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Episode Date: September 13, 2023

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episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, his name is Bricky, and oh boy, the horrors of the grim, dark future. But before we get into that, if you enjoy today's episode, or you enjoy the podcast in general, consider supporting us over at patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous where you can get access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen, the $15 tier gets you access to all the posters in just the crispiest HD format. Hi there, everybody. It's, it's me, Bricky. This is record at the end of the episode, but Shy wasn't here. So shy is now going to provide to me a poster. And then, yeah, let's see the damn poster. Show him the poster. You're going to love it. You're going to love it.

I don't believe you in the slightest. This time I genuinely don't believe you. Oh, I love that. I told you you would. You got to start believing me, man. I love that. It's the creak. The creed. The creed of the cross. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The creg of the crop rises to the top. Oh, yeah, it certainly does. It is a legally distinct commissar holding a creig.

Oh, yeah. He's such a small creaksman. Look how tiny he is. He's just a little creig. He's just a little creig. But that's the poster. There you go. That's absolutely amazing.

I will make sure this is available by the time this episode airs. See, I told you, the most Bricky poster that we've ever had, probably. And yeah, patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. Brick is going to tell you about the book that we're reading and where you can get some of our sick merch. Yeah, I forgot about the book thing. We got to talk about the book. I did too, actually. Yes, it's Eisenhorn.

The first book is Zenos. It is an extremely popular one. It is constantly told that we need to check this one out. So we're checking this one out. Check out Eisenhorn's Zenos book. Also, if you want merch, go to Orkinet.com. We got, we got brand new, we got brand new merch. We got, we got just a little siege.

Just a little siege. It's a little siege. It was, itty bitty siege. It was 80 bitty. Vrax took not long at all. We didn't even, we spent like half an episode on it one time barely. So, a little siege. It was mentioned in passing.

Look at his hands on those hips. Look at the, look at the sass he's providing. That's a classy creak. It's a sad. The feeling you get. The signature look of superiority when the opponent is stationary and you have 40,000 or a shaker cannons. So, uh,

D.K. We had four full episodes of this, of the Siege of Vrax, a four part series where everything got progressively worse. Yeah. And it was great. I loved it. Rax was,

that was, that was cool. So if, I mean, it was pretty cool. That's very true. But if I were to follow this episode up, what do you think? Like, what's the vibe we're looking at here? What's the vibe?

What's the vibe? What's the vibe? Well, I would assume you'd follow it up with something, maybe a little lighthearted, maybe a little more on the fun side, where not everything ends up a smoldering crater of chaos destruction. So maybe, maybe a little, maybe some, maybe some fun Zeno stuff. Maybe, maybe a little, maybe some Eldari stuff, you know, maybe, I know how much you love the elves. Yeah, elves and fun. Yeah, they mix perfectly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't get this, but there, there's a, there's a football player. They lost to the Browns. The Browns mascot is this elf-looking thing. And when they lost his, his post-game comment was, man, we just lost us some elves. We just lost some monk and elves. And I was like, man, that's so bricky. That's pretty tricky every time the elves roll up on.

Yeah. You know, I don't know why, but the word browns, it's just, it makes me, it makes me think of, there's, it makes me think of like the brown note. The brown note. You never heard of the brown note? It's like, it's like a particular music tone that, like, makes you shit yourself. I, that, that's real? I mean, real as well, no, I think the MythBusters tried to test it out.

Okay. I'm just imagining like. Okay. It's one of those kind of, okay. It's a myth. I'm just imagining the entire fan base of the Browns in the audience. And they like the announcer's like, and coming from, where the Brown's from? Cleveland.

Oh, God. And coming from Cleveland, Ohio, we have the Browns. And then the entire audience is. collectively. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Well, the joke for the longest time is you need to go take a shit.

It was, yeah, I'm going to go take the Browns to the Super Bowl, right? That is true. So speaking of shit, this, you're right. This is going to be a little bit more of a lighthearted episode, a little bit simpler. This, I'll give you a quote, but it's, do you want the quote? Because you're not going to get it. And this is like, like, even. this isn't a DK moment. It's like just in general, like you would not get this.

Like, I don't have enough of a good quote for it. I want to hear the quote anyway. Okay. We are the slayers of kings, the destroyers of worlds, bringers of ruination and death in all its forms. These, well, hold on. Before I finish the rest of this quote, what does this sound like to you? Um, I mean, this sounds like either some uppity astardis, um, or maybe some chaos space marines or something.

I'm really glad you said that, because that was exactly what I wanted you to say, because I like how the slayers of kings, destroyers of worlds, bringers of ruination and death in all its forms, can absolutely be attributed to the Imperium and chaos. Yeah, it's,

you know, they're indistinguishable at this point. So, yeah. The second part of the quote is, these things we do in the name of the emperor and in defense of mankind, let none stay our wrath. Ah, yes, good old Astardis.

They're such good people. That imperial, such good people. You could easily change that second part with these things we do to butcher the Imperium and serve the dark gods, and the first part would still be totally fine. Oh, yeah, totally. Yep. Yep. Anyway, we're talking about a blueberry today.

Oh, are we talking about an ultramarine, huh? Huh? That we are. Okay. A named Ultramarina, you say? Oh, you know it. Okay, I actually love stories about named Ultramarines. Might not love the most popular faction in 40K. Would they be the most popular faction? Absolutely not. They're just the, there isn't seen the most popular and like poster boys.

Ah, okay. I might not like the poster childs, but all of the stories about their named characters are super interesting because it feels like the writer's just like, you know, yo, we got to make up for that old stuff, like, really hard. So we got to, like, make this just the most trials and tribulations of your life story where this ultramarine just goes through it and he suffers and he just has the worst time imaginable. He does make it out of it, but boy, does he struggle and boy does he see strife. So that's quite interesting that you say exactly those words because in a sense, you kind of hit the nail on the head. And getting that from like just knowing it's the named ultramarine is kind of hilarious because it's like if you were, if you were to pick the most named ultramarine of the named ultramarines, like this is the one.

If you were to pick the most blueberry that was the, that had the most over the top OP lore and has become a depressed mess, this is the one. Like, oh boy. this is the poster child of named ultramarines. Wow. And we haven't talked about him before? No, because he doesn't actually have a ton of interesting varieties of lore. Okay. But he's a great like case study into the ultramarines and the way they used to be.

Okay, okay, okay. So today we're talking about someone known as Cato or Cato Cicarius. Oh, I've heard the name. I've heard the name at least. You have. It's, they look like this. They are, I mean, that is. I mean, that's fine.

You know, for an ultraman, that's fine. The loincloth could use a little bleche and a run through the wash, but, you know, cool armor. My guy, that's scripture. Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to be dirty. Okay, fine. This is, here he is as well. This makes it look like a lot more of a Chad. Wow, that sword is, uh, is blistering with energy.

All right. Yeah. Cool. They also the paldrons, very dope. Love them. So, Cato Cicarius is one of those characters that is, there are, there are two types of people. There are the people who know of Cato Cicarius from the actual lore.

and there are those who know of Cato Cicarius from the Emperor had a text of speech series. Oh, boy, it's going to be one of those episodes, huh? It's going to be one of those episodes. All right, all right, all right. So Cato is the captain of the, well, the former captain of the second company

of Ultramarines. And is now currently the commander of the Vitrix Honor. guard. It is a very special super Uber blueberry position that is what they is entirely an elite guard used to accompany and also protect Mr. Bobby G.

Oh, so he has a very important role if he's protecting old rowboat Gwheeler man. That is the way Robote Gwieler man. Yeah. Um, yes, Roebuggy is originally the Vitrix Honor Guard helped out Marnie's Calgar Mr. Double Fistin

Fruit Punch But now that there is the higher level They have Gilliman And now Gilliman is the You know the number one The top top blueberries So the big boy Yep

The um So regardless The whole Vitrix Honor Guard's point Is to protect Big G And he leads this guard Now Now, Cato Cicarius, as said before, is, so like the comment section in this video is going to be nothing but TTS memes.

I swear to you, it'll be nothing but that. Okay, okay. So what's, what's his role in TTS? What's the big meme for him? So remember how we talked about how Ultramarines previously were the most holier than now? Look at me. Look at me. I'm so cool.

I'm so special. I love myself so much kind of vibe. Yes, the whole reason that I, that the meme is that I, them. Yep. That is entirely. Here is a 30 second excerpt from TTS that will explain everything you need to understand. Oh, boy. Do enjoy. All right. Oh, wow, it is only 30 seconds. I thought you were kidding.

Oh, boy. Okay. All right. Understood. Yep, yep. I get it. I get it. Oh, boy. That is. He's a high-pitched voice. So whenever you hear I, Catacarius, leader of the I Catacarius with the Ultramarine's eye, that is the joke because he is massively into himself and an absolute douchebag. His prior lore, his prior lore was very much the classic case of Ultramarine, named Ultramarine. Okay. All right.

All right. So I would have, back in the olden days, I would have absolutely hated Cato Cicarius. Would you like to read the quote that Shai provides you? Sure. Excuse me, but you must mean that it's one of the greatest deeds the chapter has ever accomplished. And it was thanks to I, Cato Cacarius, because that is what it is. And I, Cato Ciccarius, was thinking that it was the most righteous time to remind you that I Cato Cacarius, to be your right. rightful air as the new chapter master. Perfect.

Absolutely perfect. Oh, Cato. So Cato Cicarius was born on a talisar. It is one of the worlds in Ultramar to one of their houses. He became of age, trained in all sorts of martial arts, rose in the nobility, and became so good that the ultramarines grabbed him and turned him into a space marine. He rose to the ranks of sergeant and incredibly quickly serving as an assault

Marine in the 8th Company during the good old Damocles crusade. And, you know, Saccarius executed a guardsman who retreated from Tao because that is heresy and heretical to ever retreat and he is an awful, awful

stupid blueberry man. Okay. He became a knight of champion of McCrogg and captain of the fifth company and, and I quote, Master of the Marches. Ah. Okay. All right. So eventually due to the death of first captain and the destruction of the first company at the Battle of McCrog, he was eventually promoted to the new captain of the second company and replaced the prior one in times of need.

Okay, okay, cool helmet too. Cool helmet with a little flourish, whatever on it. Oh, shy, do you have his mini? It's so old. It's so old. Isn't that his mini in the thumbnail of the video you sent? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's just some arts. Okay. I was going to say if he art for it, looks pretty great, actually. I love the differentiating flow. Oh, my God.

Look at him so stuffy. Yikes. Yeah, that is an old mini. He even has his name on the banner he carries in those back. It is high. It is scars. if you did not know that it was I, Cato Ciccarius, then here is the banner for I Cato Ciccarius.

It says Ciccarius on it. You're picking up. You're picking it up. You're understanding the point. Although, to be fair, if you just put a helmet on that mini, it wouldn't be too bad for an older mini. It's just, gosh, those mini faces just never translate well, no matter how well you paint them.

Particularly the old ones. Yeah, specifically the old ones. So good old Canto Cacarius has done so much with his life He he's one of those types of characters That has a lot of books But doesn't really have a lot of like

Solidly written lore He wasn't a in ultramarine like during the heresy or anything You know And so He doesn't really have like an esteemed large amount Of fancy nuanced lore He's a classic case of This is our case of

character for the battle books and he's got cool battle book stories. Yeah, but nothing really about his backstory and really delving into who he is. And I'll be honest, there was a part of me that was hoping when you're like, oh, he's the kind of guy that has a lot of books, but doesn't really

read. I was kind of hoping you were going to go around with them. That would have been a great option. You're right, damn. So hi, hi, Cato Cigars. Look at my collection of books. He read them? Uh, hi, Cato Cicars. He lived them. He lived them. Yeah, I lived these books, thank you.

Yes, as Shai says, he repelled one million army of Tao with a small amount of space Marines because he's so cool. Isn't he so cool by Ultramarines because he's so cool? Oh, boy. Yeah. He's done a few other things as well. There was a fight on the assault of Black Reach, which was fighting off an orc war boss known as Zanzag, of course.

there was him fighting off a major demon prince known as Demon Prince McCar also known as the Reborn and him fighting off all kinds of forces of chaos during God knows everything like it's basically kind of guy who's like you write the book about him

and then it's him versus like five chaos space marines but because of his such powerful martial skill he's able to 1v5 them and wow, isn't he? Like, it's the thing where it goes past cool and becomes annoying. Yep. He literally everything that I hate about the Ultramarines, it sounds like.

So this is where his original meme kind of came from. Yeah, I can see that. I could see definitely him spawning millions of memes because oof. Because oof. He also has one, okay, this might be one of my most. most favorite. That's right. He's also a hardcore Codex of Starkey's blueberry.

But no, so yeah, he has a lot in common with that little bastard Leonidas in space marine. All right. All right. This is one of my favorite, favorite quote or book excerpts in 40K because it's literally the Gigachad meme. But like, it's like ironic. Gigachad

where you just like really stupid but it's like you know the virgin who shits in the toilets the Chad who shits on the floor

that kind of thing okay there's a guy named Numitor or a new yeah the thing Numitore and they're fighting

off Tao and there's this this this Tao woman that they're that just that they're fighting and says

the Tao woman says wait sire warrior it's set in a perfect high gothic I am no threat to you I am regarded poorly even amongst my own kind.

Numerator's brow furrowed. The creature's voice was strangely human. You have the bearing of a knight, sire, it said. Its accent becoming even more refined. An honored and noble warrior tradition. I see it in the heraldic devices you wear. They are the marks of your forefathers, are they not? Would your forefathers be proud to see you cut down a helpless, unarmed female?

Ask the young Tao. Her honeyed voice, all innocence, but for the barest hair. of reproach. Would the king amongst kings you must venerate be impressed? He whose code you follow? Numitor thought of Rabutee Gilliman in that instant, of how the Primark would have acted in this situation. In truth, he was unsure.

Yes, said Caddo Sacarius, barreling past his fellow sergeant to stamp the creature hard into the floor. Numerter heard its ribs break into flinders within its chest. Sikarius spat on its corpse. pushing onwards into the gloom. Oh, my God. I, yeah, I kind of figure something like that was going to happen. Wow.

Yeah, what a, what a guy. Would you, would you be proud to cut down an unarmed female? Yes. Runs up, curb stomps the towel, spits on its corpse, and leaves. Leaves. I like how the, what was it, Newman or whatever, is like, well, I don't know. Maybe, maybe this, maybe this Zenos has the point. And Cato's just like, no!

How dare you? No, he didn't say no. He said yes. Oh, well, yeah, true. Would they be proud of you? Yes. Stombs on corpse and leaves. Or something.

He did the old Vulcan lives on her. He did the old Vulcan lives on her. It's just a really funny meme. I don't know what it is, but it's just, it gets me. And somebody, did somebody like, where is that from exactly again? Is that just a meme that somebody made up or like was that from like a book that was published? Oh,

It is a published book. I can't, well like what was, who? Okay, I don't want to like, like, shame the author or anything. But like, what are you, when you're writing that, what exactly is going through your head? Like, wow, I just made such a badass. Look at me. I'm so cool. This is peak right.

Like, who in what you? I don't think it's meant to make Cato seem cool. I think it's meant to make him seem brutal. Fair. And it is the grim darkness of 40K, right? Where they do this thing. They do these things, right? So I guess.

But I don't know. It's just, I can't take that guy seriously, ever. Yeah, it's hard because he's such a, he's such a Blueberry Boy Scout. And it just, that particular scene. It's so funny to me. Yeah, definitely. The main thing to, but like many blueberries, there is a disconnect. A lot of people know Cato Sacarius.

The wider 40K fan base knows him from the Texas speech memes and knows him as a massive, like, over-the-top douchebag. But the thing about Cato is that with recent writings, he has, like, most other ultramarines actually gotten a bit better. Well, it doesn't sound like he could get much worse. That's also fair. So, yeah, anything is an improvement at this point. So there is a particular fight he has, this planet called Damnos. Damnos was a fight with eventually awakened the Necron Tomb World on there.

And it was quite the fight. But in particular, he, not teleported, sorry, he, fought with a necron lord, an overlord during this whole deal, and took a war site, like, dead in the chest. Ooh. And one of the dreadnots helped save him by running up and, like, crushing the guy.

But he had to be evacuated, along with his guard, and leave the planet and basically say, ah, this planet's off limits. We can't deal with it because now it's just covered in Crohn's. Yeah, it's a tomb world. Like, good luck. It took him, like, months to months to heal this giant war sithe in his chest wound.

Jeez. All right. Yeah. But besides that, the whole fight itself, the, what is it the, the, the, the, the, the, the damnnos, it's called the Damnos incident, because it was, and I quote, the first time Cato Cicarius had ever tasted defeat. Okay, okay. He is mortal. He's mortal. He's mortal after all. Well, he was almost died from getting a giant scythe sunken to his chest. I mean, the crons are too much for most people. If you land on

a tomb world and they're all waking up, there's not a whole lot of anybody's going to do about that, aside from a swift exterminatus of the planet. Actually, a really cool image of him fighting off the necrons. I think it was probably drawn by the same guy who drew the night lord

trilogy covers because he looks like a goddamn nightmare. Like he looks like a night lord, but he's not. But yeah, he's fighting off a bunch of Crohn's. I think he's fighting off Flay ones, actually, hence the little grabby arms. Wow, that's, yeah, that's a, that's a, that's some artwork right there. Holy cheese. Yeah, he does look, he looks evil in that picture.

Well, I mean. Ah, granted, he says Catasacarius. Yeah, it is high, Katasikarius indeed. Yeah, I guess we did just talk about him rushing past an ultramarine to stomp out a helpless Tao. So, fair play, fair play, yeah. I think in the actual book, the Tao had a pistol that they were trying to draw at some point.

But it's more funny if we leave that part out. I was going to say, I can understand why he would do that if she had like a pistol behind her back and maybe he saw her. her flinching, strange, and it's like, no, I'll give him a pass on that now. Well, no, I wouldn't give him a pass. I just think it's still funny. But this was like a point of really heavily wounded pride for Mr. Sikarius.

And with that whole damn nose, oh, what Shai got, what Shai got to say here? Shai says, well, his ass wholeness caused the damn-nose issue where he was like, we can't be defeated, let's go! And they still get whooped really hard and cause massive losses, and that serves as a humbling experience for him. Yes, it starts off his tempering. It starts off the path of humbling down Kenosacarius to being less of a total douche. Oh, good for him. Yeah, well, you know, he tastes defeat, not just any defeat, but like bitter defeat, loss of a lot of troops, and a giant scythe in his chest.

And it's really, it's really bad. So eventually, like, 25 years later or so, they actually returned the damn nose to fight the Necron's again. And I think it's, it said, it was the first time Cato had smiled in 25 years since the loss, which is really petulant and hilarious to me. but you know. Yeah. He's just been pouting the whole time because I didn't win. One time. I have to retreat one time.

They do send him back to Damnos and it's got a whole book's worth of stuff. This is a whole book. So it's like Death Watch strike team is there. Though I think they actually, they awaken a Caton from the two world. And I think he kills it by throwing a vortex grenade at it. And it's a little shenanigans. Oh. A vortex grenade is a grenade that sucks things into the warp.

But still, it's a Catan, isn't it? It's a Catan. You would think it would take more than a vortex grenade to just kind of from it out of existence. But, I mean, like we've said before, all of the books have really weird power scaling in them, and you just never know what you're going to get. The Wiki really makes me laugh with the way they write.

this. He duels a Flayed 1 Lord, right? Ends up beating the Flay 1 Lord. And it says Sakaria summoned 25 years of anger and frustration into a final burst of strength. He unclipped the vortex

grenade he had been given earlier, activated a weapon and threw it at the enraged demigod hovering overhead. And then it sucked in, you know, turned into a spiraling orb of nothingness, sucked the caton into the warp before winking out of existence. which I just, I don't know what it is, but the phrase,

25 years of anger and frustration to throw a baseball is just really funny to me. It's fair. Also, why don't they use these vortex grenades for more stuff? Like, if it, if it can swallow up a catan, what, did that now, D.K. What's, what's going to stop the vortex grenade from, you know, swallowing up Abby? Now, DK, you got to, DK, this is Warhammer.

Okay, Shai already makes a good point right there. That's true. Yeah, because you don't want to summon war portals everywhere, but still. Well, also, let's not forget the most, the number one reason where it's like, why don't they use more of these? One, because they probably can't make them anymore because Mechanicus shenanigans.

Oh, no, we lost the STC. The two, it's dark, yeah, it's unreplicable Dark Age technology. tech. Three, it could just be damn expensive. And four, oh no, brother Dick Bobbin, he's been shot in the waist by a bolter. It hit his vortex grenade. Oh my God. That is a risk you take, but I mean, you know.

25 years of anger throws baseball. Oh, Shai said the lore of them literally says they're super expensive. have been hard to produce, so that's okay, all right. Also, I would still agree that maybe it's not a great idea. Just open warp riffs everywhere. Do you imagine throwing one of those at your enemy? And then, like, just out of nowhere, a great unclean one comes out of it is like, hey, hey, hey. Or a bloodthirster just starts raging out of it.

And it's like, oops, well, we didn't kill the star god, but now we have greater demons rolling around everywhere. That's fun. I was just thinking, do you think that, do you think that gray and clean ones speak like Fat Albert? I don't know. Remember the idea of the grand clean one with the top hat?

Yeah, see, now I canonically just imagine them to sound like the deep bassy part of a quartet. Oh, I think that's like probably not far from lore accurate. Despite the fact that hearing them will probably make you go insane. Yeah, well, they are

chaos, so. They are. Anyway, regardless after that, they do the damn-nosed thing. They deal with the Caton. Things are good. They eliminate the necrons, all is happy. After this comes parts that you know a little bit better, a little bit more now. There aren't entire, well, they are also giant books, but you know more about this.

Then came the resurrection of Bobby G. Oh, okay. The good old Taron Crusade. Yeah. You know, there was 13th Black Crusade, Abidon, Fallacadia, rest in peace. The whole, the whole usual. And then Bobby G. wakes up, you know, all's good. So then comes the Taryn Crusade.

And the Taryn Crusade is a, well, I mean, you know what a crusade is. It's a crusade on terror. Sikarious is given the honor of being commander of the Vitrix Guard, as mentioned before, no longer of the second company. and what really happens here is that during the following Endominus Crusade past the Detainian Crusade they get stuck in the warp

Sicarius that is Oh, that's no fun They make they take a head all the way over to the Ultramar area and along with the first ever Primaris Ultramarines out there

thanks to Mr. Call gets a fleet little small armada called Fleet Avenger his own strike cruiser Emperor's Will it's classic classic 40K stuff here

Yep classic name for a ship in the Imperium sure And they end up getting out Into the warp And are hit by a massive Massive warp storm Really bad one Like almost as bad as like

the ruined storm way back when Or I think they said like Is the closest they've been to the age of strife. Wow. Okay. Like a bad one.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that is big time bad news. All right. And they also is the, one of the first times they actually had the Astronomicon go dark on them. Ooh. Yeah, it malfunctioned. So there was no North Star either leading them where they needed to be. Yikes. So it's pretty bad.

Um, and after that, the last known message they had from Secarius was they have briefed the hole they are here and then he went it declared missing by the ultramarines oh that's not a great last message to have um the uh there's actually a little quote it says uh of captain secari's i will say only this none have borne battle more nobler with greater prowess i will mourn my brother when i know he is lost until them i will hold out hope that he may someday return to us if any can do such a thing, it will be him. And when he does return, then think of the tales he will have to tell us.

This is by Marnius Calgar, Mr. Doublefister. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, if anybody would be able to survive that, it probably would be Cato. So the... Hmm. Oh, Shai says,

Rabute kept him close trying to make him less of an asshole and turn him into a decent leader, because he was a great fighter, but shit at commanding. Yeah, well, no, it's actually true. Gilliman wanted his Vitrix Honor Guard to be more than just a guard. He wanted them to be statesman. Oh, okay.

And who is worse at Statecraft than Fagarius? No one. Oh, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that is unfortunate. I was going to say, like, if he's so bad at, like, commanding and leading, just don't make him a commander. Just throw him into battle. Yeah, but he wants to teach him. Well, I mean, sometimes you can't teach a rock. You know, sometimes you just got to use that rock and bash people over the head with it.

That's true. It's not going to be able to teach your French, but it sure is going to crush a skull real nice. We tried teaching a rock how to act and he's not very good at it. Yeah, but it sure did break that dude's skull. Oh, boy, I was real good at it. Yeah. Did you not get the reference? Nope.

The Rock, Dwayne, the Rock Johnson, to act? Oh, right. I see what you know. All right. All right. Yeah. Confession noted. Anyway, the largest amount of humbling of Casillas comes from this warp travel.

Basically, he is stuck in the warp for a while. Tell us all of his other ships. Find your way out of here. Find what you got to do. Like everyone just kind of go do the best you possibly can. During this time frame, he is constantly assaulted by demons. It is the warp. He is in the warp.

Constantly the hole is broken through and demons are flooding the ship. And the mortal crew just gets ravaged. And then after the mortal crew gets ravaged, then all of his brothers start to get horribly murdered. Oh, yeah, here's the suffering and strife of the, of a modern day ultramarine. So it wasn't like, oh, man, all these people died like in this quick battle of honor or whatever. He was trapped in the warp. No, there's nothing, there's nothing like exciting about that. There's no hero's journey being stuck in the warp.

Yeah. If anything, it is more than anything, the, what is it? More than anything, it is like the least honorable death. Because if you kill a demon in the warp, it really doesn't do a lot. Yeah, because it's just going come right back. It's just, it's going right back into the warp and it's respawning somewhere eventually. So, yeah, it's, no real great honor killings there. No honor, no, no great crusade, no battle for the world.

the emperor, it was a random chance to be stuck here and then slowly over a long course of time his men are just butchered by demon after demon that sucks. He finally gets out of the warp eventually. Yep. I bet he's a changed man.

Oh, he's got survivors guilt. He's got PTSD. He is he is constantly having nightmares of his screaming brothers. Oh, boy. Yeah, we have definitely shifted into, oh, boy, I didn't like Cato before, but now, oh, boy, I feel for him. Like, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a tough pill to swallow. He says, there's a little excerpt that says he was a man who still heard the screams. It did not used to be that way. His had always been a world of screams, screeching Zenos,

whaling heretics, shrieking monsters to defy the imagination of mankind in the breadth of their whore and the heights of their malice. Dead or dying at his will at his order by his hand, ruptured into extinction by the application of bolt, boot, and sword. Those deaths were just, but the screams of his men, those he could not forget. And they troubled him deeply. Ooh, I like that. I kind of like the juxtaposition

of like the screams of the people he killed. Like, oh, those are comforting, but it's like the screams of watching his men die in the warp or what really kind of screw him up. That's, that's, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a nifty little, uh, transition. I like that. I like that. It gives them a bit of, it gives them a bit of tempering. Yeah. Definitely, we're in the, we're going to humble the hell out of Cato's or out of Cato, yeah.

There's a lovely, um, lovely little excerpt with him speaking to, I'm not quite sure. She's like a, like a mortal, maybe she's like a mortal priest or, or just like a younger serf. I don't quite remember exactly who she is. Um, but there was a great discussion about the, there was a dead, um, as a captain other Marine or something. Basically another, uh, helmet was there and they couldn't tell if they died from like a, a,

a sword wound or a bullet wound in the head, you just don't know. And so there's like a lack of finality to it. Like how did this strong warrior go out? It's like, I don't know. And it kind of hurts a bit on the internal. And talking a lot about that, what's the worst thing to die in the emperor's service

without knowing, without doing any heroic deed, to just kind of die. I. Yeah. With no... Yeah. Yeah.

That's, oof. It hits it. It has certainly taken a turn, hasn't it? Yeah, it hits him. It hits him kind of hard. It's like, I think we were talking a little bit about, like, what would be the most fitting death for Erebus? Oh, man.

Everybody sees it. He just gets tortured, and it just gets broadcast to, like, every corner of the universe. No, no, I don't think so. No? No, I think it needs to be, because he considers himself like this. Look at how important I am, the grand master of fate and like... True. So if he was martyred like that, he would probably love that and it might rally some weird, that's true. If he just died in a hole and nobody knew it and everybody was just like, is he alive? Is he dead? I don't know. And he just was forgotten. Yeah. He needs to trip and fall and break his neck.

Well, he needs to trip and fall in like a hole somewhere. He needs a trip and fall in a ditch where nobody can find his body for like a billion years. Or like he steps on like a landmine made by some random guardsman. And he just gets vaporized and there's just nothing left. Yeah. It has to be something just exceptionally small. Yeah. That's true.

If his death was broadcast across the. universe, he'd probably love that because he'd be martyred and somebody would probably take up arms in his name or something. There's a, it was a, so there's a little bit of a, the speaking between the two of them, Cato and this, this female mortal priest lady, they're talking about burdens and how many people rely on him to save them, and he worries that he can't, that he will, his warriors will die here, unremarked and unremembered. much like the brother Chaplin's head next of them.

So he's got a bit of a... So Cato is going deep. Like, he is definitely, he has definitely changed. Because the old Cato would be like, of course, Cato Cicarius will be able to defeat all of these warped demons, of course, of course, of course. And that he has now shifted and been humbled to like, I don't even know if we're going to make it out of here.

Like, that's a pretty big 180 for old Cato. It might be interesting to note that, This original photo I sent you of Cato was Cato way back when, and this is like new Cato. You can kind of see as a little bit of a difference in like demeanor look. Oh, definitely. Definitely. He looks much more humbled and grizzled in the second one. Then that first one he's like, ah, yes, this is I, Cato Cicarius, with the holy scriptures worn around my body.

You can definitely tell the shift for sure. Look at how big his legs are in the first photo. Why are his shins so enormous? It's just the armor, man. He's got normal legs. It's just that's some chunky armor. You can even see in the second photo

he's got like a bunch of bullet marks in his chest plate and like scratches up and down. Yeah, he does. A lot of dense, a lot of war dense, yeah. It's really interesting. So now, along with his major defeat in the first damn nose incident and then being stuck in the warp for a while,

having so many of his men die a fruitless death. He's got some survivor skill. He's got some pain. Oh, sure, sure. I totally get that. Yeah. So it's something. It's something else.

It is. Is that where his story ends? That was the last thing that he did. Now he's just kind of rolling around with Survivors' guilt, a little PTSD from this crazy trip through the warp and the damn nose incident? A little bit. He currently is still in command of Gilman's vision. Vittrix Garm.

And he helps, you know, fighting him during the, there was the plague wars after the Indominus Crusade. Yeah. But as of lately, in the more recent timeline of the Arks of Omen and the Leviathan book, not much else has been going on with our boy Cato. This is kind of where it stops for the most part. Okay, okay. I imagine he's a much better commander now, now that he's sort of seen the horrors of the

warp and he's seen sort of like the consequences of like what happens to his men if he just kind of let's just rush in because we're great like i imagine he is a much even though he has suffered horribly i imagine his commanding has gotten significantly better for it before he was like i i will i will learn how to to defeat the enemy by murdering everything faster than they can murder me. Yeah. Instead of just being like, oh yeah, we have a battle to go to, send everyone. Maybe now he actually strategize a little bit more and he doesn't send all of his troops

in on the front lines or something. I don't know. He also was very much a, um, there's a lot of, a lot of segments of him like just being awful to guardsmen. Just like, just like, how dare you fall back from this thing? You, you absolute weaklings, the commissar is going to know about this. Gotcha. He's a real,

real shitter in that. Yeah. That being said, he does have a mini. He is something that can be in the tabletop. And his rules are all based on going, like, fast and quick.

Okay. That being said, I think he is just, like, he is like the definition of mid. Oh, really? Keda-Sikari is his mid?

His rules are like the most mid rules out there He's super mid Oh man, you think he'd be kind of leaning towards the O.P. side Just with the way his lore is construct. You know, I was not expecting his mini to be mid with the rules. Yeah, but you see, it's new lore. Ah, that's true with the new lore, he is, okay, okay, okay. Different kind of mid.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But that really is, Cato's thing. He rolls up with a cool ass blade from his homeworld and a plaza pistol and a fancy ass piece of armor called the mantle of the suzerain and all kind of talisar stuff and that that's really Cato.

For the most part it is a great example of insanely stupid named ultramarine shenanigans being then turned into humbling ultra depression and the contrast between what it is and the TTS meme. Okay, so it's just another example

of sort of them taking older lore that maybe isn't the best and just kind of tempering it and making it more reasonable and making them less opie and unbeatable and just, you know, modernizing it a little bit.

A little bit, and I think it's pretty great. Yeah, I like that. That's the ultramarine stuff. that I like is when they're not perfect Boy Scouts that always win and we're the best and we won we didn't suffer any casualties. Look at how great we are.

I like this stuff. If all of the ultramarine stuff gets sort of molded over and tempered like this I wouldn't make fun of them as much. No, for the most part a lot of them have been. I mean, we both like Bobby G. a lot. Oh yeah, definitely. Especially the more recent Bobby G.

Yeah. Recent Bobby G is just a very enjoyable character arc, especially when it's a prime arc, who has lots of lore in the past. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But other than that, yeah, it's a nice little explanation of old school blueberries to new school blueberries. Wow.

Good job. Thanks for the poster that was definitely recorded, not at the end, and definitely in the beginning. What a great episode on. Cato Cicarius. Oh yes, truly the best. One might even say it was the cream. The cream.

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