Adeptus Ridiculous - I Forced Them To Create Loyalist Space Marine Chapter Lore For Our 4th Anniversary

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

 https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculous https://www.adeptusridiculous.com/ https://twitter.com/AdRidiculous https://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculous On the nefarious orders of Shy, Kirioth leads team of Adeptus Ridiculous on creation of original space marine chapter lore for Warhammer 40k. Bricky is mad that he can't create a chaos warband and Dk is full of bad ideas. Loyalist traitors thinking they are from loyalist gene-seed? Paranoid fear of non-existent gene-seed flaws? SNAKES? Hilarity ensues. Also it's 4 years of Adric, so there's that. Support the show

Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, his name is Ricky. And oh, look, it's Carriott. But before we get into that, if you enjoy today's episode and maybe you want to support us, head over to patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen. $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in crispy HD digital format. And, oh, what's that?

Shy. Excuse me? What? There's a new poster today? Oh, yipp. B. I'm told, well, I don't know. You do haven't really sent like a,

like a particular tone into this one. So, I think you will appreciate this poster quite a bit. Yeah, but your sarcasm is like, boom. Check it out. Hey. Wow.

What's, what's, what's he been doing all this time? What's the kind of been doing all this time in the world? What's, what's he doing in there? That's what he's doing in there. What, hell is this?

It's just the poster. You just got some, you know, Eldari wifos in a jacuzzi. No big deal. God damn it. Oh, that's right. I forgore. I foregore the elves are not your

cup of tea, are they? I mean, it's not that. It's just I didn't expect this of all the things. The Khan is out there getting Eldar booty. It's pretty good. What impresses me is, every time you do this, I'm always like, I don't know why I expected, but it wasn't that. And yet somehow this is, this is more of, I don't know why I expected, but it definitely wasn't

that than any of the others, which it feels like you're upping the ante. I like to assume that all of the scratch marks on the con are not due to like battle scars from being the con, but due to whatever foreplay was encouraged during the dark city. So you love the poster. It's a good poster. Hell yeah, let's go. Hell yeah. All right.

Well, you know where you can get it, everyone. You can go get it at orchidate.com. Link in the description. There's a joke to be made there in like context of the poster. But I let's, we'll just skip past that. Oh, because he's smoking and laying pipe. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, today is a landmark episode. for us, huh? It is. This is our four-year anniversary of Adeptus Ridiculous. Four years. Four years.

God damn. This started smack dab in the year of our Lord and Savior. And it was late, you know, late 2020. Directly to here. Got some, shy has some thank yous, of course, that I believe I'll go ahead and Rattle off. Thanks, of course, to our viewers and listeners. Huge thanks to our Patreon supporters, our Discord community and moderation team.

Ted Zero for thumbnail and other art. Zyfer also knows Halestay for the poster art. Carolina for character, interface, and logo art and design. Sinvicta for our intro music. Sparky 1J for assisting shy with editing. And thank you so much, of course, to Keryath for joining our team and helping out with episodes and taking some of the load off of me. That's you, Caria. That's you.

I'm just happy to be here, honestly. I'm just, it's just nice. It's just fun and nice and enjoyable. And thank you for having me on this regularly. Hell yeah. Also, Shai has some stats for us. I feel like this is just how it always is. Every set I ever see, even merch is always the same. It's US, UK, Canada, Germany, Australia.

then a smattering of everyone else. Yep. Fascinating. I did not realize our top city is actually London. That's where all the disposable income is in the UK. That's where London is, you know, it's the financial capital of the UK. So that's where the most number of people can afford to buy Warhammer. So that does track.

That makes sense. I believe it from the nature of like the UK is Britain's the founder of Warhammer, etc. I don't know. I just maybe expected a slightly higher ratio in the states, which in fairness, the next one, two, three, four cities are in the states. Yeah, that's fair.

I am shocked that New York is number one, though, and then Chicago and then Los Angeles. Yeah, I would have guessed Los Angeles would have been way up there. Agreed. Like ahead of Chicago, New York. I would have almost assumed Los Angeles would have been number one. There's got to be a massive shout out to Australia, because there's three, we've got Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. And frankly, that high on the list when Warhammer costs roughly 20 times more than literally anywhere else in the world, you know that those are the diehard fans.

You know that they are 100% invested, and I mean literally invested, there are kidneys being sold to a Ford Imperial Knights over there. So that's genuinely impressive. No, Shai's right. It's just holdover from the Detective Ridiculous episode we did on Ed Kelly. Yeah, that one episode is just keeping it afloat. It's holding us all up. Let's do one last, I mean, I wasn't going to phrase it this way, but as Shai put it,

if we really want to suck our own genitals, top 1% of all bus sprout podcast. It's pretty good. That's pretty decent. That's not bad. This is pretty damn good. That's, you know what? Hey, nice job, gentlemen. Nice job, shy.

And lady. Yep, gentlemen and lady. Literally the 1%. Oh, dear. Oh, no. We're going to do something a little bit different. And I have written a thing. I think Bricky has an idea as to what we're doing,

but I know that you, D.K., do not, as is tradition. As is tradition. It's my job to come in here ignorant, and that is indeed my speciality. you play it really well because we all know that really there's a brain back there we all know it sure sure buddy okay yeah okay what's the episode on dude okay so i have a kind of quote for you it's more of a set up right it's not something you'll find in any of the books because i wrote it earlier today but this will give you an idea as to what we're doing so within the Imperium of Man, buried beneath the surface of terror in vast data archives,

a scribe stumbles down an aisle searching for a record not accessed for centuries. He grabs a tome from one of the analog stacks, flicking through the pages as he desperately looks for information vital to something that he is not important enough to know the details of. He knows what to search for, and he knows that this tome should contain the knowledge that he's been sent to collect, and yet. Clutching the ancient book, thousands of pages long, he rushes back to his supervisor, his original intent forgotten in his panic and excitement. For 30 long years he has been the designated

scribe for stack 4942B, sections 13 to 72. For 30 long years he has never been surprised until now. When his supervisor sees the words inscribed on the sacred pages, her face pales, For information of this importance to be forgotten, lost within the stacks under her authority, she will most likely be a server tour before the week is done. If she's lucky, she will simply be executed. Still, she sends the time to her supervisor, knowing that it will pass from one pair of hands to another until it finally reaches someone with sufficient authority

to make its contents known to those of the highest standing, who will be glad to receive, such momentous news. This time, supposed to contain the yearly output of ammunition for various bolt weapons from a now-destroyed hive world, contains instead something much more valuable. The history and profile of an otherwise unknown brotherhood of Astartes. While they were once lost to imperial records, forgotten by the Administratum, an entire chapter of space marines has just been uncovered.

So, my question is, what are they called? Where are they from? Where did their gene seed come from? What are their tactics? Go. Oh. You're just putting it on a spot like that, huh? Are we doing this as a way to how quickly on the spot can be mixed thing up?

You can't have nailed it. You two are going to create a space marine chapter from scratch. From scratch? From scratch. You need to decide. Who they are, where they came from, what gene seed they came from, what their tactics are, what their home world is, all of it. Okay, okay. All right, so let's see what we got here.

Brand, okay, new notes. Space Marine. New notes. Space Marine. So this is a space marine chapter, naturally. Yes, it will be a chapter. We're doing loyalist. We're not going to stray into traitor or, like, soul drinker's star.

Renegade, kind of loyal but not loyal. That might be something to explore in the future, but for this anniversary episode, it is a case of making a loyalist space marine chapter. So I guess one of the first things you could focus on is do you feel like creating a chapter that is codex or non-codex, for instance? Because that could inform things like the name, which, funnily enough, I was going to link that exact same page shy,

but what are you feeling? Are you feeling like by the book? Are you thinking something a little more interesting, extravagant, kind of unique? Extravagant and unique, clearly. So am I not allowed to make a chaos war band? Next time. Ah, that'll be the five-year anniversary, Bricky. Damn, okay.

That's five-year. Am I allowed to base it off of a pre-existing, custom chapter I'm trying to make currently, or do you want something straight up from like zero? I would say, given it's the two of you, I would say do something new, because that way, D.K. will get equal input into the creation of this law. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. I mean, an orthodox is always more fun naturally, but like, I can't tell because I don't want us to fall into. to the two separate rabbit holes of custom space marine chapters, which is they're so secret and no one ever knows about them. And they've never lost a single battle, which is like your local game store dude who brings a medalist to the first game type asshole. And then you've got the other guys which are like, they actually care about humans and are totally good and neat. So, yeah, I'm trying not to fall into those two main rabbit hole issues. That's fair. I mean, when it comes to, like, Codex compliance, it could just be having, you know,

having more vehicles than a chapter normally does one way or another. It could be having a focus on lightning assaults, which means more assault marines than you would typically feel. It doesn't have to be, like, really esoteric and out there. It can kind of fall into the idea of, like, what. chapter, not more chapter, but like what tactics does the chapter favor, that kind of thing. Oh, do

I need to answer the COS-C compliant question immediately? Oh no, I think they want us to do it on the spot sort of like, we're going to build step by step so you can kind of talk out what you think is. I was going to say non-codex so we can do like freaky weird shit, right, and be unique and original and stuff

like that because codex compliance seems a little too stuffy, a little too, dare I say a little too blueberry, you know. Oh, I was, I may have been listening to the episode you did with Luton and Charlie earlier. So it's funny to immediately go from getting to you, talking about how you don't like ultramarines too. We're not doing blueberries. I had to be honest. The continuity is fantastic, that was great.

Hey, like I said, I'm softening up to the blueberries. I'm liking them more and more as I learn more and more. Like, they're, you know, I'm getting better. It's fair. It's fair. They need rehabilitation after years of abuse. Oh, absolutely. They, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you're going non-codex compliant. Non-codex compliant. If you're going non-codex compliant, what about like the, I feel like the origins should come before the chapter name.

True. The chapter name will have to be based on, like, where did the gene seed come from? maybe what home world or, I mean, is there even a home world or is it fleet based? Maybe gene seed is the way to go next. Decide where you get your special source from. Okay. Does the gene seed require it to be a loyalist primark? I was about to ask the same damn thing.

Can we do like a, it's like, oh yeah, we're the gene seeds from Perciaro, but like, oh, yeah, we're still loyalist. my gut feeling is oh actually that leads to a different question are you going pure primaris or are you going first born and then involved in the kind of upgrade to primaris because that might have a bearing on that we know that call is a bit cheeky he does things that you maybe shouldn't do so if you wanted to incorporate primaris and maybe have a primaris founding then maybe that's a way you could pick something outside of the usual kind of guaranteed boxes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was thinking, I was thinking, like, I was going to do a combination. I was going to do like a generally firstborn, but like most have already moved on in primaries, but there are some firstborn still kind of sticking around, you know, like, but, but I don't know,

I'm thinking like, like, like, like blood angels, you know, kind of like, hey, there's a lot of people going over, they're crossing the Rubicon, but they're not all there yet, some of the old death company are still around. etc. I do I do like Blood Angels Thoughts

Thoughts? Thoughts? Yeah, blood So we're going to be tampering with the the red thirst And the black rage

You might You might have issues with that Maybe there's something That the chapter has done To combat that That would be up to you But it's a good starting point I do like the idea

That they've got like some weird heraldry and like they wear like a bunch of like weird uh crosses and stuff because they're trying to fight their own jean seed a little bit and they're trying to like hold back um the thirst and they're like oh yeah if we wear like crosses and all this like heraldry we can we can stop the the you know they've got like little magical artifacts and stuff that's fun like incorporating stuff from like the from like the death company into almost like treating it as a barrier against what they're afraid will like overtake them in battle. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And if, and if their little heraldry gets broken, they just, it just overtakes them because they've been holding it back so long. That's fun.

Bricky? I was thinking, can I please do a Alpharius Omagon gene seed? It's straight into, okay. We're not doing chaos, but. No, no, no, no, I promise this is a loyalist chapter, full stop, but I would like it to be Alferius Omega Gene Seed. I want it to be Alpha Legion gene seed. We might, we might have to either diverge or do a series of compromises here. Oh, actually, shy, Alpha Leyen Seed.

But on record is Blood Angels. So the Alpha Legion gene seed is what their gene seed is. What is in the Imperial record, I could give a flying fuck. It could be whatever it wants to be. They could say it's Dorn. I don't care. But I want the Gen Cid to be Alpha Legion. That could lead into a very fun thing where the chapters a whole is concerned that they would fall to the Black Rage and the Red Thirst.

And so they have all this heraldry in order to fight that without ever knowing that actually they were never at risk from it in the first place. So if something does happen to that heraldry and they, They do absolutely lose it. It's not because of a flaw in the gene seed. It's not because of any issues with blood angels. It's because they psyched themselves out and they don't know. Wait a minute. Hold the phone.

I thought we were both, me and D.K. We were doing two separate chapters. This is just a full-on adric joint one. That's no fun. I wanted my own thing. And D.K. could have his own thing. Thank you. He did not understand the assignment.

I was presented. You said you both. Therefore, it was assumed to be double. Oh, wow. When I said you both, I meant you both as in collectively as opposed to. I don't want to.

I understood that. I was, I was going with that. I understood the prompt. I refused to, I wish to be assigned to a new unit. Well, this is,

this is the empire. This is the Imperium. So your new unit is a servitor factory. Do you, do you want to start over? Do you have different? No, no, no. But, blood angels are cool.

we can just axe the whole Alpha Legion thing. We can ask the whole Alpha Legion thing. It's not my fault. This wasn't explained well enough. You're saying that as though the idea of an entire chapter that thinks they're under risk of a severe gene seed flaw who actively work against it only Fritzwick not exist in the first place and have them still fall to it isn't cool.

I was going to say, that's a dope concept, actually. I think we should keep that. Seriously, the idea of not being affected by, the black rage or the red thirst, but you 100% believe you are because everything about your chapter says we are descended from this chapter that has this issue. But it's never been an issue at all. Yeah. Yeah, like super paranoid and you go to all these lengths to make sure it doesn't happen. Yeah, like they're wearing like these big rosaries and crosses. They've got more little what are the, what are the scroll things called? The seals. What are those called?

Geo Seals. Yeah, they've got way more of those. All right. Fair point. This is fine. I'm keeping my alpha-legion idea for my own thing. But I do like the idea that their genie is wrong. Do we want to do alpha-legion or do we want to do like, I got a different idea? What if we make it ultramarine genes see?

And in order for them, hold on, and in order for them to properly, because they're like Gilliman boys, in order to stave off the black race they don't have, they have like spreadsheets. and tons of like very methodical specific logistics to be like we have a shipment of 40,000 more purity seals arriving tomorrow and then from there we'll make sure we have the next cargo freighter of ointments to make sure that we don't turn crazy. I like them being Alva Legion better a little bit. I think the meticulous planning of trying to keep a black rage at bay is cool

but I also kind of really love the idea of they never had it. they're actually Alpha Legion, but they're still just hyper paranoid about it. All right, fine. It would also, as I points out, that would kind of work with Alpha Legion as well being paranoid about it and being incapable of trusting, almost like incapable of trusting their own interpretation of what's happening is kind of, it's the sillier end of Alpha Legion, but they did have a short story where they invaded one of their own Starfort. so like it it kind of fits it does still kind of fit

all right all right fair point we'll roll from that one so we so we've got a cool basis going what's what's next on the list of things that our chapter needs uh that's their gene seed so where are they based that's the next question hmm I'd say that we should not make them a fleet because if they are a fleet as cool as fleet base chapters are they are because of their general fear of black rage they don't want to be in a confined space

when they go loco and like tear through the ship so they they mainly are a planetary chapter and they they are big and like into doing various types of um of like uh fortress monasteries yeah i was going to say a planet that's just covered in like chapels and places of worship where they think they can just um pray hard enough and make sure that the the black rage doesn't get them. Lots of, lots of, lots of big, lots of big, lots of titan cathedrals rolling around. Lots of, lots of, lots of fortress monasteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a chapel planet.

So, like, focusing on, like, prayer and meditation as a way to stave off the things that they don't actually suffer from. Yeah, and, like, space. Like, I imagine that the planet they're on is, is very, like, open. I imagine it's very, like, uh, I imagine it's very, like, uh, not like an agro world or anything like that, but very, um, like large plains. Uh, but, you know, very, uh, planes is in like just very like deserty, empty for the most part, but in the sense of like, they use that as a way to like meditate.

They, they walk between hive worlds or something as like a clear the mind type thing. Oh, oh, shy said, uh, that's a shrine world. If you want a lot of chapels, it's a shrine world. Sure. I can imagine it being like, like, like, maybe like shrine hives. cities. Yeah. Like,

like I still, I think the idea of like the, the meditation of walking to like the city to the other city is kind of a cool way. What's, um, what's the, the, the Nietzsche quote is it a,

all truly great thoughts are conceived while walking. Kind of like that, but more religious. Oh, okay. I like that. I like that. Almost make like,

almost make like pilgrimages a big part of it. So. Oh, yeah, pilgrimage from one place to another. Mm-hmm. I like it. Ooh.

We can actually actually. actually add that to the um to the initiate uh upbringing where like because like the space wolf they throw you out on the coal and they say walk idiot um in this one you you make your pilgrimage to each level of shrine world and there's like five of them and you like scale up with time oh i like that is it a hot desert or ice desert bricky let's make it tidily locked oh tidily locked tidily locked means that the planet rotates, but it rotates at the exact same rate that it rotates around the sun. So one side of the planet is pure light and the other side of the planet is pure dark.

So you can have hot desert on one side and ice desert on the other. It's the same as the Mordian Iron Guards planet. Oh, let's go. I didn't know that was the thing you could do. Yeah, I mean, let's say, tidily locked world. And then as an initiate, you got a, it's the moon IRL. I guess that's true, isn't it? I guess, yeah, that's fair.

I've never heard someone proclaim, let's make it tidily locked in a more excited voice. I'm 100% here for it. Love it. And then you've got to do pilgrimages on both sides to, like, prove that you really like, you can control it, you're good with it, you got to go through the ice deserts,

you got to go through the fire desert. Ooh, I like the type. That's really cool. That's a really cool idea. Yeah, yeah. That's really good. You have to go through fire and ice. Oh, I love that. I love it. I love it. Oh, we can, okay, well, let's go to the next one before I think of my next idea.

Continue. Okay, okay, okay. So we got the name now, right? Also, does our planet need a name? Yeah, I mean, name the planet, definitely. It's a massive part of what makes the chapter what it is. You know, if they're, if part of the initiate program is initiates having to make, pilgrimage is both on the desert side and the like, well, I guess, Arctic tundra side, then, yeah,

the planet is a massive impact on how they view things. So, yeah. I mean, the planet literally sounds like heaven and hell, because you've got the cold, you've got the cold heaven and you've got the fiery hell. A planet called heaven and hell is like metal as hell. I just like that as a name, But it's again, so I'll live to you, but I don't know why. Heaven and Hell is a planet name just sounds hardcore. I don't know why. I throw that out there because it seems 40K-pilled, but go ahead, Bricky. It's, for me, it's two Christianity Catholic-pilled.

Fair, because they often will, like, jokingly refer to Heaven and Hell in the past in, like, 30K books. So I feel like literally calling it Heaven and Hell might be a little bit too not enough for the setting. Okay, okay. I think for 40K, we need it to be a bit more. Because hell is like the Imperian, the warp, etc. So I feel like it needs a bit of like faux Latin for exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what, I will have a quick look at Google languages and get some faux Latin on the go and maybe present a couple of options whilst you think about what's called a chapter.

Go on a Latin route probably would be a good idea to give it more of a 40K fee. I mean, what was the name of the two, Strider Rowl, those were the two nighthouses on that one world in the Sassanorm Kingmaker? I'm kind of wondering if you can, you can mix the two of those, for example. Like some kind of like,

yeah, like Inferrum is a pretty good name, but I'm wondering if you can add a word to it. Like Inferum is the bright side. And then like, what's the dark side? Yeah, because the dark side isn't really a, heavenly place because it's just as awful as the other side, just in a different way. What is, uh, dark in Latin?

I was just about it. I finally, I can say the same thing shy. There's, there's Obscureum, uh, Caligo, Tenebrae, uh, there's Knox, umbra. Umbra Inferrum. Hey, I'm down. I'm down.

It sounds pretty good. Isn't that just like dark hell in Latin? Yeah, pretty much. Let's not forget, let's not forget Ferris Manus. We need to be on the nose. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, we've got Iron Hand,

the leader of the Iron Hands, whose flagship was the Iron or whatever. The Fist of Iron. Yeah, the fist of iron. There's no subtlety here. Umbra and Furnum is pretty fucking. too. I got to be,

that's so metal. Should we do because it's too many M's there? Should we do Umbra in Furnis? Yeah, actually, to be fair, it's never actual proper Latin. It's like faux Latin.

It's just, it kind of sounds like Latin, but it isn't really. So Umbra Infernes would absolutely work. You know, it's a lot of M. Oh, yeah,

it is, but it kind of rolls off the tongue better. Umbra Inferum versus Umbra in Furnis. doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as with all the M's. I feel like Umbra and Furnum rolls off worse because there's too many M's in Umbra and Furness. I think that's how you play it's like Umbra in Furness, like you could quick. I don't know, maybe just me.

Yeah, I guess it depends on how you pronounce it. I have to admit that the start and the end feels weird for me. But like, as I say, it's up to you to. This is your chapter, your world. I'll go with Umbra and Furnas. It's a cool name. We'll go with it. I think it's one of those things where it's like a side grade.

They both sound really cool. Yeah, they both sound good anyway. So it's like, you know, if two people think it sounds better with the us, hey, I'm all for suss. Okay. It's going to let it roll. I'm giving you the name, right? Let's go. All right.

So chapter name. Now we've got to come with a name for this thing. I already have one. Oh, shit. Okay. field tea of equinox Jesus I'll be honest

I like that That's a lot more high brow than I was expecting I'm not gonna love Let's see Equinox You know The plus the minus

The good The delight the dark You know And then you go saintly So fealty And I was thinking for a while Like sometimes They always call the chapter

Like the blood of something I think But there are some There just Some kind of like pious names So the chapter is just fealty of equinox or something like that I kind of like it because like

as a chapter they're looking to keep their equilibrium because they don't want to shift into like nonsensical rage so they just want to stay even keeled they don't want to go too crazy with anything because then they'll fall into a rage and I think that fits I love how hard we are pushing this chapter despite the entire fact that the whole chapter

is based on like a lie they don't actually have the black rage and yet every bit of our lore is based around them stating off the black rage. It's so peak Warhammer. They're so hardcore believe it. So they have to be like this, right? Because they are so 100% sure that they,

not only do they have the black rage, can we also make them assume that they have like a worse black rage? Like they're just like, they are so sure that when it happens, it's so much worse and they go so much more savage. and it's just like, oh my God, we can't let this happen. I mean, that actually sounds really cool. Like, the idea that they are so kind of, they're so caught up in it

that they have inflated incorrect reports of it happening to the extent they are terrified, like, oh, if we lose one Marine to this, he could potentially take out like a bunch of his squad. That's how bad it is. It's completely unmanageable whilst also being just not something they should ever have to worry about.

I like it. I like it. So Shai does have her own idea. She was thinking, since Blood Angels, throwing Angel in the name, and doing something like the Angel Dualis, two sides,

two combinations, two primarks, etc. I like that one too, though I wonder, I wonder how hard we want to push the equilibrium type thing. of like making it so that they're really like making sure that both sides of their brain are being used properly.

Yeah. Something that I will say, there is a lot of, when it comes to space marine chapters, you've got this weird mix of almost chapters that are kind of, they're not direct. I'm trying to think of the right word, but you've got some chapters like the flesh terrors. you don't need an imagination to work out what they do, right? Same thing with... It's in the name. It's baked in the... It's literally in the name.

Yeah. But when it comes to a lot of the Blood Angels successes, there's a lot of stuff that is literally just like the Angels of or the Something Angels. Having something that's not specifically angel-based adds a layer of separation and just makes it a little bit more interesting than kind of, it's a blood angel successor that's got angel in the name, which a lot of them have, but at the same time it makes sense to not have that in there in the context of, you know, a different gene seed,

a different type of environment that they're brought up in. I don't know. I have to admit, I personally always lean towards things that are a little bit different to the normal naming conventions of stuff. But then again, that also makes them stand out really heavily. compared to, you know, an angel successor having the word angel in there. Also, you know, Shai said she wasn't going to be a part of it. So, I'm sticking. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. So, you know, my idea. My idea. The field T of equilibrium. No, of equinox. And I kind of like the idea. I, I will say the, the, I will say the. Angel Duolus does sound really cool, but I also kind of like the idea that on some level,

like, our little chapter resents themselves for even being blood angels because they are so scared of the black rage that they kind of like, maybe they don't love the blood angels and all of the blood angel, like imagery as much as anybody else, as much as everybody else wanting to be an angel, they're just like, that's not. Because on, like on some level, they've got to hate the fact that they're blood angels because they're so scared of themselves, right? I don't know. Resentment of the father to be.

I like, maybe like slight resentment. Like I can imagine maybe their shrine world does not consist of as many statues of sanguineous. Yeah, yeah. As opposed to something else, like a little bit more emperor-based. Yeah, more emperor or less sanguinius. Yeah, yeah. Okay, what's next? So we got the name, a lot stuff.

Got the planet name. What was next on the list? So let's talk tactics So that we know they're not a Codex compliant chapter So does that reflect in how they approach battle Do they just Is everyone on an assault marine And they just go all in

Are they all long range? Do they prefer kind of more disrupting supply lines Like what do they tend to do when they approach fights? So I was thinking if So if we're doing the equilibrium thing I was thinking of a combination, but I was also thinking their overwhelming fear of hurting themselves

means they'll move away from melee. Absolutely. I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering if we can make them far more, like, ranged combat, but also kind of push it a little Imperial Fisty and do a crap load of like orbital strikes. Oh, sure. That makes sense.

Lots of like payloads, lots of long range. It's like probably an emphasis on just strong, you know, long range bolt fire, artillery, and then like, you know, their ships in orbit. And I would imagine they are shockingly good at having like camo snipers that stay a little hidden because they do have that Alpha Legion thing, right? So they should be pretty good at being a little stealthy and a little Heidi and a little, right? Because the Alpha Legion stuff's got to come out a little bit for their tactics. So maybe they're just, oh, hey, when we want to be, we can be really sly. We're really good at stealth, infiltration things if we need to get great. Ooh, perhaps that can be a part of their kind of piety.

The idea of being like a sniper or even designating an area for a orbital strike is in its own sense a form of meditation. You know, you, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, you, you, you sit there, like, the squad of snipers and stuff, and you're there kind of scoping out the, the enemy. And that there, like, the three days you might need to just be there gathering data and, like, recon, that in its own right is a, that's the meditation. Ah, kind of thing, right? Like, like, there is, yes. There is strength in focus. Oh, I like that.

That's pretty cool. Okay. just a just a random question their reliance on long range ordnance sniping and engaging the enemy from afar is that a point of pride or is that a point of shame given that the blood angels traditionally get a bit more

up close and they are ostensibly a successor chapter of the blood angels I mean if we're going for equilibrium it's got to be a little of both right that's a good to balance each other out like they're very prideful of the fact that they're like

really good snipers and they do the meditation but right do we do we consider them to be a bit more I feel like they would be prideful

I feel like this would be a thing they would be very happy to to like I don't just just generally feel good about like yeah this this puts us above the other because a lot of space marine chapters have a pride problem.

Sure. And then for them, it's more on the lines of, hey, we are not going to solely our names because we run into battle as glorious melee and act like it's some fancy special thing. Instead,

this is like our point of pride. Yeah. I was kind of thinking the same thing you were shy, like we're good at this, but should we be doing this? Are we making dad happy? Is this what the emperor really wants for us? Right. And that's part of like their little meditation as they're waiting for their sniper target, right?

Maybe. So they got to like balance the two halves a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with that. I'm good with that. A general, but general like ordinance sniping, long range artillery, like a large amount of focus on scoping out a target for a while to know exactly where like bunkers are, where defensive points are. So when they actually do attack, all of their guns know exactly where to shoot in the first volley. And then they know where they run away to, which is where the guns will fire in its second volley. And then, you know, orbital striking the low level bunkers to stop them from going there,

which means that they'll get signed up. Just like long, meticulous. Oh, yeah, meticulous planning, meticulous sniping. Yeah, definitely. Gotta be the way they operate. Perfect. Okay. All right.

Nice. So we got the tactics. Do you have a color scheme in mind? Am I crazy to think the left half of them is black and the right half of them is white? Is that too easy? Hmm. Maybe a little bit. I almost, I don't know if I would, well, I'm wondering how important the color scheme is and how, like, covered in, like, stuff we want them, right?

Because they're so hyper paranoid, they're going to be, like, covered in seals and stuff. like does the color matter I would imagine they wouldn't want to be like super red the color of paper because of all the parchments and purity seals they look like they've been wrapped in toilet roll from head to foot of just script and nothing else script and metal and

I don't know man I mean like I'm thinking if we're doing the one side to the other side yeah if there should be you know and if we're doing like the idea of like the equilibrium it probably should be a split color scheme i i mean my my first thought was just like the half white half uh half black but i i don't know what would be the the easier one i don't know if there's a way we could like burn it up in a sense i was thinking kind of like in the in the secret level of starty's animation they when they were walking to the

corrupted zone all their purity seals i kind of burned off um they are very practical so one would think maybe they'd be more camo style, that's true. But I don't want to make them... Especially with the sniping, but yeah, like, it feels like they should have, like, a color scheme. Yeah, I mean, it's tough, though, because, like, obviously your camouflage is related to your environment, and there's too many environments,

whether it's urban or desert or forest. So I... Let's hope their camo cloaks just kind of do enough for them. I was literally thinking of Space Marine 2 and the way the sniper has the literal camo cloak. and it just kind of fits every situation, right? And you just hope that you've got, you know, you've got the yellow digital camo for like the desert,

the green digital camo for a forest and so on and so forth. And just hopefully they have good cloaks for that, right? Do you think we should do the Dark Angels thing where we give them like hoods as like a sign of one, not only just stealth, but like maybe like shame, like a general like you keep your head, your head down and covered to, to not allow like temptations of the mind.

It's a good move for like piety. Like it kind of brings to mind the idea of monks wearing the robes with the hoods up and processions and stuff. So I mean that that it sounds kind of cool. Something you could do as well is like you can have a split colour scheme without going 50-50. So like having a majority armour scheme but like one arm being a different colour

is also an option. I've got an idea. Hit us with the idea, Bricky. Okay, so in some of these old successor chapters that Shai posted, they are the old school Dark Angels ones where they have the hood and like the big robe in tabern right across their chest and waist. What if we color them black, classic black color scheme, simple, we can use the equilibrium as like a silver in terms for their armor trim, but their robes,

They all wear the same robes. The hood and the robes on the front. But instead of coloring the robes white or something, the robes are actually made of parchment. And robes themselves are covered in scripture. Almost like they're wearing Erebus's face in a way. Oh, that's great. We were thinking of how to make them as pious as possible. Like what if the robe itself is made of scripture?

Oh, my God. They've got script. scripture robes? That's brilliant. What if when the robe gets damaged in combat is the requirement of the space marine themselves to fix it instead of a surf because they are plugging holes in their piety, in their faith, as they reform themselves back into a more devout space marine? Oh, that's so good. Try, Kyrioth thoughts. Oh, we're going with that.

I don't care what either of them think. We're going with that. But firstly, RIP, to anyone who's listening to this and going, I'm going to make this chapter and paint it myself because but along with that, I actually really like that. That's a really cool idea. That's really fun.

I mean, if we want to do it a little bit more, we can make like sergeants are the ones with the tabards and stuff like that. And the rest of them just have like the black. with the silver and then like like kind of raven guard looking if I'm being honest and like some stuff going on but um that was the higher the idea the higher rank you get the more parchment and the more scripture you are entitled to but at the same time the more you have to work to maintain it that kind of thing yeah yeah because because you are uh you know you're a higher rank type thing yeah exactly basically like that shy and then you can add the hood if you wanted to

And as you go up, you just get like the tabberd that goes across your waist. Oh, that's good. That's good. Do we want to give part of them white as well? I kind of like the idea of the black armor within like one of the trim, like silver or whatever color it is. But I do kind of think the idea of like one shoulder pad being white or like a leg being white just to add a little bit more color to it all. I was going to say, have we come up with a logo for them? Because that could be like a big white spot on their armor too

without just having to make one big white piece of armor. Like you can just have like their huge logo being like that white break up a color. I mean, you could have the logo be white. You could have it so that say like an arm and a shoulder pad of white with a black logo on it. There's ways to break it up. Like just individual squad markings, for instance, could be in white. You could do it that way. So you could have like one shoulder pad depending on tactical or one knee pad or there's ways to get it in there.

I was thinking, I was kind of thinking that their, what is it? Somehow like their logo would maybe be something related to like a general faith type thing. maybe like their planet something something kind of like I don't know like I'm thinking in a way like these things

did I just epic embed fail you sure did but I'll click the link that's that's that's not bad kind of like it's actually kind of fun yeah like I think of it more the planet or the hands can be like a different color and then like the hands can be wrapped

or they can be skeleton hands you know with like like a purity seals around them or something. I don't know. It's a little complicated. I don't want to go too hard. I don't want to lamenters this. But I don't know.

Just some general thoughts like that. Oh, the skeleton hands around the planet is a good vibe, though. I like that quite a bit. Because that sort of gives the fealty. That sort of gives the meditation. That sort of gives that, not bad, not bad. Okay. Blood angels love their chalises and Alf Legion love snakes.

But what if snake around a chalice? but we haven't done much snake stuff though it's true it feels like if we were just doing like straight like blood angels that knew they were alpha legion that would work right I almost feel like that's maybe a little too on the nose right which

it's like infested with snakes you get through the bit that isn't frozen being bitten by snakes then you go to the bit that's frozen and it turns out there's still snakes that's just like really

Tundra snakes I'd like to find a way to mix it a bit with the piety I don't know if maybe the snake could be like could we make the snake's head be like the wax of the purity seal and then the body like it's like a purity seal

that coils like a snake maybe that kind of combination Oh that sounds fun okay Okay. You can still have the snake motif, but you mix it in somehow. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to attempt to draw that because I have no talent or skill.

But. Yeah, you do the cross with the snake. That is very sort of like. I am genuinely wearing that, literally now. I have it on me. Physically, I'm holding that exact picture that Shai put in, so that's pretty funny. Okay. But, yeah, I mean, like, oh.

That is a sick logo with that really sort of like, you say it's a Catholic cross? Yeah, yeah. Right? I mean, I, I do like Celtic aspirations, I think is the. I do kind of like that cross, though. But this is the thing. The world you're on, you've separated it into two distinct like biomes

because it's tidily locked. but you haven't talked about like maybe it's a shrine world but you haven't talked about what's on it so it could be literally famous for oh dear god there's so many types of snake here it's awful there's so many snakes you can't step out your front door without being bitten by three types of snake so it could be a thing i guess the question is how hard do we want to lean into like their alpha legion side right yeah i can't quite tell, like, how, I feel like the logo having a snake on it is, is too much because the Alpha Legion part takes almost no actual use in any of their lore or area. It's, it's just like,

so far when it comes to Alpha Legion, the only thing we've done with it is say that's what they actually are. Yeah, and it's come out with like their tactics a little bit with their sniping and maybe their ability to camo well, right? Yeah, but I, I, would like, I really, I think the idea of the snakes on the planet and stuff, it's a pretty cool idea. But I'm not sure if I, if I wanted to be so, uh, baked into the logo. Like, the logo is such a huge part, right? Like, it's the logo.

Um, hmm. I feel, I, I feel like the equilibrium stuff is, is definitely the thing we've done the most of. It's like equilibrium and piety. Those are the two main, right? Yeah. Um, are there, like, two separate aspects of faith that we could, like, mix together? together in a way. Ooh, that's not a bad idea.

Take the imperial symbol, give it three heads as a hydro reference. Like an Aquila with three heads. And they've accidentally sort of made an homage to their actual Alpha Legion heritage. What about like a circle? So we do like a circle.

And the circle is black or white, whatever is the opposite color of the shoulder pad. And then in the circle is a circle is a trio that's like a circle trio of maybe the head of the aquila and then we can like slap a purity seal on the outside Wait so explain explain the logo to me again It's a it's a circle with like a three-headed aquila on the inside

And purity seal Shit um this is where I wish I was an artist Circle me too I think like like a circle logo like generally it's like a blank ass circle circle Then you take the head of the aquila, but instead of them facing left and right, you have one like facing up, one facing to the bottom right, and one facing to the bottom left. So it's like a triad. Okay.

And then the parchment underneath that. That or you can do something kind of like, like holy, kind of like this or like some weird like outside kind of effect. But that would be tough for the logo. So maybe like the part, oh, maybe the parchment like like wraps around the circle. like it's almost like a ribbon. Yeah, maybe the circle is just parchment. I think I might get a little bit messy with the visual on the backdrop of the eagles.

Okay, okay. Circle wrapped in ribbon. I mean, that beats any idea I've got. That's for sure. Well, what about like this? Like this, but it's parchment. Ooh, okay. That's pretty good.

Okay, that's pretty good. That's good. I like that. And then maybe we have the three heads of the eagle. Or, I mean, if it's not the three heads, the eagle alone might be enough. But it's just the opposite color of whatever the circle is. So if like the shoulder pad's black and the circle is white, then the icon is black again on the inside. For the equal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do kind of like the idea that oopsie, we made a hydra. And oopsie were actually out of Legion. I like the kind of oopsie daisy where they accidentally outed themselves. Can we make each eagle head slightly different? Like, you know that image of the three is a king-go... The king-gadora meme, whereas you've got the two angry ones and then one derpy idiot. I was thinking like one eagle is like stern and facing like strongly.

And then the other eagle is like eyes closed, head down. So like solid reflection. and the third one is like mouth open angry for like fire or something yeah for like battle I like that I like the one head pointing upward almost in like yeah I like it yeah like like what is it balance of humus kind of thing it's almost like an equilibrium I'm wondering if we should only do two though because like with the equilibrium everything is like two halves it's true but I really like the idea of them accidentally making a hydro reference I really, really like that.

I really like the one thing that they don't worry about equilibrium for. The one thing is like, oh yeah, we want this logo to be three heads instead of two. And it's like, whoops. It could also be a thing of you've got like the left head and the right head are extreme calm or extreme anger. And the chapter is inhabiting the center head, which is the perfect balance between the two. The one that's just posted, yeah. Just posted is perfect. for that.

That one is, that one is killer. Yep. Yep. And it's, oh, that's, yeah,

that's perfect. Okay, let's, let's, let's just copy that for the heads, and then we can just find a way to,

to make it much more, uh, relaxed in terms of like the 2D art. Yeah, you know? Yeah. Okay. Oh,

oh, that's good. That's a good image shot. Let's go. So as it stands, as it stands, we have, uh, where has it gone?

There we go. Okay, so we've got a non-codex compliant chapter. The heraldry is a circle with three-headed aquila with parchment wrapped around it. You have Alpha Legion gene seed, but it's Blood Angels gene seed on record. The colour scheme is black armour with silver trim, hooded robes of parchment covered in scripture, depending on the rank. But if those robes are damaged, they must be repaired by the Space Marine Waringdom. and higher rank equals, like, more robes, effectively.

They're a planetary chapter. They are heavily focused on prayer and pilgrimages. That is reflected in their initiate program, where they have to make a pilgrimage through essentially, like, fire and ice. So either side of the planet. The planet... Let's also add snakes and snakes. Fire and snakes.

and snakes. Let's do it so it's like the desert planet part has snakes and all those kinds of things. And then yeah. The ice part of got frost worms. That that or like chameleonized ones, whether the dark

side like the snakes are just like just kind of blended with their environment and then they just pop out. Oh, that's pretty cool. You need to deal with chameleon beasts. We need those 14 year old kids to die in droves, okay? They need to die in droves.

That's the point of space marines. That's the point of recruitment. It's extremely important. It's a calling. Only the worthy ones make it. Also, the idea of needing to deal with like chameleon, whatever is as a sniper-based faction. I do like that a lot.

I like that. Oh, hey, maybe that's part of the initiation is that they need to look from afar and learn how the snakes move. because that is like the same way you deal with an enemy. How do they move? Yep.

And at some point you got to deal with an invisible enemy and you got to figure out what's different. Is the light bending a little different around them? You got to know. Yeah, yeah. Serpentine, serpentine. Serpentine movements. The planet is Umbra Infernes,

which is a desert world technically, but it's also tidily locked. So one half is perpetually hearted, the other half is practically cold, and it's a shrine world, so you've got a bunch of temples and churches all over the place. Tactics, long-range ordnance, orbital strikes and sniping. These are a form of meditation and a point of pride for the chapter, and the chapter name is the fealty of equinox. So, at this point, are there any flaws in the gene seed, and we'll approach these one at a time. And who are the heroes of the chapter? Who are the ones that are like written down who are

remembered in history as being properly heroic figures within the chapter's history? Okay, they all have to look a little similar. We got to do the Alphal Legion thing with that. Of course, right. So because their gene scene is a little, you know, kooky crazy. And it's actually Alpha Legion gene seed, not Blood Angel. So that would be the, you know, thing. Yeah, so they do look all decently similar to one another. I'm wondering, like, are they all bald like Alpha Legion? Because that's very against the

flowing beautiful locks of hair that the blood angels have. It's very against it, yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Maybe they feel like that's like a sign of fealty and... They always shave. even though their hair will like never really grow it'll grow slowly they shave all the time because if they look too much like their blood angel counterparts it might get the black rage I mean sure

they just ritualistically shave all the time even if they don't have to you because they think it's growing in sure they are extremely smooth I mean it fits with them being just hyper paranoid of anything sure they're extremely extremely smooth.

They are extremely smooth. They are extremely smooth. You wouldn't believe how smooth they are. Bald. I wonder if, okay, so that's that. What about if they do something kind of white scurry, where if they take a battle of some kind,

instead of like rubbing the dirt of the planet in the scar, like the white scars do, they, after the scar is like somewhat healed, they tattoo over it small bits of scripture to like have like the holy kind of way to heal the wounds from the beyond or or even thanking the emperor for like testing them by hurting them, but instead like, hey, survived. I survived, yes. Thank you for letting me live from this wound. Holy scripture tattoos over scars because thank you, God, Emperor, for letting me.

we live is quite a vibe for 40K and this faction. Can we also make it so that their chapter master just looks like Erebus? Because he's been scarred so much. His face is just covered in stuff. Well, I mean, that that's got to be what the higher ranks look like. They've got to be absolutely covered head to toe in these sort of scarification tattoos, right? Because that's why, you know? Hey, he just happens to look like Erebus, okay?

It's not actually word bearers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Arabist is bald. That's pretty much all you need. And it doesn't look like Arabis because it's holy scriptures from Tara and the emperor. It's not like chaos symbols or anything. That'd be crazy if they were like actually chaos. I really like the idea that their gene seed floor is that they don't really need to shave

because they're all going to go bald instantly anyway. But it's got nothing to do with their actual chapter flaws, which are that they are like super. religious. They are super keen on shaving constantly. They're super keen on tattooing over scars. They really want to make sure they don't have anyone fall

to the traditional blood angel issues, which are completely irrelevant to them. Nothing to do with them. It's not the Gen C that's the problem. It's not like the founding that was the problem. It's all like assumed

issues and nothing else. So should we make them a little bit like a little dark angely in that sense where they are Well, they use their Alpha Legion natural traits which involves being really good at keeping shit secret And general like not espionage, but you know, well, I mean, I guess it kind of is espionage But they did to make sure that nobody knows Like they're not showing any signs whatsoever of general weakness of their, you know, body and mind.

I mean, yeah, I would think so. I would think they would want to keep that shit pretty, pretty close to the chest, and they would want to keep everything pretty close to the chest. So yeah, it'd probably be pretty dark angel secretive, sure. Just like, kind of keep, and that's why,

maybe they don't, they don't speak to other chapters very much at all, and when they fight, they generally keep, they keep their distance. Of course. keep them far away their insular

yeah not only do they keep the enemy far at bay they also keep their allies far at bay too very insular very very careful in other people not seeing them too often they don't want them to see their perceived black rage infection and yeah that works but despite that they still like have the tides and everything

so they're not like particularly you know problematic so that they can be left alone they they go through all those rich because, well, we have to, and we have to give ties, and we have to do some communication otherwise, you know. I feel like inquisitors would, like, love them. Oh, absolutely.

They would go to their planet, they'd be like, those guys? No way, dude. Have you seen their planet? You know, there's no way. There's no way there's going to be an issue. They pay their ties and they're respectful and the whole thing. They love the emperor, too. They would never, they would never do anything bad to the emperor.

Look at, look, it's a shrine world, for God's sakes. Do you think that they would have like spies? Oh, absolutely. And I would imagine their spies would be absolutely incredible. Like with how much they keep everyone at a distance and how well they are at like camouflaging. And, and yeah, I would, yeah. You know what? We should, we should have it so that their, their homeworld, their fortress monastery has a suspiciously large amount of applicants that end up as interrogators and aspirants in the, you know,

ordo in the ordos. Like they have a suspiciously high amount of people going to the Scola progenium and then and then becoming acolytes of inquisitors just because they're like, we're very, you know, like this, we're making sure that we're dead. Like there's no way those guys would ever be a problem. No way. Of course not. There's nothing suspicious about them. What? Yeah.

When in reality, there is literally nothing wrong with that. Nothing. They're just, they're just, they're just alpha leach coded. That's, all right,

all right. Um, what are the things with our Kyriath? Oh, we needed champions too, right? Yeah, like chapter heroes,

champions, any notable librarians or, well, like actual chapter champions, chapter masters, anyone who was stood out as being like really, really exemplary

of the chapter's approaches to stuff. Let's say they specialize in the telepathy discipline for their psychers. I mean, most psychers can do a lot of it, but they specifically specialize in telepathy because that's just, you know, that's just the right psionic discipline, you know? Sure, sure, sure. Okay. Dominate, hallucination, invisibility, mental fortitude, terrify, puppet master, all those abilities. Those are like the ones. Definitely.

chapter master and heroes we should we should make a sniper character like there's not enough of those yeah karyoth what was the name if you remember this of the one like ultramarines named character that was like that would like drive a tank or you put me like a land raider and he would like get rules

that's a question um cronus is a cronis okay yeah sergeant cronis i think Let me just double check. I feel like they could require some kind of a chapter master of sorts, but also like a can be attached to a squad of incursors, like Fobo slash eliminators type character. Oh, nailed it.

So Antaro Cronus is a sergeant and the most gifted tank commander of the Ultramarine Space Marine chapter. Hell yeah, okay. All right, that works out then. And he's got to be absolutely draped. in that scripture robe, right? To the point where you can't even see his armor. Like, it almost looks like a full coverage robe of scriptures, right? His camo cloak is a scripture cloak.

Let's go. So that'll be our first guy. We have a sniper guy who gets attached to, like, eliminators or something like that. I have a feeling someone might make us an attachment for them. In fact, maybe I'll do it for a future episode, just because it would be fun to run. but we should have at least two name characters because most of them do,

except for you iron hands, ha-ha, and Ravengard. Actually, there's quite a few that don't have it. But we should have our classic case of our Phobos attached character and we should probably do a typical primaris attached character.

I would probably say we don't really need like a Terminator one or a Gravis one. Okay. So what would those be? What would that be? Should we have them be like a fleet captain? Like our captain of a ship?

Sure, because they're not just snipers. They're also specializing in orbital bombardments from afar. So yeah, there should be some sort of like renowned fleet captain that is like just done an obscene amount of successful orbital

bombardments on like planets or something, right? I could see that. I could see that. And it could be enjoyable if the two of them together have like a synergy. One of them like marks a target. The other one does more. I'm thinking immediately like, hey, you know, okay, the death strike missile launcher for Imperial Guard. You pinpoint a target on the map and everything within six inches of that target, the next turn takes a shitload of damage.

So you get one turn to move away. I'm thinking something more on the lines of like that guy can do that once per game. some kind of like bombardment with that ability but if you have the other guy it is increased to like nine inches instead of six. Stuff like that, you know? Nice little, because they work together so much

they're just a well-oiled machine, everything works a little better and yeah. Yeah, and then like you could do maybe some kind of like, hey, orbital feigning retreats. If they're both together, a sniper guy gets a once per game like move, shoot move. I don't know. I'm just thinking of stuff like that.

Given they are Alpha Legion successes at heart, are they brothers who went through the selection trials together? Yeah, why not? I like that. They worked really well together. One was the brute, one was the brains. Yeah, and they're literally twins, too, obviously. Not just brothers, twins. Okay, well, if they're twins, we need to give them, and we're going with the Equinox type thing, we need to give them

two like like one word names I'm thinking something like I was immediately thinking like some kind of like light and dark the light guy is the dude in the front lines the dark is the dude in the back I mean he's more in the shadows but it's so front loaded

it's not good so long dagger is too front loaded yeah that's a little too on the nose I love where you're going with that but yeah I was thinking like we already used the word umbra so we did we did um what other latin words we got ignis and knox is not bad do we want an alliteration uh i mean it doesn't have to right like we haven't really

gone too much into alliteration so far right i think i don't think it's necessary ignis and knox isn't too bad though they are they are doing um I mean, we haven't really done anything fire related, but do we want to give, like, the front line guy, like a long-range flamer or something? Because we still want to keep him in the shooty, the shooty mode, you know? Because they're all shooty to an extent.

Sure. I mean, because Ignis fire. True, true. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe not, actually. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah.

Yeah, because they just seem so long-range. and a flamethrer seems so close range. Maybe we can give him like digital weapons of some kind. Those are also pretty close range though. True. Okay, well the sniper guy has a big sniper gun. That one's obvious.

He's got a big chunky gun. Well, he's going to need some close range weapons. Like in case all the shit hits the fan. Every sniper's got like a pistol or something at his side, right? You gotta have something. What if we did, um, what if we did Ignis and Knox? What if that is, the names of the sniper rifle guy's weapons.

Because I was thinking if we're having the fancy sniper do in the back, we can give him a one shot anti-tank sniper. It does like D6 plus one damage or whatever. And then, or we can have it swap to like an anti-infantry mode that has like three shots. So it's Ignis and Knox. Oh, so it's like a transformable sniper? I mean like, um, Creed's pistols, I think are called like duty and value. or something like that.

So, like, I kind of, I also think about, like, Call of Duty. We're in Black Ops, it's Mustang and Sally of the two 1911s. So, I like it. So maybe we can roll with that. We can figure out a different name for them specifically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ignis and Knox is his weapon,

whether it's in sniper mode or whether it's the, ooh. You can do that. Cool. It's pretty good. But then what do we call them? We still need their names for them. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, I always, I feel like we almost don't want to do the single, the single word ones. I think we almost want something a little bit more pious.

Yeah. A little more holier than now, a little more Latin. You need that, you need that Latin flayer. Latin name involving dark. Well, you can do Latin name involving dark and light, because one is going to be in the shadow. One's going to be in the light, right? Sure. You could do, you could do light and dark because they're also literally the living, emboling. of equilibrium. Okay, the first one I saw was Aramon, which is hilarious. Wow. All right. We've already got that one cover.

Oh, here we go. Let's do this. I mean, if this is literally how GW makes half of their names, they go online and they just like go from there. Let's do the first guy is Hadion. Hadion. It says a Ukrainian baby boy name that means destroyer. Okay.

So that's our snipe. Or would that be the fleet commander? I think that would be the fleet commander. Yeah, because he's the destroyer. He's got all the big guns, guns, guns, rockets, and, yeah. That is an insanely hard call. What do you mean? A Ukrainian name meaning destroyer?

That's what it said. That's what it said. Oh, my God. And then the other one I saw was Bellinor, which is a French origin. This boy's name means a beautiful and dark person, which we can use for the sniper. Hadeon and Belliore and Bellinor. Bellinor is awful close to Bellicor, though. Is that of any concern?

I think it's fine. I honestly wouldn't have noticed that if you hadn't have said it. So, I don't know. As soon as I saw it spelled like that, I was like, Bellinor, Belichor, Belichor. I mean, the name, the meaning is pretty fitting, though. I mean, you could do this one if you feel like it. Doug.

Wow, Doug means dark water. Hadion and Doug. Doug. I love this. Doug. Brother. Here. Good to the tank, brother, Doug.

I fucking love this how it says, names that mean angel of death. Abadon, as a zeal, whatever, Asriel, DeBriah, and Sammael. And I'm like, okay, dark angels. I wonder, I wonder where Jude is. I wonder where GW got their names from, right? Turns how all of their important characters have the same name, basically. Yeah, we can do Hadeon and Bellinor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, like, we could go a little bit too on the nose and do, like, Thanatos, but I think that's too much. That's too much. Literal God of, yeah, that's too much. So let's go with that. I think that's a good compromise, yeah. We have chapter master Hadeon. Oh, no, no, Captain Hadeon.

Mm-hmm. Captain Hadeon. Do we want to make it Lieutenant, Bellinor, or do we also make them a captain? Actually, how much does it matter? Let's make,

let's make it, I don't know, let's, let's do another, well, I was thinking, because I'm thinking about rules right now, if it's a captain,

they probably get the, you know, Kiroth knows, probably get the rights of battle ability. And so I'm thinking, maybe we make it captain and lieutenant. We have, we have Captain,

Hadeon, and Lieutenant Belinor. Oh, okay. That'll work. Sure. All right. Bada bing, Bada boom.

Realest guy in the room. How you doing? Nobody's going to get that. That's fine. Sorry. I don't get it. That's fine. Don't worry.

Okay. I'm feeling pretty good. Other ideas and thoughts. Yeah, what else do we need? So we've got our named characters. We need a proper chapter master, right? Because that's just a captain and a lieutenant that works really well together, right? Once you've got a chapter.

Master, you've already kind of decided on issues with, not necessarily gene seed flaws, but issues with like the chapter itself. You've got the heraldry, you've got the gene seed, you've got the planet they're from, how they do initiates, you've got the name, the tactics, you've got, I mean, you've got a lot of stuff here. You've pretty much got a full chapter at this stage. So who's the chapter master? But also, I guess you could do, like, what founding was it?

Or do you even know? Does that matter necessarily? I'm cool with it not mattering. Yeah. This seems like one that, like, it wouldn't matter, and maybe they don't even know. I was, uh, yeah, lost the time, a classic situation of, maybe it's assumed that it was, uh, lost the time partially intentionally by the chapter themselves. because Alpha Legion shenanigans Way back down the line

They specifically lost it Mm-hmm Yeah yeah Unfortunately while under safeguard Of the chapter Moving from planet to planet Unfortunately it was lost in the warp And it is a great shame

For the chapter that they got over real quick They were surprisingly okay with it Oh well They're just wow they're just battle hard in space rains They got over it real quick No big deal What about chapter master like Jericho? I feel like Jericho is a pretty classic one.

City of the Moon. Okay. Hey, that's a great name for him. And it's a wrestling reference. Love it. Yeah, I mean that you went to Jericho the wrestler. God damn me too. The Ayatollah, rock and rolla, let's go.

I mean, I can call it. I can call him Zion if you want, but that might be a bit much. It's by a bit much. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I kind of like, I kind of like. like chapter master jericho though like just make it a k and so the c h yeah

yes oh you're so gw built let's go it gets it do we want to make the j into a g or two people say geroco and that's probably not right yeah i think you would say garrico i think although that being said i mean this is what i do when i make up names for d and d i take a name that i change half the letters to something that could be construed as that

and then i go there you go guess how I spelled it and then half the table gets it wrong and I'm like you're idiots you should have known I mean a jericho with a k perfectly fine perfect perfect fantastic um okay works for me uh well we can mess with him I guess it can be our third name character or whatever but uh we can we can mess with that a little bit I imagine the dude is just like just also like covered in scripture and obviously he has all the usual stuff there oh yeah again like you probably can't even see his armor for the most part he is so decked out in scripture yeah All right, all right. What is, what we got left? I think that's it. To be honest, you're pretty much there. Unless you want to establish a like long held rivalry against a chaos-based marine war band or a particular Xenos race or... The Alpha Legion. They hate the Alpha Legion.

I was thinking that same thing. Yeah. They despise the Alpha Legion. God, I don't know why, but we hate you, Alpha Legion. agent so annoying. Get away from us. We want to stay at a distance and you guys are always getting in our shit. Go away.

Do we consider them to be like more, do they consider themselves to be better than all the other blood angels? Like, we don't fall like you guys. Oh, 100% that has to be their thing, right? Because they're just like, oh, look at our history. When have we ever had to send someone

to that crazy, kooky tower where people send the infected black rage? It's never happened in our history. history, idiot. And they're just very, like, they like stick their nose up at normal like Blood Angels chapters. I like that. I think it's kind of funny. They have feuds with other Blood Angel chapters and they have an intense rivalry and hatred of the Alpha Legion. And that's so Alpha Legion coded to just like be at rivalry with yourself. Literally the Alpha Legion and their own Blood Angel faction. It has to be that way. I love the idea of a big.

gathering of blood angels and successors. And it's like, you idiots, you can't even manage the black rage. What is wrong with you? It's so easy. Enough parchment and prayers and it goes away. What is wrong with you? And the whole time, they never had the issue to be. Your faith is clearly not strong enough.

Like, you are clearly not devout to the emperor enough, or else you would have fixed this. Believe hard, are you, scro. You dolts. You're so black. Just pray harder. Idiot. Yeah. They think they defeated their black rage and red thirst via their piety.

I like it. I like it. That's pretty good. And they never had it to begin with. Let's go. You guys suck. And they are just so savage about it. Like,

they're just so brutal to the blood angels about it. The emperor has tested your face. and found you lacking. It almost feels like when someone, like a family member gets sick or has like cancer or something and then like some, that awful disgustingly like,

pious family member of yours comes in is like, it's God's will or if they were a more devout Christian, this wouldn't have happened. And like these guys come up, like the blood angels are round. It's like, damn, lost another company to the black rage, huh? Couldn't be

us. Couldn't be me. I was thinking of Have you ever thought about locking the fuck in? Yeah. Have you?

All right. This is perfect. This is perfect. Have you ever thought about locking in? This is so excessively dumb. It fits perfectly.

This is what 40K is known for. It's pretty good. Okay. So, just to run us down, we now have the official, official,

attempt as ridiculous chapter. Hell yeah. You may want to distance yourselves later, I don't know. So we have the chapter, the fealty of Equinox. They are a non-Codex compliant chapter from the planet Umbra Infernus, which is a desert world, a shrine world, and is tidily locked. So one half is pretty hot, the other half is ice cold, and it's absolutely infested with various kinds of snake.

The chapter is in fact descended from the Alpha Legion, but according to records, they are blood angels on paper. Their heraldry is a sort of circle with three aquila heads, with parchment wrapped around it. They have a heavy focus on prayer and pilgrimages. Their armour is black with silver trim, and depending on the rank, they have more and more hooded robes of parchment covered in the scripture and if those got damaged the space marine wearing them have to repair them to become a fully fledged Astartis of this chapter

you have to undertake a pilgrimage through fire and ice and snakes you have to learn how the snakes of the planet move they have an unusually high number of acolytes to inquisitors from their recruits their tactics are long-range ordnance orbital strikes and sniping.

They consider sniping, especially a point of meditation, a point of pride for the chapter. They're extremely capable when it comes to espionage and spying. Their gene seed flaw is that they all seem to be a bit bald. And they're a little bit secretive, but they also have a flaw with their chapter as a whole, not related to the gene seed, which is that they all like to shave themselves smooth

because they don't want to look like blood angels. They also have a habit of tattooing over scars and they're a little paranoid. They tend to fight at a distance from other chapters. When it comes to their chapter heroes, their librarians are very good with telepathy, but they do have a legendary sniper, Lieutenant Bellinor, whose cloak is made of scripture and has a sniper rifle called Ignis and Knox with switchable ammo modes.

They also have Captain Hayin, a fleet commander, and their chapter master is Jericho. They absolutely hate the Elf Legion and have a longstanding rivalry, and they believe themselves to be better than the Blood Angels and their successors, because who even falls to the Black Rage anyway? On top of all of this, they have no idea when their founding actually was. This is Peak Warhammer. Hell yes.

It's so dumb. But it fits so hard. Let's go. I love it. I love it. I genuinely love it. I'm already theorizing a detachment with a rule and four enhancements and the character data sheets. I'm already theorizing it, man. I'm ready to call up a billion-dollar clown farm and be like, brother, I need your Z-brush.

We're making skults. We're making add-ons. We're going for it. We're making giant sniper rifles that are bigger than they should be. Let's go. I can't wait to see those too. When people start getting a hold, oh, let's go.

That would be so much fun. And then, yeah, you know what? The minis that we have, we'll have a, we'll 3D print little snakes that just are for basing material. Just happens to have some snakes on the ground. Oh, yeah, of course. Just happenstance, you know, because why not? So they're doing a thing this month, they called Grotmas,

where every single day, they added new detachment for various armies and one of them is the orcum and it's a blood-axe attachment and I really like it because the ability

is just shouting orders and it's like bloodax war bosses bellow orders against their various subordinates to make them stronger in battle and their orders

are literally get on with it love it it's a good order that's it good order The strong and powerful commanding orders of the orcs, which is

Get Stuck in, lads. Of course. Not fucking rights. It's great. It's so good. I love this. I am one, extremely excited to see what 10-0 comes up with.

Hell yeah. Excited to see what our viewers come up with. Three, already theory crafting a detachment for it. And four, I'm going to call up my 3D printer friends and have them see if we can just make like small attachments

like like scripture robes that you could attach to it to like a primary just as a little as a little yeah I want to see that so bad because that was like the coolest idea

to have like scripture robes yeah I don't want to step on any toes GW if you're listening I want to step on your toes we're chris I just I just want to do some custom bits to make the chapters look cool so they'll have to buy your minis anyway

don't you worry and if we see it GW, we'll know, we'll know. We'll know what? That they stole it from us. Yeah. If they come out with an actual, like, oh, hey, guys, here's a new chapter. Look at this.

Parchment ropes. We'll know. Lakes everywhere. The poor modelers who take like eight months to get a mold properly built are just like in two months it's coming out and they're like, but we're about six, six, six, seven months ago. Oh, sure. Shit, chat, you're right?

I said chat, shy. Oh, man. Oh, no, he did it. He did the thing. He did the thing, chat. What do we do, chat? I don't know how we handled his chat. I'm so cooked.

So cooked. Oh, man. Oh, shit, shy. Thank you. You're right. There's the robes there. Oh, no. All right.

I got to leave. I'm sorry. By shame. My shame. I guess that's how we end the episode. Yep. Good chapter, terrible end. Terrible end.

Good fight. Good night. See you next week, everybody. Happy four years, bitches. Yeah.