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Episode Date: July 27, 2022

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Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, my co-host is Bricky. Our super special co-co-host today is Kirioth. But we'll get into all that in just a second. If you enjoy today's episode of the podcast, consider supporting us over at patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to our Discord, bloopers if they happen, some sick posters at the $15 tier. and if we hit 17K on the Patreon, 17K month,

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It's amazing because Little Guy memes are great and anyone who thinks so is cringe. So anyway, D.K., our beautiful American podcast has been infiltrated once again because it seems that no one can make Games Workshop content without getting the Brits involved. Hey, Kiraoth, how's it going? It's nice to be out of the wall again.

I liked the little window that you installed. That was nice, even if it does only face the toilet, which was a weird choice. But, you know, it's nice to get some fresh air. Listen, man, how many people are in the house? You and me, because you're in the wall. So if I'm going to drop a deuce, there's got to be two. That's it.

I mean, and also everyone knows it's better with an audience, right? That's how that works. Yeah. I mean, if your only windows to the toilet, are you really getting fresh air? Well, it was really nice when you could commentate on my bowel movements, you know, like an e-sports commentator. Oh, God, I hate that. Throw back to a bit of Starcraft 2 casting, but just for that.

Just like, oh man, he's morphing into banlings. Anyway, yes, our topic today. So, resident word bears simp, book of Lorgar, profiteer Kirioth is here to assist and provide insight onto our wordbearers episode today that always follows from our Primark episodes we also just finished up the first

heretic so there's much to discuss because if I'm not mistaken that is your favorite 40K book right? It is yeah I read it enough that the covers fell off so yeah I like I like that one a lot It just became like a comfort read. Like I didn't want to read something new, but I wanted to read a book, and I just default back to the first heretic because of how good it is. Also, it does have the best, worst character in the entirety of 40K, with Erebus being there.

So, you know, it's got a little bit of everything. He doesn't have too much of a overall, like, presence in the book. He's only there for a bit, but. is. You can feel his, you can feel his like creepy, underhanded, garbage influence kind of throughout, though, which I quite like, essentially anything bad that happens, I'd just put it down

to Erebus, because that's just the, that's the vibe he gives, you know? Corferro is a piece of shit, too. I was about to say, Corfaron's pretty fucking up there. He's a real bastard. He's just a couple steps below Erebus. Yeah, I feel like he's, I feel like he's more in your face, a piece of shit though. Like he, he, you

like instantly it's a case of, well, this guy is clearly awful and we should hate him. Erebus is like, he's more slippery than that. He has kind of redeeming moments and he's very chummy with with everyone else, whereas Corfeyron is outwardly just not nice

to people. A douchebag, yeah. Yeah. That's true. Aribus is underhanded. Corfarin is just a flat out douche. No one even in the beginning when they were sitting in the ashes of a narqueo. Wasn't it Zafin was like, I don't like that guy. Yeah.

I like that. Just straight away, it's like, we know he's wrong and we know he's got issues. That's just, that's what we need. Yep. You can do about it because he's these, these little girl's Papa, adopted Papa, but whatever. Yeah, so, and I'm actually kind of surprised that First Heritage is your number one. I mean, it's a pretty darn good book, but it was a very, it was very light book. I mean, it's very long, but it's not, it's not like, it's not.

like too bombastic. It's very subtle. There's not a whole lot of crazy shit that happens overall. Well, besides the drop site massacre, but that's like at the end. Yeah. I think it's there's a lot more, there's a lot more focus on like, it really explores characters that book. It makes the word bearers like very human compared to some of the other legions

especially Lorgar, like Lorgaar being a prime mark and being kind of, let's be honest, an insecure mess. I don't know. I found that very relatable, to be perfectly honest with you. So I think a big part of it is like watching this guy clearly struggle with the fact that he's meant for so much more, but he just wants to, he just wants the truth. That's all he wants. He wants honesty. He wants transparency.

He wants to know what the deal is. And that makes him incredibly vulnerable to being manipulated and messed with, which he is throughout. But I don't know. I really like that. I really like that aspect of it. It feels like quite a calm book in terms of how much like fighting and how many battles and how much action there is. But it really goes pretty, it goes pretty hard into what makes the word bearers the word bearers, which I really like. Yeah, it does.

I mean, when you have your faith completely broken and shattered and burned to ashes, you're going to be a little vulnerable. Yeah, you're going to be a little, yeah, definitely. Just a little vulnerable Just a little vulnerable Just a little vulnerable Not a lot of vulnerable Just a little vulnerable Just a little bit

Just the next shirt Just the next Just the next shirt. Just the next Just a little vulnerable And it's just Lorgars With his like little Aluminor Mace Yeah

I did enjoy the little Flashback they had with Ferris Manus Ferris Manus Like here's this Mace for helping me I don't know much like you Bye Yeah out of here.

There's one like the exchange from that where Lorgar says one wonders if you, is it, one wonders if you're capable of

creating rather than destroying or something along those lines and Ferris just goes one wonders if you're capable of anything worthy at all.

It's just like, ouch, wow, harsh. Just shut your brother down like that, Jesus. Oh, we're getting cat called by shy. She said, well maybe you should

explain what word bears are because this isn't the fucking book Club episode. This is absolutely. The first heretic is absolutely the word bearers episode. Okay. It is absolutely.

That is 100%. Also, I think, I remember this good, um, there's a good quote by Gilman who talks about Lorgar or something. And he's like, not mean to Lorgar's overly, but he's like, yeah, he's, he's passionate. Like, God zeal, quick to anger, like a child. Yeah. And I'm like, um. Oh, Lordor.

Fine, we'll talk about the fucking word bears on the fucking word bears episode. Fine. We were talking about the word bears, to be fair. That's all that book is about is basically how they turn to chaos. It is. So, well, you know, Word Bears, 17th Legion, Primark Lorgar. Currently demon, Primark Lorgar, which has been horrendously underrepresented, I must admit. It's because he hasn't done anything.

He sat in his tower He just literally What's it? What is it called? The Templum in Fisio I think is what it's called. He's just big temple On a demon world

Where he just Sits there I guess And worst it was chaos And I mean that's I think that's pretty much Mostly what he's done

I think he's opened A couple of portals If I remember right But apart from that He's kind of languished A bit since the heresy He just took his toys went home and has been sitting there ever since having a good old praying session.

He is kind of doing the monk thing. He is, yes. His whole thing seemed to be like, oh no, I don't have anyone to worship anymore. What am I going to? And that's what kind of like spurred him into motion, you know? And then he found his thing to worship. And he's like, well, I don't need to fight anymore. Because he's, Lorgar seems to not be a great fighter, because that just doesn't seem to be his schick.

So he's just like, I don't need to fight. I'm just going to worship chaos, you know? I mean, yeah, he's still like a primark. He's still like a primark. He can fight pretty fucking well. He just, if he were to take him in... Yeah, if he was fighting non-primarks. Yeah, if you were to take him to one-v-one any other primark, he'd probably lose.

Yeah. Although, you do, you do log Arr ascended out of the hook. Well, the previous Horacey rule set and give him the right stuff, and he can go toe-to-to-to-prim pretty much everyone. But that's cheating, because that's when he's got all his mad, psychic nonsense that he spent most of his life without, let's be honest. The entire Great Crusade, he had no idea what the hell he was doing, which... I've got on hearing the voices calling his name, and he's like, stop!

You put him away. The demon world... The demon world you mentioned, I have that here. It was called, it's called Sikaris, I believe. And I remember reading a little bit about how the atmosphere is fire and blood, because of course it is. it is it is a rolling sky

of fire and blood covered in in cathedrals temples sorry the atmosphere is not sky and blood the sky is fire and blood like you're not breathing in fire and blood it's a demon world it's a demon worlds

they don't like they don't do the whole like the normal physics laws of physics clouds of fire reign of blood is that that type of thing pretty much yeah yeah I mean there's a demon world that is a giant dude in a ball that...

Oh, we haven't talked about... We haven't talked about the dude in the ball yet. We haven't talked about that demon world yet. Okay, I want to... That's the Sunnish one, right? But I really don't want to spoil that episode. Yeah, that needs to be a whole thing in an episode dedicated to that sort of thing.

But it's a great example of how demon worlds don't really... They're not like... They don't respond to physics properly, so you can have worlds that are, For instance, the sky is made of fire and it rains blood constantly, but you can still walk around and breathe and you're perfectly fine because demon world, you can do what you like. Fair enough. I mean, I guess there's probably going to be too many humans on that world anyway, so you just got... Oh, you would be surprised. Oh, you are wrong.

Oh, well, I guess, I guess like human slaves and torture victims. Okay, now you're right. Here's that... They have a photo of it down here that you wanted to click on. Yeah, good old Sikaris has millions upon millions upon millions of slaves because they have to toil and build

their gigantic cathedrals and spires to the dark gods because word bearers Wow, that is a hell of an image. Yeah, God. Pretty cool, it's pretty cool, right? Yeah, I mean, that's pretty metal.

That looks like it could very easily be the cover of some like death metal band's a new single. They even have bats in the air. Yeah, they even have bats in the air. That sky doesn't look like it's on fire, though. It doesn't look like it's raining blood. Yeah, but look.

But look, the temple on the top right has a face and it's very mad. Hey! He's shouting sermons from Lorgar. But yeah, Lorgar is in the, what was a temple? infisio, he's just been in there for the last 10,000 years, kind of waiting and praying and like constant

contemplation and also being bothered by Corvus Corax for a little bit. And I think... Yeah, Corvus Corvus Corvus Barthes Boddied the shit out of him. I think he's out. I think in Curd-40K, he's out back in real space leading crusades. Yeah, I think he is actually I think he's finally got off his ass and he is doing things now

but he's not really properly like shown up in the way that like Magnus or Mortarian has all the way that Angron's going to but yeah it's a bit the whole like that whole demon world is great because it talks about how it talks about how they are constantly raising like cathedrals and temples and churches

and all sorts of things for devotion and worship, but because they keep raising new structures, the structures are like building on existing ones. So like the majority of buildings on that planet are like subterranean. They're technically like below ground because other cathedrals have been built on top of the ones that already existed endlessly, which makes it so much worse than it would otherwise be. Because it means the guys building this stuff, like the millions upon millions of humans who are having to do this

work, I'm assuming when they're not working, if they're ever not working, they just live in the dark underground in stuff that the previous wave of slaves built before they all died, and this lot arrived to just build more stuff on top, which is

I mean, that's like, that's peak word bearers, right? Just building cathedrals endlessly on top of each other. It's going to say it's just peak 40K in general, building cathedrals on top of cathedrals. Why does she have so many cathedrals on it? Because fuck you. That's the fun part about the word bears, though.

They're like, the word bears are act really similar to modern 40K loyalists. Because the loyalists have degradated, like, have really gone downhill overall with their legion and beliefs. Because the word bears were the ones that have like chaplains. and chapters and all these cathedrals and shit. And then now they're like dark apostles instead of chaplains and the like. But now regular 40K chapters have chaplains. And their bases are giant fortress cathedrals and shit.

And they're made out of chapters instead of legions. And it's kind of like the, they're kind of just like the, they're probably the most similar in how they operate. Or not operate, but like their What's it called? Like their approach to worship and devotion And you just worship other things Instead of having like

Servitors and the like you have crazed out lunatics With chaos icons and a giant Blaming book. Look, that guy's book is burning and it's also bleeding. It is! Oh, that's it, who is that? Is it just a word bear? It's a dark apostle.

Yeah. Oh, just the Dark Apostle. That's the new Dark Apostle model with his cultists. I love the guy with the book. A big loud speaker that's been sewn into his face. It's so bad. I love those. Those are great.

Yeah, the Dark Apostles are a really good new kit. And also in the 9th edition 40K, they are very good. Yeah? You can be seen some Word Bear armies popping up? word bears might be the strongest army in the game or for CSM right now. They are laughably powerful, as it should be. They are ludicrous. The only army that comes even close is Black Legion,

and I think that's only because of Abyon, because Avedon is a bad man. I always feel so bad for Abadon. He always gets shit on so hard. He's not going to get shit on in game anymore. Oh, my God. Mr. the despoiler. Oh, shy as a quote,

usually the untimely death of a dark apostle is marked with a great loss and weeks of ceremonies are held in his commemoration in the time the captains of the dead apostles host are summarily executed for allowing such a thing to happen aw these guys are so sweet it's so good how how they're so good how dare you let our our priests die die die yep dare you let the priest die now you die go join him in the afterlife Which, I mean, given how backstabbing and just overall, not all that good with authority, like chaos space means in general are, but especially word bearers,

like word bearers have got a real issue with people trying to, what's the phrase? Like, trying to just get themselves up to the top. So there's a series of books called the Wordbearers Omnibus, which is really, really good, that has a dark apostle called Marduk in. it and he just outright betrays his dark apostle. Like he is being mentored, he is kind of subordinate to him, and he just full on backstabs

him because he's got his own bit of prophecy that has appeared on his skin that kind of dictates that he's going to be a dark apostle. It's been a while since I've read them, but I remember them being really, really good and really just the power struggles that word bearers go through. just trying to one up each other. So he's killing his way up the corporate ladder is basically what I'm hearing. Pretty much, yeah. I mean, Corferon and Erebus are still in charge.

Oh, fuck, yeah. So they are constantly going against each other and trying to rest control of the Dark Council. So the Dark Council are the ones like in charge of the word bearers. Kind of, it's the ruling body of Sycharis, the demon world that they live on. but Lord Erebus and Corfeyron, funnily enough, top of the ladder for that. So they're constantly trying to take control overall from each other.

And you're saying the word Lord Arabis. I don't know why, but that just like rubbed me the wrong way. I said the words Lord Arabis. I'm like, oh my God. Lord Aribus, yep. Yeah. I mean, it's his official title. It's in the omnibus.

He's officially Lord Erebus. He doesn't deserve it, but he is. Whereas Cole Farron is the Keeper of the Faith, which is a badass title. Let's not forget our good boy Argyltal leader of the Gal Voreback. What a guy. What a guy. He got done to me. I know what happens to Argel Toll and D.K. doesn't know, so don't spoil it for him.

But I know what happens. Yeah, I don't know yet. And man! And man! Apparently I'm in for some disappointing death. Which, it's very 40K. I was going to say, the prophecy appearing in your skin seems like the most... Seems like the most 40K chaos thing.

It tracks. It tracks very well for the word bears being chaos. Oh, yeah. Prophecy shows up on your skin. Kill! Kill the person above you. And it's like, oh, wow, that... It's pretty full-off.

I mean, like, the whole background to that character's story is, I mean, I... We said peak word bearers earlier. It is, it's insane what the word bearers will do to honour the chaos gods. So it's, in the omnibus, the first book deals with a planet called Tannacreg. And the word bearers show up and start annihilating everyone. Because there's only a local, like, planetary defence force. There's nothing particularly, there's nothing like there's a massive threat to the word bearers. So they're able to just go in and annihilate.

the planet and take millions of slaves. And they use the slaves and the ruins of the capital city and the bodies of the dead to build a tower. Which I can't... I'm going to try and pronounce this. It's going to be wrong and I'm sure someone in the comments

will be able to correct, but the tower is a... Gehamehnet. I don't... What? Gazzun hate. I didn't write it. Which is like a sentient living structure.

Oh no. Which, I gather from the books, I mean, it's supposed to turn the planet into a demon world. So this is something that is used to actually take a normal planet and turn it into a demon world. But in this case was used to expose a bit of Necron artifact nonsense. But that's like the back, that's just the backdrop to this.

Like, it's, that's the, it's like, to kick off Marduk's, like, journey and how he becomes, what he becomes, and all his adventures afterwards, the starting point is the word bearers show up to a planet, wreck everything, enslave the population, and build a giant, sentient tower out of the ruins of the capital city and all of the dead people, and, uh, and build a colossal tower to turn it into a, demon planet. And that's just like, that's the background, which is mental. Again, very, very on brand for 40K chaos, though. That's about as on brand as you can be. I was about to say, I remember I have it here that the dark apostles will very often carry large quantities of the book of Lorgaard that they genuinely hand out to the fucking slaves that they have captured from the world. Like when they go to a new world and they take over, they hand out the book of Lorgar to transfer its

citizens into chaos worshippers. So, I don't know, it's just, I'm looking at that dude shy posted who has more spikes than a goddamn um Hedgehog.

I don't know, Indiana Jones movie, whatever the hell. Hedgehog, sure. And I'm just imagining him with a fucking book of Lorgar like, here you go. Read. Have you heard the word of our Lord Xavier Lorgar? Reader, I'm actually going or I'm actually going to like carve ruins into your body and sacrifice you.

The Jehovah's Witnesses of Warhammer 40K. Hell yeah. Except you're not laughing at these guys. You're not gonna. You know, my. I'm kind of curious because the word bearer is like, they didn't go into chaos's arms super willingly. Like they kind of did, but they were kind of trying to keep their own version of humanity and stuff.

It wasn't really until like the Galve War back and, and Argyl Tal's possession that they started to really get into that kind of shit. Do you think, like, Curiaf, do you think that, like, just over the last 10,000 years, it was kind of, kind of slowly gotten more and more chaos depraved, and that's why they're the way they are?

So, from, like, the Horacee Heresy books and, like, the word bearers omnibus and stuff, the overall impression that I get of the word bearers is that they are, like, they are, like, effectively super committed. So, like, when they were spreading the imperial truth and they were talking about the emperor being a god, which he refused and didn't want people to think he was a god,

they buy in 100%. So when they were loyal to the Imperium, they were like super, super loyal. They would spend ages on planets they'd conquered. They would convert the population to effectively worshipping the emperor as a god. And then when they moved on, their planets and their conquests had like a really high rate of loyalty. So whilst other planets might have gone back against the Imperial Creed

and they might have rebelled or there might have been unrest, basically the wordberry would show up, they would indoctrinate the entire population not just now but forever effectively and then then move on. So they were super slow at conquering planets, but any planet they conquered, it stayed conquered because they were all in. By the time the word barriers left,

they were worshipping the space marines. Like, Monarchy is a great example of, like, referring to his angels and treating the emperor as a god. So I feel like when they found something that actually appreciated them in the way the chaos gods did, because the emperor always pushed back and was always like, no, I'm not a god, I'm not a god. Cut that out and then did the whole monarchy a demonstration of, you cannot tell people that I am a god, this is not how the Imperium works. when they found the chaos gods and they found something that actually reciprocated their worship

and granted them like exceptional abilities that was when the slide started just the slide into being full on literally like murder torturers like even things like working out rituals

for getting power from the chaos gods and there's like notes in I can't remember which book of the Horace heresy it is, but there is a specific... It might have been Chaplain Zafin, actually. It might have actually been in the first heretic. I can't remember exactly where it is, but there's a note about how,

if you are sacrificing someone, a person who's willing to be sacrificed gains less power than someone who doesn't want to be sacrificed. Yes, I remember that. They mentioned that in the book of Lorgar, because they weren't getting as much chaos power or like demonic summonings from people who were willing.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. And the fact that, like, that chaplain slipped into that so quickly, it's almost like once you give them the permission, once law go, I was like, okay, this is what we're doing, the entire Legion, to an extent. I mean, there's outliers and there's, like, loyalists

who never turned to chaos and hated what the word barriers became. But for the most part, the Legion as a whole just went, oh, okay, so gods do exist, they do like being worshipped, and if we do things a certain way, we will be rewarded. Okay,

we're in, and then it just gets worse and worse from that point on. Yeah. And they're not wrong. Yeah, I really like the idea of the word bearers just being like really committed to what they worship in. Like, they're in

100%. because I kind of just thought they were like, oh, they're just space marines. Hey, space marines following the doctrine. But it's like, no, they're just like super dedicated to whatever cause they're following. And that's why they were so ardent about like their emperor worship. And why they're so ardent about chaos now that chaos is answering them and reciprocating. Of course they're going to go all in fucking bat shit crazy because someone finally is like, hey, good job. Yeah, well done.

Yeah. That's the interesting thing too, because. like very often before they fight or before a big battle, something, they will take slaves or like captured enemy combatants or enemy space marines and they'll fucking carve ruins

and demonic rituals into their skin and they'll get an answer. They'll suit, like often word bears fight alongside demons because before a battle, they'll do a goddamn ritual and it works. And 10,000 years of that shit

working, like, they're going to put More and more spikes on their armor. If someone's finally answering my prayers and not burning down my home? Wow, this is great. My monarchy? Oh, no. I could see how word bears would be very easily manipulated and corrupted by chaos. It just takes a little push.

I think also, again, I can't remember that it's in the first Heretic or one of the, one of the other books that deals with the word bearers. there is like discussion as to what each of the legions has or what like the sons of the primarks have in terms of their special thing because each legion has got its own like thing that it does better than anyone else um or like a genetic predisposition to something and one of them yeah in one of them it talks about like the word bearers the word bearer's thing is loyalty. So when the Legion turned to chaos,

relative to how big the Legion was, very few went against that turn and very few decided to stay loyalist. And there's like a question of, well, is it because we are genetically we are genetically predisposed

to be loyal to Logar? And so Logar fell, so we had no choice but to fall because that's what we were built to do. There's like that kind of question in one of the books, which I really like that. Again, it's one of those things I really like about word bearers

where it's, did they do it of their own accord? Was it a flaw that was built into them? Was it not a floor, but they've convinced themselves that it was, and now they're leaning into it because it's far easier to be, you know, ritual torturers and sacrifices of innocence if that's just how it was always going to be. Yeah.

Shai said you can also see that with other primarks too, like word eaters or world eaters, God, I get those too fucked up all the time. World eaters were willing to carve their own brains out just to make their dad love them. Oh, it's true. The world eaters are just properly tragic. Like even by the standard of 4K.

Yeah, even my chaos standards, world eaters are, oh, that's so sad. Just an entire legion of dad. issues basically. It's just why doesn't father love us? If we destroy our own brains, will he love us then? No, he still hates all of you.

But we've ruined everything now. It's so... It's really sad. But I'm cupping my brains in my hand like a good boy. Man, that's some shit. Yeah, that's some hard shit. That's some shit.

The World Eaters, we did the World Year's episodes for a bit. We talked about We talked about Karn. Oh, Karn. Oh, yeah, Karn loving to Flamethrower his own people. Yeah. Hey, man, they don't call

him the betrayer for no reason. They call him the betrayer because of those fucking gains, is why. He's got that big arm. Oh, lightweight, baby. Lightweight! You do, you do. You have that to look forward to

and betrayer, though, because you've got the Argyll-Tallin Khan bromance, which is, it's so good. It's so good. We get a lot of things in that. A buddy of mine was telling me that one of the best parts of that book was something about Lorgar and Angron finding a dude on a chair. I got a throne.

Some scene involving that. It's apparently very good. It's honestly, I'd probably put it a number two behind First Heretic, but I'm willing to admit that my biases make First Heretic my top of all the Horace heresy. But if we're being objective, it probably would be betrowered. at the top because it's just that good. But the thing is, I have like a, I don't know, like, first heretic is, it's like the comfort read. It's the one I always go to.

But betrayer is, it's so good. I don't mean to make this a first heretic talk again, but how did you feel about the twist where it's the emperor communing, talking to demons and learning how to make his sons, and then his sons are the ones that kill the Gellerfield, then that's why all the prime marks get heated by chaos. I have to admit, I really like that. I just like the idea that you mess with something you don't fully understand.

No matter how smart you might be, you clearly were not that smart. And thinking that you are above all of that was, it was like the fatal mistake. It's like there's a billion things you could have done. It's the consequences of my actions. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, I actually quite. liked it. I thought it was a nice twist. It was way better than like, oh,

random accident. Instead, it's like, oh no, no, you double back on the deal and now everything that you wanted is going to get taken away from you because you thought you were smarter than you actually were, which I mean, to be honest, when you look at the Emperor's performance as a whole,

you thought you were smarter than you actually were kind of sums up the whole thing, really. Yeah. It just kind of hammers it home a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, Shai. They didn't need to turn it back into a book club. Oh, please.

Like our Nightlord's episode wasn't just covering the omnibus the whole goddamn time. It's true. Well, I mean, you got him. The brick's got a point. The brick is having a point here. Kirrath, have you read the Nightlord's omnibus? Confession time, I've not read it yet, no. Oh, that's why you like Were Bears more.

All right. It's really fucking good. Anyway, that's a side of it. Yeah, what else we got on the word bears? What else we get? Well, so there's the word bearer's notable characters, which we know pretty much all of. It's Arabis, Corferon, Lorgar, Argel Tal,

and it's not really, the guy from your omnibus book, I forget his name that you mentioned. So there's Arjahel, there's Zardu Lyak as well. a really cool guy. Aramagos Maradok. That was the other one. Yeah.

Mardoch. Ikodos? Seems to be one of them. There's plenty of names, but Marduk is the yeah, Marduk is the guy that you're referring to from the Euroreira. I believe I won't say anything about Ikados because I believe that's a massive spoiler

if you read the omnibus, so I'll keep my mouth shut. Wait a minute. That picture that Shai posted of him? That he's holding the skull in his hand? That's him? Wow, he looks like a fucker. Holding the helmet of a white

Constance of Starty during the Battle of the Boros Gate. Yeah, I said that is martyr. That's the main character of the book? Jesus Christ! He's hauled coal. He's hauled coal. He's great. Oh my God.

I clicked on him on the Wiki, and he's got a he's got a long quote. He is the, he's, he's, he's, looks like the quintessential chaos space marine. He really does actually. I want to read this quote real quick. It's long but this looks fun. Unto

those who in ignorance and stubbornness refuse the word bring the fires of hell. Sunder their flesh and burn them of their impurity. Take vengeance upon them for their failings and teach them the weakness of false idols. Thus spoke

Lorgar and so it shall be done. Open their veins that the truth might enter them. Cut open them and let their blood flow. With holy bolter and chainsore, we shall slaughter the unbelievers and usher the word of truth into the world. Great powers of the warp, guide the arms of your servants. They might let the blood of your enemies in your honor. Gird us with strength and fortitude to do your bidding and let our faith protect us from the blows of the faithless. Let your dark light shine upon us. filling us with purpose and belief.

With thanks, we give ourselves unto you, pledging body and soul to your glory for now and for time immaterial. Glory B. Amen. Amen. Hallelujah. Amen.

Amen. Can I get an amen? I was about to say, this does sound like a loyalist speech. Just remove powers of the warp with the God emperor. It's about the same. Oh, yeah. It's a chaos space marine sermon, yeah.

Well, when you think that the, like, when the word bearers were loyalist, they were spreading the, I always forget how to pronounce it, the lectitio divinitartis, that's it. They were spreading that as a form of the emperor is a god. Given that the lectitio divinous artist is basically the foundation of the imperial faith, like, it's what the Imperium. believes, essentially, at this stage. So what Lorgar and his Legion were teaching during the Great Crusade, that became the foundation of what keeps the Imperium alive, which, I mean, in a way, you could say the word bearers were right all along, on two fronts, that that is the foundation of what makes the Imperium what it is,

and that gods exist are real and can be approached for favour. they just didn't they just didn't quite mix the two properly so now we have you know people being sacrificed giant towers being built that are sentient and turning things into demon worlds you know all sorts of

horrific nightmares for the word bearers whereas the Imperium is still operating on basically what Lorgar believed in the first place just because Lorgar is right doesn't mean I'm going to give him the satisfaction I was supposed to ask how exactly does Lorgar feel about the Imperium right now? Because like obviously he and the word bears are fully 100%. Ooh,

chaos listens to me. Um, but like, does he feel any like, um, I don't know if I want to say regret or any sort of like hesitations because like, oh, everybody's finally believing that the emperors of God like I tried to preach however long ago. Like, does he kind of feel like, oh no, the wrong, like, you know, any sort of... Honestly, I would love them to actually explore Logar a bit, like, post-heresy in, like, current times. Like, he's... I know that at some point he kind of addresses it as like an ironic thing of, oh, well, that's all the stuff that I wrote. Funny how they're using it now. But, like, I would really love them to actually do something with him, finally, with all the other demon primarks, and actually explore how he feels. about it because when it comes to the word bearers,

they're all like the false god or the corpse or the corpse god or the false emperor, all of that sort of thing. I feel like Lawgall would probably be a bit more a bit more like, I don't know, accepting almost of it. Like, oh, yeah, no, I was dead on.

I was absolutely correct. And if anything, if anything, everything I said was right and no one listened to me when they should have done. Like more of an acceptance thing, I feel like you get out of him. Do you think he would have any regret at all? Like, oh no, I shouldn't have joined chaos. Now everybody believes like I do in the Imperium?

Or do you think that was all just kind of like stomped out with the whole monarchy thing? And he's just like, yeah, fuck it, I moved on, chaos. To be honest, personally, I think he would probably still stick by what he did. because it's still the truth. The whole thing that with... That's true, yeah, yeah. The chaos gods are the truth. It's the primordial truth.

Yeah, it's like the overarching thing throughout the first heretic is just a being search of the truth. And even if the truth is something that you don't like, you still need to tell people about it. I think he would still regard it as like, well, okay, my entire Legion are demon-worshipping psychopaths who, you know, summon the never-born into the physical realm and enslave millions.

but I was absolutely dead on. There are gods. I was completely correct, and they are what I thought they were. So, I don't know, what do you reckon, Bricky? You know, the concept that Lorgar is like, wow, we're like slaughtering millions to the gods, but I'm right, makes him a prick.

That's also fair, yeah. Makes him just like, yeah, but I'm right, though. All right, put that eight-pointed star on that guy's forehead and cut off his dick, it's time to send to Solmesh. I don't know. It doesn't quite work out for me.

I think, I think like, because remember in the first heretic when Artzel saw the sacrifice on Kadia? And he was like, this is disgusting. Like what you did was awful. I don't hate you for it, Dad, but fuck you kind

of little, sort of. I like, that has obviously, that mindset is gone. That mindset is, is nowhere to be found. 10,000 years later, they have slid right down into it. And I don't know, like, because we talk a lot about how the chaos gods represent both emotions, good and bad, or like martial, like, corn is murder, but also like martial legacy, that kind of shit. Um, but the chaos gods are, at least in our a moral compass, still pretty evil because they've been so, like,

the tides of the war, but they've been turned and adjusted because of the war in heaven if we're taking that canon as canon. They're definitely worse than they were because there are gods of death. And I don't know, I guess

maybe 10,000 years makes you lose a little bit of self-awareness, but, yeah. Or maybe they just really want a god to work. worship. Maybe they don't give a fuck if the god is okay or not. It's just worth worthy. There's a God that's answering me and it's worship. Yeah, there's something to, yeah, it's answering. It matters that it answers more than it's malignant. Yeah. Shai was saying earlier, like the sort of IRL Christian god doesn't necessarily talk to anyone and yet people are willing to do a lot

of extremist things for that. So there's something to be said about commitment to worshiping a God that literally responds to your prayers, even if it is a nightmare demon god that wants you to kill everything and splay them on spikes. And there is also something to be said going back to the question of built-in, genetic loyalty.

Would Logar and the word bearers even be as invested as they are into the chaos gods if they weren't predisposed to it? Like, if that wasn't part of their makeup, If that is a thing that is definitely something that was engineered within them, to latch onto something and give it 100% of their commitment and, like, energy, would they have even gone that hard into it,

or would they have rebelled back towards the God Emperor, even if he didn't want to be called that? Like, there's, it's one of the things that I think it's probably why the word bearers are my favourite Legion for, like, the Horace Heresy specifically. I do like them in 40K, But for like the Horus Heresy, they're like, they're pretty much my absolute favorite. There's so many questions where it's like, how much of it was engineered? How much of it was down to one or two bad, you know, bad influences taking the naivety and desire for acceptance from a powerful figure and running with it?

Like, there's so many different things because it's not as simple as just, oh, the chaos gods are real. so they were like, yeah, let's go. It's so much more underhand and manipulative, and there are so many other, like, questions about why they ended up slipping that far and that quickly. It just makes it, like, I don't know, it makes them super interesting, because of all the different legions,

they feel like the most uncertain, almost. Like, when you look at the Death Guard, the Death Guard know exactly what they are and what they do. The White Scars, exactly the same. When you look at the Ultramarrault. Marines, they polish their armor too much and then get told off for it. Like, it feels like everyone else is cemented in what they are and what they do. And the primarks that question themselves the most are the ones that seem to end up falling to chaos.

And it feels like it's because they're the most human. So you end up with Horace trying to not be like his father and not just conquer every planet he comes across and actually broke a piece with humans who have also ended up mutating and being a bit weird like the Interex, or you end up with Fulgrim wanting to be more and better than

he is at that time. The Mortarian, who's got all sorts of issues about worthiness. It feels like the ones that fall are the ones who are most hung up on certain aspects. Or had a really bad upbringing.

Or it had a terrible upbringing. That's really. Poor Angron never had a goddamn chance. Like, what the hell? He got put on an awful world. I don't think Curse had much better either. He didn't even have a. Yeah, Curz had no chance either, yeah. He arrived at a straw mon.

And people were like, wow, food. Yeah, it's a baby. Oh, mom, mom. Yeah, and then he killed them and ate them instead. And he's like, all right, he's fucked. Write him off. Berturova was closer. His dad was a little bit of a dick, but

Bert Charabrobo was also. cursed with seeing the eye of terror for like all eternity even when his eyes were closed. Yeah, that's rough. I feel like as as Primark's who get passes go, Angron is top of the list. Like I actually

don't think you can be, I don't think you can look at Angron and not just be sympathetic because he was actually altered physically. He had his brain messed with. What are you going to do? Like there was no way to remove them. There was no way to nullify them. That was it.

As soon as he landed on that planet That was how that was going to go And of all of them it's like Well, Angron I can just give a pass to Because He never had a chance There's nothing he could have done different Yeah he had no say

From day one he had no say In how things went Lorgar is like Lawgar is a bit different Because it feels like he did have a say But he was too Too like Too obsessed with finding truth

And finding something to follow and finding something spiritual in an age where being spiritual wasn't acceptable. And he was a bit naive and also abused by the guy who convinced him to do the things he did, Corferon's, so there's also that part. 100%. It's like the emperor was a bad dad, yeah. Corferon also really shit, really terrible. Yep, yep.

You know, on the word bearer's side of things, I actually have the codex here with me right now. And there's some relics in here that I think we should mention, because I like to mention some of the relics because they're really funny. Okay. Just because they're so fucking awful. For example, we have here the Malific Tom. The blasphemous tome has been stitched together from the flayed skins of a dozen mortal cyclone. These dabblers and the arcanes signed their own death warrants, for though they took every precaution in their dealings with demons, they made their locations known to the chaos worshippers who walk the material

world at will. Each leathery page still bears the hairs and birth marks of the book's unwilling Jonah's. God, damn. The horror at the mistake they've made still emanating from every inch of stolen skin. The book's leaves are inscribed with true names, hexagramic diagrams, and demonic hierarchies. that offer the bearer abominable insights into the powers of the warp. Oh, boy. That's a nasty book.

That is... Oh, Jesus. God. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised because this is the sort of like depraved, chaotic shit that you always get from 40K, but something about the book that has skin pages with hair and birthmarks is just... It's the birthmarks. The birth marks is what makes it work.

worse. I don't know. If it was just the skin and hair, that's bad, but it's like, okay, weird chaos stuff. For some reason, specifying birth marks, like they've deliberately gone for that part of the body. It's like, where we're going to take the skin from? Well, he had a birth

mark on his stomach. Okay, let's go. That makes it way worse for some reason. Yep. Oh, they have a tattoo. Get that. It's pretty. Get that one. Yeah, yeah. I want that one recorded. Yeah, cut the tattoo out. Stitch that in. There's another one called...

That birdmark looks like a potato. Get it. There's another one called the Crown of the Blasphemer. Adorned with the finger bones of defiant men and anointed with the blood of unbelievers, it attracts the attention of warp entities to the wear. Whether these demonic creatures are keeping him alive for their own entertainment or because there is some purpose he has to fulfill upon the battlefield, the kingly figure beneath the crown is extremely difficult to harm

as powered blades turn away the last moment by invisible hands and volleys of bullets find themselves snatched into the ether at the last moment. I love it. I love it. Like little spectral hands like

grab your sword and throw it away. Is that just like a crown of like invincibility basically that's just made out of you know heretic fingers and blood? Well it's nothing's ever invincible but Do you ever watch Elfin lied? Do you ever watch that anime? Oh, so it's like Vectors?

Oh, yeah. That's what I picture. Just like invisible hands, snatching stuff out of the air. Also, I hate that I immediately got the anime reference. Yeah, straight away. It's like, Vectors! Of course I know the anime reference. It's like one of four animas I've watched and you were right there straight away. Yeah, I sure was.

Well, Aftly is a pretty, I mean, it's a well-known one because it's gory and the poor puppy. Anyway, continue with the relics. Shy as typing is the most ominous thing I've seen. Especially after talking about anime, yeah. Because we mentioned anime, yeah. Oh, what is this shy? I watched like one episode of that and it seemed to be a lolly amputee fetish thing. Can you confirm or deny this?

Oh, that is, well, I get where she's coming from with the one character later. The well, I don't know. The well, guilty. You said well, guilty. There is one pretty young character that does get pretty much amputated and... Yeah, that's true. There's some not great stuff in there, let's be honest. Yeah, Elfinlaid is not a happy anime.

It's... Anyway, word bears, eh? War bears. The Ashen Axe is an axe from the Great Crusade of chain axe that was used in the citizens of worlds that rejected compliance. As the legion descended into darkness, demons of the warp were drawn in, feeding off the anguish and misery that its chained blades create him. The ashen axe has become a mollific nexus for the creatures of the imitarium, as enemies of the war bears find themselves unable to flee from the axis blows, as claws and talons grasp at their limbs and root them to the spot.

In truth, their minds are assailed by the entities of the ether, circling impatiently for the sole feast, the ashen axe, will deliver. Hell yeah. Solid reference. Solid reference to the Ashen Circle, which is a Horace Heresy Unit, which, again, very word-bearers.

So the Ashen Circle is literally, it's, oh my God, it feels like, it feels weird saying this out loud. So the Ashen Circle was made primarily to destroy other world's cultures, learnings, and faith.

So this is a unit specifically designed, specifically charged with going after like priests, spiritual leaders, going after like works of art, relics, books that were considered to be like

false or opposing to the Imperium. The Ashen Circle literally just jumps in with chain axes and hand flamers, burns libraries and everyone in it basically is what they're there for, which is it's got some, yeah,

Yeah, it's got some real connotations, to be honest. Yeah, there are definitely some connotations to be had there. It's not great. No, it's not. So, more relics, huh? More of those kooky crazy relics, uh? Cooky, crazy word bears. Let's see.

Let's see. What do we guy here? You know what? We'll do a nice, simple one. We have the skull of monarchy. Oh, fun. The destruction of the purpose. The perfect city of Monarchia at the hands of the Ultramarines was all but total as the only ever found skull intact skull of Monarchia was found.

The only intact cranium after the destruction of the perfect city and is now chased with precious metals and protected by a powerful force field. And is used as a way to lift the spirits of the war bears. Oh, so it's just like a way to rally the troops. It's like the hand adorn. Oh, okay It's the only complete skull found in monarchy And they're like

Oh Thousands and thousands That's you know The velvet ropes are parting The light shines down It's a skull Thousands and thousands And thousands of years later

The word bearers Still can't let go of monarchy Like Wow Remember that city That half of us Weren't even here for Yeah

Let's go The last one I've got is the cursed Crozius. It is actually a weapon of one of the original arched traitors and it was used in anger to bludgeon an ex-librarian praetor of the white scars to death. And it still bears the stains of that first ever treacherous kill today. Oh my God. Discord didn't pick it up, but I gave a proper like a proper cackle of that. over the top.

It's just, yeah, it's the fancy Corosius that was just like beat the death of White's car's librarian. It's not even, you've got things like a crown made of finger bones.

You've got the, you've got a skull from literally the turning point of the word bearer's entire existence as a legion. And then you've got someone like beat the share of this dude

with this Crozius. They're on a level. Yeah. Sacred relic Beat this dude to death with it Like what Why is that Why is that the same as the others?

That's like an orc Relic It really is That sounds more like a Yeah Shai said it's the legendary Beaten Stick I crumped

20 humeys with this In one go Beating a white scar to death with You know That's pretty good You know Getting the white scar to stand still Long enough to beat him

I mean It's also like completely, it's also like completely incongruous with Horacee events. Like you could have picked an ultramarine, maybe. Just like, I'm just throwing this out there. Historically, in terms of your great feuds, the word bearers versus the ultramarines is, it's pretty high up there when it comes to, you know,

fictional, fictional adversaries. They had a whole thing. The mark of Calth is still a thing. And they went, instead of like, this Croesus was used to bludgeon a ultramarines captain who thought he was allies with the word bearers at the moment of betrayal, instead it's like, yeah, we beat a white scar to death and relic. Like, why, why that? Like, why would you not go with?

It is kind of random, yeah. It feels so, like, out of sync with everything else. Everything else is like super hardcore and super demonic. And then you've got, yeah, this dude got like beaten with the Crozius. He beat the buck out of him, man. Pretty sure hundreds of people would have been beaten with that Crozius. I don't know why this one is special. Because it's the Crozius.

If that Crozius had been used to be an ultramarine, it would be my favorite relic. Well, it was a rod of office for a founding member of Lorgar's chaplains. It's an OG Crozius. What's this shy? The meme squabble in the world-building rivalry. It's fair. It's fair.

I've never seen Gilliman ever depicted as the... The Chad. The Chad as opposed to the soy jack. Fuck it. Well, Gilliman's interesting. Fuck him, anyway. Fuck him and the Ultramarines. Gilliamen's cool now.

Gilliman's fine. Because he's an interesting story and it's like, oh my God, I've woken up to the most

heretical thing I could ever wake up to so I'm okay with Gilliman. The moment that the ultramarines and Gilliman became okay for me

in the wake of certain codexes and certain things that were written and I'm not going to I'm not going to rag too hard because the author

of such things follows me on Twitter and I've had some good conversations but in the wake of all of that The Horace Heresy really reset the ultramarines for me. There is a point where they're talking about, well, like, there's an ultramarine who has polished their armor,

and they've done everything they can, and Gileman criticizes them. He's like, you didn't need to polish that hard. And the guy goes, we're ultramarines. Trying too hard is what we do. And Gilliman is like, that's fair. was that actually is the actual words

trying too hard is what we do it's not that far off I can't remember the exact quote but it is pretty much it's genuinely I would have really the real quotes

is like trying too hard is what we do it's really close to that I'm not paraphrasing that badly it's really close to that and it's like that self-awareness and that kind of like

yeah we kind of try to do what every other legion does but better. All right, fine, I'll let you off. Like, that is, yeah. That reset them in my mind. I was like, okay, fine. And then, you know, Gellman coming back

and look at the Imperium going, what the hell is this? What is this? Why is everyone worshipping the Emperor's a God? Why is everything so messed up? Why is the calendar out of whack? Which was a great move, by the way. Absolutely stunning move on GW's part.

putting it in a black library book that there are multiple calendars and no one knows the time frame for anything genius. That is from five head thinking. To keep it as 40K. Yep. Yeah. Also, I got to read with what Shai says, Virgin Kiroeth. I'm not going to be mean to this writer

because we talked to Chad Aderick. Nate Crowley is literally in chat. Your second Necron book sucks. Well. No, no, rain wasn't bad. It was just not as good as ruin. Underwhelming by comparison, certainly, but not a bad book. Here's the thing, Matt Ward, the guy who wrote the...

Oh, you're from Matt Ward. Yeah, he's had a significant amount of abuse of, like, his writings about the Ultramarines. Yes, he has. The thing is... Poor guy. Yeah, the thing is, I kind of, I look at all that stuff and I go, he wouldn't have written that

without someone higher than him going, yeah, let's go. Like, you can blame the author all you like, but it's games workshop. There is a hierarchy. There is a... There are levels and levels of authority.

And if at any point he'd done something he didn't like, they would have gone, no, get rid of it. But they didn't. We'll find someone else who will write it the way we want it. It's like the fucking Disney problem. Like, yeah, Tycho Wattiti is a goddamn incredible director, but I thought Thor Love and Thunder sucked,

and I don't blame Taika Wattiti one bit for it. It's like, that's a film that should have been like two hours and 40 minutes, and they were like, no, under two hours or you're fired. It's like, well, what are you going to do? Okay, all right, fine. We're this far in. We need to make it two hours, so let's go. Like, it's the same thing.

It's like, you can bash the author all you like, but there's, it's not, the reins are so tightly controlled. Like, you have to really be careful what you're writing and you have to get approval for so many things. If any of it was not what they wanted, it wouldn't have been in there. That's not how it works in that situation. So if you want to get angry, don't get angry at the dude who, who is being paid to write it, get angry at the company that went, actually,

actually, I think you'll find, we don't like you being this complimentary to anything that isn't ultramarines. So, uh, let's, let's change it up,

shall we? You know what? Let's do, you know, I'm just going to do what I've always been the best at, and that's blame Lorgar. Ah, yeah, Lorgar,

you solve a book. No, blame Erebus. Lorgar is my sweet, innocent boy. There is nothing of it. Oh, no. Oh, innocent. Innocent.

Innocent, naive, certainly. Naive, certainly. Innocent, no. My sweet, naive. Innocent, not. How many people has he sacrificed to the gods? Yes. Directly?

Did he do it? In the last 10,000 years, there's no fucking way he hasn't. Oh, come on. No. Well, he didn't go it himself. He only commanded his troops to absolutely genocide the planet. He didn't even. That wasn't him.

It was the man that didn't have to listen to him. He was in his temple having a nice meditation and a nice prayer. He didn't ask for none of this. It's all Erebus. Everything that went wrong in 40K is Erebus's fault. There is no one else to blame. It's just Erebus. It's not my boy's fault.

Point to me, a statement that says that in the 10,000 years, On a demonic world, he has not killed someone. Show me where he said it did. Like, show me where it said that he did kill someone. It appears we're at an impasse. That's right, because they haven't written about him since, like, 2001. You can't possibly say that he had a hand in any of it. He was just minding his own business, doing a little bit of prayer, a little bit of meditation.

It's all Erebus. It's Erebus is all the way down. Hey, Shai, for your information I'm glad that my favorite Prime Mark is dead. He just wanted to die. He's not dead. He's not dead. If you're a true Night Lord. He's not dead. Offscreen death. Offscreen death, bullshit. She was running with his head. Yep.

I don't. I still don't buy it. If you read the Night Lord books, you'd know this. I still don't buy it. I still don't buy it. I still don't buy it. Okay. I don't know. I feel like if you're a true Nightlords fan, you're happy that Curz is dead. Also, also... You wouldn't want him to be alive. Yeah, you wouldn't.

Like, that's the point of the Night Lord's book. The first book's called Soul Hunter, because the main character is the one who kills the assassin that kills Curz. And she has this fucking head in her hands. We know... We know from whichever the... What is it? Was it the Dark Imperium book? The one that came out when 9th?

or 8th came out, I forget. I'm going to Pieram's 8th. We know that there are souls in the warp, right? Because Mortarian found his adopted father's soul and tormented it for thousands of years and then got bored because, you know. We know that Coase's soul is out there. I just don't think he's going to give up that easily.

If he had the option to reincarnate somehow and be... Actually, you know what? think you know how having said that. He would be false and he'd hate it. Having you said that out loud, I think, yeah, you're right. He would prefer to be dead and right than alive and slightly mistaken. I'll give you that.

That's fair. Compared to vindication. Yeah. All right. Well, that being said, I do want Lord. Because now that, because I know we're going to have to wait till a Fulgram Mini comes out before we get any other demon primarks because that's just, they're going to go with all the of main chaos gods first, because of course.

But I am curious. I know you want to... Okay, come on, you have to want Snake Fulgrim, at least first. Like, the snake Fulgris can be so cool. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. Snake Fulgram, let's go. I'm 100% word bearers for Horace heresy. I am 100% Emperor's Children for 40K.

And look, look, Demon Angron's fine, but what we really want is Snake Fulgrim. That's what the people want. True. and not like fine cast bollocks nonsense conversion parts for noise marines

because noise marines are I think it's fair to say without a doubt the coolest thing in the game I rest my case I will accept no arguments debates to have here I will accept no arguments

with the leopard print and the rainbow colored mohawk those are yeah those are the best ones I want full grim snake as shy says that's what I want Hey, don't wait all though

This has been an hour and 13 minutes We need to wrap this shit up Oh shit, yeah, yeah, we do Oh man, poor shy This is another one of those episodes Where it's like, ooh, sorry, shy It's weird how this mostly happens When I'm here, sorry, shy

I mean, I'm not that sorry We're gonna tell him When I finally have discussion about Emperor's children I'm gonna find out what the fuck happens In that theater Because I don't know what happens in that theater And I want to know what happens in that fucking theater because something happened

in that theater. Hey, Shai, this episode was 100% where she said great episode, like 20% of it was about wordbred. It was all word bearers. 100%. I'll give you 2% of the legions, but most of it, like 98%

word bearers. You can't say that first heretic isn't about word bearers because that's the whole point of the book. It's exclusively about word bears, yeah. There's like a little bit of a debtor's custodies in there, but like, who cares about them? They got, I'll shut up. I was going to spoiler it.

Mind you, if people have watched this and have not watched the book club, watch that. So... Yes! I do think the custodians went out a little too easy. I feel like they could have done

a little stronger, but, you know... Yeah, custodess seems... I mean, realistically, they should have wiped them out, but, you know... Yeah. I'll take it because Arjoltaud is badass.

The custodas did have some badass moments. All right, God... Yeah, go ahead, Bricky. Bricky, take us home. All right, shy. Pull out the gun. Kill us all.