Adeptus Ridiculous - DORNIAN HERESY: WARHAMMER IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

Check out Warhammer 40k Inquisitor Martyr Console Ultimate Edition here: https://bit.ly/3FjGIky Sponsored by Naconhttps://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/https://www.collectiblesquids.com/ code: ADRICIt is a time of legend.The Galaxy is in flames. The Emperor's glorious vision for Humanity is in ruins. His most stalwart son, Rogal Dorn, has turned from his father's light and embraced the Ruinous Powers.His armies, the mighty and redoubtable Space Marines, are locked in a brutal civil war. Once, these ultimate warriors fought side by side as brothers, protecting the galaxy and bringing Mankind back into the Emperor's light. Now they are divided.Some remain loyal to the Emperor, whilst others have sided with the Arch-Betrayer. Pre-eminent amongst them, the leaders of their thousands-strong Legions are the Primarchs. Magnificent, superhuman beings, they are the crowning achievement of the Emperor's genetic science. Thrust into battle against one another, victory is uncertain for either side.Worlds are burning. At Isstvan V, Dorn dealt a vicious blow and three loyal Legion were all but destroyed. War was begun, a conflict that will engulf all Mankind in fire. Treachery and betrayal have usurped honour and nobility. Assassins lurk in every shadow. Armies are gathering. All must choose a side or die.Dorn musters his armada, Terra itself the object of his wrath. Seated upon the Golden Throne, the Emperor awaits for his wayward son to return. But His true enemy is Chaos, a primordial force that seeks to enslave Mankind to its capricious whims.The Age of Knowledge and enlightenment has ended. The Age of Darkness has begun.Support the show

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Blan angels sealed the deal because it was the Blangles. And now we are talking about a fan theory. The Dornian heresy, a classic case of what would it be like if the traitors were loyalists still and the loyalists were traitors? We've gotten, this has been heavily requested.

it. So I'm kind of excited to see how this goes and how the, uh, how, how the role reversal actually plays out. According to a fan theory, because this isn't canon. This isn't something that actually, uh, exists in the canon of 40K. This is all just like fan fiction, right? Yeah. This is all just a, uh, yeah, a fan theory written up. None of this is just an idea. Um, you know, I, I'm always very skeptical when it comes to fan stuff, uh, because a lot of times fan theory stuff likes to kind of jerk themselves off a lot. Yeah, they like to play up the favorites, you know, and they, you know. Yeah, they tend to be a little too ship happy or something or a little more unrealistic than maybe you'd like.

Which is an ironic thing to state because saying that things are unrealistic in the world of 40K is a, that's a whole, that's a whole can of worms. But, yeah, like, whatever you, there's always the joke that whenever someone creates their own space marine legion they make lore for them and they're like they've never lost a single battle they're secretive and no one knows they exist they're so dark and edgy and unbeatable and

unattainably awesome and hua it's all very very old school like playground kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but for this one in particular it's actually not too bad

there's some work put in here There's some genuine thought processes and some good effort went into finding a good reason why some would be traitors. Some would stay loyal or stay loyalists and the vice versa. Some are not as good as others. But, you know, as far as fan theories go, it's not bad. Good. So. I'm glad to hear it.

I'm excited then. So most of the Dornian heresy maintains its canon style. A lot of the same events will unfold, but they will have a slight twist to them. that will allow it to make, add to different kinds of routes. So the first one was the Council of Nakia, which is something that, you know, I don't think we talked much about, but it's basically the emperor being like, psychers, cringe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When I was really into Thousand Suns, I vaguely remember that. And Magnus was like, what do you mean, psychers are cringe? Like, come on, Dad, this is a resource that we could very easily use. to help us. And he's like, no, stop it. Bad. Yep, that's basically what it was. He just kind of dunked on Magnus and was like, no, your powers are stupid. Shut up, despite him himself being the most powerful psycher in the universe. But we'll get to that. Instead, this time around, the decision was changed. This is the, probably the major difference that changed the entirety of the of the events overall, is that,

instead of just, you know, three-pointing on madness, he basically decided, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Like, okay, you know, you can do your sorcery stuff and that's fine. Be careful and all that stuff. But he decided like, all right, yeah, this time around, you actually went along the lines of being like, okay, sure. Well, you can kind of do your thing a bit more. Oh, so he tells Magnus it's okay to be a psycher and do psychic stuff and all that? He says like definitely at least for Magnus, yeah. Magnus can kind of go ahead and do his own thing and be a little bit more, still be cautious, be careful, be a thing,

but like you can practice your path, so speak. Yeah, okay. So everything else from there kind of goes on the same. Horace was still stabbed by poison infected Nergel ship. on Gavin. But this time, he didn't entirely rely on Aribus to do his ritual to heal him

because Magnus actually was able to get there and use his psychic powers to excise the wrought gross nergel power inside of him. So Chaos could not get his grip on Horace. Gotcha. So Aribus truly did get fucked this time. There's like, there's an image of all the Primark's Reformation.

versed. Here it is. And I think Erebus is like dead. Yeah, there it is. Here is the image. Oh boy, Arabis dead. I like it. Arabis, if you look at the left-hand side,

the Ecclesi-looking dude is actually Lorgar. And I believe he has Erebus as a flaming effigy on his staff. Oh, nice. Which is a little... Glad to hear it. Glad to hear that Erebus is dead. Love it. Love it.

The best possible thing. Yeah, the best possible ending is Arabis getting absolutely owned. Also, but I mean at the same time, look that fucking, look at that goddamn, um, uh, proterabo in the back. That guy is, is a whole bunch of beef. Wow. Yeah, that is, that is a stocky beefcake, yeah. Looks like an armored core guy. Metal Gear Rising.

Jesus. So with the excise of the rotter or nergill infection of Horace, Horace does not fall to chaos. And chaos gets pretty goddamn pissed off about this. Yeah, I'm sure they do, because they don't really have a foothold anymore. So instead, what happens is naturally they go after Dorn. But in between this back and forth, Gillam actually does a very interesting thing where he declares

independence from the Imperium. Wow, Gilliman does? Yep, Gilliman just takes his entirety of Ultramar and says, I'm leaving. Huh. He doesn't necessarily join Trader, so to speak. He just becomes his own sort of independent faction. They succeeded from the Imperium alongside most of Ultima Segmentum and made their own, like, yeah, I don't want to be part of the Imperium, but I'm not going to join Chaos. either. I'm leaving, which is a pretty

Gilliman thing to do if I'm being totally honest. Yeah, I guess so. As far as things that Gilliman would actually do, like him just leaving and being like this, being in part of the Imperium, this is not logistically feasible. I am going to do my own thing with my own laws and my own taxes.

Oh, Gilliman. Oh, Gilly. Oh, Gilla man. Oh, guerrilla. Oh, guerrilla. Oh, guerrilla. So, uh, he's a secedes and in response to this, Rogal Dorm took command of most of the legions to go deal with Gilemon,

deal with him as a problem as if he was a traitor, which I guess in terms of Imperium, he kind of is, but, you know, he's not, he's not like a heretic. He's a traitor, but not a heretic. Yeah. So to speak. But he led a bunch of legions over there. He had the salamanders, the iron hands, the dark angels,

Imperial fists, and then the emperor's children. Ravenguard and World Eaters all went over there to go fight Gilamim. And when they all landed to go do the big war, big bloody bath war against Gilamim, this was actually the new Istvon Five massacre. And in stem, the Salameters, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, and Dark Angels turned on the world eaters, emperor's children, and I think the Ravenguard, which is bizarre because the Ravenguard end up becoming traitor anyway. So it's just a complete role reversal.

Somewhat. I mean, the Raven Guard are loyalists now, but they got turned on by the new traders, yet they became traitor. I think they sold themselves to Zinch in like a Magnus-style thing where they had no choice. Oh, okay.

So I think that's maybe the reason why, but yeah, so the role reversal was there. I think, that Angron actually dies here. Oh, no. Yeah. Maybe he likes that. Maybe he likes going out in, like, glorious combat.

So maybe that's the best case scenario for him. Well, not quite. So Angron's lore is a bit different. Instead of getting the butcher's nails, he got like an aggression chip put in his head. It's a lot less powerful and annoying. But after he turned his guys onto the guards, all of his gladiars started running out and murdering civilians.

And he was like, wow, that's bad. I don't like this. Yeah, that's not good. And instead of Biggie just teleporting him back to the flagship, Biggie actually had Horace with him. And Horace was like, hey, maybe don't teleport him alone. He'll probably hate you. That's probably a bad idea.

Maybe we should all just go down there and help him. And Biggie was like, you know, you know, favorite son? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. And so they help him instead of just watching his friends and family die. So Angron gets kind of the good. He gets dad's help. Dad comes down to help him with Gilemon, surprisingly, and everything is great with them.

Angron takes the place of Ferris and Manison here, where I believe he goes in mega-beserk mode to let all of his sons escape the betrayal, but I believe dies in the process. Oh, okay. So he's kind of an honorable ending. A little bit, yeah, but I mean, you know, he's still betrayed and all that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sucks, but yeah. Yeah, it sucks, but it do. be what it is. At least his home world is still alive, I guess. Or, well, I think. That doesn't matter. He saved his brothers, whatever.

He saved his sons. Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, it's, or on the other side of it. Oh, yeah, I guess this kind of adds to this. I'm talking about how Lima Russ and Magnus kind of did, like, unlike the Prospero one, Ravenguard kind of got stuck into the whole Zichian vibe and all that. Well, the actual Lehman Russ of itself was none too pleased with the Council of Nakia's new verdict. Yeah, of course, not.

Yeah, he saw a big E to be like, what a traitorous act to allow these witches to be among us, because, you know, Lehman and Russ. Because Lehman Russ is Lehman and Russ. So actually, the burning of Prospero still happened. The difference is that they did it because fuck you, Magnus. Ah, not because the emperor told them to. Yeah, and Horace didn't intercept it or anything. It was literally just, damn, Magnus's foul sorcery is going to betray the emperor one day. So they did it out of a loyalist ideal, but it ended up turning them later on.

We'll talk about that later. But Magnus never actually had to do this. the warp to the emperor and destroy the webway thing. Yes, he never did the, he never did a Kool-Aid man into the imperial palace and was like, Dad, watch out! Yeah, he never did the big fucky-wucky where, whoops, sorry guys. Sorry, guys, I did something wrong, it would appear. Yeah.

But, so the reason why Dorn was actually the new Chaos Undivided Champion is, because basically a combination of multiple factors, but he was pissed at being sent back to Terra when everyone else was going around doing glorious battle stuff. He hated Perchirabo. You know, some things never change, you know? Yeah, some things just stay the same. And Horace getting Warmaster also annoyed him majorly,

which is why he started going more and more to his little pain glove. As a way to cope and seed, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. Which slowly kind of weakened his mind a little bit, allowing chaos to worm their way into him. So chaos got to him because he was too reliant on the magic pain glove and it weakened his mind and he just kind of flipped out and went to chaos. They chose him as their new major traitorous,

arch traitor of chaos undivided, yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So that was kind of the main way he went to traitor before they sent and did this big old massacre. Okay. So of course, normally they go to Terra. They had this giant old fight at the gates of Terra. But for the roles all being reversed, there was some bizarre stuff.

So these space wolves were quote unquote baptized in the blood of the thousand sons. Which actually made them succumb to corn. So our new Corn Legion are the Space Wolves. That makes sense. And here's a little bit of a fan art of that. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, you get a pretty good little Lehmanor Rus, go full-on demonic wolf form. Which, you know, I kind of thought they would go blood angels with that one, but they didn't.

They chose Space Wolves. but, you know, the murder of the Thousand Suns makes sense. Yeah, I tell you, if that was an actual Chaos faction, I think I'd be on board with the Space Wolves, because that's really dope. DK? Being on board with the Space Wolves? No way.

No fucking way. Yes, way, man. While these slaughtered and murdered Thousand Suns are all over the ground. Oh, my God, I just realized he even has a tail. Does it? Oh, yeah, he does. Yep. That's just really cool.

like that sort of demonic wolf vibe is really, really nice. It does look pretty neat though. Mm-hmm. I like it a lot. So that's how the space wolves went down. The blood angels actually were tricked as their genetic flaw had them drinking the blood of these nergily infected people. Oh. And they had actually a pretty similar fall to the death guard where they could.

kind of got tricked and they had their legions to come instead as opposed because, you know, typhus was a duchy, was a complete douchebag. And so the blood angels actually became the new Nergel faction. Oh, the blood angels became Nergel? Yeah, Sanguinias had this like

pus-ridden wings and stuff and all these like gross distended, all this stuff. Yeah, the blood angels, they'd drinking, infected blood basically. I would not have expected the the blood angels to go nergle.

You'd think they would go corn, right? Yeah, you definitely do it. Well, maybe that's part of the reason why it's somewhat interesting. Maybe. I don't know. The perfect prince becomes diseased. You know, that's the polar opposite. The most beautiful, the most beautiful, oh, speaking of beautiful sons,

this one's fucking hilarious to me. So Fulgrim is loyalist still, right? And basically what Fulgram does is instead of going into that, um, a little lair and picking up that sword that has the demon, in it and shit and being corrupted. He just kind of destroys the place. He's like, oh, God, that's horrible. Just he destroys him.

But ironically, Fulgroom is less likable in this world. He never had to, like, he never has, like, bromance with Farris. And so he's like this immensely pretentious douche. But like, worse than normal. Oh, poor guy. Poor guy.

He never, he never gets the, you know. Nobody ever likes him Well yeah The only one person Well I don't know if only one person ever liked him There was the fairest manus vulgarm romance But besides that It was like

Folgram was always a pretentious douche But I guess he's even more unlikable Which is hilarious He just he can't catch a break man Vulcan's fall was weird Vulcan was like Had like the Kerr's treatment where nobody liked him

and I guess he was like massively disfigured from something involving his home planet and so just no one wanted to be around here the guy and so poor Vulcan yeah well that's the one I kind of think is a little bit me because it's like he just no one wants to be around him also here's another picture of him it's pretty dope I won't lie he's got the big dragon

the demon dragon thing oh yeah that's really dope Whereas, um, Kurs actually kind of did the role reversal of Sanguineas. He still was sneaky terror tactics guy, but he kind of went with the idea that, yeah, my future can be changed. I can put some effort into adjusting the way my future is. And so he put his effort to saving Big E. Um, so the night lords were one of the main defenders on Terra as well as like some of the Iron Warriors and a few others. And so the world eaters, it was.

the space wolves that were the main or one of the main fighting forces along with of course Dorn and everyone there. Is is the one that ends up dying at Biggie's feet trying to defend him? Ah, a great question. We will get there. Oh, okay. The one thing that I've got to be honest, I'm shocked they did this. They did him like this.

You know, we just talked about this before, but Sanguinius has that big fight with Calbonda, the gigantic corn demon. Well, instead of that, it's Per Chirabo. Huh. Okay. And then he fights Pertarabo. And then he fucking breaks Pertarabo's back, flies him into the air really high,

drinks all of his blood, and then chucks his corpse on the ground. And so Pertrarabo just fucking dies. This gets flowed up in the air by Sanguinius just all of his blood drank from him and gets chucked onto the ground. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess Fertirabo can't get a fucking break. I guess not, but go Sanguinius.

Damn. Even in the fake lore, Per Trambo gets shafted. Yep, yep. I'm okay with Sanguinus being that badass, though. I do like that a lot. That's... Even in the Dornian heresy, San Guineas is still best boy. I mean, he does, like, break the back of Calbonda, fly him up in the air and throw him deck down and then rip his wings off and shit.

So, I mean, it works. Good for you, Sanguinius. Good for you. Good job. I'm proud of you, Sanguineas. you're still crazy regardless. Hell yeah. But as Dorn was fighting his way into,

there's a bit of a reverse ideology here thing where instead of Horace having a bit of a time restraint because, oh, the ultramarines, dark angels are coming, they're coming, they're going to be here soon, I got to hurry up. Instead of that,

they have more of the, oh my God, the death guard. Oh, no, the death guard are good. What's the death guard? I forget who. I think it was basically the, I forget who, but basically it seemed as if the, um, uh,

the loyalists were the ones in trouble as opposed to the traitors. Um, but Dorn, because Dorn helped create the imperial palace, he was actually in a way able to trap the emperor and his custodians in his throne room, uh, which is the basically the way to make it so that instead of the emperor being

stuck on the chair to hold back the demons because of madness. Since there was no Magnus problem, he was stuck there anyway because Dorn basically rigged the palace because Dorn built the damn palace. Of course, of course, that makes sense. That makes sense. Who else would know how to rig it? Yeah, sure. I thought it was a pretty interesting way to keep the emperor stuck there mentality vibe, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But with that, once he actually finally made his way into the throne room, good old emperor was gone. Uh-oh. because sneaky boy Kerr's whisked him away through all the various various parts of the palace and stuck him out Let's go night lords Let's go Kerr's what a good boy He's been doing a good job

Also fan art version of Curz actually does look pretty dope too Man's got his uh he looks like night lords all right He doesn't look a whole lot different I was gonna say he looks exactly the same Yep He is a loyalist version and he looks identical He is the same.

There's nothing different other than maybe he's using that spiked sickle thing. Yeah, which, I mean, that's cool, I guess. Very cool, yeah. So, the final gambit, the classic teleport up to the vengeful spirit thing that they hit is all about

Biggie making his way up there because they're running out of time as opposed to the opposite. Oh, okay. Because, you know, Horace was running out of time and his gambit was lower my shields, let the emperor teleport up so I can kill him, because he doesn't know. Whereas the loyalists are the opposite.

So what Conrad does is Conrad's like, I got this. Don't you worry. I have a plan. And he just leaves. He just leaves? And he's just like, don't worry, dad. I got this. Goodbye.

I've foreseen it kind of thing. He has a very similar going to his demise that Sanguinius has. Ah, so he does take the place of sanguinius. Just a bit. Just a bit. Okay, cool. He makes this way onto the vengeful spirit. No, it's not the vengeful spirit.

It is the phalanx. I guess because it's Dorn. It's the Dornian heresy. So it would be Dorn's flagship, which is a wonderful looking flagship. A gigantic circular cathedral of ridiculousness. Yes, so it would be Doren's flagship. So he does go ahead and telepherson. onto Dorn's flagship and stem.

And with that, he deactivates the shields, therefore allowing the emperor to make his way up. So instead of deactivating it from Dorn, Curris sneaks on deactivates the shields and the emperor and Horace teleport up. Okay. The thing to note before this, though, is that before they teleport up,

the emperor hooks himself up to the Astronomacom and does this gigantic, like super mega death death punch um psychic pulse and that kills a shitload of the smaller demons and just big old psychic pulse basically like a like a superhero landing with a big shock wave and the yeah type of punch okay cool uh and so when he teleports up he makes it to the throne room and he sees doran surrounded by a shitload of his dead bodyguards oh And he's, and Doren's like, holy shit. And he's backing his way back up into the pain glove.

And he's like, that, whatever you did down there, like, I can feel chaos is no longer in me anymore. Oh, really? That's like, that's like he pulls their, uh, pulled their grasp from my mind away. I'm trying to get into this pain glove before I hurt anyone else. Huh. So he's, he, is this, is this a gambit? Is he lying? Is he, is he being super chaosian and just trying to lure a big,

in. And then as Horace goes to get him, Vigie notices the dead corpse of Conrad underneath a bunch of rubble. Oh no, Conrad. And realizes that it's not true. It is in fact a gambit.

And right when they figure that out, Doren takes this giant flag staff and shanks Horace in the heart with it. Oh, no, Horace. And fucking kills Horace. Oh, Horace. No. Just can't catch a break, can you Horace?

Horace dies in both cannons. And I guess Curz also dies in both cannons. But it's not just the sanguineous up there thing. It's Curs and Horace die on the flagship. Too loyalist die, yep. So what happens to Big E? Oh, it's the usual. They fight each other.

They, you know, Rogel dies. Gotcha. So it's pretty much the same as if Dorn had been Horace. They fight to the bitter end. Biggie is left basically dead, air quotes. Dorn definitely dead type of thing. Dorn, yeah, air quotes, I suppose would be the main thing. Severely incapacitated.

I'm actually kind of impressed with the, the writing here is not bad. So who did, who started the Dornian heresy? Exactly. Is it one specific author or like one specific fan that did it? Well, I mean, there's still a bit more left, but they created a, it's from the Bolter and Chain Sort, I believe it's presents. It's like a mini old school kind of codex slash, like index for these kinds of various groups. Most of them being originally Loyalists, I'm not

This is Arrelius Rex was the editor for this But I don't know how much of that is fan fluff and things Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I gotta be honest, re-learning a fan theory is fucking hard It's like when you don't It's like when you have bad technique in like a sport Unlearning bad technique is so incredibly difficult Oh yeah

It's easier to teach someone that knows nothing than to unteach bad habits and bad techniques, yeah. It's really tough. And I'm like, okay, so this guy's not, he's there this time instead, and this guy's on this thing instead. But regardless. The most confusing thing in the world.

But instead of the Khan and Dorn, originally taking the emperor back to the Astronomacomacom, Abidon, loyalist Abidon. Loyalist Abidon. There are some words I never thought. Is he still called Abadon the despoiler, or is he just... No, he's not called Avon the despoiler. The new Abidon would be Sigismund, first captain of the imperial fists.

Okay. But Abidon brought him back the Astronomicon instead, the emperor. And Abidon ended up changing from originally Sons of Horace instead of the Black Legion. Abidon became the Black Templars. Oh, I guess that makes sense. It works out as far as like the highest powerful group. The counterpart group that would kind of accept anybody-ish. Yeah, sure.

Whereas Sigisman renamed the Imperial Fists to the Black Legion. Okay. Which makes sense there. That also makes sense, sure. And as far as all of the, you know, then of course they have the heresies over everyone, segments itself off that usual kind of stick. stick, but each of the factions fell in their

own way. Like, we mentioned that the Blood Angels Fall of Nurgle, the Space Wolves fell to Corn, which actually makes a little more sense now I think about it, because Space Wolves hate Cykers so much. Oh, yeah, Space Wals falling to corn makes a lot of sense. It's just Blood Angels and Nurgle is just like, what? I think

maybe the, I think maybe the overarching fact that it's so different is one of the reasons why it works out as well as does. Yeah. I guess because that would be the 180, you know, the beautiful suns into the decayed diseased. Yeah, the pretty perfect sun kind of thing.

Yeah, yep. As for some of the others, the actual Slanesh Legion became the white scars. Wow, really? The white scars go to Slanesh? The Khan got really big off of his, like, own personal vanity and, like, egotistical. thing as they didn't need to go to our Fulgram anymore. And when you think about it, you know, the thrill of speed

is kind of a Sleneschi thing, you know? Oh, that's true. Excitements, you know. Sure, sure. A personal pleasure. The, um, if you will, yeah, sure. We know that the ultramarines did not fall to chaos, but instead actually

succeeded themselves and now their own little group. Of course. Um, Ravenguard fell to zinch with actually Corvus. Korax himself having these like haunting visions of the future because Zinch does that to you. Yep, that that also makes sense. I can see the Ravenguard falling to Zinch.

The iron hands kind of got a little fucky-wucky with the Necrons, which was a big part of the reason why they turned traitor was also, I think it was having to do with the void dragon on Mars trying to get some of that tech. Because like, you know, Ferris Manus has an iron hand. Yeah. And it is a Necron-based, like, necrodermis kind of thing. Yeah, so when you say they got fucky-wucky with the necrons, like, did they fight them? Or did they...

What exactly do you mean? No, trying to take and get their tech, it would look like. Oh, okay. They were literally trying to steal their tech. It's not like they were going to war with them. They were just trying to pull, like, a trazen and steal some weapons, information. tech and stuff. That or possibly colluding with them

for that exact reason. Oh, so they were trying to align themselves with the necrons? Oh, okay. It's, they got, the Ferris Manus one is always weird because he's a bizarre guy in matter of, in canon or not. But they had near Necron stuff. But the Iron Hands one is not very important. The interesting one I like is the dark angels.

even in this one, the lion is still loyal. The difference is that we haven't talked about dark angels yet, but the main thing about the dark angels is the lion versus this guy called Luther, which is just so on the nose considering the naming sequences, the very biblical naming sequences of the dark angels, along with Asrael, Belial, Ezekiel, etc. But the main thing is that Luther and the Dark Angels fight each other And that's the that's why Luther and the successionist Dark Angels become the fallen

That's the big the big twisting the dark angels Okay Where in this timeline Luther actually wins And he beats out the lion instead of the other way around which is why the lion stays loyal, he's lost. Okay. So the lion got knocked down a couple pegs. Yeah, he got dropped down a little bit.

He's like the new loyalist fallen, I suppose you could say. Okay. On the now imperial loyalist, Syme, you actually had the word bearers. This didn't surprise you at all. Lorgar became the new like ecclesiarchy. Wow, what a surprise. Who would have thought? He decided to go all like, he.

He actually did some weird shit. The Sisters of Battle don't exist in this universe. Oh, wow, you must hate this universe. Well, they were all killed by the word bearers, back when they were like Brides of the Emperor with Ghosh Van Dyer. Oh. So, yeah, I'm not a big fan of that. I imagine you're not a huge fan of this canon,

of this, this Dornian heresy anymore. Kind of shit, not gonna lie. I'm not happy about that one. That sucks. Even in fake canon, Lorgar is a douche. Yep. Even in fake canon, you can't like Lorgar. Iron Warriors don't really change much.

They're still siege masters. They just don't have Perjaro anymore. Okay. The sons of Horace became the Black Templars. We discussed that. The Emperor's children stayed with their perfectionist thing, and Vogram was still an awfully annoying person. the Thousand Suns

kind of became like the modern Grey Knights super high pious like psychers mega psycher fighting for the Imperium yep that makes sense

sure the world eaters became a little bit less frothy and just a little bit more like dour and serious a little less frothy well if you get

and I don't know I just find out of the car and right What is that clip of like, is Joe Rogan and the other guy? And they're just like, I have no idea. No idea. Okay, I got to look at Joe Rogan growling.

Oh, I found it. I imagine it probably wouldn't be that hard to find. All right, I'm sorry, you have to watch this now. a required clip this is this is my new canon for world eaters have you ever done DMT yeah that's that is definitely uh frothy world eaters you ever did DMT okay nope can't say how um the death guard actually became like the main part of the inquisition which is really bizarre that is super bizarre they became the inquisition they they became like the main core of it yeah really

weird choice there. That is very strange. Nightlords remain night lords. They just didn't go super over the edge and they didn't have the problem of before. You know. They keep it a little in check. They don't go full on. We're just going to genocide you

and rain bodies on your sister planet. Well. I mean, yeah. Well, I suppose. It depends on the concepts. Depends on the crime. Yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, the custodians have the dread host, and they're like literally terror tactic custodians.

It's true. Oh, okay, okay. Be warned. Be warned, citizen. Be warned, citizen. I may still skin your children. The Alpha Legion are almost identical. They're just, they're just loyal now.

They still hate the ultramarines, just like before. They're still sneaky. They're still weird. They're just loyal. They're just... Okay. They are easily the ones who needed no change. Yep.

Yeah, that's fair. They're the ones that could remain sort of gray, neutral. No, D.K. No, you dumbass. They're gray. They're... They're... They're...

They're... They're... Anyway... What's the next thing? I will say that the actual... Like... What's the one of... The document is really fascinating

with the amount... It's definitely... an old school, an old school codec style document from the way back in the days. Lots of the artwork reminds me of that. I like how the battle cry for the Ultramarines is for Gilliman and the greater glory of Ultramar. They still have not changed because they're fucking Ultramarines.

Yeah, of course not. They're actually mainly fighting off the Tao. The Ultramarines are? Yeah, they're dealing with the Tao at the moment. the most. Okay. They also have, they also have a Gundam armor.

Hell yeah, Gundam armor? Well, now, now, hey, now I'm, now I'm a little more on board. They have a Mark 16 Damocles pattern power armor.

They did look like, they look like what Tao Space Marines, like fan art look like. Kind of interesting looking. Okay, okay. I know that they have, oh, that's right,

they have, they have, what's this one, the word bearer, it says, the emperor protects, but we must also protect the emperor. Ooh. Mm.

The best way to get me on your side is a big jump jets and Gundam armor. Fucking word bears. The word bear is battle cry. You don't have a single fixed battle cry. Instead, an appropriate passage is chosen by the chaplain from amongst the books of Lorgar. He then leads the assembled Marines in a resuscitation of faith before blessing them for the coming battle. Lorgar has not changed. Nope.

Lorgar is basically the same. It's just, he fights for the Imperium now. He's such a, I, uh, um, the white scars still, still have for the con. I must admit, there's a bit of a bizarre one for the space wolves. Their bowel cry is for us, for skulls, for the wolf time. And I'm like, the wolf time. It's, I believe it's supposed to be their final great battle. And to reunite the Legion, I'm imagining they treat like Ragnarok.

But... Yeah, I guess. The wolf time? You couldn't... The wolf time? The wolf time? Maybe I'm not so sold on Dorny and heresy space wolves anymore.

The wolf... If they're shouting for the wolf time. The wolf time. It's Miller time. I like how the sanguineous battle cry is for blood and for sanguineas. And I'm like, that's not much different. No, that's about the same.

That is pretty much about. the same. I don't check the emperor's children real quick. I want to know if the emperor's children have maintained their, for the emperor. I guess they could. Either way. I mean, if they're loyalists, that works. And if they're traitor, it also works because, you know.

The world leaders have for Angron and for the emperor. Oh, okay. All right, the emperor's children one's not too bad. It's children of the emperor, death to his foes. That's all right. That's pretty good. I like that. It's pretty good.

What the Ravenguard? This is the last one that I'm missing here. The battle cry of the chosen role in conducting ambushes, assassinations, and covert operations. The Ravengar referred to approach their prey silently. Instead of these words simply, Nemo me impugn la Cicine. Latin. Too much Latin. Latin.

Makes sense they wouldn't have much of a battle cry because they're more about stealthy assassinations and such, though. The Dornian heresy is kind of, it's a neat concept. I think that the actual writing in the document does a much better justice than I can do covering it. Because it's easy to talk just about like, here's what's different. Here's the difference. But because of that, I'm always comparing it to the main thing. And when you read it, like it starts off interestingly, because it actually starts off from the point of view of an Eldar, a dying Eldar farseer being murdered by actual canon. in Deathguard

and they tried to go into their mind and try to find a future where this doesn't happen where the Death Guard were not chaos and they got sucked out and they got what they wanted but A little different. So this is, yeah.

It's like multiverse theory in this sense. So the Eldar got pulled into a different timeline where the Death Guard were technically loyal. Technically, yeah. Kind of neat. That's a neat concept. That's a good.

cool concept like that sure there is obviously a solid amount of work that really went into this and it's it's quite impressive i don't i don't love it i don't overly love it because when you're trying to change everything some things will falter a little bit um but it's also got a little bit of that uh obvious fan theory jank where like all right what the emperor did for angron was fucking dumb i'm gonna i'm gonna fix that we're gonna fix it yeah yeah or ooh what if sanguineous and courage were reversed, kind of like how they're this in the thing, or what if Magnus didn't get told to fuck off and ruin everything?

It's like, all right, all right, you know? Yeah, it's pretty good, pretty good. I mean, it sounds like an interesting concept, you know. I don't hate it. It's interesting. It's interesting to hear these fan theories, but, yeah, they do, it does seem like it kind of tends to fall into the, oh, GW wrote this stupid, let me fix it and write it

the way it should have been, the way, uh, A morally just emperor would have actually treated his sons and stuff. Yeah. You know, I always sometimes wonder if we should get more emperor-based content to maybe get some explanation on why he sucks. Yeah, yeah. But, no, we have not yet. Not yet, no.

No. So, I mean, it is a good concept to see how certain things go. But then Angron dies anyway. So like, shit, dude. Yeah, but at least he goes out. to blaze of glory. That's true. He doesn't have to live suffering

with the nails and everything. He gets to go out. Because if you're an Angron fan, that's probably how you want him to die in a blaze of glorious combat, fighting for his brothers, right? So, you know. And he fucking killed Perciarabo anyway.

He killed Purdy anyway. What are you going to do? Oh, God damn it. All right. All right. That's, that's it for us. there. Thank you everyone for watching. Sorry that I'm sick and sound nasally and DK is also a little under the weather as well. Shai tried to poison us but we

survived and next episode we'll probably have a bit more energy. Hopefully. Hopefully unless she tries to kill us again which you know you know best of luck try in the words of my great-grandfather who was stabbed to death by a mugger try me bitch. Thank you.