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Episode Date: July 20, 2022

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Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamante's. My co-host is Bricky, and we're going to be going over some just ridiculous Warhammer 40K lore today. But before we do, if you enjoy today's episode, heading over to the Patreon and consider supporting us. You can get access to the Discord, all of our wonderful, wonderful posters at the $15 tier. When we hit 17K on the Patreon, we will be deliq. into that fan theory about the Dornian heresy that everybody apparently wants us to do.

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Very good. Book Club is the first heretic. That's coming out this week in like four days after this episode comes out. Make sure you finish that, but I'm not going to talk about any more things because I have an ad for you. Roll it, shy.

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of the type of ad we got going on. DK, are you, are you ready? Are you ready for your quote? Nope. I don't think I'm ever ready for my quote, but damn it, I'll try. I'll dread it, you know, run from it. Yeah.

It's going to arrive. All right. Quote, the difference between gods and demons largely depends upon where one is standing at the time. Is that the quote? That's the quote, yeah. That's gotta be some word bear shit. Bro, we're literally reading about word bears right now.

I know, I know, that's why. And that's like the whole schick, right? Is, you know, well, I don't want to spoil stuff that happens in the book. Wait, I'm sorry, do you think I'm so lazy that we're just going to cover goddamn Lorgar before the book club about Lorgar? Yeah. Well, you're right. He's an episode about Lorgar.

Let's go! I knew it! Yes! Especially since you were like, oh yeah, the timing on this is pretty good, considering the ad we got an first heretic. I was like, yeah, you know. And that is definitely a very, like, the difference between gods and demons. It's like, yo, that is literally Lorgar's big strife. And the big turning point in that book is when he's like, oh, hey, the old ways?

There's a little something to him. There's a little bit going on there. Actually, the reason it was a solid time for the ad is because the ad keeps his hair loss company and Lorgar's bald as shit. Oh. That was, I didn't make that connection. I even mention it in, because, okay, so we always filmed the, I filmed the ads like separately, and then we put it in the episode for our viewers who don't know that. And so you don't realize that during the ad I'm literally like, man, Lorgar is evil, probably because he's bald.

So that's why you need our sponsor Damn, all right, okay, okay It's shenanigans Anyway, yes So this is going to be A two weeks of word bearers Honestly, we're going to have Lorgar Today

And then the book club Will be at the end of this week And then we will have the word bearers Overall episode the week after that So you're gonna get a You're gonna get ham fisted in the face With some Lorgar Which I think it's acceptable

Considering the fact that Lorgar is really like to ham fist his ideals in your face? Yeah, sure. It's Bible Study Week. Let's go. Lorgar. Lorgar. Lorgar.

Lorgar, Orrelian. Primark of the word bearers legion, the 17th Legion as well. Lorgar. Lorgar. Lorgar. Lorgar Orrelian. Also known as the Urizen,

which is Colchisian for Wisest of the Wise And if we're talking about Talking about Lorgar Like we spoke Like we're talking in the book We have to talk

Where Lorgar speaks much like this Like he is a very Enlightened individual He's got a very Pious tone to him Yeah he's pious Always giving a sermon Yeah

Side note The First Heretic is Really fucking good Oh yeah It is It is it is not a very happy book. But the first,

the first, like, third is pretty happy. Well, oh, really? Oh, yeah, because, you know. The first 5% is not, but the next, like, 20%'s okay. I was going to say, it starts off with monarchy

getting wrecked by ultramarines and, and all that. I was like, that is not a happy start at all. No, it's not. And then Gilliman has this wonderful. Is there a tantrum over, Lorgar?

Which makes me dislike and like Gilliman both the same time. Anyway, Lorgar. So, the biggest chunk of the first heretic book is the, raising the monarchy all the way to the end of the pilgrimage.

And because I know that the sequel to that book, which is Betrayer, I believe then covers the Battle of Kalth and the Shadow Crusade against the Ultramarines along with our big boy, Angron. Oh, yeah. So we will most likely not cover a ton of the pilgrimage of Lorgar.

We'll cover a little bit of it, but since it's mainly in the book and it's the book club, we can just save that for the book club. Yeah, yeah. Because there's plenty to talk about. So because of that, I really put a lot more effort in trying to understand Lorgar's raising and a little bit of his interactions with other Primark's. afterwards, because the book gets you a good amount of your boy, boy Maggie. Yeah, Magnus gets a little screen time.

He does, and he's, he's kind of a bro. He is, he definitely is. I love the fact that, you know, when they're done convening, Magnus is like, okay, I'm going to teleport out here, see ya, and just blows the entire room apart. Longer's like, I need to talk to Magnus about the dangers of teleportation in small spaces. He just destroys this entire observatory. Everybody comes in all right. Are you okay in Lorgar?

And he's like, yeah, why wouldn't I be? Like, oh. Idiot. So, Lorgar Arellian. One, obviously, more for the viewers, not for you. All of the primarks were created by the emperor and then were scattered across the galaxy by the chaos gods. Lorgar ended up on the planet of Colchus.

And we already know of Colchis. a bit and is a, uh, it is three times the size of earth and spins way slower. Uh, it's, there is most definitely the, a heavy emphasis on like Middle Eastern, Egyptian, um, but like not Egyptian in the sense of like the pyramids and the thousand suns, the crons, but yeah, there's, there's certainly a lot of like the, uh, more like, it's, say, I'd say a lot more Arabic, kind of, uh, um, Pakistani, a little bit of that going on with, with the, the fact that the entire planet is a horribly hot desert, uh, and all of the, uh, well, yeah, modern E, Chey corrects me and says modern Egypt is very much Arabic, but,

I'm trying to differentiate them with like the Cron's and the thousand suns that are very obviously like pyramids and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, a lot of their major cities are up by the water, you know, they're the Nile, et cetera. So, when he arrives there, Colchis is already a very faithful planet. It's already a very religious planet.

And he was found in his gestation capsule, capsule. So the ruling priesthood of this planet was known as the covenant. This was the ruling religious faction of Colchis. Lorgar was found by these desert outcasts Outcasts of the Covenant Known as the Declines They just stumbled upon his capsule

And named him Lorgar Which means rain collar In Colchisian Okay His capsule wasn't happened Wasn't by chance floating in a river Or something was it? No I think he was just in the desert

Okay so they're not going too on the nose with sort of the imagery of, oh, we found, we found this baby in the river, abandoned. Maybe he is our savior, you know.

Ah, yes. They're not going that on the nose with Lorgar and his religious overtones. You know, I actually, they said they found it. I don't know if they found it in the river or not. I'm not sure. I don't think it's specified desert.

You don't know if GW. I bet they did. Oh, don't worry. It gets worse. Oh, boy. Don't you worry. So 17 days after him being found, he was already the size of a small child.

You know, that's just the way of my marks off. Yeah, they grow fast. Another man named Corferon, which we know much of. Yeah, we know him, yeah. I also think he might take the cake for worst father. That is quite the prize to win in the universe of 40K If you have the title of worst dad

He's definitely top five Mortarian's father was not was pretty bad also Um Biggie is a pretty terrible dad yeah Biggie is pretty terrible as well There's some bad ones out there but uh yeah Corferon wow is he a piece of shit Holy Christ

literally, you know, Holy Ghost, etc. He was an exiled member of the covenant, the religious faction. He was exiled because he believed the covenant needed harsher and more aggressive conversion methods for their religious conclave. Oh, no. So he was too cruel. Oh, he's that guy. He's that guy. So he found Lorgar.

And he was like, okay, well, first, to back this up real quick, the covenant is a polytheistic religion. And it dedicates its focus on four entities, known as the powers. Ah. Yeah, yeah. Gee, I wonder who the powers are, eh? Yeah, gee, I wonder why there's only four.

Hmm, yeah, four of them, four chaos. Yeah, so the entire planet worships chaos, but under a much more benevolent kind of vision, you know. They don't really necessarily know that they're chaos gods, but they know that they're the four powers. Yeah, they know that they're deities. They just don't realize that they're chaos deities that want to eat all of humanity and feed on them.

Pretty much. Socor Pharon believed that Lorgar had been blessed by the powers. So in order to take him in, he decided to murder the entire declined group that found Lorgar to cover up their identity and then took Lorgar in as his adoptive son.

Okay, yeah, he does indeed sound like a giant piece of shit, you're right. Oh, it gets so much worse. So Corferon was consistently, emotionally, and physically abusive to Lorgar. Now, I'm not quite sure how far he could be physically abusive to Lorgar, all things considered,

because this is fucking Lorgar. Yeah. But he was, was consistently emotionally abusive. He would often beat him. He would often degrade him. And he would, in fact, so often emotionally manipulate him

to try to create a dependency on him. Oh, boy. Yeah, you're right. He is. What a piece of shit, dad. Mm-hmm. Corferon wanted to gaslight Lorgar into believing that Lorgar needed Corfey.

Pharon in order to be around. Now, Lorgar, with his teachings, he was very devout in his faith, obviously. Obviously, yeah, it's Lorgar. But he believed that there was actually a singular god, a one god, that was the encapsulation of the Pantheon and had like the four powers under it, or he had bound the four powers under one god. Now, Corpiron thought this was heresy, and so would naturally abuse Lorgar every time he brought this up. Sure.

But he would also use Lorgar's immense skill and utilize his son in an attempt to take over the covenant as well. Because he hated the covenant because they kicked him out because he was too mean. So much like Pertarabo's dad kind of utilized his skills for his own gain, so did. So did Corferum. Lorgar or sorry, Corferon actually had a mutiny against him from the group.

Wow, what a surprise that Corferrin and his awful leadership ability and just abusing and killing anyone that... It's such a surprise that he would get a mutiny. Oh, oh, that's even worse for the reason of the mutiny. Oh, great. They mutinied against Corferron because Corpheur told them to go beat Lorgar for a small transgression and they said no. Wow

He's like Go beat my son He spilled the milk And they were like You know what Fuck you Corferon You fucking piece of shit I am

God damn it No No We refuse We're challenging you And then because Lorgar has been emotionally Manipulated this whole time

He was incredibly devout Towards Corferon So Lorgar murdered all of them Yeah well I suppose knowing What we know from the book It's like yeah Lorgar is indeed

devoutly loyal to Corpheran and and and sees him as like this really uh he sees him as a good dad he's he's very respectful and loyal to him and always listens to him so yeah i really that lines up and that's that sucks that sucks they really they really decide to go hard with the uh horribly overbearing religious parents extreme on this one oh yeah they did didn't they yeah some reason i hadn't even made that connection but it's like oh yeah Yep, that you see in, like, horror movies and, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's no wire hangers ever. Oh.

No. Oh, no. So, after Lorgar saved Corferrin's life, he actually started showing more affection towards Lorgar. He started appreciating him more. Yeah, shocking. Eventually, Lorga became an arch priest of the covenant, and he was named by Corferrin's.

on as the bearer of the word. Hey. Hey. They create a new kind of conclave of religious, like, zealots, known as the god sworn. Because it was the, well, I guess the singular god, but basically they freed a whole bunch of slaves across cultures. And they marched them up to the capital, which, uh, I, it's escaping me, the name of the capital, but they go to it in the book. Uh, crap.

I actually forget what the name of the main capital was. It's obviously not monarchy. It's, uh... Oh, yeah. Veradesh. It's so hard to remember some of these names in 40K. Like, there's a lot. It's, uh, it's Veridesh.

That was the one. Hmm. Um, so he marched up to the capital. He had this giant sermon at the bottom of the gates. Then they opened the gates and gave him like the heads of all the ruling class and was like, we agree with you. Okay. Come on in, Lorgar.

Shock, wow. No way. That worked. It was. It worked. It's like, I am... He was just on the ground, just giving a fiery sermon. And people were seeing this primark, like, oh, my good God, we believe you.

So he eventually became the new ruling member of the Covenants with Corferon as his high priest as well. So Lorgar Master of Colchus, Corferon, high priest. And they went over, taking over the rest of the planet, naturally, because that's what all the primarks did. To one, to the final city. the final city named

Go Gohah fuck Um Ghahevara Jesus Uh It had an artifact

from the age technology called a storm generator Which was a giant raging lightning storm around the city to protect them So naturally

In his majesty Lorgar walked up to it And parted the storm Oh wow And his army went through the gap of the storm he parted and took over the city Okay I mean hey you know at least they they didn't have him you know part the Part the sea I guess you know at least he didn't part the red sea and you know but yeah Okay okay okay I mean he he is the pious religious

You know savior image so I I can't even I guess I get it, but man, that's really on the nose. I can't even say at least, like, that's, that's too much. I'm right there. That's, that's dumb. That's so dumb. It's, it's, it's, it's too much, GW. Just tone it, be a little more subtle, eh?

Just a taincy bit. Just a taincy bit more subtle. So, uh, anywho, after that, Lorgar eventually revealed to the populace that he had this belief in this one god, which, uh, did not go very well with the populace. who believed in the old ways naturally. So he had to spend a decent amount of time putting out civil wars and problems of that nature.

But Corpheron also confided in the Lord God. I was like, hey, listen, I still kind of believe in the old ways and the four gods, but I believe that the one god is like the strongest of their number, et cetera. I'm meeting a halfway son I've abused. So eventually, You know, Lorgar is like, the coming of the emperor will be eventually. He was the one God.

The emperor came and Lorgar said, oh my goodness, I was right. Oh, yes. God does exist. I was right the whole time. My faith has been tested. And I have been the victor. Damn. Et, et cetera.

So, so when the emperor arrives, the first thing he does is like, to a knee. He's like, oh yeah. 100%. 100%. Here we are. I'm here. I'm here for you.

Yep, yep, yep. I'm surprised the emperor even needed to say anything. He probably showed up and Lorgar was already on his knees,

hands clasped in prayer and whatever you wish, my king. And then you constantly refer to him as a god and everyone's like, stop that. And then it's like, whatever you say,

God. I will do as you say, God. Stop calling me God. As you wish God. As you wish God. As you wish divine being. Don't call me that either.

Oh, stop it. Okay, Jesus. Stop it. I said stompin. You're making me mad. I'm going to burn down your spaghetti city. Yeah, I'm going to burn down to your monarchy. Hey, hey, Gileman's going to be standing there.

It's going to be like, what up, bitch. Anyway, the emperor arrives, you know, he gives him his legion, the time. I believe his original Legion's name I actually don't remember his original Legion's name it was um you know you know there's a gap in my knowledge that's uh no

Bricky not knowing something it's never been heard of before I think it was the Imperial something Imperial Herald's Shai says No that's that's Harold World Claimer Got him Love it Got him. Just imagining that raptor with the spear and just Harold's face.

All right. So, yeah, the Imperial Herald's originally, my bed. So obviously, then he kind of goes on out with some of his newest startis. He can't necessarily have Corferon become Astardis via regular means. So he has him massively altered with tons and tons and tons of, bionics and things like that almost kind of not necessarily a custodian

those are more like made in test tubes but he allows him to where the starries are and become a powerful starries and stuff through the use of massive bionic modifications as opposed to a genuine like procedure.

I didn't realize that you could just take an adult and like put him in saromite and buy it like make them a pseudo-a-starities like that. I know that it wasn't easy and they spent a good amount of time and money and effort

doing all this shit for him. I'm assuming it's not cheap whatsoever either. Yeah, it's not a very commonplace thing to do. No, absolutely not. During this time, of course, there was also this one guy. You may know him, his name is Erebus. You son of a bitch.

Now, do you, Do you remember how Arabis was named Arabis? Oh, shit. I remember you told me, but I gotta be honest with you, I don't remember. So, Erebus, as a kid, was always just like a piece of shit. He was just a troublemaker kid. It's just what he was. Like, that's just some bad eggs.

Makes sense. He was just a bad egg, and his parents would always scold him and say, hey, why couldn't you be more like that good kid over there, Aribus? So Erebus took that literally, went up and strangled the kid to death. And then decided to get his facial tattoos of the dead kid on his own face and then took the name Arabis. Wow. What an absolute shitbag. He's just, he's full stop.

Yeah, full stop shitbag, awful. So, Erebus maintained his belief with the powers, the four chaos gods, even when Lorgar was taken over stuff. And he kind of just stood in the background. very kind of quietly had his own faith and stuff and didn't really believe in Lorgar's one god deal and even when when he joins the Legion eventually as his first and lead chaplain you know he was really there to subvert Lorgar the whole time

in the belief of the of the chaos gods yep that makes sense because he believe a very arabist thing to do sure yeah because he believes in the chaos gods that's his faith he believes that he believes in the gods Like, he wants people, other people to believe in the, in the chaos gods as well. So, the Great Crusade arrives and Lorgar is particularly bad at it. Yep, sure is.

Because he's not a big fan of, I'm going to murder everyone on the planet and take over by force. I am going to murder a lot of people, but I am then going to readjust the populace and make them believe in the word of the emperor and build monuments and statues. shoes and yada yada so he was a fucking geriatric man in the in the fast lane like he was going 40

yeah because his problem is he wants to convert the entire planet to emperor worship and that takes time instead of just raising the whole thing to the ground and being like yep that's the emperors now let's recede it I think he was the slowest of the primarks when it came to

worlds I think you're right yeah I think he was probably the slowest. I can't think of someone else who was slower at the moment. I mean, shit, Kerr's conquered on a budget. It didn't work for very, it didn't work for long, but he conquered on a budget. The lion and like Gilliman were just stomping

through people. Oh yeah, Gilliman was probably real quick, real efficient. Yeah, and also, I think Gilman already had like a hundred worlds done in the Ultramar system by the time the Emperor even found him. Damn. Because he's Gilliman, and Gilliman has the greatest

dis-taxes known to man. Stupid boy scout. Stupid blue Giliman with his little blue bitch. I only like Gilliman when he wakes up with ultra-depression and has an interesting story. I think Gilliman being kind of a shitter earlier

is kind of funny though, it adds a little bit. Oh yeah, definitely. Oh, I said alongside Dorn and Gilliman, Lorgar was one of the rare conquerors who left the conquered place in a better state than before the conquest. But we ain't about quality here, boy, we're about quantity rollout them virus bombs.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. Dorn and Gilleman would take the place and they would turn it into a goddamn, a real functioning planet. Lorgar turned it into a faithfully functioning planet, but that would take double the time. Oh, yeah, definitely. Because telling you to go pick up that box is easy. Telling you to abandon your prior religious beliefs and believe in one god emperor.

is a little harder. Yeah, just a little bit. So Lorgar not being too great at his job, ended up with a, you know, you know, just the interesting thing. It took like a hundred years of this Great Crusade, like a hundred years, I think, of this Great Crusade before the raising of Monarchia.

So either the Emperor, because the Emperor had to have known that he was doing what he was doing. Yeah, yeah. But I bet he would have turned a fucking eye to it. Kind of like how he turned a blind eye to the way Kurs did his stuff. But it was because he was so slow.

You know what's strange to me is like, at no point in that 100 years, like after maybe like 10, Biggie wouldn't go to Lorgar and be like, hey, buddy, look, really appreciate what you're doing, but you got to pick up the pace, bud. Instead of just like, oh, it's been 100 years, Hey, Lorgar, I despise everything that you're doing. goodbye monarchy

snap and then just burn it all the ground like there was never a point where it was like hey Lord our buddy maybe maybe cut back on the religious stuff maybe pick up the pace a little bit you don't have to convert everybody to worshipping me which I don't think you should do anyway he just yeah I'm here to burn

everything you've ever loved and known to the ground well if if he did that what would that make the emperor I'd make him a good dad wouldn't and we know he ain't that Also, 10 years is not a whole long, like not a lot of time when it comes to conquering planets.

True, but some smaller interval of time than 100 years. He lets this go on for a hundred years before he's like, he shows up and he's like, yeah, you've been doing it wrong all this time. I do wonder if he was, say, distracted as it or was busy finding the other sons. or if at the time he was dealing with other issues. I have no idea. Probably not. But yeah, his decision to punish Lorgar for what he's doing by burning down Jerusalem from the sky with the ultramarine Legion

and then forcing them to psychically kneel in front of him maybe wasn't the best idea. Yeah, I remember that part in the book because for some reason, I remember you talking about it And I, in my head, I was just like, oh, yeah, if the emperor showed up, Lorgar and the word bears, they would just kneel, you know, it's fine. And then the book was like, yeah, they were psychically forced to kneel. And it was like, this is not obedience.

Or like, this isn't worship. This is slavery. And it's like, oh, God. Oh, God. He literally just said the word Lorgar three times with, like, his mind. And it would, and it sent all the word bears to their, like, not just to their knees, but, like, it, like, launched them to the ground. It was a genuine wave of a psychic bearers.

blast that knocked him over. Yep. And you're just Lorgar. Lorgar. He just keeps the other. Lorgar! Fump. Everybody do the flop.

Boom. Damn, that's an old reference. Oh, shit. That's actually not a bad one for this one. Yeah. Just the entire 100,000 word bears and lore. Everyone do the flop. Boom.

Yeah, that's what he psychically sent out to all of the word bears. Do you hear that? brother. Everybody do love. They all just like land on their backs. Yeah. Just the sound of a hundred thousand clanging seramite. But so yes, the raising of monarchy was in the book.

We'll talk about that at the book club. This, of course, is followed by Erebus and Corferon, convincing Lorgar. And, you know, convincing, I guess. But at the same time, I think Lorgar would have eventually gone down this path anyway. considering what he was doing and dealing with. Because it basically just said like, yeah, I mean, perhaps just because the emperor is a god doesn't mean that he is god worthy of worship. Maybe he might just because like, oh, like the divinity is worth worshipping simply because it is divine.

Whereas that's the problem, like that isn't what it should be, yada, yada. So, yeah, naturally, it's the concept of... I actually really like how they discuss religion, especially him and Magnus. Remember in a live stream we did a little bit ago, I was like, there's always the touchy topic of female space marines. And I was like, you know, if they wanted to make one of the two fake, one of the two destroyed legions, one of those,

like I probably wouldn't mind. Like, it's like whatever. But then I heard Magnus and Lorgar being like, yeah, What about our two other brothers that got purged? And I'm like, ah, damn it. Yeah, well, they could very easily go back in redcon that and just be like, oh, yeah, they just didn't know. They were just assuming. You know, they're just stupid dudes assuming things.

Yeah, it's fine. I think they do know, don't they? Because they had some shockingly decent talk about, like, the two destroyed legions. Even Lorgo was about to mention something, and Magnus was like, A, we don't talk about it. We don't, we don't talk about Bruno. No, no, no. I'm sure we're going to have a very, a very, very calm comment section.

Oh, yeah, sure. Naturally. But that being aside, yeah, it was interesting the idea of, like, Lorgar, you don't want to be the third now, do you? Yeah. You don't want to be number three because you kept defying the emperor or whatever. But I like their talk about the pilgrimage. You know, the pilgrimage is just, it's what the religious people did. They found their anything or whatever.

Yeah, they found their... their faith. Yeah, and this time it was the pilgrimage into the warp, which goes as expected. Yeah, it sure does. It goes about as, yeah, it goes about as shit to the wall as it can possibly go. It really do. We'll discuss this in the book club. But the pilgrimage happens, Lorgar finds out that there are the chaos gods.

Erebus is like, check out the chaos gods. Corferon's like, wow, the chaos gods. Lorgar's like, okay, holy shit, the chaos. gods. I found my gods. I found the thing I want to worship. They do exist. They do exist.

He learns about Sledesh. He learns about the fall of the Eldar. Learns about all those major visions. He talks with Maggie again when Maggie is not doing hot. Maggie just was very hot as, you know, Prospero burned. Yeah, burned to fucking grounds. Literally hot. So, you know, things were rough.

And Lorgar was gone for, what was like 43 years? in the warp or something, which was actually like not that long at all. Yeah, it was some 40-odd years, yeah. He was out there. So he finally comes back, he arrives, and he's like, I have determined that there are gods worthy of worship,

and that the chaos gods are not innately heaven or hell, but it is a fluid motion. It is heaven and hell. The chaos gods need humanity to, um, to prosper. And it is in fact, not their goal to consume us, but

in fact, to have a sympathetic combination to be together, to be one, the materium and the immaterial. Well, that's essentially what the primordial truth is, right? Is that one leads to the other, and it's almost a symbiotic relationship where to make the immaterial, you like to make the immaterial world, you need the material world, and the material world needs that whole schick or something. I think it's also the existence of the chaos gods as well. Like the primarial truth is just like,

this, this is the warp. These are the chaos gods, heaven, hell. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the truth. Which is the, um, I like that picture. Should I just post it? It's like, read, bitch. Read!

That is a picture and a half. Yeah, that's fair. However, like, it goes back to the, the biggest and most famous quote by Lorgar, which is the opening lines of the book of Lorgar, which is what he writes after his pilgrimage, which is, All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow.

I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth. Damn. So it's all he wanted. Which is, after reading the book, I believe him.

You know, like, all he wanted was to know these gods exist. This is a thing. His whole thing was he just wanted to know, like, if the gods existed, who they were. And, like, you know, because he's so religious. He, like, it felt like Lorgar needed something to worship. Like, he could not live in a world. where there was not a deity for him to worship. And he just wanted to know the truth.

Are they out there? Are they not? Is there something to worship? Is there something greater than us? And yeah, that's, that, that is a very Lorgar quote. Holy shit. It makes me like, so, so I've determined the fact that I think Lorgar, I like Lorgar, and I also fucking hate Lorgar.

Agreed. I am stuck in between. I am stuck in between. Also, why does that draw? of Lorgar look like handsome Squidward. Because he looks like handsome Squidward. He does! Wait, did you make a SpongeBob reference?

Yeah, I knew. I've, I've seen the handsome Squidward memes. I've seen those May-Mays. Okay, well, you had to ruin it like that, but you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he does. He does, I know, he does. I actually really like this one image of Lorgar.

It's a fan-drawn version of him, but I think it's probably the the one I like the most, mainly because it not only doesn't make him look fucking awesome, but it also kind of gives him a little bit more of like that, I think this artist draws the characters

a little bit closer to like the ethnicity they're based around. Yeah, he looks great in that picture. Also, his armor is so sick that it has like the upper half of the skeleton on it. That's so cool. And his, his cudgel

looks amazing. his uh his cudgel yeah the big mace thing oh his crozius yeah yeah croosius that's the word I was looking for cudgel sounds like a sex toy isn't a cudgel just like a big hammer

like a big like mace hammer type deal it's a sex toy now okay anywho um anything kind of I kind of hate Lord Gar but I kind of like him uh I kind of believe him

sometimes when he speaks to his sons like he's definitely got the preachers the piousness he sometimes genuinely seems like he gives a shit about his sons yeah he does he's also kind of selfish and sometimes he like he knew exactly what the fuck was going to happen to Argel Tal oh yeah I he even kind of tells Argyltal that

doesn't he where it was like Argyltal was like you knew it was going to happen happened when we went into the void, didn't you? And he's like, well, I mean, I didn't know exactly, but I had a good idea of what was going to happen to you. Yeah, yeah, I was kind of sacrificing you. You know, like, I was, I was kind of sending you to your doom and I knew it. Sorry. And there, and there other times were like, you know, a couple word bearers will die and he'll seem like he's just in terrible grief over it. And it's like, make up your mind, Lorgar, what the fuck is wrong with you? I, yeah, because, like, the monarchy thing, he, he,

he really finds the value of faith to be genuinely important. Oh yeah, absolutely. Not just because he's a zealotist crazy man, but because he, I think he's right. The human desire for faith is a very important aspect and nothing does bind people as easily as that does. And, you know, I believe him on that stuff.

I also believe him when he says he's not a soldier. I believe him when he says he doesn't want to be like a conquer. He wants to write and and be a, you know, be a philosopher and be a priest and have sermons. Like, I believe him. 100%. He is not as quick to violence as some of the other primarks are. He's not as quick to just, like, immediately squash you with his bare hands or something.

I mean, he has that power and he is that intimidating, but it's not like he just, it's not like his first answer is like, I'm just going to wring your neck out. Which is also interesting because he can flip. and on a hair I remember there's the part in the book when he was telling the custodians to leave him be as he addresses his sons and he's being very

and he's got that smile on his face, he's got his hands clasped and he's like well you know this is a very important thing for me and my sons we would appreciate the privacy and they kept saying no and he's like I see this is why you are made in a test tube as a genetic like fucking

abortion and I would not piss on you if you were on fire actual words said by Lorgar. He legitimately calls the custodians genetic abortions that were made in test tubes. It's like, whoa, Lorgar's spitting fire. Damn! It was so bizarre to hear Lorgar,

primark of the word bearers, say, I would not piss on you even if you were on fire. Yeah, to a custodian. Like, holy shit. And then he tells everyone to point their guns at them and makes them leave. Yeah, yeah.

Which is just, Like, it's how quick. He puts on a face. He puts on this, this, like, divine kind of guys. But that guy is quickly shattered when he doesn't get what he wants. Yeah, definitely. He's very much, okay, that last picture, shy post, it makes him look like a porn star. Look at that fucking face.

Yeah, it kind of does. A little bit. He's got them hungry eyes. Hungry eyes Those eyes are hungry But Yeah So he's

He's so self-absorbed But also I do believe He does care about other people He's shown the most compassion out of any of the Primarchs I've read about Besides maybe

No besides maybe like Magnus does a pretty good job I'd say And sanguinius Sanguinius is pretty wonderful But Of course sanguinius Of course sanguidius

But like despite all He's That first like third of the book his word bearers are pretty decent people. They're like going around to the populace like giving their faith scrolls and blessing them and they're always like, oh,

thank you, great angel. Yeah. You know, contrasts that with the marches on the stroma. Oh, yeah. There's a difference. Yeah, a little difference, yeah, sure.

So anyway, the pilgrimage ends. And then after the pilgrimage in his time way, it then comes the major sections of the Horace heresy. Now, during of course, I'm not sure it was during this time or after, but Aribus eventually does shank Horace with like,

or Horace gets shanked by the fancy anathema dagger and gives him. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then Aribus helps save him, which gives him the visions of chaos and slowly starts corrupting him, yada, yada, yada. But by the time Horace has that happening and the heresy erupts, like Lorgar is already the war bears are already full stop

fucking traitor. Oh, yeah. I would imagine by this point, yeah, they're already full-stop traitor, and they're worshipping what they assume are the old gods, the old ways that they learned about on cultures. Horace is not the first heretic. The first heretic is. Lorgar. Lorgar. He is the first heretic, yeah. That's why Lorgar, it's like everything is Lorgar's fault. It's not the worst statement. I mean, that's true. I guess if Lorgar was the...

not as keen to sort of find faith and religion and something to worship. I mean, I guess the chaos gods probably would have been found out eventually. Definitely by Magnus, who was already kind of having problems with Zinche. Well, that's fair, actually. That's true. Because that's happening around this time, too, isn't it? Yeah. There's, I mean, it's a lot of moving parts. But Lorgar was already in cahoots with chaos far before the Horacee erupt him. But the Horace heresy did in fact erupt. They, They virus bombed Isvan 3. They culled their own ranks of the loyalist versions.

They did the drop site massacre as well, you know, all that fun stuff. And the drop site massacre, the big fight that was going on was a good old him versus Corvus Corax, the Raven. Corvus Corax, yep. So the fight that ensued on Isvan 5 was quite, was quite, the something. Quite the something, yeah, yeah. It was quite the something. As they were having their major

battles and the like, the main, well, okay, I'm skipping something for in a, for a bit. I believe that this is post post the, um,

no, yes, so the, sorry, it would be the fight of Calth will be first, which I believe is the, uh, Nusaria and the Kalth and the Shadow Crusade, which is all of the shit in goddamn... Now, damn it, now... God damn it, Horace heresy. Fucking difficult to figure out. I'm trying to figure out if the Kaltz stuff happened before the Dropsite massacre or after.

I think it happens after? Yeah, it's after. Okay, yeah, it's after. Okay, I was right. It goes... Okay, it's the Pilgrimage of Lorgar, then the Isfong 3 virus bomb. the Dropside Massacre, and then after that, it's the Battle of Calh and the Shadow Crusade. Okay, okay, okay, okay, we're back on the timeline.

We're back on timeline. I got it back. All right. So in the Dropside Massacre, you have the clash of the Raven and the Yurizen, him being the Yorizun. This was interesting as Lorgar and Corvus Klorax started going blows with each other. And Argel Tal was also along with his special group of people The Galve Warback were fighting the Raven, the Ravengar, and Lorgar was fighting the Ravenguard, and, you know, naturally the Raven was fighting Argyl Tal.

And Corvus Korak's fighting Argel Tal is a swift grave for Argeltaal. Yeah, I was going to say that is a big mismatch, so I got to assume Argyltal unfortunately does bite the dust. Uh, new. Argyltal may not be a guy in 40K, but, uh, which means he definitely dies at some point during the heresy,

but I'm not telling you when. Oh, okay, cool. So Corpus Quartz doesn't kill him, huh? No, I know when Argyl tall dies and, who boy! We'll get, we'll get to that. Oh boy!

We'll get to that if we ever end up reading that book. Oh, okay. I'll guess in one of the other books, gotcha. In order to save Argyltal from the Raven, him and Lorgar, or Raven and Lorgar fight. They have their big old duel, because they have all these Primark duels down there. You know, you had Fulgrim and Ferris Manus,

which ended up with Ferris Mass Dime. Lorgar is not a fighter. He's still a primark, but he is not a fighter. However, he finally was able to break out his psychic potential. that he's always had but never had a good ability to manifest. And by finally using it, but in order to save Argyltal,

he screamed out this psychic energy from his mind where he had like wings of psychic fire, actual wings, and just his entire body was like haloed by trails of psychic fucking strength. I think he actually had a halo, which is hilarious to me, but...

Oh. regardless so badass holy shit wins a fire psychic trail and a crazy halo let's go so it was

Lorgar's actual psychic wings versus Corvus Korak's giant metal wings of like jet packs and so they

they fight each other this unfortunately does indeed mean that Lorgar is still despite this all not a fighter

so Korax decides to kind of body him as he is the Raven Lord. He is like a master of assassination and murder. So he decided to shove his giant clawed talons into his stomach. Oh no.

Oh, Lorgar, no. And as he dropped his Croziest mace through it. And he, Lord Gar would headbutt cracks his face. shattering his nose, but he wouldn't let go. And he kept headbutting him, breaking up his face, but he would not let go. And eventually Korak ripped out his fucking blades from his body doing far more damage than the initial impaling. Oh, okay, okay. So Lorgar's stomach is like a hole, like four giant serrated holes.

Oh, Lorgar. And as Korak went to go slice him dead, a different piece of metal caught his remaining talon instead. And Korax looked to his side and saw a man known as Conrad Kerr's. Oh, okay. Who saved Lorgar's life. Let's go, Kurs? And Kurs grabbed onto his, Kourax's wrist and wouldn't let him go.

In order to try to kill Lorgar. So eventually Kourak just fired his jetpack and flew away. Okay. And naturally, Kurz laughed his ass off at this guy because he's insane. No, not Curz. He's not insane. What? No.

No, no, no at all. Totally in his right mind. Yeah, even the Lord Gar and said, this is the last time I'm ever going to save your life. Like, he looked at all of his possessed fucking wordbearers near him. All of his like half demon infested fucking word bears and was like, Curz looked at him as like, you disgust me. You are not only are you foul, but you are rancid with corruption. I, like, you are, like, Conrad Kerr's, look to, to Lorgar, who is missing multiple sections of his stomach and he's like, I hate you.

You're gross. You're gross. Imagine Curz of all people like, yeah, you're disgusting. Gross. So. Everybody gets one. Everyone gets one. So, so after that, uh, they, uh, they, you know.

They have a couple moments of, he speaks to Magnus for a bit, learning more chaos, probable truth, etc. There is the Battle of Calth, which we covered pretty extensively in the Angron and Older's True Marine episodes. Because this is when they fight Gilliman, and Gilliman eventually punches Angron so hard, one of his old slave skulls falls off and Gillman crushes it under his foot,

and Angron goes ballistic. Goes crazy, yep. And so this is when Lorgar starts chanting in the chaos world because the two of them are buddies, or they sure seemed like they were buddies, because then, you know, Angron was fighting Gilman, was probably going to die. Lorgar saves him.

Saves him. The World Eaters librarians were trying to remove Angron's soul from his body and attempt to save his life from the butcher nails. But Lorgar being Lorgar was, like, I want to make him a big demon. Wow, that's such a Lorgar thing to do. Oh, Lorgar. Oh, that Lorgar.

Open the sky up. It started raining blood. Fucking transforms Angron into a giant demon, like the last thing you would have wanted. He just wanted to die. Yep. He just wanted to die. He just wanted a swift end. If you're a World Eaters fan, I feel like you want to, you fucking hate goddamn

Lorgar for what he did to your brain. primark. Yeah. But hey, look at the mini now, huh? The mini is very cool. The new Angron Mini,

with his ripped bicep wings. The mini is very cool. I will give you that. Super slick. But that, of course, Battle of Calh, they eventually bail

after destroying a shitload of the ultramarine stuff. The Fidelis-Lex ship burns to the ground. We've covered a lot of this stuff in all the ultramarine episodes. Mm-hmm. And really

Eventually Anger Or he Lorgar attempted to Usurp Horus Wow really Lorgar attempted to Usurp Horus?

Yeah He thought that Horace would eventually lead to the death of the death of the heresy

Because Lorgar was unfit So he tried to usurp him But he was betrayed And then Horus beat him To an inch of his

life And was like Fuck off Yeah I imagine in a fight Horace would absolutely body Lorgar. Like, it wouldn't even be

even remotely a contest. Lorgar does not win many Primark fights, for he is not a fighter. He is a philosopher. And Horace is the fucking war master. He is the guy, and he's also pretty jacked on chaos right now. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, I guess Horace is kind of jacked on chaos at this point. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I'm sorry, what is this shy? Being demons sucks, but hey, being dead like Senguinius is better. Am I right, Blood Angels fans? Because Sanguineus is dead.

Remember how he died from death? Remember how he's dead? Oh, man. But I like Sanguineas. Well, he's dead. I guess the Blood Angels are far more interesting for having endured the death of Sanguineus than if he had survived.

And they were just like, oh, yeah, we're all just so cool. Beep, beep, boop. You know, I guess they're better off. Like Ultramarines. Exactly. They'd just be like Ultramarines light if Sanguinius was still around, I guess.

I think it's a reason why I like the Night Lord so much Conrad Kerr's being alive really takes away from the intrigue of the Legion Yeah Anywho You know the heresy itself occurs They fail Obviously The word bearers are barely at all present

At the actual battle for Terra They're actually They're barely there at all They have one group I think is because he tried to usurp horace. Wow. Oh, so, so Lorgar tried

to usurp Horace during the, during them trying to take over Terra? No, before that. But he wasn't at, he wasn't at the

battle for Terra because he was fighting the Ultramarines and the Shadow Crusade. But I do believe there was a chunk of war bearers that went to go

fight in the Battle of Terra, but like it's like not many. It was only maybe 5,000 of them. I can quite remember the exact number. But yeah, the rest of them were fighting. That's not a lot, yeah.

Yeah, the rest of them we're keeping the Ultramarines busy in the Shadow Crusade because the Ultramarines had the large, one of the largest goddamn battle fleets out there. If you can keep the Ultramarines busy, yeah, you definitely don't want them getting into that fight, if at all possible.

So that was his job. They fail, obviously, at the Horacee, and then Lorgar runs away into the warp, as with most of the other people. He spends, he's trying his best. I believe he is a demon Primark now, just like the rest. Oh, is he actually a demon primark?

I think he's got these, like, big ass horns on his head now and the like. Is there a mini or a picture of him as a demon primark? Because I don't know that I've ever seen his, uh, demon form. Not a good, no mini, um, but not a good image of him as a demon primark. I think it's just, he looks like a, he's got like four horns on his head. I think, actually, I think this is him. So does Lorgar need a mini? Um, he's needed, oh.

I believe that if you, he would be one. one of the many demon primarks, much like Perchirabo, that would, uh... He'd need a new updated mini. He would need an actual, like, demon primark mini if you wanted to play him in 40K instead of 30K. Ooh, that, I mean, that form looks pretty cool. It's all right. I don't like, all right. I prefer his bald-ass head.

I kind of like that his horns basically form like a crown on his head. Yeah, and a little bit. He's pretty, he's pretty classic. There's some artist renditions. That's one that's shy, I think, just posted. You know, there's nothing wrong with the art that I try just posted, but I kind of don't like it. It's almost too much. Too spiky.

Yeah. Yeah, too spiky. I like the ones you posted a lot better. That one is, yeah, a little too much, a little too much going on on that one. I think the ones I posted, I believe are our canon. I think it's hard with art. There's so much fan art of these kinds of stuff. Oh, sure.

But he has ascended to an extent But at the same time This is kind of when Corvus Corax Fought him once And said something on the lines of I've got a taste for your blood now Lorgar I know where to find you And I believe for the next 9,000 years

He's been hiding away in his castle Like God damn it This fucking bird outside Okay that that's where that meme comes from Is because Corvus Quarks fought him And got a taste for his blood he's sort of got like this internal tracking on him, eh?

Not quite. I'm very much paraphrasing this kind of thing. Oh, okay, okay. It's funnier to imagine him in a big tower being caught at by a bird. He is no longer being caught at

if that's to make sense. He is back out and about. Recently, I believe it was in the last Codex edition. He was said that he is back out, leading the word bearers across the galaxy causing havoc again. Hooray. I guess that's not a hooray.

It's not a hooray. He is out of the warp. I think there's some question of whether or not Corvus Korak's actually a demon bird. I thought he was just regular bird. But it's like a fan theory that he's demon bird because he spent so much time fucking around Lorgar in the goddamn, uh... Oh, it's because he spent so much time in the warp trying to get Lorgar. that he actually turned into a demon himself

because he just assumed assumed that that was the thing but I think that's fan theory Oh, Shai says Lorgar said I sense no demon when he saw Korax literally Right, my question

Was that in the beginning like a thousand years after the heresy or is that like year 40K because if he's been in the warp fucking around with Horace Wait Lorgar said I sense no demon when he saw Corex as in mutant Corex

as in Big Bird? Wait, so wait, if he says he senses no demon in... So Corex just got mutated into a big bird not by chaos and not as a demon? He just kind of... Wait, okay, back this up real quick. I'm confused.

I'm, okay, I think there's two things. So, Lorgar said that Corvus Corax has been massively mutated and fucked up by the warp, so he's like a big bird. But he's not like a demon such as Fulgrim or being taken over.

I mean, I guess that makes sense because Kourax isn't necessarily worshipping any of the gods. So it's not like he would get turned into a demon like that fell under the jurisdiction of any one of them. It's just

Warp Fucky Wucky messed him up a little bit and now he's just a weird big mutated bird. Okay, that's what I thought was the case. I guess I get confused between like war-fucked a demon because normally they go hand in hand um so so okay i thought that corax was indeed a big scary fuck-off never more bird dude

but when i say bird demon i meant like oh my god it's giant horrifying and not like demon demon yeah so he's not a demon so to speak but he is mutated big monster bird and and it was constantly patrolling his tower until until now yeah um Okay, that's... But in the world of the Lorgar life, the pilgrimage of Lorgar is really the big thing,

the burning of monarchy and his horribly abusive childhood, which makes a lot of sense now why he's the way he is. Yeah, definitely. He hates Gilliman, obviously. There is... No surprise there, yeah. There's a wonderful stratagem in the new book, the new chaos book called Vengeance for Monarchia,

which is wonderful. Yep, if you fight ultramarines. you get a bunch of benefits. Hell yeah, brother. That's my kind of bonus. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. Well, it works both ways.

The factions that were on the dropside massacre have vengeance for Isvan 5, where they get benefits against the other people. Fair enough, fair enough. But regardless, yeah, Lorgar here is currently in Demon Primark mode. This actually had me looking up something about demons and demon Primark's. Oh, yeah. I found the Korax-Lorgar interaction

if you want to post that. I actually have an interaction with him and Folgram that I really like to post as well. But I'll do that in a second. Just the Korgar interaction, eh? Stop that, you. Corvus Korgar? I was looking up what a demon prince was

because I was trying to figure out because we know that Argel Tal and some of the word bears have like a symbiotic demon inside them. Oh yeah, they've been somewhat possessed. Uh, we- Oh, holy wall of text, Batman. Oh, God, okay. I'll, I'll read that in a moment.

Okay. But, uh, there was also the Exalted, which was a possessed demon in the Nightlord's trilogy. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. I forgot about that. But I was wondering, like, I know Fulgram has its own problematic situation where he's kind of being possessed by a demon. But madness and like Mortarium don't appear to be possessed by a demon. But they are demon primarks.

Yeah, like they just sort of got the powers of chaos and they haven't necessarily been possessed by it. They're still themselves. Yeah, that's a good point. So I looked up what a demon prince was because a demon primark is not a thing. They became demon princes, technically, but they're just very, very big versions.

So I looked up a demon prince. It says a demon prince is a human champion of chaos who has been elevated to demonhood as a reward for their actions. So it appears that the demon prince is in fact an elevation. Like, it is turning you into a demon as opposed to possessing your mind of a demon. Right, right, right. So you still are you, but you've like changed what you are as a material object.

Yeah, you've ascended into a demon instead of being possessed by a demon to get your powers. Yeah, you've been, like, so it makes sense because Magnus and Mortarian appear to still have their own free will. Well, yeah. Air quotes. Air quotes. There's no demon in their body, like, whispering into them and, like, holding them back. It seems that way. Whereas Fulgrim, he absolutely has that problem.

So I was curious about that, because I was like, it's to make not much sense if Lorgar was being taken over by a demon. when he's a demon primark because it's kind of not his schick but not yet yeah all right what is this this is no demon lorgar raised his rod

betting to the blood-stained whirlwind tearing through the last of the dark apostles warriors oh shit come to me brother with the last flurry of activity that turned another legionary into shards of serrimes

ribbons of flesh the apparition coalesced to a recognizable figure it was equal height to the demon primark clad in Osses venue as a demon primark clad in black battleplate with long talon gontlets

a pair of wings stretched from its ornate backpack fashion as intricate metallic raven feathers the face was as pale as snow gaunt with eyes as dark as coal framed by shoulder-length black hair what has happened to you brother I have ascended said Lorgar

he indicated corax with the twitch of his rod I might ask the same of you I am what I have always been, said Kourax. I am vengeance incarnate. I am justice. He's Batman. Justice delivered. This place beyond the veil has revealed what we all are.

Underneath the veneer of humanity our father crafted for us, we are of the warp. Have you come to make oath to the powers that are your true creator? No. I swore to destroy all chaos tape from the galaxy. You will be the first fallen brother to die beneath my blade. I am not the creature you fought at Isvon, said Lorgar raising his mace, nor am I. That's pretty good. That's not bad.

That's not bad. That's not bad. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a pretty good interaction. I like that. Giant demon burb rolls up and he's like, I'm here to kill chaos. So there's one final excerpt I want to read Lorgar-based thing. It's where he talks with Fulgrim. Now, I'm sure Shaw might know more about this than I do, and I'm sure the fans can tell me a little bit about this later.

But there seems to be something involving a theater. Because Lorgar is taken by Demon Snake Fulgrim to this fancy-pancy theater. And the theater is just filled row-to-row in seats of horrified, like, dead people caught in skeletons and bones and rotting flesh. and like flesh all with like visages and faces of sheer violence and terror. Oh boy.

That's a chaos theater all right. I don't know much about this theater. I don't know what happened in this theater. I don't know about this theater. But it seems like it was a pretty goddamn important theater. That's where chaos entities go to have a good time. They want to see a show and, you know, relax a little bit. That's some harlequin shit.

Yeah, that is indeed some harlequin shit. So he's taken by demon Fulgrim because good old Lorgar wants to see his brother. And he said he always enjoyed flattery. Fulgram smiled. Do you so quickly forget how he sneered at you, Lorgar? This is disregard slipping my memory so fast. No, the word bear shook as hem, as if reinforced in the Nile. but he had every right to think less of me,

for I was never whole, not until now. The thing wearing Fulgroom's skin peeled back its lips in a smile the true Primark would have never made. You asked to see your brother, chosen one. Here he is. This is a painting. Do not mock me, demon, not after we have at least reached an accord. You asked to see your brother you had lost.

The smile didn't leave Fulgroom's face. I have upheld my end of our arguments. It says The painting Look deeper Look longer Says he lets eyes slip across the image

Seeking no details Merely drifting Until it rested where they may He met the images Soulfully rendered eyes And at last Lorgar breathed The faintest of smiles

Hail brother He finally said As a fulgram Seems to be Trapped inside this painting Damn And the demon is just wearing his skin That's, that's, oh boy, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's no good. That's no good for

Fulgram. That sucks. Do you see the demon at his side asked for a moment for those three words, it wasn't Fulgram's voice at all? I see it more than you realize. The word bear turned his face to his brother's captor. If you think to relish all of eternity while playing puppeteer to my brother's bones, you will find yourself fatally disappointed one night. The demon says, you speak the lies of a desperate and foolish soul. Lorgar laughed with a rare and sincere grin Perhaps the only expression that ever broke his resemblance to his father Your secret is safe with me, demon

Enjoy your stewardship while it lasts Damn He literally sees Folgram in the painting And he's like, good job, buddy That's a That's uh that's that's that's that's That's that's uh Shai said, spoiler alert, Lorgar was right.

Folgram did get... Oh, so Fulgram does get his body back at some point. Yeah, Deven couldn't keep control of a fucking Primark forever. Yeah. And I assume he still stays pretty chaos-tainted and still worships Slunuch. Yeah, I don't think... I don't think Fulgram has much of an option in this situation. Damn, that sucks.

Would, well... But, like, was Fulgram, like, fully down with that Slunussi? I don't know. We haven't done a foreground episode yet. Fair play. I guess we... It's true. We haven't. Also, to piggyback on the spoiler, Lorgar was right, meme, you know what was Lorgar's first ever major book? No, I don't, actually.

It was something known as the... Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, because I forgot, put down on my notes. Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, the... Lacticio divinatus. Cousinheit. Thank you.

Rejoice, for I bring you glorious news. God walks among us. The first two lines of the Lestitio divanatus. Did you do all of that just to make it Among Us joke, by the way? Holy shit, I didn't even think about that. This is how much you've tainted me with all the Amongus shit and all the Crewman stuff. I was like, oh yeah, like at first you were reading it and then I heard Among Us, I was like, oh no. He's going to make a Crewman joke.

Emergency meeting. I didn't even think. Is Lord Garventing? I didn't even think of this one. You subconsciously do it now. Apparently. You don't even know you're doing it. God damn.

Anyway, yeah, that was the religious book of during the Great Crusade that the emperor is a god. It was hated and destroyed by a lot of people. But then eventually, after the Horace heresy, about 2,000 years after, it was then taken. and it is now used as the fundamentals for the imperial creed. It is now the main... I don't think it's exactly the main book because they would never say that this one is the book. Oh, sure.

But, you know, this is the main founding of the religious zealotry that we've... Or zealous? Zellitus? But regardless, yeah, Lorgar wins. At the end of the day, the entire Imperium believe him to be a god. The emperor would be a god, which at this point, he doesn't really care. It doesn't really him winning anymore because he doesn't give a shit. He cares about the demons instead.

Yeah, because after everything that's happened, which is kind of ironic that, like, it turns out that he was right, but in the state that he's in right now, they don't really fucking care. It doesn't mean anything to him. Yeah, he's, yeah. It's interesting.

Yeah, Lorgar is an interesting character. Yeah. Lorgar is an interesting character. Shai said, hey, Lorgar founded two religions and they're both super pop. He's doing something, right? Well, I mean, I guess that's true. I guess they are both popular, but...

Lorgar is a fucker. Yeah, he fucked around and found out. He really did. Yeah. Well, I've got about... That's about it for me. We've had our discussion in terms of our... Lorgar.

Lorgar. I don't know if I like Lorgar or not. Definitely an interesting story. surrounding Lorgar, and he's definitely an interesting character. I don't know if I like him, but I like stories about him. They're interesting. They're pretty messy. And yeah, I think he's an interesting character to read about, but I wouldn't say, I'm like,

oh, yeah, I'm a big fan of Lorgar. He's my favorite character ever. Oh, what a good boy. Yeah. Yeah, I think that he is, I think he's a shitter. A little bit. I think he is a shitter and he has done shittery things. But I get why he is the way he is

for the same reason why I understand why Angron is the way Angron is. Yeah, his upbringing had a lot to do with why he's such a shitter. Yeah, yeah, ignoring the decades of abuse by two dads. That's true. Oh no, he did get totally abuse. by two separate dads. I hate it. Like, it doesn't excuse his fault, but at least there's a reason for it. At least with most of the traitor Primarks, they had a reason to be the shitters they were,

even if they could have put aside their crap. Like, Angron maybe didn't need to kill all of his own men out of an angry rage, like a tantrum. But, you know, Angron was still not the greatest guy. You know what the butcher's nails actually is? It's just a constant loop of Versace Bedouin being played over and over again. in his minds. That's, yeah. I've got silver in my fingers and boots on my feet.

My feet. My feet. I'm about to have an aneurism is what I'm about to have. Don't, don't lie. You've been listening to that on repeat ad nauseum for the last week, haven't you? Do you know how like that one minute? I will never get that one minute back. No, none of us will.

And none of us will get this hour. 15 minutes back either. Shy, take out a gun, shoot me and DK in the head, and then they get the one. Whoa, whoa, whoa, no. Oh, hey, whoa, hey.