Adeptus Ridiculous - DAEMON ENGINES: MACHINE GOD IS DEAD | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousA Daemon Engine is a nightmarish artificial construct used by the forces of Chaos that is a fusion of a realspace vehicle or combat walker with a possessing Daemonic spirit of the Warp. Daemon Engines are gigantic war machines that prowl on mighty piston-driven limbs.Jutting from their armoured torsos are gargoyle-muzzled cannons and heavy weapon-arms that end in murderous tools of war. To compare a Daemon Engine to an ordinary vehicle is folly, for each of these beasts possesses its own malevolent sentience rather than a crew.Support the show

Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, his name is Bricky, and we might have a special guest with us. But before we get into that, if you enjoy today's episode of the podcast, consider supporting us over at patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to our Discord, bloopers if they happen. The $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in digital HD format. The one that's up right now, I think, is the Halloween. Eldar with the sort of Dia de los Mettos theme. So yeah, Patreon.com

slash adeptus ridiculous. Bricky, tell them about what you tell them about. Yes, sir. It is like the 25th of October, so all of you, you have a week left to get all of your great Halloween merchandise. The next time we air an episode,

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I am saying that that will be the next big drop. Okay. Because I'm wearing the detective ridiculous hoodie, and it's great. Oh, the detective one is really really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you say it's the perfect gift this festive season? Not yet. Nope, it's not time for that yet.

It's too soon. Oh, okay. Too soon. Worth a try. Too soon. All I want for Christmas is you, Kirioth. I don't think that's true, but I appreciate the sentiment. I want a lot more for Christmas than just Karioth. Like, come on.

Wow, is you not good enough for you? No, that's fair. That's fair. I can't argue with that. I wouldn't accept that as an honest response otherwise. Oh, also, Karioth is here, everyone. Yay! If you couldn't tell Karioth is here. Hi, Krioth.

Hello. Is that the most disjointed intro we've ever done? No. There's no chance. That's the most... No way in hell. I must have blocked something out. We have done way more cursed off-topic intros than that.

I was waiting for a Wall's reference, but then I got excited about the idea of selling a hoodie, and I just spoke before anyone had said I was here. So it's my own fault, really. The, um, uh, yeah, yes, so I was at Twitchcon. I was gone. for an entire week, practically. So I did not get a chance to do any kind of new episode research.

And whenever I am slacking, we always have the good person to pick up the slack. And, uh, and ba-bibing, butabum. So, so Karioth, I, actually have no idea what the hell you're going to be doing today.

I have no idea what the topic is. Vehicles, flyers, Eldar, weapons, machinery, heavy metal, Karioth, right? One of these is not like the other. Yeah, yeah.

Like, yeah, machinery is a weird one to throw in there. It's definitely that one that stood out. Whatever, yeah, yeah, totally. I don't like being back. Please let it be an elder episode. Please let it be an elder episode. I've got some real bad news for you.

I've got some terrible news for you. I'm sorry. I've also just realized that of all the things to forget to do, and this is bad, and I'm assuming that, as I say, this, the live chat is going mad. I forgot to get a quote. So I'm going to try

and make one on the spot. What a shame! I guess there's nothing for me to guess. Oh shoot. So Karioth, what are doing? Do I do I think, shall I just try should I just go for one? See if I can get one on the phone. No, don't even

it's already happens, the pain is here. Just tell us the episode thing. I love how beaten down you are by your own thing that you do every week. I've had enough, please stop. You missed the point. It's so that now I can't fail to guess the quote either.

Oh, okay. I don't know. You... It's demon engines. It's demon engines. Do you... Yeah, okay, there you go. Yeah.

So Infernal Beasts are segmented for Manifold Clause, who's more spue forth the molten stuff of the beyond. says shy. I read that and then was like that's demon engines because the first thing I think of is Forge Fiends. I'll be honest, if Bricky hadn't said it, I would have guessed it was something demon, chaos and awful. And, you know, demon engines, that fits the bill.

I love demon engines. Yeah, they're the best. I really thought that you'd just either knew beforehand though, Bricky, or you'd just pulled some sort of weird psychic thing and it'd just taken a stab in the dark and it turned out to be absolutely correct. but I didn't read the chat until after you'd said it so I had a moment of that's really impressive or he's doing that thing he's done where he already knows

and he's trying to get one over on DK and then I looked at the chat and went oh that's that's the least fun of the options that I He's a siker feed him to the emperor I do have a pretty big head that's the only criteria that's needed surely for sikers naturally Yep, feed him to the Emperor

All right, Demon engines, exciting I really like demon engines This is going to be good stuff So these are the Funnily enough, heavy machinery of the Chaos Space Marines, if you will I was right

You were technically correct The best kind of correct It is the best kind of correct If you have the option of either having Some sort of heavy, Excellent Tank, vehicle, would you want that with a bloke piloting it, driving it, or would you prefer to have a warp-spawn demonic entity infusing every part of it and sometimes growing weird flesh out of

it instead? Which do you think would be better? Because if the answer is the normal guy, you are wrong. So pick carefully. It's hard to pass up just some bloke, though, you know. But yeah, I'll go with the demon. engine that's just full of warped tainted chaos nonsense. In fairness, you can generally tell the bloke what to do. You cannot always tell the demon engine what to do. True. Sometimes the demon engine will do as it pleases.

That is fair, although there is a hilarious thing we'll get. No, we don't, no one wants that. No one wants the Mario Car ATV. No one's interested. It's not. That looks like it can pull some, that looks like it could pull some sick drifts. Hey, does it though? Or does it look like it should never have been made?

I'm kind of in two minds on it. That's a lie. I'm not. Well, the picture shy showed is ultramarines, so of course I think it shouldn't exist. Oh, that's harsh. And also objectively and morally correct. So, yeah, the demon engines are essentially massive tanks or walkers, or indeed like sort of dreadnought style, almost creatures, but not really.

You take the heavy machinery of war, then you take the heavy machinery of war, you stick a demon of varying power into it, give it a bunch of guns, point it vaguely, vaguely in the direction of the enemy, and let them do their work. They are completely infused with, like, demonic entities, and pretty much all of them are all about bloodlust, violence, destruction, ripping apart, anything they come across, and they are by far one of the things that I think makes the Space Marine,

like the chaos space marines more interesting and cooler than normal space marines. Haven't there been like several instances where like the demon engine will just kind of like rampage and kill a bucket load of its own troops or troops that it's supposed to be on the side of because it's just a demon engine and it just wants to kill? One would argue that that's, uh, argue that that's often it's MO. depending on how it's... You know that opening part of Jurassic Park where it bites simony is like... Shoot ha!

Yes, that's kind of how I imagine demon engines are for the most part. Gotcha. Yeah, I was going to say, haven't we read at least one or two books where like a demon engine is just like, oh yeah, we meant to point it at like the Imperium and the guard, but whoops, the demon engine just has a mind of its own, wants the bloodlust, things got a little too quiet and it just started eating us. Well, that's the thing. There's a couple of different ways of making demon engines.

There are the ones that are like a kind of empty chassis until a demon is shackled and forced into operating it. And then there are demon engines which at one point had a, like a mortal occupant, whether it's like a human pilot or driver or a chaos space marine. There's a couple of different ones. And really, the end result isn't all that different. The demons don't particularly like being in there, and they want to kill everything anyway, because, you know, demon.

And the ones that have got a nice little core of humanity absolutely hate and loathe everything about what they've become and are filled with an insatiable rage and disgust at their own existence, which then means they want to murder and kill everything they come across. So it's basically two different, two different roads that lead to the same highway, I guess. And the highway just points to constant combat and slaughter, yeah. Yeah.

Shai said you can make a deal with a demon to give it a physical machine body, or you can force the demon inside a machine with trickery, or machines can get accidentally hit by warp, and demon gets stuck in there. And neither of the options are good. It all leads to bad, but in the best possible way. So there's a couple of different ways that, like, demon engines are made. So there's the forge of souls, quite important. That's where Vash Tor the Archiphan does his excellent work.

And one of the things that's made in there is the Soul Grinder, which I love it. It's kind of goofy. We're going to have differing opinions on the Soul Grinder. I'm going to just say that right now. Oh, deal. I mean, but they're some. charming and weird

and okay shy's doing it too much justice I need the mini

immediately oh I was kind of hoping you wouldn't ask for that because I kind of

remember talking wait but the minnie isn't bad it's not the worst

that's there's nothing wrong with that there's a version of it that's a lot better in my opinion

and I still don't like that one either really why I think it's a It's a demon engine

It's supposed to be all messed up and weird right No okay okay There's a difference between something being messed up and weird And being messed up and weird in a particularly pleasing way Like like from a design point of view Like it's it's fine Like obviously it's correct In how it is but there's another version called the

I mean I'm sure you'll talk about it in a moment Kirov you don't mind me jump in the gun Of course not there's another version called the defiler which I also think is kind of silly but it's it's a bit more I don't know it's let me grab the mini

this might not even be the mini this might be something else but it's a bit more like it's a bit more engine than demon oh that one is that that one is awful that one I can see why you would dislike that one I do not like this one more than the other one really because that one to me that one looks stupid

to me I like okay I think you like the more demon version. I like the more tank version. I like it more like the, yeah. A demon is inside the tank and has warped it out into this weird manifestation, whereas the defiler feels like he was put on top of legs. I think I would like the one you. The one you like, I would like if that stupid looking helmet wasn't at the top,

like poking out like some stupid jack in the box. Okay. I hate that helmet up there. If that was gone, I'd be worth. way more into it. Defilers have a lot of customization, so it doesn't necessarily have to have that helmet. But it's just kind of wacky, you know?

It's just a little guy. He's not that little. He's not that little at all. No, but when I see it, all I can see is that helmet is like there's just a little guy in there with like a joystick. The defiler needs an updated model, but... It really does. It's old.

Like the defiler, the defiler was introduced, like the model for it was introduced in third edition. for 40K, which was a long time ago now. I mean, to be honest, it's one of those things where they made, like, the same, or parts of the same kit do, like, different purpose. So you had the sole grinder and the defiler, but they both basically come with the same sort of base chassis. It's just the legs are slightly different. To be honest, if they did completely separate models for both, I think both would look

a little bit better, because the sole grinder could do with more organic material over the legs themselves. That way it would look a bit more, well, I say a bit more natural. It would still look horrific because it would be half machine and half full demon, but you would have more of an integration between the two. And the defiler could kind of do with being a bit less of a box on legs and maybe having more of a, more of an unnatural appearance to it than it currently has. but I think at this point for me I like I like both

I have to admit I I lean more towards more towards like the defiler side of things like Bricky I just find the defiler a bit more aesthetically pleasing but it's because there's a lack of like I want to see more skin

and flesh and muscles on the legs of the fellow night lord fan I mean pretty much I agree I think once we once we talk about like the venom crawl I think that's kind of like the peak demon engine design when it comes to mixing the hybrid, but we'll get there when we get there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they've definitely improved the concept, like concept a lot more as they've made more demon engines. It's like they have the idea to begin with, and they made a couple which do kind of touch on what they were going for. But as time's gone on, they've got way better at making proper, like, freaky hybrids between the two that kind of make both the defiler and the Soul Grinder just look a bit dated, which, again, it makes sense because they were like, I mean, what was the Defile? Like, 2003? Four? I can't remember when that kick came out, but it was a long time ago. There was a long time ago. But there are differences between the two, like fairly significant ones. So the, the Soul

Grinder originates, or it's said to originate from the Forge of Souls, and the soul grinders have three oaths they have to take, which are the oaths of the iron pact that they take with the masters of the soul forge. The first one is that all souls that they harvest will be used for fueling the forge itself. The second one is that all the wrecked remains of like war machines and tanks destroyed by the sole grinder will be offered to the forge. And the third one is that if any of the chaos gods attack the forge, the Soul Grinder must get rid of all their loyalty, all of their oaths to other people, and come and fight in its defence. So these are like chaos undivided to the very core, because the forge of souls is like a undivided kind of almost like shrine, like it's

dedicated to making these demon machine hybrids. These particular demon engines have full-on pact that they have to make in order to exist as they are, which is awesome. So they're essentially guardians of the forge. Like, their first and foremost loyalty is to the forge. Nothing. Like, if the

forge is under attack, it's like, nope, nothing else matters, I am going back to it. The end. Period. This also is rather fascinating, though, because this is all lore that was made pre-Vash store, but we know that that is

basically Vashdor's contract that when you sign on he's basically like all right you want to be you want to be this big crazy demon engine with all this power and murder cool but you owe me this you owe me this and you owe me this and I don't like the four chaos gods

so you know it kind of actually it slots in pretty well yeah it's it they kind of integrated him pretty decently for like a newer character the stuff about the pact was in the fourth edition

Chaos Demons Codex so it's it's not like it's not new it's not new law it's not new background it's been around for a little bit and they kind of slotted him in really nicely to interact with it but it's I just find that really like really

interesting with the Soul Grinder like regardless of the design the idea that there is a that there is like a list of things you have to adhere to before you're released and there is a loyalty that just goes above and beyond anything else that you can just be called back to is, I don't know, it kind of speaks of a really fun power dynamic between the ones making them and the actual

demon engines themselves. I was wondering, how often will the other chaos gods try and attack the forge? Because like the whole point of these soul grinders is, oh, if anyone attacks the forge and it's another chaos god, you've got to come defend it. Like, how often does that happen? Is there like a war to take control of the forge? That I'm not sure of. I did have a look into it.

I couldn't find anything that suggested there'd been like an all-out attack by any one of the chaos gods. It might just be that it gets tested occasionally. Like maybe one of them is like, I'm going to, okay, can I get away with taking this on and making it mine? Or is that not going to end well? Is that just going to confuse everything? and I can't find anything specifically says there's been like a full invasion of it, but every now and then corn is, every now and then corn is just like, it does sound like a bit of fun. Yeah, let's, why not, why don't give it a try? Let's try it. Sure, why not?

Yeah, there is a lot of like, there is a lot of, there is a lot of, there is a lot of infighting in there. Yeah. Uh, shy says, TLDR, sole grinder is much better than Defiler purely on lore. Defiler is just a tank on legs. that soul grinders are dead demons who suffer in limbo of forge of souls forced to surrender their true name and trying to fulfill their almost impossible demonic packs with Vash Tour to gain name and body

again. Yeah, Laura, that does sound cooler, but, you know, aesthetic all you. But I like tank. I like tank. Tank is also. They just like the aesthetic, shy. I've never, never met a guard player who was like,

tanks? Not my thing. If you met a guard, Damn, I wish my tank had more fleshy bits. I do know someone who had an infantry only guard army, which just made my brain hurt, but, you know. Yeah, that's like,

there's always one. There's always one, like, freak, in there. Yeah, but there's always one in every friend group. That's like those weirdos that like Oreos, but they don't like the cream center. And it's like, that's, man, can you take your heresy somewhere else? Whoa, the cream center. The cream center is not better than the cookie part.

The cookie part is better than the cream center. cream. All right. Look, let's get us out of this hell. Double stuffed Oreos are trash. It's too much stuff.

I agree with that. There's got to be a balance. You've got to have the balance, right? You've got to have the balance. Thank you. The regular Oreo cookie has exactly the right amount. Exactly the right amount of cookie

to taste ratio. I mean, your taste buzzer heretical, though. the one that has a bitter, undying death feud with cheesecake. Because cheesecake sucks. All right. I can't. I can't.

We're going to have, this is going to turn into a full blown through way on. Yeah. I can't be part. I'll agree with the defiler. I'll agree with the Oreo thing. I'm not, I'm not going to bat for you for cheesecake being bad. We're just going to have to leave it there and pretend that never happened. You're the only one, Bricky.

One man alone. against the universe. So, judge, judge me for being weak. So, the other thing that we have talked about is the defiler, and the defiler is pretty much tank on legs, as opposed

to demon attached to legs, not created in the Forge of Souls. The first ones were on the forge world of Xana 2, and Abadden wanted them made, because he wanted stuff for the first Black Crusade. He wanted

walking crab tanks and that's what he got. And to be fair, they are pretty, they are pretty cool. So they had like chaos sorcerers that used chaos magic and they draw

demons out of the warp and then trap them within the hull of the defiler. Something that was interesting is everything that I found talked about it being like covered in ruins. the hull and there's not really on the actual model

any indication of that whatsoever so that's interesting I'm assuming they just didn't want to cover it in intricate carvings and stuff but yeah that's probably like oh you know if people want to do that they can do it themselves kind of like with like the banners

and all like the little scrolls that have writing on them and stuff because every time in like a book they talk about chaos or I was like oh wow look at those pretty gems oh snap look at those carvings oh my god ruins of chaos that are making my mind go crazy. And, yeah.

If they do an updated version one, I'd love to see that, though, because of, like, the fact that they've done, like, word bearer models and stuff and the Marigold tainted dreadnought they did for Horace Heresy, which has got actual, like, ruins carved into the armor.

I would love to see that actually properly in the model, just because it would fit the background a little bit better. Also, that artwork is badass. Oh, yeah, that's really cool. there is a variation of the defiler that we have to we have to touch on because it's basically you've got is it just defiler where he just files away

demonic papers I mean Are you allowed to fire someone from someone else's product Is that allowed? Vash store needs to have a tax guy Who do you think that is? We know who the CPA is It's like that it's that dude in the Nurgle

Epidemias is it the guy who like keeps track That's true yeah there is Oh yeah he is he keeps track he's the death guard How many plagues? Mm-hmm. How many people died? How many people were infected?

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. CPA 14th Legion. Yeah, yeah, do you think Nurgle collects taxes at the end of the year on the plagues? Like, good job, guys. You made a whole 20,000 plagues. I got to take about 30% of that and an extra 5% for chaos undivided

self-employment tax. Oh, oh, God, don't talk to me about self-employment taxes. You live in Cal. I keep up done. Oh, baby, I love it. You've reminded me of the, like, email every other day that I keep getting telling me to do my taxes. And I keep saying no, but I need to do them.

And now you've reminded me of that, and now I'm having a breakdown. There is. All right, so you're going to be to cut that before curiosity gets audited. Yeah, please do. So the filer. So the filer is the one that filed the taxes. There is also, because they've got like a fairly, they've got a good range of weaponry, but essentially you've got a battle cannon in the charge.

chest, then you've either got some sort of ranged or some sort of melee attached on either side of the big boxy body. There is, however, there is a slaughter fiend, which is my favorite variant. I didn't know this existed until, like literally two days ago I didn't know this was a thing. So, a slaughter fiend. There's no more, there's no separate model for this, but the background is incredible. It's a defiler that has been, like, dominated and ridden by a corn berserker. Oh, okay. So it's basically just a defiler, but once, one time, a corn berserker, jumped on it, like subjugated it and was like you you are mine now and you do as i command and the defiler went okay yes i agree and now it's an actual thing which is i love that incredible it has so it has

a kit bash version here yeah see you've got wallie the world leader on top with the chains which is lovely wallie the world eater have i have i not have not told you about wallie the world did her? You probably did, but I probably forgot. Oh, he's just, he's just a really old corn berserker a mini that's been in the promotional material for, uh, 40K for a long time. Oh, that's actually not Wally up there, but, um, it's the one with the, with the weird face, isn't it? It's the one with the teeth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What, the, Wally is, uh, has been around for, for a while. Oh, that guy. I've, I've seen him. I just didn't realize he was called, like, he had, like, I don't want to say lore, but I didn't realize that he was a recognizable thing that's been there for

like ever. It's like, it's a fun like little meme. Yeah. That's cool. Slaughter fiends. I mean, that doesn't look too bad. It looks like a nice combination between the, uh, the sole grinder and the defilers. Yeah, that's a good kid.

I'm on board just for the name, honestly. But essentially Slaughter fiend is just a defiler and then a corn berserker was like, you're mine now. And then the Slaughter fiends, yeah, yeah, sure. Pretty much. And then it's just the guys in the. noble steed for a while? So he managed

it, he did the thing, which then meant that since that time berserkers consistently, apparently attempt to emulate that and copy it. So there's a line that I found. Oh, it's so stupid. In battle, whole units of

berserkers will attempt to clamber onto a nearby slaughter fiend, if only to steal a ride into the fray. I love the idea of a massive war, a massive battle going on, and there's just this moment of someone looking out and seeing a 10-man squad of berserkers trying to clamber up onto just a random defiler to try and claim it as their own. It's just great.

A group of slaughter fiends are known as blood packs. Yep. That's so metal. I love that. That's absolutely ridiculous. Stupid. What? Stupid.

No, because you make a blood packed. and they're a blood blood pack. Yes, it's metal. I love it. It's cool. It's stupid funny. It's stupid funny.

Not like stupid, stupid, stupid. I thought you just meant stupid, stupid, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's stupid, but it's good at the same time. Okay, cool, cool, yeah. We're good. I, I'm just, it's such a world eater's thing to do.

It is. You know? I really can't appreciate that because there's, there are a few things more that, that say world eaters more than that. just that complete removal of critical thinking. And like, I'm going to ride the bigger death machine. As if you even need to to begin with.

Or having the presence of mind to do it as well is kind of impressive. It's like there was some thought went into that. It was ridiculous thought and even more mad than they usually are. But someone thought about that and then decided, you know what? I am going to go for it. I am going to try and ride the. defiler. I'd love it.

I gotta be honest with you. I don't really think there was any thought into it. I think a berserker just went berserker and he just happened. So it was more instinctual.

Yeah. That's actually more scary. Yeah. It's a berserker. I believe that. I believe that like his rhino got blown up and he's like,

well, I'm not going to kill enough people if I run and he found a different way to do it. Yep. Happy actions. And he's getting there. So we've done a couple of the more the multi-legged ones.

We're going to go back a little bit though, because there is a, it's been a long-standed alternative to the Leviathan Dreadnought, which Chaos had access to. Unfortunately, if you're playing 40K, you don't have access to this anymore because they decided to retroactively make it only part of the Horace heresy because Games Workshop are silly. And this is the decimator. which is by far one of the coolest older models that they've made.

I mean, look at that. Yo, that's so cool. Oh, no, I've got hot takes again. I don't like the decimator look. What, really? It's too much shoulder. Too much shoulder. That's entirely the reason.

Everything else about it, the face, awesome. Too much shoulder. It does have a lot of shoulder. But yeah, I'm the same way. I kind of love how big and bulky the shoulders are. It's a little, I almost kind of wish it only had one of the big shoulders and some random demonic crap on the other, like an asymmetrical kind of dude-ed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That would be kind of cool. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that either. But I see where you're coming from with this at least. These things, the tail end of ninth edition, were ruinous. They ripped people up. They were so good in game. and then everyone bought three, and now they can't use them because, lo,

at least they look cool. Well, to some people they look cool anyway. Some people. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've owned a couple over the years, and they're just so, I don't know, there's something about, like, where the head goes into the chest,

there's a ton of cables and stuff. Like, there's so much cabling on this model. It looks like the entire thing is just cables, and armour and almost nothing else, but close up, it just looks like an absolute mess of technology, which is one of the things I like about it so much. But it was kind of supposed to be something to kind of counter the strength of like the Leviathan dreadnought,

so something that could kind of go toe to toe with those, but it wasn't that strong. It wasn't actually powerful enough to deal with Leviathans one-on-one, but they have a massive range of weaponry which did a lot to kind of encourage their use amongst traitor forces so there's so many good options for this so you can use siege claws

their storm lasers conversion beavers like rapid fire butcher cannon and the soul burner petard I think it's called I never know to pronounce that I think it's Petard but yeah Petard which I'll take a soul burn or anything, please.

Just the name of it is great. I think wasn't that one of the ones that you saw most often in loadouts and nights? You often ran double soul burner because combined them together would do mortal wounds on a two-up to wounds. So each decimator dumped with iron warriors about like 13 mortal wounds

every time they fired. And so three of these things would just house an entire night. Um, but then, but then, you know, you'd fire back at them and there are demons. They have a five up inval and so they would be like sometimes you would just roll well and ping off all this damage and it's really aggravating to deal with. But then I can't use them because, huh. Can I ask what weapons are in these pictures? Because all three of them have the same weapons where it's like that kind of clothing and then like the gun with the blade on it. What are those? Because those seem very popular in these pictures. So you've got the siege claw And you've got the butcher cannon

Is the gun on the side there Okay It's like an auto cannon basically Just like chaos auto cannon It just looks more hardcore Because it's got a full A full sword hanging underneath it Yeah

I like the siege claw a lot During 9th It was fun because they had Let the Galaxy burn Which was add plus two To your Flamer shots And so doubles The claw and the inside of the

claw that's a flamer uh so oh i would if you ran two of them you would get four extra shots and then the claw was also a melee weapon so you would actually do some genuinely nasty melee damage so it was really fun i want that i want that soul burner that's the coolest weapon on that list that's just that big cannon looking thing mm-hmm give me that soul i like give me that soul burner i like the storm laser i just think it looks that's pretty cool too yeah also storm laser just, I don't know, it feels like such like classic sci-fi naming for that one particularly. Everything else,

like a siege claw or a butcher cannon just sounds like really hardcore and evil, and then you've got Storm Laser, which could belong to literally any franchise. It could be any IP, that one. I still think it's one of the,

one of the most fun four-tworld models have had for ages. And yeah, there's a couple of things that are like kind of interesting that are sort of touched on, but not given a huge amount of extra elaboration. Like, there's supposed to be

combinations of human and Xenos technology, which is then fused with warp stuff. Huh. But there's not a huge amount as to what that Zenos technology is. So it's one of those things where they go, there's little T's, his little T's,

we're not going to give you anything more than that, which is kind of a shame. Shai said you just explained their entire lore, by the way. Yeah, that's pretty much it. It is pretty much it. Yeah, it's, it's, they're a mix of weird stuff, and they were made to be chaos dreadnoughts, but not really, but sort of, but not really.

And that's, that's about all you're getting out of, I've been out for so long. They've been a thing for ages, and then they've never really been expanded on. So how come they got rid of them, were they just too, it can't be because it was too popular and too many people were running it? Well, what they did was they...

So Games Workshop decided with 10th that they were going to take the Forge World models for chaos and just move them all into Horace Heresy. So that effectively most of the stuff you get from Forge World now is technically Horace Heresy. That's not necessarily true, but it is true for the chaos side of things. They just decided that, so that they would not be usable in 40K, they would just shift them over, which was puzzling,

because a few of the things that we've got queued up to talk about, they were usable in 40K for the longest time, and they never had rules for Horace Heresy, which is the thing that upset most people, I think. Like, these are units that were not in that game, they were not part of it, they had no presence in it whatsoever, and then Games Workshop went, and now you can find all the rules for this stuff you used to use in the rules for a different game that they were never part of, but we're now saying they are. I, sorry.

That's so weird. I bought myself a contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnought, the brand new plastic kits for heresy, because you could use them in 40K, and then you can't, and it's just, it's, it's infuriating. At least, at least, at least like chaos size. Like, like, they got, like, they put a lot of, uh, Marines. units to legends, but Marines also have quadruple the list as everyone else does. But for chaos, it was particularly nasty because chaos is the redheaded stepchild.

I don't understand. So, like, how does that do anything for anybody? Like, that's not going to increase sales. That's just going to make player bases mad because they can't use the stuff that they want to use for 40. Why? It's literally sunsetsetting of physical models. And you thought Destiny did it bad.

Yeah, that's, wow, that's, oof. Anyway. It's not great. It's not the best decision they've ever made. What's the next one you guys? I'm curious. So the next one we have is the Hell Drake, because I feel like this and this and another is like the intermediate point between things like the Defiler and the Soul Grinder. Like I'm thinking in terms of real world releases and models, the Hell Drake is kind of a good example of them moving.

further into that full sort of hybrid feel. So the Helldrake is a flying demon engine and it's one of the most hardcore ones because it used to be just an aircraft, just a fighter of some kind piloted by a space marine, but it's been twisted and corrupted so badly by the warp that it has turned into essentially a giant flying, dragon-y thing.

Yeah, I love these things. I've seen the mini for them and, oh, they're so great. I love them. They're really, really, like, oh, there's just something, there's something about like the wing shape and the amount of, the amount of, like, decoration on them and stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's so good. But in the middle of that, there is what was left of the pilot.

So, they're still in there. They are still in there. except the actual aircraft and the pilot themselves have been overcome by the demon that is now inhabiting the machine. And they are just like a little scrunched up remainder of humanity buried within the mass of this aircraft that absolutely hates everything. Oh, wow. So they're not... When I see these minis, I was just like, oh yeah, it's just a chaos dragon. It's just a mechanical chaos dragon.

Did not realize it used to be an actual plane and that there's a pilot in there that is just suffering for all time because the demon has full control over everything. That's a little grim dark. It's pretty cool. It's pretty hardcore. They're also fully like, they can fly in space so they're not just atmospheric craft. And when they travel, one of the things. that they will sometimes do is, like, hang on the underside of chaos ships. So you'd have, like, a swarm of almost, like, looking like bats hanging off the underside of a chaos ship,

and then when they get within range of an enemy, just a big flock of them will detach and fly towards them, which is such a, such a cool, like, description for it. Yeah, that is terrifying. That is for a bunch of them to just fall off a ship and just start going to town on, and yeah, no thanks. It's pretty hilarious, though. I look at it like Red Eyes Black Dragon from Yu-Gi-O, but chaos. I can't believe, out of all three of us, you're the one making the anime reference here.

Okay, so I was actually really big into Yu-Gi-O when I was a kid. Not the show very much, much more on the, just the playing of it. Yeah. I really like the art on the cards. So, like, when I was in high school, in my freshman year of art, I would try to, like, replicate the cards. Because I thought the arts, that was really cool. Blue Eyes Ultimate was, like, my favorite card. Yeah, that's like the three-headed one, right?

Yeah. Where you got fuse all, yeah. So there's also... My grandpa deck has no weak cards, Kipa. I mean, considering the fact that we're on this topic right now, let me go ahead and share to you my most hated card by the... Just, oh my God. Cyber Dragon. I hate this card.

Anyone who ran this card is a bitch-ass motherfucker, and I'm gonna piss on their wife. Oh, this is an Eldar thing, isn't it? This is like this thing wrecked everything you tried to do, and now you have a never-ending grudge with it. It's really good, it's really good base stats, and it's summonable.

Granted, this was like 15 years ago when I played, and Yu-Giot has gone power creeped into oblivion, but even so. Okay. Kirok, I want to... I'm assuming we're hopping at a 40K demon engines now, like current demon engines.

We are. We are. Okay. There's two I really am excited to talk about. Well, we're gonna... When I say lump a few together, I feel like there's a... I feel like there's, like, good sort of parity between them.

The Forge Fiend and Moorfeind. Yes. Got the Venom Crawler and the Hell Stalker. Now, I'm kind of... putting those together because they are what I feel like is the the current Games Workshop, like, design approach for demon engines, where you can,

you can literally look at, like, the sole grinder and the defiler, and then you can look at these three and see how they've, how they've kind of improved on the idea of it, and made them more of a proper hybrid. Venom crawler and, uh,

and, um, disco lord are, are some of my personal favorites, but, uh, Discoo. Are you gonna,

are you gonna, we're gonna do the Hellbrood as well? Or is that kind of like a, a side. The Hellbrote's a weird one. It is a weird one. It's, it's, I guess it, it's technically,

kind of a demon engine. But it's not really labeled as such. No, it's like what you would call the Chaos Dreadnought. But ironically, there's also Chaos Dreadnots, which are just dreadnots,

but with a different paint job. Yeah, I've heard of the Hellbrot. I don't remember what they are, though. It's literally a Chaos Dreadnought. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's just got all like the... Okay.

That really, that's it? Kind of. So why don't they just call it a Chaos Dreadnought? Is it just to be cool and be like, oh, yeah, we're chaos. We don't have dreadnots. We have Hellbrutes. They used to be Chaos Dreadnots, and then as they started to separate the ranges out more, because when it, like, years and years and years ago,

the difference between Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines was a Effectively, space marines had a bit more stuff, and chaos space marines had more spikes. So when you looked at a chaos space marine army, you were looking at space marines with spiky bits, and their tanks had spiky bits. But, like, space marines had predators and land raiders and rhinos and dreadnoughts, and chaos and dreadnorts, and, like, a lot of it was not, like, mirrored, but there wasn't much like in the way of divergence between the two factions. So you would see Space Marine armies and Chaos Space Marine armies that really functionally played kind of the same and even had pretty much the same units.

So a Chaos Space Marine squad would have a guy with a rocket launcher and a guy with a plasma gun. And you would see exactly the same thing from a tactical squad. Just like Land Raiders would have exactly the same loadouts. They were very, very similar factions. And what Games Workshop started to do was like pair them out. So Chaos Space Marines started to get more different stuff. So things like Dreadnoughts became Hellbrutes. You had things like the Defiler showing up, which was nothing like anything that the Space Marines had.

They just started to kind of differentiate them more by introducing more like demon engines. Like when Flyers became common for all of the factions, then you had things like the Hell Drake instead of getting like a Space Marine copy, if that makes sense. So it's pretty much just them shifting one faction further away from the other so that they are... Right. So it's just a hell group because they needed more chaos variation, so it wasn't just a makeshift like Space Marine spin off. Pretty much, pretty much. I mean, the Chaos Dreadnoughts did look sufficiently different,

but they were also things like, I mean, I've got a Chaos Dreadnought here, and it's just a big chunk of metal, and it does look very different from the Space Marine one, but I think for a lot of it my money is basically on the fact that it's easy to get things confused if you don't know what you're looking for as a new person so if you're looking for a dreadnought and you see Space Marine Dreadnought and Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought

there may be a chance that someone who doesn't know picks up the wrong thing because they know what they're getting they just don't know the specifics of it whereas you cannot mistake a Hellbrute for a dreadnought obviously that's still present for like the basic tanks like the rhino, the prows of the land raider, etc. But like, there's just so much more variety of demon engine and chaos-specific stuff now that I don't think that is such an issue as it might have been in the past.

That's just a personal theory, but it's having met more than a few people when I first started playing who had picked up one thing, thinking it was either for another thing or was a different thing entirely, that's just kind of what my assumption was when they started to shift. things apart for those two factions. Also, that hellbert shy posted looks so sick. I like the hellbrutes a lot personally. I think

their kid is like, it's like somewhat recent. It's not like mega recent but it's not super old either. It's a good in between. I would like a few more physical customization options, but originally I was okay with that because you could also

play as the regular dreadnots in chaos, but then they removed them. So, now it's like the only dreadnought you have and I would like a chaos version of like a contemptor or of a Leviathan because this is a chaos version of like a box not pretty much

I would I would much like a derad I mean hell a chaos Deradeo would look incredible. These are so much cooler looking than space marine dreadnots by the way oh my god but um I just wanted to bring that one up because I wasn't sure if we were going to talk about it because I know Forge fiend and Mahler fiend are very

are pretty recent and they look great. Oh, I love those. Yep, yep, yep, yep. When I was toying with the idea of Thousand Suns, I thought I was going to get one, two, or three of the minis for like the Mauler Fein or whatever. And I wasn't sure if I wanted them to be ranged or melee. And isn't that like the difference between them as far as the minis are concerned? So Mallor Feet is melee and the other one is long range. Yeah. So the Forge Fiend has got a couple of options. You can either fit it with basically gatling guns or plasma cannons. Sorry, technically ectoplasma cannon. I don't know what the difference is. I think they're the same on. They statwise. It's the ectoplasm. That's the difference. It's the exo. I think it's just to give them different

profiles and let it kind of, you know. Yeah. Whereas the mauler is all all melee. You've got big chunky claws and a bunch of metallic tentacles, which look great. I think this is one of the best, like, chaos kits they've made full stop. It's so unique, and it has such a good blend of, when I was complaining about, like, the defiler and the, well, no, the defiler, but the soul grinder, not having enough in the way of that kind of muscle and sinew over the legs, that's exactly what they've fixed with the hellbrute, the forge fiend, and the muller fiend. Yeah.

Like, they've kind of integrated the two, like, biological, demony bits and actual mechanical stuff. So much better with those kits. Yeah, I like them a lot. They are some of my favorite kits recently, too. The next two we're going to talk about are arguably my favorite chaos kits outside of the new chosen they launched. Well, and Vastor. Of course, Vastor. Of course.

We support Vastor in this house. Right, yeah. I do like Vashtar might actually be my favorite chaos kit just because he's Oh wow a lot of demon engines look really like big and musly

And Vash store looks like like a gaunt starving person He's he's really It's like someone just stretch the skin over everything it could I don't know I don't know what it is But it's like his face his lantern eyes and everything It's just really like unnerving instead of Ur-ug-bug-bug, I'm chaos. I'm imagining it

a lot more scratchy, you know? I like him because of all the mechanical bits. Like those crazy like scythe wings and his ridiculous looking claw and that backpack are just like, whoa. Like he has a crazy look to him just

all over. That's the thing. I think with a lot of the demon engines, they look like, they look brutal. Like they look heavily muscled or really heavily armored. They they look kind of alien as well in a lot of cases. Vashhtar doesn't have any of that.

He doesn't look like, he doesn't look really chunky or really muscular. He doesn't look particularly big. He's just creepy in every single part of him. The wings aren't really wings. They're made of like giganto knives. The hand is really, really like long and spindly, but also looks serrated and sharp.

he just looks scary. And Demon Engines as a whole do kind of look scary. But he just has like an extra quality of being, because he's so slim and tall, it just looks wrong in the best way. He looks like a demonic Mr. Burns. What? Oh, no.

I just think of him. Oh, why'd you say it? I just think of him a little bit like that right now. I'm like, Mr. Burns, and like the way Mr. Burns walks and his like hunch and everything. Like I've just, that's kind of... No, no, no, no, no.

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, nope, nope, yep, yep, yep, nope, no, no. Curiath, I would love to see the venom crawler. Oh, God, I'm gonna be thinking about that for weeks. You may have ruined that. It doesn't, don't worry, Kriott. You're gonna look at and be like, no, that doesn't actually look like Mr. Burns at all. Yeah, but now I'm hearing Mr. Burns in my head, and it doesn't not fit, and that's the problem. The, the staticky smithy.

Smiths. Oh no So This is a venom crawler And I reckon if they did do A new defiler Which they should It should basically be a much bigger version of this

But with a bit more armour Because the venom crawler is Oh yeah Awesome Oh yeah Oh yeah That's good stuff That's good stuff right there

Do we have a picture Of its fat Fucking dumper we have a picture Oh yeah it's got a big It's got a big ass Hasn't it It's got a massive ass

Only Bricky could see a venom craw and be like Hey Keria you got a picture of that thing's big fat ass What the You gotta understand man You gotta see this It's just because the back of it is like heavily demonic and fleshy And it looks really cool

All right And there's a reason for it as well right Brickie isn't just saying this because he's got like a weird obsession this is an actual thing. That was way worse than I expected you to post. I was just looking for an angle shot and you got the... Oh, wow.

You got the phone. Yeah, I don't love that. I actually do not love that. That looks awful and I hate it. I love how... Oh, that's so disgusting. How, like, stretched in all the tubes that are coming out of every little side angle of it.

Yeah, and those just little sinews that are just barely hanging on for dear life. Oh, no. No, that's gross. Oh, I hate it. It's awesome. It is great chaos aesthetic because it just makes me unsettled. The thing is as well, it's like there's reason for it too, which it's not just there for the hell of it.

So these are one of the, one of the demon engines where they're not necessarily the demons that are pulled into it, don't necessarily want to be there. They are like bound into these things And when they When they go hunting And when they kill stuff They will like Haunt places They'll like have parasitic demons

That are summoned into the chassis of the venom crawler And as more of them are like absorbed into it They're like weird Gut ass Will just become more distend and filled with like energies that can be harvested to create other demon engines. I don't think I've ever heard their weird gut ass used in a sentence until today. Thank you for that, Karioth.

It's not the proudest I've ever been, but you know. Do you think the Nurgle one uses it far more for the brat gas to like, like, do you think like it spreads poison? You know, because in game, when the hellbrut fires at something, they get affected by, Nergel's aura. It's like a way to transmit it. So do you think, do you think,

I want you to think about this for a long time. Do you think, though? I want you to think about this for a long time. I can't keep this going. Ready, sit with it. I can't. I wish there's stew in it. You ever,

oh no. Not the stew. You ever go into a shower and close the door and fart and then accidentally hotbox yourself? by doing so. Sir. What the fuck is going on, dude? Sir, this is a Wendy's.

You have to stop. Just order something and go. Technically in spider anatomy, it's called abdomen, not fat dumper bricky. Well, you know what they say. Science is all made up words. You haven't watched enough anime

if you don't think spiders have fat dumpers. Oh, that's so much worse than anything I just said. I that's so the next one is the hellstalker yes yes yes I don't know I don't know what to do with the last of that that section other than hope that shy nukes it and it it's never sees the light of day

so let's talk about the hellstalker hellstalker which is it's kind of relegated in a way to being a glorified horse but it's still really cool It's the mount for the Lord Discordant, which is a chaos. For some reason, I was going to say a chaos boss guy, but I don't know why. I think you've just broken me down over the last like 50 minutes,

and it's really starting to affect me. You're welcome, Kyriath. You're welcome. Welcome to our world. I thought I was used to it by now, but apparently not. Ooh, that's so cool. So good. It's honestly, it's so good in like a million ways, but to me the face makes it.

It's the weird, multi, like, fanged maw of metal. It's so creepy. Whoa, it's like a chaos armored scorpion horse mount. That's so cool. The dude on the back is really cool, too. He has this giant chain glave, which is just a great sentence. Oh, in general. I didn't know that was a thing.

Plus his mask, that like skull face mask and all the, I mean, like, if you look at the, if you look at the mini close up, you could even see the, like, he's got like an eyeball. He's like a targeting squig, but for, but for chaos on his, his, uh, trophy racks. Oh, is that a trophy rack? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, same, same deal. Yeah, yeah. It's awesome. I love you.

Shia is also correct. is a huge pain in the ass to build. Yeah, it can confirm. Oh, yeah, because it's, there's so many spiky bits on it, too, that, yeah. It's so spindly. Like, the core of it isn't too bad, but all, like, there's so many spikes and the legs and the, you just, you just start bleeding, which is very chaos, but it's also, you know, not what I want at the start of a relaxing session of painting, you know?

I was thinking it, and shy just said it, but with how many little spikey, like, thin bits there are, I bet this thing breaks like nothing. It's not actually. It might just be me. It's the glaive? The glave. The glave is the part that's the really high up compared to everything else, and that often gets caught. Or the tail.

Yeah, I was thinking like the tail or like the spiky tendrils. Not so much the legs or the gun, but I was thinking like those tendrils and spikes. And yeah, that looks like a nightmare to actually deal with as a mini. I've broken the glave once. but not any of the other bits so far. I mean, I've dropped it several times because every single model I own ends upon the floor repeatedly.

But yeah, it's so... I think it's probably the closest I'd go to, like, perfect for, like, what the demon engine should be. I think just every part of it works super well. And especially when you zoom in on things. So, like, if you look at the face with these weird little claws and stuff, the syringe on the face of it,

it exists to inject scrap code into its, like, into other combatants. So when it fights stuff, it injects scrap code into them. It's the techno virus injector. Yes. So the admec must hate this. Like, this is like the anti-admec chaos demon engine. Yeah, it's like in-game, if I'm not mistaken. Well, it's different now, but back then,

Basically what you would do is if there was an enemy vehicle next to it, let's say I had 20 health left. You would just grab 20 dice and roll it. And every six it would do it would like remove one. So it's just like it's like meant to be debilitating. I think in game now if you're close to it, it can like screw with your targeting and maybe even make you not shoot if you roll well enough. Unfortunately, the just go lord is really bad right now. But he. Yeah.

It's not as fun as it was. No, but he was like top dog for a while. It's also like also lovely when one of the coolest-looking models is also one of the strongest. Yeah, that's such a badass, Minnie. He is super cool. It's probably by my favorite. Just the vibe. It's great.

Yeah, that's a tough one not to immediately fall in love with. If you have any sort of inkling towards chaos, that's got to be like top three. Yeah, it's awesome. I'll tell you what. That in Vash Tor. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. Although fielding Vash Tor is an exercise and being sad, so. That Vash Tor is so bad.

He gets pride of place on the shelf and never anywhere else. Hey, at least he looks really great, so if, you know, you don't have to field him. You've got something nice to look at. Yeah, yeah. So I reckon we've got a little, just we'll do. Just do a couple of God-specific ones, because there's a couple of demon engines that... I feel like, especially, D.K., you'll really like a couple of these. So...

I better. The first up is the Plague Hulk, which is a... You can guess. You can guess what the Plague Hulk's from. Big. It's definitely big. It's a Death Guard thing, right? Because it's a plague thing, right?

This is a Plague Hulk. It's got to be a big nergaly... Oh! Rose. Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. Oh, so it's like a... This looks like it's just like one of those... Yeah, I was going to say it's a defiler, but like super nergaly.

Pretty much. It's basically a really horrendous soul grinder style... Style demon engine, which... It's a forge world model. It's absolutely brilliant. And awful at the same time. Are those giant maggots coming out of its stomach? I don't know if the...

Are all the entrals? Yeah. They could be both. It's gross. Man, that's a... That is a premier nergel mini. Mini... It's really awful.

I love it. I love these things. I don't know that they're still in production. I believe they're gone now, which is a shame. But you've basically got like the lower half of the defiler because you've got the double-pronged claws at the front. But then this horrible... It's so, like, droopy and open the body.

It's really awful. I really like it. Similar vein, there's also a Ford World model called the Blight Drone, which is horrendous. Oh, I love that thing. It's so good. I love the blight drone. Oh, I've seen these. We're in these in Bolt Gun?

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're, I think they look kind of stupid. Yeah, a little bit.

But they've got the little dangly, what is it called? Is it the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, little, the, little, the little poopy, like, like, Yeah. Yeah. And then they got, they got the props.

Do they have that little probuscus, that little dumpy? Is that what you said? My brother in Christ. I did not say that little, I did not say dumpy. No, go check the tape. I didn't say. you that.

Oh, okay. I refused. I just corrupted me this episode and now I'm hearing don't be everywhere. God damn British telling me to... I'm not having it. I'm not... The tape.

We're in like the 1970s, right? That's fine. Wait, did you have a... Wait, hold on. The blight drone's hilarious, but I got a... We got to show, D.K., the... Maphitic blight holler and the other... The other flying one, whatever it's called.

Oh, yes. So the... The feted bloat drone. I think, to be honest, the feted bloat drone is actually a cool model. I don't like the myphitic blight hauler because it looks too cute. The blight hauler. I've seen these. The blight hauler is a bit too stubby, I agree.

But the flyer, I love the... You want to tell D.K., what that weapon is on the left-hand side? Oh, wait, of which one? The flyer or the tank looking? Middle picture left one flyer Oh What was it What was it called?

Hang it The flesh mower That was it Oh no Nope nope nope nope nope nope Oh god Does it do what I think it does Oh it mows the lawn

Oh yeah It gets like significantly more attacks The whole point Just like eat a whole squad of guardsmen Just like Just go in there Just blend them up real good It just hovers off the ground, constantly spinning it.

I love that. I do like the Blightholler's little face. I could use a little bit more going on, but I do like it's a little crab face. Yeah, that is, I do like that. Little crab face mower thing, I like that. That's cool. That's the thing that kind of like, it both makes it and spoils it for me. I love the little face, but I don't love it because it's like a nergle thing.

I love it because it's adorable. and I don't know that I necessarily want that in my demon engine of disease and plague, you know? But then again, a lot of Nurgle stuff does have like a little kind of cutesy element to it. I mean, the sassy nurgling is the most popular Nogglewil ever made.

I kind of agree though. Like, I feel like when you look at it and if it's not painted like that, it could be for literally any chaos faction. Like this does not look like a Nurgle-specific. thing. Like, that could be anybody's little crazy demon engine tank mower. Yeah, that's true. It's not, like, fleshy and

diseased enough for, like, a deathguard-specific unit. Yeah, I think I agree with that, actually. I feel like the bloat drone is. The bloat drone's just got some, like, weird aura of, of just horribleness about it that the blight-hauler doesn't have. Also, the plague-bursts mauler, mortals. I don't, I don't just, it shouldn't be on the list. It shouldn't be a demon engine.

That has literally the same vibes to me where it's like that could be for any chaos faction. That doesn't look like a death guard specific. And that just looks like a mortar that any chaos faction could use. It looks great. But yeah, if you just change the paint job to blue, it's like, oh yeah, that's totally a thousand sun's thing. Also, they really messed up the background for that because they said that it was something

designed by Mortarian. but what they did when they kind of they did a forge world unit for Horace heresy which was I think it was the Architor Bombard or something like that I forget the exact name of it but it was a tank that was basically that

but then for some reason they just made it so that Mortarian made the Death Guard only version and came up with it which makes it seem like he just plagiarised something he'd seen during the Horace heresy instead of it being a

the Deathguard captured a bunch of them and turn them into this weird thing, which I'm still, like, I just don't understand the logic behind it. They were like, here's a tank that looks really similar to another tank that came way before it. Yeah.

It's not the same tank. He just liked it. Can I copy your homework, but don't make it too obvious? Yeah, it kind of felt like that. Oh, it's mortar, because it's designed by Mortarro. Okay.

Land Raider strikes back. Arkin Land. Land. Raider. We love Arkin, land. Yeah, he's great.

He's the best. He is. So, we have previously talked about the Lord of Skulls. I'm pretty sure. Did we bring up

the Lord of Schools before? Or am I imagine of that? We must have. I know of the Lord of Skulls, yeah. Yeah, it's been talked about. Funny Tank, Treadbottom.

With tons of skulls. Tons of skulls. Shai hates that she likes her Kaitan a lot more. Yeah. I was going to say, we're going to talk about the more,

the less silly version, which is the Kaitan, which is, basically the Lord of Skulls, but they gave it legs. Also, is that... Is that Bainblade shooting directly into the Lord of Skull's stomach hole? I know. I think the... I think it's just a perspective issue.

Yeah. Okay. Just in the little thumbnail there, I was like, that is a very... That is a very specific fetish, but you go off. It's fine. We have really broken you, Kyriath that you are saying that. Do not. How dare you just... judge me. How dare you?

I only said it was specific. I didn't say it was bad. I feel like there's some shame going on here that you don't need to be feeling, all right? Oh, so you accept it. So you're encouraging it. Hey, guys, listen, let's not fight over this. It's 2023. If your thing is a tank gun going into a Kytin's, you know, blowhole, then by all means.

you guys do you. I'm here for you. Sleigh. Go go watch an anime snake being a man. You know, you could probably very easily find that. That sounds like a monster Musume reference. That is what that reference was. Kaitan, it has legs. That was too anime for me.

I just, I didn't have anything for that. But I like how this was the introduction to this thing. I'm hoping. I kind of don't like the legs on the Kaitan. I kind of like it with the stupid treads better. All right, no, you, you, you, yeah, I'm sorry, what? This, this is a siege of Vrax nuclear take right here. I'm sorry, what?

The legs, like, the top, like, it's, it looks so weirdly top heavy to me. Look, I, as someone who, like, it looks like, the legs need to be bulkier. As someone who has, like, who did the whole Lord of Schools thing, put it together, modified it a little bit, I need to respectfully ask what the fuck are you talking about? Like, it needs some big chunky Gundam legs. What does you mean? They are chunky.

No, no, there's a specific Gundam from a... Okay, I'm going to really go Weebonne. There's a specific Gundam. It's called Star Dust Memory. There's this one Gundam that's got these big-ass chunky legs. And it needs like these really, like, chunked out legs. Those are just...

The legs are too skinny. It's a cool mini, but they're just... I need to say something very important here. It's going to be mind-blowing. He skipped leg day. I actually agree with D.K. I like the treads more. Let's go, baby!

I like the treads more mainly because whenever I think world eaters, I think, like, moronic. I think just a frothing, blunt instrument into face. and the idea of a gigantic tank rolling up to beat you in the head with an axe just it's it's it's peak i love it like why world bears yeah word bears sorry what world eaters world eaters i never mind i like the legs more dk you've got sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm really hoping i like the tank i'm over caffeinated on bad takes i'm sorry it feels it feels like yeah like also the giant

vials in the back are filled with blood. That's how it powers itself. Like, it's just, I don't know. There's something about, but we talked about the world eater, Lord Invocatis character when he was flying in the air with land raiders in the sky on trails of fire, shooting down planes.

And like world eaters jumping from rhinos in the sky on a, on like a my little pony thing of flame. And to me, it just like the idea of a Lord of Skulls also on the ground doing shenanigans. like that just fits. It just fits. Yeah. Shai said it's a melee tank fuel with bloodbricky. It's peak dumbass, so no wonder D.K. loves it.

And no wonder I love it. That would explain why we've been such big fans of you for so long, Shai. I really hope that the mic picked up me getting up from my chair and leaving the room and slamming the door behind me because I'm pretty sure Discord cut all of that off. I mean, to be fair, to be... I've bought a lot of schools. I've put it together. And I used it a lot. So I can't really be too hypocruical about this,

but it can't, it's just not as cool. It's just not, it's just not as, it just can't do as much. Like, it can't turn properly. And the stomach gun is kind of weird and not functional. If the kite's, if the chitin legs were like a little beefier,

I think I'd be into him more. So basically, you just want thick thighs is what you're after. Yes, sir. Well, yeah, actually, yeah. Is that a problem? You know what? I can respect it. They are so thick, they have treads.

We are so curse this episode. Whoa. Kiri, you bring out some strange stuff in us, dude. You can't blame me for this. You can't, like, I think it's the opposite around. I think you've done something to me this time around. Look, we've got two things left that I want to show you. I'm with Kiri off on this one.

This is our fault. I feel. I feel vindicated. So, two more. We've got the blood slaughterer. Oh, let's go. Guess who that belongs to? Oh, surely.

Well, that's... Well, that's... Obviously, right? Surely. Wait. Obviously. No, that's obviously corn. Is that the blood slaughterer?

Well, there's two different versions, basically. Okay. I mean, that looks pretty dope, though. I thought it's like the harpoon one, isn't it? No, the harpoon one is the... Hang on. So, oh, wait, which one? Wait, hang on.

Hang on a second. Because there's two different versions of the bloodslaughter. There's this, and then there's, like, a slightly... Where has it gone? There's, like, just a kind of model variation of it, both, like, four to world models. The harpoon one... Oh, wow, that is a piece of art right there. Whoa.

Absolutely horrifying. They're not... Yeah. That guy is so dead. He is getting absorbed. into chaos so hard. Sheesh. But it's basically, it's bigger than a, it's bigger than a, like a box note for the space marines.

But it has legs made of knives, and it has knives made of knives. And they just exist entirely to absolutely rip everything in front of them into pieces. Yeah, I was going to say, is he walking on his arm knife, knife? Yeah, pretty much. I think it's the other one on Forge World that has got the Impaler Harpoon that was it. I was looking for it. So they've got like, there's kind of technically loadouts

that they can have, but they pretty much, pretty much all have the whole too many swords for one guy kind of vibe going on. Yeah, that is such a weird design too. I mean, I love it, but that's such a strange, like it looks like a torso

that's just walking on like you said, knives. It's just such a, like it looks like it got bisected, and it's just like, ah, well, I've got all these knives, I might as well make use of them and crawl along. Yeah, pretty much. It's so chaos. I love it. I absolutely love this thing. It's also, like, a relatively old model as well.

Like, it's been around for quite a while. But they are, they are, like, they're not massively, they're not massively heavily armored, but they are very fast. They're, like, really fast, and they've got enough. like chitter along, like on those little... Yeah, yeah. Oh, I hate that. Oh, boy, that's awful.

They pretty much just sprint across the battlefield at you and then carve you into little pieces before you know what's going on. Oh, that's a nightmare. It's great. I love those. I kind of wish there was... I kind of wish they'd become plastic at some point,

because that'll be you. Shai says it's also so effed up even for corn worshippers. They don't put a demon inside it until the actual battle starts because it never wants to not be killed. killing. Yeah, that does... It's got one job.

It's got one job, and he wants to do it all the time. All the time. Yep. It's a workaholic. So, the last one, the last one, and I... As soon as... When me and shy, we were talking about what to do for this episode, this was a large reason as to why I wanted to do this particular topic,

because I really wanted to show you the brass scorpion. Oh, I hate this model The brass scorpion? The brass scorpion. Whoa! Oh, it's this thing! I've seen this! Yeah, this thing is cool?

Sure. I don't like it. Is it just too armory or something for you and not, like, chaotic enough? No, it conceptually is very weak. It needs more flesh. Yeah, yeah, it... I could see that.

I could see... Especially for, like, a demon engine. You expect it to be, like, over... fleshy and grotesque and mutated. And this does look kind of just like, oh, it's a scorpion shooter tank. So, you know. I will say, there is a absolute caller. Oh, God.

Yeah. Corses in the wires are pretty cool. There is a guy who had like a full scale emperor class Titan. And he took the hand and turned it into an Adams family style brass scorpion. where the wrist was is where the turret was and stuff and it crawled along the battlefield. Ever since I saw that, I was like, damn, and I looked at what the actual Brass Scorpion looked like.

And I'm like, oh, I like yours more. Yeah, that's a very clever use of a Brass Scorpion. Yeah, so that was the reason I'm kind of like, I've been spoiled by it, but it's a fun one. Gotcha. Yeah, I like it. It's fine. It's just, yeah, I think I kind of a little bit agree with Bricky

that it's like when you think a demon edge you expect a lot more like twisted, gnarled chaos. Conceptually it is also very like direct compared to everything else. Like when you look at things like the Heldrake, the Venom Crawler, even the Defiler and Soul Grinder, they haven't been built to like look like a specific thing.

Like if you look at the blood slaughterer, like just even scrolling up a little bit, it's like, oh, here's this weird, this weird, like, mess of wires and carapace and knives and it looks really creepy, but it doesn't necessarily look like anything. Whereas the brass scorpion, it literally just looks like a robot scorpion. Like a brass scorpion, yeah. Well, like compared to everything else, that kind of really specific design that is based off something that, you know, we know and is just a thing that exists, it kind of stands out as being weird, but I would argue in a,

like, not the right way. Everything else is weird because it looks like a weird mess of, you know, cables and creature and mechanical items and guns and stuff, and they don't look like anything other than what they are, whereas the Brass Scorpion is like, oh, cool, it's a robot scorpion. Why is it a robot scorpion? Why is Corn got a robot scorpion? What's the Scorpion bit for? It looks like one of those things that like depending on how you paint it or whatever,

you could justifiably roll it for the space marines, just loyelists, or you could run it for chaos. Like it's just kind of that in between where it's like, yeah, it's cool. But like it's not, I could see someone mixing that up as not being a chaos thing if they never knew the difference. Or like their first time at a 40 hitters. Oh, cool scorpion, sure. If you literally just colored it green, it's a Necron model. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's fair, I didn't thought about that.

The hazard stripes and like iron warriors colors, that's kind of doing it for me. That hits pretty hard, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. It's a very iron warriors looking creature because, you know, a little more metal. Yeah. Maybe that's the thing. Maybe it's not quite like corn enough. Maybe it's too kind of controlled. Yeah, it definitely doesn't seem like a corn thing for sure.

It seems way outside corn's box. Oh, wait, no, it is corn's thing because it's brass, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I remember seeing one guy did a demon-en engine, or a demon prince conversion for Iron Warriors, where I think it was

a Stodys dreadnought, retrofit with a gigantic hammer and seed shield. as like a custodese kind of demon prince thing and I was like sorry as an Iron Warriors demon prince thing and I think that the more cleaner metal

like like I think of word bearers and I think okay flesh with with metal when I think of Iron Warriors I think like cables and metal I mean there's plenty of flesh and the Iron Warrior stuff don't get me wrong but So Shai just boasts of the concept art for them and that would have been so much better

I mean, it'd probably be an absolute mess to make that into a mini, but that sort of fits the idea of what I would sort of expect from a chaos demon engine brass scorpion. Top left, definitely. Oh, absolutely. The tendrils make it. And there's like all that skin coming out and the claws are more prominent and yeah. I found the conversion. Oh, wow, that's...

The Iron Warriors thing. It's kind of the vibe I can see, you know, a bit more. Oh, that's the Iron Circle robot, isn't it? Forge World. Oh, yeah, it is. You're right, it's not Stodys Treadnought. My bad. But yeah, that's like their demon prince conversion.

Like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's really cool. The thing is that, if you go between the Iron Warriors, like, painted brass scorpion and then scroll down to that demon prince, like, same army. Just like you could put those next to each other, and it would look like they were designed to be next to each other for me. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, also, but also the new chaos demon prints, like the actual new demon prints, looks incredible. Yeah, it's insane. It's so good. Anyway, is that all you got for us? But yeah, I think that's a good place to... I mean, to be honest, there are loads more,

but a lot of them are like epic things, and hilariously... small, but I'm also aware that frequently when we do this, we get to a certain point and then Shai has to threaten to murder us for us to stop. So that's probably a good point

to, there we go, yep, there we go. Wow, that's great. That is one of the most corn things I've ever seen. Now I need you to take a world eater and have them on the top with a leash. With a leash. Just on one.

of the bone spires just with a leash and it has to be Wally right Fuck you Get corn tower of skull That actually would be a hilarious Conversion meme The corn lord of skulls Corn Tower of skulls

Corned dog of skulls And it's just like a really big blood Crusher Just put the The torso of the Kiten up on top of the spire And then you've got the Tower of

Lord of Skulls Tower of Lord of Skulls The Tower of Lord of Skulls Just see how many elves you can ram him there It's true, yeah To be fair The Tower of Skulls is an actual thing It's not something

It's just been made up Oh boy Please tell me Wait, okay, it's not Because that's a Bainblade chassis on the bottom Obviously So it is I mean it's not a unit obviously

but was there like a lore thing where they said corn worshippers took over this damaged bane blade and turned it into a mobile tower or is this someone's conversion of the concept? This is a conversion of it, yeah. It's basically just a big wheeled tank or track tank that has got gun towers made of schools. Covered in guns, just rolls forwards and crushes everything in front of it whilst also shooting things. it's silly. It's also not got an official model. No, really.

There is the cauldron of blood. You can have a cauldron of blood if you want. I was going to say, with knowing GW, it wouldn't surprise me if they had a forge world mini of this. And they were just like, oh yeah, it's just $20,000, guys, no big deal. What the fuck is that? It's a classic cauldron of blood. That is, that is an old mini.

Yikes. You know what? Some absolutely insane nonsense came out of epic back in the day. They made models of any old nonsense. Would you like to... Doom blaster. Oh, no. They've come a long way.

Yeah, yeah, we need a separate video for this sort of nonsense. Otherwise, we're going to be here all day. We need like an epic era, like, demon engines video. I will say To end this episode with a fun story I remember buying a couple I wanted to buy two Bainblades off of eBay and

some guy was selling them for really cheap because I guess he wasn't playing anymore like really cheap and I got them and they showed up and they were epic so Epic is like a 20th of the scale decay so they were like tiny little paper weights and I was like this guy absolutely scammed me I cannot believe he

did this because I thought he put epic in the title as in they were really cool. They were really cool. Yeah. They were epic pain blades and I'm like, nice. I got these for like 50 bucks each or something like that. And then and then I realized that I was a I was the dumb dumb. Unironically, that sounds like exactly something I would do without a doubt. Well, they like to keyword soup the eBay stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. Epic makes sense.

Also, you've got to stick ProPainted in there as well. Pro Painted goes in every single all. Pro Painted has been doing some heavy lifting lately. That and AI generated descriptions, which have become my new favorite thing to find, because you'll see things like, this Chaos Night will delight the discerning collector. And it's like, mate, it's a Chaos Night.

What are you talking about? It's fine. Why are you selling it to me so hard? Oh, okay, it's clearly AI. This is great. Yep, yep, yep. Oh, my God. All right.

Play us out. Bloodslaughter, because hell is wheelchair accessible. As all places should be. God bless the four powers.