Adeptus Ridiculous - CRIMSON SLAUGHTER: I DON'T WANT TO KILL! I DON'T WANT TO KILL! | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousFormerly a loyalist Space Marine Chapter known as the Crimson Sabres, the Crimson Slaughter were declared to be a Renegade Chapter in M41 following signs of psychological instability and overly-zealous activities during their campaigns. They were ultimately excommunicated from the Imperium after the events on the world of Umidia. There, they purged the planet's entire population after coming under the belief that they had been tainted by the Ruinous Powers. However subsequent intelligence indicated that Chaos Cults on the planet were indeed in the process of summoning a powerful Daemon of Khorne. Khorne, either as a reward or revenge for massacring his followers, cursed the Crimson Sabres to be haunted by the voices of all those they killed. Only further bloodshed could silence the voices, and even that was temporary. Thus the Chapter Master Sevastus Kranon led his followers into the Eye of Terror to gain a temporary peace among the realm of Chaos rather than remain in Imperial space and risk harming further innocents.Support the show

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I was less that way, and for reasons you already know of. I sure do. Good reasons. Good reasons, indeed. Good reasons, but still stressful, busy, ah, reasons. Yeah, the usual ones. When will we Considering that both you and shy

Are also in a sense V-tubers as well Was I always part of the V-tuber world Technically and now we're just different Uh no No you know you are always You are a very prominent part of it now though Brother whew

You shit Damn Now you are for sure Now more than any of us You jeesh You might as well You might as well Kitch yourself a V-tuber

were avatar at this point. I will never be tempted. Speaking of temptation, our episode today is a fun one. This was one specifically requested by shy. It is not orcs. Oh, whoa. Wow. It is also something that I am positive you have seen as in like at some point in our

episodes you have seen this image before and you were like, ah, this was like, it's a very classic image. But we are covering a particular, oh, she says it's the very first Warhammer miniature box she has ever purchased, which is fascinating. And it's not orcs, right? It's not orcs. I mean, the first one I bought was a Grey Knight Strike Squad. Okay.

What was the first miniature box you ever bought? actually. I'm kind of curious. Was it a Ksons? Yep. It was, I think it was the start collecting Ksons. Okay, okay. That's pretty, it's pretty classic. But anyway, I do have a quote for you. It's one of those ones where you just straight up will not get the topic of today's video, but I want you to see

you can at least get the faction. Okay. So you can see the faction. All right. I see fear in their eyes. right before they die. I see shock as they realize too late what it is to pit their pitiful strength

against true power. The character is blank blank, Cranan, Cronin the Relentless. Blank, blank, Cronin the Relentless, huh? Mm-hmm. This seems like it could be a corn thing. Right? Like, this seems like it could be like

a named character for, uh, Like, yeah, it seems like it could be like a KORN's chaos space marine deal. Oh, okay. Okay. Um, that, that's pretty much correct. Let's go. I mean, I don't know who it is specifically, but, you know. No, no, I mean, that's about right.

Yeah. Um, this is an episode today on a specific chaos war. band known as the crimson slaughter. Ooh, let's go. Which, you know, that's about right. That's about right. That is the image I was referring to earlier, specifically that image. Now, if you have ever seen the Chaos Space Marine Codex supplement type thing, it looks very, very similar.

Actually, I think this is the image for it. them. Yeah. Basically. Ooh, that, that image goes hard. I really just like how he's,

like, racking the bolter, too. Mm-hmm. It's just, it's just, like, a very, uh,

minute detail of him just, um, you know, pulling back the, the hammer, whatever it is. I don't know, the,

I'm bad with guns, uh, the term to eject the shell. And it's just like, ah, what a classic, like, I've done my business.

Kching. Kachunk. Um, but the Crimson Slaughter are, uh, a very funny chapter. of, well, not chapter, I guess, war band of the Space Marines, or of the Chaos Space Marines.

They have been very prolific back in the days of sixth edition specifically. They had an entire supplement, a Codex supplement all the way back in Sixth Edition, which is 2014. Oh, my bones. They're bones. I mean, my bones. That was over 10 years ago. You know, actually, I'm thinking it's the 10 year anniversary of the Crimson Slaughter Space Marines. So, hey, hey, hey.

Hooray. It's been a decade, everyone. Yippee! Can you believe him? Good news. We're still alive. Can you mean Mass Effect 3 came out in 2012? Wow. I almost felt like Mass Effect 3 came out longer ago. So I'm okay with 2012 because I was like, oh, man. Oh, damn. All right. That must have been over. I'm replaying Mass Effect 1 right now in 2007, and so I'm just like, ugh, my bones.

Anyway, so the Crimson Slaughter, they have a very funny upbringing. And I think that's kind of one of the reasons Shai was like, we should do this episode, because it's just, it's kind of goofy, but in like a 40K way. So the Crimson Slaughter was originally known as the Crimson Sabers. They were a loyalist space marine chapter. They were, there is unknown what their primark was. We don't know their original time frame, release, not that I'm aware of.

Their founding came in the 13th founding, also known as the Dark founding. This was during M35, M36, which I think it's around the Doge Van Dyer era. I think Agent Apostasy is around there. Oh, okay. So, do you remember who, else came from that founding, the exorcist and the death specters.

Oh. The exorcist that put demons into them to learn how to defend themselves and the despectors that are cold-hearted bastards that have to defend the ghoul stars. Yippee. Oh, man. Yes, to recruit to the breeding worlds and things like that. So they come from that founding, the 13th founding. Wow, not a lot of great things came out of the dark founding, huh?

Just a lot of, ooh. Yeah, not the greatest folks. In fact, there's three. There are the exorcists, the Death Specters, and the Crimson Sabres. Those are the three. And they're all a little insane in the brain. I was going to say, so they all got a little muffed up, huh? None of them really turned into a great loyalist group.

They all just kind of... Yeah. Well, no, Exorcists and Death Specters are loyal. They're just insane. Exactly. And they do stuff that kind of looks, you know, traitorish. Yeah, I mean, don't worry about. So the Crimson Sabres were at the time a classic case of the very annoying Space Marine chapter.

And by this, I mean, they were really into themselves. Now, as a brand new chapter, here's one thing. Out of all of the seven deadly sins, I feel like Loyalist Space Marines biggest one, it's easily pride. Oh, absolutely pride. They're so into themselves. And like, you know, no matter what, you'll hear a space room be like, ah, do not worry about the thoughts of others. But in reality, they're, they're only out there trying to get glory. No, they're fancy laurels. That's all they often care about. I mean, they care about the fame of the imperial, but God damn. Yeah. But they, hey, they'll, they will more than happily trample innocent civilians if it means getting the warmaster to

safety. Yes. Trample, kill him. Who cares? Get the Warmaster to safety. I mean, pride is all that matters, especially in the 41st millennium. Not all that matters. You know what I mean.

It's a big part. It's a huge part. Yeah. Now, it's a little tough to be prideful of your chapter when you are a brand new chapter that's just arrived. Like, oh, hey, we're the Crimson Sabres recently made in the 13th founding. We have about a couple hundred campaigns. That's cool.

but now everyone else like the ultramarines and dark angels are have like tens of thousands of campaigns and are so much better than us and they treat us kind of like shit ah you haven't done anything yet you haven't earned anything yet big brother doesn't respect you everybody kind of looks down on you got you i mean it's almost like like when you and i read a book and it's like oh yeah it's the self-founding chapter, the Marines errant, and you're just like, who? The whole what? And then you just think to yourself, like, oh, cool, here's a random side chapter that will allow our antagonists to beat the shit out of because they're not ultramarines, you know?

Much. It's like, oh, hey, it's this faction I've never heard of, or this guard group I've never heard of by the end of the book. Yeah, they all got wiped out and killed. or so many of them got killed, they just scattered and went to different guard regiments. It's like, oh, well, that's why we've never heard of them. Yeah. And so because of that, it doesn't make for great morale when it comes to that part of their founding.

So, naturally, like, the Crimson Sabres are literally just the faction that you would put in a book to have a chaos group beat that crap out of. Oh, wow. Good, good for them. All right. Yeah. I mean, they are unimportant. And for the most part, it, it kind of hurts. It hurts their feelys.

They're not stoked about that kind of thing. And so they become really insular and paranoid and annoying. Anytime anyone like looks at them weird, they take it as like a slight because they're not, you know, they're just not that kind of, of group. So they just get ragged on so hard and so often because they haven't had enough campaigns, they couldn't get anything going, that it literally turns them into just this ultra paranoid. Like, if you even shoot them a wrong glance, they might like draw on you. So, I mean, it's more like, it's kind of their own fault. They're so prideful in their own stuff that, but while not having as many options as everyone else, there is a lot of things where they just they feel super. you know, just generally

slight it against for all the small things. There was a really, yeah, there was a really big incident that kind of rolled with this that came from none other than the most prideful of space marine chapters, the dark angels. Oh.

Um, shy, would you like to do the, the quick write-up on it? Or did you already have that ready? Yeah, of all the, of all the chapters you could slight or have something bad happen. with, who had to be the dark angels, huh?

The dark angels, I mean, they, I mean, they're the first, right? They're always like, ah,

the first, the first. They're all so special and important. And then I do know of the stuff they do with the dark angels later on in the, in their transformation, but not the inciting one. While she's rolling that up, uh,

one of the, um, there was, it was something I believe called the amaglimation schism, uh, for it. a breach of protocol by other adeptus Astardis, which I'm assuming

is this Dark Angel's thing. And what happened there, the Chapter Master, a guy named Ngealous, I think is how it's said. I don't know. N-I-G-E-L-L-U-S. Their Chapter Master's name is the jealous? I don't know. It was Nigel,

maybe. Oh, well, it's just the jealous seems very fitting for, you know. I guess, like Nigelus, N-N-Jalous, I don't know. I mean, it's N-I-G-E-L-U-S, so like the jealous sounds like how that would be said.

Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm going to think of it. I'm sure it's pronounced differently, but the fact that I can pronounce it as jealous in a way is... It's very fitting for them. I would almost prefer it that way, because it's just, it's so on the nose, but it's just so like, oh, yeah, that, uh, yep, I see, I see what you're doing there, G-dub.

But what he did was in order to stop the chat. self-doubt and kind of make a statement about themselves, he severed ties to all other space marine chapters and stayed completely loyal to their Imperium. They removed all ties to their founding chapter and entirely was like, we're not going to deal with these other space marines anymore. We're cutting ties. We're going to do our own shit. Oh, that seems like it would have the reverse effect where it would just make everybody really kind of hate you more. It depends on the

depends on the group, you know? Yeah. Because that just seems like a thing where it's like, oh, you're cutting ties with us? I'm one of the greatest sons of the imperial. How could you do that? Man, we hated you before because you ain't done shit. Now we really hate you because you're disrespecting us too.

You know how grumbly they are. But ah, would you like to read the the Dark Angels campaign here? Sure. TLDR, they participated in a campaign with the Dark Angels and some Crimson Sabres stumble upon interrogator chaplain torturing the living F out of innocent civilians probably searching for the fallen.

Sabers tell Dark Angels to fuck off and leave the civilians alone and the Dark Angels like, who the fuck are you and how dare you not let us investigate the fallen? You kids are fucked. they started killing each other until inquisans showed up and chased both off. This made Sabers even more paranoid because a firstborn super important top tier chapter of Dark Angels now hated them and considered them stupid, naive meddling kids. And we know how the Dark Angels feel about people knowing their stuff. Oh, that's true. The Crimson Sabres would know all about like their secrets and the fact that they're going for the fallen.

And, oh, even though the crimson sabres are totally in the right for being like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's not murder and torture innocent civilians. That's not a space marine thing to do. Ooh, that's, oh, that sucks, dude. So obviously the Dark Angels and them are not huge friends. And so they, you know, cut themselves off from other Space Marine chapters. And they continue to go on through these crusades. and things get even generally worse because eventually despite, you know, how many times they've proven themselves in battle, they're still being critiqued by other chapters. And things got worse when they were away on a crusade and their home world was invaded entirely by demons, which required a lot of their home system to be exterminatist, including their home and fortress monastery as well.

Oh man, they just cannot catch a break. No, and obviously their whole place being invaded by demons is, doesn't bode well for their loyalty because it's their whole place invaded by demons. Oh, so now is everybody questioning their loyalty because, oh, well, demons invaded your place. You know, not only is it embarrassing, but it's like, ooh. Yeah, it's both. It's suspicious. Then we came to the lovely world of Umedia. Umidia, umidia, umidia? Um, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go umidia.

So, sounds like something you catch, not a planet. That three shots of penicillin will clear you of that umidia. Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, Lenin died from omidia in the brain. Okay. Not John Lennon. He died differently. No, that's a different something to the brain.

Um, wasn't he shot in the chest? Was he? I don't know, well. Ah, whatever. Um, No media. So this was a jungle world, and they got a distress call, and then they got a lot more distress calls, and then they got a lot of distress calls, and then they got a lot of distress calls in which all of the available warriors in the entire chapter the Crimson Sabers arrived, and they found, God damn, a lot of corruption. It was pretty bad.

And so because the Crimson Sabres are so methodical, they decided that the best way to deal with this situation was to kill the people. people causing the corruption and then kill a few other people causing the corruption. And then a little bit later, they realized that they were like, hey, literally the entire citizenship of the entire planet were worshiping cults of chaos. And so they killed every single person on the planet. Well, I mean, if everybody's a chaos cultist, I mean, that makes sense. At that point, I thought you're going to be like, oh, yeah, they just were like, exterminatus the damn planet, whatever, who cares, they're all cultists anyway.

But that tracks. That, yeah, okay. Sure, sure. Unfortunately, directly after their purge, yeah, I must say they exterminatedautist it manually. Manually. Yeah, they chose the stab everyone the death option. Oh, we could still use this planet once we'd kill all the civilians.

Unfortunately, after this, the Inquisitors and Ordo Hereticus were sent there, and they found absolutely no evidence that they were worshippers of any of the dark gods. Oh no. And to them, the crimson savers were not just eradicating out cult, but were instead absolutely just butchering the populace. Ooh. I'm sure you're about to tell me, but like, were they just tricked?

Were they actually not cultists? Or was it just, you know, they're just like, you know, we're all really embarrassed of those crimson sabers. Let's just pretend. And then this is a great reason to just, exile them or kill them and get rid of them. Foreshadowing is a literary device that can be utilized in the podcasts. So with this, after this, the Crimson Sabres began to experience really weird symptoms.

Their hearts would race to the highest levels for no reason. They would get this weird feeling of foreboding and this weird pressure would go on their minds. Eventually, they started getting what they would call the hunting. Which made it say they could not clear their minds. And you know how space brings to that thing where they don't sleep, but they have like that weird meditative thing that they use for sleep? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They couldn't use that anymore for sleep.

And instead, they were being haunted by the faces and voices of those they had killed during the massacre. Genuinely, every waking moment eventually was all the screams and the pleads of the dying that they murdered and slaughtered on chlamydia. Oh, boy. I like how we're just calling it chlamydia now. We're not even trying to call it humydia anymore. But yeah, that must

be a miserable existence. Holy. Like, you thought you were a paranoid mess before. It's like, oh, congratulations. Now you just see dead citizens begging and screaming and haunting your every waking dream. Great, great. How could this... Anyway, sorry,

getting in a little sarcasm, but go on. It works. I mean, it's a bad time. Yeah, it's awful. And, but like, with all of these voices and all of these bad awful things going on, the chapter master, a guy, the chapter master crannon that I mentioned, he decided, okay, got to stop their warp travel currently and steer back towards umidia and go for their sister planet called Demetra.

They would try to find clues for the contamination and the cold stuff. and be able to like see if they could use them as a way to like deal with the chaos worshiping cults and and offer them up that they were righteous and correct and that the inquisition was wrong and stupid and during the trip back you know the chaplains and stuff kind of help try to clear whatever was haunting their brain um unfortunately it didn't work and things got worse they went more insane and instead when they got to demetra they were so paranoid and so crazy. They made planet fall as absolutely frothing madmen and in trying to get rid of the harrowing memories decided to just slaughter the entire populace. Oh, okay. We repeat, manual exterminatists. Yeah, the manual, the rarely used manual exterminatus. Ooh, so everybody on their sister planet is just dead now. And this obviously does not help clear their name. Well,

you know, yeah, the instinctive attempt to burn away the harrowing memories of haunted them. They forgetful of all their plans intent to a single undertaking. Slaughter. Slaughter. Yeah. But to the crazed astonishment of everyone,

when they butchered everybody, the voices went away. Oh, no. The haunting voices went away when they engaged in pure butchery. I see. Okay.

Now, well, with this, the Inquisitionist stuff was like, okay, that's enough from you. You're excommunicata traitorous. You are an absolute traitor. Holy hell, we will kill you all on site. Yeah.

I was going to say, yeah, at this point, they're probably not like, oh, well, there's the proof. Welcome back, guys. Right? That's, yeah, it's all the proof you need. And so with that, they ironically were still, in a sense, loyal to the Imperium. They still believed in the Imperium. And so they sent an urgent message to the homeworld and said, flee if you are able. Because everyone there was basically sentenced to death.

So they basically tried to tell their entire fortress, get out, get out now. we're probably not coming back from this. So, you know, just bail. Yeah. Curse you. Sorry. Curse you, bail. But so with that, they decided the best course of action would be to vindicate themselves and go out in a kind of blaze of glory in order to really like, you know, clean their name and show that they were still loyal.

So they flew to the place that had the most traitors possible. Can you guess where that is? Smack dab in the eye of terror. He's so good. He's so good today. Let's go. Bada bade a boom. They drove their asses directly to the eye of terror,

then say that no more innocent lives would be lost. They would only murder the hell out of traitors and the blockade of imperial fitness. cruisers that were currently holding them, and went down out of terror and absolutely completely psychotically enraged, murdered

everybody, which chaos space marine mutant did not matter. Whatever was in the eye of terror and was around the warp got bodied. Guys, we swear only traitors after the Iron fist blocking.

Yeah, and I mean, unfortunately, you know, what happens when you spend a little bit too much time in the eye of terror? Nothing good. A little, maybe a few mutations, you know? Yeah, maybe some new voices in your head along with the ones that are already paranoid. Maybe a few new screaming faces that weren't there before, you know, stuff like that, I imagine, too. Just a couple issues like that.

And, you know, they also decided afterwards to cut a deal with someone. Um, he's he, he's a bit fabulous. Oh, no. They kind of deal with Bile? And, you know, because they needed more recruits. And now Bile certainly helped make them some new recruits. No doubt. And I'm sure there was nothing wrong with the recruits, right?

They weren't psycho. They weren't mutated, right? Yeah. And eventually after enough time of their mutations, by the Billman himself mixed with the effects of the eye of terror. Eventually, the chapter master was like, you know what? This is awful. Doom is set for a whole chapter.

I changed my mind. I don't want to die. I want to live. I denounce the Imperium. I instead am choosing that I would seek a way to cure the madness in our group. We are no longer the Crimson Sabres. We are now the Crimson. Crimson Slaughter.

Mm. Cranon. It's just full, full descent. Yeah, Chapter Master Crenon, Cranon. Full descent into chaos. Yes. The original quote was Chaos Lord Cranon. Ah, why that many is sick.

But yes, not everyone was stoked about that. Some were more loyalist and they did not, you know, do particularly well. There was also another commander, a guy named Barkman, who they had a duel to fight over leadership, and they died as well, or the Barkton guy.

Another guy, Captain Desartton, I think, also was a big issue, and they had their own. In fighting with chaos, you know the deal. Oh, sure, sure. Also, I was curious. So they make a deal with Fabius Bile, right? Bile gives them a bunch of troops. What does

Bile get in return? Or is Bile just like, oh, hey, I'll I'll give you guys a bunch of troops And it's all just chaos inflicted And it's just like, oh yeah, you guys are gonna Totally fall Basically, bodies

Bile would create new space marines If he gave them bodies to do so with. Oh, okay. So, you know, turning them into lovely new initiates. Yep, yippee. Yum. But then with the, you know, infighting that occurred,

they now arrived on the Space Hulk called Lost Hope and that is their new main base of operations, a gigantic space Hulk. That is such an appropriately named ship for them too. I find this next part to be hilarious. So they were eventually

confronted at a place called Baines Landing, well, I think Bain's Landing came later actually, but they got the chance to fight the Dark Angels again. Their old hated nemesis. And because all the warp and the voices

like, oh my God, the civilians Mason, what do they mean? The screaming civilians. They were looking for something called the Hellfire Stone. This was a special artifact that they believed could reduce and remove the maddening voices and

fix them. So they captured a fallen angel. Guy named Turyo. They tried to capture Cipher, but they couldn't. And The fallen, like, you know, it was a fallen. Yeah, yeah. Which, well, yeah, it's a big deal, right?

Yeah, yeah. And it would naturally draw the dark angels to you because they want the fallen. They don't want the fallen talking to you. Nobody should know about that. We need to get it and kill it. And, you know, the former dark angel was like, yo, what's up, dude? I will give you the hellfire stone if you don't kill me. You know, if my freedom, I'll give you the stone. Instead, more interested in murdering dark angels, Cranon, chapter master, no, sorry, not chapter master anymore. Chaos Lord Cranon was like, better idea, brother. Give me more of the fallen.

Tell me where more fallen are at so that I can hunt them down and slaughter them and leave them out in the open so that dark angels can find them so I can show that I know about their past. Ooh. Okay. Okay. That's pretty cool. See,

I thought he was going to try and use the fall in his bait to get the dark angels to come to him so he could kill as many dark angels as possible. But that works too. I mean, it worked. The dark angels found out about this, appeared, and then he sprung his ambush and killed their fifth company captain,

Zadakiel, Zadakiel. and basically getting to repay his grudge. So it worked. He beat the show of some dark angels and got what he wanted. Hey, good for you, buddy. Good for you. So with that, he went back to go look for the stone again, obviously.

And then as he finally figured out the stone and acquired it, they got attacked by more dark angels at the Battle of Baines Landing. It's a, you know, they were sent into a retreat. Doesn't really matter. Point being, he got the stone. And with it there, he soon realized as he was working and acquiring the Hellfire Stone, he had this little epiphany that he was not, well, not sane, that's for certain. Yeah, that ship has sailed. That ship has really sailed.

That he was in fact not being of his own volition and that he was being used. because he attempted to wash the Hellfire Stone with the blood of space marines and saw the skies go black and a bigger twitching agitation from the inner voices and realized that instead this ritual was not a ritual to save them from their madness but to summon demons of corn. Oh, cool. I guess that's true because it's like, oh yeah, it's the Hellfire. Stone. Why would the Hellfire Stone make you more sane? It's a Hellfire Stone, brother. Yes. Turns out in that ritual, those were the same words that they saw on Umidia from the cults. They were right all along. The original cult they slaughtered were patrons of corn and they stopped a cornite ritual. I was kind of wondering if that wasn't where they caught this from and they were right all along, but in being right and being near all of the cultists and all that chaos nonsense for so long,

they got infected by it. Well, it's kind of a funny question, right? You could almost wonder like, hey, did they get infected by this ritual as punishment from corn or as a thank you? Oh, that's true, because they manually exterminated it, and corn would have loved that. Corn would have been like, oh, bravo, bravo, here, take one of my gifts. And he's like, you know, corn would think this was pretty cool to have a group like this. So, eesh. It's pretty funny in fairness.

Yeah. But it's a thing, you know, like corn cares not, as they say. Yeah, yeah. Mudang biting ankle, right? Moodang biting ankle. Corn cares not where the blood flows from, brother. I mean, hippos are like crazed creatures. That's true.

You don't want to be on the wrong end of a hippo. Those things are terrifying. Oh, yeah. But, you know, bloodthirsty tornadoes. But yeah, I mean, corn, maybe corn was like, damn, guys, all right, you know, you killed, you manually exterminated an entire planet. Maybe you guys can be my new buddies. Right. Corn would love that, sure.

Yeah, like, maybe you guys can, like, be my new, my new friends. Or by murdering the entire cult, they basically ended up just serving them in general. Yeah, could be either or either one is, yeah, yeah, sheesh. Yeah. So, uh, at this point, the, uh, at this point, he realized what the hell firestone was for, was for it to make, you know, the demons of corn even stronger. and so instead he decided to try to figure out a different plan, which was, I mean,

basically developing more crazed things with bile for the most part. Oh, that feels like the wrong answer. Right? So at this point, he knows that they were actually right. Yeah, but they're insane now,

you know? Yeah, you can't go back from it. it even though you were kind of vindicated and like, oh yeah, we did stop chaos. It wasn't like they said. We were doing our job proper. That's got to be, actually, I guess finding it at that point must be just like,

that must be even worse. It's, it's, you can't go back. No, there is no going back whatsoever. And I mean, they could have gone out in this giant blaze of, when they first entered the eye of terror. They could have just gone with full Maradon, but they said, no, I don't want to anymore. I want to live. Yeah, I want

Yeah. Oh, man. The kind of them bitching out literally is what made them their own chaos space marine faction. Yeah. What a tragic group. Oof. And everything passed this for the most part was your general classic chaos space marine shenanigans. They needed more crazed lunatic, you know, space marines that would be made from Bile with his crazy creations.

So they needed way more gene seeds. So what do they do? They ray the dark angel recruitment world. and steal their jeans scene. Do they specifically just raid dark angels because they're just like, yeah, fuck these guys. This is all their fault anyway. A little bit, yeah.

Let's go. That's a level of petty that I am here for. I mean, the dark angels started it. They were the big, well, I mean, I started it, but they were the big, uh, prideful ones. And they basically are just like, yeah, screw these guys. We're just going to kill them. Good for them. Good, good for the crimson slaughter.

Good. Keep that. Keep that energy. Keep that spitefulness. We love that shit. Yeah, you love to see a spiteful king. Now, there were some other fun things like they did have an issue where one of their sorcerers got possessed by a lord of change, which is a real dick and was manipulating

the chap or the, I keep forgetting he's a Chaos Lord now, Chaos Lord Cranham. But, okay, I'm going to have to ask shy about this one because this one to me is really kind of goofy. And I just, I need confirmation on this. So the, oh, actually you want to read this first? Sure.

They trying to undo the curse, but at this point, they are murderers, traitors, cowards, their horrible murders started driving their own cultists towards them, even corn berserkers, more people need resources,

need war to get resources. So instead of seeking cure and redemption, we now just run around murdering everyone and pretending like, oh yeah, we're totally, good guys. We'll find a way to fix the voices in our heads. After this next planetary slaughter.

We love it. We love it to death. I feel like at this point, like, should you even pretend like you're trying to get rid of anything? It's like you know what you are. There's no going back. You can't go back to the Imperium. It's not possible. Like, just give in. Like, obviously you love the slaughter. It helps with the voices. Just keep doing your crazy nonsense. like there's no reason to pretend like oh yeah we need to get rid like man just embrace it just make corn happy and go kill stuff it's great and it's it's funny as hell it's like i i swear i this is this is me slaughtering another 500 civilians it's the last time guys i'm gonna be sober after this don't worry about it i can stop

whenever i want um the classic addict oh no but they're addicted to mindless slaughter Me looking like Matthew McConaughey smoking that one cigarette meme Ironically and hilariously The Dark Angels still have a vendetta Against the Crimson Slaughter And their company master found them Found Cranham and sliced his head off

As a trophy for the Dark Angels But I was going to ask shy about this Apparently he lived and I'm not quite sure why You know Can I get a check on that one shy how he survived. Because chaos. I'm assuming it's just because chaos, because the warp,

because shenanigans, because corn ate some sort of corn magic thing. It's got to be something like that, right? Because just warp chicanery, warped shenanigans. I mean, he spent so much time in the warp that, oh, he sprouted a new head, hooray, or, right? I mean, in lion's side of the forest, they had this

Lanesh guy that was like, yeah, cut my head off and then he just picked his head back up and he's like, all right, guys. I'll see you soon. That's right. Yeah. And then it forgot all about that. Yeah, see you soon. I have a big deal with him at the end. Yeah. Yeah. It's there's, I don't know exactly how he was fine, but yeah, it literally is like, his chaos was defeated and his head taken by the dark angels. So it's like, oh my God,

I forgot. So because they joined the Black Crusade. Like, trust me, I can stop whatever I want. I'm going to follow Abadon for a little bit, though. And it literally says, somehow Cranon survived Oh wow They're pulling a Palpatine Oh I mean but Hey the dark angels have quite the trophy

They're like oh did you survive Look what I've got on this stick It's your old head Loser I have no idea how he lived But it's just It's literally somehow Everything I found

Yeah was like somehow he returned I don't know how But he's just back I'm just gonna assume warp nonsense. Usually in 40K when they're just like, oh, shoot, we didn't really want this guy dead yet. Oh, look at the spooky

chaos magic. Ooh, he's alive. And it's like, oh, okay, whatever, dude. Yeah, I don't know. But now they joined the Black Crusade and said, Hey, Abadon, we will join your Black Crusade on the one

condition that I get to kill that Demon Lord a change piece of shit. whether they're on our side or not. And Avedon was just like, yeah, bro, go nuts. Sure, go for it. Who cares? Yeah. Go nuts, man.

It's a demon lore to change. They're all kind of dicks anyway. Yeah, what do I care? That's great. I like that. So in that, the Crimson Slaughter are now a well-established, strong chaos space marine faction with multiple war bands, large amounts of fleets. their space Hulk and a good number of members.

Hell yeah. They're, you know, a solid and very, you know, strong chaos space marine legion. And if I'm unmistakened, we're kind of positioned to be the main bad guys of chaos space marines for a bit. Oh. They definitely felt like they were pushing them to be that way. And this is where we pivot into the stuff that I was talking about was shy a bit ago. because it seemed that way,

but apparently not. And as far as I'm concerned, they, GW basically changed their minds entirely. And I would love to know why, because I was not aware about that one. Huh. Do they,

do they, oh, whoa. You want me to read that wall of text? Uh-huh. Yeah, why not? All right.

So, shy has a short explanation. Uh-huh. G.W. tried to make the Crimson Slaughter a thing, with their own mini-box, their own minis, large conflict with the Dark Angels, and fairly detailed lore. They even had a hilarious line in their supplement that said, they become one of the most feared war bands in the galaxy. Someone said Gary Stu! But surprised GW entirely misread the audience and failed. Chaos-based Marine fans love their legionaires and grizzled veterans of the long war.

These new special snowflake teacher pet upstarts didn't appeal to them at all. That's why GW focused a lot more on primary traitor legions these days. Crimson Slaughter also a bit too vague lore-wise with the voices that drive them not too well-defined, with curse tied to both Zinche and corn, so players sounded difficult to make their own OCs for this war band. TLDR, nobody cared. Eventually the slaughter, eventually the slaughter slide in. to obscurity. Their minis repurposed as generic chaos Marines, and very little lore and rules were released. I think

Hellbrut was, hellbrutes were their specific unit at the start. Shai kind of likes them. She thinks their lore is pretty cool, but she wants an army, does she want an army of them? Nope. I have my Alpha Legion guys for Chaos Side, and I can come up with OC backstory for my Alpha Legion warlord with weird voices in his head. At least, I appreciate the GW tried to make something original for one. sadly no one wanted it so back to the ultramarine boys i get it because whenever i think about chaos i definitely don't consider chaos to be uh the brand new custom you know new chapter of like

what was the chapter in the nightler books the genesis chapter of like super of like ultramarines it just kind of doesn't do anything for me um yeah i feel like a lot of chaos players are like yeah i play chaos space marines because i'm settling a 10,000 year old no debt and judgment against you. You, the Imperium were traitors against me. I'm the one who, etc. Or they play World Deers and there's like, God, I love killing people.

Also, I hadn't thought about which I said that, like, yeah, the voices not too well defined and it does kind of lean, like, I wasn't, I don't know why this didn't register with me? It does kind of lean Zinche, doesn't it? With like the voices in your head and the innocent civilian voices. and the everlasting torment.

It does kind of lean Zinch, doesn't it? Kind of a little bit. I think the voices and the stuff like that is definitely Zinch related. I know that Korn always has had weirdness like that. They do weird paranormal stuff. There's less about it. Whereas it does feel a little bit zinchi. It doesn't feel, I mean, they're in red, so you assume corn.

Sure, sure. But it is a little bit back and forth. This is a little bit muddled. I think they can sometimes pull this off, but it depends on who they pulled off with. Like, ooh, what's their name? Crap. Red Corsairs.

Like, you know, here in Blackheart and the Astral Clause. Like, that's a bit of an upstart idea that they did really well because they super fleshed out there genuinely difficult fall to chaos and problems that they went with, you know? Yeah, because they. They don't want to pay taxes. Yeah, fuck taxes. Yeah, yeah.

It's almost tax season. It's, we got like five months. Yeah, but still. Yeah, but still. Five months. That's still too close. It is too close that I do fully agree with. But yeah, they had their obvious issues here, there, and everywhere, and it blows. But, you know, the Astro Clause were pretty cool.

Also, yeah, Lord of Change did possess one of his friends and drove him further of madness, which is definitely like, that's a lord of change that, you know, goes against that as well. Though it does make sense that a lord of change would be messing around with corn worshippers. He's to be like, ha ha. I mean, it's, although it's interesting, like having a chaos war band that does kind of like lean towards both, I think that's an interesting idea because usually it's like, oh yeah, it's, you know, you're all in on one or none or something, unless you're like, you know, the Black Legion or Chaos undivided.

It'd be kind of cool to have one that kind of leans into like, you know, they've got one foot in each grave, I guess. I mean, they certainly have one foot in a grave and they've gone completely crazy. Yeah. I got to find. There's a 7 TV emote that I like using a lot on, or I don't like using a lot necessarily, but it's, um, it's, it's one of, um, there it is. It's just, it just gets just gets.

to me every time. Ah, yes, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, okay. I love, I love this one so much because this is what I think of when I think of the crimson slaughter. I just think of like them just like, uh, do, that, ah, ah, that is the perfect emo for the crimson slaughter.

Also, I see it completely. Yep. I also think that maybe one of the reasons people were less interested in that is, this is just a haunted version of the butcher's nails. like oh when I slaughter I slaughter everybody the voices in my head go away like that is just

the butcher's nails but you know different that is that is very close to the same affliction that Angron yeah a little different as to how they got it

because theirs was like they were actually doing something helpful whereas poor Angron poor Angron Poor anger on. Yeah. Yeah.

And yeah. I mean, it's also just like pure hubris. It's like, no, no, I swear I'll fix myself. We'll be okay again. Yes. Don't you worry. And then they just, they just don't. They just don't.

They just keep going on that slaughter bender. Yeah. It's, it's shenanigans. Yeah. Pure and simple. So current timeline, what, like, So they're not on the tabletop. They don't exist.

They don't have minis. You cannot play as them, right? Not necessarily. They do have minis. They are the old school chaos space marine minis way back in the day. I don't believe their Crimson Slaughter 40K minis. I'm positive you cannot purchase them anymore. And those mini slaps,

so hard though. Really? I think they're too stubby. They're the old stubby minis. Because I really like the Cranon one too. Cranon? Cranon, yeah, yeah. I really like the Cranon one that Chai just posted

and she posted a couple times. I really like that one. So, okay, I kind of, sort of. I think they've mainly been updated. Shai says regular Chaos Marines. I think a little differently, they feel more to me like the new chosen. Um, this is, oh, well, there's my epic embed fail, I guess.

Well, I, I, I will click that link. Oh, yeah, it kind of does feel. The new chosen give me that vibe more than anything. For sure. Yeah. Um, I see it. But now they're, yeah, they're not anymore, like, you're not buying crimson slaughter marines, you're just buying legionaries that you can paint as crimson slaughter.

But they're also like brass and red. I guess just world eater colors. Yeah, I guess it is. You know, like I like I like the story. It's fun. I like the haunting, the crazed issues there going like, oh, freaking out. That part is really cool.

And I do like their pure hubris, setting them down to the depths. But it is definitely not, you know, like the most engaging of all the options out there. True, true. They probably have some pretty cool rules, though, with all the voices and the slaughter and the need for endless killing to satiate them. They probably have some cool rules. Yeah. I mean, well, they don't have any cool rules now because there are no rules for Crimson Slaughter. Yeah, yeah.

But like if they were a thing. Right. But yeah, they are, I mean, they're basically like a world eater type. They're cool. They think they're neat. I'm a little sad they didn't go farther with it, though. How would you take it further? Like, would you just make them more?

like what what would you do i would i would totally do some like i would just lean on the voices thing a lot i would lean on this kind of level of uh of all of the innocents that they've killed just just never-endingly talking to them and then being full on just like talking to things that aren't even there just like just like jabbering it to themselves and talking to you know phantoms oh okay okay uh shy says she likes the addiction angle i think they should have gone harder in to that with murder calming down the voices, but also adding to them in an endless loop and them lying

to themselves how they can totally stop at any moment. Yeah? I do like the idea of any time that they murder another, like, innocent civilian in their blood rage that, like, more voices get added, and there are more phantoms, and there's more spectral

stuff, and they just cannot help themselves because they're fully chaos now, that they just keep killing civilians, and there's just more. and more voices and I like that. Oh, that's how it works. Okay, cool. Great.

Love it then. Yeah, no, definitely. But, like, I want them to go, like, I wouldn't want them to go harder on the concept, you know?

Mm-hmm. I want them to be even weirder, even stranger. Yeah. So, okay. I don't know. Crimson Slaughter.

Damn. Yeah. They got some, they got some fun, some fun ideas. They got some neat concepts. I would like a little bit more into them. And they would,

probably be a pretty cool faction. I think they just need, they could use a little bit of like a design uptick. I think this is one of the reasons why chaos space marines are so loved and how much I love them is that they have such a, a varying level of design, like art direction. I like that a lot. You know, I was actually thinking about this a little bit ago. Like, I was thinking about the concept of art direction and just like how a lot of the Warhammer art direction is based on obviously real life.

motifs, the necrons are Egyptian, you have like all the, the undead skeleton type thing. And then obviously 40K is just fantasy with a sci-fi coat of paint. So you have like your orcs and et cetera. But I was thinking, um, like, this is random, but I was, I was thinking about like cod zombies. And I was thinking about the, the songs that play with the perks, the perk out, perk sodas. and they all follow basically two motifs for like five games which was either like cowboy

Tex-Mex kind of combo like a very like Mexican style or really smooth jazz and I was just thinking about that like following that kind of motif and I even thought about even more this is kind of a random one you know you played Halo yeah

yeah I played Halo one through three Have you ever noticed that all of the vehicles for the humans are based off of like animals? The whart hog, the pelican, the mongoose. The naming scheme and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the covenant ones are all based around like ghostly apparitions. The ghost, the banshee, the wraith, the specter, you know?

I had never really paid that much attention to the covenant ones. But yeah, yeah, they do. I was thinking about that a lot. Like that naming sequence goes really hard. And they do the same thing with Guard. Like the Imperial Guard, a lot of their vehicles are, it's the Valkyry or not, a lot of their like land vehicles, the chimera, the Hydra, the Mantecore, the Basilisk. It's all named after that kind of stuff.

And so I was thinking about like chaos space marines and how, you know, the word bearers are so. specifically word bearers. They are, they are covered in, in litanys and, uh, and, and,

demonic packs and symbols. The night lords are this, uh, kind of, um, Eastern European vibe mixed with, you know, tons of skin and torture devices and chains. Uh, and the Crimson slaughter,

they don't have that. Yeah, they don't. Like you said, they kind of just, They're kind of just world eaters with different lore. They're black legion or world eaters with a kind of combination with a coat of paint. And that kind of sucks because like not only do they look like world eaters, like we said, like they kind of have world eaters adjacent lore too.

Yeah. Yeah, with the mind affliction. So like they kind of even lean more into, oh, shouldn't they just be world eaters? Yeah. Like, because, yeah, yeah. I guess they really don't have that, like, really defining, this is the crimson slaughter. They're just kind of like, oh, yeah, it's those guys that are corn and world eater adjacent, I guess.

Yeah, like that, the importance of art direction like that is so, so important. And it's one of the things I think 40K does a really good job at is making all their stuff look so unique and so specific. and all that kind of jazz. Would you like to read this last bit from Shai? Sure. So Shai said it was at this stage of the campaign that the true killing really began. None now could stay the butchery.

The last phase of the operation was the bloodiest. Disparate squads of astramilitarium and the remnants of their supporting armor desperately attempted to defend the Hablocks, concentrating their efforts near the densest population center. One by one those strongholds fell and the massacre began. Street by street, the battle raged and the blood flowed.

Howling spirits and maniacal laughter echoed down the long avenues, almost drowning out the sound of chainsaws, bolter fire, and unheeded screams for mercy. Utter madness and cold-blooded slaughter had come to their planet and it went on and on and on. It was only the beginning, the start of the Crimson Slaughter's Terror campaign. Tales of genocidal horrors committed there would soon send shockwaves through the Imperium. Planet by planet, their doom was at hand. And the voices were finally silent for a time. Yeah. A case of lore being almost better than design.

Yep. And then Shai says, if you replace crimson slaughter with world eaters and voices with the nails, shrug. Now you can see why we don't need them. I think one of the things that I wanted to kind of get a part with this episode as well is that there's so many chapters and war bands like this that just don't see the light of day. And I feel bad because I'm sure there are people in our comments like four of you that are our big crimson slaughter like fans, especially back in sixth edition. You're like, oh, the crimson slaughter is so cool.

Shy likes crimson slaughter as well. but naturally at the end of the day they are one of those reasons why it's so important to have that level of design to push that type of like the defining quality you know yep they need a specific like crimson slaughter identifier because they are just too they just get lost in the sauce yeah they're a little bit

Anyway, that is all I got for the Crimson Slaughter. They're really neat. I wish they had more. Yeah, definitely. Wish they had more defining Crimson Slaughter stuff for sure, because it is an interesting concept. It's a cool backstory. How it was like, oh, did they?

Didn't they? They did. Oh, but it's too late. Now you're, and it's just, it's a cool backstory. I like it. Yeah. I would like to do more of the hauntings. Yeah.

The haunting stuff is really neat. It's just like a little bit more of that kind of stuff. A few rewrites would be pretty good, I would say. Maybe if they want to roll something more on the lines of like a chaos undivided, like visual a little bit more. There's some options there. It's got to give it a little bit of work. They definitely, at the very least, you got to give them different colors. Yeah, red and brass.

Yeah, yeah, agreed. Well, it's already too close. And, oh, yeah, they need their own specific identifiers for sure. 100%. All right, everybody. Thank you all for listening. Unfortunately, this has not been just voices, but this has been a real podcast from real people, or so we say. As far as you know, it's not the voice.