Adeptus Ridiculous - WARHAMMERISH MOVIES BOOKS & GAMES (Who ripped who off?) | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

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Yeah, we usually do Yeah, it's normal Uh, uh, um, sorry Who's the man in the walls? Am I still in the wall? Do I not have my own little like doorway now? Just a little trap-oh, okay You have like, you're up on a wall

That has like a frame around it And we hit a buzzer on the frame And then you pop out You've got a dedicated spot now. No, no, no, no, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, show me how it's done, bricky. Oh, don't worry. I'm an expert. Uh, have you seen those memes recently of like, the foyer thing above the front door where there's just like nothing there? Like, what do you put up there? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay, good. Because I'm like, we're, I mean, he is, oh, I almost epic embed failed myself.

thank, oh, thank goodness. That was close. You know, I'm looking at Kiryath here, much like his countryman. I'm sure, I'm sure he's a huge Harry Potter fan. And so I just think we just stick him, we just stick him in the under the stairs nook. So he's like,

Oh, he lives under the stairs now. Okay. Yeah. I'd be okay with that, actually. That looks quite comfy. If it's that specific one. Yeah, that one that you posted doesn't look that awful. That looks kind of cozy.

Okay, hold on. I found a better one for him. There we are. Still kind of cozy, even though it's made for a dog. That's kind of a cozy looking spot to just chill. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. I realize I'm opening myself up to...

You could do a lot worse than that. I mean, definitely. Have you seen the rental market in this country? That's like, that is a lot among that. It's so nicely presented. I'm going to open myself up to, potentially a lot of ridicule here because I'm assuming that you won't have heard of Wallace and Grommet. Oh, I know.

Oh, no. Wallace and Gromit was popular enough in the States. Okay, awesome. I kind of envisioned it being a thing of when it's my turn to host, Bricky pushes a button, and I fall out of a hatch in the ceiling and get dressed on the way down. Ah, yes. The trousers are over and the machine puts the top on. I just kind of, I was envisioning that.

I like that one better actually Let's go with that one For sure Cheese Grummet I'm so glad that made it Hopefully around the world Wallace and Gromit is amazing It's the best

I was actually shocked Because I remembered little bits Of Wallace and Gromit And so I actually rewatched all of it Like maybe three to four years ago And I didn't realize all of it Was basically four episodes You know

Like it was very At the time it's like very small It's like I watched a shitload of Mr. Bean when I was at Kim, and I didn't realize Mr. Bean was like one season. It's like 15 episodes, and that's it. Yep, yeah. A lot of the time, we just do, we just like do four to six,

and then we never touch it again. That's it. Finished. Wow. It's done. All of this sounds like very popular media, you know, like popular TV shows and movies or something, carry off.

What a segue? What? an amazing... Well, thank you. I had no idea what was going on today, so I just shot in the dark, you know what I mean?

Can you tell GW to maybe do only one, one to six episodes on Horace Haurus heresies? Because I'm not going to read all of that. There's too much. I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that, man.

There's like over 20 books, right? There's like 50. 50? 50! It's so much. It's so... Originally, they're only going to do a few, and then it just ballooned and went extremely out of control. The end of the death is literally like the Siege of Terra, basically.

And it's like three books. Anyway, I'm sorry. The final arc is like 13 books, and it's for one fight. It's... All right. Anyway, Giriath, what's up? We're going to jump in with a quote, as we normally do. And this one, I think, I think this is possibly the shortest quote.

that you'll have had just blanket statement. I'm struggling to think of a time where a quote could have been longer than this. So, are you ready for the quote? Yes. Hit us with your best shot. Fire away. We're leaving. I love that quote.

It's my favorite. It's so good. It's so good. Let's watch Lawrence Fishburn, right? Yeah. Watch Lawrence Fishburn just like watch this horrible. terrible chaos-fueled ship, slam the table, turn it off and be like, we're leaving. We're out.

Just so deadpan, it's great. Yeah. The exact reaction everyone would have is just, we are... It's so relatable and it's the most, it is the most like, I think the most realistic reaction of any character in any horror film ever. Just the immediate decision, we're leaving and then as there's... talking about leaving and the discussion comes up of well you can't leave this is my ship we're supposed to examine it not just are we leaving we're going to launch tack missiles at it until we are

completely satisfied that it's been destroyed so not just we're getting out of here we're also going to obliterate it at the same time absolute what a legend of a captain it's so good Agreed. It's such a good because he just kind of like begrudgingly deals with what's Sam Sam Sam Neal? No. Yeah, Sam Neal.

Sam Neal. Yeah, the Jurassic Park guy. Yeah, yeah. He just kind of begrudgingly deals with his scientific stuff for the most part, the entire movie until then where he's like, I don't give a shit. Like my mind is made up which is good because for the most part

Event Horizon is it's not filled with the best character decisions of a movie Yeah, probably not There's some There's some questionable stuff going on It's true I try and put that down to just

The overall weird chaotic atmosphere of the ship And thinking about it We should probably clarify That's what we're going to talk about today Is films that are 40K But not 40K Or are in some cases

Very heavily related to 40K and in fact have kind of contributed to that universe in some, I was going to say small but in a couple of cases very, very big ways so we've got things like Event Horizon, we've got

Starship Troopers, Dread, there's also June which has to be mentioned, although technically the film either the 1984 one or the or June Part 1, the more recent one. Or June part 2 that came out yesterday.

Or like just recently. That comes out March 1st. My sister saw it yesterday night. Oh. Oh, she lives in Los Angeles. I think she got an early screening. Oh, yeah, she did. Oh, okay.

Yeah, she did. I remember seeing promos that were like 301. She says it's very, very good. Nice. She liked it a lot. Which is good. I remember I enjoyed part one when I first watched it, and I tried rewatching it.

and I cannot get through it without falling asleep now. So that's because you're zoomer-brained. Me? No, I'm kidding. Of all people, me? I actually, not to derail us too soon, but this is what Curious episodes normally are anyway. That's fair, pretty much.

Doom part one, I actually liked a lot too, because I am a huge, Denis Villainue, whatever, Simp. I love all of his films. Such a Sim can't even say his name. He's like French Canadian I don't know I gave up I love like all of his films

I don't think there's a single movie of his I dislike I watch the Jake Jalenhall Spider Enemy One arrival fucking prisoners so on I really like doing part one I like those really slow burn movies a lot but I hate that it's like it's literally just half a film it's just half a movie

it just ends I'm like oh okay it's just over yeah it's a whole lot of set up for like the main bit which it does really, really well and it's still really really good but it is definitely

like okay all of that was interesting but it feels like things are about to get incredibly interesting. Oh there's the credits okay I guess we'll wait a little bit for the next one and hope that it was as good if not better because I really want to know what's happening. I mean even though I'd

read the books and sort of knew what was happening I still was like but but next one now please next can we have the thing straight away can we just stitch the two together and have a really oh okay no we're gonna have to wait so so so should we go into how

Dune is kind of like contributing to 40K well I mean obviously it is but that's the point of today's episode right and since we're talking about Dune right because we're not talking we're not talking necessarily about movies and things that took from 40K unlike that dog

shit Rebel Moon absolute travesty of a film. I was gonna ask if we were gonna talk about that movie too because that is so like Zach Snyder, the absolute hack that he is. But we're talking about films that in a sense could either be 40K parallel like accidentally like the universe

or directly contributed to it like Starship Troopers and Judge Dread. Yes. Yeah. So with June specifically, it's a little bit of a cheat putting the films on the list because technically the films don't actually have that much in common with 40K. But what they lead up to was a massive influence on the Warhammer 40K universe. So I mean, stop me if a few things sound familiar. There's the God Emperor of the Imperium. there is a war against artificial intelligence there is a complete blanket ban on artificial intelligence or thinking machines

there are things like psychers they're navigators that allow the Imperium to go from one place to over in space and they need the spice could there perchance be like familial houses that make up like factions perchance like could that be a thing that there is oh my oh my god wow so much of like when you look at the the kind of some of the bigger parts of what makes june june and then look at warhammer 40k there is a whole lot of like copy my homework but make sure that it

you know looks different which to be fair copy my homework but don't make it obvious yeah Yeah, yeah. Though, I will say, though, like, Dune's a little bit of a cheat, though, because Dune is often referred to as the father of all sci-fi. Like, everything stole from Dune. True. I think 40K stole a bit much from Dune. Like, it steals a little bit more than most.

I was going to say, 40K kind of steals a lot from literally every sci-fi popular media thing, though, to be fair. It does. But the fact that there is the God Emperor of the Imperator of the. Imperium with the Navigator stuff. Dune's really on the nose. Yeah, it's, it is a little more than most. Like, their whole setting is basically,

look, it's Dune. Yeah. It's, it's, it's very appreciative to see 40K as a, to see how it's advanced outside of its Dune world and become its own kind of thing.

But there's no, there's no denying. It's original spot. Yeah, but Dune has that hear me out popcorn thing for the exclusive, you know, with the gaping mall with the teeth. Oh, the dussey. Yeah,

yeah, hear me out. I prefer the... It is a bit of a dussey. It's a bit of a dussey. I really don't like that. Yeah, I don't... It's very creepy. Yeah, no, absolutely not. The memes are great, but I would never...

I would never stick my dick in that. Can't confirm. How desperate am I? Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't you start welling? Well, there's no, there's no wells on that. You know, what's the rule? Every hole is a goal? And, you know, how does it?

Anyway, so moving on. What goals are you attempting to achieve? Well, you know, sometimes. Sometimes when a man loves a worm. Would you still love me if I was a worm question? Bricky, I did it all for the Dussie. Wow. This is bad.

This is a typical Kyrioth episode. So, God damn. I don't know why I do to bring this out. I don't even encourage it most of the time. Most of the time. So, yeah, we've gone way off the rails here. So Dune, 40K, obvious parallels. Obviously 40K shares a lot with Dune.

Segway commenced from Dissie. But there are also like quite a lot of differences. So it kind of is easy to look at, I guess it's almost like looking at the keywords for the universes and going, well, that's the same thing. But things like, I mean, just the god emperor of each imperium are like vastly different entities. So the god emperor of the imperium of man in Warhammer 40K did not have a throne to ascend to. He had to forge the imperium out of, you know, the splintered remains of humanity scattered across the galaxy. he had to bring everyone together in order to create an empire to begin with.

Whereas in June, the God Emperor ascended the throne through various interesting issues and became a giant man-worm hybrid, which, you know, I'd say he keeps him slightly more mobile and in it than the God Emperor ended up being. So I put the cover of, I think it's the first edition of God Emperor of June, in the there is... Oh, that's actually the god emperor, that worm thing? Yeah.

I haven't... I don't know anything about Dune aside from part one. So I just thought that was like a, you know, sandworm creature thing that we hadn't been... I didn't realize that was actually the god emperor.

I thought the god emperor was just like, oh yeah, he's... I'm not going to say I thought it was like the same thing as like the 40K emperor. but I imagine someone sort of high and mighty on that kind of kind of sort of golden throne

as it were that was just like, oh, I manipulate the spice, I need the spice, you know? I mean, to be fair, there is a golden throne, but the golden throne is the golden lion throne and it sort of vanishes partway through the series because June does like, it jumps,

like it skips around. To be fair, like the god emperor of both Imperiums have a plan for humanity and have a plan for allowing humanity to evolve and survive and are trying to kind of guide the races a whole away from extinction, but they go about it in quite different ways, and it could be argued that the God Emperor of June is moderately more successful, because there is... I mean, it's not like the God Emperor in 4th.

K is wildly successful. It doesn't take a whole lot to be. Oh, definitely. It definitely did not go the way that he planned. He didn't really set a high bar for humanity's success, right? I was about to say, like, do the Dune, because I'm familiar with like the initial story of Dune and like the movie and all that, is there, do they still have that same level of like regression in technology and stuff?

or, I don't remember that being particularly present. No, no. So in terms of, in terms of the technology side of things, they have the same kind of blanket bound on AI for the same reason, you know, where creations of humanity turned against them and they were actually forced to go to war against them and get rid of them. And from that point on, it's a case of no AI, no thinking machines as it's put in the books. But they actually progress.

So when the book start, you need navigators in order to move ships around in space, and you need the spice in order to make the navigators be able to basically see the future in short glimpses. It basically gives them prescience so that they can see hazards and avoid them. By the time you get... Gives of the old binoculars. Yeah, by the time you get like further on in the series, navigators are starting to be replaced by things that can do that. automatically.

So ships are starting to not need navigators at all. Instead, there are ways of calculating those, like, those hazards. And it's actually a proper technological jump where it starts out being Spice is the thing that controls everything. And towards the end of the series, Spice is becoming less necessary for space travel. And given that space travel is what is. tying the entirety of the Imperium together, spice not being needed as much makes quite a significant difference

and that's due to the progression of tech. Plus, the way that they handle like a blanket ban on AI from the Imperium of Man to the Imperium of June is really, really, really different. So the Imperium in 40K just does the Servitor thing, don't it? They just, they get clones

or they get criminals or they get babies and then turn them into servitors and they are used for specific tasks filled with implants and they have kind of their brain still but it's kind of wiped clean and then reprogram for specific tasks and things that need doing

whereas in June they have men tats who are just insanely intelligent humans and there is like a whole programme of just breeding for intelligence so that you end up with humans who are human super computers basically

yeah pretty much I actually did not know that in the film in June part one there's a point where you see one of the kind of assistance to later Atreides oh the guy who puts his eyes yeah yeah yeah yeah that guy

and he calculates how much it cost them to right right right right yeah so he's a mentat and there are you know they are kind of the human version of computers in that universe, or like the human version of servitors, where rather than just having, you know, kind of not brainwashed, but part cybernetic criminals and clones doing menial tasks, or just doing processing for one specific thing, instead you have these incredibly intelligent people

who can just process information at a vast, you know, capacity and rate. so even that is like it's kind of they both have a blanket ban on AI but the way that the two Imperions have tackled that ban is totally different one is basically eugenics it's breeding for intelligence in order to create human supercomputers

and the other is this guy stole something let's wipe his brain it's very different yeah and the god emperor of 40K never really wanted to be the god emperor of 40k unless I've missed something in the horace heresy where he suddenly had a change of heart.

He was pretty against it, all things considered, whereas the god emperor of June accepted that mantle and popularized it and made people call him that because he went full tyranny. So he ruled humanity with an iron fist and basically tried to breed out of them the traits that lead to tyranny and prescience and basically just forced humanity into a position where they had to do what he said.

He had full and total control, and he had his own private armies, the Saddikar and the Fish Speakers, which was an all-woman army, who went around and dealt with people who did not want to do what the God Emperor said. I mean, that's not terribly far off of, like the 40K, right? Because wasn't it in Master of Mankind where he's like, yeah, I'm a tyrant, but I have to be a tyrant because otherwise humanity isn't going to like evolve and they're not going to, so I have to be a tyrant. Otherwise, mankind is going to go off and they're going to, you know, worship some chaos,

nonsense. Chaos is going to have an easier foothold on them. So I need to be this stringent tyrant dictator. Otherwise humanity is going to doom itself, right? I think that's what he said in Master of Mankind, but he's also like, he's also, I've always,

he's still always kind of a shithead still. Because I always, I always look back to like the last church, you know, where he's got this whole like, well, I know I'm right, so whatever.

And that's just kind of like, ooh, that's just such a, such a bad thing to hear, you know, from someone as strong as this. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

There's definitely an element of, well, it's like this because I say so. Yeah. That's the whole reason. And it's like, well, have you got anything more than that? No? Okay. Right. It's still shitty, but that's, that's his justification.

And they're kind of similar. Though it's, was the god emperor of Dune at all? Like, because Shy makes a slight, like, spoiler for later books. He's tyrannical for a reason. Like, that whole thing. Like, the emperor was tyrannical for his own reason. but like did the god emperor of dunes decision to do that actually work because the emperors clearly didn't um uh it did not pan out fair invalid

i was taking a sip when you said that so well i mean with the the god emperor of june was following like a kind of like a set of it not a set of instructions necessarily but he was following something called the golden path, which is basically a series of decisions and ways in which you need to alter the human race to allow them to diversify and spread out and not be confined into a small area that is, you know, ruled by the need for spice to travel. So, as Shai's just put in, God Emperor Leto the Spero the same. second stated goal was to teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones,

that sheltered safety was tantamount to utter death however long it would be. Wow. Teach humanity a lesson they will remember in their bones is a quote and a half. Oh my God. It was just like, hey, safety is cringe because you'll never truly be safe and you have to go on the offensive. Is that, I'm getting that right? It seems more like just staying to like your comfort zone.

It's just like, well, yeah, you can be in your comfort zone, but then you're going to become like static and you're never going to grow and you're just going to be this lump that never, you know, whereas if you expand, you might not be safe, but you're growing and you're evolving is kind of how I saw that. Oh, so, so he chose, he was like complacency. I don't know if that's how. Yeah.

I don't know if that's actually how they meant it, but that's kind of how I read that little quote. You kind of have to grow. You can't be content in just, you know, the now. Little, it's a little, I mean, I guess they had, they had prescience. They had, they could see the future. So there was like a certain level of,

of, like, I guess he wouldn't know in that sense. But it's, it sounds like the man is justifying a couple wars. it sounds like like hey we're getting a little too comfortable let's let's begin conquest yeah true i mean that that's still you know because you want to grow and evolve doesn't mean you know you should genocide everybody else and conquer everything and you know become a galactic dictatorship right what was was the god emperor of dune was he was he very much like alien races are dumb we will kill them all did he do that too or From what I remember, there isn't really any mention of alien races within the June universe.

It's all humanity. Oh, it's just other factions that grow from different areas. So it's, it's, there's just, there's just a complete lack of, of kind of alien context in there. It's all humans all the time, um, across the entire Imperium and across the known universe that they have. Um, so for, for, for, it's weird because his approach to kind of guiding, the human race was to make tyranny control and kind of remaining in one place so horrific and awful that just as a species there would be a kind of recovery from that and there would no longer be this kind of need to stay in one place and stay confined to the kind of class structure

that they have and the sort of approach of like aristocracy and noble houses and stuff and instead would explore and actually try and expand and just go other places and try other things that for the most of them like for a long time in humanity it would just be a case of life is under the god emperor you do as you're told if you don't do as you're told you get killed and there's nowhere to go. So by the time all of that is done, just as a species, the human race would want to expand and to end the class system that led to that in the first place. So am I understanding it right that he was a tyrant and he made life so cringe in one place

that humanity would be like, we need to get the F away from this guy and do anything else, so let's expand and grow away from this cringe? Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah. It didn't sink in until just now and I was like, wait a minute. He was a tyrant and he made life so miserable on like Tara that everyone was like, ew, let's get away from this big, dumb, warm tyrant.

Not just on like the home world everywhere. Like when he says, because in that quote, it's teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones. He's talking about a species wide, like enforced education of, hey, this is awful and you can't do anything about it or escape it but what if you could ah so he so he so did he actually make living under this awful or did he teach people like did he gaslight them into thinking it was awful oh no he was he was full like brutal regime of oppression okay okay but the intention because he

demanded to be the god emperor he enforced the fact that he was the god emperor like Like, he effectively for three and a half thousand years, he enforced a program of manipulation away from traits that led to war and tyranny. On like an evolutionary scale, he forced like a kind of breeding program that was supposed to free humanity from the ability to see into the future.

And anyone who disagreed, they got either the fish speakers or they got the Saudi car. which were the armies of the god emperor. So it's bad. Like, in terms of just who was the bigger asshole, I would argue probably the god emperor of June. Yeah, yeah. It sounds like the god emperor of Dune is absolutely the worst tyrant,

bar none. How ironic that the god emperor of mankind was nicer, but in a sense it turned his, his ending regime into, I'd argue, like, would you say that life in Warhammer as a human in the Imperium is worse than life in the Dune Imperium, in like modern time with all the regression? Oh, I think so, yeah. Okay. Because, like, I imagine the, the, how worthless human life is just has like no value.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could sort of look at it and argue that the failure of the goddesses. Emperor of Warhammer 40K has kind of led to the sort of future that humanity might have been headed towards in June in terms of just stagnating, being confined to one place, being ruled over by various kind of corrupt aristocratic families, reliant on mutants in order to travel from one system to another. Like, it's almost kind of take away the aliens, admittedly,

but the future of 40K is not that far off, probably what the future in June could have been if later on the second wasn't perfectly happy to go along the golden path and, I mean, rule over humanity in a horrific fashion for three and a thousand years. I mean, yeah, stagnation. stagnation and like just general what is it like backwards sliding

is a theme in most to all factions in Warhammer you know like the necrons the elder the only people that are that aren't are like I guess like the Tao the Tao and the and the Tyrannids I suppose Tyrannids are just always hungry yeah which is like partially why there's such a fearful

enemy because because we don't know but I guess that that makes sense it's kind of a, it's kind of neat to see how it's evolved into its own form. Yeah, definitely. It's, it is definitely like, the kind of surface elements look very similar, but then when you actually look at the story of them both, like, the differences are, like, pretty massive. Yeah.

Like, Games Workshop have definitely made it its own thing. And whilst there's, you know, there's things like, you know, the Great Crusade and so on, in 40K and in June there was, I mean, the war against AI was called. the butlerian jihad so there's like still like a religious undertone to it um and there's there's things like psychers in the form of the i always for years i thought it was i thought it was pronounced bean gessorit which is not how you pronounce that the beneggessor it yeah yeah it's it's not bean gessor it yeah you're a tax man you're a bean guesser how many beans in this jar bean Gessor.

It's the Benegeserite or something like that. Yeah, yeah. It's the Benegeserate. It's definitely not white. I mean, my first read June when I was quite young, I remember reading it. And even then,

being like, I don't think that's right, but not knowing how else to approach it. So, this is like me playing Alan Wake 2 and just being like, I'm going to get really good at saying Perkale, because it sounds fun. So we've spent an awful lot of time on Doom.

Should we maybe move on to next movie thing? Let's talk about dread, because that's something else that has quite a big, quite a big, if niche part of 40K was inspired by dread, but there are, there are those who think that basically it's kind of been ripped off, you know? Yeah, the RPG nuts. things like the adeptus are are bities, our beets, our bites those lads, those guys

Yep, they're very close They are really close And there are a good number of Like as I was like looking into this and stuff There are quite a few people who are like It's just a full on rip off And technically that isn't that far off being correct Because when you look at Dread

you have like where a lot of the stories are set Mega City 1 which is a vastly overpopulated hive city basically you also have the judges who are judged during executioner and they go out and fight the crimes

with all sorts of hilarious weaponry like incendiary bullets I don't know why you'd need those other than setting people on fire but I appreciate that they exist I'm for me if you answers your own question my guy. You set people on fire so you can set them on fire. Yeah.

You need those high X bolts, you know, for high explosive punching through walls and getting to your local high-tiered skate park. Hollow point is cringe. I want arson joint. Dred does also have the psychers. That's true, shy. Yep.

Yeah. I mean, there's similarities. There's a lot of similarities. But there's a big visor. Big visor open mouth is just like that's like just the stick, right? It's all you need. Yeah, and the cool armor. There is an excuse, though.

There is an excuse because Games Workshop didn't always make their own games. They started out basically selling Dungeons and Dragons stuff. And it was only when they started doing Citadel miniatures and things that they started to make their own games. Before they did that, they released rules in 1985 for the Judge Dredd role-playing game, which they were licensed from 2000 AD. And from what I've read, they had a pretty decent relationship with 2000 AD. So when it came to making Rogue Trader, they took inspiration from 2000 AD because they had already, you know, made a game fully for that franchise.

And they'd also produced miniatures for that franchise as well. And there was a couple of things that I've read that talked about Rogue Trader being not that far off a name for a 2000 AD comic, but I couldn't call Rogue Trooper, I think it was. But I couldn't find much to corroborate that. But that is one of the... the miniatures I've just put in the chat that Games Workshop made for the

Judge Dredd role-playing game. So when it came to creating things like Necramunder, where you've got a planet full of vast hive cities that are full of people crammed in, who also have to eat things like corpse starch, and

you know, there's things like in Judge Dred where there's re-sike for corpses as a form of food, and you've also got the judges going around trying to keep order, and then you've got... And failing. And failing. Well, I mean, they do keep order by, you know, killing anything that stands in their way.

Hell yeah. If it works, you know, if it works, it works. Does it so. It's kind of like... It's some pretty undemocratic speak I'm hearing right here. Uh-oh. Oh, no. Where's that red light coming from?

380 high explosive, woe upon ye. So, yeah, when they gave, when they introduced Adaptus, um, Arbytes, they didn't have models for them, so they told people to use miniatures from the Judge Dreadline that they were already making in place of the Arbytes miniatures. So there's like a really kind of deep link that kind of goes all the way back to like 1985 of them already kind of collaborating in creating this game, then creating the miniatures. and then when they made Rogue Trader, when they introduced rules for that force, they didn't have miniatures for them, but they were basically already kind of the judges anyway. So they then said, you know, use the miniatures from the Judge Dredd role-playing game. So it kind of is a bit of a rip-off and it is a direct inspiration. But it's like they're ripping off themselves.

It's like they kind of made that. I didn't realize it went that deep. I just kind of figured they were like, oh yeah, Judge Dread is really popular and really cool. Let's make something that is loosely, obviously inspired by it, as GW tends to do.

I didn't realize that it was more of a, hey, we're already making this thing. Use that until we figure out what we want to do with the Arbides. Well, ironically, too. Like, you don't even really need to copy Judge Dread's style and stuff either from like the world. or anything.

I mean, I guess you could say that necromania could have been decently inspired and enforced by the whole thing. But having this,

just this massive, overly saturated tyrannical area with, you know, very mean police officers is just the Imperium anyway? Well, yeah,

kind of, basically sure. It's already there, you know? It is. You just kind of had copied the look. And even then,

you still kind of, Well, you kind of gave it your own. The new RB's models come into their own a little bit more with the Aquila and everything everywhere. But yeah. Still a very obvious inspiration from Judge Dredd, but yeah. They've done a lot of their own GW spin. Yeah, they've definitely kind of made them their own thing at this point. Like the inspiration is still there and you can see that it's there.

But it's now like more. of just an inspiration and less off we took this thing and made it as well. Yeah. Yeah. I've always liked that link because it's one of those things where every now and again you're kind of

especially like talking about models and stuff there will be that kind of comment of you can tell who they copied and it's like oh they kind of did but it's so much more interesting than that. It kind of goes back so much further and I mean given that like in 1988 five, there are a good chunk of people who just weren't even, when I say weren't even born then,

I mean, like, that's a year before I was born. And the number of comments that come from that sort of demographic of not knowing that that link existed in the first place is quite high. So it always makes it more fun to kind of go, yeah, but look, they were already doing it kind of. They'd already done rules for a full-on RPG. They'd already been communicating. with 2000 AD in order to make that.

They did license miniatures. Like, it's, I don't know. I like how much of it is inspired by Dred, but not just because it's like, oh, here's a cool thing they copied, but here's a cool thing they worked on. They worked on and they were making on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That is a really cool link. Also, what's Dread's gun call? Don't the judges have special, like, because they're gene-coded to them. Only they can fire them. And in Dread, you see what happens when someone, Not gene-coded tries to fire that thing. Not happy.

Is it an enforcer? Law-giver? Is it just called an enforcer? Oh, Shai said it's a log. Oh, great name. There's, there's, I'm, well, this isn't exclusive to dread or anything, but I was fairly certain there was a, there are guns like that in 40K, aren't there? That are like, you know, only the blah, blah, blah can fire them.

They're coded to. You're probably thinking of, um, first heretic where the custodians have gene-coded weapons. Right, right, right, right, right. they do. That's one. And I mean, like, you know, the sidearm of a law officer is just, it's just a cool thing to look at. You know, the blade runner, blaster in both blade runners is like iconic for so. Not a commentary. I just think it's a cool concept and it's a cool gun. And I just, I just love that vibe of like, I'm the only one that can fire this. And only the law has this gun. I just, I just think it's a really cool concept. I must admit, I've actually been,

I've really wanted to create a replica of the service weapon from, from control for that same reason. Ooh, yeah. It's just a, it's just a really weird design, and I love it. It's so strange.

Doesn't it, like, open up and do weird stuff depending on something? Did you not play control? I played a little bit of it, but like my copy for some reason bugged out, and I stopped playing it Because, like, there was like a, you had to fight a bunch of enemies and then go up an elevator. And I guess like one of the enemies got stuck in the elevator so the elevator wouldn't move anymore. Oh, yeah, it has some bugs like that.

Yeah. No, yeah, yeah. The gun can become like a shotgun and SMG, etc. And it's just like the form it takes. Oh, yeah. Like there. It's really neat. But like, yeah, the, what is?

The log giver is, I'd say also very much one of those. Yeah. Ashai, they make real guns like that that are like DNA coded that only like a, like a, like it can tell your handprint and it won't fire unless it's really? That's a real thing? Or do you mean like a front? Like a fingerprint activated on the. No, like a front of a magazine like like the style of the log giver pistol. Or it is.

Oh yeah, that is very front loaded, isn't it? Why did I not realize that? There are. It is true. Dragon's Breath Rounds do exist Biofire It scans your fingerprints and has a webcam That's pointed at your face and scans it

If someone else touches it, it won't fire Cool I like that That doesn't explode your hand though So No, that's true It won't explode your hand Maybe one day

Yeah, one day Can you imagine if it like If it's like you just like covered in blood or something And he tries to scan your face and it can't Because you just like all screwed up Oh no my gun Got to get that retina scan. Please, I need this to work right now.

Right this second. All right. Anything else from Dred that we need to? I think that mostly covers it. I think that mostly covers it for Dredd. Okay, okay. We should talk about Starship Troopers, though. Oh, it's topical right now specifically to.

Helldivers, too. I love liberty and democracy. How about a nice cup of Liberty? Liberty. Liberty. God damn Anyway, go ahead I haven't seen Starship Troopers in a hot minute

It's still It's still good I remember large swads of it I particularly my favorite parts There's two parts that I really like The first part is when they're in school And they're all clearly not like teenagers Because they're obviously like 25 or older

And And they were talking about the Hiroshima bombing and like the lesson was like yeah violence is awesome and we should do it again and that was that was like the rule that was the answer

um and then the second one is this the guy is like oh excellent sir mobile infantry made me the man I am today and he's like missing both of his legs in a wheelchair oh yeah he's got a robotic arm as well like even his he's like horribly mutilated It's so funny.

Love that propaganda. Love that. Well, the film is like, I mean, the film could basically be boiled down to, this is what it looks like when guardsmen get attacked by a high fleet. And there's a little bit of, so there's a little bit of interesting parallel with kind of the armor that the infantry wear and what the guardsmen get. of the time looks like. I mean... Because there's definite very heavy

definitely very heavy parallels between the models of that time and when the film was made. But the film itself like given when it came out when it was made and stuff maybe not that much of an influence

on 40K necessarily. However, the book absolutely is. The book has kind of become this this like, almost like the source of a lot of the kind of basically space marines fighting aliens or space marines fighting space bugs trope that I mean is shown up in how many games, books

and films at this point but the books had something that the film didn't have which is effectively power armor. So the book was published in 1950s. Wow, that long ago? Yeah, and the soldiers in the book had Mecca armor. They had mech suits. They effectively had Space Marine Armour in 1959, which makes them elite soldiers who are equipped with mechanized battlesuits

that give them the power of a tank, which sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it? Sure, well, I mean mechanized power armor is used in a lot of stuff, though. Like, sure, you also have space marine armor, but I don't, I mean, the book really kind of puts them more as like the space marines of 40K than the guard.

Oh, sure, sure. The author didn't really like the film because it made, it made the, you know, it made the shaman army, yeah, just a bunch of idiots with normal guns, whereas in the book, it was like a small, you know, a small force, of power-armid soldiers

that could fight overwhelming odds, which is effectively just what space marines are. So, like, there's a lot of, there's, like, a lot of overlap there. Obviously, it's shown up in other stuff as well, but that's quite a, that's quite a kind of key part of that novel, and it became,

like, arguably the cornerstone of 40K. Like, Space Marines being not just the poster boys, but the entire reason for the, you know, universe being the way it was. Like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of parallels between something that was written in 1959 and like a constantly evolving universe right now. Why did they change that in the movie to make them just like the guard? Well, I'm assuming there's the, um, I'm assuming the book is not satirate.

I'm assuming it's not trying to be satirical, right? The book kind of. Well, because like, like, Starship Troopers was done, I forget his name. guy who did Robocop, which is clearly a, clearly obviously also a satire. And so, like, I don't know, if they're big space marine power armor guys, then the whole you're being chewed up by the meat grinder of a fascist industry is like not present. No, it's a lot more celebratory. It's a lot more kind of, like, oh, is it the opposite side of propaganda? Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely not liked the film in that respect

it sounds like the guy who made the film wanted to take the piss out of the out of the guy who wrote the book I mean it's like the exact opposite yeah the uh

question work I like I don't know because I'm thinking um well I'm thinking of uh like like Bioshock right like Bioshock is it's all about uh Ane Rahn's fucking

Atlas shrugged. That's the whole point. Aynne, Andrew Ryan, Atlas shrugged, Atlas. And it's like, what if we took her weird capitalist utopia and tried to make it

how it would actually happen? And it's like, look at how horrible this failure is. Like, this is the concept that they decided to go with. And so it's kind of taken the piss out of her book.

I wonder if it's something kind of similar with that. Yeah, I feel like there's probably a little bit of that going on because it's, I would like, argue they don't really share the same message.

Yeah. The messages might be similar, but not in a... One of them isn't doing it in a satirical way. It's just like, look how awesome the industrial machine is, which is all like kind of and like just, isn't it great when you can, when you can just blow things up to solve all of your problems? Like that kind of vibe. Who's the writer?

Was the American? So the author is, Robert Heinleon? I believe he is American. Okay, because I'm thinking he wrote this one. You said 59? He would have lived through World War II. There's a very, there's a lot of patriotism that comes out of that because it's a, you know, especially if you're on the, if you're on the winning side.

And so I wonder if maybe he's like, look, look at how awesome the military industrial complex is. We stopped the evil, evil Nazis. And so... Yeah, we literally stopped the axis of evil. Yeah, and so maybe he kind of wanted to... Now in the 90s, we're a little bit more keen on that stuff. And so he's like, you know, it'd be funny. Let's just...

Let's take the armor from the rebels and Star Wars and send them against bugs and just watch as everyone dies and the main character ends up with the girl he doesn't like. Oh, it's so harsh. It's so harsh. It's so funny, though. laugh hysterically at that movie in like a horrible messed up way.

Yeah. Also, just something that I think every time I watch it, how did the bugs launch the asteroid? Because it feels like it. It's not important. Don't think about it. I mean, don't think about it too hard.

You can get in trouble thinking about that too hard. Think about that. Remember the big like sloppy saliva bug face that looks like a, you know? How about that? part. Nobody talks about that part. It definitely does look like that. What about

when they realize that they feel pain and they all just cheer and they're like, let's go. They can suffer. It's so good. I absolutely adore that film. I need to rewatch that. It's been a long time. Didn't Robocop also bomb?

Because people just like didn't understand what they were going for. Yeah, I think that did pretty badly on release as well. And now it's like they are, yeah, they're proper proper classics. Yeah. Well, because they're like, when you make a, when you make a movie that's obviously satire, you, you have

a huge issue of people missing the point. And we, we have seen that in Warhammer plenty of times. Oh, yeah. No, never. When? We're even seeing it a little bit with helldivers. Yeah.

Curiopty. Heldivers are so on the nose. How? Do you know the lore of hell divers? I know a little bit. Okay, let me hit you with this real quick, not to go too off topic. The bugs, right?

They, like, you may expand it into the bugs territory and started murdering them because they're in their way, etc. We found out that the bugs, when they die, produce a really powerful oil that we can use as fuel So we've basically taken all the bugs and corralled them into various planets and then slowly like shave off the top as they reproduce to keep our oil flowing in.

The bugs just kind of broke free of their pens and that's the problem right now. Oh boy. All right. The robots were originally revolutionary fighters that fought against the managed democracy tyranny and became like Atomatoms later on. But they're a socialist robot group that are trying to get people to leave Super Earth because they think they're tyrants. Oh, boy. And so it's like, you're clearly not the good guys. Yeah, no, that's not even a little bit of stuff.

Yeah, that is very, very clearly we are not. Are we the baddies? Hans, are we the baddies? Are we the baddies? But it's just, it's so funny, though. Oh God. So, event horizon? Yeah, let's finish where we started.

Oh, there we go. Yeah, okay. So just before we move on, so Starship Trooper creator Heinleyn considered himself a libertarian and thought that the world needs strong world government or otherwise the human race will destroy itself with nuclear war. Oh. At that time period.

He was very much, he was very much not a racist. describe his view. I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown, and the honest, courage, intelligence, durability, and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on the planet. I am proud to be a human being. So, okay.

So, okay, this actually makes a lot more sense, too, because it was in the 59, so we were, like, hyper in the red scare. Yeah. So he's like, we need to all come together, or we're all going to kill ourselves with bombs. I guess that makes sense.

Given the time that, yeah, I can kind of see that, sure. Grandpa's growing up with a, with a understandable, if maybe not currently great viewpoint on certain other countries of the world. Yeah, it kind of, it does, it does very much read like that, isn't it? Yeah, it does, it does, it does. Thanks, cramps. To finish where we started with Event Horizon? That's much easier to talk about.

It's fully not something. at influence 40K, obviously. Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. Well after all of that was established, but it is borderline. I mean, it's not actually technically a prequel.

It just extremely reads like one. It feels like it. It feels like, oh, this is how humanity found the warp. Oh, my God. Chaos. Oh, my God. Oh, this is FTL faster than like, oh, this is what happens when you tip into the warp. Wah!

Chaos! Definitely. Just replace a couple phrases at a bit more Imperium in it, and then slap some heraldry on it, and you literally just have a, a derelict spaceship with a portal to the warp. Yeah. Yeah, you really do.

To be fair, the screenwriter, Philip Eisner, said on Twitter in 2017, I played the shit out of 40K, so it was definitely an influence, conscious or otherwise. I did not know that I didn't know he said that I mean I would suggest definitely influence as he says definitely an influence

there's no way 40K wasn't at least some influence like you said maybe it was unconscious because he played the hell out of 40K but the influences are clear yeah definitely I mean an experimental ship with an experimental like faster than light drive Warp drive.

A gravity drive, thank you. Disappearing for seven years, coming back, and then it being full of nightmares, hallucinations, the crew's all gone. Like, it really does just immediately. It's like, oh, it got lost in the warp. Cool. And even if that wasn't your initial thought,

as like, I'd imagine if you're not a 40K fan if you don't follow 40K, you might just think, hell, which is also not that bad of an interpretation. Yeah, definitely. There's just something about the fact that the ship comes back like borderline sentient, like actively messing with the crew of the Lewis and Clark who go over to investigate it,

the fact that it causes hallucinations, that it actively goes out of its way to hurt and cause distress to the new crew. It's just so, it's so warp. Well, isn't that what Sam Neal said? He's like, hell is just a word. Reality is much, much worse. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Great line. It's a really good line. Okay. D.K. and Kirov, did you guys just recently watch Event Horizon for this episode? No. Okay. It's been a little bit since I've watched Event Horizon.

It's pretty present in my mind. I remember it quite well. I mean, I remember what happens, but I haven't watched it recently. So I must, I gotta say, um, it's not a perfect movie.

I was, I was gonna remember if you guys, if you guys remembered at the end of the film when he's fighting, when Lawrence Fishpren's fighting Sam Neal, and they're using like the most stock punch sound effects you've ever seen in your life. Yep. Yep. And it's,

it's just awful. And then there's like the, there's like the lady with the son or whatever who just like, clearly knows she's hallucinating but just runs at him anyway and falls to her death and you're like, oh my goodness gracious there's a lot of that going on but there's just that

one scene where he's in the in the command throne with his eyes sewn shut and it's just it's such a vivid image. It's so good. Yeah, it's great. I mean, he like basically refers to it as like a dimension of pure chaos so even that by itself

and things like the like the kind of flashes that that you get of what's going to happen to the crew when the event horizon makes the jump like apparently quite a lot of that didn't make it into the film like they filmed a lot more

torture horror scenes oh yeah yeah the the blood orgy as it were to close South Park all the barbed wire being like round people's faces and stuff like there's apparently more of that that wasn't in the film. Probably for the better.

I mean, I watched a film when I was quite young and that was not, that was not great. That scene. No, I think maybe if they added more, it would kind of ruin the, of the magic or whatever, but like, just enough. Yeah, it kind of ruins the impact

of when you actually see that thing and they're like, nope, we're gone. Also, because, like, if you just see enough of it, then you, you're left to wonder that this is just a slice and it's probably far, far worse. Yeah, it probably gets even worse than this. Yeah, your mind's left to wander.

And I think that adds a bit more of like a, like a, ugh. Yeah. Well, that's kind of like the idea of what they did in the original Texas chainsaw massacre, right? The door closes and you can only hear it. And what your imagination makes up is way worse than anything they could actually show you, right? So sometimes less is more. That is very true.

I would agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's it's so good and it's so 40K and it really does just feel like an actual full-on prequel. If the years just lined up a bit better it'd be like, oh, it's just exactly what you would imagine

that kind of encounter to be if you try to jump without Gellarfields. It's so good. I think that's... I wouldn't mind if a 40K movie was like sort of set up like that where it's like, oh, here's what happens

when you don't warp with the Gellerfield and just shows the craziness of the warp and all that. I wouldn't terribly mind that. I mean, I think I've been championing the idea of if you're going to do a 40K film, you need to do it super small scale and just put it in the universe.

I think having a film, exactly like an inquisitor whose job is just to go to find derelict ships as an investigation, and you can, like, get a couple of ships, and they have various chaosy issues. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you could have, like, a nergul ship or something. Just just kind of, like, get that setup, you know?

Yeah, definitely. Because, like we've said before, there's no way you can do a movie that's like, look, this is the horace Harris. You can't. You simply cannot do it. Too much stuff. But, yeah, like a small scale event horizon where, like an inquisitors, like, uh-oh, that's a space Hulk.

Oh, I guess we have to investigate. would be really cool. I'd love the idea or like a rogue trader or something but yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the idea of like you do the event horizon thing but you do it with like a nergel ship

and it doesn't like look wrong on first glance but you know your crew just like one of your guardsmen just starts to get really sick out of nowhere and you're like that's weird why is you getting so sick and they just kind of slowly escalates you know.

It gets worse and worse and it's spreading and more people are getting and it's like why are there boils on the wall. Yeah, like, okay, then you go back to the ship

and you all make sure you get like air purifier helmets and things like that, but then, but then, you know, it's like the ship starts to rot away. Just, just like,

you could go really smooth and slow in the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. It's... Chaos is insidious and that's kind of the whole point. Mm-hmm.

I would 100% watch that. That actually sounds really good. Same. It's fun because... Even if it wasn't a 40K movie, I'd watch that. Like, If you just were like, oh, yeah, there's an alien plague that affects humans and, like, objects, like metal.

And it just sort of, like, makes material sick. I'd watch that. I'd watch the hell out of that. I think that's one of those. Because if we were to garner which of the four chaos gods would have affected the event horizon, I think we would agree would be Slanesh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, pretty clearly.

Yeah. But like I'm thinking of the idea of just like you have a Zin ship and then you know, you have people like walking down the corridor, you shoot it like that. And then just in the background, the wall just has like a unblinking eye staring at him as he like as he walks past. And then he might like look behind him and then the eye is gone. Just like things like that. Because it's such a. Didn't we talk about like a chaos ship at some point or in some episode where they would like. No, it was It's like Zinche's crystalline Labyrinth where he'd like walk into a door But the door is a giant gaping maw Of teeth and you just don't realize it It just closes on you Just like weird crap like that

Would be so good And I'm I miss deep space horror And you know after alien kind of ran It's ran it to the ground Because really Scott's a weirdo But like I need more I don't like Prometheus I took okay

I actually did like Prometheus. The C-section to get the alien out was a little weird. I liked Prometheus. I didn't love Prometheus. I looked at Prometheus, like, I'm not going to pretend this as an alien prequel because that's stupid. It's just a cool

space movie and okay. Yeah, yeah, Shia is right. I want a dead space movie. I just want a dead space film. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, no, that's actually a really good idea. I love, I absolutely love that kind of deep space stuff. And Dead Space is probably the

best deep space video game we've ever gotten, so, you know. Sure. Give me deep space and give me weird. Give it to me now. Give me liberty or give me deep space dread. I've liked to be honest, there just isn't enough like deep space sci-fi stuff full stop. Like, there just isn't enough of it. It's probably quite expensive to get those sets going, but...

Oh, yeah. I think probably like not all that popular either, comparatively. Like, I don't know. It kind of feels like, it kind of feels like there are some really good films that got sort of,

not like bad reception, but just not that many people saw it for like how good it was, especially when you compare it to like, I don't know, I don't have a problem with like the Marvel films or anything, but Jesus Christ, there are a lot of films that are okay.

The recent ones I have a problem with because they're terrible. Well, yeah. Uh, shy ass, have I ever seen the movie Sunshine? Is that the one with Kevin Spacey? No, sunshine, wait. Or is that moon? I think so.

Maybe Moon. I've never seen it. Sunshine is great. It's a little, it's, it's, it's really, really good. The last act is a bit, a bit odd. It's sort of, it feels like two films. Oh, I've heard of this movie, yeah. I've heard, oh, it's Danny Boyle.

Oh, crap. Yeah. Wait, Danny Boyle did 20th days later For those of who did not Oh, okay Really, okay, no, I've heard of sunshine I've heard it's good I have never seen it though

It's worth a watch It's definitely worth a watch But train spotting And 28 days later are two of my Some of my favorite films 20 days later is my favorite zombie movie of all time And so I kind of I kind of want to shut this one out

Okay It's definitely worth it. It's definitely worth it. I'll tell you what, something that is not worth checking out, but is also vaguely, maybe, you could call it slightly 40K related, just to round things out. There is a film called Death Watch.

Now, it is not about the Death Watch of Warhammer 40,000. It's not very exciting. Boo! Make a Death Watch movie, you cowards! It's about, well, it came out in 2002, and it is set in World War War, one, and there is a small group of British soldiers in 1917 who charge a enemy trench and wait for rescue, and weird stuff starts happening.

Like really, really weird, nightmarish stuff starts happening. Now, there's issues with this film, right? Right. Not least that, you know, you know, in like the late 90s, early 2000s, there was only one gun sound effect that people had access to. Oh, yes. Okay, can I stop you for a half second? Go for it.

I noticed, I noticed Andy Circus is in this film. Love me some Andy Circus. I was on the IMDB. I scrolled down. Did you know section? Trivia. Andy Circus said in the audio commentary,

he has no idea what's going on in the film towards the third act. Yep. And you know what? I'm going to watch this movie now. I'm going to watch this movie now. I'm going to watch it. Curia, you sold me.

It's basically kind of like, if you think about what could happen to Imperial Guardsmen on a chaos-infested world, like on the kind, perhaps like on a demon world or something, where there is endless, there's endless possibility for nightmare scenarios

and just weird warped shenanigans and, you know, the actual world itself actively messing with you, that's the violence. that you kind of get from Death Watch. It's not, I'm not going to say it's good because I would argue that it's, it's not really. It feels very low budget.

I will say right now, if you're sold on the idea of Andy Circus, um, he's, he's done, he's done better performances. He's done less sort of hammy, uh, any circus, Any circus you'll know as the ape and planet of the apes. Oh, he's Ghalom. Gollum as well.

Oh, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Okay, and I know who it is now. Sorry, I just didn't have a name for the face. He was also a phenomenal character in the Andor Star Wars TV show. Oh, didn't realize he was even in it. Yeah, he plays one of the prisoners. He's great. He probably has the best speech in the entire, entire show.

Andor is excellent. I hate Star Wars right now. Highly recommend Andor. Genuinely good. Okay. Yeah. Genuinely worth watching. I don't think I've ever seen him in something and didn't enjoy his role in it.

Maybe not the whole movie, but his roles are usually pretty good. He's got a wild voice. He goes absolutely wild. It's a sight of a hold. I will say, I just scrolled down on the Death Watch page. and you know when you saw the trivia about how he doesn't know have you seen the thing below that

called goofs so a very key part of this film right is that they hear on the radio that their squad is dead oh okay in one scene it shows one of the soldiers finding and later talking on a radio

this could not be possible since radios for military fields use that you could talk on did not exist until World War II Oh That's the kind of attention to detail That you should expect watching this Yikes

They should have just said it in World War II then Yeah You know I mean I watched the All Quiet on the Western Front movie That recently came out It's a good movie Huh I don't really think I have anything else to say after that

That's just kind of what I was going for yeah I gave a little synopsis of Death Watch and it kind of sounds like that one What was that first person horror game That everybody was playing where you go through the trenches Oh, Amnisha the Bunker, I think Yeah, that's the one. It sounds like that.

I hear Amnesia the bunker is like Genuinely, like, heroingly terrifying. Like, it is cripplingly scary. I watched the streamer play it and I didn't feel like it was cripplingly scary Granted, I wasn't the one playing it, and you've got commentary, and you've got chat. So maybe I wasn't in the right space to really feel terrified, but it didn't seem that bad. Well, I am a grade A pussy, so I think maybe it would be for me.

Do it. I should. I really should. Do it. Anyway, is that how we're rounding this out, or we got more to talk about? I think that's a good place to stop if you want. feeling pretty good. That was a fun episode. We got a little

off the rails at times, but those was fun. Kiryath episodes are a lot of fun. Kiryath episodes are a choir off the rails. Shai, never speak of Rebel Moon. Rebel Boon.

Ever. It's so... Let's talk about it! I got, like... They have the militarian mechanics or whatever the hell it was called. I'm so mad, dude.

I'm so... I'm so mad. I've never, I've never been like a defensive fanboy of my property until then. Now I'm just, I'm genuinely upset. Genuine question.

If I shut my brain off, it was enjoyable eye candy-ish, kind of. It was a pretty movie anyway. I hate shut your brain off arguments. It's like if I was a fish, I would enjoy the film. Like, congratulations. But I have a genuine question. Can you remember anything about that film? Like, I'm talking plot.

I'm talking names of characters. Can you remember anything important? Oh, so here's how I remember the plot is because essentially it is kind of a riff on Seven Samurai or The Magnificent Seven. It's just in a sci-fi setting. It's basically the same plot. So you can remember other films that it copied, but I don't know. I can't remember names though, you're right. I remember one name.

I remember one guy's name because his name was Bellasarius, you hack. Oh, that's right! I remember that. And there's the emperor and you know. The Justice League movie sucks balls, including the Snyder cut. Never saw either one, to be honest with you. I've never seen a director so completely over-reliant on slow-mo. It's just part of the film.

He did 300. He did 300 once and everyone loved it and he can't stop sucking his dick afterwards. It's so irritating. It's so irritated. I have such a, like a palpable dislike for Zach Snyder films. Like, you have no idea. I would have enjoyed it more as a guilty pleasure if it did not have as much slow-mo. I will say that.

It was excessive slow-mo. Like, if it's a really important scene, sure. Okay, you know, really. But it's like bar fight, someone gets punts and they fall over a table and they do that in slow-mo. And it's like, why? Why do you what's important The only thing that made it more tolerable than Justice League Was the fact that at least you didn't have to hear Wonder Woman's theme tune every time the slimo happened

Duh do you I started out quite liking it And then I I can sit through it for just you know dumb action music Okay Every single time she did anything The music played

I should never ever say anything bad about Hans Zimmer but in the first in the first part of Dune when just randomly you'd hear like that like a-h-ah-h-h-h-h-h-h-hreaching background sound just like all the time it kind of grew at me a little bit I was like good God, dude we also got bagpipes though

so a totally a totally legit trade in my in my eye oh yeah hamburger cheeseburger wopper wopper hamburger with a side of frat Wupper, Wupper, Wuppers. All right, we should end up to hear.

We're so stupid. Excuse me, that should just be where it comes. You just, just kind of wopper.