Adeptus Ridiculous - LUNA WOLVES/SONS OF HORUS: PRELUDE TO THE FALL OF CADIA | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

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Welcome everyone to another episode of The Adeptus Ridiculous. I'm one of your host, D.K. D.Montes, and with the help of my co-host, Bricky, the more important host, actually, we are going to learn about the- Oh, shut up, D.K. Whoa, I'm just saying, you're like the, you're the backbone. You're the one who knows everything. I'm just trying to learn some stuff here, man. Dude, this, dude, I'm Mac, but you're cheese. Without you, I'm just bland bullshit. Aw. I shut the fuck up. Do the intro again.

Matt, Mac, I gotta do it. again? You don't have to do it again. Just continue where you left off. Oh man, just fuck it. Fuck it. It's over. The intro's over. Fuck it. You know what. Shy, you can use this as blooper. And also make a note, this is a bricky blooper. I was going. I was rolling. Whoa, this was not, this is not a blooper. This is, this is staying in. There's no way this gets to be a blooper. Is this whole thing saying in? It better be. All right then. Hey, everyone. If you enjoy today's podcast, head over on to patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous, where you can get tons of amazing bonus content.

You can get access to our Discord. You can get blooper reels, which this might show up in. But who cares? Also, we've got amazing digital HD posters. So definitely, if you enjoy today's podcast, head over to patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. And on today's episode, I don't know what's going on. Bricky, what are we learning about today? I really enjoy keeping this from you.

I think it's actually an enjoyable thing because it adds a little bit of suspense and excitement. Because not only do you not know? I guess the audience would know by the thumbnail. I was really hoping you were going to be like, you don't know, but also I don't know. I'm making sure. Shy is going to tell us. Yeah, Shai is going to tell us in the chat right now. What are we doing today?

We are doing actually the first of a three-part series. Oh. This is going to be something that I wanted to do for a lot. long time, we are covering the fall of Kadia. However, in order to properly set up the fall of Acadia, there are three separate parts we need to get done. The first one, which is today's episode, is going to be on the Luna Wolves, also known as the Sons of Horace and Horace Lupercal himself.

Only a little bit, though, because we know the gist of what Horace did. So it's just very slight amounts of Horace. And then next week we'll be covering Abadon or Abadden, I really don't care. The Spoiler and the Black Legion, which is what Horace's group turns into. And because the Fall of Cadia was Abadon's 13th Black Crusade. So we'll be covering his crusades in the next episode. But for this episode, it's a little bit of backstory. It's a little bit of understanding.

It's a little bit of figuring things out. And yeah, that's the plan. But first, I have an announcement I got to make, too. merchandise has been restocked. So we got our stuff. I think I might actually be out of smalls. However, besides that, we got, I think, like, another 80 or so of each size of like medium, large XL, 2xl and 3XL. And we now have a hoodie variant of that too.

No kidding. Yeah, we got a hoodie one. So there's a white shirt and then there's a white shirt. and then there's a white hoodie as well. If you want the same, it's the same design, but you know, in hoodie form. And if you live in the U.S., if you spend more than 75, you get free shipping. And I think the shirt plus hoodie is over 75. So, bada bim, bada boom.

Have you thought about doing inverse colors where it's a black hoodie or a black shirt with a white logo? So yes, I know a lot of people prefer black shirts. The problem is that due to COVID and stuff, the people I get my shirts from, have been out of black shirts for God knows how. how long because it's the number one most popular one so it's just it's just gone it's always gone um so yes i know a lot of people have been asking for inverse colors i want to i i don't have the opportunity to do it once you are able to i imagine you will okay once i can order a solid amount absolutely but until then yes stick with white it's fine you guys went like crazy town with it

originally i'm stoked it's restocked so check out the description or go to orchidateate dot com and under the content creator section it is under adeptus ridiculous or better yet if you go to adeptus ridiculous.com there also is a little link for the merch that description the any of the websites whatever it's it shouldn't be too hard to find when you said i got 80 more shirts i was like buddy you're going to need more than 80 but then you're like 80 per size i was like okay good okay this this doesn't work i don't have 80 i don't have 80 per hoodie but hoodies are more expensive so i hope it'll be okay hopefully Oh my God, we didn't mention the book club.

Oh my God, we didn't mention the book club. Oh, shit! This is the, this is called padding. This episode sucks. This episode has no flow. Yes, we are going to start the monthly book club. Every month we are going to read or listen to on Audible, a different book. And if you would like to join us for said book club, we'll have an episode.

The first episode will be in early June. and the book is, D.K. It's the Infinite and the Divine. The Infinite and the Divine. Yeah, Infinite and the Divine. The absolutely hilarious

old man nerd battle between Trazen the Infinite and Orca the Diviner of Necron Worlds. So definitely give it a look at, read it, listen to it, whatever. We don't care. Be ready for it because in a month we will be talking all about that book and it's fucking hilarious.

It's so good so far. As far as this three-part series going, I'm looking forward to it because the only thing I know about Abadon is that he's a giant loser. That's the meme that keeps getting thrown around is that he keeps losing. I don't know how accurate that is. Luna wolves, ooh, I know the name has been brought up a couple times, but I think I might be confusing them with just the space wolves and Lehman Rus. Those are different people, yes. Yeah, yeah. Luna wolves are Horus, space wolves are Lehman Rus.

Luna wolves are just, we'll talk about them, but they're not, they're not as flavorful because they don't last very long. Oh no. That's... Good to know. It's okay. It's okay. Things will be good soon, but they don't have the same like, woo, woo, woo, woo, as it used to be, which is unfortunate. Aw.

But I like whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. I tend to like whoop, whoop, who, who, who, too, but we haven't talked about whoop, whoop, who. We talked about Lehman Russ bodying Magnus, and that was the original, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. He did not, he got one of

his hearts punched out. I wouldn't call that bodying. It was a, it was a, it was a close fight, okay? Because Magnus didn't do anything wrong. Lehm and Russ acted like a child. Listen, listen. Okay, okay, yes. Correct. He's kind of

a douche, but a horace was also like, hey, hey, dad says to kill him. See Magnus down there surrendering? Dad says to kill him and all of his legion. Trust me. And he's like, okay. See, what a douche bag. I'll be honest, Magnus was dumb as well

because he decided to engage Lehman Russ in melee combat, also known as Lehman Russ's fucking birth womb. He was conceived on the battlefield. He fell out into a gladiatorial arena out of, out of his mother's womb and then immediately started bodying the tigers. It was like, Magnus, you should have stayed at range. Yeah, and Magnus is a great cyker, too. Like, that's the Thousand's whole thing.

It's like, hey, we're all amazing psychers. Like, why would you melee this fool? Just keep zapping him. Yeah, but it's okay. We'll talk about that some other day. We're talking about the Luna wolves. Talking about this type of wolves. Yeah.

So, I want to, so talking about the Luna Wolves, this is, of course, the original group from Horace. They are the 16th Legion, if I'm not mistaken. And originally, if you go way back, because we already covered the Horace heresy, we covered all the original foundings of the Horace heresy. Those are some of our first like 10 episodes. You can go back if you want to check them to the people listening. But the Luna Woolf started, like all legions dim, with the usual Terran forces, right?

But it was the first Legion to recruit from non-Therent worlds, as Horace was the first Primark found. after they all got yeated by Zin Shrew, whoever decided to have some fun. They recruited, so similarly to barbarous for the Death Guard or, oh, I feel like I'm such a bad Nightlord's fan now. I'm forgetting, Nostromo?

Is it Nostromo? Nostromo? That sounds right. In my head, I'm just like, Nostradamus, and I'm like, nope, wrong, that's the wrong Nostra. What was the name of the ship an alien? Oh, no, I couldn't tell you. I feel horrible because I love the alien movies, too.

Okay, so Nostromo is the name. So it's Nostromo is the name of that one. I'm trying, isn't it Nostromo? Did Shai just, Shai told me Nostromo, but I think she maybe gave me the alien ship. Hold on. Alien one ship name. Google it. The USS Salaco.

Wow. No, that's not fucking it. It is called a Nostromo. It is called a Nostro. It is the stromo. Shy got it wrong. The stromo was the ship in Alien 1, I believe. Or was it in Alien isolation? No, it's Alien isolation.

That's what it was. Alien isolation. Okay, so the alien isolation ship is the Nestramo. The planet is... Wait. Nistromo? I think I'm wrong again. I think I'm wrong again. Hold on.

Alien movie ship. Okay. You're going to have some blooper. This is some shenanigans. Okay, yes. The original alien movie was called the Nostromo. Okay. Yes.

And the night lord's planet is Nistramo. Ah. I am very curious if they did this on purpose. I mean, what about the night lords would relate to the alien ship, though? The night? It's, but, but there is, it's, it's dark in space. That's a stretch. I know, but we have, okay, in MoTek, the Stormlord.

I'm primed reach. Shut the fuck. Go play Halo Reach. Yeah, that's a Halo Reach. Go back to elementary school and read James and the giant reach. I've never heard that. I kind of love it. All right, anyway, it's not important.

Point being, point being Nostromo. So, unlike those planets, the original and first planet to ever have any kind of tithe for the lunar wolves was from this hive mining world known as Scythonia. And Scythonia was eventually slumped into, as it was a hive mining world, it turned into that kind of that classic Mad Max techno-barbarian age that so many other planets turned into because Horace. was the first one found. And he was found at a pretty young age. The horse was just found, and the emperor took him. And there's very little early knowledge about it. So some believe that he was on Sothonia,

and that was how he learned his warlike attitude from these techno-barbarian-style race. Regardless, being the first son that he found, him and the emperor grew together a pretty heavy bond. and they actually became very, very close. It was his favorite son. And, you know, the emperor's a douche. So calling him his favorite son was not that hard of a statement.

Yeah. But regardless, his legion went under his command, and they served together for the first 30 years of the Great Crusade, obviously going around finding people. A large amount of the Sothonians were taken to become Luna wolves. A large amount of the actual planet was turned into like guardsmen, just, you know, the usual, well, originally the Imperial Army. But the most impressive individuals were taken, sometimes not by their will, but, you know, it's the emperor.

It's the emperor, you know how you rolls. It happens. Yeah, it's no big deal. No big deal. Normal. It's fine. They were instead changed into space marines, and they were inducted on Luna, which I'm sure you know is the name of our moon. No way.

You play, you play Warfram. Yeah. It's uh, it's, it's Lua. Thanks. It's Loua. Oh, they changed it to Lua. That's right. Yeah, it's not Luna.

It's Loua. Well, Luna's the real name of our moon. My moon's just called the moon. Thanks. Anyway, hence the name, the Luna wolves. You get it, D.K. I get it. I get it.

So they're, they're from the moon. That's why they're Luna wolves. All right. Um, shy tells me that she heard another version where they, attacked the gene cults on the moon and then the emperor came to fuck him up and they were like, we give up, call off your wolves.

And it's like, oh, Luna wolves. That's a great story for you. How'd you get your name? How'd your group get your name? If you were fucking so hard that they told him to call off his wolves. But originally they were these sort of Mad Max tech barbarians

from Zathonia. Zathonia, right. I was like, is this Nistram? No, Nistrump. was the night lord place. God, my planets are all fucked up now. But yeah. Nistromo is not the night lord place. That's the alien shit.

Nostromo is the night lord place. I will fucking punch you right in the throat. So, anyway, old cultures kind of started to seep in a little bit. Kind of similar to how all the other races, chapters, legions, whatever, they all kind of had a little bit of their under culture of their planet kind of get as working. with part of their Space Marine legions. Zithonia was no different. They had that techno-barbarian feel,

so they actually started adorning top-nots and mohawks, and things of that nature to the top of their helmets. Shai, if you look up a little bit, posted a couple of photos. And as you can see, some of them have like those, centurion style kind of things, and they have like a top knot on it.

Also, if they were ever wounded in battle by a really respected foe, they would do a scratch across cross their armor's eye socket, almost like a, I don't really know how, it definitely isn't like a tear tattoo, but, you know, that's, that kind of stuff. Cool. Like, I, I can see a, like, one of them has that scar around their eye and the sort of, like, red plume, that, that, that's actually pretty dope.

Yeah, it actually, it gives them a little bit of interesting look to them, because, and Chaos players are going to hate me for saying this, but the Black Legion is kind of like the Ultramarines of Chaos Space Marines. they're like the base group the one that has the most representation the one that's the well I guess maybe besides like Death Guard but they have their own codex

they're like the very much the base chaos space marine group the Luna Wolves I think were the most effective of all of the space marine legions at the time so there was some really nutty stuff that they had like often their effectiveness in combat was so laughably high

that the Imperial Army came afterwards and basically did cleanup or just fixing things that were out of order. Normally you have a failing of Marines and a whole bunch of the Imperial Army, but it was like the Marines would just go in and then they would leave and like, jobs done. Our work here is done. That's that tuxedo mask meme, right? My work here is done, but she didn't do anything.

Farewell. Oh, I guess that would be that meme. I don't know those things because anime. I did jobs done. I was thinking of Warcraft 3. Yeah, but it was such a popular meme. I figured you would have... Oh, I know the meme.

I don't know it's origins. Oh, yeah, it's a Sailor Moon thing, even though Tuxedo Mask is always saving her and never doesn't actually do nothing. But anyway, sorry. This isn't the Tao episode. No, this isn't the Tao episode. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

The, so they also had a cool little quote thing that they like to just use called Ab-A-B-B-B-B-B-B-H-the-B-B-Hab-Thon. Abathon. Abithon. Ab-B-thon. Ab-A-thethon. Abathan Word

Basically it was an old Like word or slang For the Sothonian people Which was slicing the throat Of the enemy commander Like he had the final commander And then like he was he was gone And he's like

This is this is it And you take him by his hair And you go And they started eventually using it as a term The signal for the end of a campaign So when they were like They were just done with the zone They just reduced it to ask

they would say that was like their statement it was like Abithin like ah we're done we're done here the Luna wolves might have been the most effective of all the legions during the Great Crusoean like you could count on two hands the amount of losses they had in over

10,000 battles they rarely lost to me that's kind of crazy because like this is 40K like when you go into a battle in 40K it's not like, you know, it's, it's not like you're going up against just like,

piddledy little puppies. Like, it's, it's some serious shit. So the fact that like, you said 10,000 battles, you could count how many people they lost on one hand? Oh, count how many battles they lost on one hand. Oh, okay. I thought you meant how many people they lost. That was like, excuse what? No, I mean, they still, I mean, it's still like only losing it up to nine. Yeah. Yeah. And that was still very impressive with just the sheer power they had. They were really ruthless, they were really effective, but

the Legion also bore the same, like, charisma that their Primark had. Like, Horace was extremely charismatic, extremely intelligent, and it was only bolstered by the closest to the emperor. Not only did these Luna Wolves

have what is arguably the best fucking Primark, but they also had the emperor's favor. The emperor's favorite Primark. Horace was liked. He was powerful and most, oh man, and most importantly, he was persuasive. That's, that's, I do recall that from the Horace eresy episode.

You're saying that he was very persuasive and that he was like best boy. He was. I also remember the comment section being upset because I think they thought Sanguinius was best boy, but. Oh, boy. Are we going to discuss that now? Only if you want to, because you're the best boy. Because you're the only one with lower information here. All I know is Sanguinius has that really epic death.

And I think his death triggers the, is it the black rage? Hey, yo. Let's go. Let's go. We haven't even done a Blood Angels episode. Yeah, and it turns them into vampires. And that's why they have the little vials on their minis. I'm going to shed it's here.

I raised that boy. I'm learning. But like, here's a picture of Horace, right? In the early days. Like, that dude, that jawline could crack a skull. Yes, you could cut diamond on that jaw, dude. That was early in the Crusades. And that's his get-up.

I see it has like the barbarian style to it, a little bit Romani. And also the big wolf pelt, the Luna Wool's. Big wolf pelt is cool as fuck, dude. He's cool. The horse is like a cool looking. guy before he got all problematic. Yeah. You know, is Sanguinius was so...

Was the eyeball thing? Sort of kind of not really? I believe the original Luna Wool's logo was... Yeah, it was a wolf that had a crescent moon. It was a wolf head with a crescent moon in the background. Gotts. I was going to say, that doesn't look like a wolf and logo. No, it doesn't.

I'm actually kind of surprised. I actually don't know why he wore that eye. I'm sure someone in the comments will tell me this one because I'm actually curious now but I don't know why he had that eye in the center maybe there's something to do with his past

in the Horace heresy books that I don't know about or it's foreshadowing who knows but regardless he like actually if Sanguinius was so cool why didn't he give Conrach hers a hug

oh that's all he needed he just needed one hug and then he wouldn't have started started putting scrots on scroats oh that's right night lord's we're flesh too, don't they? That's really. Yep. But Horace

commanded a ton of respect and loyalty from all of his brothers and it was backed with his intelligence. Even the angriest of Primarks as Angron and Curz, they would back down and ask Horace for help. They would confide in him.

Even Conrad Curz would be like, Horace, I'm having a bad day. Can you help me out? And Horace is like, of course brother, what can I do for you? Like he was, yeah. He was a really nice guy. Horace is like, I think that they made Horace kind of a fucking, like, Mary Sue,

because they knew he had to turn to chaos. So they wanted the fact that he was the main leader of the heresy to, to like sink the knife that much deeper to make him like the perfect boy. And then he turns and you're like, oh, God, my perfect boy. Yep, yep. It's a significant emotional cut. But then it's also like, oh, no, he's, he was also the strongest of us and now we have to fight him. That's like, that's a legitimate threat.

Like, that's someone that could actually topple the Imperium, right? Like, it's not like he's just some Joe Schmo that's just like, oh, whatever, let me just smush. Like, you don't just smush Horace. No, it's very, not only is it difficult in terms of like a logistical, strategic, and military might way, but you don't want to. Like, if it wasn't the Horace Harris, Harris, Harris. If it was the Mortarian heresy or the Lorgar heresy or whatever, it would sound worse. But so many people probably wouldn't have joined. It was Horace's insane persuasion to also help so many people join the cause.

Like, obviously, Mortarian went a little easily because he grew a very disdain for the emperor for killing his adoptive father. I think, I believe Angron was actually, it's weird. I think Angron in the beginning, we haven't done world leaders yet, so I haven't done my research. But I think he wasn't stoked on being the murdery boy. Like he did it out of necessity. But then

he also was very upset with the emperor for something or another, and then he was like, oh, cool, I get to murder this way now. Pristarabo just hated Rogel Doorn to death, so he was like, fuck yeah, I'll do it. He was jealous and a petulant manchild. Fulgram, et cetera, et cetera. Iron within...

Can you imagine the Lorgar heresy? Lorgar heresy. Oh yeah, it didn't take much for Lorgar to turn either. No, it did not. No, it did not. But could you imagine him trying to convince other people to, like, join his heretical, like, turn against the M? It would never work. No.

It'd be the worst turn ever. Lorgar bears the subtlety of Rogaldorn. Rogel Dorn is the human equest, of putting the cube into the triangle slot from a kid's toy. That's a great description. I give Rogel Dorn a lot of shit. Rogel Dorn is actually pretty cool, but he, oh my God. It's like, Conrad Curris, I'm having horrible nightmares and I'm so sad and I'm crying.

Fulgrim, please help me. It's like, don't worry, I'll go get Dorn. Doren's like, what's that bitch crying about? I'll give him something to cry about. Oh, no. Oh, rogill. Oh, no. God damn it, Rogel.

But even, but even Rogel would go to Horace. To really solidify it. Even Rogel would go to Horace and be like, hey, man, I need help. He never admit it. But even him, like, Horace was so well loved. Anyway, with all this time, eventually there was, and, you know, it wouldn't be an episode of that's ridiculous without Bricky doing a quote randomly. Let's go.

Let's go. Quote, you are like a son, and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done, and now passes to you, for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you warmaster, and from this day forth all of my armies in general shall take orders from you, as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you, for your brother Primarks are strong of will, of thought, and of action. Do not seek to change them, but use their particular strengths well. You have much work to do, for there will still be many worlds to liberate, many peoples to rescue.

My trust is with you. Hail Horace, hail the war master. Quote from the Emperor of Mankind. Oof. And. In hindsight, that's, hmm. Like warning him about the primarks and how strong they are and don't try to change them. In hindsight, it's like, yeah, about that.

Yeah, so this was right after the something called the Triumph of Ulnor, which was the largest Imperium versus Ork Battle at the time. And it was a huge war, a gigantic orc battle going on here. And after this giant triumph, the defeat of the orcs, Horace was then given the title of Warmaster, which he originally declined because he did not want to see himself above his brothers. And he did not see himself above his brothers. Oh, what a good boy.

I know, right? He's so nice. What a nice boy. But with the emperor's departure, of course, and not telling anyone what happened, the seeds of both jealousy and mistreatment began to fester a little bit. And a lot of the other brothers, even though they, like, Horace was the best decision for Warmaster, they were still upset. They were still like, why him? I mean, not all them were like, why him? A lot of them, I think were generally like, yeah, probably the right choice.

But what the fuck, Dad? Like, what the shit? Because, like, not only are you giving him Warmaster, but you obviously gave him preferential treatment, too. Oh, well, that's how that is true. I mean, he's the first son. He's obviously better. I mean, based on the way he's been acting, he's sure.

Shit seems like he was better. But man, you just had to give Kerr's a hug. For God's sake. So who were the ones that thought that they were like maybe a better choice? Did anybody think that they were like, oh, it should have been me. It should have been. It should have been. It should have been me. I'm pretty sure Dorn and Gilliman probably thought that.

Oh, fuck Gilliman, though, right? Oh, dude. Take Gilliman and put him next to Rogel Dorn, and Gilliman looks like a saint. All right. That's, okay, fair. That's, you're right, you're right. Gilliman's fine. Gilman we've been over this D.K. Giliman is pretty cool. He's pretty awesome.

Yeah. It's the ultramarines in their own right. There's a little bit of favoritism and all. But Gilliman, I think, was a little salty. Dorman was definitely, I think, Percharabo, maybe a little bit, but he's upset about everything. He's got such a fucking stick up his ass. Pertarbo was like opposite Roguel Doren. They're both just assholes. Sorry, Iron Warrior fans. Iron within iron without iron hands. Fuck you. You imagine if Rogaldorne was the Warmaster.

He probably do a good job, but he was probably like, hmm, civilian casualties, Geneva Convention was outlawed years ago, whatever, boop. Boop, yeah. I think more than a few bad decisions would be made with Rogel Doran as Warmaster. It would. When we talk about your Imperial Fis, well, we can describe this a little bit better.

But after this, of course, then we began, the events of the heresy. As a refresher for those who are not entirely familiar, if you remember, Horace and his boys found a little organization. They had a fancy knife.

Erebus stole the knife. They were like, you stole our knife. They fought each other. Had to kill all of them. Then later on, you know, Horace was upset with this and all that.

Eventually, when fighting Nurgle? I don't remember. But he was then shanked with this exact same knife. And he was like, Oh my God. Then Arabists and the boys were like,

don't worry, we can heal you with this psychic treatment. Psychic treatment. Sees the future. Doesn't like it. Doesn't like it. Emperor Bad Choice, now heresy, went to chaos. That is the extremely abridged version. You should go watch our other videos on the Horace Heresy

if you want a more in-depth course on the horse. Which are extremely abridged compared to the big thing itself. Yeah. It's still kind of a bridge, but it's a lot more in-depth than what we just said. Than this one. Yeah.

Now, post-heresy, the Luna Wolves were then changed in name. They actually became something called the Sons of Horace. Well, it was before the heresy, I think technically, but it was like, it was a weird time frame. Basically, it was after being known as Warmaster. That's the main important thing.

It may not have been right after he got shanked and turned chaos, but that's not really the point. Point being, they've renamed to the Sons of Horace. Ah, makes sense. Okay. And they changed up their logo, too. They have a bit of an eye now. Very similar to the eye you see right there with our boy Horace.

Yeah. So the actual, it's like, it's a little bit different of colored eye. It's got a little bit more of a, it's less spiky. It's just got a singular downward arrow instead. That kind of looks like the pupil. I guess they probably,

wouldn't want to be called the Luna Wolves anymore with a name that implies that they're very subservient to the emperor and that they're his like attack wolves, I suppose. I suppose you probably want to change that up if you're, you know, heresying, heresying, if you're being heretical towards the emperor. Well, when you're heresying decently well, the sons of Horace, of course, it makes more sense because if Horace is going to be their war master and they're like new guy they're going to follow, you would assume that they would probably want to change up their name to reflect that, to be like, no, no, no, we're going to go by the new leader, the new lord, and that's going to be our good man, our good man, Horace.

He's a good boy. Shai says, it's literally why Angron changes Legion name from the war hounds to the world eaters, because I hate no one's dog, dad. Wow, all right. I guess that makes sense. Though I guess it also makes sense too Because the space wolves are known as being Arguably the most loyal faction

Because they're they're the hounds of the emperor They are they're like they're the wolves They're the dogs that dogs are loyal Attack dogs yeah Yeah extremely loyal attack dogs of the emperor So yeah Ingram was like No I will not be your attack hounds I'm the world eaters

Because I decided to choose the second edgiest Fucking name around right behind the night lords. That's trying. Well, yeah, I guess Night Lords would be a little more edgy than World Eaters. World Eaters is up there, though.

It's pretty up there. Ironic that Fulgram decided to keep the name of the Emperor's children for his, even though he's heresy. Maybe, maybe it's sort of like that, you know, that extra twist of the knife. It's like, oh, hey, look, we're the Empress children and we fucking hate him,

and we want to kill him. It's like a, you know, it's like a bad joke, right? It's like a bad joke Look, look how bad of a dad you are Even your children want to kill you right You know that makes sense I don't believe you though Emperor's children even scream for the emperors

While murdering loyalists has a meme Oh Oh so it is that wait is it actually because of the joke I love that I love that We need to do an episode on the Emperor's Children now Holy shit I had no idea episode on these chads.

Oh my god. For the emperor, now used as a mockery of the imperial forces after the Horace heresy. That's great. Holy shit, I had no clue. Emperor's children are the Sonnishi ones too.

Oh man, I might have just become an Emperor's children fan. Well, you get to have Primark Folgram, who is one, hot, two, a snake, three, still alive, and might get a model, who knows. Oh, snake, demon. I was about to call him a primark.

He was a primark. No, that's what's called. Does he still count? It's called a demon primark. Demon primark. Okay, I was going to say, Demon primark sounds right, but... I would kill for a full grim model.

I would kill everyone in this room, which is just me. I'd kill myself for a full grim model. Get pebble out of the room. Don't hurt pebble. I won't hurt pebble. He's okay. Okay, good. Good, good.

But yeah, Fuller. Back to Horace, because we're off topic again. This is our most back and forth episode ever, but the problem is that the Luna Wolves, okay, well, a couple things. Well,

Shai wanted this episode to be shorter because last episode, we went a long time. Yeah, we did. This episode, the Luna Wolves and just the early findings of Horace are very, are very, because they did that thing

where they're like, oh, there's not a whole lot of lore in the backstory. Then I'm like, ah, I don't get to talk about all that cool stuff like barbarous and shit, but post heresy we all know what happened

everything went crazy chaos sons of horace Horace went up got well he didn't get bodyed there was a decent fight going on but then eventually he got slapped died then in post heresy

the sons of Horace then fled to the eye of terror as did many of the other chaos legions obviously more terrian fled and he created his own like gas world or something in the eye of terror losing their prime mark of course was fucking devastating and they had a real difficulty recovering

because hell every time someone's lost a Primark there's like a surge of pain to everybody the night lords just like lost their shit more than normal the Iron Hands got pretty upset obviously the Blood Angels and they lost Horace like they didn't just lose like oh he was

alright Primark he was pretty good leader man this sure sucks they lost Horace like this whole episode has been about how good horace is and how much of a badass he is. Like losing him must have been like super blow. That came out.

Yeah. That's not what I... A huge blow. There was tons of blow. But obviously they had a real difficulty recovering from that. And so they went to the help of every single chaos got at once. Individually pledging themselves

to their powers, just why the Black Legion, which they were then renamed, of course, as we will talk about a moment. That is why they are chaos undivided. They don't serve a particular chaos god. They serve them all in their own right. Because of this point...

I think I remember you said, do the chaos gods dislike it when someone's chaos undivided because they want it all to themselves? They don't necessarily like someone that pledges to, like, everybody. They're not a fan, no, but they also see it as a means to an end sometimes. The thing is that right at the end of the Horace heresy, this is like one of the few times where chaos worked together. and at the end of this

the sons of Horus were getting battered by other legions and by chaos demons because all of the chaos gods went back to their murder everyone all the time state and so they were like they got they ran him they lost their prime mark they fled to the eye of terror and then demons and shit started attacking them

because we went back to old school chaos days but this is something that I was a little confused about and hopefully Shai can answer this for me or someone in the chat will. I remember in the fight against Horace, right? The emperor just, just disintegrated the son of a bitch, right? Just like erased him from time or whatever.

Like he bodied him so hard. The big yeat. However, I'm getting conflicting information where it says that Horace's body was recovered and was actually put in a tomb on the demon world of the sons of Horace. Horus went to. Ah,

Emperor destroyed his soul. The body remained. Ah. Okay. Okay. His soul was obliterated. Okay. So there's no chance to revive Horace

because he doesn't, there's no soul left. It's just, you're not coming back, right? Well, speaking of that. So they put him in like a tomb or whatever, right? But in, in true fashion, the emperor's children attacked them and stole the body.

Oh no. They can't even... They can't even... For the emperor, yoink. Oh, boy, that's... You know, oh my God, that's so fucked up, actually. It's the emperor's children. It was the emperor's favorite son turned on him for the emperor.

Yoink. Oh, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's mean. That's not nice. That's, that's very 40K. So, it's, it's, it's, Don't worry. It doesn't last very long, but they stole the body from their own demon world.

And Abidon at the time, in case, we finally get to Abidon, tomorrow, next week, we'll be covering Abidon a lot more and his role in all of this. But imagine him like the Arabis

or the typhus of the group. Ah, a motherfucker. Yep. So he saw this as a way to step up to the plate, and he led a counter-charge against the emperor's children. And he destroyed Horace's entire body in the process, which is unfortunate.

That doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Shai tells us that while the emperor's children stole his body, they actually cloned him. And then Abadon killed off the clone and blew up, blew up the original one to prove that he's cooler than dad was. That's a meme, right? That's not actually what happened. That sounds pretty Abidon, actually.

He really, really is, he's very much like Horace. you failed, I won't. It's like, I will be better than him mentality. So in a sense, he's ushering in a new age for his legion. Abadon then named himself as Warmaster and named himself as the new Warmaster. And the remaining sons of Horace are now renamed to the Black Legion. And Abidon leads them.

It's a pretty cool one. And their main logo is that eye. That like it's kind of Yeah, they look a gold And black colored kind of vibe to them It's much more chaosy looking though Significantly more chaotic

Yeah, I've seen those guys Yeah, they're black legion look really cool Yeah, they're the classic chaos space marine They're the good old normal Like OG original chaos space marine faction But now Abidom takes the black legion And is constantly under the title of Warmaster, leading them to attempt to kill off all of the, of course, tons and tons of

imperials. However, at the same time, they also, you know, did all their multiple black crusades and the most recent one, the 13th ended with the fall of Cadia. But we will be getting to that in two weeks, because next week we have Abidom and his other 12th, Black Crusades. And then, after that is the Big 13. Other than that, that's mostly what I've got in terms of the Luna Wolves and Horace. It was definitely going to be a shorter one, even with all of our lolly gagging. But it's definitely a lot more. Either Horace's early life and the early life of the Lunar Wolves is entirely explaining the books,

or it's kept vague purposely because it's not important, and it's a lot more about the heresy and the uproof. bringing in his, or not the upbringing, but the working with the emperor instead. Right. It's not his upbringing that matters. It's what he did when he was, uh, took in by the emperor that really matters. All that other stuff is just like, yeah, uh, someone raised him. He had a, he had a childhood, whatever, whatever, whatever, inconsequential, whatever. Here's the important stuff, the emperor stuff, the Luna wolf stuff, the Harris, that's the, that's the meat and potatoes of the, of his story.

Yeah, it seems to be that. way. I mean, it's called the Horace heresy for a reason. And it does make sense that you would take all the other major factors and factions and end up making them a little bit more fleshed out because if he's the big guy, also, there's a lot, and I mean, a lot of lore on the Black Legion and Abidon. And so I think a lot more than there is post-heresy on a lot of the other factions, the Chaos Space Marine ones, that is. So that kind of makes sense in that retrospect as well. So Horace is 100% dead dead. There's no chance that Horace ever gets brought back to life

through some wonky-ass 40K retcon bullshit, right? He is soul's dead. His body's been disintegrated by Abadon. He is dead dead, right? Well, that's the thing, right? Is that it's GW, so you never truly know. There are people who say that Comrade Kurz is the last second before death

was like his soul was transferred into a soul stone of Eldar um I if that's true that's stupid because like god damn it you could this isn't marvel your characters can stay dead

for God's sake yes they can if they brought Horace back I think that would be probably one of the most egregious sins that they could possibly do it seems that way it seems like he's he's one of those figures that should stay dead.

If Horace ever could come back, Abidon was like, no. I don't want to. He's gonna stay dead. It's dead. Stay dead. Okay, cool. I got you now.

I'm on the same page. You got me? Good. I got you. I got you. I mean, at the end of the time, like,

yeah, Fabius Bile clothes him, and Fabius Bile is like, oh. He'll do, I mean, if there's a thing that can be cloned, he's going to fucking cloned. It's Fabius Bile. He loves that shit.

Shy, would you say that Fabius Bile is the Arabis typhus of the of the Emperor's children? I think I think I probably argue that Because there's always there's always that one guy It's like you got the primark and then you got like the the dude that works for them in the Legion who's just a shitter The Abidon typhus Arabis Fabius I do like Fabius Bile he's cool, but I also think typhus is fucking cool, but typhus is just like He's a real shitter. How can they all end in Eus?

Like typhus, Eibus, Fabius. Why are they all uses? You just, you cleverly ignored Abidon in that one. Well, no, like the douchebag

secondaries, right? Abadonis. Is Abidonis the sequel to Amogus? Yes. Well, I suppose Abidon would be an outlier, wouldn't be?

That doesn't matter. It's fun. Whatever. Most of the time, one would argue that Horace was mighty suss. Stop. Horace.

Horace among us. No. Horace among us. Shy cut it. Shy to end it. That's it. Nathaniel Garrow was walking around and he was like there's a there's an apostor among us.

Adeptusrediculous.com. Type suss. You can find me a D. Erasus. Everywhere. I think you can find him. Fabious suss vile. Act quiet, shy and shallow everywhere.

Oh, God. Susqueatious. Please stop. Thank you.