Adeptus Ridiculous - KRIEG | Warhammer 40k Book Review and Discussion

Episode Date: May 1, 2022

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Now I'm not. Yeah, I mean, you know, I got my vaccines and all that, and it feels like a shitty, like a very light flu slash tough cold. Doesn't feel like, like there's always like a con crud you get afterwards, right? Oh, sure, sure. There's always con flu. Yeah, yeah. It feels like con flu.

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Ow. Yeah, that's no fun. Ow. Anyway, speaking of, speaking of massive collateral damage, let's talk about our book. Yeah, and speaking of always make sure to wear your masks, right? Hey, hey, a good, good.

It's Cree. Dean Kaven, I'm so proud of you. Let's go. It's Cree. It's Creeg. It's Creeg by Steve Lyons. Released, was it April this year? No, it must have been earlier.

No, no, I forgot we're still in April. I'm stupid. Like February, March. Okay. This year, though. Like, damn. I think it just came out when we were finishing up our last book, which that was rain, right? Yes. I want to say yes. Yes. Yeah. I think it was twice that King Rain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so Krieg, the, uh, the story of Krieg, the actual book very, uh, book version of the, um, the Krieg story. Basically. Like the, I think, I think, because we kind of know what happened, but I don't know we have like a legitimate book going through the entirety of how it happened.

happened. And that's what we got. Yeah. So, not my favorite book, but I don't know if it's like because we did like a full ass episode on Krieg. So like we knew what was going to happen. Like we knew about the Yerty Purgy and all that. Yeah. So like I feel like I went into this maybe expecting not necessarily like, because it almost felt like a historical documentation of what happened on Krieg and what happened on, um, uh, shit, what was the, what was the current time? Oh.

Oh. It was getting invaded by orcs? Um, I don't, I don't remember the name of it, but I know it's in the Octarius War. So it's like current time situations. Yeah, it was in the Octarius War. And like, whenever they went to the Octarius War, it felt like it really started to drag.

Like you would just get... Man, you're killing my voice today. But yeah, it would just, like, you would get this big battle with, like, the Imperium and the Orcs, and it would just drag on for, like, an entire chapter. And it just...

And you only got it from, like, the Imperium perspective, and it just felt like it just really dragged on. And, like, I get it, because you need to have, like, here's what the Krieg are now. Here's what they were when Yerty was here. And here. how much they contrast.

And it just, I don't know, it felt like it dragged, like, way too much when they went back to, like, Octarius wartime. So, we were talking about this before the episode. It seems that there's a lot of people who were like this book. And that's great, very pleased that everyone is enjoying it

and getting some creak representation out there. Everyone likes their creak. Everyone loves their creak voice. Shovels. Me and D.K. are not those people. No. I think both of us are a bit lukewarm on this.

book. And it's, I think you mentioned it earlier. It's like a historical documentation. That's kind of how I felt reading this book is I felt like I was reading a history book. Yeah. And the history book, like, okay, the standout of the book is Colonel Yerden. He's the best part of the book, not even question.

I literally had a hard time remembering the names of the other side characters. I know of Yurtain's daughter Yep Yep There's the Cadian chick And then Van Bruin He's the Inquisitor, right? Yeah, Van Burenne is the Inquisitor

Renick is the Cadian As the female Cadian Guard, Captain Captain Yeah There's like the Cadyin general as well Who's around And he's kind of like

Ooh these Kriegman are all up in my shit Yeah And it was Krauss that took over after the big traitor dude died, the one that was like, hey, guess what? Kregis seceding from the Imperium because fuck them. They don't deserve imperial tithes. Yeah. Right.

It's not right. It's not like that. So I agree that the more exciting. So the book flatched between two perspectives. There is the perspective back in the day of basically, like, like how Krieg became Krieg. And then there's the modern day perspective. And the purpose of the modern day perspective is clear.

It's, all right, this is how Krieg became Krieg. And then this is how people react to Krieg. Like what do they like in a war scenario? How do they fight? How are they as an army? And the weird off-putting that they create from all the people around them because the Canadians don't like them because they're weird. They are very weird.

Don't the Acadians also not like them because, like, um, don't the Cadians feel a little like, oh, well, they're willing to die for this? Like, what the fuck? I'm a Cadian guard. I'm supposed to be the big bad. What do you mean they're willing to die? They can't be willing to die. I'm the best.

And, yeah, they feel a little upstage because of just how, like, crazy determine the Krieger. And they're absolutely willing to die for, for the Imperium because, you know, the history of their planet is, uh, A little heretical. A little heretical. I think that's one of the big misses. There are two big parts. Okay. There's a lot of parts of the book that I'm not a huge fan on.

I think the book gets, it hits its stride early on. I think its best parts are during and right after the secession, which did you somewhat listen to the fat aristocrat? kind of like agree with him a little bit. Oh, when he was describing like why he wanted to like leave the Imperium and how it's like, oh, they're just taking our children and instead of them growing up and living their dreams, they have to go and die for for the emperor who we never see or hear from. Like he's a greedy, he's like a greedy like overweight kind of classic trope or Socrac kind of guy.

Yep. But he's kind of right. Yeah, you know, when he was first described. I was like, I mean, he's not wrong. It's not the worst concept, no. Yeah, it's just, unfortunately, you're in the Imperium. You can't think like that in the Imperium. Sucks, you're about to get nuked.

Have fun. Yeah, so. Yeah, I find myself strangely being like, man, that makes a little bit of sense, actually. I'm not I agree with him I'm not supposed to Well I think we are supposed to Because the Imperium are fucking awful

That's fair The Imperium are terrible I think they could have ran that angle A little bit more Because Okay so like I I've been doing a lot of RTS Gameplay lately

And I'm getting really back Into command of conquer Kane's wrath again It's so goddamn good Um But there's the Oh that's Red Alert 3 sir Oh, damn it. It's still a great one.

I don't play RTSs. Damn it. Still. It's always a good time for that reference. So one of the evil factions, the Brotherhood of Nod, there's a unit you can create

called Fanatics, and they're literally suicide bombers. They come out and they say, because Cain is their big leader, so they literally say our lives for Cain and they run it, you wouldn't explode, they do a fuckload of damage.

And they're very cheap to produce, and, you know, that's what it is. And it's like, I kind of wish Krieg was seen more like that like I mean obviously the protagonist here

and like Colonel Yerden is our protagonist Oh but man He's He's a fucking zealot Oh my God Oh yes I was kind of surprised

With how much of like An imperial emperor Imperium zealot He actually was Like he If you even have the slightest doubt in the emperor, he is probably going to kill you. He has consistently taken anyone who was even like sharing the same room as the big aristocrat guy

and he lined them up with bags over their heads and shot them. Yeah, he is a, like I was expecting, I wasn't quite expecting. I'm not sure why. I mean, I guess it's 40K. If you are extraordinarily zealous belief in the emperor, you're going to be like that. Like, you're not going to be a great person. You're going to be this sort of staunch, kill anyone that doesn't agree with the emperor kind of guy.

So I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised, but yeah, he was. He's a rough one. And if the thing is, I think that's the problem that reaches into the book is, I don't think they play it enough. I think the book kind of gets this idea where you don't get enough of the rebel side and you get a lot of like matter-of-fact stuff. And I think the battles drag for way too long. Oh, yeah.

The battle scenes are by far my least favorite parts of the book. None of their, they're not written well, but because the characters I don't particularly care enough for that their deaths won't mean a lot to me. Yeah. Um, you know, we, we, we go back a bit and we, we look at Gant's Ghosts, for example, like, every, like, despite there's a lot of them in the first book, like, I, I don't, I'm spooked when they're going down in that creepy STC tunnel and was the major Ron is like kind of having that tick and you kind of like, oh, God, what's going to happen? You know, they, they set this stuff up, but they're just fighting orcs. Yeah. And I think, oh, go ahead. Oh, well, I was going to say, it's just, it's a lot of descriptor. Like, it's just, like, description after, like, there's no. there's not a ton of character interaction.

Like, the only thing from a battle I remember being amused at is when the squigs got into the camp and they were trying to find them. Oh, yeah, and they were buying people and, yeah, that was fun. That was fun, but, like, any... That was fun because it was orcs, though. It wasn't fun because it was creed. Yeah, I know.

But, yeah, it was just like these really long chapterful battles. and I don't know, it just didn't do it for me. Yeah, I think we both agree that the book felt a little too dull. And I think that's actually maybe why there's a lot of Krieg fans who really like it, because we always joke that Imperial Guard fans are over 30 and like to smoke meats or their big World War II fans and stuff. And Krieg fans are generally hyper-history nerds. To my Krieg fans out there, you know it's true.

Don't lie. You guys fucking love your World War I, World War II history. You love it so much. You've got, there's no way in hell you don't play one of those side mini games on your own. You are absolutely loading up World of Tanks right now. I know it. I know it. I know it's happening.

War Thunder, etc. I'm aware. And that's fine. If you're a big World War I fanatic and you like your historical documents, I mean, I mean, this kind of checks all the boxes for you as like a crepeat. If those are your interests, this book will absolutely like just, it'll be the best thing you've ever read. Right. Yeah.

That's the whole thing is that they just, this is what they hope for. They got how did Kriegs start? What are Kriegsmen like? And they got it in a very classic dry nature. And I think that they could have still gone the point across. while making it more interesting. One, there needed to be way more development with Colonel Yerden as daughter. Oh, yeah.

The fact that she dies off screen, I think, is really aggravating to me. Yeah, I was shocked that they were just like, oh, yeah, by the way, did you know she died in the infiltration? Yeah, I watched her die. Ha! And it's like, wait, what? Like when they first said it, I thought they were joking and they were just using that as a, like, I was like, oh, she's got to be a P-O-W, and he's just telling Yerton that she's dead to, you know,

get a rile out of him, and she's going to escape, she's going to come back, and she's going to, you know, do some shenanigans with her father and their relationship's going to grow, and then it was like, nope, she's just dead. She's dead dead dead. She died while infiltrating what's his face's palace and killing him.

And Kraus knew every exit that she would use, because Kraus knew that she was a traitor, so he killed her. And it's like, oh. Like, it's bizarre because I kind of get the point they're going for they're going for like oh he's so zealous as to the emperor that even

his own daughter is just one other sacrifice you know but I think they could have spent more time either together having her like still be on his side but maybe a little bit less insane and trying to maybe pull him down a little bit and they get in arguments

about that or you know the need of sacrificing you know that kind of thing like weighs on him where he starts to double you know double like think about it is this really the right idea you know like it's because i'm gonna lose my daughter thing but they weren't really they didn't know each other very well yeah they really did so it's a little hard there's a whole angle you could have played there that i felt like just didn't occur i honestly thought they were going to play up the like because when his daughter was like oh hey

yurton dad let me let me go infiltrate this place i know the best i was stationed there i was with him you know, let me go. Like his first reaction was like, um, is, is this what you told him when you turned on him to come see me? And he was doubtful of her resolve. So I was like,

oh shit, they're planting these seeds of like, damn, I'm doubting whether my daughter is actually loyal to my cause or if she's here as like a double agent like she was supposed to be and she's just going to go back to him and give him all this info. I thought that was going to be this huge plot. And it wasn't.

It just kind of dipped. and it just kind of dipped. It subverted my expectations, shy, yes. Ha-ha, it subverted your expectations, did it? Uh-huh. No, I agree. It was a very, very odd angle to take it. And it's also one of the reasons why I think that the Octarius stuff was a bit of a mistake on who they fought and who they were with.

Like, it's like, okay, so Kriegsmen are the big, crazy, insane, like, we'll all die for the emperor thing. but Acadians are soldiers from birth Like they're not a whole lot off They're just not as grim dark and creepy They're a little bit more like regular World War II soldiers But they're still very much hyper Like born child soldiers And having them fight orcs

Like I feel like I feel like you needed to make it not the Cadians You need to be like a local militia because then you could see like the hyper difference between the two of them and then and how just like oh my guys people are totally fucking insane and maybe it shouldn't have been orcs

maybe they should have fought like dark Eldar or something you know like something a little bit more disgusting as like a parallel to show like how awful the like the dark Eldar might be but like the sheer uncaring loss of life the Kriegsman

also deal with like some kind of yin and yang but uh but yeah like fighting orcs yeah the canyans get mega upstaged but yeah the canyans get mega mega like cadians are like the biggest guard regiment out there they're fucking super important like some kind of yeah you know you know it looks like a penal legion shai makes a good point a penal legion who only fights because they have to versus the people who fight because they like want to die because they want to

yeah could have really could have really shown a nice little bit of that dynamic, but basically you took a bunch of 10 out of 10 zealots and you mixed them with a 9 out of 10 zealots and it wasn't going to have the same effect. And the 9 out of 10 zealots got fucking dunked on. Like they got dunked on.

They really struggled, yeah. Yeah. It was a little unfair actually. I thought they kind of got a bad rap. I still feel like they showed the Cadians' desire to like, you know, we're totally willing to sacrifice ourselves for the emperor. Like they still

they still portrayed that pretty well. Because there was that meeting in the battle where they were like, the Krieg General was kind of like, okay, yeah, we're going to fortify this position. And I think like one of the Acadian generals was like, are you stupid? You're going to lose like half your regiment. And he's like, yeah, but, you know, we're willing to die for the emperor. So fuck it. We'll do it.

So I think, you know, that still got across. Oh, sure. The Cadians ended up. looking real bad. Oh, no, I mean, I believe... I believe the whole part with them with them going to die for the emperor and stuff. But I think the problem is that

two, like, if you want to show off how insanely devoted the Kriegsmen are, maybe don't mix them with a regiment that is like almost the same amount. Yeah, mix them with something like kind of lower. It's the reason why, I mean, you know, I almost seem for the Night Lord's books, but it's the reason why Octavia

is an important addition to the first book because she's so massively out of her element. You already have the crazy difference between the Space Marines and, like, Septimus, who's a slave. But then you have the difference between Septimus who's massively indoctrinated as a slave and then someone who's a new arrival. So who's also devoted to the emperor

and having her break down and become a heretic, you know? It's like that contrast. Yeah, that contrast. It's important. And I think it loses a bit of that. Also, like, orcs are great. I love orcs. They're always fun to see fighting, but I don't know.

I feel like maybe they need some kind of, like, hey, look in the mirror kind of enemies. Like, something a little more dastry. Chaos wouldn't have been bad. Some creepy chaos cultists. Yeah, unfortunately, like, with the orcs, it's like, if you have the orcs, you've got to focus some time on how goofy, crazy, wild they are. and uh the squigs helped but yeah the squigs definitely helped but other than that is like oh yeah they're fighting orcs i kind of forgot and it's like oh man but they're orcs are hilarious like orcs are a

great way to bring some levity into a uh an otherwise grim dark situation so i mean granted they they wrote creaksman pretty well yeah if you're a creak fan and you want to see the creig shine here you go there's another book apparently called uh Dead Man Walking Or dead men walking Yeah yeah That's apparently another Creeg novel as well

And apparently it's a bit stronger When it comes to the actual Kriegsman type stuff But I feel like they got the personality across Pretty well in this one I liked Despite him being crazy man I thought Colonel Yurtain was was easily the best character

He was very interesting And very good and he had a Just that frightening demeanor about him Yeah Whenever Yurton's speaks, it's like, okay, everybody listen. He just sort of like commands the room. And it was always good when Yerton was on screen.

There were a lot of times when they'd go back to like present time. I'm like, man, get back to Yerton. I don't care how they're doing against the orcs. They're struggling. They're dying. Okay, Krieg being Krieg. Let's get back to Yerty. Let's get back to Yurtie.

I need more Yurtie. You know what? That would have been a good part if his daughter was in one of the areas that would have been in the splash damage and he does it anyway because he's just so insane. Because it's for the emperor. He needs to get back at them. He can't let the traitors have the planet.

He does whatever it takes. He chooses the Imperium over family. Like he's that, he's that insane. And it shows that level of, like, dedication to the emperor that the Kriegsman have. That would have been all right. Yeah. Because he was struggling with doing it. Like, he didn't really want to do it.

Even his aide was like, look, Krause, you guys got to, you guys got to. You guys got to step back. The motherfucker's crazy. I don't know what he's going to do. I'm not scared of what you're going to do. I'm scared of what you are going to force him to do. So, yeah, if his daughter had been in the splash zone for the bombing, that would have been really interesting. And if he had to, like, grapple with that and struggle with that.

Yeah, I mean, he grapple with a little bit. But I don't know. I mean, he wasn't way back in the day when we first did the Kreege, uh, ever. episode. My immediate mindset was that image of Dr. Robotnik pushing the button really excitedly. Yeah. You know, with Jim Carrey. And he's just like, oh, the easy push. I imagine he just was newkin people for the hell of it. But I'm glad that he grapple with at least a little bit. Yeah. There was definitely some turmoil with actually pushing the button. There needed to be a bit more for me to like, I almost wish they, I almost wish the creeps.

were like the villains. I actually, I like a story where you play as, I don't know, maybe some Eldar or just like a, like a random planet that seceded or something. Just, just, I,

like a Tao, Tao's not bad either. Yeah, Tao would work. Necrons? Nah, necrons are too strong. I need someone to literally stare in like the gas mask of the Kriegsmen and like make them like fucking horror,

horror villains. Tau. You know? I think Tau would be interested in that. Like a Tau, like a Tau, like Tau civilians under siege or something like that. You know, just that kind of idea because they're just, they're so evil, Kreeksman. Yeah. They're not as like, um, torturous and gory.

Oh, they look awful. They look horrifying. They are absolutely horror villain fodder. That would be super interesting from a Tau point of view, like being on the other. end of just like the Imperium invading and them sending the death core after you. I mean they look Especially with their riders and their horses with the masks

too. I mean, do you remember the old Killzone games? Oh yeah, they had those sort of mass soldiers, didn't they? They literally did and if I'm not mistaken, I think they were also German. Yeah, because I got the gas masks and the big red fucking eyes and their helmets look more like

World War II helmets, but like Killzone Like, it's pretty similar. It's shockingly similar. Man, those covers always made me want to play the Kill Zone games. Because I just thought those, whatever those troopers are, looked so fucking cool. I never did play Kill Zone, but, yeah.

They were called the Hellgast, or Hellgast, I think, because, you know, because subtlety. Because subtlety. Fair enough, fair enough, should I? Fair enough. Yeah, I'm, Kill Zone games, they were fine. They were a little generic.

They were fine. Oh, that's a shame. They have such cool covers, though. They reminded me a lot of the early 2010s, et cetera, area of, like, gray shooters. Oh. They're not bad, but they didn't really sell me. They didn't really sell me in too much, no. Dime a dozen shooter.

Hells on 2 was fun, though. Okay. But, yeah, they remind me a lot of that, and they were the villains in those games, the Hellgast. and so having that kind of group as the villains I feel like that that's a bit of a misopportunity really just having them get their ass kicked by the creig or having the creig be the main you see like the way they march

obviously march in the very classic way and how discipline they are and just the bright fucking gas masks all of them just unflinching staring at you it's fucking creepy yeah that would be very creepy yeah agreed It adds I think it adds more to it

I feel bad because the writing of the book isn't bad The writing of the book is is perfectly fine It's just it's not too interesting Like the like the play-by-play writing is fine But the overarching story Yeah It's a well-written book Like nothing against Steve Lyons writing ability

Because it's fine It's just yeah It just comes across as more of a historical document than really sort of the entertaining read that I kind of thought it would be. Though there were a few twists and turns that were pretty

interesting and that, you know, were not known before. So it still had some, but yeah, it felt mostly kind of... It was almost flat for me. We know that we now know a confirmation that the Kriegman absolutely do use fucking like, like, rebirthing vats, whatever the hell

they're called. Yeah, Vite wombs. Yes, those things. They absolutely use those in order to repopulate themselves. They are test two babies. Yeah, yeah. But I forget, did they, is the DNA they used for

the test two babies? Was it from Yerden? Um, I don't know that they specifically said, actually. Thinking back on it, I don't, I think they just, said, like, because all Greel said was like, oh yeah, Yerton on his deathbed, like an hour before he died, he was like, yeah, go ahead, do the vitae wombs.

Our future and our children are the most important thing. And then after that, I'm not sure they specifically say. Like, I kind of just thought that they just used Krieg DNA and just put it in this vitae womb and just grew a new Kriegsman. um i i i i don't know if i just didn't read it right or i wasn't paying attention but i don't i don't remember i don't remember that myself because i thought i remember the um the whole like the the troopers afterwards there's like a thought process that the troopers they never gave their name right um uh no i don't i don't think so in the octarious uh world

Yeah, and I thought that there was something that to go along with the line that like All troopers are named like Yurtain Because they're all fucking from the Yurton thing Oh, right, right But I guess that would be kind of dumb Because then they couldn't really do tactics Would they just be a number?

Thinking back on it, wasn't there a part where Van Buren wanted the Kriegsman to take their masks off Because he was like, oh, I'm an inquisitor, I need all the facts, I need to see what you guys look like and did they ever specifically say what the Kriegsman looked like no not in the modern day i don't believe because i don't think they ever took off their masks did they

i could have sworn they took them off for van buren and van buren was like oh i see and thinking to the vtay woman like maybe they look the same maybe they were like identical because they're basically just test tube babies they're just clones so maybe they looked identical and he was like whoa that's a little theoretical That might not be the wrong way I don't I don't I remember Because I know Van Bruin's stuff

I was some of the more dull stuff in my opinion I did not find him very interesting at all Yeah same for yeah Because he was an inquisitor too Like you would have been like all kinds of nuts And he was just kind of He was there He's suspicious of what they're doing

Because they're fucking weirdos Yeah Yeah comes around at the end, he's like, oh, hey, hey, like, listen recording, before I die, please, the Krieg, they're great. Although, it seemed like towards the end of the book, they were going for that Jesus motif a little too hard with the Krieg, where it's like, oh, the Krieg have taken on all of our sins so that we can be great. So let us not ask these difficult questions about what Krieg is, lest we don't want to see the errors that are in ourselves. And it's like, whoa, okay. I think you're going It was a little preachy A little bit, a little bit

It was very preachy and I was like I mean they're not Great dude Listen I can tell you Full Stop Kriegsman die like any other guards On the tabletop More willingly though Huh?

Yeah I guess a little bit More happily I think get from a mistake and they don't take like any morale test because they can't run away because they're so you know of course that they shouldn't how dare you they're very special never never impossible the um that's that's uh it's bizarreness though despite despite it all because the yeah the the jesus motif is one way to put it um it's certainly one way to put it but uh yeah i mean if they

all look the same that kind of thing i like i get the whole like all right the creeksmen are obviously here they want to help you know but obviously obviously, Oro-Horeticus and all those guys are very, very hyper-focused down on everything they can find. And so any heretical options on why they're doing what they're doing is certainly something they want to be worried about. Yeah, yeah. I can see why the Oro-Hereticus would keep a close eye on the Krieg. Yeah. I don't like, I want to put on record that I don't like this gif of Garfields in the suits.

I don't like this Creege That might be the Creeg They might be the Creeg They might all just look the same And that's why they never take off their mask Because who cares We all look the same

We're clones, sir We're meant to be expendable Yeah, one of us, one of us, Gubble Gobble, right? Is that? I don't think that's the appropriate I don't know about the... Oh, Jesus.

So anyway, the Creeks So anyway, Creeg, yes. Creege. Yeah, I mean, you know what? That's the hard part when you do book club slash review. Sometimes there's going to be ones you don't like and you got to try to be nice while also explaining that you don't like it. Yeah.

Not really. Krieg book was not really my thing. I think it was too dull. The Octarius stuff in particular really didn't add a whole lot. Yurtan was good. The play-by-play writing was fine, but the overall character development and all that kind of stuff. I think was a bit lacking.

And I'm curious to see how Dead Men Walking stands up to this book. And if anyone in the comments has read both, do share your opinion on it. I have heard that Dead Men Walking is the Superior Krieg book. I've, I mean, online, I've seen some pretty mixed reactions to the Krieg book. There are people that like it and there are people that really don't like it. For the most part, I sort of share Brickie's opinion about. it a little on the dry side. There are a few kind of cool reveals. We get a little more details about how Cree became Creege. And I did kind of like the aftermath of the bombing of

both places and how people are sort of coping with the fact that, uh-oh, this place is going to be irradiated and nigh unlivable for a long time. But yeah, a little, little dry. dragged on in a lot of the battles and yeah, wasn't a big fan. Wasn't a big fan. Well written, but, you know. Yeah, yeah, play that plays fine, but here we are. Here we are.

Here we are. We're very sorry, viewers who are really excited to hear us sing the praises. It was not our big thing. But, you know, we are very dumb. That's true. My brain does not have many wrinkles. So maybe, maybe this book was just too intellectual for me.

It slid right off. Too smooth. Too smooth. Also, just because we don't like a book doesn't mean you can't like a book. Our opinion is not the end-all be-all. If this is literally your favorite literary work that has ever existed, this shouldn't diminish that. It can still be your favorite. That's totally fine.

It's just not for me. are we being too kind Should we grow some backbone and say Yeah, we don't like this book Sucks Well that's what we just did for the last like 38 minutes You're right

We're like hey, we don't like this book You can like it We don't GGs No, DK We need to be angrier Oh shit Well, it's too early in the morning

To be that angry It is too early in the morning And I need drink water Yeah, you've got COVID It's too early in the goddamn morning Whatever Whatever New book

We have to talk about our next book Ah yeah It's gonna be I really hope I'm not disappointed in the next one Because the next one What's it gonna be Bricky It is going to be Gascall Throcka

Prophet of the Wa By Nate Crowley Let's go dude I'm hype for another workbook Who if I'm not mistaken is the, yes, the twice Dead King writer. I am so hype for it.

I am extremely hype. Do we know who narrates it on Audible? Oh, good question. I don't know who does. Because if it's an orc book, we's going to be getting a lot of biscuits. Right? Right?

That's true. And see, the strength of who might do it. You know what I'm looking up on Audible. Yes. I want to know who's, because, you know, I, I have to listen to my stuff on all. We're not sponsored by them or anything,

but we should be. Narrated by Kelly Houghton, Paul Putner, and John Rand. I am not familiar with any of these people. So here we go. Good luck to us. Here again. Good luck. I actually have an idea of what book I'd like to read after this one as well.

So it has some good timing. No spoilers, right? No spoilers, right? book is not too long seven and a half hours only nice clean and succinct and we will uh we will get going there soon oh is that your book that's seven hours or is gaskell seven hours gasckel's a seven and half hours okay cool cool oh yeah that'll be that'll be that'll be nice and yeah yeah cool cool nice and smooth like our brains last couple of bicks have been bicks books uh have been you know nine seven cool yeah nice yeah it's good all right i did

Um, I need, I need to take medication. Yeah, yeah. Briggi needs rest, medication, and less COVID. And I need breakfast. So, bye? So, Shai needs therapy. Oh, God, yeah.