Adeptus Ridiculous - FABIUS BILE: GODS ARE FOR THE WEAK. I AM NOT WEAK. | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousFabius Bile, originally just Fabius and... also known as the Spider and the Primogenitor is a Chaos Space Marine. Prior to the defeat of the Horus Heresy, he was a Lieutenant-Commander and Chief Apothecary of the Emperor's Children. He is now an infamous mad scientist, specializing in genetic manipulation and the creation of Enhanced Warriors. Unlike most of the Emperor's Children, Bile does not follow Slaanesh, instead he devotes himself to science, and research into the creation of Space Marines.Support the show

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Starting point is 00:00:14 My name is D.K. Diamante's. His name is Bricky, and you know what we do. But before we do it, if you enjoyed today's episode and maybe you want to support the podcast, heading over to patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen. The $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in crispy digital HD format. The newest one is a DB Cooper poster as the host of Detective Ridiculous. I am not buys it all. Go buy it right now. Wonderful. Adeptus Ridiculous podcast, Patreon, almost ruin that. Patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. Bricky has things to say. I do. I actually have really cool announcements going on today. Ooh. We have some brand new merchandise. What? I know. I know. So it's April. You know, it's unfortunate. Today's April 1st when we're recording it, but because this episode will be on the third, we can't really make any good jokes. That's true. That's a tough one. Yeah, nothing on each other's stuff. But it's, you know, it's good in the spring. And so we have a bunch of new floral products. Whoa. But specifically, I wanted to say that Adeptus Ridiculous is 15% off for the next week because we have the
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Starting point is 00:03:14 It's like... I don't know. Okay. Maybe I'll actually message you and get you to actually get me some free swag. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I live offered it every time.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And he's like, he hates speaking with me so much. He would just rather spend his money than ask me for anything. That is ridiculous. And you know that. That is adeptist ridiculous and you know it. But I do hate speaking with you. That's fair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:37 I do absolutely despise everything that you stand for. That's why. Curiaf episodes are your favorite episodes and mine too. Well, Curiath episodes are my favorite just because it's a good time actually. They are our best episodes. Yeah, definitely. Now, all that being said, I wanted to experiment with a little bit of the new design and everything like that, which is very on brand because today's episode, it's all about
Starting point is 00:03:59 experimentation. Ooh, is this an ad mech episode, Bricky? No. What? No, it's actually, it's actually not. Nobody's going to get that. Okay, whatever, it's fine. I said an admec meme earlier viewers, and he's fine.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Don't worry about it. Anyway, I have a quote for you. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You don't. You know, it's April Fool's. It's not actually a quote. You're just going to be nice. And, you know, I should, bub-de-bo-d-bub.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Listen, you, you, I have a quote for you. It's the top quote for this character. It's a character episode. I'll give you that one. give you a little bit of him. Belisarius call. No. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I got a quote for you. It's a character episode. I don't think you're going to get it anyway, but we'll find out. Oh, great. Thanks. All right. All right. Let's try it.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Let's see. Also, I have a little bit of the con crud right now, so I'm sniffly and nasally. I apologize. All right. If a man dedicates his life to good deeds and the welfare of others, he will die unthanked and unremembered. If he exercises his genius, bringing misery and death to billions, his name will echo down through the millennia for a hundred lifetimes.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Infamy is always more preferable to... How do you pronounce... Ignominy? How the hell you pronounce that? How's it spelled? I-G-N-O-M-I-N-Y. Yeah, I would say ignominy, but I don't know what that means. Stop speaking.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Dictionary.com has me. D.K. Stop speaking. Dictionary.com. Ignaminy? Ignaminy. Ignaminy. What the hell?
Starting point is 00:05:55 Ignominy. What the hell? Whatever. Okay. Infamy is preferable to not being known. Hmm. I could see this being just some awful person in the Imperium, but I could also see it.
Starting point is 00:06:11 being someone from chaos. And immediately my mind went to oh shoot he wears like a flesh coat I don't remember I keep mixing his name up with Ferris Manus
Starting point is 00:06:26 it's um Oh shit I know his name What's his name? I can't remember his name but I know he does lots of weird experiments and he's always wearing a flesh coat but I can't remember his name
Starting point is 00:06:41 Um, do we, do we give it to him? What's his name? I can't remember his name. I think, I think we have to give it to him. He, he knows. He does know. I just don't remember what his name is. I know that I always mixed up his name with like Ferris Manus.
Starting point is 00:06:57 It's like, I, I genuinely cannot remember his name. But I, I know he does lots of crazy chaos experiments and he does lots of weird shit. And he wears a flesh coat and he's got like these like weird, uh, Like, doesn't he have, like, a lot of weird, like, green syringes that he does shit with and just, I can't remember his name. I'm sorry, shy, I have to give it to him. I have to give it to him. He got it. I have to do it.
Starting point is 00:07:24 I'm sorry. I have to be the nice one here. Thank you. You are referring to Fabulous Bile. Oh, Fabius Bile! Yes. Oh, thank you for saying his name. It was driving me crazy.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Fabius Bile himself, the, the Dr. Frankenstein. of the 41st millennium. No, you have, I have to, I have to give it to him, shy. I have to. He got it. Yes. He did get it. Basically, sure.
Starting point is 00:07:53 I'll take it. God, damn. Oh, man, I wish I could have remembered his name. Yeah, no, you know, God damn, I got it. I got to be honest. Yeah, you got it, Fabius Bile. Good old Bile man. Now, I wanted to actually do a nice little change of pace in the opening this episode.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I want to say some stuff for our viewers. You know, we're very much the foot in the door podcast, like very much, you know, surface-level stuff. Yeah. Just kind of get you to learn a little bit about them and not everything. If you are a viewer and you enjoy learning or want to learn more about Fabius Bile, then I would recommend reading the books either Folgram, which is his first appearance. And he is a pretty prominent point. but he also has a trilogy of books,
Starting point is 00:08:43 the Fabius Bile series. It goes, prima genitor, then clone lord, and then man flare. Apparently, it's like up there with the night lord's trilogy.
Starting point is 00:08:54 Apparently, it's really, really good. Oh, okay. And then Gene father, yes, just came out a few months ago.
Starting point is 00:09:03 That's him and Belisarius call pitted against each other. Oh, so this is a Belisarius call admec episode. You got the quote, write and you make you suffer
Starting point is 00:09:13 like this. This is the way. I'm sorry. This is this is my truth. And so it would appear. But yes. But yes, Fabius Biles. So I'll be honest, you know, as I just said, there are like five or more books that contain
Starting point is 00:09:28 Fabius Bile. He has an entire trilogy on himself. So this is going to be super surface level information here. I was going to say you, so you had a hell of a time researching this because I don't think there was enough time this month to read five books and compile all the information on him.
Starting point is 00:09:50 There are multiple prime marks with less lore than this guy. Wow. Yeah, no, I mean, I really like Fabius Bile, huh? I will start with my excuses because I have to, I have to prime people because he's a, he's a, yeah, a little bit. He's a loved character. He's a very beloved character. and after reading about him, I kind of get it.
Starting point is 00:10:13 He's a fascinating piece of shit. Oh, yeah. I love how in every picture of him I've seen, his flesh coat doesn't look that bad. It's just like, oh, hey, he's got a cool yellow coat. And it's like, oh, hey, there's the emperor's children, pardrons. And then you look closer and it's like, oh, hey, that's stitched together flesh. Yeah, that's such good, the flesh coat. Yeah, that's awful.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Fabius Bile, uh, apothecary, chief apothecary. of the emperor's children, also chaos lord, technically, also known as the clone lord, the primogenitor, manflayer, and the spider.
Starting point is 00:10:49 The spider. The spider is one of his more common nicknames, but he prefers the premagenitor. That and I'm sure other reasons. Oh, yeah. Anyway, so, do you remember
Starting point is 00:11:03 where the emperor's children hailed from? Actually, you know, this is really specific. I'm going to skip this. Point being, the Empress Children, obviously, pursuit of perfection, eventually going down the route of Slanesh, which was pretty obvious. Fulgroom, Primark, all that fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Third Legion, but most of them came from Terra in kind of the European side of the U.S. Of the U.S. I'm sorry. Oh, my God, Bricky. Of Earth. It's okay. Of Earth. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:11:35 I got you. Yeah, but, oh, God. But you still said it Yeah, I did I know what you meant But he's like I still said it though And this is gonna be on the internet And oh boy
Starting point is 00:11:47 So a lot of the Empress children Were hoity-toity nobles Shocking I know But like a lot of their Terran groups Way back when we're taken from That hoity-toity area In Europe
Starting point is 00:11:59 The areas of what Europe would be in Terra Now Bile Started off a little weird But like not too weird One of his things that he really liked to do was dress up mice. Like, dress them up in funny, elaborate garb and have them duel each other. But sometimes they would disobey his orders and then the mice would like kill each other. And that would make him really sad and angry.
Starting point is 00:12:31 What a weird kid. Yeah, he's just a little strange. Yeah. That is the childhood. I would expect of someone like Fabius Bile, just like this really weird, like, what the hell's wrong? Who hurt you when you were a kid? And he's like, well, I used to dress up mice and make them duel.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And then when they died, I got sad and angry. And it's like, oh, yeah, you're crazy. Yeah, he learned about flesh crafting a little bit from one of his family servants, because, you know, nobility and stuff. But his, yeah, his first few experiments were modifying mice to duel each other and fancy, fancy garb. And then they would kill each other and he'd be like, No, why?
Starting point is 00:13:08 No, why? Also, even if you're a noble, who teaches flesh crafting to a child? It's 41st, 41st, man. It's just true. Or I guess who even dabbles, too? Even if you're an aristocrat, it's like, oh, yes, I think I'm going to teach this child a noble art of flesh crafting? What?
Starting point is 00:13:26 That's never a good idea. Stop the hat. Okay, you know, okay, have you seen Twin Peaks? Uh, I, oh, which one is Twin Peaks? Laura Palmer Is that the one that starts off as like a murder mystery And then it just devolves into like a fever dream of chaos Yeah
Starting point is 00:13:47 I've seen like the first bunch of episodes of it I haven't watched the whole thing though Okay do you remember the the rich girl daughter Who just kind of is like a total bitch And just ruins things for the sake of ruining things Vaguely That's kind of the vibe I'm getting here It's like he learned flesh crafting
Starting point is 00:14:06 because I don't really have anything else to do, so let's make mice kill each other, or not kill each other, let's make them duel. Sure. You're a little bored when you have everything. That's true. That's why you often see, like, a billionaire children end up doing, like, horrific crimes.
Starting point is 00:14:28 It's like, you had everything. What are you doing? And it's like, well, I was bored. Nothing else gave me any pleasure in life because I could literally have anything I wanted. Yeah, you struggle for nothing, so anyway, eventually, as he went through, you know, indictment into the, into the Legion, or inductment into the Third Legion, there was something that ravaged the Legion known as the Blight. Now, I think we talked about this in the Folgram episode. Basically, a huge amount of that really early gene scene was sabotaged, and it made it so that a lot of the Emperor's children suffered these horrible, like, tumors in their gene scene.
Starting point is 00:15:06 which would be cancerous and then kill them. Yuck. That's a bad thing. It's very bad. It's very, very bad. And so this blight really ravaged the numbers of the emperor's children, brought them pretty down low for a while. And it's partially kind of one of the things that set them on the course of their pursuit of perfection. Because getting rid of the blight and like carving out all of the infected Marines.
Starting point is 00:15:33 A lot of the infected Marines with the blight were just kind of like outwerexed. right executed because they were, you know, not perfect and sick and blighted. Fabius was kind of going this whole thing of like, okay, dedicating his life to figure out a way to stop the blight. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a, that's a pretty ironic gene failing. That's, for the guys that want to be ultra-perfect. It's like, oh, hey, by the way, your gene malfunction is.
Starting point is 00:16:06 cancerous tumor. And it's like, oh, I mean, that's not great for anybody, but for the group that specifically wants to be perfect, it's like, yikes. It's, it probably is part of the reason why it had them down that direction. But it was, yeah, it was doubly bad because this is before they found Fulgrim. So there was no replenishment of the, of the, of the gene stock. Um, so Bile actually, uh, dedicated his life to fixing this blight and worked just tirelessly to find a cure for it, but eventually found out, well, he was able to find a way
Starting point is 00:16:42 to test for it and find out if people have it or not. And by finding a way out to do that, they were then able to call the Legion of the infected individuals. Oh, it wasn't until Bile himself found out that he actually also had the blight. Uh-oh. Bum-bump-bah. But he, he was he, he was His work at trying to get rid of it was so important. He did what pro athletes do and borrow the piss from other individuals to show it to be healthy. Did he really? Was he just like, uh, I'll just borrow this clean sample. And look, everyone, not infected.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Don't have the blight. Hooray. No, like literally, he took healthy samples from dead comrades and stuff and used it to show that he didn't have the blight. Because to him, he needed to survive to find a cure for and to continue his work. His work is too important to die. Do you think that the emperor's children would have seen it that way? If he was like, let's say this is just bizarre a world.
Starting point is 00:17:50 And he's like, I'm going to be honest and I'm going to tell the chapter that I am indeed blighted. Do you think they would have just like called him and killed him? Or do you think they too would have been like, well, he's the only one that's making any progress with this. We got to keep him alive. We have to. Otherwise, bleh. So interestingly, I think for the most part, the answer would be no.
Starting point is 00:18:13 They would get rid of him anyway. But eventually, right, they find Fulgroom, and then they can start making Gene Steed from Fulgrim. So in reality, he's basically the only blighted person, like left. Right, because all the other ones have been culled and killed by because he can test for it. So he's lit, yeah, right, he would be literally the only one left, wouldn't he? And so eventually, like, you know, we're going to skip past a good portion of the emperor's children lore right here. But, you know, Sleeneh demon possesses Fulgrim. They eventually exercised the demon from Fulgrim after the drop site massacre.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Mm-hmm. And at this point, Fabius estimated he had only about a year left of life. But he at this point actually told Fulgrim after they removed the demon from him like, hey dude like I science is not working to get rid of this stuff you know it might be time for like some of the arcane crap but like I got this problem with me and like am I am I not worthy to still survive
Starting point is 00:19:18 like have I not helped make everyone achieve true perfection am I not still totally worthy to be kept alive even with my affliction from all I have done I mean that's fair but it is also chaos full groom So, I mean, surely he must be like, oh, yeah, well, you know what? It kind of sucks that you didn't tell anyone, but I mean, you are pretty important and you've made, I don't know. So, I mean, Fulgram was cool with it. Kept him up, kept him alive, let him keep doing his stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:54 And this is the thing about Fabius that I find just really, really funny and it's a great bit of lore. So this took some time afterwards figuring out how to do it properly, lots of engineering and stuff. But Fabius is a lot like Trazen. Oh. Fabius is like constantly has around a year to live or something. But he became a master flesh crafter and a specifically a master cloner. So he kept cloning versions of himself with near. copies of his mind, brain, and memories.
Starting point is 00:20:33 So every time he would die or succumb, he would just transfer into a completely new body and be another Fabius. Oh, wow. Really? So he is the flesh version of Trazen. Because he's got an endless supply of clones that he just neurotrient.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And each of these clones are all blighted. So each one is just like, oh yeah, this is another blighted clone. You've got one year free pass. he basically can't cure his blight so he just keeps on making copies of himself because despite all it's actually a little bizarre I feel like he should be able to like
Starting point is 00:21:08 have figured out how to do it but you can't remove the gene seed and like put a new one in it's just not feasible apparently like how even the emperor couldn't take the nails out of Angron's brain right this is one of those scenarios so he just has a ton
Starting point is 00:21:25 of various Fabius clones so every time he dies either to blight or death. Anything. He just goes, so does he have a warehouse where they just get made on mass? Or does he just like wait until the last week before he dies and he makes one?
Starting point is 00:21:40 Like how, like is there a factory that just presses him out or? Sir, sir, he is a scientist. He does not have a warehouse. He has a laboratory. Oh, so sorry. Does he have a laboratory that just presses him out? Yes. Well, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Like, if you, you know, you see. see a clip of like an evil scientist walking down a hallway. There's a whole bunch of giant container tubes full of things. That's, that is Fabius Bile in a nutshell, honestly. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, also, I meant to ask this when it was like, oh, yes, he's the master of clones.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Is he the one that cloned Horace at some point or something? I didn't think you were going to say Horace. But yes, he was. He's the one that made pseudohoris. and then Abadon came and was like, this is bullshit and killed it. That is exactly what happened. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Yeah. Very good. So, you know, after, you know, Folgram came back and they were doing all this stuff, a lot of this is during the Folgram book, I do believe, where slowly and slowly Fabia started to get a little bit more, you know, wacky. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Well, yeah, because that's the thing with cloning, right, is like each clone isn't, well, is each clone perfect? No, it's not so much about the clones. It's a lot more about the experiments he was conducting. Okay. It started to be like, hey, let's, you know, do some experiments to learn more about the Marines that we capture and our own Marines and the civilians and the civilians. And let's just keep on doing experiments. Woo!
Starting point is 00:23:24 Yeah, because usually in like sci-fi, they'll be like, oh, yeah, every clone is going to get worse and worse because you're making a copy of a copy of a copy and it's going to be less and less perfect, less and less like the original, and all these problems are going to arise. And I was wondering if maybe he had some sort of like a clone degradation. You know, if there is one, it might be in, it might be in like a book. I'm not sure myself because I haven't read the trilogy, but, I mean, I'm not quite sure there. but yes, as Scy says, he is indeed an emperor's children Marine.
Starting point is 00:23:58 So his chase for perfection is constant. He was the one who helped create the lovely process of making noise marines after the Maraviglia concert. Oh, boy. What a fun time. He specifically, was it Idleon? Shy, which one was the guy whose vocal cords he tore out and replaced it with like, A sonic screen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And it had his like jaw distend like the size of a snake. I mean, that noise would probably love that though. Like, I mean, I'm sure he didn't love the procedure. But the aftermath, he was probably like, I'm a rock star. I don't remember. It may have been Idleon. I don't remember. Because Idleon is this like, Uber douchebag of the emperor's children.
Starting point is 00:24:51 But he died with his head getting cut. off and Folgram reattached it to his body and revived him from death. Did I say Folgram? I meant Fabius. Sorry. Fabius did that,
Starting point is 00:25:03 not Folgram. Okay. Every time you say Idleon, that's like another name for summons in Final Fantasy games and I'm just like, Idalon's, huh? They're using summons.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Bahamut. It's the war frame for me. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. It was planes of idalon. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:25:23 That's right Shiver runs down my spine Think of Plains of Idleon Why Bricky? Why would you bring that up? Right, so Idleon I don't remember if he was the first Noise Marine or not, but yeah
Starting point is 00:25:39 Fulgram got pissed at him and then cut Idleon's head off And then his severed head was then Passed over the Victory wine of the Third Legion mixing Its blood with the alcohol And then Faber was like, hey, how neat.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Can I like bring him back to life? That'd be kind of cool. And then Wolfram's like, sure, dude, why not? But now he's like a horrible, he's not himself. He's like a zombie now. Yeah, I vaguely remember, I remember that picture specifically because that is a wild one. I know we've talked about him in passing before, but yikes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:18 So zombie marine. Yeah. And so, you know, Fabio, with all of his element and serving the Third Legion, his stuff just got a bit more debased, a bit more, some more debauchery more and more, which obviously goes along with the whole vibe
Starting point is 00:26:35 of the Emperor's children, slowly entering the grasp of Slanesh. Right. Okay. So Fulgroom was like, hey, make me a clone of Ferris Manus so I can try to convince him that the heresies Heresy is a good thing because I killed him on his von five.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Right. There was a small part of me that was kind of hoping you were going to be like, hey, make me a clone of Ferris Manus because I want to cut his head off again. Because I just found it so funny the first time. Yeah, it was just so much fun the first time. And now that I'm fully chaos, I just, I want to do it again endlessly or something. It's like, wow, that would be a chaos thing to do, right? So he did it. And Fulgroom tried to convince Ferris Manus and Ferris Manus into.
Starting point is 00:27:22 typical Ferris Manist fashion was like, eat shit loser. I was going to say, there's no way Ferris Man is ever going to be like, why surely, you're right, chaos. Yum, yum, yum, yum. The man is as thickheaded is dorn. And so every single time,
Starting point is 00:27:39 Fulgram would cut his head off again. And then I'd be like, next. He would kill him. I'm just going to assume it's the head. Okay, cool. And then he would do like, another one. And this happened like,
Starting point is 00:27:52 multiple times of like, here's the new Ferris, here's a new Ferris, here's the new Ferris, and it never worked. I wonder what he did it, never worked. And that made Fulgram very angry. So half of Fabius Biles' laboratory is clones of himself. The other half is Ferris Manus clones.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Well, they were. They were. They were. Right. I'm sure he's given up by now. So during the heresy itself, like during the siege of Terra, do you remember what the Emperor's children did when everyone, when Perchero and crew were attacking the walls and everything.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Do you know what the Emperor's Children chose to do? Weren't they off just like killing civilians and shit? Yeah, you remembered. Yeah, look at me learning. Yeah, yeah. They were just like, hey, cool, a complete massive population of just anybody. I'm going to just kill them all. We're just going to go on a massacre.
Starting point is 00:28:44 And it's even crazier because this is also, yeah, oh yeah, shy, maybe to the punch, yeah. Oh, well, yeah, they're chaos, so they're probably not just killing them. I mean, eventually those people probably died, but... Do you remember what the Emperor's children would do with prisoners? No, but I can't imagine it was anything nice. So Bile, in his infinite wisdom, was like, man, what if we just, like, made drugs out of people? Oh, no. What's that salmon that?
Starting point is 00:29:21 clip where it's like it's cool and what if we try it on people oh no oh no he made Soylent greens is people He rendered them into a base narcotic form
Starting point is 00:29:37 and had all the emperor's children take it as like a psychedelic drug As like an enhancing drug He turned them into God knows what it was LSD cocaine heroin who fucking cares He could turn them into He turned them into Emperor's children steroids?
Starting point is 00:29:56 Yeah, and LSD and all the other things that would feel, you know, fun. Oh, boy. That's, that sucks. That's not great. That's, okay. All right. One of the more interesting parts of the, of the Emperor's children in general is that a lot of their bodies have been adjusted so that pain does create pleasure.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Like, if you could, like, you if you get a hurts, it feels good. Yeah. As, as worshippers of Slanesh, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, that's like how the butcher's nails would turn all emotions in anger and non-anger, major angry. This is just like, hey, Emperor's children, here are, you know, I'm going to, if you hurt yourself, it's going to feel great.
Starting point is 00:30:42 And so, also, here's a vial of people snort that shit. And they are more than happy to do it. But that makes them a horrible fighting, well, not horrible, but like a really good fighting force. Because, like, it's like you hit him in the face with a flail and they're just like orgasming. And it's like, what the fuck, dude? Like, what are you? What is going on here? Like, it's hard to stop a group like that.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Do you remember the emperors, the Slanesh? The Slenesh, what's the four of it? Coded? Not coded. The Slenish guy from Lion's son of the, forest who took their helmet off and their eyes were like enormous and their mouth was like triple the size it should be so they can so they could see and taste more of the world oh yeah it's it's things like there's there's a story i forget what the name of it was but it was it's
Starting point is 00:31:38 it's an emperor's children marim and he specifically like gouged and mutilated a twin brother and sister and then impaled them alive to both of his pauljury and he was it's a little bit so they could always be right next to each other but never feel each other's like grasp ever again. Whoa. And just to like make them suffer. And but particularly he like elongated his tongue really long and then impaled it to a spike on his chest
Starting point is 00:32:07 so that whenever he would throw his head back in laughter, he would stretch the skin and it would make him feel good. Why does that sound familiar? Because it's just because it's emperor's children shenanigans. That's true. It's like, oh yeah, that's totally something. something an Empress children would do. Surely I've heard of it before, because wow.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Holy hell, man. And I'm assuming he's quite the laffer. Oh, yeah, he's got a sense of humor. He's a bit of a chuckle fuck, as they say. As they say. Yeah, it's quite something. So, anywho, these are the things that the Emperor's children were doing and Bile was doing. You know his skin coat?
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yeah. So often he would make the skin coat, and then he would have the still skinless victim, and he would force him the skinless victim to carry the back of his coat like a bridal gown. Oh, lovely. Wow, what a great guy. It's just, what a cool dude, you know? Yeah, what a nice thing to do. It's like, oh, hey, here's your skin.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Here it is. Hey, look, it's back on you. Hooray. Jesus. All right. I mean, hey, it's, is it as, bad as impaling twin children on your pardons that are still alive? I mean, you answer me on that one.
Starting point is 00:33:30 It's a side grade anyway. It's definitely in the realm of, wow, the emperor's children are a little a little kooky. Yeah, they're a little not right in the head. Okay, now I'm going to turn this episode into on its head, though, for a second. Did you know that Fabius Bile doesn't believe in the chaos gods? What? I know, right?
Starting point is 00:33:55 How does Fabius Bile, after doing all this stuff and being an emperor's children, worshippers, how does he not believe in the chaos gods? So Fabius Bile takes a, it's a little bit like how we talked about the Nightlord books. It's less so that he thinks like, okay, the gods are cringe and all that kind of stuff. stuff. He just kind of doesn't believe they exist. He thinks they're just stellar, this and that and phenomena. So it gets interesting because Fabius, despite all of his shit, despite all of his craziness, does not believe in the emperor's children's like chaos pursuit. He is, he is an imperial truth believer. Mankind.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Mankind is the ultimate destined goal of the entire galaxy, and his goal is to create the perfect human. I mean, that does fall in line with, like, what we've been saying about what the end goal for the Empress Children is in seeking perfection, right? That falls in line with the Emperor's Children's end goal, so that makes sense. a part of me is just like, okay, look, I get all that, but how are you going to deny the chaos gods? Like, I could see it if he was like, you know, I just think chaos is cringe. Like, I acknowledge that they exist, but I'm not going to pray to them.
Starting point is 00:35:30 I'm not going to worship them because, oh, man, that's, look at what they're doing to these people. These aren't perfect humans anymore. They're abominations. I could see that, but just straight up not believing in him is kind of crazy. So he's like the ultimate atheist in a way. You know, you know, he, like, yeah, he, he just thinks everything can be rationalized by science in a way or another. Yeah, but the chaos gods have, like, shown themselves to, to exist, right? It's not like now where it's like they're very, you know, like, they show themselves and they do stuff, don't they?
Starting point is 00:36:09 So, okay, so. Like, on earth, I can see how you would be skeptical, but in 40K, it's, It's like, well... So it becomes a bit more of an interesting concept as we go on through it. But do you want to read Shai's thing? It's kind of funny. Oh, yeah, yeah. You ever read Feet of Clay by Terry Pratchett.
Starting point is 00:36:30 It has Golem atheist in fantasy world that has gods. In one scene, he says, the gods don't exist. One of the gods immediately throws a lightning bolt at him from the sky. Golem says, that's not a good argument. So... Okay, so it's interesting. because to get back to the concept of Fabius, Fabius has made a clone of basically every single Prime Arc. He went to Ball and stole the blood of Sanguinius, which the, the blood angels were
Starting point is 00:37:00 not stoked about. Oh, yeah, I am sure the blood angels were pissed. They were very angry. Yeah. But all things considered with all of that, the whole stick that he's trying to get into is that he wants to recreate the Primark Project that the Emperor did, or maybe even recreate something like the Emperor himself, because he wants to create the perfect humans, the perfect bits of humanity.
Starting point is 00:37:28 For a long time, his creations in the Emperor's children and otherwise are surgically enhanced Marines. I think he calls him like the Teteras or Tetras or something. But they're basically just Marines that are the yin to the yang
Starting point is 00:37:44 of the primarist Marines of the loyalists. I was about to say, when these things got made, did the Warhammer community kind of be like, oh, I don't like that in kind of the same way. Because I remember there was some kickback against the Primaris Marines, right?
Starting point is 00:38:03 Because it's like, oh, that's not a space marine, right? So the kickback against the Primaris Marines were not so much that that's not a space marine. I think it was more that it appeared that GW. was phasing out the old models by replacing them with new models. And the new models don't really have that, they're a bit more sci-fi than like fantasy night looking. And so people were like,
Starting point is 00:38:29 didn't want the new style kind of thing. I don't much mind, I don't mind Primaris, but Fabius Bile making new Marines with his wicked experiments is totally on brand. It is. And like you said, as soon as you said it,
Starting point is 00:38:42 I was like, man, that sounds a lot like a primaris situation. Like as soon as you were talking, I was like, is that like chaos primaris Marines? Yeah, like the Gene Father book really dives into this with Bellisarius Call. Do you remember in the great workbook there's Alpha Primaris or what's his name? Was it Alpha Primaris? Yeah, I think it was Alpha Primaris. And he was in a constant state of pain and because he had like too much power or something. Yeah, like Bile, his, I think the goal of that book is to get him, get him and like use him to
Starting point is 00:39:15 to screw around with stuff. And there's a conversation between him and call where he's like, call, you call me a madman, you experiment on this kid for like 10,000 years. What are you talking about? Yeah, call calling Bile horrific and whatever is a little pot kettle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:35 But Call was also like, Bile, bro, you're wearing a skin suit. Cush. There's a good back and forth. There's a good back and forth about it. It's fun. but any who. Interesting argument.
Starting point is 00:39:49 However, you're wearing a skin suit. It's a good interaction between the two of them. But for the most part, yeah, Bial is like, your primarist Marines are crap. You know, I could have done way better with them. And he does, and he does, doesn't he? His guys are better? Well, his guys are better. But his guys have problems as well, as all of his clones have issues.
Starting point is 00:40:14 because, you know, he cloned Horace and the Abidon just killed him immediately. But then there's also, you know, he's got lots of various clones, but he's trying to like clone Fulgrim and he did it a bunch of times. And then every time he was like, Fulgram is probably going to go down
Starting point is 00:40:30 the same path as before. This is not a good enough clone. Then he kind of chucks the Chucks the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. Oh, yeah. All right. Gotcha. Yep. But at the same time,
Starting point is 00:40:44 That's such a fucked up phrase. I know, right? It's so messed up. But at the same time, like, like, Bile, despite all of his stuff, uh, is very much a clean,
Starting point is 00:40:57 set forth, like, imperial truth believer. Mankind is destined to rule the entire stars. Oh, yeah, I was actually about to bring that quote up. Shai, you,
Starting point is 00:41:08 uh, D.K., you want to read that? Bile talking about the emperor. Unlike you, You, whelp, I once walked the same ground as your idol. I breathe the same air as him. And I tell you this, without lie or artifice, he never wanted to become what you have made him.
Starting point is 00:41:26 He did not wish to be your God thing. He abhorred such ideals. The slavery of your crippled blind Imperium would sicken him if he had eyes to see it. I mean, he's right. He's absolutely right. He is a million percent right. That's true. So with his goal being like this, he tends to not get along with chaos space marines either.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Now, you run Fabius Bile in a chaos space marine army. He is part of the Emperor's Children, which are a traitor, legion. But you could almost argue he's a bit more of like a renegade Marine. He's kind of his own. Yeah, with like the way he talks, I kind of get it now as to why he wouldn't. believe in like chaos gods and and why he seems more, less like a chaos marine and more just like, like you said, a renegade space marine that is just still like, oh yeah, the emperor was great and humanity is so stupid for doing what they do and, and I want to restore humanity and
Starting point is 00:42:34 essentially the old imperium. Like if the old imperium rose up and got rid of this like God-worshipping emperor thing, he, I feel like he might actually just, like, straight up betray the emperor's children and just go back to the emperor. I mean, he's betrayed the emperor's children many a times already. He's experimental on them. Well, I figured that was just a chaos thing. I figured it was just like, oh, yeah, I'm Fabius Bile. I do what I want.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I'll experiment on anyone that I want. And it's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm chaos. I'm Empress children. Pain is pleasure for me. So stitch away, Doc. You know? A little bit. A little bit.
Starting point is 00:43:15 It's let him down some pretty kooky pathways. A lot of this again are in the various books, but he has one where he was being hounded by a bunch of harlequins and eventually came into contact with Trayson himself. And Trason was like, bro, big fan of your work. I'm going to put you in my gallery now. And Biles like, whoa now. Hold up.
Starting point is 00:43:39 what about I give you all of these harlequins chasing me and Tracent's like all right bet and then you gotta catch them well and then as the
Starting point is 00:43:50 harlequins were hounding and screwing with his ship his clone of fulgroom broke free and started using his like you know other experiments to fight off
Starting point is 00:44:01 the harlequins and eventually Faye was like god damn it the fulgram again I thought this was the perfect one but it's clearly not
Starting point is 00:44:08 He's going to go down the same path before. Trazan, my bro, my boy. What if I gave you a perfect copy of Fulgrim and all of that for all of the Emperor's Children Gene Seed you stole? Oh, I didn't realize Trazen had Emperor's Children's Gene Seed. Okay. I think it's either alluded to or said outright
Starting point is 00:44:35 that Trazen stole the original gene. seed way back when. Okay, okay. And that's quite the prize for Fabius then. And he accepted it. So Trazen has a perfect clone Folgram copy in his vault and he was given enough gene seed to make 18,000 space marines. Oh, wow. That is a lot of seed.
Starting point is 00:45:00 I almost said that's a lot of semen for some reason because seed, but anyway, that's a lot of gene seed. Holy jumping. It is the seed. Yeah, I mean, I guess essentially it kind of sort of is the same thing, but like, I don't know. It doesn't sound right when you say, oh, yes, this is my gene semen. Like, that's not. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:45:21 So, I mean, yeah, but like, well, I guess it is different. One of them is like a glands versus just seam. It's fine, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Let's not go down this road. Let's just go right back to Fabius Bile. He has a lot of gene seedness. enough to make 18,000 space marines and
Starting point is 00:45:39 wow, that is, that is quite the load. I didn't, I don't know why. God, that was good. I don't know why I said it like that. That was good, A plus. I did not mean to say it like that, but let's, let's, yes. The Fabius Bussy. And it's full of gene seed.
Starting point is 00:45:57 And it's fabulous. It is a, oh my God. We, oh boy, get us back on track, buddy. You can do it. Dean came and us back onto the tracks. We never went off the rails. We're still on topic. It's just a bit of a bumpy area. This is a very Emperor's Children coded episode, as it should be. As it should. Yes. So if you think about it, all right. So Bile is clearly quite the madman. Who do you think would also be a lot like Bile? What alien race do you think would be like?
Starting point is 00:46:32 Nice work, dude. Um, I, I don't, oh, come on, man. Cloners? I mean, maybe the,
Starting point is 00:46:45 um, the, why am I drawing a blank on the dwarf's names? Okay, it's, it's not the Voton. Oh, the Votan. Right, right, right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:46:54 No, the Dukari. Oh, yeah, the Dukari would, yeah, that, I don't know why the Dukari did not pop into my mind at all. It's okay. It's the obvious choice. The cloning part, I do understand what you're getting at with that one, but we forgot the pain and the torture part.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah, yeah. It, yeah. Listen, shy. You gotta give him some to keep the hope up, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did they say? The worst thing that came out of Pandora's box was hope. Is that? Is that what they say? Something like that. It's like all of the awful stuff comes out of Pandora's
Starting point is 00:47:30 box and the worst thing that's left behind in the box is hope because hope can often lead you to the greatest despair. Well, anyway. Anyway, yeah, whatever. So, Dracari, vows way into the Dracari Kamarang and all stuff. There's a place called the Coven of the 13 Scars.
Starting point is 00:47:47 And Bial very much impressed them with his improvisational tortures that the Dracari Coven was like, you know what, man? All right, come check us out. Come check us out. Let's work together. So with the
Starting point is 00:48:02 of the coven, Bile chilled in Kamarov for a bit, and he created something called the Tower of Flesh. Oh my God. It is a living breathing fortress made of the remains of those who had wronged the Coven in their prior lives
Starting point is 00:48:18 and it hangs from the bottom of Kamarog, like a fleshy stalactite. Holy shit. It is a sentient tower of flesh just dangling there with blood dripping walls. Wow. Like up until this episode, I had thought I had heard like just the craziest stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:40 And now it's just like people, drugs and flesh towers. Let's go. Oh. This has been a wild ride so far. But tell me more about the flesh tower. Telling you more about the flesh tower. Well, I mean, there's not much else besides the flesh tower. I've told you the flesh tower.
Starting point is 00:48:57 And it's just constantly dripping blood, you said? The insides are always dripping blood because it's made of human. But for this, the Drukari was like, all right, you know what? We will bestow upon you the knowledge of our flesh crafting as a reward for what you've done. Wow. I mean, that's quite the prize for old Fabius then, because that is, they craft a little bit of flesh over there on Kamara. Well, unfortunately, it didn't last long. Bile taught that same stuff that the Dukari taught.
Starting point is 00:49:32 him to his fellow emperor's children tutors and then like students and then the 13 Scars Coven was pretty pissed off about that because you don't want to bring that knowledge to even more lesser people so they murdered all of his students and then altered Fabius's
Starting point is 00:49:48 brain so he could never speak of what he had learned. Oh wow that's actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I think there was still some kind of mutual respect so they were like all right you can never talk about what we taught you ever, but we're not going to, like, turn you into a coat.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Yeah, I mean, because it's the Dracari. It's like, oh, yeah, you slighted us and you told our secrets. We're going to make you into a chandelier that we're going to constantly poke and prod at and you're going to suffer for all of eternity. The fact that they just hit him with, like, essentially the MIB flash stick that made him forget, not the worst thing that could happen. I don't know if they actually made him forget. I think they just may so he can't speak of it.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Oh, so he still knows it. Oh. I think that this is a probably in the book, not 100% on that one. Okay. So he can never teach anyone about it again, but he can still do it himself. Specifically states that to ensure that Fabius himself could never speak of what he had learned. So I'm going to assume that's the case. That does sound like, yeah, he can still do it, but he just, he can never talk about it.
Starting point is 00:50:58 He can never teach anyone or anything like that. yeah. So, you know, Fabius has gotten into some pretty, pretty fun antics in times. I don't know if fun is the right word. It's fun for him. Interesting. Oh, yeah, fun for him for sure. Yeah. He's still off and about trying to make all of the best primarks out there. He's trying to, you know, he's trying to get that whole crafting going. But the most important and interesting, that may not the most important, but an interesting part of Fabius and the thing to leave us off on is really his relationship. relationship with Slanesh. So clearly... I imagine that's a little shaky.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Clearly what he's done, Slanesh is huge fan. Yeah, definitely. Loves this stuff. Fabius is like turbo atheist. God can come down to him and speak to him in his face and he'd be like, I must be hallucinating.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah, it must be a hologram or something. This is fake. This is fraudulent. And that's basically what happens. So so slanesh literally comes and talks to him and he's just like no this is bullshit so Fabius is clearly slanesh corrupted it is it is not it is not something that like he would ever say but it is very obvious that his enjoyment for all this stuff his pursuit of perfection uh i do have the full tech shy um all that kind of stuff he is is very much a corrupted by
Starting point is 00:52:30 but tries to stay otherwise. And I think that's kind of of the slight tragedy of his character is that despite the fact that he doesn't even believe in Slanesh, he is clearly under her influence at least a little bit. Yeah, with all the experiments and the enjoyment he takes from it. And yeah. So there is a part where he is basically judged by Slanesh. And there's like a pale gaze just kind of staring at him. And the full text here I have is Fabius felt a flicker of unease
Starting point is 00:53:05 As the pale gaze pierced through him His churgeon twitched as if it shared his uncertainty The quest door's smile was like a scalpel grating on bone And he clapped again The world seemed to shake One by one the sensor feeds in Fabius Biles armor Went dark and his confines became stifling The air felt still and heavy
Starting point is 00:53:27 And just like everything just got really, really overtaxed. And so this was when Sleesh or, you know, a demon of Sleish was speaking to him. And they literally said, Fabius says, who are you then? Name yourself. I am the wet stone of desire. I am the asker of questions. I am the questor.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And Fabius responds with, I've never heard of you. Sure, buddy. Sure. Okay. Okay. Also, I love the wet stone of desire. That's quite the name, actually, for Slanesh. So it was a, kind of like a moment of testing, so to speak. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:54:11 And of course, Fabius is the way he is. Like, I know my worth. I know my crimes. This court holds no jurisdiction over me. But all during this time, he's still kind of, like, panicking a little bit. His heart rate is going really, really fast. His muscles are straining. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:54:28 And so he looked. up and it said something looked down. It was not a face, for a face was a thing of limits and angles and what he saw had neither. It stretched as far as his eyes could see as if it were one with the whole of the sky and the permanent above. Things that might have been eyes or distant moons or vast constellations of stars looked down at him and a gash in the atmosphere twisted like a lover's smile. It studied him from an impossible distance, and he felt the sharp edge of its gaze
Starting point is 00:55:02 cut through him layer by layer. There was pain in that gaze and pleasure as well. Agony and ecstasy, inextricable and inseparable. And at this point, he basically just like panics. Oh, sure. Who wouldn't?
Starting point is 00:55:20 Yeah, he tears his face away. He starts pounding a bunch of tranquilizers into his body. And he literally, he literally just like wishes it away in his head. He's like, there's nothing there. There's nothing there at all. There are no gods. Only stars in the void. No gods. No gods. No gods. No gods. They do not. So they are not. The gods are for the weak and I am not weak. He keeps saying as he as he pumps himself full of tranquilizers. So he's having a chaos panic attack and he is just like drugging himself
Starting point is 00:55:52 out of it. Pretty much. Wow. He was that he was, he was, That is such a descriptive scene of like what it's like to have Slanesh judging you too. Like that's such a dope way to put it. Like that was so sick. The face of God was staring at him and he was pumping himself full of Xanax being like, must have been the wind. Yeah, that wasn't how la la la la. I didn't see anything. God doesn't exist.
Starting point is 00:56:21 It was just the moon. Please go away. Please go away. I mean, yeah, he basically plugged his ears and was like, la, la, la, la, I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Don't see you. My eyes are close. Can't see you. You don't exist. Yeah, that's, that's crazy. But the actual fact that Slanesh themselves has taken notice of him clearly shows that, you know, there's a whole time he's like, yeah, I've done all these horrible torture things in the pursuit of perfection and excess. And I love pain and pleasure. But I'm not Slanesh corrupt. No, surely not.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Also, it speaks volumes to how crazy, like, his experiments are that Slanesh would even take the time to do that. Like, that is a chaos god that is taking the time to specifically, like, look at you and judge you because of everything Slaneshi that you have done. Like, that's not a small thing. Like, chaos gods don't just show themselves to everybody. They don't just do that, right? No, I mean, you think a bit like, sometimes they do. For example, Karn, there's the statement that right next to Korn's throne, there's a pile of skulls specifically from Karn. Karn, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:46 And so, you know, you have to do a lot to get them to notice you, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, Aramun for Zin. Like you do, you know, Typhus. Typhus sold out the death guard and he was handsomely rewarded. Yes, he was. Boy, did he get a transformation?
Starting point is 00:58:03 Much like Aramon, I think. Fabius is trying his best to just believe that he will absolutely not, you know, go down this path. But he is, he is so damned. Slanesh has taken notice of him specifically for his actions. And like, he, he, is damned. Shai says Slanesh literally tells him in that scene, you have committed
Starting point is 00:58:27 crimes of such monstrous elegance that even the gods themselves grow uneasy. That's a lot. That's a bigan. For Slanesh to say that is like bro. Yeah, I mean, you gave
Starting point is 00:58:47 Dr. Frankenstein 10,000 years and a, what's the word, a court with the Jukari, you know, he's, he's gonna, he's gonna do some wacky stuff. Yeah, oh man. Sheesh. At the, it's, it's rather, like, fascinating.
Starting point is 00:59:08 That with, like, he's such, he's such a contradiction. He's such a hard believer in the imperial truth. Despite what he's doing. Right, but then he has a panic attack when the god he doesn't believe looks at him. Shows up, yeah. And then he plugs his ears and says, La, la, la, I can't hear you.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Mm-hmm. It's a, he's a wild character. He's really fascinating. I was going to say, just from this little sort of foot in the door introduction to Fabius Bile, I kind of, I kind of love him.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Like, it's just, he's just this fascinating conundrum of pseudo-hypocrisy that just is really interesting to hear about and all of his crazy experiments and his crazy thought process. It's just, he's so odd and unsettling. That's what I think is why he's such an interesting character is because he's clearly damned.
Starting point is 01:00:05 He's clearly, he's not possessed maybe, but he's absolutely damned. But in a weird way, the gods that he doesn't believe in probably have his back. Yeah, probably. Like being a demon prince, for example, being elevated to the rank of demon prince is not really the worst fate you could ever have. You become, you know, you serve your your God forever and for all eternity, which might not be the most fun thing. But you basically become immortal. You become an immortal demon with domain over your subjects and stuff like that under the God. you know, you get promoted from
Starting point is 01:00:47 layman to manager, basically, and you get to live forever. I'm positive, Bile will become, like, if he just asked, oh, if he just asked, so then I should be like, fuck yeah, dude.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Hell yeah, hell yeah, I'll get the suit ready. Yeah, I'll give you super. Which one do you want? Do you want suit A or suit B? Yeah, and you know what? You design the suit.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Go at it. Like, yeah. You've been designing suits for, you're the men's warehouse of, Slanesh with the suits you've been making He totally is
Starting point is 01:01:20 He's the Neiman Marcus of Sleneh It's not men's warehouse It's man warehouse Because he's
Starting point is 01:01:27 selling the skin of men Yeah Do you Like if Fabius Bia was ever in mortal danger
Starting point is 01:01:34 Even though he doesn't Believe in Do you think Sleneh would save him Because it's Like
Starting point is 01:01:39 Nope Can't lose You Uh Because you You do some fun Work
Starting point is 01:01:44 You may not believe Because it's kind of like the devil, right? It's like, oh, I don't believe in the devil. And it's like, well, you should because he believes in you. Is it kind of like that where, like, Slanesh would probably be like, nope, not going to let you die. I'm going to shuffle into the mortal coil and save you. Well, first things first, he would probably just go to one of his clones.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Oh, that's true. She would never need, or they would never need to save him because he's got clone on clone on clone. Like, yeah, that's true. And even if they offered it, he would probably just outright say no. In fact, he wouldn't even have to say no. He'd probably just say like, oh, huh, weird. A weird psychic phenomenon is reaching its hand out to my mind. I must be taking too many drugs and then just die.
Starting point is 01:02:30 True. Well, would Slenish just save him regardless? Because, like, Slanesh wouldn't want him to die, right? So it's like, oh, I'm not even going to ask. I'm just going to swoop in, kill whatever's trying to kill him, and then get out? I think the gods don't have domain over real space. You have to let them in somehow. Yeah, there needs to be like a warp storm or like a warp portal or a warp area.
Starting point is 01:02:54 That's true. They can't manifest themselves. I keep forgetting that. That like you can't have chaos in like real space. Like there needs to be warp shenanigans happening for them to get through, right? You need something to bring them in. Yeah. I keep thinking they can.
Starting point is 01:03:12 just possess real space for some reason, even though I have been told the contrary a many times. Well, it's like if you have, you know, you have a planet that's covered in the horrible cancer or sickness and then everyone is praying for it to get better and then eventually Nurgled like finds a teeny crack through all of that praying and sleeps in. If Fabius is doing this and he's just like, you're not real, there's no crack. Yeah, there's no crack. There's no way through. Nope. So it's, it's a, it's a really fascinating. like contradiction between him and all the things he makes. I will say he also does have a model, a shy, if you have the new model.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Isn't it an old one? Oh, he's got a new one? Yeah, like in the last three years or so, pretty recently. Oh, snap. How did I not know this? Because we haven't talked about Fabius yet. Oh, well, that's not bad. Wow, he's a lot more decrepit and old looking than I thought for some reason.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Yeah, the models, you know, you can never perfectly get it, but... True. Man, I love his, like, uh, I don't know, I don't want to call him spider arms. Oh, the, uh, churgeon. Yeah, those are so cool. I love that shit. Yeah, and honestly, uh, his model's pretty... Oh, God, his old one is terrible.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Yeah, it's pretty bad. Um, it's a pretty fun, uh, looking model. I actually really like him on the tabletop, too. I think he's super underrated. his abilities are very very fluffy. He has a feel no pain, which is just to make him a little bit tankier. He's got a special needler pistol
Starting point is 01:04:51 that's specifically good against infantry. And then he has his rod of torment, which doesn't do a, isn't like super strong or have a lot of arm penetration, but does a ton of damage because it's a tormenting rod. His little churgan on his back gives him a couple extra attacks. and you put him in a unit and that unit gets an extra bit
Starting point is 01:05:13 to their strength and their toughness because he has modified them. Yeah, because he's pumping him full of drugs and yeah. Yeah, and then once... Oh, go ahead. What's his little dude doing to that ultramarine?
Starting point is 01:05:27 Is that supposed to be like, oh yeah, I'm just fetching the gene seed out of this ultramarine? That is exactly what he's doing. Oh, that's what a gene seed looks like? Oh, maybe. I don't know. But his surgeon acolyte.
Starting point is 01:05:40 He's taking some stuff. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, hey, look, he's got a little guy shining his son. That's not a sword. Oh, that's an ultra. Oh, that's his neck. Oh. Oh.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Yeah, it just kept getting worse. But the surgeon acolyte, it also gives him a fun rule where he can, like, get rid of a, of a damage once per turn. And then if Fabius dies on a two-up, he comes back to life with full wounds because of his clone thing. He's got his clones. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty great. He's actually really fun on the tabletop. He's not too expensive.
Starting point is 01:06:12 Man, I, I, man, I like Fabius Bile. This episode is, as has made me kind of a Fabius Bile fan. I'm bile coded, as they say. Bile is a, he is a fascinating character. He is different in a lot of ways. He's not, so, so, you know, very often in 40K, everything is in extremes. The Imperium is a hyper, no heresy, therefore no one can be fun type situation. And then you have your chaos, which are damned by the gods.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Because no matter what with chaos, you know, no matter what they get, they still will be, you know, awaiting damnation at the end of the day. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, but Bile is like neither. He's not a subject of chaos, even though he kind of is. Kind of, yeah. But he doesn't... He's literally a gray area. Yeah, but well, maybe not morally gray, but...
Starting point is 01:07:15 No, no, no, just gray in the sense that he's not really Imperium. He's not really chaos. He's just kind of in this weird gray... At least to him, he's in this gray area of, I'm not chaos. I'm not Imperium. Ooh, what am I? Exactly. Like, I believe in the betterment of mankind, full stop.
Starting point is 01:07:35 But I'm getting there. in some pretty awful ways. And in doing so, have most likely damned my life. Yeah, definitely. Cool. Yeah, I like Fabius. Very dope. Very dope.
Starting point is 01:07:48 It's a fascinating guy. As we mentioned in the beginning of this episode, Fulgroom is his first appearance, and then he has his trilogy. And then I believe the Gene father is after the trilogy. So I think if you read them in that order, probably his best.
Starting point is 01:08:04 for those who want to learn more about Fabius, maybe we'll do a little, we'll do a Fabius book club at some point. He does seem pretty neat. Yeah, he does. I think the books on him would be a wild ride. Before we end the episode, do you have any,
Starting point is 01:08:21 shy, do you have anything else in particular you want to mention about Fabius? Yeah, shy, anything you have? Huh, shy? He's pretty dope. He's got a cool mini. What do you got to say, shy? What, what I was,
Starting point is 01:08:32 what's wrong with you? Yeah, Bricky wants to be. know if you got anything to say shy. Jesus, shy. This is a genuine question. She muted me. Hey. She muted me.
Starting point is 01:08:45 She, ah. All right, D.K., do you have any, like, do you have any fucking semen or bussy jokes to throw before we end this episode, you piece of shit? Uh, nope. I, I, I, I do not. None, none that come to mind. Uh, darn, nothing, no, no, no, Fabious Bill.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Fabulous, fabulous, Billy? No, no jokes on fabulous Billy? Nope, no, no fabulous pussy, sorry. The fubussy? Oh, let's, uh, hey, shy, maybe hit that cut button, huh? No jokes come to mind. Shy got it. I was, I was wondering if, if Shy got the emphasis on that, and she did. Good for her. Seaman.

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