After Party with Emily Jashinsky - Trump’s Economic “D-DAY,” Mark Cuban Goes GOP?! El-Sayed’s Fox Disaster, w/ Ryan Girdusky, & WNBA Trans Fight ERUPTS

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Emily Jashinsky is joined by Ryan Girdusky, founder of the 1776 Project PAC and host of “It's A Numbers Game with Ryan Girdusky,” to react to the Trump administration declaring “economic D-Day�� against Iran and examine what the president’s latest polling could mean for Republicans in the midterms. They also break down Mark Cuban’s claim that he would run for president as a Republican, the growing revolt against AI data centers, and Scott Galloway’s prediction that Gavin Newsom will become president. Later, Emily and Ryan react to Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed’s contentious Fox News interview and Anna Faris publicly challenging her son’s Christian and pro-life beliefs, before Emily weighs in on Enes Kanter Freedom’s escalating battle with the WNBA over transgender athletes, and more…   PreBorn: Help save a baby go to https://PreBorn.com/Emily or dial #250 keyword BABY   SelectQuote: Compare top‑rated life insurance options. Visit https://SelectQuote.com/emily to get the right coverage at the right price.   Ghostbed: Discover how GhostBed’s cooling, pressure-relieving design can help you sleep more comfortably and wake up feeling refreshed, plus get an extra 10% off their lowest prices of the season at GhostBed.com/EMILY with code EMILY. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, everyone, welcome to the After Party. Thank you so much for being here. Our guest is Ryan Gerdeski. We're going to bring him in in just one moment. But first, a little preview of what's to come. Mark Cuban thinks that he could run for president as a Republican if he ran in 2028, which, you know, he's not saying he's going to. But if he did, he thinks that he could run as a Republican.

Meanwhile, he's like complimenting James Tolariko because that makes sense. But all this is happening, of course, as Republicans are in the middle of this trade war with Canada, in the middle of an actual war, Iran. So we're going to break down some updates on that front. Now, also because Ryan's here, I wanted to get into some of the numbers and what they tell us about the data center backlash. You know, it's all kind of starting to come together, data center flock backlash. You're starting to see a real rejection of the top-down push from big tech. And it's having some interesting political consequences. Republicans starting to try and distance themselves from big tech.

Meanwhile, Scott Galloway is saying everybody in America is sexist and racist. Well, he's not saying everybody in America is sexes and racist. He's saying that America itself is sexist and racist. Abdul El-Said is bringing J.D. Vance's wife into the conversation in a really kind of low blow way. It reminded me a little bit of the Natalie Harp Quip. He was also just on Jesse Waters. You know, I'm not going to be like retreating to the fainting couch over what any of these people people say we are in the era of Donald Trump after all. But I want to talk a bit about the political

consequences of all of that. And Anna Ferris talked openly about challenging her Christian son, partially on his privilege. That was the word that she used. So she's also been, she just seems kind of rough lately, which I hate because I've always loved Donna Ferris. And finally, we'll round up the show with what happened at the fever sky game on Sunday with an ex-canter freedom, I'm actually ending up getting kicked out of the game. So as you can see, there is much to discuss on today's edition of After Party. Please do subscribe to the YouTube channel. If you haven't done that yet, that really is the best way to help the show, like, comment, all of that.

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slash Emily. All right. Ryan Gerdesky is with us. He's founder of the 1776 Project Pack and host of. It's a numbers game with Ryan Gerdesky. Ryan, thanks for being here.

Thank you for having me. Well, some people may remember you're a little too spicy for CNN, so you're just right for after party. You know, I had to do one other thing in my life. Like, that can't be the last thing I've ever known for is getting canceled on CNN. They have new owners soon.

So maybe I'll go. back and get recancel, then maybe the second cancellation would be more popular than the first one. People can Google that if they are unaware of what we're discussing. But let's talk about today's announcement from Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, who declared economic D-Day on Iran, even as many Americans are feeling like it's economic D-Day here state size. That may be overstates the case slightly. But let's give everyone a taste of what Treasury Secretary Scott Besson announced. Basically, this is another round of sanctions against anybody who is doing business with Iran, not just on Iran itself, but this is a round on trading partners of Iran and the like,

a round of sanctions on trading partners with Iran. Here's how he described it at the Treasury Department today. Any entity that facilitates money laundering on behalf of Iran will be removed from the U.S. dollar system. The clock just started ticking. The new sectoral sanctions determinations issued today target five of Iran's most vital lifelines that it exploits in other countries, digital assets, technology, gold, aviation, and shipping. These measures broaden secondary sanctions risk for anyone foolish enough to continue conducting business with this regime and will accelerate the speed with we, pursue them. As I speak, Treasury's Office of Foreign Asset Control is also sanctioning over 60 entities, individuals, and vessels around the world that enable the Iranian regime to procure illicit nuclear and missile technology, conduct cyber operations, and generate oil revenue.

This is a sustained campaign to collapse every last option for Iran. Okay, so that's really going to hit China. Other trading partners, Turkey, Brazil, but China's the big one. And they could have done that on day one of the war. But Ryan, I'll get your read on this. It seems to me that the war, the hawks aren't happy with it. The doves aren't happy with it. The American people aren't happy with it. The Trump administration itself isn't happy with it and doesn't want to pursue military escalation at this point. Doesn't want to lose more Americans overseas because they know that will be even more unacceptable to the American. people. We can put these latest numbers up on the screen, random numbers, guys. So let's take a look here at the latest Trump approval ratings. This is from USA Today that says amid President Donald Trump's record low approval ratings nationally, a new UGov economist projection says the president's net job approval is negative in all but three states. According to the economists in UGov, more people disapprove than approve of Trump's performance in 47 out of 50 states and in the District of Columbia. Well, that's obvious. The three states where the majority of respondents still approve of the president are

Wyoming. He's up 14 in Wyoming. He's up nine in Idaho and six in West Virginia. All three went for Trump in 16, 20, 2024 presidential elections. So, Ryan, to me, this feels like an effort to keep the war going without seating anything. The MOU expired last week and to do it in a way that just, I guess, does it involve an escalation on the military front? Well, I, you know, my sources in and around the Trump administration had always told me that the president said a ground invasion is off the table, even though he says everything's on the table, which he always says, but everything, it was really off the table. And with the Kurds not invading either because Aragon got involved or because they were never going to invade, there was a, there was a

conversation whether or not they got munitions for an invasion in 2025. They say they did and they said it got stolen. Trump said it, Trump's administration said it got stolen. They said they were never, they never, they never were never receiving it it's very confusing these are not it's not a region of the world with a lot of very clear and coherent uh movement and allies and at that and and i i i think i think they're trying to find some kind of a solution at any at any way possible and they've outside of bombing civilian sites i found a few but them but not many um there's a very limited military sites still to bomb there's a munition shortage there's high oil prices like we are in it We're in a crossroads.

And I think, I mean, Trump, this is for Maggie Heyerman, John Swan's book. Trump made this decision on his own from his gut instinct. He believed this be an easy war to win. It is not. And we are just in this kind of like never ending, you know. Holding pattern. Yeah, exactly. It's not a war war because we're not invading, but we're just like constantly bombing,

but then taking long breaks in between. It's like the Ross and Rachel relationship. We're on again, off again. We don't really know what's going on. So who's Ross and who's Rachel in this? We are definitely, uh, Rachel. We have definitely had the personality to support her for sure. Ross thought we were on the break.

Yeah. There you go. That's fair. Well, meanwhile, he's in the middle of a trade war with Canada. Um, this is this announcement from Besson, as we already mentioned, really targets China. Mark Carney and Donald Trump going back and forth. Looks like we're probably going to, I mean, I don't know. It always changes with Trump.

But Carney, I'm reading from Axios here, quote, walked away from trade talks. with the Trump administration Friday and vowed to match new 50% U.S. tariffs, dollar for dollar, winning broad support at home. And that is not surprising at all. What would also not be surprising is if Trump did, and I'm going to use the phrase, it's a controversial phrase, did a little bit of a taco. We have seen that before. But things are not great right now when you look at his numbers as we just were talking about Ryan. Again, as is a numbers guy, when you look at this and you look at Trump standing down the battle of a heightened trade war with both Canada and China. He already has a pretty decent level up of tariffs from the previous administration.

Do you think he has the, what's the way to put this? Do you think he has the political cash right now to see this through? Capital, floating the capital. Carney probably does. I mean, with trade with Canada, we're talking about three major resources, right? We're talking about oil. We're talking about lumber. talking primarily about dairy.

Those are the three major ones that we get a lot of our trade from Canada with. And it will definitely affect us in certain states, but it will also be a boost in other states. I mean, I don't know, Minnesota would probably get a bit of a boost from having less Canadian lumber flooding the market. So it would Maine. Here's the problem is the hatred for Trump around the world is so high that it doesn't. It only helps when they don't blink, even for Maloney. Maloney got a boost in her own poll numbers when she.

she who agrees to Trump on many ideological things, refuse to blink for him. I think that, I think, I think the conversation around economic anxiety isn't always match with the numbers on the ground. And what we've seen with Trump right now, if you look at maybe even Nate Silver

or other poll aggregators, Trump's poll numbers have actually been flat. They haven't been falling anymore. They are about a net favorability of negative 20, which is not where you want to be at all, but they are not declining any, further. Not like precipitous. It's not George W. Bush interact with interact. Like we're not seeing the continual gradual decline. We've hit like a plateau and we've managed to stay at this

plateau. Will we stay there for a long time? Who knows? There are multiple kind of fronts that he has to address the same exact time. Whether or not he's addressing them, we don't know. And it's only a matter of time until the American attention span blinks and we focus on something else. What do you make at those state numbers? I found those really interesting. the UGov Economist State numbers where you've got what was it, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Idaho or the remaining states where Trump has a positive approval rating. That means places like Ohio where there's major elections happening in Wisconsin, Michigan, he's underwater. But that creates this really interesting puzzle for Republican candidates

who already have this problem with low propensity voters in the Trump coalition, not coming out during midterm cycles. But on the other hand, in a place like Michigan, they don't necessarily need the low propensity voters. They need the Housewives. the suburban moms. They need the swing voters, right? Well, they need kind of everybody. I don't love you. Well, yeah, that too. But in terms of the turnout, yeah. Well, I don't love the Yuga polls because they do pay people to take them. So it's not my favorite poll to work with. But when you look at Epic M. I.C. poll, Michigan, you look at, you look at, you look at other ones. Yes, Trump's down in a number of states, including Texas. He's down. He's not down to this extreme. He's probably up in maybe

a dozen or so states. I don't think he's down in Tennessee. I don't think he's down in Alabama or other places like that. But he's down in general. Yes, that is true. And doesn't you gov have a regular panel, right? So they're paying a regular panel of people to respond? Yes. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. It's not my favorite pollster that I look to. If you, you gov is good because they ask a wide variety of questions you're not going to get from an oral poor person. And snap, right? They do snap polling. Yes. But also they can do like 700 questions. So you might find a question on something very unique that a regular pollster is not going to do. Because a regular poll costs like $40,000. They are paying them.

them to be there for as long as they want. Another pollster is and they want a small amount of questions. So they're not my favorite thing. But what, yeah, a lot of these, a lot of Republicans running for office are in the confrontation, are having a confrontation with Republicans are down with independence between 30 to 40 points. It's pretty horrific. The only way forward for a lot of them in their own calculation is to get the low

propensity Trump base out. Those voters, though, do vote on vibes and the vibes aren't good. So that's really kind of where they're in a cross-air. Their only path, I think, they think, the calculation they've been making is through the Trump coalition and make sure every one of them turn out and hope low-propensity Democrats don't turn out. The only state that I think you're going to see some like differences like Susan Collins will do much better with independence than the regular Republican would. In Michigan, you're seeing poll numbers.

Mike Rogers is doing significantly better among independents than the Republican would. In every other state, it's basically the same exact story, though. Okay. that's interesting. Let's talk about a Reuters episode poll that came out earlier this month. It found 37% of voters say they prefer Democrats' approach to handling the economy. Another 36% said they prefer Republicans and 27% said they're unsure. That is the first time it's shifted towards Democrats over Republicans since 2017. The Hill says it's, quote, likely been marked by President Trump's declining approval and polling showing voters' lack of

confidence in the GOP's approach to monetary policy. But Mark Cuban, billionaire, who's really feeling James Talleyko right now told Kara Swisher on an episode of Pivot just in the last few days here that if he ran, if he ran for president, it would be as a Republican because gosh darn it, Ryan, those DSA guys dominate the Democratic Party. Let's take a listen. You should run as a Republican. That would fuck them up. Oh, no. That's what I was going to run. Yeah. That's what I would do. I can't win as a Democrat. Not with the DSAs and all that shit there. Yeah. All right. So then what are you going to do? Run as a Republican. That would be good. Oh, that would be fun, though. Would you just please do it just to drive? It would be fun. Shady Vance's head would flow off. Yeah, and the competitive side of me likes that part, but doesn't like the governing part at all. Doesn't like the governing part.

Right. I mean, is it, all right, let's just play the Kara Swisher Mark Cuban game here. Devil's advocate. Republicans fell behind Democrats on the economy. Is the country? Are Republican voters clamoring for billionaire Mark Cuban to jump into this race? Which the oddest thing about that conversation is all Kara and Mark do are talk about politics, and yet they know close to nothing about it. That's so true.

It really is just eye opening where you're like, what have you been doing all these decades? Like, you've spent a lot of time and you really don't know very much. And I want to know, what have you been doing, like, to get to this place? And are you okay? Are you okay? Like, think of how many things. You know, it's so, because it's so funny because in people's, people have set narratives in their head that are divorced from reality. Instance, a narrative that goes around is that you could do whatever now because Trump's president, he did whatever.

But in fact, if you look at most congressmen running for reelection and scandal this year, they've almost all lost their primary. Like almost all. You have the guy in Florida, Corey Mills, you have the guy Edwards in North Carolina. They've all swallowed. They've almost all lost. You can't do whatever you want to do. because you're not Trump. The of the narrative going on is that Trump changed the GOP.

To a certain degree he did, but the GOP changed Trump. Trump did not run as a pro-choice Republican. Trump changed his position on it. Trump did not run. Trump changed his position on allowing trans men and women's bathrooms. Trump was very much for that in 2017. He is not for that today. Trump has changed a number of positions to be closer towards the average Republican voter

than then he assumed he would bring people on. It's been like a marriage where you get. give and take. Mark Cuban assumes I could run him because I'm famous. They saw me on Shark Tank where they made, you know, the wine with the metal tops. Therefore, they're going to just love

me because I'm just like, that is a good product. That's why I remember. Yeah, that's going to say. Or the smiley face scrub one. But nonetheless, those like the two products that came out of that were significant. However, that does not mean they're going to, you have to then give. And Mark, there's nothing about Mark Cuban that says I'm a, I'm a Republican in any way,

shape, or more. Tim Miller posted something really interesting, obviously former Republican. He said, it's strange that rich business guys just fundamentally misunderstand the GOP base still. Cuban would get annihilated in a GOP primary unless he did a complete heel turn on cultural issues. He would have had a puncher's chance in the Dem Gov primary this year in Texas had he wanted that. I think this disconnect, Tim says, is because the DSA types are in their social circle, the Karaswisher Mark Cuban social circle, so they understand the resistance they'd face on the left. But they have never met a non-millionaire MAGA, so they can't model their not.

motivations open to other theories. I actually love this theory. Yes. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Cook, Ryan, cook. This is because, okay, the reason J.D. Vance's book was so successful, Hillbilly Elligate, is because Mark Cuban has never met a poor white person. Kara Spuscher, I mean, she did maybe when she was a child or maybe it was a child, but in their day-to-day life, they have never met a poor white person. It is a, it is like, oh my God, there's poor white people in this country and they, they have opinions too. It's an insight to this world that they cannot possibly.

possibly imagine because we don't feel sympathy for those people and we're not around those people. That is a world that they do not know. Not that every Republican is a poor white person, but a lot of working class people who are white are Republican. They do not understand that they do not know them. And Tim Miller at least used to feign attention with them for a little while. I guess the muscle memory is kicking back to him, you know, before the pearl necklace straps off all the blood from his head.

I have to have Tim back on to respond now. Oh, whatever. The pearl necklace. I listen I whatever uh he's like I'm gonna get care but um but that is uh that is um that is what uh that's just they just don't know a republican like they only know a republican like you know the kind of republican who's like you know what we got to get them data centers around here like that's the republican that they know and they do not know a maha mom who lives on $60,000 and is worried about like you know I don't know you not chem trails but but something in their kids. Like, they don't know those people. They don't live in that world. They have no idea as much as they pretend to travel the country with real Americans care. It wouldn't have known a real American are bitter in the ass.

You know, that is, I really like this point because you could hear Tim's frustration as a man now, I would say, of the center left. He's at the bulwark. And he's saying you still don't get this because to your point, he was Jeb in 2016. And he watched this force take over the Republican Party despite the party's best efforts to totally quash it. And I guess my question for you, Ryan, this is interesting.

Other people can get away with things that cannot get away with things that Trump can. So does that mean that a Mark Cuban can come into the Republican Party and be kind of Trumpian in personality and vibes and just bulldoze his way through, but leave off the populism? That to me, like I feel for, I feel Tim's frustration just like viscerally

because he's like, This is what happened. Okay, let's say we can run on a candidate just on vibes. I will ask you a question. Emily, name one thing Mark Cuban that ever said that was funny. Right. Okay. If you don't have, Trump is, unironically, the funniest person who was ever president.

It just is what it is. If you're going to run on personality, you have to have a personality. You don't have a personality with Mark Cuban or a policy. So what are you running on? I'm the guy you saw on Shark Tank's Sall you bullshit. Like, that is not a. enough to be president. And once again, what are you going to run on? You're going to run on, we just need, I need more servants and you open up immigration for that. I'm going to,

I guess he may be good on DEI, possibly, but probably not. And like tax cuts. Like, he would do really well at like Barry Weiss voters, but like that's about it. That's well said. Let's get to the data centers, actually, because I wanted to dig into some of these numbers with you. speaking of Republicans who have gotten the message over the last 10 years, Mike Rogers and Greg Abbott, both now Republican governors on the other side of this issue from Trump. I'm sorry, Mike Rogers is running for Senate, but Greg Abbott, Republican governor, Mike Rogers, Republican running for Senate in a swing state, Michigan, tight race. Greg Abbott talked to CBS just yesterday on Sunday about his data center policy in Texas,

which Trump has criticized all kinds of polling on this that we're going to. to dig into with Ryan. But first, let's take a listen here to Republican, Texas governor, Greg Abbott. What Erkott was trying to do was try to make decisions about adding five times more power to the grid than what they currently are providing. But even worse, the PUC had requested data and information from all power grid operators and all that wanted to add on to the power grid about how much power they would be using, how much water they would be using. And they got less than 10% response. When we get all the information, which will take months, we will be able to put all the pieces of puzzle together. What I have done is working. The guidelines and guard rules

that have established are now universally adopted across the state of Texas. And what that means is there are, for one, no new data centers coming on board. For another, every data center operating in the state of Texas is fully following the guidelines and guard rules that have established. Sounds a bit like Kathy Hokel, who's followed the Mumdani Revolution by also coming out with a data center moratorium, a one-year data center moratorium in New York. Now, Mike Rogers, who I think he's fair to say as a pretty establishment Republican, probably fair to say that of Greg Abbott as well, is campaigning on a one-year data center moratorium. He's also trying to distance himself from A-PAC, and I put that kind of in without opening up the separate can of worms. I put this kind of, Ryan, in the same vein as establishment Republicans understanding how they have to tack this fall for the midterms. And it looks like they picked up on something with data centers. Jim Vanda High of Axios recently posted.

Forget energy, forget chips, forget China, the most clear and present danger to AI. And any AI-related economic boom is rapidly rising public opposition to data centers. He went on to say AI, CEOs, and GOP equals spooked big time. Ryan, you responded by saying tech CEOs went full and on woke, fired Americans in favor of H-1Bs, demanded tax dedications for data centers, told everyone for five years that AI was coming for their jobs and their kids would get chips in their brains,

sued local communities for land use, and now they're shocked, shocked that everyone hates them. Are they just picking up on something they should have picked up on a year ago, six months ago? Yeah, you know, I have friends, I took a bunch of tech pros to the border, like maybe like four years ago. And the whole time was like so much fun, Ryan, first of all. It was like the most like, I mean, it was pretty like vultures were swarming.

I was like, just come for us already. But we were there. And while we were talking, they were literally just chatting about all the jobs that wouldn't exist anymore because of what they were going to do, what they were building. I was like, yeah, Americans are one-up jobs. And we'll figure it out, whatever. And it was very gleeful and almost like a fate of complete. Like they were doing this and there's nothing you could do about it. And no, everyone was going to adopt to it.

There was nothing, whatever. And I just was just boiling. I'm like, you don't understand how you sound because people aren't computers. You cannot program them. That is the one thing. All of these tech bros are the only people in the world who read the Frankenstein book and rooted for the doctor to try again. That is who these people are. They could not understand that things that they were doing were so, like, I mean, repulsed by the average person.

And the younger you go, the more repulsed they are by it. And not just not what they're doing right now, but what they say they're going to do in the future. So they build on these data centers. Some of them are not problematic. Others, some communities do not want them. And what do they do when they did not want them? They sued them. And they threatened to bankrupt the local community.

They did every bad PR approach imaginable. I have friends over at flock. And they're like my friends who are executives at flock. And I'm like, what are you people doing? Like, you don't have to talk like this. I just, I promise you, there's a better way to go about it. it. What Abbott's doing is not, and what Kathy Holk, frankly, so far is doing is they're not banning data centers in New York or Texas, but there's genuine concerns. In the case of Texas, Texas has one,

is its own grid. The rest of the country lives on two different grids. Texas has his own grid because Texas decides to do it. Three years ago, people froze to death because the grid failed. There is genuine concern that the grid is overpowered. You have a million people you're moving to Texas. You have high overdevelopment in urban sprawl. You have limited water capability. and then you're building these massive data centers. People do not trust these tech CEOs. So you need to bend over backwards to show them that you're not causing environmental damage, which is the number one concern environmental damage.

And when I had an Axis reporter on my podcast on Numbers game, and I asked what is the ramification of local wildlife? And she goes, there haven't been enough studies yet. This is brand new, these massive data centers. We could look into this. It's okay. So you're going to lose to China. You're a Chinese spy, whatever.

They are, it's just not going anywhere. And I'm sorry, that group, a more perfect union, is running tails around them. They're crushing it. They're crushing it. And they are like 15 like non-binary people in like Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, yeah. And these trillion dollar businesses have no idea how to respond to them. And it is mind-boggling because they treat people like computers and people are way more complex than computers are.

and they're going to lose. And remember, we, like, the biggest news story of the year that no one picked up on was OpenAI. Who was at Sam Alman? Sam Altman was almost assassinated back in April. No one picked up on this. It was seconds that he was actually almost assassinated. He really dodged a bullet. And I think it was actually a hangar, no, not a hand grenade.

It was a Molotov cocktail, whatever it was. But he barely survived. The hatred for tech CEOs is so, like, large. It's so visceral. That's when Sam Altman all of a sudden was started changing his tune. He's like, oh, we're not going to take your jobs away. We're not going to replace you. We're not going to do chips in the brain. Everything. And then he started an IP open. He did an IPO. So of course, he really started changing his tune. They were ginning up people to try to raise capital for their products.

A lot of it was nonsense. A bit of it is a bubble. And they are reaping what they sow. I'm sorry. Things are only going to get worse. Take a beat and read the room. Just read the room and do more. Also to Republicans, the message to Republicans is because some Republicans are pushing back like, this is, these data centers are great and you're all working for China. Yep. These are the richest companies to have ever existed in the world. Mansa Munza would be jealous of how much money they had.

It is crazy. Do not, why are you giving them tax breaks? Why? 100%. Don't breathe them like a mom and pop business. It is insane. You need to just take, like the fury towards AI and data centers is real. It's palpable.

And no amount of hiring, you know, Nathan, whatever is to tweet things for you is going to change any of that anger. I think Nathan Leerman is his name. But he's a perfectly nice guy. But everything he says is just going to make someone to burn his house down. Like, you're just not doing it at all. Like, you're just not doing it. Well, the anger, you're right, comes from a legitimate place. And they totally refuse to acknowledge that.

And it's actually just really not that difficult. We're seeing the same thing to your point about flock right now. And it's all actually also kind of being vindicated by the concessions, the data centers and flock are both making. Flock just announced a major slate of concessions about security and privacy because people had legitimate concerns. And there was this swell of stories or flurry of stories suddenly about abuse of Flock cameras, cameras mostly by local police officers who were doing all kinds of awful things with them.

And, you know, Flot comes out. Yeah. And or boyfriend. And Flot comes out and says, hey, well, we're going to actually do these things differently and put these safe. It's like, well, okay, this is everybody's point. And it's the same thing with data centers and energy usage. Locally, they have strained certain grids. It's not everywhere, but it has happened in certain pockets of the country. You've Aaron Brockovich going around the country. And they think it's like, like loony lib stuff being ginned up by China, like the Kevin

O'Leary, Utah situation. Oh, because he's the best spokesperson in the world to sell something somebody. These shark tank guys, I'm telling you, they're saying they're saying they're Can you guys have to realize that no one was going to watch them because they were on the show? But the point of, yeah, right, but the point of what does Aaron Brockovich symbolize to a lot of Americans? Honestly, it's just corporate lies and people have low institutional trust right now. So let's look at some of this polling because you made a really good point about what Charles Van Lehman posted from a recent Fox News poll. So this was from July, 70% of registered voters opposed data centers. And Charles points out, he says, we know why people don't like data centers.

It's because they think they use too many resources and hurt the environment. The solution is, A, to dispel their misconceptions, and B, ensure that any real costs are paid for by the data center operators. Well, that's a concession, first of all. It's way different than giving them tax breaks and letting them train the grid. But secondly, you pointed out, if you look at this poll, 50% of that 70% say they have environmental concerns. The other half, it's a total hodgepodge. And by the way, the environmental concerns could be things that. that are real, like that loud humming noise.

It's from Eddington, but it has happened in real life in communities around the country, the loud humming noises that people hear. Like, you can, environmental concerns could itself be kind of a... Or it could be the fact that they are destroying agricultural land and wildlife. And what I called someone from the White House recently and I said, why didn't they start? I just don't understand this. Why didn't they go to Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota and say, you know all those

factories that are like dilapidate? and they're in an industrial zone and no one lives near them. Why didn't you start there? Why didn't you go and just revamp them? No one's there. They have no jobs. They're not in a town. A lot of them are close or near there, but they are in zoned industrial spaces.

They don't have zoning laws are great. I don't care how many people like hate on them. Zoning laws are great. They are in a zone where it's an industrial zone. No one lives around them. No one would notice. And right now it's broken up old factories. This would be great for those areas.

And they had done that a little bit, but not everywhere. They've gone all after a lot of agriculture and a lot of wildlife. And they said to me, the response to me was, well, that's very expensive. I'm like, these are the richest companies that ever existed. Who cares? What could that increase in expense possibly cost for a chat GPT user? Really? I mean, honestly, like maybe a penny, maybe a penny.

It would cost basically nothing. The worry about wildlife was huge in Utah with Kevin O'Leary. about that land. Worry about agriculture land. A lot of farmers are feeling very stressed right now at people going into their land, especially in Texas. Texas agriculture. If you have a property in South Texas near Austin or San Antonio,

you're getting calls every day asking people to buy your homes. And the fear that the government will seize your property, which has happened in places like Georgia, it's happened in Michigan, where the government sees their property to build a data center. That is also a genuine fear. That kind of anger is multiplied. It's not just, it is the,

grid, but it's not just the grade. It's all of those things. And they could have been smart about it, but they were just such arrogant pricks that they didn't care. They thought I could program it because I am the creator. So this is another great point that you made Ryan putting up, you were responding to Matthew Chapman, who looked at this Echon Insights poll that Rufo posted, Chris Rufo posted in mid-August that found hilariously Americans would rather have a nuclear power plant built in their community than a data center. Chapman says the fact that data centers go from 22 points underwater to 35 points underwater when people are specifically told it's for AI rather than search engines, video streaming, et cetera, shows that for a lot of people, it's not really about water or energy

bills. It's about hating AI. And you picked up on that instead of it was a smart point. But it's like obviously true that people don't trust AI. People specifically do not trust AI. They don't buy into the idea that if you look at the data center hyperscaling, it started specifically when and for explicitly generative AI. It can look at it's, it's, they will tell you that's why the hyperscaling happened. It happens at the exact same time. And people are not bought into generative AI right now. And I think they're missing that a huge part of the, the tech guys are missing that a huge part of their problem is seriously tied to people not believing we need this much generative AI right now. And why is Trump going to China in September to negotiate a generative AI pack to

have basically what a nuclear arms race stop against gender AI because people have said, I had, I had Haberman and Swan on my podcast, and we were talked about how AI has changed so much for Trump and how we supported it and then opposed it. And Swan said something to the effect of, I think it was a banker who said, do you understand that these AI models can seize your money out of your account? There's nothing you could do about it? And it was an eye-opening experience for him. And that's when he was like, oh, maybe we should have some restrictions on AI. But when you have the idea of the idea of Silicon Valley is, what is it,

is do something and break stuff or something, break something is. Move fast and break things. Yeah. What you're talking about, though, is human race to an extent. And you have all these AI safety coordinators saying, I saw what they can do and I am now going to write poetry in a field somewhere. and just like have my my days out there. Or we're going to wipe out 50% of white color jobs.

Never mind. We won't do that. People are mad about it. And so they change the goalpost. Right. They've changed the goalpost. They've changed the times. They've changed everything as the death threats has been increased.

As the taxes have increased. They did this to themselves for years. And there's at this point, the train has completely left the station. You can give all those teachers of $50,000 other bonuses that they didn't in like, I think it's Lafayette parish or one parish in Louisiana. or Richland Paris, Richland Paris, Richmond Powers in Louisiana. They could do all these giveaways to sports teams

or whatever they're trying to do. At the end of the day, they spent five years saying, your child will not have a future. And if you want them to, you have to put you out a chip in their brain. They have to be part robot. Sorry, like, you can't.

This is like, it would be like watching like the, you know, the sixth toy story movie and finding out that, you know, Buzz Lightyear is becoming a woman. Like, you'd be like, what is this? This is not. Like, don't give my news. You can sell the same five,

You can't say the same thing over and over and over again and say, you know what, we got it wrong. Actually, everything is going well. Everything is okay. No one believes you. There's zero trust for this industry at all. And it's partially because they thought they were better than each and every one of them. And they reap what they sow. And I hope, I genuinely hope, Emily, I'm not making a joke.

I hope what they sow is not another Luigi Mangione. A hundred percent. That is very well what they could have soaked. Sam Holtman once again was almost murdered in April. I don't know that's the last one. I hope we talk about Carrault-Ritcher co-host, but he was, his address was leaked. His address was leaked by Mandani. They very much are putting a target on certain people's backs, and there are enough left-wing

looney tunes in this country that God only knows what could happen. I mean, even, you could even see someone right-wing doing something on this because it's so repulsive to so many. If a right-wigs are so fat now, it's not going to happen. Well, did you see the crowd behind Hassan Piker at his event this weekend? No, no. The right wing has a monopoly on that. A point here from Patrick Raffini at Eschelon, which was behind this poll.

He said in March we reported that the strongest soldiers for data centers were male urban MAGA Republicans with graduate degrees. And it seems the same is true today. This is actually a really funny graphic because- Yeah, they mean at Arby's, all I'm sitting one booth together. That's excellent. Actually, Arby's is a great turkey sandwich. But Trump first Republicans are dead even split on this issue. Yeah.

And they did not realize the sand was moving below meeting their feet. And it is like, when I could talk to a, I talked to a 76 year old in Louisiana because I live there half the year. And he was like, I hope we don't get data centers over here. And I was like, how do you know what this is? And he's just, I mean, it is, it is a, it is hit a nerve within the general population that is, immovable at this point. And they can call it whatever they want to call it, but it is real. And I don't know if it's actually moving. Well, it is like galling to hear the people, so many of whom profited off of changing our social, first of all, the social media apps existing,

but then taking the timelines and making them algorithmic. And so the entire business model is to keep people scrolling on these apps that we now have plenty of scientific research showing really do affect memory, cognition, anxiety. especially among younger people and those sorts of things. And they're now looking around and saying, we're missing all of the nuance online when it comes to flock cameras and data centers. Listen, you simply don't understand.

You don't get it. These are great for your local communities. Here's my white paper. I wrote a white paper of the Manhattan Institute. You have to read this. But they're treating people like they're idiots for not trusting the data centers to do what they say they're going to do or the flock people to do what they say they're going to do.

And it's like you have to deal with the fact that people have rational concerns just as they had rational concerns about NAFTA and WTO that you realize 20 years too late after there was a populist revolt. How can you be so stupid as to create these products that do smooth and iron all of the nuance out of our conversations because you're profiting off of making people scroll with extreme content, extremely pro, extremely con? And now you're upset that there's a lack of nuance in the discourse, you motherfucker. And no, it's true. MPU research put out a poll today, as we were getting on, I read it, where a majority of people who know about the financial profits of local communities for data centers are still against it. The financial windfall does not mitigate the environmental concerns and every other concern. So even what you're saying is we're going to get so much money.

They're saying, I don't care. I do not want it here. I mean, that is true. So that's so interesting. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back with more of Ryan right after this. Life insurance, we all know we need it, but we keep putting it off because it feels like it's going to be so complicated, so expensive, or just like something that can wait. Stop waiting.

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That is when Hillary Clinton's not filling in for him. He went on Club Random with Bill Maher today and said, I want to play the video, but I'm also just going to read the quote to prime people for what they're about to hear so you don't get too much of a jump scare. Quote, I think Gavin Newsom is going to be our president. I think we're a looksist, sexist, racist, racist country. And the only thing I'm fairly confident about is the Democratic nominee will be a straight white man over six feet tall. Let's roll the clip. I think Gavin Newsom is going to be our president. I think we're a luxist, sexist, racist, racist country.

and I think a tall hand. I think the Democratic, the only thing I'm fairly confident about is that the Democratic nominee will be a straight white man over six feet tall. Do you think in general the country is racist and sexist? In 2026? Yeah.

That characterizes us in a general way? Well, okay. I don't see any reason my secretary Clinton lost at Donald Trump other than sexism. Incredible. Incredible, Ryan. I mean, it's beautiful.

This is an NYU, you professor, best-selling author, podcast host, saying that in general, America, which, by the way, that flies in the face of social science research, which plenty of people have done the implicit bias studies. I think Harvard, MIT have both looked into this and have said, it's actually got very close to neutrality, which is a remarkable thing in human history that you'd have so many people living in such close proximity and have anything resembling neutrality amongst, like, races on bias. Unfortunately, it's baked into the human condition. Prejudice is always going to be with us. But in the United States,

States, we have overcome it to a degree, basically no society in human history ever has, and only to have NYU professors telling us we're all sexist and racist is the only reason Hillary Clinton could have lost. And that means we have to suck it up and take Gavin Newsom in 2028. I don't say this lightly. Scott Galloway is the dumbest intellectual in America. Like, he really genuinely is the stupidest human being. And it's because he, No, if you were going to rank top five dumbest white men in America, he would make the list. There's no question, right? This is a man who vocal, I mean, went public and fought to close schools during COVID.

Went on Bill's Marshow and said, I got it wrong. Okay. What you did, though, you write constantly about, you know, young men and young men need us charred. You set young men back for what you've advocated for, worse than. any person in since someone who advocated for the draft like a horrific set of policy that you advocated for do you take a step back and say you know what I need a year off I need a consulate I need a judge and question institutions no he has doubled down on every institutional belief every institutional value um and I mean to say Hillary Clinton had nothing

running against her aside from sexism is is mine it's it's you just you just you just you have to only talk to Kara Swisher. He must talk to her for sure and then go watch porn at night and then go to sleep. Like, because that's what he does. You don't want to combine those two things. They have to be separate. But no, I mean, he goes, he says it on his podcast. He goes, I watch porn, do drugs and go to sleep.

That's what he must do as a rotation to, like, keep his sanity. And Kara is like, it's like the girl in the basement who had, like, all the kids from her stepfather and she has, like, the one little window. Kara Swisher's his one little window to the world. and like he just lives in the basement watching porn and doing drugs. He is the dumbest man with a podcast. It's insane.

It's genuinely insane. And the thing is that he's so credentialed that he circles us around like, you know, like stalking the world with his bullshit. And so we hear it and whether we want it or not. And you're like, there's no way that this man is, you know, functioning walking this planet, putting pants on the right way. There's absolutely, this man must be like in a circus.

I feel profoundly bad for people who live. listen to Karas Wisher and Scott Galloway who have been credentialed by elite institutions and other elites in this country for years and years. So they think that if you tune into Karas Wisher and Scott Galloway, it means that you're in the know when actually this is the type of person who's saying he thinks Gavin Newsom is going to be president, which, Ryan, you've looked at the numbers. Gavin Newsom's numbers have actually gone down, the more he's exposed himself to the American public and flirted with a presidential run over the course of the last year since he's made a conservative effort. Obviously, he launches his podcast.

he tries to go all in on the fighting the Trump Lawfare, that sort of thing. His numbers are going down right now. Well, he was, he was, he left the, he left the, he, by the way, Gavin Newsom was the last man on the Joe Biden boat. It was sinking and he was saying, no, he's fine. Don't worry about it. He literally was Joe Biden surrogate after the debate saying that man is absolutely cognitive. I forgot about that.

Yes, he was the last man standing. The minute the election's over, he invites who, Charlie Kirkman, podcast says, my kids love you. Like, you know, my in-laws are Republicans. They hate me. They live in Florida. He was the moderate. Then he was fighting the Trump, the Texas rediscriminering.

Now he's the resistor in chief. And yes, as he's on his seventh version of himself in the last two years, he's like, you know, girl interrupted saying, hey, pretty bird. Like, we are all, like, watching the version that he's in most recently. And he's, and yeah, people are like, I can't imagine. old black ladies in South Carolina. I mean like, yeah, that's my candidate. But here's like, here's the problem of Carra Swisher and Scott Galloway.

Scott Galloway does know a lot about business. Sometimes he says varying several things about business. Kara Swisher knows a lot about technology. It says various and several things with technology. Together, they know nothing about politics. And yet they, it is the presumption of brilliance by people like them, tech people, more Cuban, Kevin O'Leary. Every Kevin O'Leary, I'm so good at this.

You know what I should do? tell everyone about my political beliefs. They're never going to believe it. I mean, look how smart I am. I, you know, I was able to run a soda machine. I'm therefore I should be president. Like that's there, or I should tell the president what to do. That's more important.

Like, I should be Stephen Miller because I made one, I can have a MBA team. Therefore, I could be president. I have the Mavericks. Therefore, I am like president. I guess that is the shortage in all these people's brains. But do they look at Trump? Because that's essentially what Trump did. Right. And his real estate deals were like over the world and he did actually have foreign relations in a way that I suppose none of these guys did. But he was still, you know, essentially a celebrity billionaire. And so I think maybe they look at him and are like, well, I mean, I'm smart of Donald Trump. I can do X, Y, and Z. And we're 10 plus years into this phenomenon. And they're still doing this top down. The rest of America is stupid out in the open. Like it is one thing to do it behind closed doors still bad. But to be doing this.

out in the open, like it makes you special and interesting and enlightened. You're only hurting your own goals over and over again. And that is what's mystifying. How you're like in your mid-30s. I think you're a little few years ago than me. How many presidential cycles have we seen a business band run for president? Herman Kane. Rose Bro.

General Clark from in the early 2000s against John Kerry. Every year, we would have a token businessman run for president on the Republican. inside like half time they'd be black for no reason whatsoever. And we'd have these people run constantly and say, I can do it because I'm a businessman. And Tom Steyer and they, Bloomberg was a mayor. So I've given that credit. But Tom Steyer did it for, I mean, he gave a billion dollars on money. And they all failed because being a politician, you have to be a successful politician. And it's not true of all politicians, but this is true of a number of people who are hyper successful, you need to be a certain type of, you need to have a

certain click in you that is not normal. That is not in the average person. It's not in a business person. It's not in a, it's not in a tech leader. It's not in a podcast host. Most people do not have it. That is why it is so special and so rare when they do have it. And Donald Trump, whether they like it or not, has it. Donald Trump could have won a popularity contest against these people in the 80s or 90s or whenever they were all at their peak fame. He's just personally, one, he understands average people and talks about, talks like them, but he has that it quality that is unique and special. And they cannot get over the fact that they, you know, them with their bald head and bullshit

glasses, who's so credentialed that NYU does not have what they think this bumbling buffoon does. Let's talk about Abdul El-Sayed, who just got off of Jesse Waters show on Fox News. news. I was going to talk, Brian, about his little quip. J.D. Vance gave a speech in Middletown, Ohio on Friday. And he said, I would love to go back in time and tell him at Papa. There's a man who claims to stand for working people who says, not only should we have Sharia law, but if you criticize that you are a white supremacist. Abdul Al-Said said, so do we think J.D. is taking Usha with him back in time to meet Papa or no. Dot, dot, dot, dot. I don't totally know what J.D. was getting out with Sharia in that quote.

I don't know he was going to shriah either, yeah. But this Abdul Siyadh posts is what I was originally going to talk about because it's just, again, implying that the people of Middletown, Ohio, decent people were racist and that J.D. Vance is somehow like willing to enable racism because maybe he's actually racist himself, which was gross enough. Let's just stop there because before we get to the Jesse Waters part, let's, Abdul Lassad running for Senate in Michigan, obviously wasn't DSA back. but was or wasn't a DSA candidate himself.

He's not from the DSA, right? But he is DSA aligned. He had Bernie Sanders support and other DSA aligned people's support. And he's running on a populist left ticket, no question about it. He beat Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens had tons of AAPC money. Mike Rogers, we already talked about, is the Republican nominee. He's trying to distance himself from APEC.

And also, you know, say he supports this data center moratorium. Obdwell said, is basically saying, I am running on health care and grocery prices. ending the war, those types of things. So it's interesting to see this left-wing populace experiment in a state like Michigan with a major party candidate. But let's play, or let's step there, Brian again. So I just set it all up before we get to the Jesse Waters clips. Response to the JD conflagration. Okay. Here's what JD, I think, meant without saying it. And I don't know. I haven't asked JD about this, so I don't know. But this is what I would assume he meant. There is a man running as a populist, And he's running as a Bernie Sanders populist,

but the reason why he lost areas Bernie dominated in is because he has a third world romanticism that Bernie does not have. And that is what he's doing. He is saying we would be better if we were like these countries that practice Sharia law, this third world romanticism. And that is what the new phenomenon among the DSA-backed people are.

Bernie Sanders never talked about Columbus Day, really. He never talked about ending Thanksgiving. He never truly talked about why he hit America. He was for closing immigration loopholes and enforcing the border. I know he was like Cesar Chavez in that respect. There used to be a worker thing that said, well, it's good for all workers regardless if we protect from immigration. Bernie Sanders comes from the ilk and what El Saeed and what Tiffany, Fong,

Francesca Fong rather, what she did and what AOC has done and what other people have done, Ilhan Omar, is this romanticism towards the third world that says, not only are we not a good country, not because we don't take care of the working class, but because we are Western to align. So therefore, we must abolish any Western roots we have and be more like the third world. And that is the true trace, the DSA, that the DSA founder, by the way, said is a bad idea. And they're doing it anyway. That is what J.D. is talking about is this third world romanticism that is truly toxic,

and it is completely engulfed itself in the universe system and the DSA system. Yeah, they're going to have to workshop communicating that. I mean, the DSA did just put out a whole post commemorating 100 years of Fidel. So there's definitely something to work with. They could shop with the flock people and with the data center people. They could all get together in groups and, yeah, exactly, see where it goes. But, you know, so what's happening right now, I think what you just described is this difference between the materialist left and the identitarian left.

And I think you and I would probably agree that there's overlap and that maybe materialism ultimately lends itself to identitarianism. But that's the famous moment where Bernie Sanders gets chased off the podium by BLM leaders in 2016, literally seeds the microphone to them after a little bit of pushback. And they're now trying to stuff that toothpaste back into the tube. And that's where Abdul Al-Said is kind of running an interesting experiment, trying to focus on material stuff. after your side just spent the last 10 years mired in identitarianism, it's difficult because if you want to go on Jesse Waters, oh, go ahead. Do you see it on Jesse Waters? Well, let's play it.

Let's roll the clip. This just happened. So, again, like, Jesse, you have not asked me one time about the issues that people actually care about in Michigan. You don't want to talk about gas prices. You don't want to talk about groceries. You don't want to talk about health care. You don't want to talk about the stupid trade war that's about the destroying Michigan's economy.

We spent the whole interview talking about that stuff. That's destroying, that is destroying. destroying our own military. You don't seem to want to talk about any of those things. You want to bring up all of this culture war that, you know, I'm not here to fight a culture war. I'm here to fight the war. We talked about the gas prices in the Green New Deal, okay? If you want to do an interview, I'm going to do them up every time. You can do the interview, okay. You're doing the greatest hits, Jesse. Like, I mean, this is, like, you can play this game if you want, but like, you can keep doing the greatest hits if you want. You told me we're going to come on for a conversation. And when we have conversations, I think it's okay to also ask questions. I just want to understand what you're getting at here. I'm getting at it. Whether you think. Men should play in women's sports. It's a big issue. I'm interested in getting money out of politics, putting money in your pocket, and passing Medicare for all.

You know what most people don't care about what sports kids play? You're filibustering. It's a big issue. Because I want to talk about the issues that you were just deserved to hear about. All right, so you want to answer that question. What issue?

You want to answer the question? What issue? Go ahead, Jesse. What issue? Should men play women's sports? You have daughters, right? I think that, look, I played sports my whole life. Sports were an important part of my life.

I'm grateful for the opportunity to play sports. And at the end of the day, the decision we didn't get to play what sports. Oh, I have that other one. Q now. I'm going to go to the U.S. Senate. Jesse, it's insane. I'm out here trying to take on the health care crisis in big pharma, and you're asking me about who gets to play what sports.

It's silly. It's kind of a big thing if you've been following the news recently, Abdul. Let me ask you about the politics. We'll get to your race. Let's do your race right now. Please be serious. I'm here with you. I want to have a conversation

about the issues that matter. Let's do it. Let's talk about the things. All right. So here's the next one. Jesse Waters, then pushes. You think it's okay for a parent to slash his kids stiggling off?

You think that's okay. I mean, do you, so do you really want to have this conversation? Are you circumcised? Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's a personal question. Okay. Doctor.

You probably should want to move on. You probably should want to move on. It's circumcision is different than castration. I think it's a problem. It's a problem that you think that you get to decide what happens between. Okay, Ryan. That is a really bad way to handle that question. A really, really bad way to handle that question.

Especially when we've been accused of anti-Semitism basically every day since you've been for governor. I have an inside story about Abdul-Said. So I have a Democrat consultant who's a friend of mine. And they said they worked on Abdul's governor's race. And during the, they said he's very nice, very friendly. But Abdul, during the governor's race, that he didn't win the primary for it, a lot of the general, he lost aggression and regressor woman. He was talking about, I'm doing this for one term.

I'm running for president. This is all term for president. He was like 34. And he was like, I'm going to be the youngest first Muslim president in the world. And he's still doing it to this day. I'm going to run for Senate and be president the next following term. And this is how he talks behind the scenes. It's extreme confidence.

But yeah, he really believes that this is a one-term thing. And I'm going to, he is Cory Booker without the tears and the fake marriage. Like, it is really. Like, he is 100% behind it. Yeah, we don't have any indication he's going to weep for hours or have a fake marriage yet. But there is still plenty of time. There's still time. There's still time, right.

Not in office. But so at first he does what Graham Platner tried to do on this issue, which, by the way, does actually matter to people, no matter what you. you say it matters to people, it is a litmus test for whether or not you're bullshitting if you can't answer this question clearly. And this interview is exactly the reason why, because everybody knows Abdul al-Said does not think that castration and circumcision are analogous. Everybody knows that. He is obviously not somebody who is like reading his Judith Butler and drunk on the Judith Butler Kool-Aid. Like, we know that. In fact, he doesn't drink. So he's not drunk on any Kool-Aid,

But yeah, yeah. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. And so you look like a liar or you look shifty if you can't answer that question clearly. The best way to handle it if you're a DSA person is you have one of two options. You can say that it's all just a distraction or if you really believe it, which by the way, I do think Graham Platner did. I think he is somebody who was kind of drunk on the Judith Butler Kool-Aid.

If you really believe it, then defend it and say why you really believe it. You're going to sound crazy, but it's the Ronald Reagan bold colors, not pale past formula, at least people believe that you believe what you're saying. The distraction issue is really insulting to voters. That's my read on it, Ryan, because they don't believe you. And second of all, you're telling them that they're not focused on something important. He just told them to be serious. Right. And also the fact that once again, you've been accused of anti-Semitism, your entire campaign, you lost, you were, you got to destroy in the Democratic primary in the Jewish areas, in the suburbs of Detroit in Oakland County. He lost Oakland County because of the Jewish vote. And he just

said circumcision is the same thing as castoration. Okay. That's a choice. It's a move. That's a move when you have a significant Jewish population in your state and they already don't like you. And now you're saying, yes, when you get your kid circumcise what you do by the Jewish religion, you're just as might as well castrate them.

That's a statement. That's a bold statement. And he's really feeling himself right now. He really is extremely confident in this election he's going to win. That's a good point. Yeah, even just going on Fox News. and all of that clearly. Yeah, no, he's doing it.

He's doing the victory lap already. He feels like he has won this election. Yeah, I agree with you. And although, well, let's just spend a quick second on that. He does have a chance, right? It's not impossible win. No, no, he can 100% win. He is the most endangered Democrat seat, though, by a long shot.

There's no, Aesop is not close. There's no one to close. He is the most endangered Democratic seat. He does have a lot of, He is favored to win, nonetheless. But Michigan is a testy state. There are polling errors in that state. He is not polling well with the black community at all in Michigan, which is why he's

going to the black community last week. I think he said to them, you can trust me because I'm African. Yes, he did. Yes. He's from Egypt. Because every politician, you are not running Republican versus Democrat. You're running Republican, Democrat, or the couch. If the black vote declines, this is true that if in a national election, the black

vote is 13% of the overall vote. Democrats almost always win. If the black vote is 12% the Democrats almost always lose on the national vote, it is that sum of a margin. And if 25% and some of these polls, it's up to 27% of the black vote is saying they will not vote for El Saeed under any circumstances. They will not vote. And in these communities where a lot of Muslims have moved in, there is a lot of interracial conflicts. Oh, my black neighborhood is not black anymore. I don't, I feel, I feel like I am being replaced. What's his face? The guy with the wig in Michigan, a Sri, whatever his name is, the congressman just lost

to a black guy. Oh, yes. But he ran on being black. And that was a big part of it. Thandar. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The one who barely spoke English.

But that was, that was the one who, that was the one who lost. And it was part on identity because he was, he was Muslim and the other guy was black. I mean, it just does matter. Yeah. No, absolutely. And it's going to, that's the 12 to 13%. I don't figure I didn't realize that, but that is puts it in particular spread knowledge, Emily. I'm here to give it to you.

Beautiful. Well, maybe you can spread some knowledge about Anna Ferris. Yes. Man, I saw you posted about this. I was thinking the same thing. She's been looking really rough lately. And to make matters worse, she gave an interview about her son to Chelsea Handler, of all people. I started talking about her son with Chris Pratt.

And Chris Pratt's obviously known as a Christian, likely. fairly conservative Christian. I think we have a bit of this that we can play. He is religious. He's asked me to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. And while Ana says she'd do anything for her son, she admits this request may require a little more discussion. I told him that I would do anything for him, including this,

but it's going to take a whole lot of long conversations. Anna says she feels comfortable challenging Jack on some of his beliefs because he's like as solid as a tugboat emotionally. In fact, Anna says their talks have included everything from abortion to her concerns about certain megachurch pastors. And she's proud to see Jack question and examine his own beliefs, saying, I'm appreciative that he's examining religion the way he is in terms of recognizing hypocrisy, adding that she's grateful they can have these long conversations. She, according to that interview, this was a clip from according to her conversation with Chelsea Handler,

she also told him that he has privilege for being pro-life. She said, quote, I try to challenge him. I'm like, do you think it's a luxury that you get to be pro-life? He's like, maybe. So it's so icky to like, I don't know. I feel like it's weird to talk about your son that way in public. I have a lot of feelings. One, let's hit me.

Anna Farris should have won a Golden Globe for Just Friends, first of all. One of the best, one of the best comedic performances of the decade of the mid-aughts, 100%. Secondly, so if you don't know any about Anna Ferris, obviously, is comedic actress, mom, and scary, and the scary, not scary movie, the whatever movies it were. Scary movie, right? Yeah, scary movie. That's what she's on the press tour for, by the way. Right.

So she did all these movies, which is terrible. And I love scary movies. Scary Movie 3 and 4 are some of the best comedies ever made. But this latest one, do not waste your money. I wasted $20 on this. Okay. So she, anyway, has had this pretty long career at this point and a successful working career. If you don't know me about her, when she had, when she was pregnant with Jack, she had a very dangerous pregnancy.

I think that she was on, she was in the hospital for like a month or something before she had. Like she was on bed rest in the hospital because that's how dangerous the pregnancy was. And I think, you know, they were worried about his life, her life. And it was during that time that actually Chris Pratt got religious. Chris Pratt allegedly was like, God, if my wife and child make it through this, I'm going to dedicate my life to you. And they both did. And that inspired Chris Pratt to be religious. And allegedly, according to people in Hollywood, that is the reason the spark that that was the beginning of the end of their relationship.

It's very interesting that she did not walk away with any of those same sentiments. As far as like the challenging your kid goes, I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. Because it may come off with a stronger faith after being challenged and examining and reading and doing his own critical thinking. That's not bad. You don't need to talk about it, though. That's weird. Yeah, but also saying that it's a luxury for her kid. I said privilege, but the word she used was luxury, which she would probably say that's privilege too.

But a luxury to be pro-life is a really weird. I mean, she didn't flesh out that argument. She was sitting next to Chelsea Handler, who was probably just nodding and nodding, like it was a brilliant point. But that's a, I don't know. Well, she used it. So she and Alison Janney, her co-star, her mom, used to give a percentage of their income every episode of mom to Planned Parenthood. Like, she's deeply pro-choice, deeply involved in the Planned Parenthood stuff.

So this may be a real confrontation with the person she loves the most is like you have to be pro-life. Anna Farris is very clearly going through something. In all of our interviews, she's slurring. Let's get to this. Go ahead. Go. Well, yeah, no, because we actually pulled this conversation she had on another podcast recently.

This is, I'm pretty sure this is all part of the scary movie six publicity to where she talked about her drinking and self-sabotage. And we have video that people can look at. But let's start with this drinking clip. I really started to notice and appreciate when if and when people recognize me, they would usually smile. You know, like, they'd be like, oh, yeah, like thinking about something stupid I did and on screen. And I really started to notice that and absorb that. Do you think that has to do with not drinking? Yeah.

Because I know you stopped drinking. Yeah. So maybe that lit that up a little bit, right? One of the many gifts, it turns out there's a correlation between drinking and depression for me. For sure. Okay. For sure. I had to take a step back and not self-sabotage.

Yeah, yeah. But I think that that happens to so many people. Well, and Ryan, let's just listen to one more soundbite. This is another scary movie interview where I'm glad that if she's saying drinking was something that was tantamount to self-sabotage in her life, she's not doing it. People can judge her themselves. We'll talk about it on the other side of this clip. She doesn't look well. S8.

This has been a journey. What? This has been a journey, right? They keep telling me to stop crying. But I'm like, you know, this is, this scary movie, I had a violent origin story. My first movie, I was scared out of my mind. What a wonderful feeling to get to thank them all over and over for what they gave me. The opportunity that I had in thanking Keenan and looking him in the eyes and being like,

you picked me. I didn't believe you. for so long. I didn't believe it. I didn't think I was funny. He told me he loved me and he was like, you got to trust yourself. And he picked me.

The movie's not a movie without you now. That's right. Oh, Ryan, that's sad to watch. It's giving Anna Nicole Smith. If I ever made a music video, I would pick this guy where you're like, oh, this person's off. And you know what,

like, since Hayden Pinetier died and all these other people have got, kind of gone like into the tubes that odds were such a harsh decade especially for women who were famous Perez Hilton right well yeah that's besides the point the perpetrator well yeah it messed him up I think the way he treated them messed him up but it was such a harsh decade where we openly mocked people who were having nervous breakdowns in public and like there used to be back in the day, being famous was so intense. There was a studio system to protect famous people.

That doesn't exist. Now there is barely like a full agent manager system and you're really on your own with social media. And for a lot of people, it is crippling. And the odds were horrendous, especially to young women. And they destroy, they chew them up, spit them out. And like, there are even now certain personalities, conservative personalities who are famous online, who very much appear that they are having nervous.

breakdowns and we are having conversations about them like they're functioning people. It's like if you ever watch the Rojas in New York, we're on scary island. Are you kidding me? We're pretending Kelly Ben-Simone is normal. El Sharpton? We're all pretending Kelly Ben-Simone is normal and just making fun of her when very clearly, we're not looking at somebody who's normal. Something is going on with this woman and she went away for an immediate.

Maybe she shouldn't be famous. Maybe she should be seeing somebody. Maybe she should be someplace. I don't know. But like, I'm not going to make fun of her because I've watched this movie many, many, many times. And it never ended nights. I never felt good after watching it. And that's what we feel like I'm watching right now.

Well, it kind of sucks to hear her talk about her son. First of all, just knowing that she seems to not be well and is unfortunately maybe dragging a little bit of her son's emotional. or her emotional baggage with her son into the public eye, although Chelsea Handler asked about it. I guess she didn't really have to talk about her son's personal religious convictions and her opposition to them. I have no problem with her as a parent testing them. I agree with you. It can make him stronger at the end of the day. But it's just to talk about it publicly as another level. And what's interesting, Ryan, is to sense her resistance. I guess I wonder if there's something

you know, that is hurting in her. And she sees her little son who has these convictions and seems certain of them and happy about them. That's, I don't know, maybe it's too speculative. Also, but I've just, we've all seen that happen. Right. And Chelsea has learned. But first of all, when you have kids to a certain degree, no matter what your kid is, you mourn the child you thought you were going to have. Because no child ever is the person you thought before the child is born.

So maybe she's in a sense publicly mourned. wanted this, like, fabulous liberal, you know, kid who was going to, you know, duck walk on a drag race. Who knows? I don't know. I'm just saying. But Chelsea Hanler, this brave feminist who loves talking about how strong she is and how much she stands up for women is, is seeing a troubled woman and is pretending she's having this conversation. When Chelsea Hanler should say, like, cut the interview. We're not doing it.

I want to take you drug tested right now. And I'll pay. She's worth it. She dated Ted Harbor who owned the E-Network. She's got money to spare. I will get you to a clinic if you need to be paid for. I don't know what her finance are like. I don't know if she spent all her money.

Whatever the case is. Chelsea Anler pretends that she stands up for women. She is having a extremely troubled woman in front of her interviewing her, pretending that it's normal. Why? Chelsea Anler, like F you. Like you are just as misogynistic in your treatment of her by pretending it's normal when everyone's seeing this.

saying, well, that woman's really got an issue going on right now. Ryan Gurdesky, I so appreciate you stopping by the show. Thank you, Emily. We'll have to do it again soon. I hope so. Where can people follow you and follow your words? Yes. At Ryan Gurdoski, go to a numbers game podcast

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Podcast. Numbers game podcast. He's been crushed in it lately. Definitely go check out his interview with Swan and Haberman. That was a good one. All right, Ryan, we'll see you next time. Thank you. We're going to be back with more after-party soon. First, a quick break. Well, you may not remember every time you toss, turn, or wake up hot during the night, but your body does. Your body never forgets, of course. And I've noticed a real difference when I sleep on a mattress that actually supports me. That's why I'm so excited to sleep on a ghost bed. Ghostbed is engineered to help reduce the things that can interrupt your sleep with a design that helps relieve pressure, regulate temperature, and support your body throughout the night.

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In all seriousness, there was another, I guess, fight this time between a woman and a man that broke out in a fever sky game. So what you're going to see is Innes Cantor Freedom wearing a shirt that says, woman, adult, human, female. Cantor Freedom is saying he now is a woman and will be going out for the WNBA. This, of course, prompted an emergency meeting during which the WNBA came to no conclusions about whether or not men should be playing in their women's basketball league. Hilarious, but let's go ahead. Roll the clip here, and we'll get a little bit from Ines-Kanter Freedom's side on the other side. Cloud, finding an angle. And just like that, a six-point basketball game. Chicago's staying in it.

And right before the break, this was the scene inside WinTrust Arena. After Natasha Cloud got that bucket, she wanted her voice heard. We have talked about the conversations surrounding the W. That is Enos Cantor in the building today. day. And he has voiced how he's felt about the situation at Tasha Cloud, voicing her opinion as well. Cantor was just escorted out. A couple big voices are now blaming Ines Cantor for causing these problems in the WNBA or making the problems worse. And the WNBA, I'll get to that in a moment. But let's first listen to Inez Canter Freedom talking about what happened.

I think this is without kick. He was towards the end of the third quarter. and Sophie Cunningham shot at three. And I put my hands up to celebrate, right? Literally a couple positions later, Natasha came back and she started screaming and yelling and said, she's not going to sleep with you. And I was like, I am not trying to sleep with her. I'm just here to protect women and support her.

And then obviously after that she started yapping and she started to walk towards me. And literally I just got up, but she started to actually cuss. And I was very shocked that there were a lot of kids and that there were a lot of teenagers was at that game. And I just cannot believe that she was just cussing and using those F-bombs front of all these kids. She just started yapping, he said. Man. All right, Shaliman the God went. off on Innes Cantor Freedom on Breakfast Club.

Let's take a listen to this. I'm not giving Innes Cantor Freedom Donkey today because he believes biological males shouldn't compete against biological females in women's sports. I agree with him on that. I'm giving Ennis donkey today because this guy has somehow decided that the best way to protect women's basketball is to disrupt women's basketball. Okay, you, Ennis, have become what you claim to hate because I haven't seen anyone threatened women's basketball more than you.

Okay, do you think those women felt safe with your big 16 ass out there trolling them and then had the nerve to stand up and act like you was about to step to one of them? Make that make sense to me. But what you're protesting is a hypothetical. And it's you have called 911 screaming about a five alarm fire that isn't happening. Okay. And that's what is fake. Doing anything for attention. Activism turns into something else because there's a difference between raising awareness about something you believe could become a problem and manufacturing a spectacle.

around a hypothetical problem because the spectacle gets you attention. Okay, and it's all you are doing is performance art, and I need you to get off the stage because your show sucks. Dave Portnoy actually made a similar case. By the way, I am drinking high noon right now, so shout out to Dave on that one. But Portnoy said, I don't think boys should be allowed to play in girl sports. I also think Inez Cantor is an absolute clown for making this issue about him.

We should be talking about how Caitlin had another double-double 37 and 10. These criticisms of Annescanter Freedom, who is obviously reveling in the attention, there's no question about it. These criticisms drive me bananas. Charlamine and the God just accused Enescanter Freedom of disrupting women's basketball. Women are disrupting women's basketball, but by not coming down with a clear position on whether men should be able to play in their own league and criticizing Sophie Cunningham for saying something that most of the country agreed with before. four, 10 years ago, most of the country agrees with now, to Charlemagne's point, that this is a five-alarm fire that doesn't exist. It does exist for women around the country, for girls around the country, for women who have ended up changing in locker rooms with men, who have ended up sharing women's prisons

with men, for women who have ended up sharing women's shelters with men, which is a real thing that happened in Alaska, and I'm sure other places around the country, and for girls who are currently battling this out in blue states where they are still being forced to play a against boys. If you don't know the name Peyton McNabb, look up Peyton McNabb. There are many girls like Peyton McNabb who have been hurt because we are allowing this lie to continue spreading in some institutions, especially in blue states. And the WNBA holds itself up as a standard bearer for women's sports, for girls around the country. They love setting examples and being role models for women and girls around the country. So is it a five alarm?

fire because this hasn't happened in the WNBA yet? No, it's not a five alarm fire, but it knows Cantor Freedom is one guy, along with another NBA player, trolling them, to come down with a clear position after they all started attacking Sophie Cunningham for very casually and compassionately expressing in an ESPN interview that she didn't think this should happen. That's what blew it all up. So as a reminder, who has a problem with that? It is the left. Who wants to change what the standards are? It is not in as canter freedom. It is the people who are saying, suddenly, we have discovered that gender exists on a spectrum and can be less salient than sex. And therefore, people who identify in one way, it is dangerous to exclude them and it is reasonable to include

them. And they don't want to do it. If it's true, then they shouldn't have had to have in emergency meeting about Innes Cantor Freedom. And if it's true that their role models, the fact that they needed to have an emergency meeting about Innes Cantor Freedom tells you they're doing a bad job for the rest of the country. And they're still a part of this problem. This is a problem that is actually affecting people. And what drives me absolutely crazy is when you blow the whistle and throw the flag on the person who's responding to getting punched in the face. And it happens all the time in sports. It is literally happening right now. And it's, To point the finger at Ennes Cantor, I mean, you can say he's being an attention hog.

That's one thing. But to say that he's the one disrupting women's basketball, that's the Charlom and the God claim. And then Portnoy is saying Cantor Freedom is making the situation about him. He's actually not. He was wearing a shirt that said woman, adult, human, female, and was raising the issue. He's been raising the issue in a way that, frankly, because of him. it's forcing the WNBA, one of the most important women's sport leagues in the country, in the world really, to confront this issue could end up finally, finally, quashing this issue nationally

if they came with a decent policy on it, which they seem unlikely to do. But Annescanter Freedom seems perfectly willing to push this to its logical limit, go to the draft, see what happens. And if they have him walking up and down the court dunking all over them, then if If that's what they want to do, that's what they want to do. It's not in Nescanter Freedom making it about himself. Yes, I do think he's been reveling in the attention, as I said earlier. They're the ones that are making it about men playing in women's sports. He's stepping in to point out that it's absurd.

He's not the one disrupting women's basketball. They're the ones disrupting women's basketball. He's not the one making it about him. They're the ones making it about him by refusing to back down in the face of him saying, listen, I'm going out for the draft. They could just come, they easily could have just come out and said, well, no. We see it and we understand what you're doing, so no, men can't play in the WMBA. Simple as that. They could. They could. But so far, no, they have not. We'll leave it there for tonight on our edition of After Party. Appreciate you, everyone, for tuning in. Please do subscribe on

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