Adeptus Ridiculous - SISTERS OF BATTLE VEHICLES: FROM WARSUITS TO PIPE ORGAN TANKS | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Adepta Sororitas (also known as "the Sisterhood" or "Daughters of the Emperor") are an all-female subdivision of the religious organisation known as the Ecclesiarchy or Ministorum. The Sisterhood's Orders Militant serve as the Ecclesiarchy's fighting arm, mercilessly rooting out corruption and heresy within humanity and every organisation of the Adeptus Terra. The terms "Adepta Sororitas" and "Sisters of Battle" are commonly assumed to mean the same thing, but the latter title technically refers only to the Orders Militant - the military arm of the organisation which is the largest and the best-known part of the Sororitas.Support the show

episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis. His name is Bricky, and our friend's name is Kerioth. But before we get any further, if you enjoy today's episode of the podcast, and you maybe want to support the podcast, heading over to Patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen. The $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in Krispy HD format. It's great. They're wonderful. You should check it out at patreon.com slash Adeptus ridiculous. Bricky say your things. Oh yeah. Well, if you want to check out the merchandise at Orchidate.com,

you can check that out. Link in the description. All the good stuff is there. The posters, the shirts, the hoodies, you got dice and so on. Give it a look. All the good stuff. And that's me. Hi, Kariath. How you doing? I'm good. I'm doing. It's fine. I'm out of the walls. I'm like,

I'm kind of melting. A little bit, but that's good. That's on brand for this episode. It's on theme, melting. Oh, okay. A little bit of a hint. Just a little tiny one, a tease, little tease in there. Melt a episode?

Maybe. Something related. Wait, oh. Oh, well, I mean, so I was given a good deal of shit earlier about yelling about codexes and sisters of battle. and you say MELTA. It's transferred from before we even started. Go ahead, Bricky. What are you suggesting here with Meltas?

Well, I mean, like, I would be a little, I'd be a little shocked if it's just like a sister's episode because like that's kind of, like, I'm just going to be like, Mm-hmm, Kyriath, yep, that's right. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Is it Meltas? Are we doing an episode on the Melta? You are not that far off with talking about sisters.

Oh? You're not that far off. Oh, wow. Because it's been a little while since we've done just a good old kind of, what, origin story, tank episode. It's been a while since we've just done some classy vehicles from a group of incredibly not prone to burning people alive people. So we're going to be taking a look at the vehicles of the Sisters of Battles.

which is weirdly on theme for the way today's conversation started. Well, actually. Not planned, but. So Brickie's going to be able to give us a little supplementary knowledge here because you play sisters. Sisters are one of your favorites. So it's pretty much just going to be me learning today. Bricky is going to get no new info today, right?

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, at the top of my head, I can think of the Rino Custigator Exorcist, the pulpit, I can think of also the repressor that's Forgeboro, and I can think of the drop churches as well. I can think of those. But if he's got more than that,

then do, I guess the nundums would count, I suppose. I guess the penitent engines, if we call those vehicles. But is it a vehicle episode or is a tank episode? We're going vehicles. We're going vehicles, because there are a few things in there that technically count, even though you might not think that they did, but they do.

And there's a nice, like, extra, extra sort of level to this because some of our favourite, like Sisters of Battled tanks, for instance, didn't always look the way that they did. So we get a nice little journey from sort of where they started on some of them to the, frankly, absolutely insane things that we have now. Okay. I am excited. Sisters have some cool stuff. Let's go. I am always a fan of the, well, you know, I don't need to, I don't need to explain myself.

You know where I. Oh, oh, you're a fan of sister stuff, huh? Please tell me more, Bricky. I was completely unaware of this new information. One day, your sarcasm will be the end of you. You know what? It might be, but that day is not today. Chai thinks that me going on and on and on about random codex stuff is going to destroy the podcast, but in reality, it's going to be,

a you and your shitter behavior. My insufferable sarcasm is going to be the end of the podcast. It's going to end up, it's going to end up being like a farseer thing where they, they scry the future and they see the end of the Adep's Ridiculous podcast. And so we make large sweeping changes to make sure it doesn't happen. But in reality, those changes were what killed it to begin with. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, no. And then in a few years, they can be a detective ridiculous. episode about it. Oh, well. So it was background. Well. An infinite loop. I don't think that's going to happen.

No. No, maybe not. Since we're literally recording the last episode of that tomorrow, I don't think that's going to happen a few years. Fair point. Also, check out his dog with a hat. What? All right.

All right, curiosity. What's the first sister's vehicle? Okay. We're going to, we're going to get one hour. of the way, straight off the bat, because it's the rhino. We already know about the rhino. We know everything about the rhino at this point. The rhino shows up so often it's unreal, but they do have an extremely cool version of said rhino, but it's worth noting that they have access to it because pretty much every other tank-based vehicle they have does the classic,

which is take the rhino and stick extra things on top, because, you know, that's how the Imperium works. They take the one chassis they have and make a thousand things out of it. So you've got to get the rhino in there early, but we don't need to dwell on it other than to say they do have the best looking doors and decoration or the little filigree on the sides. It's classy. It's way classy than anyone else, and that's just the truth of it. Is that, so Shai just posted a picture of this rhino, and did they just stick a bolter on top of it with like little squiggly arms holding it in place. Pendle-mounted storm bolter, D.K., come on.

I see. So many of them have got it. You just stick a lad out of the hatch, you shoot some heretics in this instance, then you pop back down. You're all good. It's just, in that picture,

it just looks so goofy, like the rhino has tiny little arms, and he's like, I'm going to get you, puch. I will a bit from that profile. It is a bit weird. Let's not forget the importance

of the hunter-killer missile, which I will champion, because a hunter-killer missile normally is like, oh, this is fun, maybe it'll do something kind of weapon. But then when the hunter-killer missile has miracle dice, it can really do something. Okay. What do you miracle dice do?

They let you substitute a dice roll, basically. So if you've got a miracle dice where you rolled a six earlier, you can go, I'm using that six right now. And use it to destroy, say, your Bainblade that you're super proud of and we're really happy to get to use. But now it's gone, so sucks to be you. So Miracle Dice, very good. Yeah, they're arguably one of the best Army rules in the game.

The reason they're not totally bull, like, BSOP is because they're on sisters' profiles, which tend to be kind of mid. But, you know, sometimes, the idea is like, what's the, I fear not the man who has fired eight Meltas at me. I fear the man who has fired eight Meltas at me gets only one through and then says, Lola, Mal, I'm going to use the six for flat six damage instead of rolling the dice. and like, oh, okay. Yeah, that does sound pretty good.

Okay. Yeah. It's fun if you're the one doing it. It's the way that's not as much on the other side. Yeah, on the other side, that sounds like awful, just the worst. But yeah, for sisters players, great fun. It's really crushing when you, like, hit a hammerhead, Tao shot into some random sisters thing.

And all your sisters have six up invalts because of your faith. And you're just like, you know what? No, I'd save, and then you just put the dice out. If you believe hard enough, you literally become bulletproof. If you have enough faith in the emperor, you can just decide, no, I'm not affected by the laws of physics. I don't care, which is really cool and thematic. Yeah, because that's kind of lore, right? Because, like, they do perform weird miracles, even though they're not, like, attached to the warp or anything, right?

And it's like, oh, hey, maybe the emperor is a thing, because, look at the miracles we're making with the dice. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, that's the general concept, right? Yeah. The orcs all believe in the stuff. And so you get a little bit of warp stuff in their giant congregations of them.

But then the sisters, they believe really, really, really hard. And, you know, then they chant their hymns. They shout their stuff. And so randomly, it's as if miracles surround them, which might literally just be them. like actually go, like Big E might actually just be that or Big E might just be their patron deity. Who knows? Big E is the one that like Celestine is just a greater demon for the emperor.

Big E, yeah. Which would be great. It's pretty cool. It's pretty badass. They are not, come on, shy. Or they're all witches. Come on. That's going to, I've just detected first blood vessels on multiple people.

Only one of them is a witch. And that's Frile stern. It's just the one witch, actually. The rest of them are absolutely fine. Don't worry about it. Don't think about it. Don't think about it. Anyway, the rhino.

The rhino. We know the rhino. Yeah, we know the rhino. I put 10 repentia in that and then put it behind a wall and watch my opponent not be able to do anything about it. It's very funny. Standard rhino use there for assistance of battle. Yep, yep. But they get lots of fun stuff based off the rhino.

So I feel like if we're going to go fully like on, theme and really sort of bring forth what the Sissons of Battler about. We need to talk about the immolator as the first like rhino variant which is... Speaking of melting.

Yeah, pretty much. It is effectively a rhino with a severe like ability to just burn everything. Twin-linked heavy flamers or you can if you really want to be like

if you want to be boring you can have twin-linked heavy bolters or you can have twin-linked multi-melters. So, you know, two of the three options involve just scorching people to death, which is nice, but you can also fit some sisters of battle in it. So the emulator can charge up the battlefield, melt people with extreme prejudice, and then discharge six sisters of battle, who can then presumably also start melting heretics because they, you know, they quite like doing that.

Yeah, I would assume if you're rolling around in a rhino with a heavy flamer or a melta, you're probably going to get out and start like flame throwing people. Just seems like the thematic thing to do. Oh, definitely. Oh, my, that old immolator does not look very good. Okay, this is the thing. This is where we get to see the evolution of the immolator, right? So, this is the first imalator. Oh, wow.

What is the pilot? What happened? stylistic flair, I think it's fair to say. Wait, is that, is that just the arm or is that a person behind it? That's a person, but like, I love the fact that the rhino doesn't even look like a rhino. It only has four of the treads on the side,

and the front, like, lights are totally different. Yeah, yeah. That's the OG rhino, and it's, it's not, it's not aged great. There are now, like, you can get that version of the rhino for Horace heresy, but it's like, they redesigned it so it looks a bit less, well, a bit less literally 30 years old. Yeah, fair enough.

So you started out with that. There was also a forge world version of the immolator, which looked a little bit cooler because it was the updated rhino chassis. So that was a bit more up to date. It still was lacking a little bit of the kind of flare that you get from Sissers of Battle, though, because it was pretty much just sticking a couple of heavy flamers out of one of the cupolas and that was it. So that's when they introduced the one that Shai posted,

which is the imulator from, like, not this version, but the one before, which you can see they're starting to get a bit more kind of, they're getting a bit more over the top with it. You've got a few more, like, shrine bits on the side, and you've got this little, like, church motif going on. And then when they announced the Big Sisters rework and brought them out of metal into plastic, they introduced the current immolator,

which is insane. Oh, yes, please. It was a bit of a challenge to put it together. The stained glass is a huge pain. Oh, man. Actually, painting the stained glass must have been a huge pain. Like, if you're just using, like, well, I guess you would just use, like, oils and stuff on it, right?

Like a nulln oil or, like, uh, Rikland flesh shade or something, right? Mostly, yeah. But it was just like putting it on was the whole back, oh my God, the whole back piece with all the candles and stuff. Good Lord. It looks great, though, to be fair. You paint that properly and you put it together properly. That's sick. I love that.

Yeah, it's great. You don't get much more sisters than having the four burning braziers on the side, all the candles on the back. You got a cherub with a horn going doot-doot in the back. And the fact that like, oh yeah, how do we want to protect the driver? Bulletproof stained glass. Church mosaic. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Oh, so good. Oh, Shai says, okay, hear me out. And this will cause Bricky to cry and bitch and shit and piss. But my favorite version is Forge World. It looks like a really gritty vehicle. New one looks like Hot Wheels toy. You can read this to the audience too so they can fill their diapers. Hey, Shai, do you like

Like anything? I mean, that's a fair question, Shai. You know, there's a lot of hatred and vitriol That comes out. She likes the Ford World Imelator Yeah, you see. The Ford World Imelator has a very good

Like more classic Motiv and thing like that, but I don't play sisters for classic. I play them for absolute insanity. And so the new one is just to me like it's so over the top and dumb that it turns over into fun for me. Yeah, I got to admit the new one is by far the best one. To me anyway, obviously, taste is subjective and all that,

but yeah, the new one is by far the best one. Sorry. I'm like, I'm firmly kind of in the middle because the new one is really excessive. It's super over the top. It is basically a miniature cathedral with flame throwers on it, which by itself is just insane. in the best way, it's like all the best things about 40K, where everything's just turned up to 11,

and it just moves fully into being ridiculous. Yes, but at the same time, I also do like a proper gritty tank. So I feel like with the right paint scheme and stuff and the right force, the four-world one might fit better in like some kind of concept armies, whereas the new one is, it's like just a general purpose, look how insane this faction is, it's pretty up there.

Like, the forge world one looks like it would be good for, like, a guard regiment or just a random space marine. Like, it doesn't really look sisters. Like, the new one is like, all right, we play in sisters. Yeah, they've gotten absolutely insane in the membrane with all of their extra details, and I love it. It's very much my jam. I like when it looks stupid.

It's true. I mean, the fours world one does look like it would function in the real world, and the new one kind of doesn't. Yeah, but we're playing 40K. Who plays 40K to play stuff that looks like it would work in the real world? Yeah, that's also fair. Well, I would say guard. No, I don't play guard because it looks like it would function in the real world. I play gar because I like it when my mulching meat mulchers get mulched. I was going to say, there's, Jesus Christ.

I like it when my. mulch gets mulched. There's no way that you play guard because you think that they would operate correctly. Have you seen the ground

clearance on their main battle tank? It couldn't get over a speed bump. It's terrible. It's absolutely useless. Realism matters absolutely zero to me

even in guard. I play guard because I do like the whole normal people but I like the normal people vibe. I don't care about the realism vibe. I care about

John murder a man getting all of his buddies pouncing on an orc to try to stab him to death with a bayonet. It's so fun. Shai is losing her mind. This guy's a phony. This guy's a phony.

Please post a screenshot. That's a family guy, isn't it? Oh yeah, it is family guy. Big fan phony. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, is it time for the church organ, or are we going to repressor first? Oh, we're going to do repressor. I feel like we should do repressor next because it's, I mean, to be fair, it is one of my absolute favorite models. And I'm really sad it's gone, and it's been gone for a long time.

So, you know, I've had time to get over it. But there was a time where from Forge World you could get the repressor. And the repressor, again, it's basically a rhino, but it has extra armor on the sides. It's got the best dozer blade on the front, except the background for it is really, really cool. So the repressor wasn't originally a Sisters of Battle vehicle. It was used by the Adeptus, R. BTs, R. Btes, the Judge Dreadlop. To basically crowd control, to suppress the population if they rose up in any way, shape or form. and there was a uprising, which was on the world of Avignor,

and when a heretical cult managed to cause a riot of a million pilgrims going mental, the, the, the, our bites, they got overran, they got completely destroyed, and there were sisters of battle from the sacred rose on the planet. So they took the repressor, they replaced the water cannons and smoke grenade launchers with heavy flamers and storm bolters. No way! Loaded up and proceeded to murder everybody. Wow. Let's go.

Let's go. Girls can commit war crimes too. So this tank is specifically for repressing any sort of rebellious uprising by like, Humans. Like, this wasn't made for, like, going out to fight the Zenos. Like, this is just like, hey, I've got a dozer blade, and I'm just going to mow down anybody that is trying to, like, I don't know, be heretical or whatever. That's like the origin of it. It was basically a, basically like a riot van now for local law enforcement. But when local law enforcement failed, the Sisters of Battle took it and took off all the non-lethal stuff and just added flamers. and went, okay, well, if that's how we're doing it, and they put the rebellion down, they sorted it out. Yeah, no kidding. They totally sorted it.

No kidding. You're just dozering people over with a flamethrower. Yeah, you will put down a rebellion really quickly. Holy shit. I mean, damn, there's no fooling around. Well, I guess the sisters would do that because anybody that's going against the emperor needs to be purged in holy fire, right? I mean, if you basically were in the same zip code as someone who was, uh, going against the emperor, you're going to be into a mulch. You're going to get flamed.

Yeah. My mulching men who are being mulched. It's kind of a shame that it's gone now, to be honest, but it also doesn't really have that much of a strong place in like the roster anymore because it also has a transport capacity of 10, but you're basically getting a rhino with an extra gun. And the rest of the stuff that's on it, for a while at least, it was all optional. extras anyway. So the extra armor was stuff that you could take on a rhino. You could take hunter-killer missiles and searchlights and smoke launches and all that stuff. So it was kind of like,

at some point, I think GW and Forge World as a whole kind of said, do we need this? Is there any point in taking this over anything else? You know, it costs more points to take. Is it technically better? Not really. So it kind of got left behind as various sisters codex came out. But I still maintain that this is one of the coolest Forge World models because it's still recognisably a rhino, right? But the dozer blade looks brutal. The little turret on the front looks great.

The fact that it has extra transport capacity but it's built up. It's the same vehicle, but it, I don't know, it feels like something quite different to most other rhino variants. And I'm still a little bit sad that it's gone. I love how... I love how big the dozeries.

is and it's like it's it's it's connected to like two small spinly plastic bits you know like to the actual tank because it's kind of jutting out a little bit but I just love how gigantic the dozer looks comparatively to like the tank it's so big and you add a dozer blade to anything and it's gonna look infinitely cooler I mean that you know uh what's the solar auxilia leman rust kirioth I mean oh yeah like that kind of that kind of is exactly the point. They added a brand... Where is it?

Here it is. Oh, this one also looks like it's barely held on by anything. But this one also clearly has a dozer, and it makes everything cooler. Yeah, it does. 100%. That's why I added dozer blades to my bane sword. It makes it hilariously big, so it barely fits on a table now. But dozer blades just improve all tanks.

It's just a fact. Oh, yeah. The one you posted, Bricky, looks cool and everything. But, like, if that thing was just a little bit bigger, if it was, like, the size of, like, the, the rhino one, the repressor, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm just happy to see a new plastic leaving a rest kit. Fair enough. I know we've talked about this before. It's so good.

I think this might have come up more than, like, twice on the podcast, but it's just so good. Does it have... Does it have side sponsors? It doesn't. It doesn't. Sponsons. Oh, crap. I got a 3D press on something.

At a time where you don't have to pay for Sponsons, they made the 30K version of the Lehman Rus with no sponsorsons. Yep. God damn them. All right. It is what it is. Why do you do what it? Well, they want money, but also, you know, why?

Yeah, yeah, I know why, but also why. Yeah, you can know and not be happy about it. It's the same thing as taxes. You know, I understand why you're taking my money. I just don't want you to do. You've known GW your whole life. You know why they do it. Yeah, you know.

I mean, in fairness, the new Solar Exilia Sentinel is also so cool. The walking fridge. The walking, yeah, the walking fridge, the thing straight out of dishonored. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. I love it. Anyway, typical, typical bricky to derail something into a guard conversation. Yeah, that is, yeah, but that's okay.

That's fine. Okay. We're going to move from the repressor to another, another rhino shatty vehicle, because we're sort of getting the more like gritty ones that have had like gritty versions out of the way first. So we've got to talk about The Exorcist because it is an absolute genius move. But it wasn't a genius move for a little while. It's the Sisters of Battle Tank that has a massive missile launcher on the back of it. And it's class.

It's awesome. And did you know that there was also a Ford. version that was relatively normal. Yeah. I mean, that certainly looks relatively normal, and I'm sure many people think it's very nice. Mm-hmm. Yep. So this is the, you said this is the Exorcist, right?

It is nice, to be fair. So it just looks like a rhino that has a giant missile launcher pod on the back. Let's be honest, it looks like a whirlwind, but kind of a little bit cooler. It's a small whirlwind, honestly, yeah. It's just got a smaller whirlwind launcher, which I'm fine with. I love these. They look fantastic, but to be fair, they did go a bit harder on it when it came to the Sisters of Battle because the version that wasn't called originally was that. So.

Please tell me it fires like the missiles out of like the pipe organs. That's exactly what it does. So it is a, it's a very rhino with a church organ on the back of it. and the pipes for the church organ fire missiles out of them at the enemy. Oh, and please, please tell me the way you fire it is by playing a hymn

on the organ. Well, it's funny you should mention that because in the newest version of it, there is a full organ keyboard on the back of it, if I remember right? Oh, let's go! Is it tubular bells they're playing? Like the sculptor specifically said,

oh, I did their hands in the pose of playing this piece of music. Shah is so mad right now, I bet. This thing is so dumb. It might be the most ridiculous. This might be the most ridiculous sisters model, I think, currently available. But yes, naturally, I think it's the greatest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And I love it to death.

Thank you. I was hoping I wasn't the only one, because I think that is the greatest thing ever to be playing a him. Rockets are just flying into the air. That's great. I fucking love that. What's even better about this is that this just straight up does not show all of the phenomenal extra little bits on that model. It's so busy. There's so much stuff on it. It's insane. Oh, yeah. There's like little ivory things. There's books. Yeah. Yeah, it is crazy. It's crazy. I love that. adore it.

The back of it has the giant like the giant like wing motif. Wow. I find like yeah the there they are. I was looking for a keyboard. It's crazy because it's not just that. But if you look at the back of the

exorcists, you can see the horns because it's not just firing the missiles. You are playing hymns at the same time. And you can even see little roses and little petals. Oh yeah. are little roses behind her. Yep.

And you can see the keyboard on her. It's a giant keyboard. It's an organ keyboard. I love that. I, this is, I was speaking with the poor

Hammer guys when we were talking about the idea of games workshops's whole idea of like, it's so dumb, but you take it seriously. It's like treading that line.

And they said, no, they don't tread that line at all. They grab the line. They start to skip rope with it. and this is one of those situations. Yeah. I love that, actually.

I love how unsurious that is. I love how kind of over the top it is. That's great. I love it. It's properly over the top. I love it. Yeah. It's a juxtaposition of taking something so patently absurd

and treating it with a straight face that just makes me laugh so hard. Yep. You know what you're fighting. You know you're fighting sisters. No question. All right, Kirat, what's next? I love it.

Or are we still talking about this? Well, there is something to note about it. So there's, like, this version of the exorcist are known for being really difficult to work with. So the machine spirits are super temperamental, and the tanks require, like, constant repairs and prayer to get them to work. and they're not just like treated as vehicles in as much as like in 40K most vehicles aren't just treated as vehicles because you know technology is so backwards and broken and everything is difficult to reproduce but they are like they are works of art so they're not just tanks they are treated as moving working like living works of art um and the the The massive organ missile launcher, they don't really understand how it even works. So the Adeptus Mechanicus don't really get it.

It's only like vaguely understood how it all functions. Which, to be fair, as like a bit of law, like attached to artwork goes, I totally understand that. If you showed me that and explained how this rains missiles down from a mile away, I would go, it's an organ, what are you talking about? Like, what do you mean? I really like that they've kind of made it a bit more than just a tank. Instead, it's this kind of moving, almost like moving worship of the emperor,

and it has all of these weird things attached to it because of that. Yeah, it does kind of look like it would be more of a moving sort of, like, you know how Bannermen are like waving the flag? and like preaching like, you know, oh, our army is great. It looks like it would be more that, but with a missile launcher. It's great. It's great. I love it. I will say, I will say, shy, come on, that artwork, it does look. It does look pretty great.

It does look pretty great. It does look pretty cool. It's the same artwork that, no matter what. I think it's by that whichever artists they use that has them do, like the really grim, dark artwork. that's like super decrepit like Chaos Space Marine Codex cover guy basically Yeah, because it looks like really drengy, you know? Yeah.

But I think, you know, obviously Shai likes her more traditional vehicle kind of stuff which you know to each their own. Oh, you don't say. But there's there it is. You're going to be the downfall of this podcast, DK. What? What? I'm agreeing with you. Which like, hey, like memes aside

to each their own. I think there's like a certain level where it can become a bit too much. And I think it's just, it's so taste dependent. Like, remember when they launched this Skatari character, the Scalatros? Oh, boy. The big tall leg. Yeah. Like, this guy is where I'm like, okay, all right, maybe we've gone a little too far.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. But then... I'll go with you on that one. There is a line and that, yeah, the stilts definitely crossed it. Yeah. That being said...

I go back and forth on that. Like, when I first saw it, I was like, oh, it's very like admin. It's very sort of weird and different. And then part of my brain went, is he supposed to be long range? Because standing at a really, like, noticeable tall height, probably not great for, you know, why? Why is he that tall?

Like that sort of just, it felt too weird to work, if that makes sense? Sure, sure. I get that. I guess Shai reiterated her point. It's not about traditional people, it's about grim, dark, and gritty vehicles. Which I guess makes sense, because it's like a very orc player kind of thing, you know?

Like, it's all like drungy and like kind of ramshackle. I can get it. I like it. I like it for, I like it for sisters because that like the motif is so like none vibe and things like that. So it's like all perfect and stuff. Anyway, what I was getting out with this guitary guy is like I'm not huge on the, the stint. That being said, it's almost hypocritical to say I love the taraxi sterilizers. I love the Da Vincii wing.

with the flame throwers. And so it's like, I honestly don't even know what my own opinions are anymore because they're all weird and just confusing as shit. Well, I don't know. I feel like the winged guys aren't as bad because like the Skatari with the stilts just looks goofy, right? It just looks goofy and weird. And it just, it doesn't really look like there's any reason for it other than we wanted to make something quirky. At least with the wings, it's like, oh, the wings are cool. They look right.

It looks fancy They're using them to fly Okay, cool Whereas the stilts are just like Yeah, he's just Long Man I can't

I can't agree with you on that one Dude Really? No in the sense I love the I love the Teraxes But you said like Well the

The flying ones Don't look goofy And I'm like They don't Bullshit Really you think those guys Look goofy? Dude they have

Da Vinci wings Yeah but they look fine Like they don't like the stilts just look out of place completely The wings look fine So we're in agreement on that I agree with you That the long boy looks weirder than the flying dudes But I'm not gonna go as far as to call the flying dudes

Not goofy and wacky and weird They're incredibly strange Okay they are strange but Better than the stilts, right? Yes Okay It's just like like where the line is drawn for redeeming It's just, it's so dependent on each individual person that, like, I don't even know anymore at this point.

But regardless, I think as we, well, okay, are we going to continue, are we going into suits or are we going into engines, Kierreoth? Because that will also add to the concept. Yes, we do, we do have one more rhino-based vehicle, a very recent edition. But I will say, oh, right. I totally forgot about it. It's going to sound like very sort of, like, I don't know, straddling the fence at like not picking your side. I think like you're both right because you're approaching the same thing from just slightly different subjective viewpoints in terms of which models you like and which ones don't quite do it. And it's preference.

It's one of the things that makes 40K so much, well, just games workshop, well, miniatures as a whole, really, so much fun to try and like break down because there will be. be things, for instance, the Death Guard. The Death Guard range as a whole, super busy. I'm not really a fan. There's a lot going on. It's a bit messy for me, personally. And so I've never started that army. I've never really felt drawn to those models. But I will happily take a model, absolutely cover it in skulls and arms so that it's just a mess of weird like nonsense and go, yeah, that's perfect.

Like it's, it just, I think it's so dependent on the one or like two miniatures in front of you where it's like, if a company does it, you go look at it and go, I'm not sure about that.

But then, and I bring this up constantly, I'm super, see, it shows like, death guard is messy. I've seen your, kit bashes, yeah, that's exactly it. I'll see something that Games Workshop puts out and go, that is too busy for my taste.

And then I'll go to just a normal infantry guy and go, he needs more skulls, more chains, and eight more swords. It doesn't make any sense. It's super hypercritical, but it just sort of depends on, I guess, what your brain picks up on first. And then once you've had that initial reaction, it's, that seems to be it.

You just kind of get stuck on it. So, I mean, to be fair, Deathguard Messi is very different from, oh, look, this thing has a lot of skulls, right? Death Guard Messi is like, wow, look at all the boils and pus and green and sick. Oh, you know, it's the general thing that people often say, which is Warhammer is not every aspect of Warhammer is for everyone, but everyone will find a part of Warhammer that they can vibe with. Oh, sure. Everyone, like, there will be, like, not all of it will be for you, But one of, but some parts of it certainly will.

And like for like for me, for me the sisters one is like the one that I find incredibly, incredibly endearing with just how dumb it is. But then I also play guard, which is like the polar opposite. So I don't know. People are complicated, man. You've got,

you've got everything covered. You've got the wacky and you've got the serious. You are covering all your bases. Which is actually curious because I feel like me and shy might be a little bit, We might come to the same conclusion on this next one. You want to post it, Kirov? You mean the castigator? The castigator.

Oh, yeah. It's, I mean, I like it, but I, this is one where I go back and forth. Oh, that's fine. I have days where I'm like, this is class. And then I have other days where I'm like, oh, the scale of it is kind of weird. I want the turret to be smaller. or like the hull bigger. But then I look at it again and go,

actually, no, I think they've got it. It's an interesting one. It's very predator-like. So basically, it is the same sort of format as the predator that the space means have got. So you have a rhino chassis, you've got sponsens, you have a turret, and in the case of the castor gate, you've also got a hull-mounted gun as well. So the one that I've posted a picture of, you've got three heavy bolters and a battle cannon. I must say I like so me and shy are the same thing I like the castigator it's not my favorite

like I think I think you need the in between right you know like you need to have your normal battle sister just that's like kind of reasonable and generic um the castigator has just enough wacky weirdo filigree and the braziers and shenanigans that I'm okay with it but it's not like way over the top. I am perfectly a minus. Thumbs up for the castigator. Yeah, I like that. I think it's totally fine.

I wouldn't mind if it was a if it had a little more like you know, the sort of like if there was some stained glass behind the pilot, I wouldn't be upset. But you know, it looks great. It looks like a great tank. You know, I have no problem with that.

I would like 3D print a couple like random candles and just like slap them in various parts of the castigator probably. Yeah, it feels like you could use... Just a touch more sister stuff. Just a little bit more. You don't have to go over the top, but yeah, a few candles, maybe a couple more of those little ivory statues on the top or something, but like, that's about it.

Could Lord Curia if you were such an Iron Warriors fan. What I'm talking about? I just think it would be a cool scheme for a castigator. Wait, okay, hold up. Can we roll this back a little bit? That is your kit bash, right? Yeah, that's my... You're sitting here telling me you don't like

Death Guard stuff because it is too messy? No, no, no, no, no. We just had a whole conversation about... That looks very deathguardy. We had a whole conversation about this about how it's all about the personal bits. I know, I know, but still, like... That could very easily be a Deathguard thing.

I need to defend myself. When I said messy, I also said busy. Like, there's a lot of... of stuff on the model. There's a lot of stuff going on, like, physically. Yeah, fair enough. Like, paint job-wise, you know, you can, you can apply a proper grim, dark, like, really grimy paint job to anything. That's totally fine. It's when the actual, like, silhouette of the model is just a mess of lumps. That's what I'm not a fan of. Okay. I got you. I got you. I'll say, though, regardless, that's a great-looking mini and very well-painted. I will

give you that. It's, it's, it's, it was so much time and effort and, uh, it was not good on the table top. So it looks, it looks great, but yeah, I was like, wait a minute, that could very easily be a death card. Yeah, I'm, I'll give you that. It's, I mean, it's just like the cream colored horacee Harrison. Every time you post that picture, Bricky, God, that's so dope. Oh my God. Yeah, that's good. It's really good. Never forget. Never forget him. It's all, you know, it's all independent. Yeah.

I think, I think this mixture of fucking stupidity is, it's half the reason I like 40K so much. You know? You know, let's like, where we're, like, all right, boys. It's time to bring out 2,000 points on the tabletop. Am I going to pick my undead robot Egyptian skeletons? Or am I going to bring out my nuns who win with the power of faith? and belief.

Oh, my world guys with agricultural equipment. Yeah, yeah. Or my giant, agricultural robots turned into nightly orders. Are they going to fight the, um, are they going to fight the football

hooligans, uh, or like, it's just like, it's all bullshit. It's all, that's true. That's true.

That's true. Taking 40K seriously is, uh, is tough. I like the castigator, though. I think, I think it is,

it is more subdued compared to most sister's stuff, but you, you have to have to have a, little bit of more regular to amp up the more ridiculous, in my opinion. Yeah, you got to balance it out a little bit. They can't all be just crazy cathedral worshipping, you know? It does feel like the castigate was like the the perfect middle ground between the new exorcist and the old exorcist. Like the kind of thing of, it's still quite sensible, like quite grounded, but then there's loads of details all over it that just make you really, like, there's no way you can look at it and not

immediately think, oh, that's Sisters of Battle. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, very clearly. But it's not quite in your face as some of the others. So yeah, with the Castagate, you've got a battle cannon or you've got twin auto cannons and the Sponsons are, as far as I remember, but always heavy bolters, which missed opportunity. I feel like you'll be able to slip some heavy flamers in there, right? Yeah, I was going to say, it feels like the sisters would really want to make some heavy flamers on this thing instead of like, you know, heavy bolters, great, love them. But for a sister's vehicle, you got to have a flamer on there somewhere, right?

I'm okay with the full heavy bolters, mainly because I'm thinking if you're going to do a tank like this if you want the Flamer variant you just like run the emulator I guess I see it as a I see it as much more of a what's the word I'm looking for

kind of like it's very much a support gun platform it's three heavy bolters and a cannon a hunter killer and a Pintill Mountain storm bolter it's just like all right this thing sits in the back and it just unleashes hell fair enough

fair enough I think that's fair fair, yeah. And it's also, I'm not going to lie, I may have stolen a few ideas from it for my Lehman Russs in my armour company. So, you know, I can't say I dislike it too much. I lifted parts of it wholesale, because why not? So, we're going to move on from rhino chassis-based vehicles, of which there aren't that many, but I don't know, there's such a, like, weird spread of, you can see the design evolution, can you?

From like the first version to the one we've got now for each one is so wildly different it's really fun to kind of look at what they've gone with for those. We're going to move on to suits

and we're going to go for the Nundam or the Paragon War suit. It should actually give the proper name of it because otherwise that's not helpful is it? No, no, no.

I love the Nundums. The Nundums are great. I don't know anything about them other than their like pseudo, I don't know, actually not baby carriers, but like, yeah, I love the Nundums. I am, I am, Shai. No, Shai's opinion on Nundums is acceptable. I, I'm very torn on Nundums. Oh. They don't, they're not perfect for me.

Like, so like, Grey Knight baby carriers, the Dread Knight, not a fan. I think they look mostly pretty dumb. This is like not as dumb as that. I'm, and so I'm kind of, like, torn. Because there's also Morven Vall, who does look cool. Oh, Morven Vall is so dope. Yeah. Morven Vall looks amazing.

So I'm, I'm, you know what the Nundams need him? They needed more posing options. Oh, do they not pose well? Not particularly. Like, you know, as you can see, Marvin Vahl has like the tiny little hand joysticks beneath. Like, I'm okay with that, but I need them to like, I need you to lift the sword in the air, like the mall and like bring it down.

or like, I don't know. They need to have more posing. Okay. I love the Nundams because it's very, like, it's a very anime move. It's like, I think we talked about it in the last episode, didn't we? How I liked the, the, or maybe we talked about it on a stream or something. I like the loader, because it looks like the thing from aliens that Ripley rides, and it's, it's a very anime motif to have, like, the sort of exosuit, you know,

and I love that vibe. I love that stuff. So I'm all on board for it. I like the loader. I like the nundum. It's all great to me. I think they look cool as hell. I love the idea of having like the exo,

the giant exosuit that lets you be a pseudo robot. I think for me that the main, like the main issue with the nundam is that their arms are out with the joysticks. I don't actually have a problem with that. I think that's fine. But their legs are nowhere to be seen. And that, you can't do both. You can do one or you can like

Oh, right, right. You can't, like, either have them all hidden in like a big carapace or just have them all out in the open, like Grey Knight's style. I say that, no. I'm going to change, no, ignore what I just said. Don't have them all out in the open because the Grey Knight one looks like garbage. It's hot garbage. It sucks.

What, really? I don't mind it. No. I don't mind the Exosuit deal. No, no, no, two out of ten. Yeah. to get the two for the idea, the execution, hot trash, get rid of it, sucks, all execution. All execution.

Yeah. All right, all right. Yeah. Like, either put the sister's arms into the suit or have their legs out or just don't do that and have them fully within the suit. That's the actual correct response to this because it's so close to being good. Like, if they were just a little bit bigger, if the Paragon War suit was just a bit taller, a bit wider, a bit wide, Either a bit chunkier, and all you could see was the head, or ideally it was more of a dreadnought situation, but they could get in and out so it's not just a carbon copy.

That would be perfect. But right now, how do their legs work? Where do their knees go? Do they just have totally straight legs? Do they, like, locked in position? So, Shai posted that picture, and it's like, it's, their legs are just hidden in there, and they're probably just, like, resting on, like, the knees. It's probably like a little, right?

No, you're missing the concept. that if they're like it's resting on the knees but the model has to walk so like when you lift your leg just like stays straight and you're doing like a hamstring pull the whole time like oh no don't get me wrong you literally locked straight your knees are locked 100% of the time you're in the suit don't get yeah don't get me wrong don't get me wrong if i if i go on about the realism of this i would become an immediate hypocrite to what I was just saying earlier. But there is a certain level of like, okay, if you put, if you like lock them in a box, I don't even need to know.

Like don't tell me how who cares they're in a box. Yeah. Electronics or whatever, right? Um, in this situation, they, they've exposed too much to where it's like, oh, that just looks weird. Like, like, your, your brain gives you that uncanny valley and you're like, that just doesn't seem right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There's like layers of acceptability, and then you reach a particular layer, and your brain goes, nope, I'm not. I'm not having that. I just don't like that. It's the same thing with the nemesis dread night for the grey knights, where on paper, I actually don't mind it. But because they introduced it with the idea that the grey knight who is piloting it is protected by an invulnerable force field or some trash. Oh.

And so that's why it's okay for them to be super exposed on the front of it. As soon as I read that, I was like, and I hate it. I hate it now. I would have been okay with it being a bit like a bit less tanky, a bit less chunky, because that would make sense in 40K, when nothing makes sense. I'm fully aware. It's all dumb as hell. But for some reason, there's just like little things where you just go,

I'm just, I just don't feel like that works. And I don't know why, but it just doesn't. And that's, yeah, the Nun Dam and the Nemesis suit, they have the same issue, which weirdly is nowhere near as bad for, I need to give it the proper name, Purgator Maribulus. The fuck? Honestly, it probably should have been like that last picture shy posted where they just

close the whole thing off. Like you can't see the arms, you can't see the head, You can't see the legs. Fully enclosed is way better. Yeah. Yeah. So shout out. Because you can't just have the head poking out because that just looks weird.

But yeah. So shout out to next level painting, which is what that is. That is Kenny Boucher, a friend of dice check and myself. Oh, nice. Great. Insane. Great guy. Ludacris painter.

Oh, yeah. That's amazing. It's unreal. Gets a whole, generally gets a whole lot of really awesome, like other company. like proxy scopes and things like that and makes it into that kind of stuff. But I agree, shy is right.

Like if you told me that that robot there was piloted by a nundum, I just kind of take it for granted. Like I can't, it wouldn't work. Like it doesn't make any sense where they would fit in there. But like,

I don't see them. But it doesn't matter because you can't see any of the faults with this. Yeah. Doesn't throw my brain off. Yeah. You know what I think also nundums

really badly need that would be a killer kit upgrade? like a gigantic Nundum great shield with a big flirtily and the stuff on the front Oh yeah That would that would look

Awesome Really just slam that motif Literally in your face With the yep that would Yeah I'm on board with that I need to go get someone to I'm gonna go find I can find someone who works with Z brush

And we can get this going Get that rolling Yeah sure sure Anyway What was the thing You were talking about the purgator or whatever Yeah, that's just the name for Morvenval's suit.

It has its own name because it's that cool and different. So it's basically just another Paragon war suit except it is stronger. It has a really picky machine spirit and if you are suitably holy and pious enough, it essentially has energy fields, force fields, things that prevent damage from even reaching it in the first place. And it's got built-in missile launchers, which the other suits don't have,

which are like vehicle-level weapons just built into the suit. And her hearing must be gone. Every time she fires those things off, just... Ah! Anyway, go ahead. So, yeah, it's basically just a Paragon War suit, but better. But there's only the one. So everyone else, they get just a normal Paragon warsuit, which is already an insane relic of technology.

But Morvenval gets the extra special one because she's a high lord of terror. So, yeah. I mean, it's so weird, too, because, like, I get, like, I get the whole joystick thing and I don't love it. But then all the art for Morven Vall, like, the joysticks look fine. Like, they look like they work. especially the second one where she's like holding the beads. Like it's, it's so strange.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It can work if it's done right, kind of, but it is so, I don't know. That second one is so good. There's like, I'm sure there's some artistic reasoning for why like your brain sees the first and kind of rejects it, but then the second and doesn't. I'm sure there's some reasoning for it, some human emotion that goes along with it, but whatever the case. Also, she holds a. Sodi's spear, that's awesome. How big is a nundum?

Because in that, in the artwork, it looks massive. But the mini doesn't look like it's that big. Like in the artwork, it is towering over people. Yeah, that second artwork, there's a lot of artistic license going on there because she is borderline warhound size. Yeah, I was going to say, the way she is towering over those Marines, I guess, is like, damn. I think actually, so you can kind of see,

okay, I see what they're done. I see it, okay. It's very like, it's interesting, but also confusing. So you can see underneath the giant version of her is a normal size version of her fighting behind the system of battle. Oh, okay, so that's just the thematic. Yeah, and then they've kind of blown it up as a kind of,

this is a larger than life figure leading the battle from, yeah. Gotcha. Okay. I thought that was just a regular dude under her, and I was like, whoa! She's huge! It's a really powerful suit, it makes her the size of a warlord every time she goes into battle. I found this might be fan art, I don't know, but this scaling looks right. You know, like, she's obviously in the back a little bit.

She definitely goes, she's definitely taller than the Marine by a good margin, but like not by a crazy amount. There's not a whole lot of official artwork of the, of the Paragon. That's that's what I would assume. A little chunkier and a little bigger than a space marine. She would tower over a space marine, but she's still that sort of ballpark size. Yeah. Something that is quite cool about the Paragon suits is the way they've scaled it.

So it's like, I think if they'd scaled it up just a bit but maintain the same proportions, it would work a little bit better. but it's still quite slim it's not like really really chunky or like girthy it's still quite feminine in the way they've done it which I don't know I feel like that fits sisters a lot better

but it also looks really strong it's like a good mix of the two Peregrine suit's got a lot of leg their legs are very feminine like the thigh plates and stuff kind of has a lot of that going on also like more of involved for example Like she's literally wearing a skirt in a sense.

Yeah. There's, I was almost gonna say, I could, I could do with the legs being a little longer, actually. Couldn't we all? My man. My man, let's go.

But yeah, they definitely have taken some artistic concepts to show off like a structure. Like the Paragon War suit has these big broad shoulders in a sense on the top, but like the waist is quite thin. And then the legs, legs kind of shut out more, so it's got kind of like a curvature type thing. There's definitely,

you know, the under the surface artistic talent there that kind of does its own thing. But anyway, shall we talk about something a lot more bad? A lot more horrific. A lot more awful. So let's let's talk about the Peniton engine, which is... Ooh, I know the penitin engine. There's a different versions. There's the first version, which was metal, that looked like this, which I assembled quite a few of, and oh dear God, I hated it, fell apart if you even looked at it wrong, I found, and this was before I knew how to pin things because I was but a wee lad, and then the current version, which is obviously plastic and therefore a lot more easy to work with and resilient.

So, the Penison engine, it's pretty much, it's, it's very much, it's just, pretty much just a torture machine that you stick someone in and they are round full of wires and injection ports for chemicals all stuck in the

heretic spine and when they go into battle they're just fed a load of a load of nonsense when they're out of battle they get fed with stuff that injects feelings of guilt

pain remorse just directly into their spines and their brains so that they feel awful about all the terrible things that they've done and get round to the idea slowly that the only thing that can get them forgiveness is death. So super bright, super cheery. As you can see from the actual picture, you've got a couple of big buzz sores for chopping people into pieces

and a lot of flamer for burning people. Yeah, yeah, and I guess you obviously don't care about protecting the pilot because who cares? It's a heretic in there and, uh, well, this is, this is how you pay your penance. So long as your brainstem still exists in a way, you, like, the rest of you can be blown to chunks. It's, I think it's, oh, really? It's, yeah, so if you look at his head, the face is what's hard. So it's so weird, right?

the Mechanicus have found a way to inject feelings into you. They've made a way to make you like to inject guilt. It's such a strange thing that's like almost a little bit too out there. But yeah, like the dude, unlike the Nunnum, they're not controlling the arms and legs by moving them. Clearly they're not moving them. They're chained down. Yeah. So it's just, it's just some like dude or gala or whoever.

trapped in this thing, screeching their head off in, like, agony. And by doing so, the engine moves forward to kill as much as it can before it dies. So is it just fed off of their just raw emotion then? And it just moves forward via just them feeling guilty and awful and terrible? Pretty much.

It's literally the penitent engine. That's the name. It's drawn by suffering. It's like, oh, yeah, that's right. Imperium, not good. Yeah, the kind of the person who is incarcerated within it wants to die

because if they die, that will earn them forgiveness, so they just charge phase first into anything and everything and just keep killing until something kills them. It's great. It's horrible, but it's great.

That is 40K grim dark to a T. Yeah. Yeah. There's also the mortifier variant, which, if I'm not mistaken, Kyrioth, is a, it's a sister. That it, like, there's, there's two versions. Yeah, there's two versions. There's the one that Shai Post, oh, Shiposed both. Sorry, the first one that Shai posted was the Anchorite, and then the other one is the, is the

mortifier, and the mortifier is basically a Penitent engine, except the, the person who's, like, shoved into it, so to speak. It's a sister Repentia who has committed the worst sin imaginable which is running from battle. So it's the ones who have already sinned

who are stripped of their armor given an eviscerated chain sword and driven towards the enemy to just kill until they either have killed enough or die. If they run away then they are captured, they are placed within a mortifier engine,

and it's basically like a penitent engine, except there's additional things going on where they are fitted with, and I quote, neuro-agonizer arrays. Oh, I don't know what that is, but it sounds bad. It basically makes them loathe themselves even more than the regular heretics that you get in the penitent engine. I believe it actually like sends a signal that stops you from being able to feel redemption.

Because sisters are like, I would like to die in battle and serve the emperor, but this stops you from feeling that good emotion. Oh, good emotion, you know I mean? Yeah, yeah. And so it's like partially that thing. It's like, oh no. One would call it redemption edging. Would one?

So I was thinking of the goon chimera. I was thinking of the goon chimera. And I was like, you know what? We had the goon vehicle. This is the edge vehicle. We're redemption edging. Well, and I guess there would be nothing. Edging for redemption.

There would be nothing worse for like a repensure who's run away than like, you're not even going to die feeling redeemed by the emperor. you're just going to die and you're still going to feel just guilt and nothing. Even in your final moments you don't get to climax. It is literally just edging you. It does get worse. As shy has pointed out because I was about to, before we got into the redemption edging section. So metallic bolts are driven into the repentious bones that leave are unable to move or scream for

death, while the hood placed over her head prevents her from hearing any words of piety that are spoken in her presence, and as they engage in slaughter, all joy that would normally be experienced slain the enemies to the emperor is denied to them, stripped from their minds, and replaced with more pain. The only hope of release from the state of torment is death. Yet, even upon knowing they will soon die, mortifiers still despair at the realization that they will depart unredeemed. Wow. The

Anchorite is if the sarcophagus is similar. The difference is that Except worse. Except worse. These are not repent. So the idea is that the Morifier is a repensia that fled.

An anchorite is repentia that betrayed their fellow sisters, which is really bad. Even worse. Yeah. They're in the torture sarcophagus. And this actually saves them from being killed often in

battle, and so often it'll take like years to decades trapped in there before you finally fall in battle. Oh, man. So they just really prolong the edging in the sarcophagus. To an insane degree. So the sarcophagus is adamantine, so nothing can really destroy it. It takes a lot of like concerted effort to destroy it. So they really want you to survive and just really just drown in it and just, oh boy, that

is rough. That's, oh. You'll die before you nut. Why in the hell as a repensia would you ever think to run away or betray your sisters if you know that's your fate?

You've already screwed the pooch by being a repensia because you've probably done something awful. Why would you make it worse? The same reason everyone who does this stuff does it? Because the I don't want to die with it. Well, yeah, I guess.

So, yeah. Yeah, it's like tax fraud. Yeah. You can get away with it. Shoplifting, I don't know. I guess so, but it just seems like a really bad idea to even try it. Like, just... All right, okay, hang on.

Look, one second. So, shy has posted a picture of a very well-painted... That's someone's custom paint job of a purple emulator. All right, Shai. Like, don't... But it's the thing. You read this grim, grim, dark horror, and then see shit like this, and it doesn't really compute in your head.

I just look at that and go, I wish I could paint that well. I forgot to you, actually. I forgot the rest of it. That purple is gorgeous. That color is incredible. It's so nice. It's so good. That's such a smooth paint job. Hot damn.

Right? Yeah, it is. It's really. That's good. Isn't this the one that Luton works with, Siege Studios? I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, UK company.

That's why, this is why I love it. Nothing to me is funnier than a swatier. than a swath of like a funeral procession with pipe organ tanks running alongside people trapped in torture devices. It's just, it just gets me, man. It just tickles me. It's good. It's good. I like, yeah.

It's just right. It's just right. It's just dumb enough. It's just dumb enough to work. But the mortifiers are pretty cool. They're often equipped with heavy bolters if I really enjoy. I really enjoy it because I think in tabletop right here

the Morifiers all hit on threes because they're sisters they're a little bit better than the penitents but they have their own thing I think if you have a sarcophagus you get like a three-ups save much like Space Marines

as opposed because you're in the adamantium thing coffin is hardy so if you're playing sisters on the tabletop you probably want to run like a bunch of these

torture devices then right Because, like, I mean, lore-wise, you don't want to be in one. But, like, the adamantine anchorite one, like, isn't that something you'd want to run on the tabletop unless it costs, like, an obscene amount? Well, you know, the video or the gameplay of Warhammer often is balanced in a way to make it balanced, not because, you know, like, if it was balanced lore-wise, necrons would win every goddamn thing. Yeah, true, true. But anchorites pretty... So loosely correlates, isn't it? Yeah.

Anchorites and stuff pretty good. Like penitentent engines, pretty good tabletop. Curiauth, when you fought sisters, do you remember which detachment they took? The new one? It was the one that had a lot of the jump infantry. I remember that. Ah, Army of Faith. Okay.

Yeah. So there was a lot of the procession of St. What's the face. Trying to St. Catherine? Yeah, just getting Miracle Dice over and over and over again. And things charging into stuff and me going, well, this is a super heavy tank. What do I have to worry about?

Oh, dear, it's dead now. That's a real shame. That kind of experience. So obviously you're playing pre-points, which was like, basically they were running like 2,400 points to you, whatever it is now. I did a game with the Penitent host, the one where you get a bunch of buffs for Repentia

and mortifiers and penitin engines. Let me tell you. So, like, they're decent. I actually think they're maybe a little bit overpriced at the current point. costs. They're like 70, 75 each. That is kind of pricey, isn't it? It's a bit much for what they are. But I will, and Kiroath will get this. So the triumph has that aura of plus two inch to move and plus one advance and charge. So you pick the penitent thing that gives you plus three inch move.

So your penitent engine moves eight, plus three for 11, plus the triumph for 13. There's a strat that gives you an auto six advance, plus one for the triumph. So you're moving 20 inches and then because you have the triumph you get a free six miracle dice and penitent engines get advanced in charge so I like the first turn I was just like all right here's my penitent engines

they're going to move 20 and then flame you and I'm using the six to auto charge it was so like it's so they're pretty good it's so they're pretty good well this is this is hilarious as a concept it's not

like constant. I don't think it's like the strongest is it, but it's like it's very, very fun and it's very thematic and for a little while there it worked quite well. Yeah, it was very goo, it's very goofy, it's going to slam something into their front line, but like it doesn't always. And to be fair, that's what they're supposed to do. Laura Wise, right? They're supposed to just run in there and just start flaming and hacking stuff into little bloody bits, right? So like, it's kind of thematic and what they're supposed to do. I mean, compared, Comparatively, they, like, Sisters of Battle don't have that much in a way of, like, proper long-range, like, anti-tank and stuff.

Unless things have drastically changed since I last looked at a codex, things like the idea of a tactical Marine squad with four last cannons, for instance, not tactical, devastator. Like, for sisters, it's like, you've got a lot of heavy melters, you've got heavy flamers, you've got melters and flamers, you've got bolters, you kind of sort of not like limited. but they really like burning people to death. And the army list kind of reflects that. You're, you know. Outside of the Castigar and Exorcist, your effective shooting range is 12 inches and nothing more. Okay, okay.

For the most part, or 24 inches, more like, I'd say. But like, yeah. It's super thematic. It's a very close range of me. Yeah. Okay. It's fun. And it clarifies well with the vehicles of the sisters

because they're all, you know, it's like, all right, what's the sister's deal? It's bolters, melters, and melee. That's their shtick. And so the castigator brings the bolters, and it has a gun, but it's like three heavy bolters. The emulator brings the flamers, the rhino transfers the melee,

and then you've got the melee murder engines. And like the penitent engines only can carry three guns, really, and you pick between the heavy bolt with a heavy flamer and the multi-melta. And it's like, it all kind of fits, right? Yeah. Okay. They do a few things, but they do them very, very, very well.

Yes. Yeah. That's my, that's, you know, I, I love, they're arguably my favorite army to play just because of their, their aesthetic is just, it's just so funny to me. But they're so, they're so unique feeling. Like, they're clearly an Imperium faction, but they, they operate so different. What they, it's no, like before a long time ago, they were just the, the female space marines, like the, the, the, the power armor girls as opposed to the guys. But I think they've really,

that's one of the reasons why I like the aesthetic so much is because I think they've carved out their own niche. Whether you like it or not, it's like, you can't deny that they have a very identifiable look to them. And I think, I like that. I like that.

It's, they've very kind of gone to their own. Yeah. I wish GSC did this more. I think GSC needed, needs a bit more of like the uprising kind of vibe to it. it, I think they need to go harder. I think they need to go harder into the revolutionary kind of thing and less hard into

like the abhuman. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's obviously GSC, but like I want more, like the aberrance that have like a stop sign to like beat the show of you with. Like I need more of that stuff. It's really fun. Fewer miners and dirt bike riders and more dudes wielding the thing that they just picked up out of the floor to kill them. someone with. Yeah, like a few more. I want some, I want some, I want some, like,

Bolshevik looking vibes. Like, I want some, I want some weird kind of early uprising, just revolutionaries, you know? Okay, okay. What we really need is, more Grot revolutionaries. That's what we need. That would be... You're right. We do. You're right. That would be amazing. That's what we need. Well, unfortunately. We haven't had nearly enough Grot boss stuff going on, you know. Clearly, we need more. Yeah, what's the next vehicle, Kyria? So, Shai has, I think.

Since we've kind of gone a little off the rails. Shai set me up perfectly here. Because Shai said, I think they just go a bit too far into Grimdurpe and Goofy with their theming sometimes. Like if we ever move on and talk about mobile cathedrals, that's proper theming. So we're going to cover two things. We're going to do the arguably grimed up and goofy first. which is the pulpit of St. Helene's Basilica, which...

All right. Look, I've been on board with a lot of goofy stuff so far. That's... You have crossed the line. All right, that's... It's an anti-grave platform with heavy flamers underneath it. That has Junith Erut. I can't pronounce it.

Junich Yeruta, I think is how it's pronounced. Thank you. So she's the canoness superior, and she floats around on this weird thing all day. Okay. And it's, yeah, it's literally a floating platform with the two-headed eagle and heavy flames attached to it, which have skull, like, skeleton guys holding onto it. I love the skeletons. Sure.

I love the skeletons so much. At that point, why not? look I will grant you the skeletons holding on to the guns are fine that looks great everything else is just like nah yeah there's there's another there's another another picture of an artist of the of the artwork that like damn it can go hard despite how dumb it looks I just even in that picture it just doesn't look right the like the actual like big double it's just yeah it's dumb I'm sorry that one I can't get behind you know what it is it's the total lack of

Antigrav, like, by and large across the Imperium. Yeah, the Primaris have got Antigrav stuff, but they also have, like, very recognisable, this is how you know that, like, the repulter is hovering. There's big like metal plates all along the side of the vehicles and stuff. Whereas

this bloody pulpit, it's just like... It's just floating. Yeah, it's like, here's a transparent flight stand. That's how you know it's supposed to be up there. And I don't like that. I want to see some, like, weird, like, arcano tech, like, oh, where did this

even come from? There's a weird generator on the back. Hell, give it eight spider legs, and I'm 100% in. I'm 100% in on that. Right now, it just looks kind of goofy. You know, okay, you know what I think it needs?

It needs like eight cherubs lifting it up. Like the Trivus St. Catherine's coffin. It's just being carried by cherubs. I don't know, dude, a whole bunch of cherubs on the side with chains, like, like, carrying it in that way. I don't know. Okay, don't get me, this one's weird for me.

Every day, I flip-flop. I'm like, I love this stupid piece of shit. And the next day, I'm like, God, that thing is stupid. And then the next day, I go right back into it. I have massive cognitive dissonance on this model. I have no idea. Yeah, for me, it's just a no. It just looks, I can't.

It's, for me, it's kind of a mix of things. where it's not clear enough, like, what's going on. It also is like a centerpiece model, but then you've got the triumph of St. Catherine. It's insane and brilliant. And then it's like, and also, here's a woman on a platform. And it's like, okay, great, awesome. What else is there?

Nothing. That's it. It's just this. It's just that. And when this looks less impressive than the immolator, that's not great. you want it to be more interesting, like more impressive,

more kind of attention grabbing than that, and I just don't think it is. And yeah, for me it falls into the same kind of category as Logan Grimnard's Santa Slay, where it's like, okay, I see what you were going for,

but the execution, it's not it, it's just not it. I like the Santa Sled. We can't talk about the Travis St. Catherine, though, because it's technically an infantry model. It's true. It's not actually a vehicle. It's just a bunch of, it's just a bunch of people

carrying a coffin, but it's the best. That's true. That wouldn't be a vehicle with it. It's so good. It's my favorite model in the whole game, in the whole game. I mean, that's pretty great. The Silent King is close, though. But like, yeah, he's so good. You know, I kept thinking of other reasons why I feel like the pulpit needs more stuff. I feel like it needs, like, things surrounding it. I was looking at the artwork piece, and I'm seeing all the cherubs, but I also see her, like, holding up a servo skull book. I'm assuming, like, giving a sermon. I was just thinking, you know, she has this big thing of Flamers. Can you imagine if she had, like, six cherubs just floating around her buzzing like a, like a drone swarm, just holding Flamers.

And they just kind of follow her around like this like, go out my children. They all fly out and just start burning shit. I don't know. That would be way better. It kind of has, like, it needs something like around it. It's too structural. It's missing the kind of like, the grandiosity of all the other Santa Pea stuff.

Yeah. Like, everything else is super decorative and ornamentative. And then you've just got, like, it's just a woman on a floating thing. And it's like, where's all the extra stuff? Mm-hmm. I think it's just like, it's just that it's the big aquila. Like, it's the big double-headed.

Like, it's, that just doesn't, that's, that's, that's, feels like that's Imperium, sure, but it just, it doesn't feel sisters. It just feels like, oh yeah, look, here's the big... It feels sisters for me, but I know what you're trying to say. Yeah, it just doesn't... It's just this big, goofy-looking eagle thing, and it's just, it doesn't do it for me, like, at all. See, I think it's very much, I think it's very much a sisters thing.

I think it's just, for me, it's, I think it's the, what's the phrase I'm looking for? what Kiryath said. It's just, she's just standing on a pedestal. It is a circular flat pedestal. The two skeletons holding the flamers are doing a lot of heavy lifting for the aesthetic in this thing. Yeah, literally. Yeah, they are awesome. It needs, it needs more of that. It needs more of something. It's just, it's cool. It has all the motifs, but I think it's like the structure, the, the, the, how it kind of builds out. That's just a bit weird, you know? Yeah, yeah. Something that doesn't help for me is that when I started playing, you saw quite a bit of this guy.

So this is Inquisitor Karamazov. Oh, this guy. What the hell? Has the throne of judgment. And it's basically a dreadnought chassis, but instead of being a Marine encased in the dreadnought, the dude is just riding it on his own personal throne. And he's got a guy on one side

who reads out the sins and crimes and sins. sentences of the people he comes across, and then he's got a servitor on the other side that fires a triple-barreled melter into people. And I'm just like, if you're going to do a person on some sort of like roving pulpit, this is the bar. The bar is this guy. The bar is this Inquisitor who is an absolute lunatic, and it's probably something to get into another episode, but he's a maniac, right?

that to me is way more impressive than Juneth what's the face it just it's just got more presence it's more interesting it's more fun it's more threatening there's more like visually going on and he's old AF I don't know I don't like that so my issue is the model the model is trash it's old as shit and I think it's all metal Oh, it's ancient. Okay. Because I was going to say, it looks like a dread not made out of paper.

See, it's so weird. D.K., you haven't seen Embertaxist speech. And, like, half of that show revolves around this guy. Oh, does it? It does. So there's a lot of that, like, we have to kind of scoot past here that people are probably going to want us to mention, but, like, we can't. Okay. But, but I kind of get the vibe.

There's a lot more going on. There's a lot more shenanigans. You know, you know what makes me think. of, and should I say this earlier, it looks like she's just staring off a balcony thinking about pies. That's kind of my mind is she's way up on the top of a balcony and then and she, and then she's like staring out at the battlefield and then it's like, wait a minute, what's going on down there? They need help. And then the balcony just attaches and like starts flying down with her. That's kind of like the vibe I'm getting, you know? I don't know. Anyway, um, yeah,

no, I, I see what you mean. Also, yeah, I, for, for Karamazov, his, His miniature is ancient. Like, he got rules in third edition, so we're talking 2001, 2003 sort of time. So, yeah, he's, he's old. That Karamazov quote is something else. There's no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!

Wow. All right. All right, cool. Nutter. Absolute nutter. Okay. We have one last thing. There's not really anything in the way of rules for this.

There's no model for it. It's simply mobile cathedrals. Oh, yeah. I've seen the mobile cathedrals before. Yeah. Is that the best... Are there more pictures of them? There's not very many, to be honest.

There's not that many. I still want them to make a miniature of these, but they never will because the scale is insane. But, yeah, effectively it is just a massive, like, it's technically a vehicle. It's more a building on tracks or legs or like grab repulcers. And they house like hundreds or thousands of troops and they're plastered and weapons. and they constantly blast hymns and sermons all day every day. They're great.

So this is just your mobile fortress? Pretty much, pretty much, yeah. Tarioth, you're aware of the knights drop keeps, right? Vaguely, yeah. Okay, well, that'll be when we talk about knights, but basically knights literally, if they need to deploy on mass, will drop a cathedral. like a castle called a drop keep.

Like it's a keep. And then they unfurl when it lands, it unfurls a bunch of banners, blairs the horns of the Titans nightly house at full volume, and giant drawbridges land on the ground and about like 20 nights just stride out and start beating people.

Oh. It's hilarious. This is why I imagine. And they just dropped that out of a spaceship? Pretty much. Oh, yeah. I mean, those spaceship holds in 40Kik can hold like a thousand nights. You know, they're so big.

I mean, when they drop Titans, they like, they drop coffin ships. So they'll go to a planet. They'll drop a, effectively a city-sized building, dump it down, and then a warlord Titan will just walk out of it. I mean, that's true. I have never really asked or wondered how a Titan or, one of these cathedrals got deployed on a place not near the forge world that makes them. Now I know, they just drop a fortress with them on the battlefield.

Just chuck it down there, and if anyone's in the, in the, like, the hot zone. Squish. And they've gone. Have they ever been like, oh, yeah, let's just drop the mobile fortress on an enemy encampment because what are they going to do? Oh, they must have done, surely. There was definitely, there, mobile cathedral's the enunciation engines,

aka loudspeakers. So there was the talk about that in the, the night drop keep thing where if they ever need to like fully cut off in a person's supply lines, they'll drop like nine in a row. Wow. And so then you basically just, you just decide to build like a castle in between your,

your enemy's supply lines. Yeah. And then of course, like 20, any giant stompy robots come out and murder all you and all your friends. It's such a good solution. Okay, what we're going to do to take this city? Well, what we'll do is build our own one just outside by throwing it down from orbit. That'll be fine.

Let's do that. Well, yeah, explain to me what you plan to do about it. Chaos. Yeah. Give me your solution. But obviously they can't do that for like, every battle because, you know, that's an expensive proposition just dropping nine keeps to cut off a supply line. Like, that's a last resort, right?

Yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah, it costs a lot of nights. It costs a lot of stuff. But this is also, you know, this is also the Imperium we're talking about. Yeah, it's just 40K. They don't care. They'll just drown enemies in a tidal wave of their own blood if it works. It's whatever.

That's the guard plan, those big phonies. Anyway, is there anything else we're missing? I feel like that's the last one. That is pretty much the last one. There is like a special bonus one, which is the most obscure thing, but I'll throw it out there anyway, just in case there is one vehicle that we haven't touched on. It's a rhino variant, and it's called the Incarcerator, and I saved it for last because it is very difficult to find documentation of this

because it showed up in a special like battle report thing of white dwarf for the witch-hunter's codex of third edition for a special scenario where the sisters of battle were capturing someone and transporting them back to their fortress. It's just the jar meme. Yeah, it's just the jar. It's just the jar. It's the poemobile.

And it featured in a little special scenario. run with your witch hunters. Oh my God. So I thought I'd save that for last. Oh my God, because this is third edition, so it was all so much more heavily narrative. So they actually did a jar solution because the top

of that thing probably could come off and you could actually take your opponent's model and most likely put it in the fucking jar. Oh, well, funnily enough, so the prisoner is a heretic, but they're also a psycher. So you had a

D6 role for their psychic response. to being in the thing. Was one of them like they lose their minds and blow up? Sure, it must have been, right? How did you know? On a one, the powers of the warp are too much for his feeble mind, and his head bursts in a spectacular eruption of raw warp energy, placed the large blast template centered on the prisoner,

all models under the template suffer a single strength three AP-nothing hit, models partially covered a hit on a four plus, the prisoner is removed as a casualty. So yeah. All right, all right, all right. Could it blast out of it on like a six or something? So on a six, basically the prisoner would absolutely obliterate something. You'd use scatter dice to decide where a blast marker was put down

and anything in between that would get hit. And if they failed a leadership test, they would just be removed because their brains melted. What's a two to five? Is it just like nothing happens? They're fine. Two to four, no response. It's all fine.

On a five, the psycher channels his powers into a powerful burst and attacks his former captors. The psychic blast is treated as a range 18 strength three AP2 assault three strike and will automatically hit the closest non-vehicle witch hunter models. lovely so yeah that's that's kind of cool very nice and very fun I kind of like that more narrative vibe to be honest with you but

yeah the narrative parts yeah the narrative parts of 40k were amazing for that stuff and making those great like moments and craziness but it also made the games about two times as long and had 9000 more arguing bits

about like oh god How long can my turret see you? Can it not see you? No, I'm firing at the side of your Lehman Rust. No, it's the front. Blast templates. It's 1850, like 1850 was the, like that's how many points you generally went for.

So you'd have 1,850 points each side for a game. And it would take all goddamn day. Yeah. All day. Like I distinctly remember. As opposed to now where it's like games are like hour and a half, two hours. No, they're like three hours. Yeah, you can get one out in three hours.

But it was literally like, I remember distinctly going to, like, every couple of weeks, there'd be a big meetup of players in where I live. And all Saturday we'd game. All Saturday, it'd be 40K all day. And by all day, I mean one game, most likely, with a lunch break, a time in the afternoon for a snack. and then we'd go home at like six o'clock. And it was just like, I feel like this could be quicker,

but then it never was. It never got quicker. Until the new additions came out, yeah. You can have both. You can realize that those days were really problematic and led to a million arguments and blast templates in vehicle facing as good God. But you can still appreciate the love of the narrative games

that you were having at the time. Sure. It was a great fun. It just took a while. It did. It took a long, long, long time. I'm obviously a bigger fan of the current model, 40K, though I do think we've gotten a little bit too far away from some flavor. And so I think we might want to correct course correct the teensy bit.

But I will never, ever, if you see me say bring back armor facings, you know that someone has taken over my body. The jeans dealer colts are arriving. Okay, we'll know that an imposter has arrived. Got you. Not these days. No. Well, Kiroioth... The body snatchers got you.

Oh, Kriot, I gotta be honest. This is a great episode best you've ever done. No bias whatsoever. Oh my God. I would have never thought that Bricky would like this. There he goes. Destroying the podcast again. He's doing it.

Come on, man. You can't, you can't say that and expect me not to be sarcastic back at you when you are showing obvious bias for your favorite. What am I supposed to do? Not breathe? Listen, I mean, well, it'd save us all a lot of problems. Would it really... Oh, my God.

Gosh, you'll know. I ask you, in earnest, would it? You don't honest anything of this podcast. Hey. No, no, unironically, I think of the factions, sisters have been one of the ones that GWs handled the best in the past three editions, eight through tenth. And I really like, along with like, well, Necron's rules have not always been good. But I do love a lot of, like, the model theming and stuff, you know. Let's be honest, God knows, it took them long enough, didn't it?

Yeah, good point. It really did. They finally found their groove. Yeah, they handled them better than fucking custodies. That's for certain. Oh, yeah. I'm glad Necrons aren't just Terminator stand-ins anymore. Same.

Some people miss that. I think they're crazy. Really? Necrels are so much cooler now than just like... We're going to have words. Let's, shy, we need to stop this. Oh, no. This is going to be like another.

All right, anyway. So great episode, Kierath. I really enjoyed it. I have no bias towards sisters, thought it was great, loved all the vehicles. It's always a great time to have you here, Kirae. Great, great seeing you. I'll have you back on for when it's, Bricky and Kirof talk about the gameplay of Warhammer. The brand new series. The brand new series. I never come back out. Can I be there too? I want to learn about the tabletop. I think that learning about the table top's fun. Well, you know, at D.K., you can be in the corner taking poison damage. Okay So every few seconds Goethe I got you A bit of like

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