Adeptus Ridiculous - CORVUS CORAX: NEVERMORE | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousCorvus Corax is the Primarch of the Raven Guard Space Marine Legion. Growing up to become a revolutionary for the workers of Lycaeus, Corax became a master of guerrilla warfare and hit-and-run tactics. He remained true to the Emperor during the Horus Heresy, and as such his Legion took some of the heaviest losses of the war during the Drop Site Massacre.Support the show

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Yeah, the artist did a really fantastic job. Hell yeah. So, speaking of Halloween. Halloween! It's time for a new episode, D.K. You know, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.

Ah, I can't, I can't find a quote that is like... Oh, shoot, no quote. Guess you'll just have to tell me what it is. And I guess I'll have to find some other way to look like an idiot this episode. Oh, no. You bitch. What? You said no quote.

You couldn't find one. I, hey. I did not say that. I, you cut me off. That's what I heard. That's what I, that's all I heard. You got blinders. The moment you heard no quote, you were like,

Yay, I'm free! Yes, celebrate I'm free! I couldn't find a quote that accurately describes what we have going on today without making it so obvious or making it so not obvious. It's either too obvious. It's either too vague or too blunt. Exactly. So I have a hard time.

There is a fun quote, which is the first, Axiom of freedom is that justice without force is powerless and force without justice is tyranny Which can be attributed to like anything. I was gonna say that's like 90% of the things in in 40k So in that case I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you what we're doing today. Hell yeah brother You know actually I'm gonna make I'm still gonna make you guess because I I want to hurt you I'm so it's a space marine chapter Uh-huh. We're doing space marines.

We're doing a primark. We're back to the good days. A prime mark. What? Oh, so it's got to be either the space wolves or... I'm going to guess Lehman Russ. Not even knowing anything? Lehman Russ.

Do you even know what other ones we still have to do? Nope. It's not Lehman Russ. How does it have anything to do with Halloween? Because he's a stupid wolf Viking. It's Corvus Corax It's the Raven guy Oh that was my next guess

It's Halloween What would you All right That's true Corvus If so I didn't I didn't remember which other Primarks we had I know you didn't

I would have I know I know Anyway Corvus Corax Corvus Corax Corvus Corax

Of the Raven Guard The Raven Lord The Liberator The Deliverer Chuser of the slain shadowed lord, other edgy titles to give him, etc. It just dawned on me that you didn't have a quote and I still got it wrong. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

I am in Spain without the S. I am in Spain without the A. Wee. We. I mean, you had like three options. You had Lehman Russ, Corvus, Corvus, Magnus. Yeah, but it's a Halloween episode. It should have been obvious.

It should have been obvious. All right. So Corvus. Corvus, Corvus, Corax. You know, leader of the Ravenguard, the 19th Legion, if I am not mistaken. Going into this episode, I was like, huh, he does not have a whole lot of lore. Really? Not as much as I expected.

And I think the main reason for that is that he was found. pretty late in the Great Crusade. And I don't think, like, over a hundred years into the crusade. Oh. Like, pretty deep. Things that were already pretty happening. A century in, huh? Not just that, which, you know, humorously, a century is like nothing for us.

Yeah, for 40K, that's true. It's nothing. But, yeah, he was found really late. And I don't think he has a dedicated Primark growing up book. You know, like, some people like Dorn have a have a Primark book, but it's mainly centered around his time in the heresy and around there. Whereas like Percharabobo, Alfarious, Kurs have a lot more of their early life backstory available. So he doesn't really have a lot of that.

Oh wait. Shai says, Korax, Lord of Shadows, Lord of Shadows. Wait, is that really what his book is called? Lord of Shadows? Whoa, whoa, whoa, is that one about his growing up, shy? Or is that just a book about him during, like, the Crusade and stuff? I specifically said growing up. I bet it because Dorn has a book, but Dorn does not have a book about his early life.

See, I told you, God, no one's listening to me today. Everyone's cutting me off halfway. Well, see, I cut you off because I knew I was going to be wrong if I let you finish. Yeah, but shy cut me out because she thought she had a chance to be right. Well, yeah, but that's, that's like prototypical shy. Like, what are you expecting, man? That's a good point. Anyway, there's not a whole lot of his growing up stuff.

And he also comes in pretty late into the Great Crusade. And he also is one of the few prime marks that got hit in the drop site massacre. So he doesn't have a lot going on. He got the triple whammy. Yeah, he does get hit pretty hard in the drop-type massacre, doesn't he? Yeah. Lorgar! Fucking Lorgar.

No, but even so, even with his kind of low volume of lore, unlike Ferris Manus, I actually think he's kind of cool. I like Corvus Corax. He's got a really decent amount of intrigue to him, and he's just kind of neat. So let's chat. Okay, let's chat. I am excited to hear about the primar for the Ravenguard.

That also means we're probably doing a Ravenguard episode next week, which is, which is hype. So yeah, let's talk about him. Yeah. So anyway, his home world is just impossible to pronounce. Lechias, Lechae, Lechaeus. I'm going to go Lechias. L-Y-C-A-E-E-E. E-U-S.

Lecayas. I'm going to go with that. Yeah, that's what I would have tried, too. Lecayas, something like that. Yeah, that sounds about right. So, naturally, you know, I reiterate this for people who are just new and they're like, I want to learn about the Ravengarb. You know, one of emperors, many Primark sons, chaos grabbed them, played a giant Galactic Game of Keepaway, threw them across the galaxy.

Yeet! Big old Yeet! And he landed over into this. lightless chamber underneath the surface of this barren moon called La Chayas. And this moon orbited the planet, uh, Kiyovar, I think is what I would pronounce it as. Okay. Um, that is a, that picture of La Chias is, yeesh. It's a dark place.

Yeah. Just a few spots with light. Uh, so Kievvar, the planet itself, not the moon, was a advanced forge world with factories bring in materials mine from typically minor slaves as is the Imperium and 40K sure Yep yep

Well I guess this isn't actually Really the Imperium much here Because it's a different Offworld but Despite that it is very much a A bunch of mine Like minor overlords And they're slaves

Yeah that's that's 40K for you So Corvus was actually taken from the slaves that found him on the moon and were hidden. They hid him from their overseers. Now, the slaves were among a lot of different kinds of people. Some were criminals. Some were political opponents.

Some were workers who just, you know, didn't quite meet that quota. Yeah. But naturally, like all primarks, he grew up incredibly quick, became really smart, became really strong, way faster than anyone would ever expect. And so because of that, a lot of the mining slaves gave him the name Savior or Deliver, as they believed him to do very much within his future deeds. Ah, so I'm assuming Corvax is going to overthrow the slave leaders, and then the Ravenguard is going to rise up from the slaves that are saved alongside Corex.

you got a pretty good understanding of it for the most part yeah yeah um you know as yeah cora corvus was raised as was raised pretty much as a slave um he was underneath the other slaves and like kept protected and stuff

but for the most part he grew up and began to understand the terrible existence of this moon and how awful it was to be a mining slave for these giant corporations and overlords. But all of his slaves were like, hey, you know, hold off a little bit, wait a little bit, bide your time.

You might be big primark man, but they've got bombs and stuff, you know, like you can only take so much. They are well-armed overlords. Like, you can't just rush in there half-cocked, you know? So, basically, Corvus bides time for a while to pick the right moment. moment to rise up and overthrow the slave lords. Which is also when he learned of his abilities. As we know, a lot of Primarks have some kind of fancy schick about them.

Sure. You know, like the inability to read and stuff, you know, yeah. Yeah, you know, there's always a downside. Pro and cons. Pros and cons. His was always being a step above the wardens in the sense of, like he seemed like he was able to avoid detection basically whatever they tried to find him

even when he was in direct line of sight of an enemy. Oh, so he's got stealth 100. It seems that he has the ability to really stealth himself in the minds of other people because it doesn't always work. Like, auspects, detection equipment, that kind of stuff would still check him out. Yeah.

But if he was like standing, in front of you, he could just kind of just don't even notice him. Which sounds like he's got the usual thing where it's a little psychory, it's a little like invisible, you know. I was going to say, it sounds like he's got some

psychor abilities. If he can just be like, yeah, I'm standing right in front of me. You can't see me. I'm not the droids you're looking for type of thing. Yeah. I'm pretty positive every primark is like a little psychery. It's just to the extent of what

you refer to it as. To what degree can they do? or use their psychic ability, right? Right. Like, Magnus is one thing, as opposed to Gilliman, whose psychic ability is math. Yeah. He does your taxes real well. He is the CPA of the Imperium.

So, as he learned of his abilities and he was able to kind of slipped around undetect him, he slowly started working with the slaves through the moon to gather weapons and, you know, different kinds of keys, sabotaging systems, until eventually he sprung his rebellion that led to, in classic 40K fashion, brutal, bloody uprising. Ah, yes, we do love a good, brutal, bloody, gory uprising in 40K, especially when it's against like slaver overlords, the bloodier and gory, the better. And, you know, like, not all the people who were the slaves were great. A lot of them were criminals.

death row inmates, that kind of stuff. But for the most part, Corvus was like, hey, you guys are men of violence. I will use that violence. But, you know, fight for me and get us out of here, and I'll let you, I'll redeem you for your past transgressions, basically. You can, you can join me in the Imperium, which, you know. Yeah. I guess it's a step up. Whoa, when they took over the moon, they nuked the oppressive.

Pressure planet with nuclear mining charges on self-made rockets? What? Shy, I was getting there. Oh, I've been spoiled. I've been spoiled. Okay, okay, shy, cut that part out. I'm going to, uh, Bricky, explain the part. No, no, no, no, no, we're keeping it in.

So surprised, so surprised. The whole, the lesson of the war was that sometimes the innocent must suffer for the sake of all. The nuclear weapon stockpiled on the moon barrage the planet and the manufacturer of cities below until they couldn't deal with the moon anymore and had to surrender. Boy, if that ain't the most imperium quote I've ever heard, I don't know what is. Sometimes, eh, the innocent got to suffer. That's just war.

You know, what are you going to do? For the sake of all? A couple million casualties? Ah, it's okay. We have billions more. Drop in the bucket. Typical Kriegsman. Yeah, that's the most imperium thing I've ever heard.

So it was then after they took over the, the moon. They were able to lead the rebellion and take the moon that the emperor finally arrived. The emperor arrived, right? And he was there for literally like a day, a day. He talked with Corvus. Just for a day. He talked to Corvus for like a couple hours. And then after talking to him for a couple of hours, they spoke about like, you know, no one knows what they spoke about because, you know, they keep that shit to the grave. Of course. But talked about. And like ways of war, the importance of it. And basically the emperor was like, leave and do this yourself.

Also, it was a possibility that the emperor may have confided some secrets of chaos to him. This is kind of a classic like emperor thing where he has these grand plans and machinations. You don't know what he's doing yet. But in reality, in the future, it will become important. His machinations lay undetected for years. Oh, crap, hold on. I know that one. Wait, is that in my...

Posey D video? Yeah, let's go! Yeah, yeah, I remember that one. Let's go. The obvious RPG villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But regardless, the moon of Lechaias was then renamed to deliverance for a couple of reasons.

One, you know, the rebellion. Corvus was known as the deliverer. He was called the deliverer. as a kid, all that usual kind of stuff. And the slave overlords of the Kievar planet, of course, surrendered. And everything was then rebuilt. The Mechanicum arrived to take over

the colony world and the planet. And it was then rebuilt to benefit the Imperium instead, which, you know, trade one villain for another. Yeah, I was going to say, like, well, hey, look, the slavers are back. And then good old Mr. Corvus actually took the black tower on the moon that had held the garrison of slave owners and remade it into his fortress monastery for the Raven Guard Legion known as the Ravens Spire, which is a really cool looking building. I'm not going to lie. That is very cool looking.

Appropriate name too, cool name the Raven Spire. I like it. I like it. actually I'm surprised I didn't go with like a like a bird motif and call it like the Raven's Nest or the Ravens crook or something or something like that you know

maybe that's a too on the nose I mean they already have Raven in the name so yeah maybe it's it's too much to really lean into the bird theme oh well don't don't worry don't worry way down the line Corvus says something that is like

that made me grown like crazy please tell me me later on Corvus Corax, leader of the Ravenguard, is quoted as saying, car, car, please, please. Okay, not that bad. Oh, now, now my day is ruined. I mean, it'll be pretty good. Wait, tallest tower on, tallest tower on Raven Spider is called Erie. Iri, has that pronounced? Like Lake I'm having a hard time with words today. Well, we got some weird spelled words, right? You know, so.

which is a word for bird's nest. Hey, there you go. You got your bird motif. Hey, there we go. Yeah. Let's go. Ah, it's a bird's nest of a bird of prey. Ah, even more appropriate for the ravengard.

Fantastic. So, uh, at this point, once Corvus had then received his legium and the emperor came back and was like, good job, son. Um, he, it was then already a hundred years through the Great Crusade by the time he joined it. As it should be unsurprising, his legion brought into battle tactics of speed, you know, stealth, patience, you know, stealth attacks, like lots of various stealthy versions of fighting. Very cool backpacks. Very cool backpacks. A lot of the other prime marks didn't love it because they think anything other than run face into enemy is cowardly. And unlike the Alpha Legion, where the Alpha Legion's all about like military destabilization and espionage, the Raven Guard are more. Someone made a really good, a really good point, which is the Raven Guard don't want to be seen and don't want you to know that they were there.

The Alpha Legion don't want to be seen, but wants you to know that they're there. And the night lords want to be seen and want to be known that you're there. Oh, yeah. They certainly do. Is that Corvus Corax that Shai just posted? On the bottom? No. He's missing his beautiful long hair. Oh, fair enough.

But that's a really cool picture with like the claws and everything. That's dope. Yeah, the classic lightning claws are a Yeah, the lightning claws are a very big and important aspect of the Raven Guard. Because, you know, they're going really...

Yeah, every Raven needs his talents, right? Yeah, it's an interesting kind of between when it comes to the Raven Guard because on one hand they love their jet packs and claws but on the other hand they love their long range snipers and stuff so it's it's like this weird kind of in between where it's like super stealth a stealth mode precision attacks at close range or lots of long range snipers and you know well that's that's that's still a level of precision and and being kind of stealthy because you know can't see them if they you know dome you from a hundred miles away do

with this as they were getting the Ravenguards sorted they actually of course got a lot of their lesion from Terra to begin with but Corvus wasn't too big of a fan of these guys because they felt I mean he felt like they were a lot like the slave owners from back when shocking development that the troops from the Imperium

feel like slave owners so a lot of the A lot of the higher command of the Terran Marines were assimilated into lower levels of command, brought back down into lower positions to kind of, you know,

humble them a little bit, but yeah, also very Mortarian-like of him. A little bit. But besides that, working with the Mechanicum, especially the one that's now on Kiivar, they got all these kind of really cool new Ravenguard things.

They had like the shadow, Hawk, which is a stealth Thunderhawk. There's the Whisper Cutter, which is a flyer that grab drops 10 troops in like pure silence. You know, classic stealth stuff. Also, man,

a stealth thunder, does that look any different the stealth Thunderhawk? Because like, usually those are pretty chunky things. Like, a stealth... It's black. It's kind of... It's... Of course, of course, of course. It's just Jet Black. All of their stuff is Jet Black. It doesn't run... I just figured since it probably ran like, you know how like the first time I ever rode in an electric car, it was unsettling because I was like, this thing, is this thing on?

Did you start the engine? What is going on? And so I kind of figured maybe the thing would be like that where it has to look a little different because, but no, it's just, okay, it's jet black. Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, well, it does have other things that changed for it, like how it operates, but we'll save that for Ravenguard. Okay. But if you, like, if you ran it in the tabletop, you would just have a jet black thunder. Hawk. Pretty much.

Okay. So after that, Corvus only had a couple of engagements in the Great Crusade, notable ones, that is. I mean, he obviously did plenty because he's a primark, God damn. But he had only a couple of notable ones. The first one that was pretty notable was the fact that he actually was the one who brought the Istvon system to heal. Oh. We know the Isvon system as the horrible massacres, but the system itself was under the guide. of the Ravenguard.

He was the one that brought it in line with the Imperial Truth, which was not very hard, because I think they were just humans, and they were like, we reject you, Imperium. Then they were like, never mind. Yeah, and then a Primark showed up

and they're like, well, actually, we are, we have become quite receptive to your dogma. Please stop killing us. That pretty much, they surrendered, and then he bought them in line.

Quickly, probably. Yeah. The one more interesting one was the battle of Gate 42. This was one of the first major deployments with Horace as the new war master newly elected and all that stuff. Or, you know, placed, I guess, not necessarily elected. But what it was was Horace was having Corvus, Zlima Russ, Berturabo, and someone else.

I don't quite, I don't really remember. I think that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's not important. But they were going to deal with these alien kind of Xenos creatures that were kind of controlling a couple of these worlds. There's a pretty tough engagement, really, really difficult one because some of these Zenos are pretty nasty.

And he asked to have Corvus lead the front lines. And Corvus was like, not really my thing, boss? Well, that's true, because he's more of a, they're more stealthy. They don't necessarily want to be the focal point at the front. lines and and be telling everyone what to do, right? Yeah, he doesn't, well, he doesn't want to be the first of the fray. That's not really their thing. Yeah, they just want to swoop around in the shadows as fast as possible and strike without being seen.

Yeah, and he tells Horace that he's like, that's not really my cup of tea. That's not really my thing. Like, I don't think it's a good idea. And then Petrabo was like, you're a goddamn coward, you, you imbecile. What, you're scared of fighting? What are you worried about losing something? some men, you idiot. I kill a tenth of my men all the time. He does. That's true. Isn't that wrong? He does. He did.

He did. The two of them got pretty mad. I think Lehman Russ kind of pushed them aside and was like, yeah, calm down, calm down. But Corvus was stuck with the, was saddled with front lines. So they sent him to fight and my God, were those Zenos prepared? They. Oh, no. So what Zenos are these? Just, unspecified xenos what? It's another one of those

Great Crusade random Zenos that died in the Great Crusade. Oh, okay. They just get genocide and are never heard from again? Pretty much. It's the classic case of those. Yeah. Okay. I don't remember exactly their name. It was like the the mind masters or

some kind of thing like that. Shrug. Yeah, just kind of controlling all of the various people on the planet. And it made it really really hard to get to get in there. But, you know, Corvus was like, all right, I'm stuck with this shit end of the deal. I'm going to deal with this. So the people he sent in the front lines were mostly the Terran-born ones.

Of course. Of course. Why not? Well, they were the ones that were the most apt to doing a frontline assault. They weren't the ones from deliverance. They weren't the more raven-guardi group. They were the ones who just run forward and are cool with that. That's true.

That's what they were trained for. They were from Tara. They were trained to be frontline soldiers. So you might as well use them what they're good at. Yeah. And so he did exactly that. And they got killed. They got slaughtered.

He lost a substantial amount of troops. and only with himself on the battlefield and some desperate final heroics was he able to actually breach the lines and get to the aliens. I love that. And boy, did they get killed? It was a bad gig all around.

Corvus. Oh, man. Corvus was none too happy. I'm sure. Did he go back to horse and be like, I told you so? I tried to tell you, but no. Are you going to listen to me?

No, still said, no, was he really sassy about it? Little, okay, Corvus is not the sassy type. Okay, fair, but still. He was very pissed, yes. Yeah. Ironically, it actually gave him a bit of a, bit of a hand in the upcoming events. A lot of the Terran-born Marines that were sent out

were the same. ones in the warrior lodges that Horace's group were also chilling in. And so with a lot of them dead, Horace's ability to sway Corvus and the Ravenguard towards chaos in the future was actually pretty blunted. Oh, so Corvus wouldn't trust Horace because like, oh man, you had no idea what you were doing, you sent me on the front lines, you got everybody killed, why would I join you? Is it kind of like that idea? No, not quite.

Like more, a lot of the heresy and issues kind of spread from internally. And then those kind of got made to the Primark. So a lot of the Terran-born Marines in his legion that were part of the warrior lodges and therefore would have become corrupted died here. Ah, okay. So it's like, gotcha. Like Horace's like grip on the Raven Guard and like influence on them waned really heavily because they all died. sure okay gotcha now does that mean

Corvus would have joined Horace I'd say probably not but it made it even harder chance if you if Horace was like oh yeah you're really good at being stealthy and stuff no no no let Corvus hang back and do his thing right it would have had a better chance rather than being like nah go in the front

fuck you right he definitely shot himself in the foot a little bit yeah definitely so regardless though, after that, and he had a bit of a punished legion after the battle at Gate 42, came another lovely, lovely situation that we like to call the drop site massacre. Ah, yes, lovely, lovely incident. Truly, just a bed of roses, rainbow sunshine, everybody hugging, just, hmm. You know?

Truly, that drop site massacre was just, ugh. starting to think you might be sarcastic here. Bricky me? So, Shut your ass up. Why, I am shocked. What could you say this about me? We're about to talk about the, we're about to talk about the Ravenguard just like dying.

And you're going to be like, whoa. No, I thought it was a fun. All right, all right. So, of course, you know, we've talked about the drop site mass. like 16 times already but yeah couple couple times well we'll do it again as we all know horace arrives he has his boys he has his death guard and world eaters and they're all fighting and and it's like go take them down go kill them and then they do and then and then and then good old night lords and word bearers and and uh iron warriors all turn on them lord gar lord gar

Stop shooting our troops, says the word bear. Lull, says the Iron Warrior. I don't think I will. I mean, to really put into respect, though, like, they were fighting this pretty tough battle. And then as a lot of, like, swas of Ravenguard backed up to allow them to be reinforced, you basically need to imagine them walking back up to the top of the hill. And then on that top of the hill is, like, all of those legions with bulk guns.

And they just start firing. indiscriminately. Yep. And they've got the high ground and there's just, you got no chance. You got no chance. I guess even if they didn't have the high ground, they still basically have no chance. It's just, that's just bad all around. The whole point of the dropside massacre was remove the pawns from the game.

Get rid of these legions. And Ferris Manus in the Iron Hands got crushed. Vulcan got crushed. And Corvus as well also. Well, Ferris Manus got ahead of himself. You got to make the hedge, no head? No head? No head.

Sorry. You got to. You can't just gloss over. I'm not, I'm not apologizing. I'm not apologizing. Ferris Manus fans, bad. Iron Hands fans, okay. Iron hands are a million times cooler than Ferris Manus.

Ooh. So, everybody, everybody's dead. Well, loyalists. They're dying. Well, if you remember, if you remember well, the first heretic book, you had the lovely, lovely fight between Lorgar and Corvus. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because Lorgar was out there with his galvore back, Argel Tall and all of his possessed guys. And Corvus was like, wow, this is awful.

I'm going to kill all of you. And he just starts like butchering them. And proceeds to. I mean, tears them apart, limb from limb, each of the Galvoreback. And Lorgar was like, oh, my God, my sons. Good luck. Good luck. So Lorgar in his bit stronger form now kind of goes up and battles Corvus Korax.

while Corvus then proceeds to trounce him. Yeah, he beats the ever-loving piss out of Lorgar. It's not even close from what I remember in the book, right? He is just getting absolutely worked over. I literally remember reading Corvus trying to kill and Lorgar trying desperately to stay alive. Yeah, trying to just survive. Yeah, Corvus is pretty metal when he fights. Like, not only does he have all of the, the,

wing, all of the claws and stuff, but he's got these giant, like, serrated, eviscerated wing jet packs that he uses his weapons as well. It's really cool. I love the jet packs on the Ravenguard. They're so great. And I'm, I mean, during this big old duel, he does shank Lorgard dead in the chest with a bunch of talons.

And the only reason, only reason he did not kill him was that Conrad Kerr has arrived to block his blow. with his sword. Yep. And then, you know, Corvus hit his jetpack, flew really high into the air away, and that was the end of the battle there. And then Conrad Curris was like, Lorgar, I hate you. I hate everything about you, and then he leaves.

As we all do, as we all do with Lorgar. Well-written villain, but we, oh, man. I've grown to love Lorgar, honestly, man. He is a bit of a slime ball. He's a bit of a slime ball. But he's a well-written. Like, he's a great villain. Like, he should be the villain of the story.

That's sort of holier than now sort of a jerk tyrant. I like, I like the guy who's just so unfathomably into himself. And, but, like, still kind of cares, but only cares so long as he is the one that has all the knowledge and is the kind one. Yep. Until someone, like, proves him wrong or he's whatever. And then he just blows his top and just Yeah, he's easily angered. But so after this

horrible dropside massacre and Corv is flying out of it, you know, his sons just get completely butchered. And he eventually boards the Thunder Hawk that's leaving barely, but that Thunderhawk gets shot down. And they land somewhere on the farther side

of the of Isvam, in which they are stuck there, him and a contingent of Ravenguard for like 90 days. Ooh, wow. Constantly being hunted by the traitors there trying to find them. But, you know, they're Ravenguards, so they're pretty good at hiding. Yeah.

And you've got a prime mark on your side, so you're good. Also true now. So they're doing pretty well at keeping themselves hidden for the most part until near the end where the worst person to possibly find him, finds him, which is Angron. Oh, of all the people. Classic Angron just finds him and starts to butcher his way up to him. But at the last seconds, they get airlifted by a couple of the ships said from the Raven Spire, and then they eventually escape.

You know, classic, like, last stand, they finally get a little type deal. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, just barely escape you. Who, man, yeah, you don't want to listen, I don't care how badass of a Primark you think you are. You do not want a 1V1 Angron. You barely want to like 1 100 v1 Angron. I mean actually I think a lot of a lot of primarks could give Angron a run for his money in the in a duel. Well, pre-Astension Angron. Yeah, ascension Angron is a whole like, yeah, nah.

A lot of, I mean, you know, well, Gilliman can't. Gilman hasn't won like a single Primark fight. Gilliman was getting absolutely obliterated by Angron. But like, I feel like the lion could probably take Angron even before, like, before in 30K. Oh, that's fair. Maybe the con, maybe, maybe Fulgrim. You think Fulgrim could take Angron? Like, Fulg is good, don't get me wrong, but Angron?

I always see Angron as more of a, like, okay, all right contestants and ahead of you is one million servitors whichever one of you can kill the most fastest wins I think Angron trounces everybody on that one. Yes, I think Angron definitely wins the slaughter a thousand troops in front

of you race. Yeah, definitely. But in a duel, it's a little more, yeah. Skulls for corn, you know? Yeah, definitely. Anyway, I'm sure many people will fight me on this, and that's okay. Who would win in a Primark duel is one of those, like, hardcore nerd arguments?

Like, can a lightsaber cut through Wolverine's Clause that I just don't want to get into? Well, they probably could, but he'd just regenerate them really quick, because he's Wolverine. D.K. Stoff. Well, I'm just saying, you asked the question. No, I did not. It was a hypothetical. Yeah, and I answered it, hypothetically.

Anyway. So, where were we? Not curs. Corvus. Corvus. Corax. Sorry, my nightlaw is coming out. So, Corvus, Korax had 80,000. and troops. Corvus Korax now has 5,000.

Ooh, boy. I mean, yeah, they were part of the drop site massacre, so it's like your Legion is going to get, if you survive that, your Legion has got to be absolutely toasted. He got walloped. And so he was taken completely

out of the Harris Horacee. And he needed to figure out, all right, how do I get more troops? Like, fast. Mm-hmm. So, he was taken to Terra, a little capsule or whatever, along with some of his troops, and he communed with the emperor, which was against a lot of other people's personal opinions, like Dorn and stuff, because the emperor was currently holding off the demons from Magnus's breakthrough.

Oh, yeah, yeah. The emperor was not in great spirits. You don't say. But he spoke with him, and the emperor told him, deep, deep down the vault of Terra, there is in fact un-mellested primark gene seat. Like not, it was assumed that they were all destroyed, but not this kind of stuff. This stuff is pure, like pure, perfect primark gene seat. Oh, that'll get you some troops real quick.

That'll get you some troops real fast. People will take to it faster. They'll handle the, the effect. better the whole nine yards. So, good old Corvus made 500 troops with this gene see as quick as he could. And they came out amazing. As well, they should. It's pure gene seed.

Just fantastic. They were strong. They were solid. The aspirants took to it really easily. They had a low death rate unlike normal space marine implantation. Also, how long has this pure gene seed been under there? And is there like a limited quantity of it? Like, could you only make 500 troops with it?

It's been there since the Primark projects to begin with. There is a limited quantity, but not for 500. Yeah, I was going to say, like, why hadn't they used it before now? Like, if it makes these super soldiers, why don't you just make everything out of this pure gene seed? I mean, there is still, it's left over from like the Primark project before the Primarks were made into separate entities, into people. It's just, there's just not enough. There's nothing left there.

Okay. But they made 500. They were the Raptors. Stuff was great. Things were cool. So then there was these snake dudes that were kind of like, how can we screw this up? There were these snake dudes They were like, how do we screw this?

Okay, tell me more about these snake dudes. Sounds like the, what is the layer? No, no, no, I mean Alfarious and Omagon. Oh, oh, okay, gotcha. I was thinking about the wrong serpent, sorry. So Alfarious and Omagon, during the time that they were hiding away in the Dropside Massacre, got Alpha Legion troops disguised as Ravenguard into the group. Oh no, of course they did.

God damn Alpha Legion. And so naturally they're seeing what's going on here and they were like, ooh. Not only would it be great to have some of that stuff for us, but it would even be funnier if we took this dark Mechanicum concoction of like demon blood and stuff and mixed it with all the gene seed. Oh, no. Wouldn't that be hilarious? Oh, yeah. That does not sound good. That sounds like an abomination waiting to happen.

Tell me more. Well, they did exactly that. And Corvus, none the wiser, made a bunch more Marines. And they came out wrong. Yeah, I, y'h. How did they turn out, Bricky? Oh, mutated beyond belief, horns, extra limbs, all kinds of awful, awful demonic crap. mental issues, so on and so forth.

All right, that's great. Okay, cool, cool. Yeah, pain existence. All right, we're back in Spain without the... Without the S. It was pretty bad. They were very bad. But Corvus, the guy that he is, the cool guy he is,

kind of love them all the same. Oh, that's nice. He let them still serve under different circumstances. He was like as awful as this has become you're still members of the Raven Guard You are still my sons I will treat you well All those kinds of things Biggie could learn a thing or two from old Corvus Biggie could learn a thing or two

Biggie could learn a good dad Well yeah imagine that Imagine being a good dad in 40K Absolutely shocking Yeah, that is the most grim, dark thing I've heard since the start of this podcast. So for the rest of Horace heresy, Corvus didn't do much. He helped run some hit-and-run attacks, did a little bit of stealth combat, help with the lion a little bit. But, you know, he wasn't really there during the siege of terror during the final climax, much like the lion wasn't and a few others.

Yeah. As we know, Horace Dirt, where's my, here it is. Horace dies. Dries a horrible death. The emperor goes to the throne. Classic stuff.

Classic, classic. So, after that, with nothing really left to do and finally, the Ravenguard returning to a decent force after the heresy, it then came time for Gilemon in to take over and create the,

I think it's the second founding. It's the one where he splits up all the chapters into groups of a thousand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that the horse can never happen again, blah, blah, blah, yeah. Right, no amount of power. Yeah. Gives too much to one man. Corvus didn't love this, but he begrudgingly accepted it,

which is the case of a law of the primarks. Yeah, sure. Split his groups up, but there was the downside. What do we do with the mutants? I was about to ask, like, what happens to the mutant soldiers that got, you know, that Papa, Papa still loves you, don't worry. I was, I was going to ask, but this may be jumping the gun if there was, like, if they're, like, special tabletop minis for these mutated guys. But something tells me that they're all going to be liquefied and burning fire because they're mutants and they never get a mini.

Here, let me, let me actually show you. their mini. Oh, they do have a mini. Let's go! Yes, let me go ahead. Give me a moment. I thought for sure that at some point, some Imperium creep would find him and convince Gilliman to, like, you know, murder them and melt them an acid or something. Are you ready? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's their many. Oh, boy. All right. That's... Okay, Bricky. It was the perfect set of. I'm sorry, I had to. I don't... I don't much like you right now.

I don't much care for you right now, Brickie. Corvus did not know how to deal with it, and eventually after so much time trying to figure out what was the right concept, he realized the only way he could deal with this and to atone for his sins was to give them the emperor's mercy. And to kill all of his mutated sons. Oh man, that's that, well that sucks. They weren't living great lives to begin with all of the mutated sons.

True. But with the slow religious fervor that the Imperium was starting to adopt, post-death emperor, this would not have gone well at all. Yep. At some point, someone would have come along and killed them anyway, and Corvus might have been marked as a horrendous. retical prime arc for housing mutants. And yeah, at some point the Imperium would have found him and been done too pleased about it.

So Corvus now so racked with guilt, eventually exiled himself into his Ravenspire Tower to just like honestly pray to for forgiveness for the emperor. Like anything to anything against for his soul. Oh, so he exiles himself because he has. to kill his mutant kids? Yep. He's begged for the recently ascended emperor's mercy, as it said. Wow. Corpus is a good dad.

After that, one year to the day after exiling himself to the tower, he left. Never ever to be seen again as his, and I swear to God, as his last recorded words were never more. Wow, on the nose. Never more. Never more. Never more. I know. I mean, caw, I would have preferred. All right, GW. Okay. Okay. Sure. Sure. Why not? All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. I know. I know. I know, dude. It got me. It's just so heartwarming. It's just so tragic.

So everyone doesn't really know where he went But Korax, we know where he went Corax. He took up his role as justice made manifest Took his time in the Raven Spire And decided to enter the Eye of Terror In pursuit of the traitor legions In particular, the son of a bitch

In the goddamn tower, Lorgar Hell yeah, hell yeah And long, long exposure of the warp has mutated him to much more of the vibe that we expect you know, it's your mental, it's your thoughts it's your concepts

made pure. Yeah. And so Lorgar can do all kinds of wacky stuff. He's mutated and weird. He can literally turn into a giant flock of ravens. He moves like a wispy mass sometimes if he wants to. He's almost like bellicor, honestly.

It's very cool though. Also I always get a mixed up. A flock of ravens, is that a conspiracy of ravens? Yeah, I think it's a conspiracy of ravens and a murder of crows. It's actually a conspiracy of ravens. It's what you call like a group of them, right? What is a raven's conspiracy? Now, a group of ravens is called an unkindness, but you can also refer to them as a rave, conspiracy, treachery, or flock.

Love it. I love those weird names for like groups of animals. like moose and meese or no what like a murder of crows did you know a group of giraffes it's called a tower of giraffes well that one's pretty on the nose yeah I like that one but yeah anyway

sorry we're a little off topic but uh shai makes a good point yeah Lorgar says that Corvus is not a demon yeah he's not like it's hard to describe because I say the word demon because I think of like demon bird but he's not a demon as we know in 40K,

he is a a like refined version of his mental psyche and his mental psyche screams for murder. He's like, well, okay,

so when Corvus goes into the warp, he gets like essentially warp refined and now he's got all these crazy powers, but he's not a demon so he's not chaos so he can still be a primark, right? Exactly.

Well, I mean, whether he's accepted as a primark is one thing, but, Maybe more Primarks need to take a dip in the warp pool then. Get them some freaky-ass powers, you know? You know, it couldn't hurt. I don't, I think it could hurt.

It could hurt quite a bit. I'm curious, how would Gilliman get, like, warp refined? Do you think you'd just get a better suit that goes over as, like, armor or something like that? How would Gillen get a warfined? He would get a warp tux, and then he would go to the warp version of Goldman Sachs Bank in New York. Oh man. If ultra-marine fans weren't angry with me enough already, oh boy. Anyway.

The lion got his teleport powers type stuff. Oh, right. Because he was in the warp for a little bit. That's true. Oh, Shai would like to add a few things on Corex's personality if you'd like to read this. Oh, sure. Oh, wow. That is a wall of text, but I got you.

Korax, one of the few primarks who actually had maternal figures in his life. since he was raised by the village and also had a major mother figure in a woman named Nosturi, who he saved from a slaver by literally ripping his head off. Oh, good on you. She was one of the few people who would be able to talk down to him and tell him to chill out if he got out of hand. Thanks to being around decent people, personally experiencing lots of tyranny firsthand, he actually turned out as one of these few stable prime marks, who was by the most part rational, though sometimes prone to out. outbursts of pride. That was mainly because he was a freedom fighter at heart who was convinced that he is on

the right side of history and that the ends justify the means. In many ways, he's close to curves, but, you know, not pans on the head insane. Pants on the head insane. And he also really cared about the people, and especially his sons, which eventually led to his depressive downfall. Yeah, he seems like a good guy, a good prime. Like, it's like, man, if only Corvus Korax could have been like head of the Imperium, maybe, you know, things would have been different. It's one of those, um, it's one of those things where people often talk about Corvus and Kerr's.

And it's one of the things that Corvus sometimes thinks about a lot where he's like, if I landed on the stramo instead, would I be just like him? And if Kerr's landed on, on deliverance and had maternal figures and wasn't, you know, scrounging around in the, events of a hive world eating rats and people, would he have turned out better? That's kind of the question. Probably. I mean, because, like, Nostromo, that sucks. Nistrammo sucks. If you're going to survive on Nistramo, you're going to end up the way Kurs did.

Like, there's just, there's kind of no two ways about it. Well, I don't think it's necessarily about the planet. Don't forget, he was on a slave world. Corvus was. True. But again, at least he had those. eternal figures that like, you know, that he cared about. Like on Nostromo, Kurs had nothing and no one, but like just the savagery of death, right?

I think it's definitely like an upbringing thing or a raising thing. Curz got the gangs and Corvus got the slaves, but at least the slaves kind of worked with each other and helped each other out. Yeah. Nature versus nurture. Sure. Sure. But at the moment, uh, Lorgar is actually.

pretty insane. He, Lorgar right now is, no, I don't mean mentally. Like, like, like,

Lorgar, who's the, the really tall dude from 300, the villain? Oh, um, uh, I forget his name.

It starts with an X. Xerxes. Zerxes. Yes. Lorgar is like that. His skin is like bright gold. Now. Ah,

and he thinks himself a god. He, he is basically, I think we've seen that image of Lorga with all the big horns and stuff, but they describe him more in the book where he fights Corvus as a lot more of like a Xerxes vibe.

Oh, okay. Which I think is pretty fun, but yeah, Corvus is on his tower, murdering all the word bearers there in this crazy demon bird form. And eventually the two of them fight again, but

Lorgar is a lot better now than he was before. Yeah. still couldn't beat him and had to run back into his tower again and so now Lorgar is current or Nor Corvus now was for a while around the around the tower trying to get at him

as Lorgar as he left had two ruins flare on the door blocking him that says deny fate and so Lorgar says Lorgar says deny fate and Corvus, for the longest time, was genuinely doing a, Let me in, Lorgar!

I'm going to kill you. I'm going to rip your bones from your body. I just posted that meme and I was like, that is the most appropriate gift to post ever. The let me in! I think Lorgar has left. I believe in our current timeline, he's out doing awful. chaos things in the real space again. Lorgar is like insanely juiced

right now. He's arguably one of the strongest primarks after all this time. Oh, wow. He got juiced up that much by chaos, huh? Lorgar is like a shadow of his, or his old Lorgar is a shadow of his new stuff. He is literally like

haloed by chaos warp fire. The dude is insane. I don't know if I've seen a picture of modern Lorgar? Well, I don't know there's a really bad... There's a really bad picture of him with horns, but that's about it.

I think... And yeah, I don't even think those are canon anymore. I think we've got to wait till Lorgar comes into the story more. Right, right. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. So when he comes back, he is going to be, like, a rampaging force. Like, it's going to be very hard to stop Lorgar. He's not going to be sort of the Primark punching bag that he used to be.

Not in the slightest. I would imagine This might be a bit of a bet But I think out of all the current primarks That we have on the tabletop Like Mortarian Magnus and Angron I think he is the strongest Of them all

But for like different reasons Well yeah because he's chaos juice Like to the gills I'm actually kind of surprised The chaos guys don't The chaos puts so much effort into Abidon They surely be putting it into Lorgar Maybe Lorgar just doesn't care

He wants to read books Probably Probably Well, regardless, that's where Corvus is at right now. Corvus is still hunting down as many traitors as he can after getting ultra depression from murdering a lot of his sons and, or executing. Sounds like a better word. Yeah, fair and valid, fair and valid. And yeah, Corvus is interesting.

I'm upset that he has as little lore as he does. Yeah, because he sounds like such an interesting character that, like, man, it'd be nice if he had more. lore. Yeah, but he got a lot of the he got a lot of the, well, yeah, he actually has the perfect quad section of issues

when it comes to lore, which is no dedicated book for his upbringing. Found lay in the crusame, killed slash massively hurt in the drop site massacre, and also is not currently in the current day 40K, as he is whereabouts on

known, like Dorn and Lehman and Khan. It almost sounds like one of those cases where they didn't really have a lot planned for him. So they're just like, let's hit him with the, let's hit him with the quadfecta of, don't have to worry about him for a while. And then we'll burn the bridge when we get to it. I feel like compared to a lot of the other primarks, we're not going to be seeing Corvus for a while, which is unfortunate. But I kind of get it only because the other primar.

have a lot more, like Dorn has a lot of lore comparatively. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually excited for when Dorn comes back. His mini is going to be tight, tight, tight, tight. Yeah, I mean, shy is right. GW did say that every Primark

who's not dead is coming back, which I believe, but considering that we were getting a primark like once an addition, and that's like every three years, I'll talk to you when Corvus comes back in 10 years. Nine years, yeah. I was going to say, see you in a decade, folks.

I hope we're still doing this in a decade, by the way, to cover that. That genuinely might not even be too far from the truth. Oh, really? That's unfortunate. I mean, it might take a decade. It really might, because if, let's say, let's say it's every three years starting now. Oh, yeah, actually, yeah. Dorn, Kahn, Lehman.

I mean, Dorn and Lehman and the con probably will come back for, maybe a Vulcan. God damn it. Oh, so it might be more than 10 years, bro. It might be a real long time. Oh, man, poor Corvus. Unless he gets a lot of love. My boys for. And meanwhile, we have Petrolamo and stuff.

Anyway, Corvus is a cool guy. He's, it's kind of a tragic feeling because he is such a bring down. the oppressors kind of guy, but now we're in 40K, which is oppressor is its middle name. Yeah. So, it's, it'll be a fun thing to talk about when we talk about the Ravenguard, where it sucks that they are who they are in the world because they're so, like, Lalo the tyrant.

Yeah, it, there's this just, like, there's this, like, overhanging feeling of, like, bittersweet with, like, Corvus Corax and the Ravenguard. It's not like full on ultra depression, but it's like, it's almost like this black cloud that just sort of hangs over. Like, you know, it's like, it's not super ultra depressing, but it's like, oh man, it's not good either. It's not, it's not great at the end regardless. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, next week, Ravenguard. We'll talk more about the Ravenguard and all of their really fun, silly, stealth things that are put on 500-pound soldiers.

Yeah, you're not going to get me with the quote next time. I'm ready. Yeah, let's go. Let's change the episode of. Oh, no, don't do that. Please don't, please. I look stupid and on my own. Please, give me a right.

Hell yeah, we both do. Let's go. Let's go. Stupidity rules.