Adeptus Ridiculous - LOGAN GRIMNAR | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://shop.orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousLogan Grimnar is the "Great W...olf" or Chapter Master of the Space Wolves Chapter. He is one of the most belligerent and headstrong Chapter Masters in the Imperium of Man, as well as perhaps the greatest Wolf Lord of all time, yet he remains absolutely loyal to the Emperor of Mankind and the great primarch of the Space Wolves, Leman Russ. Grimnar has been the Great Wolf of the Space Wolves for over 500 of his 700 standard years of life and is one of the oldest Chapter Masters of a Loyalist Space Marine Chapter.Support the show

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Starting point is 00:00:16 Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamante's, his name is Bricky. You know why you're here. And if you enjoy the podcast and maybe you want to support us monetarily, head on over the Patreon, patreon.com slash adeptus Ridiculous, reading it access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen, $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in crispy digital form. You should check it out.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. And with that out of the way, Bricky. Yes, I have a lot to... Okay, so real quick, I apologize for the very large intro that we have going on today. There's a lot we have to cover, and I don't like to have too many ads and things like that in the beginning, and I'm trying to go through it rather simply quickly. Obviously, as a lot of you know, we are having a giant blowout sale for AdRick. You can get a bunch of stuff up to 20% off, including a free Natura Pine Toothpick Pack, all available in the description.
Starting point is 00:01:10 You can check that out. That goes until the end of September. I'll talk more about it next week. And then in addition, this is the more important part. Some of you may have known where recently YouTube has activated the restricted mode for a lot of people. And if you may notice, a lot of folks are having a lot lower in terms of viewership. This is not just happening to us. This is happening to many other folks that I am in contact with.
Starting point is 00:01:38 even the glorious people over at Red Letter Media made a video also talking about it, where randomly it basically just adds a restricted mode on your YouTube, and you are not able to see a large amount of your stuff. So considering the other nightmare from YouTube that we don't really have any control over, and especially considering that we are in a major four-parter series coming up for a 10-plus book research part of it, with Possum and Curiaf. We would like to really make sure that if you can do two things. One, double check you're not in restricted mode that YouTube may have forced upon you.
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Starting point is 00:03:05 at the same time. Yeah, and it's pretty important to go over it because, you know, we want to make sure you guys get the content and nobody's like, you know, hiding it from you. D.K. and Shy? Did you have a good weekend? Uh, yeah, I would say so.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Uh, shy is a Ravens fan, so actually, I don't think she did have a good weekend. I think it was a, I think that kind of plummeted the weekend into bad territory. I enjoy the, I did not in all caps. seeing in the chat.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Maybe. Maybe not. Yeah, football season started. So, hey, it's, you know, Raiders won their first game. I'm happy. Shy, you know. Decate, we've been over this. You can't be a Raiders fan.
Starting point is 00:03:52 You don't have a felony. Oh. Whatever. I'm a, I'm a trailblazer. I'm a trendset. Yeah, they're in Vegas now, though, man. There's no more pride. Well, you know, hey, I've been with them since they were in Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland again.
Starting point is 00:04:12 It's too late. There's no other team to root for. I am stuck in my suffering. All right, that's fair and better. So long as you're not a fan of the Rams. Oh, good luck, Devante, good luck. Well, okay, let me rephrase that. As long as you're not a fan of the Chiefs. You can't be a Raiders fan to be a fan of the Chiefs. It's just... No, no, it goes against the fabric. of your being. Every bone in my body is like
Starting point is 00:04:39 just yeah. And don't have to worry about that one. I get me handing a Yankees hat to the Boston Red Sox player and watching him beat the shit out of me. Their whole body just starts to violently vibrate out of their control.
Starting point is 00:04:55 Yeah. Very true. But all right, DK, today we have an episode about Warhammer. Are you shocked? Wow. We do Warhammer content here crazy. You would be surprised. We found out that
Starting point is 00:05:11 Warhammer has WMDs. Oh. So funny, man. That is an all-timer clip. That's crazy. That Hell Divers quote is just, but that's
Starting point is 00:05:27 just hell divers like style. They just go on the nose and they parody in like a really funny way and you know hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. All right. So I have your mystery quote here. It's a bit of an interesting one. I think we have a 50-50 shot of you getting it. Oh, okay. The old warrior's axe didn't even slow down going through him. Lord Inquisitor Casanaros's head fell from his shoulders rolling and banging down the steps. The body toppled a second later, collapsing back into the command throne. He raised the axe in one hand, roaring a howl to the burning bridge around him. For every crew member reaching for their sidearms, two dozen were abandoning their stations
Starting point is 00:06:18 for the escape pods. Oh, boy. Hmm. So at first I was like, oh yeah, this is like a corrupt inquisitor getting like executed by, I don't know, someone more higher up than him. where he got found of like treason, but now it's just like, oh, this is like a, this is like a chaos invasion of a ship. Everybody's fleeing.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Everybody's running. Hmm. Hmm. So I'm thinking it's something maybe chaos related. If we hadn't just done an episode on corn, I would guess it was like, you know, because Axe executing an inquisitor,
Starting point is 00:06:58 maybe it's some sort of corn thing, but there is one, so that makes sense. The person in this, killed an acquisitor, right? However, however, chopped his head off. However, there is, there are two particular words that you need to focus on here. And the words are axe and howl.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Axe and howl. Yes. See, like, that still makes me think like Karn, because I feel like Karn obviously has a big old axe, what, Gorechild? And he would just howl and delight at being able to fucking decapitate an inquisitor. Yes. That, yes.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Like, I'm, like, my brain is just dead set on, on, on that. So I'm, I'm, I'm going to concede and just say, I don't, I don't have it this morning. That's like, for some reason my brain has got its hooks in on that and it's just, yeah. The Ursa Claus hooks? Ah, yes, fire the Ursus Clause right into my brain. I, I, I am sorry, sir. you very loud and incorrect buzzer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:11 This Howl and Axe is very Viking Norse Coden, which is Space Wolves, which is the man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Logan Grimnar himself, the Fang father, the high king of Fenris, the guy. Right. I guess Axe and Howell really should have gone to like Viking Space Wolf and... You're not wrong, though. Like, Axe and Howell could be a World Eaters-esque thing, correct? But when I say Howl, I meant like a more literal version. Like a little Aoo type thing instead of just like a... What?
Starting point is 00:08:57 What does that sound like the song? The Aoo, shit. I forget the name of the song. I know. I'm just... I made me think of something. Don't worry about it. I think what threw me off is because it was like,
Starting point is 00:09:10 I wasn't thinking of a loyalist that would be decapitating an inquisitor. Like my men went fully like, okay, it's not loyalist. It has to be chaos. And it's like, well, world leaders is really the only thing that fits this bill, but how? And yeah. I do think it was a little bit of a curveball by having the character in the quote, kill an inquisitor. But as you may remember, if there is a faction that,
Starting point is 00:09:35 do it though. Yes. There is a faction that does not like Inquisitors. Spacewls are very high on that list. It's true. But yes, so Logan Grimnar, we are doing a character episode today. He is the man, the big boy, the main man of the space wolves, outside of Russ, of course. I will say, I did not know very little, if anything, about.
Starting point is 00:10:05 about Logan Grimnar much past this. This is entirely a possum effort here. I know very little about Grimnar outside of his actual miniatures and things like that. And of course, that he is Logan Grimnar. But there is, of course, a couple little bits of, of editors notes that I do want to mention that Possum has put together just because I know many people most likely will ask. The first thing first is that Possum did a very TLDR for the months of shame. and mainly emphasized the Grey Knights conflict more than the Inquisition because it was really cool apparently to hear about him killing Grey Knights.
Starting point is 00:10:44 There are only a handful of the sagas of Grimnar because it is multiple pages long. And also Glossum. Oh, man. Possum got that glow up. Now he's Glossom? Yeah. Possum is strapped. You got that glaucom. Sorry, I was going to say Possum. glosses over a lot of the conflict on Fenris after the 13th Black Crusade because it is massive, like devastation of ball massive and therefore worthy of its own episode. And there will definitely be some glup shito stuff because there is so much stuff that goes along with Logan Grimnar.
Starting point is 00:11:23 But for our generally hour, hour and change long episodes, we are utilizing most of the main bases. And finally, last thing, Possum hates to say it. But despite how shitty the title of the book is, the book, The Wolf Time, is actually really damn good. It's called The Wolf Time? The Wolf Time. Yikes. What a name. Well, the Wolf Time is like their version of Ragnarok.
Starting point is 00:11:52 But it is, yeah, Logan Grimnard be like, it's wolfing time and wolfed all over the place. That's, oh, man. They ran out of ideas with the naming scheme there. They were like, damn, we can't figure out a way to do like the word Ragnarok with funny letters or a funny spelling. Fuck it. It's wolf and time. Much like, but much like, you know, most character things, especially with someone like Logan Grimnar, there is always a lot. And an hour and a half will never do justice to a character like this.
Starting point is 00:12:23 So apparently the wolf time is a very, very good book. But yes, Logan Grimnar. The man is in his big relic Terminator armor, which he can operate and move as if it's regular armor, which is really goddamn scary. And he, as known as the old wolf with his new miniature, which looks absolutely insane. Yeah, I think I've been shown this one before. And while a part of me is like, oh, man, the Santa Claus one is just iconic, right? The sled, oh, baby, that glow up is more than worth it.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Yeah, that's dope. Yeah, it's kind of like, I'm sad that the Santa Claus sled is gone because it was so funny and an enjoyable look. But if you're going to get rid of something and you're going to replace it, you could do much worse than this. Oh, yeah, that's the, he is aura farming hard in that many. Like, good Lord. Also, yeah, I do vaguely remember, I guess in the spacewells episode, we talked a little
Starting point is 00:13:24 bit about Logan Grimner, blah, blah, blah. I speak well today. And he's like the oldest space wolf, right? He's like the old father or something, right? No, not quite. You think you're thinking, your Bjorn, the fell hand. Oh, right, the fell hand.
Starting point is 00:13:40 Right, right, right, right, right, right. Yes, the dreadnought. The guy they wake up every so often, and then he's like, ugh. But it's good stuff. Bjorn's awesome. But now, so the chapter master slash great wolf of the space wolves for over 500 years.
Starting point is 00:13:57 So it's not like he's young. Yeah, he's just not that old. Right. He is one of the most, well-respected and feared combatants in the Imperium. And despite his virtually unrivaled prowess and acclaim, Grimnard's leadership of space swelves has put him in direct conflict with the powers that are on Terra many times. Despite the command he ushers, many in the ecclesiarchy and the administratum find him to be
Starting point is 00:14:23 a total treasonous heretic because he's, you know, sick with it. But the irony here, of course, is that. Grimnar himself is basically a living representation of what Lehman Rust stood for. Genuine courage, honor, and compassion. There are few warriors that, well, it's interesting because Possum states there are few warriors that represent the Imperium better than the old wolf. However, I would almost argue that that is not the case because he does not represent the bloating backwards carcass of the Imperium as a as a whole.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Yeah, I was going to say he's upstanding, honorable, courageous, he's not corrupt, he's not a prick, he's not Inquisition Pilled. I would say he's, it almost sounds like he's like the antithesis of what the Imperium has become, right? Like he's almost the opposite. He's like pre-heresy. He's the envisioned idea of the Imperium. He's what they originally strived to become, you know? And he has many notable sagas across the eras, and he still fights to this day.
Starting point is 00:15:41 So, Logan Grimnar was born on Fenris long time ago as a member of the Iron Blood tribe. And for many who may not know, not all of the tribes of Fenris get along very well, which just sounds normal. makes sense. The Iron Blood tribe had some dedicated enemies in the form of the sea devil and the Ice Fang tribes and a conflict between them
Starting point is 00:16:08 and the other two rivals found Logan and his tribes been seeking refuge in the temple dedicated to Morkai the Death Wolf. It's been a long time since we talked about Space Wolf. So you may remember that there's particular wolf
Starting point is 00:16:24 like deities and one of them is Morkai, the wolf of death. Yeah, that makes sense that that's what they would worship. Also, what a cool name, Morchai, the death wolf. Yeah, Morcai is, I believe that's actually the name of his weapon. It's like the teeth of Morcai. Hell, yeah, let's go. Now, when they were there in the temple, they were faced with a surprise attack without many time to defend themselves.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And one of the Iron Blood tribesmen were picked off, or sorry, one by one they were picked off. But Logan Grimnar stood his ground. and as the final member of his tribe died, he faces enemies head on, and this dedication to war and his tribe were carefully observed by Ulrich the Slayer, the high priest of the space wolves, who was taken aback by the actions of Logan. And said, The shadow of Russ follows this one like none I have ever seen before. His will be the fate of the chapter, each woven with the other. Good old old Ulrich the Slayer is a baller. He's a G. Ulrich the Slayer, damn.
Starting point is 00:17:36 You may have actually... You may have actually... So much cool. Like so many cool titles. Their wolf priests are amazing. God, man, even though my boys are the Thousand Suns, every time we talk about the Space was like, God, they're too cool to hate. You may remember actually Ulrich's artwork because he, Epic and Bad Phil
Starting point is 00:17:57 laugh of this user. He actually was one of the chaplains that we showed off during the chaplain episode. Right. God, so cool. That is some cracked art. God damn. Yeah, he's a baller. So after striking down the leader of the sea devils in one-on-one combat, the Iron
Starting point is 00:18:19 Blood tribe made their way to the temple. And Logan was taken to the fang where he was given the classic space. Wolf trials, which, uh, as we know are not what we would refer to as subtle. No, or fun. No. Um, because, cause crazy. Uh, these trials of the space wolf aspirants are extreme and very, very Norse. Uh, there are a multitude of tests that can vary from Space Wolf to Space Wolf, but the final
Starting point is 00:18:50 test always remains the same, which is the test of Morchai, where the aspirant is implanted. with the canis helix part of the jean seam, and they are whisked away far from the fang into the barren wastes of veneris with almost no gear and clothing to make their way back to the fang in one piece. You know, improvise, adapt, overcome, funny image with bear grills,
Starting point is 00:19:13 drinking piss to survive, and making the best they can on their wits alone. Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember it's like, yeah, you have to, with basically nothing, you have to survive the barren wastelands and the snow and all of the crazy wildlife and monsters that are on Fenris. And if you can make it back, congratulations, you're one of us, brother.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Basically. And obviously, Fenris is covered by a crazy amount of beasts. The weather is absolutely insane. And the Trek is overwhelming and kills many aspirants. But despite everything involving the environment, the beasts and the psyche, those that can overcome it will, of course, you know, be well. Welcome back into the fang. And of course, there's also the whole thing about maybe succumbing to the curse of the wolfen, which then if you become a wolfen, you are then out there in the waist also as a problem for other aspirants.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Yes, I almost forgot about the wolf and until you mentioned it. I forgot about like, don't their minis look goofy as hell? Yeah, I don't like the wolf and minis. I think they're pretty bad. It's actually a little unfortunate. And they got so many good new minis in their refresh recently, but they did not update the Thunder Wolf Cavalry or the Wolfen. And I would have liked it if they did. Because I don't love them.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. Well, the Thunder Wolf Cav looked sick, but they're just like a little old. I don't mean to a side and derail, but can, like, how do the Wolfen work on the tabletop? Because are the Wolfen just like completely just like, yeah. we've been completely lost to our base desires. We're just basically humanoid wolves. Or are they actually like, can you actually give them commands and control them? If you're like a space wolf chapter master, for example.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So I give Games Workshop credit and then I take away their credit instantaneously at the same time. Is that they do have an interesting little mechanic where the Wolfman have the same type of, restriction that the Blood Angel death company have, which is they have a particular rule, at least in the case of the wolf, and they have the curse of the wolf him, which basically is whenever you are within range of a character or something, you can add objective control that lets you hold objectives and do tasks. However, if you're not, you can't do any of that. So for Blood Angels, it's chaplains. And if it's not chaplain, if it's Wolf and it's a character of some sort.
Starting point is 00:22:00 So it's like, hey, you can be reigned in line by someone, a superior that's dedicated to this. But if you are not reigned in line, then, you know, you kind of just go crazy. Okay. That's right. They would have to have something like that for the Blood Angels, wouldn't they? That's cool. Anyway, sorry, not to derail. But yeah, I love hearing about little tidbits from the tabletop like that.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I mean, it's cool in a sense because, like, oh, that's neat that they have this rule informed for them. And they actually have slang in that way. But to me, the rule is like not that interesting. It's very boring. Yeah. So, like, it's cool that they thought about it, but it's a very boring rule and it needs more flavor. So, you know, thank you for thinking about it. Please give me a different one.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Please expand upon this rule. Yeah. Yes. Now, despite the failure of many others, Logan basically, was built different, as most chaptermasters are. On his quest back to the fang, Grimnar encountered the bane of many other aspirants, which is an ice troll known as Frostblood. And in the Frostblood cave, it was littered with corpses of other aspirants,
Starting point is 00:23:07 as well as some warriors of Fenris itself. And during this encounter with Frostblum, he was able to grab a splintered bone of a fallen aspirin, and lodge it directly into its eye, all while yelling with rage, into the bleeding face of the ice troll. And so Logan, like this dude, Space Wolf to the core. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Foof, that's a, that is such a space wolf mental image to have just jamming a bone into some troll's eyes and just screaming your damn brains out, just howling at the moon. Jesus. Yeah, I mean, he is, he is, there's only one other space wolf
Starting point is 00:23:50 level guy more than Logan and that's Russ. Yeah. As we discussed, yeah. Yeah. So after passing the test, he found himself inducted into the great company of as Wald Stormrack as a blood claw, which is the lowest rank,
Starting point is 00:24:08 if you don't recall. He took his time to the life of a space wolf. It immediately was a champion of many battles for in a short amount of time. And among his brothers, Logan was very well loved for his unwavering bravery and balanced charisma. Shia says get fucked Ragnar Black Main fans. Ragnar's number three.
Starting point is 00:24:27 All right. You've got Ross. You've got Logan. Then you got Ragnar. All right. He's up there. He's just not that. He's not Logan, you know?
Starting point is 00:24:37 Yeah, we'll totally get to Ragnar Blackmayne next week, right? That totally. And quote from his brothers, his easy grid and ready jests earned him the trust of everyone he met. Even the old and cynical long fangs of the company who grudgingly admitted they had warmed to the whelp. So everyone just likes the guy.
Starting point is 00:24:59 He's his likable dude. He is. I mean, so far, he is pretty much just like the epitome of a space wolf. So of course they'd love him. Now, obviously, he over the course of the next century, he earned the trust of Asphalt Stormrack, became the member of his wolfguard, close aid and counsel. And eventually when Asval fell in battle, Logan was unanimously elected as the wolf lord, aka chaptermaster, I believe, and followed in his stead.
Starting point is 00:25:30 The chapter master, wolf lord's chapter master, right? No, that's great, it's great wolf. Shai said a wolf lord is a senior officer of the spacewool space marine chapter who is the equivalent of a standard space marine captain. Okay, so it's a captain. Got it, got it, got it. Okay. Okay, I was like, because he is the great wolf.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And he's also known as the old wolf. Good Lord, man. It's a wolf in down. It's a wolf in time, brothers. It's wolf and wolf and wolfen all the way down. Woof, wolf, wolf, wolf. Oh, classic. Woof, woof, woof, woof.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Now, of course, because his prowess was so unmatched, his eventual ascension to chapter master or in this case the great wolf was inevitable as he was you know the guy and he had a gift for combat he was courage he was a booming presence sway anyone and as olrick the slayer had said before he would be the fate of the chapter however though and unfortunately the fate of the chapter would be changed quite a bit thanks to a very well traversed planet bum bum bum the first war
Starting point is 00:26:43 of Armageddon yippee it's the hellscape of Armageddon oh boy you gotta love it yeah I love Armageddon Armageddon the hell out of here
Starting point is 00:26:58 Armageddon my ass out so Armagedon my ass kicked So Armagedon was in trouble for the first time and faced a crazy onslaught thanks to Mr. Angram. And Angron probably would have twined the planet to shreds if it weren't for Mr. Logan Grimnar answering the call
Starting point is 00:27:20 and leading the entire Space Wolf's chapter to the planet, which is, you know, as you may remember, like a thousand people. Also, damn, that artwork is old school, but pretty sick. Oh, yeah, that looks really familiar. I feel like we, I feel like you guys may have showed me this in like the old Space Wolf's episode we did because it looks really familiar to me. We might have.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I mean, that is, that is, it's classic artwork, yeah. For reference, I do not mind seeing it again at all, but it does look familiar, yeah. It was mainly him answering the call down to the banks of the river Chyrom. And even though Logan had proved his leadership prowess time and again this point,
Starting point is 00:28:04 it's very important to know that he was a beacon of hope for the Imperium in the First War. Angron personally led an insult towards hell's reach with 12 bloodthusters. Don't know why it's 12 and not eight, but you know what, screw it. Yeah, whatever. And many Wolf Lords of the past may have attempted to face Angron head on alone, because they are a bit knuckleheaded at times. But Logan is much more tactical.
Starting point is 00:28:30 He did lead an attack against Angron directly, and he let out a tactical howl that signaled a trap, where an entire brotherhood of Great Night Terminator teleported into the ranks and caused just enough disarray among the bloodthursers and the space walls were able to get the upper hand and crush the forces of chaos. Now, it was also during this conflict where Logan Grimnar took a trophy that he still holds this day where he faced down a chaos champion
Starting point is 00:28:57 known as a core doom flare. Love that. So chaos. And during that battle, Logan struck. him with his frost blade where it blistered into a million shards. Yet despite the blade exploding, Logan was able to tear the chaos champion to shreds with his clawed hands and kill the demon by sinking his teeth into its throat. He then pried the axe of the champion used from his dead hands and still uses it today.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Oh, he uses a chaos axe? He pried the axe from the champion And it has now been reforged As you can see the axe is all broken apart And has been reforged into full pieces And it is known as the axe of Morkai Representing the Fenrisian guardian of the gates of death Oh wow
Starting point is 00:29:55 When I first saw as mini I just thought that was like Oh yeah it's like a fire axe It's a molten axe because like oh when you're on a frost planet It sure would be nice to have like a molten axe I did not realize that was a chaos. Man, I bet the Imperium does think he's very like, how dare you, sir? That's heresy of the highest order.
Starting point is 00:30:13 You can't use that. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It is a, uh, the Morcai, the axe of Morcai, its soul is forged by corn. Yeah. And like, so you can reforge that, but that is a chaos forged axe. and some people really don't like that. Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Yep, yep, yep. But at the same time, it's also like, what are you going to do? That's Grimnar. Go ahead, try and take it from him. That's kind of the same mentality that I think a lot of people have with the ad mech, where it's like, God, these people are frustrating and infuriating, but damn, they're making all of our bolters. Yeah, they literally make our tides.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Titans and our guns. We got to put up with the man. And, you know, like, that's the whole reason for the treaty is like, well, we could take him out, but... Do you remember the name of the treaty? This is deep lore. I'm not expecting you to get this, but this is deep lore. Shoot, I bet you anything I'm going to know it when you hear it, because I feel like I
Starting point is 00:31:27 just heard it in, like, I feel like it may have been said in flesh and steel, but I cannot remember it. And like, whenever someone says treaty in 40K, my brain immediately goes to Nike. And it's just like, nope, that's not the one. That's a totally different thing. So no, I don't remember the name. I will once again make my normal mention that I normally do, which is, the council of Nike is a bunch of bullshit said in Space Marine 2. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:31:53 I love that. Yeah. Yeah, the Treaty of Olympus Mons. That is correct. Shai. I guarantee you they said it in flesh and steel. That looks so familiar. You're in, oh, no, ah, damn it, damn it.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Treaty of Olympus Mons, the double-headed eagle representing Terra and Mars. Mm-hmm, yep, yep, yep. But anywho, so the battle with Angron and the First War of Armageddon was won, but it would be a real shame if, shame if something happened during the aftermath. Like the months of shame. Whoa, what a shame for the months of shame. Yeah. So the months of shame, this is the TLDR because we have a full episode of the months of shame. And obviously you are more than welcome to go watch that if you would like a, I mean, still not the most detail because we are at Rick and we are an hour and change podcast.
Starting point is 00:32:49 But it is if you want more of the months of shame. Now, the cleanup of Armageddon, which as we all know involved the sterilization of the planet's populace because of its consequences. because of its contact with chaos was something that Logan Grimnar really had an issue with. Yeah, those cheeky gray nights. Now, during this cleanup, Logan showed an exceptional amount of compassion by doing everything he could to stop the innocent citizens from feeling the full might of the Inquisition and Grey Knights cleanup program. And so he did two things particularly. He would protect citizens with his own drop ships by attempting to usher them out of there. And he would also use his other ships to prevent the Grey Knights and the Inquisition from engaging and attacking the citizens all the time without firing on the Inquisition or the Grey Knights, even while taking hits.
Starting point is 00:33:46 This stalemate resulted in a full stop after the arrival of the Space Wolf's Battle Barge, known as the Guilfraheim. Gassunite. Thank you. Of course, these actions were taken very poorly, and the space wolves were viewed as heretics, particularly by Inquisitor Kisneros and Grey Knight Grandmaster Joros. So they invited Grimnar and the wolves to neutral space to negotiate regarding the whole mess, but the arriving wolves were subjected to an immediate attack from all parties involved, which did exceptional damage to the space wolves fleet. Casarnos and Joros strongly encouraged Grimnar to teleport over and surrender. And he agreed to it, but in sort of a call-on ambulance but not for me type way. He then teleported onto the ship with his full entourage of Terminators and proceeded to absolutely berate and yell at the inquisitor for the actions and actions against the citizens of the Imperium.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Now, the inquisitor attempted to intimidate Grimnar and clearly forgot that he was, in fact, the guy. When he asked if he really thought the space wolves would fight without him, Grimnar retorted and said that they would fight to the last man because they are brothers with the soul of the Imperium in their minds, much like the Grey Knights. But he questioned how the Inquisition was actually doing damage to the morale of the Grey Knights by making them fight in wars they do not want. wished to fight. And a gray knight by the name of Hyperion clocked this by thinking that Grimnar made it really hard to not like him. And the other great knight's likely noted to another that he essentially read them like a scroll. Uh, so Logan demanded to know who ordered the attack on the Space Wolf fleet. Joros of the Grey Knights confirmed it was him while adding that it gave him no pleasure, but it was ultimately for the greater good. Grimnar, uh, despite, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:54 his difficulties was very much agreeable with this one as seen outlined below. Please read this decay. Oh boy, all this? All right. The list of Lord Joros' deeds was more impressive than his unapproachable exterior might suggest. While he lacked a great many commendations for command
Starting point is 00:36:14 as a duelist and a frontline fighter, it was acknowledged across the order that few could match his reputation and skill with two falchian blades. I always mispronounced that word. Anyway, Joros was a master, and his reflexes were renowned, and yet his blades had scarcely cleared his scabbard, when Logan Grimnar's axe of blackened steel and burnished gold
Starting point is 00:36:35 cleaved into our grandmaster's breastplate and throat, ending a worthy, respectful life of service with a single crunching chop. Ghoros went down, felled by the axe blow, and dead before he hit the ground. The great wolf's axe named Maw. Morchai after some heath and Fenrisian superstition about a god guarding the halls of dead, ripped back out, blood sizzling on its active metal surface.
Starting point is 00:37:03 In the time it had taken me to look back from wrothroat to his liege lord. My own grandmaster was slain. That should explain, at least partially, how quickly the high king of Fenris moved. So he took it well. It was like, you can't even snap your finger. and he had already killed Gioros, which is Grandmaster.
Starting point is 00:37:26 So, yeah. Way to, way to go, Logan Grimner. And it's crazy. I remembered the months of shame and I still forgot the quote.
Starting point is 00:37:35 That's, this is insane. It has been like over a year. True. There is only so much lore. Also, yeah, a reminder, Great Night Grandmasters
Starting point is 00:37:47 kind of look like that. And so the fact that he basically, just like wopped his head off that quick what is, like it should make it clear that Logan is kind of the guy. Yeah. Although with all that armor, it's probably slow. It's a little slow, you know? And Grimnar just, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:05 is, you know? Now, so, really cool armor. Directly after that, the space wolves attempted to teleport out of there. You know, D-Done. But the Grey Knights had predicted this and put dampeners up to prevent them from escaping. Now, this would have a really good idea had Lord Joros not immediately gotten killed. So the Grey Knights and the Inquisition had a whole bunch of very angry wolves stuck with them.
Starting point is 00:38:33 And after a quick calculation on how to kill all the Grey Knights within range was done, Grimnar and the wolves did just that. Casarnos was very unprepared for this and terrified, undid the dampeners, and got the hell away. Yeah, I was going to say, after literally watching your chapter master get absolutely bodied, like it was just a hot knife through butter, quick as quick can be, didn't even put up a fight, why would you trap these wolves in there with you? What are you thinking? Why are you doing that? Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Let them go. Holy. Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of thing is like, I'm sure Grandmaster Joros was an insane fighter and probably would have given given Logan like a real tough duel. But he, but like there is a certain level of just surprise. Like he did not expect Logan to just flip around in Terminator armor and
Starting point is 00:39:33 lop his head off. Mm-hmm. Crazy. Oh yeah. Let's keep him in here with us. Sure. We can take him. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:42 So hostilities escalated on both sides until Fenris itself faced a major C. courtesy of the Ordo Malleus, the Grey Knights, and the Red Hunter's chapter of space marines. And during this conflict, Grimnar forced his way onto the Inquisition flagship, and the speed and ferocity he had, despite wearing Terminator armor, horrified the Grey Knights as he tore through line after Lyman, before personally killing Casarnos for his actions. But it was too late. Fenris was facing its inevitable destruction,
Starting point is 00:40:15 and Grinvnar was forced to withdraw and cease the fighting. because they were sieging the, you know, Federer itself. Yeah. Grimnar, though the conflict would eventually come to a close, and the months of shame would end, again, watch the other episode. Grimnar to this day has never found any reason to forgive the administration or the Inquisition for their actions about space wolves. Oh, also, Shai said, we got like 100,000 comments on our months of shame video,
Starting point is 00:40:44 so please mention that Grimnar sprinted in Terminator armor. Grimnar sprinted in Terminator armor. The point to be made is Grimnar moves in Terminator armor like a regular space room move in regular armor. The dude should not be this fast. It doesn't make sense. And that's part of the power. He's got the power. Is he the only one that can move like this in Terminator armor?
Starting point is 00:41:13 Is he the only one that can like sprint, run, do these quick, crazy adjutant. John maneuvers in Terminator Plate? I mean, I don't know. There's probably somebody else, but he's like the most well known, I guess. I'm sure like,
Starting point is 00:41:28 I'm sure one of the adeptist custodians in the custodian Terminator armor might have a similar movement. But the point being is that it's, it is not a commonplace situation. This is a very frightening guy that should not move this quick. Mm-hmm. Now, You know, for good reason, obviously, Grimnar never found a reason to forgive them.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Because not only was it a horrific violation of honor in Grimnar's eyes, but the conflict completely decimated the Space Wars fleet. And the fang was damaged more during this than it was when Magnus attacked it during the Battle of the Fang. And so even after an agreement of the ceasefire, Grimnar knew the Inquisition would be keeping an eye on him no matter what. And so he really does not like them. Yeah. I was going to say that tends to happen when you, you know, have the months of shame where you kill a bunch of inquisitors and grain eyes. You know, yeah, they're probably going to have a keen interest in keeping an eye on you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Yeah, he's a little upset. It's just a smitch frothing at the mouth. Now, you know, Logan and Space Wolfs in general are very big on the sagas. They love to talk about their sagas, you know, their stories. And so despite all of these shenanigans, it did not stop Logan Grimnar from still fighting the good fight. Quite the opposite, actually. He'd become quite more emboldened during his times of the month of shame, and especially at the start of the 13th Black Crusoe. He was a very busy wolf, and Champions of Fenris has a great summary of a lot of those things.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Champions of Fenris being one of the kind of side codex. is being red. So, like, for example, here are some ones in order. In M41-49-9, he found himself on the planet of Palacia during what was known as the Palacian heresy, where Logan took control over
Starting point is 00:43:26 arguing guard regiments and not only stopped an execution of the planet, but rallied those he saved into turning on the traitors of the planet, saving the entire planet from the traitors and treating the populace with fair and justice. In 612, he was provided intel on the location of a
Starting point is 00:43:42 member of the Wolf Brothers, a long sister chapter of these space wolves, and freed them from the clutches of Fabius Bile. In 741, he alive on Vara 3 to settle a conflict between the Imperium and the governor of the planet named Tor Rex, where he established a meeting with the Imperial Force and the planetary governor and realized that the Imperial forces that were a fallen traitor and not citizens of Vara 3. It ended by Logan ripping off the heads of the Imperial commander in the meeting and hunt down every heretic within the fleet.
Starting point is 00:44:13 In 830, word is received that the priceless STC in danger due to mechanics' vessel being down by an orc fleet on the world of Scrap Spire, a garbage planet home to orcs, was saved by Logan and not only recovered the STC, but also 1V1, the orc war boss, crugfist, and took his mechanical claw as a trophy. In 886, the delegation of officials from the ecclesiarchy believed that the people of Fenris have begun to worship pagan god. That sure went well. Logan refused to give the ecclesiarchy entry and one of their ships was downed. They decided to leave Fenris alone. But a year later, they tried again and sent three orders of adeptus sororitus to enter by force.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Quote, the resultant war lasted for three weeks before the ecclesiarchy decides to let sleeping dogs lie and withdraw its forces. In 927, Grimnar stumbles upon a Tyrann and Splinter Fleet and decides, that what they need to do is completely eradicate all of them, despite the fact that the fleet was still centuries away from the nearest system. A massive assault was launched and Grimnar led a boarding party where a vortex mine was planted within the hive shit. Shit, ship. Shit.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Damn, that hive shit. Get out. The hive shit. The explosion and subsequent battle completely wiped out the splinter fleet. And lastly, in 988, Grimnar atop his chariot storm rider, leads his great company in a charge dealing a devastating blow to the phalanches of Imitac, the storm lord himself on Vallath 4. But despite being a massive W against the Imperium, Logan found it to be a hollow victory
Starting point is 00:45:52 as 50 years prior, a Necron fleet that was led by Trayson attacked the planet of Midgardia, yes, Midgardia, in order to claim a hidden Caton shard. Grimnar has been seeking vengeance against Trayson, and he is hoping for the conflict would result and more information. Unfortunately, no such luck has occurred. Tee-hi-he-he-he-necron wins. Not really, but kind of. I was going to say, not really? I mean, like a little bit, but, God damn, he has been a busy wolf boy. Holy! That is a laundry list of achievements. God damn. These are only some. These are the ones involved in the episode and the ones listed for me by
Starting point is 00:46:32 Possum. There are many more. Yeah. Wow. I mean, he is him. So if anybody's going to have that long list of, yeah, I messed fools up, it's going to be him. It's going to be him. And so lastly, one of our final main bits here is obviously on the 13th Black Crusade and the Siege of Fenris. Because of his actions and dedication to the imperial, it made a lot of sense that Logan Grimnar would be selected as the Supreme Commander of the defensive Imperial forces during the 13th Black Crusade. He fought very hard tooth and nail on Cadia, and his guidance and leadership helped the planet stand a lot longer than it probably would have, but of course it could not stop the whole thing, and then Cadia did fall. A massive chaos incursion after the fall impacted a huge swath of the Imperium, and the Fenris system was included.
Starting point is 00:47:27 The storms resulted in a very strange event for the space wolves. Herald Death Wolves squad of Spacewolves were saved by the Wolfim. which was the first time that the wolfen have openly assisted their space marine brethren. And wolf priest Ulrich the Slayer believed that the return of the wolf him would usher in the return of Lehman Rus himself. But this resulted in a splinter hunt to find the wolf him in the hopes of finding their lost primark. However, it was also the kind of, it was a little bit of like a hide the wolfen from the inquisition type thing. because, you know, the Inquisition, I would have some pretty big feelings after seeing a wolfen, especially with their other issues with space wolves as a whole.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah, don't give them any reason to look further into the space wolves, right? Because any reason you give them, they're like, oh, yep, that looks chaos tainted. I guess we'll just have to start a war with the Fenrisians. And yeah. Yeah, the, I mean, the space, it's kind of funny because the dark angels are very well. known for being very like stop looking at us inquisition because they've done so much wrong where the space wolves are like stop looking at us inquisition because they've done so much right yeah and honestly it's like stop looking at us inquisition we will kill you we do not
Starting point is 00:48:52 care like we've done it before we'll do it again it's uh oh yeah shy shy is a statement what's up I said, this is a thought I had like a week ago while we're playing the rogue traitor game because spoilers, there are space wolves in it and you can have a space wolf companion. But while I enjoy meming about the furries and wolf and wolf lord of great wolffang wolf brother, Wolfswear, the more I learned about the space wolves, the more and more base they appear to be. I was going to say the same thing. Like they just appear very upstanding, courageous, they want to do the right thing. and if you stand in their way of doing the right thing, well, God damn it, we don't care even if you are an inquisitor or on our side or something.
Starting point is 00:49:37 We will do the right thing even if we have to kill you. Absolutely. So obviously, the wolfen were tracked through various demonic incursions, and after it was settled, they would move on to the next system. Operating in the same vicinity, the great knights were very busy taking care of the chaos incursions, and they started to notice a little bit of a trend. Each time they'd show up and take care of an issue,
Starting point is 00:49:58 the space wolves would be leaving. And that was a bit sussy. And the discovery of a wolfen corpse did not help this out. Oh, they did find one, huh? So the Grey Knights called for a meeting with Logan Grimnar to figure out what the hell was going on. And they came to an agreement regarding the hunt for the wolf him. But during this discussion, the Grey Knights informed Logan that they have caught wind that the Thousand Suns might be seeking retribution on Fenris. And Grimnar, obviously a little spooked by this, rallied any and all great companies in the area and made their way to the Fenris system.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Fenris in this fight became a full episode worthy level war zone. Thanks to the extreme chaos incursions spurred by the thousand suns and quite literally every single world in the system, except Fenris, was under direct assault. As the battles were so expansive and planet-wise, Logan could only be in one place at a time and so he chose Midgardia yes Midgardia Yeah Okay
Starting point is 00:51:03 Yeah that's also a very good image of how it looked Like things were happening man Wow That's got they very rarely Missed with the art but I mean it's not gonna take much to get me to like Thousand Sun's art but I mean that is no more perfect
Starting point is 00:51:22 than the giant You know horrendous looking pillar being thrown to the ground and behind them great walls with giant wolf heads on it. Like, that's just perfect, man. Mm-hmm. Agreed. Agreed.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Um, but, uh, so every single, you know, world obviously was, was under, uh, besides the fighters were under siege there. And on Midgardia, he faced the infernal tetrab, which was a war band of demons with at least one major member from each god. Uh, there was Mordock the Rodden. That shouldn't surprise you. Uh, Arcar, Zenchar, and Malignil needle ton. You can guess who might be who.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Needle tongue totally corn, right? Obviously. Oh, definitely. So the conflict resulted in Grimnar becoming stranded planet side for some time, eventually saved by Eagle, EGIL, so maybe Egil, Iron Wolf. And it was determined that McGardia was a lost cause. The planet would need to be destroyed. And though it was tactically for the best, the absolute destruction of a planet in the Fenrisian system due to the taint of chaos made the Logan feel a substantial unrivaled rage. All he wanted at this point onward was revenge for the scar in the Fennerus system. And so Magnus would mount his final doom on Fenris and Logan was front and setter.
Starting point is 00:52:43 He led the forces including the Grey Knights and the Dark Angels to the fray. And he was able to face Magnus alongside Egel Ironwolf. They both charged Magnus, Egel on a land raider and Logan on the Storm Rider. and Egel Iron Wolf reached the prime mark first, leaping from his land raider to land a killing blow. Magnus, however, caught him in a telekinetic grip and proceeded to vaporize him from the waist up. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Starting point is 00:53:13 I was like, man, you've got to wait for the backup. You can't just go flying in at Magnus of all people, brother. Come on. Yeah, I mean, two of them flew at him. The sacrifice, however, was not in vain, as Magnus was focused on Eagle, Iron Wolf, Eggle, whatever, to brace for what Grimnar was about to do. D.K. for you.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Jumping from Storm Rider at the edge of the chasm, the Great Wolf called out a mighty challenge. Magnus turned, a sneer of disdain on his cyclopean features. No mortal weapon could harm him, and thanks to the work of the blue scribes, neither could the enchanted relics of the Imperium. But the axe of Morricay was not of the Imperium. It had been forged as a weapon of corn, bane of sorcerers.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Logan left the double-headed power axe slammed into Magnus's chest, shattering arcane wards and piercing his breastplate to bite deep. In the distance, thunder rumbling long and loud, only the Cycras present heard it for what it was, the laughter of the blood god himself. Oh. If you're going to kill Magnus, you might as well use a corn axe, right? Yeah. As soon as it was like, oh, yeah, nothing can harm me. Nope. You can't hurt me with, you know, weapons of the Imperium. Can't hurt me with the, uh, with magic stuff, of course. And I was like, oh, the axe of Morcai. It's not Imperium. It's chaos. It's corn. Oh, man, the foreshadowing that that should have had, especially with space wolves is like, how did I miss it? How did I know? How did I know?
Starting point is 00:54:52 not immediately just like he's going to kill Magnus with that thing or he's going to not going to kill him he's going to land a heavy blow on that bitch it's i mean it's just sick as hell to have that come back around so sick not to mention like i just love the idea that you know it's almost not quite zing she but it's just so you know corn was was sitting there like iron gripping his throne and then when logan flies at uh you know a uh you know a Demon Primark of Zech and kills him with the blood god's axe. You know, he's just like, yeah! Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:55:32 The fact that everybody could hear his laughter, oh, man. Corn cares not from where the blood flows, but boy, that must have been like, oh, yeah. Yeah, corn cares not, but corn, all blood flowing is great, but some blood is more worth than others. Exactly. Champion of Zech is very up there. It's real high on the list. So anyway, the Grimnar and the Dark Imperium nowadays. So after the battle, we get a bit closer to the modern day.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Grimdar and the Space Wolf have recently participated in the Noctus Eterna, and we're in the midst of a conflict with the orcs when the arrival of, or they see word of a new arrival, Primaris Space Wolves. Oh. Now, most of the long-lived captains were pretty okay with having their ranks bolstered by the beefy soldiers. But Grimnar was not. He was not happy about this. Upon their arrival, he had them wait outside of the regular ranks while he figured out what to do next.
Starting point is 00:56:41 For starters, the new primary spacewolds were using official titles like lieutenant and other non-chapter verbiage to address senior officers, which deeply got under Grimnar's skin. Because they don't have lieutenants. They have like Wolfguard battle leaders and things like that, right? Yeah, I'm surprised that didn't piss off more of them. I'm surprised only Grimnard that was like, uh, yeah, shy, that is correct. I believe, if I'm unmistaken,
Starting point is 00:57:10 Dark Angels tortured the shit out of their primarus reinforcements because they thought they were spies from Gilliman. Yeah, that's Rex. So are they like, do they have, The Dark Angels just have no primaries because they killed all of them? Well, the Dark Angels or the, uh, no, they, they didn't kill them. They tortured them. Very different.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Oh, okay. I thought they tortured and killed them because they were like, are they traitors? Ah, shoot. Killed them in the torture. Damn. Oh, well. I mean, you know, they, well, maybe torture is the wrong word. They interrogated them.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Okay. Is there really a difference in those words for the Dark Angels? No. let me introduce you to interrogator chaplain Asma Dai. But anyway, so he felt that this was Gilliman making some sort of attempt to dissolve or break the chapter apart. And this was further compounded when he found out that Gilliman was referred to as the Lord Commander,
Starting point is 00:58:09 which Logan said was a title that Rabute was flaunting after stealing it from Rogal Dorn. So even after explaining that the Primaris Tech would, be brought to Fenris to help turn new recruits into Primaris Marines from the drop, Logan was suspicious and declined any assistance from the Primaris Marines, despite being pretty down massively numbers-wise. He felt that the rush to replace their numbers with new modified Marines undid what made a space wolf a space wolf. And it felt like a tactical death of the chapter as a whole.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Of course, this was a continued snowball from all the events throughout his life, his distrust of the administratum and the inner workings of the imperial have put him at an impasse. Now, this changed thanks to the unnumbered Primerus Marine named Sergeant Gaius, Gaius, Gaius, Gaius, Gaius, whatever. I just don't want to call him Sergeant Gaius. So Sergeant Gaius, one of the Marines with the Wolf Helix that was sent to Logan, Gaius knew he was of Feneresian Blum,
Starting point is 00:59:14 despite never setting foot on the planet. And due to the difficulty faced by the space, Space wolves, Gaias submitted himself to the trial of Morkai and became one of the first primary space marines to land on Fenris. He fought viciously to prove his worth in the trial, and he passed. He was bestowed the name Kiarg Iron Oath, Kiarg being the name of the largest wolf in the legends of Fenris, and said to have faced Morchai himself, and iron oath representing the devotion to the trial.
Starting point is 00:59:43 So the story of Kiarg changed Logan's mind. These primarist Marines may be different, but they were. were indeed childs of Fenris. And he finally embraced them as new additions and worked hard during the Indominious Crusade to assist Gilham in Uniting the Imperium. And we have seen him very recently in the season of blood conflict on Armageddon
Starting point is 01:00:02 doing just exactly that. And that is Logan Grimnar. Damn. What a badass. Yes, he is quite the guy. Um, uh, quite, quite the guy. He is an, he is him. He is the guy. He sure is.
Starting point is 01:00:24 He's, he's very fascinating. Um, now, obviously, uh, his miniature has recently got in the update and looks absolutely insane. The two wolves on the miniature are known as, uh, Tiernack and Fenrir. Okay. They are his, uh, his companions as, or his major companions. Yes, Fenrear, very subtle. Yeah. Uh, it's, you know, some wolf had to be named Fenrir, right?
Starting point is 01:00:51 I'm surprised, like, his middle name isn't Fenrir or something. So, yeah, do, uh, do his, do his wolves do anything on the tabletop? They bite you? Already then. Yeah. Does he bite? Yeah, he bites. Yeah, he bites.
Starting point is 01:01:10 No, um, yeah, additional attacks. So, um, yeah, so basically his model is, uh, he has like a storm bolter, you read, and whatever. and his, he hits you with the axe of Morchai, which hits like an absolute train. And then he also gets an additional six more attacks with Tyrrh, Tyrrhnec and Fenrir additional bites. His abilities are interesting. He has a high king of Fenris,
Starting point is 01:01:38 which means that he can pick a unit in the Spacewills unit that is in reserves and have them arrive one turn earlier. I think it's kind of like a first end of the fray type thing. and then he also has an aura around him of 12 inches that says if anyone uses a stratagem it costs one extra CP which is a guile of the wolf costs one extra command point to make it harder to use this was originally on Bjorn I'm not quite sure why they gave it to Logan personally I'm not a huge fan of Logan's rules I think they're like effective but they don't really represent him very well IMO yeah it does did they make it so that he has like better mood movement or faster movement or moves farther or anything because it seems like him being able to move as quick as he does despite being in Terminator plate. It's like that seems to be a recurring thing and it seems to be a very common thing for them to use. So is it, is he any more nimble or agile on the tabletop or is just like, no, it's just kind of whatever. Yes and no. Yet,
Starting point is 01:02:42 he moves six inches on the tabletop. Terminators normally move five. However, almost all the space wolves move a little bit faster. So the Wolfguard Terminators in general also move six to match him. So it's not that he moves faster specifically. It's that everything moves faster. So yes, but no. Oh. Well.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Yeah. No, I feel like he maybe needs a bit more, I don't think he needs more combat because I've, I've played against Logan in a tabletop game and he has murdered me. but I do think that his rules maybe don't match him very well. I actually think Bjorn is better matched. Bjorn has like a tankiness buff because he is just really tough. And also he has the ability to give you command points every round because he's the ancient tactician of Bjorn, you know?
Starting point is 01:03:35 Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like he doesn't quite have as much lore flavor to his rules as some of the other tabletop minis do. So that's, eh, it's still dope mini though. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of 10th edition is like, well, they do have a rule that represents it, but it's just not that good of a rule. They also got rid of the trickster guy, which I'm really sad about. They had like a Loki character, and he was kind of a douche. And they got rid of him because he's an old ass mini, which sucks.
Starting point is 01:04:10 You'd think they'd want to revamp a Loki character. You would think they would? You would think they would. Because that's a pretty popular character type. I have had the most fun playing the game of Warhammer in 10th. I have not had the most fun reading and having the lore adjustments in 10th. Yeah, you know, that seems like I don't play the tabletop, but it seems like that's the common opinion of like, oh, yeah, games are shorter,
Starting point is 01:04:36 they feel more fun, they feel more fluid. But there's a lot of the narrative stuff that gets lost, and it kind of feels like it's like it's fun to play, but like it feels like, I don't want to say the soul of it is slowly draining out, but it's like, yeah, it's not as narratively fresh or something. Yeah, that is exactly what I would consider it.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Yeah, it is, they do a good job in certain things. Like, I've noticed the thing that I find the most interesting is that a lot of the detachments are pretty fun. And I think the minis are also really good. I know some people, Blood Angel fans, I'm sorry, did not get a great refresh, but the new Space Wolf minis look insanely good. They do.
Starting point is 01:05:18 They look real good. The new Dark Angel minis recently have been great. Like, I think they've actually nailed the miniature it's quite well in 10th. It's just that I need a bit more intrigue. I need some more fun involving the actual rules because the actual gameplay is like balanced. It makes for a nice pickup game.
Starting point is 01:05:38 It's very easy, but it lacks a level of depth that I would very much prefer. No, great, I mean, ironically, one thing that I will say is that a lot of the space marine detachments for the factions do feel pretty good. Like, the rules written are sometimes interesting. For example, for space wolves, their special detachment abilities are the sagas. And so the way it works is that you have a rule. and then you can complete a saga, a tail,
Starting point is 01:06:13 and by doing so, you get a better rule. So, for example, you have saga of the bold, which is my favorites, which the attachment rule is called Heroes All. And it makes it so that if you have a character in your unit, you can re-roll a hit roll, a wound roll, or a damage role. But if you are able to complete the saga, you can do it a re-roll, a hit roll, a wound roll, and a damage role for your whole army. And in order to do so, you must complete these sagas, which is your hide as a trophy,
Starting point is 01:06:52 destroy an oath of moment targets, or, you know, slay them all, kill another one, or take over their deployment zone, or, you know, and you complete these sagas, and then, yes, you've done your deed, and then the heroes all sagas complete, and now you all get the benefit ban. Like, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool as hell, you know? Hell yeah. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:07:13 That's sick as hell. But then you look at like, ah, you know, what is the, the awesome cool rule of Logan Grimnar? Well, he comes in one turn faster. And you're like, ah, that's it. Oh, come on. That's Grimnor. Come on, you got to give, ah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:31 He needs, he needs something more impactful and, and, like, narratively, fun and just yeah yeah i i still uh i still kind of have the feeling that we need to do a bit more a bit more magic um i think i think magic the gathering likes to mix in a lot of weird stuff like coin flips and and like d20 dice rolls and i would i would like a lot more of that i'd like a lot more of the uh a little bit more chance in that or maybe some more things of that nature Anywho, that's my ending of the episode's small 10th rant that I always do because I like it. It's fun, but it could be better. It's not perfect.
Starting point is 01:08:14 There's room to grow for sure. Definitely room to grow. Hell yeah. But yeah, that's Logan Grimnar, the guy. He is him. He is kind of him, man. Yeah. Logan Hinarm.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Logan Himnar. Not Grimnar, he's him, Nahr, brother. What a name. What a name? Oh, yeah, wait, okay. I don't really want to do the awu for the ending, shy. That's not my vibe. Oh, do I have to do the awu?
Starting point is 01:08:44 Is that what we're saying? Hey, give us an awu, DK. Do you want like an actual awu or you want like the furry kind of, Owl? Good enough.

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