Adeptus Ridiculous - ROGAL DORN: DISCIPLINE. DUTY. WILL. | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

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Yeah. All right, D.K. Today's a day. Yeah, today's a day. Today's a day. Today is, in fact, a day. It is, in fact, April the 11th. You know what that means.

We're doing an episode of Adeptus ridiculous. You're goddamn right. Let's go. I'm so shocked. You got it like that. I'm so proud of you. Yeah. Remember back in the day when I was the dumb one? Oh no, you still are. Exactly.

So, here's a quote for you to start this one off. You know, we're going to get right into it. We're going to penetrate this like a bowling ball does a bowling pin. Oh, boy. All right. All right. Do not look to us for kindness. Do not look to us for hope. We are not the kind children of this new age.

We are the rocks of its foundation. If you wish hope, then look to what we make. If you wish kindness, then look to those who will come after us. Oh, boy. These sound like very not nice people. You may not have gone the point of the quote. Well, I mean, they, They sound like they're very strict.

Like, they, they, they sound kind of, they sound kind of Imperium to me. Okay. The Imperium are, in fact, not nice. No. No, they're not nice. I, I would have to guess it's, it's, it's, it's some kind of space marine faction. Okay. The foundation, it sounds like they're, like, building things.

I, I, I, I don't know. Maybe. Who does Dorn lead again? He leads the Imperial Fists. Are we doing an Imperial Fist episode? Are you saying that just because we talked up Black Templars in the last episode? Partially, yes, but also, like, they sound like they're all about building, all about following, you know, very strict rules and shit like that. And, you know, that sounds like a Dorn Fist thing.

Your logic is strange, however you are correct. Let's go, baby. It's finally time. And I have very bad news for you, D.K. Uh-huh. He can read. No. Yeah.

I was shocked. Shocked. Look, I don't care what you say. He can't read. I was, I did my research. I think he can read. I don't think you did your proper due diligence if you're telling me he can read. But.

But he read. And the episode. And right here, that's it. Thanks for coming, everyone. All right. Thanks, everyone. You now know all about Dorn. You know that he can, in fact, read.

No, no, that's fake news, dude. That's fucking fake news. Oh, the outro, shy. Yep. Toss it up. So tell me more about literate Dorn. Yes, we're talking about Dorn. And yes, the reason we're doing it this time is because we haven't done a Marine Legion in forever

because it takes so much goddamn research to do. and because we've covered most of the Marine legions that I know about already. And so I'm kind of flying blinds for some of these. So I got to do a lot of fucking research. And we did talk about the Black Templars a little bit in the last episode. So I think it was about time that we talked about the guy. You know nothing about yet you seem to like because you think his armor is cool. His armor is cool.

You cannot deny that he has some boss level drip. He does. He is literally a giant. gold eagle with a chainsaw sword the size of a human man. Yeah, he's, he's like, his armor is like the embodiment of like the Imperium logo, like that big gold Aquila, right? That's him. That's him.

Pretty much. See, that's the funny thing about Dorm and the Imperial Fist. Like, if you had, if you took every Space Marine Legion and you wanted to describe them in one word, you probably could. like ultramarines are balanced white scars are speed salamanders is fired

night lords is fear uh... rural leaders is hate you know that kind of stuff you know there's always like one word for it if you had to do Dorn and the imperial fists

it would probably be duty you said duty sorry I couldn't help it end the episode shy for the outro again and end it again Duty is arguably the best one I could think of I look at like the Ultramarines as the Jack of All Trains

As Starty's kind of group I look at the Imperial Fists a lot like The ones that fully embody what it means to be a space marine Like What's the main gun that a space marine carries? I want to make sure I say this right It's the bolter. That's the bolter, right.

The bolter. Now, the ultramarines, they like their bolter, but they're also very, they know, like a jack of all trades. They can do lots of stuff. The Imperial Fists really fucking like bolters. They love their bolters. They love their bolters, their bolt rifles, they're heavy bolters, they're like storm bolters, like in-game even. They have a bunch of buffs for when they use bolters. It's just sick gun, to be fair.

I can't say I blame them for being all in on the boulder. Yeah, well, it's like the idea that the Imperial Fists take the concept of being a space marine and turn that shit to 11. So, Dorn, Rogal Dorn. Rogel Dorn is the primark of the 7th Legion, the one found right before our sad man, Conrad. And, of course, the Imperial, fists the yellow and I believe black trim

I'm going to us I think it's black trim sure yeah yeah yellow black trim their symbol it is literally a giant fucking hand fist and they at Rogel Doron their prime arc is also known as the vigilant the Praetorian of Terra

the unyielding one all these kinds of like I am a big brick of a human being names Dorn is also the one that built the emperor's palace? Yes. We'll get to that a little later when we talk

about him in Perchirabo. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was born on a planet known as nitwit named after you. Wow. Okay. I see how it is. I was going to say he's a nitwit because he can't read, you know, but fine. Take a burn at me. I'll, fine.

I'll take it on the chin. I don't give you fuck. If you took it on the royal Doran's chin, he would reflect back at you. Oh, yeah, he's got a. He's got a chisel jaw of steel. Actually, the planet's name is Inuit, but I couldn't help myself. Okay, gotcha.

So he's born on a planet called Inuit, and it was a cold-ass ice planet. It was a tidily locked. You know what tidily locked means, right? Titly locked? Yeah, it's a tidal-locked planet. Sure. The planet doesn't spin.

Oh. Or if it does, like, it spins at the same rate that it rotates the star. So one side is always day time, like one side is always nighttime and it ever changes. Oh, wow, that sounds annoying. Yeah, there's a couple of planets like that in the universe.

And so for this one, and the sun that they were orbiting is this faded super old sun. So on one side, you have faded sunlight. On the other side, you have perpetual darkness. You've got frozen mountains, these mass like crevices that are just made these frozen dunes and mazes. and beasts stalk the entire wilderness. Of course. There is almost no value of this planet whatsoever. There are no resources.

The seas are all buried and lifeless, and the native fauna murders people. Oh, that's unfortunate. The only real power that this planet has is its people, who are barbaric, but not unsophisticated. With time, with Rogel dorm being there for a while, like there were leftover orbital platforms and areas in this solar system that was here. You know, they're not just straight up nomadic con level stuff where they were kind of like the warring tribes and they were intense in swords. Like they were, they had tech.

Okay. They had stuff. And the people mainly taught the concept that endurance is survival. Right, the price of weakness is death. Weakness is death for both you and for your fellow kin. Okay, okay, okay. So they're pretty strong, they're pretty resilient, they're pretty reliable. I mean, I guess living on a planet like that, you kind of have to be.

Yeah, and you need to be, you need to be tough, but you need to be unbreakable. That's kind of the thing, because if you break, not only do you die, but you're everyone, all your friends die, your clan dies. So the Inuit people eventually did move to the stars And they had like ice hives and they had starships and they had orbital weapon platforms and all that stuff But even so it never got any easier for the warlords and matriarchs like the top level people lived the same as the lower level people in the sense of like how tough their lives were Okay so you didn't get any sort of relief just because you were ranked higher than someone life still sucks just as much. I'm sure there would maybe like a little bit, but yeah, you still had to live hard.

Right. So is there, is there much of a like, so there's not much of a class discrepancy, like a, like a high lord or something, isn't going to like, you know, look down on like a civilian or a low guard because everybody's life is equally. I mean, there is like clan leaders and higher level people, but they still, do labor, you know, they still like, they're not just behind a big, fluffy desk. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Everyone, everyone lives a hard, rough life because you need to live a hard, rough life in order to live in general. Right. Everybody chips in.

Everyone, everyone has a part to play. So, Dorn, unfortunately, has a con syndrome where they, not much is known about his growing up. you don't know much you know that he like no the con lived on chagoras he had these planes and this and that but that's about it um you know horace we don't know jack's shit about him of all people yeah so dorin's similar i'm assuming this is another case of look it doesn't really matter how they grew up what matters is what they did after they became a primark after you know like them growing was like oh yeah they had a normal childhood they did the normal imperium thing uh yeah yeah They, whatever.

That doesn't matter. What matters is what Rogel Dorn is about to do when he becomes like a primark or when he's found as a primark, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who cares how he grew up? Agreed. And it's a little bit interesting to understand Dorn as a character and what he stands for. So yeah, it is mainly like the con where it's about the after stuff. So he was raised on this planet. Little of him is known or talked about.

He was a young man named Rogel and he was adopted by the House of Dorn. Simple. Lord of Dorn, yeah, makes sense. The clan's patriarch was his adoptive grandfather. And even after his grandfather was long dead, he kept a fur-edged robe that his grandfather had and he slept with it every night. Oh, he had a little blankie. He, Rogaldorn actually had a blankie that his grandfather had.

Isn't that sweet? It's kind of, it's kind of funny. but to me reading about Dorn now but like yeah he had a Blinky I think he might still have it he probably does

he like keeps in like a special lockbox and he's like he wouldn't see it he's like yeah he's like my Blinky so 40 years after his grandfather had eventually passed

the emperor then arrived and this was a huge boon for Biggie because not only did he regain his seventh prime mark Rogel but he regained a major star-spanning human society. Oh, yeah. Are they space-faring at this point?

Yes. Okay, so that's got to be huge for the Imperium and for the Emperor to get a space-faring group of people and one of your primarks. That's got to be the big time. I mean, I don't think it was as crazy

as when he rolled up to Gilman and Gilliman had like half the system or whatever the hell he had. He had Ultramar and this giant just doing all his taxes and crap. man, it's April. It's tax season. Yeah, prepare to lose all your money.

Oh, fuck. Yeah, I already took care of all that shit, so I'm good, but it hurt. It hurts. It hurt. But anyway, so, yeah, he regained both, and he arrived with something known as the phalanx. And let me, let me show you the phalanx, because the phalanx is a thing. Is it like the, the Greeks did the phalanx, right, where everybody locks their shields. together so there's no weaknesses.

That's what the phalanx, the move was. This failings is a ship. Whoa! Oh yeah, I think I've seen this before. It doesn't get any less impressive, though, but good god, it's like a floating cathedral. It is, I believe, the largest imperial ship

ever. Damn. That, well, that might just be perspective, but that dwarfs that star. It dwarfs that. sun. Oh yeah, it doesn't necessarily dwarf the star of the sun. And actual, yeah, that's just perspective. Perspective, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, uh, fucking massive though. Holy shit. I, I can't find a, I gotta find like a scale of this thing because I'm pretty positive. It is the largest ship out there and it is bigger than anything else that they've made. Um, I think it's even bigger than like the Blackstone fortress that Abadon has. Whoa, the ones that he just sort of, yeah, Yeats at the fall of

Kadia? Exactly. I think it's larger or like at least a similar size. God damn. Yeah,

it's fucking enormous. What are those classified as super fortresses or something? I don't even know if it has a particular name. It's just known as the phalanx.

All right. And then basically the emperor arrived with the failings and that became the main source of everything thing Dorn did.

Because, like, despite him having Inuit and all this as, like, a home planet, he doesn't run his legion from his home planet. He is a, the Imperial Fissar are a nomadic legion, and they run all of their shit from the phalanx. Oh, so it was, so Dorn didn't actually build this thing. The emperor brought it? The emperor brought it. Oh, I was always under the impression that Dorn built it because Dorn is such a, you know, he loves building shit.

So I kind of figured that, you know, who else would build such a gigantic fucking eyesore? Then, I shouldn't say eyesore. It's a cool fucking ship. Then Dorn. Who else would build? Well, maybe Perciarabo, but he's too busy being Engi. I believe it is, it was built by, it was unknown who built it. I believe it was during the Dark Age of Tech.

That would make sense, yeah. It's a flying hybe city. Yeah. Like, it is, yeah, it is insane. I think it gets close to the size of the Eldar Craft Worlds. which, you know, are like moving continents. Yeah, they're floating cities, floating worlds. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

They're nuts. So when the Biggie arrived, like Dorn didn't really take any time to wait. He was fiercely loyal. He pledged himself to Biggie immediately. And he never once sought his favor. Never. No, Dorn is an interesting guy. He embodies the human quest for truth.

And Dorn, I don't believe, has ever lied. And I mean, ever. I mean, that makes sense. I mean, if Dorn and the Imperial Fist are all about duty, honor, serving the emperor, then yeah. I would imagine their prime mark would be a bit of a boy scout, try to never lie, try to always do right by the Imperium and by the emperor, you know, not do it for personal gain or personal favor. but because it is the right thing to do. But like, he never lied. So, so he's like, hey, Rogel, this is dress make me look fat?

Yes. Oh. Like, what do you think, uh, hey, hey, hey, Rogel Doran, do you think your fortress could hold back Perchrabbo's warriors with ease? Oh, so he is truthful to a fault. He, he is, he is a brick. He is sometimes, now he's got charisma, but normally the charisma that he has, it comes in the form of speaking to his sons and the work with him. And he's very much like he's not, if he never lies, who do you think is the person he hates the most?

If he never lies, who does he hate the most? Yes. Or who would you imagine he's the most at odds with besides Per Trambo? I don't know, literally anyone. Oh, come on, D.K. Use that big noggin of yours. Maybe I would assume he never lies. I would assume he and Conrad don't get along well.

Brough. What, what, what, what, what, what? Who does he not get along with if he doesn't lie? I don't know. Lies. Lies. Well, I don't know. Just tell me.

Alfarious. Oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Oh, and the episode, shy. In the episodes. Time, put the thing down. That's true. I don't know how I forgot all about... Forget about the Alphalism?

How did I forget it? They're so good at what they do. I forgot about them. All right, there you go. There's your reason. There's your reason. That's my out. That's a good out. That's a good out.

Oh, that's right, because Dorn, we talked about this in the Alphal Legion episode. He kills Alferius, maybe. Or Omagon. He kills one of them. He kills one of them. We don't know which one really, but he, he,

he, he, he fucks up one of them. Yeah, he fucks up one of them. But, yeah, so besides the proterabal thing,

yeah, him and Alfarious do not get along. But so that's the thing, like, Dorn as a person, is, is quiet. He's reserved.

He's calculating. He's, he's very, like, the duty of the emperor must be done, my sons. We will,

we will lead a legion of power, but we will not, blah blah blah blah but he's not above anger and it's it's like when you had that person who's always been the calm calculated family member and then he actually yells and you're like oh my god shit is real bad at this point and and he's it's so much scarier because of that yeah i was gonna say just because you're stoic and calm and you never lied that does not necessarily put you above getting pissed. And he has gotten pissed too.

He's actually gotten like sad and stuff. He just doesn't try to show it. He tries to keep himself very down in emotions. We'll talk about that a little bit more later. But for his sons, he basically went to all the Imperial Fits and demanded everything from his sons that he could do. He is like,

do it like, I expect you to be as good as me. The only person he didn't was a guy, Legion Master Matthias, who he went to, and just didn't say anything. Then he saw them all in battle, and he said, you have much to learn and more to do, except for the Matthias guy who was like, thank you. That's all he said,

and then he named him high castellan of the Inuit system to replenish their losses and recruit more legionaries, and then he just left. So this Matthias guy, he's like, I like you. Goodbye. I was going to say, so Matthias must be pretty skilled at like everything he does because Dorn isn't a liar

so he's not gonna hold anything back and he doesn't lie to anyone so if he saw a fault in you he would tell you like immediately and if he doesn't yeah and if he doesn't say anything to this guy then it's like damn dude that's the

concept it's like if you do really well he'll just look at you and like nod and that is the same thing as a glowing recommendation yeah you know because he's always so stern he's always so but you know just a simple like, you've done well, is like the greatest thing you could possibly hear from him. Because that's the way he be.

So for the rest of his Legion, he's like that, he's that dad who's very hard to impress. And you can never impress because he expects way too much of you. Yeah, I'd say so. Except he's a little bit less violent about it. Ah, good, good, good, good. Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. Okay.

Because that's like a lot of the fucking primarks. but other ones like Angron, for example, don't take it in stride. What? Angron doesn't take failure in stride? Please tell me more. All right, GW Marketing Team. We need to have a name for the angry guy. We can't just call him angry, can we?

No, that's two on the nose. Yeah, that's two on. On the nose. Angron. Oh, my God. Ship it. Ship it. Multi-billion dollar.

boys. So as they were out in the, this is a Great Crusade time, right? For another 160 years or whatever the time frame is, he's going around doing the usual Great Crusade stuff. Dorn in particular, and the Fists, didn't enjoy

massive, like, conquering and holding of the areas they took. Okay. Dorn didn't particularly enjoy taking too many recruits from the worlds they liberate him

because he specifically said, I want recruits, not vassals. He didn't like the political responsibilities of governing. He wanted to be a military unit. He will go and fight and liberate

all that, but the afterwards, the politics, the holding, the recreation of the state or whatever, leave that shit to Gileman. Okay. All right. So he's like a soldier. He's a

military. I mean, you see his face, you know, like, Dorn, yeah. Yeah, he's not politicking. He's not governing. He's just like, okay, we conquered this place. Let's move on. I got shit to do. I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to, you know, tear off this place. It's time for us to go. Let's fucking move. I mean, Dorn is literally, like, like, when you look at the Imperial Fist,

you think of them like standard American military, buzz cut, you know, the chiseled jawline, like military men. Right, right. That's kind of the fantasy that goes along with this group, particularly is just like strong, hard, chiseled military. Okay. So after that, after, you know, Great Crusade, all this stuff kind of happening. This is when Dorn was eventually chosen by the emperor as the person to help create the imperial palace. To help build the imperial palace thanks to its incredible ability for defense and fortification.

That's the joke that we always see in our stupid fucking chats. It's spamming right now, dude. It totally is. Siege fortify. Siege fortify. It'll be that way until the end of the episode. Sorry to anybody, any, anybody that just popped in. This isn't live also just because that's another pretty common thing.

But, yeah. Who in the world thinks that shy can put those images up live? Like, I don't. I mean, man, if she could, we do not pay her enough. No, absolutely not. She's way too quick at this. Wow, so funny, so quick, so fast. But the damn, the damn, I always thought that's kind of funny, though,

because it's always siege, fortify, siege, fortify, and the fortify is the imperial fists. But the Iron Warriors are pretty good at that, too. I always thought, think the Iron Warriors and the Imperial Fists don't feel like Yinn and Yang. They feel like the same, except just their upbringing and how they're treated is vastly different. because, okay, so,

Dorn was the one to build the Imperial Palace. Dorn was the one who got that job. And this set Perchirabo in a fucking fit. Yeah, poor Purdy. Purdy, I mean, we talked about Purdy's growing up. Not great. No. And this, Perchirabble, like, flew in this huge rage.

And he's like, the Imperial Palace wouldn't even be proof, or wouldn't even be foolproof against my iron warriors, my mighty siege masters. And he just, just like, went on a keyboard and just started typing all the slurs you could possibly type on Dorn. And like full, full on, he was calling him every possible thing. He was doing gamer words. Damn. He hit it with that bottom key smash.

He'd slapped it. And Dorn, like, heard this, or, like, heard about this outbursts and all this stuff. And he just kind of sat there, like, okay. Seathing? Seathing. Like, he is, Dorn is as brooding and seething often as per trough, but he's quieter about it.

Ah, he doesn't just let himself fly off the handle. He kind of broods and holds it in and keeps it to himself. He has like the, what's that picture of like Tim Roth where it's like face of disgust raising of one cheek eyebrow or whatever? Tim Roth? Yeah, remember what I mean? I feel like I should.

know who that is, but I don't immediately... I don't immediately know who Tim Roth is. Am I too much of a boomer for... This is Tim Roth right here. Disgust. Nose wrinkled, upper lip raised. Okay, okay. Anyway, the point being is that, you know,

Percharabo goes off the fucking handle because he's mentally damaged, and his mental illness is making lots of problems. Dorn is very resolved, smart and calm, but he is not above getting angry and he's not above brooding. The two of them are very, are shockingly similar, but opposites, or not opposites, it's the opposite to attract sometimes, but like, what happens when you put the same magnetic pole on each other?

You know, they repel. They, boh, yeah. Like, percherabo is a brooding, seething, coping, like, a guy who, wants to build stuff and he's really hateful. Dorm is a quiet, brooding, seething sometimes kind of person, but he

had one, a better child of him, and two, was given significantly better tasks. Because Per Trambo was like, hey, go fight the Harad forever. Oh, that's right. He had to fight the Harad, didn't he? Oh, God, those nightmare fucking they bend

time, right? Yeah, the time once. Yeah, oh, boy, that's unfortunate. for him. So they're very similar, but Dorn takes it in stride. Dorn's able to kind of... He's like the favorite. Out of the two, anyway. Well, yeah, so, yeah, somewhat. For Trambo has his problems. But he's able to like, he still gets pissed off and stuff, but it's, this is the most important thing I need to hammer, hammer, hammer. About Dorn. Like, people often ask, why do people like Dorn so much? Why Dorn? You know, he seems, generally generic as a prime mark.

Maybe not Gilliman generic, but you know, he seems generally really just military ma'am. And it's because Dorn doesn't take no for an answer. He refuses not to get shit done.

When the emperor calls him on to do something, he says, yes, sir. And he fucking does it. Is it a pain in the ass? Sure. But complaining about it doesn't help. So he doesn't. Oh, okay Like build this thing, Dorn, okay

And he builds the thing Is that one of the main reasons That the emperor prefers Dorn over Pertarabo Because Perchrabbo is probably going to complain Mown, whining bitch about something he doesn't want to do Whereas Dorn is just going to do it I don't think Petrable would ever moaned wine and bitch The Emperor himself

Well, no, but you know I don't actually know I don't really know of a whole lot of exchanges between Perchirabo and the biggie. Okay. But I know like it's generally just the reason he's so liked is because he is the embodiment of

I'll get it done. It's like, no matter the cost. No matter the cost. Yeah. Like I'll get it done and I'll get it done right. I will not cut a single corner no matter how difficult it is. Like I, if you don't do things right, don't

fucking do them. That's Dorn. That's it. It is pretty easy to like someone like that that just always just get shit done. Although, I could also see the Dorn fan base being very polarizing because some people really don't like that super ultra boy scout, like that super ultra good guy that I always get things done and I always do things right. Drink your milk, eat your vitamins and say you're, like, I could see a lot of people

just being annoyed at how much of a goody two shoes Dorn comes off as. I actually don't think he's a goody two shoes No I think that's a more Gilliman thingy Doorn Dorn is like Because he's not a very complimentary person It's like do it right

It's like sir what if we did this Like no Don't back talk me Do what I said He's like like Do it the right way Or don't fucking do it at all And it's also the fact that

Dorn genuinely believes in his cause Per Trambo despite all of his shenanigans and his fucking smug aura it feels like he wants to do it a little bit because I don't know he wants to prove something I guess

it's hard I always felt like Perthrabo wanted to be seen he wanted someone to give him a pat on the back and say damn Purdy good job good job dude after all Perthrabo's been through I could see him wanting to just be recognized and just have someone pat him on the back and be like, hey man, good job.

Someone didn't. His name was Horace. I mean, yeah, true, but I think he was hoping for more like, you know, he was open for Biggie's recognition or the Imperium's recognition and not traitor legions. What, uh, what Rogel Dorn got was recognition and a lot of it. He was the one chosen to build the imperial palace. He was the one with like Horace and Horace literally said If I ever laid an insult to a bashing possessed by you

Then the war would last for all eternity The best of attack matched in the best of defense Wow that's that's pretty high praise coming from Horace I mean Yeah because Horace was the king of the assault And so it was like he would like we would be stuck in eternity Because I'm the best of my job and you're the best of your job We would never get anywhere So when Horace became

the war master, Dorn didn't really care. He was like, good choice. Excellent. Very happy with this. Yeah, I'm sure he was. I mean, he's not going to be jealous. And, you know, he probably thinks that Horace is the best person for that job. So, yeah, I don't see Dorn having any problem with that.

And him just sort of, yeah, business as usual. Dorn, Dorn is happy. Dorn believes in everything he does. That's also part of it. Like, when the Epirium was crumbling after the heresy and stuff, Dorn was still building. he was like, I'm going to make the Imperium we were striving to make. Like, I am going to do what Father wanted to do.

Like, I legitimately truly believe in our cause. And I will do whatever I can to build it. And like, while everything is crumbling around him, he's still there with his little hammer and his little blueprints. And he's still trying. He's got his widow hard hat on. He's got a gold hard hat. He's got his blankie from his grandfather. He's got his blanky.

And he's just sort of. sitting there, you know, putting cement on bricks. There's going to be a lot of text-to-speech memes about Rogel, Dorn, I'm positive in this episode. Oh, yeah, yeah, probably. Also, by the by, I still haven't watched a single episode of TTS that Bricky and Shai haven't forced me to watch. I say forced, but, you know.

Yeah, the Kivis-Kain one, basically. Yeah. No, it's, Dorn is actually a very common character. His name is Lord Adornable, because he's in this funny little outfit. And he's just a total brick. It's like Dorn, where were you all this time? I was gone. Like where?

I was gone. Away. And he's just like, what the fuck? Just being truthful, guys. Just being truthful. Yeah, he doesn't lie and he doesn't understand metaphor and that kind of shit. He's like Dax. He's basically like Dax at times.

I mean, obviously in the lore he's not. He's much. Yeah, in TTS, he's like Dax. Oh, I didn't even mention this. So, well, first things first, Dorn, and he took his fist legion, you went to Terra, take up garrison duty at the end of the Great Crusade, start building the palace to that whole thing, become the main garrison. But for this episode, I started reading up on the book, the Horace heresy book, Praetorian of Dorn, which basically is the events of Dorn versus the Alpha Legion. I got about halfway because it's a 14-hour book, and I wasn't able to finish it for one week. Holy shit.

It's very long. But Dorn as a character, very much stoic, hard, but when he speaks with people, he gives a shit. He, like, with his own sons, like, he may be hard on them, but he genuinely wants to make sure things work out well. Right, right. Hard but fair. Hard but fair.

Maybe sometimes a little unfair. He's a hard to ask, but I won't lie. The beginning of the book, maybe just like the Alpha Legion more, because they were doing some fuckery and it was very cool. Read it for Dorn, stayed for the Alpha Legion. It was fun.

I didn't get a chance to finish it though, but it's all right. I got what I needed, which is more personality-based stuff. Yeah. But after he went back to Tara, the Horace heresy had begun. The assault on Isvan 3, or 3, 5,

whichever the one, the drop site massacre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eventually, there's a major book, arguably one of the best Horacee books, apparently, called Flight of the Einstein. And if you'll remember,

this is when the famed Deathguard hero, Nathaniel Garrow, took him and some people and fled the Death Guard in order to tell everyone what was happening. Right. The Loyalist Deathguard, Nathaniel Garrow.

The Fly of the Einstein was a very important and arguably the number one turning point of the major Horace heresy. Because without you know, he flew the ship back and two Dorn and said, hey, yo,

yo, problems, things are going down. If he hadn't warned them, then maybe the Imperium doesn't survive. Yes, that was, it was worrying things. And it was, it was apparently a very, very good book.

And I'm told that you, big people should watch or read it. However, this is a great, opportunity to discuss the sheer volume of loyalty that Dorn has. All right. Let me just say he did not take this in spades. Oh, what, the Horace heresy? He didn't take it in spades?

He didn't believe Nathaniel Garrow. Oh, so he couldn't believe that Horace would do something like that. He couldn't believe that, like, anybody would turn on the Imperium. he thought Nathaniel Garrett was just straight up lying to him? Oh, absolutely. Oh. Quote. Look at me when I speak to you, Death Guard, snap the prime mark.

These lies you bring into my personal chambers, they sicken and disgust me. That you would dare to say such things about a hero of such massless character as my brother Horace. It vexes me beyond my capacity for description. He placed a massive finger on the sternum. of Garrow's armor. How cheap you must hold your integrity to give up so easily. I weep for mortarium if a man of such low honor as you could rise to command a company of the 14th Legion.

Know this. The only reason I do not tear you limb from limb for your defamation is that I know my brothers will reserve the pleas for themselves. Whoa. He was not pleased. He was not happy to hear this. Damn, so he was so loyal to the Imperium and And Horace and Biggie that he wouldn't even hear of them turning traitor at first. He was just, damn, I weep for Mortarian as someone like you could lead his ranks.

Damn. Gero returned with a simple, are you blind statement. Is that what you said in response? And Dorn was like, what did you say to me? He says, I rescind my former statement. Get on your knees and accept your death while you still have the chance to die like in Astardis. Holy shit. He was not having it.

Did he really say, are you blind to Dorn after all that? He says, are you blind? He whispered. Dorn was thunder incarnate. What did you just say to me? It's like, I asked if you were blind, Lord, because I fear you must be. Only one struck by such a terrible ailment could be as you are. Yours is the blindness that only a brother might have,

that of a keen judgment clouded by admiration and respect, clouded by your love for your kinsman, the war master. And it said it was not often that Rogal Dorn's stern mass cracked, but it did so now. The balls on Garrow. Holy shit. After hearing all that from Dorn, like you couldn't have put it,

maybe a little, a little chitler? I mean, I guess, you know, he's got to give him the news, and he's got to make him see that Horace has indeed gone traitor, so you've got to be a little, but holy shit. Damn. He was not having it. A part of me is like, yo, did Dorin just straight up kill him and then find out some other way that Horace was actually traitor?

No, he didn't kill him, no. He got stopped by. I think it was a lady a remembrance or something. And then after that, they got some, I think they helped prove her point with some pictures or something they found. Okay. But yeah, he was, he was unpleased.

I bet he was, holy shit. I mean, Garrow's got some balls on it, man. Talk about doing what you've got to do. Like, good God, talking to Dorn like that. Yeah. So, like I said, Dorn, despite everything, is not above anger, is not above, is not above rage. There's a concept or a statement that's when the Imperial Fists had to break up

in the separate chapters from the Codex Astardis, that the Imperial Force or Fists had the strength, duty, and valor of Dorm, and the Black Templars had his rage. Ah, okay. Because the Black Templars are insane. in the nembrain? Insane in the brain. Yeah, Cypress Hill references, let's go.

Let's go. Even I'm not that old or young. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows that song. Anyway, Black Templars are their rage, and the Imperial Fist are like his, you know, his duty. His, you said duty. I said duty, yeah.

His sense of honor and duty, and the Black Templars are his rage. So we'll kind of smooth. through the next couple of parts here because we've already covered them in some prior episodes, but to, you know, the usual, the Alpha Legion have arrived. They, they took a year in stasis and just drifted away because they didn't want the warp engines. Their job was to go to Pluto and destroy the astropathing signal, make them all blind, make the Horace heresy easier. Yep. The book is mainly about a character known as Archimus, who was a major captain, of the Imperial Fifth Legion

and was the commander of a group called the Huskarls. And the Huskarls are the elite honor guard of Dorn. Okay, cool. They're pretty dope looking, actually. All right. So the Huscarls,

the big thing for Archimus was, this is a spoiler for the book, I think, you know, whatever, but during the, he was the one who discovered the Alpha Legion's true intentions, to sabotage the astropathing signal. The beginning of the of the actual book is pretty cool.

They like did seven different random Alpha Legion shits and blew up a giant reactor over, over Terra, and then also jammed all the signals. And so you just had never-ending feeds and checks coming in. And they jammed the signals by just having the word looper call posted over and over and over and over again. And then there, It was even a little scene where,

they had a giant orbital station that they leaked an odorless gas into that had this dude's entire body filled with like the mummy style scarabs. Oh, no. But it was actually just hallucinogenic gas. And so he grabbed like a pipe and he was like, oh, bugs and started beating

his fellow people and they all started doing that. And then the transmitter just said over and over and over again, we have come for you. have come for you. And it's like, ah, it's my boys. It's your boys. It's no night lords. Yeah. So it was like pure just information

overload, getting to the brain and zapping all the neurons you could. And that's why this guy, Archimus, leader, the huskarls, his job was to discern what the fuck they were actually doing. Gotcha. And you figured it out. Led the assault on

the actual planet. And then I'd go to Pluto. actually dueled it with Altharius himself for a bit, and then he got fucking shanked. Of course. Then Dorn came around, chopped off Alferius's arms, and then stabbed him with his own spear, and then chained sawed his head, his bald-ass head.

Oh, that sucks. That sucks. I guess he got ahead of himself. And the episode, Shai. I guess he needed better arm-er. You know Fuck you You know It's actually interesting

How like not many Primarks die die But this is like This is one of those like Clean fucking kills Like like Dorn Dorn took the spear A stab through his shoulder

In order to pin Alfarious in place Snap the spear Cut his arms off with a chain sword Shanked him with the spear And then got him in the face And it was like Yeah that's a clean kill It's a very clean calculated kill

And it's not like the fucking Magnus Backbreaker or something. I mean, I suppose if anybody is going to get a clean Primark kill, probably be Dorn. I'm not sure if it was quite clean considering that he did it with like a ridiculous amount of chainsaw teeth. Well, clean as in he didn't like cheat or do anything underhanded. I'm sure that was a fucking mess. I'm sure that was a bloodbath.

Yes. I believe I'll fail. was trying to talk to him before that. And he was like, you see how many problems you have with your way of warfare? Mine is better. As an attempting to convince Dorn. He's like, he doesn't realize how much Dorn hates him. Like, fucking despises him.

I was going to say, why would Dorn listen to Alfarious about anything? He's always hated him, and he's just a bold-faced liar about everything. There's no way Dorn would have anything of anything. Alfaris was saying no matter what, even if he's like, oh no, hey, I actually love you, brother, and I want to come back to the Imperium. Fuck you. Like, there's no way he'd listen. You literally had a guy who was like, I'm trying to save the Imperium Horace turn traitor.

He was like, get on your knees and die like an starty. Yeah, that's true. He wasn't convinced in Jack. Yep, yep. But after that happened, of course, you had the major defense of the Imperial Palace itself. you know, the big assault, all that stuff. Him, the emperor, Sanguineas. I believe the Khan also.

All teleported over to the big fights, you know. Big battle. Sanguineus dies. Poor sanguineus. The emperor gets mortally wound him, and I believe both Dorn, and I think it was the con, find him in the chambers, and then they escort him and put him on the throne. Right. Because that's the last thing Dorn saw.

That was the last time the Doren saw the Emperor alive, sort of kind of was when he put him on the throne, and Malkador turns to dust. Damn. But, so, you know, Horace heresy's over. Everyone flees. We've been through this. Yep, yep, yep.

The post is the interesting part. Post heresy, Dord is pretty fucked in the head. I would imagine so. I was going to ask what, like, what Dorn's state of mind? is since he's he's so honor and duty bound towards like the Imperium and the Emperor

that like having to put Big E on the throne and see like his current state and to see the current state of the Imperium that's that's gotta be a lot for him to take in and yeah like he he genuinely believed that this is his fault

oh does he This is his palace that he was supposed to protect. He is the Praetorian of Terra, the sole protector of Terra. And he, despite like them still surviving and all that, the emperor is dying or slash dead kind of thing. Like, he failed. When Gilliman came with the idea of the second founding and to make all the Codex Astardis to cut all the Space Marine Legions into only 1,000 people chapters, Dorn initially was outraged

because he thought the Imperium blamed him for what happened and he believed that he deserves the blame but this proposal would be another damaging conflict and that the Legion didn't the Imperium didn't trust him anymore Oh okay

so he took that as almost a slight against like him He was I think he, it's hard to describe exactly how he felt, but I think it felt like he felt so guilty for everything and that no one trusted him anymore. Like you know, like I fucked up, I failed, and you want me to turn my legion in a thousands of groups

because you don't trust my legion to be whole and powerful anymore. You do not trust me. And I, and he's like, you know what? I don't know if I trust me either. Oh, damn. So he is definitely in a very, vulnerable state of mind, I guess.

He, like, the one thing that he And like, that's the, that's the thing that's really hammer-hone about Dorn is that he fucking believes in the Imperium. He believes in what the emperor wanted. He still does. And he's there with his hammer. Sanguinius is fucking dead. His dad is barely kept alive by tubes.

Half of his brothers are, are gone and ready to come back. and try it to murder them again. Like, and then, and then it gets worse. Gilliman gets stabbed by a poison blade by Fulgrim and is then eventually put into stasis. The con goes into webway and is never seen again. Corvus, Korax, and, uh, Russ disappear into the warp.

Oh, man. He's there with his hammer. And every so often, it's like a time lapse. And all the brothers around him just fade over. and over again. Oh, God. That's... Oh.

Yeah, that's... That sucks for him. So... Oh, boy, he's got to be very... You could probably tattoo damaged right on his forehead. Let's stay away from Jared Leto's Island, please. Fair, fair. So is Dorn...

Dorn is still around in current 40K times? So... this is before all the other Primarks bailed or went away or whatever happened he was trying to figure out what the hell to do and so he decided to put on something called a pain glove oh boy the pain glove I've heard about this

yes it is a giant body glove of just sheer fucking pain and Rogaldorm believes that pain helps scour the body of impurities which goes along with his raising because it's It's like, hey, if you break, you and your people all die. So he made sure that I'm going to try to make you break because I want you to be unbreakable.

The thing about Dorn is that his literal existence stopped psychic powers around him. Wow. Like, he wasn't a blank. He just had such this fortress of willpower, this mind of steel that Magnus, you couldn't get in it. People can't read his minds. He can't, like, he is a fucking wall. He is a mental fortress. Wow, that's pretty impressive.

He's unshakable and unbreakable, and he was like, I don't know what to do. Magic pain glove. Tell me what I must do. So he spends seven days in this thing, trying to give himself some kind of pain-induced vision to try to figure out what the hell he should do. And so he decided that. that the only way to fix himself and his legion is a salvation through pain and self-sacrifice. And so then he said, Per Trobo, I'm coming for you.

And Fratrabbo's like, ooh, my iron fortress, the iron cage. Ooh, you dared attack my fortress? Come on, Dorn, you pussy. Oh, no, and then he gets bodied. And then he gets bodied, yes. and bobbed instead of the imperial fist and what it takes them like forever to like

they're still not fully replenished are they I think if Dorn wanted to go full stop he could have taken out the iron warriors and the iron cage but he probably would have cost him his life and so Gilliman arrived there and he was like bro

back up what are you doing stop it's not worth it So obviously, yeah, they took like 80% losses or some crap like that, like an insane amount of their people died. Jesus. So Dorn has been around this whole time, right? Dorn still exists, right?

So, Dorn was one of the most long lived of the Primarks. As, like I said, he was there, this little hammer, and people kept going away. More and more and more and more. And his Blanky. Eventually, the first black crusade by Abadon arrived. And eventually he had launched an attack, a final attack on the bridge of their chaos flagship called the Sword of Sacrilege. Wow. And Dorn ended up being cornered in this fight.

And once the Imperial Fist made it back, to the actual place, they found no sign of Dorn anywhere. And the only thing they found was his left hand. Oh, really? A severed left hand of Dorn on the ground. So nobody knows what happened to Dorn, huh? They just found a severed hand and nobody?

The attempted, the only idea of what happened we know is that was what Conrad Kerr saw when he shook hands with Dorm which is seeing Dorn violently swinging against like a hundred Astardis tearing him down

and being ripped limb from limb. So Dorn is gone. We don't know. So theoretically Dorn could at some point come back. We believe that Dorn is dead. He was torn to pieces by, and it took like a hundred of Staris to take him down. He was like ripping people up. But eventually he got overwhelmed and he was torn to bits.

And the only thing left is the left hand, which was then taken back by the Imperial Fists. And they actually like scrimshaw the names of their chapter master's like on the bones of the hand. It's like the holiest icon they have. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's called the Hand of Dorn. Yeah. So we don't know. is missing, presumed dead.

If Conrad Kerr's is to trust, which he's not, then we would assume that yes, he is dead. However, Conrad Kerr's also a little crazy. Just a smidge, just a little bit of crazy, yeah. So we don't know. We assume he is dead, but I think most, people believe that Dorn is not dead, and we just need to wait for them to bring Dorn back. Yeah, that, I mean, that sounds more plausible for like a GW thing.

Because, I mean, if they ripped him to bits, why, why'd they only leave his hand? And wouldn't there be, like, big old blood splotches and guts hanging out everywhere? A great question. I mean, there would be more evidence of him getting torn to pieces. Yeah, well, they could have taken the pieces and maybe done some demon shit. Who knows? Oh, yeah, Demon Dorn, let's go. Demon Dorn, missing his hand.

Yeah, the double D. Oh, God. Give him that double D's, baby. Demon Dorn, let's go. I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want double D's involving Dever. Double D's with Dorme. Let's go. Slanesh got him.

Oh, Jesus. Slenesh got Dorn. That's my new champion! It sure is great being Rogal Dorn in a bowling alley. I hope nothing strange and suss happens to me. What's that?

Why is that blue bowling ball looming? It's just Petrovos face. Oh, no. Oh, God, that meme is awful. Yes, it is. I was going to ask, so Dorn was around up until like the first

Black Crusade, right? The first Black Crusade of M 781M31. So I think another, what was that? 600 years? So by this point, are people worshipping the emperor as a god, or does that come way after? I think, I think it's the beginning of it, but it's not fully blown out yet. Okay, because I was going to say, like, how does that happen if, like, if, like, if,

If Dorn is still around and Dorn is like the biggest fan of Biggie in the Imperium, how fuck did he let it get to be the way it is? But if he dies right around when it first starts getting going, that kind of makes sense. I know that there's an excerpt of good old Gillamim screaming at a priest, which was genuinely enjoyable to read. I bet Gilliman has had his fair share of screaming at priests being like, no, this isn't what he wanted. You're fools.

Gilliman was like ready to snap the priest's neck. He was like, I am ready to kill you if you keep this shit up. But that's a gilman probably has that a lot. Yeah, nowadays he's not enjoying himself. But no, Dorn as far as we know is presumed dead. most likely alive because that's the GW thing. Yeah. You know how much money they would get if they brought back Dorn?

I mean, pick one, dude. Dorn, the con, Corvus Korax is a demon bird, a Vulcan, you know, Lehman Rust. Like, there's so many options. True. Dorn seemed, well, I guess that's true. Any of the prime marks, you bring any of them back

and it's probably going to be a fucking gold mine. That's fair. Yeah. Dorn, but Dorn as a character, like, you want yourself, your immovable, complete like duty bound get shit done motherfucker that's door

get her done that is Dorn his legium is that in its entirety it is all about duty and strength and end get it done and get it done right there's no point in doing something wrong just to do it get it done faster the true belief that the Imperium can be

what they hoped it could be at the time and the tragedy of all of his brothers slowly going away as he still keeps trying to build his castles and sleep with his blanky. He's a little blanky. Now I can only imagine when Dorn goes to sleep. He's got his little blankie and he has to suck his thumb. I mean, shit, man.

Check to see if anybody's looking to just... I mean, shit. Shit, man. I mean, fucking Dorn, that's fine, man. He's been through the ringer. Yeah, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. he's been through some shit and he's done some shit

so he's earned a little vulnerability he really has Dorn is he may not have as much of like an in-depth lore of his childhood stuff like say Angron or Curz or perhaps like Perchrabbo and all that but like the con it's about what he does

afterwards that's the true interest Yep same with Horace right It doesn't matter how it was brought up it matters what he did with the Horacee or the Horacee The Horacee Horacee, the horse sussie. Oh, what?

He's horses. He is horses. Alferas sus. Yep. Horse sussie, actually in my head is like, oh, no, that could be way more cursed than just horace. Anyway, that's not, anyway. So, uh, Dorn. God damn it.

Dorn, man, Dorn. Dorn. Good old, good old Dorm. Dorn is, uh, you know, he, he's, he's the Praetorian of Terror for a reason. He's the, he's the strong, tough, men. unbreakable demigod, clad in gold fucking eagles. Yep. And truly a bastion of that power.

Yeah, he sounds like a badass. But I will say nothing you have said today has convinced me to believe that he can read. I knew it. I knew what's coming. Nothing you have said to me today convinces me that he can read. He might be able to build very well. He might be able to look at pictures on a blueprint

and replicate them. But you have not proven to me that he has is literate yet. You know, Nathaniel Garrow eventually had a message that said, I am a traitor signed Horace Lupertall and he was like, what does this even mean? This sign's not going to stop me, I can't read it. You fucking liar. There you go. So, still canon. Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good.

Like it. I like it. I like it a lot. Man, there are, there are so many goddamn, so many goddamn fucking times where he's just been screaming at people. This entire This entire fly of the Einstein excerpt looks so insane Yeah Oh, Dorn

It's so funny He's like, you must hear Nathaniel out It's like you dare to give me an order A relic who should have been retired centuries ago, you dared to do so So fucking mad He comes across so much like Drak's

With just sort of You know, he's so literal and just yeah I don't know I could see Batista playing a great Dorn in like a 40K movie I feel like Josh Brolin

would do a really good job as Dorn Oh yeah Well Josh Brom would do a good job at anything That's not fair Yeah He'd be a good anything You put the makeup on that fool He's got the rugged like nature to him

And I can imagine Josh Browland yelling To be quite terrifying I'm not sure why, but if they cast Dorn, I just imagine they would cast fucking like John Cena to play him. I think it's because he looks like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a sort of stern military, you know, he's fairly good at being, you know, yeah. I was going to say uncharismatic because I hated him in WWA, but whatever. Remind me the name of the, it was me, Austin guy. A Vince McMahon.

Vincent Kennedy McMahon. I want Vincent McMahon to play like Lord. Gar. It was me, Austin. It was me, Arabis. It was me all along. Oh, God, we're off the rails.

We're always out the rails. All right, shy. This time, well, actually, let's, let's, you know what? Should we, if we're going to do it, we're going to do it right this time. Oh, okay. All right. Thank you all so much for watching this episode of Adeptus Ridiculous. My name has been Bricky.

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