Adeptus Ridiculous - SPACE WOLVES: THE BEASTS THAT STALK THE STARS | Warhammer 40k

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Space Wolves, known in their own dialect of Juvjk as the Vlka Fenryka or "Wolves of Fenris," are one of the original 20 First Founding Space Marine Chapters, and were once led by their famed primarch, Leman Russ. Originally the VIth Legion of Astartes raised by the Emperor at the dawn of the Great Crusade, the Space Wolves are renowned for their anti-authoritarian ways and their embrace of their homeworld Fenris' savage barbarian culture as well as their extreme deviation from the Codex Astartes in the Chapter's organisation.Support the show

My name is Timu Khamti's. His name is Bricky and Space Wolves. But before we get into that, if you enjoy today's episode of the podcast and maybe you feel like supporting us, heading over to patreon.com slash adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to the discord, bluepets if they happen. The $15 tier gets you access to all of our posters in crispy HD digital form. So patreon.com slash adeptus. And golly, gee Willickers, did you know that we have a new poster? And man, if I wanted to buy said poster in physical form, Bricky, where, pray tell, would I go? Oh, my God, if you want to get the beautiful humanity's finest poster, you can check out Orchate.com. Link in the description to get yourself the first ever 2024 poster. And if you're not feeling that, try out some little guy merchandise. hoodies, t-shirts. Also, we got mats and stuff,

all kinds of great stuff. Check it out in the description. Organate.com. And I think we're still figuring out what we want to do for the book. Oh, for the book club, right. We kind of, you know, we didn't know what we were going to do. Have we gotten any feedback from people?

All right, well, so Shy. Apparently Shy wants War Boss really bad. She is spamming. the Discord with War Boss. This is one of the reasons why I decided to be like, you know, maybe we should wait. Because I don't know if Shy has anything. And now I see one, two, three, four, five War Boss comments here. So perhaps War Boss is what we should be reading.

Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. Are we setting that in stone? Yeah, why not? I'll read War Boss. Oh, we're reading, well, are you sure? because we put a lot of other options up there for the people. It's fine. Let's let Shy actually take part in a book club for once.

Okay. Warbossitus. Warbosset is. Hell yeah. Also, a couple neat things. For one, check this out. They added a Master of Whisper's Necromunda model. And it's like from the opening of Rogue Trader.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. Hey, look at that. But significantly more important, check this out, dude. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Why is the cat in the watermelon? He's not on the watermelon, he's on the watermelon. It looks like he's hatching from the watermelon.

So anyway, space wolves, yeah? Space wolves! Space wolves! Space wolves! A-hoo! That was actually pretty good. Thank you. Wait, what's the song that, oh.

opens like that. Oh, wait, no, it's, it's immigrant song or whatever, isn't it? Oh. The one that was played in Thor, Ragnarok? Nope, don't remember. It's not... As usual, I have comments from viewers who want to actually from the Primark episode. I know exactly which one you're referring to, Shai. I screwed up, and it wasn't the line that stabbed Russ. He punched him and knocked him out in the face, right?

That's one of them. I got that one. I know that's one of my action. Also, hey, I said I was talking about the fates, and that's, that's Greek. That's not Norse. That's Greek mythology, so, you know. Are the fates Greek? Yeah, because they were in Hercules. Hercules is the, like, Greek mythology, right? Well, I don't normally take my history from the Disney movies, from Disney movies, right? Yeah, here I am. All right, all right, smart guy. Shai's got some actualies for me, which is, which is fair. I knew less, I knew probably the least about Russ out of most of the Primarks went before the episode. episode. So, so hit me with it.

Hit us with the actuallys, yep. One, people find it funny how a literal wolf was a better apparent than an emperor. That's not actually. That's just a fact. That's just funny and true. Yeah. All right, that's number one. Number two, Lehman did manage to stab Horace. Oh yeah, he tried to, but couldn't bring himself. He hesitated and it didn't actually properly

do the thing, right? Oh, well, Shai says Lehman did manage to stab horse with the spear that brings out the true version of the self, and it worked. Oh. However, the non-chaise horse that came out still concluded that the emperor was an evil monster that had to be destroyed, so he went right back to being his chaos-corrupted self. The spear hit caused Horace to fall into a coma, which cost the trader's months of stalling

and gave the loyalist time to reinforce, so it wasn't totally pointless. Oh, so it's because he got stabbed. that they had time to like kind of, you know. Wow, why did I see that part? I could have. Yeah. Wow, whatever, whatever resource I was using glossed over that. Holy hell.

All right. Damn. That's a good point. Oh, yeah, okay. Number three is the Lion Russ fight. Yeah, that was the thing. There were the two fights. The first one was the sucker punching Russ and knocking him out.

And the second one was post, was post heresy. And that's when he stabbed him. And then eventually, and then there was an additional. Well, it's got three kind of things. Russ said he never wanted to fight any of his brothers again. Lion then stabbed Lehman to provoke him, but Leibon still denied him to fight, and so the lion finally gave up and left. Yeah, Russ was kind of just like, I'm done with this.

Lion and Russ really didn't like each other. No, no, they didn't. We got here. Both Lehman and Magnus spoke in defense of Lorgar's antics, and that's why the Emperor did not destroy war bears outright. Did I? Settling. for humiliating the Magnus and Rust said that their respect for Lorga was the only thing

they ever agreed on. When did I mention Lorgar? I don't know, but of all the people for Lehman to defend, Lorgar would not be the first one that comes to mind. I would imagine that Lehman would hate Lorgar, because it's kind of like the jock and the nerd, right? Right. Well, no, I didn't add the whole Lehman secretly a nerds back.

kind of whole thing, like the spiritualism of them, uh, like obviously not were bare level, but I, I skip past that part because that wasn't important in the episode. Okay. We spent an hour and 20 minutes talking about Lehman Russ. I, I didn't really think that the Cerellian parts were important. Uh, this was in fact,

partially Lehman was serial. Okay, got you. Gotcha. Okay. What's the sixth one then, Shai? Only like two of these are actually actually actually. Whoa. Oh.

Oh. Wall of text. Wait a minute. These are only like two of these were actually actually. The rest of this is just additional information. Well, sometimes it's good to have additional information alongside the actually. I didn't put the additional information because we were an hour and 20 minutes already did the episode. It's very long.

And of course, there are no wolves on Fenris. Meme? Yeah, meme there. Go ahead. Canis Helix is a special gene in space wolves that gives them their wolf-like traits. and some mutations, well, Fenris never had a local population of wolves and their genes are nothing alike to tear in wolves. What is hinted at by Magnus and experimenting Dark Eldar is that Fenris population during Golden Age of Tech experimented with Canis Helix-esque genetic modifications,

and it's quite possible that wolves on Fenris are in fact humans who spiraled into uncontrollable mutations with during the Age of Strife. It is mentioned that looking into the eyes of Fenris wolves, you can notice human-like intelligence. That explains why wolves are so eager to work with space wolves who also have wolf-like gene moths and why space-wills might also have some issues with that specific type of genetic mode, which I'm also sure Brick will explain in this episode.

So the wolves on Fenris are just humans that have been modified to be wolf-ish. That is a... It's more of a theory. I mean, so I had that in the notes for today's episode, no doubt. But it wasn't, it wasn't something that I wasn't sure if I was going to touch on it, mainly because it's a little, it's a little deep cut. And it's a, that's a little like hardcore for our episodes for the most part.

Oh, okay. But there is, there is a little bit like that, that gene thing. The Canis Helix was definitely something we are going to be chatting about today, especially. Because there's the top, the concept that Lehman, not Lehman, the emperor had the wolf DNA in the creation of Lehman Russ outside of just his own personal DNA, hence the features. Okay. Which is just a little bizarre that the emperor would be like,

yeah, just put some wolf in that one. Why not? Screw it. Yeah, don't put him in any other. Just that one, wolves. Yeah. Yeah, the sixth one, add a wolf thing to it. Why not?

Let's test. We're gonna make real We're gonna make real cat girls Like oh crap He's a dude Oh man But there is that stuff The Canis Felix

Felix Oh shit Canis Felix Felix Canis Helix The Canis Helix is Something that we are gonna talk about It's well

You know we'll go ahead And to get into that right now Yeah yeah let's do it Let's do it It's a good transition Canis Helix Only a couple of that I'm

I'm MIFT. Only a couple of those were actuallys. The rest of it was just extra information I didn't add because long episode. I'm MIFT. Call me MIFT. He's chuffed. I'm, I'm... Ois-Koy, he's chuffed.

I can imagine an orc saying that. Yeah, totally. I imagine an orc has said that. Well, regardless. So, Space wolves. Space wolves. Space wolves. So...

Space wolves. Ow. Luckily, for us, there isn't too much of a massive change between 30K and 40K spacewolves. That's not saying there isn't differences. Just not massive. Just not as big. As far as the whole, hey, this Legion was this way in 30K,

and now they are a broken down, weird version of themselves in 40K, space wolves are one of those factions that aren't too different than their original counterparts. You know, it's not like the iron hands that have just gone into mutilating themselves to replace the ionics, or the blood angels that have really fallen down the black rage, or the dark angels and their insane paranoia. Yep, yep. Those of all big change. That's a big change.

Space wolves have become a bit more insular. A bit more quick to anger, I'd say, and a bit more like you're in the club or you're not kind of vibe. But besides that, they're mostly the same, I'd say. Okay. There are genuine differences in how they operate and how they act. But for the most part, if you're thinking like, dang, all right, let's check this out. This looks like these are space wolves and they are covered in pelts and have big beards and they shout deeds. drink. Yeah, they're Viking

Space Marines. Yeah, and that's about what they still are. They're still Vikings Space Marines for the most part. Cool. If we're going to go with we're going to start off with the appearance of Space Wolves, we might as well get

into that end, the Canis Helix and stuff and move into a few other bits. So, all right, we're coming in hot. Naturally, the gene seat of a Space Marine makes you look like a horrifying demigod sure got

shy you keep using the random primaris reaver as as the attempt for the shitty modern space wolf but we both know that's an outlier be a little bit we both know most okay that one is a little bit virgin space wolf but

yeah a little bit the heresy space wolves do look cool anyway they look really cool so the physical appearance of space wolves for the most part is about, is affected by that thing that mentioned earlier, which is the Canis Helix. The Canis Helix is a fancy kind of part. It's like a,

like canine DNA. Yeah, I guess. It's like an altered version of the genes seed for the most part. Because Helix is like, you know, the double helix and the DNA strand. So I just assume it's, like Canis is like, you know, wolf dog, Helix is like, you know, and then just, you know, more hammers. Kind of like put it in Jurassic Park, you know,

where they put the, I'm going to replace the missing genetic code with the frog. And, you know, hey, now we have asexual dinosaurs that can lay eggs regardless of their gender. I mean that, you know, that, I don't think there's a lot of egg laying in the space wolves, but. I hope not. I would hope not to. Anywho, uh, yes, but. it is basically what you just said.

It is a section of the gene C for the most part. And it's what gives them a lot of their features and their attitude. It was what makes them so acute in terms of things like sensory. You know, like, you know, they

smell well, you know. It's like dog stuff. Yeah, yeah. It gives, it grows them. They got a little canine DNA. They can smell well and they got pointy teeth. Yeah, it gives them fangs as well, you know. has them grow huge amounts of hair, which is just, you know,

part of the whole, the whole shtick gives them sometimes what can be considered an uncontrollable aggression, um, bordering on frenzy, but, you know,

these are space marines and despite the fact... Maybe a little feral. Little feral, little, little, little quick to anger at times. Short fused, sure, sure.

Um, but what's fascinating about the, this is that it also does a lot of, of other interesting things. Like, you know how the night lords eat people? Yes, I do. I guess I do know that. Space wolves also do that.

Ah, okay. Well, I guess, yeah, that makes sense. Um, you know. The space wolves actually, even in game, had the ability of killing an enemy character has you just eat them, and it lets you gain the information that the person knew.

And so often it would give you, you like tactical abilities if you ate the enemy character. Was that a Norse thing at all? I don't know why I'm thinking that. But was that ever a Norse thing where like if you eat someone's flesh, you gain like knowledge of their things that they had done or something like that? Was that or am I mixing that up with just something else? I mean, I would assume that if that was where, like that's not a fine or not a bad guess.

because everything comes from North mythology in the Space Wolves. With the Space Wolves, sure. Like, if there was at any point that kind of schick, then, yeah, that would make a lot of sense. Makes sense, yeah. But I don't personally know myself. Okay. I thought Chai was going to chime in because she had a little bit of that knowledge before. I mean, like, it's hard to tell because eating lots of weird stuff is a plenty fine Norse mythology thing.

Oh, you know what I think I'm mixing I think I'm thinking of the crout Oh well yeah the crude do it The crude do that where like they eat something And immediate it's like hey I think that's what I'm Mixing it up with How'd you get mixed up the crout with Norse mythology

I don't know I just thought I heard it somewhere And I was like oh you know they're all about Norse mythology And then I was like nope wait crute All right that's fine Anywho So naturally that kind of gives them their more physical appearance. Even their skin can become a little thicker,

you know, a little more leathery, like a wolf pelt, for example. And as the time goes, as you spend your years in service to the space wolves, you actually adjust your hair color along with it, funny enough. You start with like a brown, and then eventually you get into a more of a gray thing, and that makes you a gray hunter, which is actually a unit the space wolves have.

Oh, cool. It's not, I mean, that's, isn't that what happens with everybody when they get old? Sure, sure, but like, specifically here, it's more the idea like, hey, if you're a gray hunter, you are like a veteran, a veteran of the space wolves. All right, okay. Okay, that image, like it makes it look like his arm is really stubby with that axe. I mean, even his front arm.

That perspective is so strange. Yeah, the perspective is really odd because it makes both of his arms look really, really stubby and short and weird. He's all like sideways. Looks he's warped. Yeah, it really does. That is some odd, odd. To be fair, that is not bricky hating on art. That perspective just really is quite odd.

I can hate on art anyway. Well, yeah. But past that, though, once you go from the gray to the thick white like you see above, That giant dude that shy posted, that is a good old, oh crap, Logan Grimnar, that's right. Logan Grimnar, he is the current chaptermaster of the space wolves at the moment, also known as the High King of Fenris, the Fang father, the old wolf, etc, etc. Okay, all right, all right, those all fit, sure, sure. He's the chaptermaster. He's all white bearded because when you reach the white beard, you actually become the elder warrior.

known as the long fangs. And the long fangs, at least in game, are actually like ranged. They're like heavy weapons, which I'm not quite sure. Why? But, you know, whatever. Huh. I don't know why. I just figured that space wolves didn't have

too many long-ranged units because they'd all want to be up in your face and like, you know, ripping out your jugular. I mean, every space wolf wants to rip out your jugular, but it does, you know, every space marine faction has heavy weapon team. It's just part of the organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I guess if we want to talk a lot a little bit more about the Canis Helix and that kind of stuff, and we got to talk about the

recruitment of the Space Wolves. And I feel like that's what most people are here for anyway, is how do the Space Wolves get recruited? Yeah, Briggie, how do they? You know what? I'll let you know. Well, golly, I appreciate it. I know. So, the recruitment of the Space Wolf is exclusively Well, mostly, mostly exclusively from, well, the call has screwed this up. The primaris Marines arrived and now it's a little bit wacky and weird. But is, for the most part, outside of that weird about Belisarius being a weirdo. Yeah. The recruitments for Space Wolves are exclusively taken from Fenris.

Feneres, unlike the Lions Caliban before it went by-bye, was not. turned into a massive industrial world from once the emperor arrived. Okay. The most part, Fenris is horribly in hospital atmosphere and everything like that, and all the humans that are on it, are still barbarian tribes, and I've stayed that way. So, for the most part,

whenever there are major tribes kind of roaming the area, Wolf Priests, aka psychers Of course Well actually I will no wait Hold on Wolf priests

Are and ruin priests Those are two different things I don't think they were actually No no no I got wrong Rune priests Are the psychers Are the psychers

Wolf priests are The chaplains Ah okay Gotcha So the wolf Priests will Kind of go out and about Into the various areas

Of Fenris under guise of a, you know, like a big old, what it's, like a holy light, like, Is that a wolf priest? Oh, yeah, dude, he's got, look at the helmet. Whoa! Yeah, it's a chaplain, but it's, but it's a chaplain, but it's a wolf chaplain. That's like the coolest thing I've ever seen. Why do you think, why is that so awesome to you?

He's wearing a skull, and it's like black and gold and like his, his backpack Pack has like the gold wolf heads on it and and he's got that that's cool. Come on. No, I mean, it's really cool. It has the... Is that just normal for a chaplain? So chaplains wear skull helmets. But he, but specifically they have the... What is that animal again? I'm lost. Is it... Oh, the one that he's wearing or...

Yeah. I don't know. I just assumed it was a canine. skull says you know, he's a wolf priest. Is that a wolf skull? It better be. He's a wolf priest. What other skull would he wear? Well, okay, that is fair.

But because, you know, like, it looks like a Norse mythology skull type thing, and I don't know if it's specifically a wolf or a different animal. It's got to be a wolf. All right, fine. We'll do that. It's got to be a wolf. Gotta be a wolf, right?

Oh, yeah, I'm thinking of shamans wearing deer skulls. right. But, uh... Oh, fair enough. That's fair. Like, the head, the head chaplain, for example, is a guy named Ulrich the Slayer, and he looks like this.

He's like the main dude, and he's got his wolf skull helmet and shit. Damn, chaplains are cool. Holy cheese. Look at that man. I'm... Wow.

Have we... Drip out. Have we never done, like, an episode on chaplains? We've talked about chaplains before, right? I feel like we've talked about them, but these just look so cool to me. Like, hey, look, how many times have I forgotten something that we've talked about before only to revel in it later, right? So maybe we have, like, you know.

Shai, can you send him a picture of, like a chaplain? Like, just like a good old space marine chaplain? Yeah, shy. Can't you send me a picture of a chaplain? I don't think she has one on command. No, no, she's finding one. She's getting one. I don't think she has one in her folder.

Play some elevator music while we wait, you know? Good. You know. So you don't have to cut this, right? You just got to put this. Do do, do, do, do do do. Do do do do do do do do do. Oh, hey, there it is.

Oh, yeah, they're pretty cool. I don't know. The two above are way cooler, though, to me. Yeah, because they're space wolf chaplains, and they're wearing wolf skulls and giant pelts. Yeah, like I've seen this chaplain before, but those ones up there are just so much better. The new chaplains look more like classic ecclesiarchal chaplains that are the more like Catholic version. And then you have the Norse version, I suppose. But anyway, point being, the...

people, the wolf priest, stalk the lands, like their fur-clad warriors who arrive randomly in the depths of winter and challenge the most boastful and strongest tribesmen to bouts of strength and, of course, drinking. Of course, drinking, of course, of course. Now, naturally, none of them can ever beat the wolf priest. I was going to say, has anyone ever even come close? It's got to be like, oh, hey, you show promise, even though I wipe to the floor with you.

We'll take you in and have a drink. That's basically the concept is that, like, hey, they end up actually finding the ones who does the closest job. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Brick, you need to explain how Spacewills can get drunk. Oh, don't worry. That's on the list shy. Oh, isn't it just like they made, what is it? I remember hearing about this.

It's like an ultra-sort. super fermentation or like there's some fungus that they add that makes it like if a human drank it they would immediately die of poisoning or something. Yeah, I mean, what I was going to talk about right now. Yeah, Fenrisian ale is a special kind of fermentation for the native plants of Fenris. It is highly alcoholic and it is extremely poisonous because it is able to bypass the insane engineered resistance of an Astardis. and therefore it is the only thing because you know alcohol is a poison it is it is classified as a poison

so because it is so powerful that even the space marines enhanced physiology cannot properly filter it and therefore they get drunk let's go nothing like bypassing your super jeans just so you can get drunk yeah it's

it literally turns off their kidney implant. So it allows them to get drunk. It's very funny. I mean, hey, you know. That being said, you do still need to drink a shockingly large amount of it to get drunk. So that's why their feasts are insane. And we'll talk about their feasts in a bit.

I was going to say, the emperor had, what, six barrels? And then the line and then Lehman Russ just drank everything else. The idea that he pissed off the emperor that way. is still so funny. That has completely turned me in favor of Lehman Rus and the Space Wolves. That alone was just like, you know what? I like you guys. You guys are all right.

I don't care what you did to Prospero. You're all right. You're all right. So anyway, the Wolf Peace will grab the worthy aspirin, bring them back into the various training camps such as Rustvik, Volksberg, and Grimeneer. And they'll form little units known as Wolf Brothers. The whole point is that during these insane grueling challenges, they work as a pack to work together and have a strong bond and use their cunning and skill to go through and weed out anyone who's not worthy of everything. Okay. Team building exercises.

Pretty much, but, you know, in horrible space marine versions. Yeah, 40K team building exercises. So the big two options here are the two gates, the trials, sorry, the two trials of Morkai. There's two trials. There's the gates of Morkai and the test of Morkai, also known as the blooding. This is starting to sound more and more like an orc thing,

but go ahead. Oh, because Mork. Mork. You, you, you, you. Me, me, me, me. You shitter. All right, continue. The gates of Morkai and the...

What was the other one? The blooding, or the blooding or the test of Morkai. Okay. It's important to know, because let me find my... Where is it? Here we go. Wolves of Fenrisian myth. So the important...

So a lot of the stuff that is, obviously, the culture of the space wolves, is surrounded by the old wolves of Fenris, the myths of old Fenris. And for example, there was Morchai, which is the twin-headed guardian of the underworld. Oh, they didn't want it to be Cerberus. They were like, let's do twin-headed. Let's not do three.

Let's have them guard the under, and it's Norse, you know, not Greek. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, it's not Greek. Yeah, I did it again. The idea is that when Lehman and Russ came to Fenris, he fought Morchai and his lieutenants and was able to cast Morkai down to the underworld to stand Guardian and slaying any of the generals who dare face him.

So these are the two heads of Morkai, the two various challenges of Morkai. Okay, okay. So the first one's the gate of Morkai, which is a crazy-ass gigantic, like, portal, surrounded by molten lava. Oh, oh, boy. The whole idea is that the,

aspirant needs to enter the portal, which looks like a big old jaw. It's like how to fit first into danger kind of thing. You want to head directly into the portal and as soon as you enter the portal, the ruin priests, aka psychers, will just

absolutely probe your mind for everything. Yeesh. Okay. Every single like doubt, temptation, anything and everything, just scour your brain through literally any possible issues.

To see if you're worthy. To see if you're worthy. To see if you have any doubt or problems. Yeah, there's a ruin priest that Shia posted. Obviously, ruin priests are very Nordic. They have lightning and wind and blizzards and stuff, but they're psychers. You know, this is another perspective issue, but when I first saw that and I didn't like zoom in on, I was like, is that a

Votan? He looks very short, right? I was like, he's very short. Like, you know, I chew a little short to be a space wolf. Like, but then I then I clicked the picture and I was like, oh, okay, it's just, it's perspective again. Listen here, Princess Leia,

you bitch. Listen here, Leah. But, uh, but yeah, there's a, is all kinds of, they say they get their powers from Fenris, the runes on Fenris. and the power of Fenris, but it's, it's their psychers. They're psychers, yeah. It's one of those jokes where, like, people will, the space wolves are adamant that they

don't have psychers because witchcraft is evil and bad, at least modern day space wolves, but they do have these ruin priests. Yeah, we don't go, but they're not psychers, guys. No, totally not psychers. They're Phenphysian. So, anyway, if the person is found unworthy, they will give them to their iron priests tech marines

which will basically turn them into a servitor because they are unworthy and they will be mind wiped and you get to be a server thrall. Yay!

Oh, jeez. So if you're, if you make it into the portal and you're found unworthy, you are just lobotomized and turned into a servitor and just oh boy, oh boy. I love it.

Should have been worthy. It should have been worthy Should have wiped it out from your mind So the last one Or the second part if you go through that Is the test of Morcai or the blooding Which I would argue is the hardest of the tests You need to drink from the cup of Wolfen

Now The cup of Wolfen is how you get And absorb the gene seed Of the Canis Helix Now the The, is the, you know, spirit of the wolf is also a thing. But, uh, though, yeah, shy, that is true. Shia is right.

At best you become a surf if you fail most space marine aspects. And most of the time, though, you do become a surfer. Yikes, better pass those tests. So you remember when, um, the blood angels would drink like the cup of sanguinius, the red grail? Yeah. Uh, this is how the space wolves do it. They drink from the cup of the wolf him, which gives them the canes. and then their body starts to just rapidly transform.

Oh, it was just like the werewolf transformation almost. It is pretty much that, yeah. Yeah, it, you're like, your body. Oh, yeah, it grows up to like 80%, your bones fuse, bangs sprout from your mouth. You just want to gorge on flesh. And what's even better is as soon as you drink this, they immediately grab you and like, send you really damn far away from the fang, the base, just chuck you in the wilderness,

and then like, all right, find your way back, bye. Well, I mean, if you've got the, if you've got the wolf blood in you, you know, it's a doable task. Well, the problem is you're, you're currently undergoing this horrid transformation to your mind and body, and they just throw you into the snow on Feneres

and say, good luck. Oh, they don't even wait. for the transformation to finish, you're still like in... Oh, hell no, dude. Oh, like itches, you take a sip and like, okay, buy you... Pretty much. You have to find your way back, kid. Wow. Yeah, that does suck.

Okay. Yeah, it's pretty awful. Yep. Yep. There is a good chance, though, that you might end up becoming... Because obviously, you have tons of crazy enemies and wildlife on Fenris, as it's a death world. But there's the possibility that you might

not properly hand... handle the Canis Helix, and you will have the curse of the wolfen take over you, and you will become a wolfim. A wolfen is basically a werewolf version, half man, half wolf, and you are a feral mutant creature that just doesn't know anything besides murder and eating. Oh, boy. You can actually run Wolfen on the tabletop. There's models for them and everything.

Really? How do you run them if they're just mindless? feral beasts. Yeah, they look like Wolverine also. I personally hate the wolfen. I think it looks stupid as hell. Yeah, that picture looks a... They look a little goof troop.

They are very goof. I do not like them. I think they look very dumb. But... Yeah, this is the first space wolves thing I've seen that I'm just like, yeah, no. Yeah, no, I don't like wolf him. I think it looks stupid.

They capture them, for example, and they use them as like troops. Oh, okay, gotcha. So you could, even if you turn wolf and you could still technically serve the spacewolves as a, you know. Sure. But also, the curse of the wolfen is not just when you're yeated out into the snow. Sometimes this kind of Canis Helix effect of the wolfim, this is the downside of their gene seed, might come into play years, tens of years. later in service to the Imperium, which is why you'll see a lot of Wolfen

with like Space Marine armor on. They were Marines. Oh, okay. Yeah, there are also Wolf and Dreadnots. Wow, there are Wolfen that get put in a Dreadnought? Is that just like a feral dreadnought that just goes bonkers when it wakes up? A little bit.

Nice, that's okay. I'm a little more on board with Wolfen when they get stuffed into a Dreadnought and turn into just, you know, feral killing machines in a box. There is particularly a fancy named wolf and dreadnought called Murder Fang. Nice name! Yeah.

Let's go Murder Fang! Murder Fang is really baller. It was pretty funny. It was, they just stumbled upon him, just like ripping and tearing his way through Chaos Space Marines. And they were finally able to capture it and put it in stasis for study. Oh, yeah, I think you've told me about murder fang before, and they just kind of wake him up every now and then and just point him in the direction and it just goes nuts. Pretty much.

There's also the other wake him up now and again. That's Bjorn. But, yeah, no one knows who murder fang is. They don't know who this guy is. It's just like, shit, all right. On that dreadnought, I love, like, those icicle claws. I don't know if they're actually icicle claws, but they kind of look like it. The murder claws.

The murder clause. The murder fang is really fun. I particularly like their special ability, which allows them to every time they are attacked to immediately attack back. So I have had the issue where murder fang gets in my lines with a whole bunch of like guardsmen or whatever and he'll murder a guardsman squad.

And then the guardsman will punch him back. And he's like, uh-oh, you punched me. And he just murders them again. And I'm like, oh God, murder fang is to attack twice every time. Go, murder fang! Unless you kill him, of course, which is just hilarious. Yeah, poor murder fang. It's just, it's so funny, but yeah, murder fangs are great.

Anyway, those who make it back to the fang, despite all these problems, will become initiates, also known as blood claws. Cool names. Yeah, to initiate. blood claws to the space wolves. Nice. Bada bing, they're back. Yeah, oh, so easy.

So easy. So easy. No big deal. No big deal. No big deal. Very easy. Just have your mind probe a little bit, you know, undergo a horrifically painful transformation while in the deepest, darkest snow pits and just find your way back home.

Bada bing, bada bama, bum, your space wolf. Easy. Easy. Easy. You know, ironically, it's actually arguably one of the most, difficult of all the space marine chapters, inductions. Yeah, that sounds really brutal, actually.

Like, jokes aside that is savage. Well, it should be savage. They're space wolves. Yeah, it's like top three. I'm pretty sure it's top three in terms of, in terms of induction. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. They don't put a demon in you. That's pretty great.

Exorcists, thank you very much. Yeah, I don't put a demon in you. It could be worse. But anywho. Jesus Christ. This kind of kind of segues us into the general beliefs of the space wolves. Obviously, we know they always talk about Russ and the Allfather, Allfather being the emperor. Oh, I thought you were talking about Odin.

Oh, was I? Shoot, of course the emperor, of course, right. So for Spacewolves, one of their big beliefs is that they refer to the, their souls as threads. Their soul in their own right is a thread consistently moving and then on death the thread is severed. Before back in the day, space walls were burned on a pyre,

just not surprising. Yep, yep, that's, yep. However, on the death of someone particularly, particularly, what is it, important, they will often have a sending away Feast.

Before the feast, they will learn of the stories of the deceased from variable lengths of the company because Space Wolves are all about stories and sagas and telling their own tales. Sure. Sure. The Sending Away Feast lasts however long it needs to. During this time, the chamber is sealed. None may enter or leave until the conclusion of the feast. For example, after the death of, this was a funny little thing I read in the wiki.

The death of Heroth Longfaying during the Great Crusade, the company held a feast where 432 tales were told. Wow! And they were just drinking and eating the entire time. Wow, that is, that's a lot of tales. It is a lot. Well, you know, we are in the space wolves, so they do have a lot of tales. That is true. And you know what they say?

Funerals aren't for the dead. They're for the living. That's true You know The dead or dead It's the living They need to cope So spending all those times

In these feasts And telling these tales Is how they do a lot of the A lot of the sending away ceremonies They also do it often on solid ground Most of these feasts and trials Also things like judgments Are all done on solid ground

So if there's ever like Some kind of important trial That must be passed they would set down on a planet or a moon and then do the trial. Right, gotcha. So they'll never do it in like a void ship or something. No, they will.

In space, never. Have GW ripped off the whole putting dead on a boat and setting on a fire thing? Well, I think they just did it. It said in the past slain space wolves were generally burned on a pyre. Well, pyre doesn't necessarily have to be on a boat. Pire can be just, you know,

pyre is just a funeral pyre, you know. doesn't have to be on a boat that is true duh bricky sorry I couldn't help it you happy yeah I'm pretty happy all right

so there are also a ton of other kind of traditions they like to do there are obviously a lot of the ruins that they like cast which have great importance but you know also it ruins power psychers. There is the eyes of a version,

which are kind of fun little eyes that they put on different kinds of walls to ward away sorcery or evil. The idea is that if you put an eye of a version on a wall and then space will see it, it's like enemies in front. Don't go there. Okay. Got you.

Got you. Keep your eyes open. There are all of the insane wolves of Fenrisian myth. They're the black mane, the great devourer, funny enough. Oh, cool name. They're cool names. The lone wolf, the night runner, the spirit wolf,

Thangir, the Wolf King, Wolf of the Red Moon, the wolf that stalks between stars, etc. Wow, the space wolves are great at naming stuff. Well, they like the word wolf. Well, true, but still, these are pretty dope names. I got to say, so far, so good with the naming stuff, Spacewolves. You'll notice also a lot of these names are often, attributed sometimes to the major heroes of the space wolves.

Often they're called deed names. It's very orky. Like, you know, there's a guy with a bionic power fist, so his name is Barrick Thunderfist. Or, you know, the guy who's really good at causing lightning, so it's Nial Storm Collar. True, true, true. Fitting names, but still cool.

And also, yeah, like Ragnar Blackman. Maine, for example, is named after the Black Main, the deadliest of all than Rizian Wolves, for example. Okay, okay, cool, cool, still love it. This is actually where you get into a lot of their characters because, what was,

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, yes, eleven, eleven named characters that you can run on the tabletop which is even, funnier because this is a screenshot of all of the

not even characters other members of the space wolves that have been Yeah, we wowie. That have been shown. Whoa. That's a lot. That is, that is a lot. Those are just the other members.

These are the heresy era members. Space wolves like their names. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Oh, my God. They love their insane tales and their insane sagas. Like, we talked about Logan Grimnar once already, right? And Logan Grimnar is a absolute baller, but I know Shy would probably want to save a lot of his stuff for the months.

of shame. Oh. So we'll wait. He's important, huh? Okay. Yeah, we'll wait for that. That being said, his mini is a little goofy, but his

Storm Rider Mini, it's often known as the Santa Slay. Oh, okay. I'm assuming his older mini is just like, it sucks because it's old, and the new one is cool because it's new.

A little bit. but the, it's just Hey, Shai, there's your boats. Yeah, there's your boat. That is a little on the nose, but it's one of those times where it's like, yeah, is it on the nose? It sure is.

Does it make it any less cool? No. That's dope as hell. I love that. Even though it is a Santa Sleigh boat, I kind of love it, though. That's pretty rad. You got to admit, that's pretty

rad. I was thinking, like, all right, how am I going to go through all of the deeds of the individual characters in the Space Wolves for today's episode? And then I soon realized after getting through like three of them that I just can't do it with enough time. I was this, I was kind of assuming that that was going to be its own thing. Like you were going to do today as like the overview of space wolves. And then it's like, let's, let's talk about the 11 named characters. in another episode. It's like, there's no way. There's no way.

The, how do I say this? It's not even the fact that it's the 11 named characters. It's the fact that, like, because normally when there's a lot of named characters, you can kind of skim past some of the smaller ones. But because these are all space wolves, their saga is ridiculous. Yeah, they've got to have just, because to get a name like that, you would have had to have done something pretty important. And if there are 11 of them, yeah.

Oh, oh, crap. You want me to talk about Hellfrost weapons, Shai? Oh, let's go. These names love them. Love them. Hellfrost? Let's go, dude. I'm assuming, I see the way it's spelled H-E-L.

Is that more like... Hellheim? Yeah, Hellheim, right? It's like the Norse Underworld. So, Hell Frost weapons are a special one that are found with Christ. only in the most remote corners of the Fenrisian wilds, and it fires a beam of sub-zero energy that instantly encases enemies in blocks of ice

close to absolute zero, colder than the vacuum of space. Whoa, so they're Mr. Freeze. They are Mr. Freeze. If they can, they can try to move away or break free sometimes, but if they can't, they will be in a glacial tomb forever or then shattered into a million apiece. Yeah. Also, wow, is that a tech marine, I assume?

No, idiot. It's an iron priest. Oh, duh. We don't have tech marines here. We don't have tech marines. Of course. It's very cool. I find their wolf helmet with all of the tubes in it, kind of like a snout, really cool. Yeah, yeah. I also really like that the mechanical arm has a wolfhead on it, too, that gold wolf face. That is very, yeah, that is really cool. Yeah.

There's actually a couple really neat space wolf flyer craft that use Hellfrost weapons called the Storm Fang gunship and the Storm Wolf. They look a lot like giant flying Norse like boat barges. Nice. And that's just, that's just fun, you know? Oh, yeah. Love it. I have, man, I have, I have 180ed on the Space Wolves. They're so dope.

Look at that. Look at that big barge. Oh, yeah. Look at that big old barge. It's kind of crap in-game, but God damn it is a fun looking. Is that a space barge or are you just happy to see me? I'm always happy to see you. Whoa.

Hey. Hey. Hey, hey now. Hey, now. Hey now. You're an all-star. Get your game on? Yeah.

You got it. All that. Glitters is gold. Man, space wolves, guys. I can imagine the picture of like a space wolf fam. The little flag that says, I love space wolves. And he's like covered in Nordic ruins watching this. Just like so upset right now.

So upset. Why? I love the space wolves now. They're so cool. They, so this, I did not know very much about the space wolves before because I assume they were just Vikings in space. And in fairness, I wasn't wrong. They kind of are, but that's kind of dope.

That's really cool. It's gotten a lot farther and more interesting with time. You know what? All right, I want to talk about Bjorn. Yeah, let's talk about Bjorn. I want to talk about Bjorn. Let's do it. Bjorn is absolutely such a Chad, and it made me even like the Space Wolf's more.

So Bjorn, the fell handed, was one of the major people that worked with Lehman Russ during the heresy. He's, you know, he's the fell handed because he lost an arm, all that kind of jazz. But he was just, you know, really, it was a classic tale of a space marine. Young warrior, great potential, underwent multiple crusades and killed the, uh, the enemies of the Imperium during the Great Crusade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is that a picture of him? Holy Jesus, that's good art. Yeah, he's cool. Wow. I'm assuming his arm got replaced. with just a giant thunder claw. Yeah, pretty much. Nice.

He was originally Bjorn the fell hand. Sorry, he was Bjorn the fell handed for a while. He had a different name, I thought. It was like Bjorn, not the fell handed, but it was something else. I feel like if you're a space wolf, that is the proper thing to do. It's like, oh, I lost an arm. Better get it replaced with a power claw, lightning clock. Well, also, remember, their names are like orcologic deed names.

He's the Bjorn fell handed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But eventually, after, you know, serving all the time in the crusade, he was there when Lehman Russ left. He's kind of pissed about that. He harbors a bit of resentment for just, like, leaving. Yeah. Which makes sense.

But eventually, Bjorn fought off a new, like a, what's it? Some kind of, like, some kind of uprising or something like that. It wasn't particularly noteworthy. Or at least not for today. Proxima rebellion, that's right. Okay, okay. He was eventually damaged so much that he had to be interned into a dreadnought, which is why now Beyond the Fell Handed is an old school venerable dreadnought.

Okay. He is only awoken from his slumber every so often. And it's always goddamn hilarious to me. because yeah he's well yeah one he still has his fell hand in dreadnought form which is I was going to say like if if ever there was going to be a dreadnought that just had dual power claw things like those little pincer claw things surely him or at least one of them right at least one of them yeah um he does still have that that's great so humorously he is only woken up every so often uh once every 1,000 years and also he's he's he's he has woken up whatever they hold court at a great feast, where he will be awoken and he'll recount the deeds of the heresy and the great crusade. And they just kind of wake him up and then he's like, uh,

all right, let's do this shit. He's very like old man. Well, he should be. I mean, you know, once every thousand years and he's just recounting,

uh, all the stuff that happened in the horacee. So, yeah. Yeah, shy's right. He's genuinely like World War II grandpa of space wolves. They just roll him out of bed so he can tell stories.

Pretty much. One of my favorite bits of lore is he has the Battle of the Fang, which is when the space wolves were getting attacked by Magnus the Red and Thousand Suns to try to burn their planet down instead after Prospero. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, he's already a dreadnought at this point, but he was awoken during this and naturally really pissed off. But Bjorn specifically fought Magnus himself.

Wow. Which is absolutely hilarious because he inflicted the most damage on Magnus that he had suffered since the heresy. And, and, even after Magnus destroyed both of Bjorn's weapon arms, he still started like smacking him just like with his body. He's just body slamming him? Pretty much. Also, Bjorn went toe to toe with a Primark and did a lot of damage to him? Yeah, Bjorn's a baller, dude. He's like really smart.

Bjoren is, I mean, when you said Chad, you were not kidding. Like, Jesus. It says here, Bjorn strikes help to inflict the greatest damage upon Magnus on the demon primark had suffered since the heresy. Even after Magnus destroyed both of Bjorn's weapon arms, Bjorn attempted to continue the fight trying to knock Magnus over the edge of the cliff they battled upon Wow He was pulling off some like

Monty Python shit Tis but to scratch Just with the flesh wound I'll bite your legs off I'll bite I mean to be fair he isn't a giant dreadnought So headbutting with that big old Dreadnought body'll

I'll do some damage You'll still cause a little carnage You can You can just shoulder check the shit out of him. And, like, you know, it's good. He was also woken up for the months of shame, but we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that later. In game, you can run Bjorn.

And I really like him because he's like ludicrously tanky. As well, he should be. Well, as any dread not really should be, but him more so than the rest, probably. he's got not like a particularly nasty profile for his armor but he halves his damage and has a feel no pain which um makes him about his he has the two rules that katon have which is hilarious wow okay um and you know he still hits pretty hard because he's a space wolf and a dreadnought and a dreadnought so yeah it makes sense yeah yeah he's great i love biorne beorn beauren was reckoned to have a personal kill count higher than that of some entire chapters. So they wake him up. He's been around for a while. Yeah, they wake him up and everything and they're just like,

Bjorn, recount us with tails. And he's like, all right. All right. He gets in his rocking chair, gets a pipe. And, yep, yep, yep. Okay, there's a great, a great little bit. And this is part of the months of shame. And I know Shai knows the part of talking about,

but I do want to talk about this, because it's just so good. Okay. So, he's meeting with the Inquisition. The months of shame is a weird time between the Inquisition and the Space Wolves. But one of the Inquisers is like,

and, you know, duly appointed representative of the God Emperor. He says, God Emperor is, like, gear slipping like he's laughing. Like, calling him a God is how all this mess started. It's true It's true Nothing like

It's like times change And that's the truth of it Now what brings you to the night sky above Fenris And he's like Please name yourself sir as I have done So the negotiation may begin in good faith It's like are you blind little man It is written on my coffin

He points himself It says Bjorn Wow that is pretty great It's like hello His name is Bjorn, called the fell handed. First great wolf of the chapter and second high king of Fenris after Jarl Rus, the Primark himself. And the inquisitor looks at it and says, you walked in the age of the emperor? And he chuckles again and says, walked, ran, pissed and killed.

I did it all. I met the all father, you know, fought in his side more than once. I do believe he liked me. And so the Inquisitor immediately goes to his knees. And Bjorn's like, oh, for not you as well. God damn it. Bjorn, Bjorn is based. Bjorn is based as hell.

Every time someone sees him, they kneel. And he's like, God damn it. Stop it. Don't you guys know? This is what caused all this. Jeez. There's a gal, one of the Inquisitor gals there who's apparently from Fenris as well.

So when she saw him, she was like, oh my God. Holy shit, it's Bjorn. But that's the whole point of Bjorn is that he's just got this, he's just got this old grumpy grandpa vibe to him. But he's also fought alongside the emperor in the Great Crusade. He's kind of earned his old grumpy grandpaid. grandpa's dad. He's definitely earned it. Yeah. So whenever they're having

like a giant feast and everything, whenever they're celebrating a new great hunt or a hundred years has passed since Lehman Russ went missing and they fill the horn of Mead for his return. Whenever they're all like, you know, loud, boisterous space walls

but the moment he speaks, everyone shuts up. Oh yeah. Everyone's like, yep. It's Bjorn's time to speak. Yep. He, his, his voice carries weight. Uh, and God, like, there are so many other space wolves that we can, we can discuss. Uh, let me, let me find their names because they're so good.

Yeah, do you think they pour meat into his coffin fluid? You know, like, I, I would if I was, if I was him. Yeah, you got, you got, you got to get drunk so they, they put the meat in his, um, is amniotic fluid, yeah. Yeah. What we got here. We got Arjek Rockfist, Bjorn the fell handed, Canis Wolf, Herald, Death Wolf, Crom, Dragon, Gaze, Logan Grimnar,

Lucas the Trickster, Murder Fang, Nial Storm Collar, Ragnar, Black Main, Ulrich the Slayer, all characters you can run in-game. Wow. That's a lot. It's shenanigans, I tell you what. I was kind of hoping you were going to keep going so I could tell Shai to do the poker rap thing again, but...

The poker wrap? Yeah, you know. You've never... Forget it. Don't worry about it. Just forget it. Okay, fine. Just don't worry about it. You never watched Pokemon as a kid. No, I didn't. I was one of those assholes that was like,

Yu-Gio is better, so I only watched Yu-Gio. Well, Yu-Gio was all right as a kid. I give you that. Anyway, continue. I really liked, what was the Brooklyn guy? Joey Wheeler! Yeah, I like Joey's VA a lot. He was so funny. That's fair. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. That's fair.

Good going, you. Other than that, though, for the most part, especially when it comes to the space wolves overall, what you just need to know is that they're obviously big murder melee folks. They have a ton of culture in their look between their pelts and their hairstiles and their names. They use giant axes and stuff instead of regular swords. Naturally. They run into battle with wolves, on wolves, with wolves. They have dreadnoughts of wolves.

They have all this kind of crazy stuff to go along with them. But more than anything, they're there to build themselves a saga, to build themselves a story. And that's what their game rule is. Deeds worthy of saga. What it is is that once you complete a certain saga, you get a bunch of benefits. So if you have the saga of the warrior born

where a character destroys another character, your whole army gets a benefit. The saga of the bear is have a character be reduced to half their wounds but still survive, gives everyone a power, a saga of the beast slayer, a saga of majesty, so on and so forth. That sounds handy. What's the best saga to have? I'd probably say the saga of the beast slayer.

It gives you, it gives you, your army gives you lethal hits, which is pretty good. But saga of the bear is pretty cool. It makes them all tough. Makes them all tankier. Fair enough. Fair enough. Shai also wanted to add that despite all these animalistic stuff, brutal training, boasting, horrible drinking, lover vans, etc. Spacewolves are actually pretty based and do care about human population about as much as the salamanders do.

Really? Yes. I guess that makes sense because that would go into like making a great saga for yourself, right? I saved X amount of people and, yeah, that makes sense. That goes into the months of shame. Space wolves do care a ton about the human population, but that is definitely a months of shame thing. Ooh, okay.

So, yeah, they are not, they are not as uncaring. And it's probably because they share a certain level of, you know, what's the word I'm looking for, meant like, people like to drink and bang and eat and while the space wolves may not be doing much banging they are very much a eating and drinking group and having big fun stories and tales so crazy deeds of heroism

are you know yeah kind of like like the idea of like a guardsman holding out a post for days by himself is a deed worthy of song Oh yeah That is that would make a great Verse in your saga

Yeah so because of that That's the that's the big part of it That's the addition That's where it adds all of that enjoyment It's being able to sing of my glory Because I saved a planet of Unarmed Innocence from chaos itself And as he himself

Murder Wolf Wolf-Mans took a rhino full of civilians and pushed it back to base by himself over three days. His muscles ached and his legs burned, but yet the deeds. He saved them all. He saw the eyes of the All-Father in front of him to allow and to push him forward. And these humans sung of his deeds through a song and drink through the day. days that came. You know, like that kind of shit.

I like the space wolves. I love the space wolves now. They're based. There are very few, uh, I like most marine armies, but I would probably be interested in collecting space wolves

if they're, their models, their own personal models, their characters and stuff, were just a bit better. They're a little old. Ah, a little outdated. Little outdated.

Gotcha, gotcha. I would be pretty down for it if they weren't as old as they were. Maybe when Lehman Russ comes back, you know? I mean, yeah, in like 10 years. Hey, eventually, you know, eventually. Oh, goodness, you chose probably the worst one. Lucas the trickster. He's your Loki kind of re-volved version.

Oh, boy, that is unfortunate. Oh, I got, I got a shy, can you do a mini versus image of R. Jack Rockfist? Is it worse than this? No, no, it's actually kind of okay. Oh, but R Jack Rockfist makes me laugh a lot because of what he is. Does he just have a big boulder fist or something? No, he has a big hammer called foe hammer. But it's, um.

As soon as you said that, I thought it was. like a fake hammer like f a ux hammer foe hammer no it's it's meole near he throws it and recalls it back to his hand oh wow that's uh okay yeah he has a built-in teleporter to return to his gauntlet okay that is a little on the nose g-dub uh okay all right okay all right so that's that's uh hey good minnie though minnie's okay he's got a little Funky of a face, but, but yeah. Literally Mielner, though, huh? It is literally Mielner.

Literally Mielder. Well done, G.W. Well done. Okay, can you, okay, I have to, I have to ask. Can you guess the deal with Crom dragon gaze might be? Uh, that sounds like he's got a, a flamethrower. Oh, no, no, no. Think more literally.

Does he literally have Like laser eyes or something You bet your ass he does He's got a bionic eye Okay Crom dragon gate Elegicates It's orc

It is very orc You're right Very orky It's That's the fun part about space wolves And what I think people can really appreciate About it is the fact that Like hey

I'm a new person into 40K Are the space wolves like Vikings in space? Yes It's like is there more to them than that? Yes Do you want to know more about it? Up to you. They both work.

Yeah, yeah. That's yeah. It's really all just about how you, how you want to, how you want to look at it, you know? How deep you want to go into the rabbit hole? And the hole certainly does go deep. No, don't.

Shut up. Shut up. Speak less. I already do all the talking these episodes anyway. That's why I'm quiet during a detective ridiculous. Is that how we're going to end the episode with the hole going deep? Shut your deep hole and end the episode, says shy.

All right, fine.