Adeptus Ridiculous - JAGHATAI KHAN: OVERLOOKED, MISUNDERSTOOD, AWESOME | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

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into another episode of The Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K., my co-host name is Bricky. He's the one with all the Warhammer knowledge. He's the one that's going to be telling us all of the most ridiculous things, hence the name Adeptus Ridiculous, for today's episode of the podcast. But before we get into that, if you enjoy the podcast and you want to consider maybe supporting the podcast, heading over to patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous. You'll get access to our Discord, which is always popping.

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Because I don't know what it is. I mean, I'll tell you after, but but not. I don't want to, I don't want to give people hyped and then it doesn't happen. Okay. And then I have to wait another week because that'd be unfortunate. Also,

screw everyone listening because I'm going to find out. He's going to get to know. You got to know something because you never know what the episode is. That's true. It's very, it's very, it's a normal move for me to be in the dark. That's just sort of my daily, you know, I'm very accustomed to being

in the dark knowing nothing. So don't worry. It is good. I'm glad we're on the same page. Also, I do find it humorous that, unironically, our Latara poster is probably the best poster we've done so far. It's really good. It's actually really good. I'm not kidding.

It's my phone wallpaper. It's not a joke. It's not a meme. It's, yeah. I mean, that's a little weeby, but you know, I guess that's okay. That's called on brand. A little weebee for me? Really?

Really? All right. Do you even know me? All right, fair. Are we even friends? I guess not. Apparently I got this all fucking mixed up. I thought I was with people of class.

You thought I had class? I mean, you are building thousand sons. That's kind of cool. That's true. You're not building like... They're getting the hex fire box too, aren't they? Yep, that's coming out soon. Anyway, on a topic that has nothing to do with Thousand Sons or Grey Nights.

Today, we have a couple of things we've got to show. apparently. Shy, you had something that you wanted to show us? Ah, that's right. She did. She had a fan thing. Uh-oh. Oh. Oh, shit. I'll click on it too to see what this is. Oh, is this the new intro? Oh, shit. Yo, there's drums now.

Oh, it's like super... well... It's hype. Yeah, it is very hype. It's like super orchestral now. Oh, that's pretty great. Fan of the podcast by the name Bailey Reed took our theme song and entirely remade it by ear in epic orchestral style. It is not a remixer, whatever. It's entirely a new track. Oh.

That's fucking impressive. Holy shit. Just by ear, he did it. That's... Or she, the name is Bailey. I don't know. I guess it could be both. Oh, not bad.

Whatever. Them? We are progressive on this podcast. They made it and they did a very impressive job. So big ups to Bailey Reed because that's super dope. Yeah, I mean, I'll, yeah, I hope we use it for the opening this intro. I hope people hear it and then they're like, oh, that's new. Also, in the response of a fantastic episode yet last week on the official assassinorum,

we got a incredible video on, made it for us on Twitter. I'm going to let Shy cut to the video. Oh, no. So I'm assuming she played it. You know what's great about that one? So not only, like, there's the orange kid with the drill abbot hammer, but not only is that good, but then he animated the default dancing commissars, but then he went the additional,

the additional way to echo like a loud speaker, the chug-jug-jug song, and then add children crying. It is the perfect 40K video. Yep, it is. It's memes, it's depression, it's horror, it's grim dark.

Spot on. I don't get it because I don't Fortnite, but I know I heard chug-jug, and then immediately hand in face. Or hands in face. I can't believe you don't know. All right.

Anyway, Uh, speaking of, of thing, uh, Dean Kamen. Wow, great segue. Vroom, vroom, Dean Kamen. Uh, speaking of speed, today we're talking about the white scars. Oh shit. Yeah, we're going to do the motorcycle Mongolians? Hell yeah.

Well, specifically we're doing like we have been, which is Primark then faction. So today we are talking about, yes, motorcycle Mongolians. That's actually a really good way to refer to them. I never, because it's MM. Wow, that's great. Has you done that before? I don't know about that. Motorcycle Mongolians.

Every now and then I come up with a gym. Let's go. That's not bad. So we're talking about Jacketai Khan today. It is surprisingly been requested, which, well, there's lots of requests lately. People really want us to do blood angels. They want us to do dark angels. They want us to talk about Perciarabo, that fucking douche.

I want to talk about lots of stuff. But there's always been like this nice little group of people who really wanted white scars. And it's funny because I always kind of forgot about white scars. A lot of people do. They just kind of forget it. Because you look at ASOGW, but you look at like the Space Marine Codex and you're like, ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands, like very prominent factions. Yeah.

They're like, oh yeah, it's right, white scars. You know, space wolves, blood angels, like very, very prominent factions. And people always kind of forget about white scars, which I find funny now that I've read about them, because it's actually lore accurate. That people forget about them? Yeah, actually.

I'm actually kind of surprised. So I knew that today was one that people had been asking for. In my head, I was like, okay, I'm going to pretend to be surprised when he says, blood angels. Because I had seen that one get requested. I don't think I've ever seen anyone request a white scar before. I'm happy about it because they're really cool but yeah I was genuinely assuming

that today was just it's Blood Angels time let's talk about vampires but pleasantly pleasantly swerved oh there's gonna be lots of swerving in this episode I made up for my Dean Kaman earlier excellent yeah we need the drum set

we get the drum set back out yep get that drum set try so Jagatai Khan the primark of the 5th Legion this time around. He hails from a world known as Chagoras. Now, interestingly enough, unlike

Angron, Mortarian, Kerr, mainly the chaos guys. His upbringing is actually the boring part. Oh. And it's actually his time during the heresy and in the Great Crusade that make him interesting.

I think his upbringing is actually rather boring. Not going to It seems to me that if a Primark stays loyalist, they probably had a boring childhood. Nothing really happened. They just, hooray, I'm not on a death world. And the ones that went traitor had just awful childhoods like Angron, where he was like a fucking slave, and he had to fight in slave combat. And then he had to watch all of his people die when Emps just teleported him up.

Yeah, most of the time it tends to have really bad situations. I mean, granted, you know, Gilliman didn't have a bad time at all, but Gilliman got interesting because his post, his reawakening is just like so depressed. Yep, that's what makes him so cool. Like, I think the Ultramines are kind of boring because I've determined that they're like, they're like the Yankees. Yeah, they're the poster boys. Yeah, they're the franchise.

They get all the attention. They get all the money. And it's like, ugh, they're boring. is just so cool because like once he reawakened it's like oh my god we're all dumb holy shit how do i deal with this i can't just kill you all fuck you get a lot better character development when the good boy is thrown into the bad situation but anyway so chagoras naturally we all know what happens with the primarks in the capsules they're gone um now chagoras was actually a fertile world it was very large it had huge planes and mountains and seas. I think it was all located on one big continent.

And it's so it kind of had, well, you know, it looked like Mongolia, you know, it's obviously. Okay. Yeah, it makes the theme. Yeah, it makes plenty of sense. It was a perfectly good world in terms of temperature and all that stuff. Nothing was particularly weird about it. No, no. Yeah, it wasn't like Nostromo and it wasn't like, perpetual darkness. Or, or barbarous with more But the planet had technology similar to like late Renaissance period because the age of strife fucked everything up. So they were back into the point of like horses and pikes. Okay. They were going like way back.

Because you got to do the money. So there's like no technology then. There's very little. Okay. You got to go with like the. Rubbing sticks together to make fire. Pretty much. Yeah.

Like Flint and Steeler. whatever. Like, they had armor, but, you know, they really want to sell that Mongolian vibes. So they're going back to the time where they were really big and conquerors and all that. You know, good old Genghis Kong time frame. So he was found by Ong Khan. That's a really hard thing to pronounce. Ong, and the last name is Khan, who was the chieftain or the Khan of a small tribe. So the entire planet was mainly conquered by a feudal aristocracy, because it's always aristocracies in Warham. The leader was known as the Palatine, which I think is kind of strange because they released the new sisters of battle model called the Palatine, which is just a little weird.

Yeah, it's a little strange. A little weird, but oh well. In the Palatine, it had this big-ass empire with his big-ass armies. And west of his empire was an thing called the Empty Quarter, which is this giant barren grassland with tons of different warring tribes, nomadic armies. is like, it's the giant plains of nothingness where tribes will kind of fight each other, away from the empire. Giant plains

of nothing. Sounds like warframe. Sounds like a warframe open world. I couldn't help it. It's all right. They're all like that. Plains of Idleong, more like I can't, I don't want to be here. Oh,

shy said it sounds like a warframe release schedule. just fuck that's true. Sorry, go ahead. Ong Khan was the chiefdom, or the con, of a small tribe out there in the empty quarter. And after being raised for a bit, his dad was eventually killed by some rival, you know, tribes. Yikes. Classic, everyone's dad dies

in fucking Warhammer. How is you going to become a bloodthirsty warrior? Yeah. How else are you going to become a bloodthirsty warrior? Yeah. How is Well, I mean, he's going to be raised, but well, he was raised kind of, you know, I want to say Savage, he's not like Lehman Rust, but he's very much raised as a warrior because he was raised in this tribe

of warriors and then eventually a rival tribe killed his dad and then Jagatai went to go avenge him. And so he rode to the rival tribe and he raised it to the ground. He literally Anakin Skywalkered it. It specifically states in the wiki. He killed all the men, the women, and the

children and then took the tribe leader's head on a pike and put it on his tent. Damn. And he hates sand too? I guess he does. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. He raised the place to the ground, so, you know.

He killed all though. He's the men, the women, everyone. So. Slaughtered them like they were animals. Anyway, go ahead. Fucking. I don't like the, I don't like the situation where in where Jagatai Khan is just Anakin Skywalker. He's way too cool.

to be dopey as Anakin Skywalker gets on his fucking jet bike. He's like this is where the fun be. Oh my god, he's even a pod racer. Oh no! He's even a pod racer. Oh, fuck. He's Anakin. No, he's

Anna Khan. No! No! Oh my God, this is so cursed. He's a Fuck! No!

God damn it. Oh, God. Greatest revelation ever. This is outrageous. It's unfair. How can you be a primar and not be promoted to the rank of master? What the fuck?

Oh, shit. His dad died. He raised every. Dad died, yes. So basically his whole schick was he really disliked the tribal infighting. And so he would attempt to unite all the tribes in the eastern quarter of the area. So the tribes he eventually conquered were absorbed into what he called the Talascar Confederacy, which is just, this is just big words for Caesar's Legion of Fallout.

I'm not even King. This is literally Caesar's Legion. He made military service mandatory, and he took the tribes, and he split them up and merged them with other tribes to remove their differences and remove blood feuds and kind of make them one homogenous group, which is literally what Caesar's Legion does in Fallen, New Vegas. He specifically states, like, one homogenous thing that obliterates the culture of what it conquers. It's exactly what he does.

Smart. That's smart. That's kind of what you want. You don't want a shitload of infighting. You just want unity. You want them to not kill each other anymore. Yeah, definitely. You want them going against the enemy, not themselves.

Point being, this has happened. Eventually, a hunting band from the Palatine Empire came to go get him. Or just, it was like a, it was no, it was a hunting band. They came across the Khan's tribe, and they killed a lot of Khan's men, but then the Khan killed all of them. and then put their heads on pikes and sent them back and was like, this ain't your your place no more, dude, which made this guy really mad.

And he sent this giant army to go try to take him out. And that was kind of where they started getting into their speed, because then what they did is they just basically ran circles around them with horses and just fired arrows at them never, never randomly. Oof. I was like, ha, ha, can't catch me, fucking losers. And killed a... Yeah, they killed a massive amount of...

his army and then the guy ran away and kind of hid him. So this came the long process of taking over the planet. And then he basically gave every single area, tribe or city the same ultimatum. It was surrender or die.

And most surrendered, some didn't, and those that didn't die. Well, yeah. Pretty simple. He was very clear cut. Those are the options he gave. Like, yeah. That's actually a really good fan art of Jagatai. Oh shit. I thought that was an actual picture. That's very, um,

uh, very true to like the ethnicity, and I find that humbling. It's, it's nice when they do a good job with making it like, you know. I looked over and I thought the, the picture she posted, I was like,

oh, that's got to be from like some, uh, some fantasy show. Like, it's an actual picture of a dude or like, it's someone cosplaying.

It's like, nope, that's, that's just, uh, pen to paper. It's fucking cool looking. God damn.

Yeah, um, super slick. But anyway, Anyway, so basically At this point he was just dabbing on cities He was just going around Like taking everything he could

And eventually he finally got to the Palatine himself And he went to his city and it was like Hey, bring me the Palatines head on a spike And I'll let your city live You'll surrender And the city was like Okay And they went to the dude and put his head of the spike

And gave it to him And he's like, cool All right, we're good now and then he put it on his tent. I mean, when, when, when you see what Jagatai Khan has been able to do up until that point, if you're, if you're like serving the Palatine or whatever, and they're like, yeah, if you, if you kill him and give me his head on a pike, I'll let you. Like, there probably wasn't even a moment of hesitation.

I'm like, yep. Yep. Goodbye, Palatine, because this is, mm-mm. I ain't going to let him flay me alive. Well, I guess, that's the Kerr's thing. That's the curse thing. That's the Kerr's thing, right? That's the terror tactics, but yeah.

No, Jagatai would definitely go on a slaughter, but he would not do it. They don't, like, revel in it. Well, we can talk more about that in a moment. But basically... Like he does it because he has to. Yeah, he does it because it's the warrior's path. He's very, like, honorable. He feels like the use of battle is not to satiate, like, a savage desire for battle.

Like, he likes to fight, but he likes the honor it gives him. likes the feeling of a conquer of conquering um he's he's not the like the guy with leman or russ where he's just fucking stoked to be swinging a sword um he's like he it's the joy of winning the joy of of honorable battle um and not like tau honorable where it's really you know weby and stuff up until this point i was going to say he kind of sounds like he sounds almost almost tau-ish because weren't they the same deal where it's like oh yeah you should join us

or we'll kill you well they had a different concept they were more on the lines of join us because it's for the greater good as a homogenous group for the white scars and for Jagatai it was like you know it was like a lot of the

Mongolian stuff where it's join us because we're going to conquer you anyway or you'll die you know be part of our group because that's what we are we're nomads were conquerors. So anyway, then came Biggie, of course,

after he took over the planet. He was actually found by a fleet of Luna Wolves, accompanied by both Horace and Biggie. And Biggie was looking at him and said, damn, you conquered the whole planet in a very impressive way.

I like that. And the emperor basically offered him the same choice as his foes, you know, surrender or death in a sense. most people assume that Jagatai basically saw the emperor and knelt immediately and said, hey, father, yes,

you're here, I will serve you. But in reality, if you actually, apparently in his journals, he wrote that it was quite a concept for him. He, once he, he does not like the idea of kneeling to anyone. That is, that's not him.

Because he's, he's spent his whole life conquering and never kneeling, never surrendering. and just like killing his foes and never having to bend the knee. So yeah, I guess it would be a little strange for him, but it is biggie. And I mean, he is a, he's a presence.

He is a presence. In his journals, he wrote specifically that while he hates the concept of being under someone and having his legion under someone, or his men, I guess in general, he at the same time realized that he was in the exact same situation he offered to everyone else.

If I don't surrender, I will die. But he was also really pleased with the idea of the imperial truth. He followed the idea of the imperial truth to a T. Like, mankind is destined to rule the galaxy. And if he would refuse Big E, that would mean death. And to accept it, even under a different banner, would mean a life of conquest.

And that's something that he can very much get down with. That's true. he probably would love, love what he would do under the emperors. So, yeah, makes sense. It was interesting, too, because once he was brought on board, some people weren't entirely pleased with the concept of giving him his legions so quickly because he was living in like Renaissance time. That's true.

He was shitting in pots and, you know. And then spacefaring emperors shows up and teleports down. Yeah, like here's your, your dudes clad in. in unbreakable armor with our warships. Like that's, that's something. And some people were very much like,

hey, no, we got to, we shouldn't give jagatite high control of a whole legion this fast. You know, you know what people said that? What? Gilliman and Rogel Dorn. Who would a fucking guess?

Of course. Of course. Who would have guessed? Who would have guessed? That they were the ones. They were like, hmm, maybe we should train more, but know that he got his Legion regardless. He was given it. And at the time, a lot of the

White Scars were actually, the Fifth Legion at the time, were out and about across the galaxy. They were all fighting different fights just in different areas, doing whatever. And so his main goal was to actually round them all up. He had to go basically get out there and grab all the white scars, or I think they were called something prior to that, but it didn't last long. And grabbing each of them and getting them all together and working them together into one homogenous group very similarly to the way he did on Gagoras. Right. Which was actually kind of a neat idea.

They were called Star Hunters. That's right. Oh, that might be a, that's not cool. That's a more dope name. I think that. Star Hunters? That's actually a more dope name. I agree.

Should have stayed star hunters. Like white scar is cool, but fuck, dude. The white scars, the reason that name came, though, was actually pretty neat. The idea was that when he went to go gather up all of the, well, you know, white scars, his Legion. The star hunters. Once he was actually going out and gathering these like pioneer companies to attend him in bring them all together. What happened is he basically assembled the all of them above Chagoras, you know, his main planet. And he took all of them who were kind of not big bros with each other.

They were very suspicious of one another because they were all from different like companies and now the prime marks here and obviously they'll serve him, but between each other they're all like, it's almost like they're different tribes. Yeah. And so what he did was in the big open fields, He took 50,000 warriors and did two things. He had them all take up their blades and cut a mark in the flesh of their face, gouging a certain depth and a special pattern to the wound as like a ritual in a way to, what's the term? Like, pledge their loyalty, mark their loyalty. And in their own different ways.

So they would all have their own like tribes and bloodlines. But literally. Literally. But this specific like, well, this white scar would end up being like the connective tissue that made them all together. The second part of the ritual was that the scarring of the blood was supposed to be like they would choose after the blood of the scarring was still bright. they would choose completely new names, completely discarding the prior life in order to have them push back their prior

tribes and such, and therefore come into a homogenous group within the white scars. Oh, that is actually pretty cool. So it's almost like a rebirthing of like their community. Basically, it's a rebirthing and a way where they still have kind of their culture with them, but now they're one big group with it. Oh, that's dope.

That's a cool way to get your name, White Scar, because you've scarred your bloodlines and you're packed with your Legion right onto your face, wherever. But that's actually, I'm okay with that over Star Hunters now. The concept is cool. Star Hunters is just really fucking neat. And it goes with all the Star Wars memes we've been making too. That's true.

Yeah, if we're going to do Anicon memes, then this has got to continue. As for the actual stuff that the condom, He actually did a lot of pretty neat stuff. He helped create the Order Libraris, which basically was a special way to house psychers in Legions. Him originally was mainly assumed that Magnus and Sanguinius did this thing, but Jagatai was part of it. It was just basically like, Magnus was like,

A, being a cyker is great. They should have unlimited potential and do whatever they want. And Sanguonius and Jagatai were like, no. Let's not do that. that. That's really dangerous. So they took them all together into, like, that's why they're called librarians, because they had them housed like a little group in each legion, the librarians, to have them kind of train each other and test each other and making sure that they weren't just out and about.

Yeah. Because that would be bad. Very bad. Cycers are creepy. Cycers are fucking weirdo. Cycers are very weird. And having space to race, cybers. Just like, ever since Gons goes, I'm just like, ooh, psychers. That makes my skin crawl.

Nasty ass, boys. Yeah, nasty ass fucking exorcist shit going on. Exist shit. This actually caused a little bit of a disconnect with a few other primarks. Now, the con didn't talk to many people, and some people didn't like him. Gilliman and Doran, in particular, as well as Mortarian. really didn't like him because he helped with the

psychers and Mortarian really doesn't like psychers. Oh, I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Also, they, Rogel Dorn and Gilliman didn't like his wanton enjoyment of going fast

as fuck boy. Why didn't they like that? Because Gilliman and Dorn want a classic drop pod strike followed by infantry with some tanks in the background

and a slow pushing force that takes over the planet and Jagatai and his boys are pulling 190 on jet bikes swinging swords and they're literally known as the laughing killers because they go into battle with smiles on their faces

and they're laughing their asses off when they kill people they're riding at like subsonic or almost supersonic on their fucking jet bikes swinging their swords like mad and they're just giggling to themselves the whole time and not because they

find it incredibly satisfying like well curs I guess but like Russ or anything they just love the honor of battle and so they got a smile on their lips and a giggle under their helmet as they're just slapping

people I would have loved to have been there when the first White Scar got their motorcycle, like the first time they got to ride one, because, like, they went from what? Horses back to, like, now mock speed bikes? Like, that first White Scar must have lost his fucking mind and just been blown off that bike. He would have had such a good time. He'd been so stoked. Probably. Like, he probably, you know, flew off the bike and broke his neck, but he was having a blast for those three seconds. He wasn't flying through the air.

at thousands of miles an hour. I mean, yeah, it's also jet bikes. Let's not forget about that. That was pretty common in the Horace Heresy. What happens if you have a bike? Instead, your bike can fly. Oh my God, I didn't realize they had jet bikes. I thought they were, well, I guess it's 40K.

Of course, they have jet bikes. That should have made sense. But those are really dope too. Yeah, those are old 30K jet bikes. The custodians actually still run with jet bikes. But they also have like land speeders, which are also a big white scar thing, of course. Of course, of course.

Because they're, oh no, the landspeel looks like a pod too. Mm-hmm. No. Could have, could be a return of the Jedi literal landspeeder. You know, they're, boom. Shit. But yes, they're like that stuff quite a bit. We're going hard in on Star Wars, man.

Dude. It's seeming more and more like the white scar, just a very subtle Star Wars meme. Which is weird, though, because Jagget, Mongolian stuff is not very, like, star. I mean, I guess Star Wars does have the Eastern influence. Like, they have the, Jedi are like monks mixed with like knights in a way, but... I always thought the Jedi were more samurai-based.

Well, I mean, their robes. They're very monk-ish. That's true. Like a monk cross with a samurai. It's a, it's a combination of like the East monks, the sword samurai combined with like the West, which is knights and because they're Jedi knights and that kind of stuff. Oh, well, fair, yeah. It's like a nice combination.

It's actually pretty cool. Anyway, yes, they like to go really fast. In a sense, they think why would I care out what my enemy's tactics are? When I can blow through their gates moving at such insane speeds and now they're fighting me on multiple fronts and they can barely fight me. Because I am in Astardis. I have way better reaction time. I am way stronger.

And now I am way faster than you. And often they'll just go in there and have like total blitzkrieg and cause so much, so many problems that the rest of their forces will either their cleanup or some other force, like the imperial fists will do the rest of the dirty work. You know what would suck about fighting the white scar? It's like, oh, my God, they've got these bikes. It's unfair. They go so fast.

Oh, this is so stupid. If you manage to, like, blow out the tire on one of their bikes or blow out the engines, like, hooray, I got them off their bike. It's like, congratulations. Now you've gotten a startian full of power armor to deal with. And it's like, fuck! And he is sprinting at you. Yeah.

And he's, it's like, oh, damn it, I got rid of the bike at least. It's like, congrats, you're still dead. Often they employ a lot of people with jet packs too, which is also like, you know, good times. In the tabletop, they're also really fast. And that makes them, yeah, that makes them quite frightening sometimes. Are they popular in the tabletop? Like, do a lot of people use them? They're pretty good right now because they have, um, they have a, they have a, they have a, they have a,

special ability. So their ability is they can do a thing called advance in charge. Basically, when you move like, if a bike moves 12 inches, you can then advance a unit, which is you roll a dice and then add that many inches to its movement. So if you roll a six, then it's an 18 inch bike. But normally if you do that, you're foregoing shooting or or charging, but they can charge after it anyway. So they're just like, they're literally literally just Tokyo drifting. They're going real fast. And then they get extra damage on their melee in like a certain part of the game

So they're flying at you It's super fast and doing extra damage It's pretty crazy The problem is that they're all in white And painting white is the worst thing in the world That is true From what little I've painted Like you would think painting white stuff is just super easy

It's not It's so hard It's so chalky and awful Because you don't just paint white Like you've got to like do all like the little shading of it And then it seems like it's too white And then it's like you try and

do a little gray and it's like the gray's tube it's a fucking nightmare it is it's I I hate it I hate painting cloth which is white cloth is the fucking worst I agree with that one white cloth is the worst anyway

so Khan's doing con things he's doing his great crusade he's really enjoying it but a lot of people tended to not really pay the white scars any minds they were they were very much just like they weren't a huge legion size wise

but often because of their tactics they were either kind of disliked but also the con had no interest in doing honorable glorious battle Gilliman Dorn the lion all these like Russ they really enjoyed

they love to gloat well maybe Gilliman a little less maybe he just likes to do bookkeeping but they love to be known for their actions they love to have their praises sung and the con didn't care. And the white scars

in a sense didn't care about that. They cared about the actual battle. Though at the same time, because of that, everyone just kind of forgot about them. They just kind of forgot that the white scars were around very often because of that. And it actually pissed a lot of them off.

Pissed a lot of the white scar off, right? Because they're being forgotten, even though they're like fighting as harder, maybe, and they're actually winning battles and they're doing just as well. And it's like, well, you're going to fucking forget me. Fuck you.

Yeah, but at the same time, they never like, they got really annoyed, but they never changed their way of war. They literally did the exact same thing. And they never tried

to be more gloaty. They never once changed the way they fought in order to be known better. They hated that no one cared about them and no one gave them any mind. But at the same time,

they didn't change their morals, which is actually pretty admirable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Which is humorous because the white scars, I may have said this before, but now that I've read this, I might say it again. There's a lot of factors that go into the Horace heresy. I think the white scars may have been the biggest change

in the entire heresy. I do vaguely remember them having a big role to play in the heresy. I don't remember if it was, they were one of the few loyalists that were guarding Tara. That is correct. And they were holding off hordes of chaos and they were doing it pretty fucking well. The thing is is that it was unsure which side they would go on.

You know, as you were talking about them getting no respect and them getting forgotten, I was like, man, that seems like, that seems like if somebody offered them a better job, chaos, they might just take it since nobody was respected. them and they were all just kind of forgetting they were there and Rogel Dorn and Gilliman are being kind of bitches about the way they

fight. It's possible. I could see loyalists legions being like yeah? I mean that was kind of the Iron Warriors but it was also the fact that Daddy gave the fun job to Dorn and Perchirabo did not

like that, which is one of the reasons why I call him a petulant manchild. Okay. I'm I'm sure I'll be able to piece this all together when we do Iron Warriors. Yeah, I'm sure we will. But so that it's kind of funny because as I was reading this, I thought to myself, how funny is it that everyone forgets about the white scars? And then in lore, everyone forgets about the white scars.

But not only that, because they were one of the biggest factors in the Horace heresy, they are literally, now that the barbarians are at the door, you have the audacity to come to me for help while I was studying the blade. They're literally that meme. They're like, you want, you pay me no mind this whole time. But now that hellorice is there,

now you want my help, huh? They're actually, I studied the blade meme. I can't fucking believe they actually are that. They are. They're Star Wars and I studied the blade. Well done, white scars. It's just a plethora of memes. They're full of memes and everyone forgets about them,

which is sad. Poor guys. They're so cool, though. God. They're really cool. I don't know how hard they went in the Mongolian stuff back in the day. I don't know if they kind of like cultured them up in the last 10 years or so, but it's pretty cool. They've got jet bikes and motorcycles.

I mean, it's not really a Mongolian thing. They did kind of doll them up a little bit. Well, the Mongolians were very quick. You know, they came on their horses and they had lots of cavalry. I'm assuming that's where they went that way. but anywho, all this stuff going on, yada, yeah, yeah. There's lots of battles now I'm skipping over because this is the con episode. Yeah, sure.

But when we got to the heresy itself, this is when things actually started to take a really interesting term. So after a bit, the white scars were on, they were like a five-year war with the orcs. Whoa. Like a long as war. Was this like an actual wa? Because it's a war. Was it an actual Wai campaign that the orcs were launching? Or was it just a separate little offensive against maybe just a planet that was getting

overrun with orcs? My mind tells me that it was a waugh. But it was a five-year war. It was a long-ass war. It was going on for quite a while. They were dealing with a bunch of orc problems. It was a pretty seriously long campaign. I'm assuming it took five years.

It was probably a Wawa. But regardless, they were fighting off these orcs for a long-ass- time. And then what happened after this point was that during this situation, he actually was getting an order from Horace. And Horace

said, hey, Russ has turned traitor and driven by his hatred for Magnus the Red has utterly decimated the Thousand Suns. Oh. Which, as you might remember, Con

was kind of chill with Magnus. Yeah. and they said that that Magnus had actually died by Russ's hands and that was no that was it didn't but that was kind of weird and if you remember the ruin storm that Erebus created way back Wem this was starting to make lots of astropath communication really confusing to the white scars

at first it was that thing from Horace but then he got another report from Rogal Dorn that said return to Terra as soon as possible to defend the home world against traitors along with me and Russ.

Me and Russ are defending Terra. Get here now. And so that was confusing. And then he was, they were ordered, the white scars were ordered to reinforce the Alpha Legion that were currently being

attacked by the Iron Hands because Ferris Manus had killed Full Grim and then the Mars and the Mechanicum were in full revolt against the Emperor Oh man, that's a That's a lot This is all coming into the same time And it was

And Jagatai Did the one thing no other fucking Primark would ever do And he waited Well, I mean No, no, no, no, think about this clearly The bike boys The speed demons Waded and thought it out

What an absolute big dick man This guy is to be like Hmm I should think about this Yeah, and it's so uncharacteristic Too because like you said They're all about like moving fast Get to the battle

Battle battle battle pride in the battle Pride in the fight But I mean I guess when you have so much conflicting information and none of it makes sense, I guess really the smartest thing you can do is just wait that shit out, right? Because you don't want to like, oh yeah, let's, let's, let's, uh, I, I literally got something from the war master that said Russ is a fucking traitor. I'm getting something from Dorn saying that they're actually not traitor and they're trying to defend. It's like, fuck all of it. We're just going to sit here. Wait it out. It's a

surprisingly smart thing to do for someone that seems very gung-ho to get to a fight. Shai, did you make that image right now? Or was that, did you find, God damn it, Shy? I can't believe you went out of your way to make that goddamn meme. When you were having premarital sex, I mastered the jet bike.

You know, I gotta be honest, it's a good thing the white scars don't have premarital sex because they come a little fast, wouldn't you say? Oh, for Pete's sake. Oh, stop. Yeah, okay, you get the drum on that. I'll pick the drum.

Give him the drum set. She made that meme during the episode. As far as I'm concerned, I get to do that. We're over here being as professional as can be, and shy's over here making memes. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyway, then he received a communication from Russ and said, Alferius Omegon is beating my son.

spinkerin. Okay. Because after the fight on Prospero, the Alpha Legion came to fuck up the space wolves because they were really wounded and like, help me Jagatai. And Jagatai said, I am not picking sides right now.

I don't know what's going on. Best of luck, Russ. I'm going to figure out what's happening. Good luck, dude. And then he bailed. And so what happened is actually, he went to depart from the system he was at with all the orcs. And then they encountered that gigantic Alpha Legion of Flotilla

that you remembered from the Alpha Legion episode. Oh, right, right, right, right. And the Alpha Legion was not responding to any hails. And quietly, they were accumulating more warships. And they were on the far side of the planet or whatever, the area, the system. And whenever the white scars would move their, ships, the Alpha Legion would mirror them. Whatever they would do, the Alpha Legion would do the same.

Damn. They gave it away. They would do exactly the identical, an identical like motion. But Khan was confused because they knew the Alpha Legion were full trickery assholes. But at the same time, they realized the Alpha Legion was not threatening them. But they weren't there as a friend. either. And it was this really bizarre, quiet game of back and forth. Until eventually, Dorn finally got a major message through to the con, explaining what

was going on. But at the same time, the Alpha Legion had a feeling, or the Khan had a feeling that the Alpha Legion wanted Dorn's communication to arrive. They wanted them to go back to Terra. because that was their overall goal was to get the white scars out. Sure. So this was a big game of cat and mouse for a while, which actually sounds really intense.

I bet it was pretty great in the books, and I wish I had read that. But long story short, eventually the white scars deemed it to leave. And they did that by like blowing their engines at full speed and outrunning the Alpha Legion. They just dipped. And he's like,

Bye-bye. If anybody's going to outrun you, it's going to be the white scar. Yeah, the Alpha Legion didn't really fire on them much, and they got out rather unscathed, which is another question of, was the Alpha Legion actually, you know? Trader, or were they actually loyalists? Yeah, we don't know what was going on there.

They kind of just let them through, and them letting them through is kind of a big deal. It is. So eventually they went to go. try to seek answers to see what was going on. So they actually went over to Prospero to find Magnus and see what the hell is going on because he only ever trusted Magnus.

Oh boy. Yeah, when they reached there, they're like, oh my God. Where's Prospero? It's gone. It's fucking dead. It's burned to the ground. All the pyramids are gone. Yeah. Where's Magnus? He actually ended up speaking to like an apparition of Magnus.

Oh, really? Okay. There's a lot here on his search for the truth that there's a lot here. I would probably read the book in this situation because, holy shit. Though if there's one thing that I do really want to talk about, because I think it's probably the most important part of the calm era, I want to talk about him and Mortarium. Okay. Because we're at 50 minutes or so in this episode already,

and I don't want to take it too long. We also have a White Scars episode after this anyway. Sure. But this, he had a dialogue with Mortarian that might be the, probably my favorite exchange in the Horace heresy stuff. Okay. This is, it's pretty neat. All right. So eventually, in Prospero, Mortarian arrived.

And he was saying, what's up to the con? Obviously, Mortarian right now is very much traitor. And he teleported in to, in. to into the I think they're either standing on Prospero or they're on the ships. I don't really remember I think they may have been on Prospero but wherever they were either that or on a on a flagship

whatever spot they were him he teleported on there along with his elite bodyguard which are known as the Death Shroud which I gotta show you this because like the Death Shroud Terminators are fucking dope

Whoa holy shit. They are really dope. And not only are they really dope, but their minis are really dope. Those are way cooler than regular Terminators.

They have giant sides known as Man Reapers, and purple capes. They're really cool, man. That's, see, this is why I love chaos so much more than, like, loyalists. Like, the Loyalist Terminators look fine, but they're like these big, blocky things.

And then you look at the chaos shit and it's like, holy, oh, it's so, ah, it's so much better. It's so much more interesting. Oh, God. Also, I'm surprised that Jagatai Khan couldn't smell these motherfuckers coming a mile away. Oh, they teleported in. Oh, right, right. I'm surprised he couldn't smell them from orbit, though.

I mean, like, there you go. That's better. There you go. Well, don't forget Mortarian was there. He probably smelled him next to the solar system away. But anyway, he teleported. him and they ended up having a wonderful conversation. And this is a really interesting part because Mortarian was there to convince him.

He would to convince him to join a traitor. He, after this time, he specifically stated, quote, I have plenty to tell you, Jagatai, there are opportunities here. The cost of error has never been higher and the rewards beyond imagination. and they were doing a little bit of a back and forth and so the con was kind of kind of being blunt and say what you've come to say Mortarian or Terry kind of did like a mocking bow to him

and it's like I have come here to what was it like he said you were not meant to be here you were meant to join the Alpha Legion on Alaxis and Con said or you know return to Terra. And Terry and said, well, we didn't wish that. Why would we? The Alpha Legion held us at Chandex.

They wanted us to hear from Dorn. He was like, oh, really? You surprised me. Or perhaps you shouldn't. It seems that Alferius is never wholly of one mind. He plays a dangerous game. Like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Indeed.

It's like, so why you? And why not me, brother? It's like, I assumed it would be Horace. He's like, ah, vanity. He has many things to keep him busy And so Horace didn't send you, did he? That means nothing

It's like it means everything Magnus told me how the war stands Some souls are still to be decided on There were always those of us on edge I was one of them and you were another So it was two people who are kind of Wishy-washy talking to each other Um

And so Mortarian states They said all of this led by Horace And he's kind of shrugged He's the start He's the champion The sacrificial king He may burn himself out to get to Terra He may not

Either way there will be room for others to rise You should never have thrown your lot in with the angel brother Let alone Magnus I hated to see it the three of you Getting dragged in deeper I always thought you'd break away See through it get tired of the hypocrisy.

And kind of responds, they were never hypocrites. He's like, no, I hope you would understand them sooner. It's the warp, jagatai. Our father tried to pretend it wasn't there as if he weren't already up to his elbows in the soul-sucking filth. It should have been cordoned off,

put away, forgotten about. It's not for us. It's a sickness and a blight. And so naturally, Mortarians, like, I don't like the warp, sir. sure you don't sure sure oh so

mortarian with their little you know go back and forth I want to read the whole thing because it's quite long yeah yeah um but uh con says but it's gone wrong hasn't it you have completed your great mission but there are more sorcerers than ever

Horace has sponsored them Lorgar has shown them new tricks if Magnus has not already made up his mind then he soon will and you will be surrounded You've destroyed the librarians only to find the witches are now untrammeled. They played you well. You have done their work for them, and soon you will be dragged into it yourself. As warpsick as they are.

I see it perfectly. Magnus has showed me your Legion may be free of it for now, but the change will come. You've made your packs, and now they will come to collect. You fool. And that is why you came to me. You've run out of friends. Who will stand with you against the Ether Weavers now? Angron?

What an ally. Curse? Good luck. You've tasted the fruits of treachery and found them bitter. Don't drag me into your ruin. You're on your own, brother. Oh, fuck. He fucking just incinerates him with words.

Damn. That's like a bolter shell to the heart. Damn. It fucked him up. And this is one of my more favorite. things that he says is I came to give you a choice Mortarian said keeping his voice under some

control. Half your legion have already declared for Horace. The others will follow whenever you order them. Our father's time is over. You can be a part of the order that replaces him. And the Khan smiled and said, quote, a new emperor. Because that was the idea

Jagatai. He's like, dad has problems. Fuck, yeah, he does. I get tired of law of shit. No one gave me any mind. But Horace will just be another biggie. Yeah. If he even makes it. You've come to me for help because you're surrounded by witches

and you, you tasted treachery and you don't like it. You're the only boys that are with you that don't like sorcerers are Angron and Curz. What allies. Great allies. Yeah, real slick. That's going to be helpful assets. Yeah.

Oh, boy. The last words they said to each other before they started beating the shit out of one another was, Mortarian says, then you will not be persuaded, a shame. I invested much energy to save you, brother, and I shall take no pleasure in your destruction. And Kahn says, that's the difference between us. By the time I kill my enemies, I am always smiling. Oh, boy. And then they beat the shit out of each other, and then Mortarians like, got to go, bye, then teleports away.

Well, at least you tried, right? At least, hey, you tried. Good, good work. I, there's a part of me that was, I know they don't go chaos, but I would love to see what a chaos white scar looked like. I don't know if like a small part of them did. I thought a small portion of them did,

but I don't quite remember. I would love, love to see like how, cool they would look if they had like the influence of chaos on them and their and their bikes and like would they get turned into like fucking transformers you know and be able to turn into

they're like demonly merged with their bikes exactly like they're actually like the bike and they can like transform into it and then transform out of it into like in a starty's like crazy looking motherfucker that'd be cool also I didn't realize on the the

death guard Terminator they have little tentacles that come out and wrap around the scythe too and it's very creepy Oh yeah, the Death Shroud Terminators Yeah, they look disgusting They have the tentacles come out And help them wield the site

That's very gross I don't, oh boy Not a fan? Not a fan because it's gross But at the same time it's really fucking cool It is, it's very cool Actually, funny enough Like, when you talked about

Going into someone's armor There's actually a chaos model I will show you now called an obliterator. This guy, it's kind of like, he kind of grew into his armor in a weird way, like his muscles are kind of bulging out. Yeah, you can see his muscles coming out of his arms,

his shoulder, his thigh, damn. Yeah, that thing is really nasty and weird, but it's also kind of has that vibe to it, where imagine if he kind of broke his way out like that, but into white scar, like a bike. Yeah, that'd be great. Like maybe like lots of little tentacle feet beneath the bike that can like run really fast or something. I don't know.

Just some creepy shit like that. Yep. That's not the thigh fetish that most people want. I have plenty of thigh fetishes. And that's not the one I'm looking for. No, sir. Nope. That's not that guilty gear thigh physics.

That's, uh, well, I mean, there's, there's thigh physics, but not, that's, that's like monkey paw. Like, oh man, I wish there were more, I wish there were more thighs in 40K. And the monkey paw curls. Oh, no. girls. Congratulations. Here's an obliterator. Oh, no.

Not the, these aren't the thighs you were looking for. These are not the thighs. More Star Wars. More Star Wars. You got it. You got to keep it the theme. But at the end,

through after the conversation and all, that was, I don't, I think that Jagatai already kind of made up his mind prior to that, but he was, you know, this is obviously where he's fully loyal.

and the con ended up, of course, making his way back to Terra and was instrumental in the defense of Terra along with Rogal Dor. He was hugely important. Yeah. In fact, so much so that I actually believe that the Khan and Dorn were the people that helped carry the emperor to the golden throne after his close demise. I think he was also teleported onto the vengeful spirit with Horace. Yeah, I remember something like that.

remember he was very pivotal and he was um yeah i think you're right i think he did help carry uh the emperor to the golden throne and do a lot of it was him and him and dorn had the emperor in like a shoulder each or something yeah um that being said that was kind of the end for jagotai for a while because of course the horace heresy ended uh but then we come to the part that's kind of dumb and i don't like uh after some time later after the horace heresy there was just like yada yada of things going on. He went back to Chigoris and he was like, oh my god, the Dukari or taking all my people for slaves. And then he fought the Dukari for like 70 years, trying to kill a shitload of Dukari. And then at some point, he chased the Dukari really

fast in his goddamn bike into the webway. And he was never seen again. Oh, what? That's, that's it? Well, I mean, he's probably alive. He's out there somewhere, but we just don't know. Most most prime arcs that are loyalists just kind of disappeared like nine of them just are gone and that's one of the things where GW kind of had to do this thing

where they needed a reason for them to not be around and so his is he wanted Eldar booty and he's gone he wanted to kill all the Eldar that were ravaging his home world why did the Primarchs have to be gone because Primarks are really important and makes it sadder with heresy

and you know Dorn is presumed dead Gilliman was in stasis for now, now he's not, the lion is asleep, Corvus Korox is in the warp, Lehman Rus is in the warp, Jagatikon is in the Webway, you know, Ferris Manus

is dead, Vulcan is somewhere, I don't fucking know what's up with Vulcan now. He's waiting at his respawn timer. That's fucking great. Did you make that up? Just now. Just made that up. That's fantastic. He's waiting for respawn. Hey, he's waiting for the respawn timer.

You know, in like a mob or something when you die and it's like more times you die. He's waiting out his respawn timer. He's got a hour long game and his response timer's gotten really long right now. It's like, god damn. He's been around for centuries. That respawn timer's got to be through the fucking roof, dude. That's so funny. That's good.

That's fantastic. But yeah, everyone's very, everyone's very much like just kind of gone. And so is Jagatai. And that kind of sucks. Yeah. He's definitely a more prominent option to bring back. If you're going to like, I want to bring back a primark. Him and I'd say the lion are probably the best choices.

Yeah. Because the lion is literally just asleep. He's just taking a nap somewhere. Just, man, boy, that Horace Harris, he really took it out of me. I'm going to go take a cat nap. It's been a thousand years. It's been 10,000 years. thousand years late there.

The one SpongeBob meme I know. Oh yeah, just the narrator in general. Yeah, yeah, just the X amount of years later. That's it. Sorry. But that's mostly the con. He's pretty neat. And yeah, like his whole

upbringing is kind of boring. But his actual like coming around how he dealt with the heresy, how he waged war. It is canonical to forget about him. Aw.

Which is unfortunate, but he's pretty cool. For the kid, I'll say the kid, but the young, the young upstart, the guy with not the biggest legion out there and the guy that was always forgotten about made some of the largest and most important changes in the Horace heresy. Without the con, there's a good chance that Rogel Doorn and the fists would have been outnumbered. Yeah. And that would have been the end of it all. But, alas.

Alas. Which, man, now I'm really starting to think that the Alpha Legion really are playing both sides. Because if the Alpha Legion had, like, stood their ground a little bit, fought the White Scar for a little bit, and just bought some time. Maybe buying that time, you know, Horace can take over Tara and white scars don't get back in time. and you know. You would hope? Yeah, so.

And then it was just kind of like, eh. Eh? And they, well, yeah, they've been a little bit. Yeah, and here we are. So anyway, shall I take us out? Yeah, take us home. Country roads. It's a brick on bricky and everywhere. Thank you all so much for watching.

Of course, you can find me Bricky Everywhere, streams, YouTube, etc., etc. DK D.Diamondi's everywhere, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch. Yeah. And you can find Shy quite shallow, quite shy. Uh, episode over. Goodbye. Bye.