Adeptus Ridiculous - MAGNUS: THE CRIMSON KING | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousMagnus the Red (also known as the Crimson King, the Sorcerer-King, Cyclopean Magnus or the Red Cyclops) is the Primarch of the Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marine legion. A giant in both physical and mental terms whilst a mortal inhabitant of the materium, Magnus long tried to understand and control the warp, becoming a sorcerer of formidable power. Magnus would eventually fall from favour with his father, the Emperor, and with the majority of his brother-primarchs due to his zealous advocacy and use of such power. Indeed it would prove to be his mortal undoing, as, forewarned of Horus' fall to Chaos, his attempt to use his own warp-touched abilities to alert the Emperor to the situation brought about his own damnation and servitude to the Chaos God Tzeentch. Magnus led his own troops to the banner of Horus and fought on his side during the Great Betrayal, surviving the events and being elevated to the position of Daemon Prince. He has spent the majority of the millennia since ensconced atop his tower upon the Planet of the Sorcerers, planning the destruction of the Imperium.Support the show

episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diomontes, his name is Bricky and episode today. But before that, if you enjoyed today's podcast and you maybe want to support us, consider heading over to Patreon.com slash Adeptis Ridiculous, where you can get access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen. The $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in Krispy Digital, HD, format, ooh, crispy. Patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. Bricky. What's up? Hey, what's up? How you doing? Not bad. You know, it's a slow news week for all things Warhammer.

So, you know, just kind of taking it easy and not watching the world explode. You know, as it is. You know, I actually believe that whatever our next poster is going to be, I think I have an inkling of what it could possibly be. Just a slight thought process of what the next poster might end up becoming. I can either confirm nor deny any. Any details or work in progress is about the future poster, because if I do, shy might kill me. I mean, that's fair and understandable. And in her realm.

Yeah, you know, a relatively slow news week. Very unfortunate for the fans of insert this episode's topic here today. You know, they had to be the ones that got saddled with the, with the cataclysmic news. Oh, yeah. Cataclysmic, world-changing, rule-breaking, tabletop smashing news. I got to be honest. I found out about war in Iran the day after. Because we have our priority straight. Oh, wow. You found out about that after?

The day after. My mom had to tell me. And I was like, oh, I didn't know. What a world. It is a world that we live in. It is a world that we are simply pawns in the great scheme. But yeah, so, you know, I mean, you know, go read the big DACA. You know, check out your merch at Orchidate.com. Link in the description, all that good stuff.

But, but, you know, it's a good Monday. Yes, Monday as we're recording this, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's nice and early in the morning, almost 9 a.m. you know, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, blue skies, clouds in the sky. It actually is a pretty nice morning. Not too hot, not too cold, you know. Was it? Was it? I, I wasn't awake. Woke up at a crisp 8.30, blue skies, white clouds. Wait, are you trying to tell me.

75 degrees, you know? Are you trying to tell me that you woke up? Oh, no. Bricky no. Did you say the W word? Oh no. I'm sorry, Pricky, please. Please, please, please, Prickie. Are you becoming woke, D.K.? Wait, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, no, no, no, no, no, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, no, no. Have you actually seen that clip? I have. It's from the Punisher. Yeah, it's a pretty dark part. I can't not see it as a meme now, because it's a genuinely like hardcore scene. I never watched The Punisher is the crazy thing. I just, I like the actor from The Walking Dead because he was a proper.

Oh man, I hope he gets his in, in that series. And I never, I never watched The Punisher. Me rubbing my hand through my hair and saying like, let me tell you something, Rick was something I repeated on mass for like a good five years back then.

Yeah. It was those good times. Ah, well, you know. You know how it is. So, Bricky, what's, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what's up? Well, I mean, trying to think of a good way to, to, to, again, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, am upset that, uh, I, a sincere apology for our fans today, uh, as the individuals excited about today's topic were, unfortunately being saddled with the general news of the world. Yeah.

Um, I've got lots of, uh, I got lots of, uh, I got lots. of quotes for this one. I mean, I have a unfathomable amount of quotes in this one. The issue is that they all kind of tip their hand when they're said. And so, I think you might get away easy with this one. Okay. What you mean, you're just not going to give me one because, wow, they're all just so easy. Let's just assume that D.K.

as smart as we all think he is, and just skip the quote. I mean, naturally, no, but I think you're going to get it still. Okay. We'll just grab this simple one, unless Shai has anything better for me before we hop into this. Well, given that you've said that today's episode, you've already apologized to fans of them for being saddled with thing. I mean, I'm I'm tasting it in the air a little bit. bit, but go ahead. Did you have to make that noise?

Oh, you mean them? Yeah, yeah, that's me. That's me tasting the air. I don't like this. I don't like this. Air molecules, they taste like little gold. I'm getting a little gold in here.

I'm getting a little you know? That's like the worst thing I've heard all day. It's, well, we've just woken. Well, exactly. Oh, well, hey, I'm setting the bar. I like this one from Shy. We'll read this one in STEM.

The lives of those who once devoted themselves to him hold no meaning to the hymn now. I would weep to see us fallen so low. But there is too much to be dumb if we are ever to restore ourselves and prove that we were right and the wolves were wrong. Wow, that's actually not that obvious of a quote. She found a decent one. Wow, that's actually pretty decent. But are we doing custodian-related shenanigans today by any chance? No, no, that's, we're pushing past that because, like, this is why I meant, they're saddled with this, but we're pushing past that.

Okay, okay. The lives of the, boy, I just kind of assume that that's what we were doing. And now I believe I have blockaded reason and intelligence. I'm not that I had a bunch to begin with, but I believe I have put up a blockade and I cannot see the forest for the trees. The Dorn method. Yeah, I have fortified myself thinking that that's what I was preparing for today because there must have been something. Uh, uh, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I genuinely, who hates wolves? Oh, I would say the thousand sons hate wolves quite a bit because, wow, did you have to break his back?

Did you have to nearly kill him? Now we're all sand. He's done it again, lads. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What? Really? I did? Yes. Are we doing Thousand Sons? We are.

Oh, let's go, my sandy boys, my dusty boys? It's finally time. Let's go! It's finally time. It's time. Let's go! Well, it's not quite K-Sons. It's Magnus the Red, but it's...

Right, right. We do the primark, and then we do the faction, right? Yes, the usual type of one, then the two. Oh, hell yeah. In fairness, if there was any faction that the Thousand Suns would love to watch implode, it would be the custodians, especially on the tabletop, because fighting custodians' thousand sons on tabletop

is a nightmare but not for much longer because they're codex's ass ooh yeah yeah that seems like the thing to be upset about

it's like oh the codex just sucks like that's the thing to be upset about it's right it is arguing the worst codex I've read

in like almost ever it's really really bad but it's unimportant they're supposed to be hype they're supposed to be crazy unimportant

unimportant thousand sons Thousands of Sons. Magnus the Red. We do like a good Cyclops boy in this house. So can I admit to something here? Yes, sir. I'm actually, I actually, despite, you know, we, you know, in this podcast, our dynamic is very clear.

We have Warhammer, know it all, Bricky, and Warhammer not knowing stuff, D.K., along with intermediary slash kidnapper shy. I would not want to be kidnapped by shy, by the way. That... At least he'll be alive. Well... I prefer the term finessed. I would say, like, if you're captured by the Dracari, you're alive, you'll wish you weren't. Also true.

But you're alive. So that's kind of like getting kidnapped by shy, I feel like. Regardless. The main thing, though, is that I actually, despite me having that thing, I'm still, like, relatively like fan Warhammer person. I have lots of like very surface level knowledge. I'm not a super dive deep unless it starts in factions.

I actually knew very, very little about Magnus. Oh. That might surprise some folks, but uh, but I actually genuinely was not a huge Magnus. Like, I mean, I mean, like I don't know.

It's just when you see magician guy, you kind of just assume that they're magician guy and I kind of moved on from that. The Egyptian aesthetic is cool, but not like my favorite aesthetic. I sure do love painting trim. God, the Thousand Sun's

trim is so awful. And those damn helmets with those little lines on them. They're actually, they're genuinely awful, I agree. But I didn't know much about madness. So in a sense, despite all

of the usual Horace heresy stuff that I've learned about Magnus through osmosis from all the other events in the lore, I didn't actually know a ton about Magnus. So this was basically a fresh look into the character. And I left with less than I thought I would get. Well, less like, like you didn't like him as much as you thought you would, or there wasn't much new info. What do you mean by you didn't get much out of it? I expected, there to be more lore for such a loved character. And there are a couple books about him.

You've got the Thousand Sun's novel, The Crimson King novel, and also The Fury of Magnus, and then a couple of short stories here and there. But I guess I expected maybe like 60% more in terms of all of his general information. And it was less than I thought it would be. Yeah, I mean, for me,

all you ever really hear about Magnus is like, oh, Magnus did nothing wrong, even though he very clearly, even as someone that likes Magnus and likes the Thousand Sons, Homeboy did a lot wrong. And that's mostly what you hear about him and how he got his back broken by Russ. Other than that, it's like, yeah, what else is there to tell, right? Other than he's mad at Arieman for Arieman being stupid. Well, that's not quite fair, I don't think, to Magnus. either. True. There's a really good phrase, I think someone said, which was in D&D, you know, you have intelligence and you have wisdom.

And there are two very different attributes. Magnus is a very smart person. I would argue he is one of the smartest, if not the smartest primark, in a lot of facets of just general knowledge. But he did do a lot of dumb things that were based a lot of the most. motion and he took a lot of gambols and he's also quite wishy-washy with a lot of his decisions kind of threw me off so yeah Magnus is that character that has super high intelligence very low wisdom maybe not very maybe not well lower than just average

lower than his intelligence yeah well yeah quite a bit lower but yeah so here's how Magnus rolls around. So Magnus, of course, is, as far as I'm concerned, the largest primark. I believe he's the biggest. I think he actually... I don't know if he eclipses his Vulcan. I was going to say, Vulcan is a big boy.

Like, is Magnus bigger than him? I thought he was. Well, because Magnus is also, like, red. You know, he... That's true. He's a little different than the average character. I don't remember if he's actually... Well, he's bigger now, no doubt, but... Yeah. I don't remember if he's actually...

larger than Volcano. But he's a big, big boy. Big boy. Big boy. All right. Very big boy. He actually remembers a great period of time when he was an infant, which is a fascinating thing. When he was in the pod on Terra, he constantly psychically communicated and chatted with the emperor. Oh, wow. Because he has the most psychic might by far. Sure. If anybody's going to do that, it's going to be Magnus, because he's kind of, he's the psycher of the group, essentially. And he was able to talk with the emperor a bit during his pod. And eventually when he got yeaded out, he landed on the colony world of Prospero, which is a kind of a haven for outcast human psychers.

The entire planet was already covered in psychers. And so when he landed there, he wasn't really seen as anything different. Right. He's just a normal baby with psychic abilities, just like the rest of us. If we remember in the age of strife and a lot of things, Cycars popped up a lot and then were ostracized and then witch hunted. And so eventually when they were sent out in a way, they were able to, you know, kind of. Colonize.

Find a haven for themselves and be do well, right? Do well for themselves. Not be hunted down and ostracized and, you know. Right. So they chose, you know, they chose Prospero because it's quite remote from Terra, very, very far away. and Magnus landed directly in the middle of a plaza of the main capital of the planet. And then a very famous psycher named Amon, or Amon, I'm going to go with Amon. Amon sounds more like the Egyptian vibe of their thing, yeah.

That's true. A-M-O-N, so I'm going to go with Amon. Yeah. Oh, he's cool looking. Yeah, no, he's got a good design. Head hats, nice. He found Magnus, raised him as a son, tutored him in all-thing psychic, and naturally like every other prime mark ever,

he outgrew way faster, and then the student becomes the master. Especially when you're a primark. It's only a matter of time. Especially when you're a primark. Magnus, of course, mastered psycher in psychic training to a huge degree, became extremely powerful, very, very smart,

channeled warp energy, looked into the warp all the time and mastering it very, very quickly. Eventually, he led a campaign on Prospero against a fancy type of warp beast called the Psycho-Newan. It's a hard to do it. It's another, I don't know, imagine them kind of like the beasts on Caliban for the lion, except psychic beasts. And we're constantly giving problems to the Prosperian people. So.

Okay. So just crazy wildlife on Prospero that's kind of sort of warp-based. Yeah, like psychic wildlife. Yeah. So he, you know, in usual Primark fashion, he became leader of Prospero, led a fight against all of these beasts, took them out, and with them completely removed, he was able to rebuild and turn Prospero into kind of a paradise. I'd argue that Prospero is, shy, do you think there are any other home planets that were better than Prospero? like it it was genuinely like giant marble and glass pyramids with like gorgeous plazas filled with forests and and just it's just like a paradise. Wow, that picture of Prospero is like, wow, yeah, that's, that's, I mean, that's pretty nice. That's pretty nice. And of course, pyramids, right?

Because, you know, the Egyptian vibe, right? Right, of course. Maybe Ultramar, but I think Ultramar was like a little bit more industrial. This is what I'd imagine you'd talk about when you think of a paradise world. Lush greenery, marble and glass and, you know, like, you know, you like take a walk through the plaza and it's just this like mind bending gorgeous. It's beautiful. Yeah, wow. Hey, Prospero, that's a luscious green paradise you've got there.

Be a shame if anything happened to it. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. We know where this is going. I mean, Tizca, the main capital of Prospero, was known for its splendor. It's just just pure beauty. It was incredible in a million kinds of ways. And because of this, well, not because of this, but the massive psychic might in the warp of not just Magnus, but of the people of Prospero made the emperor.

Yeah, the whole planet being of Cyker is emperor, emperor, noticed them pretty darn quick. I'm surprised this wasn't the first thing he found, because they've got to be setting off a beacon in the warp that is just freaking massive, like Independence Day alien ship massive, like continental beacon in the warp with this planet of Cycars just bing, boom, boom, boom. Well, if you remember, this was a very, very far away place from Terra,

because of the because you know Sykers wanted to be as far away as possible Oh that's true that's true It's far. It's far away. But regardless Eventually the emperor did arrive With his fleets and

Him and Magnus chatted as if they Had like known each other forever Because they talked a bit in the pod And nothing like this is the psychic might Of Magnus There really isn't any need To show some kind of diplomacy Like once you're there you're there

Like, Magnus got him. They got each other. Sure. Also, so they communicated a little bit when he was in the pod, right, psychically. When he got out and he started, like, actually, like, training and becoming, like, a stronger psycher, he couldn't, like, had he been keeping in contact with Biggie or had they, like, not been? Because, I mean, if he can do it as a child, surely, as a trained psycher, he could very easily be

like, hey, dad, what's up? up, it's your boy, Magnus, I'm here and I'm a strong boy. Or was it just like connection immediately cut? Or how does that work? We're stretching the limits of the psychic power a little bit. Don't forget. Well, we'll get to that later. But in order to transfer vast distances with psychic energy, don't forget what Magnus had

to do in order to do that. And he's like an infant child. Oh, yeah. It's very, I think it's very different when it's like, hey, hi, test tube son. I'm currently staring at on Terra looking into the glass versus across the galaxy. Oh, that's true. That's true. Sure.

Sure. That's fair. Yeah. To be able to do intergalactic messaging would probably be a little more difficult than, yeah, that's fair. So the main thing that, you know, I mean, Magnus, the emperor, they chatted. Things are good. Oh, I welcome your place into the Imperium. Yad, yada, yada, yada, the usual kind of thing.

Now, it should be noted that Amam, was like, hey, Magnus, you know, going into the warp, doing the warp stuff, it's important. It's, like, it's good for psychers and stuff, but be careful. There are things in there that, little predators in there that'll want to cause you problems. So be careful with how much warp stuff you do. Magnus likes his warp stuff, so he did a ton of warp stuff. And the emperor was like, hey, great stuff. But maybe be a little cautious, because there's things in there.

that you don't want to, you know, there's trouble. There's trouble in there. There's stuff in there that's, don't mess with it. Watch yourself a little bit. Just kind of watch yourself. And so, you know, Magnus eventually was reintegrated

into Imperial Society. And, oh, I argue the number one biggest thing that led to what he was as a character was the mutation of his son. So do you remember the problem with the 1,000 son's gene stock? Um, um, mum, mum, mum. I, you know, I really don't.

The only, obviously the only problem I remember with the Thousand Suns was, you know, not a, not the vacuum. Right. We'll get to that also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's much further down the line. But like, pre-heresy, I genuinely don't remember what's wrong with their gene seed, to be honest with you.

So, right. So there's a reason they, they become the, dust, but, and this is part of it. So they have a genetic warp-based mutation called the flesh change. It is a big issue where basically with time and often, if they push their psychic powers too much, they will grow like tentacles and eyes and eventually turn into basically a chaos spawn. Oh.

Whoa. It's a bad process. Yeah, I did not know that. So if they go too hardcore with their psychic stuff, they just turn demon? Not so much demon. Chaos spawn. It's a little different. Oh, okay.

But do you remember that, you remember that, you know, the big, the tentacle thing in the beginning of the dark tide trailer or like the intro cinematic? Yeah, vaguely. Yeah, it's like that thing. Oh, ooh. Yeah, your flesh just goes out of whack. Yeah, chaos mutants. That is. Blabbering mutants.

That is quite the unfortunate gene mutation for a group that is known for their psychic abilities. That sucks. And partially probably because of that psychic ability is half the reason why this is their issue. But a true because you're messing around with the warp so much that, you know, when you mess with the warp, the warp tends to mess back. So, you know, the Thousand Suns were out and about doing occasional things in the Great Crusade before they found Magnus, like, most were, but that mutation had really taken its toll. And so by the time Magnus was reunited with his sons, there were about how many left? Was there a thousand of them left by any chance? About a thousand left. Let's go. I'm batting a thousand today, baby. One feather,

the thousand sons. That's why they're called it. I'm batting a thousand on the thousand sons episode. This man does not miss literally because the thousands. Ah, let's go. Let's go. Just pumping iron today. It's just, you know, working on the shoulders, working on the lats, you know. Just kidding. I don't work out. It's going to be, going to be thick, thick, succulent and rotund. I am thick and rotund. I don't know about the succulent part, though. Well, there's always time. How does one work out and become succulent? We'll get there later.

Oh, no. So Magnus, of Magnus, of course, sees this awful flesh change thing. And particularly, there are two people that really don't like this warp issue mutation. Well, I guess three. I was going to say, I was going to, to say the emperor as well because he had his problems, but that's not quite what I was going to go for. I mean, I'm sure the emperor is not a big fan, sure.

Not a big fan, but for the most part, it was Lehman Rus and Mortarian. These two people were the ones who disdained Sykers the most and the use of the warp, and particularly disliked how Magnus waged war, because often they would go and, you know, go to a planet to liberate it during the, Liberated, yeah. During the Great Crusade. Liberate. Yeah, air quotes.

During the Great Crusade. How about a nice cup of liberty? Kills self with impact grenade. Called Eagle on self. They often would, you know, wage war in the psychic manner, which sometimes meant like enthralling the population, which was pretty dark and not great, but it was a way to lower casualties. Sure. Sure, psychically, less casualties, but then they go crazy and, you know. Also, Mortarian, so I knew, I knew Russ was obviously not a big fan because Russ likes to go in,

glory, glory, hallelujah, and do his thing. But Mortarian, too? So, we haven't done Mortarian in a long time. Morty, the lords on barbarous on his home planet were all psychers, if I'm not mistaken. Or a lot of them were. And so he has huge disdain for psychers for what they rock on him and his friends. Okay, that's all you had to say. I got you now and I'm like, okay, yep, that makes sense.

Yeah, all right, cool, cool, cool. I'm with you now. Yeah, Mortarian is a psycher and he hates himself for it. Oh, right, all right. Hey, he just like me, for real, for real. Yeah, Martyrians. Except without the psychic ability, you know. Mortarian's reason for going heresy is a bit iffy.

Yeah, because he, like, hates the emperor for learning he was created with the warp. And then he also hates him because he didn't let him kill his own dad. Yeah, he killed. I remember the kill stealing and that being his big reason for being like, yo, F you, Biggie, that was my kill. But there were a lot of very difficult problematic things that went along with Mortarian and Russ. specifically in the, hey, your psychers are cringe. And also stop going to a planet after you liberate it and stealing all of their lore because that's not very imperial truth. That's not very humanity number one.

The imperial is the only way. Why would you keep the knowledge that you gain from them? That doesn't seem like there's a point. Ah, okay. But of course, Magnus loves his knowledge. She loves his learning, keeping knowledge, safeguarding knowledge, even of other factions and stuff is good. And in fact, he got to the point so much that Magnus, you know, and him being as amazing as he was with psychic power, had a little book on his hip, the book of Magnus. Oh, okay.

It's not like a book of grudges, is it? It's just like a book of knowledge of other cultures and other planets. And more so a spellbook. Ah, okay. more so a spellbook It's a big old spellbook And with that spellbook He records all kinds of crazy sorcery

It's actually kind of neat It's the hide of one of those psychic animals It bounds the book with like a golden chain And a lead lock He always keeps it on his hip And you might see a lot of photos of Magnus And it's always on his hip Little book

Also do the ad mech by any chance Have any affinity for Magnus And the Thousand Sons Because like I know they're like psychic and everything, but they also seem like, oh, but it's knowledge, and you should preserve knowledge,

and knowledge is good. And the ad mech are kind of like that, right? They're kind of like, oh, but knowledge is good. We should keep knowledge. We should learn from knowledge. But, well, I don't know. It's not,

the thing is, it's not old school human, dark age of technology knowledge. It's like opposing culture knowledge, which is, It's always one of the biggest issues you run into when you talk about the admec is on one hand, they're like, I refuse to ever consider any Zenos technology. But on the other hand, some Admec people are like, well, we need to study the Zeno's text so we know how to kill them better. Yeah, wasn't that in the, wasn't that in Brutonan, one of the things that they were, like, debating was like, we need to, like, there was some book we were reading that was essentially like, oh, yeah, we can't just destroy Zeno stuff because then we want. won't know how to kill Zeno's stuff.

It's weird with ad mech. Some consider the research of other factions to be heresy. Some consider it to be completely, you know, fine in the grand scheme of things. It's, it genuinely just depends on the individual. Okay. And it's one of the real affinity. It's just kind of like, yeah, they're just kind of, yeah. Yeah, like, why bother?

But also, I think the ad mech cared less about what the hell Magnus the Red was doing. They cared a lot more about making more guns. Yeah, they probably had their own stuff to worry about. cares what a prime mark is doing. Yeah. But for the most part, this was kind of like where Magnus was heading. You know, he was gathering all the sorcery and power. And his biggest issue was this flesh change thing.

And eventually, there was the possibility or the request that maybe, you know what, this flesh change is a real problem. We should just like kill them all. Oh, okay. All right. Sure. Yeah. Well, is it just kill anybody that has been like,

Like, hey, he's growing tentacles. Kill him! Or was it just any, like, how did they go on? So if they were considering euthanizing the remaining thousand sons because they had this genetic fault. Okay. And, you know, Mortarian or Rush were pretty big on this. And there's not many of their left, so it's not a huge deal.

And then we can just start with some new Marines that don't have that issue. Bada big, bada boom. Realest guy in the room. How you doing? We got rid of all the nasty jeans. Yeah. Okay. Easy.

Easy. And so, Magnus naturally was like, please don't. I bet he was not a fan of this. No, no, Magnus, okay, if I had to guess. You want to do what? I think Magnus cared the most for his sons out of any Primark. Like, maybe we got Vulcan, like maybe Vulcan. but I genuinely think that he is number one top dog

he gave the biggest shit of all of his sons I think maybe more than Vulcan maybe the same depends if you ask a salamanders or a thousand sons fan yeah it depends it damn close he really likes his sons though regardless of if it's them he really really likes them he appreciates his boys that's the important part right that's the important part

And so he decided to do his damnedest to find a way to fix the flesh change. And he asked the emperor, he was like, let me find a cure. And the emperor said, all right, do your thing. And so after a large amount of studying and trying to figure out some kind of fancy cure for the flesh change, he delved deep, deep, deep into the warp and made a bargain with an entity. Oh, Magnus. why you gotta be like this man. I know you're desperate to save your boys,

but this reeks of bad idea, high intelligence, low wisdom. This seems not good. You ever wonder how Magnus lost his eye? Yeah, actually I did. I never heard the story of how he lost his eye. I'm assuming it's to the warp entity. Well, yeah, maybe if,

maybe if the emperor was less cryptic and didn't do that whole, don't be careful with that stuff, instead of, hey, buddy, there are gods out there. But Magnus believed himself to be the smarter one and win out on a duel of wits. He exchanged his eye for the... He exchanged his eye specifically to reverse the flesh change of his sons. Huh.

I mean, that is a shockingly low price to pay for what he's asking for. I mean, yeah, it's an extremely low price to pay. Like, the fact that he only had to give up his right eye and the sons he cared so much for would be cured of this awful genetic mutation. That almost seems too good to be true, Bricky. A crazy, right? Well, yeah, what might say that that price was very low? Yeah, shockingly low, wow. Good for Magnus and the Thousand Suns that nothing.

thing bad happened. So, you know, the flesh change was then abated. Awesome. Great. You did it, Magnus. You did it, Magnus. Great stuff, Magnus. And so things got better. Things got very, much, much better. Life for our good friend Magnus the Reb and the thousand sons were very solid. You know, there wasn't any issues. There was no re bringing, or the flush change did not come back. This was a deal hard one. And so the Great Crusade continues. The Great Crusade moves along time and time again to deal with those bits and pockets of resistance out there. And eventually, there after some time, Magnus, well, I guess the flesh changed.

might have popped up again once or twice. But very, very, very small. Okay, so rarely, it happened rarely. That's, you know what, hey, gave up my right eye. It is mostly cured. Pops up every once in a while. That's fine. We just put them in a dark corner never to be seen again.

All's well. Whatever. Better than everybody having it, you know, it's okay. Very easy stuff. And, and per chance, per chance, Russ and Mortarian and the folks were not super stoked with all this whole thing going on. So we eventually get to a point known as the Council of Nike. Rott row.

Council of, oh yeah, that's true. The father from Terra, the crusade went the more strange warped influence creatures they came across. And it was similar magic to Magnus. And that also made a lot of the people doing that Great Crusade not particularly stoked. Yeah, that seems like something to be a little alarmed about Shilately alarmed Definitely worrying

So you got to the council in Nike And in this council Russ and Mortarian I don't think it was actually Russ I think it was like a stand-in for us Basically went to the emperor And was like hey This

Has got to stop It's a problem These the psychers are Issues We are finding more and more of them. It is issue. Oh, crap. The quote about Morty and Magnus. Oh, do I have that quote on hand? That's a good quote. Um, duh. I can see why the council of Nike would be like, hey, Magnus, look, pal, we love you and everything, but maybe dial that shit down a little. We're running

into some weird stuff that looks a little familiar. Uh, so if you could, If you could just cut it out, that'd be swell. Do you, I get that. Shai, do you have the quote? I'm actually not finding it. Oh, oh, oh. Are you actually, you want to read it? Magnus points out how physically in tune Mortarian is

because his bodyguards follow exactly seven steps behind him and he can melt into shadows. I just love Magnus being happy that his brothers have gifts like him while being oblivious to the fact that Mortarian is planning to sue him at the council of Nike. That's right. It's right. Because every primark, we were talking about us before, every primark feels that they have like a little psychic stuff. It's like a tintsy bit. You know, like Curse can see the future. Singuineus has angel wings. I can also see the future. You know, everyone has a little bit of one of those things.

And it's like, yeah, wow, Morty. Look at your great gifts. You're also a little bit psychic and magic. And Mortarian is just furious. Just copseathe mulled, mortarian. Yeah. very upset with that. So anyway, we talked about the council of the Akea before, but the long and short of it is, is that eventually librarians were to be disbanded, as in the use of psychic powers and space marines. Magnus and the K-sons were banned from practicing sorcery and all the psychic effects, and the only psychers allowed were things like astropaths, navigators, and other sanctioned cykers. Right.

Which obviously Magnus is not going to be happy about because that's. That's their forte. That's what they do best. That's their thing. You ask us not to do psych or stuff. That's like asking a space ring not to use a bolter. Like, what the hell, man? Yeah, it also massively reduces the effectiveness of the Thousand Suns.

Oh, yeah. Massive, massive Nerf. Take the Thousand Suns and just remove all of their psychic powers. Like, oh, God. It's like, why even exist? Why don't you just disband the Thousand Suns? Kind of need that stuff, you know? Yeah, that's our thing.

So, regardless, oh, fun fact, Amon was at Council of Nike and voted pro use of magic. He was also impersonated by a demon. Oof. You love it. Yikes. He loves each. So he's a demon at this point? No, impersonated by.

He's still a rat. Oh, okay. Yeah, he was impersonated. But the emperor voted no. And naturally, Magnus was furious to this, but he was. He can't really fight this. And funny enough, this is actually where the space marine chaplains started showing up to uphold the imperial truth. Now, granted, the chaplains have become a little bit of a different thing nowadays.

They're a little bit more of a zealot now. But at the time, this is kind of when they showed up. Like, hey, put them in, bring the purity of the Astardis legions. And yeah, now they're priests. So a little different. Right. So are the chaplains go, are the chaplains the one that go back to like prospero with Magnus and like, hey, we're going to keep an eye on you, make sure you don't do any psych or nonsense? Or are they just like, ah, no, Magnus will follow the rules.

I'm sure it'll be fine. Chaplains were put in all Space Marine Legion. It's just to kind of like help uphold the imperial truth. This isn't like Big E giving the custodians to Lorda to watch his ass. Gotcha. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Now, after this, of course, things start to get a bit problematic because there's this crazy event going on called the Horace heresy. Oh, wow, that little thing?

A little thing like that. Yeah. And so originally, right, Magnus, you know, because he's a psycher, he often, like, peers into the great beyond and looks in the future and all these kinds of stuff. Horace was made Warmaster and all these things. And eventually, it's a long, a long back and forth situation. going on with this whole deal. But I think an important situation is that he has a vision of this big civil war. And his first goal is like, all right, I got to tell Horace about this thing.

I got to figure this out. So he goes to cyclically contact Horace and he's like, oh my God, he's already been stabbed by the evil blade. Yeah, I'm already too late for that event. Can't change that. Oh, well, let's move on to the next chain of events that I can potentially. stop. Yeah, like, oh, God, oh, crap. We're already there. We got to, we got to move on. Yeah, move on to the next point of interest. Yep. So figuring out what the hell to do at this point,

he's like, oh, I got to tell the emperor, but I can't just like do normal telepathy. It's so slow. This is a bad issue right now. This is, it's like, I got to be quick. I got to be fast. All right, fellas. All right, everybody, gather around, bring the sorcerers in. I'm I'm going to send myself directly to dad. I'm going to send myself directly to dad. I'm okay, dad. And this is, this is the moment. This is the big fucky-wucky.

This is the Magnus did everything wrong moment. This is, yep. So he sends himself to dad. And then once he gets to dad, he's like, what the hell? I can't get through. What is this? What is all this stuff? I can't talk to dad.

I can't figure it out. And then whispering in his ear is some fancy, fancy guy being like, hey, buddy, if you need a little bit more help, I got you back. Just take it. I'll give you a little bit more power. And then I'll let you burst your way through it. Oh, no. Oh, no, don't listen. And Magnus being all like, God damn.

I got to get to dad. I got to help dad. I got to get to dad. I got to warn dad about this thing that's happening. God darn it. All right, here we go. I will take your power A Mysterious Warp entity.

Skadush! Kablam! Metal pipe sound effect. Hey, Dad! Watch out, Dad. Horace! Oh, my God! What did I do?

So... And he breaks through the Emperor's secret Webway project that he didn't tell anyone about ever. Blows through the entire psychic barrier keeping all the demons out. Next thing, you know, the 10,000 custodians are left dealing with this mess forever. Forever. And Biggie can't leave the throne anymore because he's got to protect everyone from all of the demons that are pouring in.

Oh, Magnus. Oh, Magnus. Why did you have to listen to the whispers? Were the whispers maybe coming from his... It'd be funny if he was like, oh, I hear whispers coming from my missing. eye. What's going on? It's like they're coming from my eye socket. He needed to burst through the barrier and there he was to warn the emperor and in reality he killed a whole lot of people in that room.

How many people did he? Wasn't there like, wasn't it like? It's like thousands. Oh, thousands. Okay. I was going to say it wasn't millions, but it was a lot of people that just immediately. I know we're not super hot on master. of Mankind as an overall book, but the opening being like Magnus blowing through and the emperor being like, what have you done? What do, dude. Yeah, that was a really good opening. Oh, for sure.

That is a great opening. Also, is it Master of Mankind where you get to see like the POV of the psychers that are getting drained? And it's like, oh, it's like, oh my God, that's awful. That's, oh, my God. And this happens every day? Yeah, that was a bad time. That was a pretty bad time.

Sheesh. But, so, you know, he does this. He blows through the whole thing. And good old, you know, Biggie is not happy, clearly. That's an, the understatement of the millennia. Biggie was not happy when Magnus burst through his secret project.

He was very, very upset. Mift even. Miffed even. him. So, you know, at this point, Biggie clearly believes that Magnus has betrayed him, and he is the huge issue going on right now. So he says, hey, Russ, go capture him. Go, go take him, go take him out, bring him back to stand trial. And halfway through, Horace was like, hey, Russ, dad changed his mind. He wants you to burn Prospero. He wants you to destroy everything he's ever known and loved.

And Russ, not much liking Magnus, but also understanding that Horace as the war master basically spoke with the same authority. You listen to Horace in the same way you listen to Biggie. You don't question it. You just follow orders. And so you, you know, he, uh, that's kind of what he did. that is exactly what he did. We've talked about the burning of Prospero a few times now. Talked about it with the space wolves, but Magnus specifically there was, this is one of those parts that he's really wishy-washy and it kind of throws me off.

Yeah, well, that's true. Russ did try to get him alive technically, but it's more fun to imagine him as not. Yeah, is it true that Russ tried to like, send comms to Magnus and be like, hey, Magnus, Magnus. And I'm pretty sure it's true that Magnus had put up like a barrier so that no coms could get in, no comms could get out because he was like, he felt really guilty. He was like, oh my God, what have I done? I effed up Dad's project.

I killed all those people. Man, whatever's coming for me, I deserve it. Screw it. If Prospero burns, I deserve it. I'm actually a little bit impressed. That is basically what happened. Yeah. I know a little.

I know a little bit about the Thousand Suns. They were the first faction that I painted. So I knew a little bit about it. He knows a little. And you are correct. That is what happens. For the most part, Magnus, not wanting to be an unwitting pawn of Zinch again, puts the shield up and kind of just resides himself. to fate because any kind of fighting back would possibly have him require more assistance.

Oh, yeah. And he wouldn't be able to turn back the influence of Zinch. Right. And so they were caught basically completely by surprise in a sense. Yeah, well, the populace of Prospero was, yeah, Magnus knew something was coming, but the Thousand Sons were like, what? And especially when they had a huge contingent of the Imperial Army and Sisters of Silence brought with them, which of course are real rough issues for Magnus and his friends. That's a problem. But, you know, and this is the wishy-washy thing, because eventually Magnus changes his mind. Like halfway through his planet getting raised to the ground, he's like, you know what?

Maybe I will fight back. You know what? God damn it, I hate what's going on right now. I'm seeing, I care about my sons so much. I'm seeing them all just die it in droves. You know what? Fine. I will fight back.

And it's a little, I don't know, it's a little weird. It's a little wishy-washy. It is a little wishy-washy. But, I mean, I can kind of see it where you're like, oh, I deserve this punishment and, oh,

I'm going to say, but then, like, once the punishment starts happening, and you see everything you've known and loved, and you love it as much as Magnus does, you can kind of, like, you can kind of see how, like, uh, you know what? No, I got to save my sons. I can't just let them pay for my mistake, right?

All right. So it's a bit of, I get it, but, you know. Wishi-washy, certainly. Wishy-washy. Yeah. The final fight between him and Russ, you know, between the Sisters of Silence and the runic armor that Russ had, it was basically a, not so likely, like a psychic list duel, but it was very much, you know, muted psychic powers from Magnus because of all of the wards put in place. Yeah. And when you get into a one-on-one fist fight, you know, Russ is always going to win. Russ ain't bad. And, you know, so this is a thousand son's reference. I'm not going to go too hard on the backbreaker. It's,

we care about them this time. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I was going to say, everybody forgets that, you know, even though he was significantly nerve, Magnus puts up a good fight.

He does crush one of Russ's hearts. And he does, he, considering who he's fighting, he puts up a nice fight. Like, I don't know. If Magnus wasn't,

nerfed by all of the things put in place to stop him from being psycher, do you think he could have, like, tangoed with Russ and won? Possibly, yeah. I mean, his, I mean, they're primarck, so, you know, yeah. His psychic knowledge is incredible. Like, he could just blast him the bits, but there's a reason why Russ wore runic armor to board that stuff off. Oh, yeah, he came prepared.

He was like, I know who I'm fighting. I'm not going to go in there. And, yeah, fair enough. And, you know, clearly that's one of those things that's, that's, you know, you, you, you, you prepare yourself beforehand. It's not like the two of them were just nude. Mm-hmm. Would you like to read this quote?

Sure. Do you remember what you said to me, brother? Do you remember what you said to me as we fought before the pyramid of Fotep? Do you remember the words you used? I do. As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that. The master of the wolves, his ferocity,

twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal, so tenacious. Truly, you were the attack dog of the emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then and I know it now, but all things changed, my brother. Magnus thinking about their fight after becoming a chaos primark. You know, Magnus after becoming a chaos primark is actually kind of a little, a little bit of a little. little petulant, I won't lie. He's a, he's a bit very spiteful. I think he maybe deserves it, but it's also partially his fault. Oh, for sure.

He's the one that listened to the voices in the warp. Like, it, it, hmm. Yeah, but at the same time, it's the weird part, right? Because it's like, yeah, because he had no idea. Like, Biggie didn't tell him, you know? If Biggie's like, hey, the reason I don't want you whispering into the warp is because there are chaos gods that want to influence you. poorly, then, you know, he would have known better.

But it's like he's just kind of whispering into the warp. He doesn't know any better. He assumes he's helping. And it's like, ah, you know. You're kind of like, you're kind of angry because on one hand, you're like, Magnus, stop taking the damn candy in the van. But on the other hand, like, big evening. The parents never warned you. Warned you about the van guy, right?

Parents, you don't take candy from strangers. Don't listen to whispers in the warp. It's not hard to understand. No, but if nobody tells you, you don't have this common sense. But with Magnus and the Thousand Suns, for me, it's always been like, yeah, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Like, his intentions were good. He was trying to help. But...

Yeah, but here we are. Here we are. I actually don't know, like, what's Magnus doing now that he's become a chaos primark? Like, because I don't actually know anything about like what. We'll talk about that. Oh, okay. So after he gets murdered by Russ, can you guess what guy in the van reached out and said, hey, if you don't want to die and your entire, all of your sons to be exterminated here and now,

how about you take my power maybe? I would assume maybe a little zinch, a little got a change, maybe reached out a weird looking tentacle and was like, hey, hey, buddy, grab on, hey, take a hold of my grippers, you know? Take a hold of my grippers, yeah? Oh, no. Thanks, D. I forgot this is 2024. I literally meant like the tentacle and how it has the suction, but I was like, oh, no, this is 2024. You can't just say.

take hold of my grippers without everybody losing their mind. Oh, I hate my life. From Taco Bell. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, grab that taco. Grab the taco. Eat that taco.

Yeah. Oh, boy. Which is ironic because Taco is Japanese for octopus. Do you really? Oh, but it's T-A-K-O. Right. Yeah, but you just taco, taco, taco, taco, taco, taco, taco, taco, taco. If you have an octopus taco, taco, taco, taco.

You're stupid. I hate you. This news flash everyone. Anyway, so... On we go. Zinche has... Magnus has taken a firm grip of those cheesy grippers, and what happens next? He gets entirely stolen and sucked into a warp-based world.

Basically, the most to all of the Thousand Suns still remaining are then yeated away into a sort of demon world. that was already prepared, and Magnus in his death was blown apart into a ton of shards, the shards of Magnus. Oh, so Magnus straight up gets... Spirit away in random areas. So he gets obliterated into shards that just get yeated all over the place? It was quite the backbreaker. Oh, wow. Sorry, Kisholns fans.

I genuinely didn't know that. I thought he was still kicking around. The Shards of Magnus are like, it's a weird thing. Because they don't really spend a lot of time on it. It was a bunch of shards out and about, and that basically meant that, like, while Magnus was there from its, like, a femoral form, he himself was not there. And so during this time, Aramon and Gang and Amon spent time going out

and trying to find the various shards of Magnus to restore their primark. Whoa, I had no idea. That's, do each of these shards have like a lot of like latent magic? Only reason I say that is because I immediately think of like Catan shards and how much power is in just a shard of it. Are these magna shards the same? Whereas like if you have one like, oh my God, my psycher power goes nuts. No, no, nothing to that extent. Caton shards are insane.

Sure, sure. But once they gather all of them, they can bring Magnus back. And so does he exist? He exists in ephemeral form. just not like physical or he's just gone gone. Imagine the shards of Magnus as like parts of his personality. They're his, they're like bits in him.

For example, Amon kind of found out a about like four to five shards. Armin found four shards, allowing him to kind of go back together. But then there were certain shards that were still missing. I think one of the shards was like his just kindness, his goodness and humanity and it was on terror still. And so I guess current. getting that one back.

Yeah. Man, if I was armed, it's like, you'll find the kindness one first because I don't want angry Magnus coming back right now. Well, unfortunately, that chart was left on Tara, so they weren't getting that any time soon. Yeah, yeah, you're not getting that one anytime soon. So are the Thousand Sun, is this like, are they dusty yet? Or have we not gotten to that part yet? We are not dusty yet.

Okay, so the Thousand Sun's still physical. will say. Okay, just making sure. I wasn't sure when that actually took place. No, no, we're not quite in dust mode yet. Okay. That's a big Arieman, oopsie. Yeah, that's Aramon having his own...

How do you say it? Slight mistake? Yeah, yeah, just like Dad. I was trying to help, Dad. Come on. So, I mean, at this point, like Magnus, is his own for, and he's aligned against the emperor, basically seeing it as vengeance for the emperor,

completely betraying him, not telling him anything good, didn't warn him about the guy in the van, all that kind of stuff. And for the most part, during the siege of Terra, Magnus and the Thousand Suns were all beneath. They were down in the dungeons,

dealing with, and also trying to find Magnus's lost shard. They find Malkador and says they, like, defeat slash kill Malkador, seemingly, of course he doesn't die. Of course. Wow, really? They kill him?

No, they seemingly kill him. Seemingly. But still, that's, that's freaking Malkador. That's a big deal. Malkador, I don't know if, I mean, Malkador is insane. They're going to be wrong, but I don't know if he can stand up to Magnus. He's Magnes. That's Primark and his son.

Yeah, I guess. He's also a bit Zinch juiced at this point. True. He is roided up on that Zinch Chaos juice. That's true. That does kind of even the scales or tip the scales in their favor. It's a bit It's a bit of, okay, I

see the word cope in this that shy posted, so I have to read it. Go for it. Well, that's the problem. Magnus believes that if he gets his virtuous shards, he will go back to how he was before his fall to chaos. But that shard got used up to create Janus, the first Grey Knight. Thing is, Magnus did bad thing before

he lost the shard, and he did nice things after he lost the shard. So the whole shard chased by Magnus kind of cope he is who he is shards or no shards and i i am for in one in full agreement i don't necessarily yeah once he took the the candy in the van deal after prospero he's his own guy and and and he's just having some fatalism yeah yep this definitely the shard chase sounds like a massive cope like he knows he effed up and he's looking for any like scapegoat like oh i only did it because you know once i get my shards back and oh that'll fix it and it's

like, no. Also, man, they used up one of Magnus's shards to create a gray night? Yeah, so that was part of the whole gray night thing to deal with, you know, like the strongest psychers. Janus was like the first gray night. And so you use that, that real power, that psychic mites to create, you know, the first gray night to go anti-chaos. Which is pretty crazy that it's like, oh yeah, by the way, this first greatest gray night, yeah, that was just one of my shards. It's like, whoa. I mean, I mean, Magnus only has like, it's only like 10. It's not that many. It's not like Caton Shards where it's thousands.

Right. Okay. But yeah, that's a big cope on Magnus's part. But Magnus then, after the whole Malcador situation, attempts to enter the imperial throne room and kill the emperor, but is unfortunately stopped by Vulcan at the time. And then Vulcan and him duel for, you know, back and forth. The emperor actually, while on the throne, opens his eyes and throws a vision to, you know, towards Magnus, a fancy vision where he's like, Magnus could be instead on the

Golden Throne, making the mankind incredible, cosmic knowledge, a perfect future. He would just need to spell the traitors from Terra, join the Emperor's side, and also he would need to

probably kill all of his sons again. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? Because wasn't Biggie making the Golden Throne specifically for, like, Magnus? Like, wasn't it supposed? to be Magnus who sat on that thing and protected Tara because he's like, he was the only son with enough psychic ability to actually do it besides Big E? I swear, D.K., sometimes you like, you just know lore that you just, I feel like you shouldn't

know. Like, it's like you forget just such obvious things. Then you pull that stuff out of your butt. And I'm like, how do you remember that part? I don't know. I feel like somebody, I don't know if you told me or Shy told me or if it was just one of those things I picked up when I was looking up Thousand Sun minis or something

and it's just that that part always stuck with me about Magnus is like brother that could be you on that throne and yeah well damn hey look at me I'm so smart this like the Thousand Suns episodes were the only ones where I was like hey maybe I can

pull out some you know because I know I know a little bit about him you know a little bit I know a little bit about him you know I'm I'll know why you're eating like that, but fair enough. Because I know it bothers you.

Hamid Vulcan fight during the Webway, in the Webway during the Siegatera. Vulcan gets his ass beat a bunch because this is currently super juiced Magnus, but Vulcan is Vulcan and, you know, continues to chill. Eventually Volk, because he's perpetual, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he respawns, blah, blah, blah. Usual stuff. We get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bad writing. Right. So before Vulcan could actually kill Magnus, because he's about to beat the hell out of him with the hammer. Magnus give himself to the powers of chaos fully. And then that's, at that point when Vulcan's about to just hammer blow the shit out of him is when Magnus is like, all right, full candy, full candy, take the candy. We are no longer going to the van.

We are driving the van. Yep. He reaches the Tootsie Roll Center of the Tootsie Pop. He takes that last lick. the giant aetheric form with the huge wings and he's how Magnus is seen nowadays Oh nice, it's what his mini looks like Yeah, it's what it was me

I mean I guess maybe missing pits of armor But you get the point Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah He's got the nipple horns now Oh my God, the nipple horns He's got the nipple horns man Grab on to my nipples right Yeah and that was after

Because this is after he lost the shard The virtuous shard And so he's also like well, if I'm not going to be me anymore, then I guess we're going full stop, because again, maybe a little bit of cope, but. Oh, so he,

he knows the virtuous shard is gone, and he's like, well, screw it. If I, if I can never get all of my shards back, well, what the hell? Sure, Zinch, take over. I mean, you know, I'm here because of you anyway. Might as well go full force. I guess that makes sense from Magnus's point of view.

Yeah. You might as well. It is weird, though, because Magnus does do a lot of nice, things. Shai posted this. During the siege of terror, there was like some fospex bombs that were blasting into some

observatories and he did shield some civilians from the fire, non-combatants. You know, I think it's like, I think it's like civilians. Yeah, just keeping them fine. It's it's weird because the guy is really, really nice, but then he makes a lot of

bad decisions that put him deeper into the grasp of chaos. And then, but then like, And then he tries to, and then, you know, because Zich plays that off of his niceness all the time. He constantly uses his good side to ruin him. It, you know, it sounds to me like one of Magnus's biggest problems is that he's just too goddamn naive. Like, he's so nice. He's like, oh, no, the, the whispers is here to help me.

It could never think to hurt me. I could never imagine that. Oh, I'm doing this for good. I'm doing this to help, Dad. Nothing bad. He's just so naive. Like, he is big brain, but he's just so naive and, like, everything he does. I think it's like, I mean, maybe. It's like this childlike naivete.

I want to call him childlike naivete. I feel like that may be... Maybe too far. It's maybe a bit too far. I think he puts too... Because he's not a bad person. Like, it is very clear. He cares too much.

And because he cares too much, he's manipulative. because of it. He's like... Definitely. God damn it. I figured it out. Magnus is the definition of nice guys finish last.

Yeah, I think that is better. Yeah, not naive. Naive wrong word. Definitely what you said. He cares too much almost. Yeah. I think he just tries too hard. Sure.

I would go with that. Not naive. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. It's genuinely just a level of, of... it's a level of like how much this, you know, I guess it's in a way,

it's how good Zinch is to manipulate people, how good he is at this kind of stuff. Well, I mean, that's the chaos gods, right? Like, they can manipulate even the best of you.

Like, you know, I hate to use the corny ass, edgy Batman quote, but just a little push. Madness is like gravity. All you need is a little push. But he was pushed like nine times.

It was the first, First it was the eye, then it was the breaching the wall, and then it was Russ, and now it's the shard Vulcan fight. It's just one step, one step, one step. Yep, one little push, push, push, and you get closer and closer to the edge until, wow, we're free falling, and there's no rope to grab. There's no foothold to grab. You are just, because I'm free, free falling, you know. Sure, man. Why not?

It's an old song. I know that one. Come on. Look, I'm just saying, man. It's an old song. Free falling, you bastard. Okay. Hey.

Even despite all of this, you know, even despite all of this and Magnus fully transcending, him and Vulcan, you know, fight a bunch. And eventually, I think Vulcan dies. Eventually says it comes to his wounds, but he's Vulcan. He responds. Before that, Vulcan just absolutely. smashed off Magnus's entire head with his hammer and banished him back to the warp

because it's not actually dead. Oh, right, sure. Yeah, he just goes back to the warp and oh, damn it. I got to watch my head next time. And then because he's gone during this part of the heresy, you know, the rest of the heresy plays out as we know. Emperor goes on the throne, etc. And then post-heresy is when we get the other parts. Ah. Shai, do we want to talk about the rubric of Aramon maybe in the Thousand Sun's episode?

I think it's a bit more relating to their stuff. I was going to say, now that I think about it, all that stuff probably should be in the Thousand Sun's episode because, you know, this is the Magnus episode. And we've kind of covered the main points of Magnus, right? So, you know. The main, yeah, because like the rubric of Aramon is basically how we can transition

to talking about the Thousand. and sons themselves and what the Rubik Marines are. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Because it's, uh, I gotta be honest, it's pretty nightmarish. Yeah. Being a Rubik Marine seems like it sucks. Yeah.

Yeah. Not the vacuum. Is that a stray gust of wind? It's like, we joke, I joke about that like with you, but like, my God, dude, being a Rubik Marine seems like it seems like it's genuinely hard. Yeah. But hey, you don't have to worry about. turning into a tentacle monster, I guess.

I guess. One horror for another, I guess. I guess. Yay, I suppose. Hooray, you're immortal, sort of. Magnus is weird, dude. He's a strange guy. He clearly gave a huge amount of care to his sons.

He is, and he's such like an opposite of this. the of the general chaos primark backstory. His world was amazing. Yep. Gorgeous and incredibly well-functioning. No trauma. No trauma. Yeah.

No, no abusive father. No living his life, eating rats and stuff. Yeah. It wasn't a death world. It wasn't a crime world that was enveloped in darkness and murder and No gladiator pits. No, yeah, no, no, no spikes. No, you know, no traitors.

No. no daddy issues. No, it was all of a goddamn paradise. It was all good until, you know, that whole, here, take my eye. And I mean, honestly, from a philosophical point of view,

also pretty incredible. Magnus, like, he wanted to maintaining the culture of those you extinguish is like, you're still murdering them, don't get me wrong, but at least it's got some level of nobility to keep the knowledge. You're keeping a

part of them alive. They haven't, you haven't completely extincted them, uh, for the, the, the imperial truth, as it were. Right. There's, there's a little honor and nobility in that in, in, in, at least with, you know, withholding their knowledge. Like a little bit, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You still wiped out a civilization, but, you know, and, you kept a little spark of them alive. And, like, there's a certain extent of where, like, psychers in humanity are meant to evolve in this way, possibly, and knowledge of this is good, and then Biggie didn't warn him about the candy van. And God damn him, you know.

There's plenty of blame to go around for sure. Like, God damn him. Why did he have to be this way? Yeah, why is Biggie such a bad dad? Well, Biggie's a bad dad because he doesn't see himself as a dad. No, I mean, so. Yeah. At least that's what they said in Master of Mankind.

He's like, well, I let him call me dad because whatever, I guess they can do. that, but I don't see them as my sons. And it's like, oh, that's why he's a bad dad, because he doesn't see them as his sons at all. That's why he's the way that he is. Yeah. That was one of the better parts in Master of Mankind, where it was like,

wow, Big E's mindset is. Oof. Yeah. I don't know. It's bizarre. Magnus, there is no Magnus did nothing wrong. There is plenty of Magnus did

not do anything, um, like maliciously? Yeah, he never acted out of malice or like, I, would you say act out, he wouldn't act out of greed or malice. He was, the road to hell is paved with good intent. He had the best of intentions. The, he really wanted to help. He just didn't have all the facts. It was, it was that, uh, I remember back in the day when I went to the, uh, when I did like fire tech, like early high school ROP firefighting, like to get started it, to get started into it, like, you know, that whole thing. Um, there was a constant statement of like, being a hero is not real. You know, you think about people like, run into the fire, like, run into the burning building to save the whatever. And, you know, like, you only ever hear about that,

what it works. And 90% of the time, you just die. Like, you just, you just inhale smoke, fumes and you just actually die immediately. And it's like, what, well, you only hear about the, the 5% that actually make it out, whereas like there's 95% that like, you know, they get injured, the building collapses or yeah. Yeah. And if you do it, you're like, you're an idiot. That's the whole idea is you do it. You do it.

You're an idiot. But, you know, Magnus is out here running into a burning building. And in this case, it's the emperor's Webray project, doing everything he possibly can to make humanity good and to save his son's lives. And he's running into a burning building over and over again. and inside the burning building, it's a terrifying demonic entity with a handful of candy.

Yep. Here we are. Like you said, he cares too much. Like, even if the building's burning, I gotta save my kids, you know?

Yeah, and this is what's turned, this is how it's turned out. Yeah, it didn't turn out so good. It did not turn out very well at all. Quite the opposite. Yeah.

Well, Magnus nowadays is, uh, revived and out and about. He is currently out mainly constantly attacking Fenris. It's like these are like three times. That makes sense.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sure. If I'm not mistaken, either Bjorn or someone else like body checks him over a canyon, which is really funny. He took over the ruins of Prospero as well. He fought,

he fought Giliman when he was revived, battled each other. some good, they had some good banter back there. Gilliman was like, all I see are a bunch of like propagandized, crazed creations serving a false god. And then Magnus looked around and he's like, yeah?

Oh, really? Please tell me about the Imperium and how, yeah, oh, Jesus, propagandized. Oh, yeah, certainly couldn't be the current Imperium worshipping Biggie as a god. Pop me kettle there, big Bobby G. Just a little bit. Oh, do you hear that phone ringing? It's for you. It's the kettle.

It says you're black. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, yeah, there's a little bit of that good stuff. I do, yeah, I do find that one of his, I mean, he made friends with a few people. Jagatai, he was actually really close with. He was close with Lorgar as well. That makes sense, actually.

I find that he was bros with Pertharabo, pretty, hilarious. That seems weird. I think it's because I think it's because he managed to a nice guy and so he gave Perterabo like praise for what he did. And God knows that he needed it.

He was like one of the few people that praise Per Trabu and Per Trabbo's like Besties, you love me. Also they were they were both they were both you know like what's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, yeah nerds. They were giant nerds.

Purdy loved learning as well, science and architecture and stuff, and Magnus was the magic guy. Okay. I mean, Per Trobo clearly had a praise kink. Yeah, yeah, he probably did. At least he needed one. He wanted a praise, like he desperately needed it, and Magnus was like, um, nice, nice job, guy, good, good stuff. And he's like, you know, orgasms. He's just, well, you know, he's like, oh, I guess I should.

compliment him and Percharabo in that moment of getting complimented, just orgasms all over the place and now we're best friends. This is, yeah, he fires his iron cannon. This is, I forgot about this quote. It's so funny. Right. As Magnus saw movement in the light, a vast being of burnished steel and fury, a titan and iron and yellow and black, he knew him but could not name him.

He fell but did not hit the ground. I have you, brother, said Perchirabo. No harm shall come to you, nor your magnificent hair. Such a weird moment of Petrovna. Jesus. All right. I mean, to be fair, Magnus does have great hair. He's not wrong.

Magnus does have great hair. That is true. You're not wrong. Yeah, he probably uses a mane and tail on that thing, you know? It's, it's, you know, I actually find, I find the thousand sun, like, I actually don't find Magnus to be the particularly as interesting part. I mean, granted, I am a little bit newer to Magnus, as I mentioned earlier. Like, I genuinely find the Thousand Sons a bit more fascinating than Magnus himself.

Yeah, I can see that. The whole Rhehrman and the Rubik Marines, I actually really find pretty fascinating. Yeah, I mean, after the heresy, it's pretty much all Thousand Sons, right? So, fair enough. Magnus is out and about obviously doing his thing. Yeah. Magnus now is a spiteful asshole. He's just, he's like, the emperor betrayed me.

The emperor was a shit dad. I'm here to burn the Imperium. And, you know, out of all, out of all the prime arcs out there, I think he's got a fair enough reason for it. Yeah, I feel like his spite is justified a little bit. I feel like he's justified in, you know, wanting to burn Tara and, you know, fuck you, biggie. justified justified it's uh it's good stuff it's it's it's good stuff and you know what if anything i'm just happy that this lore is so much different than the average chaos space a chaos traitor lore yeah it definitely it definitely is a 180 from the usual oh i grew up on a death world oh this

horrible thing happened to me it's just like he had everything he had everything right he had everything good. His world was a paradise. His sons loved him. He loved his sons. And he still managed to, like, mess up and get turned to chaos. It is. It is how it is. It is what it is.

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I, thank you for a Miami shy. I should mention that. Yeah, he attacked the Fang, Space Wolf's Fortress, and specifically stopped a wolf priest from finding a cure for the wolfen. He killed the priest. destroyed the lab, and he cared more about stopping them from finding a goal to spite them, as opposed to killing the actual... You know, I can see it, though. He's like, if I have the flesh, I struggle with the flesh change.

Now you guys get to struggle with it. Yep, yep, yep, yep. If you won't let me cure this, you don't get to be cured. Yeah. Yep. That, yeah, a little petty, but, you know, I kind of get why he feels so petty against, you know, Space wolves. So, yeah.

Oh, well. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Magnus. You tried. You tried. He certainly tried. He definitely tried.

You can't. Not for lack of effort, at least. I guess. Sure. All right, kids. The lesson of today's episode, say it with me. Don't take candy from the van. It doesn't matter.

Sure. It doesn't matter how nice the stranger is or how bad it is or if the candy is for your brother that has cancer, don't take the candy from the van. And definitely don't give your right eye in exchange for the candy. Yeah, definitely don't do that. Don't give up your right eye for the candy. All right, congratulations, everything. Congratulations, everyone.

Magnus, you fucked up. Goodbye.