Afford Anything - First Friday: Hope in Nepal; Trouble in the Bond Market

Episode Date: September 5, 2026

#747: We have good news on multiple fronts to share about the job market, the stock market, the commodities market, and volatile news around the bond market. And we begin it with some great news coming out of Nepal. Welcome to the First Friday episode for September 2026. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS Note: Timestamps may vary slightly depending on dynamic ad placements. (00:00) Rescued workers in Nepal (04:53) Strong August jobs report (10:14) Conflicting employment data (12:27) Strong jobs, weaker stocks (17:43) Why bonds matter more (23:17) Inflation drives Treasury yields (29:45) Hidden risks in bonds (36:50) Treasury buyback controversy (43:32) Liquidity versus warning signs 🔗 RESOURCES MENTIONED 👉 Build a Life of Financial Freedom with our free workbook: https://affordanything.com/fiire Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're going to start today with some very good news. And actually, we have great news on multiple fronts. We've got great news about the job market, great news year-to-date around the stock market, around the commodities market. We have volatile news around the bond market. We'll talk about that too. But I'm going to lead with some very, very good news that came out of Nepal this morning. Because nine days after the floods, two people have been found alive.

Two people have been rescued, which is nothing short of a miracle. And it is so uplifting after a tough nine days to have such good news. So we're going to cover all of that and more in this first Friday episode of the Afford Anything podcast. Welcome to the Afford Anything podcast, the show that knows you can afford anything, not everything. On Tuesdays, we typically answer questions that come from you. And on Fridays, we typically interview guests. But there's one exception, and that is the first Friday of every month, when we do a

macroeconomic look at the economy, the markets, the world around us. So welcome to the September 26th, First Friday, Afford Anything episode. I'm your host, Paula Pant. If you didn't catch my remarks on last Tuesday's episode, I am Nepali. I am from Nepal. I was born there, which is why even though we normally just talk about the U.S. economy on these episodes, I would like to kick off by sharing some really uplifting news. Sanjay Shah, age 30, is a mechanical foreman who is trapped in a hydropower tunnel in Nepal. And when the flood started, he ran to warn his co-workers to get to safety, and he got trapped. He has been 557 feet underground for the last nine days, trapped in a tunnel in complete darkness.

He was rescued this morning. and medical assessments have confirmed that his vital signs are normal and he is in stable condition. Kabir Maharajan, age 45, was a mechanical supervisor. He was also trapped 557 feet underground. And he was also rescued this morning. This is such incredibly uplifting news. At a time when many people had given up hope, It is such a testament to the persistence of the rescuers, the rescue operations.

I posted a video on Twitter. The video came from the Nepali Army. One of the rescuers is not wearing shoes. Let me just repeat that. One of the rescuers is not wearing shoes. Now, I don't know why that is. I don't know if he showed up to the site with shoes and somehow lost them off his feet mid-operation. I don't know. Certainly the mud can be very thick. I can imagine how it would pull a shoe off or both shoes off.

But you think about what it took for a team of rescuers, at least one of whom is barefoot, to descend 557 feet underground. After nine days when you are tempted to give up hope, but they remained hopeful and they kept searching and they persisted, and today they saved two lives. You know how the rescuers found them? So both men, over these nine days, the way that they maintained their strength was by praying. And that was how the rescuers found them. They were praying out loud, and the rescuers heard their voices. Right now, in one of Nepal's big newspapers, there are photos of the father of one of the rescued men arriving at the airport in Kathmandu in order to reunite with his son. What an incredible inspirational story.

And I also want to take a moment to give such sincere appreciation to people everywhere who are rescuers, who are first responders. So to people all over the world who are firefighters, paramedics, police officers, search and rescue teams, emergency workers, ordinary people, people who show up in the aftermath of a disaster and it's hard and it's physically and mentally and emotionally grueling. I want to take this moment to appreciate people all over the world who are first responders who are search and rescue. You're doing God's work. Thank you. How do we transition from that to the jobs report? I guess we just do it, right? Well, so the jobs

report came out. The U.S. added 162,000 jobs in the month of August. This wildly exceeded expectations. It tripled expectations. So analysts, experts, investors were expecting 53,000 jobs. This is triple. What we actually got was triple that number. The bulk of those jobs were in the private sector, 127,000 private sector jobs, 35,000 government jobs. The other Unemployment rate held steady at 4.1% labor force participation ticked up by two-tenths of one percentage point. And the broadest measure of unemployment ticked down, decreased by two-tenths of one percentage point. So, unemployment steady, labor force participation slightly up, unemployment in its broadest form. And when I say it's broadest form, there's a particular measure that tracks not just unemployment, but also underemployment.

And that's what I mean when I say it's broadest form. So unemployment in its broadest form, including underemployment, decreased, which is good. So good news on both fronts. And jobs tripled our expectations. We also revised our previous numbers from July to show 21,000 more jobs. So July initially had shown a loss of jobs. 23,000 jobs. We actually created 21,000 more jobs than we had previously known about. So that loss is not as steep as we had initially thought. In other words, lots of good news from the labor market.

June also has final revision. So the standard practice for the BLS is to do three revisions. You do a revision after one month. You do another revision after two months. And then you do a big annual. revision. So what that means is that we're always going to have numbers, revision numbers for the previous two months. So we know the revised numbers for July. They're better than we thought. We also now have revised numbers for June, two months out. It shows that June had a gain of 31,000 jobs. That means June was not quite as good as we had initially thought. June had originally been reported as 57,000 jobs. Still, the data overall is quite strong. Now, the best performing sectors,

From July to August are leisure and hospitality, which gained 62,000 jobs, and state and local government gained 40,000 jobs. The worst performing sectors, information, IT, loss of 23,000 jobs, and financial activities, loss of 11,000 jobs. Zooming out and looking at the full year, tracing August 2025 through August 2026, over the span of the last 12 months, the best performing sectors were private education, and health services, which gained a little over half a million jobs, and professional and business services, which gained about 150,000 jobs, 152,000, to be specific. The worst performing sectors were federal government jobs, which decreased by 242,000, and information, IT jobs, which decreased by 115,000. Now, let's compare BLS data to the ADP report.

First, as a reminder, when we talk about the jobs report, we're pulling that data from the BLS, the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those job numbers come from surveys that they do of roughly 121,000 businesses and government agencies, which represent about 631,000 work sites. And critically, that number tracks jobs, not people. So if one person is holding two jobs, then that counts as two jobs. in the payroll survey. Separately, the BLS also surveys about 60,000 households, and that's how they produce the unemployment rate,

the labor force participation rate, their data on underemployment. That's how they look at not jobs but people. So that's what the BLS does. And separately, there's this other company, it's called ADP, and they are a private payroll processor. And every month, two days before the BLS puts out their jobs data, ADP publishes private sector data based on the payrolls that they

process. And ADP is a big enough company that they have a really, really large data set. But critically, ADP only services the private sector. And so when we get ADP data, we are, number one, only getting data from ADP customers. And number two, necessarily that means we are only getting data from ADP customers. that means we are only getting private sector data. The ADP report, because it comes out two days prior to the BLS report, it's a good, when people are trying to make guesses about what BLS is going to come out as, ADP is a good foreshadowing,

good precursor. So the ADP report showed that private sector employment increased by 38,000 jobs in the month of August, and that marked the slowest pace of hiring in seven months. So we're getting very different reads from ADP versus BLS, getting a lot of optimism from the BLS data, and we're getting some cautious slowdown from the ADP data. That was part of why the BLS data this morning blew everybody out of the water, right? That was why it tripled expectations.

Expectations were low in part because the ADP report was also fairly low. A couple of highlights from ADP data, according to the private sector survey, it also found that growth was led by leisure and hospitality, so those two data sets matched up when it came to that sector. Education and health services, absolutely. So that matched up when it came to that sector. ADP also found job growth in construction. Where the job losses happened were in manufacturing, which lost 17,000 jobs,

and professional and business services, which lost 16,000 jobs. ADP also found that it's the biggest companies driving the gains, so large companies defined as companies with more than 500 employees, drove those gains by adding 34,000 new jobs in the month of August, while small businesses added only 3,000 jobs and medium-sized businesses were flat. Zooming out, what we see here is a slightly conflicting narrative. ADP would urge a little bit of caution, still optimistic but cautiously optimistic.

And BLS would be very optimistic. These are great numbers. In fact, it was the strength of the BLS data that caused counterintuitively, well, you can never really say what causes a market to decline. So let me temper this statement. I can't say it caused a market decline.

What we know is that after the jobs report data came out this morning, the market actually counterintuitively dropped a little bit. Now, why is that? Why would the stock market show a slight decline? Like, why would traders show a little bit of hesitation on good jobs data? Well, it's because if jobs data is strong, that increases the likelihood that the Fed will approve a rate hike at their September meeting. They're meeting later this month.

And so if jobs data is strong, therefore the Fed has a higher likelihood of increasing interest rates, therefore investors are more worried because increased interest rates means higher cost of capital, which means business slowdown, which means stock market slightly declines. So it's counterintuitive, but a strong jobs report can, again, I don't want to make the attribution. I don't want to cause and affect it. but a strong jobs report can correlate with a market decline, as we saw this morning. We're going to take a break to hear from the sponsors who make this show possible. When we return, we're going to talk about the number one way to understand the economy,

which is through the bond market. People don't talk enough about bonds, but if you really want to understand what's going on, don't look at the stock market. Look at the bond market. And when we come back, I'm going to explain why. And what better way than with a delicious pre-organic coffee? Starting with just $1 all day, every day now until December 31st. You gotta try breakfast.

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biggest companies. So if people expect that those companies will do well, even if the underlying economy is a little bit shaky, the stock market might still rise because expectations around how those companies will perform are still strong. Now, the bond market, by contrast, is about interest rates, inflation, the deficit, what the Fed's going to do. And the bond market right now is telling us a volatile story and potentially a story with some red flags. So let's take a look at the bond market and then listen to the story that it's telling us about our current economic conditions. So first of all, the 30-year treasury yield is holding steady at around 5.26%. What does that mean? It means if you loaned money to the U.S. government and you loan them that money for 30 years

and you hold that bond to maturity, meaning you hold it for the full 30 years, which that's a choice, but if you did hold that bond to maturity, your annualized return would be about 5.26%. That is the price of money. And so who sets the price of money? Does the government decide we're going to pay 5.26%? No. The price gets set by what investors demand. The price gets set by the market.

And 5.26% is very high relative to what investors. what it has been. And that means the market is saying we're really worried about inflation. We're really worried about rising government debt and big fiscal deficits. Because of all of that, we're demanding a higher return if we're going to take on very long-term government debt. So right now the 30-year treasury yield is about half a percentage point higher than the 10-year yield. So the difference, let me just state that in a different way, the difference between the yield on a 10 year versus the yield on a 30 year is about one half of one percentage point. In early 2025, it was only about two-tenths of a percentage point. So a year and a half ago, the difference between a 10-year versus a 30-year was a lot smaller.

And what that means is that investors are increasingly worried, even more worried than they were a year and a half ago. They're increasingly worried about debt, deficits, and inflation. So that's what we can learn by looking at the 30 year. But now let's take a look at the 10 year and the 2 year. Those signal different things. The 2 year is largely a bet on what the Fed is going to do. right two years is relatively short term 10 year is a much bigger bet the 10 year similar to the 30 is a bet on what's going to happen with inflation and borrowing over the span of the next decade remember social security is projected to go insolvent in 2032 that's only six years from now and to be clear when it when i say insolvent that doesn't mean it goes to zero it means unless something changes benefits will get reduced. Anyway, so when you're buying a 10-year treasury, you're making a bet on what's going to

happen with inflation and borrowing and the budget over the span of the next 10 years. And we already know that we have some problems that we need to solve within that 10-year time span. And what we can see looking at the 10 years, a lot of volatility. So on September 1st, the 10-year yield hit 4.8%. That was its highest level since early 2025. And then two days later, yields came down on the news that one of the Fed governors suggested that he might support holding interest rates steady. So that was yesterday. And then today, we got a much stronger than expected jobs report. And both the two-year and the 10-year yields climbed back up. So we're seeing some volatility where treasury yields on the two-year and the 10-year are reacting to

guesses that people are making about what the Fed is going to do at their September meeting, and guesses, especially for the 10-year, guesses that people are making about what the inflation situation is going to look like in the next decade. Right now, the markets are pricing in a 60% probability that the Fed will raise interest rates at their next meeting. And that meeting is going to be held on September 15th and 16th,

and they're going to make the announcement on Wednesday the 16th. So basically, if investors think that the Fed is going to raise rates, then the two-year yield tends to rise. And the reason that we've been seeing a lot of volatility is because we've been seeing conflicting signals, because on one hand, economic growth and job growth has been like a little bit uneven and some of these labor reports have caught people by surprise.

On the other hand, inflation is way above the Fed's 2% target. energy prices are up. The labor market seems to be strong, stronger than expected. The Fed chair, Kevin Warsh, he made remarks in Jackson Hole, in which he signaled that the Fed is not done fighting inflation, that the Fed is still very much fighting inflation. And so that's why the two-year treasury yield keeps climbing. And then the 10-year, the 10-year looks beyond what the Fed's going to do at its next meeting. The 10-year says, you know what, if I'm going to lend money to the government for the next decade, I need to know that inflation is going to be under control. And the simplest explanation for this is like if you're loaning money to somebody, let's say you loan

money to someone for 10 years at a 3% interest rate, but inflation averages 4%. Well, if that happens, then you get screwed. Heck, look at the banks, loaned a whole bunch of money at 2% or 3% for mortgages. And then in 2022, inflation peaked at 9%. inflation ran way ahead of the cost of those fixed rate mortgages, which means the banks who are holding onto those loans got screwed. Inflation is really, really bad for lenders who have issued fixed rate loans. And so that's why investors are saying, look, if you're asking me to lock up my money

for 10 years at a fixed rate, then I need to be compensated for the risk that my money is going to lose purchasing power. And that's why inflation worries cause these yields to climb, especially these long-term yields. And the longer the term, the more sensitive that bond is to that risk. So where does all of this lead us?

Well, let's take a look at the recent performance of treasuries that have maturity dates that are 15 years or more. The 10-year rolling annualized returns for those treasuries is negative 2%. Okay, so what does that mean? It means 10 years ago, if you bought a treasury that had a maturity of 15 years out or more, your ability to sell that on the secondary market.

I mean, you can hold it to maturity if you want to. But your ability to sell that is pretty abysmal because treasuries now, long-term treasuries, now are paying a much higher yield than they were back then. So anyone who wants to buy a long-term treasury would just go ahead and buy one at today's rates, right? So if you bought one 10 years ago or nine years ago or eight years ago and you want to sell it to offload it, well, you're going to have to discount it. And so that's why the 10-year return for long-term U.S. treasuries, long-term defined as a maturity of 15 years or more, that 10-year return, the rolling

annualized return is negative 2%. And to illustrate how historically abnormal that is, that is the worst long-run performance for long-term treasuries in about 100 years. What this illustrates, first of all, it really does not bode well for inflation worries, but beyond that, it also illustrates that in the bond world, risk exists along all of these different dimensions and treasuries, which historically, like 10 years ago, everybody wanted to buy treasuries because they're considered safe. The risk of default is more or less non-existent of anything in the world.

The U.S. Treasury is not going to default on its debt. That's why it's considered so safe. But a bond can be really safe from default, but still very risky in terms of its market value. And if inflation is high, then that means that bond can produce a really terrible return. Now, again, I'm not trying to scare people away from bonds. You can always hold it to maturity. But if you want to sell out of some bonds, well, if those yields climb, then the prices are going to drop. That's where the bad returns come from.

I don't want to belabor the point, but I just want people to understand how it works. If you loan the government $1,000 and they promised it pay you 3% interest, and after that, interest rates rise, and suddenly the government is issuing brand-new bonds that are paying 5%. So nobody is going to want to buy your old bond, the one that pays 3%. They're not going to want to buy that for $1,000. They're only going to want to buy that if you sell it to them for less than 1,000. So, like, sure, the Treasury is not going to default. The government will pay you back. But the market value of your... your bond has fallen.

And if you own a bond fund or a bond ETF, remember, that thing is constantly holding and trading bonds. So you can see losses in a bond fund or in a bond ETF. That's why you don't want to say, you know, there are people who are like, well, I'm, you know, 60, 40 stocks bonds. And the bonds are, you know, the bonds are considered the quote unquote safe part. You know, where people say like, as you get more conservative, you buy. buy more bonds. No, bonds are risky. I mean, if you hold them to maturity, you have a pretty

good idea of the principle that you're going to get back in nominal dollars, although those nominal dollars, the purchasing power of that will be eroded if there's high inflation. But long-term treasury bonds have, like I said, over the last decade, they've had their worst performance in roughly 100 years. And that is in large part because worries about the deficit and worries about inflation are really, really high. And notice that everything that we've talked about is independent of what the stock market is doing. And so the old adage of like, well, stocks and bonds are inversely correlated and, you know, they're not. They're just not. 2020 is a prime example. So stocks can fall and long-term bonds can fall and sometimes they can

fall at the same time. You might have a portfolio that looks, quote, unquote, conservative on paper and the whole thing can still have a pretty gnarly drawdown. And something like a long-term treasury, a 30-year treasury, or even a 20-year treasury, or a long-term treasury can be surprisingly volatile, even though the U.S. government is a very safe borrower. Like, even though you don't have default risk, you do still have market pricing risk. When you take a step back, like the big so what here, it's not like, oh, treasury yields are high.

Like, that's not the big so what. The big so what is that right now the bond market is demanding a much higher price for risk. And it used to be that we lived in a world where people's assumption was like pre-pandemic, the assumption was, oh, cool, the U.S. government is safe and inflation is low and interest rates are low. And there's huge global demand for treasuries, right? And long-term bonds felt very, very safe. that's not the world we live in. I mean, it never was.

It was an illusion even back then. But now what we understand is that investors are really thinking about, all right, what happens if inflation stays high or climbs higher? What happens if the government keeps running enormous deficits? What happens if the Treasury has to issue really, really huge quantities of debt? What happens if global events or... wars drive up energy prices. And when you price in all of that risk, then the bond market is saying, look, if you want me to lend you money for a very long time, then you're going to have to pay me more

because I don't know what's going to happen over a very long time. That's what we're seeing in the bond market right now. And that's why it's so interesting to watch Treasury yields. It's like the nerdiest sentence I've said this episode. But it really really, is why it's so interesting to watch what's happening with the treasury yield. But it gets even more interesting because there's this thing that the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, is doing. It's called Treasury buybacks. It's very controversial. It actually stirred up a bit of a hoopla in the Wall Street Journal. And we're going to take one final break to hear from our sponsors. And when we come back, we're going to talk about why Treasury

Bybacks are so controversial and what the big fight about them is, what the big controversy is, because the fight really starts with the fact that the premise of why Scott Bessent is doing this, even that premise cannot be agreed on. So we're arguing about the fundamental premise behind Treasury buybacks before we even argue about the buybacks themselves. So we're going to talk about that controversy up next. And what better way than with a delicious pre-organic coffee? Starting with just $1 all day, every day now until December 31st. You gotta try breakfast.

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Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, announced that starting on September 9th, the Treasury is going to double, at a minimum, double the size of this thing called buybacks, which in a moment we're going to talk about what that means. specifically they talked about what's called long-end liquidity support buybacks. That's a bunch of jargon. So let's talk about what's happening and then let's talk about why it's so controversial.

The first thing to know is the Fed, the Fed is America's central bank, right? The Fed sets monetary policy. The Fed has, you know, the Fed is what we talk about a lot on these episodes and they have a dual mandate of keeping inflation in check and also not letting unemployment get too high. Right? So that's what the Fed, our central bank, is focused on. They handle monetary policy.

The Treasury does something totally different. The Treasury manages the government's debt. They decide how much debt to issue, what kinds of maturities that debt should have, two year, 10, year, 30 year, etc. There's lots of different flavors. And then they can also buy back some existing treasury debt. So the Treasury's job is to manage the debt. And as part of that debt management strategy, they've started using this thing called buybacks, which means they are buying back some debt. And their official rationale for doing so is to improve liquidity. And here's the easiest way to explain that.

Think about your iPhone. when Apple releases a new model of iPhone, they release the iPhone 15 and then the 16 and then the 17. And when they do that, like the iPhone 17 is the newest model, it's the current model, and that's what everybody wants to buy. Everyone wants an iPhone 17. The thing is the iPhone 15 still works perfectly, but there are fewer people buying and selling the iPhone 15, right?

There's less demand for it. and that means there's less liquidity in that market. There's less deal flow. There's fewer iPhone 15 buyers and sellers changing hands as compared to the newest model, the 17, right? It's not exactly a perfect analogy, but think of it like that. When you release a newer model of something and all of the demand flows to that newest model of that thing,

then there's less liquidity in the older models. Treasuries work similarly. The phrase that gets used is on the run versus off the run. On the run just means it's the newest treasury security, its newest treasury bond of a particular maturity. So it's like it's the iPhone 17 of 30-year treasuries. And those are the treasuries that are most actively traded, and that's the benchmark that everybody watches.

That's what we talk about, you know, when I get on the show when we say, hey, 30-year treasuries are now at 5. whatever percent, right? Those are on-the-run treasuries. That's the current model. But there's still the older treasuries, which are perfectly valid, but they're just less actively traded. And so it's harder to buy and sell those because there's less deal flow. The fancy term for that is off the run.

So on the run, off the run. Basically, new and old. Scott Bessent is saying that he wants to increase at least, double the purchase of these older off-the-run treasuries. And his rationale, his stated rationale, is that these are less liquid. There are a bunch of dealers that might be holding them, and that consumes their balance sheet, and they don't want to accumulate a bunch of, you know, unlimited quantities of treasuries. So these dealers need to know that there's a buyer out there in the market. If the Treasury itself becomes the buyer, then that creates liquidity. It creates

that deal flow. Now you've got a reliable buyer. So it's easier trading. And that means the dealers are more willing to make markets. And so you've got a better functioning, more liquid, more high volume transaction market. So that's the Treasury's argument. And that's the stated rationale for the buybacks. And by the way, I should add, when we talk about liquidity in this context, when we're talking about such a huge volume, liquidity means you need to be able to buy or sell something very quickly in big quantities without dramatically moving the price. Because if you were to trade in or out of a huge, huge volume of something, if it's a sufficiently big enough volume and there's not a whole lot of other activity going on, then that trade that you make

might be so big that it actually moves the price. And so the more liquid market is, the less of a chance you have of making big trades that are so big that they move the price. And so that's a healthy market. And I should also add, this is another important note, when we're talking about these older off-the-run treasuries, there is what's known as a liquidity premium because liquidity itself is a risk, and so that risk also has to get priced in. So if the treasury becomes a really reliable buyer of these less liquid off-the-run bonds, then that liquidity premium can shrink. And so that means the prices can improve. Here's where it becomes controversial. The question is, could it be the case that improve...

Proving liquidity has the effect of also reducing some of those high yields, some of that yield pressure that is creating all of this risk for long-term treasuries. And that's like, if so do we want that? Because that yield pressure is communicating that people are worried. It's communicating concerns, real concerns that investors have. So there was this op-ed that was published in the Wall Street Journal by Stanley Juncker Miller. He's a former hedge fund manager, very well respected as a leading investor. He had average annual returns of around 30% for more than 30 years. This guy started his own hedge fund in

1981 and managed it until 2010, which is when he converted it into a family office. As an investor, his specialty was global macro investing. So he was a specialist in central bank policies and liquidity shifts. So when we're talking about liquidity, he's one of the leading thinkers and has proven it over the span of 30 years. And so he says, look, don't assume that a high treasury yield means that we have a liquidity problem. Maybe investors are demanding higher yields because they're genuinely worried about the fiscal situation in the U.S. Maybe there is no liquidity problem, maybe the market is sending us a really important warning. And if the market is trying to send us a warning, we shouldn't paper over it or mask it by

dismissing it as a liquidity problem and trying to, quote, unquote, solve it as a liquidity problem. Like, that's his broader argument. His argument is that these high long-term yields are trying to tell us something about inflation and government debt and deficits and the supply of treasuries and global demand for U.S. debt. And what we've got right now is a big red flag. And if we think that this is just a liquidity problem, and we address it like it's simply a liquidity problem, what we might be doing, essentially, is taking a big bucket of green paint and throwing that green paint onto the red

flag and saying, look, it's not a red flag anymore, it's green. That hasn't solved the problem. The fact that we've painted the red flag green hasn't removed the danger. It's simply masked the symptom. And so the controversy here, and how this starts with the underlying premise is you've got to start with the premise of what is the problem. Is it a liquidity problem or is it a market signal? The Treasury's interpretation is it's a liquidity problem. And so we need to address this by improving liquidity, and that's going to make it easier for people to trade in and out of securities.

And that's going to be, it's going to create a healthier, more liquid market. And that might ultimately have the effect of reducing those yields, reducing the government's borrowing costs. And then Drunken Miller is saying, wait, wait, we might just be throwing some green paint on the red flag. Like, what if the market is functioning properly? and the high yields are the warning light. And so the disagreement between Scott Bessent and Stanley Drunken Miller is the premise of what is the issue, is the issue liquidity or is the issue investor concerns, and then stemming from that premise, what is the next step? Based on that premise, what is the addressable next step that we should do in order to solve the problem of long-term yields that are so well?

high that it's causing really poor performance in the bond market and it's causing the government to pay really high rates for long-term debt. So it's bad for investors and also bad for taxpayers. So that's what's happening in the bond market right now. And that's why I say if you really want to understand the economy, pay attention to what's going on in the bond market. It is so much more interesting than what's happening in the stock market. It's a whole family drama unfolding in the bond market. And it really underpins the story of what are the big red flags in store for this economy in the next decade. That's why the bond market can give us a much more complete understanding of the economy as compared to the stock market where the fundamental

questions are like, how much is Nvidia going to sell? And I don't want to discount that. Like that's, there's also important information there, particularly because so much of AI development is being handled by a small handful of some of our biggest companies. And whether or not the U.S. wins the AI race is largely being handled by a really small handful of very, very big companies. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on there too, but that's more about, a stock market is really more about company performance and innovation. and tech and sales and revenue. That's what the stock market is about, whereas the bond market is about inflation. And as we have seen over the last six years,

largely since the pandemic, inflation is the driver of almost everything that we've experienced. I mean, from the lack of housing affordability, which is like home prices going up plus mortgage interest rates going up, Both of those relate to inflation, obviously groceries, energy shocks, and then the social ramifications of living in a society that has had a big spike in inflation and that still has not gotten inflation down to where we want it to be. Inflation has been the dominant story of the last six years and it continues to be so. That has characterized our economy more so than almost anything. and it certainly characterized our society in terms of consumer sentiment, consumer confidence,

Gen Z pessimism, I mean, all of it ties into inflation, and the story of inflation is the story of the bond market. And that is our first Friday episode for September 2026. I guess this is a little bit of an ode to the bond market as well as an appreciation for all of the rescue efforts in Nepal. Those were the two themes of today's episode. That's where we stand. September 2026, those are some of the questions, the big questions, around what's in store for our economy. Thank you so much for listening to this. If this was enlightening, if you learned something, if you feel like you have a better understanding of the economy and finance and bonds,

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