Adeptus Ridiculous - THE END OF EISENHORN | Warhammer 40k Lore (MAGOS)

Episode Date: October 14, 2026

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Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptist Ridiculous podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, joined as always by co-host Bricky and our special guest, Hal the Amber King. They will introduce themselves right now. Oh, well, that, I mean, well, I don't know. You even say which order, damn. How much? Fight to the death. Have we done this, D.P.

We. We. Fight the death. And whoever wins, introduce yourself. one. Well, please, uh, please go ahead, Bricky. You are, you are, you are, oh, sure, sure. Um, hi, I'm Bricky. Uh, I am currently, uh, in the trenches, uh, with all kinds of shenanigans and it's been okay. Warhammer is cool. I'm getting, I'm getting cool things.

I like it. How, amen brother. How is Eisenhorn fucking heard of it today? Oh, he's, uh, I mean, this isn't as bad. Did you say, oh, he's dead? No. Is that what you said, man? How dare you? I believed you. Well, I say, hello, everyone. This is episode four I've been on in the Eisenhorn series. I am Hal. I have the Amber King YouTube channel, and I make, like, character videos. I started a new series where I rant about characters in books, so this is very on track. Eisenhorn video will be coming up. currently working on a Lorgar one because it's my channel's fifth year anniversary. So I was like celebrating by talking about the most disgusting human being who has ever existed, my favorite Primer. Lorgar?

Yeah, I love to hate that guy. He's so interesting. Sometimes people are surprised when I tell them I haven't read the full Horacee Heresy trilogy. That trilogy, like, fucking... The 60, 10, 8, and 7 novels with the Primac series? I mean, it's not. But Bricky, you're on a lore podcast. It's like, yeah, and I want to maintain my love for this world and a hobby.

And burning yourself out by reading, to be perfectly honest, almost 100 books. And like 60% garbage is just not it. Yeah, a lot of them amiss. 60% of the Horace's heresy garbage? Not necessarily garbage. Not garbage. A lot of it is that thing of, it is, this is truly a Horacee book.

I love, I do love it. I'm a horrors heresy in Joyer. I'm a Warhammer in Joyer, so that's why I'm here. And we're talking about, yeah, we're kind of rounding out today, aren't we? One of the episodes we've done, well, previously, some Eisenhorn stuff. But I think you have a few things before we get into it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, UK, you want to start us off?

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This is like asking what other creators did before doing creating. And you find, out like they actually have a talent or like a general like high education or something you go like what the fuck anyway yeah that's true dk has a degree yeah i have like i have a degree that probably couldn't get me a cup of coffee i have a creative writing degree see i have a product design degree i dropped out of college oh yeah but you have other cool stuff that you did like all of your all of your training to be in emt stories it's way cooler than any dumb college you're you have you story that I have. Yeah, true.

Anyway, anyway, speaking of someone who's not a dork, it's time to get to the finale, guys. It's time to do the last episode on Eisenhorn of his solo stuff, we should say. This is the fourth novel, Magos. If people haven't watched the

previous three episodes we've done, what do you do? Watch them, obviously, like, what do you mean? I'm going to tell you what haven't there. They're going to watch them. Dumbass? You know, I'm sorry like that. So, um... Damn! Yeah.

I said, I say dumb ass now for, so the American audience understands, because dumb ass doesn't really hit the same way. Anyway, so actually, sorry, locking in, locking in. This is Magos. This is, I explained it in the last episode. This one's a little bit different. And it's actually not written from Eisenhorn's like main POV. So most of the scenes in this novel, I've kind of had to carve out a lot of. the other character scenes because this is Eisenhorn's episode, Eisenhorn's Law. So,

uh, this one do go read it slash listen to it yourself because it's pretty good. I do like this one. It is a novella and, um, it's written quite a, quite a few years off the original trilogy, you know, if you think back to the original trilogy, it's like written in 2000, you know, the Matrix is popping off in that area. The first X-Men films are coming out. Like, it's a very different world and Dan Abnitz is a very much younger man. My, my bones. I know. D.K.'s age.

What do you say? You sound bald or something? She said something crazy. Hold the phone. She did say, she said I sounded bald and aerodynamic. But specifically, that's not because I was old. She thought I sounded like a professional swimmer who's bald and aerodynamic and specifically shaves his head to.

get more speed in the water. Mm-hmm. We believe. Froggy's a weird person, dude. Like, she's a great person. Oh, she's down to it. Like, if you say anything crazy, she'll double down on it. But speaking of doubling down, we're going to begin this.

That limited edition version looks so goddamn cool. Yeah, that actually rocks, by the way. Holy God. I would keep that on my shelf. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so this one has a bit of a different, it's like a return to form this one. This one is like an investigation. and it takes place, I think from what my memory is,

it's nearly like over a century or around about a century since the last book, Hereticus. Oh, jeez. Yeah, like I think it's like 90 years maybe. So it's quite a long time. And we're going to begin on a planet called Gershon. Once again, like most noir type things, it is a shit hole of a place with lots of rain and gray clouds and gothic structures. Welcome to Warhammer.

Welcome to Warhammer. It begins in a place near Tyco City, which is like the main city, on a place called the Bone Coast. And we open the very small introduction just for like the background players. Because Eisenhorn's, I'm going to, like, there's two main characters in this book. But we're mostly focusing on Eisenhorn, of course. The main character that's also beside Eisenhorn is a retired Magos Biologis named Drusha. Emegos Biologus is kind of like a doctor of science who specialises in fauna or flora. And it's like the, you know, the Warhammer equivalent.

Drusha is a bit of a, I don't know what's to say, like he's a pencil pusher, a bit of an older guy, always has his like Harry Potter glasses on, a bit of a terrified, kind of like nimble, like weak-ish guy. And it kind of opens with him like terrified in his house because, someone's knocked on his door. He did try and attack these people slash shoot with his gun because usually they knock on his door it's probably like maraud or something.

Turns out it's a different group a group he wasn't expecting. There is a, what should be a retired detective who's a similar age to Drusha is a detective named Max. Besides her is an interrogator for the inquisition called

Voriate. Voriate is young. He's handsome. He's kind of like cock, like crot blonde hair. And besides him is a woman, dark skin, who looks to be in her 30s, and a man who is a hunk of muscle, big chin, and he's got lots of hard gear on him. This is Medea Bettencourt and Harlan Nail. If you remember Medea, daughter of Midas, so she's quite, you know, she's a very experienced member of the Inquisition now. Holland nail mercenary Mr. You Got It Boss. Always says it in that accent throughout the books. My favourite. He's also in the Ravenna series. Love this guy.

This does take place after the Ravenna books, just to give a heads up. Maybe we'll do something on that in the future. Who knows? If you guys enjoy his episode. And they've come to collect Drosha, who he did try and punch Voriet in the nose. It did work.

But then Holland Nail immediately. I'm not going to focus too much on him. But essentially, they need Amegos biologis. And Max, who is his ex-wife, says he's the only one on the planet. Yeah. And she's like, oh, he's going to cry now. He's going to cry now. So they've been divorced about 15 years.

They're not seeing her for a long time. And she's like, I know a Magos biologis. Unfortunately, it's this guy. My ex-husband. Yeah. also the name drusha sounds really familiar has he ever has he been in any other book before there is some short stories with him in it but it's also i did think that as well but i think it's just similar to some other bohammerish names i got like a lot of them you know if you read horace

heresy and 40k you realize like there's a few repeats there's a tight thing i said in last episode there's a titus dreadnall in the dark angels and obviously not 40k titus like for some reason i immediately thought he was one of the admec from, I forget what the book is called, it's the one where they quite vividly show you what happens to, like, people that get servitorized. And for some reason, I... Flesh and steel.

Flesh and steel, yeah. And for some reason, I thought he was, like, one of the smarmy admec in that book, but I guess not. Maybe it's a similar name, but essentially they grabbed him up and they said, you can work for a fee, or just work your choice, and they drag him

to, again, the The place is a shithole, it's raining, and they drag him to what is considered one of the older, in quotes, fortresses, the last surviving one on the planet. It's basically like an old, like a state, and they've held up here. The group enters into this facility. It's kind of lightly guarded, and they see a lady working in the library, like going through, like, thousands of books. It is a savant. If you remember what a savant is, that was Uber Amos from the library. the previous episodes. They're like people who are, they can absorb in, like, they have

like, idetic memories. They, like, hold information. There's a member of the constables who works underneath Max, and he is kind of speaking to Jaff. Jaff is kind of a rude asshole, I won't lie. She's like, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, Do you know, do I have to explain it in simple terms? Kind of an arsonhole. Massive prick. And he's like, because he's basically working out what she is.

And we kind of learned throughout the part of the opening of this, not like this novella, is that they have found five possible dead bodies in like the surrounding areas. And they've been, it looks like they've been killed by what is a local bird of prey called an ursid.

So that's obviously why they need a megast biologist to come and have a look. they've also got some more bodies and they've been moved into the cold storage underneath like low down in the fortress Drusia is escorted by one of the constables named Garofar

Drus is like a little bit like you know why are we here why they're dead bodies in like an estate not in a morgue like he says God this Eisenhorn guy he's like you know they keep hearing about this guy who's in charge he's probably an idiot or something

Bricky would you be so kind to read out this excerpt I had to add in a little bit more to it because it's funnier if there's a bit more context on it. That's more than, no, that's more than fine. Drew Scher and, is it Garifar? Garifar. Garifar, okay. Drewshire and Garifar halted in their tracks.

There was a man standing by one of the windows, his back at them. He was staring out. He was tall, broad and solid. His bulk covered in a long black coat. Throne, you scared me, exclaimed Garofar. I didn't know you were. back, sir? The man turned to look at them. It was impossible to discern his age. His craggy face was grizzled and badly scarred. Augmetic plugs and leads trailed back from pinch points and sockets in his

hairless scalp and disappeared down under his high collar. His expression was impenetrable. That will be all, deputy, he said. Shall I tell the others that you're, that will be all, the man said, unless you'd like to stay and discuss the unguarded sharing of confidential matters with outsiders. Garifar put the bag down, shot a look at Drusher, and left. Your Drusher?

The man asked, staring at Drusher. The man Max recommended. I am, said Drusher. My name is Eisenhorn, the man said. I believe there was something you wanted to tell me to my face.

Eish. Yeah. So he's ugly now. Poor, poor Eisenhorn. He's had some time on him. He's ugly and he can't smile. He is quite, old at this point. Again, this is, I think the, he may be nearing two centuries old at this point.

So he is quite old. And Drusha can kind of see it in his like form in his body that this is a very broken and like he, he doesn't understand how the man's still standing up because it looks like his body will give out. And he also thinks like, he also thinks Eisenhower is like putting it on for him. So he actually, this is what I will read like a small bit. But he says directly to him, he says, oh, you know, does someone once, you know, hurt you really, really badly? And then Eisenhorn slowly turns to look him in the eye and, like, takes a step towards him and says, the list of people in this galaxy who have not hurt me is very, very short, Magos. So it's not a good opening between these two. Yeah. They have some, they have some, a small dialogue here.

and to know things about Drusha, Drusha, Drusha's kind of retired, but not as like choice. Essentially, Gersham, the world they're on is like a backwater, and he's kind of detailed and like matted out every animal on the planet. So there's,

he kind of like lost work. So, and then he just basically retreated into this like terrible shack and he's like feeding birds and stuff. Like he, like he wasn't, wasn't really like a full existence. obviously he's divorced as well.

Like him and Eisenhower have a small like conversation about, you know, Eisenhower tells him like you could have retired like properly. And he says at one point, I hear that's nice. You know, the few jokes there. And Drewshire that kind of tells him like, I can't bring myself to do it. To which Eisen does respond to him saying, like there's a little bit of a link between them where he says, so, oh, to be fair to say, you would have not retired given the choice. because there is still so much work to be done.

Work that you really want to do and which you would prefer not to leave in the hands of others to finish. To which, Drew's like, yeah, that's kind of my vibe. To which Eisenhorn is like, yeah, I understand that. In their conversations here, Eisenhorn racks off of, again,

like, the dialogue is really, really goodness to Miller. And he racks off, like, creatures and fauna. And he's like, what's the bite size of a, you know, Velociraptor, like, sea raptor or something. like that, just to test if he's the real deal, to which Druscher aces. You know, he's pretty good. This is where Eisenhorn says, you just got to follow me. So Eisenhorn nail the savant jaf, detective Max and Drusha, they go down to the cold stall.

They tell, well, they are finally, Max and Druscher, obviously they're not part of the Inquisition, are finally told that there are 18 bodies that have been found over the, years. And Drusha, when he looks upon them, he immediately, like, because they, they try and point out, like, the bodies themselves, they look like they've been killed by a local, like, predator bird called an urs it. Except when they look at, like, when, sorry, when, uh, Drusha's looking at the bodies, he literally immediately says, this is not Drush, this is not Ursid work. Like, he determines that immediately. And then he also speculates that. that the places where the bodies are found is not also related to what these prayer to birds typically do.

It means these bodies, they've been dumped by a murderer, someone who's a killer. Which he actually turns to Eisenhower and said, but you already knew that, didn't you? To which obviously, like, Eisenhorn wouldn't, is not allowed to him anything, but he says it kind of confirms what I was already thinking. Mm-hmm. And Drosha's kind of getting sick of Eisenhorn. He's a bit of a hard ass. So he goes on for a walk. And he walks like just outside of the estate.

And again, like skipping over part of his story, he has this chat with a man who's like sketching. He seems like he's also interested in like the local fauna. And is a man like, he doesn't know who this man is. But like, he's like, oh, it's a really pleasant conversation. and Nail comes to find him saying, you know, where have you been? And he turns around the man is no longer there. What the hell?

That's a bit weird. Yeah. So, like, there's 18 dead bodies. He's sick of what's happened. He's gone outside. And then he's supposedly chatted to someone who he's like disappeared in thin air. So he doesn't understand what's going on. All right.

Well, that's a good start. You know, I like the guy's like, yeah, I'm sick of this Eisenhower guy as a hard ass. I'm like, yeah, dude, he's an acquisitor. Yeah, no shit. Yeah. Yeah, he's expecting a jolly happy fun time with a, guy that has balloons. Yeah, but what I'd like, like the, like, a lot of this book isn't,

I don't was not necessarily the main character of like the first half. And it's really building out this like thread of things like, you know, it's a good old return to like detective stories of saying. Uh, nail brings him back in and he's immediately interrogated by Max who, you know, is like, you know, oh, yeah, each time I like, have, they have a few like snippy things between each other and she's always like, oh, you always pout, don't you? stuff like that. So they're like,

and they're the only people who call each other by their first name in the novels. At this point, they, she's like kind of asked to politely leave as the interrogator Voriat and Medea Bettencourt, they come in and they also want to interrogate Drusha. Here we learn that Medea Bettencourt, even though like, most of the people in the novel,

when they see her, they're like, gosh, she's good looking, you know, like fucking hell. And then it's where like Drushian, if I looked into her eyes, he'd actually see, like, she's a bit older.

She actually states that she's 164 years old. And she says, Eisenhorn is over is a century and more than that. So this is like no longer like the same, like even the last book, this is no longer the same, like crew. Like this is a lot longer after like the previous novel. Yeah. Yeah, this is only the same crew, ma'am. They all fucking died. Yeah.

Yeah. We all died at the end of the last book. Yeah, no doubt. And it's, it's kind of like a weird sense of, it just, they feel, they have other members of the,

like, entourage, but they kind of kept out of sight, and it's like more of like the core group, like the core people he can trust are sort of with Eisenhorn the moment. Eisenhorn is like talking to Bettencore, like,

but then he's not in the room. So Drescher's like, what the hell's going on? And that's when he realizes Eisenhorn's a psycher. Oh, Eisenhorn orders Bettencore to bring. him into the room where he is. And they see Eisenhorn like slumped on a chair.

He's like in a cold sweat. And he speaks to Drusha and he says, what you saw outside was probably the best equivalent I can give you was a ghost. And underneath in like the cold storage, I've been like the ghost you saw is a byproduct of what I've been doing, which is I've been enacting seances with the bodies in the cold room, which if you remember for like the previous. like episodes a seance obviously where you like taught to the dead and i's one has done that like a few times

it was in um zenos where they did that with the heretic and then he turned into a chaos born so it's quite dangerous has eyes and horn not learned anything about the last episode you'll see you'll see yes like say on like and again like the dialogue between these two is quite good because it's very clear like they're just as smart as each other. He hasn't Horne states that the ghost was probably the man who used to own the house that they're in called Essek Fargoor. And in Jerusalem's conversation with the, uh, obviously ghost, the ghost had spoken about, you know, oh, I love the area I lived in, you know, he basically, we learned like some back story

like he died like old and painless. He doesn't mention like an offhanded comment about he's had this really eccentric neighbor called Draven Sark in a fortress called Keshter. Except there is no fortress Keshter. So they're like, what the fuck? But obviously,

Eisenhorn's research is not going anywhere, but they think maybe this is like a clue. They start searching through Fargo's library. Of course, the lady, Jeff is the one who's been mostly doing that. They're like searching for clues about who the possible neighbor was or like anything else.

to these murders that have been happening. This is where like the constable Garofar, the one who accidentally taught shit about Eisenhorn earlier, he mentioned something like an offhanded comment about Keshter relates for like a children's bedtime story to like scare them into behaving well. Kestu is like supposedly this like shade hall thing and if you weren't good at night,

all these monsters would come out and you know, you know, eat you up or whatever it is, you know, just to scare kids being good. He's very embarrassed when he tells a story because he thinks he's like interrupted a group of intellectuals, which he has, to be honest, but it's fine. Besson Corr at this point, she's guarding Eisenhorn when he sleeps

because he never gets good sleep, because obviously he's a psycher, and so his dreams are always horrific. Max and, again, like, skipping some scenes out to focus motion Eisenhorn, in the night, Max and Drusha, they get attacked by a reanimated corpse, swayed in, like, etheric magic.

and it's only when Harlan Nail appears, they all shoot it, but the bullets seem to like fizzle out before they touch it. So Harlan Nail use a special bullet that has an engraving of Enunciar upon it. And that's the only time it actually seems to kill this creature. We're going to go more into Enunciar here because from the events of this novel are directly linked to the current ongoing Warhammer like plotline thing they're dealing with. And I promise you it does get more interesting.

At this point, Max, she says, fuck, like, you know, the great enemy here, chaos here. She says, we need to call the governor, we need to call in the planetary guard. But Eisenhorn says, we're not doing that. We're just not doing it. To which Drusha says, that's weird. That's a bit weird.

Drusia goes to Dan again to sit and speak to Eisenhorn. and this is where Drusha, surprisingly, for quite a timid man in the beginning of the novel, he's like, I've kind of got, he's like, I've seen a ghost, I've seen like an unared creature. Like, I've got nothing left to lose now. He grows some balls and he says,

which I think quite funny, which is he says to Eisenhorn, I'll show you mine if you show me yours. And no one remarks on that. Calm down. No one remarks on the whole joke. It was so upsetting for me. But, Voriate and Jaff who are also there

they kind of looked to Eisenhorn and then he'd like nods and agrees and they're going to put their cards on the table so to speak Vorealant thing they throw on the table, eh? Vorek is a I was looking at the same thing once you move on hell, yay!

It's better that we move on, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Voriate whips it out, no, I'm joking, but yeah, it's a it's an interesting part to which they start doing their research as like a group together. And obviously, like, here, Drusha finds out, you know, they are from the

inquisition. They are interested in the murders, particularly. There's some more, before I get into the reveal about why they're interested in the murders. I just got a small excerpt for you, D.K., to explain, like, it's like weirdly offhanded in this section, but it's like, if you

forget about it, you don't understand the whole book. So, like, this is like partially with the investigation slash the main backsteads. story as to what's brought them to this planet, if you'd be so kind. His name was Lemuel Sark, and he secured his footnote in history four centuries ago through his research on Symbol Iota, which led to a breakthrough in a battle against a virulent pestlet known as Erlens Pox, also known as Bloodfroth or the Torment, said Jaff. It was a pandemic.

Sark's work was crucial in containing, I am familiar with the case, said Eisenhorn. Sark was able to confirm that Oren's Pox was not a natural contagion or a Zeno's plague, but in fact, a weapon deliberately bioengineered by a servant of the arch enemy. So we learn here. I like how you gave Eisenhorn, like he give Eisenhorn like a chaos voice. I am familiar with the case. I am familiar with the case, do it. The audio book is Toby Longworth, who's like, he does quite a few.

love me Toby Longworth. He does all the Gons Ghost books, I believe. I was not as you guys a question here, which is who's your favorite, like, audio narrator of all time? Who do you think has done, like, a really good job and you still, like, think about it?

I don't remember the name of the, of the guy, but the, whoever narrated, um, brutal cunning, for sure. I don't remember your name, though. Oh, I forget, I forget who it was too. but um because i don't think he has a huge repertoire but um i'm sure people in the comments are screaming jonathan kepple i know he like basically does everything but i do i think he will

jonathan creakie keble is absolutely great um but i think he be i think for a lot of people he's like de facto warhammer voice guy um and he's very he's very good but personally i think i'm with toby longworth as well and richard reed is also really good Um, but he has to have as big of a, of a list as well. But Toby, the thing that Toby Longworth does, though, is that in, in the Gant's Ghost books, he voices like six different Scottish guardsmen. And they all sound different enough to where if you played the voice of one of them, I could tell you which one it is.

And I think that's really impressive. And I think that deserves a lot of, like a lot of expressions. So yeah, I probably told me Longworth. Going beyond Warhammer, I would say Jeff Hayes, who does the Dungeon Crawler Carl books, because I've been devouring them. Man, that guy is funny. He's really good, and it's not often I hear like an American narrator. So I find it a bit like, as a Warhammer enjoyer. Yeah, American narrators aren't that funny.

He does a really good job, Jeff Hayes. Also, he's great. Brutal Cunning was narrated by Tom Allenby. Tom Allen He might have done the Year of Ventra stuff, I think, maybe But anyway, I'm keeping on to the story

So Lemuel Sark Is this like Supposed renowned Like medical Magos And he dealt with this thing The Ulrens parks The Torment, as they call it And it's maybe

The other Sark Draven Sark is possibly like a son or a grandson. And that's like, that might be the name of the neighbor who Fargoor was like talking about slash the one that Drusha ever heard. A known associate of this old, like this grandfather, uh, Sark was a man named Gorin Goblika, who to Eisenhorn is a known member of the cognatee. So Drush is like, who is that?

It's like classified. Interestingly enough, though, Drusha, they're examining again all the books they can in this estate and they've been trying to work out where this location of Keshta is. They don't know it's obviously surrounding them

because they're in like the old place where all these fortresses are even though they're in like the last standing one. They don't know where it is though. There's a point where um like Jaff the savant she's getting quite annoyed at how good Drusha is because he's like he's upstaging her

a few times Eisenhorn then does put some of his cards on the table and he says the reason they're interested is because we knew one of the bodies one of the bodies that was killed is a woman who used who has been his agent and been on the world for nine years and it's a woman named Thea Inchabelle

Inchabelle might ring a bell to you guys because that's the guy who was a familiar name he's this is the daughter of the man who's in the second book who like his inquisitor lord like his inquisitor died and he joined Eisenhorn for the events of the second novel and he was blown

up in the beginning of the third novel as one of the people who was linked to Eisenhorn and poor old Thea she's been killed so his daughter died and she died once again someone dies working

for Eisenhorn and I was kind of realizes, like, when he was trying to do a seance, Thea had been dead for quite a while, and he couldn't understand what she was saying, but she was screaming the word sark. So it's like, oh, it's like, the investigations come together a lot more. So the group decides we need to move out,

and we're going to go fire wherever this Kester is. Eisenhorn and Medea, they do speak a bit when they're leaving the estate. They think they're having an argument about whether to use him, in quotes, which is actually Terubail, interestingly enough. And Eisenhorn says it's too heavy-handed. It's not the time to do it.

So like, but she's clearly worried for like his state. He like moves the slowest out of all of them. So like, you know, his fighting day should be long behind him. At this point, there's Nail, Voriat, Gaff, Detective Max and the Magos Dhrusha. There are three other constables with. them and they go to this like forested area that drusha was able to work out much to uh jaff's you know annoyance and voriate also like makes fun of jaff for like you know basically not being as good as this like book pusher essentially and this is i saw a small side note here because i

wasn't again i don't make this the longest episode ever but there are some short stories in the eisenhorn collection one of them is actually called the keeler image and i was going to very very quickly explain it because it makes sense here, which is Eisenhorn, this is like a few years before the events of this novel, and he goes to an auction. There's essentially they're auctioning off an original copy of Keeler's, you know, Keeler from the like Horace Rising and like she's obviously the first saying from like, do you guys remember her as a character? She was a photographer, of course, during the Great Crusade, has to remember it to her. And there's an unspoiled image of Horace Lupercal before he was evil.

And there's been like this kind of auction take place. It actually turns out to, like, Eisenhorn's there because he suspects members of the cognatee will want that to, like, essentially, you know, like, hurt the Imperium in some way. It actually turns out to be an ambush because Eisenhorn was actually chasing a name, a woman he found to be, basically. in charge of at least the Cognité that he's looking for. A woman named Lillian Chase

who we'll talk about more later. Turns out to be an ambush that the Cognite knew he would turn up to. They turned it upon him. He thought he killed members of the Cognitia trying to hunt him. Turns out Eisenhorn kills two inquisitorial agents

of Audeau Hereticus trying to kill him. And then he summons Chirutlaer. Eisenhorn is out killing members of the Epirium great and awesome. Yeah, because at this point they, Eisenhorn's rogue and

Nail is still with him and like Medea but he's lost, like that's why he has such a small group and he also has summons Cherubail to kill the Inquisitors chasing him because his work is too important as much as it he does pains him to do it. But anyway, like this is

he has really learned nothing. That's like some small backstores like what's going on. This So when they're walking this forest area looking for this supposed Heshita, whatever, you know, this mythological shades place, Drusha asks about the cognatee and the man called Golblica. And I do have another excerpt, which is, is it, Bricky, this one is for you here. It's my turn, yeah. It is, this is, this is, this will help a lot of people understand what the hell is going on with the cognate. So this is where Eisenhower explains how they are.

The cognatee are a secret order, said Eisenhower. You think of them as a cult or coven. Their organization is very old. It may even predate the founding of the Imperium. Certainly in the last few centuries, and has enjoyed a resurgence in these subsectors. The cognatee are a pernicious threat to the very foundations of our society.

Is it pernicious or pernicious? I'd say pernicious. I thought it was pernicious. Yeah, I think so. Okay. They are ruthless. and they employ dangerous levels of intellectual rigor. What do they want? asked Druscher.

What does anybody want? replied Eisenhorn. Power, mastery, control. They believe that the domination of our culture and indeed the liberation of our species lies in the use of forbidden knowledge. They hide well. They work in secret.

They recruit very effectively. They establish secret scullums on many worlds, institutions where they raise and train prospective members, radicalizing them in the world. the process. Yeah, so the cult shit. The cognatee are perhaps the most dangerous threat that is not widely recognized, you know, even amongst the Inquisition and other parts of the Imperium.

Eisenman goes on to explain that he is trying to capture this woman slash kill this woman named Lillian Chase. And for those who have read a decent amount of horror's heresy, they might notice something about that name. in the end and the death of volume 3 in the hall of Leng underneath the seat of terror like where the emperor keeps like most of his secret tomes and all of like his treasures

there is a librarian who survives the siege of terror named Lillian Chase So you say librarian You're not referring to a space marine library No I mean like a human woman librarian Okay yeah Flash someone who works in the area Like in 40K you got to be sure

I gotta be honest though When you said Lillian I was like I had to ask because I was like that's a woman's name and then all my anger built up and I was like

ooh that can't be a librarian they're men only know They're doing it to librarians Oh no Guys the white crowd's gone crazy They let women read books now I can't

They came from my custodians And they're coming from my librarians Fuck But um Yeah so Lillian Chase is like Again that's a Dan Abnett book so how you know

crazy stuff so like he was building up like king and yellow stuff even in the siege of terror novels sure and Eisenman goes on to explain that he believes Lillian Chase and some of the others

like Goblita they work for a figure called the king in yellow and he believes what the Colnete want is to complete an entire lexicon of the language called an nuncia. Anuncia is like a power language that seems to influence the material verse.

It's not necessarily like a written language like how you think or how I would think. But like it could be related to the old ones, who knows. The Ravenna book actually go into like quite a lot of delving into that. Like they deal with like Anunciar quite a lot. So I assume if like if Dan Abin is expecting you to have read the Ravenna books, it'd be like, oh, yeah, even more like crazy cool stuff for that. reveal, but the cognizant to basically shape the material and immaterial universe is a, it's a language that works across both. The group themselves, they get to this spot where they think

the Kirshiter fortress should be, and they find nothing. It's just like woodlands and trees. And, you know, Jaff, you know, savant Jaff sets forward and says, well, this has been a complete waste of time. Truesho is obviously, you know, wrong, it's all right. We should go back and do more investigation. But Drusha makes an offhanded comment and says, like the trees are growing in the wrong direction here, like in the spot they're standing in. And he says like the birds also aren't making a sound here.

That's really weird. To which Eisenhorn is also curious. So Eisenhorn speaks a word of anuncia to test something. This is where it goes tits up, I won't lie. The whole group is transported. And they arrive in a scattered clockwork style Prometheum factory. They are so deep down, they can barely see skylight. So this is what they mean by it.

It's a shade smire. It's a place like, it's a place between two realms. So it's not, it's like there and not really there. And this is where the cognate are clearly hiding something. Again, because there's so many like different perspectives and other things in the book, I'm just sticking with Eisenhorn's scenes to keep it on Eisenhorn's law. He's gets separated from all of them, and he's, like, trudging along as, like, you know, it's, like, corrugated metal and, like, ladders and all that kind of stuff around the area and, like, tanks and all that kind of stuff.

And he spots a man with long hair and, like, a very black beard, and his eyes are, like, purple, that's shining purple. he notices there are other like elite cognate kill teams basically hunting them and the rest of the group around it seems like this is like very obviously a trap and above Eisenhorn he sees a withered man in this like cage like device he moves on he like hides in stealth moving like throughout the area

he eventually spots savant Jaff and she's with Drusha except she's got a gun to his temple. So he thinks, oh. Well, that's unfortunate. That is unfortunate. But they are isolated because obviously she's taking him somewhere.

He knocks her out using like an assist from Drusha. And Drusha tells Eisenhorn that she betrayed them. She shot Nail in the back and he fell over the rails to his death, basically. Oh, man. Yeah. which you do see that scene in another part. Drusia, like, is going to shit. Drusia asks what the machine above is,

and Eisenhorn speculates that this is something called an immaterial loom. He says it spins out the warp, and then it binds the atheric to the physical. That's directly from the novel. So this is something which is designed to channel. Obviously, whoever's in the cage is there used like a conduit, like channel warp stuff, and then kind of make it like be bound

into material stuff, which Eisenhorn's quite familiar with the concept as he's got a bloody demon host. So he's very familiar, which cannot be summoned because they seem to be like all vox, all communication is gone. Eisenhorn here, bit pissed, begins to interrogate Jaff

and she reveals that she was cognate, like born cognatee. She was in one of those Scholem schools of the cognate trained to like basically be a savant slash be something that Eisenhorn would take into his entourage. She's, she's never been with him. And, uh, D.K., this is like, so this is a, I have an excerpt from her, uh, interrogation, shall we say. And this is where like, most of the details finally, like, come together. If you'd be so kind. All right. Is this an imitarium loom? Yes, Jeff shivered. Every word tight and unwilling. How long has it been here? Sixteen century since it was built, watched over by a succession of magi. Of which a Draven Sark is the latest? The greatest. He found his grandfather's samples, the torment, the chaos disease. From it he refined an inoculation, a viral enhancement that would render

test subjects immune to etheric corruption. Thus, they might withstand the first stages of transformation by the loom. He has made it work. He has made it work the way Lillian wanted it to. To do what? To construct vessels, gasped Jaff. Blood was beginning to seep from her left nostril. Flesh is weak.

What we wish to accomplish surpasses the limits of human form. We are building better vessels, vessels that can survive the stresses involved. We call them grails. This is where the cool shit happens. She goes on to explain, as her head is like being slowly ripped apart and imploding, that the loom itself is there to make grails. Grails are very, very difficult to make. And she just, like, there's, that's the reason why there's been so many discarded bodies essentially.

And that's what obviously led them here. Grails, she describes them as, quote, good, like demon hosts. and so they're basically making angels in a weird way and they're designed to fight for the cognatee slash humanity and you know to remove the rotten corpse king the emperor the king in yellow currently has eight of them to which the character of Draven Sark who actually is the guy the interesting neighbor

he's in the loom and he's one the best candidates they've had in the loom to help create these things things. The king in yellow, who his name cannot be getting out of Jaff, he has eight of them, which obviously is related to chaos as eight-pointed star. The king himself and these grails can be found in a place called Queen Mab on the planet Sankor in the Angeles subsector. And then before Eisenhower can get any further, her head explodes. So. Of course, as it does.

This is the direct... Actually, her head just does that, by the way. Yeah. She actually didn't get shot or anything or psychically anything. Her head just does that. I was going to ask you guys, what do you think of the concept of humans making like good demon hoes or like human loyal demon hose? What do you, well, in some way like angels or grails?

Like, how does that hit you? Do you think it's like the worst idea? Yes, that sounds like the worst idea in the history of ideas. There's no way this. goes well. There is no way that these humans can probably actually control it regardless of whatever research they do. It sounds like it is just a recipe for disaster. It's like parading around, what were that, level A psychers or whatever in a parade? Sounds like a bad idea like that. Now, come on, D.K. Nothing has gone wrong with having a little bit of effort with some chaotic stuff in the last

three books. Yeah, nothing at all. Nothing has gone wrong in the last three books by just having a little fun. Yeah. Can a white boy have a little motion, D.K.? A little motion, yeah. God forbid. Can a white boy have a little motion and read a necronomicon? Yeah.

God forbid. God forbid. Yes, but it's an interesting idea because the cognate are not necessarily aligned with chaos, but they see themselves as acknowledging the truth of the war. and then using it for humanities, you know what I mean? Like binding the power to themselves rather than being a slave to it. And of course, to do that, they would need the god emperor and his throne of lies to be gone so that they could rule and protect humanity instead.

It's interesting like third faction idea to kind of like the, Drusha at this point, obviously with Eisenhorn, he's been saved by him, they have a little bit of an argument because Drushia wants to go and, like try and save the others who are being attacked by the other kill teams or like find them if they've been captured Eisenhorn just wants to push on and to find the loom and always you know try and get close as he can to the loom slash stop it Drew Sherlin says you know I've already worked out that you don't really work for the Inquisition anymore the fact that you didn't call in like there'd been clues throughout the novel like you know you didn't call in the guard or one things to help you you always want to keep things silent like you clearly are

going beyond what your parameters is. Eisenhorn says yes, because the Inquisition, like they're being so stubborn and ignorant to the threat of the cognate. Eisenhorn even says he thought, he basically thought there was a spy amongst his group, but he didn't realize it would be, you know, Jaff. He knows the spy is actually Vorient. Vorient still works for the Inquisition and is there to keep an eye on Eisenhorn, to which Eisenhorn's using him as like a double agent to try and get information about the cognate back to the Inquisition. So like Eisenhower knew there was like he knows he's like doing this on his own and he knows. That's actually quite funny because he's like, yeah, I know I got a spy and I'm trying to tell the spy of the problem and nothing's happening.

Yeah. So obviously from this point they will become aware of the cognate quite a lot. Druscher at this point tells Eisenhorn like screw you I'm going to go help like Max and my like friends he says like I'm not like you you have no friends and that's the reason you don't have friends because you won't go save them like me and you go choose the mission

which obviously like he's meant to do but also Drusha like as much of the book was like building up the similarity between Eisenhorn and Drusha this is where they clearly differ and he says like you know I'm going even if he's like a terrible coward. It's like, I'm still going to go try and help. So again, like, I'm not going to,

I'll let him do his thing in the side while he stick with Eisenhorn. Eisenhorn starts to stealthily try and get near the loom, he's had to get spotted by two of the members of the, like, the kill teams. He does make a realization that the, he's had pretension, because he's slow, he's so slow moving, they could have killed him at least twice by now. So he realized that they're not trying to kill him, they're trying to capture him. So he makes a gamble of saying, himself, this might be any way I can get closer to the loom. We know, without how he happens like fight through them. So he lets himself get shot in the chest, like in his gut.

He goes down and one of the guard like comes up. He shoots that guard in the head and the other one comes over and like kicks him and then just drags him before the loom itself. And he finally comes face to face with the, uh, the quote unquote fixer, uh, Gorin Golika, one who works beside. Lillian Chase slash for the king in yellow. He sees the withered and like the begging form of Draven Sark who's in the loom cage like saying, you know, let me out, let me out. And he realizes, oh my God, they did this to Thea and that she died like a horrific death in there like probably tortured or like, or they use like the torment thing.

The torment disease on her. And she died like a horrific death, which is why she was screaming his name. It's really sad again. That sucks. Yeah, that's fair. Also, I just find it funny that they're like, oh, yeah, these guys aren't trying to, trying to kill him. Shoots him in the stomach. Yes, that's what I do when I want to take someone alive.

Like, man, it's the worst place to shoot someone if you want to, like, capture them. Knee cap this guy or something. Yeah, yeah, but then you hit the femoral artery and then you're like, bah, that's true, too. Yeah, yeah. This is where we kind of head out to the kind of the, we're heading towards the end of the novella now. Golblica, he's a bit of a, you know, he's, he's, technically he was a mercenary, but he's like a true believer. And he starts like taunt the old and like, he sees Eisenhorn.

He's like, I've heard so much about you. And now I see you, you're just an old and broken man. He tells him, you're not dead because you're the perfect candidate to replace Draven Sark in the loom. And says, you'll be, you'll be made into the perfect. vessel because someone like you you know your body your mind like doesn't need to be strong it's your will that that infamous will you

have that is so strong it'll be turned against you he takes out he takes out a needle vial of that torment disease slash vaccine the one that keep referring to by SARS grandfather like that's part of what they do to uh see

they can basically create more grails, what they were doing is they'd put the torment disease into people, and if they survived it, they could potentially become a grail. But it has so many failures that's like, that's why there's a huge pile of dead bodies. But obviously, those who were the successful eight, who are grails slash good demon host, they are the ones who survived. And in fact, Draven Sark, the one who's in the loom, he survived it. And he actually became the weaver to make more grails. And that's the role Eisenhorn will take. The, yeah, so gobbler gets out the vial. He's about to, like, put it, like, inject it into Eisenhorn's neck.

He says, Taisenhorn, this will push you fully over the edge into the heretic you always are. Eisenhorn decides, fuck no. So he's, like, pull, he, like, chains around his hand. He, like, yanks down. He starts to fight back. He uses his metal leg braces to stamp on the guy. his feet and then they howl because obviously it's super painful. Jesus.

He bruises them up pretty badly, but then Gaubleek is a mercenary. And then when they're fighting in hand to hand, unfortunately, Eisenhorn gets caught out in a move. And then the injectors in his neck, he falls to his knees and he slumps forward and his world just goes dark. Eisenhower's eyes, Eisenhower's eyes, sorry, open. And he feels like he's on fire. Like he feels like he's burning alive. Before him, though, like the vista before him is not what he expects to see. He's no longer in this like world between words, like hidden Promethean Factorum. He's in this what's called a hospice of St. Bastion. And he feels like he's been here before, like maybe in his youth. He starts to wander around and he sees like other members or like people who look kind of familiar. And it says like they're like people who are like infected by a pandemic or something. There are insects like swarming in like the distance and like trees.

And this is where like a doctor character, one of the doctors who is treating the play, comes up to speak with him. And he tells them they are all casualties of his war, his private war. He's like, he's wondering who this doctor person he's speaking to is. He says like this like, honestly, like this is all happening in his mind, of course, like something very, like this is like a mind-scape. The doctor says to him, oh, you remember, you know, Pontius, and the others, the big, you know, you remember Quicksos, the big guys who you defeated, but you don't remember, quote, the 100,000 names of those he never cared to learn. So I think this is implying, like, over 100,000 people have died because of Eisenhorn and, like,

his actions, and, you know, basically every fight he's been in has resulted in this. It's 100,000 people. Has he actually affected 100,000 people? I mean, I guess Almost 300 years old So yeah Does it kind of Yeah

Doesn't it kind of like Also take into the assumption Like side casualties That's what it implies Yeah You know But it goes from like These are the people who

You've interrogated before This is like people who have been Killed as a result of You know You trying to fight your enemies For the bitter end Like These are not people who have like

Died and he's been there These are people who have died because of him. It's implying this doctor character who he keeps forgetting the name or but he knows he's met before says, you know,

they're having this weird like dynamic of the conversation and Eisenhorn says you know, there are guardrails. There are guard rails for those of my order who have gone too far. I've not gone too far.

So as a doctor responds, you mean like labeling people a heretic? And so Eisenhorn is like, hmm, you got me there. you know, maybe you got me there. He says, can you see that you've gone too far? You're a man who has no friends, and all those have called him friend have suffered.

He says, quote, look at yourself, sir, and tell me what you would call a man like you. To which Eisenhorn has no words, like absolutely no words. This is where it gets really, this is the sad part of the book. the doctor's trying to get Eisenhorn to admit that he's always been a heretic. Eisenhorn, again, like, mind you, he has the sensation of, like, he's on fire. So, like, he's in immense pain.

And he also gets a sense of, like, this torment disease is, like, trying to turn him to chaos. Like, he keeps, like, he's seeing this, like, mind-scape thing, because this is what the, um, injection slash, you know, warp-taint, uh, injector does. And that's what eventually is.

killed everyone else who's suffered this, poor like Thea, is then like the scene switches. Eisenhorn gets dragged out of this room by another figure we haven't seen the long time called Titus Endor. If you guys remember from the previous episodes, Titus Endor is Eisenhorn's like friend, who was also an inquisitor when he was growing up. He's the guy who, he's not like that serious. He's in the first book, he's there at like the council meeting and he's like always size with Eisenhorn. In the second book, he agrees to help fight Quixos alongside Eisenhorn,

but then he also breaks into their manner and he tells Eisenhorn he's being watched. But Titus Endel also, he's been dead for quite a long time. Eisenhorn says, you're dead. Because Eisenendor died the same way their old master, Inquis de Hapchamp died, which is basically he got like these mind-infecting worms that like basically give you dementia and he died like a horrible death and Eisenhower's like put him down so

dementia worms yeah and Eisenorn made a confession of like I suspected you he like a basic confession I suspected you had them maybe you got them from our master

and like I could have told you earlier I could have like given you a good end of your life but I didn't because I was so obsessed with my work to which Endor says don't worry old chap come on he's a joined us to which us is he drags Eisenhorn to this like

campfire he sees Titus Endor he sees Midas Bettencour he sees Harlan nail he sees Kara Swall he sees Uba Amos he sees Ravana

but not as he was injured but as he was before he sees you know possibly maxilla Aaron Fisig, he sees Nathan Inchabelle sitting with his daughter, Thea. And it's a really bizarre scene because they're all, like, dancing, they're drinking, like, you know, they're patting him in the back, say, you know, they like, when they toast, they say, to the man who got us killed, you know. Like, it's essentially everyone like he's ever, who's not like he cared about, but who've cared about him. And he would, like, you know, they're all here.

and it's just like a weird scene of like you know it's like all hit his guilt like all the people who was like he's in some way let down he talks to Nathan saying you know I wanted to serve you I followed you and you got me killed you got my daughter killed you know it's like fucking hell man like Jesus slap some of the guilt trip across the board yeah he speaks to I was I was a guy I was I go to go ahead

I was I was just gonna say I was gonna make the same we preference I made with the with the with the with the, with the, with the, and the, and the, and the,

and the, and the, and yeah, it's just sad. And then, yeah, like, he speaks to Uber Amos,

who he's not seen, obviously for, you know, I mean, Amos is long dead and he's like, what's happening to me, Amos? Like,

what's in this thing that's been injected into me? Why am I seeing all these things? I then Eisenhorn talks to Endor again and he says out loud, he wonders, because their old master, hapshant, he died,

by the mind worms. He was obviously insane by the year. He only died like a few short years after him and Endor were made into inquisitors, which means the worm is already in his mind. So he says to Endor, what if we were chosen by a madman

who didn't have his faculties in play? What if he chose us because he saw that it was something wrong with us? Like he sees the madness within us. And then it's like at this point where he speaks more to like, Amos. Again, like he's seeing all the people who he's like ever kind of semi-cared about here. And then like even Midas, like one character says like, you know, Medea's not here yet, but she will be, you know, like, because she follows you. So like, it's just piling on the guilt.

I isn't all sorts of wonder if the torment, the warp plague in his mind, is not there to actually turn him to chaos. it's there to reveal the core of the person underneath. And interestingly in this novel, it's meant to, I think he's trying to say to us that because it's like showing the core of who you are, like to most people, it's such a frightening prospect, it kills you. And to Eisenhorn, like, he's really seen the core of his person he's having to like deal with it. And then this is where he gets to see a part where Ravenna says, this is you're going to see it next, it's coming soon.

It's like, what's coming soon? The place where you were born, like, properly, like where you were turned into the creature that you would become. Eisenhorn is transported back to the Spatian Gate. The same Spatian Gate, you know, in episode two, is it Malleus? Yes, Malius. And there was the massive, like, disaster, you know,

the massive, like, the planes, like, launching into the crowd and the Titans. You remember that? Oh, is this the, uh, with the, the alpha level psychers all getting loose? Yeah, yeah, he's returned. Yeah, yeah, I remember. Jesus Christ. He's returned to this and the burning on his body seems to intensify. Ravenna says to him, this is the day that you change from being like a man loyal to duty and a man loyal to like revenge essentially because he chased Quixoss because of what happened to Ravenna.

Like he, something on this, on that day died within him and then led him on this path. Eisenhorn starts to feel his skin The disaster again The Fratian disaster happens before him And he starts to feel his body In golf and flames His skin peels He feels his skin like

And his nails coming off His bones start to blacken and char And it's like the final truth of him Is like laid bare And he's about to like almost end Until someone grabs his hand And Bricky this is a bit of A slightly fatter one

but it's honestly one of my favorite scenes in the whole thing, if you'd be so kind. She was holding his hand. That was all a long time ago, said Elizabeth. Do you not suppose, she said, it's ironic. The only woman, the only person you ever loved was a pariah, untouchable and cast out anathema to human contact. The thought had crossed my mind, he said. The fire will end soon.

promised. Too late, he replied, it has unmade me. I have raked through my own ashes and understand. So use that, she said. You have never been able to save anyone, not really. Not me, not Gideon, not Midas, not even yourself. You are doomed and always have been. And so are all who know you. I should have stopped years ago, he murmured. Nothing holds you now, she said. You can walk the last few kilometers without any burden. Nothing matters to you anymore. Can you use that freedom for me? To save you, he asked. She shook her head. Far too late for that, she replied. She smiled. But a part of me, I have, I will have. It's hard to explain. A daughter? That's the easiest word, but it's not accurate. She is of me, but she is also me, and another pariah. You've done enough, Gregor.

Forget Chase and the king. If you keep going, determined to stop them, you will fail. You will never have the will despite the uncommon will I know you have. You'll never have the will to finish this alone. So do something simpler for me. Save her. Save her from the king before the king claims her. Let me have some afterlife in her.

At the moment of his death, like, it is like when the warped, disease gets the corpus being Elizabeth is there and she saves him. She tells him what I really like this book is trying to say I think Dan Abbott's trying to say don't be a hero. You're not a hero. You can't save everybody but you can say you can do one good thing for one person he could save in quotes the beta to her alpha

Eisenhorn, he's done enough. So, you know, he doesn't, like, he's, he can't beat the King and Yellow. He can't win every battle. And if he, even if he tries, everybody ends up hurt and, like, dying. So just do one last thing and save Beta Beckwin, who will be born not long from this time. I think he says five years from now, she'll be born in the Maison Dew on that planet where the King in Yellow is. save her, which is again,

the story of Beta Beckwin, and it's so good those books. They're so fucking good those ones, but we're going to get to that. I did not realize that the other Beckwin books were not of Beckwin Beckwin. No. I did not realize that.

Beta Beckwin, again, it's not like a Beta Beckwin episode, but it does say, like, she doesn't look exactly like the original Elizabeth Beckwin, but it is uncanny. uncanny. It is like saying like that's like her sister. But you know, I mean, like, it's almost

identical. But she does look certainly different. And there's still some mystery behind it. I have a fan theory, but I won't put that on here. But she is almost like, it should be said to Beckwin's like body at one point was stolen. Like her body was stolen. And obviously it's been stolen by the cognate. So we don't. And I don't know if it's like a full on rebirth. like it's her soul like reborn is still the third book hasn't come out yet but this Elizabeth Beckwin or maybe maybe the soul of her maybe the representation of her she comes in at this point and saves Eisenhorn in the vision they both stand on his birth world de care's world because they said at one point they always want she always wants to go visit where he was born and before them something called a regia archaacorn Hulter portal opens. There is an annoyingly short story, which is actually in chronology order,

the very first story of Eisenhorn, where it's like his first independent mission, was to deal with something called a regia recultia. And what it essentially, have you guys seen Thor the Dark World, really random? Did you want to talk about? Yeah, in fact,

that would be one of the Horace heresy books that is actually trash. No, no, the film with Thor. No, I know. I'm making the show of how I, I've talked about Marvel early. and how some are actually trashed and that's one of them.

My brain is she, I don't think I've ever shot Dark World actually. Yeah, but you know, the Dark World fucking sucks, dude. It's fucking terrible. But there is a scene in it where like, you know, they have like those realms and they're like overlap at one point. Yeah. Like all the different like a regular culture is something like that where like something like

in the warp and real space seems to overlap and it creates like a portal. In the Eisenhorn short story, he actually kills an orc that's been like murdering people in this like town. But here a reggae recultor opens and he bids Elizabeth farewell and he walks through. He falls over and then lifts his head to see before him a city of dust. Beside him is a figure that he knows well. Perubail is floating beside him. He tells him this is not, this is, like he is here, like really here and also not here. But if he steps forward, he could be here like for real.

This is 25 years in the future. This is the year of the Imperial Calendar 500. Before him, in the city of dust, is the king in yellow. Terubail tells Eisenhorn that he, like, he senses something in Eisenhorn has changed. Like, there's something like a man who, you know, the phrase of Nietzsche, like, you know, if you stare into the abyss in some people, bling. This is the thing, like he is staring into the abyss of who he is, and that's maybe what the disease, like, injection was supposed to do, but they weren't expecting him to accept it. Trudeau reel states to Eisenhorn, he's actually completely bound to his will now. Like he's, like, he doesn't have to be, like, chained or, like, binded or anything.

Like, Troubaelle is completely bound to Eisenhorn. And if he goes forward, he will basically do an action that serves the god emperor. So if he goes towards city of dust, he will serve the emperor. But if he heads back, he'll save his friends, slash the people who were, you know, in danger. Troubale does tell Eisenhorn my favorite this is the favorite part of the novel even though I like this novel quite a lot

there's the favorite line which he says oh don't tell anyone but you scare the absolute shit out of me right now so obviously something really different has happened to Eisenhorn to where a demon host is terrified of him yeah that's crazy and this is where

for the first time in centuries Eisenhorn smiles which Troubill has says, oh, that's back. So obviously, in some way, he's, like, been a bit healed. It's like a metaphorical type heel. I mean, he does actually smile, I'm assuming, but, like, yeah, it's also like a, like, a metaphorical type thing where he's, like, actually

mentally and physically better, yeah. Yeah. Eisenhorn goes back. Inside that Promethean factory, the, in the lower levels, due to the shenanigans or, like, Drusha and the other characters, The Prometheum that sits at the bottom has been ignited, and there's a massive fire. Golika has actually put him inside the loom and has activated it. It starts to power up the entire thing.

Eisenhorn's eyes are shining purple, and Goblica is like celebrating because I turned Eisenhorn into a heretic, I did it, I did it. Again, skipping over the other characters, like stories to focus on Eisenhorn, the survivors, which are, surprisingly, Nail, Nail didn't die, but he did almost fall to his death. He's really badly aged. He did actually live, but he believed, I as one believed he died. Detective Max, who, she had to wrestle this woman,

like, in like a, like, they had a proper beat down between her. They're smacking to those, like, heads on, like, grating and stuff. It's pretty brutal. But she's alive. Drusha is alive. He survived as well. He does some shangans with. like some enunciar bullets again not a time this episode and a very like on death door

variant he's like they managed to kill like the last like the goons essentially druscher rushes over to eisenhorn who uh is now surging with war power from the loom and he's not quite himself he Eisenhorn unexpectedly to the cognate has managed to turn the loom's power onto himself. He actually used they're like dead corpses in the area and he used them to create the corpses that were reanimated earlier to try and kill. He killed Kobliko

with one of the corpses. It like turns him into ash because it like it eats his soul. A bad way to go. But the problem is with all the powers surging in Eisenhorn he doesn't want to leave the loom. He says if I use the loom I could destroy the city of dust, I could end it now.

So he starts to almost like lose himself again to sense of I could actually win if I keep going forward, to which Drusha argues, you don't know what the consequences of this power is. You may use it on the king in yellow and then do irreparable harm to the universe. But obviously, Eisenhorn is not quite himself because the war power is like conduiting through him. So it's like he's almost not really there. Drusia at this point, from like a bigger plot throughout the story, he actually has a bullet of an nuncia in his pocket. it, he takes it out and he uses it to break Eisenhorn out of the loom, to which Eisenhorn's

initially pissed about, but then he also comes around being like, if I had done that, I would have died and who knows what happened. And this is where basically gets the very, very tail end of the book where the group is leaving and they're confronted by Draven Sark, who was the guy who was previously in the loom slash the infamous neighbor who they were like watching upon slash the investigation led them to hear. Except they're pretty sure that's not really Draven Sark in that body. Draven Sark shouts a word of anuncia, sending them all flying back except Eisenhorn.

What I can only describe begins as a shouting match of anuncia between the two. They just start speaking words of anunsyr at each other, and it just sounds like people's eardrums are bursting from, you know, the incredible power between them, and just sounds like the world is, like, breaking. Eisenhorn manages to dominate over Draven Sark and destroy his body, but this starts to let out the creature that was really inside his body, which is the demonic manifestation of the torment plague itself, which starts to bloat and erupt from his body. So they just run. They managed to escape out of the area and collapse the barrier, which was like keeping it out of real space, slash in real space, using more enunciar. this action itself along with the fire underneath that was set alight during their battles

basically detonates the entire factory and manages to banish the demon just in time this is where the novel ends with Eisenhorn having this kind of last conversation with Dhrusha and it's the point where like they kind of mirror each other in many ways but then you see the different choices that maybe Eisenhorn could have made if he was more like Drusha. Drusha, him and Max, throughout the novel, they kind of rekindle their love, and they agree to, like, kind of be an item again. Drusha chooses to stay, and he's like, I'm not going to go out and continue my work again.

And like you, I'm going to actually choose the good ending. I'm going to go live a life of peace. And he, because Eisenhower says, you could come join me because you're obviously you're very talented. He says, you know what? Probably not for me. So he actually, you know, the man actually chooses the good ending.

Eisenhorn at the end of this novel, like he leaves Drusia with a handshake and he smiles at him. To which Drusia says, I've never seen you do that before. He says, you know, like, you know, this is pretty new for me again. The novel ends with Eisenhorn. Like his body's a little bit healed, I take it,

and he feels renewed. And in a sense, he's preparing to help find this beta beckwin, this new beckwin that will be born five years from now. and to essentially battle the king and yellow from corrupting slash, you know, hurting this beta beckwin. And that's going to be the next thing he does. And that is the end of Magos.

Yeah. This one is a bit of an interesting novella, this one. I find it quite, I say, how do you guys think about it? Because it's more to deal with, like, it's more of a set up novel to do with like the king and yellow stuff. Yeah. It does. It's not got a lot of like self-introspection. It's like, all right, Eisenhorn went like to total shit last book. Let's kind of, let's kind of realign him in a way that makes more sense. I think it was also to do with a part of confront, like he had to come to terms with like the inner. I appreciate that this has written quite a while after the original trilogy. And it's clear to see, like, maybe Dan Abner was himself a bit older and wiser as well,

because he really makes the Eisenhorn character sort of say to him. Like, the previous trilogy were all saying, like, you know, oh, I had to do it because chaos is like the enemy and I must do that. Whereas this novel says, maybe you didn't have to go that far. And in some way, you were obsessed with the work. And that's, you know, essentially the path drove you on too far. And then, you know, don't be the hero. you're not no one is the hero just do one good thing rather than try and save the galaxy also from a galaxy of you know populated by humans who you don't seem to like very much so maybe say someone you do like uh which i very much enjoy i got to admit uh with agreement in shy's thing here i do too i just read over it and i was like aye yeah so shy makes a statement about how the cognate king in yellow anuncia alonius piercens

perpetual city of dust, Pada Beckwin, Weaver of the Warpaloom, Star Child. All of these, like, crazy billion-year conspiracies feel completely different than 40K. But unfortunately, Dan Abnett is, of course, like he seems like he really likes these esoteric, deep Eldrick stories, but he's the Warhammer guys, so they kind of can never stick with them for very long.

And then he has to kind of move on and get back to Bolter or get back to, like, other types of bits. Which I think I would actually agree with, because, like, I feel like learning about them in a, in a digestible TLDR thing is more interesting than would be reading about them. Because for the most part, like a lot of this tends to, seems like it tends to fizzle. King and yellow, less so. But a lot of the other stuff kind of either fizzles or, or Games Workshop realized maybe it wasn't a very good idea. Yeah.

And therefore, they kind of like canned it. Like, shit, man. Yeah. I don't think they, they've made anything about perpetuals in forever. with the exception the new like death stuff where they kind of touch on it a little bit

do you fair like they because when I know what you mean because when Dan Abner introduced the perpetual stuff in the horror's heresy he did almost like I don't know if he was told to

but like he did end it so like even you know like I hate to say the word John Gramascus and give people a heart attack because they hate that because much

but that and Alani is like that kind of whole perpetual thing did end. So, like, in some way like that, I'm sure if someone was, like, reading the horror series, he was coming out, like, that was like 15 years plotline. But the, um, that one's kind of ended. I hope so, at least.

The King of Yellow stuff, we don't do. That third book, which is called Pandemonium, that book should have already come out, but I believe Dan Abnett was, uh, I don't know what his exact quote was, but he was said, they were delaying the release of it as to not confuse, new people. Oh.

Which is interesting because then you ask, why, what are they keeping it for then? What's the king? Does that mean the TV shows are related to this plot line? Because they want to go into that? I don't know. Like, is it a spoiler? If this book comes out before the TV show comes out, who knows? But I like the, yeah, like, it's weird.

It's quite strange this novella where like it's like, it's one event. like it's the investigation and then like the final fight. So not really much happens, but I really enjoyed the introspective work done with Eisenhorn. It's like a, it's not a deconstruction of his character, but it's that whole point of people say like,

oh, he's so, Eisenhorn is so cool. And then this book is saying, no, he's just really, really broken and he needed to not be a hero to actually find more inner peace, which I guess is a good message,

uh, if you guys are listening. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It really feels like the last two books are very much like, yeah, no, he's not this cool guy that you thought he was. He's actually just horribly broken, made a ton of mistakes. Kind of learned from them in the end, I guess. Not really, but yeah.

What would you guys, because now we basically, Eisenhorn becomes like a secondary character from this point onwards, though. Because I guess the work is like done with him. But yeah. What would you rate the Eisenhorn? Obviously, you didn't really, we were skipping out from our discussion from you. Yeah, well, you're rating me then at that point. But how would you rate the story of Eisenhorn? Like, did you find it interesting?

Do you think like, oh, maybe it's a, like, it was like a product of its time, the early ones? And maybe it like, or just seems very, like, depressing. What do you guys think? I was pretty interesting to me. I enjoyed it. I, I, here's the funny thing. I can actually, with the exception of Pontius and the, and what's his name, Trubeil, I couldn't name you a single villain that you said over the course of the four books.

And so all of that stuff did not do it very much for me. But all the Eisenhorn self-reflection and internal team stuff with like Amos and Beckwin and Bedincor. Fishing Like that stuff is good I like that stuff. I like those people Those folks were cool. Also yeah,

it is impressive how good they were considering the time because like these are older books too, right? Yeah, like it's 2000, I think it's it 2000, 2001. It's one of that it's in like, it's that thing of it still holds up

and again, I have that thing of I really recommend people reading this because is really hard for me to do it justice because all the novels are like Mosy Eisenhorn's like thoughts so again like we miss out some of the new ones

we just like you know describing the scene versus actually like how he thinks and felt about it is very very different but like it's super fascinating man like the story of Eisenhorn emac gets people locked in to like learn about Warhammer law it's kind of a shame there's not really

anything that similar to it though. I can read it like this in the Ravenna ones, there's not really like an inquisitor but that stands out like as an equal. And in some way a lot of Warhamer law like stands upon the shoulders of what this original

trilogy was, you know, I think this came out before there was a horror's heresy. You know what I mean? Like that's how long ago we're talking. So it's a different era and it still feels to what I do like, it's still, it's incredibly relevant now. Like all of this stuff is like we're still talking about it you know 2026 today again like my i would agree like my only

christen is you don't get a lot of i maybe it's like a maybe like as a thing of the era but you don't get as much time with the villains the villains seem more of uh i guess too maybe in like a detective story a vehicle to move yeah forward but but then you get king and yellow which is like a commonly known villain as like a big thing but it doesn't happen until now which is the last though. I guess like in real like detective like story, they're not really like continuously interacting with like the main villain. They find the villain at the end of the investigation. So maybe I just don't, maybe I'm like my readings of like the last like 20 years. I've been more used to like the villain was the guy beside you or you know, like they keep, you know, they survived the villain for

the first fight and then they keep coming back. Like I don't know if I'm more used to that type of stories. This one feels quite jarring. But, uh, yeah, a lot of fun, Eisenhorn. Uh, I will happily come back to it every few years just to like rereading it is like, even if I know what happens, like, it's kind of fun because like, uh, it's just good. Like, there's nothing like bad about it. Like it's still good. It may not be everyone's favorite novel, but it's, they're really good. They're solid. Yeah, yeah. They're pretty damn solid. And it's like, it's core Warhammer law. So hopefully you guys listening enjoyed.

Hopefully, I did an all right job. I'm sure the people being like, if I got that thing, you forgot that? Yes, I did. That does everywhere. Everything can't cover every damn thing. It goes without saying. Don't worry. If you would cover it every little thing, then people in the comments be like, how could you spoil the eyes and horn books?

Now no one will read them. You know, some of them are good. Some of them are good. I don't know. I mean, like, I've, there's definitely. I feel like the Eisenhorn and crew stuff is more interesting to me overall, which is, uh, yeah, you get a lot of time with these people. That's, that's amazing. I'm so, like, I get really sad in these books because I, you know what I mean? It's that thing of by the end, I spent so much

time with them. I'm like, oh my God. Like, come on. Like, when, when Fisig died, I remember that in the first time I read that. I thought, holy fuck. Like, I didn't, I couldn't see that coming. Oh my God, Halst, stop. Eisenhorn is at my door. my doorbell actually just rang right now and I do need to go it actually just rang oh my god what an ending thank you so much Hal for teaching us all about eyes oh most perturbatory indeed thank you Hal for teaching us about war hair or galore i gotta go see you next time people shit all right bye

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