Adeptus Ridiculous - THE THOUSAND SONS: ALL IS DUST | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Thousand Sons were the XV Legion of the original twenty Space Marine Legions. Their Primarch is Magnus, oft called Magnus the Red. The Legion turned traitor during the Horus Heresy, after which it relocated to Sortiarius, the Planet of Sorcerers, in the Eye of Terror, and dedicated itself to the Chaos God of change, sorcery and magic, Tzeentch. For a time it appeared that Tzeentch protected the Thousand Sons from the corruption and fragmentation that most of the other Traitor Legions underwent, but eventually the Legion went through a crisis of mutation and de-evolution, seemingly at the wish of their patron-God. Aghast at this development, their chief sorcerer, Ahriman, cast a powerful spell designed to render the Thousand Sons immune to the warping effects of Chaos. While the spell succeeded in this goal, it had an unforseen consequence of transforming the mutated Thousand Sons into little more than mystically animated suits of armour barely capable of being termed as anything more sentient than automata.With the only surviving cognisant members being those incredibly strong in heretical psychic powers, the Thousand Sons are now a legion of ghosts led by the damned.Support the show

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I forgive you, Bricky. I feel like if the Thousand-Sun players out there still had flesh, they would be like turning in their suits of armor with that statement. Yeah, there's a little dust bunnies are floating around in the armor and they're just turning over and over, yeah. I just, I can't, I can't imagine, like, as a represent, as the speaker of the Thousand Sons,

D.K. Diamantis, how dare you? How dare you? I, I, I speak for the Sons. You speak for the Sons. I speak for the Sons. I am a son. Oh my God. So, Thousand Sons,

thousand sons. Let's go. I mean, I would give you a quote, but, you know, is, you know, be... If you were going to give me a quote, and I didn't know what today's episode would be, what quote would you give me?

Or do you not have one? Just straight up. Oh, I just didn't look one up for this one. That's fine. I was going to say, do it anyway, because why not? They're fun. But, yeah, if you don't have one,

let's move along. But, so we ended last episode, basically with the end of the Horace heresy. Magnus has received full demon primal mark mode. The Crimson King is very, very big. Nipple horn. Nipple horns. I thoroughly appreciate the top comment of our most recent episode, which is Magnus did nothing wrong. He was told to do nothing and he did it wrong. All right. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I like it. I like it. Give that man a shout out because that is, yep.

I mean, it may have been a joke reiterated from someone else, but it was very, very funny regardless. So accurate. I will now be saying, I will now be. I will now be. be saying Magnus did nothing wrong. And when anybody asked me if I, how can I believe that? I'm going to, I'm going to steal that joke. Good. All right, good. I'm glad I can help with a little bit of that.

I have gaffed it. Gaffed it? Yeah. That's not. I don't know. That was like a high school thing for like stealing. It was like, oh, I'm going to gaff your soda. I don't like gaffing tape.

Oh, yeah, there is gaffer tape, isn't there? Yeah, a gaffer tape. That's fine. So after, of course, the whole shenan. Anagins with the siege of terror and everything. Good old Magnus gets himself, you know, blapped by Vulcan after a decent fight. You know, Horace dies. Well, maybe dies.

I don't know what they're doing with the end of the death at this point. But death to the corpse emperor. Death to the corpse emperor. Good stuff, you know, the classic, the classic stuff. So after this, Aramon and folks and friends. all, of course, leave and flee from the ensuing imperial legions trying to get them. Okay. Makes sense.

You know, they're heretics. Of course, the city of light has moved to the planet of sorcerers in the eye of terror. Terror, sorry, not terra. Terror, yeah, yeah. The planet of sorcerers also known as sortiaris. Sortarius, whatever word. It's a dean of world.

it's where Zin snagged all of the stuff after Magnus decided to go ahead and swear their fealty and then put it all here on the demon world. You know, big, ever-changing sorcerer world deep in the eye of terror. Right. That's the planet that

Zin specifically had made ready to go because he was like, oh yeah, this guy's turning. Yeah, he's prepped. So, now, because they've spent as much time in the eye of terror at this point, and as time goes on, the flesh change mutation of the Thousand Suns is getting worse.

Because obviously it's just, it's getting very, very bad. And the amount of, you know, warp shenanigans that occur in the eye of terror are also very, very bad. Yeah. So it would, it would probably amplify it pretty hard. So when the flesh change happens, do you just become like a mindless chaos spawn, essentially? Because I was going to say... That's the end result of it. Flesh change starts off with small changes.

Yeah, so it's not like when you become a chaos demon, you keep your senses, you just become a raving monster. Yeah, you become... You eventually will flesh change into a chaos spawn, which is just an absolute like abomination. Yeah, I've been playing a lot of rogue trader recently. I know. It's like the first boss, isn't it? Yeah, but then also if you use too much warped shenanigans, you can accidentally spawn like four them. Yeah, I've had that happen. It's not great. Yeah, or a blood letter. That's not great either.

Or one of those, that's true. Shai's got a good picture there. That's pretty metal. Oh my God. Sheesh. So the chaos spawn we know of is like the archetypical one with the mouth and the tentacles and things. Honest to God, a chaos spawn can be whatever. Yeah, because it's war. Yeah. Well, the only reason I ask is because I was like, well, if they're in the warp and they're heretical, Who cares if you look like a mutated monster? You're a heretic, but it's like, oh, if you become a mindless that, then, yeah, you might, your buddies might care. So, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's, it's whatever any of the gods really just want you to become.

It's not like being a demon, which has a little bit more of like a specific form, well, sometimes, unless you're just, you just become a weird mass of flesh that's just erupting on itself. But, you know, good old flesh change is not very fun. And so Mr. Aramon himself, art sorcerer of the Thousand Sons, went ahead to go attempt his own way to deal with this. Now, you may know this special part of the Thousand Sun's lore as the rubric. One might know it as the rubric of Aramon.

as well. Interesting. Aren't they called Rubric Space Marines? Rubric Marines, in fact. Wild, yeah? Now, to be fair, I don't know exactly

how this story goes. I know the end result and I know the gist of it, but I don't know all the all the creamy details. Why did I say creamy details? certainly not the dusty details. Yeah, the very dry details.

So, yeah, go ahead. So the rubric of Armin basically it was a special power that was glimpsed from Magnus the Reds book, the book of Magnus. Or just like the rubric. The flesh changed, getting as bad as it was, things were as problematic as they were reaching. They need to figure out how to utilize this sorceress spell. Sorcerous spell.

It's a mouthful. That's a mouthful. That is alliteration at its best. Thank you. To find a cure. A permanent cure for the. flesh change. So when he got this spell, he attempted to utilize it and, you know, use the power of, his

sorcerer's power as a cast of spell, but he simply was not powerful enough. He was not strong enough whatsoever. And right now, Aramette and Magnus are like not getting along for the most part. I thought it wasn't until after this that they didn't get along. They, even before they were just like, eh, I tolerate you, but no, no, they're not, they don't really believe Magnus has done a particularly good job at saving their, their Legion, especially at this point, which is ironic considering Magnus is like the one who gives a shit the most, but at this point in time. Yeah, and he's the only reason they're even alive at all. Right, but at this point in time, you know, like with, with Demon Primark Magnus, a very, very hate, a very hateful and spiteful, this, you know, there's a lot less like, I'm not going to go to dad to help me with this.

I'm going to do it myself. And he couldn't. So instead, he gathered a cabal of sorcerers, this massive group of sorcerers on the planet of sorcerers to do the sorceress spell and begin manifesting the rubric in this massive, you know, like storm of power. And it was like planet wide kind of stuff, this hurricanes of. like multi-colored clouds. Demons in this area ran away because this sorcerer was what,

this sorcery was one of those ones that could like permanently snuff them out. Oh, this is, this is permanent demon-snuffing sorcer. So this is no joke. True death. And it's making like tornadoes of this stuff? It's a giant like maelstrom of psychic energies. Wow.

As this maelstrom was like swirling and swirling as it was, lightning would begin launching from the maelstrom and striking various thousand sons members. Now, doing so, the change that occurred depended on what kind of member of the thousand sons you were. For example, we joke about like everyone is dust in thousand sons, not actually fully true. Oh, really? No. It is a majority of them, but it is not everybody. The ones of less psychic might, the ones that were more succumbed to the flesh change and those that did not have as much psychic power were zapped and their entire body evaporated directly into dust. Just completely all their flesh into dust.

But the psychic shock also permanently smold, like, not welded, I guess in a sense, but like made their armor, I don't know, it's like, like, coffinized it. Like, it welded their armor shut in a way. Shut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So even if they were alive, you can't get out of the armor. Right. It completely sealed every joint of the power armor and burned their bodies into ash. But it sealed it in this weird psychic way. So their soul, the dead.

soul of their body could not escape either. It's stuck inside the armor with the ash of their body. Yeah. So it's not just like, oh, their corporeal form is like, it's also like the soul, because souls are real in 40K, is trapped in there. They can't get to the warp. Can't do anything like that. You are stuck in your power armor forever.

Forever. Forever. Forever. It's cool armor though Like if you gotta be stuck in a suit of armor For you know All of eternity This is dope armor

I mean It's not dope to paint Oh Anyway You need dope to paint it But this happened to About 90% of the Legion The massive majority of the one

Were zapped and turned into dust But Those along with Aramon as doing the rubric of Aramon, those of very high sorceress power were zapped, but not disintegrated, but instead had their powers greatly enhanced. Right, the sorcerers.

The exalted sorcerers had their powers massively buffed up instead. And so... The disco writers. The disc... Oh, the ones on the discs, right? Yep. The Disco Ramin included.

Yep. Harmon's got the big disc. Now, unfortunately, you know, Magnus didn't actually really like this a whole lot. I bet. He got to feel every single one of these bolts of change on his, like, body and soul. And so it was, he wasn't able to stop this at the time because it kind of like disabled him in a way with the overwhelming amount of psychic sensation. Ouch. Geez, that's got to suck when you feel 95% of the sons that you love so much.

And he felt all of their just psychic anguish. Classic magnet. I mean, you know, Sanguinius had the effect on his sons, you know, when he died. Oh, yeah, he got reverse Sanguineas. It was a little bit of, yeah, his son's suffering was imprinted on him as opposed to the opposite. Ouch. But eventually, our. like couldn't stop it.

And so once, Magnus was able to get his senses, he was kind of able to wrestle away the control of the, of the rubric itself. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, shy, shy is correct.

They're kind of like, they're kind of reverse necrond. Because the, from now, after this is done, right, after the rubric Marine, or the rubric of Aramon has been completed. Aramon at the time was like

massive success. I see this as a massive success Because he's like, I've done it I have made it so that the flesh change Is completely eradicated They are protected and safe In their armor And the loss of their physical bodies

Is a totally fine price to pay Oh wow, I didn't realize that Arieman thought He had been like a complete success Like was he coping? Was this like Or did he actually believe it? At the time, he totally believed it. Oh, man. How can you see...

How do you see this as a victim? You have... Like, have you cured the flesh change? Technically, sure. But, like, I don't know how you see this as a win. I think you might rather just be looking for a different way to study the flesh change because you have damned your whole chapter except for the sorcerers. Listen, it's...

It's... It's not a win. That's not the win you think it is. Listen, if I, D.K., if you had back pain and then I shot you in the leg, you would not be feeling much more back pain. That's true, I'd be feeling a lot of leg pain. Mm-hmm. That is, you want me to give you something for all that pain? Yeah.

It's like, uh, was that major pain? I think it was major pain in that movie. It's, it's like the anti-joke. A guy's in a horrible accident. He wakes up in the doctor's office. Doctor, I can't feel my legs. And the doctor's like, I know. I amputated your arms.

I've never heard that before that's really funny I think it was a old like game grums episode or something that one always kind of stuck with me because it's like wow yeah that's a that's a yep that's an anti joke all right that's funny kind of the same idea where it's like

I can't feel my legs yeah because you don't have to worry about the arm thing that's so funny all right I've never heard them before I'm going to steal that one and use it later you can't steal it But you can gaffed it if you want. Ooh, we're bringing it back. Ah, see?

Not bad. Not bad. So, Dean came. So, off a cliff. So, Aramon at the moment, yeah, seems to believe that he did, you know, a pretty good job with this. He stopped the flesh change. They're still around. They just, you know, they lost a physical body.

But who cares about a physical body when it comes to the whims of the lords of change? You know? Yeah. I'm sure Zines thought it was hilarious. Yeah, so Aramon, not Armin, Magnus was, can you guess how he felt? Pissed. He was a bad.

He was mad. He was not Magnus anymore. He was Madness. Right? All right. That was shit, minus two. Oh, that was a plus 80. Get out of here.

Yeah, yeah, minus two. Honest to God. Honest to God. So Magnus being as pissed off as he was, went to go, you know, to put it in technical terms, beat the shit out of him. But unfortunately for him, Zinch had different plans. Oh, was Zinch so happy with the chaos that he was like, no, you're not touching my boy. I like this guy.

Don't, don't do anything to him. Yeah, Magnus, like, stared down at Aramon, Ray to just absolutely blow him the bits. And Aramon, you know what? I'll give him a little gigacab moment here. He just said I succeeded where you failed, Magnus. So I'm like, all right, all right. But yeah, before he was about to kill Aramon, Zinche decided to intercede a little bit. And he said specifically, Magnus, would you smash my pawns so readily?

So Zinch did not much like to have Aramon killed in this situation. Probably because Armin, much like Karin the Betrayer is going to be one of the gods. famed and favorite. So instead, he went ahead and exiled Aramon along with his cabal. He said, you know, he basically told him the fuck off and avoid causing any, like, issues and future plans. I got to be honest. Like, that is being able to stare down Magnus, big as he is, intimidating as he is, and just

be like, I succeeded where you failed. is like, there's got to be a level above Gigacad, because that's crazy. It's like ironic Gigacad, though. A little bit, because he really did fail miserably and only ended up really. The only success was him buffing himself and his cabal, right? Like, that's the only thing that really succeeded there. Well, he stopped the flesh change, I guess. Yeah, but you kind of made it like a million times worse.

It depends on your definition of worse. Aramon is a person that we can have a dedicated episode for because Aramon... Oh, for sure. I think he has like a whole trilogy over him or at least like a couple books and like... Yeah, I know he has at least one. Yeah, same thing with like Dante. Like, Dante has a whole bunch of books and things. I'm also kind of curious.

Like, so if Magnus had been the one with the rubric at the time and he was doing this spell, would he have been able to like, because obviously superior psychers, superior Sorcercer, would he have actually been able to maybe, like, do it better and maybe actually get rid of the flesh change? I don't think the point of the spell is to make it any better. I think they succeeded in the point of the spell. Oh, so that was always the point of the spell was to, like, grind your body to dust, but your soul is protected forever.

That was the point? I think you're looking at it a little too, too literally when it comes to Zee-Chi. in sorcery? It is the spell to fix the flesh change. What that entailed? What happened? What happened?

Oh, they didn't know what the spell was going to do? Well, they did, but you're not, yeah, it's a monkey paw. You know, you're thinking too literally with this whole thing. It's like, all right. Sorry. Well, see, I thought there was, I thought the rubric was like a book and they were like, oh, yes, yes, yes. So, once

I do this, once I do this, it will do, okay, got you. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Zinch stuff, monkey paw? Okay, gotcha. Sorry. It's the rubric of Armin is a, the rubric is a spell, and it was in the book of Magnus, and they did the spell to reverse the flesh change. It was a monkey paw situation for the most part.

But at the same time, like, it's, you know, you can never know, because one, it's Zinch and two, I don't know, like at some point they might be doing it, and then Zingch is like, you know what, let's make them all goats. Yeah, like, they're, because he thinks it's funny. They're literally on a world that Zinch made. in the warp. Like Shai said, Zinj probably meddled in the whole thing, regardless of how it was supposed to end up. He probably thought it'd be funny if he just was like, bloop, ah, monkey paw, yeah. Yeah, he just did it, you know? He just did it. That is a very Zinchean thing to do, sure.

So, anywho, now that this has happened, uh, yeah, Aramon, you know, not to, not to spend too much time on Aramon, because I'm sure at some point at a whole get an episode, uh, is banished out, uh, exiled. And for the most part, his opinions have changed from the original thought process. Now he's kind of like, oh, whoops. Maybe I did a whoopsie. Right now, Aramon, you know, his main goal is to get inside the black library. So he's constantly finding himself have issues against the Harlequins.

I'm assuming, I know for the most part, most exalted sorcerers of the Thousand Sun's main goal is to become a demon prince. is to pull away all of their corporeal form and become immortal. Pretty classic sorcerer stuff, right? Sure, sure. Aramon himself is definitely trying to get into the Black Library because it's supposed to be the repository of all knowledge, most likely to, one, make himself insanely powerful and two, possibly reverse the rubric.

Yeah, I was going to say, if his opinion has changed, surely he's looking for some way to like, I should probably restore those guys that I turned to dust because that was kind of a whoops, my bad. Yeah, that sounds. A whoopsy poopsie, as they say. Yeah, he did a little bit of the old fucky-wucky, as the kids say. They do. The kids do say that, yes.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Indeed. So that's where Aramins off doing his own thing. As for what it is as a rubric Marine. So a rubric, so it's interesting. So, right, not all of the Thousand Suns are dust. The regular Rubric Marines are dust.

But especially if you look at your miniatures, the sergeant, the leader of a squad of Rubik Marines, as well as the Terminators, the Scarab occult Terminators, they're both led by an exalted sorcerer. Because a sorcerer still has their flesh, and they are the ones who lead the cast of Rubic Marines, a la Necroni style. Makes sense. They're the most powerful. They still have their bodies. They still have their senses. Well, actually, how much sense does a rubric Marine have? Like, their soul is still in there, but, like, are they aware, or do they just become sort of, like, robotish, I want to say?

Where they're, like, just kind of, like, drones, or, like, how, how do they act now? So Rubik Marines are Rubik Marines are often referred to as soulless automata, which is ironic because they're not soulless. They are literally soul-filled. Yes. They are often considered to be like just total soulless automata when they move around and how they operate.

Not quite the case sometimes. I think this is also one of those ones where it depends on the writer the writer is rather is rather you know it depends on them but for the most part if they are on their own not being commanded by a sorcerer they basically just stand in place they're literally immovable statues

of power armor yeah once once you said they were all moving around like a la necrons I was like oh wait a minute like I guess they wouldn't be that aware because everything that happened with turning them to dust would probably have some negative effects on you. Yeah, that sucks. That sucks.

So they're just like little robo commandos for the sorcery to pawn with. When they're not being commanded. When they're not being commanded, they are just static statues of nothingness. But when they are commanded, they kind of regain a level of consciousness. There's actually an excerpt in the book, All Is Dust, that's. pretty cool. And it's an excerpt on a

Rubric Marine perceiving the world. So, oh, that is cool. It says here, this is the excerpt. It goes, only dust remains, dust and emptiness. I do not know what I am. I had a name, but it is gone. I am nothing. I am locked in darkness,

tumbling without end through broken memories. I have a shape. Whoa. It is the shape like that of a man, but I am a hollow. I am just the outline. I have hands but cannot touch. I have no mouth, but I have been screaming since I began my fall. I want to breathe, but I cannot.

I cannot remember what it is to breathe, only what it is to drown in an abyss to sink without hitting the bottom. I had a name once, but it is an echo, fading but ever vanishing, never vanishing, forever beyond hearing. Memories swirl in the darkness within my skin rattling like sand. against bronze. I watch the gray warrior burn become ash, become dust. I know this should mean something, but in my memory, there is only the emptiness that drowns all else. I am an outline held in a dream of falling, and this moment means nothing. Whoa. Whoa. It's very much like twice dead king kind of like. I was about to say that's like I have no mouth, but I must scream, right? I was That's so Necron.

It's very panic-attacky, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Who wrote that? That's such a good excerpt. It is by John French, the book All Is Dust. It's a short story. It's part of the Aramon. Oh, it's part of the Aramon Obnibus, yeah.

That's such a good. It's very, very good. Oh, my God. That's so, and it ties in all the dust, like sand against bronze. Oh, that is, that's a good. Good line. You put that at the front of your resume because that's a hit. Woo! Yeah, and it's interesting because they talk, because the character's name is Edodorus.

And so they'll hear someone say, Helio Isidorus, the dream voice says once again. And then they're like, oh, I know that name. It's my name. I can see the world is moving in fire and the roar of sounds. I'm standing on a plane of fire and melting snow. You know, besides me as a figure. He wears armor the blue of the desert sky, and his helm rises into a high crest of lapis and gold. Silk robes flutter around him, though there is no wind.

Golden light glows from him, filling my eyes. He is more real than anything else I can see. It is his voice that called me from my sleep. I know this, but do not know why. He turns and points. I step forwards. So basically, it's like, Like an out-of-body experience.

I'm literally just a statue of nothingness. And then when I'm called upon, I'm back. But it's like a never-ending panic attack of what my old self used to be. But I'm also in war. So now I'm going to move and fight and shoot. And then once he's done talking to me, I go back to a dormant state. So they're not quite necrons where they're genuinely like just soulless robot machines, like the warrior cast, like the citizens. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But they're not quite nobles either. Yeah, oh, man, it kind of sucks to be a Rubrik Marine donut. Like, I knew it sucked. But, man. Oh, Shai has a thing. Ooh, yes, pretty sure. Here's the small thing about Rubik.

Remember Yvrain, who resurrected Robot Gurley Man. She was once trapped in Zinch Warp Zone, and she called out to Ariman, saying she had what he was seeking. She used her God of Eldar, death power. to restore a dozen rubric marines to their former selves. Shocked, Aramon agreed to return Yovrain to real world. Oh. Which makes a lot of sense, because, you know,

Yvrain has the whole, like, through death, we were reborn. Mm-hmm. So there is a way out there to revert it, but you need, like, an Eldar god of death. Oh, well, you know, it's how Gileman came back, you know? Oh, that's true. He did. He did.

He did, he did. Gilliman came back. Yeah, because Giliman came back because Gilman was, you know, it was through the, through death and they have their souls and then they are reborn through the whole thing, which makes sense why the Thousand Suns might like have to use that as an option. But you're going to go listen to the Eldar bitch. No way. I thought robot girly man got revived because he had a hot Eldar wifu that he just couldn't leave. He realized life without Poon And he was like, no, bring me back

Br me back Worse than heresy It was a great to call He realized life without Eldar Poon What the fuck I'm sorry I didn't know what else to say Y'all he need that Eldar Taco Brother

Oh God Shottie should let me hit it That gash sound like Sam and Row Oh. Anyway, this show you nothing to me, ma'am. So, anywho, when it comes to the actual organization of the rubric Marines, that is how it goes.

And you see this on the tabletop. You have the aspiring sorcerer as the main, yeah, right, it's an aspiring sorcerer is the main sergeant of the unit. And then you have their rubric Marines under their command. And in the, game currently, if you would like to use special characters and leaders, you

can have exalted sorcerers and things like that that you attach to the unit and they lead them. Yeah. I think I have an exalted sorcerer, but I am too scared to paint him. I mean, he looks cool. He does. He's got a little disco thing and yeah.

Then you have like, then you have Armin himself, you know? Also too scared to paint. Yeah. Are you going to paint him with the disc or not? You have to. You have to. You don't have to. But I'm too scared to paint him.

I mean, he's, he's cheaper to run on the, on the battlefield if he, he don't have him on disc. Really? Yeah. The disc makes him cheaper? No,

no, the way around. Oh, oh, oh, okay. It makes him, it makes him go fast. Yeah,

well, as well, it should. He is, he is, he is, you know, disco inferno. Especially a little fire,

too, you know, because there's all the fire around him's a disco inferno. Burn, baby burn. Yeah. Berm, um,

so that is also, how it goes with the Scarebicult Terminators as well. They also have a fancy, you know, aspiring sorcerer as their main person. And then the rest are all dust. But this has led the Thousand Suns to be in a bit of a weird spot when it comes to the overarching lore and a world of Warhammer. Right, like, right now in the current day and age, it's pretty darn hard to replenish the numbers of the thousand sons. Yeah.

Like they might... You really can't much. Your gene stock is very limited, if not outright, unusable. And then, you know, like, you might bring in some new folks for like new sorcerers, other psychers, sometimes maybe from like different other chaos marine factions and bring them in to kind of do stuff. But you can't really make new rubrics. And you don't really want to because the rubric is.

now like, well, that failed, and I shouldn't have done that, and I should probably reverse it. So why would you want to even make more rubrics? I mean, thankfully, they are essentially immortal. So you probably very rarely need quote unquote new rubric Marines. But yeah, you probably don't want to make new ones, do you? Well, it's weird because, like, I don't really know how they would even make new ones. I know when I was looking up, like, when I was looking up a thousand sons recruitment, specifically for this.

A lot of it was, okay, when a thousand sun, okay, well, one, a Rubic Marine is very hard to kill. Yeah, I was about to ask how you do it, actually. A space Marine is hard to kill in general. It's just naturally,

but rubrics, like, in the game, they have, they have, like, a special inval save that Marines normally don't get because it's weird zinged sorcery and, like, their armor will just reform and all that kind of jazz. Yeah, pseudo immortal, yeah.

Right. But, in, order very often if they end in them do die, sometimes the sorcerers kind of like can take the soul and then later on like try to resurrect the Marine back up. Kind of build them back up, you know, cast mend or whatever. But, you know, it doesn't always work because sometimes you kill the sorcerer in battle and then things are really rough. Yeah. I would imagine that's the real hard one to replenish and the one you want to replenish is if a, if like, an exalted sorcerer dies, that's a problem. Because then it's like, well, nobody's giving the rubrics orders anymore, and well, that whole platoon is just going to become

statues. I mean, so for example, the exalted sorcerer in game has the ability rebind rubricay, which is every command phase, you can rebuild one of your guys from death. You can revive one. That's kind of good. Yeah,

it's somewhat good. It depends on how if the game is like really killy, they might just like kill your whole squad and it's like, well, there's something to revive anymore. Yeah. But it's one of the ways you're able to use that kind of thing. You're able to just build them up. So, like, yeah, you can rebuild them in that way. But, you know, sometimes, like, a losing or a lost battle for the Thousand Suns is really bad.

It's a very rough time because you need, as, there's not many thousand sons out there. Shai, would you say they're, like, the least prominent of all the Trader Legions? It's about a thousand of them, I'd say. There's more than a thousand of them. There's like 10,000 of them. There's like a thousand. There's thousands of the sons. No, there's actually like 9,000.

I think they were all split into various thousands groups and then one of them got killed entirely. So it's like 9,000 total now. It's something around there. There's like nine. It's all fancy words and difficult words and big words and words.

So do, um... I can't think of a traitor legion that has fewer numbers than the, than the thousand sons. Like, are they, currently working with Abbey at all and the Black Legion and all their stuff, or are they just kind of off on their own just being like, look, we can't afford to be in big battles because we can't replenish our numbers or, because I don't remember seeing much about them in any of the Abbey stuff. I know we've seen a little of Magnus post-heresy, I think, but like, what are they

So the most part, Thousand Sons are much like Zinch BS. They kind of do their own thing. Thousand Sons are very much in their own worlds. We talked about in red, of course, like the Nightlord books. They have all of their own various war bands that are kind of off doing their own thing. The Thousand Sons also have various war bands off doing their own thing. but the difference between them and like, say,

the night lords where they basically just are there to survive and murder people for fun, the Thousand Sons are always some kind of scheming. They've got some plan, some kind of thing. Maybe they assassinate someone or they cause a world to heal, whatever the reasoning might be. There's something that they're out there doing. And it's normally in the shadows or just,

they're not like, They're no world eaters, you know. They're not just going out there and front and center murder, you know? Right. They're in the shadows. They're doing the Zincheon thing. We're plotting. We've got, do I look like a man with a plan?

But so they're just off doing their own thing. They don't really care about Abidon. They don't care about the Black Crusades. They don't care about the Eye of Terror. They don't care about the Sychatrix maladictum. They're just doing weird Zincian schemes. but kind of No, no, no, no necessarily.

It's like, or Abidon has tons of Rubic Marine, or tons of a thousand sons like that help him out because Abidon is the leader of like chaos right now. He's the guy. Okay. But Thousand Sons definitely have their own agendas and schemes that they all go do. And their war bands often work from the shadows.

They make a lot of use of more traditional troops and stuff. They, they have like, in a chaos imperial army basically. You know, like, I mean, every chaos faction has like that kind of thing.

They have cultists and stuff, but 1000 sun's cultists are, even though they're weird in things, they're maybe utilized a bit more because they need to, they, well, they need to. They don't have a ton of numbers.

And replenishing the numbers are particularly hard. Yeah. As we discussed, yeah. As we discussed. You know, they're not world eaters. They're not just like running in,

go to town. They're very, they're very methodical. they're very careful, they're very schemy, very zincheian. They have to be, right? They have to be. And so all of these various cults and other war bands are out doing, God knows what, I mean, I mean, pick something, right?

Yeah, could be anything. It's zinchian stuff. Like, who knows? And, you know, Zin, do you, oh, you know, there's a question. DK, do you know the number of zinch? you know I genuinely don't think I do immediately the number 13

comes to mind I'm not really sure why it's not 13 oh it's gotta be some number of change something yeah I don't know it's nine 12 and a half

oh so close it's not not even I'm so close man the okay what's the number what's the blessed number of Nergel that's seven What's the number of corn?

Oh yeah, it is seven. Uh, eight? What's the number of Slanesh? Don't remember. Seven? You just said seven. Oh, I meant six. Oh, my God.

What's the number of Nurgle? Seven, correct. What's the number of Slanesh? Seven. Zeinch got me, okay? Zinch is nine. Zinch was like in my brain. You know, you be, you know, geez.

Listen, the number, the number of Slanesh is six. And what is a six upside down? It's a nine. 69, exactly. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, I had a moment where it was like, DK, when you're, when, when the Q-tip goes in your head, you need to stop when you feel resistance, you know, just. I know right now, Shai is absolutely putting the picture on screen of you with like, like, licking your face with like the, the drawing. Yeah, probably.

but I'm okay with that because that's actually really good art. It's really good arts. Do I look stupid? Sure. It's also really good art though. And so I don't terribly mind. It's really good art. Anyway. Anyway, so there are nine

cults of the Thousand Suns also specifically, which is really helpful for determining what kind of like there are various cults like what they try to go for in their random schemes. Like, for example, the cult of change. They are against order

They're the unravelers They launch their armies Where reason exists They like to make things into anarchy That makes sense There's like the cult of magic It is pure sorcery They go

What? No Shut up, shut up Let's shut up Shut up Shut up That cult of magic is about sorcery My father

Eat poop Oh my mind is blown Go on There they go to secure arcane objects and various other artifacts that are useful for using spells. There's the cult of manipulation, which is all about influence. Mr. Electric kill this man. Cult of scheming, cult of time, cult of prophecy, cult of mutation, cult of knowledge, and the cult of duplicity. Lots of, lots of various Zincian cults, and they go off to do whatever they like.

again, most sorcerers and goal is to become a demon prince. Because becoming immortal. Become immortal. And do something so powerful that your patron saint, God will love you forever. It's crazy. It's a little

ironic that their goal is to become like a demon prince because the whole point of like the rubric thing was like, oh, did get rid of the flesh change. Oh, becoming a chaos spawn is bad. Oh, we want to keep our human forms. And it's like, you know what?

Demon Prince. Yeah. Ascend me, Chaos Daddy. I find that a little... Ascend me Chaos Daddy. Holy, dude. I mean, that's what they're doing. Holy.

What? It's what they're doing. The botchery occurring here. But it's a little ironic that they're like so against the... Well, I guess it's different. It's Chaos Spawn, like we said, mindless. just of flesh. Demon Prince, you've ascended

to a higher form, you keep all your you know, all your senses and you become uber powerful immortal. So I guess it's, I guess it's not as ironic as I thought. Sure. But anyhow, so, you know, the various cults of the Thousand Suns making their way out throughout the galaxy,

they also make use of the Imperial Army, as I said, but also they use a lot of something known as the Zangor's, also known as the model GW desperately wants you to buy. Oh, is that the little bird dudes? Little bird dudes. Yep, they're basically just, they're beastmen, basically, but they're Zichy and beastmen.

Yeah. You know, I was genuinely, when you were talking about, like, the lightning that was hitting all of the Rubric Marines and it was sealing up the armor, and you were like, oh, yeah, not every thousand sun became what I was like, oh, Did like some of the lightning? Was it like some Zinchean lightning? And the lesser powerful ones maybe became those beastmen. And they got reformed into just like these wow guys.

I was like, that'd be such a cool way to introduce these guys that everybody's using. But then you never went there. And I was like, oh, they're just boring beastmen, aren't they? Yeah, they're just boring beastmen. They, GW put so many of these in their damn combat patrols. They desperately want you to play Zangor's. But they're honest, but maybe if they made their rules better, people would, but they don't. So they, so no one does.

Yeah, I remember when I was buying my first space marine stuff, I was looking at the start collecting box for the 1,000 suns. And I was like, what is with all these like blue dudes? Like, what's, I just want, I just want, I just want the 1,000 sons. What is what is, what are these blue things? What is blue birds? horned people. I don't want these. I want the cool rubrics. Yeah. So. And, and yet. And yet. Here we are. And, and yet. Now, they're, they're just basically beastmen that serve.

They've got a little bit of like better in, in, intellect, excuse me. And they, but they serve out the thousand sun sorcerers. I would be remiss to not talk about this. Thousand Sun Hell Brutes Ah, the Hell Brutes, let's go! The Hell Brutes are so cool! Right. So, all right, you know, okay. You know how, like, you know, you know the Breaking Bad meme of Hank Schrader?

It's like the big smiley face and then there's like the angry face? Yeah. Okay, this is based like, Chaos Hellbrutes. thousand sons, hell brutes. Oh. So, okay, hell brutes are basically just the contorted version of a chaos dreadnought. Granted chaos factions do often carry old school dreadnots, classic contemptor and Leviathan dreadnots and the like.

But these are dreadnots that have spent a lot of time in the eye of terror or something and succumb to change. Sure. Some fleshy stuff, you know. If you play chaos, you have to buy this hellbrot because they took away all of our other dreadnought options because games workshop is good at deep throating their own fucking foot. Which is, yeah. Mel is having a very negative effect on you. Project Melty, if you're listening to this episode, as we talked about yesterday, put the foot away, all right?

Eat real food. But it's an isoscelia. Anya, go ahead, go ahead. Helbrids. Helbrids. So, Helbrutes. So normally, like, obviously on the imperial side, hellbrutes are a relic.

They're honored. They're important. Everyone loves them. Hellbrutes and the thousand sons are hated. The thousand sons themselves hate their own hellbrutes. Because... Yeah, I was going to ask, how exactly does that work with a thousand sons becoming dust?

Ah, correct. So, uh, the hellbrute is, in fact, an implement of eternal torture in the 1000s. His entire psychic point is to transform the inhabitant into an unquestionable, unquenchable,

eternal level of rage and torment. Oh boy. They are entirely functional by the genuine hatred of the occupant. And the only thing

that might provide them any kind of solace is to murder those that are against the sorcerer commanding them. But, as I'm sure you know, the Rubric Marines do not have a body and therefore cannot necessarily serve in a hellbrute. Yeah, so how? So, because they cannot serve in a hellbrut, the Thousand Suns will often go out. to other Chaos Marine Legions and trick other individuals, other psychers, into joining their cabal and promising them to teach them in the ways of psychic power and of various other sorcerer craft.

They will then take them through all the rituals that go through the classic case of becoming a sorcerer, but are actually instead teaching them the important of, early steps to make sure they can connect to a hellbrute properly. They will then psychically bind the person once they connect the neurons to the hellbrute and then flends their body with warp flame into a pulped mass of organs, bones, and tissue. Then the sorcerer will tether them to the angry hellbrutes engines, keeping them conscious the whole time, placing them in a trapped amniotic sense. and inserting them into the hell route. They will then suffer agony without end, only possibly quenchable by murdering the enemies of the sorcerer,

but in a very much angron way. When doing so, they may only feel the tiniest bit of bliss and then go straight back to never-ending agony. Oh, wow. When they have finished their battle, they will be removed from the sack and hung in like the basements of the Thousand Suns area

with wards, casted wards on them, with little demons prancing around underneath them, clawing at them to only ever increase their hatred. It is the most like, like, what if we can make it edgier? What if we could create a dreadnought that is entirely based on suffering? Yeah. And we lure others to become one. It is the complete,

polar opposite of an imperial dreadnought. You could not be more night and day if you tried. Because at first I was like, why the hell would a thap... Even if a thousand sun could ride one of those. It's like, why would you? Like, look how mutated it is. That's the whole point of becoming dust is so that you don't flesh change into something that looks like that.

But, oh, that's so messed up. And it's such a zincian thing to do. It's the perfect. Zinch must love it when they make a new hellbrew because there's so much scheming, there's so much deception, there's so much hatred, there's so much bullshit. Zinch must gobble that shit up like it is just Thanksgiving dinner. Just, mm-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-m. Ironically, though, at the same time, it's funny that the thousand sons hate it. The thousand sons, I actually, you know what? I don't know.

because unending suffering is not that's not really a Zinch thing true I guess once like Zingh loves the making of it but I guess after that yeah maybe not yeah I don't know it's it's weird because like okay on one hand the scheming

the getting other people and tricking them the sorcery part like Zinch all down for it oh yeah slam dunk never ending suffering is like, it's kind of stagnant, which is very nergly. It's also, uh, like, uh, slanesh, too. Yeah, very slenashi too, like unending torture.

Very slenishi. So, so I don't think it's like, I don't think Zinch maybe is in love with it. I think he's in love of the practice, but maybe not so much in the end result. Um, but at the same time, I mean, if you need a big dreadnought to fight with you on the battlefield, you get what you can get, you know? Yeah. And that'll, that don't, that's, do the trick. That does not look like something

I would ever want to fight. I mean, it says you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, as I said before, they're a little low on the numbers. True, they need all of the, all of the big guns that they can get. That's true, I suppose. But they also have those big mutants of Zinche. Oh, what are they called?

They've got the really cool mini with like the big ring of like warp energy. around them or something. Oh, the mutilith vortex beast. Yes! Oh, those are such cool minis. Yes. Are we talking about them?

I mean, I was about to, yeah. Yes! So the mutilith vortex beast is wild. It is one of the coolest miniatures, I think, on the GW has made. Hell yeah. It is, I don't even think you could buy the damn thing. Really? You can't buy it anymore?

I don't know. man, it's weird because like, okay, so, so Thousand Suns, uh, right now. Yeah, temporarily out of stock. There it is. Oh, okay. So just, it's so popular. You just can't find it anywhere because everybody's bottom up. The needle with vortex beats is a weird model. Okay. So on one hand, the actual sculpt, I think is amazing. It's got the giant tentacle mall. It's got the ring of warp energy. Though at the same time, it also has older model syndrome, which is putting a lot of overhanging bits on a too small base. Ah, that's fair. It's a very, it's a very tyrannid issue as well. It's, it's very

annoying to deal with. But the mutiless vortex beast actually had a, a huge resurgence in 10th edition because in game, even right now, in game, it's pretty good. Okay, I was going to say, it's just badass. Like, I don't care about the rules. That's just a sick mini. It's decently pointed. It's pretty tough. It's got a lot of fancy, Pancy damaging abilities. It's pretty good. It's got a, the warp vortex has like three different

modes that all, like one anti-tank, one anti-elite, one anti-infantry. It's got, it's got a big like anti-horde melee attack and an anti-elite melee attack. It also is just very tanky. Does a lot of damage.

It's good. It's just, the thing about the Mule of Vortex beast though is that that's what the model is, looks like. Much like Chaos Spawn, it can be whatever the hell you feel like, man.

Since it's a chaos beast, it can be anything you want. It is just a warped, wild, whatever the goddamn hell, just projection of reality and terror that you want it to be. Normally it probably has like a vortex and some claws and like a weird tentacle mouth. But outside that, go to town, bro. Yeah, because it's a warp entity in like real space. So of course, it's going to be just whatever nightmarish creation of, of tentacles and claws and maws.

And also, I just, I love the way that mini is painted, like, with the, the grays and the purples. And then this just huge blast of color on the back is just so cool, man. I only see one games workshop official artwork of this miniature. Oh, nope, we got one more. Okay, so the only one I ever saw was this, which is, and the body. bottom left, those are people, and it's certainly eating them. That looks like Schumegorath.

I don't know if you ever play Marvel Vus Capcom. I know it's not, there's like a legend for Schumagorath or some mythology, but I've only known it from Marvel Vus Capcom, but it looks just like Schumegorath. But there's also, I believe, a Magic the Gathering card art for it, which is, which I believe is this one. So, like, those are the only two artworks that are out there for. It's a surprisingly underrepresented model. despite how freaking awesome the mini looks.

Yeah. That second one looks kind of like the mini, actually. A little closer, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for the most part, like, yeah, the Mutil of Vortex Beast, it's got the, it's not a great mini in the sense that its base is too small for all the overhanging bits and it's got all that stuff there. But then it also has the coolest freaking warp portal, maw mix, etc.

So if you just made a big custom base for it, it would be fine, right? Yeah, but you're not allowed to change bases in Warhammer because the base is where, like, you measure stuff from. Oh, oh, that sucks then. Oh, I see why you hate it then. Oh. Yeah, I didn't realize you can't change them. Oh. So, yeah, I guess if you put a big base on it, it's like, hey, hooray, but you can't use it.

Yeah, like, okay, for example, having a big base is normally pretty good because it lets you, like, especially if you're a character and you're like, oras and stuff, it can go pretty wide. For example, it's nice when characters have it. Like, here we go.

Like High Marshall Helbrecht, for example. He's got, he's like a big, like 60 millimeter base. Wow. Which is good. Yeah.

Right, which is very good because then, like, you know, you measure melee and stuff from the base. And so,

it's like, oh, I can hit more people because I've got a larger base. And I can, you know, things like that. It's all about the base.

Spider-Man. Oh. Oh, yeah, that too. That too, that too. I guess that both works. It's all about that base, about the base. But yeah, the mutilith vortex beast is just really damn cool, even though there's really not a whole lot for it. It's just here's a crazy ass beast of Zinch with a warp vortex on it.

Love it. Love it. Especially for me, because I don't play the tabletop. So for me, it's just like, hey, it was win-win. What's fascinating. The only other fascinating thing about the beast is that the entire purpose is that the entire process of creating it is very unnatural. But how it becomes built out is interesting.

Like, on one hand, sorcerers might create their own vortex beast with weird spells and things. Sometimes vortex beasts are powerful sorcerers who they think they finally achieves godhood and demon prince and then Zinj is like, he and then turns them into this. Oh, so sometimes the vortex beast is an unwilling

sorcerer and Zinche is just having a lot. laugh. And also them in the battlefield, they're basically just this reservoir of chaos energy and warp energy. For example, on the tabletop, if you are within six inches of one, you can double the range of

your psychic casting stuff. I was about to ask, so they will buff any chaos unit around them if they're just a reservoir of warp. So you want to be around, if you're chaos, you want to be around this thing as much as possible. While at the same time, they also have the mutating

Vortex rule, which is if you're around them and an enemy, you just take damage slowly. Like, you just, just by crazy warps shenanigans. Oh, man, they sound great. They're very cool. They're very good right now, too. But I know you haven't been able to buy them for God knows how long. Because they're so good. Because they're so good.

Yeah. I bet you could probably find them on eBay for way too much money. Yeah, you probably could, actually. Thousand Sons, I mean, you know, I know that this is. My biggest jealousy of the Poor Hammer podcast is their ability to consistently talk about in-game rules and have people understand them, DK. But for the tabletop stuff, just to kind of express a little bit about it in case like, oh, wow, Adeptus Ridiculous. I really think that a thousand sons are really neat. Maybe I want to get into that army.

Well, first things first, this is the worst painting you'll ever deal with. Amen. One of the few armies I painted, I hate it. Hate it. It's not even just the trim. There's lines everywhere. There's these little strips of yellow everywhere. It's not just the crown.

It's not. It's on the chest. There's little, hitty-bitty things between the arm. Gah! Go ahead. No, actually, let's do this before, because I'm about to do some tabletop stuff, but Shai wants to add a quick thing before we get into that, so hit it.

Shai wants to add more lore bits. I don't know before or after Tabletop. From what I can tell, Kisans are currently too small in number and too disorganized to do much. They mostly split into separate little wizard covens and do their own thing, mostly in pursuit of knowledge and power. Though, Magnus did return back to Real Space recently when, gee man, got resurrected from his sleep and tried to throw his brother into the warp for the memes, good man. and then tried to ride on your brain's warp wave straight to Terra, but gee man,

tricked him and opened portal to Luna instead, where poor Magnus got surrounded by Sisters of Silence again and got banished into the warp again. But after that, Kay Sons became somewhat more organized since that put a fire under Magnus's ass, and he got more involved into Legion's operations again. Nice. Wow, so he suffered the Sisters of Silence again? I mean, such as a silence are pretty good at their job. I mean, yeah, if you know Magnus is coming, like, you're going to get as many sisters of silence as you can, right? Like, that's how you fight him.

Otherwise, he's going to tear you apart. I mean, you know, how do you deal with psychers? Blanks. Yeah, true. And if you know the best psycher in the universe is coming for you, get the one thing they can't stand. That's the way. Mm-hmm. This is the way.

I'll go with that too. For the tabletop, though, a thousand times are, they're interesting. They got some neat stuff. Their rule is called cabal of sorcerers. And basically, when you run various characters and stuff on the tabletop, they have a rule that's like cabal of sorcerers, one or two or three.

And that's how many points you get at the start of each of the, or at the end of your command phase. And then you use those points. to spend on various things throughout the game. So, for example, like Aramon, or like a rubric marine, a regular-ass-rubric marim, will have the aspiring sorcer that gives you one point. The Terminator has the sorcerer that gives you one point. A Thousand's, like, Infernal Master or whatever, like a character gives you two points.

Aramon gives you three points. And Magnus gives you four points, obviously. Mm-hmm. And so you use all these things to give you a bunch of different abilities. like temporal surge, five points. After shooting, you can then move them again. Or Doombolt, big lightning blast, do some damage. Testicular Twist of Fate.

That makes it so that the enemy can't use armor saves. Sorry, what was that? Twist of Fate. No, no. Before the Twist of Fate, I heard testicular twist of fate, did you say? Doombolt? No, I... So it allows them to use these kinds of abilities

in the tabletop to like, you know, mess with stuff, cause problems. And then, you know, the issue, though, comes down to it. And one of the reasons why you really don't run a lot of Zangor's is that because Zangor's don't provide you with any cabal points because there's no psychers in there. So for the most part, a lot of Thousand Sons lists involve lots of like Terminators, rubrics, Armin and Magnus, which is perfectly fluffy. Don't get me wrong. But it also, you know,

hamstrings you into a particular build. Yeah, so you really don't want to bring Zangorz. It sounds like, because, like, it's just pointless. Well, I didn't mean that as a joke, but literally, they are pointless. They're a little pointless. And also, it's like, why would I bring a tank? Like, I don't, I don't need to bring a tank. You want as many of these, like, sorcerer points as you also, is it still, I know, like, at least back when I first got the thousand,

and sons. Everyone was like, yeah, you get Magnus because he looks cool, but you never play him on the tabletop. He's bad. You should feel bad if you use him in any sort of competitive fashion. Is he still that way? Or is he like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Magnus has returned for the most part. Yeah, okay. Magnus, Magnus hits quite hard. He has very good melee and very good shooting. you can buff him up with all of your shenanagan cabals. I don't know if he's used in the competitive list, but right now Magnus the Red is not like a bad thing to take. If you want to take Magnus in your casual game

and I think also in your competitive game, I think you're pretty fine. Good, good, good, good. Because it always made me so sad that like he's got such a cool mini. Well, mini. And it's like, oh yeah, he's bad. Don't use him. And it's like, but look at this thing.

how are you not going to play? How are you not going to? You spend so much time paying this big ass expense. You're not going to use him. Come on, brother. No, he's very fun. He needs some strategy of support.

He needs the ability to use some ability to see him alive so that no one can just like last can in him to death turn one. Don't get me wrong. But for the most part, he's pretty darn usable, I'd say. And he's a lot of fun. At least in my experience,

perhaps I've just fought some people who have really good with him. But yeah, he's sure. shoots really hard. He stabs really hard, which is a rarity because there's not a very good melee in Thousand Sons. And it's, yeah, he's a baller. Aramon, I think, is actually the must take. That's what I always heard about Thousand Sons is you take Aramon, you don't take Magnus. Now it seems like it's still definitely take Aramon, but I'm just, I'm glad to see Magnus got some love.

Me too. Aramon is good. Don't get me wrong. Armin's good. but Magnus is, it is nice to see the big boy get some love, you know? Hell yeah. It shouldn't just be... Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, so he's really bad. Oh, my God, what is that? Do you have the old Mortarian mini, uh, shy?

Oh, boy. And that's the professionally, well, that was back in like, what, 1982? That mini probably came before I was alive. Me too. Yeah. Probably. Well, I doubt it was in the 80. It may have been in the early 90s.

I don't quite much. It's not important. Early 90s, I might have been. It's also very small. Well, yeah, because the old, old ones were like really tiny, weren't they? Yeah, this was, it was a different time, you know. It was like half the size of an imperial guard, right? The game has evolved in the last 30 years. Yeah, yeah.

It's been quite the time. Also, it's canon in one of the books he has asked what's his, what's his favorite form? And he says the Cyclops one. We do love a good Cyclops boy. in this house. I mean, he's a cyclops ever since he got his eye removed. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, there's Mortarian. Yeah, you mean just the Grim Reaper? I was going to say, actually the Grim Reaper. You mean just the Grim Reaper? Literally just a Grim Reaper rip off completely and totally. Yeah, got it.

Cool. It looks like he might have some demon wings, but yeah, he's literally just the Grim Reaper. Much better glow up with the way he is now. Mortarian, Minnie, also so good. Well, I guess,

every primark mini is going to be good. There has not been a primark mini that's been bad so far. Even Bobby G's got his use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ultra depression. And ultra depression. Anyway, uh, Thousand Suns,

uh, viewers, if you are interested in buying Thousand Suns, maybe buy a pack of like Rubric Marines only and just kind of like, see how that does for you. Um, just, just kind of see how it goes because for the most part,

there's a lot of, there's a lot of painting to be done there. as a lot of trim. I will say, once you get the hang of it, it flows a lot easier, but it's definitely a little bit of a learning curve. But after a while, you kind of get used to it. You kind of learn to, like, brace your hand as you're going in for those edd-bd spaces. And you also learn, like, hey, if I have him holding his gun in front of him, I don't have to paint his stupid chest pieces. So, you know.

Well, that's also true. Yeah. It's a, it's a, they're a fun, they're a fun faction. The Thousand Suns have a very neat dynamic. They're, they're very different than the average trader marine, arguably the most different. Um, yeah, you know, there's obviously like the death guard and stuff and the noise marines are pretty crazy, but them being this kind of soulless automaton thing off going in weird zing change, flesh change stuff is, it's a, it's a vibe. It's a very, it's a quite the vibe. Yeah. Yeah. The Egyptian. vibe is also so cool. That's why I picked them as the first faction that I wanted to paint, because they look so different, so

unique from just like, even every other, like we said, every other chaos space marine thing, it's just, it's so different, and it's like gold, and it's Egyptian, and I love it. Yeah, they're probably the ones that actually, yeah, are probably the least insane. Well,

it depends on your definition of insane. I'm quite sure if I can say that the that the faction of Zine, corrupted is the least insane, but they're certainly like, I don't know how you say, they're a little bit less like jabbering, like just maniacal chaos people, right? For being zinch, they are surprisingly normal looking. Like with zinch, you would expect a lot of like eyeballs and tentacles and twirly durlies and

stuff and they are shockingly normal looking. But with a little flourish. Except for the fact that they are, you know, dust. Well, yeah, the specifics do make them very odd, but just on appearances. On appearances. They're just cool space marines. I would agree. They're pretty neat.

Yeah. Hell yeah, brother. Well, viewers, thank you very much for watching this episode of Thousand Sons. Next week, we are getting Kiryathon for whatever fun ideas he has in mind. It's going to be so fun, whatever it is. Whatever it is, always some of the best episodes. It shall be great stuff. So big thumbs up.

Thank you all very much for watching. And we're going to end this episode normally. Have a good one. What the fuck? Wait. That's it. All right.