After Party with Emily Jashinsky - “Happy Hour”: The Vacuum Left by Charlie Kirk, Epstein, and The Future of Mainstream Media: Emily Answers YOUR Questions

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

On this edition of “Happy Hour,” Emily answers your questions including thoughts about the Heritage Foundation leaks, who can fill the vacuum left by Charlie Kirk, and what’s going on with Candace Owens.  She also answers cultural questions about the church and prosperity gospel and thoughts on deleting social media. Emily also addresses questions about whether the mainstream media will ever go out of business, the end of monoculture, insider trading among members of Congress, the dangers of subsidized loans, the Epstein documents, what Mamdani might do to NYC in terms of refugees, and Thanksgiving travel. Emily also has fun talking about why she loves VEEP, some of her favorite guests, and that candle that freaked Michael Malice out. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, hello, everyone. Welcome back to an edition of Happy Hour and even more casual version of an already casual show where I get to chat with all of you through the great questions and comments you send in via social media and email. So let's get to this week's edition. Now, I'm going to try to do a rapid fire edition of Happy Hour this week. And I said Try. I want to emphasize, try. I have a tendency to be a bit loquacious, as you probably know,

but I want to get to as many of your great questions as I possibly can. So let me go ahead and pull them up. If you haven't listened to Happy Hour before, just so you know, I do all of this live. And I'm actually reading your questions as I go. I think that makes for a more entertaining version of the show. How long has your longest podcast recording in. This is from FVR. 07. That's a good question. I mean, election nights, for example, I think last year on election night, I was on Megan's show, then I did breaking points, then I did like a three or four hour live stream for unheard until about 3 a.m. So I don't know if I've ever done anything longer than like three or four hours. I can't claim to be at like Hassan Piker eight-hour

levels yet. That's a pretty remarkable number. Some of them go even longer than that. So I don't have anything quite that impressive. But yeah, I think the longest would probably be about four hours. How bad do you think it's going to suck to fly this Thanksgiving? This is from Kleinstein 9. All right. How bad is it going to be? I think it's going to be pretty bad. I'm considering driving to Wisconsin, to be honest. Actually, right now, I have a friend coming in from out of town staying with me for the next few days. Flight's already delayed. And this is, you know, not the peak of Thanksgiving craziness. So I've had horrible experiences flying this year. I fly a ton for work. I shouldn't say a ton. I know people who fly more. I'm flying multiple times every month. And I've had some of the worst travel experiences I've ever had this year already. So there was a problem going into Thanksgiving. there's a problem going into the government shutdown. So I think it's just going to be layers of difficulty.

Now, I've had a couple of really good experiences flying lately, so that's in the last couple of months. It seemed like things were getting better. But I think the shutdown was exhausting for a lot of air traffic controllers, a lot of people who were going without pay. They're going to get their back pay now. Hopefully that helps. Hopefully, hopefully.

And hopefully because it's such a high pressure situation for the Department of Transportation for the FAA, everyone will be at their tippy top in terms of quality and meeting expectations. So let's all cross our fingers. Okay. Seth says, what is your opinion on the word of faith movement slash prosperity gospel? Would you have someone like Kosti Hinn or Justin Peters to discuss it? And, you know, I have all, you know, obviously as an evangelical, I'm very familiar with the prosperity gospel question. I always find the prosperity gospel to be unfortunate wherever I see it being practiced. There's someone who's very close to the president, Paula White, who I think dabbles in prosperity gospel.

I always have my radar, you know, on high whenever I'm, you know, it's kind of unfortunate that in evangelical world, you have to, but I think you do. It seems to me like it's fading a bit. I think it's exploitive. I think it's predatory, sort of all of the stuff that's been said about prosperity gospel preaching. I worry that some of the growth in Protestantism in Latin America is coming from that. I don't know that to be true. I'm not saying that's actually what's happening, but these are definitely things that worry me because prosperity gospel is so false, but the falseness, this idea that if you are faithful to God, you are guaranteed. And some of these preachers are so specific about the guarantees,

but that you're kind of guaranteed to get X, Y, and Z in return. That's really, really dangerous, but it's also intoxicating, especially if you are in a third world country, for example, and you are looking for a way out of misery. and out of economic stress and pain. So it's particularly predatory. You shall know them by their fruit, and I always keep that in mind.

I'm not familiar with any of these other folks that are mentioned specifically here. So you can't weigh in on that, but I'm always careful with prosperity gospel stuff. All right, Texan 316 says, do you think mainstream media will ever 100% go out of business? No, I think that's a great question. No.

I think it's always going to be with us. Some of these massive corporate outlets will always be there. And it's just because they're already in the game. They're super powerful. And we have a climate now where people cluster in niches. So I think MSNBC becoming MS now is a really good example of what the quote-unquote mainstream media is going to look like into the future, which is that MSNBC is just fully now embracing that it's a niche product, not trying to be taken as like serious neutral journalists to the extent that they were.

I mean, they actually really were trying to do that during Trump 1.0. I watched, during Trump 1.0 and Biden, I watched so much in MSNBC because I mostly work from home. I would just keep it on in the background constantly. And I think they're just kind of giving up on that pretense now, which is probably better for everyone. I hope they discard with it fully and overtly. But I think that's what eventually, you know, the one exception of this is the Washington Post is trying to do something different. They're trying to be massive and unifying, which is very hard to do in a microculture that we're, in now. We're no longer in a monoculture, so we'll see. But I think you're going to start to,

the New York Times will just be more like the Atlantic, right? And the USA Today, you know, that'll start to be more like, I don't know, the view, if that makes sense. Like, even the view itself is barely even pretending to have genuine conservative representation on it anymore. No events to Elizabeth Farah, who I know. But I don't think she, you know, even pretends to be sort of like a mainstream representation of the right anymore. So I think everyone's just kind of giving up, but they'll exist. They'll just be smaller. MSNBC, big cuts. CNN, big cuts. They're not going to have these massive overhead budgets. All right. And they'll function more like small, more nimble news outlets, kind of like the Atlantic is a good example. The Atlantic is

flush with cash from Steve Jobs' widow. So Texan 316, another question. You're the first person I've use the terms high church, low church, do you mind elaborating? I'd never heard that term either until I moved to D.C. I use it often to describe the church I grew up in being kind of low church, meaning the liturgy, the style of worship is sort of different than high church, where it's highly liturgical, much more traditional. And that's in terms of the music, in terms of the look, the physical building that you worship in. So all of those different things. And definitely, like, the liturgy is probably the most important part of what's high church,

low church. Most people I find who grew up or worship Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, for example, which is how I grew up, came from much more high church experiences. I mostly was in a gym with a rock band playing contemporary Christian music growing up. So I find that to be a very different experience. than most LCS folks had. But it also describes other experiences that people have in different denominations, too. You know, there's just, it's basically a stand-in for, like, how traditional something is.

All right. Let's get to more. Let's see. Shea in Alaska says, Charlie Kirk left a vacuum. In my opinion, Erica Kirk cannot fill that vacuum. The people need a man to lead. Maybe it's my complementarian as I'm talking, but what do you think is the way forward for conservative leadership

who will fill the vacuum and rally the hearts and minds of young conservatives? And can it be a woman. Well, I think a woman can be a really good leader for female conservatives. I don't think a woman is going to be a good leader for male conservatives. I think it's a pretty obvious reason why. One of the biggest questions that conservatism needs to answer right now is actually about spirituality and traditionalism. and all of that. So I don't think men are particularly interested in following a woman's lead

on that, not for any nefarious reason, not for any bigoted reason, actually just because it's natural to not relate to a woman because men and women are different. And on these questions of sex and gender, on these questions of work, on these questions of family, which are the biggest ones facing young conservatives today, I think, you know, it's true. There is going to have to be, or there is now a male vacuum, a very specifically male vacuum. No, I love Alibeth Stuckey. I think she's doing an incredible job with young women. And I think she really is a leader for young conservative women. And she does, I mean, she is just as good as it gets. And I think everyone's very blessed to have the example of Alibeth Stuckey for young conservative women. But I do agree, there's

there's a power vacuum for men. Charlie Kirk going to be very, very, very hard to replace. In fact, I think he is irreplaceable. Can someone different come along? and offer something different? Yes, of course, of course. We'll see, though. I mean, these are very, very big shoes to fill, as everybody knows. All right. Let's see what else we got here. Leah says, Emily, love you. Please take a pause between after and birth in the liquid gold ad read. I almost just spit out my coffee hearing about liquid gold from after birth. Yeah. That ad makes me laugh. I do really like Cowboy Colossum, I will say. You put it in milk.

I like the strawberry flavor. Almost tastes like a milkshake. The mayor just goes as T. Says the White House can't accuse the Dems of selectively releasing the documents. If Pambandi already claimed there was nothing else to release, that's a good point. I still think tea continues to say Trump is somewhat removed from the crimes, but there's definitely a deep state trying to protect itself. Yeah, you know, one point I make with the Epstein documents is. that I genuinely doubt there's some smoking gun that implicates Donald Trump in a sex trafficking ring.

I don't think that will ever exist. I don't think there's any document that exists to implicate Bill Clinton in a sex trafficking ring. There is an eyewitness, at least one. It's in the Netflix Epstein documentary that says they saw Bill Clinton on the island. But I think that's as good as we are going to get these scraps and these puzzle pieces that we have to assemble over the course of decades to try to understand what the picture is. The reason that the Biden administration and the Trump administration does not want to actually release all of the documents that they have. And they will not release all of the documents that they have, no matter what discharge petition passes through Congress. I think it should pass through Congress. But no matter what actually

does pass through Congress, we're not going to get all the documents. We're not going to get documents that have already been destroyed. We're not going to get smoking guns that have been destroyed, which is why just politically, set the moral question aside. Politically, I think it's really crazy for Trump to fight the disclosure to look like he's fighting disclosure. the White House does not want this discharge petition that Mike Johnson is going to be forced to bring to the House floor in all likelihood from Rocana and Thomas Massey. At this point, the best thing to do, and Megan said this recently as well, the best thing you do is just release everything that you have. We all know there's not going to be a smoking gun. But what is going to happen is people like Larry Summers and Donald Trump probably are going to be embarrassed by some of what people are talking about in these emails.

to cause problems for the political class who are going to have to explain why they're so friendly with Jeffrey Epstein in these emails. I mean, my goodness, why are they arranging White House tours or going through him to arrange White House? What are they doing? So I think that what we're going to get is just going to be a picture of a pretty clear intelligence operation. It's already emerging through my friend Ryan Graham and Mos Hussein's reporting over at drop site. The Epstein Ehud-Barrach relationship, so that's Israeli intelligence. That is deep. And it was geopolitical and it's all in writing in hacked emails. So that is what we're going to see.

And that is why Biden and Trump are protecting the release of the information. I genuinely don't think it's because there's a smoking gun that either of them are major Democrats or major Republicans are implicated or their donors are implicated in a major sex trafficking ring. Not that they aren't, but that there's not going to be evidence just sitting at the DOJ ready to get out there. I think it's to protect the intelligence community, which is the one community that both Republicans and Democrats are much more inclined to protect. So that's my theory of the case right now. All right. This is a really nice email from Scott Johnson. Appreciate it, Scott. You say no more social media. I am debating on what podcasts I will keep. I'll always keep yours because you have great shows and have so many great subjects. You were a Christian. I love when you speak of your religion without hesitation or apology. Scott, thank you. God bless you. I really had the same thought today about deleting social media. And so Scott says in this email last night, I uninstalled my Axe account, Instagram, and Facebook live account. You kept Facebook live because I stay in touch with all my shipmates. Scott said I served within the Naval Submarine Service. Okay, well, Scott, God bless you. Thank you for your service. I hope you had a happy Veterans Day

to the extent that you could. And thank you for such a kind email. Thank you for all of your support. I really did have this thought myself today, though, because I was going back and forth on X with some folks and just realized it's people. These apps condition us to communicate like idiots. And that's so obvious. But when you're in a back and forth with somebody who is just not pausing, you know, it's kind of like if you're in a coffee shop or at a bar arguing with someone, you can be like, listen, okay, great. I hear what you say. saying. But this is what I'm saying. You can only do that so many times on social media. So before realizing the person is either not interested in it, they're a bot, or in many cases, they're just not thinking. They're angry. And you can't get through to that anger by saying, hey, hey, I hear you. Like you would be able to in person. So just earlier today had the exact same reaction. Richard says, for what it's worth, I've also been concerned about the candle for a while now, stay safe, Emily. That's referring to the candle that is in the backdrop of my shot that

Michael Malice got completely freaked out by during a Wednesday show. I promise you, when I'm looking at the camera, I'm actually looking at a monitor, a return monitor. So I'm seeing the entire shot that you see just by looking into the camera. That's so that I can keep track of the elements. You know, that's how I can see, for example, what's going from my computer onto the camera. That's how I can see what the producers are putting up on the screen. and it's how I can see the guest's reaction to things. So that's basically why it's up there, or that's basically why I'm not worried about the candle is because it's up there.

I can see it the entire time. It's also a very small candle. It might look bigger on the camera. So Marlowe says, do you think Zorn Mamdani was ushered in by an internal operation? How about the mayoral race in Seattle? Katie Wilson is ahead of ballots or being counted as the CIA back. mail-in voting policies to so mistrust. Nothing seems real. I don't have any reason to believe there's a CIA mail-in voting operation or that the CIA had anything to do with Mom Dani.

I hadn't actually heard that. But thank you for the question, Marla. I don't have any evidence about that. Any reason to believe that? Endlessly skeptical of the CIA, but that is not something I have a, that's not something that I have any evidence of, to be honest. And I do. try to cover these things pretty closely. So that one, no. Nothing on that one. Joe, this is a great email from you, Joe. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Joe says, you're killing it on After Party Happy Hour, a new series XM show. Joe says, I keep praying for you. You're doing awesome. All right, Joe, well, thank you. I will pray for you too. Appreciate it. Joe also bought some Masa chips and Vandy chips. Yes, they are the best tasting. Joe says they're the best tasting

potato chips I've ever encountered. Yes, that is so true. Gotta get those barbecue ones. They blew my mind the first time that I tasted them. Matthew says, oh yeah, this is great. Matthew says, I couldn't help but think of your comments about the end of monoculture while reading Mary Harrington's reflections on the trouble at the BBC. And this is a link to a great unheard article by Mary Harrington about the problems at the BBC. It's headlined why we will miss the BBC. I commit it to everyone. Go ahead. Read Mary Harrington, always everything she writes, but this particular unheard article is fantastic as well. Highly recommend it. All right. Joanna asks, I was wondering what you think about Nancy Pelosi retiring with an estimated

net worth of between $240 million and $2.80 million, and yet Martha Stewart went to prison for insider trading. How does that work exactly? Yeah, I mean, the new Martha Stewart documentary, which I believe is on Netflix. goes into depth about the exact play-by-play of how she ended up in prison at the hands of, guess who, James Comey, the one and only James Comey. And it's as absurd as you can imagine, the way that they locked up Martha Stewart for insider trading. I mean, it's completely insane. The problem with insider trading in Congress, first of all, Pelosi's husband is, a high net worth person to begin with, so he has a bunch of money to trade with. The idea that

he doesn't have any inside information is absolutely insane. Just picking at bits and pieces that you're overhearing your wife talk about on the phone, let alone what she's hinting at, or let's just say most charitably, she's totally honorable, which I don't believe, but let's say that's the case. Even what she's hinting at at dinner or in conversations with colleagues that you happen to be a part of, you would have a lot of information to make some damn good, trades if you're Paul Pelosi. Granted, he was already wealthy to begin with, so he's probably already inclined to be doing well with these types of investments. But with members of Congress, it's almost impossible to prove that they acted on specific information. You know it, right?

Like, you know, okay, so this person went into this briefing and then made this trade, right? But you can't prove. That's the thing. that's the thing that is most difficult unless you have it in writing like hey you should do this and this and this which has happened a couple of times and people have gotten in trouble for it but unless you can do that uh proving it in court is pretty pretty difficult uh and it's just i mean man it's such a sad statement here all right what else done says uh excellent the show on Monday with Mike Ben's 100,000 subscribers is a really big deal. Absolutely. It's true. I appreciate it. I'm amazed that we got there this quickly and you're all very, very kind.

And Dun goes on to say subsidies and accommodations are basically bad for the recipient. The recipient is encouraged to work at a lesser intensity and production to provide only a portion of their knees. This is bad because the extra effort needed to gain wealth just to get even generally, I think a subsidy promotes decreasing base work because comfort can be achieved with less effort. Yeah, I think the problem with subsidies in student loans, for example, all of those loans from the government, all of those subsidized loans from the government created an atmosphere that perfectly describes or perfectly illustrates the problem with high subsidy economies or sectors in the economy, which means none of these schools had any incentive to lower their price because

the government was giving students more and more money to borrow. And so that's what worries me about Trump saying, well, maybe the GOP health care plan will be to give subsidies to individuals, not to the insurance companies. It might be a little bit better. But that's actually basically what we've seen happen in college tuition. And the costs have continued to grow up. So, anyway, Ryan says, I was baptized Catholic but converted to Lutheranism. I am part of the Wisconsin evangelical Lutheran centered. What are the major differences between the two synods. They're, they're pretty similar. One of my best friends is Wells, they're pretty, pretty similar. I can't get into like the specific theological

differences because I honestly don't remember. Wells, my understanding is Wells is a bit more conservative, liturgically conservative and all of that. I don't remember off the top of my head the specific examples, but I do get that since I've been gone to Wells Service versus L CMS service. David says, thank you for Mike Ben's. Other podcasts talk about his stuff. You add them on. What a time we have just lived through, unreported by the MSN. MSM. Also, I like the new no-glasses look on your podcast splash. You were doing great. 100,000 subscribers. Yes, the wonderful people at MK Media did make me take a new headshot. There's nothing I hate more than taking pictures of myself. I like to take pictures. I have a little DSLR. I like to have fun with, but I hate having pictures of myself taken so very much. But yes, they did. They did make me take a headshot up at in New York, maybe a month or two ago, and changed the graphic up. So thanks for the note, David. And I agree on Mike. I mean, he's knee-deep in this stuff. And it's so, so important. Everyone else is, like, basically too intimidated to even begin pulling back the layers of what

happens in these decades of voluminous documents about USAID, NED, and all of the those things. So I really, really, I mean, I don't always agree with Mike's conclusions, that sort of thing, but you don't have to to appreciate the documents that he brings up, the highlighting that he does, and the connections between point A and point B, for example, that he's drawing in a USAAD document down to this NED document, down to this Washington Post report, putting those pieces together and synthesizing all of the disparate pieces of information. He does that, and like nobody else does. Ryan asks, as a person who's never been to Washington, D.C., why is D.C. considered a beltway? We call it the Beltway. That's what we call the freeway. So the, the D.C. area and the near suburbs

kind of fall within the, quote, beltway. So that's what I get called that. Acella Corridor, another good one. That's because the Acela is, like, the more expensive train that goes from Washington to New York. So referring to the East Coast as the Acela Corridor, it's like the fancy train. It's not the Northeast Regional. I never took trains growing up in the Midwest, so the first time I was on the Assel, I think it was like Fox. I think it was going up to New York for Fox. And man, those things, yeah, it's nice. I do some of my best riding on the train. But you do realize, like, the power players are on the Acell. You're like looking around and you're like, whoa. Man, these are lobbyists. These are lawyers. These are heavy hitters. So if you ever get Nassel, you probably noticed that. All right. Gregory says, let's see, Harry says, you said, quote,

the people who are leaking are making their own situation worse. And I wanted to highlight that if, in fact, these actions do make things, quote, worse for the right, than what is exactly what is intended. This is about the Heritage Foundation leaks. Gregory goes on to say, the whole Carlson Heritage thing is supposed to hurt the movement. It's supposed to hurt the GOP. His goal is to reduce the influence of anything MAGA. So I'll just say in response to that, I do agree that it's supposed to reduce the influence of anything MAGA, because I think the people who are leaking, I don't know for sure. I think I have an idea of who a couple of them are. And my belief is they are genuinely upset about the direction that MAGA has taken conservative foreign people.

policy. And so they do want to influence, they do want to reduce the influence of MAGA in the GOP and the conservative movement to the extent that MAGA represents a new foreign policy consensus. You call them neo-conservative. I don't think they would identify themselves that way. But I think it's true that they were leaking to hurt the new foreign policy consensus, Not merely people they see as anti-Semitic, actually, but people who are questioning the old foreign policy, I think they do genuinely, Kevin Roberts is a good example. I think they do genuinely want, they were leaking to undermine that side of the movement. So I do agree with that. I think they would probably claim their foreign policy is true MAGA and it is America first, right?

Because Trump ultimately did bomb Iran against the wishes of Tucker Carlson, probably Kevin Roberts, although I don't. don't know that for sure. And so they believe that they're actually true MAGA. I think that's ridiculous. I think, Don, you know, we talk about what is true MAGA, like just, you know, and distilled MAGA. It's whatever Trump says it is, it's pragmatic, and they are not pragmatic. They're ideologues. And Trump's ideology is pragmatism. Their ideology is not, it is an inflexible belief system. And I say that as somebody who's ideological, I don't think there's anything wrong with being ideological. It's just not what Trump is. So their claim to MAGA is just as ridiculous as, you know, Fuentes' claim to MAGA. You know, not that I'm not, I'm not morally comparing

them. I'm just saying Donald Trump is what MAGA is and other people who try to claim MAGA, you know, like Marjorie Taylor-Green is an example of how MAGA started. And I think, I don't think you can take that away from her. At the end of the day, Trump defines MAGA. And it's, it's clearly the one through line is pragmatism. So I think they think their foreign policy is MAGA, but I do think they wanted to undermine populist MAGA. So I think that's correct. This is Scott again, who says,

I've been watching the problems that London and the rest of Europe is having with large influx of Muslim refugees. They refuse to assimilate to the British way of life, the culture and laws, they have no go zones, and are looking to introduce Sharia. My feeling is that when Mom Donny wins in New York City, this same thing will be tried, and New York City would be ruined if we do not stop this in its tracks. It's definitely a problem in the lack of assimilation is definitely a problem in the UK and France.

I'm sure in places, I've read about places like Sweden as well, obviously Germany having difficulty with this. I don't, I could be proven wrong. I have interviewed Mom Donnie before. I don't see him as someone. who wants a bunch of, let's put it this way. I don't think he is, it's a priority of his to import Middle Eastern refugees. I haven't heard that from him. I don't think he's personally a conservative Muslim.

But all that said, he obviously has relationships with conservative imam. for example, and he may be overly responsive to the nonprofits and special interest groups that try to, some of them are, by the way, have legitimate civil liberty claims, you know, in the cases of like surveillance of mosques and whatever else, sometimes not so much. So would he be overly responsive to some of those groups that makes it more likely for radicalism to increase, possibly. Will he be overly responsive to nonprofits that are pushing for refugee resettlement?

Possibly. But, you know, the wave after particularly the Syrian Civil War in Europe, that was, again, like downstream of this very calamitous, specific event. So if there's a new Syrian Civil War outbreak or something like that, and people are trying to resettle refugees in New York City. I mean, it's a good point, Scott.

He may be someone who is open to that, makes that happen. But again, I think it would have to be in response. To be, like, huge and meaningful, it would have to be in response to a huge and meaningful kind of foreign policy cataclysm. So, I mean, it's, these mayoral terms can feel like a lifetime. I'm just not convinced he's going to be able to do as much damage as some folks think. Um, Ken says, Emily, I know this isn't your fight, but you are good to listen. I am very concerned about all the stuff, Candace. I was spreading and Tucker's giving a voice to. If I was turning point, I would refuse all those people being involved. It'll make it easier at my mom, Donnie and others to confuse our side. God is in control. So I should focus on his message and tune this out. Amen, Ken. Uh, appreciate all you do. Your platform is growing by the day. Genuinely appreciate that, Ken. Thank you. Um, you know, when I tune into Candice, it, I, I, I, I, I, don't generally watch full episodes without getting too deep into the weeds of this, I see somebody who is mourning and paranoid. And it is very sad to witness. And man, it's just a,

it feels like a public meltdown. It feels uncomfortable to witness. It's hard. It's hard. I genuinely hope that she gets the help that she needs because I think she's in shock and I think she's in a state of mourning and I think she was already becoming more and more paranoid I'm sure she has a million different threats to her safety and all of that so it just seems like things have escalated and it's again I hope that it stops

because it feels like a crash out and it's hard to, hard to watch. Mark sends in his thoughts on the Virginia statewide elections. Let's see. Mark says, you know, he's reluctant to cite anything that happens in Virginia election-wise to be any indication whatsoever of national trends for some different reasons. Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm always reticent to, I'm always reticent to take national trends away from off-year elections.

in one state or the other. So I think that's a good note of caution, Mark. I appreciate that. Kevin has a suggestion for future guests. I wonder if you could possibly have Christopher and Sarah Bedford on again. Obviously, they were on the day that Charlie was murdered, and that, of course, shifted the show in a dramatic way. And I think all three of you handled it beautifully.

But I think it would be nice to have them on again to discuss other issues of the day because they obviously have a lot of insight to share. Kevin, that is such a good point. I hadn't even, you know, that day was such a blur. I hadn't even considered that the last time they were on was to talk about that. Man, I was always excited to have them on. We planned to have them on from the first day of the show. And it just so happened. That was the day, which is really tough. So Chris is scheduled to come back on. And hopefully we can get them back on together soon. They have like a one-year-old. So it's hard to get them both.

at the same time, to be honest. But yeah, I hope we get them both on together in the new year. Chris is scheduled to come on soon. And if you've been listening to me since Federalist Radio Hour, you know Chris and I every Thursday used to do a show together. And those are some of the most fun shows just because we have been doing them for so long. And he says all kinds of crazy stuff. So we will have Chris on soon. Thank you so much, Kevin. Appreciate it. Last one here is from Sabina. Some really nice discussions here. Sabina goes on to say, however, I do want to ask you to please take a page from the

Megan Kelly Show playbook. The audience will forgive you for repeating yourselves rather than not understanding you. I think Megan Kelly says something like that and often stops a guest from getting away from the audience. We don't know what you know. And I definitely do not know what Spencer Cavan knows. That's hilarious. Consequently, there are a few times during your discussions that I was lost.

And I wanted to, I wanted so much to understand and learn from me both to please explain some of the heavier academic topics such words you both use. Anyway, still a great discussion. Just wish I didn't feel left behind. Thank you, Sabina. That is a really good point, especially with Spencer, who is operating on a higher level than me and everyone else for sure. That guy, his intellect, knows no bounds. And, you know, it's funny because I do a couple of different shows. So I'm actually, by the time you hear this, it will have been announced that Friday was my last Undercurants with Unheard. And that's because I'm doing the Series XM show Monday through Friday right after MeganRap. So I'm doing the Megan Kelly wrap-up show on Series XM, Channel 111. The Megan Kelly channel, love calling it that. I'm there live from 2 to 3 p.m. Monday through Friday. So I'm stepping back as the host of undercurrents. And we'll just be doing after-party Megan Kelly wrap-up show. And then, of course, breaking points on Wednesdays and Fridays, which feels much more manageable, to be honest. Um, undercurrents was a blast. I'm so sad, um, you know, to leave it. It's, it's been a bit emotional,

but it was the right thing to do. And I'm going to stay with unheard as a columnist. So all that is to say, when you have different shows, sometimes, you know, I know one audience, for example, like the unheard audience. Um, I think a lot of people in unheard world are in the same type of, have the same type of interests as Spencer or more similar, on average, have more similar interests and reading lists and all of that as Spencer. So one of the things that's always hard is, you know, making sure that just in terms of how you're communicating the basics of a story, right? Like the breaking points audience is up on the news. The Megan Kelly audience is up on the news. But we all have like different news bubbles now, too. So just, you know, I have to do a better job. It's surprisingly

challenging, but I have to do a better job of making the, of reminding myself that sometimes there's not overlap in the news diets of different audiences or in the reading lists of different audiences. And it's no, it's, you know, all of the audiences are equally wonderful. It's nothing like that. It's just we're, we're in kind of different niches. And one of the cool things about my job is I get to move between people in a way that I think is unusual. And the only reason that I feel like I can do it is, and other people can do it too, Megan is a good example, is just curiosity, right? And I have much more, many more questions than I have answers.

And I love that. It's really fun as a journalist to kind of be able to hang out and ask those questions. So, yeah, that's, I think, a great remark. All right. Let's see. What else we got going on here? I think that's it. I think that's it for this. Oh, wait. No, missed it. Rachel says, who are the top three people you recommend following on substack? Don't worry. I'm already following Ryan, referring to Ryan Graham. Matt Taiibi, definitely. That's a good one. Matt Taiibi, Rod Dreher. Let's see. I'm such a substack addict. Oh, and Yohan Grillo for his immigration reporting from Mexico. Fantastic. Natalie sends a very nice email here, who says, very, very nice, says, I think it's a good thing that someone inside of heritage is leaking. The reaction that reflects something bigger than the ex-conversation ignited by the podcast. The public deserves to know what policy leaders on the right are engaging in this level of identity politics. Grown men are having emotional meltdowns because their feelings were hurt. The reactions lay bare the extent to which they've conflated the term anti-Semitism with any opinion on foreign policy that they don't like. That heritage, video that Eliana Johnson got over at the Free Beacon,

the leaked heritage staff menu video is, I heard a couple of people in D.C. My friends were like, we couldn't turn it off. It was, I agree, and I feel horrible saying that because I have friends, former students who work at Heritage and have been having a couple rough weeks. But that video watching grown men cry and, you know, not even ask questions,

but give these, like, lecturing speech. Oh, my gosh. It was, like, the worst HR meeting that you've ever been in, whatever side of it you were on. It was just so much self-importance. I shouldn't even be saying this. But, yeah, it was insufferable. So I'm also kind of glad that it leaked.

I mean, I'm not glad that it leaked because I think, you know, it was done with ill intention, but I'm also kind of a little bit glad that we have insight into what it's like behind the scenes at the Heritage Foundation because of all of this. Marlowe says, this evening I caught a Veep Marathon on HBO. Did you ever watch it? If so, what are your thoughts of it? I found it hilarious.

Have I watched Veep? Yeah, I love Veep. I think it is one of the great American comedy shows ever, period. I wrote about the finale for The Federalist, and it's one of my favorite culture pieces that I've written. It was just a quick blog piece. But yes, I think Veepe in D.C., everybody likes saying, everyone thinks that D.C. is House of Cards, but it's actually VEP. It is actually VEP.

So often what is attributed to conspiracy on the outside, if you're not in D.C., it is plainly incompetence. And it's almost frustrating to have to explain that because sometimes incompetence is rooted in ill intentions, but it's just incompetence. It's like what happens behind closed doors on Capitol Hill and at the White House, is, like, it might even be more ridiculous than Veep and more incompetent that Veep.

And it doesn't matter whether it's a Republican or Democrat administration. All right. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thanks for sending all these great questions in for this week's edition of Happy Hour. I really appreciate it. As a reminder, the email address where you can reach me as Emily at devilmedcaremedia.com. You can send the questions in over on our Instagram at After Party, Emily. And we will see you back here with another.

edition of Happy Hour next week. Thanks, everyone.