Adeptus Ridiculous - WHITE SCARS - FOR THE EMPEROR AND THE KHAN! | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:20 Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantes and I have been learning about all of the most ridiculous things in Warhammer 40K from my co-host Bricky. But before we get in today's episode, if you want to support the podcast because you enjoy today's episode, heading over to patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous and support the podcast. You'll get access to things like our Discord, blooper reels if they happen, some real sweet HD posters. I won't elaborate on that. You can go check. come out yourself and yeah you're getting a lot of cool stuff in the Discord Patreon.com slash you're Deptis Ridiculous, support the podcast Bricky
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Starting point is 00:03:28 He did a good job. I'm pretty happy. It's a little different than the other ones. It's a little bit more like, I don't know, stylized. Stylistic, yeah. Yeah, I like it a lot. Anywho, DK, you already know what we're doing today. I do.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It should be quite obvious. We did the Primark last time, and now we're doing like the faction overview of the white scar. Yes, sir, and I'll be honest, it was a little hard to get a lot of stuff for this episode, not because there isn't plenty to talk about with the white scars, but because the con's pretty cool, and it was hard making this episode not about con 2.0. I thought you were going to say it was hard to make it because everybody forgot about them.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Well, that's also true. You know, there's no records because we all forgot about them because fuck them. You know, the white scars don't, you know, the white scars don't. They don't deserve this man. The more I read about them, they almost feel like salamanders 2.0, or may not 2.0, maybe like 0.9. Because when you get past all of their Mongolian stuff
Starting point is 00:04:31 and all the, well, Mongolians are, we're known for being quite savage. But the white scars themselves kind of aren't, only really in combat. And once you get past all that stuff, they're actually really nice. We always have this issue that we've always had this to deal with
Starting point is 00:04:48 in the past where you're like, yeah, the salamanders are the good guys. They're really nice. But they're also space marines in the Imperium. So naturally, they're not morally great in a sense. They're just like, we always joke. They're the best of the worst. Yeah, I always joked like, hey, in World War II, this Nazi guy decides to shield a German family from bullets and save their lives.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Like, you can consider that noble, but the guy is, a Nazi. He's still pretty horrible and he's still standing up for a really, really awful cause, but hey, at least he did one good thing. Yeah, it's like that weird moral issue. When everyone's so terrible,
Starting point is 00:05:35 yeah, I don't know. The point being is that they will tend to put their lives above or below the that of civilians, being the salamanders, they tend to put civilian lines higher. The white scar. are sometimes do that also a little bit, I think maybe a little bit less so, but they still are very keen on saving lives and helping people, which is neat.
Starting point is 00:05:57 That is neat, especially for like Astardis and Imperium, because as we said, they're not usually great people that really give the shit about anything other than themselves and the God Emperor and whatever he will, so, yeah. Yeah, it's important because they're obviously like, oh, no, we're, we're big important space marines. We don't care about regular humans. and all that, or like, serfs and servitors. Well, I guess you don't really need to care about servitors,
Starting point is 00:06:23 but about the rest. Servatives are already kind of, yeah. Yeah, they're just brain dead. That being, that being said, though, it's some interesting other little bits of the White Scars culture. That's interesting. I feel like, so someone came to my stream a bit ago and was like, you know, Bricky,
Starting point is 00:06:43 you do realize that the white scars were based on Gengist Kong, not on Caesar's Legion, right? And I'm like, my dude, I know. I'm very aware. Oh, no. The thing is, is that Warhammer has enough history buff boomers in its goddamn fan base. I'm trying to get new people in there. I'm trying to be like, hey, I know, I know Fallout New Vegas.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Yeah, get the Fallout crowd, you know? Yeah, sure, why not? I mean. I mean. Release date. Oh, God. New Vegas is so. Oh my God, it's 11 years old.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Oh, no. Actually, I was expecting more than that, because I remember playing that shit on my 360. Yeah, it came out in 2010. I think I've moved houses three times since New Vegas came out, at least. So, yeah, I was expecting, like, fucking 20 years or something. So I'm pleasantly, I'm okay with 11. I don't feel like... You're okay with 11?
Starting point is 00:07:43 I'm not okay with 11? Yeah, well, you know what? Tough shit. That's what happens when you get old. As you get progressive, it's like, only 10, huh? Well, that's not so bad. No, the student is getting snippy. I'll take it.
Starting point is 00:08:00 I'll take it. But ironically, though, like the concept of what Genghis Khan did, the mixing of tribes to kind of like re-reunite or reform like under an identity. Like I said, I know, this Legion did it from Genghis Kong. I get it, but... He's Genghis Khan, we know. God. He's just trying to bring him. bring in some other historical figures into this.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Come on, guys. I'm sure someone in the comments said the same thing, because I don't read the YouTube comments, because I'm not insane. Oh, God. Yeah, if you read the comment section, oh, boy. If you weren't insane, you're going to be insane. That's the lesson you learned very early on in YouTube. The comment section is a vocal minority of very angry, small people,
Starting point is 00:08:44 and you don't want to read that. Unless it's a meme, because sometimes there are good memes. That's true. That's true. So you see all good comments on a video, chances are you actually did something wrong. Beth. That's fair. Anyway, here's a wonderful White Scars proverb.
Starting point is 00:09:04 The White Scars proverb is, if you can see us, we are dangerous indeed. But that is as nothing to the peril you face if you cannot see us, as all you can hear is our laughter. Oh. I was going to say you shouldn't be able to see a white scar with them zipping around so much
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yeah, they're being so damn fast You can see them but they're just like blurs They're like those white blurs, yep They're like those little squiggly bits That get stuck in your eye fluid And whenever you try to focus on it, it goes away Oh, what the fuck were those? Yeah, the little, yeah, I know those.
Starting point is 00:09:41 I don't know what they're called, but those things, yeah. Yeah. Though it is interesting because unlike Gangus Kong who was a horrible nomadic conqueror and like Uber rapist
Starting point is 00:09:55 He was bad He did a lot of that He however Unlike that The white scars are actually Not like that They are not savages in that sense They don't go around and do it for
Starting point is 00:10:10 Like and kill and murder for the sport or for fun The white scars are have the vibe of being like a barbarian group because of their way of warfare, because of where they came from, because the con and their names and all that. But they're often seen as that barbarian by their other brothers, which is actually something they tend to resent because they are quite the opposite. The con instilled large amounts of imports on like calligraphy, literature and painting Oh
Starting point is 00:10:47 He's like Chigorous Pretty well educated And they're They can do calligraphy Okay They are They are educated in the ways of what I assume would be Chagoras
Starting point is 00:10:58 Because not only did they remove their prior name Some of them even used their prior name As like a surname But because they did their prior Or remove their prior name Create a new one And have all like You know the scar on their face and all that
Starting point is 00:11:12 They are very dedicated to the culture of their homeworld. And so painting, calligraphy, literature, all that kind of stuff, probably philosophy, too. That's something that they all take into pretty high regard. Huh. I was, I don't know why, but I just immediately pictured like full power armor Astardy's white scar, just like with a Bob Ross Afro, just kind of making happy little trees on the canvas. And it amused me greatly. So thank you. Thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:11:43 He's drawing that one image that you always see on YouTube with the samurai, like the samurai yo sound effect. It's just him drawing that in between killing orcs. Oh, yeah, of course. He's painting with the blood of an orc, sure. No, no, he's trimming a bonsai tree, but the tree is orc fungus. I love it, though. He's like stipping it.
Starting point is 00:12:07 That's a wonderful 40K. Dude, that's perfect. Kahn has a little bonsai tree, or maybe a big bonsai tree, in his fucking, in his, his capital ships, like, bridge. And it's just an orc. And he comes up to it, and he, like, snips it a bit. The orcs, like, ah! Oh, that, that's, someone's got to make art of that, right?
Starting point is 00:12:30 Someone's got to make the orc bonsai tree that, uh, the con is just snip, snippin. And he's, like, really proud of it. Like, like, he'll go to his other, his go to his other guys. Like, he goes up to, uh, I guess, named Quinn Zah, which is the Terminator like Captain guy. And he's like, Kin or Quinn, I don't know. Zah will call him Zah. Zah, hey, look, look at my beautiful tree.
Starting point is 00:12:52 He's like, he's got like, tears in his eyes because of how well it's been trimmed and the orcas just there with like the two X's in the tongue. And his ears are sniffed a little bit and he's got little cuts ever. Oh, yeah. It'd be perfect. We need that. So were they seen as barbarians just because like the other Astardis legions didn't like them and they didn't like the way that they fought and they never really interacted with them other
Starting point is 00:13:15 than like, ew, look at the way they fight. They don't do traditional like drop pod stuff and all that. They just, mm, with their bikes and I bet they're savages. I think it's a combination of that and their lack of knowing them because obviously their fight style being so fast and laughing while doing it, especially, is certainly against the natural way of warfare. But I would think that a lot of people our normal pointing to, we always point to Gilliman and Dorn as being the uptight people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:49 So we'll point to them. Gilliman and Dorm probably saw them as, well, one, they came from a world that wasn't like futile, or way, way back at like Renaissance period time. Yeah. But also, kind of keeping those traditions and also the fact that
Starting point is 00:14:07 Gilliman and Dorn most likely freed a lot of worlds that Because a lot of worlds ended up in that period of time because of the age of strife. Because of all the warp storms. So they were probably just... Yeah, they were probably just constantly freeing a bunch of worlds from what they were assumed would be barbarism and barbaric times. And the prime mark here was from one of those worlds and they need to respect him and his beliefs. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:36 And then also... And then also... And then also... And taking them away from that barbarism that someone... that a prime mark would embrace such barbarism and backwater towns probably yeah I guess that would annoy them quite a bit
Starting point is 00:14:49 Also they didn't know them No one paid the white scars any mind And no one gave an effort to learn about them Oh you want to know You want to know a great exchange Yes I do This there is a A wonderful exchange between
Starting point is 00:15:06 Between all the All the brothers are talking together And it's between the con and Fulgrim. Now, you don't know much about Fulgram yet. We always have talked about Fulgram. He's the pretty boy. Yeah, I just know he's a sexy man.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Yeah, we always joke that the hottest of them are like Gila, not Gilliman, um, sanguinius and Sanguinius and Fulgum. And sanguinius is the nice, noble hawk boy, but Fulgroom is like, I'm top shit. I'm hot shit.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Snaps his fingers and his Z formation goes in Beverly Hills. I always see that as Fulgroom and considering the picture that Shai just posted I'm going to consider that even more so
Starting point is 00:15:49 but he's very fucking full of himself no kidding with seeing him like that no kidding oh god that's a slave giving him a scroll isn't it okay cool
Starting point is 00:15:59 I mean they all have a lot of slaves that's true they do that's fair okay though it was they were having a conversation about Horace I think it was about
Starting point is 00:16:09 Horace being elected as war master master. And it's, and I'll read the excerpt. It says, Sanguinius looked at the Khan thoughtfully. I thought you of all of us would feel joy for Horace. The Khan shrugged. He's the best of us. I begrudge him nothing and I have told him so, but it should never have happened. And Fulgram says, so what? It should have been you and Mortarian and was like, ha! Khan, I wouldn't have taken it. Of course you would have.
Starting point is 00:16:35 I have no use for another title. My people give me enough. Sanguania smiled. I think you are most inscrutable of us all. I know what Rogel wants, and I know what Rabutei wants, but even after so long, I have no idea what you want. He wants to be left alone, said Fulgrim, to shoot off into the stars and hunt down Zenos on those delightful jet bikes.
Starting point is 00:16:57 They're devilishly fast, I heard from a contact on Mars. Jagatai, I heard that you do strange things to your ships. The Khan shot him a heavy-litted stare. I heard you do strange things to your warriors. Oh, damn. I can confirm he do. He do strange things to his warriors. Oh, damn.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Kane ain't taken no shit. Fulgroom's slender face briefly flared with ray anger, but sanguineas laughed. I wonder which one of you would win in a duel, the angel muse. I would like to see that. You both handle a blade like gods.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Name the place, brother, Fulgrim said to the con. I'd even travel to Chagoras if you built a palace to keep the dust from my armor. The con felt the insult. It stabbed at him deeply, but his expression never changed. They would never know, none of them, how much their close fraternity rankled him. You would lose, said the con. Fulgroom grinned, but there was something fragile in it. It's like you would lose because you would treat it like a game, like you treat everything.
Starting point is 00:18:06 And I would not. You would lose because you know nothing. of me and I know everything of you because you shout it from the turrets of your battle cruisers. My prowess remains unknown. You have some reputation as a swordsman brother, but I make no boast when I tell you that I would
Starting point is 00:18:20 leave you choking on it. Oh. He ain't taking no shit, man. No shit. I put my money on Jagatai Khan. Oh, I would... There's another thing we'll talk about later that I would absolutely put my money on Khan.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Way more, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's, it's a combination of, like, the enemy that is unknown, you know, commands the greatest fear, because you don't know, because you know con fights fast, but, yeah, you know con fights fast, but he doesn't run around showing his trophies of swordsmanship or anything. I mean, yeah, Fulgram's good. He did kill a Primark, but I assume that.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Oh, yeah, I guess he did, didn't he? As far as I'm concerned, if Kahn wanted to kill Ferris Manus, he could have done it, too, who cares. Khan's never had a chance to kill a prime mark, though, has he? Con only tried to kill Mortyrean in that one duel, and the fact that he was even able to hold his own against Mortarian, who was like twice his height, not really, but very fucking big. And at that time he was a, Mortarian was a demon primark at that time, too, right?
Starting point is 00:19:30 No, he hadn't ascended yet. Oh, okay, gotcha, got you, got you. I think he maybe had a little bit of warp energy in his veins or something, but, I was going to say if he held his own against demon primark Mortarian then it's like whoa That would be also impressive But no Mortarian was the idea of like The unmovable failings
Starting point is 00:19:51 He was nigh unkillable But the con was nigh unhittable Mertarian could barely land a hit on that dude Because he's a blur of motion And Mortarian would get hit a bunch of times And he's like I don't give a shit Shrug that shit off
Starting point is 00:20:05 Watch me face tank everything Oh, mortarium. Oh, mortarium. I'm assuming the con is probably top three in terms of like, everyone always tries to argue who are the best at fighting, the best like swordsmen, the best duelists. Yeah. And I do believe that the con is probably top three.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Ironically. Gilliman won. No, definitely not Gilliman. Oh, who would you put at number one? Oh, I don't know who's, maybe the lion? Oh, okay. We haven't talked enough about the lion yet, but he's a nutty duelist. I think it would be maybe con, lion, and curs.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Because Curz can see the future. Oh, that's true. That's pretty handy. I think Angron is pretty good, but I don't think he's a great duelist. I think Angron's strength lies in like one versus a thousand. Yeah. As opposed to one versus one. He's more about cleaving large, like,
Starting point is 00:21:07 ranks of people, I think. I mean, I don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's fucking good in combat, but... Sure, yeah. Well, if you were dueling Angron, and you were, like, kind of as equal, and he just kept getting angry, wouldn't he eventually just, like, blow his... Die because of his fucking... Yeah, because the spikes, right? So you just...
Starting point is 00:21:24 As long as you can, as long as you can, like, keep up with him, if it's a war of attrition, Angron can't beat you, because he's just going to... He's going to blow his fucking head off. Yep. I don't know You know We said not to This wasn't going to be the con episode
Starting point is 00:21:41 But I told you that I was learning more about the con And I was going to talk more for the con I'm sorry But he's so he like And I feel like this is going to be like the I don't want to say the problem This is going to be like a continuing thing Because it's like
Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah you want to talk about the faction But how do you talk about the faction Without talking more about the primark That was originally why we only did the one episode Because of that Yeah Because it's like you kind of To understand the group
Starting point is 00:22:03 You kind of have to understand the prime mark And it's like you know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. That wasn't exactly the reason why, well, I mean, that's the reason I made that, I did that little excerpt right there is because it shows, one, Kahn's great duelist, but also,
Starting point is 00:22:20 two, the fact that the white scars are not known well, and that's actually one of their great strengths. Right. Because I fully believe that Kahn could have killed Fulgrim. Absolutely. Because Fulgrim knew nothing of the Kahn, because he doesn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Because Fulgram, the only thing Fulgum cares about is himself. And he was bros with Farris, but he's just a prick. You can't prepare for Khan. He couldn't properly prepare for a duel with Khan. And Khan is just like, yeah, I've seen you fight like a billion times and all that shit you say, I know what you're going to do. Fuck it. I'll kill you.
Starting point is 00:22:58 Yeah. I mean, I like his stoic confidence. Back to more of the White Scar stuff, though. Often the White Scars' names themselves are, they're very much like a Mongolian culture, of course, very much like Mongolian and Turkish. Or, is it Turkic? Whatever. Yeah, sure. People from Turkey.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Yeah, the names are very much like, Kailik, Jagol, Ogil the Swift, Ulligwe, Yahu Gal. I'm part of my butchering all of these, but Chogon, the Iron Stampede, Sahari, the Thunderhead, Like, lots of those things. One of the really interesting ones was Quinzah, quinjah. I don't remember how to say his name properly. They definitely take a little bit of inspiration from multiple Asian-centric areas.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Sometimes they go a little bit harder into the Japanese stuff. Kind of similar how you and I learn about the night lords, and it's not just Russia. There's like Polish, Ukrainian. There's a lot of, like, a lot of other Eastern European countries
Starting point is 00:24:02 that kind of go with it. Right. Romanian. So they have a little bit of the back and forth there too. Kunza was the master of the Kesheg, which is the White Scars Terminator Elite, similar to how the Death Shroud were the or the Atrementar, were the Terminator elite of other groups. The one that Shai just posted, that's the White Scars.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Oh, that's the guy right there, Kinzah, Quinzal. I was about to ask if that's a picture of their Terminator armor. It is kind of. a picture of like the the, that's the guy. Oh, okay. That is the Quinzaw guy, however he say his name. I was going to say usually like the Terminator armor looks a little different,
Starting point is 00:24:44 little bulkier, a little cooler. And I always like to see what the different faction like Terminator Armors look like, whether it's Chaos or Imperium. They usually look a lot more, like, tanky and different and a lot more, you know, not cooler than the regular dudes. They do. I think this is 30K armor because I think he, I believe Quinzaa, whatever, I think he's dead. But as you can tell from his armor bits though, both because of, well, maybe that's
Starting point is 00:25:12 a little much the sword. But if you look at his shoulder pads and his side, it has that kind of multi-layered samurai armor. It totally reads samurai, yeah. Yeah. So it gets a little bit of the other kind of variation. Because like, you know, Tao shoulder pads also have that big static singular piece that goes along with the Japanese samurai. But that one as well works more in the, to a sword-fighting character because, ironically, the Tao went the Gundam route and the shooty route, whereas samurai
Starting point is 00:25:42 I mean, they were pretty good with bows, don't get me wrong, but they, you know, everyone knows of them. They're mostly known for their samurai swords and their dueling skill and, yeah, being excellent blade... Running around with their katanas and nodoshis and all that stuff. Yep. Which, by the way,
Starting point is 00:25:57 katana is a shit to your sword compared to the nodachi. I'm just going to say that right now. The natashi is fucking cool. Aren't they like six feet long and it's really hard to actually like wield one in combat? Is that the Nogad? They were usually, I think they were usually yord for, uh, yord, ha, used for anti-cavalry, I believe. That makes sense because it's so long you could like stab someone off their horse without like getting in there. Or the horse.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Or the horse, that's true. You know. I think I'm not, you know, unlike, unlike most Warhammer fans, I'm not as big of a history buff. But yeah, the Odachi and Adashi were fucking huge. Yeah. But regardless, the white scar is obviously taking that culture and the names from Chagoras. A sign that I actually messed up with in the last episode, I did this wrong. When the emperor came to pick up Jagatai and all that, he had the concept that what the emperor was doing was a good idea.
Starting point is 00:26:56 It's like, and I said that that was the imperial truth, that he really liked the imperial truth. That was wrong. the concept of humanity you know doing their conquering having them doing their stuff like he's cool with that the imperial truth is the idea that humanity should
Starting point is 00:27:14 conquer everything and everyone and bring them all under the rule of the emperor in the Imperium he did not like that he very much hated that actually he thought the emperor was a big stinky liar and kind of a piece of shit sometimes and he had multiple talks
Starting point is 00:27:30 with Malkodore about that and Malkudor was like yeah Malkador is like, yeah, it's a lie. We're lying to everyone, but it's had a necessity. Look what the fucks have been going on. You know, you might see the emperor is Mr. All-Powerful Amazing Man, but he is constantly fighting off things you can barely understand
Starting point is 00:27:48 while running in a galaxy-spanning empire while being him. It's not as easy as it may seem. Yeah, that's, I suppose at the time Biggie's job is not easy. No, and that's maybe something that we don't really give him. enough credit for because we're always like, Biggie, look what you've done. Look how you treat Angron, you piece of shit. You're a bad dad. Bad dad, but I can't say that there really does need, I mean, we are right on that one. He was a piece of shit for that.
Starting point is 00:28:18 He was an awful dad. He could have prevented so, so much bloodshed and like, oh, geez, like every, every demon primark and every like chaos, astardy faction, it's like all of this could have been prevented very easily. but just not being a shit dead. You know what have been a really good book that may be kind of hard to write, but it would be a,
Starting point is 00:28:41 I think would be a smart idea. Having the emperor, like a little backstory about his degradation of his morals, like perhaps really early on fixing up Terra, he was actually rather sympathetic, very kind to civilians,
Starting point is 00:28:57 like all matters. And then with time, he had to make really rough decisions. perhaps that decision with the Thunder Warriors was actually weighed incredibly hard on his conscience and it really fucked him up and ever since then perhaps he's like slowly become more robotic and less sympathetic
Starting point is 00:29:15 and less human the degradation of his morality and turning more into like a machine would actually be I think it would fit it would make sense yeah that would be a good read though
Starting point is 00:29:30 like if the emperor actually started out like with all of his wits and he's super kind and he's super generous and then just slowly as time goes on it's like he just degrades into sort of the the biggie that we all know that's a bad dad and and he doesn't like see himself as a bad dad he's just making these calculated decisions that seem like the right thing to do with the right time and he's been he's he's had thousands upon thousands of years of of you know mental and moral damage and at some point he's just becomes kind of a hollow shell. We have not read Master of Mankind.
Starting point is 00:30:10 That might make it easier. They might do some more stuff like that. Ooh, it's written by Dembsky Bowden. Let's go. Maybe I do need to read it. I've not read that yet. I was going to say maybe after the Night Lords and after the fun book,
Starting point is 00:30:23 maybe we have our next contender, eh? I mean, after the Night Lord's books, we got to read Kai, Kai, Kai, Kifis Kane, Hero of the Imperium. So we'll see. Anyway, on a side note, back to the con stuff, there's actually a nice quote that I think amplifies also the saving people aspect of the white scars that I was mentioning earlier. So it was something about the, about them fighting together to stop Horace. I think this is where this context comes from. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:55 I might be wrong in the time frame, but the point still stands. It says, quote, I anticipated slaughter long ago, said, Dorn, and I regret that his chain of events come to pass, but we cannot respond to whatever provocation Horace presents to us. We cannot let ourselves be lured out. We cannot follow his plan. We will make ourselves weak. Then all is lost.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Since when was saving mankind from the darkness a sign of weakness, said the Khan. Sanguineas, my brother and comrade. What do you see? Lend me your foresight. Sanguinius shut his eyes. Like that, he appeared drawn and tired. A funerary moment, monument to himself. Doren suppressed a shudder.
Starting point is 00:31:33 My sight is not so clear as fathers, said Senguinius. The future is ever in flux. Only some events, he paused, finding the words hard to say. Only some events are certain. Do you see me? What will be the consequences of inaction? I see fire and blood and a world laid waste if you do not act. And if I act, said the con.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Senguinius opened his eyes to look at him. There is a grave risk to you, a confrontation unlooked for, and if you survive, a flight from one danger will into greater peril. Who will I face? I cannot divine. Will I save lives? Sanguinius nodded, many. That is what I was made for, said the con.
Starting point is 00:32:14 I will ride out. And then he leaves. That's really cool. It's like, well, I, like, shit's going to get really bad. Like, you know, three primarcs are going to die. Myself, Ferris, and Horace. It's like, but will I save many lives? Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:33 My decision is final. I'm gone. Damn. That's a heroic quote. That should be like, hey, do you want to know what the con stands for? That. Because that's big. And what the white scars stand for.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Yeah. It's strange that the dudes flying on Mach 5 on motorbikes laughing their asses off as they cleave aliens and people alike. And then they're like, no, please. women and children into the shuttles first. Come on, come on. Damn, I guess I didn't realize how much they cared about like saving civilians and saving like people and just
Starting point is 00:33:11 being upstanding like that. Because like you said, like when you think of the white scars and zooming around laughing and killing, it's like, okay, like they're just in it for the blood thrill and they don't really fucking care. But nope. No, they're noble.
Starting point is 00:33:26 You think that they're the savage Mongolians. Do you think they're the Gangus Kong era people? But they're really not. They also have really little regard for the ecclesiarchy and the Imperial Creed. They think the whole emperor as a god is a whole bunch of mega horse shit, which makes them... And they'd be right. Which makes them, as the kids like to say, pretty based.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Oh, my God. I thought you were going to say pretty woke, but yeah, I guess they are pretty based. Sure. And you could do woke. to, whatever. You could, yeah. Cringe detected. Oh, God. No, they believe they are white-pilled and based.
Starting point is 00:34:08 No. They actually believe that the destruction of all the enemies of the Imperium is actually instead to help prepare the emperner, what the fuck am I up to today? Prepare the emperor. Your empanadas is with the brought. Dude, empanadas are killer. They love empanadas.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Oh, God. Don't put him in front of me, though, because I like the whole fucking plate. Same. But anyway, they're going to go ahead and destroy all the enemies in the Imperium so that when the emperor will eventually one day rise from the golden throne and reunite the galaxy. That's kind of their mentality is that one day he's going to, one day he's just going to decide, you know what, being crippled is cringe, and he's just going to stand up. Yep, being crippled is so cringe.
Starting point is 00:35:03 I'm just going to stand my skeleton ass up off this throne and let's get down to business. Yeah, sure. Also, the couple of things interesting about their armor is that the lightning bolt on their armor is actually has a dual purpose. It's both to signify the speed of their tactics, the lightning bolt means go fast.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah, yeah. And also it honoring the scars that they wear on their faces. So because they have all of their facial scarring, it kind of adds that. The lightning bolt often on their helmet is to signify that they actually have the scar beneath their helmet. It also is to pay homage to the stormers. So another interesting thing that not people know, many people know is that white scars are actually pretty down with the psychers. Oh, really? they have they were instrumental in establishing the librariansius remember him i think it was sanguineus and magnus
Starting point is 00:36:02 that's right they were i forgot all i just assumed devery astorne's fucking hated psychers no like rule eaters do night lords aren't a fan either mortarian definitely not but not all of them no the white scars psychers are actually they're very interesting because they all have their own style. Like, salamander, psychers do have, like, firepowers and stuff, which is kind of cool. They have, like, fireballs and shit.
Starting point is 00:36:31 That is good. They've got a really cool ability called Drake Skin, where they, like, create this, like, layered dragon protection over their bodies. It's fucking nemo. Oh, they're, like, D&D mages. Okay. Yeah. I mean, psychers are just mages.
Starting point is 00:36:44 They're just wizards in a sense. But they are a lot bigger into, like, blasts of wind and storms. often storm psychers are more for space wolves which are you know Spacewolves don't think psychers exist or something It's really funny Well Space Wolf just hate psychers and magic in general Because Lehman Rush is a big dumb jock
Starting point is 00:37:07 That just wants to punch people in the face right? It's a bit of a It's a short version of events But you got the right idea Okay cool The general Until you flesh it out when we eventually do Space Wolves, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Okay. Yeah, I'll go with that. But the White Scar Cychrist are known as the Storm Sears. They have, like, giant gusts of wind energy. They create, like, tornadoes and huge hurricanes and shit. Like, the really powerful stuff. Often, they'll just go up to someone and just fucking backblast them, like a right-click from a pyro and Team Forgers 2.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Or sometimes they'll even do that to their own troops, which is great. Oh, to make it go fast? I think they have a psychic power in game that gives them plus two to all their advance in charge roles, which is Since they can advance in charge is like a huge deal They go to their- So they just traverse the whole map just by casting the spell on someone? I'm just imagining like a jet bike flying in the air and And he turns around like, give me a push on goal McCog or whatever and then the storm steer goes Well, bam and he's like
Starting point is 00:38:16 40 front flips into the enemy He's like laughing be great that's terrifying to see a jet bike just like you thought I was going fast before
Starting point is 00:38:28 hit the extra jump jet and the guy just like flips him forward with a spell and you'll never catch me mortarian not when I switch into maximum overdrive
Starting point is 00:38:38 you don't get that reference because it's a sponge bob yeah sorry I don't watch SpongeBob I was gonna I was gonna say you could do a fast and furious thing where you know
Starting point is 00:38:49 he kicks in the gnaws and family. Backwood Fast and Furious was about racing. Oh, that's right. You imagine it's like a white scar Marine. He's sitting on like the swings at a playground. And he's like, push me, Ogle. And he hits him.
Starting point is 00:39:02 He just like goes around like does 360s five times until he gets stuck on the swings. It's like, yeah, let's go. I didn't even imagine him getting hit. I just imagine like a little white scar child and then like a storm sear behind him. It's like, daddy, push me. And he like literally cast like a fucking tornado
Starting point is 00:39:19 that just sends the kid flying like the chains on the swing break and he just sends him flying like across the fucking I don't know he sends him like a mile away and all the other white scars are like yeah the other white scars like first one to go pick up oh shag wins and they all start sprinting yeah it's a race to go pick up the kid yeah um actually that's interesting speaking of things that are slow uh did you know that the white scars I might have this wrong they either don't have any Or they absolutely disdain dreadnots. Really? They detest dreadnots.
Starting point is 00:39:58 They believe that when a warrior... Well, when a warrior dies, their soul should be freely traveling the afterlife, and it should not be confined. It should float on like the planes of the afterlife or whatever. So I don't know if they have zero dreadnots, because obviously you can take White Scars dreadnots in the game, and I feel it would be kind of weird if that was the case.
Starting point is 00:40:21 But if they do have dreadnoughts, they have like a teeny, teeny, tiny amounts. They detest the use of dreadnoughts. I guess if their philosophy is, yeah, the soul should roam free on death. Yeah, I guess they probably would be pretty not big fans of dreadnots. I guess dreadnots would be pretty, uh, pre-cringe. Am I right for?
Starting point is 00:40:42 It's pretty cringe. Yeah, cringe detected. Uh, with dreadnots. We know, we know. We know of one dreadnought and his name is Malcarian and he is not a happy man. No, he is not. He only woke up because he heard bolterfire. Bolter fire. What a Chad. What a guy. What a guy.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Yeah, I guess because GW says that they're, yeah, GW has official white scar dreads. So I guess that perhaps if the warrior's final wish is to still be in a dreadnought and still serve, then I guess that's, you know, they probably wouldn't, tell him no. But, yeah, they do not like dreadnoughts, though. They're ugly-looking, it looks like a fucking egg. That's called the contemptor. That's called the contemptor dreadnought. It is also known as...
Starting point is 00:41:33 I was like, their dreadnought is Humpty-dumpty. Like, what the fuck? It's because of the white paint. And it's also really, like, rounded everywhere, and it's just... Because most dreadnots are, like, big old fucking rectangles with feet. but this one is just so rounded and weird looking. Dude, could you imagine if they put a guy in a dreadnop, but they replaced his legs with like tires?
Starting point is 00:41:59 Man, that's what they should have done. So it's kind of like a monster truck. Exactly. Like I was imagining like, what is it? Is it the Lord of Skulls that's on like the tank bottom? Yeah, yeah. Like do that except with like these big old monster truck wheels and you put that thing on top of it.
Starting point is 00:42:18 and just goes mock speed, everybody would want to be a dreadnought. Go fast, even in death, right? Oh, it'd be great. Even in death, the speed force will not stop me. My name is Jagatai Khan. I'm the fastest man alive. That'd be great. Oh, shit, what is that?
Starting point is 00:42:36 That's someone's kipash of a dreadnought with wheels. See, you do something like that for a white skirt. It's like, oh, hey, maybe these dreadnots sounds so bad. Yeah. It's true. It's very true. It's also interesting because the white scars, I think they're actually a lot more keen on killing Xenos
Starting point is 00:42:55 than they are keen on killing other imperial or chaos-based people. I'm trying to remember why. Because that was the one thing... If they were chaos traitors, I mean, maybe because it's like, oh, you were once our brother and we don't really want to kill you, and we're such nice people, but Zeno's scum can get fucked,
Starting point is 00:43:15 and they were never good, and they're always awful. maybe? I mean, they really like killing orcs. I know that. I know they really like killing orcs. They're a big fan of that. Is there any specific reason just because they're a difficult enemy
Starting point is 00:43:30 or it's fun to fight them or they just like killing or... I actually don't really know. That's a great question. Dang it, it's simultaneously difficult to do research on the white scars because they don't like to be known very well. we'll just say it's because they can run over lots of orcs
Starting point is 00:43:49 there is a story about the con fighting orcs if you want to hear that story of course I do of course you do of course I do they're doing this big fight against its large orc group and it was I think it was a part of the main primark book
Starting point is 00:44:08 called the Warhawk of Chagoras so if you really want to read that book I guess spoilers but So him, he was making, I haven't read it myself, but he was on his way to go fight a bunch of orcs and there's big orcdialia, whatever. And one of his, I think his first, like, con guys, a close friend, someone important, this guy named Giahun, I think it says his name. He died. A war boss killed him and he hit magma, lava, and his power pack exploded igniting into a big bubble of flame. and everyone kind of stopped
Starting point is 00:44:44 like all the white scars just halted like with other disbelief that this guy is dead and even the orcs kind of were like what was going on was ozog and the primark I guess they had a big thing raging amount of love and everything around them and the primark
Starting point is 00:45:01 con kind of looked and he said two words he said pull away and all of the white scars and the lunewals they were fighting with withdrew backwards. And then the con changed his demeanor to a, from like a big kind of flamboyance. I don't want to use the word flamboyance
Starting point is 00:45:22 because that's fulgroom, but a more like flamboyant fighting style to a, quote unquote, nightseer menace. And it says he swung his sword about him languidly, loosening up, cutting the air into whispers, and the orcs themselves hung back.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Bellows snuffed out, bravado shaken into wariness. And then he started to run. And then he started to accelerate faster and faster and faster. And he started to swing his sword in a speed that was like barely registering to even the Astardis naked, the Astardy's eyes. Oh. And it says, under the gathering shot of elemental vendetta, it says he killed them all. If he had slain freely before and now the carnage was so complete that it scraped the boundaries of both the divine and the diabolite.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Even the war-hardened Astardis used to witnessing prodigal exercises of violence were completely silenced by it The orcs never laid a claw on him He so singled single man Dance through giant hordes of orcs Slaughtering them consistently as the screams of the orcs would start to Be like transmitted over the Ways whatever the help Yeah the boxcasters or whatever
Starting point is 00:46:42 One of the Luna wolves wanted to try to join him, and then the, and then the Quinzog-Keshay guy was like, no, only observe. It says, the con was almost invisible, hidden behind a curtain of severed flesh and thrown blood. A primordial force burning through the Zenos ranks, invalible and darkly magnificent. For the first time in the campaign, the green skin started to run, to scramble away from the devil that tried to devour them, and as they turned cowering in the shadows with their backs carved open and necks broken
Starting point is 00:47:16 they cowered into the building in which then the con entered the building and kept going and none of his armies followed him all that emerged in the far side of the gate were alien screams one after the other overlapping and smothering a chorus of terror and panic
Starting point is 00:47:36 that went on and on and on and never relented and after a while became impossible to listen to. Oh my God. The dudes, the dudes like, forgive me, master. I have to go all out one last time. Whoa. To make the orcs turn their backs and flee in terror,
Starting point is 00:48:03 that's a, that's, wow. He's a good swordsman. I think you would have bought him. He may not body Fulgroom, but he would have hurt Fulgram. Yeah, I think he would have fucked Fulgram. If he went all out against Fulgram, I don't, oh boy, yeah. When you said top three, yep, mm-hmm, agreed. Though comically, when you first said that, for some reason I just pictured like the BART meme
Starting point is 00:48:31 where he's like, I'm going to throw my fist in the air like this. If you get hit, it's your own fault. And he's just walking forward like that. That's, I don't know why I picked. Just little Barton like some Astardy's power armor with a sword. I like the idea of Lisa. He's like, he's so, oh, Jagatai, so predictable. Going to use his jet bike for the battle.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Good old jet bike never fails. There's actually a little bit of a discussion after that part too, where the con, for a while, after the battle, the Khan kind of sat down with the leader of the Kesheg, the Kwan Zagai. Yeah. For a while they didn't say much. But then the Khan said, it was weakness, he said at last. Like, no one says it, Quinn Zah replied, calm as ever.
Starting point is 00:49:17 I've lost warriors before, but he was with us at the start. It had to happen sooner or later. Did it? Nothing is eternal. Some things are a good blade, the wind on skin, an oath. The con let slip a crooked smile. Just what would make you angry then, Zah? He asked, if you became insubral.
Starting point is 00:49:38 some way, like other men, the master of the Kesheg said, if you had seen him die and not done what you did, if you would let one of them, just one, live, then Kagan, I would have been angry. Wow. So it's like, yeah, you did the right thing there, Khan. If you let a single orc leave, I would have been like, wow, you a bitch. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, to be expected of the Khan and the white scar. you know, so...
Starting point is 00:50:09 This was just con episode 2.0. Yeah, 2.0. That... God, that's a... That's so crazy. Like, to go through that many orcs like that is fucking wild. Holy shit. It's pretty cool. The white scars are some badass, dastardly ass dudes, and they are really, really cool.
Starting point is 00:50:33 I am very pleased with how they've come out. as knowledge has resurfaced and as I've learned more about them it's pretty cool I love them quite a bit now they might not still have my favorite lesion or anything but they're
Starting point is 00:50:49 I have a lot of respect for the white scars especially people who are like die hard white scars fans because I see a lot of people playing white scars because they're strong in like a meta I don't really see a lot of like die hard live and die white scar guys
Starting point is 00:51:06 with tons of speeders, bikes, and, like, librarians. Yeah. So I am very pleased with them. I don't have anything else. I didn't want to go too long for this episode. I wanted to just talk about some cool shit I found and some cool white scars stuff. I'm sure there's more,
Starting point is 00:51:24 but if there's diehard white scars fans that know more, well, you know what, you keep it to yourself because the white scars would do the same. Or you can leave it in the comments, and we won't read it. And I won't read it anyway. Shy might, though. Shy might, she might.
Starting point is 00:51:44 But if it's a bad one, you might end up as a meme on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on. Yeah, for a night we about to get down. Yeah, you're probably gonna get fucked anyway, so yeah, yeah, true. Anyway. Anyway, I this, any questions on the white scars, D.K. So no questions, but I. I. I was surprised because, because, because, like, we were. were saying it's like, oh yeah, they're kind of like Mongolians. So I was like, oh, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:09 Gangus Khan, they're probably all fucking brute savages and, oh, they're laughing as they're slaughtering. It's kind of cool to find out that they're all about, you know, they're really cultured, uh, they do calligraphy, they do painting, they do philosophy. They're all about protecting the civilians. It's kind of cool to have like your, um, your perception of, of a Legion just totally one-aided from what you expect and find out they're actually pretty good, they're pretty good guys. All right. Well, that seems to end our episode. Thank you everyone so much for watching. Do be sure to check out the merchandise, the new merch.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Also, over at Orkate.com. My husband Bricky, you can find me at Bricky. I stream like almost daily. Come check it out. We're playing Bloodbored and Fallout. Let's go. DK. Where can they find you?
Starting point is 00:52:55 And what are you playing? DK. Diamanties everywhere except Instagram, Twitch.com. Twitch.com. What am I playing? I've been playing the back for Blood Beta a little bit. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I think it's over by the time this video goes up though. Shai, what is that?
Starting point is 00:53:14 Oh, that's the laughing guy with the- It's the Kek-W meme. What do you find that? Jagatai Kek! No! Jagatai Kek! No, TK-K-that's supposed to be my thing! No, you can find Shai-Quite, Quiet, Shai, Chalk. White show. Cut the feeds.
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