Adeptus Ridiculous - Ghazghkull Thraka: Book Club with Nate Crowley | Warhammer 40k Books

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

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Welcome everybody to another side special episode of Adept's Ridiculous podcast. I am Bricky. Joining us is both D.K. And a mystery guest who will reveal in the future. But before we start, I want to thank everyone so much for these support over on Patreon.com slash Adep's Ridiculous. We've actually got a new Patreon goal at the big 17K. We will be talking about the Dornian heresy, which is a fun little fan fiction side note

that we've been asked to discuss. And, well, there's a whole freaking codex written about it. So it should be all excited to get to. So that's our next major goal. If you like to see that, check us out on Patreon. You can also find the brand new poster. It has an ad mech with tits holding a toaster. All right.

So, you know, just fuck you. And... Whoa. I think it's classy. DK., you're interrupting my intro. I don't interrupt your intros. Sorry. And, um...

Uh, crap. Screw it. DK. Tell them what they find merch. Orchidate.com where you can get some sick merch. Also, the dice are back. We've seen a bunch of tweets

of people showing off their dice. I saw someone bought 50 of them. So you might. You might want to get on it because the dice appear to be popular and going rather quickly. So orchidate.com. That link is in the description.

So, yeah, good stuff. They also come in packs of, I believe, 15, 25 and, or 1025 and 50. I'm the one who runs this merch site. I should really know this. I was going to say, what are you asking me for? You run the damn thing, dude. You don't check out our merch, DK. You don't try our merch?

I have all of our, well, okay, I have the I'm a tank, I'm a tank green hoodie, which I love. It is one of my favorites. Actually, good thing. brought up the I'm a tank orc shirt today, huh? Ah, good point. I found it out. It's in coins of 10, 25, and 50. That gets cheaper in overall cost, the higher you go.

But yes, orcs. What a transition. What a Dean Kamen. I'm so proud of you. You're welcome. Thanks. All right, D.K. Remember how last time we had a guess they were in our walls? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like if we're doing an orc episode, it's curious, still there. I feel like if we're doing an orc episode, they're not in the walls. kind of blowing through the walls. Like they're on the other side of the wall, but that wall won't be a wall for very long. Yeah, they're repurposing the walls into a gun. This poor, poor Nate has just been listening to us talk like this for the last three minutes.

Hey, Nate, how's it going, buddy? Oh, hey, yeah, I'm good. How are you? You know, it's doing all right. Nice, nice intro, guys. Like, oh, yeah, orcs are in the wall. Oh, poor Nate. Hey, Nate.

Hey, Nate, welcome. Joining us onto this episode for this, Book Club is DW and Black Library author Nate Crowley, who just so happened to write not only the Gasco Throcka book

we are talking about today, but also the two twice dead king books that we talked about in the past. Welcome, our friend. Hello, I've been enjoying relaxing here in the walls with the orcs.

It's been good. That's for having me on. What's it like being in the walls with other orcs? Really, There's a really intense odor. I think that's the main thing to point out.

It's quite loud. A lot of flailing arms. You know, okay. We're still good on the orcs side of the things. Glad to have you here. We're excited to have some discussion. I'm sure we'll veer into the twice-deed realm once or twice on the way. We'll do our best to keep it, to keep it gas-related.

I'm happy to talk anything. thing Zenos. That seems to be what I've been doing recently. So yeah, just wherever we go. Out of curiosity, is that intentional or just that you just ended up writing some Zeno stuff and you're like, hey, this is cool and you kept going? Yeah, partially luck and then it fit well for me. But I guess that's, it's a big point of interest for me. I really like, I mean, obviously I'm interested in Imperium stuff because that's kind of at the core of the setting. But I really like sort of outside perspectives looking in on that, I guess, whether it's from like non-standard imperial points of view

or, yeah, obviously, like the Xenos factions. So, yeah, it's always been like the way I like to look at the setting best. And so it's been cool that seems to be where I'm slotting in right now, at least as an author. Interesting. So I guess that kind of translates pretty well into the Gazbook, because the Gaz book isn't from the perspective of Gas. its perspective of the Imperium Ordo Zinos interviewing Makari. So it's kind of like that outside kind of vibe.

Yeah, so it's... I had real fun working out how I was going to tell the story because Gasco's story's been told a lot. I've been an orc player ever since I got into 40K, which would have been in like 95. Oh, wow. So they've... Yeah, they're huge for me.

I love those guys. And I've heard Gaskell's story so many times over the years. And obviously Armageddon is one of the most told sort of war stories in the setting. And yeah, I was thinking, well, what's a fresh end on this? And Makari has obviously been omnipresent as Gaz's banner waiver, apart from when he disappeared for a few editions. And so he seemed like a really fun way into the character. and, you know, of course, the interrogation framing narrative is always a really fun one to play with.

And since I was going to be playing a lot with sort of ideas of truth and belief and things in this, it seemed a, you know, a fun place to be able to fuck around with that. Yeah. I liked how it was framed because usually with like an orc book, like it'll go from the orc perspective, and the orcs will be just the funniest goddamn thing to read on the planet. They'll be over the top and doing their orky thing. And then it'll go to like the humans and they'll be just so dry. And it'll just be like, oh my God, please get back to the orcs.

But the interrogation felt like really nicely paced because when you go back to like the interrogation and Cassia and Falks and Hendrickson, they're almost stunned disbelief at what Makari's telling them is just as a muse. using as orky bullshit. So I quite enjoyed the interrogate, going back to the interrogation and hearing their reactions to like, gas ripping a

squig's tongue out, or his guts out through his tongue to warm the snow and... It's very... Yes, I was thinking of the cunut moment a little bit with that. Yeah, it was nice. Jumping back to the... I mean, naturally, my favorite

parts of the book were the Macari telling. The VA did a phenomenal job I really enjoyed all the stuttering he did and all that how he was able to kind of really sell that concept and it's just I remember giggling my ass off during the vision scene when he just had this echoed voice the whole way through

but combining with that he was able to I think really help reflect oh I should probably say what the book is about and how to like It's about Gaskell yeah no shit So, um... Hello?

Do you pin the attention at all? The book takes place on an Ordo Zenos vessel, and it is a complete interrogation of Makari, banner waiver of Gasco by a Lord inquisitor of the Ordo Zenos, a Death Watch spacewolf's ruin priest, a Ogren Cyker, we'll talk about that later. And, um, and the Blood Axex orc uh, Nate, can you give us the full name of the orc again? Yeah, as I recall, it's Bites face of the face biter before it can bite face. But they call him Biter for sure.

It's a good nickname. Such a blood axe name, too. It got me a giggle. I'm actually sad you never said it twice. I think you only mentioned it the first time. He's in another story of mine, where they go into a bit of detail about his name, actually. It was the first thing I wrote for Black Library was a short story called The Enemy of My Enemy, which is about this sort of real sad sack guard officer who's stuck in an interminable trench war

against these orcs on this completely useless planet. And then basically a high fleet tendril shows up out of nowhere. And he attempts in a last ditch attempt to sort of get a win. to his name, attempts to negotiate a ceasefire with the orcs, they can fight the tyranids together. And his opposite number is a character that bears some striking resemblances to Baita in Gaskell. So, yeah, he's, I don't think it's going to be a huge spoiler to anyone who's read it. but yeah he makes an appearance in that story that's fun i had no idea about that how long did you write that book

uh that would have been i think 2019 um yeah oh oh i went straight on to severed after that and then twice dead king and then gaskell so pretty recently actually yeah yeah this is uh let yeah it would have been right because it was the i my first sort of physical event with Black Library was right after severed came out in the autumn of 19 so yeah enemy of my enemy came out either of the beginning of that year at the end of 2018 uh pre-pandemic memories yeah good good times you know the interesting i actually uh didn't realize that you're writing um writing career had started so recently to twice dead and all that i uh i thought there was a couple more

before that but interesting so it's so it's enemy of my enemies severed both twice deads and then gas so this is your fifth and I'm assuming you're probably working on a six of the moment yeah yeah but working on a couple of things at the the moment there was also another short story I did called emperor which is that's spelled EMPRA I was about that sounds like an or thing yeah yep no that's about um like bronze age tribes people on a ferrule world who've been hoodwinked into refitting an imperial starship uh voidship brother. It was based on like there was a paragraph of flavor text in the battle fleet Gothic rulebook in like 1998 saying that you know usually it takes so and so years to build a lunar class cruiser but it

depends on the world like you know in a feral world for example it can take millennia because people are having to build the parts by hand on the surface and I've been thinking about that for yeah like 20 years. So that was a really fun story. That was, oh, oh, goodness. All right. Whoa. Shy wants in. You want to read it, Bricky?

Yeah, I'll read it. Mini Shy book review as an orc fan and collector of a 7,000 point golf army. Yes. Gaz book is pretty must have for orc fans, and specifically old school orc fans. It is fun and, oh, this is actually a review. Wow, this is not a sassy as that would be. It's fun and well written, but more importantly, it covers a lot of things that I've been discussed. That's an orc be for a long time.

Cover some weird plot holes with a gas and his obsession with Armageddon. Shines more light on McCarion's deaths and undeths. Gives Grotsnick actual personality and also contains a big insides of orc lore, orc, gender, power belief and many other orc things. Plus, humeys in the book

are goddamn morons and they get outplayed hardcore orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, orcs, talks, works, works, talks, talks, oaks. Yeah, she's our resident, like, work experts. So if she is singing the praises,

then, you know, I'd say that's pretty high praise. Her opinion was by far the most important one that you had to wow in this book. You know, like me and D.K. enjoy our orc stuff. And D.K. does a fucking killer or compression. But she was the most important person you had to wow. So good job, dude. Yes. I was happy to hear the old school thing as well, because like I say, it goes way back for me.

And this, you know, well, pretty much what Shai said. there is what I was setting out to hopefully achieve. It's just a love letter to, you know, orcs in the 90s and, and I guess how they've evolved since then. I would agree. The, um, I also, uh, I must to make, like, yeah, I mean, actually, D.K., thoughts on the book,

you know, like, what's your, what's your review, my friend? My review. Oh, wow. I care about your opinion today. Finally, someone does. Um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I love a good org story. And I am relatively new to Warhammer 40K as far as like, our little crew is concerned. So I wasn't as keenly aware of like, Macari or like, gas, like, I've heard of them. Uh, and about as much as I had heard of Macari was like, uh, I remember everybody being upset when like, he accidentally got sat on or something and that's how he died. Um, so, give him. Um, so, Getting a much more in-depth view of, like, Makari and Gaskell's, like, origins was, like, it was fantastic. The only one of the little gripes I had was it did seem maybe a little too Macari-centric. Because I went into the book expecting, like, you know, it's called Gaskell, Prophet of the Watch.

So I was expecting it to be more like from Gaskell's perspective, which it does eventually become his perspective. kind of towards the later end, but it seemed like it was a much more like, it almost seemed more focused on like Macari and his thoughts and all that. But as Shai has told me countless times, you can't have Gaz without Macari, and Macari is basically an extension of gas. True. I think, though, because it was like a big, I was wrestling with that a lot while writing it, because you're right, you know, his name's on the cover.

But it's like, Gas Goal POV was going to be like, the most sort of potent venom I had, I guess. And I didn't want to blow it, blow it all too soon, but then I didn't want him to be kind of viewed too distantly and remotely as well. So yeah, that was kind of a tightrope act to write. And that's, yeah, I think that's fair enough. I think that was, yeah, that was the thing that was more of an expectation changer. Like if the book was had Macari say on the cover art and the name of it was Gascoll,

comma my boss I don't know I feel like that kind of would like okay it's like told in the perspective I kind of would have prepared me as to see that was more of a Makari saying it but it was one of those things

where you kind of like scratch your head a little bit when you read it but then by the time you finish you're like okay I see the point of it you know it just kind of throws you off in the beginning I actually

thoroughly enjoyed the book I almost I actually I got to admit I think you you write comedy better than you think you do And I I feel like Because there are certain points in the book That are actually

Very comedic And were obviously set up jokes And I liked them quite a bit I just kind of wish there was more Though I must admit the VA Did help with that We were mentioning just a bit ago That there's a great part

Where it's like Macari says And then Gaz had a plan And then immediately hard cuts to I've got a plan Explain gas Like that stuff was very good It added a real

real enjoyable amount of levity. But I also really, I think this is something that I say with almost every book is whenever they involve orcs. I wish I had more orc dialogue. Because some of the parts that I laughed the hardest that were the parts where like Biter was, not Biter, bullets was just killing grots.

And it's like, Macari, crushes the rock. Next. And it just over and over. Or when Gaz points them to, the sky. Like, how are we going to fight clouds? Like, that shit got me rolling. It was, it was great. I kind of wish there was a bit more of that. But I also realized that Gaz is not that kind of ork. He's like the tough ork, different or.

It's funny you say, actually, the, um, because I did what I, uh, so funny story, the twice did king books, um, were originally, uh, one book that I wrote so massively over length. that we end up having a conversation about it being two books. And that's something, that's kind of my thing. I just, I can't restrain myself for word count. And so the original draft of Gasco was really, really long. And the eventual product needed to be, well, the size it is. So quite a bit of stuff ended up, I won't say cut because I'm saving it.

I think there's definitely a use for some of it, but a lot of that stuff focused around bullets and the other clan bosses, who guys are kind of rounded together, because they had a lot of fun scenes, but it was mostly just them being fun idiots at one another. So I'm, yeah, I'm keeping some of that stuff in reserve, and then I did the Grotsnick story at Christmas as well, which ties in with this.

You know you hear about the big submarine attack on Armageddon where the orcs made loads of submersibles to cross under the big chemical sea. So like that story is, it's the framing device is in the present where Grotsnick is stitching Gascoe back together after the Space Wolves incident, but it flashes back to an occasion

where he was bringing Gascoe back from a fatal seizure while the submarines were slamming onto the peaches, beginning the assault. And that was such a fun story. That sounds like I have an enjoyable, very orky twists with it. You know, it's interesting that you said a lot of the rounding up the war boss stuff got cut, because I remember reading that part, and I was like, oh, this is kind of cool, watching him go to the different war bosses and kind of like hearing Makari talk about how he bested them and how Makari got kind of,

he had to hold on for dear life during that race. And then, like, for the last ones, they were just like, oh, okay, you know, we're just going to assume Gaskell beat the shit out of them. We can move on. I was like, wow, that was a little, that was kind of abrupt. I do appreciate the explanation for it, though, because there is nothing that a space wolf hates more

than someone else talking about how cool they are. Fair. Also, very fair. Also, back on the comedy thing, I loved the way the narrator did. I think it was Hendrickson was like, you'll tell us about Gasco, Gascoll. And Macquarie very viscerally just started making fun of the way that they pronounce Gascoal, like, gascule. Yeah. Macquarie narrator was phenomenal.

He had a good time with the role I could tell. Paul Putner was the guy, and he's a comedian, which I think made him a great choice. And like, you know, I think Richard Reid talked about this when you had him on the show. Like, as authors, we don't really get to talk with the VAs. We might talk with the production team a little bit about pronunciation and things, but it was pretty much slight unseen for me. And so when I heard the first reels that they'd recorded, I was just delighted because Paul completely nailed how Macari had sounded in my head.

So I grew up in London, like quite a manky bit of South East London. And Macari, to me, sounded like every sort of, you know, bulldog-faced old gargoyle who would hang around the local boozer looking like he wanted to murder everyone around him. And the fact that Paul managed to channel that so perfectly in the way Makari spoke was, yeah, really made me happy. Because a lot of the, as you say, like, the gags in there that are really just about, like, the rhythm of a paragraph just all came across because he had that instinct for it. And the kind of dialect, I guess, it was written in. So, yeah, Paul was a hero. He really sold the first guy to pull.

a knife in a bar fight kind of voice. Yeah, and the last. Yeah, and the last. It was a very enjoyable way of telling it. And it was a, though, it was nice that whenever we went from interrogation to McCarrow, like,

I did like the McCarry stuff the most definitely, but I was glad that I didn't groan when we got to the interrogation stuff. Like, uh, it's, it was enjoyable. I particularly liked Hendricksim.

I think he did a really good job channeling the space wolf thing because I haven't read a lot about space wolves and he felt proper space wolfy. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I went to do something different from the kind of like very wolf-centric. Wolf-wolf-wolf, yeah. Yeah, so I really wanted to sort of explore him as this, you know, weird shaman who was not really at all at ease with what he was. And he, yeah, I kind of really got fond of him myself.

Yeah, it was weird I mean, this is one of those things You have no controller But the voicing for Hendrickson Like at the beginning They have like a different Like Nordic voice for Hendrickson When he's over the comms

And then like the main Voice actor kind of just took over for Hendrickson And it was It's kind of weird Did they? I don't remember that Yeah, I remember there was like a different VA For Hendrickson at the beginning Where like Hendrickson's like over the comms

as they're making that deal with Biter. Oh, no, I think you're right. It was, I think you might be right. I think it was the gentleman, I feel bad. He was only in the one chapter at the end who voiced the vision the Henderson was doing. Yeah, he voiced the vision at the end, too. But throughout the rest of it, it was just the main, I don't remember the voice actor's names. I'm sorry, you all did such a fantastic job, too.

But yeah, it was just that one main person that was doing the voice for Falks, Falks, Cassia and Hendrickson. And Biter. And Biter. Yeah. Which is, wow, what a workload. Jesus. That is a lot to handle, actually.

I was impressed by that. I had real fun with that first bit, the little audio bit at the beginning where they're making the negotiation. I really like messing around with fonts in my books. And I remember specifically writing Hendrickson's dialogue in gray impact font. I can't remember what they actually use for the final printed product, but in my mind, he definitely speaks in gray impact font.

Oh, yeah. And man, the price for Makari, though. What was it like seven zeroes and many, many, many, many, many guns or something like that? Well, I was shocked because they gave up planets to the orcs that weren't expecting an invasion. What was it, like, five planets? They were like, yeah, you gotta give us five planets that aren't expecting the orc invasion that we can just go absolutely maraud. And it's like, whoa.

I know the Imperium are the bad guys here, but holy shit. Like, wow. I love how wild the numbers are in 40K. You know, if you're doing the trolley problem, like, as an inquisitor, like, yeah, a bunch of, like, no-name, Agri Worlds probably do mean less than a single, piece of intelligence on someone as major as Gasco. And that's, yeah, just brain melting to think about. Yeah.

And Fox makes that decision real quick. And Hendrickson is like, you what? That's too pricey. You're crazy. That's why I liked Hendrickson. I think Fox wasn't a particularly great inquisitor. I think she was very interesting. But I'm like, hmm, Fox, you're really, you're really going, you're going a little too far with some of this stuff.

I don't think you realize what you're doing. I think Hendrickson is the right idea. Oh, good job. Your blood X guy shanked your old grin in the back and the face and the neck. And now you're about to get a sailor by gascold. God damn it. I kind of love how, like, for a majority of the book, it's kind of, I don't want to say lighthearted, but it's like, you know, it's an interrogation.

Everybody's kind of, you know, jockeying back and forth. It almost seems kind of fun. And then towards the end, it turns into like a fucking horror story. the lights are going out. Why is everybody dead? Why did I wake up to my ogrean absolutely slaughtered? Hendrickson is covered in his own gore. What happened?

So yeah, I kind of like how the- That's Oaks, baby. Yeah, orcs, man. It goes from fun-loving to a horror show just lickety-split. And it's like, whoa. Holy shit. I fucking loved, I loved Hendrickson's little shaman debut. That I thought was super badass.

I loved that you just, go into like, space brains are often boring. That's why I be like chaos, because they're less boring. And the space, uh, having an enormous space wolf guy pull out a whole bunch of, of crazy witch and fucking shit as shaman like, like all this, all this like trickets and stuff and then starts slicing his body apart. It's just cool. Yeah, he's not happy guy.

No, he's not. I always think with space freens like, I said when I first got to put some in Twice Dead King, I really love writing monsters, and they are such good monsters. Like, they're so fundamentally messed up and traumatized and just mentally ruined. And sure, they're extremely good at having fights, but, you know, they're the last thing you'd want to be.

Oh, yeah. I remember when we read Twice Dead King, and they're like, oh, my God, the number. Oh my God, look at this invasion. I was like, oh, man, it's got to be tearing it. Maybe it's orc. And they're like, oh, my God, there's an Aquila. I was like, it's us?

Excellent. Yeah, I remember your reaction to that. I was very happy. Oh, my God, they're so bad. It was properly exciting during that period time because it's just, I don't, people always forget that the Imperium is a Horde army. Yeah. And they just kind of don't remember that.

And it added a lot to it. And it would also make sense because, in rain, the main space marine threat you used were death company, which are some of the most fucked up space marines out there. So it works out pretty well. Yeah, I really enjoyed, like, I was quite satisfied when I worked that out because I wanted there to be this, you know, I really like mirroring stuff. I know it sounds quite wanky, but like I really enjoy having stuff, you know,

reflected across two sides of narrative, whatever. It happens a lot in Gascoor, but in rain having those death company guys faced off against Altix and his merry men, there was just some quite nice parallels between them. You know, there's obviously the skull iconography and then, you know, being massively removed from their original biological form and having their minds completely twisted inside out with trauma.

You know, there was some nice reflections of the Flade One stuff going on. Good old death company. I bought a bunch of death company, actually, while I was writing that. Hell yeah. That's how Black Library gets you as an author. You write scenes about this stuff. You know, yeah, yeah, I really want to paint up a bunch of plastic models of these guys. You guys want to give me a discount, right?

A bulk discount made me for writing your book. Oh, oh, man. Just the combination of GW dropping the points costs on Flay 1's, to 10. And then these two books coming out. I'm like, oh, oh, shit. Oh, shit. We see you.

The flayed ones are every, going to be everywhere. Yeah, I've seen loads of flayed one, like, paint jobs and like catbashes and stuff around. And that's been really nice to see. I love those boys. Hell, I snide myself a seraptic. I was considering making it look like that horrible communion monster when I get the opportunity to. Yeah. But unfortunately, it does.

It doesn't fit my army is a little bit more like normal looking. But I kind of, I kind of want to just slap some spikes. Slap some spikes on that shit. Throw a bunch of space marines, like some ultramarines, impale them on the top. And you just have a good time. Yes. Do you know the, uh, PVA and Superglue trick?

Uh, oh, to make like blood. Um, it looks like, it looks like, like flesh bits. I, yeah, it looks like stretch skin and stuff. Like, it gets used to lock with Nergel army. It forms this kind of manky membrane that for a bit you can sort of stretch over the model. And I've been doing some experimenting with like Flade 1 canopects and stuff, like based on the idea that seraptec came from. And it's a good effect.

It's a real good effect. I've seen some of that stuff. It's not like, yeah, I'm not good enough to do it yet, but maybe with time. You got to try first, you know. Yeah, it's certainly a tough one. Anywho, that's all, that's all Necrone stuff. We've, we've had, we've had our fair share of Necron episodes. Necrans supremacy.

Necron supremacy, man. The, um, though, uh, show me back on over to the Gaz book. I'm actually, I actually felt a little bit of pride as I was reading through the book. Because we had a gascoal episode prior to reading this book. And I think I was pretty on point. I, I remember him, him, um, going to, uh, getting his face, blown off, going to Grotsnick, had, uh, having the desicles guy, miss every shot. headbutting, gauves.

It was, even, I'm actually a little sad that Makari got heated outside of the space hope before we got to see Gazz headbutt the fucking portal. Because I really liked that particular moment where he just headbutts the portal and it coincidentally closes.

It gave me a solid giggle. They solved with headbutts. It's a lot of fun. That scene as well with Gaz fight. There's not, the funniest thing there weren't many fights in that book. Because I always,

my wife's always the first person who reads my 40K books because she's not interested in 40K. So if she likes it, I know I've done all right. Oh, fair. And she finished it and I'm like, there weren't many fights in that. I was like,

yeah. But the one with the Greater Demon was really fun. I just watched a bunch of MMA clips and just, you know, the most. brutal clobberings I could find and then tried to get that energy into that scene.

It was a fun one. I liked the concept that all the all the orcs were seeing a bunch of glowy-eyed things and like, oh, cool, we can be here forever. I also kind of love the fact that what was it? So McCarrey tells

Gaskill's origin story and it's like, oh yeah, his hand came up out of the snow, ripped a guts out of the squig, and what, and then, and then, what is, I think Cassia's like, isn't it more likely that they just kind of found him in the snow passing by looking for parts and brought him in the cart? And they're like, yeah, and none of them are surprised. It's like, oh yeah, there's totally room in an orc's head for two completely contradicting ideas, and it doesn't make their head explode. And it's like, warcs are weird. Orcs are so fucking weird. Now, see, if you can hold two ideas in your head at the same time, just means you've got a more musly brain. Oh my god, that's so perfect.

I liked the explanation of why the headbutt is so important, because you're using mork to hit with gork. That got me a good one. It's like, yeah, using your brains to beat something. I'm like, that's smart. I never thought about that. Gaskell gives his first speech. He calls it a beating of the mind,

and McCarrey equates the two things. So, well, a headbutt is ontological. identical to a speech because you're using the thing you think with to make someone else do what you want. And it's, you know, it checks out. Yep, checks out. It really does. It's a shockingly apt comparison and use. It kind of cooked me off guard. I think the, um,

Yeah, orcs can be wise. Well, yeah. In their way. I did find a, it works for them. I did find a good. humorous that eventually gaz trying to figure out what the gods want from him and the answer was punch

more things. He was thinking too hard. He used to have been thinking less. Yep. It was good. I enjoyed the book. It was an interesting time. I'm trying to think because I don't want to just

be on my knees next to you the whole time. I got to think of some things to I don't want to be on my knees next to you the whole time. Holy shit. I got to think of some criticisms. I got to think of some criticisms. Here, D.K., you talk, you say some things. Oh, oh, go be mean to Nate.

Go be mean to Nate. Say something stupid, D.K., say something stupid. Get it, boss. I actually gave McCarrey that line in the book. When Carrie actually spoke, I do like the little high-pitched way he would speak some times. He's a grad, of course. Yeah, it was fun. I think if anything, I would have liked a little, definitely a little bit more of the orc speaking part,

but you mentioned that part was cut a little bit from the final product. You know, I do think that despite the characterization of the interrogators were better than most, I think I would have either liked more characterization for them or maybe less. Like, I don't know. It's weird. If it's like, I would have either taken 80-20 Macari or 50-50. We're at like 70-30. I think the needle needed to go in one other direction a tiny bit more.

Probably more than the Macari, so I considering the name of the book. It was totally like a challenge. I think I set a bit of a big target for my. myself to have like proper character progression and stuff happening in both stories. And definitely, again, you know, that was that was a conversation we had a lot when we're like, okay, how do we cut this down to size a little bit? And, you know, there was one point where I was exploring like, well, do I really cut the framing device right down to, to bear bones in order to fit as much into the Makari stuff. And, uh, I think it was in the end deciding to keep,

you know, the scene with, uh, with Zotel, the, the cup bearer, which the really messed up crutes. That was a lot of fun. I like that one a lot. Oh, that thing was so gross. Yes. That was a big thumbs up. That was it. And we were like, well, you know, this doesn't strictly need to be there for narrative reasons, but it's really cool. And if we don't get rid of that, then we should probably keep the rest. And that, you know, it kind of fell into that shape. But I do, I do get what you know. mean. I think like it very nearly went down a route where I did go kind of 80-20 with the Makari stuff definitely. Yeah, I feel I feel like a lot of the interrogators had maybe just a little bit

too exposition heavy for their for their backgrounds. I think that was probably because you had to cut some stuff. I noticed that especially at the end when they were talking about, you know, Hendrickson and and Volt, sorry, oh, wait, I've forgot the Inquisar's name already. folks. Folks. Thank you. For some reason I was thinking Volks and I was thinking of the Voten. You want to write a squat book, go to town.

Oh, one of these days, believe me. I'd love to. They were talking about their time back in the Finrisian bar and stuff like that. And that stuff kind of was really interesting, but it was like, it was like a little peak and then I kind of went back to the Macari stuff. It's like, you know, a little bit like trying to figure out the side of it. Yeah, there was definitely more there that could have been said. Yeah, I'm with you. I think also is because.

I don't hear much about space wolves because I haven't really read many wolf books. And so seeing the wolf shaman was certainly an interesting apt comparison. But I pretty much have very, very little to complain about with all the Makari stuff. Macari stuff was pretty solid and elevated by the VA, no doubt. So I'm still relatively new to 40K stuff. And I know orcs have crazy powers of belief. I was unaware that like someone like Gaskell could have a strong enough will that he can like revive a specific orc? Because like he keeps reviving specifically Makari, right?

I didn't realize that was a thing with orcs. Like I knew that they were fungal and they just keep, they just keep popping up if you leave them alone. I didn't realize you could like actually be like, oh yeah, I want Makari back. And it's like, bloop. And he's got sort of like the mark on him. I didn't realize that was a thing until this book. Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, you know, writing the stuff you want to leave it as open to interpretation as possible,

because it's, you know, it's not really my job to kind of set how the universe works. But I think when you've got something as interesting and big and nebulous as, like, orchidest out belief, there's room to do some weird stuff with it and there are so many what I enjoyed and what I kept in my head very much when writing it is to allow,

and this is appropriate given the talk about orcs and cognitive dissonance and having multiple ideas in your head is having multiple different explanations for how that could have happened that aren't all quite mutually exclusive like they're all kind of possible simultaneously and thinking about like the Great Green

which they talk about a lot and obviously they have that vision. What is that? Is it entirely a metaphor? Is it actually a thing? Is it some kind of cloud storage system for all ideas? Is Makari like just uploaded to G-Drive? He just re-downloads it every time he breaks, yeah. Is G-Drive G-DRIVE?

Hey! A, you'll be here all that, I'll put that in there. I'll be here on Monday. Is Gascoe even like doing it consciously? Or is it just happening organically? Because there's obviously there's the bit where Makari comes back during Gasco'll second go at Armageddon. And it's because bullets and the boys have been kind of whining.

Like, where should it McCarrey? We miss him. Yeah. Gascoe sort of does it sarcastically, but even his sarcasm, like even something he doesn't really mean is enough to bring Macari back. Yeah, that's right. Macquarie has that little, yeah, Macari has that little moment of, oh, he brought me back as just a joke. Just because he's got such a strong will, I just kind of came back as a joke.

What a flex, right? Oh, man. But it's Gaskell, so you could totally believe, because he's, look, he's literally built different. So you could totally believe that crazy-ass-big-old Gaskill is just like, ah, offshoot idea, and it's like, oh, his will is so strong. Loop. There's McCarry. There's the sort of the interconnected thing with, with Ork, Will, and belief as well.

Gaskell obviously is a phenomenally willful individual, but he's also like a capacitor, I guess. He's like a lightning rod for wider, you know, desires and stuff in the horde that's following him, because you have that scene where he's kind of having a crisis of faith on Armageddon. He's like, well, I'm not sure the gods believe in me. And if the gods don't believe in me, the boys won't believe in me. And I won't believe in myself. And it's all kind of connected together. So it's like every orc, like, believing in Makari as well. And it's funny, you mentioned earlier, the sort of

the backstory about him getting sat on. Another scene that didn't quite make it in by One of You Someday is Makari getting resurrected at some point just like a grok cleaning the drops, which are the orc lavatories, and the idea that he's just like cleaning up turds and he hears two boys above who had just sat there talking and they're like,

whatever happened to that Macari? Yeah, a funny little friend. I heard he got sat on by a squig. Nah, you know, and they're sort of sharing these different theories about what happened to him. Macari's just nodding along because all of these things have happened to him. They're all true. It's like that Han Solo, it's true, all of it moment. Yeah, that would have been fun to get in.

I enjoyed him beating himself to death with a wrench. That was, that would get me a good giggle to. I actually would have enjoyed if you extended for a couple more pages his montage of killing himself. I think that that would have been a great like happy death day kind of thing. Yeah, I had a real image of that in my head as well. There was going to be one where he woke up in the middle of like a pit fight where, you know, Nasdrag, the big, big bad moon ork. He was going to be in the story a little bit and there was going to be the sequence. during that, you know, Macari Bins himself montage,

where, like, Gascoor and Nasdreg are making their beefiest grots fight each other as part of, like, entertainment at a feast. And Macari was going to wake up as one of the grots and just completely and utterly job the fight, letting Nasdreg's grot win to humiliate Gascoor. And just, like, looking at Gascoor as it happens, like, yeah, screw you. Get wrecked. It is kind of funny too, because I know that in the actual tabletop game, Makari has like one of the most overpowered rules in the game.

Yeah? Yeah, I'm not sure. I know, wait. Nate, I'm assuming you're not too familiar with the tabletop stuff. No, I do a lot of hobby stuff, but I barely ever get to play. So he has a rule called Suspiciously Lucky, which it makes it so that it, he has a thing called a two-up and vulnerable save. And what that is, is basically, like, everyone has armor and crap like that in the game,

and the armor can be adjusted by arm penetration, but in vulnerable saves, like, force fields, things like that, and they're, you know, that kind of thing. Anything that's, like, a dice of a four or higher is considered pretty good. Things that are a three or higher are basically non-existent now. They're only existing on, like, Harlequin Solitaire and, like, Caldor Drago. And so he has a two up. So every time he gets hurt in any way, and if you roll a dice and it's a two or higher,

he's totally fine. And because he's just a lucky-ass grot. But it says if you fail it at any point, it goes away for the rest of the game. But he also has this weapon called Makari Staba. And it does like no damage at all. But if you roll a six for it, it could do enough damage to like kill multiple Marines.

It's fucking hilarious. I absolutely adore it. It's very Makari. And he has a little rule that gives him increased movement when he's next to Gascold. It's called Keep Up. It's great. It's great. I love it. Yeah, I referenced that in the book actually when they're on the Hulk clearing out all the demons and that. Macari is like running for sort of three days straight. And he's like, this shouldn't be possible, but I keep doing it.

And all the orcs like, yeah, go on. How long is he going to keep up? Come on, little guy. I just can't quite understand how this pathetic little creature is still sprinting about with the best of them after three days. Carrying the big old banner. I actually like Grotsnick. At the end, I started to enjoy Grotsnick a bit more. He didn't have a whole lot of screen time, but he was a lot more fun coming at the end. Oh yeah, yeah, that was fun to write.

Yeah, he's painted as a villain for so long. Oh, he just wants to make the Prophet suffer. And then it's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the reason that what's his face, his shots all missed. And I've been building up this new body for him. And he's like, he's all right, actually. Well, no, I mean, he does also really enjoy making the Prophet suffer. I was about to say, I disagree, D.K.

I think he's kind of a shitter. Yeah, he's like, he's a complete bastard. He's just a sadist. But at the same time, if Gaskell wasn't suffering, so much. If he wasn't, you know, if Grotsnick wasn't like leaving scorpions and syringes or whatever in his head when he slowed it up each time, he wouldn't be having these huge visions. Like, you know, his pain and his madness is a huge part of what drives him and inspires him. And so that's kind of a necessary piece of the puzzle. Isn't that what Grotsnick says kind of towards the end?

Like, yes, he's a sadist, but he's like, if it wasn't for me, like, he wouldn't have that sort of crazy madness and the vision that makes him so strong. So see, he was a good guy all along. D.K.'s right. Let's go. Well, yeah, it's like the trolley problem again, isn't it? It's back to, you know, does Falx give up the ten planets, you know, in order to get that one bit of intel? It's, there you go. I told you, reflecting stuff. Makes me sound really clever.

Yeah. The orcs and they're cleverness They're so clever Orcs are so clever I What's the one part? Oh, crap I'm trying to remember

Oh, you know, I actually really enjoyed the part When the sun went out That was That was kind of frightening In like a creepy existential way Because you know You have those simulations And some of those movies

And stuff where our sun goes out And like the slow heat death of the planet And just that kind of concept there and you know, Gaz just standing out on the balcony and all that. It was really, that was a really interesting little segment there. I thought that was cool in it. It really felt like a genuine doomsday. Oh, yeah.

Thanks, yeah. I'd been playing Frostpunk a whole bunch if you played that game. Oh, that is a child labor? Did you sign child labor? I always signed child labor. Yeah, of course. Right, let's go. Oh, no.

It's so grim dark. It's 40K, all right. I did a video on Frostpunk, a bit of go. I absolutely adore that game. It's my favorite city builders ever. Yeah, the atmosphere in that is completely wild. Yeah, that was definitely a design choice going into writing that chapter. Hell yeah.

No wonder I enjoy it. Also, Shai had a little blurb. She said, it's not a criticism, but I guess the most controversial thing about this book will be Ork's gender being they, them, as they only been established as males before, despite the fact they're asexual fungi. I don't really have gender. Personally, I was interpreted this contradiction as orcs are genderless, but they chose to consider themselves as males.

I always thought it was the football hooligan kind of thing, yeah, where you just assume that it's like a bunch of brash dudes having a pint or 20 at a game. Yeah, I think that's pretty much, I would say, the way I look at it aligns with Shires. that gag was basically because I wanted them to have a little scrap about it. And it was really about Biter showing off how much he knows about humans. Because Biter's like, he's like a weeb for humans, basically.

And he wants to show them how much he knows about their culture. And so even though, like, among themselves, so in Ork language, like, As I would see it, they probably just got one pronoun they use. And, yeah, like, I haven't really thought about it too much. I don't think I said anything about it in the book. But I think the point is it's biter saying, okay, I'm going to translate this as accurately as possible. And since I know that humans have this whole sex and gender thing, I am not going to, you know, I'm going to show I know about that. So I'm going to keep calling every orc they.

And that, like, obviously really annoys Hendrickson. And so he's like, well, you know, just use he, please. And yeah, Biter does that. But I think he had just that moment of pride in me. I'm like, ah, you know, look how much I know about your, you know, language and culture and stuff. So I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to be a real stickler about this. And I'm going to wait for you to correct me because I know that you all say he about orcs. So he doesn't really care either way.

He's just trying to big himself up. He's a humaboo. Yeah, I love that. Oh, yeah, no, I'm a huge, I'm a huge, shy man. Yeah, I'm a big Blood Axe fan. I particularly just enjoy the shenanigans that they always get themselves into. And it's also kind of funny just to see this giant green orc with like a, like a mill, like a general's coat, the whole bunch of random metals and stuff. It's just like that kind of laughable interpretation of a human is really funny.

You definitely want to read the enemy and my enemy. There's one point where the Ork General and the Human General are in the, like, tactical bunker in that, and the Human General's trying to think, and he's getting really distracted by the Ork, moving a model Lehman Rus around, like, the Strategic Table going, he's like, will you stop that? That's the 3003rd Armoured Division. and he just like

Yeah just like knocking over other regiments This is a serious representation of the battlefield Can you please stop? That is great That's fun Yeah I absolutely should in that case

Yeah that sounds a good time Yeah I don't I mean Warhammer fans are a colorful bunch And they've got a lot of old think And you know I can I know that some people were all

you know, being angry, sad, annoying people about that whole little little scene stick there, but it was pretty quick and pretty quick and done with. I guess I did, when I read it, I did think it was a little, a little like out of place in terms of pacing for the book. It kind of came out of nowhere

in a weird sense, but it wasn't anything particularly bizarre. I know you had a similar quick talk like that for the Necron's or like a Necron Patriot Camp Matron. thing and I really liked that. It was quick and really concise and I was like, huh, interesting. And then we kind of went along. And that was, that was good. Also, um, yeah, that was received exactly how I would hoped it would be received. Yeah. Yeah, that was, it was very quick tasteful. I loved it.

I mean, Fox, Fox was gay as well. It was lesbian, but that was very, very quick and simple as well. I liked her little, uh, jab about being in a, in a comfortable ass quarters with, uh, with an attractive servant girl. Yeah, she really regrets the life she's chosen for herself. Yeah, I could tell she was not having a great time with her life decision. She's like, man, this sucks. I'm interviewing this conniving little prick across the way with this shit-eating grin for 22 hours. And things go very south on that ship.

They do. I love how Biter just leaves. Like, he's just never, like, he's just gone. He doesn't have like a final goodbye or anything like unfortunately Cassia does die But he's just like oh no alarms are going oh biter's gone I'm like fucking blood it's like the bite ago fucking blood axe My head canon for that at the end with biota is because a lot of people have said like you know Why why kill Cassia it's just needless and you know it was you know did you write that just sort of pull the heartstrings and

Honestly in my head well for the one part he's just stole Cassia's key. But why choose Cassia? I like to think in Biter's own head. He was just, you know, being a cool, helpful guy. Because he really likes humans, right? And there's that whole thing about how there shouldn't be Ogrin Sycas, you know, according to, you know, objective truth as it's understood in the Imperium. It's not possible for an Ogren to be a Psycha, you know, but now psychic awakening, these things are happening. So Baita in his own head is just, well, yeah, I guess I'll reestablish the objective truth of the Imperium while I'm here and, you know, get rid of the Ogren Psycha.

And now the truth is reaffirmed. There are none, which he probably thinks is doing a favor. And again, you know, Orch psychology is just very different. Yep. Yes, no doubt. Because the Imperium was like, oh, yeah, you know, we need to execute Cassia when she didn't have a name because yeah the imperial truth says these things aren't supposed to exist and it took like a last minute saving from i think it was falks right that saved her yeah yeah yeah and uh that's that's

that's how she got there because they were going to execute her to uphold the imperial truth which is such a wacky idea and god the imperium are bastards i i must yeah i just thought he was doing them a favor i must i must i must admit the idea of a ogren cyker just feels like running around with a live not strapped in the back of a pickup truck. Like, that's fucking horrifying. The concept of an ogre... Cassie is so chill. She is so chill, but Cassie is different.

I can't imagine just being on the battlefield with like a Bulgrin, the commissar, and then they just happens to end up being a psycher, and the bulgren is just like, I got him boss, and then like zaps it with his mind. And then the commissar is saying, they're like, oh my God, what has happened?

It's such shenanigans, but it was a phone one. Yeah, I'm really sad Cassia went. I think maybe I wish there was just a bit more of like a finality to it. It definitely came a little bit out of left field. A little out of the blue. Or if anything, I wouldn't have minded seeing the battle or like being told of the battle during that period of time because it would have been interesting.

I would have liked to have heard any of Biter's dialogue during that kind of thing I kind of wonder what he would say as a blood axe Yeah for what it's worth I imagine it was weirdly polite That's what I imagined it as too Yeah

Kind of normal I'm really sorry about this But according to the Imperial Truth You can't exist Stab stab Stab stabb Wading in with his Seb Yeah

Or maybe he's jealous Because the Ogren is both a hume and big and then he's like it's like you're everything I wanted to be die either way he definitely said no no hard feelings

but botched it so it'd be like you know no difficult feelings or something like that it's like no odd emotions or some crap he just made the wrong words I like how he would just occasionally I like how you take his hat off

and just put over his chest And he's like, he was a good man. That was his name, Strategic? Yeah, oh, the guy he clearly murdered to steal his position. Yeah. And the respect is real as well. That's blood axes. I like how Gascoe got to strategic basically right to his face to give him a knife.

And he's like, oh, shit. Yeah, I'll join you. I don't want to get stabbed. It was very enjoyable. Yeah. Blood axes. I'm glad you like bloodxes. I'm making a lot of blood X stuff at the moment.

I just... You know those huge bucket wheel excavators from Germany? Oh, yeah, yeah. ...a meter long Leviathons. I just bought a model kit of one of those, which I'm going to do up as an enormous Oak Battle Fortress. That's going to be a blood X thing, so I want to have like helipads on it and things like that.

That's going to be a super fun model. Snakey gits. That sounds like a good time. I'm trying to find more like bits. I can somehow give my orcs like jackets and hats and various other hume paraphernalia. I kind of wanted to do one where there's all a whole bunch of

garbage cans. And you can just like barely see the ears sticking out of the top or something of the orcas because they're hiding and being sneaky and on the garbage can. I could just write like not ork. What's worth knowing

for the coats and things, a bunch of World War II kits are in like a scale that's slightly bigger than 40K, but because, um, because orcs have such weirdo proportions and 40Ks in like heroic scale anyway, it means like the torsos of the crew for vehicles and things in these kits are actually the same size as an orc torso and a lot of them have got like great coats with the lapels and stuff. So if you can do some rudimentary green stuff work, that's a good way of getting officer coats and stuff for your orcs. There you go. Yeah, that's a green stuff scares me, but I do agree, but I'm, I'm, uh, fear.

That's the next step in your evolution is green stuff, dude. Dang it, dude, I mean, I've built an entire fucking sisters on where. Those bitches are impossible to paints. Oh, my God. Yeah, you can be green stuff. I can, you're right. I can do it. I can do it.

I can do it. I can do it. Yeah, I got this. Goes and buys green stuff. I immediately dries it out. I believe in you. Gascoe believes in you and that's a lot of belief. Oh, well, if Gascoe believes you can do it, you got this.

You've already done it. Yeah, yeah. How'd you feel about the ending, Bricky? Like the very end with, uh, uh, uh, Macari wants them to kill him, throws him in prison, and then, uh-oh, orc fleet, and then all the lights go out and it. screen. I'm not gonna lie. I was a little disappointed by the ending.

You, in your last two twice dead books, you've made some fucking incredible endings. The final stand of Gilles and the flayed ones ripping through the human vessel was like 10 out of 10 exciting.

So much fun, really action-packed, like a lot of emotional weight behind them. Like it was a crescendo. It reminded me of like the suicide mission of mass effect two like it's all come together you know um nice comparison yeah is yeah you bear you like that comparison mass spec two is his higher regard but um yeah it it felt a little a little sudden i think i would have liked some some big battle or or maybe maybe a bit like of a fully longer-told battle of gas and ragnar like something a little bit more epic to really

tie the bow on it. As far as I'm concerned, the ending was fine, but it didn't have that, maybe as my expectations reached me, but it didn't have that, like, that ping, that final, like, stamp that I was really hoping for. Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely more about the journey for me, so, yeah, that's fair, I think. More about the journey than the destination. Shai said she was about to get angry at the ending when Humis were about to win, but then the last

couple of sentence made her happy. Yeah, yeah. very clear that the humis were not going to win. The humis were coming, and they were going to cause real problems. Yep. Yeah, like the best case scenario there is that Falks and Hendrickson do get away with Makari, but I'm not really sure that puts them in an amazing situation. Yeah.

You know. I did like, I did like that they were able to use what they learned throughout the book to kind of outsmart Macari a little bit, because you, you know, know he was just grinning ear to ear like hey kill me do it i'll just go back to the boss and tell him where you all are yep you know i'm not sure that was the plan yeah yeah yeah he was expecting me to act like inquisitors right so it's kind of funny that you picked up on the fact that yeah fowx perhaps isn't the best at her job by a lot of definitions but in the end that's her one saving grace in this situation because if she had done her job by the book that really would have played

into Makari's hands. So, you know, she kind of redeems herself by making one last mistake in a string and mistakes, I guess. I enjoyed Hendrickson's temper at the end, too.

You made him sound proper frightening. Like, he looked like he was ready to fucking throw hands. It was good. And yeah, as I was to say, what I tried just mentioned is that in the battle between Gaz and Ragnar, yeah, Ragnar does have that jumping,

like mid mid air hero pose kind of thing with his sword. Does he? I haven't seen Ragnar's Mini. Oh no? Here, I'll get him for you. I don't think so. Yeah, this is great. Shai's picking up all, but it's the details, man.

It's the little details. There's so many little references to things. When you have Shied this giddy over all of the little details and all of these sort of, you know, fans complaining about Makari and the submersibles, you know you've made a good orc book. Because usually, you know, I'm going to put shy a little bit on it. She didn't even read the books usually. But this one, she was proper giddy.

Like she was on Bricky's ass to read this book. Yep, yep. You know what I'm reading next? We're reading the orc books. I want an ork book. Me, me, me, me, me. Whining sounds. So when you get shy this excited about orcshit, you know you got a winner.

Yeah. Yeah, I bung that book full of Easter eggs. There's lots of, you know, there's lots and lots and lots and little references to, you know, I suppose, like memes from the hobby before people even talked about memes, which is making me sound as old as I am. But yeah, there's a lot of that sort of stuff. Oh, man, I don't know why, but Ragnar looks like a slimy motherfucker. Like he looks like, I don't like Ragnar. That's just the way Space Wolves look, dude. They're greasy, sons of bitches.

Yeah, but he just looks, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm all about thousands of, oh, that space wolf looks disgusting. Well, you think all space wolf looks disgusting. Yeah, I do, but he looks like, I don't know what it is about him, but he just looks like a villainous kind of guy, and I don't, I don't like him. And now I'm just like, man, this slimy, greasy douchebag cut off Gaz's head, that's bullshit. I mean.

Yeah, but if you're all about Thousand Suns, you know, your idea of, of like this is, you know, peak physical performance, deal with it, is a suit of armor full of dust. We're not the sorcerers, okay. Sorcerers are still alive-ish.

Called out decay easily. And of course he looks like a greasy. Huh? What about madness? He's got nipple horns. Yeah, because he's got so much beef. But, buddy, of course he looks like a villain. He's part of the Imperium. They're not good people.

Yeah, but I don't know Gilliman looks fine But this I Gillamins a boy scout Whatever Whatever Unlike him I think

I think we're I think we're rounding them down here Is there anything else That Shai or UDK You wanted to get in Nate any final closing I don't know Things you wanted to say

Questions for us, etc No other than to say thanks again for having me on. It's a lot of fun to talk about the book. I really, really, really enjoyed writing it, even though I was doing it in the sort of middle of 2020 when my brain was falling apart and it was like, you know, middle of the pandemic, like just worst time psychologically to be doing anything really involved. So it was really tough, but I still had a great deal of fun with it. So it's, yeah, I'm just really glad you had fun too. And I'm looking forward to writing more.

I think we're the ones that are most thankful that you decided to put up with our inane antics for the morning for a whole hour plus. Like that takes some mental fortitude. Like not everybody can handle us for that long. Inane is the word I would use. Mm-hmm. Inane, insane. Any combination of those letters works. Insane and the brain.

insane in the number Yeah Yeah Shai's final thoughts But good Very orky of you Shai We've done it We've done it

We've done it Excellent we've done it Excellent Good job You did de boys proud Done good Nice finks Thank you very much

I really Don't tread on any landmines On the way out I really would like to There's a jean steeler Cult model That has like a war table With it

I kind of want to get that bit And then make like and then like draw like a little Leman Russ and have like a blood X with his hand on the table It's like, for real? I haven't seen that miniature. I want that. Yeah.

I think it's... Oh, damn it. You've just cost me more money, boys. Damn, I have. Actually, yeah, let me see if you can find the name of that thing. I think it's the gene stealer, uh, nexus or locust? Locus? No, nexus.

Oh, I think it is. Um... Wait, that actually... The nexus, it's, uh, or nexos, it's, uh, here's the link. He's got like a little, little war table. Yeah, and it's like this little stuff going on there. So he's got a big old base. Yeah, yeah, you could very easily do that.

Have a little, have a little tank there, you know, yeah. I like it. Thank you. Options exist now. Awesome. All right, well, uh, Nate, if there, anything you like to shout out, if you have a Twitter or if you just want to mention some of your other books and you want to make some discussion there, be our guest.

Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Frog Crockley, F-R-O-G, C-R-O-A-K-L-E-Y. And if you are interested in my non-40K stuff, I had a book out in 2020 called Notes from Small Planets, which was a fictional travel guide to a bunch of fantasy worlds I'd invented. It's pretty funny. I like it. Apparently, it's pretty funny. That's, you know, not my own judgment.

You can be like, my book is really funny. Laugh. It's perfect. You have to buy it. Yeah, no, that's me. And, yeah, I've got, can't talk about anything that's coming out,

but I've got stuff in the works with Black Library. so I look forward to that being revealed in the not too distant. So yeah. Awesome. Very good to hear. Me and D.K., you know, where you can find. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the usual.

No one gives a shit. And we'll be mentioning the next book for the book club in the next episode of AdRicks. So stick around on next Wednesday. It's going to be a really big episode. So get excited, D.K. Oh. This is a big one we've been waiting on for a bit. Oh, it's a big episode, and Brickie gets to choose.

Must be a sister's episode. Shut your fucking mouth.