Adeptus Ridiculous - THE SQUATS ARE BACK: What we know so far about the Leagues Of Votann | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:12 to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamante's. My co-host is Bricky. He has all the pertinent Warhammer 40K crazy ridiculous lore. But before he tells it to us, if you enjoy today's episode, heading over to Patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous and consider supporting the podcast. You can get stuff like access to our Discord, bloopers when they happen. Such a cute Katie and Catboy poster.
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Starting point is 00:01:20 I don't know. Hopefully. Okay, if you guys are screeching, let me know if you're screeching. But if you're not screeching, then we're doing our best. I don't know if anybody's chomping at the bit for Krieg. Like if you know the basic. Stop being a dick. I'm just saying it's well written, but it's kind of boring.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Like, if you know anything about Krieg, anything at all. This is exactly what I expected out of a Krieg book. It's very good for people who really like World War I Germans in history. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. But for today, because I just got back from Pax, we are going to have a bit of a shorter episode today, a bit of a simpler episode, and one that's a little bit off the cuff and a lot more,
Starting point is 00:02:08 it's just different for the average 40K episode that we're normally jumping into unfortunately for you DK I don't have a quote because there really are
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Starting point is 00:02:36 Just a little bit of riff-raft going on here we are talking about the new squats oh the league of o tan yet the leagues of o tan let's go leagues right can i just make people mad by saying league of votan well if you said league of legends
Starting point is 00:02:54 then we have a whole problem on our hands oh the misery should be should I please post the cat if when we get to that part I really like that cat silly little cat Looks like my cat. I have to enjoy that meme now. It's a face around.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Yes, the leagues of Votan. So, they were obviously revealed. So squats. Actually, we should go back a little bit. Squats were a topic we did a while ago. That was our DK-led episode. Let's go, squads. I'm sure Shai will link in the description or just look up squats for us.
Starting point is 00:03:34 We did an episode on the squats in their old lore way, way, way, way back when. So obviously the squads were gone, gone to hiding, whatever the hell they were doing. And now... They were mostly genocided, right? By the nids, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, for no particular reason,
Starting point is 00:03:50 other than Games Workshop was just like, hey, we fucked this up. Like, we really fucked up space dwarfs. So that we... Oh, boy, let's just eat them. Let's be done with it. Just eat them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:03 So they decided to bring them back, of course. The squads have returned. And they are the leagues of Votam. And it just so happened that, like, in typical fashion, Luton had our brainwaves and made a video on that himself, you bastard. Damn you, Luton. We were already preparing on this shit. They were just like, the squads returned.
Starting point is 00:04:23 But did they? I'm like, oh, my God, Luton, you can read my memories and my minds. But so Games Workshop came out with a little article called The Leagues of Votan are coming, but what actually is a Votam? And it's a little one-page thing with some new art images and a little bit of their background lore talking about what their stick is. Oh, cool. And it's really fucking cool.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Yeah, all right, sweet. I didn't even know this existed. It just came out recently. I remember when squats got revealed everyone. Everyone was asking me about squats. And for me, I'm never really a big fan of the whole space dwarf thing. I always thought it was kind of silly. I mean, 40K is silly, obviously.
Starting point is 00:05:07 But it wasn't my aesthetic. I never really played dwarfs. I don't play Deep Rock Galactic. You know, I just, I'm not that kind of, that's not my kind of thing, but this, I am genuinely excited for this now. Wow, you don't Rockin Stone? I, it's one of those things where, like, I know I should play it.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Yeah, it seems like it'd be right up your alley with, uh, with some friends. Like, that game is great. I know. I love that game. I know, I'll, I'll certainly get there at some point. It's just, like, it's on my list for this year, just haven't gotten onto the list.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Yeah. I'm just shocked you haven't yet. It's one of those things that everyone... It's like, oh, yeah, you've got to be like, you were there day one. And it's like, oh. No, everyone talks about it, but I never, I never ended up playing it.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Now that everyone talks so much about it and keeps telling me to play it, I'm trying to like find a good time to play it where it's like a really, really like good set time frame and it's really, like, you know, that whole doubt with you. Anywho, the leagues of Votam are really interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:06 I mean, I can basically, read this entire article verbatim if I needed to, because it's not very long at all. The idea what they're trying to do is discuss what in the world of Votan is. And they refer to something called the Kinn.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And so there's the Votam, and then there are the KIN. And I believe that the KIN are referred to as the squats themselves. Okay. So they're known as KIN. Perhaps that'll be the name of the unit. The unit's just like, KIN squad, whatever the hell. They are.
Starting point is 00:06:37 They are the leagues of the Votan. And so the Kim do not talk about Votan outside, or by any outsiders. It is a sacred custom and is dealt with with sensible caution. They use the word plenty, the Votan, the Votan, but no one really knows what they are outside of the league. And the reason for this is because if, apparently the leagues of Votan are in an uneasy alliance with the Imperium.
Starting point is 00:07:07 So they are technically alive with the Imperium, but if they were to reveal what they have, it would crumble quickly because the Votam is a, quote, ancestor core, super cogitators, and gestalt repositories of inherited wisdom and knowledge. It is a big fucking AI. Oh. What is it? Oh. It is a gigantic AI. slash STC, and it says here that some had developed idiosyncrasies
Starting point is 00:07:42 what might be termed personalities. Oh, boy. So they're sitting on a giant potentially dark age STC AI? Poss, I think. I mean, I'm not sure if they're technically an STC
Starting point is 00:08:00 because STC standard, if I'm not mistaken, was standard template construct. Oh, oh, right. If it was an STC, would be the template to build something like that. Right, right, you're right. These appear to be enormous data banks, basically.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Like, a gigantic, I mean, every computer is a calculator. Yeah. In a sense, you know, a giant hardcore calculator. This is a super calculator, and as it says, Gestalt repositories
Starting point is 00:08:32 of inherited wisdom and knowledge. So it's a giant, fucking data bank slash supercomputer slash AI. Damn. Is it to the point where the Imperium would consider it heresy? Yes. Oh. So they really don't want to be talking about this thing.
Starting point is 00:08:54 And they want to keep these things a big secret because it's... Says, uh, each league has its own Votan, central to its way of life. And no Kim would hesitate to lay down their... lives to protect it. These venerable cogitators are as sacred to the kin as gods as they are to more spiritual races. That's the sort of thinly adeptist mechanicus has strong opinions on. Strong opinions on, eh?
Starting point is 00:09:24 Yes. That's interesting. So, like, at any point, if the Imperium found out about what a Votan is, shit would potentially hit the fan. particularly the admec i'm assuming because yeah it appears that they are reveling as these votan as their gods which they basically means they are they are having a i as their gods which is like mega heresy i was gonna say to the admec that would be like ultra heresy that'd be like heresy speed run any percent any percent 100 percent all bosses yeah all bosses yeah all
Starting point is 00:10:05 bosses, oh boy. So the Imperium has no idea what a Votan is, and they don't understand why they're called the League of Votan, or the Leagues of Votan? So to remind you this is a single page of script here. There is not, yeah, there's only a single page of text, and it's mainly a little teaser. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:10:28 But it is certainly very interesting, see this. So like this said, the word, Votan is used plenty. They are the leagues of Votan, but what a Votan is is not discussed. Oh, okay. So they know of its existence, but it's kept quite secret. And if you notice in
Starting point is 00:10:47 the picture Shai posted, their armor is pretty tacked out. They don't really have the, everything is a cathedral kind of issue with Admec and like, I mean
Starting point is 00:11:03 Marines are a little bit more high techie, but that looks like more genuine sci-fi space age armor he has like a tabard on and like a little cloak sure oh yeah it looks really great actually yeah a bunch of tats on his face too um but if you'll notice he has like the little
Starting point is 00:11:19 I'm assuming that's the little bits of their language coming out in this like AI blurts of code and it looks like he actually has that inscribed upon his cape little tabard there and maybe even his face oh yeah oh yeah It does look like that.
Starting point is 00:11:36 That's actually a really cool picture. The leagues of O-Tan look very cool. They're definitely, they're very chunky, but they're, despite being squats, they still seem like decently proportions, which is interesting. And, yeah, and their armor looks like big. It looks like, it looks like giant diving suits in space kind of deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're big daddies.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Now, let's hope they are. It says here, within these self-organized, data stacks and quantum info cores is held all the information a people might need to survive among the stars. Weapon specifications, military theory, genealogy, data, science, philosophy, and even standard template constructs. So let's make this clear. Standard epit constructs are not what a votan is. A votan has one, possibly plural. So we all saw what an STC did to the Mad mek would it just ribbed the shit out of that one guy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:40 So if this one has all of these things and the possibility of not one but multiple standard template constructs in one singular votan... Wow. It says there is an unimaginable wealth of lore buried in each votam, which cannot be allowed to fall into the more superstitious hands of outsiders. Oh, wow. So they have a lot of really important tech or potential tech. Man, like, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to think that, like, the leagues of Votan and the Imperium wouldn't actually be friends? Like, I know you said it was kind of a shaky truce and alliance, but I feel like if the
Starting point is 00:13:31 Imperium knew half of the shit that the Votans had, they would just pillage and plunder them. Well, oh, they would, yeah, I must say maybe more so pillage, or destroy, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And take it for their own and give it to like the admec or something.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Like they have STCs. That's such a big deal. What are the Nekrons would think about this? Yeah, what would Trazen think? Oh, he'd be like, dope. I'm gonna steal one of these Votans, baby. Get in the vault. All right, Shai threw out a quote here.
Starting point is 00:14:05 It says, The creation of Asilica animus, AI, is a terrible crime under imperial law by the decree of the emperor of mankind himself, as stated in the Treaty of Mars which united the ancient Mechanica of Mars with the Imperium of Terra. Tradition holds that such unholy constructs
Starting point is 00:14:21 are inherently evil and a pervert abomination in the sight of the Omnisiah. Oh, boy. Ha. I was going to say, like, I don't know how the ad mech are going to get along with the leagues of O-Tan. Like, their very existence in everything they have is like spitting in the face of the ad me, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to get along right.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Oh, she has another one for me. All right. Although their civilization shares common roots with humanity, the leagues of Votan have an uneasy relationship. have an uneasy relationship with the Imperium of Man. Unlike their superstitious human cousins, the leagues emerged from the age of strife with far more of their ancient technology intact, including some infamous advances
Starting point is 00:15:09 the Imperium would consider extremely heretical. Yeah, that sounds about right. I do like that they're still keeping with the idea that they've got like sort of dark-aged tech that they've been advancing because they were sort of ice-old. isolated in the age of strife. Like, they wouldn't know what the, what the Imperium thinks is heretical,
Starting point is 00:15:32 because they were cut off. They kind of just had to, I'm assuming, they were cut off and they just had to, like, survive. And they were like, oh, shit, if we have to survive, let's make these crazy advancements. No one told us it was against the law. What that fuck? You know how when you meet a random stranger sometimes,
Starting point is 00:15:49 and you start up a conversation, and you're just talking about your day or whatever, and then immediately the lady next to you that you're talking to for the last 10 minutes it's like well God has plans for all of us and his divine light blesses you today and then you have to immediately adjust how you speak
Starting point is 00:16:05 to this person. Oh yeah. That's what I imagine they were like they're like oh it's the Imperium and they were like the God Emperor of mankind seeks why you are here and like oh okay we need all right we need to adjust how we talk to these people we got to send a letter back home
Starting point is 00:16:21 and tell them not to let the Imperium know about the supercomputer computer ayes that we made. You get some religious religious fruitcake energy going on there with the Imperium. And so I can absolutely imagine them just being like, oh,
Starting point is 00:16:37 oh my God, okay, hold up, back up, let's keep this quiet. And granted, they are dwarves and dwarves don't like to talk about their stuff much. True, true, true. Um, oh, Shai said they're also living proof that you don't need to do the horrible shit the Imperium does to survive in the shittiness of 40K. We don't know what they do.
Starting point is 00:16:58 I have to hold that back a little bit because they also treat these AI cogitators as gods. Yeah. And what they could have done in the name of their gods could be a tad. Well, I don't know what they've been doing. Little suss. Little suss.
Starting point is 00:17:16 I also do like the, like them being kind of isolated could explain also like why their armor looks the way it does and why they don't have the usual, like, the seals and all the little scrolls hanging off them, because they've been isolated. They don't know what the fuck is up. I kind of like that. I like the idea that they're like,
Starting point is 00:17:36 oh, yeah, we're just coming out of the age of strife. They look like diving suits, yeah, like they're big chunky. Though there is one part of this I want to read also. It says, of course, the 41st millennium being what does, not all as well among the votam. It turns out that even machines of near limitless power can eventually run out of memory. Whoever first created these marvels
Starting point is 00:17:58 did not design them for tens of thousands of years of constant operation, and the sheer weight of data they are forced to compute has begun to slow them down. Some have developed into idiosyncrasies, what might be deemed, or term personalities,
Starting point is 00:18:15 when once the kin would have received an answer to a tough question a matter of moments, as the 41st millennium comes to a close, some Votan can take decades or even centuries to deliver the same solution. Day by day, year by year,
Starting point is 00:18:29 the ancestor corps become more eccentric and mercurial. So they're getting old, eh? I'm visualizing dwarves that don't know how to use a computer. And it's like when you go to your
Starting point is 00:18:46 mother's ancient aging at laptop and there are 40 tabs of Google Chrome open. Or gateway PC. Yeah. And it has like 40 tabs. Oh, Oh, this is why. Yep.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And I'm starting to bookofgrudges.exe run. So if anything ever happened to these votans, right? Like let's say they've been going for 10,000 years, their processing power has slowed, and one just breaks. Uh-oh. They wouldn't know what to do, would they like, I mean, it was built so long.
Starting point is 00:19:27 ago, I'm assuming they wouldn't be able to fix it. And like, what is the, what do the kin do with one of their gods breaks? I, I don't know. But there's the also thing that says they developed personalities and it become more eccentric. Like, they're becoming sentient. Sentient AIs are always a bad idea. They're personality developing. And specifically the words eccentric and mercurial.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Can I get, like, are one of these votes? hand just going to be some sassy ass fucker who's constantly like Lamow get fucked kind of character he sends people out and that's this special rules for this league of Votam if your entire league is from the same army you get special ability
Starting point is 00:20:11 go fuck yourself after defeating an enemy punch your opponent in the face like are they gonna I remember when I was playing I was playing Destiny I was playing the new the new raid
Starting point is 00:20:23 vow of disciple and as it goes on the main boss of that raid, Rolk, is very, uh, he kind of gets, he kind of gets more angry. He has this like drown in the deep, like you will drown in darkness, this kind of thing. And as time goes on, as you keep getting past his offense, he gets a little bit more molding. And then if you look at your, uh, look at your mission requirements at the end of the game, or when you fight him, it's just in all caps, no spaces, drown, drown, drown. He's like, he's furious.
Starting point is 00:20:53 He's like molding so hard. Damn. So I'm imagining this. AI just starts to get really upset. Just a molding AI, yeah. It's very, it's a curiousness because, so I'm visualizing it in the sense of gameplay a little bit, right? The squats, if they're like fantasy dwarves, they're going to be very tanky. That's just, they should be.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're also probably going to be very slow. Naturally. But, which is actually doubling humorous, because one, slow because size. and probably slow because perhaps computing power. Yeah, yeah. They've also got very chunky armor,
Starting point is 00:21:33 so they probably should be weighed down a little bit. I'm curious, I feel like they're going to be a combination of the death guard and the admec, where instead of, like, poisoning your opponent as the death guard, you instead kind of super buff your own weapons and armor, admec style, which makes this very immovable line. But I'm imagining that with these,
Starting point is 00:21:55 with the kin their votans being so slow and taking so much time and developing these strange these strange personalities makes it literally the idea that their god has a personality
Starting point is 00:22:09 yeah and shy made a good mention it says GW Ryan makes a good point and they're reliable weapons so they don't need to bless their weapons and stuff like they're probably going to hit really accurately and very hard probably kind of towel-like
Starting point is 00:22:24 Yeah. Oh man, the, man, the admec are really not going to like them. As long as they, well, dwarves don't talk much when they don't have to in the sense of like, or reveal much, they're spiteful pricks. And if they can figure out like a, oh my God, the repository of grudges. The repository of grudges. Is that a thing or did you just make that up on the spot? No, but in fantasy, in Sigma, so the dwarfs with a book of grudges where they literally have a book of grudges. I didn't know there was actually a book of grudges.
Starting point is 00:23:09 No, they actually have a book of grudges. Oh, shit. These people have wronged me and they write their name in the book. One of my favorite sound clips is this guy screeching the top of his lungs like, this is going in the fucking book. I never heard Yeah, they have a book of grudges Well, good for them
Starting point is 00:23:30 The repository of grudges It's just going in the repository I feel like there's There's no way the leagues of O-10 aren't going to be Scottish Oh, fair enough Fair enough
Starting point is 00:23:43 There's no way they're not going to be Scottish They have to be Scottish Have to be, absolutely have to be Can I get a special ability called the Glasgow Kiss? Oh hell yeah, dude fucking, fucking just runs up
Starting point is 00:23:57 Yeah, on a four of you do immortal wounds For a head butt Hell yeah They got to They got to They've got to They've got to
Starting point is 00:24:06 They've got to So it's It really throws a lot of questions Because The guy's gun in the little Reveal trailer That's like a That has little
Starting point is 00:24:16 Blue coils What makes look at a plasma gum And the gun they have In their hands In the mini Looks like a It looks like a Bolter, but also like a flamer at the same time.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Yeah, it's got that little canister on the bottom of it that looks like it should be fuel for, yeah, like you said, a flamer. Or maybe they just make their own incendiary rounds, eh? Maybe, though I'm also noticing on the gun, I don't see any spent shell ejectors, whatever they call that thing. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:48 So maybe it's like a laser gun, and that's like the little capacitor for it. Like a battery or a, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I haven't thought about that. Although I've only just seen this picture, but, you know. It's a little bizarre. I mean, the first one is absolutely a plasma gun.
Starting point is 00:25:05 That is clear. Like the coils on it. It's just a little bit of a higher tech-looking one. And, yeah, it's kind of fascinating with that thing. And then, of course, the actual, if you look at the image of the dude who's pointing at all the AI junk. I can't quite tell but that thing on his back
Starting point is 00:25:25 it either looks like it's just a kind of a headpiece to show that he's a captain or it looks like it could be a fucking sword Oh I never know That's totally a melee weapon That's some kind of like Sword or
Starting point is 00:25:39 It's the hilt of Something It could be or it could be like They have like the little thing that they go over their head It's kind of a way to symbolize rank perhaps Though he also has like the Cabbered in the Cape. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:53 But, like, behind them, it's a little strange. Like, behind them is very... So the place doesn't look very imperializing, except for all the giant cables. Yeah. But what is that, like, to his left? It looks like a bunch of... They're either, like, dudes in stasis,
Starting point is 00:26:11 or are they... Or, like, ceremonial statues. They look like ceremonial statues that they would, like, almost worship. Right, because they're... They still look like... kind of have an Imperium vibe, but it could be simply the, um, the art, because the art definitely has a, has a very specific, uh, dark fantasy vibe to it, because that's where we're at. Um,
Starting point is 00:26:32 but their armor is so big and, I don't know. You know, it kind of gives me vibes of like Prometheus, the, the alien ship with like the big, um, big, big, blue dude, whoever's name was. Yeah. Yeah, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, The Votans behind the guy look like they are so heavily armored. Yeah. That is some heavy armor. It's way heavier than this commander guy's armor. That's like, that is like Terminator armor, but just, just armor.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Yeah. I mean, those statues might be, um, because I know ye old squats before they got squatted. Their big thing was that they, um, uh, they sort of like worship their lineage and their family name. and they're like family history. So maybe they're keeping that intact. And that's just like their forefathers who they, you know, they're looking down on us boys. Could be or I mean,
Starting point is 00:27:27 I think they definitely worship these AI cogitators and the like the Votons. Yeah. And how they take the data from them and what they say and do. Because then being slow is also, is also kind of bizarre. Like if they're slowing down so heavily in their ability to answer difficult questions, how does that affect them in the world of 40K? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:53 I'm trying to figure out how they adjust. Because I'm looking at them, it feels like they're going to have like tau weaponry, high tech, high level, death guard tankiness, and then ad mech adjustments, like on the fly stuff. Because I can imagine them asking their big cogitator, systems for something going on in game.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And then you're like, oh, well, you're fighting this enemy. I know about the tirades before they're doing this thing. And then kind of have this, this kind of, I don't know. It's interesting to think about them because they're, they seem certainly unique, but in a very, oh, a very, very, very weird way. Yeah, I'm, I am, I am waiting with baited breath to see the. the first interaction between the Imperium and the Leagues of O-Tan. Because, like, I have no idea how these two are going to get along.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Like, you just look at the armor, you look at their weaponry, and it's like something right here. You guys are way too advanced. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, and then, um, the quote here, it's, uh, the new background for the leagues of Voton built off the old lore in interesting ways, including how they interact with their ancestors. So they, they do have the ancestor worship parts. Oh, okay. so that's still a thing, cool, cool.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Because yeah, I suppose you would want to build off the old lore instead of just completely abandoning it, I guess, yeah. Right, but then you also have it adjusted throughout the whole AI kind of concept. And like the idea of worshipping an AI is really goddamn cool and finding a way to worship an AI and mix in the spiteful, angry dwarves in the 40K grim, dark universe is really fascinating. And it's just, it's such a, like, unique concept. And I really like it
Starting point is 00:29:48 Yeah, I am I'm ready for more I'm so ready for more I don't know exactly when they're going to be coming out We've only seen the single mini And I know if I'm not mistaken We've got Chaos Nights Is I think next
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah, I know it's this year They're supposed to come out this year Oh Which is actually soon in GW time but they're supposed to come out this year I know we have Chaos Nights next and then we have another one of those like DLC books or something
Starting point is 00:30:23 and then it should be Chaos Space Marines after that and then probably Guard and then maybe World Eaters or Demons and then you've also got because the demons haven't had their codex yet and this is supposed to be the year of Chaos trademark not real
Starting point is 00:30:40 but and then Then the Horace Hercise is actually getting a whole bunch of new plastic models. Oh, that's right. I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they're getting a nice refresh because normally they're all resin. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:56 So making them all plastic is really cool as well. So there's that. So I don't know. I hope the Votan don't just arrive and then we get 10th edition. That'd be really aggravating. Brand new faction, then just gone. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.
Starting point is 00:31:11 I just want more lore on them. Because I just think this uneasy alliance between the leagues and the Imperium is just really interesting. It also makes for a good idea for like why you're fighting them. They know. They know the secrets. I also want to, I'm also curious how they're going to, like are they still going to be really at odds with the Eldar? And like how are they going to interact with the Eldar? and a part of me almost imagines that the leagues are going to be sort of like the Imperium will like,
Starting point is 00:31:48 oh yeah, we'll work with the Eldar if push comes to shove, maybe. To me, it just feels like there's no way the Imperium is always going to side with the leagues of Oton. I would be shocked, shocked if they were always friends and didn't eventually get into some big warring spats the way they do with like the Eldar. The I think that they would definitely like the Eldar less because the dwarves hate elves
Starting point is 00:32:18 obviously but I don't know the uneasy it's always uneasy alliances with the Eldar it's never a constant thing because they're just you know
Starting point is 00:32:29 because there's a way they're weirdos yeah and the Eldar and the dwarves obvious because it's what is it's elves and orcs that's what they hate for most yep in Old Lord
Starting point is 00:32:39 the elves and the orcs both backst stabbed the squats at the same fucking time. And that kept it in the fucking book. I bet they made a whole book about it. Oh, here we go. And while there's no love loss between the leagues of Voton and humankind, the resurgence of chaos and ascendant Zenos hordes means there are usually more pressing concerns than fighting each other.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Ah, okay. So it is very uneasy. And if there was no chaos, no Zenos hordes, they would probably be. Trying to kill each other. They are. They are certainly in a, in a confusing situation. Yep.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Yep. Yep. You, I mean, you need a reason for everyone to kill each other. Like, that's just, like,
Starting point is 00:33:24 you need that. That's, that's part of the damn game. You want to fight each other. Everyone needs to be able to kill each other at some point. Yep. In the tabletop, it's totally canon that the fucking leagues of Votown would fight the Imperium,
Starting point is 00:33:35 yeah, because they're, oh, the heresy. They're just, they're just bathing in heresy. That's interesting I'm curious
Starting point is 00:33:43 I don't got much else for this episode That's why I was mainly just discussion And thinking about it But I'm already sold I'm hyped I'm hyped up for more whatever As far as the leagues of O-Tan are concerned Anything just throw something out there
Starting point is 00:33:58 I'm ready I'm good This is the This is the reason why GW lore It can be hit or miss But if there's anything it is it's always unique. Yes.
Starting point is 00:34:11 It's always interesting. 40K, if nothing else, is always unique and interesting. I will give them that. So we now we just need to make sure that they go the right direction. And lately they've been doing well. The most recent massive lore change, I think, was the sisters. They're big redo. They're big, um...
Starting point is 00:34:35 Oh, and the Cron's. And the Cron. Sisters and Cron's have been getting, a bunch of the new, like, resurgence of lore, and both have been pretty stellar. Yeah. Those, those Kron books have been incredible. Haven't had a bad Kron book so far. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:34:53 All right. Well, I mean, that's about it. You know, I didn't have time to research a major episode because of Boston, but I'm glad we got to talk about this and discuss it a little bit. It's really fascinating. And, like, keep it coming. More articles. Please.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Show us some more minis. I want to see what their fucking tanks look like. Oh, yeah, what their big machines look like. Yeah. Hell, yes. Can you imagine, because every army has multiple options. Like, even though the death guard are slow, they still have, like, fast attack options and stuff like that. I want to see some dwarves with, like, a big fucking backpack jetpack.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Just watch him blasting his way through. You think they're going to do, because way back with the squats, they had like those, those big artillery cannons in like these big trains that had cannons on them i wonder if they're gonna bring back like squat trains squat oh my god damn squat trains like actual trains and like the they've got i mean they've got to have some ridiculous heavy artillery right oh imagine this imagine each section of a train is actually an individual unit and you can uh reassemble and disassemble x y z robot ugeo level shit oh hell yeah so it's actually like a giant like fucking snake that just sort of, ah, that'd be so cool.
Starting point is 00:36:13 And your opponent can target a specific section of the train so that it breaks off and then you have to like deal with two units instead of one or something. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, if the middle part gets broken off, you can't reconnect them. Ah, that'd be great. Normally, normally I'd say that this is, um, this is too interesting for GW, but this has been a really interesting little article they got. So God knows what they're going to pull out.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Who knows? Oh, man. now I want to see what their heavy artillery is like. I really want to see it, damn it. And it's probably going to be super high tech, too, because I got the photons telling them how to build it, and they might have STC's. I want more now.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I'm very curious. What if... For some reason, I was just thinking to myself, like, one of the photons is just Sir Gideon. Sir Gideon. From Eldon Ring, because he's the all-knowing. Oh, yeah. That would fit.
Starting point is 00:37:08 And what is your Votan? Like Sir Gideon Offner. The all knowing. The loathsome dung eater. The loathsome dung eater. The way the narrator just belts that out. He's a king. Yes, he is.
Starting point is 00:37:28 All right. Votan. Vote on. Keep it coming. Yes. Come in, Gw. This is very interesting. More.
Starting point is 00:37:37 More. More. More. All right, goodbye. This is going into the book of grudges.

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