Adeptus Ridiculous - THE INFINITE AND THE DIVINE - Review and Discussion | Warhammer 40k Books

Episode Date: June 5, 2021

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Another episode of The Adeptus Ridiculous. I'm D.K. Diamante's. I know very little about Warhammer, but today's episode is going to be a little bit different. Normally, Bricky is sort of teaching me about all the ridiculous craziness of Warhammer 40K. But today, we've got a bit of a book club. A bit of a book club about the infinite and the divine. But before that gets going, if you enjoy today's book club, head on over to patreon.com. slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to our Discord. If you join the $15 tier, you get access to all of those sweet, sweet digital HD posters and access to bloopers and great stuff like that.

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You don't? I don't think I do. Oh, shit. You'll learn about this soon. Woo, woo. Woo, let's go. Okay. So, D.K., do you want to tell the people what we're doing today?

We're doing a book club about the infinite and the divine. That old Trezin and Oricon. Orican? Orican. Didn't they call them Oricon? Whatever. It was Orican. Whatever.

Point being, it's more than just like a book club, though. Like, for those of you who are listening or watching, imagine this is kind of like a review discussion. Because we're probably going to, so we're obviously going to not do spoilers. for a while. And then talk about it, talk about it if we liked it, you know, the usual kind of reviewing type things. And then later on in the episode,

we probably will get into some spoilers because I'm sure we want to talk about it. Yeah. But it's going to be much more structural, like a review and more of an intrigue and like, oh, this is kind of cool. We could talk about it as opposed to be, because like a book club is normally like,

what, like eight people kind of get together? And they're like, what did you think of chapter 13, Susan? And it's like, oh, I think the meaning. Lots of teams. And hoity and hoity-toity, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, and then they get executed by the French and, you know, Marianne. This escalated very quickly. We went from sipping on tea and being hoity-to-to-ed to being executed.

Whoa, if the French love anything, it's being hoity-toity, sipping on things, and revolutions. Fair. Fair enough. So, D.K., do you want me or do you want to talk about it? about what the book is about. Either way, you can go ahead and give like a brief synopsis. All right, I got this. So the Infinite and Divine is a recent book released by the Black Library.

And in fact, I am so bad at this. I wanted to say who wrote it and who and who voiced it because this is very important. I believe Richard Reed narrated it. And he did a phenomenal job. If you can listen to it on Audible, I recommend. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with getting a physical copy.

But God, he does such a good job with, like, all of the accents. And even, like, some of the noises, like, there was a, I think there was, like, a spinning energy saber. And he literally does the fomp noise for it. Oh, I love, I love when he does that. Someone's, like, twirling their staff. And he's always doing, like, fwomp, fomp, fom. Yeah, he does such a great job.

If you can listen to it on an audible, listen to it on Audible, for sure. So, the Infinite Divine, written by Robert Rath, narrated by Richard Reed, is the story of Trazen the Infinite and Oricim the Diviner, two very old robo boys who are having a nerd war over the course of 10,000 years on the same planet over a MacGuffin. Over a MacGuffin. And that is the story. It is, it is Trays in the Infinite,

Mr. I'm going to steal you and put you in my vault, an Orican the Diviner, the physical embodiment, why do I need sex when I could have science? And the two of them constantly fighting over a McGuffin that happens to possibly do something on this singular world over the course of literally 10,000 years. It is a constant game of one-upsmanship.

It is spy versus spy in Neckron world. There's a little bit of buddy cop in there. And it is, you would assume, would be a comedy. And it is for like the first third. And it still remains funny throughout the rest of the book. But it definitely takes a little bit more of some interesting turns. And it can become, it can become a little feelsies sometimes. Yeah, it definitely turns a lot more serious towards the latter half.

Like you said, there's still some, there's still some goofies. and ha-haz, but it's, it's becoming much more apparent that there is some, um, this McGuffin has way more serious overtones than they first expected it to. So, D.K. Mm-hmm. What did you think of the infinite and the divine? I, I, so at, at points, it was kind of hard for me to follow, since I'm not, like, super well-endowed with, like, Warhammer stuff.

So, like, they would, like, describe an arc and I was like, what the fuck, what the fuck is? I don't know what the hell that is. is. But for the most part, it was pretty solid. I think I, one of the best parts was like, so I know that Necron's live for like a long time, whatever. Like you shoot one and reanimates, whatever. The scope of how they view time is fucking hilarious. Like to them, 60 years is just a trifle. No big deal. In, like, what was it? In the Necron court, they were like, oh, yeah these usually take like 12 years but totally normal no big deal that's 12 years well who cares

we're infinite um there's a fantastic part of the book where like the narrow areas constantly like and it's been 2,000 years since the two of them have seen each other you're like what what we're doing this time skip like that yeah there's like they act like it was minutes ago it's crazy they act like they just dropped their their friends off at like at home after a party and it It's the day after. No, honestly, there's a lot of great moments when they kind of play with that idea of time and how little time matters to a Necron because they're functionally immortal. One of my favorite parts of it was when they're talking about how they're talking about how

that the war in heaven is a play, like a full on a drama in the Necron tier. and that because they've lost the need to use to sleep to have like to go take a shit or whatever the war in heaven play is like three decades long it's like a 30 year long play it is yeah and they were like oh yeah we tend to get a little carried away because like we're robots now so like our processing is so much better so when we write these things we put in every little fucking detail imaginable and we tend to maybe get a little overhand it's like a 30 year

play it's actually quite it's quite fun because the two characters have okay so I mentioned before I'm reading the night lord stuff and that not only are they just the edgiest people on the plant but they're also like a startis and astardies are

generally known for being very lacking in emotion so it's incredible that these two undead robots or immortal robots have significantly more emotion than the Astardis do. Should we cover the plot just a little bit? Yeah, we can cover the plot a little.

I mean, we can cover the little. At some point, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, long story short, it opens with Trazen. And Trazen has, well, it starts off way back in, I think, in around 30,000, he's fighting off a bunch of Eldar Exodites,

which are the ones riding dinosaurs and stuff. and he's just trying to get stuff he's being meamy old treason within the first 20 minutes of the of the book he gets like bit in half by a dinosaur and he's like well shit and he walks right back in to get this stuff but right after

chapter one he's in his galleries and Orican is being a little mischievous asshole and he's looking for something called the I it's such a macuffin that I'm almost forgetting its name the Astrarium Mysterios There you go.

There you go. The Astoria Mysterios, which Orkin believes is a very, very important artifact that he believes can open up like an ancient Necron tomb world. And in that tomb world, it's untold importance. And it's very important for science and all this kind of stuff. And natural that two of these guys don't like each other very much. So they fight over this Asteroa Mysterio's, like, for how long, for like three things? thousand years. Yeah.

They're constantly one-uping each other, trying to take it. It's always like, I stole it, you stole it, I stole it, you stole it, and they're going back and forth the entire time. Because obviously, Trazan is like, ooh, Necron Tomb World, loot, plunder, oh, things from my gallery, and Orican is very, very sciencey. He's like, I wish to unlock the secrets of the cosmos and all that crap. Yeah. Orican also apparently doesn't like Trazen because his whole gallery being in a constant standstill

fucks with the timeline a little bit because Trazen can't, or Orican can't see like pass them. So it's always this constant like blip that he can't really like divine past. So he's always so mad at Trazen because it's like, you're just looking at this shit. You could actually use it. You could take anesthesia and use it, but you don't. I want to use this shit instead of just looking at it, you pleb. Which I guess interesting, they do a lot of interesting stuff with that, because Orican is a chronomancer, he's an astromancer,

which means he can peer into the future, and he can actually fuck with time. So when you actually think of the characters, like Orykim is a pretty standard overlord. He's a, you know, he's a good fighter. You know, he's not like the greatest fighter, but he's a good fighter, he controls legions and stuff, but

Orican is like a mage. He can go back in time. He can adjust time streams and look through time and you can do all this kind of stuff. And it makes for some interesting like combat because these two these two necrons are elderly.

Yes, they are. And they made a great point of saying that or it was like, if we saw these two guys attacking each other in the necront tier world, it would have been fucking comical. It would have been two old men beating each other up with canes. Slapsing each other basically just,

uh, no, and they just, they did that little slap fight. I'd tell me what they'd be doing. It makes, it was interesting because I didn't like, like, Trazen, because he's got this like kind of, uh, little, was like a little hunchback thing. He's kind of got that little like lean. Um, and it was originally way back when, where Orican, they were talking a little bit about, uh,

back in the flesh times. and it's like, oh, Trazen, you know, Trazen, Master, what the hell is his name? Archivist, Archivist. Archivist of the solemnance galleries, you know, spending day in and day out, riddled with disease and, like, staring over scrolls, hunched over his desk,

so scared of losing the knowledge he had gained and stuff. It's like, oh, that's why he has a hunch. That is why he has a hunch, because that's probably how he was in real life. I was hunched over his damn little desk. go on I totally lost my train of thought I was about to say what Orican would have been too

but like my mind immediately just blipped away um Oricon has a serpent Orkin has like a serpent look he looks like a snake Right he's like a snake he's always sort of slithering around In his astromancy And um the interactions between those two is always fantastic when they're one-uping each other though

and it's um i think the other thing i like to just learning a lot about the necrons and like just how they operate not like just the time but like all of like the um the necron court stuff too i love necron court so much oh necrone court is the absolute best and um i think like the best part was uh treason or treason was um when he was preparing for this he went like way back to like ancient Necron like law and he was bringing up some ancient shit and even even the Necron court was like do we do we do that is that yeah that's still a thing okay oh okay I sure I okay yeah like they don't even know their own shit there's so much there's so much like contrived law in there that even they don't know their own shit well well so the idea of necrong court is exactly what we're saying

right is is a court like like a tribut with the necrons, but Tracin got his shit stolen from Orican, and he was so angry about it, he called up the Necron court, and then a whole bunch of Triarch Praetorians, which I don't know if you knew who those were, it was like the, well, actually, this makes, this reminds me. We know that female necrons exist. That's true. They just look like normal necrons because they probably all have the same biotransference issue, but Triarch Praetorians are like a special group that served the Triarch, which

is the silent king, answers to him themselves. And so, Trazen was sent out the triquetorians to Orican, and they were like, Orican the diviner, you are summoned into law by Trazen the Infinite, due to crimes against Solem's. You must join in exactly two solar years, or else, you know, you will be deemed excommunicato and, like, killed or something.

And so the two of them get there, and it's just them squabbling at each. shudder is like he stole from my gallery gallery is like you have no proof I stole from your gallery and it's like well you stole it from the Eldari anyway so like you're just as guilty as I am you shouldn't have it sometimes

they both get called in for the shit that they've done and the necrons they look like two like brothers getting scolded by their parents it's like why did you steal this stuff it's like oh it was already dead I wasn't going to take it it's like are you sure you took it before the thing died and you're like well

I don't know what you talk I don't that what you're talking about, Orkin? This is bullshit. Also, I'm really glad you mentioned that the group on serenade at the beginning of the book were the Eldari exodites. Because I knew they were Eldari, and I knew they rode dinosaurs, but I didn't know if they were, like, a special sect of the Eldari, or if they were, like, ancient Eldari or exactly what they were. They were like, oh, yeah, they're writing in on a carnosaur and chomp, and I was like, oh, shit, what the fuck is it? And I was like furiously googling carnosaur and it didn't really look like an Eldar thing. So I'm actually glad you mentioned that.

Well, also it should have remembered that serenade is the planet they were fighting over. I should remember to mention that. Yes, serenade is the planet. I'm not if we mentioned that serename. But they actually see that in the cover of the book. You can see the planet and the planet is going through various stages. Because way in the beginning it is the Eldar Exedites. And then eventually after a bit it becomes the Imperium.

and then the Imperium was getting attacked by orcs and then it was the Imperium again and then other stuff that will go into spoiler territory later we'll talk about that in a bit We're not spoiler territory yet Not quite

But I do think that the whole I mean obviously the back and forth is really fun The pettiness The sheer pettiness of these two Is great One of my favorite parts is eventually without too much of a spoiler Tracing gets fed up with fighting for the Mysterios

so he walks into Orican with a death mark and just shoots him in the face with the sniper rifle and Orican's like I don't even have the Mysterios he's like I don't care you can keep it and he just leaves he just walks in like shoots him in the head and bales he's just tired of and just blap

and it just leaves it's amazing that two immortal nigh all powerful beings would be that petty right that they would be so pet like they have so much

and it's just they're still so petty over this Mysterios and who gets it and who gets to use it um that it's I mean they have never oh go ahead I was saying never once thinking that they could maybe work together to use

this thing and combine efforts never no way do they think they should work together ever. Except for the one time. Except for the one time. Except for the one time. Or if they're forced to work together, which is another spoiler.

Which is another plot point. We'll get into that later. I really like a lot how they talked about, not only how they describe the necrons in their old days, because they really threw a lot of bones of necron lore. into it, both in terms of like their old culture, but also it gives you a little bit more of an appreciation for Trayson because normally he's a troll and he's Mr. Steely man, but he constantly talks about how important he is to preserve culture.

Yep. And there's even a small part later on when he's, he's in disguise on a human world with some fancy necrone tech makes him look like a normal human, right? and he's like watching a puppet show and he's fucking fascinated he is just like wow this is incredible look at this culture look at how they

they change the history because this is the fancy tale of Lord Commander Caleb Krasse the 15th the greatest man who killed the tyranny invasion X and Y and like but they betray him so differently because the Inquisition changed something about his story and it's like he's so fucking enthralled And Orican is like, I hate it here.

It's stupid. This is all pointless. I don't understand why you like any of this. God, I want to talk about Trazen's window so badly. Trayson's window? Yeah, he has a window. Also, we'll talk about it later when it's not quite so spoilery. Okay, because I'm forgetting what this window is, but I'm sure you'll tell me soon.

But, yeah, it's interesting. like not only like just is he into culture, he's very into like Necron history and like the Necron tier. Like that shit seems really, really important to him. Even though Orican was the only one

that didn't want to go through biotransference, right? He was the only one that was like, no, no, don't do it. Yeah, he saw the future and he warned everyone against it and none of them listened to him. That's why he's such a bitter old man. Yeah, which is why it's so interesting that like Trayson, I keep going Trayson a

Trazen because of the way it was accented in the audible version but yeah he's so... They call him Trasson in the book. Yeah, and they call him Orkon and it's just it always fucks in my head. But anyway, um, he's so into the Necron tier stuff. Like when when his little Necron tier gallery is at risk, like he's...

Like, when Orican is about to blow that shit up, he's like, fine, take it. Jesus. Just don't, don't touch my little gallery. Orkin's running around like trying to to escape, you know, his forces. And he's like throwing objects onto the floor and cracking them. And Trace's like, fuck, no!

That's like a 10,000 year old sculpture of the Mahakama Hammondodemishti. And like, yeah, some shit. And like, he's so upset. He actually used that in one of their battles where he was sending lich guard against Orkin. And Orkin would like throw down a bunch of artifacts. And since the lich guard are programmed not to damage them,

they couldn't like, it was being like a little zone they couldn't pass. Yeah. But it's so interesting to see that Trazan is so hyper-focused on the past, and Orican is just like, I don't give a fuck. I don't get, I don't break all this shit. I don't care. Like, it doesn't mean shit to me.

I'm looking forward. I'm not looking back. So it's an interesting little contrast in, like, their two attitudes. Even though they're both necrons, Trazen is all about the tier, and Oricon could not give a shit. Yeah, because Tristan's so, so focused on preserving the past. and Orican being a man who can literally see the future. Yep.

It's a great dynamic, both in their attitudes, and the fact that it's literally one past, one future. Both obviously attempting to reach this new McGuffin and see what's inside of it. Because Oricon's goal is to kind of ascend into godhood, so to speak. Oh, yeah, definitely. And he's able to, at times, when the stars align a certain way, which actually is an ability in the tabletop.

He becomes empowered. He becomes empowered when he's at a certain point. It's kind of neat. It's like a dice roll for it, right? And it's like at the beginning of the game and then you get it for like the whole game or something or you just don't get it at all. Yeah, it's pretty shitty.

But honestly, it's cool, like it in a fluff wise. Trazen has a similar thing where if he dies, you can kill off another character and then replace Trazen there instead. so when he's zipping back to all of his surrogates Yep And he uses that a lot in the book Oh yeah

Very constant thing Strategically or just because Whoops! I underestimated Oregon That or he gets bitten half by a dinosaur And he takes over the lich gar He's like damn it He's going right back in Maybe a accident

Flying an Ark into a dinosaur Or something. No, no. That was not an accident whatsoever. No, Tokyo, he Tokyo drifted that fucking arc directly into a dinosaur. He's like, whoa-hoo. You couldn't see the air quotes, but I was accident.

But yeah, that was, um... Oh, wait, actually, fucking hilarious thing. Someone in the Discord looked this up, and I find this fucking... I can't tell this is actually, like, purposeful or not. But when he Tokyo drifted that arc, it said that he, in the book he said it was going 30,000, in cubits a second or an hour or whatever the cubits number was, right? To emphasize how fast he's going

Do you know how fast that actually is in cubits? I don't know. It's 13 kilometers an hour Oh no 13 kilometers an hour like like I don't know 20 miles an hour That's not very fast actually is it? No, it's super fucking small I would almost expect the arc not to blow up When it's going that slow I was oh wait I'm sorry it's actually wait It's actually the opposite It's only like to seven miles an hour or eight miles an hour

Like grandpa you gotta take your foot off the break if you want to go faster Long skinny pedal grandpa long skinny pedal I think I can't tell if that was just him throwing out jumbo Or if he was like hey these are two old fucks we need to let me make a little hidden thing where if you do the mat they're actually driving really slow

and because they're so elderly with the way that scene played out in my head I was like oh man they are moving man when they collide with that dinosaur because the dinosaur goes down right the dinosaur collapses and like dies doesn't it?

Well he rams it with a ghost arc yeah but it's going like so slow like it's a bit like it I'm assuming I'm assuming the point is that he's meant to make it seem

like he's going really fast and he just led it as an Easter egg if you did look it up Okay fine fine It was very it was very humorous Just seeing that kind of stuff Oh the The reader

Richard Reed Got to do a little bit of orcs in the In there too And he does a very good orc He does such a good orc he's another reason, like, if you can, listen to this book, because he does incredible orcs. I dare not try, but the orcs do show up every now and then, and it's always, it's always great. And it's also fun because Trazen has such this knowledge of history and all,

and Orican doesn't even know what a fucking orc is to an extent. And I remember that they were fighting in space. and their ships have no air in them and Orkins like Tazen Um The orcs are firing boarding pods at us We don't have any air Like do orcs have lungs

And Tracy just doesn't answer him To works have lungs? Do orcs have lungs? And he's like no Yes, but it doesn't matter Yep I loved when they were describing I think it was like a missile

that was, I forget who exactly it was attacking, but they were describing what the inside of this orc missile looked like. And it was just a bunch of boys in there. And there wasn't actually a control panel. It was just a control panel painted onto the inside of the thing. Yep, with the big red button. To give them some sense that maybe they could control it. But really, it's just like it has a limited amount of fuel

and it's going to hit whatever it hits. So, orcs are great tape. It just said go on it. And in fact, it was funny because when they were fighting off the orcs, they actually had to really be careful because it wasn't the fact, like the orcs were jumping out of the pods when the pods would explode, firing their pistols at them in deep space. But sometimes those things they would fire at the necrons were like rockets that were the size

of like a small train. and so they had to make sure they dodged it because they would fire like 40 of those small trains and even at that point the amount of stuff coming at them would actually be legitimately devastating to the Necron ship even though they had way, way, way more power

so you think this is the point where we start getting into spoiler territory and we start talking about like big plot stuff? I think we probably should Overall, it's actually one of my favorite 40K books I've read. You might need to know a little bit about necrons,

but I think it probably is the one that has given the most to the necron lore since they have a little bit of a lore change. Yeah. It's pretty freaking great, and you should read it. Or listen to it. If you have a basic understanding

of like how the necront tier became the necrons and biotransferans, and biotransference and the Catans and all that, I think you'll be fine. Like there are some other races, like those Eldaria was talking about, that might seem a little confusing. But I think as long as you have the most basic understanding of Necrone lore,

this book won't go, like, completely over your head. You'll be fine. Absolutely. So, spoilers now, shall we? Let's spoil it up. All right. How do you want to spoil it up? Do we want to just get to what was inside the vault,

or do we want to talk a little bit about other stuff and save that for a bit later. Um, okay, I guess we could save it for later. Okay. Um, because story,

story wise, the point is like, okay, they worked together for a bit against the orc invasion because, yeah, uh, orkins like,

I saw the future, the orcs will destroy everything. Yeah, um, destroy that whole planet and you won't be able to use the mysterious to open the gate. Yeah.

So the Mysterios opens the tomb world Do we remember the name of the dynasty? Ooh, I'm so bad with remembering Necron Dynasty tier names. Same. I'm forgetting the actual name of the tomb world itself. But it was on the planet of Solem's. And it was one of those things

where the opening to the gate will only open every like 2,000 years or something. Yep. And they miss it like the first two times. The first time they miss it. miss it. The second time they're like doing a mad scramble for it

because all of the necrons that are there to protect the tomb in classic Egyptian style which by the way we should mention the I'm really really happy that they gave all the necrons Egyptian accents in various styles

of it because you know I've always said I'd really like the the real life culture embedding into it and them having that very like ah trazen kind of like thing to all their names it's very uh is very cool oh definitely it adds a lot to it

but I think they were like making a mad dash for an orcan missed it by like a half an inch and then they were and then they were called in a Necron court yeah immediately Necron court I was like ooh that's the next page and it's like oh god because so many Necron were dying like because

what's the law? Necron aren't supposed to kill other Necron because that's a waste. We're supposed to be immortal and we're supposed to be better than that, right? Yes, all hail the infinite empire. Right. But they were very much

doing this thing where by killing like the other Necron's down there and wasting forces, they were also raising their own forces from the Sautek for Orakim and the Na'i, if I say it correctly,

the Nihilak dynasty of Trayson. They were actually, they were raising them too early, so they were losing any semblance of their own minds. Right, right, right. And so they became like automaton's, higher tier automaton's, like, like, glitch guard. A warrior doesn't matter, but like an immortal and stuff

where, like, losing their minds, and that's not okay. Speaking of losing your minds, this is, I mean, I guess it's kind of a fast forward. I was trying to figure out So the flayer virus comes into play Oh yes They didn't make that horrifying Yes they did

Who was the one they were looking for The metallurgist? I remember what his name was High tech metal urges something or another Yeah and it turned out that he He had the flare virus And was this book trying to be like This is how the flare virus started

Or is it just like no, this is an instance of it, and it's like, look at how fucking scary it is, and look at what it did to the high metallurgist. I believe it's an instance of it. Oh. Because, well, they actually, they had a great description of both the flare virus

and destroyer cults. You always right. The destroyer cults are necrons that want to destroy all organic life. And at this time, you're thinking, like, oh, yeah, genocide and all. But no, the destroyers are like, we kill all the humans and then we kill all the birds so that these are like

we destroy all the water so all the fish can die and we burn all the trees so all the insects can die like reduce it to literally zero everything must go it is wholesale with them it's like they want to destroy the fucking atoms in the air practically it's destroyers are wild

yeah and they're they've lost their minds in that sense the same which is why they always hate the use of them. Trazen was constantly giving Orkin shit for using destroyers in a battle because of what they were doing to the planet. Also, the Flare virus, though, it's definitely, because I know the flare virus is a virus itself. And in fact, they actually reside in their own separate dimension. And they're all like, yeah, they open like a portal.

And they're all just kind of there like ticking and cracking and they got these long, because it's the flayed ones, right? Yep. And they hunger for the flesh, which makes no sense because they're robots, but that's like the point. The virus makes them irrational. Yeah. At first, I didn't realize what was going on because, like, Trazan was fighting him,

and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm, you know, I cracked my fist on his skull, and I was like, am I supposed to know what, like, what is this thing? Like, it's got a skull, and then once they were like, oh, shit, the skull cracked. Oh, my God. It's fucking high medallurgist. I was like, oh, shit, flare virus. Fucking Jesus. And then Trayson had to go into quarantine for like 600 years stuck in this,

in this little stasis chamber with like one desk in his fucking gallery. It's like, I hate it here. This is the worst. But, that's. The Orrkeet was being such like a smug prick about it. It's like, it's okay. Maybe an extra 100 years, Trison. You'll get it done with sooner or later.

Pat Pat. Pat. But spoiler alert, it is because they found. the high metallurgist that they realized that there was like there was a code in like the in his in his chittering or in like his in his head or like the fire virus was like transmitting the song of serenade the song of serenade a beckoning finger down below actually before we get into the big part I do want to talk about the the changes of the

planet sure it's fucking funny to me because it starts off garden world, right? Gorgeous, beautiful, wonderful. Eldar exudites. Then, time goes, destroyers, I become kind of a part of it, starts fucking up the atmosphere, then you get orcs,

and then, and then the humans, and then eventually, I think my favorite part of the entire book was them checking out humanity. Oh, God, yes. Besides the ending, the ending was incredible, but I like that a lot because this is when they were forced to work together

because they killed so many necrons. They were like, we are going to punish you by forcing you two to work together for the next 2,000 years and we will oversee it. And they're like, I'm never talking to you. That's right. They were like, the greatest punishment we can offer you to

is each other. Is each other's company. It's so great. Oh, the window. Yeah, who's the window? Remember how Trazen and Orkin and were actually kind of kind of sort of helping kill off the orcs as they were making that mad dash

to the gate. Yeah. Apparently, some of the survivors of that actually saw and remember Trazen doing that. Oh, right. In the church,

they literally made a window that had Trazen like as a knight and he had a statue that was like, that was like honoring all he did. And he's just looking, is like, Orkin, do you have a window?

And I'm just like, oh my God, you're such a smug bitch. I love it. That's right. Well, that's right, because that window, I think, was hidden below, though. It was stashed away because the Inquisition arrived and saw that iconography and changed it. So it was instead the bravery of the Silver Skulls Space Marine chapter that saves them. Right, right. The heresy of it all.

I forgot about that window. I love that part. But it was like when they were forcing to work together and they were like sitting down, they were chilling at a cafe in like two of them in like an imperial thing and people were dancing. And one of my favorite starts to a chapter was like trays in the infinite, like millennia old, a high archivist of the celebrant's galleries overlord of the Highluck dynasty was staring intent. at the puppet show. And he's just

there like, wow, this is great. And he loves it. He loves just soaking that all in. He loves the plays. He loves the theater. He loves the art. And Orican couldn't be more miserable. It does lead to one of the better parts of the actual,

one of the better parts of the book where they're actually listening to a play. Well, okay, so, My favorite part of the whole book is the library scene. Oh, the library scene's great. The library scene is fucking sad because Orican, or so backstory is Orican, not sorry, a Trayson was looking for information on the song of serenades. This very specific like code almost, almost like a Morse code,

but this weird technological like hum of the planet. I think Orican pointed out that the, or maybe it was Trasem. I think probably Trajan because Orican hates music. Yeah. Pointed out that the music on the planet was done in, it was like tens instead of eights? Or isn't like a musical thing like a string like four notes or something? I don't remember exactly. Something like that.

Yeah. But it was like it was in everything. It was in the music. It was practically the pulse of the planet. Yeah. And he was looking for different ways to figure out what it was. And he hired a librarian to help him with that with some mind shackle. scarabs, of course.

And the book, the book just doesn't show you that until the librarian goes to Trayson, he's like, oh, my lord, here's the last book, I will be leaving tomorrow. And he's like, what do you mean? Wait, what the fuck? What do you? It's like, I've served you for 63 years, Lord. Like, I am, it's time for me to retire. And all this stuff.

I told you about yesterday, don't you remember? And Trayson looked like legitimately sad. Yeah. He was like, oh. Oh. Yeah, that's right. No, you've been a very good servant to me or something. It's like, you've been good to me too, Lord, my kids have lots of money now.

They're going to go to college and they're going to the Scolas. And one of them is training to become, to join the Imperial Guard. And like, I am, I was like, goo. You, ooh, you don't. Maybe don't do that. Yep. And he trained his replacement, his replacement, his. replacement will be there tomorrow and

the one last gift Trazen can give him is a quick, painless death. Oh, he didn't say it would be painless. Oh, that's true. He said it'll be quite... Yeah, he said, I can't promise it'll be painless, but it will be quick. Right. It was really interesting because in like a blink,

we got this whole story of Trazen basically employing a man for his entire life and setting his family up for the rest of their life and simultaneously him not really giving his shit and it happened in like a quarter of a chapter but I think that it was really intelligent writing because you blink and you miss it right and in a sense that's how necrons live

slitting so long how treason sees it like yeah blinking you miss it 60 years that's nothing and it was interesting because for me I was like oh my god he's been doing it for 60 oh yeah that's That's right. They forget it. But they had those great conversations.

Orican and him in the opera booth. Oh, yeah. And they were talking about like, you know, going back to flesh and blood. And that's how like, it's every Necron's dream is to have a soul again. But Orican was like, I don't know if I could. Like, to be stricken with disease again, to have to be tired, to be weak. was that the moment where treason misremembered how he was like because didn't treason say that he was like oh no i remember i i was i i didn't want transference either they had to drag me kicking and screaming

in too like he like he was remembering what orican remembered i i don't really i was a little confused at that part too yeah i thought that i thought that treason was actually dragged against his will into bow transference but i think it was maybe like he helped drag Orican in there afterwards maybe maybe not of his will either but that part was a little confusing but

it was a really interesting conversation of like two immortal beings talking about basically a soul is worth death yeah you know and and and right when they finished this

the opera singer singing a really weird song pulls off her fucking mask and she's a fucking jeans stealer. She's a jean stealer. And then a bunch of jean stealers kicked down the doors and start like executing the fucking like Abe Lincoln style and start killing the leaders and you're like, oh my God. Mass chaos everywhere.

And it's Trayson's fault. It's Trayson's fault. That's right. Because in their one-upsmanship, when Orkin was doing some studying or something, they're like, okay, you know, you two can't kill each other, whatever. Trayson sends one of these What's the three-armed creature actually

He sent a Patriarch down below, I think is what's called Yeah I think he said a patriarch And it actually did give Orkin a little bit of a problem A little bit of a problem He sent it down to Orkin just to fuck with him He didn't want to kill him or anything He was just like

It's a joke It's like he-he And Trayson's response was well If I wanted to kill you I would have sent more than one. I have more. If I've got like four more in my vault, if I really wanted to kill you,

I would have sent like five of them. But the whole thing falls apart over that joke and these jean steelers just start causing mass chaos in the opera house. And they're not just that, but it's the fact that therefore, because he sent that patriarch, an entire jean steeler cult has been created.

And they're like coming out of the sewers and they're beating on people, and then the Imperium declares exterminatists on the planet. Because of his joke, they have to exterminate as the planet. And then Oregon's like, God damn it, the exterminatis is going to happen before we can open the fucking gate. So they're like running downstairs. They're like running to the vaults as far as they've canned down underground. Like, hurry, we got to go.

They're going to blow the planet up. They're going over all the stages of exterminatists as they're like, oh fuck, fuck, oh fuck. Fuck, go, fuck, go, fuck, got to get to the gate. So, goddamn dumb. It's great. It is. And they kind of sort of don't make it, do they? Right?

Like, they just, don't they just visit again? And then... Yeah, close. They get close, and then Orican gets buried under a pile of rubble and treason bails. Yeah, Trayson gets the fuck out of there because he left a bunch of, like, surrogate breadcrumbs along the way. Yeah, of course he did. Of course he did. And Orican is stuck under all that rubble for like

6,000 years or something. No, it was like 3,000 years he stuck under there, right? Yeah, pretty long time. And it's actually rather sad because Orican... Or Trazan comes back. And Orykin's been stuck there for God knows how long and he's like pained and dying. And Trayson just hates him.

And he starts like curb stomping his fingers and shit. And it's like, you fucking insect, you've ruined everything. This is your fault. leave me alone. Yep. It's really weird, but at that point, we find out that Orican

has learned the song of Serenade and what it represents. Mm-hmm. He sure does. And he says it's a, uh, it's actually a warning. It's like a monkey's paw.

And you want to, you want to tell us what's inside the vault? So, so they do open the vault. Orican is like, trying his damnedest. He's willing to give Trazen

anything. Anything he wants so long as he just doesn't open this goddamn gate. But Trazen, of course, is just, fuck you. Orkin is literally like

you have won, Trayson. You win. I lose. I am worse than you. You are my better. Please don't open that. Don't open it. And at this one, Orkin, like, he has no fingers because he's been digging for 3,000 years. He even says, like, he had to

astromancy back in time because he'd come to a point that he couldn't dig anymore. So they open it, and doesn't it? It's like this really pristine, beautiful area. Water just comes rushing out.

Yeah, it's underwater. Yeah, and they find, well, at first thing, they find a bunch of statues. or Trazan finds a bunch of statues that literally are depictions of the old Necron tier and he's just like, oh my God,

if only I had known, the water's fucked up these statues. Oh, I could have. Oh, no, no, no. In typical Trazen fashion, like, oh, no, I could have saved this. I could have had these in pristine fashion. If only I'd known, shit.

And then I don't remember if it's a pyramid or if it's just a tomb. Well, he makes it to the sarcophical. Right. And inside of it is a pristine, preserved necron tear of flesh and blood. You know, arms crossed, covered in jewels. Very, very like Pharaoh. Covering like gold and stuff. Yeah. And he's just like he like basically comes right there. He just has like an immediate orgasm. Like oh my God of all things. He has a necrone orgasm.

A necrugat, anyway. But then doesn't the body sit up and look at him? And it's like, uh-oh. And then he takes his mask off. And at this point, like, I'm not exactly sure, because they kind of like start describing, like, what's under the mask. And I wasn't exactly sure who it was.

And all I knew was I was like, oh, God, like, Trazen is very upset. set, he is yelling at the top of his lungs, and then the narrator is like, he is screaming. He is screaming. He is screaming in fear. Yeah. And then the narrator is like, oh, it's the deceiver. And I was like, oh, that's a, I had to look it up because I forgot who the deceiver was.

And I was like, oh, boy. The Necron, the Catan shard of the deceiver. Not just one, like five shards of the deceiver. Yeah. And then immediately comes what is arguably one of the most badass 40K battles I have seen in a long time, or heard about in a long time. I think it is the most exciting and awesome battle in the entirety of the books I've read. I don't think it reaches that level because it's basically like the deceiver breaks free. and they have all of the necrons

that are there to guard the tomb, right? Yep, yep, yep. And they take over as, Orican and Trayson take over as many of the necrons as they possibly can and end up, like, using them to fight the deceiver, but the deceiver slowly takes over the enemy necrons with like a wave of his palm, because of course he can.

He does have a corruption virus or something. It's basically, it's basically Orkin and Trazen fighting with an army of necrons fighting another army of necrons with the caton there and the best part that whole thing is Orican

floating in the air throwing out of these ruins and sigils like doing calculations he's being the commander he's being the arch the architect or whatever of the general of forces and Trayson opens up a dimensional gateway and like nine more Trayson's come out and he said

Orkin's like I think I've had a nightmare of this before but the the other fantastic part is they're starting to get pushed back and I think this is one of the parts you mentioned to me before I had gotten there but they're getting pushed back and Oregon is like what because Trazen is like looking in his little pocket

dimension is a little looking through his poker balls and Oregon's like, man, I hope you got an army in there. And Trazen's like, you think so little of me. I have five. He pulls out like fucking blackjack. He throws out these like orbs. It's like a fucking game of Yu-Gi-o. He just spreads them all out.

It literally said he pulled them out like a poker, like a poker deck, and there's like Kate flared behind him, like a fucking anime. And then he's like, ee, meeny, mind. you and he opens it up and then a bunch of like lich guard or something oh no it was i think it was orcs a bunch of storm boys started coming out and they started yelling waw and like let's go lads the tin cans must die there were there wereks i think there was some kind i think there were actually uh were there imperial guard there was there there were it was one of the better parts where orkin was like doing his thing and he's and he heard something in his ear it's like is that is that

bolter fire? And then all these guardsmen come out with like last guns and heavy bolters and heavy weapons. Come on, men, the glory of the emperor awaits. And you're like, oh my God. The, no, the best, the best one. Oh, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, I also didn't realize how big a bolter shell was because they were like, oh, yeah, there were, uh, there were shells the size of like soda cans that were just popping off. And I was like, whoa. Excuse me. That's a heavy, the heavy bolter. Oh, the heavy bolter. Okay. I mean, the regular bolterstall is still very large, but yeah, I was like, yeah, it's big. It's like, no, don't use the ones with the blue room.

One of my favorite things is like, the whole point is that the deceiver could only really be taken down by Trazen's staff, the empathic obliterator. Right. And he's, he's like trying to 1V1 the deceiver, and he's constantly getting his ass kicked, but he's just always like teleporting to a new body and then whacking him in the head with another body. But I like the part where the deceiver, like, grabs him. and he's like looking at him and he kind of crushing his neck or whatever and he's got a little orb

in his hand and he picks up the orb he's like what the hell is this and Schraisen literally just shrugs and turns it on and a bunch of fucking tear and it just burst down and start clawing at him like ah fuck Jesus Christ

it's like 20 or 30 jeans steels just come out there and start like beating on the sea phrase like oh my god bugs it is such a Such an epic fucking battle. It is so cool. It's, it's, it's everyone's there. It's smashed.

They're all, we're all here. The, um, though the battle does end in a somewhat interesting way. Oh yeah, I'd say so. Because, uh, because, since the beginning of the, of the novel, Trazen had this like Eldar egg thingy. It was a soul gem or something,

I think they called it. Soul Stone or Soul gem or. Like a really fan. variant of it. Yeah. And he always kept it on him because he really liked it. And he really wanted it.

Yep. But eventually it came to the point where like the stars were not aligned so Orican couldn't empower himself. And so instead it was like, we'll take the power of the egg and we'll use that to empower you instead.

And Orkin ascended into like fucking godhood. Literal godhood. Literally became a god. and he looked at him down and they described it like he looked at himself and he looked down and he saw all these people fighting and he's like this is so beneath me I don't even care anymore but I'm really hungry

Yeah he's real hungry for energy But to me it was crazy when he when you could actually perceive What the Catan was doing what the deceiver was doing Because he was like oh yeah he had a black hole wrapped around his wrist or something And he was using that as like some sort of force of energy and it's like, whoa. He was like puking antimatter. Yeah.

Out and stuff. Antimatter lasers and holy shit. Um, but when the two of them actually fight, like, doesn't, uh, or can actually like, like, what do he like, rip all, galactic hole and used, like, planets as a shield? And literally, several planets get destroyed. Yes. He opens up, he opens some giant portals to, and then, and, and, and, it, he fires antimatter through the portal.

The Orkin opens a portal and then the antimatter hits the planet through the portal. And he just like, the kills an entire planet. And it happens like four times. Yeah. And I think in the book, the guy's just like, were they inhabited? Inconsequential. And it's like, oh. Not important.

Not important. This is who I'm more important. Holy shit. It is a battle between gods. And Oregon just like rips him apart. Oh yeah. Down to the very fine. And he eats up all of him and just rips him apart.

Like, like, actually goes to, like, tearing off his, oh, his necrodermis and consuming, like, the energy. And the deceiver is, they said that he's, like, got a permanently smiling grin. But his eyes were, like, I am so scared. So scared. Yep, yep, yep. And at the, at the end of the whole battle, he's, like, like, like, Orkin's, like, in a corner, like, basically sobbing, like, in a field position. and his armor's all... His armor's all black,

not because he was charred, but because the shadows fused to him. Which is like, what? Yeah, and he's like, he's a wreck because, like, Trazen touches him and he's like, don't touch me! Stop it! Don't touch me! It's like, oh shit.

Oh shit, he's fucked up. Even Trazen is like, okay, easy, buddy, buddy. It's okay, it's over. I'm just trying to have. help, it's trying to heal you up. It's okay. Easy. I got my hands up. You're fine. Chill. Jesus. And honestly, I think, because

they walk away together, kind of arm and arm. He's like carrying Orkin away. Yeah. And that was the end of the final chapter. And it probably should have ended there. Yeah, it really should have. It should have. I'm blaming Game's Workshop

for the epilogue. In case anyone hasn't, I mean, at this point we're already super in spoilers, but it's literally like two pages saying, oh yeah, by the way, after that, they had a 2000-year truce, and then Trazen stole Vashani's head,

and Orkans Madden, now they hate each other again. Yep. The epilogue was super rushed and just... It really felt like it was forced. It felt like Games Workshop was saying these people need to have a reason to still hate each other. Yep.

Like, you need to have them angry. Yeah, because at the very end, Orkin was like, hey, let's make an honor truce that we never come back here. Like, we're going to lock this shit up tight and not let anybody ignore that sound. What the hell was that, D.K.? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But they make an honor truce.

Like, we're never coming back here. We're going to lock this shit up so tight. nobody can ever get back in because holy shit, if the deceiver ever gets free, it's just, we're not going to be able to do this again. And then in the epilogue, it's just like, oh yeah, by the way, Trazen is literally in the vault feeding him a secret shard. And Orican went back in, stole Vashani's head, and now he wants revenge. And it's like, what?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And that's like you said, that's like two pages. It's like, whoa, what? Excuse me? like back it up what happened yeah i forgot about that canonically it is canon that treason has a shard of the deceiver in his vault this is now a thing yeah yeah that's a little and it happens in two pages it literally it literally feels like he didn't want to write that part but he was forced to it feels very tacked on.

Yeah, in the honorable part, all that happens in like the span of, I think, 45 seconds for the epilogue. It's crazy. So, yeah, that was a bit of a bummer

at the end because it just felt like, oh, we can't let them leave on a happy note. It's Orican and Trazan. They need to fucking hate each other. Don't do that. That's not our canon view for those two.

Make them hate each other. That ended too sympathetically. Let's go. Come on. It is a single, a single rabbit's turrets. on an overall gorgeous sidewalk. It is one small thing where I'm like,

meh, me. But other than that, amazing. It was absolutely fantastic. I am so pleased. I cannot believe that not only was a Necron book, which notoriously I haven't been fantastic, so good,

but arguably one of the better 40K books at all, like in general, and really good for new people. Like you might, you might have a few issues not knowing when an immortal is or something like that. But besides that, like, it's still very, very easy to consume. It's very digestible. I am only slightly worried because this is my first Warhammer 40K book, and it was really good.

And I'm worried now that, like, are the other books going to be able to, like, get up to this level? Like, am I just going to be, like, perpetually disappointed in every episode of this, I'm just like, it was all right, but it was no infinite in the divine. you know I mean possibly so I will I will definitely say that I find the night lord stuff I'm reading

right now to be as good maybe better but in like a different way like infant divine reminds me a lot of like Stranger Things season one it's very very good it's very digestible but it's it's not like

the new citizen Kane it hits a lot of lot of marks for like, like almost any 40K fan, Necron's or not, would like this book. Yeah. I feel like not everyone would enjoy the Nightlord's ones because they are very depressing, very dark, and a lot harsher. This one has a good, it has good comedy, it's got good action, it's exciting, it's funny. It's very digestible, which actually leads us to a great segue.

Do you want to tell the viewers, do you, nice. Do you want to tell the viewers what our next book club review will be next month? As far as I know, unless you and Shai have changed shit on me again, the next book is going to be Gant's Ghost, right? And we got new models for them too. Oh, did we? Yep, they revealed in Warhammer Fest a whole new, like an HQ unit of six models called Gant's Ghosts, and it's six of the main characters from the book. Oh, sick.

So once we read this, I'm going to have a reason to want to go buy those and paint them up. There is no way you will not at least want to paint up, try again, brag. Try again brag. I love that. Without too much of a spoiler, try again brag is a guy. He's on the far right of that image. He carries a heavy stover. And he's such a terrible shot with the heavy stover that they're always like try again brag.

is that I was gonna say Yeah, try again Bragg Like literally in my head I was like try again So is that like T-R-I-G-I-N

Or No, Try again Brack I love that It is It is like Honestly

Whenever people discuss Like what's the best book for 40K Like often It's Well now it's the infinite Divine Gons ghosts

And like Eisenhorn Are the best books I think Gons Ghost is probably the best book for new people. I need to reread it, which I will, but

it's really good. So next month, early of July, we will be having our Gaunt's ghost book discussion. D.K., do you want to take us out? Oh, do I get to take us out? You do? It's a different

type of video. But I still did the intro. That's okay. Thanks so much for listening to The Dentist's Ridiculous book club slash review. It was a pleasure having you here.

My name is D.K. You can find me at D.K. Diomontes everywhere except for for Instagram. Bricky, where can they find you?

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And you can find Quiet Chia. Quiet shy or quiet shallow depending on how she's feeling. See you next time.

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