After Party with Emily Jashinsky - Hollywood’s Meltdown, Jerry O'Connell’s Awkward Admission, with Griffin Davis, PLUS Joy Reid’s SICK Take on Iran and Women

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Emily Jashinsky opens the show with a look at a recent Washington Post piece by Matthew Schmitz, “The Epstein files expose a corrupt elite. And a dark hatred,” to discuss recent backlash to the term “Epstein class” and why she feels it’s unfairly being labeled as antisemitic. Then Emily is joined by Griffin Davis, the Executive Producer of “Breaking Points,” to discuss the Oscars, Timothée Chalamet being shut out, and false claims about representation in Hollywood. The conversation turns to the demise of late-night comedy and what Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert get wrong. The pair also discusses SNL’s skit about Tucker Carlson and Jerry O’Connell’s awkward appearance on Club Random. Emily rounds out the show with an out-of-touch clip from Joy Reid about America and Iran that Emily argues is a slap in the face to women.   Unplugged: Switching is simple, Visit https://Unplugged.com/EMILY and order your UP phone today!   Lean: Discover why LEAN is becoming the choice for real weight‑loss results—shop now at https://TAKELEAN.com use code EMILY.    Cowboy Colostrum: Get 25% Off Cowboy Colostrum with code AFTERPARTY at https://www.cowboycolostrum.com/AFTERPARTY Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to After Party, everyone. It's episode 73, if you can believe it. Tonight's guest is going to be Griffin Davis. He's our executive producer over at Breaking Points. This is going to be a fun one. We have lots of Oscars and Culture Talk to get to. So hang in there. Griffin will join us in just a couple of minutes. There's so much to go over a new video of Joy Reid that I'm going to talk about. You're going to want to hear what Joy Reid has to say about. I mentioned this was a wide-ranging interview to be sure. But Joy Reid on women in Iran versus women in America. Spoiler, a little spoiler here. She says, it's basically only a marginal difference. Incredible. We will get to that. Like I said, a lot of Oscars content to get to Jimmy Kimmel made an appearance. Jerry O'Connell had some wild takes about his own personal life on Bill Maher's Club Random.

That sounds like a fake sentence. and a horrible story about Polly Market in this recent Iran war. It's astounding. It should be one of the most talked about trends right now in the world, period. Even Stephen Colbert, who I almost just confused with Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert is even being panned by critics now for his long, drawn-out exit year. We're going to talk about that with Griffin as well. First, though, please remember just.

subscribe. It's very, very helpful and I'm very, very bad at reminding people to do it. So if you get a chance to throw us a subscribe on YouTube, we really appreciate it. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast. That's where you get our Friday only edition or our Friday audio only edition of the show, happy hour. You can only get that on the podcast feeds. We just drop it there. So like, comments, reviews, all of that help. Appreciate it, everyone. I want to start tonight with a story. I've been thinking about a lot just in the last couple of days. Putting this up on the screen, Jimmy Kurchick dropped this opinion piece for The Washington Post not too long ago.

This was, it was about a month ago. And it started to really pick up steam just late last week. And Rokana, Democratic Representative of Rokana, was getting a lot of heat. And the debate was over this term, the quote, Epstein class. You've heard Rokana use the term Epstein class a lot. You've heard Representative Thomas Massey, who's been on our show just the last couple of weeks, used that term a lot. It's clearly the intentional kind of public relations term of the anti-Ebstein effort, right? Like this is clearly something they thought about.

It's clearly something they thought communicated the anti-Ebstein campaign well, and it's caught on. certainly among Democrats, many of whom were not interested in talking about Epstein at all when it was a right-coded story. And if anything, it was dismissed by many of those folks as a conspiracy theory. And they're now, of course, eagerly, eagerly making the most out of it, talking about the Epstein class at every possible turn. But the line in this piece that I think is most egregious is, is. Let me just pull this up. Yeah. So, Karchich wrote that Rochana, politicians such as Representative Rochanna have begun to talk about the quote, Epstein class, the phrase can be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity.

So if you use the phrase Epstein class, as many Democrats have done, Republicans like Thomas Massey, it can, quote, be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity. Like I said, over the last, I don't know, like five days or so, Roe has been taking a crazy amount of heat for the phrase Epstein class. And people were seriously accusing him as Kurchik did here of wielding an anti-Semitic phrase in his quest to, get maximum transparency in the Epstein case, which is something, again, that was right-coded for a very long time because it was about this group of global elites who were operating an anti-Lorecase D democratic effort in the background of the daily news cycle.

They're operating on their own outside of, again, the lower-case D-democratic control of their governments to change world affairs. So there is plenty of reason. It is eminently reasonable for Jews around the world to be constantly vigilant about anti-Semitism. Just as I think it is eminently reasonable for black Americans to be constantly vigilant about racism. Jim Crow is within living memory of some people, very elderly people, but some people who are still alive.

The Holocaust. The industrial effort to genocide the Jewish people happened within living memory of people who are still here. That constant vigilance, especially in an age of nuclear power, is again eminently reasonable. What is also reasonable is constant vigilance. is constant vigilance against word policing and censorship and suppression. And to say that use of a phrase like Epstein class has any overall undertone of anti-Semitism is absurd given the way that Epstein class has already been wielded for weeks and weeks. Of course there are anti-Semites picking up on the term.

You'll notice the Iranian regime itself is having a field day in its propaganda with Epstein-related attacks on the United States. Of course, anti-Semites are using it. But who are the two most high-profile? So when conservatives talk about the Epstein case, who is the most high profile other than Epstein himself? person accused of wrongdoing or most high-profile person conservatives believe is seriously

implicated in the scandal. It's Bill Clinton. When Democrats talk about the Epstein class, who is the person they think is most seriously implicated? It's Donald Trump. It's Prince Andrew. It's Adnan Khashoggi, Peter Thiel, Peter Attia.

But just in the most basic sense, the biggest target of partisan attacks on the Epstein class from the left is Donald Trump. And the biggest target of attacks on the quote Epstein class from the right is Bill Clinton. So in this case, constant, you have to balance, of course, your constant vigilance against very real and enduring forms of bigotry with constant vigilance against very real and enduring forms of speech suppression. I talk here all the time about what I call definition inflation, and it's very easy to happen for partisan purposes. It's very easy to get caught up in when you're on algorithmic-based social media and you have an ideology, as I do. It's very easy

to get caught up in definition inflation, because the algorithm prizes extremity, right, condemnation or endorsement. And in this case, calling someone an anti-Semite, our brains are, or saying a phrase is anti-Semitic, our brains are conditioned to see that as a better way to get engagement. And you're not thinking that consciously as you do it, but you've been wired to go towards one or the other. And this isn't new to algorithm-based social media, but it is, it's humanity, but it is being fueled and intensified by it. So it's easy to engage in definition inflation, but that's where the definition of something like racism goes from just saying, oh, you are arguing a person is less than because of their race, or you are arguing a person is less than because they're Jewish, anti-Semitism, to you are arguing that a person is less than because they're Jewish, anti-Semitism, to you are arguing that a person.

is going to have a disparate outcome because of this policy. And I think that's discriminatory and racist, right? Like, that's different from saying somebody is acting on the belief that a person of another race or ethnicity is less than on the basis of that. The definition in most people's minds is what I just described, thinking somebody is less than because of their immutable characteristics because of their race, their ethnicity. But you can inflate the definition when you do inflate the definition, what you're often talking about is disparate outcomes, or you're talking about giving a weapon

to somebody who could use it for racist purposes. It doesn't make it categorically racist. You may say, be more careful with that because it's advancing a trope. But to call it categorically, what is it here? Let me read this line. something that can, quote, be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity. Epstein class. It's two words, Epstein class. And again, it's mostly used against the Clintons and the Trump's.

There's the two most high-profile partisan targets of the Epstein class as a pejorative. Some people may remember, not long before Charlie Kirk was killed, he did a kind of focused group at a turning point conference. to get to the bottom of why younger conservatives seemed to be less and less supportive of Israel as the Gazaware went on. And what he heard, you can go back and watch it. It's on YouTube, it's on social media. What he heard was people felt like they were being told in many cases they can't say this, they can't say that. So just on a practical level, I mean, I feel like I've already made my moral argument for why it's wrong. but even on a practical level. I understand balancing constant vigilance against bigotry and constant vigilance against censorship.

I think that's what we have to do. And in this case, I don't think there's factual basis for the claim. But also, it is making it very difficult to talk to young people who are even more vigilant about suppression because of the time period they grew up in, the speech environment that many conservatives rightfully diagnosed as a poor one, and were just to be. dismissed by people on the left for a long time. Because they grew up under that, they're extra, extra sensitive to it. And so pragmatically, again, having already covered the moral question, pragmatically, it is making it much more difficult for people who support Israel to find,

what's the right way to put it, to find open minds among younger people and to successfully make their arguments. So pragmatically, it's not even a good use of argumentation. It's not even a good use of capital, political capital. So I want to talk about that because it's really been grading the last couple of days. I mean, for example, let me put this up on the screen. Senator Ted Cruz reposted this AI, clearly AI drafted Screed by an account called Insurrection Barbie on X. And Senator Cruz said, read every word of this. It's the best and most comprehensive explanation of what we're fighting. Catholics were really upset about this. Many Catholics that I know were really upset about this. Many Catholics who are generally pro-Israel were really upset about this because it gets into some weird

conspiratorial musing, but it doesn't present it as musing. It presents it as a matter of fact. about where criticism of Israel is coming from on the right. And it is like, it's really like Russia, it's Rachel Maddo in the middle of Russia gate level conspiratorial thinking. It's like Steve Ben and met with Alexander Dugan in Russia for four hours, and everything is downstream of that. I'm paraphrasing it a bit. But just this one section, not even talking about Catholics,

but this one section jumped out at me. It said, you cannot dismantle evangelical people, political power without first delegitimizing evangelical theology. The movement's entire political architecture rests on a theological claim that God made an eternal, unconditional covenant with the Jewish people, that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy, and that Christians who quote, bless Israel, are obeying a direct divine command. Remove that conviction and remove the moral engine that has driven evangelical political

engagement for half a century. This is why, this is, I don't know what insurrection Barbie's faith background is, but that jumps out to Protestants, evangelical Protestants especially, as just factually ridiculous. To say the entire political architecture of American evangelicals rests on the theological claim that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy, that is utterly absurd. Is it an important part of evangelical political activism? Yes, it absolutely has been. I think some of it, unfortunately so, because I'm not a dispensationalist, but I think even dispensationalists would object to this characterization that the movement's entire political architecture rests on a

theological claim, quote, that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. There's just a lot of imprecise information flying around, and it's not easy for anybody. I'm not perfect. Don't take me as saying that. But I absolutely think some of these ill-conceived bludgens are backfiring from people who are trying to make an argument in support of Israel. And I think partially that explains why we're not seeing improvement, that we're not seeing that their argumentation is successful in the polling. And I think because some of it is the sort of, it is not the pragmatic approach you would take if you fully understood where the criticism is coming from. And I think nobody is not nobody, but I think few people are fully understanding where the criticism is coming from because they've closed their minds and dismissed a lot of where it's coming from as bigotry. And of course some of it is.

Of course some of it is. But you can't dismiss a lot of the well-meaning, well-intentioned, decent people who did not like what they saw over the course of the Gaza War and don't like what they're seeing right now. And that might be tough to grapple with, and you may think that it's being fueled by anti-Semites, but to categorically dismiss everybody who's finding themselves uncomfortable with a foreign policy direction, as anti-Semitic, you will not. make your argument as well as you could. So I want to make that point because it's driving me crazy. It's driving me crazy. All right, going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with Griffin in just one second. For years, legacy media, government, and big data companies coaxed us into surrendering our digital freedom, giving lip service to privacy. They loved to do that while leaving digital back doors wide open for their own purposes. What are

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The Epstein biz. Oh, the Epstein. Well, I'm glad that you covered the E-sler, because that kind of language has no, there's no space for that language here. It's about time. That's their word. Only they are allowed to use that word.

By they, I mean the Epstein class. Sorry, I'm so sorry. We just got demonetized off YouTube. It was a serious infraction. That's strike one. Where can people find your non-breaking points work before we dive in? Oh, God, I don't know why you'd want to, but I do make sketch comedy videos.

Have you heard of it? It's like S&L, but woker. It's wokeer than S&L, actually. It goes all the way around the horseshoe back to being offensive. So that's what I do, yeah, in my spare time. Yes, you know, people don't give woke enough credit for being incredibly offensive. Which I think we might get into on this show. I'm very excited with the lineup that you have here, big Hollywood night last night.

That's right. And yeah, Griffin is the woke king of. the Hollywood Hills and we should start actually. Griffin, give us the brief story of how you ended up EP at breaking points as somebody who's kind of in the comedy world. Crystal and Sager are terrible businessmen, terrible judges of character and they just responded to an email of mine and I had no business getting the job and I have no business being on this show and that's that's kind of my So I'm excited. Yeah.

Okay, but you went to film school. You know some stuff. Oh, you're trying to give me like some sort of like a status or expertise for our conversation. So people are like, people are like, people connect. Well, you know, I don't know. I make, I've made films. I was on working on YouTube before. Now I'm on breaking points.

Me and Emily do a lot of the Friday shows. Me and Emily right now are kind of quietly planning a little bit of a revolt. We're going to take over the show, so it's just me and Emily. We're going to slowly kick the hosts off one by one. Emily, who do you think is the weakest host for us to kick off first? Maybe Saugger? Yeah, I mean, it has to be Saugger. It has to be Saugger.

We take Saugger out first. And then probably Ryan, because we could, like, distract him pretty easily. Or we could trick him into thinking he's still doing the show or something like that. Also, Ryan just wants to, he just wants to have fun. So if you could dangle a, tour in front of him and he just wants to catch my i just want to catch my fish that's ryan's catchphrase and then i think crystal crystal's probably the final boss it's probably going to be hard to get rid of her um but i'm feeling confident i think we just

tire him out she's got that msmbc muscle memory in her brain so yeah it's it's hard to beat well what are the vibes like uh give it give us a pretend you like the the hollywood correspondent here griffin you give us give us an update. Hollywood is ecstatic. What are we wearing tonight? Everyone's mourning. Timothy. I mean, Marty Supreme, nothing. Nothing for Marty Supreme. Nothing, which is kind of the funniest, almost thematic way it could go. Right. It's kind of the most Marty Supreme ending is that he didn't win in the movie and he didn't win here. And I feel, I feel a spoiler. I feel bad for Timothy. He has to go back home and make love to a Kardashian

and, you know, be in the biggest box office movies every single year. So it's tough to be him right now. And I'm just hoping that he, I'm hoping he has to go back and do another gay role. And maybe that'll be the Oscar. I don't think you have to like twist his hand into that, though. I think he's, actually, this is interesting because the New York Times had this op-ed about how Shalame has kind of declassed himself. But he's become very de-class A and sort of uncouthed.

He's dating a Kardashian. He's been last year when he won his Oscar, he's saying, I want to be one of the great sort of putting himself in contention for a, I don't know, reputation at the upper echelon of Hollywood greatness. And does it backfire? I mean, the votes were in, I think, before the opera ballet bullshit by Conahey interview. but is that why Mari Supremor shut out? Was this a revolt of the elites against the common man?

Absolutely, sure. Yeah, against the common man of Timothy Shalame, the working class man who went to acting school and then became famous at 19 or something. Yeah, I think so. I mean, are you saying that maybe Hollywood is starting to find him to be two reality TV and not, you know, the mysterious age.

me lister that you're supposed to be. That's what the New York Times was suggesting. I don't know. I think maybe they just find him to be a brat now. Well, I mean, I was always kind of not in, not in like, I was always like, do I like this guy? And then every time he kills it. I like the Bob Dylan movie. I like, I like basically everything he's ever been in. I thought he was great in Marty Supreme.

I didn't think Marty Supreme was great, but I thought he was great in it. Who won over him? Sorry, I should know this. I watched last night. Do you remember? You were so useless. He was up for best actor, right? Yeah, he was up for best actor, and it was,

I should know this, too, we both watched. Gotcha. Well, I know Sean Penn. Oh, yeah, it was Sean Penn. That's right. No, no, no, no, Sean Penn won best supporting and didn't show. Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan.

It was Michael B. Jordan's thing. He played twins. It was awesome. Did you see how mad people are? Like, a bunch of, like, people are mad that he ate in and out after, Why would they be mad about that? Isn't that like a post-Oskers tradition? It's literally the Hollywood tradition,

but it goes to show you that the majority of the hate accounts online now are like from India or Portugal or something. Well, that's fair. Let me actually ask you a big picture question. What do you think it is that the right gets most incorrect if you had to pick one thing about Hollywood? I can't think of a single thing. No, no, about Hollywood.

I know you're generally at like you're sort of in the mannosphere and becoming increasingly reactionary. But if you had to pick one thing. Conservative with a conscious. Yeah. Compassionate. Compassion, yeah. If I had to pick one thing that the right doesn't get about Hollywood.

Or it gets wrong, like misunderstands. Hmm. I don't know. Like what are the big right wing complaints that it's all like too woke or whatever? Like that's kind of over. Like, I don't know. Like, were they mad that like everything. all at once like one a couple of years ago?

Like what are, you tell me, what are the big conservative gripes with Hollywood at this moment? Because, I mean, they're getting fully satisfied with the Daily Wire movies. Those are,

those are, you know, bangers. It's like a T-Moo Game of Thrones. So I like all that. Yeah, I don't know. I think if I were to tell conservative was one thing.

It's that Hollywood is run by liberals and that doesn't represent my politics. And I don't need my politics to be represented in a movie. Like, I know what I think. And, like, the goal of watching movies is maybe to, like, think about how other people think

and other experiences. So, I don't know, like, I also love watching the conservative movies. I love God's Not Dead. I think that one was a blast. You know, I watched Melania. You didn't. That's true.

You know, I love all sorts of movies. I love Mel Gibson movies. So, you know, you got to say, separate the art from the artist guys or you're or you're going to be missing out on so much great art what's your favorite mel gibson movie hmm i mean listen on after party it's passion of the christ baby no do you want to hear something crazy i snuck into passion of the christ oh because you were too young uh yeah but i had to take it to another movie and i just walked in um i didn't stay but yes i sneak into the passion of the christ is a that's not a

an omen for a positive behavioral pattern in the future. Yeah, you were the bad girl on the wrong side of the track sneaking into Passion of the Christ. You know me. Some people were like, people who went to like hate watch review the Melania movie said that they like, they didn't want to financially support it. So they bought a ticket to something else and then snuck into Melania. And I said, you know what, own it. I bought two tickets, okay?

I paid twice. Well, okay, so here's a, I think here's a fair, fertile ground for conservative criticism of Hollywood. And I'm curious what you take about this. So the K-pop Demon Hunters creator, co-director, went up to the podium last night. And as she was accepting her award, said this, S-1. Thank you to the academy and to all the fans who got us here. And for those of you who look like me, I'm so sorry that it took us so long to see us in a movie

like this. But it is here. And that means that the next generations don't have to go longing. This is for Korea and for Koreans everywhere. I mean, Griffin, far be it from me to promote a John Padourer's tweet, but F0, he pointed out six years ago, Parasite won everything. years ago, the supporting actress from Minari won. There are so many examples of Korean-American, Asian-American successes in Hollywood that I would be a bit irked if I were, for example, part of parasite and heard that from her last night.

I would be like, hey, what the hell is going on? It reminded me, and I know you're going to love this one, Griffin, of Rachel Ziegler, your favorite actress. claiming she grew up without Latina beauty icons, as did you, by the way. I know that was a problem in your life, S3. Oh, that's the best story I had, yeah. When I was younger, my approach to beauty was a lot more shaped by what I was witnessing in big pieces of media. So it was on magazine covers, who was in the beauty commercials.

Boat, Teen Boat. Who was in movies and was considered like the most beautiful movie star at the time. Teen Beats. It was definitely very Eurocentric as I was growing. growing up and being a young Latina that was hard because not a lot of people looked the way that I did. If you're listening to this on the screen, there's all of these magazine cards in movies of a successful Latino women. I've really been able to find it within myself, which is really nice. And I'm sure that Don of the Internet is both a helpful and hurtful thing for that because I was able to find other people like me.

But then I was also opened up to a whole other world of comparison. I love some conservative guy. And that's been really helpful. Putting it together. Yeah, just like some conservative guy going, all the Latino women, Google it all the Latino women. Like, I'm just like,

like, oh, rah, right, right, right. Like, some guy learned. Jessica Alba. Jennifer Lopez? Yeah. Yeah, some guy learned Premier Pro. He was so angry. He learned Premier Pro.

I love that. I love when conservatives, get a little editing style. So here's my theory of the case. This is not a conservative, or this isn't a sort of specifically political liberal phenomenon, but it's Christopher Lash,

of narcissism, something that's been diagnosed for many years, which is this idea that it's always year zero because we have conditioned ourselves to lose perspective and cast ourselves as victims when we are not always victims. Sometimes we are victims. We're not always victims. And with millennials, which you and I both are, there was just a kind of cash to that. Like if you go back and read old BuzzFeed articles, it was like that that part of life was, I think, over-emphasized. This is my theory of the case. What say you, Griffin? Well, I don't think there was like in the recent history been, you know, like a big problem with Latin, Latin X representation.

I'm bringing it back. But I do think Asian representation there is a case for. Like they're like, you know, like they happen winning some of the big movies. But like there are less Asian, Asian people in movies. And I mean, we used to have Jackie Chan, like one of the,

one of the greatest of all time. He was funny. He was hot. And he could like jump off a building. So they're out there, but we haven't put them in as many movies. So I think there's probably a better case for the, for the K-pop demon hunter woman than Rachel Zegler,

who's still, I mean, I got to say, so beautiful. I love when, I love when people all online are like, trying to like make her not hot. They're like,

this is the ugliest woman I've ever seen. Have you ever seen those? For some reason, it was like Sydney Sweeney. It was like around the same time period. People were debating whether both of them were mid. It's like they're both hot. Let it let it go.

Like, come on, rock. And at the end of the day, again, guys, like, don't let the politics ruin the art. Rachel Ziegler's voice is, angelic. It's one of, it's life changing. When you hear her sing a song, it's so fucking incredible.

So I don't care whatever stupid shit she says. Like, it's awesome. She's a great singer. See, this is. is saying you don't care what she says. That's, I feel like, the heart of it. We don't really have to care about what anybody says. Even Jimmy Kimmel, let's roll S6. He made a little, he showed up, did a whole bit about how he thought he was the host and it was actually Conan and made a couple of jokes that I'm going to roll S6. Let's start with. Free Jimmy. We hear a lot about courage at shows

like this, but telling a story that could get you killed for telling it is real courage. As you know, there are some countries whose leaders don't support free speech. I'm not at liberty to say which. Let's just leave it at North Korea and CBS. Okay, let's then rule S7, Jimmy Kimmel. Are you exhausted? Am I exhausted? Am I exhausted?

And knowing every night you've got to say some. You see me looking in my face. No, no. Yes, I'm exhausted. Of course. It's ridiculous. We live in a ridiculous country. We always lived in a ridiculous country, but it was always ridiculous in a fun Mr. T kind of way.

Now we've got a different Mr. T. Yeah. Mr. Wow. I didn't think of it as a Mr. Well, you know what? That's one of you had to host the show. Are you scared?

No, I'm not scared. No, I'm not scared. You're hopeful? Am I hopeful? I'm always hopeful. Yeah. I'm always hopeful. Okay.

So, Griffin, the first. No, that was interviewed at C. Seacot, right? He was in the prisons there. That was him. Yeah, that was that was Jimmy Kim alive from Seacot. I'm glad you caught that because I wasn't going to mention that. I thought it was a lot of I could tell from the background, yeah. You know, people do wear fancy jewelry at Seacott, much like at the Oscars. But they tend to be on the different side of the Trump administration.

So that was a joke about Christy Knoam. I now, okay, I'm getting it. God, well. Do you remember her massive ice? Remember her massive like, she, she, She had the, she just, the watch that was like a $20,000 watch or something when she was at SICOT. Another Oscar snub, Christy Knomes ad. That would, that, they spent like 50 million of that 200 on the for your consideration campaign. There was less AI in that ad than in some of the best picture nominees.

Yes. So this comes to the context, I will say, of this Trump post on truth social over the weekend, where it's just unfortunately proving the Jimmy Kimmel jokes correct, which is the worst thing that could come out of my mouth, believe me, where he says he's so thrilled to see Brendan Carr, who's been on the show, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, looking at the licenses of some of these corrupt and highly unpatriotic, quote, news organizations.

They get billions of dollars of free American airwaves and use it to perpetuate lies, both in news and almost all of their shows. I'm just going to pause and say that is in the context of, a 150 word post about the quote fake news getting stories on Iran incorrect. And there he then goes on to call them unpatriotic. There's this entire Tucker Carlson story floating in the ether right now. We haven't quite gotten to the bottom of. Tucker says he thinks he's being referred. There's a criminal referral being drafted by him potentially for communicating with sources in Iran. The CIA is involved according to Tucker's reading of what's happened. So I don't think

it's unfair to read that as Trump directly connecting coverage that's unfavorable to him over the war to then Brendan Carr checking the licenses of the quote news organizations as the president puts it which by the way Griffin you and I both agree they are news organizations in air quotes we can agree with the president on that one yes yeah yeah yeah absolutely and very varying degrees of patriotism I mean I think Brendan if you're listening I do think that there is the most unpatriotic is is cbs i mean it's run by israeli ambassador barry wise um i have not seen tony's birth certificate um but i i hear that he's had a had a name change i think he took his wife's last name so i get you take his birth certificate and um yeah so i think

brendon let's let's clear house let's clean let's clean this up um and then with tucker i it, and it's like Tucker and then like Don Lemon got arrested, I'm so jealous of that. I would love for Emily to be arrested. No, I was because I would love for you to be arrested. I thought that's what I was doing with them. No, you want you to be arrested. Um, on, on breaking points. If you got pulled off set, like mid-taping, oh, like, could you imagine the subscribers? Could you imagine the growth? Like, it's incredible. I think Don Lemon hit like two million subscribers. He's been doing this for like six weeks. Like, come on. Well, what should we- someone arrested on the show what sacred space should we live stream inside of on invited that's an

interesting idea uh a sacred space like a like a church oh okay i've always wanted to go no like a church that's that's what we would have to do to be on don lemon's level to be fair oh oh what are we going to storm oh okay well live stream live stream because we know how to use live stream equipment we approved that in spades at the DNC. So this is a good question. I would love to storm the detention center where Tucker Carlson is being held. Like, you know, I think that would be, that would be such an eclectic group of people. It would be so fun, like maybe memories forever.

I think it would be awesome. Let's hope it doesn't get to that. But Griffin, in all seriousness, the Kimmel's, well, not all seriousness, in some seriousness. The Kimmel. The Kimmel thing. The Kimmel thing is so annoying because for him, he's been doing this. before. It's kind of like getting into Boy Who Cried Wolf territory. Like Trump has been threatening broadcast licenses since his first administration. I don't like it. Brendan Carr has been

threatening it. That didn't happen in the first administration. People think that's different this time around. I don't think it's an overly wonderful state of affairs. I do think we should just change the law so you don't give people partisan bludgeon to use against their enemies when the law is at this point ridiculous because there's no scarcity left in the airwaves. So the public interest standard is crazy. Brendan Carson on the show that he thinks that should be relooked at. But in the meantime, he says he has the duty to do it. So get rid of the law. Anyway, all that is to say, Griffin, it's just, like, Kimmel is so obsessed with these cringe, like, 2017 Trump jokes. And I feel like that's also one of the things that makes people still kind of hate Hollywood. Even though he's not

wrong in this case. It's like, it feels self-aggrandizing. I don't know. Yeah, I do like hate how bad the late night hosts are because I do love the concept and format of like a late night show, but I think that they've been so bad that people are just going to like erase the format forever. But you can see like on YouTube, there's some like fun talk shows. They're canceling. They're canceling not just Colbert. They're canceling the whole show. That's a good point. Yeah. So that's a bummer. I also get frustrated with the, I mean, A, like do you like, do you like, I'm not sure what you think, if you think that the Brendan's going to do it or not. I think they're kind of giving Jimmy like free airtime by, you know, constantly targeting him.

In the same way that like people targeted Trump and that gives him free airtime. But, and like makes him more relevant. But like the thing that's annoyed me outside that conversation is like every liberal that I know in L.A. who like for the last two years of the Israeli genocide were just like, Oh, I actually don't pay attention to the news that much. Then the Jimmy Kimmel thing happened. Everyone's posting on Instagram. Everyone's a news consumer again.

But then, oh, some 19-year-old Palestinian girl gets blackbagged for writing a school essay. Oh, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Like, that's what's really infuriating to me is like no one really gives a shit about any of this stuff unless it's like a celebrity. Right. If it's a circus. Yeah. Like the Ramesa Oz Turk example that you were, I think, just alluding to versus Kimmel, and I would go further and say, somebody on the right, without giving it to the Rachel

Ziegler victimhood complex, I watched all of the free speech warriors, the newfound free speech warriors spend the Biden administration having very little concern, if anything, actually encouraging. What was the name of the lady who was the, she was like the disinformation czar that was appointed by Biden at one point, and then she disputed that she was a disinformation. are, but she was very clearly a disinformation czar. They were cheerleading the reporters, like, digging up people's old posts. Everything you said was, yeah, Nina Jankowitz, thanks, Kelly. Producer Kelly just looked that up.

How could we forget Nina Jankowitz? Yeah, how could we forget? A personal hero of yours, girlfriend, who I'm sorry to have impugned, but it was constant. And I don't know, is it like TikTok brain? Or is it just that we've gotten to a point where literally there's there are so few people that are just completely consistent across the board. Like TikTok brain in terms of like, what do you mean by TikTok brain? Like canceling people, being too woke?

Like what do you mean? But you only care when a story is viral because it involves a celebrity. So it's always going to get more pop if it's a celebrity. Like the algorithm's going to catch it. Well, TikTok's been pretty good or it was pretty good at like singling out, you know, these incredible like horrible acts on Palestinians or ice stuff or whatever. or so I feel like they've been pretty good. I think with the liberals,

especially all the liberals I know here in the entertainment industry, is, you know, they'll post the Black Square. They'll all go out for BLM. But with Israel stuff, or, you know, like, they're going to, they're literally not going to say anything so they can, like, make 10 grand

writing for a Paramount Plus show. It's disgusting. And I do think that has broken the, like, the woke matrix. It's like, oh, like, if like anyone tries to get like canceled like for something, it's like no one has any ground to stand on anymore. Like everyone pretended like a genocide didn't happen for two years. So it's like, I don't know. I think I think that stuff really broke, broke woke.

Ooh, wow. Right off the top of the dome there. That's my book. Broke woke a memoir by Griffith. You have to have the mustache on the cover though. Okay. While we're talking about late night comedy and how. it's spiraled into something unwatchable if you are not like a resistance wine mom.

I want to put F4 up on the screen. This is a variety post about Stephen Colbert. It was a review of Stephen Colbert's long, late show goodbye, which the variety reviewer said is becoming an ego trip. Colbert deserved better treatment from CVS, but watching one person beam while receiving laurel after laurel doesn't make the argument for her show's relevance. Frankly, it is not very good TV, believable, for this relentlessly political host, not in touch with the concerns of people who have been tuning to the late show for its political perspective. And Griffin, I didn't realize how, like, wildly aggrandizing the Colbert farewell tour had been until I read this piece and dug into exactly what's going on at that hour on CBS. But he used to be so funny. And I know,

I'm sure you have that conversation with people, you know, every couple weeks. But he's such a blowhard. I don't know how dumb you have to be to do this, like, produced farewell tour for your own show. When, in fact, by the way, the entire franchise is what's being canceled. That's much sadder than Stephen Colbert. This is the entire legacy of the late show, all of those. Great David Letterman, 10 whatever. sketches, Griffin, that I know you fall asleep

to in the background. The whole legacy gone. And we're supposed to just care about Stephen Colbert. And it's like, it's his fault for the show sucking, but it's also everyone else's fault that works on the show, too. Let's not forget them too. Like, don't forget

the little guys. Don't forget the little guys behind the scenes. It's their fault too. Like, who wants to watch some like modern family star, like talk for like two minutes about their vacation or whatever. Like, it's crazy. And the Colbert thing is like another example of like,

he's like, he like, if he had just stayed like an actor and like a comedian and like doing like characters like Stranger's Candy or whatever. Yeah, that that would have been good. Because he's clearly has like, if he has any political perspective, it's actually way more to the right than people think. he definitely likes I mean he had nothing to say again about Israel over the last couple years

he literally like three or four days before the New York mayor election he had mom Dony on to be like so why do you hate the Jews he's like definitely a center right liberal at best when I think a lot of people viewed him as like a John Stewart politics type guy

like do you remember the COVID thing? thing with John Stewart and Colbert. Do you remember that clip? Yes, I do remember that. That's a good point where Stuart was like to his... Talking about the lab leak. Yeah, Stuart was on the anti-establishment side of that, whereas Colbert was like, and that's what I think over and over again is it's hard for people to disentangle. Like when you say center right liberal to a lot of people on the right, they're like, shut the fuck up, Griffin. Like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

But the institutions were totally captured. by this like cultural progressive inclination for, I don't know, like 10 years. And so that got this, but what it really was from Colbert was pro establishment, pro institution. Right. That's where he was like, went from strangers with candy to being, like, towing the party line across the board on all of the cultural issues. It was because he didn't want to, he wanted to belong to the elite club. He doesn't, he's a member of the team now. And he's being a good team player, essentially.

It's very different than if you're on Strangers with Candy making jokes that would, even to the most hardened Epstein researcher, like you're on cable making jokes that would even make them blush. Yeah, I'm kind of sick. Like, you know, obviously some of the work has been very formative for me, but I'm kind of sick of like the whole daily show like universe. Like I think they should all like even like people are trying to draft John Stewart right now. I'm like, give me a fucking brain.

It's very millennial. It's very millennial code. It's very, it's so, I mean, but which I guess is now like a big voting. population or whatever. But it's like earnest but ironic. You know, it's like trying to do both those things the same time.

I tried to watch the John Oliver episode on J.D. Vance yesterday. And I just like found it very useless. And just like, yeah, I just feel like all that stuff is kind of dated because they like have like the liberal mockery down. But then they don't really like give like what are you supposed to do about any of it? Like they have no,

they don't really have any answers on any of that. So I don't know. It's... It's smug, too. It's like, institutional trust is really low, and they're over and over again, like, deferring to institutions as their dunks on the right. And that's, like, that does not fly anymore because nobody trusts the institutions that they're saying you should defer.

It's actually, like, what you were just talking about with Colbert versus Stewart on the lab leak. The Colbertes of the world are like, but my mom said this. And you're like, fuck your mom. All these shows are made for just moms now. Like there's no way it's like anyone but moms. And who trusts authorities, but the mothers of America, who are the authorities? Listen, I'll let you speak for the women on that one.

I'm not sure. But yeah, did you see the Tucker Carl something on SNL? Yeah, it was seriously terrible. You know what? I'm not going to comment on the quality of it. you know, I am, I am mutual friends with people who are friends with that gentleman. So I will just say, wow, congratulations on getting the job. Yes.

But it was another thing where it was like, I don't know, like, right now, like, Tucker's kind of cooler than you guys. Like, so I don't know. It felt, yeah, it just feels like, it just feels off. And it doesn't feel like they, it doesn't feel like any. of the liberal TV writers have any like understanding like of the moment they're like trying to figure it out they're all

like they're all online they're all seeing these tweets they're seeing the timeline but like they don't really understand like the language the meanings like behind any of it so yeah you're getting these like very elementary like school attempts to like wrap yourself

around the culture and like what's happening right now um I like the Mah Hospital sketch. I actually thought that one was kind of good. The Maha Pit. The video SNL sketches are always better. Whoever's directing and riding them, they're always just like, yeah,

they're usually some of the best ones. And hey, I'm an SNL lover. I watch every single episode. There's usually at least one good sketch. And that's a pretty good ratio, actually. Not bad. Not bad in the comedy world. But yeah, it's frustrating because, for example,

Alex DeWitts, Tucker is ridiculous. Understone, one release Gendell's client list. What is that? It's been years since his dad. Yeah, no one will explain why he was traveling with four young hobbits. Where were they going? Some type of mountain retreat. His laugh is better, yeah.

At one point, they were said to be passed off to Aragorn. We were interviewed Frodo. He said that Aragorn promised the second breakfast, then led them up to Weathertop, where he left them there to be surrounded by four tall men in black cloaks. That's Illuminati shit if ever I heard it. We also obtained a... It's just like a much...

more, um, you're adding something to it. Like for instance, a lot of, a lot of liberal S&L comedy is just recreating the moment that already happened. So it's like the Trump sketches are just kind of doing what Trump already did without like putting a hat on it.

I was talking to him like my friend yesterday, we were shooting a sketch. And he was like, the thing that you should do with Tucker or not Tucker with the thing you should do with Trump is put him, he's like, it's so high stakes. He's a clown in a really high stakes position.

So you, got to invert it. It should be Trump in a low stakes position. He should be like a baseball coach or something like that. Like he should be in a very low stakes situation being like that. And that would be funny and different. But like I think a lot of liberal comedy gets trapped in just kind of like recreating it. So yeah, I like that that guy added something, but also he's got the face down. He's got like. Yeah, and the mannerisms and the laugh. The pained face to the Joker laugh. Yeah, he's got a good. Yeah, you can actually like watch someone to do an impression of them.

This was the Alec Baldwin problem. Oh, that's a good point too. Yeah. Was so angry at Trump that he was barely even consuming Trump, at least not without his like lens of hatred, which is all well and good. But it's not going to make the impression very good. All right, Griffin, I got to take a quick break to sell some products. Let's talk about lean. Everybody is talking about weight loss injections.

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Here's Robbie Hoffman's new Netflix special. Oh, you're going to get me in trouble for this one, Emily. And I'll say this. If you ever went by they, them, you should not be able to go back. No backseys, you plural bitch. No backsees. after all of that. I'm going to pretend to not things is funny.

My friend came up to me. She said, oh, yeah, I'm not really doing that. Anyway, she's been doing they then for six years. She's like, I'm not really doing that anymore. I'm like, oh, yes, you are. Oh, yes, you fucking are. But, like, you don't even have to agree with the politics of it, Griffin. Like, it reminds me of what we were just talking about

with the Alex DeWitt Tucker impression versus the S&L Tucker impression and other people. Like Nick Mullen has a Tucker impression that people really like too. But you can't be so consumed with hatred and anger that it makes it impossible for you to just make a joke. And I feel like Robbie Hoffman, who's completely aligned politically,

I would assume with you and genuine leftists is actually making a good joke there, at the expense of her own side. Yeah, I did see some people angry at this. I do think you, it is, it is just comedy. And if it's like, if it's funny, then it's, then it's funny or whatever. Yeah. And I also think like, hmm.

Robbie Hoffman is great and hacks, by the way. Some of my favorite trans comedians are like ones that can like go up and be like very self-deprecating. There's because there's a lot of really funny trans comedians. So yeah, you got to be able to laugh at yourself. You also have to be like, it's like a joke. Robbie Hoffman is not going around. detransing people or whatever. Not yet. Not yet.

Well, we never know. But like, yeah, on top of all that, hmm, yeah, there's like something about, especially with the right when they say, it's just a joke or whatever.

And you mentioned, you mentioned Nick Mulling, okay? And I didn't know that you were a Comtown listener. I'm not, I'm not, to be fair. I've dipped into a couple, I've dipped into a couple times, but...

But here's the important point. Like, the reason that Nick can do things that are racist or inappropriate is because you've sensed that there's no hate in his heart. And the problem with conservative comedians a lot of the time is you feel like they actually mean it. Like, they actually do hate the people they're making fun of. I have never hated anyone as much as I hate you. Oh, well, see, and that's funny. But like when you see these like conservative older people, when you see like, what's Adam Sandler's friend?

What's his name? I know you're talking about from grandma's boy. These guys, they go out there and it's clear that like they're they're the ones triggered when they make these jokes about trans people or about other stuff. Like they're actually upset. And that's like that's not funny. So like you taking things too seriously as bad comedy, whether you're a conservative or a liberal. But but also like not just seriously, but that you actually like kind of kind of. I have like this like you actually do hate like the people when you're making a hateful joke.

That's not funny. And that's why. It's kind of funny when Anthony Jezzelnick doesn't. But like that's all part of the act too. And like the reason why Nick Mullen gets away with it is because people, most people at the end of the day, like knew that he's like not racist and not cruel. Whereas you don't really get that sense from some of these triggered conservative comedians. So I think that's like, that's the line for me. As someone who does very offensive comedy, uh, and like you people have to know what's kind of like in your heart and they get that

from the performance from the way the joke's constructed. And like that's, I think, what makes it okay. Like it's all, you're making a joke. You're not making a statement. And I think that's what concertives get wrong. Well, far be it from me to like theorize this in front of somebody who actually the stand-up. No, no. You like comedy, too. You know a lot. I just think it's, you also have to know your part in the ecosystem that you're a jester, and that's not an insignificant part of the, like, ecosystem of a constitutional republic or a democratic society. I think it's a very important part, but it's also the release valve, and it's the satire, and it's not the policymaker, and it's not the principal of the school. It's a different role. It's, it's a different role.

And I think sometimes comedians and Jimmy Kimmel is sort of a good example. And he falls into this trap. You could say it's like actually a trap to some extent laid by Trump. I don't know how intentional it was. It's not like a 5D chess move. But when you cast yourself as the protagonist as a comedian, it's kind of off-putting because nobody is seeing you that way in the audience. They're seeing you as the jester and the source of that sort of emotional release

or catharsis. Yeah, I hope so because there's this whole thing now with like the comedians are now like in charge of the elections and in charge of who becomes president and stuff. And that is kind of like people's fault, I guess, for like, you know, taking them. No, it's the media's fault. No, it's the media's fault for being so shitty. It's the media's fault for being so shitty that people turned to Joe Rogan. Yeah, maybe.

I do think that if you listen to Theo Vaughn, talk about doing coke out of a hooker's asshole and then go, and now I'm going to hear his like geopolitical take, like that and you didn't take it with a grain of salt, then that's like a media literacy issue for people more than it is like the mainstream media failing. But the mainstream media also failed. So you know what? But I don't think anybody really votes that way, though.

I think it's more like it contributes to the vibes. And if the like the vibes are very anti-institutional, and it's because the institutions keep failing over and over again. you leave people tuning out or to the extent they're getting news, they're not getting it from CBS Nightly News. They're getting it because their favorite comedians are sitting down with Trump or J.D. Vance or whatever because they're purporting to be anti-institutional. Now it hasn't exactly panned out that way. And it's not entirely surprising, but it's, I mean, it's the fault of Kimmel for not giving people something better, to be honest. I think that's definitely like

part of it, yeah, is like that they suck so people look for for other stuff. But yeah, I don't think that the Nelk boys are the replacement. Or maybe they are. I'm sorry, Nelk boys. But yeah, I mean, but like going back to like the whole inappropriate joke thing. Do you kind of get what I'm saying? Yeah, I hear you're saying. The stakes are not low.

I'm talking about like, and who's the guy on S&L is like Jim Brewer or whatever? Yeah, that guy. Like, yeah, that's a good example. They, they, it's not funny if the, if the comedian is, triggered. This is why this is why Nanette was I mean, honest, honest, honest, honest, uh, live reviewers would have had the same reaction to Nanette, uh, which I actually found very interesting, but I think the reason it was ultimately cringe and like painful was that it just plainly wasn't intended to really be that funny.

Funny. Yes. Or like, that's what people wanted. Don't get me started on Bo Burnham. Bo fucking Burnham. Okay? Listen, and that's dangerous for me. Toxic millennial behavior. He is a male Taylor Swift. A male Taylor Swift. Oh, my God.

That's so, that's, that's, listen, this is why we got to take over breaking points. Okay. We're on the same wavelength here. He was probably one of the most calamitous things to happen to this country of all time. Yeah. He was. 2010, Bo Burnham. We all should have stopped at it.

Well, what about the pandemic, the stuff? or whatever. Also, but that's one thing we should stop him in 2010. If you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you? I don't, would he be a fan of Bo Burnham? If you could go back in time and smuggle baby Bo Burnham's career in its bad, would you do it? Yeah, you'd be like, you can only get one charge of the time machine. Who are you going to go, who are you going to go for? I'm going for early career Bo Burnham. Early career Bo Burnham. Yeah. I did walk by Bo Burnham in the early 2010s in New York City and I offered him a joint and he kind of big dogged me. So, okay, all right.

This is personal. This is very personal. No, but yeah. So again, I think the thing we're agreeing on is like when comedy is like self flattering or trying to make like a statement or whatever, it's like less interesting. And that goes for both sides. and like I think that The statement has to be downstream of the joke

It has to be secondary Right like the joke has to be funny And then if it's funny And it's making a good argument Then it's a bonus But I even hate like the The lefties that do the George Carlin thing Like I know George Carlin said some base things

Or whatever But like It's again it's like Needing the comedy To be your political statement or whatever It's like do you guys Have any of these people resharing these Carlin Clips, like watched a single Carlin special?

Like, are they, do they watch stand-up at all? Or is this just like another political prop? So, yeah, I think both sides have this issue. I'm bravely saying that. Thank you, Griffin, for being willing to take a hard look at both sides. Okay, let's go with Jerry O'Connics. We were just talking about personal. Oh, I'm so excited for this.

These are crazy. I cannot believe, like, I genuinely can't believe that club random exists. We got to get in the club. Let alone that people go on it. Me and Emily wait in line outside the club, and they always turn us away. Even though we bring plenty of women. We bring a lot of women. We're always outside the studio door with chicks.

All right. This was a really uncomfortable moment. If it's an uncomfortable moment on club random, that means it's a very uncomfortable moment because it has to stand out. So let's roll Jerry O'Connell talking about his own family. He seemed to be while he was telling the story, trying to determine whether he should be telling this story. Never a good sign, Jerry.

This is S-8. I was watching late at night, the returns, and I'll be honest with you, I didn't think Trump was going to win. I live in California. I said something along the lines of like, there was no planning, this is what they get. There should have been a primary. I said something along those lines, you know?

Like, I was just spittballing ideas as to, it was a shock, you know. My wife and daughters. Jerry, no Without saying anything Became Became physical with me They were This is a classic example of K-Hive

They were filled with rage So If I am being careful with you In how I say things Yes, I live in California I live with Not one, not two, but three people Who

If I'm in any kind On his face right here Sniker Laser They would they've become very angry with me, you know? Well, I don't want to tell you how to live your life, but I couldn't live that way. All I see is Kyle Donegan now. It's it.

And it's hard to see, it's hard to see Kyle Dunnigan as Bill Maher, when you already have seen him as Reno 911, Kyle Doniggan, which is a serial killer. But nonetheless, Griffin, what the... The reason I want to talk about this with you is I think Jerry O'Connell is speaking to something that still exists among, to the point you were making earlier, like the people who are watching Kimmel, it's not obviously enough people or Colbert. Like, is that still a thing and why? Well, I mean, like I said in the clip, this is a classic K-Hive scenario. Yes, and why is that still a thing? they are they are jihadists they are violent uh they they literally they say one wrong thing

they will docks you they will black bag you and drag you to uh yeah um they they're a scary bunch the k-hive but i i'm i don't know exactly know where their power is shifting now khyb by the is actually what kamala harris voters called themselves during the 2020 primary i said 2020 really what I mean is 2019 because the woman dropped out in December of 2019 before the Iowa caucuses, but nonetheless Griffin continued, just in case people had forgotten the lore. That's good to mention. So, yeah, the K-hybe thing, they've always been the most, like, aggressive online fan base. Now, I think with his family, there's probably just kind of like part of the liberal hellhole cess pit here or what have you.

And I do feel bad for Jerry here. because he's kind of just like a dog, which is what all actors should be. Actors are kind of like, they're not thinkers, they're feelers, you know, and so I do feel bad for him

because he seems to be really trying his best, but he mentioned a primary, and that's the no word. It's a bad word. Why? Again, like, where is this kind of, I'm genuinely interested

because you spend time with a different crowd than I do. I'm genuinely curious, where you think it comes from, that people are so, like, did not want to let that happen. And O'Connell's clearly still, his family is clearly still stuck in 2024. And I do think that's a thing. His family's super rich, obviously. And in the Hollywood bubble, I don't know what possesses somebody to still be sensitive

about Kamala Harris in the year of our Lord 2026. I think it was probably, I mean, we were talking about K-Hive. For them, it was probably less that and more just the sense that, like, Trump is president again and like being very like upset and triggered that it's like all happening again. So like I think that was probably just like a larger liberal reaction. And like normies don't understand like how that all happened like all the pieces that led to here. They just know that the orange guy's back. And so yeah, they're just kind of like upset by it, I think. In terms of like the liberal hellhole status here in Los Angeles. So Hollywood still really, really bad. But I

went to a fundraiser recently for Abdul Al-Sayed, who's running for Senate in Michigan. And this is at a fancy house in Hancock Park, very fancy West L.A. neighborhood. Fancy house resist signs on the wall. Emmy on the shelf. Very thin, expensive jackets.

And they're all there talking about APEC, talking about genocide, talking about the oligarchy. So I think there's like an avalanche coming for the Democratic Party and that the Democratic establishment is not is not ready for. Not Jerry O'Connell's household and not on the set of club random. No, no, no. Jerry's house where he's waterboarded nightly. Apparently.

Yeah, I think that there's like actually for the first time, like actually a liberal radicalization that's occurring. That is, you know, they're not be. They don't watch. A lot of them probably don't watch Jimmy anymore. And I think that, yeah, I think there is a big shift there. We'll see how big of a shift. How big of a shift this Dem Tea Party moment is.

But I do think there is something changing. But then with Hollywood, it's pretty much as bad as it's ever bad. And I don't really see that changing any time soon. Well, that's sad. That's depressing. And we'll just keep the depression rolling because before we have more club random. No, we don't. That actually, in a sense, though, it does kind of lift me up, right?

Because it's beautiful, right? It's the twilight of the boomers and they are lapping up every second of it. And I feel bad for like all, like, I feel bad for all these celebrities that get tricked into going on club random for Bill to just yell at them. Yes, yes. It's like, this is the guy from kangaroo Jack. And you're like dunking on him like, like, like, like it's like a jeez. Yeah, I mean, you know who has a more filled in political perspective? The kangaroo.

Like, it's just, it's just absurd that like Bill wants to like have this podcast, bring every A-Lister entertainment person in and then just like yell at them and lecture them. Like, this is not their thing. Like, Bill, like have some have some more people. And like, I know he had like, you know, I know he has politics people sometime on it. But it's just, it's a little, it's like, it's like Duncan on the JV squad. You know, these people, they don't have like the language to equip to debate him about trans stuff or, you know, whatever. Like I saw a few other clips debating the trans thing, debating woke stuff. These people have no idea what's going on.

And they're like drunk on his warm tequila. I was going to play this clip of Jane Fonda, boomer maxing at the Oscars last night, where she said, in reference to the CNN merger and Ted Turner, quote, I slept with the guy who started it. Incredible moment, but we're a little short on time, so we're just going to, I think the audience can envision that. And maybe it'll be better. Envision Jane Fonda sleeping with David Zazlov? Well, not just her sleeping with Ted Turner, but also decades later at the Oscars. Again, boomer Maxine talking about how it gives her some authority over the subject of the merger, just a perfect moment. But I do want to cover an enormously grim war update that is serious,

but so ridiculous, Griffin, that it could be out of like idiocracy. This is F5, a Times of Israel headline today by Emmanuel Fabian, who wrote about gamblers trying to win a bet on Polly Market, quote, are vowing to kill me if I don't rewrite in Iran missile story, quote, betters are using death threats to try to get the time of Israel's military correspondent to change his report on a missile impact in central Israel. This is his alarming account. This is a line from it. What I thought was a seemingly minor incident during the war has turned into days of harassment and death threats against me.

So he reported about a strike in Israel, confirming it on their live blog, on the Times of Israel live blog. And because someone had bet on Polly Market that a strike wouldn't have a crime. heard by that time on Israel, they were trying to get him to change it and to correct it, that it was fragments that had been hit by an interceptor and scattered on the ground. He said that it wasn't true. And so he wasn't going to change it and was getting harassed over and over again. And it's, again, it sounds like idiocacy, but what's terrifying about this Griffin is we are proceeding at pace with no regulatory interest whatsoever in things like polymarket into a war where now people are harassing journalists to change their story, which media coverage of war changes war.

It is part of war. It is an important part of war. It is propaganda. It is in the best cases, accountability and transparency. But it is nonetheless an active component of war. And when you have people betting on that, the people who are involved who are civilians and are not in the military, they're not military leaders, they are then getting pressured to take part in changing their coverage of the war, which again is part of the war. It's too meta to even describe, but it is so heinous. You can't help but look at everything we've talked about tonight and say this is why institutional trust is at rock bottom in the country, because you see, first of all, whales betting on Kalshi over the Venezuelan nonsense. You know whales are betting on the rest of the stuff. It's like you too much to keep track. of. And you see people like Don Jr. are on the board of, he's on the board of Polymarket and Kalshi. He's like an advisor to both. I should say, I don't know he's formally on the board of both, but he's an advisor to both. It's getting to like French revolution levels of being taunted by the Royals. Yeah, that's why I actually am saying, let's keep building the ICE detention

centers because we need somewhere to put all the Polymarket people. I don't like it. Hot take. I don't like the gambling stuff. Will, but will you call up both sides? I will. What's the other side? The people dying? The people are getting hit with the missiles? No, Democrats and Republicans, Griffin. I think they are both implicated. I don't know if you saw Jim Messina recently saying it's Democrats are fucking up with young men because they're anti-gambling.

Yeah. I actually, and I actually do think the conservatives will get ahead of it with that one and be like the first people, they'll be like the first people to be the anti-gambling maybe or at least some people might in like the weird kind of sloppulous right space. But yeah, it now I have to disclose that I do have a ongoing bet about how many fingers Bebby Netanyahu has at a given day based on the AI videos of him. But yeah, it's really bad. And, you know, I don't know, like it has to be stopped. And I think the only way it's actually going to stop is once it destroys the 2028 election.

Because like what's to stop some county clerk in a swing state? Right. Dropping 30,000 votes. I mean, I'm sure, hey, do we got any stop the Steelers in this chat? That's about to be the most trusted election of all time compared to you. Yeah, Hillary Clinton's in the chat. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Hillary, Brendan Carr, all you guys.

Yeah, so we're a reactive species. And I think that we're going to have to have it go really, really bad. before it all gets banned. But yeah, I think it ruins sports. Now it's going to ruin politics and movies. And then, yeah, just every waking moment of your life. But you can't really blame the betters. I mean, what else are they supposed to do?

You know, where are they supposed to go? This is, well, as I say, this is what I mean by the elites like taunting you. They're giving you a little play thing. Like you feel as though you're totally disempowered. from the democratic process. They're not voting on this war and the president campaigned against starting new wars. Two of those things. So it leaves the average American feeling disempowered because they didn't vote for this.

The representative government didn't even vote on the war. And they're like, what, that's okay. You can bet on it and make some change. You can make some pocket money. You can make some beer money. Have fun. Plebe we're running the world. yeah uh there's three jobs you can have right now one is to be one of those like

fulfillment ship station guys you could be a crypto guy or you could do this gambling thing and those are the three industries that we've given uh the youth and and so i i mean i guess you can't can't blame them um but it is it is disgusting and it's also like disgusting that like CNN has like the Kalshi or Polly Market Board now? Like they have like a segment, right? Mm-hmm. They do. Yeah. I think it's Kalshi.

There are so many enemies, Emily. We have so many villains up against us. There's so many. You think we're ever going to get them all? Well, Griffin, I'd like to say we'll get them all on both sides. We will. We will not stop with one side. We will go for both sides.

And that takes real courage and bravely. is there is there like a big Democrat gambler guy right now like I don't think so Jim Messina America's sweetheart

the sort of king of the bros Jim Messina I feel like politicians just aren't talking about it right like they're just kind of like ignoring it like I don't I don't see a lot of like well I guess CNN

I mean I guess you could you could say CNN I guess yeah the mainstream the mainstream have you ever done a bet Have ever done a bet? Like on, not on like Calshare,

polymarket, no. Yeah, I haven't either. But you've bet. You've bet money in a gambling scenario. Like on March badness. Or actually,

no, traders. Bracketology. It's a cool app that lets you. And I started one for breaking points, but despite everyone clamoring for one, nobody took the bait.

The biggest victim of all of this is Vegas. Because Vegas is a beautiful place. And, And they used to have the monopoly on gambling. And I used to go to Vegas a lot, not to gamble, but to enjoy the culture. The magic. I would watch carrot top. I love going to see carrot top.

And now Vegas is drying up. And so we have to, if anything, we have to run on a pro Las Vegas platform to make it great again, essentially. Mala. Mala. Moldva. Yeah. Before you go, I do want to ask a chat question. This is from Steve who says,

does this dude think he could fight in Taiwan? Is this a cat Abu Ghazala voter? What are we talking about here? I think you can do it. Do they have a specific fighting style that's incredibly difficult over there? There's some great Thai martial arts. Taiwan, Taiwan. Taiwan, Taiwan, Taiwanese martial arts.

not familiar with it. Maybe they could get my ass. I think you could fight in Taiwan. I suppose it's more a question of whether you would. Well, I guess we'd be fighting China. How much of a patriot are you? Yeah. We'd be fighting China.

You'd be fighting Chinese AI theft in the movie business. So actually, you might be one of our strongest soldiers because that gets you very mad. They got to take over. They absolutely have to take over. They have to invade, at least California. I think that would be good. Yeah, to answer your question, but is it does feel like the Taiwan thing is back on the menu. Like, aren't they surrounded?

Oh, my gosh, yes. Aren't they, like, surrounded by military, Chinese military right now? Yeah, there have been developments in the South China Sea, which is not the, it's not remotely surprising because despite what the president says, our military supplies are being depleted, we are still fighting a proxy war in Ukraine that already depleted our weapon stock and are yeah, we're now in Iran. So things are, things could have to be going better. We have to always root it in the human rights of the silicon chips that are made in Taiwan. That's where we need to root it. That's a great place to leave it. Griffin Davis, executive

producer of Breaking Points. And where can people check out your comedy, Griffin? Yeah, we're on YouTube. We've restarted on YouTube. We're also on Instagram. Chum Room. You can search that on YouTube. It was originally a phrase that Barack Obama used back in the day. Chung Gang. Chungang, absolutely. Yeah, the real heads know.

And we're taking that phrase back. So yeah. And this is also produced by Barack Obama, which, again, might scare away some people in this audience. But he, you know, bad president, great sketch comedy producer. And he took a chance on a young talent. like yourself and despite your political differences too. So once again, sometimes two sides can

come together, Griffin. Like you and me, Emily, we're taking over breaking points. First it's saga, then it's Ryan, and then it's Crystal. In that order. It has to be that order. All right, Griffin Davis, enjoy the rest of your evening in the Hollywood Hills. We got to watch the sunset behind you. It was really lovely. Absolutely. Salute to you. I love after party. I love you, Emily, your talent, you're incredible, and we both agree on concealed carry. So, you know, get out of here, Griffin. Bye. I actually don't know where Griffin stands on Concealed Carry, so that could go either way. All right, more after this quick break. I think we're going to set another record for episode

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All right, let's close it out this evening with Joy Reid, who had this to say on a recent podcast, I think it's from just a few days ago, about women in Iran and women in the United States. Let's roll the clip. Now, I'm not saying that that regime is not bad, But by the way, our regime is not good. Our regime has secret police.

They have secret police. Our regime is oppressing women, taking away abortion rights, taking away women's rights in like 26 states. Some states where they're trying to have the death penalty for having an abortion. They also oppress women. They have the highest rate of women who are in STEM careers. We're kicking women out of the military, out of university. We're saying that DEI means women can't be hired for high positions in the science. So we're marginally better, and we're doing it for Christianity.

They're doing it for Islam, right? So it's like we don't get told those things because it would take away the kind of American exceptionalism narrative. I mean, I'm very glad that the women of Iran are thriving in STEM careers to say, quote, we're marginally better, on quote, on women's rights. as Joy Reid just did, is representative of a serious malady the feminist left has had for many, many years. When you create a machine like second wave feminism that is meant to tackle particular problems, and you solve those problems, the inertia, and this happens on the right with interest groups as well. But you build up these big special interest machines to tackle a specific problem. And then once you address that problem, women in the United States can have their own

credit cards now. We have Title IX for women's sports. Do we have problems? Sure. Do I wildly disagree with Joy Reid's characterization of abortion? Yes. But overall, to chalk up these differences to, quote, marginal ones, that is a slap in the face to the women who came before Joy Reid and actually solved repeatedly real problems for women, put a lot on the line to do it, worked very hard, blood, sweat, and tears into that battle. And then Joy Reid comes around in 2026 and says,

we are marginally better than Iran. they're bad, but we're not good. This is what Joy Reid said. That's something of a separate debate. I'll put that to the side. But again, we're marginally better. We're marginally better on women's rights. So I'm going to go ahead here and pull up a report from Amnesty International.

I'm putting on the screen. This is their latest human rights report from Iran. I'll scroll here to the, of us the wrong one. I'm going to scroll back over, and while I do that, I'm going to scroll over to the women's rights section of their latest, yep, here it is, their latest research, human rights, women and girls' rights. Authorities continue to treat women as second-class citizens, including in relation to marriage, divorce, child custody, employment, inheritance, and political office.

Authorities use politically motivated charges carrying the death penalty against women, human rights defenders. Let's see the part here. The legal age of marriage for girls remained at 13, and fathers could obtain judicial permission to subject their daughters to forced marriage at a younger age. Can go on and on here, but I posted on X also. from the, from a report on this, quote, women are also prohibited from entering the workplace without wearing a hijab, dancing in public, riding bicycles, joining the army, participating in public sports, and becoming president.

Women's mobility and autonomy are further restricted by the requirement of a male relative's permission or consent. I don't even know why I am dignifying this with a, that was from the EU, by the way. I don't even know why I'm dignifying this by going to like the NGOs and reading their reports on human rights. Listen, I get that a lot of what you're going to hear from the EU and other NGOs about what's happening in Iran is wrong and it's propaganda. I know that. I understand that. This is a demonstrated fact pattern and Joy Reid is denying it for the sake of putting down the United States, which people on her own team worked over the course of many, many years to

make better for women. She is erasing that to put down the United States for the sake of criticizing Trump in this case. If you pause for a moment and realize what the implication of what she's saying is, again, you realize she is erasing the work of many feminists. And you have to disentangle the feminist movement, of course, you can't disentangle the feminist movement from the sexual revolution. That was a tide that rose and lifted both of those boats at the same time. But some of those victories were legitimate and real and good for women.

And Joy Reid is just slapping all of those women in the face. And by the way, also American men who started to back these victories for women. It's just a remarkable lack of perspective. It's stupid. It's insulting. It's all of those things. And it's so unnecessary if you're actually being. a rational human being. But again, for the sake of putting down the United States,

it's easy to say, well, these are marginal differences. I'd love to know how she defines marginal. I'd love to sort of cross from her and go through the evidence that we have. Like, again, I get that there's propaganda about women in Iran. I understand that. And I get there's propaganda about Iran in general. I've criticized it before. But to say, that there are only marginal differences between women's rights in the United States and Iran is again to minimize the efforts of people on the left who Joy Reid is an inheritor of, an inheritor of that tradition. It's just silly. It's just silly. And it's very easy for people to lose perspective now. And that's one of the hard things. It's seeing the glass as half

empty versus half full. It's very difficult to see the glasses as anything but half empty when you're in the middle of these news cycles. I get it. I totally get it. This is a bleak news cycle. This war is a bleak news cycle. I feel like the last 10 years, let alone like 20 years, has just been full of bleak news cycles. And I'm sure people older than me would say it's been that case for even longer. The last 10 years have been particularly acute. At least 10 years have been particularly acute, I think. But a lot of people have spilled a lot of blood, sweat, and tears in the United States of America to make our lives better. And it's so insulting to minimize that and lose sight of it, especially for partisan purposes.

So I wanted to end on that because I just couldn't let. it sit. I just couldn't let it sit. It probably doesn't surprise any of you, but I had to. All right, this probably is the record for longest after party ever. I could have kept going for a long time with Griffin. It was a ton of fun, just kind of chop it up with him. So go check out his work at the Chum Room and check us at breaking points, of course, too. Thanks so much for tuning into today's edition of After Party. It really helps us if you subscribe, subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcast. So appreciate you being, here. Like I said, it's episode 73. We're having tons of fun coming up soon on our one-year

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