Adeptus Ridiculous - Space Mom Explains Space Marines (poorly) | Warhammer 40k Lore with Rebecca Ford

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://shop.orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousRebecca Ford, Creative Director of Warframe from Digital Extremes is here with the boys to discuss Warhammer 40k & Fantasy and what she thinks 40k is from a point of view of a well adjusted person with life. Hilarity insures. Support the show

Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamante's, his name is Bricky. And today we have a very special guest, Rebecca Ford from Digital Extreme from Warframe. But before we get into that, if you enjoy today's episode and maybe you want to support us monetarily, heading over to the Patreon. Patreon.com slash Adeptist Ridiculous, where you can access to the Discord, bloop as if they happen. $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in crispy digital form. Patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous.

Also, Bricky, it is a great day to have Reb here because we have a new poster. It was a perfect time. Also, hi, Reb. How are you doing? Hi, everyone. Honor to be here. I can't wait to know about this poster and why it's perfect for me. Is it sexy? You've never seen our posters, have you? I have. Didn't Halas used to do them? Or does Halas still do it? Oh, then yes, of course I know them. I mean, I guess I would say It's a very good guess

To assume it would be a sexy poster, yes Not all of them are Some of them are I saw one with a lot of blood and bones So now I want to know who's been Who's been Oh my Oh

Oh that's not the poster Yeah that's not the post That's just that's just showing That's indeed a massive Warhammer fan Which is fair As we all have been at one point or another What did I say? Warhammer

Sheesh, the brain run. It's just... What would assume they're interested in both kinds of war? Large amounts of war, whether it's frames or hammers or anything in between. Either way, right? Indeed, indeed. Okay, let's see the poster. I want to see it.

Poster. There's your poster. God damn it. What? It's a good poster. I think they really knocked it out of the park with this one. God. The classic case of, um, of,

of a character and fan art of the character. Right? I think that's pretty good. It's Gorge, Hornet, number one. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Wait, okay, I'm shy. Can I ask for a quick, a very quick adjustment to the poster

before we end up giving it out and sending it to all the people and having it purchasable at Orkidate.com at this ridiculous link in description. Um, uh, can we please change it from Synapse song to synap skong?

Skong? Skong. Come on. What's, wait, I don't get it. Reb, would you like to enlighten?

No, I don't, it's not my job. I'm not an employee of this podcast. Goodness gracious. Skong is, is the meme

that they called Silk Song. They would call it Skong. It's for the memeers. It's not, it's not inappropriate. It's just like to show that you're part of the meme community for Silk Skong.

Yeah, it's like, it's like saying, you know, why didn't Skong come out earlier? Is she stupid? Like, you just know you're part of that group, you know? Okay. Not cool. Yeah, exactly. It's like a call sign for being a huge fucking nerd. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't even beat Hollow Night.

I made it like halfway through. And then Metroidvania's make my brain hurt because lots of backtracking and I never got around to finishing it. I mean, Soxon currently is certainly, uh, certainly explode in. for a lot of people. Big game and naturally what better time to get humorous synapse song than currently down in the description. For those of you who forget, we are having a major sale, a bunch of last chance items currently available. You can get up to 20% off the whole store if you purchase up to three plus items and everything there. Doesn't matter what items they are, just three plus of anything. Dice, hoodies, posters, stickers, Warhammer mats, subjective markers,

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It's skong. It's, I've been skonging for like six years now. Really? No, not really. I didn't think you would have been two in on like Silkslang. It doesn't seem like you're a jam. Hollow Knight is a very good game.

I think the soundtrack. Oh, the soundtrack is phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. I think I am not the biggest Metroidvania person either. I think Hollow Night is a fantastic game that is elevated substantially by the fact that it is $15, which is an insane price to content ratio. I mean, you guys are selling a. subscription to this podcast for $15.

So, you know, I'm not going to make a comparison there in value, but. Yeah, but I'm allowed. Access to all of our posters in digital format, Red. Crispy digital formats. Yeah. Well, I'm joking. I'm joking.

I'm just here for a good time. I'm here. Hey, hey, I never said we were better than Team Cherry. In fact, I would argue we are worse. I would argue you're worse. I will take that to court. You see, here's the idea, though, is that you spend the money on the Patreon for W. Ridiculous to watch while you play Silk Song.

Skong. Skong. Anyway, skonging my shit aside. Welcome to the podcast, Reb. How you doing? Long time, no C. I know. This is great.

I'm so excited. I think Warhammer is my most, like, um, idealized entertainment product on planet earth and I'm excited to finally talk about it. That's a fascinating string of words for that sense. I'm very curious to pick your brain on that one. Well, luckily, you have me for almost an hour and a half to do just that. Heck, yeah. A little bit of history that I think might be enjoyable.

Reb, you are very well acquainted. I guess I was back in the day as well, but mostly with shy and D.K. in the olden days, would you like a little history lesson to put together? Oh, I'd be happy to unless D.K. wants to take out the textbook chapter one of ancient history for war. No, you go ahead. I'll let

you dust off the tome. All right. As many things are subject to the abuse of time, so too are gamers. And no one is more aware of this timeline than people that have played

Warframe, because as of this year, it's been around for 12 years. And And in that time, people have come and gone, staying nerds the whole way through. And I have worked on Warframe for 14 plus years now. And in that time, D.K. and shy and even Bricky would join the Warframe update hype cycles. They'd play it. They'd grind it. They'd do shit posts. They'd do deep lore dives. And we have, I like to think we've stayed in touch throughout it all. And many people think that, They've solved the case of if I'm shy in real life or not. And we'll leave that as a mystery for now. Oh, I thought it was confirmed you are the same person. Correct.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's not a mystery. It's just fact. Yeah. Very, very busy job, not only handling this entire podcast, but also, you know, creative director of Warframe, naturally, very important to combination jobs.

What is your title involving Soulframe, if you don't mind me, Um, number one muse and inspiration to the Soulframe team, I believe is what they say. Fantastic. Yeah, I am, yeah, I think that's about it. I think that's accurate. Okay, okay. I wasn't quite sure because I know obviously creative director of Warframe that that's the, the title. It goes on the LinkedIn, all the good stuff.

Yeah, they threw me in space. I guess you could say Soulframe is the age of Sigma to R40K, if you will. Oh. No. The old world to our Wanda. You see, I am 40K, I am in space, and they are in the old world with the age of Sigma. So there you have it.

You know, that's actually, okay, so the topic for today's episode is Reb from Warframe explains Warhammer to us. And then we allow, we allow the times to go through. I mean, we have all, all of us here have learned quite a bit in our, in our five plus years of this podcast, mainly due to the fact that, um, definitely started this podcast thinking, thinking we knew a little bit more than we did. Well, not D.K. D.K., which is long for the ride. Wow. Whoa.

You didn't join the podcast knowing anything. That was the whole point of the podcast. True, true. I, I have, my knowledge has grown infinitely because, you know, you know nothing. And yeah. It's so fun. And I will, I think my qualifications for the, for the listeners here are such that I have been infatuated and absolutely idealized the Warhammer mythos, the pantheon, purely as an absolute, like I have touched, I have grasped, I have walked into games workshops, I have sat in my friend's basements as they've played. I have received on loan the Xenos, book, you know, from the Eisenhorn series. And it's just like, it's so fascinating to me. Ages, like, I've made, I've made some miniatures of my own. But like, do I know anything about 40K? Absolutely nothing. Age of Sigma is what I know. 40K is to me the pinnacle and peak of just

relentless, beautiful, bleak, dark, intense wonder. And I did play a little bit of dark tide. I played a bit of vermin tide. And other than that, all I know is that the emperor of mankind is my type. He's my, he's my man. So I am, that's me. That's, that's all I know. And I know nothing else. So, yeah.

Okay. This would be good, then. Okay. The, um, there's actually, I actually had a very, uh, a bizarre question that I, I wanted to kind of get into a little bit, a little bit later. It's a bit more along the lines of the mythos and the kind of thing there. mainly the correlation between fantasy and sci-fi realms, especially considering Warframe's style of,

not just content, but universe. I'd be very kind of curious to pop into that a little bit, just as a concept later on. But for now, Reb, explain to us what 40K is. Let's just jump into it. Let's just do it. D.K., I want you to, I want you to help fill in gaps as you may. Oh, I get to help fill in gaps because obviously we're the experts, right?

Well, you're the novice, right? I want, I want, I want Reb to do the majority of the heavy lifting here. And, you know, I want you just lend a helping hand when things happen. You don't have to be right. I suppose you lend it helping them. Don't correct me. Don't, don't correct me. Everything I'm going to say is wrong.

I understand. But this is, okay, I want you to treat this like I, I fetishize it without understanding it. Like, I truly have no idea about anything. And to me, it's that, it's that, like, I cannot touch it. I cannot gaze upon it. I am wrong about facts and lore. But this is what it looks like to me.

And I'm going to start it as like, I'm just going to start with space marines. Like, that's where we're going to start because to me, that has been marketed to me the most. So looking through space marines as the, like, this is our starting point. where I'm just a guy with a big gun and I'm shooting bugs. That is where my 40K. So, and then, like, we're going to talk about, uh, the fact that I think I have three bullet holes in my head.

I don't know what those are. Maybe they're magnets for my helmet. I don't know. So let's, I'm going to, I'm going to say because it's a little bit futuristic, um, that, uh, those three dots on my helmet. Do I smoke a cigar or two? I think I do. I do.

Sorry, I'm assuming just so I'm clear, the three dots you're referring to like how Titus from the Space Marine series has those like dots on his forehead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe they're magnets for his helmet to stay on is my guess.

But I'm gonna say that I have all space marines have magnet skulls for their helmets to stay on. Otherwise the bugs might rip them off. with their bug claws. Is this, this is canon,

so this is my understanding so far. D.K. thoughts on this? I mean, it's, that's that, hey, I have thought the exact same thing

about the little dots on their head and feeling like, you know, that would be, if you had enough of them, you could absolutely just magnetize

that helmet right onto your dome. Or if you had like a, a mask, and you had a lot of those, uh, bips on your face, you could totally just thump on the air. So, you know, I don't think she's too far off base here, Bricky.

I really like to I'd like to ask about the cigar thing. I really want to know where the cigars. I think I have confused StarCraft 2 with space marine. Yes, okay.

I think I have made a grave error insofar as I have I wasn't going to drop a Sarah Carragon. We're not that much of an idiot, but yeah, the cigar is not. Oh, wait, you know what? We're going to stick with it. We're going to, yes, Starcraft is a Warhammer ripoff. That's fine.

Yeah. So, I mean, it's kind of like tyrannids and Zurg. I see it. And, yeah, like Eldar and Prodos. Like, I guess I get it. So, yeah, that guy. I forget. Jim Raynor.

What's his name? Jim. No. Is it's named Titus? No, his name's Jim Rainer, I thought. Jim Reiner. Jim Rear is the hotter guy. This is like the big lug like meathead dude. Yeah, but he's got a cigar. He thought, well, they both, they do both smoke cigars. It's, is it Titus? I swear it's Titus. His name is not Titus. There's no freak in way.

You know, I've seen that. It's Tychis. Tychus. Tychus Finley. Finlay. That's right. He's the dude that carries around the big mini gun. He's, he's Jim Rayner's buddy. that wasn't his buddy at the end. I feel like I've seen this Starcraft picture so many times and it never dawned on me that he was smoking a cigar and how absolutely insane it would be to smoke a cigar

inside of your space helmet that you breed the air in from. This is what I thought space marines did. So let's start there that they all have a crippling addiction to, well, here's the problem. Who makes the cigars in the 40K universe? Because the art of cigar making would have, like the way I see 40K is if human. as they seem to consider themselves the best.

Like, they need to get their cigars from somewhere. So, like, I think what I know about space marines is that there's actually, like, sub-gilds within them. So, like, there, I know there's some that are called, like, the Ravens or something. And by I say, I know, I mean, I don't actually know. But I know there's, like, other armies within the space marine armies. Like, maybe there's 12. Am I on? Are there 12?

There are 12. Are there really? Okay, yeah. Not a, like, like minimum. Minimum, oh no. There's at least 12. There are at least 12. Okay, but do they all like each other or are they true?

No, they don't. They hate each other because that fan-made movie I watched, like they kind of don't like each other sometimes. There's like the Ravens, maybe. I'm not sure. Fan-made movie? I don't know how to pronounce it, because I don't know how to pronounce it, I've only ever seen it in writing, and I can't say it out loud.

The one that had the CG one with the trailer, and it's so freaking cool. A Starz? Yeah, and it makes you want to be one. Ah, okay. So Astardis, the Staris fan film is how you determine that the Space Marines don't like each other. Well, no. I'm just saying there's many of them because one of them had a red helmet and one of them had a black helmet, I think. And they were doing different things.

True, true, true. Okay. Sorry, they might like each other sometimes. But I think they, I don't know if they put their differences aside or if they're just specialized. Like, I'm not 100% sure on if they are. Okay, yeah. So this guy I'm looking at right now looks like he might be the boss of the best of the bad guys in the space marine faction, I would say, based on his look. Does he mean he is.

Yeah. That helmet looks very sort of Darth Vader or like pig snout. Yeah. But if I'm honest, I think the greatest paradox of the space marine as a cohort is that they are at once the most interesting but also the most boring of the 40K. Because there's also just like freaks and there's like freakishly freaks that I just want to like spend my time with. Like, I believe they used to be called Dark Elves. Is that? And now they're called Jakari.

Did they change their name? Is this true? I, so I'm, wait, don't correct me. Don't correct me. This is what I'm okay with. Dark El Dar. Very clear. El Dar.

Right. The dark El Dar. But. Which means elves are like, you know. Yeah. The Elves. Tomato. Well, okay.

So 40K space Marines, the most approachable, interesting. But also, yeah, there, you got to focus on the freaks with 40K, in my opinion. because, yeah, when I first, because as you can imagine, working in a gamer environment, people are really into Magic the Gathering and they're really into Warhammer. And people often will be like, hey, come play Warhammer. I think you'd really like X, Y, or Z, which is how I got into the daughters of Kane for age of Sigma. Because I was like, hell yeah, we got a hag, we got some blood witches, let's go. But then I was like, ooh, maybe 40K is actually more my tempo because, oh, look, a guy with a magnet head in a cigar. No cigar, of course. We know now.

I was wrong. And then they were like, oh, you'll love the dark Eldar, aka the Jakari. And I was like, you're right. I think I would. And then what little reading I did into them came through like the proxy of rogue trader. I think that focuses on them if I'm not mistaken. Of course I'm not mistaken. I'm the expert.

Yeah, obviously. I would never dream of correcting you. Like, yeah. D.K., have you got that far in Rogue Trader? In Rogue Trader, I have gotten to, I think the farthest I've gotten was actually when they did, in fact, steal the sun. What? And then I kind of just like fell off and something else got my attention. And I was like, oh, I'll come back to this eventually.

And I never got back to it, unfortunately. Shia does enjoy Rogue Trader, but you are correct. Dark Eldar do play a pretty good role in Rogue Trader. There is the concept of wishful thinking. I believe I saw someone post that they actually were able to date a Drukari in Rogue Trader. And it got me all twisted up. Like, is it possible that you can date a Dark, a Drukari in this Rogue Trader game? And that's what made me install it. So I haven't actually played it. I just have it installed in a hard. drive. But so that maybe I should have played it before this podcast, but that would probably have defeated the purpose. So my understanding of the Drukari are that they are completely and utterly for theater kids that have septim piercings.

I'm not sure if that's true or not. You're, wow, man, you are the expert. I could not have said it better myself, really. I mean, yeah. I saw a picture of an alleged guy you can date in the game that had, oh, yeah, there you go. Shai just posted a photo. he has a big high ponytail

with like face paint and I was like this is the game for me so I will be playing it he's wearing a cape of human skin yeah okay um that is it Marjai I forget is Marjai I don't you ask me you should be asking me I'm the expert

yeah well I am asking you is it Marraiser oh yeah it's Maragi you have it Maraghi of course Of course how foolish of us You can just call me Yeah you can just call me Miss Miragi for the rest of the podcast. He turns into four separate clones that run around him and fire the same weapon that you do.

Oh. Is he really? That's a Mirage reference. Oh. Oh. That was my first favorite war frame, by the way. There you have it. That's, it's, do they have, actually, I guess if Mirage was going to be any particular

faction or army, it would be Jakari. So, because she's like a clown. And they kind of look clownish to me. But there might be one other faction that's clown related that she might be. Oh, right. The harlequin. I actually do know about the harlequins. I know about this because I have, did you know, okay, so here's where how I know that Warhammer is for the girls. Like all, like all things, anything that caters to you at like a me, me, me personality test, it's basically astrology, right? So in my professional opinion, insofar as when you go to the Warhammer website, when they want you to like find an army. You do like a personality quiz, like, ooh, how do you approach the battlefield? And then you do your answers. And it's very, very astrology coded or like BuzzFeed, like which Disney prints are you.

And like anyone who says it's not is fooling themselves. Oh, no, it 100% is. Like I, ironically, I agree with you like 100%. Yeah. The only, it's just a veneer and a, you know, it has a facade of being for the boys. But really, it's for the girls, unfortunately, for anyone who thought of it. Slay. Slay.

It is Slay. And all of them slay. There's a lot of girl bosses, Marathi, notwithstanding from age of Sigmara, who I made on my... Good choice. Good choice. I put her together on my mom's kitchen table with her glasses and magnifying glass. It was a very fun time. But yeah, that...

Which one is Marathi again? I'm trying to remember. Daughters of Cain. This is Age of Sigma. She is a big unit. she's half snake, half lady. She has two forms. The snake one.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, right. She was pretty cool. Yeah. We talked about her in the dark elves fantasy episode. Is she the one who was like banging her like cousins? Yeah, she's.

Oh, I don't know about that. I would love to know that. I think it's, oh, is it her? I'm trying to remember what her son's name is. It's like starts with an. M, it's, it's not a man friend, right? No, no.

I think this lady's in love with the chaos god is my recollection, is that she's like, I am the chosen consort of, I think, I don't remember. Well, no, I mean, you're correct, you know, like, you're, you're right.

Right, of course. Yeah. From, now, look, I'm not an expert. From my limited time in fantasy, she was like the head of, like some slaneshy pleasure cults. But I'm not the expert on like age of Sigma or anything. So, you know.

I may be, I may be thinking of Vlad and all those people because I'm pretty sure they were all banging each other. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You know what? For a very hedonistic game, you don't see a lot of it manifested in the figures, in my opinion. Like, I was really surprised that Rogue Trader let you have a relationship system.

And maybe I'm just too green in the tabletop and the miniatures thing. But for all the miniatures I've looked at, which has been like so many, I've not really seen a lot that lean into the, I guess like the sex appeal, which is not a criticism at all. It's just interesting to me. Yeah. Because it's a very, so back into the fetishization of the Warhammer mythos and Pantheon for 40K specifically. It is just so cool. Nothing is cooler to me than it all, but I also am just too busy to play. So it's a hard line between absolutely looking at it. It's like a look don't touch, I think, is what I would describe it as. But I still am an expert. So let me continue talking about chaos versus order is my understanding of the world is divided into two essentially. A chaos army.

or an order army? In Sigma, I believe those are some of the factions. Yeah, there's the, the, Oh, this isn't 40K. Uh-oh. Okay, I'm going to have to really think then. Though, I will say, and I didn't want to make a point on what you said earlier. You do make a really good point of the whole, like,

a lack of general sex appeal. A lot of the sex appeal that came in a lot of Warhammer miniatures would tend to be focused around a lot more of the Dracari witch cults, and often some of the Slaneh stuff. Though the Sleche stuff was a lot more like, not just say this doesn't include sex appeal, but it had like kind of a drogenous, like demonic look to it all.

But the one thing that I believe has changed a lot is Slanesh has been kind of moved more towards an excessive thing, a little bit more of like the glam rock, especially with the Emperor's children, and a little bit more on like the hedonistic torture side of things. I think also it's because it's very difficult to sell miniatures at a toy store if you got boobies on the box. I get it.

I get it. And I know Slynesh very well because when I was playing Dark Tide, I was in the hub, like the little hub area. And one of the characters had a name that was very like sexually suggestive of Slaanesh or Sleash. And I tag DK. And I was like, is this you king? Is this you champ? Is this what you talk about on your podcast? And I was like, hell yeah, brother.

Hell yeah, it is. Yeah. So that's how, that was my game. eight-way to Slonish, I think, was a miscellaneous. I don't even, oh, actually, we'll just go right into Darktide as our next entry point, because we already finished our space marine roast, the roast of the space marines, which is summer red, some are black, and they're all kind of, they're what you see is what you get, in my opinion.

I would agree with that, honestly. They are very, you are right, obviously. Yes, of course. There's no nuance at all. Especially as far as the, you know, like, Eisenhorn series goes. No nuance to any of this at all in chaos. Couldn't possibly be. But we're going to jump right over.

Maybe me cuddling my Talos Valcorn plushy and crying. Yes. Oh, more like Talos Val boring. Am I right? Oh, no. Oh, man. No. Sick burn.

Yeah, yeah. Get him out of here. But I think I'm in the context of Dark Times. I don't remember anything I did, except that there was big guys, and then there was a psycher, which I thought was pretty cool. And I don't know how they were connected at all to any of the armies in the game called Warhammer. I don't know what the big ogrens are. Like, I don't know if they're an army. Like, I don't know if you can just make an ogren army.

Because you have the orcs. Like, space marine orcs aren't what that guy was, unless he was. And I was just fooled by. 3D rendering versus miniatures. But is an ogren an orc? Are they even called ogrens? Many want to know. Well, you being the expert, I think this would be your field of expertise, because, you know.

You're right. Orcs are like very alien and green and, you know, ogren's very big and very humanoid kind of barbaric looking and, you know. It couldn't possibly be the same. You're so right. You're so right. I mean, if an ogren is considered, like, part of the human side, how do you think he got that way? Anything goes. It could have been, like, genetically modified, would be my thing.

Or, like, crossbreeding. Maybe Slonesh caught a space marine with a cigar and a green guy and made them do it until one of them got pregnant and then they laid an egg. I don't know. Maybe they're eggless. They could be, they could lay eggs. We do need a little more impreg and Warhammer. That's very true. Oh, my.

Yeah. I do have to imagine there was some nasty, there was some nasty business, maybe. I could see that maybe some of them wanting to do it to like be, well, maybe they wanted to do it to be stronger and bigger. Like, they just needed to have bigger guys on the battlefield. Because maybe another army had big guys as well. Right?

You can never suffer from having like a big guy that will like, you know, really obey your orders. Because I mean, that dude looks like kind of like a Neanderthal to me. It kind of looks like he's a little, you know, like very easily manipulated, I would think. I could use. I'm just bitballing. I could use a big guy obeying my orders is what I'm trying to say, you know. Oh, okay, like a homunculus of sorts. Maybe, yeah.

Okay. I have to say words out loud. M. Prague-Demon-Kulaba. So, maybe. Oh, maybe. Maybe. Maybe that'll be your next poster, eh? A?

Sell us for $15. I hope not. It will not. It will not. That'll be the next episode. We'll teach you about the M-Preg demon-Kalaba. Oh, demon-culaba. I see.

Not Damon Kulaba. Okay. Oh, no. I think I mispronounce it. You're there. Oh, yeah. No, no. Oh, shit.

You're right. Sorry. The British are infecting my brain. Correct. Reb, you were correct. Thank you. Damon Kulaba. Damon Kulaba.

All right. Now, back to Dark Tide. I loved the idea that we were up in like a big, um, gothic space station. We were fighting against what appeared to be some type of zombie, zombofied faction, which I don't know if that's a faction actually, because I know that there's necrons. But my understanding of necrons, is they don't look like what I fought in Dark Tide. So I thought Necrons were like real slick, real cool, real lawful in terms of their,

um, actually, here's where things always have interested me because sometimes I see Warhammer memes and people will be like, oh, you found like a, and maybe one of you can explain this. Actually, I'll explain it to you. Um, like, necrons versus like tau or something in so far as there's like the most ancient evil faction in 40K, and then there's one that's even more ancient and even more evil and even more scary. Am I in a ballpark here? I mean, again, just spitballing,

but, you know, necrons kind of like, you know, robotic skeletons, been here since the beginning of time, right? And Tao, more like, you know, fish people with hooves. right around in mecks and stuff and relatively new faction Okay Okay, that's right

Okay, so the necrons always appealed to me Because they looked in my opinion Of the 40K They looked pretty damn cool And I was like, oh, it's like I'm really into them, super into necrons But I saw a meme once on Warhammer memes And it was about like, oh, if you found something

That killed the necrons, that's scary Because they're like the, like, are they sort of of the, my understanding is that they might be the most ancient of the 40K factions. And if something wiped them out, then it's trouble for everyone. Maybe. That was my interpretation of the Necrons via the meme archive. Is this, is this accurate history, so to speak? I mean, from what you've told me so far, yeah. I mean, if something or some sort of ancient star god was able to beat up, you know, these crazy ancient necrons that have been around for millions of years. I think that would be pretty scary, yeah.

Okay. So maybe there's, yeah. I argue that necrons are like, you know, they're pretty, they're pretty scary. They're very ancient. I mean, for most people, they would argue that necrons are the most powerful faction in 40K, but they keep, they keep killing each other due to political rivalries, and they also wake up with super long sleep dementia. And, you know, that kind of makes things a little bit tougher when you want to conquer the galaxy. Mm-hmm. All right.

So far, I'm feeling them. I'm liking what I'm hearing about the necrons. I don't know any, like, I only know, so we've started with like a, we've kind of sprayed and prayed here with, from space marines to necrons. We did a little bit of dabbling into, um, ogre like men. And we also talked about the jukari. But I understand that there also might be like rulers where in, if we go back to space marines, I think they are all, uh, a lead.

to the emperor of all mankind, who is, was a hot guy and is now just a skeleton guy. But he's a guy that he has to like eat or like he's fueled by people to keep him going. So he's sort of like, um, is my understanding with him is that he was a guy, the emperor on his throne and he's sort of turned into a bone throne that's fueled by the blood of the youth or something. Maybe. Oh. Yeah, that's pretty close. I mean, I, you know, that's, that is a fairly close take, yeah. I mean, the youth.

But, like, you know, I mean, they're younger than he is. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. By comparison, they are indeed the youth to him, yeah. Yeah, and I speak from his perspective because I'm the only one who understands him. So he said, I mean, you might as well be him in this scenario, you know. Yeah. I mean, I'm old enough that it's not too far.

I'm closer an age to him than the youths of today, let's say. The youths. The youths. Hello, hello, youths. But my problem is I don't know who his contemporaries are across the other things. So, for instance, if we're talking tau, if we're talking necrons, I don't know if they have a contemporary. That would be quite boring in my opinion. So I doubt, and I know, I know Warhammer's way too sleek to have it.

So there's probably like one of them is a hive mind. One of them probably is like there is no quote unquote leader. So it's hard to imagine who's who. I know I'm missing. And I know there's the tyrannids which must just be, they must just be bugs. Is that, is that fair to say? I mean, yeah. I, you know, when you said who are the contemporaries, I would imagine like from the way you described Big E,

I would imagine he has no contemporaries, really. But I would imagine, like, bugs would be a pretty big contender for, like, a hive mind, though. Yeah, I could see Bugs as hive mind. And I know that there are also rats, the Skaven, I believe they're called, or Skaven. I don't know if that's the Sigma name or the 40K name. Well, that's the, I mean, they're sure in fantasy, but I, uh, no, no, DK, DK, there are rats in Warhammer 40K. You're right.

I'm so sorry. to be stepping on your toes like that. Yeah. You know you're right. There are? There can't be. I mean, you're the expert. What do you think there is?

Okay, wait. Because for me, okay, oh, frig. I only, like, I, I know that there's a lot of space marines. Like, there's, like, minimum 12 space marines. We got the Jukari, a.k.a. Dark Eldar. We got the Tao. We got the, we got the, there's got to be normal Eldar as well, not just

dark Eldar, of course. There's just straight up Eldar. And there's also rats, but maybe the rats aren't rats at all. Hmm. I mean, I would fully believe that the animal, the rat does in fact exist in Warhammer 40K. Okay. Well, I'm not going to be dignify. I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

I'm far too sophisticated in my knowledge. Wait. A hundred percent rats do exist. It's just they do. I'm sure they got. exterminators and like, you know, stuff like that. And but I, you know, I don't know if they're, you know. Okay.

Are you referring to what are you missing in terms of like other factions in Warhammer? I want to just start. I want to scratch. I want to get all of them before this podcast is over. Because I know there's like in Sigma, there's tree people. There's like birds and there's bone people. But like what am I miss? I'm missing like a big.

I'm missing a big one. Well, I'm missing a lot, I'm sure. But like, can you guys just like point me in a direction? because we got our tyrannids, we got our necrons, we got Tao, we got Eldar, Dark Eldar. Like what else, orcs, of course, what am I missing? Well, I mean, you know, if you're referring to like, I mean, if you're referring to humanity, we obviously have a lot of humanity left, but I'm assuming we're not going with the boring. No, yeah, I don't want to talk about humans anymore.

And I know there's lots of them, but I'm done with them, I think. of them. Well, you know, there is like a kind of a more like evil looking one, you know? Evil looking, like the undead, like a zombie faction? Not quite. More like, um, a sort of chaotic faction,

what would I say? A chaos faction that are evil. Like demons? Like are there, like, is there like a demon army? We do have demons. Really? In fact, the models that you can run

for demons in Sigma are the same ones you run in 40K. Right. I actually did know that. My understanding is Sleinesh is more of like a concept at this point rather than like, I don't know, can you have a Sleinesh figure? I don't think you can't. Like can you do a miniature of Sleeneh?

Or is Sleeneh to, yeah, like my understanding of Sleeneh is like Eldritchly multi-cosmical in the same, like you can't. Like it's an entity of evil or chaos. Yeah. And I would assume most, like, the Chaos God Pantheon is all kind of like that. We're like, you're not really going to like field them. And they're all mere, like, they're more concepts than they are. Yeah. Testations, right? Yeah. That's my interpretation. I don't, like, I could never pick, I could never picture a Slonash playable miniature because it just seems a little, a little, a little, a little much.

to, in my opinion. You wouldn't, yeah. It's just like in war frame, you wouldn't have a man in the wall warframe. Like, it's, that's not how it works. Yeah. Sure. You wouldn't look the orrican playable. Um, when, when he was alive, what do you think the emperor of mankind was like? What kind of guy do you think he was? I know he was a foul, foul guy. I think he had, um, okay, this is now guessing, but I think I, I think he had like a lost, like a child he loved or something maybe. Maybe he had a son that was taken from him and he's like a broken hearted father is my read on him. Either he's lost a love and it said him on a path of vengeance is my take on him. Because he couldn't possibly not have that type of backstory.

Totally. Yeah. For sure. You're the expert. I'm not here to correct you or tell. you that maybe not, but you know, hey, I mean, hey, if I, if I, if I, if I lost my favorite child, it would definitely send me on a weird path to. Yeah. I mean, yeah. He did lose some kids, like, like physically lose them. And he did, he did have to go very far to get them. That is very true. Oh, no. So, but was that when he was still a man or is this when he's more of a manlike thing. I'll be honest.

Those are two separate things that we don't fully have answers to. Oh, no. Okay. Well, I feel like he had a son and his son is gone to him and it is for that reason that he is, um, is what he is. He's probably pretty evil if I had to guess. And by guess I mean if I had to know because I know, because I know. this about him. You know, I think it's hard.

Like, yeah, don't correct it. Yeah, confirm if I nail something, please. So this is the type of expertise you want in science, right? I mean, most definitely, like one son he did lose in a metaphorical sense, indeed. You know, he turned to bad, you know, he had a certain heresy of sorts. Oh, the hair. Oh, okay. So this is where the Horace heresy, I know.

I haven't talked about Horace heresy yet, have I? No, what are your thoughts on Mr. Heresy? I have no idea who Mr. Heresy is. But. None at all, huh? But if I had to guess, the emperor had a baby boy who he loved so much, would read stories to him at bedtime about the necrons. And then his son became Mr. Horace himself, of course.

Yeah? I mean, that's probably pretty spot on, actually. I'm sure that Big E probably did read bedtime stories to Horace and and gently stroke his hair. And yeah, probably, yeah. I think that's fair. He stroked his hair one. Well, well, I'm not quite sure about that one, D.K. I don't remember Horace having a lot of hair stroke. Well, and he just gently patted his bald head. So Horace is a man? Yes. Unlike the deity of Egyptian. myth. Yes. Okay. So Horace is a guy who wants to bring down the Imperium, maybe. Is that his vibe? Is he like, is he like death to death to the emperor? Maybe he would say such a thing, which would be heresy. So it has to be. That would

that would literally be heresy. So this has to be. Okay. So he is a type of space marines that said no more emperor down with the emperor. And they were they were called heretics for such reasons. I must say, you saying death to the emperor, you got four out of the five words right there. I mean, that's pretty darn close. Yeah. Four out of five, death to the emperor. Death to, what am I missing?

Death to. One of the most popular slogans during, during the Horace heresy was death to the false emperor. Oh, false. Yes, I see, I see. Okay. Yeah, so obviously, space marines continue to be boring with no nuance is what I've learned here.

National. Yeah. I wanted to, earlier, I was being like, yeah, you know, when I got into 40K, it was like the same way. I was like, space marines are all very like, yep, that's a space marine. And then I was like, ooh, look at all these cool aliens. Look at all these cool.

bad guys. Look at all this other cool stuff. And I just did not want to deal with space marines when I first got into it. Yeah. I guess... This hot off heels of the Logan Grimnar episode is hysterical. Absolutely hysterical. Why? What's what hysterical or heretical? Hmm? I, you know, I mean, um, you know, I was, uh, clutching a plushy once and now, now here I am clutching my Dante plushy being like, she doesn't know what she's talking about. She couldn't possibly. Don't worry, Dante. You're a good boy. When we first got into 40K, it was like that. But when you learn a little more, things change. I think I read about three chapters of the Zeno's book before I got pulled away to something else. So I guess I should

actually read it. And then I'll come back with more about my opinion. But again, I look, but I don't touch because I'm afraid of what it'll do to me. I'm a straight. I'm afraid. I'm afraid. I fear the grasp that this could have. And it's not like I haven't financially started in it without even, you know, having a reason to. Like, why would I buy things? Like, I just do it. I just, it's a compulsion, really. It's a compulsion to learn. It's a compulsion to understand. And I'm sure I'm missing, even still, I know I'm missing things, but I'm scared to know. Like the fear of how deep and gorgeous and unset. Like I just, I wish to be part of the 40K world.

But as you can tell, I fear it. It's a deep dive. It's, you know, once it gets its hooks in you, it's, it's a hard one to let go of for sure. And there's a lot. It's a deep dive. But like even what. I commonly refer to phrase is your hammer. because the game is so spanning, you know.

There's the building and the painting of the hobby. There's the playing of the game. And then there's just the understanding of the lore and the reading of the books and the narrative. And not only that, but with each faction, there's a damn good chance that a lot of it will just bounce right off of you. But some of it won't. And then you kind of focus your attention around the ones that don't and the ones that you really enjoy that way. Like it's such a, it's like you're spoiled of riches of themes. and tones that just appeal to you.

And it feels, it's just so, so impressive. And it's so cool. And yeah, playing it was awesome. Like my friend that got me in, actually, it's someone who at this point has ruined my life a hundred times because the same person that got me into Final Fantasy 14 also has gotten me into Warhammer. So it's like, total toxic friendship. Like, all they do is give me things to be addicted to, which is why I've been, like,

I'll only dabble. Like I haven't gone all in like I have with like magic or with Final Fantasy, but I do love it. I think that they're, yeah, how can, how, I don't even need to categorize my love for it as a charlatan or not. I just think it's so freaking cool. And you guys have the coolest life to be able to just absorb it and enjoy it and be experts at it. Like, what a gift and to have a community that supports you. Like this is such a gift to have this opportunity. Like, oh my God.

I love the community that we have to bits. The absorbing of Warhammer has its ups and downs. But it has it, it has, it's a vast universe with many writers of varying quality. And so it has, it has some periods of very big ups and some periods of, some low lows. Oh, I know. see. Interesting. But like, I don't even know, like, if you had to plant the flag for when Warhammer 40K started, wait, I don't even know what year it started.

Like, what was the first? 85. I thought it was, yeah, I was going to say 86, right? Okay, okay. Somewhere in there. It's been a while. It's been around for a long time. Yeah.

There have been some part. I've been doing quite a lot of research lately. 87. Thank you, Shai. Okay. And I've been learning a lot about the origins of its existence all the way back from the 2000 AD comics. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Yes.

And the IP licensing of Games Workshop, it's become quite interesting. And Warhammer has changed substantially over the years. Its existence to start with was very different than it was in 2000s, which was different than it was in the 2010s, which is different than it was in the 2010s, which is different than it was now. It is ever changing. Yeah. It is ever changing. Change, I mean, in perfect honesty, change, its ability to change is actually a completely anathema to the whole point of the universe, which is stagnation and lack of change. Oh, wow.

Seems you stay winning, right? Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. It's a fascinating time. Though, I had a quick question, rather. I really wanted to ask. So Warhammer is a sci-fi world, but many sci-fi, quote-unquote, settings are not actually sci-fi.

They are fantasy settings, Tolkienesque, whatever it might be, with a sci-fi paint job. Warhammer 40K is this way. Destiny is this way. Many others are this. Star Wars is barely sci-fi. I imagine very often Warframe comes into a similar thing, a bit more Eastern as well in some of its inspirations alike. I'm curious, how do you, in your experience,

how do you translate a fantastical element like that into a sci-fi world in that way? I'm kind of curious if you have any input on that. It's actually so relevant to the Warhammer world because you have to always remember that you are first appealing to like a science fiction epic, let's say, wherein like almost faster than light travel as possible, almost like fully sentient, constructed beings.

You have the roboticization of humanity. You have like it starts to become like a horseshoe of itself where it's so science fiction, it feels magic again. And I, the reason, I know the words I have said, in the past hour have been absolutely foolish to anyone that is serious about Warhammer. But at the same time, like, trope-wise and understanding that there's demons in this sci-fi game, like, demons conceptually, like, how do you justify them from sci-fi to fantasy, right? Like when Dungeons and Dragons existed and blah, blah, blah.

And in Warframe, it's like, sometimes you'll even take a Warframe, like, Wisp, and she has moats and reservoirs and to me it's like it's so fantasy but then you you have a you you you you sculpt the marble statue into something like you chisel it down just to feel a bit more sci-fi and presentation like even just sound design can make a huge difference and you always just need to have a little element of space it's not hard it's not easy it's just you need to constrain yourself to not be fantasy especially now that we're making a fantasy game so So it's like animals are like such a dangerous topic for warfare right now. And it's like, we can do like a, we can do an animal.

And then it's like, wait a minute. That's way too soul frame. So we, we try and stick away, you know. What? A little airframe coming out soon, Red? Right? You see what I'm saying? Like, it's so funny because like even we're doing an Oberon rework.

And Oberon is like he is named after a fantasy character from a Shakespeare era play about a fantasy king. And we were redoing some of the effects for him. And if they have too much plants, I'm like, oh, it's going to look too soul frame. It needs to look more sci-fi. And then you just kind of forget that, like, well, we got to just make it work. So figures up. No. Aliens, aliens.

Aliens. Also, you weren't too far off base with a lot of the stuff that you said. Like, honestly, I feel like you have like a pretty basic understanding of like 40K. Like, obviously, like, maybe not. you know but like I feel like and shy said it in the chat you got more things right than you did wrong except wait there are no

the rats the rats are Sigma Skaven or Sigma Yeah scavin are old Old world fantasy And they never made the transition To 40K I mean these next words were are there rats in 40K And I'm like well

And there are rats In festing planets because there are tons of stuff There's rats Yeah, you know, uncleaned and, you know, so they're rats and trash and garbage, but not Skaven, unfortunately. I do love the Skaven too, but yeah. Are there not an animal faction in 40K? Or does Stigmar have all that, like the bird people and stuff? Is there no animal faction?

So technically not. I think the main thing would be that the animals are more aspects of other things. The Tao are very similar to like the covenant and hayings. They're a coalition of aliens. They normally are the, um, uh, twinkified drenay or whatever. Um, excuse me. Like we can't, the what? No, the drenna, you know, from.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Twink, twink. They're skinny and they have hooves. Say it again, Ricky. Say it again. What am I hearing here?

Eight feels so apt. I don't know what I've done wrong. Um, the, um, but normally they have like, uh, they have things like, crout and they have and they have all these like vespas which are kind of waspy looking and so a lot of the actual other aliens are kind of part of that that kind of look animalistic um but for the most part regular animals dogs things like that they're more so parts of other factions and then they are their own oh yeah yeah like the orcs have dogs and something right like don't orcs have like an orc beast thing i don't freaking know i don't Yeah, I thought so. They're good eating. Okay, hold on, hold on. Squigs are literally good for everything.

They can breed a squig for anything they need. Like, you know, you've seen an orc and you've seen like their hair, right? Of course. Top knots. That's a squig. That's a hair squig. It's just a squig that's numbing on their head. Is that right?

Yeah. Or also have hair. They get hair by having a little guy going on the head. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. So there are no, like, cool rat, rat warriors. That's a shame.

That is a shame. At the current moment, no. I mean, there are, like, cool things. You know, in Dark Tide, for example, they recently added the Arbidi's Judge Dredd style character. And he has a, you know, he has a cyber mastiff, like a half robot. Yes, I see, I saw that. And I got a marketing email about that. Oh, heck.

Yeah, so I did see that. Okay, so what I am led to believe here is that 40K, see, and this is, I guess that's one way they decided that their sci-fi and old world fantasy can't overlap with, like, the non, like, if they're going to go creatures, they're going aliens. They're not going, not going animals. So there you have it. That's one way. Yeah, more is weird, because, like, they share the same chaos gods and demons, though. Like the chaos gods in fantasy

Are more or less the same as they are in 40K And like there's crossover with the demons But they were like no no not the Skaven though Yeah couldn't possibly There couldn't possibly be Couldn't possibly be right I imagine they just haven't quite figured out The right way to translate them

I have a feeling that we will get a Skaven Force in 40K at some point It might be in like 10 years But I imagine I think the other issue is just Translating it into a sci-fi world is going to be a bit harder than expected. They did it recently with the dwarves, the leagues of Voton.

They went from dwarves in fantasy to like hyper-capitalistic guilds. Oh. Dwarves in 40K. It's a very fascinating faction. Yeah. And they got some of the similar like Norse mythology kind of mixed the little.

Hephaestus is Greek, right? Yeah. God of the Forge. Right. My bad. Greek. But like mixed, you know, that kind of stuff. mixed with like a very hyper,

capitalistic kind of like, um, sci-fi merchant guilds and corporations type thing. So they kind of went with a more traditional sci-fi for the Voton. Um, they're called, um, leagues of Votan,

the dwarves. So they're pretty cool, though. Yeah, I was going to say that. You, you didn't let me get to my leagues of Voton section of my podcast where I was going to name drop them.

And I knew all that, of course. Well, we only have so much time and, you know, you know, so. next time we'll let you regale us on the

leagues of O-ton because obviously you knew what they were. It's just, we all only have so much time in the day. And I knew it. Of course I knew that about them. Yeah. In the war for the far future, whoever controls the minerals and resources, I get it. I'm into it.

I'm into what they're bringing. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, I think my, the what I need to come out of this podcast, is I make my first 40K army. And I think in the same way that astrology was referenced earlier, there should be enough information here for me to have the perfect fit. I just don't know what it is.

Oh. That's a good question. A certain way, though? What would you first maybe? I'm going to, I'm going to officially open the website now and get back to it. I'm going to do the Warhammer astrology site because they have it. And it's like, find your own army.

Are you ready for it? Okay. I mean, you can get the BuzzFeed quiz rolling and make sure you have the, I don't know how long it would take for it to be taken, but if you have the time, I'd be curious. I do it. We're going to do it. Okay, how to start. It was on their website and I swear I saw it like a couple months ago. So where was it? New to Warhammer. I'm going to hedge my bets on Emperor's Children. Oh, yeah. Take the quiz. Here, I'll share my screen so you can use it if you want. Hold on. I don't know if that's going. Hold on. Let me share my screen. Shy, I don't know if you're capturing this, but here we go. Share screen. Get started. Not sure where to begin. We can help. This quiz is your perfect starting point. Take the quiz. Take that quiz. First, we're exploring the far future, of course, right?

Of course. Of course. Sure. Which element of the Warhammer hobby interests you most. I'm just going to do building and painting miniatures just because that seems. like it'll get me on the on the right path. I would have figured you would have said reading the fiction and the lore, but okay. Wait, hold on. This isn't the right quiz. There's one about what army to get. Oh, no.

This is just like a starting. They were just like, all right, here's your starter set. Go buy it. Here's space planes and spirited. Yeah, they gave you two questions. And it was like, okay, here, buy blueberries. And it's like, hey, wait a minute. Hey.

No, no, no, there is one about, wait, I want to do the quiz. Oh, discovered the armies. I think it's here. No, I want to do the quiz. How do I do the quiz? Where's the quiz? I mean, you could just goos. Here it is.

Here it is. Here it is. Choose your army. Looking for a way to begin your journey. How do I enjoy playing games? I like a versatile army that can take on anything. I prefer deliberate calculated. I want a synergistic army and I want to rush in with really agro.

Hmm. I'm going to go with deliberate for sure. Okay. Controls the tide of battle. Sure. Will you do so with big guns and raw power or something a little different? So this is basically- All the way, right? No, this has to be how they decide if you're going to be space marine pilled or not.

Like, are you- Oh, true. You know what I mean? So this is like, are you, like, I'm going to go less conventional because I don't want to do big guns. That's fair. That's big brain. I like it. You don't want to, you choose your own path. Are you thinking genetic manipulation and forbidden tech or something a touch more magical?

There's your question, Bricky. Ooh. I mean, you know, I mean, I would answer for myself forbidden tech, but are you a more, are you more magic pill? Oh, that's, yeah. I think I might be. But I'm not like, I'm not liking what I see there. But I guess. Yeah, I guess you're going to go to the interesting one.

Yeah. Your Death Guard, apparently. Death Guard. They are a chaos space marine that worship Nergel the god of decay. This makes them resilient, although less swift and adaptable. Okay, there you have it. I'm Deathguard. I mean, you should definitely scroll down and see some of those minis, though.

Or maybe there's a little button that says check out Deathguard. Bye now. Oh, G.W. There we go. It doesn't even take you to Death Guard. It just takes you to the generic, like, Space Marine page. No, it takes you to Combat Patrol slash Combat Patrol, whatever that is. The starter boxes for them.

Oh, my goodness gracious. I think if you scroll up, all the way to the top, you can go to the left and then, yeah, forces of chaos. Maybe you can click it there, I don't know. Deathguard. There we go. Okay. Honestly, not for me. This quiz got me wrong.

This is not me. Thousand sons are my boys. Thousand sons. I worship. Yep. I like my silly little wizard. Oh, we didn't even say this word, and I meant to. Tezinch.

Yeah, like the yogurt and dill, um, uh, side. Oh, Tzikiki. Yeah, yeah. Tozinchi. Interesting. So you are thousand sons are a traitor legion of mad sorcerers. That's to the false emperor. Oh, I see.

Okay. No, I want to see my Drukari. Where are they? they would be in the Zenos threat Yes The Zenos threat There they are Wait wait

That's a photo of Gene Steeleer Colts in the background Where? Really? This here? Yeah look Yeah I guess I guess it is isn't it Why is genealculate in the background of the Dukkari Because they literally have no art of the Dukkai I love that

I love that image just one of my favorite pieces of 40K. They're so duney and gross and gribbly. But like, why is that there? Okay. All right, all right. All right. That's Jukari, though, yeah.

Jukari are sadistic reverse civilization of murderous Eldari who feed off the anguish and suffering of their victims. Ever hungry for slaves, spoils and entertainment? Oh, no. I don't like him anymore. I don't think so, guys. No. Oh, you. You didn't know the background of the dark Eldar, huh?

Did you car? No, I don't know they were like that. So they are like that. It was because the Eldar got, because they're immortal, right? Yeah, I see. They were just like, oh, we've been around so long. Everything is just so boring. We just need to step it up and step it up and step it up.

And they got more and more excessive until they started doing some really gnarly stuff. and they literally are the ones that births Zinch into existence. They birthed the chaos got into existence because they got too excessive, too murderous, too... Fulenech. Or yeah, Zich, sorry. Yeah, I think I'm going to be a Necron girly. I don't see any other way for me. It's got to be necrone.

Can I offer one of my personal favorite factions? Are you interested in religious girly pops? Yes, I am. Armies of the Imperium, please. Okay. He's converting another one. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Sororitas. That sounds ladylike. Sorority, sororitas. Oh, and they love the God emperor? That must be my man. Is, in fact, the man. It is my... Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah. It might be... You know what? I think you have me. I think this could be it. This could be the play. We got another one, lads. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're so cool. They're just like absolutely crazed battle nuns. I love them. That's fair. They are very cool. Ricky will always make a case for the guard and the adeptus. I will always make a case for the guard, though I am going to build me a Death Watch army soon. Is that right?

Mm-hmm. They don't look particularly interesting from a visual point of view. view, but when you know about their back little, their backstory, they get a lot more interesting. Is that right? Well, it seems to me like I have, um, if, if, if, uh, we'll let others decide. Maybe there's a natural fit, but I think there's been very obviously to me, I am not the death, whatever the hell they said I was. Like there's, yeah, no. That really doesn't seem right for me. Mm-mm.

Deathguard. I don't see it. Is, does Deathguard have, um, a fandom? Like, are there Death Guard enjurers in the chat? Huge fandom for Death Guard. Death Guard is very, very cool. But, I mean, if you don't like the big, gross pustual, nergaly stuff,

then you're not going to like the Death Guard. Yeah. I mean, it's not that I don't like it. I just don't, like, I think I prefer the chaos demons to the Death Guard, if that makes sense. That's fair. I personally enjoy myself a good bit of Emperor's Children because there's the Slanesh version of Space

Marines. And so they got they got like exposed abs, which is always funny among other things. Good stuff. All right. Well, okay. Any other, do you need any other tips from me? I think we've all learned quite a bit from today. Yeah, I, you know, Reb, I think I've learned more from you in this last hour and 15 than I have from Bricky in five years. So I just, you know, stand up bang-erang job. Well done. Reb. Well, I hope everyone has a great day, and I am so glad to be included. And I'm going to play Roak Trader next so I can date that guy with the red face paint. Heck yeah. I'm going to go date the Navigator lady because she's very nice. Interesting. Well, is Roak Trader good on Steam Deck? Does anyone know? I have a lot of travel coming up.

I believe it is good. I'm pretty sure it's verified real good on Steam Deck, I think. I played on Steam Deck. It is pretty decent. Yeah. Nice. That is good for me because the travel circuit has come. Plus, you know, CRPG, turn base, you know, etc. Indeed.

Indeed. Well, Red, it was fantastic having you here. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule. And do hope you enjoy your, now you know what Dark Eld are like boyfriend. Oh, I don't know about that. I may have made a mistake. I can fix him. I can fix him.

Or you can make him worse. That we already know. We all know that. He can ask him. He will make you worse as well. Yeah, he'll make you worse. Perfect. Fantastic.

Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to this episode. Reb, thank you so much for joining us. And everyone, go out there and get your daily login rewards. You forgot them. Go get them. Go get them now. Go play Warframe. Play my game.

Hell yeah. Bye. everyone. Bye-bye. Bye.