Adeptus Ridiculous - THE LION: SON OF THE FOREST | Warhammer 40k Book Club

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousAfter ten thousand years of dreaming, locked in stasis at the heart of his shattered home world, Lion El'Jonson wakes to the nightmare of Imperium Nihilus.In this midnight age, the dying embers of humanity are threatened on all sides by the hungry darkness. Alone, even the Lion has no hope of prevailing against such evil – but there are those who would aid him in his quest. Hunted to the edge of endurance, many among his Fallen knights have long-awaited the day their liege would return to redeem them. The Lord of Shadowed Paths must gather these lost loyalists to his side once more, and stride forth to vanquish a traitorous son and the twisted Chaos warband that calls him master.Faced with these strange times, the Lion can be certain of nothing and no-one, except for himself. But in a galaxy without the Emperor, without the Imperium, without his Legion, and without Caliban… who is he?Support the show

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I can't even, I can't even make a joke that like, my intro is as scuffed as the, as the book we read. Like, if we read a bad book. Uh, yeah, because the book was really, really, really, really like Son of the Forest. Because it was really good. Yeah. Yeah. So today's book club episode is, in fact, Lion's Son of the Forest. Indeed it was.

Now, dark, okay, so when I, when this book came out, everyone was like, Ricky, this book is great. It's really good. And I'm like, and I'm like, all right, dark angel fans have, have, like to suck their dick a lot. Like they really They have a lot of good name characters A lot of special units Their lore is very interesting The lion is an interesting Primark

He is And then like It's a little hard to take a dark angel's opinion fans Fans opinion seriously When their Primark Returns book comes out And I'm like if this book is a complete dog shit They're gonna love it anyway

Yeah well I mean you could say that for literally any faction in 40K. They all have their diehard fans that as long as something about their prime mark or their faction comes out, they are going to hold it up on a pedestal that is unreachable, right? Right. Or at least I had assumed that would be the case. Yeah. And actually, in this case, it turned out to be just as good as they said.

It is a fantastic book. It is a great book. It held my attention top to bottom. Whole way through, yep. I am genuinely shocked. I think it's unfortunate because you can't really put this book up into the pedestal of things like Infinite and the Divine only because it's not as accessible from a new person perspective. Oh, yeah. You can't go into this without prior knowledge of Dark Angel stuff, Horacee

stuff, Forty-K-It would be impossible. You would be so confused. That being said, I would put it from a quality point of view, about up there with Infinite the Divine. I think this is about that same level of quality. It is a phenomenal book. Oh, it's so good. It has the mystery.

It has the intrigue. It has the action. It has the space marines. It has void battles. It's kind of got it all. It has everything. So, Lions of the Forest is about the Lion, Chalker. Oh, wow.

Really? Who just randomly wakes up in a warp-style version of Caliban. The forests of Caliban. Yeah. like a mockery of it. And then basically makes his way into other planets through this weird, like travel of through this forest to find the fallen,

the versions of his sons that have been, that served Luther back in the day of the heresy and paid the price by getting yeated into the warp and thrown around and God knows where. And they've experienced various different times, right? Some of them have been around for like 700 years. Some are like, oh yeah, I've only been around for 30 years.

And time is a very fickle thing with the warp or something, right? Yes, time does not exist in the warp. So where you get popped out of could be any point in time. There's good chance. I mean, the, as they call their little brothers, the modern day dark angels have found many have fallen and tortured them to death. Yeah. And that's been in the past 10,000 years,

but this is the lion kind of atoning for somewhat mistakes and finding his fallen sons to kind of, you know, gather them. He does a little, he does a little Pokemon, honey. He kind of gathers him up. He does. Yeah, he throws his polka balls at the Dark Angels and, you know,

Sabriel, I choose you. Yeah, it's okay. Hey, Zabriel, no worries that you fired upon me immediately when you saw me, but... Well, to be fair, if you're Zabriel and you're one of the fallen and you see, uh, you, you see old lion, I mean, what, what do you, what are you thinking is going to happen? It's like, oh, no, no, no, I remember what the lion does to people like me. Nope, time to fight. I mean, it is the natural reaction of a fallen. Oh, well, especially a fallen who's been alive for 400 years and has been hunted by his...

little brothers the entire time. Yeah, it's a fair reaction on his part. So with that, that is the general schick of the entire book. The lion arrives and goes out to find more and more of his fallen brothers to bring them back into the fold, but only those that have not forsaken humanity. Because on the opposite side of the coin, the villains of this book are also two fallen that have also but have chose to

align themselves with chaos Baylor and Sarafax Sarifax the sorcerer with his half of his face permanently on fire which is awesome of the 10,000 eyes and Baylor is a lot

less lot less weird he's basically uncorrupted by chaos, right? Like, he serves Serafax, but he hasn't pledged himself to chaos at all. I think, right? He pledges himself to Serafax, who has pledged himself to chaos. Yeah, but he's not, like, corrupted, he's not like, oh, Slanesh and Zinch, give me the tongue, or anything like that. Um, well, speaking of tongue, there are a couple people who have fallen to chaos as the

Chaos War band, the 10,000 eyes, you know, they have some people. They do, and they have some corn people, and they have some, yeah, yeah, yep, yep. So. And whatever, did we remember his name? I was trying to remember his name.

It was the, the corn guy. The red or something, right? Yeah, like, yeah, I keep wanting to say Van Drip, but I know it's not that. It's not. It's like Vanaheim, Van, Camp, Van.

I think there's an axe, but it doesn't matter, he dies. He does. He gets wrecked by the lion. So, so basically, like, the entire book does revolve around the fallen, but a combination of both the fallen in terms of, um, loyalist and the fallen in terms of chaos. It's like, hey, not all fallen are just, oh, no, sad, sad boys, we've been hunted by the dark angels. There are a lot of them who are actually evil. Oh, yes. There are a lot of them that are actually. evil. And then on the other side, there's some that are just like, well, you know

what, I'm going to carve out a life for myself and protect the people of Cameroth. Right. Which would be a Zabriel thing. Yeah, yeah, that would be Zabriel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's Cameroth. Okay. A lot of planets, too. Cameroth, Avalis, Trevenom.

It was the last one. It was like scale. It was like, like, like, that whatever. There's so many names. There's so many names. But I think what the book really does well is that despite the fact that it's a returning Primark story, it's really small scale. Oh, yeah, it is. It is very small scale, actually.

Like, he doesn't, he isn't found out about by the greater Imperium until the epilogue. Like, it is a very small scale book for sure, in terms of 40K anyway. Right. For the most part, a good first third of the book is basically entirely around the lion and Zabriel. Yeah, and them taking back Cameroth. Yeah, or whatever the hell that planet is called, yeah. Yeah, big green planet, kind of like Calabama not. Yeah, yeah.

The book opens really well, though. I find the intro to be extremely, extremely poignant. Oh, yeah, because he wakes up not knowing. anything. Knowing literally nothing. Based including his name, everything like that.

And he sees the emperor basically, but he doesn't know it's the emperor. Yeah, he just sees the king. Yeah, a decrepit king on a tiny fishing boat slowly bleeding into the water.

Yeah, that is one hell of an imagery for the emperor, by the way. So fitting. It's really good. Like that entire That image Like it feels like it would be it would be good

A flat out painting Tiny little like a really decrepit king On a tiny boat Fishing it with like the gold crown on And a bunch of shadows lurking around the water As this blood like slowly drips into the water Yep That would be a great painting

It's really impressive And it's just such a such a a cool way to illustrate the emperor as a character, especially because he never speaks. He just kind of looks over with like really sad, tired eyes. Yep, yep. Ah, that is, it is

great. It is a great intro, great imagery, the whole nine yards, yep. It kind of, I don't know, like, not often is the emperor portrayed as so weak. Yeah. Well, unless you actually see, unless they show him on the

golden throne and he's just like, skeletal bones and Right, but like metaphorically, very often when they refer to the emperor in like metaphors, they rarely ever show them that, that doubt and, you know, that hurt. In metaphors, he's like God. He's like the,

the chosen one, the almighty, yeah. Like, oh, I, I think he like took, helped take over Gilliman's body once to fight Mortarian in the recent edition. And it's like, all right. He can still do crap like that. It's a hell of a lot different than him being this decrepit king on a boat.

Yeah. Also, I like that when Lion did get his faculties back, he was like, Oh, Rabutee Gilliman, that bastard. He immediately started bitching about Gilliman. I was like, hey, this guy's all right. You know, it's kind of funny that how much they also mentioned Russ in this book, despite, considering that we just did an episode on Russ yesterday. Yeah, I was, I was trying not to mention Russ in, in the episode, because, you know.

Yeah, because you know. I didn't want to spoil the book for you at all. Oh, oh, yeah, definitely. Of course, I had to do with that. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's why, that's why, obviously, duh. I mean, it did feel good. It helped me out being able to properly be like, yeah, you know, Russ is the, like, the end and the yank of the line. And they kind of mention that a little bit in the book.

Yeah, yeah. But I think for the most part, when I think about space marine novels, there's a couple pitfalls they fall into. The first one is that it's way too, it's way too long. Sorry, not long. It's too wide scale. It's like, it's too big. Yeah, it's galactic.

Right. It's always some gigantic scale. And the second issue I find is that often either the primarks or the Marines don't really have much personality. Oh, that definitely was not the case here. They had plenty of personality among them, yeah. And then thirdly, it really, like the final bit is that there isn't really a solid progression, especially with some of the villains. And I think for the most part, making the villains, like, one, they're really enjoyable when they're on screen.

It's kind of funny. Mm-hmm. Agree. They kind of have a little bit of that night lord's gallows humor. Yeah, they do. And they had their own little rivalries and they had their own little conflicts and yeah. Like Baylor and what was the creepy dude, the Slenech guy? I keep wanting to call him McCrogg.

I think it's McCrogg. Markov. Markov. That's right. That's right. Markov. There we go. Because yeah, I keep, yeah.

Anyway, he, he, I really liked their rivalry because he was this super Slenesh, a corrupted guy. And they, they shop his. head off at the end of the novel and he just like picks it up. It's like, I'll see you later. Oh, yeah, I'll get you back for that loser. And wow, I was like, dang, like, chaos can just like, you get your head cut off and then you just, just grabbed it, picked it up. He's like, all right, I'm going. Yeah. Although they do explain how he was able to do that later. Yeah, his axe. It's because his axe makes him immortal or something. Um, but small, you know, Like there's a great bit of like back and forth between the two of them and Baylor is often just kind of pissed off.

He's like, stop eating the Astardis, you dick. You can come back later. If Sarah Fax says you can, you can come back and have some dessert. Just leave them. There are, there is some genuinely decent humor in this book. Not just old man, Zabriel and his difficulties, but all of the. the risen are like are like thousand year

veterans of the Great Crusade they're all they're all their own mini heroes or pirates or renegades in their own right like what was the what's the pirate dude like the Boris one eye or something

oh yeah boris or something he's got one eye and he's I think he even raided one of his fellow Fallen's station or something as a pirate and they were mad at him and yeah like That kind of stuff, that kind of back and forth.

It provides a lot of really good space marine characterization, which you don't normally get. Yeah. I also like that. Yeah, since we're talking about the age thing, like, seeing a Primark deal with age is pretty fun. Well, I don't want to say funny, but it's interesting. Because like the, when they're fighting that one chaos sorcery and he's like, tell me what you've done to me. How have you cursed me?

What is this malady? Sorcer just kind of laughs. He's like, dude, there's no malady. You're just old. I really liked that scene. That was really funny. That was great. I, I, I, I goffawed. If I was, it was, it was set up really well. It was like, yeah, because he, he thinks he's cursed. He thinks like, he's like, oh, I remember how I used to be. Oh, I feel a little clunky. What's going on? Ah, must be chaos. Must have done something to me. It's like, no, dude, you're just old. You are 10,000 years old. Like, what malady afflicts you?

You killed six, like, six to eight of my men and broke my back. Back, yeah. You're just old. You're just old. Giant tentacle Slanesh demons broke my back. What is, what malady could afflict you? He actually killed, he killed, um, obliterators. Oh, is that what those were? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. The, um, I don't know if you remember them, but I'll send you a quick. picture. It's these dudes. Oh, oh, oh, epic and bed fail laugh at this user. There we go. Oh, boy. Ooh. Are they any... Wow, he killed... He was rushed by two of those things? Sheesh.

Are they one specific chaos, God, or is that just chaos being chaos? That's just chaos being chaos. Yeah, and that's essentially a chaos. Terminator that's been you taken? No. It's just some chaos guy that's like kind of bust through his armor. Oh, okay. Done chaos weird stuff.

Gotcha. It kind of looked like he had like Terminator plate in the middle, but I wasn't sure if that was, it doesn't matter. Obliterators are nasty. Yeah, they're very nasty. But, yeah, they make a couple good jabs at him during the book. Some of the risen are just like, huh, he looks older than before. for lion just kind of grits his teeth.

They do make a point to be like, man, he's old. Old, he's getting old, man. Yeah, a little age up in there, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's rather, it's rather funny hearing it as often as it is. I liked the risen gang a lot. They were all extremely under, you know, I was, okay, I was extremely waiting for when they were going to reveal,

what was under the helmet of the Red Whisper guy with the plasma gun? Yeah, there was a part of me that thought he was going to turn. I thought he was chaos. I 100% thought he was chaos. I was like, man, he's worshipping chaos. He must. The fact that he will not take that helmet off in front of anybody. Like, there's got to be something funky under there,

and it's either chaos or he is going to turn, or he's not who he says he is, or something. And it's like, it never happened. And it was just like, oh, come. Come on. It felt like a check off gun. I felt like he was going to be Baylor. Like in disguise. Oh, fair. Yeah, that could have been too, sure.

But ironically, the big confrontation with Baylor is just on a monk mountain. Yeah. And they just find him. Right? The Cyker. Yeah, the Cyker. And he just kind of, like, yeah, I'm part of the chaos band. That's it.

Yep, yep. Good to see you, brothers. I'm with the 10,000 eyes, you guys should come with us. And although they did, what was the idea that Sarah Fax? It was like, oh yeah, we, I may have like gone to chaos, but it's because like the emperor needs to be allowed to die. So that his soul. Oh, yeah, that was Serafax's.

So that his soul can go to the warp and he can ascend and then he can get rid of all of chaos and humanity is saved. I was like, you know, that, I was. I mean, that idea has merit to it anyway. Like, it's an interesting idea. It's an interesting idea to, like, go to chaos because the emperor's got to die. You've got to let him go. That is actually a pretty common concept when it comes to the emperor is, hey, you know, the only reason he hasn't ascended to a deity fully, especially with this much worship, is because he's being trapped by.

his mortal body. Yeah, it's because you, humanity, won't let him ascend. So for chaos to just be like, yeah, you know, if you let him die, he ascends into the warp and probably just dominates. That's the thought process. Yeah. I think there was that talk that the Grey Knights have like a last chance thing where that is one of their options, but it's not fully confirmed.

Oh, yeah, that wonky scroll thing that has, yeah. So it's not fully confirmed. We're not 100% yet, but... Yeah. It's an interesting idea, though. Like, I don't know, maybe I just haven't been paying attention enough, but I don't recall hearing it that often. So hearing it in this book was like, hey, you know, chaos. Like, weird chaos dude has some merit with that idea.

Like, that might actually work. And, you know, that kind of is where the intrigue of the chaos and Syrafax's whole thing, is interesting to look at because obviously it's a story not just about the him but like the what is it the companionship with Baylor

and how they kind of work through this thing and you know I mean obviously his goals are pretty insane but a little bit a little bit yeah he does some pretty insane things he does he like

they break the the slaneshi mirror and it drips onto him into like giant silver wings and he traps the souls of the risen in the wings. Oh, that sounded like such a cool thing, too. Like, just those giant mirror wings with all the faces in it. Like, oh, man, that's so chaotic and cool.

Yeah, it's such a, it's such a weird level of, like, the fact that they had, they took the bones of the entire population of the planet and turned it into like an orbiting moon. Yeah, it was like an orbiting osuary that they, were going to use for the hell were they going to do with it? I don't remember, but I just specifically remember that they took all of the iron in the blood of all of the people and used it to make chains. Yes, that's right.

To use against the lion, which is just awesome. Yep, that's right. They took all the blood from people, made chains, and that's how they, like, sort of restrained the lion. Yep. It's such chaos crap. I love it. Like, of course you're going to imbue.

Of course the gods are going to let you use their power to imbue chains. When the chains are made of the iron in the blood of a planet's population. That's how you take the bones. And then you take the bones and make them an orbiting thing. Yeah. That's how you get to be a demon prince. Weren't they going to use the bones as part of like the ritual to like capture the lion's spirit or something? or some nonsense.

Yeah, it was part of the ritual. Yeah, it was pen and parcel. Yeah. Yeah, they all worked together in some way. Yeah. But that was, that, that was just, it's such, such chaos crap and I love it. Yeah, they were, they were very chaotic, yeah.

I really, okay, I wish there was more of the Lions Guard in the book. Oh, yeah, the Lions Guard, but they must have been so freaked out. That's, but it's just so funny. to me that all of these baseline humans are like, no, sir, you need a protector. And they're just like, they're just like guardsmen, but like not even. Yeah, and they're trying to guard up a prime mark.

And even Lyon was like, when the Lions Guard formed, I was like, guys, I am the last person on this planet that needs a personal bodyguard. What are you doing? And Zabriel's like, dude, come on. This is like an honor for them. You can't, you know, you're going to insult them. which also speaks to the lion

really kind of calming down a bit Oh significantly yeah Being a lot more relaxed with his tone Because he as we know old lion was not a very kind of person No not really Nope nope Yeah he's And like all of the fallen that are like

Zabriel you're here with like The Lion Are you Okay Hey, are you, you're alive? Like, what? Like, that's not the lion. I remember.

What the? Like, I'm not dead after I fired upon you. Yeah. It's like, are, what? That's, okay, we got to see this because that doesn't sound like the lion. What? And that, that really is where I think a lot of the character development comes from in this book that helps a lot.

Not just for the lion, but also, this is the most. the most of the fallen, I think we've ever gotten, like in the history of 40K. I would imagine so, because before now, it would just be if the fallen showed up, you're dead. Not even pew, pupeu, p, pu, it is long extended torture to make you repent. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's, it is long, painful torture to get you to repent for your actions. Some night lord stuff.

sort of it's a they do it for fun they're doing it to fall in that are you know Tritongs Even get a little curs at the end of the book Which you know I always appreciate Ah yes curs was haunting him a little bit wasn't he I really like that at the end Whatever warp person was taking the face of all the primarks

Took the face of Perjarovo And Lyon is like Could you at least picked a primark I gave a shit about I thought for sure when it was like, oh yeah, the wires came out of his head. I was like, oh, surely that's going to be angry. Per Trobo. And then I personally liked when he turned into Magnus and he's like, oh, I know you must be a fraud because Magnus doesn't hit that hard. I was like, damn!

That was really funny. Bro! The Savantry on Lion, geez, spitting bars over here. God. I really, I really liked that level of humor. It's just, it's so good. There's so, there's so much of it. I love, I loved Kai, the duelist.

Oh, yeah, the, the over-exaggerating, uh, duelist, which actually his duelist skills very good. It was very, very, very good. He was quite a swordsman, yeah. That being said, he is still like a bump. He kind of reminded me of Russ a little bit. Yeah, when, when you were talking about how Russ would tell, like, over-exaggerated stories. I was like, oh, yeah, just like Kai, just like Kai.

It's great. It is absolutely great. I agree. The entire book went through such a solid of a period of ups and downs. Not like actually bad downs, but just how the story unfolded. Oh, yeah, yeah. There was the, like the first time

they go from Cameroth to Averis or whatever with the Lions Guard and all like the beasts or hunt. in them. It's like genuinely frightening. Oh yeah, definitely. It's great. There's so much lore. There's so much new world lore.

And for a book to pull it off this well, that's kind of the big ending bit. They didn't just do a really good job at explaining a lot of the new, interesting lore of the world. The book is good. Oh, yeah. It is well executed on, on every single level, for sure. I would, I think this is, even if it's not in maybe like my top five books,

I think it's, it is if maybe one of the best made of all 40K novels. I think it's up there with Infinite the Divine. It's up there with like the first heretic. Oh, definitely, definitely. So can the lion do this forest traversal thing anywhere he wants to now? Because by the end of the book, he meditates to learn to clear his mind, which he's never done before. And he can use it at will now, because that's how they surprise Baylor and Serafax. They don't take a shuttle.

They do the forest shenanigans to sort of flank them. So can he just do that at will any time he will? wants to go anywhere he wants now? I mean, I assume that like with most kinds of weird powers, there is a certain level of cool down just from like a mental and personal perspective.

But I do genuinely think that for the most part, he kind of just can because in game he can, which is fun. Oh, wow. He just has deep strike, like a teleport flare, except it's just forest walk now. Got you.

That's a big ability to have. That's huge. Yeah, it's teleport flare without teleport flare. Yeah. Which is just really strong. And, you know, for the most part, not every Primark had like a power, but it's kind of nice that he has at least something. Yeah, and that's a big one. Yeah, that's a really good one.

Imagine getting flanked by a Primark who just shows up out of nowhere. And not only is it... With his boys. with his risen now. And it's like, oh, God. And it's like, okay, not only you're getting flanked by a prime mark, you're getting flanked by the fucking lion.

And it's like, oh, God, all right, great. Just kill me. Not going to lie. It really upsets me that it's called the risen, and I can't unhear it, you know? Why? Riz. Oh, no.

Yeah. I hadn't made that connection until you said it. Why have you cursed me like this? The risen. I know. I know, dude. I know.

I'm not happy about it. But every time, like, it's, it's the zoomer, the zoomer internet has ruined me. If you hadn't said it, I wouldn't have made the connection. You know,

you know, a slight funny thing that I didn't think about. What's that? Well, hey, the cover art of this book is lying with the sword and the sheet.

He gets the shield in the last five minutes of the entire book. He really does. It's like, yeah. Isn't it like the, isn't it literally the epilogue that he gets it? Or is it actually the last five minutes of the main story? I think it's the last five minutes of the story because the epilogue is when he meets Dante. Oh, that's right. He meets Dante and he's like, who are you to wear my sacred brother's face?

He's so pissed. Also, I didn't realize how much Dante likes Sanguinius. why would he not he's a son of sanguinius like sanguineus is like but yeah uh there was that moment where he's like damn it if only gilliman had died instead of sanguineous and it's like whoa all right this man hates gilliman it's really funny often he hates gilliman i i am i'm a big fan although i do like gilliman now so whatever but i like gillam it's comical it's very funny yeah oh but um no i'm if i'm a big fan although i'm i'm a big man now so whatever but i'm if you're I mean, for the most part,

this is actually kind of fun too, because this basically is right before good old, what is it? Arks of Omen. Yeah. It's how he wakes up and how he finds everything

and how the Imperium finds him. And he's also not a big fan of what the Imperium's become, but what are you going to do? Especially because in Arks of Omen, it starts off with him sparring with the old risen. I think Boar's one eye is,

been mentioned by name and stuff in there. Nice. So it's good. It kind of adds a little bit too. And then he fights anger on and all that fun stuff. You'd think they'd mention Zabriel by name because he was kind of like, you know, his right hand man almost. Yeah, a little bit.

Well, actually, they probably did. I don't quite remember. I didn't really go with the names very often when we were doing that arcs of Omen because like you didn't know who they were. Yeah, exactly. That's true. But at that point, we hadn't read Son of the Forest, so it's just, yeah, they're the risen. Hooray.

Hooray. And now every time I say the risen, I hear it, and it's just, why did you do this to me? I'm sorry, dudes. I was living, ignorance was bliss, and then you hit me with the risen. And now, I'm even, I'm even saying it differently now, too. Yeah, you have to say it's the risen, I know. The risen. I'm saying it different now, too. You are a chaos corruption.

Listen, get me the silver wings of soul stealing. You'll see amazing things. Half of Bricky's head just... It immediately combusts on fire. Yeah, exactly. Jeez, you're awful. I know. It's just who I am.

Oh, God. They call me Mr. Shitter. Yeah, they do. They absolutely do. Somebody does. For sure. Someone out there. So do we want to give this a number rating at all?

Or are we just going to say, damn, we love this? Because I was going to give it like a 9 out of 10. I was going to give it a 9. Yeah. 9 out of 10. I think the only thing that would make it into a 10 is if it just did something else for me. Yeah. Like as amazing.

You've got to reserve the 10 out of tens for like perfection. And this was like really, really, really. really good. I don't know if it was perfect, but like 10 out of 10 has got to be like the upper echelon crazy, otherworldly, like, you know. I mean, I can't think of a, of a fault for it. I cannot, because, you know, perfection is a lack of faults. And I can't think of a single bad part of this book. But it didn't, it has, it's not going to like stick with me the same that like the night lord books do. Yeah. You know, like it doesn't, it doesn't have that, that level. I think the night lord books aren't quite as good as Sun to the Forest in like an overall writing.

But the highs are just so memorable. Yeah, the highs are just so much higher at times for me that it kind of... It sticks with you. Like, it does. It hits you in the chest and it just doesn't let go. Yeah. So it's a little tough. Nine out of ten for sure.

Definitely a nine. I think from like an objective, just writing point of view, a nine is perfect. Very close to perfect. Very close. Not quite, but, you know, amazing book. You should read it. If you're a Dark Angels fan and you haven't read it, what are you doing? I mean, honestly, if you're just a fan, I would read it.

It's great. Yeah, if you're just a fan of 40K, yeah, read it. Now the question is the next book. Oh, yeah, we got next one. What are the options? What are you thinking? Maybe I can help. I mean, do you?

Oh, oh. Well, no, I don't have any options. That's the thing. Oh. I had a couple ideas. Oh, well, what are your ideas? Let's brainstorm at the end here. We've talked about the booklet, the brainstorm about the next one.

All right. Hand me with your best shot. There's a couple ideas I have. Fire away. First one, I get the joke. First one was I was thinking, okay, we could do the next Eisenhorn book. Oh, yeah, we did. We did.

Apparently they get better and better. the whole time. Apparently it just continues to get really, really good. Okay, okay, okay. There, I was thinking, if we wanted to do more Horacee stuff, I had two options.

I had either Folgram, which has the Maraviglia and everything. Is that the painting that he is supposedly stuck in? No, that's the, um, the, uh, the concert. Oh, right, right, right. What's the Maraviglia? No, that is the, that the Marviglia is the name of the concert.

Oh, oh, oh, okay. There is, there is also the painting, but that's a different thing. Right, right, right. The other one is one that we haven't done in a while, or we haven't done, and it's shocking that we haven't. Horace Rising, the first Horacee book, like ever. Maybe we should do that one just because that sounds like it's one of those iconic. ones that is surprising that we haven't done. I do kind of want to hear about the concert though.

I do kind of want to hear about the Maraviglia, but a part of me feels like maybe we should do the Horace Rising. There's also a lot of other ones like, there's a couple other ones. There's like Hell's Reach. That's also really big. At the same time, I also don't want to, I don't want to overdo space marine stuff

because there's so much of it. Do we want to sleep on it? Because Shy's not here. We can ask Shy on... If shy actually had a genuine thought about what book we should read, she would be here. That's... If she gave a shit, if she was like,

we're going to read this orc book. We would be here. She would be here. Well, I suppose if she would suggest the or whatever orc book she knew, that's true. That's true. That's true. All right.

All right. Make a decision, Bricky. No, no, no. We're going to leave it to the viewers in comments section. And, you know, we're going to leave it. We're going to leave it to our patrons on, on Discord as well as maybe Twitter, et cetera. We're going to, we're going to have a vote. We're going to do the second Eisenhorn.

book, Horace Rising, or... The Fulgroom book. Or Fulgram, sure, or Fulgram. Okay, that's a good array. Those all sound interesting to me. I don't care which one wins. They all sound good. Perfect.

All right. We'll find out. We'll figure it out. We'll see what we get. And, yeah. With that, um, you ever won so much for watching.

Hold for... Oh, wait, there's one part of the book I didn't even. mentioned that I really feel like I should have. Okay. What's that? The part of Baylor gets to the planet and he's like, uh, it's like, who am I speaking to? It's like someone with working surface to air missiles. Identify yourself shithead. That's right.

That is not imperial soldiers. That is not the imperial code at all. That was, hey. All right. All right. Baylor, smack is nuts. Okay.