Adeptus Ridiculous - BLOOD RAVENS: ITS ONLY STEALING IF YOU GET CAUGHT | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Blood Ravens are a Loyalist Space Marine Chapter of unknown genetic origin and Founding. The origins of the Blood Ravens are shrouded in mystery and are believed to be tied to a dark truth related to the Horus Heresy. This elusive Chapter has always been drawn to the pursuit of knowledge and the acquisition of ancient lore. It produces an unusually large number of Librarians among its ranks as a high proportion of neophytes develop psychic abilities soon after their implantation with the Blood Ravens' gene-seed organs.Support the show

Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamanties, his name is Bricky, and, oh, would you look at that, it's Karioth. And if you enjoy the podcast, and maybe you want to support the podcast, head over to patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to the Discord, bloopies if they happen, the HD tier gets you access to all of our wonderful posters. Currently, there is a wonderful and classy Tao male that is offering you a lovely cup of right, Keri off. Anyway, Patreon.com slash

Adeptus Ridiculous Bricky. Tell them. Tell them. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell them. Check out the Orchidate.com for all your great merchandise, including things like dice, including things like hoodies and shirts. All kinds of good stuff, yeah. So, check it out. So excited! Ooh, yeah. No, I was like stifling a cough, but it did come out a little bit like that, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I need to cover my mouth so I don't. Don't spread germs. Mask up everybody. Good stuff. Keryoth, how are you doing? I've got something here. I've got something, because we're going to do something slightly different.

Oh. I've got a task. I've got a task for D.K. Oh, no. Oh, no. Don't worry. Don't worry. Calm down, you.

It's nothing bad. It's nothing bad. We're just going to switch it up for this episode, where instead of me doing the question, quote and then you guess what the thing is. Instead, D.K., you're going to read the quote, and then guess what the thing is. I have to read it and guess it? Yeah. This is why you got to stop overreacting.

It could have been so much worse. Yeah, it could have been worse. I just have to read, which I guess I can do that. I have, I have a college degree in English. I can read. I've seen you do it. I've seen you do it. He hasn't given me the quote. What am I supposed to do? What do you? I don't know why he's done it that way. Why is it so small?

I don't know. I have no idea why it's done it that way. If I had a dollar for every time a woman said that, I wouldn't need to be on the podcast. Yeah, you would. No, you're right. I would because... Not enough women would have been around to give you a dollar. Zero times zero, still zero.

All right, all right. There's your thing. Do your thing. Okay. Faithful, enlightened, ambitious brethren. In but a single decade, a few more swipes of the pendulum, we have gathered a sacrifice to Corn that will be made legend. Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that illuminated me during my centuries upon the judgment of Carion, it was Corn's messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic corpse emperor.

I already like this a lot. And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose to which we gather the skulls of our foes. It is nothing. There's no meaning, no purpose. We murder, we kill, it is mindless savagery. This universe is mindless. In mere hours, billions will die. Innocent, guilty, strong, and weak, honest and deceitful, all of them. They will scream, they will burn, and for no purpose, but that the mighty corn may revel in their bloodshed. and united in this void of purpose, fear, and duty, we shall at long last be free. Blood for the blood, gods, skulls for the skull throne. Let the galaxy burn!

So I'm assuming this Emperor's Children? Oh, yeah, obviously this is the Third Legion. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Oh, yeah, which Legion is World Eaters, D.K.? Huh? Huh? Ligians are World Eaters. I genuinely do not know which Legion the World Eaters are.

I know like 1 through 5 at this point, I think. D.K., what is Korn's number? Oh, man, I was going to say 8 because I knew it would piss you on. I mean, the number is 8, but we both know it's not 8. I don't know, man. I don't know what the fuck is the number is. All right. Realiers is 12, right?

I like how you have to ask the question after berating me by making it sound so obvious. I was still right, though. Okay. Yeah, but... How has this gone this far off this quickly? So, I want to ask you a question. Who said that quote? And don't say D.K.

I know D.K. read it out. But who came up with that initially? Initially? I would almost guess like Karn? It's a very specific character. It's a very... Is it not Ingron? It is not Angron, no.

Okay, because I was assuming this doesn't sound like Angron. Engron isn't so happy about it, you know? Yeah, there's too many complete sentences for it to be Angron. That's true. I mean, my other option is Carn, but I... Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I can't think of a whole lot of other Roldeater named characters, at least... Well, besides the...

ones from like betrayer, but this is the trick. It's not a world eater. Really? This is someone on the verge of a coming, something terrifying. Oh, it's Trinandar Farsight.

Okay, that would be class. Can, it's a lad. Okay. It's a lad called Azariah Kairis. Does the name ring a bell?

Nope, I would have never got that. Is that the dude that they modeled that custom worldly determinator model off of from that artwork? It's not. I'm actually genuinely surprised that you, you, mind you, I don't know if you will have, go on, shy, you drop it,

you drop it. I think it's your turn to, I think it's your turn to drop it. Oh, yeah. Whoa, what is that? Holy, what the? Chapter of Loyal, a Chapter of Imperium Space Marine Blood Ravens. She's, ow, the

Wait, is this a Dawn of War I villain? This is Dawn of War II technically the third expansion. Don War II? Because we're going to talk about the Blood Ravens. It's been a long time coming. It's been a long time. Everyone's favorite kleptomaniac, definitely not horribly infiltrated by chaos every 30 seconds. Why'd you use that screenshot?

Why'd you use that picture? That's the wrong game, shy. we passed that one. That's from the counciled third game that sadly never came out and it's a real shame because it would have been nice to, it would have been nice, I think, to play a third dawn of war. But it just never got released. Right, right, right. Yeah, every time I try to, I always think it's on Steam, I try to download it. And then some like, like random, like football player from Birmingham arrives at my house and punches me in the throat.

And then I wake up and it's no longer in my mouth. Steam Library. Oh, what do you know? It's only, only two of them. Yep. It's weird. It's weird. A very good series.

So this is specifically, Blood Ravens specifically from Dawn of War II, you said, an expansion pack from it. Well, I mean, Blood Ravens were the chapter covered in Dawn of War I and Dawn of War II and all of the expansions therein. They've got a massive amount of background because of those games. And a lot of it, a lot of it is kind of messy, right? There is a caveat going into this that to fully encompass everything that happened

from Dawn of War I up to Solstorm, which is its own hilarious mess, and then all of Dawn of War II, Chaos Rising, and then Retribution, that's probably multiple videos in and of themselves because of just how much stuff happened, because of course, video game. You can't just have one, like,

you can't just have like your guys versus an enemy. You've got to pack them all in there and make it as engaging and kind of widespread as possible. So, you know, for a lot of 40K fiction, you might have, say, ultramarines facing off against a chaos war band. Or, you know, something might show up occasionally to interfere with the overall story. But with the Dawn of War series, you're fighting literally everybody all of the time. But Games Workshop made them a canon chapter.

So they started in the video games, but they're in Black Library, there's an official, there's an official chapter master Gabriel Angelos miniature, which is kind of okay. But because, I mean, the face could be better. It's the old style ones with the big bass thing and everything. I don't like the fact that he looks like the villain from Don't Breathe. It's a very specific reference there, but if you look at him, he looks a lot like him. Yeah, yeah, because the villain and don't breathe is the villain from Avatar. That's the same guy that plays him, right?

Shai, if you posted that second photo and you asked me, what is this from, I would immediately have been like Gears of War. Yeah, it's super. Super Gears of War-looking image. Yep. Yep. Also, his base does not need to be that big. Like, he doesn't need that much crag.

Like, you could just minimize that by, like, 50%. It's a lot of, a lot of Ford's world stuff. It's like that, like, Savitar as a simple. Lord Basin type thing and stuff. But, but yeah, yeah. If I'm not mistaken, I remember this because I played Don. My first introduction, I think, to like Warhammer without even knowing what it was, was playing Dawn of War I at a game shack, like a PC bong down here in Orange County.

And that was one of the things we played a ton of because it was Dawn of War first. And then we moved into Command and Conquer and stuff. But I always remembered, it was the Blood Ravens were the main chapter. And this was also at like what, 2004, 2005? It was an obsessingly long time ago, yeah. Yes. You not say how long ago that actually was, please. So games workshops' willingness to be less litigious and a little bit more like,

because this is like fall Acadia time, like the first like make your own fall Acadia. That was like early 2000s, right? So yeah. Yeah, things were different. So as someone who has never played a Dawn of War game, is there any background in that I need other than just like, yeah, blood ravens are the guys that you are trying to kill. So you fight like as the, uh, as the blood ravens for the most part, although you can switch out from that faction to other faction, so on and so forth. But the actual game side of things were going to be

relatively leaving alone, more the actual proper fleshed out, because there is a lot going on for the blood ravens. Um, they made them for a start, properly mysterious. So the Blood Ravens are interesting that they have no real history past a certain point. So they have their own librarians where they've got their own written records and so on, but those records only go back to the 37th millennium and they have absolutely nothing for before that point, even though they existed before then. So the chapter has been around for quite a while, but they just have absolutely no idea who their prime arc was. So, like, they don't know who they're descended from,

like what founding, like what sort of other chapter they came from, or who their prime mark is. They have got an insane kind of affinity for librarians as well. Oh, okay. They just have no records, like, beyond a certain point. So their past is really, really mysterious and locked away and hidden from them specifically, but there are things from other chapters and other kind of imperial records showing that they existed and fought before that

kind of cutoff point, before which they just have nothing of their own origins whatsoever. Can we just pretend that they took Corvus Corax and Sanguinius's gene seeds, smushed them together, and Blood Ravens! I mean, it's like not. Not, like, that obviously isn't probably what happened, but it's also, like, like, from a visual style, I get what you're trying to say. Yeah, it's very much those two, yeah. But they definitely, the librarian thing is definitely really crazy. Like, they had a, if I'm not going to, I remember the campaign, had like, a lot of psychers.

Yeah, they've got, they've got so many psychers. It's ridiculous. And they're one of the few chapters who will have, like, organization-wide. quite often they will have a chaptermaster and a chief librarian who are the same person. So they will have someone holding both offices at once, which is not, it's not something generally that tends to happen. They are technically a Codex compliant chapter, although they say they are, but they have more librarians, they also have librarians that share office with the chapter master, so it's just one person doing both jobs. In terms of like, we'll get into kind of like where they

maybe came from because that's that's a really fun thing for the for the blood ravens given there's so much mystery behind it but yeah they've just got a they've got a huge chunk of missing history including their own founding where they came from but there's all these little things about them that make them quite different to most other like codex compliant chapters that seems like a bad idea being like chapter master and head of the librarians because if he dies you lose two really important people. Yeah, but then he's so cool and so powerful he never dies, except when he does. Oh, well, it's funny.

You should mention that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be kind of crazy. Yeah, it'd suck a lot, wouldn't it? Yeah. So they don't have a huge amount of their own history in terms of their own founding and stuff, but they do have legends that they've kind of either written down or have been retold, and one of which is about a... an extremely, like, powerful space marine that they called the Great Father,

which is a guy called Azariah Vidya. They've got two Azariahs who are significant, which is not at all confusing. Also, Azariah Vidia, it is literally spelt like that. So, you know, make of that what you will. I'm going to go watch a Vigia. It's so clearly just taking the piss out of video games. It just is, and I refuse to believe anything else. Because he's in a fidget game, you know.

It's a fidget game this dawn of war. There's no way that isn't what they were thinking. This also kind of ties into another idea about their origin, but before we get to that, I'm going to preface it by saying it's a little bit of a stretch right now, and then when I repeat that later, you can't pull me up in it because I said it early. Oh, no, we'll still pull it up. Don't worry. I don't know why I tried to. No, he will. I will be respectful like I normally am.

Okay. And not sarcastic like he is. Okay. See? Hey. There it is. That's not fair. You were being a jerk.

You deserve that. All right. So what do you got? So, this first, like, almost like mythical, legendary figure that they have, Asariah Vidia, funnily enough, a librarian. The chapter is having some slight issues, loads of chaos all over the place, and they unfortunately did not do very well against chaos in this particular conflict. It doesn't really say when it was necessarily,

it's part of early campaigns in the Gothic sector, but the Blood Ravens were getting absolutely slapped around by chaos. Chaos cults were all over the place, way more organised than the Blood Ravens gave them credit for and in a series of bad ambushes they managed to lose their chapter master and a lot of the first company they also lost the Master of Sanctity

which is like the head chaplain for the chapter so in like one ambush they were dealt a significant blow and the legend kind of says that they were quite a young chapter at the time but luckily they had Azariah Vidya, who as a potent psycher, decided to just knuckle down and learn all of the enemy's movements and habits

in as close detail as possible and then go after them in a big way. Did like proper divinations, studied them, decided that he knew how to defeat this chaos cult, and the Blood Ravens went after them in what looked like a disorganized mess, but ended up being incredibly organized and wiped them out. Like absolutely ruined the enemy to the point where they couldn't even retreat because the Blood Ravens were appearing where they were retreating and essentially this one guy just turned this whole conflict around,

at which point he becomes both the Chapter Master and Chief Librarian. Well, good for him. That sounds pretty, pretty poggers, sure. It kind of looks like that's the reason for them deciding to kind of allow that, that kind of mantle to be held by the same person. It's like that's the basis in a way for their, for their acceptance of just one space marine having control of the chapter and also being the chief librarian at the same time, which other space marine chapters, not a big fan of. but he got the job done in a big way, so kind of let it go. Interesting, they just watched the previous Chapter Master get killed, and they were like, you know what, let's put more on his shoulders. It's kind of weird.

They literally just saw that the Chapter Master is very mortal and very beatable, and it's like, you know what, let's give him more. Let's put more responsibility on his shoulders. and I find the whole thing a little weird. You must remember how much of 40K is resolved by the phrase, nah, I'd win. It's actually like,

it's actually kind of insane to the extent of how many of people would just be like, no, I'm different. Like, it wouldn't happen to me. I mean, hell, the Black Templars don't even have a chapter master.

They have the High Marshal. Well, that's the Black Templar are a little, are a little kooky though. Well, we're talking about quote-unquote Codex Compliant chapters. True, true, true, true. You know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, crusade. Yeah.

Wink, wink, nudge, crusade. I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. So, Mr. Vidia didn't just take control the chapter. Mr. Vidia. Mr. Vidia. It didn't just do a good job.

He also, he also wrote, a book called the Apocrypha of the Unfounding, which suggests that the Blood Ravens are a chapter that's dear to the soul of the emperor himself and that their history was hidden by agents of the throne, trying to keep them secret from basically everyone else, but not the Blood Ravens themselves, because the Blood Ravens themselves are obviously special, which kind of goes a long way to explaining how some of their, how some of their, like, their approach to fighting and stuff goes,

they definitely hold the emperor like above everything else, which when you've got no primark, it just kind of makes sense to elevate the emperor, but there's also this, I think probably this feeling of, we must be special because no one knows who we are

and we don't even know who we are kind of thing. I mean, they have a literal part of the chapter called the Secret Masters. So clearly, there's a little bit of like there's a little bit of like secrecy and like

yeah yeah very like insular which does also sound yeah quite dark angel esk yeah that also their motto is knowledge is power guard it well

so yeah that's it's pretty inner circle very like yeah paranoid so the admec would love them Well Because they're all about guarding intellect and knowledge, right?

I mean, I guess that, I mean, that part sure, but no, they're psychers, so they don't like them very much. Yeah, they're absolutely full of scientists. That's true. Yeah, okay, never mind. Wizards. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true. Just a big chapter full of wizards. Also, they have a habit of just hoarding random technology, which is, you know, probably, I mean, specifically, I say random technology.

A lot of it's like weapons and armour and stuff, which we will get to. We won't get through the whole list because they came from a video game. So obviously when the developers were making said game, they were like, you know what, we're going to throw in some cheeky references. We're going to throw in some funny Easter eggs. People who love 40K will look at this list of items as they picked them up and go, oh, that's cool. I recognise that.

But then Games Workshop made them canon, which makes their hoarding and some of the items that they have just absolutely insane. and completely nonsensical. But we'll save that, we'll save that for a bit later because there's some, there's some absolutely, there's some absolutely mad stuff that they apparently just have in their armory. In terms of like how, we've got the emperor's hands.

What? You're not a hundred percent off. No, no, no. Okay, okay. All right, let's just, let's just keep going. And when we get there, we get there, all right? Yeah. Jesus. It's so good. So yeah, the chapter, the way it's organized is mostly, mostly kind of codex compliant, but there are some fairly big changes in terms of how big their, like,

librarians is, the fact that the chapter master and the chief librarian can be the same person. Pretty much all company commanders, by the look of it, they take on a librarian as an advisor to just have that number of librarians to start with is kind of mad. And if a force commander is like, if a company commander dies in battle and their librarian survives, the librarian just becomes the company commander. So there's a huge amount of trust placed in their psychas, like way above and beyond most of the chapters, which in itself is a little bit, little bit thousand sons.

Just a little bit. Just a teeny, tiny bit. We do like a good bit of dusty boys here. One of us does. You don't like the Thousand Suns at all? They're fine. The more you learn about Warhammer, the more you realize every Legion has its ups.

Yeah, every Legion has its pluses and things to like, yeah, yeah. So we do like a bit of Thousand Suns here. We do like a bit of Thousand Suns. I don't, I mean, yeah. Well, isn't... I'm sure you'll get there, Curagoth, but I could have sworn

that, like, Magnus was one of the theorized original prime marks for these folks. Oh, yeah, there's a whole... We've got a whole section for that.

Yeah, yeah. I know I'm jumping the gun a little bit, so yeah, we'll get there when we get there. That makes sense with how many psychers they have, yeah, fair enough. There's quite a bit has been put into text

about that over, over the course of the Blood Ravens kind of being made canon and stuff, so... But, yeah, they... Mostly kind of kind of kind of compliant, but they do favour librarians a lot, and they have a lot of them. They're also a fleet-based chapter. They don't have a home world anymore. Well, they technically do have a home world, but unfortunately

it's an ice planet that's kind of broken into pieces, and it's also home to, or at least has been, like, the prison of a full-on, great, unclean one. So that's a problem. That's not great. That's not great. The unclean one is. Yeah, they had to go into being a fleet-based chapter because their world Aurelia ended up getting invaded by a great unclean one called Ulcair, who they managed to seal into the planet, which was quite impressive.

They managed it. They sealed him. The aforementioned Azariah Chiris sealed him into the planet, and then it was sucked into the warp and was not seen again for quite some time. Chiris kind of went with it, sort of. I didn't realize great unclean ones were that big of a deal that you had to seal it in the planet and like,

oh no, we can't go back to the planet. There's a great unclean one there, really? I definitely think that like in the fiction and also definitely the tabletop, we've undersold the importance of these things because when you think about it, the great unclean one is like the next step before like Nurgel himself.

You know, like he's the greater demon of Zich. Or not Zinc, sorry, Nergel or like the great deal. Yeah, yeah. Like the named one is like Rodagus. But like I don't believe there's any in between between like a great unclean one and Poppy.

Like it's his number one. His number one guy. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, yeah, every time I've seen a great unclean one, it just kind of felt like they were maybe, I always kind of thought they were maybe a little less than like, not the demon princes are bad, but it felt like it was maybe a couple steps removed from that. I did not realize great uncleans were like, yeah, it's great unclean one.

Then Nergel. Okay. So definitely, if there's a great unclean one on your planet, it is a huge problem. I guess like a demon primark like Mortarian might be like toe to toe with him. Still, if you're on the same level as a primark, that's an issue. Yeah, like a great uncle like a great unclean like Rodagus is to like what Gilliman is to like Biggie. You know, they're like at that point. So yeah, I mean, I'm pretty positive.

Very often demon, greater demons have just taken over planets. Like just they arrive through whatever means. they bring all their minions with them and they just like take the whole goddamn place over. Okay, knowing that now, it's like, okay, this makes more sense because, yeah, I, in my head, I definitely undersold the great unclean ones. I mean, to be fair, it's one of those things where, like, the tabletop is, is like a different ecosystem to the law, if that makes sense. So, like, you see them, you see them, like, constantly.

If someone's running some sort of demon army, the chances are there's going to be a greater a demon in there. And that makes it look like they're sort of, you know, you can find them all over the place. They're kind of strong, but they're not too bad. Whereas in the story, it's like one of these shows up and that is a job for, you know, a huge number of Imperials to sort out or you just nuke the planet because there's no way of dealing with it. Like, yeah, it's, it's funny when you were like, how many points, like a grand clean one's point cost is the same as like, one Rogel Dorn tank, and it's cheaper than like a land raider redeemer. Because, because it's the tabletop and you have to balance it to make it fun as a

table top thing. But, but yeah, also, Grand Clee ones are a bit underpowered, I think. So they probably should be higher in points. But, but, but yeah, they're, they're definitely, they're big deals. But yeah, you can also, you can also run the lion who is like a hundred points cheaper than Shalaxie Hellbane, the keeper of secrets. Like, it's just, you know, it's all, it's all tabletop stuff. Yeah. Okay. As long as he's unclean and not clean. Yeah. Yeah, as long as he's unclean.

Yeah, so he shows up on their home planet. They have to do something about it, and that involved sealing him away into the core of it, and then it getting shunted into the warp, which at that point, you've got no choice. You've got to take to space and become a fleet-based chapter, so they operate out of their battle barge, which has got one of the coolest names,

the Omnis Arcarnum, which is, again, Again, very thousand sons, to be honest. They also, one of the ships that shows up repeatedly in the Dawn of War series is the Litany of Fury, which is again a great ship name. Yeah. GW is really good with their naming schemes. I got to give them that. It's quality. They have some of the most ridiculous, but also fun names of stuff, the Blood Ravens.

I think also because the devs were allowed to just go a little bit wild and just kind of just go, rule of cool above everything else. So, yeah, within the actual chapter itself, they've got to keep, you know, the whole massive number of librarians under control, so to speak. They have the Ordo Psychana, which is the secret order of Saikana, and it is just the most powerful librarians in the chapter that go off and they take servitors with them, and they hunt Archaeotech, relics, and just lost knowledge. Blood Ravens very, very big on retrieving lost knowledge

To the point that they have something of a, like, it's not necessarily a gene seed flaw, which we'll get onto in a moment, but they definitely, they want to know stuff and they want to know it real bad. So they've got the Ordo Psychana who go off to find all this archaeotech and relics of the chapter and just lost knowledge in general.

They have the secret masters, who are just elite veteran warriors, and they kind of like operate the chapter alongside the chapter master and they have a very like inner circle thing of they know some of the secrets of the chapter and they're not allowed to tell people who aren't part of the secret masters which again got that kind of dark angels influence going on they have also a really odd thing where they have the fifth company is called the fated

and they have to wear like badges of penitents and shame and stuff on their armour but they won't tell anyone why. But it's kind of suggested that it might be

due to an incident from the 38th millennium where there was a slight issue of a little bit of heresy just a little bit. a little bit of heresy. A company librarian went a little bit chaotic and may have turned the fifth company with him. Just a bit. Just a teeny bit. If this is the dark angels, they would be locked in a dark room and never seen again. Never again. Let me rephrase that. The dark angels

would waste about 4,000 years hunting them all down and people who might be them. And then then locking them in a room. Yeah. So they kind of sort of wear like badges of shame and honor, but nobody knows why, maybe heresy, maybe not. We're never telling.

Pretty much. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We're going to, like the current members of the fifth company still do it, even though they won't be the same ones who did turn traitor if that happened.

But the fifth company, they're the ones who, uh, who had the shame. And so they continue to display that, but won't tell anyone why that is. which, I mean, again, it's quite a bit of dark angels. You mentioned being locked up in a tower, funnily enough,

they do have some issues when it comes to having so many librarians, because you've got to do, like, trials to become a librarian, and you can't just show up day one and be like, look at my psychic powers, let's go. Sure. You kind of have to get through trials to do that, and if you don't pass the trials, might go insane, might end up dying, but the ones who fail the test but get really, really messed up by it,

end up on the Omnis Archonum, the Battle Barge, in a very, very isolated spot known as the Tower, where they're locked up and studied by the Chapters Librarians so that the Chapters Librarians can, you know, get a better understanding as to what has made the, what made Asper, fail to join their ranks. And it's just full of people screaming and shouting and reliving, like, awful terrors and no one talks about what happens there.

It's bad. Is that sort of a, also, like, sort of a blood angels thing when someone gets, like, completely turned? Don't they just, like, stick them in a tower until they, like, and they study them until they're like, okay, now we're going to throw you into the middle of a fight or something? He's basically death company The most selective memory, I swear But like, yeah, that's right

Let's go It's not selective It's just some stuff sticks Isn't that what selective means? Doesn't selective mean you actively choose? Like, oh yes, I am going to remember this And forget everything else This is just...

Yeah, I think selective is like... Yeah, because it's in the name You select to remember you. It's like when someone says you're selected here I guess Yeah, it's my memory like weird stuff sticks to the wall You throw weird stuff at me

And it's like, why did that stick? I don't know Swiss cheese memory is a great description That's what I've got I've got Swiss cheese memory Okay, that one works, yes Swiss cheese memory I go with that, yep, that's a little better But um I wish I had a selective memory

They just, they just got their own Arkham basically Hell yeah Mm-hmm They got their own Arnhuis Yeah sure The more you read about them The more it's like It feels like someone's cherry-picked cool stuff

from everywhere else, doesn't it? Yeah, it really does. Everything so far is like, this sounds vaguely like stuff that you already have, and you're just making an amalgamation of cool stuff that already exists in the 40K universe.

They're just thieves on so many levels. It's unreal. That's what it is. It feels like basically any and every fan chapter I've ever read. It's just like, let's say the cool parts of X, Y, and Z and then just slam them together.

I'm a big fan of the Ravengard and the Blood Angels. I'm going to make it. make the blood ravens and there's going to be a blood drop in the middle of the raven. And I also really like the thousand sons so they're all going to be crazy cool psychers. Oh man, still really love the blood angels. Let's give them a weird thing where they lock all the failed ones in a town. Like, it does.

It really sounds like a fan faction. They're also more secretive than the Grey Knights and have never lost a battle before. Yeah. Yeah. Every time. Every single time. This sounds like someone's, look, I found the Second Legion type of thing. Well, that's where, to be fair, that's where the Blood Ravens do veer heavily away from the fan chapters,

because they've definitely lost a battle before. Yeah, they have some rough, they've had some rough times. They've had some really rough times. So, as shot is mentioned, there is, there is a system, which is Carava. I think I'm pronouncing that right. I could be totally wrong. It's 40K, nobody cares. That's true.

To try and go into literally everything that happened would take, I think, forever. But this is a situation where literally every single thing that could show up in this system did. So I think in like order of it, I think I've got the order the wrong way around actually. But effectively, there are issues with orcs. Okay, that's not great. Oh, the tower's decided to try and annex this moon. Okay, that's not great either. Oh, we're trying to help.

But the Imperial Guard have been given conflicting orders to the Blood Ravens. What are the Blood Ravens going to do? They're going to fight the Imperial Guard as well. Oh, what's this? Dark Eldar have shown up and are raiding places. Oh, they're actually after some Eldar that are also here. Oh, would you look at that? Would you look at that?

Chaos has arrived. Brilliant. Oh, and just to finish it off, let's have the Sisters of Battle show up as well. That, effectively, a huge, convergence. Was tyrannids as well? I can't remember of tyrannists were there too.

Yes, yeah, they were. Yeah, they were. Yeah. I think they were in there as well. I assume this happened because, so like we said, Blood Ravens pretty much a Viggaim chapter,

and I would assume the reason everything is showing up is because, well, we want to feature everything in Vigya game and show off all of the cool factions and we want you to fight all the cool factions.

Pretty much. Yeah. I think it's it's pretty much a case of what would be oh yeah, of course the necrons. What am I talking about? I mean, the necrons have been there for ages. They were there in Dark Crusade as well. One of them was a tomb world accidentally, of course. I love the concept that you can have like this multi-layered in-game style of battle and then just randomly a neck like you have the camera pan through the earth down like 14 layers and then they wake up like, the hell they doing up there. And then they all just start rising from the ground. That was it, sorry, the tyrannids were like the ones that didn't show up. You just had everything else, pretty much. But yeah, funnily enough, kind of a mess. Kind of a mess, a lot happened. Things did not go well, though, with the Blood Ravens,

because at the end of that campaign, that huge, gigantic war, where, yeah, a thousand Bainblades went missing, not really sure how that happened they were just shipped off somewhere don't know where but they were which made things very difficult There's a lot of missing blame blades Bain blades yeah

Curse you Blaineblade Curse you Blaineblade That's the inventor of the Bainblade I think that's probably The same Arcan Land thing Bain the Dred The dragon from Eldon Ring was like But before he became a dragon

He was like you know what man I really just like engineering. You got to, you got us to agree in that. Anyway, you're right, I forgot. Are bainblades?

Bainblades are replaceable, right? You could still make, you could still make new bainblades, right? Because some things you can't. Like, isn't Terminator armor like irreplaceable? Yeah, I think Terminator armor is irreplaceable.

Bainblades, if I remember correctly, in the, in the game, you were like making new bainblades as you were going. Okay. So, I mean, if then technically not, the devs didn't know that, because I'm pretty sure you can manufacture Bainblade.

And you were manufacturing them as a result of losing so many, just so many super heavy tanks just gone. It was always wild. I don't mean to side real this, but you can't make new Terminator plate? I was actually about to say that. Yeah. So, like, it's kind of forgotten sometimes that because of, you know, admex shenanigans and all that stuff, there's a lot of old. stuff that they don't have the understanding to make anymore.

And I believe Terminator armor for Marines is one of them. Wow. So losing Terminators is a huge problem. Well, I guess that's true because they wanted to, wasn't it in the Knight Lord's book or one of them where they were just like, oh shoot, we have to go retrieve the corpses, we cannot lose the Terminator armor, we cannot make more of this. Oh God, get their corpses, at least get the armor, right?

I think they were trying to get the jeans seat. They wore the armor near the end of the end of the book. I think that was more just the requirement. I think it's more that in the Night Lord books, they have literally nothing because they're poor as shit as dirt. Yeah, true. And so they were just like, because we need something. Our main character has a salamander's chest piece.

He just scratched out. So it makes sense. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. But, yeah, no, I mean, I think, yeah, that's right. Shai makes the bigger point. It's not like they lost a thousand Bainblades, like, in the heat of battle.

They just, like, lost them. Like, they misplaced their keys. Oh, it wasn't like the battle was so fierce that, like, a thousand Bainblades were destroyed. It was just... Oh, yeah, no. It's like an administration thing. FedEx delivered them to the warp.

Yeah, they got ships off world somewhere. Oh, that's so much worse! Yeah, they didn't even do anything. And given that, given that, the Blood Ravens, their losses for that campaign, their losses... Damn you, administratum. They lost Captain Indrik Boreal and five companies of blood ravens.

Oh, that's all right. So fully half the chapter died in that campaign. Oh, all right. Well, I mean, that anyone survived this campaign of fighting literally everyone. It's kind of wild. Yeah, an orcs won. Canonically, Orcs won. I was going to say, with how excited Shy got in the Discord,

it was like, it has to be the Orks, doesn't it? Yeah, it was kind of an up-in-the-air thing, of like, depending on how you played and stuff, and there was a couple of different options of technically who won that kind of conflict. But then in the third one, which, you know, we only know about because we saw scripts and we definitely didn't play it because it can't have come out

because it wouldn't be good. It's specifically mentioned that the chief library hourian Jonah Orion talks about what the the the the the awkwards did to his chapter, which suggests that the orcs absolutely wrecked the blood ravens to the tune of half the chapter's gone. Ouch, that's the, that's the tough one to recover from. It's a good day for the oaks, though, that. Oh, yeah, yeah, plenty of, that's a good script.

Sure. And plenty of stuff to retrofit and, yeah. Not a good day for Blood Ravens though. Really bad. Really bad for them. They never took half and half in their coffee again. Well, the thing is, it gets worse. How does it get worse?

They never recovered their strength. They didn't have time. So they've got no home world. They lost half the chapter. Then, as soon as that was done, pretty much, they were sort of trawling the Arradiaheus sector. So, Arradi, the planet was gone, but the sect is still around.

And they were desperate to recruit new neophytes. And then, unfortunately, a bunch of orcs showed up on one of their recruiting planets. So, obviously, they go down to the planet of Calderas to deal with the orcs. And then find that there's more orcs. The orcs are just multiplying. There's a bunch of orcs. That's what they do. They finally destroy the...

Orkmec and his forces, but then they get attacked by tyranids, because the tyranids are here too now as well. Again, you can see where this is going, probably. It sounds like the Blood Ravens are about to get full-fledged wiped off the face of the earth. They're just getting wiped out. Half of them are gone. Now here's how the other half get got. It's not fully that severe, but it's also not great. They've got a captain called Davian Thule, who's a legend.

he unfortunately gets absolutely wrecked by a tyranid warrior so he's on the verge of death which means that he gets turned into a dreadnought which is cool but also not helpful to lose a captain that early in the conflict they find that not only they fighting

tyrannids having had to deal with an orc threat already but the Eldar show up as well because of course they do because the Eldar have got a plan The Eldar do not want their craft world to be eaten by a splinter of a tyranid High Fleet, so they just directed the hive fleet to effectively Blood Raven Space, and we're going to use it as like bait to get the tyranids to eat all of that

instead of going after their Craft World. So Farsier Idronel of Craftworld Ulthway was being a little bit cheeky and trying to get a whole lot of humans killed to save his craft world. I mean, that's just the Eldar in general, if I'm being honestly. I mean, the humans would do the same. 100%. Honestly, the humans wouldn't do it to save themselves. The humans would do it for the shits and giggles. The humans would do it just to kill some Zenos.

Yeah, they'll just do it to be like, well, if I'm going out, you're going out with. me kind of stuff. Yeah. But yeah, that's, that sounds pretty Eldaris. Like, oh, send them towards the Imperials. Don't not let them touch the craft world.

Yeah, well, they're too, yeah, I mean, it would save the craft world because they're too busy eating blood ravens. Yep, yep.

It almost worked. It would have worked if it wasn't for those pesky blood ravens because the And they're meddling dog! Well, they had it, they had the,

the great idea to take some like material of the tyranids and use it to craft a genetic poison that they chucked into the hive fleet's bioships so that that way the tyranid like the splinter fleet would end up just withering away and dying which did kind of work but the strike team like the character that you play and and your lads you are in the middle of a vast swarm of tyranids and whilst the day might have been technically kind of saved, there's no way out. You've had it, you're about to get eaten, and there's nothing you can do. But it's okay, because we have a nice sudden intervention where Captain Gabriel Angelos,

who ends up being like a major character of the next couple of games, just shows up with a bunch of, like, a full company of Blood Ravens, and manage to save your lads. The Tyrion is defeated. The Blood Ravens are victorious, but there's been a significant issue because once again, their recruiting world has been mangled

quite significantly by multiple different threats, and it's not the best. It's not the best. They're not fully wiped out, but they have had yet another setback in trying to rebuild the chapter from half strength back up to something a bit more, like, robust. I was going to say, their recruiting world is basically unusable now, right?

Like, you don't really recover from the tyrannids ate most of it. And, right? So they just need to find a new recruiting world. The main issue was that the tyrannid, like, the splinter, was actually heading for the entire subsector. So it wasn't even the one world that would have gone. It would have been all of them. Is this where they detonate the emperor-class cruiser, or is that something else? That, I think, is...

That's earlier in the series, I believe. Okay, because I can't remember which one it is. No, wait, no, is that... Yeah, that's... That's first tyrannic war. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Because I remember... I remember that vividly from one of the earlier Emperor Text to Speech videos

on the topic of things that are not recoverable, like Terminator. armor that you just can't make again. Yeah, particularly with that one. But I try to remember because, like, you know, Tyrannids never get affected by bio-weapons for very long. Sure. In fact, in fact, adaptable. Yeah, they die a few times to it.

And the hive mind's like, oh, all right, adjust the genome, adjust the genome, adjust the genome, adjust the genome. All right, we're chill now. You know, but this was, I think this is one of those few occasions where it didn't much matter. Also, it was 20 years ago. that's the that's the big one is 20 years ago yeah I got the same argument I got in such a such an annoying argument with my chat when I was playing halo and I was like why the hell did ex person do this and this like as I was replaying the game and this doesn't make any sense

and they're like well brickie it's in the it's in the it's in the books and I'm like when did the books come out and like after the game like explain it explained it afterwards yeah I'm like okay that okay that just say they didn't think about it and they fixed it later. That's fine. There's no shame. I play Warhammer. It happens all the time. So I was just short. I think I remember. How far stories after the fact. Isn't, isn't like parts of the first don't of war game when you're flying the Blood Angels. Some of it's like, not like choose your own adventure, but like some of the missions are depending on your choices. Because I remember vividly, or maybe it's just a particular

mission, but I remember vividly, like, the Imperial Guard versus the Blood Ravens was this, like, really kind of hype moment, um, where like, like, like, like, like, hey, the Blood Raven, like, you know, my, my, uh, general is telling me I need to do this and this, um, so you don't have authority here, Blood Ravens. The Blood Ravens are like, I'm going to take an order from you, and then you fight. There's, to be fair, there's quite a bit of that. The Blood Ravens have got, like, a very distinct, like, this is how we do things. And you can either agree or we will also fight you. Like, in the first dawn of war series, that's how they kind of came to

blows with the Imperial Guard. I think it's just a case of, we were given orders, you're contradicting those orders, we don't care, we don't care what you say. Wow, that's kind of crazy that the Guard would talk back to Space Marines. Let's the Guard. Because, like, space Marines are like

the heralded heroes that you don't see unless everything has like completely gone tits up, right? So I'm kind of surprised that the guard are willing to be like, oh, well, or say, I can't follow you, Mr. Space Marine God. It's kind of crushing that I don't remember his name right now,

but there's a particular Imperial Guard, like General or Colonel or something, that carries around two Lightning Clause, and he's, like, the biggest Chad ever. I've got his name somewhere. And he carries around Lightning Clause? Oh, yeah. Imperial Guard.

I'm time talking it in. He's an absolute legend. Okay, where is it? Where is it? Oh, I'm sorry I've thrown off this episode so much. No, no, it's fine. I'm trying to remember the name of the guy because the general dude was like, is like super, super cool.

Is it Stubbs? Is it Stubbs? Is it? I think it is Vance Stubbs. I think so, yeah. Yeah, that's why I'm, yes. Yeah, because he's like, he's not the, he was very much like a, Oh yes, with do.

Yeah, this Van Stubbs, this dude. Whoa. He was the coolest goddamn motherfucker in all of Don of War I. I loved him. I mean, his armor is so cool. What? You're right, he does have like power claws. Those are, that's so sick.

Yeah, this guy, this guy was a badass. He was the one who was like, yeah, I got my own orders, uh, captain of the blooder angels. I respect the emperor. finest but stand down immediately or I'll wipe off your entire forces. Okay. Just like, okay. What a guy.

I can see that guy doing that. Okay. Him? Sure. All right. It all makes sense now. Holy cheese. Yeah, Vance Stubbs was one of my favorite parts of that game.

Probably the reason why I got so big into Imperial Guard. Fair enough. That is, that is fair and valid king. Holy shit. Yeah. With the storm bolter built into the back of it. as well. Yeah, right.

And he's got a plasma gun right there. Yeah. He's so loaded. He's absolutely cated out. Yeah, he, he was, he was a dope guy. I think he's, I think he's a famous voice actor too. I feel like it's like,

you got, you gotta spend budget to make this guy sound like an absolute badass, right? You gotta, you gotta hire someone proper to be this giga-chat, right? I feel as if, maybe,

but I'm pretty positive. It's like a Matt Mercer, someone like genuinely pretty popular who V8 him, but, uh, yeah, most of Soul Storm has really bad voice acting, except for Van Stubbs. He's like,

you're gonna have someone. I don't know, but it's pretty good. I mean, the original series is also responsible for the metal boxes quote, which is an absolute, absolute classic.

God, the metal boxes stuff was always, oh, it's, Scott McNeil, yeah. His campaign coached Scott McNeil and Brian Dobson. That's what it was. The name sounds familiar, Scott McDeal.

Anyway, Van Stubbs, badass. Famous voice actor, Van Stubbs, badass says, hey, space, Marines, no, and then that's why you fight the Imperial Guard. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, so, Blood Ravens have dealt with the issue in a radio. Things are going well. Well, the issue dealt with them, but sure. Things are going well. unfortunately there is a second campaign in Oralya

because they're minding their own business when the home planet, their home planet comes back, the ice world of Arabia returns to the Aradia which is not ideal because as we know there is a greater demon of Nurgle, there is a full great unclean one imprisoned in that world pretty much like below the fortress monastery that they used to have, which was called Keep Selenon.

And he was imprisoned in there by Azariah Kyrrhus, who you'll remember the initial quote. He made that quote. He said that in a broadcast to the Blood Ravens, which... Oh, that's not good. Nice bit of foreshadowing there for what's going to happen later. It came back into real space, absolutely covered.

in chaos. Black Legion were there. It was basically brought back by the Black Legion effectively, and you had such a good name, Arragast the Pillager, who is a chaos lord. Gee, I wonder what his pastimes involved. Yeah. And you also had Elephus the Inheritor, who was part of the previous games, and was part of the word bearers, and you killed him, but the chaos brought him back. Because They brought him back and made him Black Legion, because of course, don't think about it too hard. I think it was basically just people liked this guy. We should bring him back for stuff, and then they did. I mean, all you have to say is, like, yes, it's the warp.

Yeah. It's 40K. Oh, yeah, some warp stuff happened and, oh, he's back. Okay. The random switch over to Black Legion is, it felt weird at the time, but then, I suppose, in the time since, there's been enough, lads, you know, changing. I was going to say changing gang over the years, but that's not the best way to describe that. So their whole planet shows up again, having been lost for 500 odd years or something, which, surprising, also not ideal,

because it shows up alongside more Eldar and some orcs, because of course, this series, you've got to have Eldar, you've got to have orcs. Those are the rules. I don't make the rules, but they do need to be in every single game no matter what. Wait, so the planet comes back from the warp, covered in chaos, great unclean one, presumably not in prison anymore, and Eldar and Orks also just happen to be showing up? Yeah.

Just like... Yeah, they're there too. That's largely how the campaigns felt, to be honest. There was a lot of, and also this. There's no rhyme or reason. It's just like, oh yeah, they're just floating around too. Like, yeah, I mean, to be fair, the orcs don't really go anywhere, do they? You can try and wipe them out completely, but as long as they leave a few spores behind,

you're going to end up with like feral orcs and stuff. Yeah, fungus and longus. So the elder at this point, I'm fairly convinced. Shut the fuck up, DK. Sorry. What? Sorry. That was so visceral.

I was typing. I was typing, right? But I had my mic muted, so you wouldn't hear the typing. I heard it. Stop typing, unmuted my mic, so I could say that. And I'm going to remuner. my mic and let Kiroeth continue. That was so miserable.

Oh my God. Come on, Carrie-Och. Even I felt affected by that. That was... I felt that in my chest. It has a blast radius. Yeah. Take D3 mortal wounds.

Emotional damage. All right, go ahead, Kiriath. So, yeah, so, I mean, to be fair, it is... It does seem like they're just messing with them, but there is an old craft world that crashed onto one of

the planets that the Blood Ravens are on. So it's a case of like, they do have reasons to be there. It's just the kind of repetitive nature of it. Like, even as I was playing these games, I was like, wow, they absolutely love being around here, don't they? This is

doesn't matter where the Blood Ravens go, there's got to be held on. So there's this whole, like, just a big coalescence of awful. The planet it comes back, it's covered in chaos, the Eldara are back, the orcs are being agitated by guard on a world called Meridian, and those guard are traitors. So that's not ideal either. So you've got a bit of traitor action going on as well. The Blood Ravens try and deal with this absolute mess, and as they try and deal with this mess, there is a spacehulk called the

Judgment of Carion that shows up. Lovely, lovely. They go aboard. It's such a good little cutscene. It's great. So they board the judgment of carrion, and they find bodies of Blood Ravens from the Fifth Company, which, as we know, is the fated company that's got all the things of shame all over their armour.

And they know that this was led by a guy called Apothecary Gallen. They try and keep the subsector clean. They try and just keep things under control whilst also trying to work out why there was a Space Hulk with an apothecary and members of the fifth company, like bodies from the fifth company, on it. And things are kind of bad, but they get worse. Because at this point, a guy shows up called Apollo Diomedes.

And he is the captain. To take every fiber of my being not to do it. Diomedes? Like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. Like, Joe Mama. Don't do it, don't do it, DK. You're going to ruin the podcast. Go on, Kiry up.

Okay. I'm talking before I lose it. He's the captain of the Blood Ravens Honor Guard. He's the right-hand man of the now chapter master and chief librarian Azariah Kairus, who came back, swiftly ascended the ranks, and Apollo is like the right-hand. man. He's there to enforce the will of the chapter master by telling the Blood Ravens forces already in the subsector to stand down, stop engaging the Black Legion, and basically

get out of there. Which Captain Gabriel Angelos and your character just completely ignore. It's like, no, we're not going to leave chaos to just overrun all these worlds. What is your problem. It's kind of a hard order to follow. Yeah, it's not, it doesn't seem like, you know, in the Blood Raven's best interests or in the interest of these worlds that are about to be completely consumed by chaos. So they go and do a little bit of investigating and work out that the source of the chaos corruption in the system is coming from chapter master Chiris himself because all those

years ago when Aradia was, when Alcair, the great unclean one, was sealed in Aradia, it was Chyrus who did it and Chiris got corrupted in the process Makes sense actually Yeah That's unfortunate Also, Bricky, can you remind me how So all the Pips on his head

Or how long he's been serving How long is each one of those One hundred years Oh each one is a hundred So he's been in service for 400 years, huh? He, which is like not the longest It's not particularly like mega long? It's long.

But it's not like that long. For a space marine. Isn't Dante like 5,000 years? I mean, Dante's a special case. Don't get me wrong. Dante's a special case. So if Dante ever took off his mask, it would just be pips all over his face. That is actually a, I mean, that's a big thing that we've chatted about, I think, a little bit, is that Dante is like, no, I talked to, I talked to Poor Hammer about this.

I was like, it was either you guys or someone. Dante doesn't remove his mask because. Yeah, ever. Yeah, he looks old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought he just wore it because, I thought he wore it just because, well, I, I love sanguineous and I love my chapter. And of course, I'm never going to take it off because that is my honor as the. I mean, no, he doesn't take his mascot because he looks so darn old and he's like a major important figurehead for all the blood angels that he needs to.

He has imposter syndrome and he's a keep of appearances. Yeah. Yeah, he needs to keep appearances and like. kind of stuff. I thought he just always kept it on or welded it on because well, of course, I want to keep the visage of our gene father. It's because he looks like a full-on, like,

a bleached raisin underneath. Yeah, no, he's got... I didn't realize it was just because... I didn't realize it was just because he was like, God, I look so old, this isn't going to do. Mask. It's also why there's no mirrors in his chambers. Just doesn't want to deal with it. We'll get to that when we do...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure. Sorry. So, yeah. So effectively, it turns out that Chiris is just emanating chaos. He's turning certain areas of the blood ravens themselves. It's bad. It's real bad. The final battle of that kind of campaign meant that Elephus dies again. Having seized control of the Black Legion from Aragast, who he betrayed, but then he dies anyway, which is excellent. And they are. are able to reseal Ulcair in the, like, the keep of Selenon on Aurelia, at which point Chiris hasn't got what he wanted, so he declares Gabriel Angelos a renegade and a traitor. So Gabriel Angelos, who's been doing all this work and has been trying to try and, like, unroot the corruption and fight back against it, he gets declared a traitor by the guy who is the cause of all the corruption in the first place.

And there is a weird thing with it where the corruption mechanic that appeared in Chaos Rising meant that one of your squad, depending on how corrupted your squad members were, would turn out to be a traitor as well. Now, the problem with this is that if you don't have anyone who's corrupted, there is a tech marine called Martellus and he turns out to be the traitor. He's the guy. He ditches you and he goes to join the Black Legion.

So Martellus, 100% traitor depending on whether your other guys are corrupted or not. If everyone's pure, then it's just him by default, right? Okay. This is only a problem when you get to the next expansion for Dawn of War II, which is Retribution, where Martellus is part of your squad

the whole time and was not traitor at all. I mean, it's a multiple choice thing. It's like whoever's more corrupted gets hit with the traitor stick effectively, but they defaulted it to Martellus if no one was. But then for whatever reason, I think they just thought, well, we already have a Tech Marine character,

we'll just, you know, hope that people... Lather and rinse and repeat. Yeah. a weird choice, but he ends up being an important character in the next, in the next, like, all the people you could choose, you pick the guy that you default turn traitor, like, like you couldn't just make, just give him a new name. I know, it's weird.

You didn't even use all the same assets, just give him a new, fucking name. I don't get it at all. I don't get it. Especially since there was another guy, Avitus, who was a devastating Marine, and he turned traitor, and one of the regular characters killed him in Chaos Rising. So, like, they already did it. They already did the thing with another character anyway. So why?

Do it with the guy that you canonically turn traitor. Yeah, you don't have avatuses in retribution because he was killed by one of the other characters previously for being a traitor. So it, all around, weird choice, but there you go. Just thought I'd throw that in that. Just one of the fun things about it being, like, video. When I say video game first, law, second. Obviously, that has to be true. Always missed a video first, right?

Always missed a video first. So, having had the second Arradiah campaign, things didn't get better. Oh, wow, really? Ten years later, it's the third Aradia campaign because this subsector

cannot catch a break, apparently. So they managed to banish O'Kare But the fact is there's still Black Legion, there's still chaos cults all throughout the subsector, there's a bunch of remnants of the tyrannid invasion still all over the place, there's orcs everywhere, and the Eldar are still going around the place looking for the remains of a long-lost craft world,

so it's still a hellhole. It's still an absolute nightmare. They kind of fixed one problem, and there's just still so many issues going on. Sounds like this game should be called Dawn of Orks. They're just everywhere, all the time. I mean, being able to play the Ork campaign in Retribution is one of Life's great pleasures,

and I 100% recommend it. I think the Ork Campaign is the best one, not least because of the ending, because, like, the guy... Wait, is this the Free Buddha one? Yeah, Captain Blood Flagg. With the hat stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess not to steal your thunder, but basically, often he's like chatting with an Inquisitor and the Inquisitor has one of those big, like, pilgrim hats. And he's always like, I like your hat, by the way. And then I think at the end, I think at the end, doesn't he, like, kill them and get the hat? Yep.

He gets what he wants. The first time he meets the Inquisitor, he's like, that's a fancy hat. I want that hat. They work out a deal. she goes back on it, and then the end of the game, he picks her up, steals her hat, gets on the judgment of Carrion, which is a spacehulk,

just a reminder, takes it as his new ship, and him and Mr. Nailbrain go off for more adventures. That sounds like the most orc thing I've ever heard. It's the best. It's the best one. It's the best campaign in Retribution. Okay, all right.

There's also a lot of really good, like, just general, dialogue. The orcs slap in their dialogue in these games. Donovore won, too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, orcs always come out on top because they just get people to do the silly voices, but they have more

fun than everyone else. I'm convinced of this. I'm like 100%. I think orcs get the, get like the best performances out of people because it's like, okay, okay, we need you to be more pirate, but also throw in more words that don't quite

sound right. Is that okay? And who isn't, Who's like going to sit there and go, no, no, I want to do Shakespearean? No, you're just going to go manful with it, aren't you? Imagine somebody like, no, no, I need to portray this orc in a more civilized manner. I actually wouldn't, you know what, now you've done that, I wouldn't mind that either. It just means whatever it is if it's all, it's probably going to work, isn't it? They do have one of the best lines, which is, did you say something, Eldar? I couldn't hear you for all that hot air you was blowing.

There's some good ones. There's some real good ones. Man, I wish Don of War wasn't, because it's an RTS, right? Yeah. Yes. I am so bad at RTSs. I cannot, like, I don't know if it's just because I have no patience to focus on, like, strategy or whatever. But, man, because all, like, the Dawn of War stuff so far sounds really dope.

I mean, I mean. I mean, it's not. These are campaign missions, so you probably could do fine with them because they're not. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's a campaign. It's not like, you can just choose like easy difficulty, you know. True. And that's, the low difficulty is like, is, is, is super easy.

The only, like, the only. I tried playing Total War Warhammer and it was not what I was expecting. Like, I was expecting a campaign thing where it's just campaign mission, campaign mission, campaign mission. And total war War Warhammer was like, no, it's like, conquer the world type of RTS. And I was like, oh, no. Yeah, that's like more like grand strategy. It's like a hybrid more than anything. But, yeah, no, the, I mean, the campaign in the Dono War

stuff is fine. I would just download the mod that's you zoom out farther because Don of War I has it really zoomed in for, I don't know why. Yeah, get a mod, let's you zoom out farther if you're going to play it. And then it gets a lot better. There's a lot of mods for that game, too, like Old Man Apocalypse Mon and stuff. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of good stuff.

I will always remember a lot of the quotes from it. It's good. It sounds so dope. All this stuff sounds really cool, though. So it kind of has me itching to, like, actually pick up some of the games. Shame, there's no third one, apparently, though. Yeah. It's a pity.

It's a pity, but what are you going to do? But, yeah, as Shai said, it is essentially, for the third reading campaign, like, for Retribution, it is just everything is so bad that the Inquisition is there just to see whether they should blow up literally everybody. Just like exterminate us a lot. And that's kind of what they're there for. And so it's a case of the Blood Ravens are trying to find out what's happening and also trying to stem the tide of chaos and orcs and everything else.

And the Inquisition is just like, okay, this is bad. This is really bad. They've not had a great time of it, the Blood Ravens, and there's been all sorts of weird corruption stuff going on, and we need to work out whether this is salvageable or whether we need to just kill everything. So they do that, they show up. Also, Elephus the Inheritor is back because chaos.

They wanted him back. I mean, at this point, I'm like, the dudes of failure. He's not done well. Stop giving him second chances. But that's just me. Yeah. The Blood Raven campaign is to effectively hunt down Chiris and deal with him because he is the source of the corruption. And Chiris' grand plan effectively is to get the Inquisition to enact exterminatus

because that would result in billions of people being sacrificed, at which point he would become a demon prince of corn. Corn, of course. Which in the context of like billions of sacrifices makes sense, in the context of he's a psycher who was corrupted by Nurgle, not so much. But you know. No, not really. Maybe being picky there, I don't know.

But that always struck me as weird, just a weird choice. Yeah, it also seems weird. Because I would imagine corn, like, he would like that a billion people died like that with an exterminatist, but like, wouldn't he want a more, more like hand-to-hand combaty, bloody war type thing for his, like, champion? Yeah, I mean, corn, you know, famously not that keen on psychas to begin with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a choice. It's an interesting choice. It's interesting they didn't go with, like, because that sounds like something Zinch would get a huge kick out of.

Like, why not just make him like a greater demon of Zinch or something? Because you've got the weird planning, you've got the betrayal, you've got a weird plan that leads to exterminatus in billions. That sounds so Zinch. It kind of does. And it's a psycher. Yeah. Yeah.

But that was still also wouldn't solve the problem with being corrupted by a great demon of Nurgle to begin with, which is still like, I suppose chaos is chaos and some chaos can just into other chaos, but yeah, it was an interesting, an interesting choice. But as Shire has put, Corn, Asaica wishes to serve me, listens to speech. Okay, just this once. I mean, it was a good speech. It was a good speech. It was a very good speech. You can be the exception to the rule. Yeah. Okay. We're going a bit long. So, what we're going to do is we're going to jump straight to... Sorry, sorry, I couldn't help it.

I... I returned from unmuting my mic. Prepare yourself. Oh, no. I'm sorry, I held it back for dietic. This one just... I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Go on, Kariath. Please tell. Please tell. So, we're going to do their links to the thousand sons and all the stuff they stole. Not all the stuff they stole. We'll be here like all day. Yeah.

But... I did say they were akin to magpies, so I'm interested to hear all the stuff they stole. There's one in particular, I can't wait to tell you. It's so good. So, with the links to the Thousand Suns, you've got a high number of psychers, like a very high number of psychers. You've got a complete lack of, like, previous history, you know, past a certain point. You've got Red Armour, Thousand Suns, Horus Heresy, Color Scheme, of course, being red armour. The fact that the Thousand Suns had a Corvidai cult, which was the head of

Raven and they are the blood ravens. Okay. It very much looks like they, well, okay, maybe they didn't use. I guess it's just a birdhead, really. I was going to say, that's awful close to what's on the Blood Raven logo, but it's like, ah, it's just a birdhead, DK, shut up. There's a lot of birdheads in 40K. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah.

There's also an excerpt from the horse heresy book, The Burning of Prospero, amazing book, where a psycher who is having, extremely violent visions says, the ravens, I see them too, the lost sons and a raven of blood, they cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied.

And that's part of a prophecy concerning the thousand sons, but that sort of slipped through. That's quite, it's quite a, in, like, in your face, kind of, kind of mention that.

That's pretty in your face, blood ravens in a burning of prospero, hey, look, this is a prophecy for the thousand, Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a connection. Yeah. Um, so that, I think that's, that's, that's, that's like the first big, big one that kind of showed up technically, or is that the sec?

I forget which all of these are in, because there is, there is something that is just fully, fully kind of, it's a bit mad, but there's the fact that we have knowledge as power, guard it well, that's their motto, but that's also something that was said by the Thousand Sons Corvidai member Revuel Arvida

who I've seen this a couple of times right Wait does he literally say that the Thousand Sons guy literally says that He says knowledge is power So he does the first half

Doesn't do the second half In fairness Knowledge's power can be a Yeah Used by any inquisitor Yeah any inquisitor Any Inquisitor

Any Eldar Anyone honestly besides orcs. I mean, on Earth, it's great to learn because knowledge is, like we say it. It's a very ubiquitous thing to say, yeah. It's fun, but it is also relatively generic.

So there is a thing, I've seen this a few times, and I personally I don't get it, but you tell me if you think there's something to this. I've seen people say that Azariah Vidia, the, like, the Great Father of the Blood Ravens, it's a similar name to Reveal

Arvidah, which like pacing-wise, yes, but otherwise, not really. No, that's a... It's more of a syllable thing. Yeah, that's a reach. Yeah, that one I've never...

I've never really kind of connected to that one. It's just been like, well, they've got like... stylistically, maybe, but other than that, it's not like an anagram or anything, so there is also the fact that there are like,

fleas elements of thousand sons that were that were like sent away from Prospero prior to the burning so there's the fact that there's some that didn't get taken into the warp and the like that kind of sort of suggest that a little bit but

it's kind of countered by the fact that Revuel Arvada is already the founder of a different chapter or at least is like very heavily implied to be which is the grey night's so

unless he was doing double duty which kind of seems unlikely that one again it kind of feels like not quite not quite there there is also a world which is Ray's Paradise

I hate the way this is spelled R-A-H-E-S Ray right Rah-E-E that doesn't sound right Okay. There's a world. There's a world they've got. That's a Star Wars ass name.

I don't like it. Oh, who's that over there? Oh, that's Ray's Glimgarg. God. So there's this world that they've got, and they found out that the outposts they have is built on the ruins of a previous structure from like millennia ago.

No markings on it. But they did find an Astati's shoulder plate in the ruins. And then they found that they were, like, these ancient space marines were supposed to have allied themselves with the elder. And agreed to maintain, like, a guardianship over that place. Which, it's like 10 millennia ago, which is like birth of the Imperium kind of time. but Thousand Suns weren't the only Astati's legion to wear red so that's like that it could be nothing could be like technically word bearers or blood angels

or you know like it's it's kind of a bit out there but again it's this very vague thing of kind of similar right? Yeah and there are other connections to the Thousand Suns so it's like once you get a bunch of little connections it's like once you get the big quote it's like oh thousand sons and then, you know, little other things start standing out that, you know, maybe it's anybody that wears red, but once you have the thousand sons quote, it's like,

well, surely. The biggest, the biggest one though. And it's worth pointing out before I go into this, that this is from a book. Pepe Sylvia's the word I was looking for. You start pepe sylving the board with the thousand sons. Yeah, just a bunch of red string everywhere. Yep. This, this needs to be taken with a significant amount of salt, right?

It is technically an official source, but it is from the Blood Ravens Dawn of War Omnibus. Okay. Now, it's worth pointing that out because part of those books, I think it was the first two or so. The Blood Ravens have a book? They have an omnibus? Oh, okay. Yeah, post the game, of course, because they got popular and everything, but yeah. Yeah.

I did not realize the Dawn of War games were so popular that they were like, yeah, let's make a series of books about them. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's a good number of them. Oh, okay. And they're written by, oh, God, I thought there was only three. There's four. I completely, oh, no, there we go.

There we go. No, I'm right, it is only three. It is only three, thank God. Okay. The CS Goto is the one he wrote them. Now, he is a reputation. He has a reputation when it comes to his 40K writing. And it's not necessarily...

Someone has nothing to do with the books. It's that the author tends to do something. The author has issues with the law of 40K, which is unfortunate given that he's written books about it. You know, things like just what weapons people use, Space Marine Terminators, generally speaking, do not tend to carry around multilazers, but for some reason they do when he's writing them.

Okay. Eldar, like, I think is it that they decided to ditch their own transport to use a rhino because it was heavier armoured or something, something like that, that kind of like just misunderstanding of how that would work. I was going to say, that sounds very not Eldar. Yeah, things like, for instance, the main armament on a tank changing from one page to the other for no reason whatsoever. it. You know, it starts out a battle cannon, and then the next page it's a, it's like a last cannon. Why? We don't know. But that's the kind of, that's the kind of quality that one can expect. And we are using this guy as our connecting dot? Well, this is the thing. So there is, there is a guy, librarian Rama of the Blood Ravens, who has amnesia and somehow

ended up traveling with the war band of Thousand Suns, led by Aramon, as you do. Okay. As you do, sure. You know, Aramon, the famous Thousand Sons guy. Yeah, that guy. Stumbled upon him, as you do, sure. Traveled with them, you know, despite them being fully,

although, you know, amnesia, so we can let him off. but throughout all of it he's being called son of Aramon, he's being called friend of Aramon, he keeps being called a lost brother when the Blood Raven with Amnesia finds

an Eldar book called the Unfounding which funnily enough is the one that Azariah Vidya wrote Aramon's like I had one of those and then says the other one was held by

Azariah Vidia, who I knew better than you might expect. Oh, they're just... Either they're not being subtle, or it's a total throwaway line. They didn't expect to mean as much as it did. Well, there is another sentence. We are not so different, you and I. We were not always so different. There was a time long ago before the change

when the thousand sons of Magnus wore the blood-red armor of their primark. Oh, good God, okay. Well, um... It's kind of in your face, but at the same time, it's not ever actually stated fully outright. It's like, it's kind of, you may as well think this because we're going to really make it seem like this is the case,

but we're also not going to ever clarify it or follow up on it in any way, shape or form, and Aramon is, as shy says, a zinch follower and a liar. True, he could be, he could just be fucking with an amnes. Like, he could just be totally pulling his chain. Yeah, exactly. Or just having a laugh.

Like, he could just be entertaining himself. So, but yeah, there's definitely, there's connections there, but as Games Workshop is want to do, they've chucked them all out there in various forms and absolutely made no attempt to clarify any of it. So, yeah, and like Shia said, as... People think they might be descended from the Thousand Suns, but at the same time, I mean, also, I mean, also, could be word bearers if you wanted to go to the traitorly. Sure, sure.

A desperate approval, like a desperate seeking of truth of things that have been buried, of wanting to uncover, like, what is, like, real, regardless of the cost. Kind of word bearers. A little bit. And, like, I said, like, the books might be, like, really poorly written and, like, whatever. but it's GW has it as canon like it's it's an official GW Warhammer

book it's canon so that's a thing that happened that you can't ignore yeah you can't just be like oh yeah forget the book

but also 20 years ago yeah and it's it's crazy how much games like it's wild how much games

workshop treats their property like a mom and pop shop and make terrible decisions but comparing it to like how it was treated 20 years ago, the vibe is very different.

True. Also, I don't trust the thing a zinch follower says, just to add that a little bit. I don't trust a goddamn word out of those dust boy's mouths. It is entirely possible that he was just messing around with someone that had amnesia. Entirely possible. That is a very zinchy encoded thing to do, sure. I would absolutely.

as well. I would do the same thing, though, if I, if I was just like a regular person, there's a little part of that back of my mind where if I was with an amnesiac person in real life, there's like the devil on my shoulder that's like,

just tell them, just tell them bullshit. The intrusive thoughts, huh? The intrusive thoughts. Intruthous thoughts. What if I told the amnesiac that I was his father? Like, hey, come on, man.

You wouldn't do that, would you? Would you? It'd be really funny, though. Damn, Bricky. Damn. I tell you what, let's talk about some stuff they stole quickly before things get worse. Oh, true, true, true, yeah. I want to hear the magpie stuff that they stole.

So, as we said at the start, this was all like, it started with video games. Developers want to put little nods into other stuff. They want to do things that are like fun little Easter eggs. It only becomes a problem when Games Workshop are like, this chapter is canon. That's where things start to get very, very silly. Because they have things they should not have. They just should flat out not have. For instance, they have a sword called Asriel's Second,

which is a heavenfall blade, which is one of the type of swords that Asriel of the Dark Angels carries. His is the sword of secrets, and for some reason, the Blood Ravens have got the same type of sword, which is said to be a cousin of the one that Grand Master Azriel carries. Ooh. And they should not have that. They don't like that stuff, or they don't like losing that stuff.

No, no, no. They keep that stuff under lock and key. Like that, mm. Yeah, they're not fans of their stuff going missing. No. There's also the Doom of Apostasy, which is a Thunderhammer, which apparently Black Templar High Marshal

Sijian Anders used during the Terran Crusade again, not sure how the Blood Ravens got hold of that but they've got it Okay, cool, cool. Nice relics, bro, nice relics. It just gets so ridiculous.

They have the Dreadmall of Scar brand which is apparently... Wait, what? Just... Yeah, they have the Dreadmour of Skarbrand. They have a weapon of the named corn demon prince

or what a, no, greater demon? What the hell? How did they get that? They just pick it up. Oh, it's on the battlefield. Look, it's in the same cabinet. It's in the same cabinet

as forge breaker. Forgebreaker? Oh, wait. Forge breaker. Vulcan's hammer? No. Oh, it's so much, Worse than that.

Wait, no. Wait, no, no. Wait, no, no. Well, yeah, Ferris Manus's hammer that was given to Folgram that was given to Perchiravo. Yep, they have that. Yep, they've got that.

Why the hell do they have that? How do they have that? Why do they get? I don't even remember that part. Where did they get that from? Look, who knows? They've got it, all right? It's in the armories.

You can equip it in the games. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I got it wrong again. The hammer Fulgram made that Ferris Manus was then given, who then died, who was then taken by Perciaravo. Yes. My bad. That is now in the possession of the Blood Ravens.

Yeah, they've got that, so that's fine. They never thought maybe the emperor or someone would want that, or maybe some, they were just like, yeah, let's put it in the sack. Like, what? Treason out here salivating. Trazen would be so jealous. He's looking for the right Pokemon for that. Perciaro's got it again, but still, it's, it's. It's insane.

It's insane that they had it to begin with. Oh, oh, Perchraba was sold back. Okay, okay. Okay. I thought they still had it. And I was like, what the hell? Going to be so upset when they, when they work that out. There are, I will throw out just two things as well, by the way,

Space Wolf related that weren't stolen from the Space Wolves, but it is funny. So one of their guys, the Blood Ravens, they went to Fenris to try and, like, go to the fang. And he was rejected and told, no, you can't come in. So he made a power axe called Fang of Fenris, just in honour of it, even though the space wolves weren't interested in any way, shape or form. And someone also made a sword. No, it was another axe, sorry. It was a gift of Blackmayne.

Now that makes it sound like Black Main gave it to them, right? Mm-hmm. That's not what happened. It was made for him, sent to him. He went, no thank you, they can keep their trinkets, and send it back. So, I mean, it was a gift for him. He didn't want it, but still. Yep.

I mean, you know, they've stolen a few things, but they have also just made stuff of their own. There's also a weapon that it looks like was crafted by Rogaldorn. They've just got that. Not really sure why they have that, but they do. That's not even the weirdest thing. That's just like, oh yeah, they somehow got a weapon. crafted by Rogel Dorn.

That's not nearly as bad as having, you know, Forgebreaker. And I would have gone away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling Imperial Fists and your damn Dorn. And your damn Dorn. There's also, by far, I think even somehow weirder than Forgebreaker, and I know that's a big claim to make, but... That is huge. They have a power fist called Maphitic perdition of flies, which was original. So, Sonescian, definitely. originally used by Solendesius of the Death Guard during the Horus heresy

when he became corrupted by Nergel. So in flight of the Eisenstein, the dude gets corrupted by Nergel, chops his own arm off, the power fist he was wearing is the power fist that the Blood Ravens now have. Again, where did they get that? How did it survive that long? We don't know, but they've got it.

They've got it. It's theirs. It belongs to them now. Why would you want that? I mean, it's still a good power fist. I don't know. I guess it's corrupted by Nergel, though. And it doesn't it still have his hand in it, too?

His corrupted, like, Nergel hand is in it. It's the thing of flies or flies all around it. Why would you want that? Why did you pick that up? It's not the best. Can I think of it. Maybe we don't use the demon weapons. I guess it's not a demon weapon.

It's just like the weapon that was on a corrupted guy. It's not like there's a solid. it, but like, maybe just don't fuck with that stuff, you know? Agreed. I mean, don't, don't mess with Redsax Venom, which is corrupted with the pestilence of Nurgle. Why did you, why did they grab that? Why are you picking this stuff up?

Stop it. Leave the trash on the ground. I, man, I played the entire intro of Total War Warhammer 3, and I saw what happened to those Kislev folks. Can they calm themselves, maybe? Oh, yeah, the pistol of ball. That's good. A unique Mark 3 bolt pistol.

This relic has the trademark, bloody teardrop of the Blood Angels stamped upon the pistol's grip. The chapter records indicate that this weapon was acquired through a ceremonial exchange of arms between themselves and the Blood Angels in the 37th the Landium, though oddly the Blood Angels possess no records of such an exchange. They flat out stole it. We all know they did. They stole a Blood Angel bolt pistol. Well done. Yep. They've also got Bane of the Fallen, which is a Stormbolter gifted by the Grey Knights.

who for some reason actually quite like the Blood Ravens, although for the life of me, I don't know why. There's a storm bolster that they got off crimson fists as well, specifically a heretical crimson fist, so that's nice. There's just... Think the trash on the ground, man! Okay, D.K. On a scale of one, two, I'm not picking that up. Where do you sit on demon fury, which is a plasma gun,

bound with a foul demon of jealousy? You're picking that up to you? Hey, no, wait, I'm putting a top. They gotta stop. Leave the trash on the ground. They got it. Okay, they need to. You have to stop.

So remind me, Kierreuth, how often do they have people that turn traitor again? It's weird. Seems to happen quite a bit. Yeah. No kidding. So I'm not saying this correlation equals causation, but I'm saying is that it's in the same zip code. It's definitely in the same ballpark. Yeah.

Oh, here's one that you just steal from the, uh, they do still from the space walls. Gellit Truth, it's a Stormbolter that was apparently used by Ulrich the Slayer during the first war farm again. Now they've got it. That's like, it's not great they're stealing that, but it's more fine than the rest. Yeah, that I can understand why you would want. It's not as bad as all the other, like, clearly corrupted things that they've got. Gee whiz, why do people in our company keep going? Chaos, I just can't figure it out.

Looks at the ominously red glowing cabinet of chaos-infested nonsense that we've been picking up for centuries. Yep, yep. Oh, this I love, they've got Terminator armor called the Ages of Obliteration, which was taken off a mortally wounded astral claw

during the Badaab War. I was lying on the floor, and they just took it off him. Oh, yoink! What about? Let's remember, though, the astral claws were the... Oh, technically renegade,

weren't they? They were the successor. I'm not going to pay taxes, guys. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. At first, it did say it did sound like... It did sound like he was just taking it off of his buddy, like his comrade, but no, they were

technically the enemy. Oh, fine. Oh, the two most ridiculous armors, before we stop, I love both of these. One of them is egregious. The other one is just so far beyond stupid. The Holy Armour of Pagation, which is Grey Knight Armour, claimed by the Blood Ravens, after the Necron assault on Lawn 5, which claimed by,

again, just makes it sound like they took it off a dude. Yeah, they probably took it off a dead or die. Yeah, they just nicked it. The other one, I love that this is in this list, golden armour of the custodies. Among the most revered artefacts of the Blood Ravens believed to have been worn by one of the custodies guarding the emperor when they boarded horse's battle barged

the vengeful spirit. Okay, nice, nice. You know, Archel Toll is smiling in the afterlife right now. What a trophy. What a trophy to have. Wow. With that trophy list, I would not be shocked to hear that this was like a chaos space marine chapter.

It's crazy. Yeah. What the fuck are you guys doing, picking up all this crap? It's supposed to be Easter eggs, I know. Hey, look, here's a Warhammer 40K thing. But once it becomes canon, it's like, what are you doing? It's just how do you have this? Don't ask questions.

Don't ask questions. Go away. Leave us alone. So I think that gives a good indication as the overall level of magpinus and kleptomania that the blood raveans suffer from. Yeah. And that's, I think that kind of sums them up as much as you can sum up. a chapter that has as much insane history as theirs does,

given that, you know, they were part of a bunch of absolutely horrific wars that either went nowhere or ended up with half of them being killed. Also, Shad, please post that Tresen comic that you just put in Chad. There's a lot of Tres and Blood or Angel stuff, or Blood Raven stuff. That's a very common, a very common one. Yep. Kindred spirits. Yeah, definitely.

Worth it Worth it Worth it So So that's That's that's that's our episode today Huh Kiryov Nice short little succinct episode

No I really didn't think it was going to go on this long No rail turning No swerving Just a very straightforward episode On our friends The Blood Ravens I'm such a badass swerver

I mean you're You're a swerving It keeps us It keeps us moving Um, Belbre, Blahere events are funny. I wonder if they'll ever, I wonder if they'll ever kind of like bring them back in a way.

Like, like, I'm, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I do not know or understand what games workshop is doing with its IP, uh, in terms of video games.

Like, I'm not sure they, it's weird because it's not like they're all duds, but they're certainly, it's, they hand it out in a strange cadence. Um, yeah.

It's mostly like mobile cash grab dog, water card games. Yeah. But besides... So many of those. There's so many. But besides that, it's like, I don't know. I am a little bit tired.

Okay, not a little bit. I'm extremely tired of the term-based hexagonal things they've been putting out for a while. But like RTS, RTS is kind of a, it's actually getting a little bit of a resurgence lately, but it was kind of a dead genre for a while. I don't know. They got to bring that shit back, man. Donna War 4 is a perfectly, I mean, three, is a perfectly acceptable thing to be bringing back out right now.

Just hire the right studio for it. Did they ever... Ignore anything that was done to, like, the original attempt at the third one. Just ignore that. I assume the Blood Ravens never made a transition into, like, the tabletop where it's like you can paint your army like the Blood Ravens, but it's not like there is a specific codex for the Blood Ravens, right? I believe...

No, they had rules in White Dwarf, I think it was. Yeah, way back when. But as far as I know, like, yeah, no one really does the Blood Ravens. There's no current rules in 10th edition for the Blood Ravens. I think there's like,

um, legends rules for Angeloos. I think. Um, but that's all I can think of. So, no, you, you paint them like it and then you do your own fun shenanigans like most. They're like the second or 11th Legion where it's like, oh yeah, look, this is my second Legion. They're the Blood Ravens.

I swear. Yeah, well, it's like Lamenters. You know, you paint them up like Lamenters. You just run them gladius attachment or something and then you just kind of roll from there. Painting Lamenters and all that checkerboard, no thank you. Yeah, not a fan of that one, absolutely.

Nope, nope. Shy paints orch checkerboard. I don't know how, well, I guess it's because shy is literally insane. After putting up this long. Also, orcs don't need to look perfect. Fair and valid. That is true.

You check a board's got a little bit of shenanigans in it, and it's like, oh, well. It's orcs. It's orcs. That's fair. Anyway, shall we take ourselves out of here? Yeah, take us home, country road. All right. Carrioth, thank you for the information.

Unfortunately for you, you have given too much information about the Blood Ravens. and it is time for you It is time for you to join The other groups in terms of the Where are there vaults called full of stuff Do they have a name for the vaults? I don't know they have a specific Okay

They've got a specific name Well get back in the wall then, Kiriath As I was saying like well because Trayson has the Sleminance galleries And so I don't know what the Blood Angel The Blood Raven vaults are But like Kyriah your time in the walls is over It's time for you to get in the vault

So be gone, sir. We will see you in a month.