Alignment With Jenn - (#34) Confidence, Magnetism, and Receiving: Lessons from 17 Years of Friendship with Sabrina Wuu

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Your highest self isn’t something you become someday.She’s who you choose to be now.In this episode, I’m joined by my best friend of 17 years, Sabrina Wuu, a top 1% saleswoman, for a deeply honest conversation about the simple rules we’ve lived by that shaped our confidence, success, and inner peace.We reflect on our evolution from insecure, externally driven young women to grounded, aligned adults — and what it actually took to get there.In this episode, we discuss:The difference between external success and internal certaintyHow to stop outsourcing your worthWhy confidence is built through action, not affirmationsLetting go of misaligned relationships, habits, and identitiesPlaying the long game in career and lifeWhy worry isn’t protection — and what to choose insteadHow to live as your highest self nowThis conversation is about alignment over force, faith over fear, and trusting yourself enough to choose what feels true.If you’re ready to stop chasing and start living from certainty, this episode is for you.✨ Let's keep the party going!🙌Want to learn about coaching with Jenn? Send her a message with the word “PODCAST” on Instagram @alignmentwithjenn for info.🙌 Free TEAR Manifestation Method Guide: https://jenn-ditzhazy.mykajabi.com/TEAR-manifestation-method-opt-in🙌 My 7 Day Money Block Detox, Everything I Touch Turns to Gold, was just released! Designed to help you rewire the subconscious mind and nervous system so manifestation feels natural — not forced.Check it out here. https://jenn-ditzhazy.mykajabi.com/offers/PE995nM2/checkout🙌 Let’s be friends on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/alignmentwithjenn/

Welcome to the Alignment with Jen podcast. I am your host, Jen Ditsasey, and I'm really excited because today we have a special guest, Sabrina Wu, who is an amazing human being. She is a top 1% salesperson, and she is also my best friend for the last 17 years. And so what I'm super excited about for this episode is I want to kind of take you on a journey of the last 17 years. So we met when we were 17 in the dorms at UC Santa Barbara. And we have talked essentially. every day since. And through that time, we've really grown and we've changed. And I want to kind to take you on a journey of what it's like to have that deep, intimate of a friendship, how to create those kinds of friendships in your life. And also some of the lessons that we learned along the way of creating these sorts of friendships and the sort of growth that we've had. Our lives have completely changed. And so I want to share with you today some of the habits, some of the mindsets that we've cultivated over the last 17 years that have allowed us both to create success in our lives and have allowed Sabrina to be the number one salesperson at multiple companies

that she's been at. And I would just really love to share that perspective with you. So welcome Sabrina. Oh my gosh. I can't believe it's been 17 years. I know. I know. I know. It kind of makes me feel like time is flying by and also not at the same time. It's been the longest, shortest time. We've had the most epic growth arc and glow up. Yeah. So I think it'd be fun for our listeners to kind of understand where were we when we met? Like, how would you describe us then? Because we really were so completely different.

And I think it's a testament to all of the work that we've done on ourselves. I agree. When I look back, I kind of catch myself from cringing. Like, oh. I feel it though. And I'm trying to have more compassion or at least being on good terms with that 17-year-old self. Yeah. I feel like I've had this tendency to be really critical of yesterday's Sabrina, last year, Sabrina, and even more so for 17 years ago, Sabrina.

Yeah. Totally. I think there's this tendency to say like, okay, because I know the lesson now, I should have known it then when in fact, like, we were always doing the best that we could have done with the information we had at the time, who we were at the time. I really believe that. I really believe that for everyone. I think too, sometimes it's worked in our favor, right? Being a little bit green and naive in the world has kind of helped us be a little bit delusionally positive in times when it would have been really easy to see the flaws with not having a strategy.

Yeah, true, right? There was like this sense of like delusional optimism. I remember one time in the dorms, you said to me, you know, everything just always works out for us. And this must have been like we were 17 or 18. And that mantra has played in my head for the last 17 years of everything just always works out for us. Everything always works out for me. Like it became a core fundamental principle. I think of who I am. And I'm really grateful for that because it's such an amazing guiding principle. A lot of my clients will ask me like, how do you remain so positive? And I honestly think that's part of it is like that simple. You probably don't even remember saying that. Not the first time, but I feel like there's always a giggle at the end. It always works out. Like sometimes it's a question. Yeah. Yeah, true.

Very true. There's been a lot of like questionable decisions that did actually work out. I guess the point is just saying it, even if it is a question. It always works out for us. Yeah. Right. I think in the moments when I haven't had faith, you have and then vice versa.

Yeah. So sometimes I can be at 60% and you'll come up with, you know, the rest to get us to 200 or 100 or whatever. Yeah. I think that is something I have noticed is as we've grown, I think a lot of people, there's a tendency as you get into relationships, as you build families, things like that, to deprioritize friendships and to prioritize your intimate relationship. And something that I have seen is that I think the more that we can maintain even some really deep, healthy friendships, the happier our relationships are, the happier our entire lives are.

And I think that's part of the reason is your friends can help you create this belief when you don't always have it. Like, I remember when we were in Mexico and we got to Mexico and we get off the plane and we decide that we want to go somewhere and we don't know about where we are, we don't know anything. And we get on this bus and you're just like, well, let's just see where we go. And we take this little journey and it ended up being incredibly fun. But I never would have done that on my own, you know, and it was so much more fun doing it together. because I think we had this kind of like communal belief that like, oh, I'm fine, you know? And I think that that has been a core thing that our friendship has taught me is to kind of just like

believe. Yeah, we don't know where we're getting off on the bus, but the vibes are going to be there. And we'll bring the vibes with us. Right, yeah, it's always going to work out. That bus will always work out. Yeah, it's kind of a metaphor for life, honestly. So, okay, I want to go a little bit deeper into where we were when we met. Because I think a lot of the insecurities that we had were like huge insecurities and I don't feel that we have them anymore.

Like it really astounds me how I think insecure, not overly insecure, but just like how many insecurities we had at that time and how they affected how we presented in the world. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Sure. I mean, I'm still riddled with insecurity. Let me be so clear about that. But I think back then, I always looked at extradict. factors. Oh, I'm insecure because I don't have a boyfriend or I don't have any money or I don't have this success or I clearly don't have the knowledge to pass this test that's tomorrow at 8 a.m.

But I realize now and I know that we've done a lot of growth and work on energy and our internal states and our relationships with the universe creator, God, whatever you want to call it. And that's always kind of evolved over time. But, I think something that has really been totally life-changing in our relationship is you help me go within and can also tell me if I'm exporting or delegating any kind of accountability to factors outside in the world that I think have nothing to do with me. Yeah, I think that's so true. I think if you kind of quantified the change that we've made is that we're always seeking something outside of ourself, right? Like for me in college, it was like I had to have the best grades.

I had to have a boyfriend. I had to have, you know, the best job I could get at the time, whatever it was. It was always these external searches. And then I think as we've grown, it's become this search of like, what does it actually mean for me to truly feel successful by my own internal metric system, by my own internal barometer? And I think ultimately, this is something I think we talk about all the time is it goes back to our relationship with God, the universe, the creator, you know, whatever name you want

a call of that force, that is always the thing that everything comes back to. You know, I think if we summarize this whole conversation into one sentence, that's what it would be is that that's the journey we've gone on is going from externally focused to focused on something greater than ourselves. And how does that actually affect how you move through the world? Yes. And it feels different, right, to not be continuously searching for external validation every waking moment. Back then, we had beautiful moments all the time, and now it feels like I can actually enjoy them. I think that something we talk a lot about is trying to position ourselves with uncertainty rather than scarcity. Yeah.

And I don't think I will ever be 100% in certainty mode. I mean, I'm working towards it, but realistically, there's so much of the recalibration on every moment. going back to the ideal and not beating myself up from swaying from where I want to be. Yeah, and I think that's a big change too is I used to take if I swayed from where I wanted to be as like a failure on my own part. And now I see it as literally it's data and its lessons. Like I'm just a constant collector of like data and lessons, data and lessons. How can I take this data and this lesson and apply it to my life? Yes, what you said about certainty. And so I'd love to hear how have you cultivated certainty?

Like, I've seen it, but how do you feel like you've created more certainty in your life and moved more away of that need for that external validation? I think that number one, and you've helped me with this, I just try to stop eating gluten and sugar because so much of that, I know we're talking about internal. I think that a lot of my feelings of rushing and, that heart beating really quick and my hands shaking. It came from just not giving my body the right nutrients and not taking the best care of myself

on a physical level. And I think that was probably the lowest hanging fruit, honestly. Yeah. Was quit eating bags of candy on a weekly basis. Eat more protein, rest and don't feel bad about it. In fact, prioritize it. I think that has helped just put me in a relaxed state. Yeah. And then second, I think really just embracing who I am, I remember us going out to parties and doing really seemingly fun things when in fact, both of us would have been a lot more comfortable reading and then going to bed at 8 p.m.

Yeah. Totally. There was this element. And I don't think this, this didn't end in college. Like I remember doing this in our 20s. You know, we would go, when we lived in Berkeley, we'd go. to like the bars and things like that. And that's never been something that ever felt fulfilling to either of us. But I think we thought we would miss out. You know, we would miss out on friendships. We'd miss out on connections. And now I reflect on it. And I'm like, my friendships now are so much deeper. My level of happiness and peace is so much deeper because I just really don't do any of that kind of stuff that doesn't feel really good for me. You know what I mean? And I think that has been a change too is even when we got really into, for you, it was skiing, for me, it was climbing, there was so much of the seeking of the external of what will people think when we're a better climber or a better ski or whatever. And I think once we shifted out of that, it's like our lives started taking on this completely different energy, this completely different flavor. It's almost like this flavor of peace. Like I'm just going to do the things that feel really good for me. Totally. I mean, we, I think it was when we were graduating that the term, FOMO and YOLO came out. And I don't know why. This is so skewed. It made me think, then you should

definitely go out or do things that aren't in alignment with you, things that I perceive to be really cool. It came from this not being comfortable with myself. Yeah. And then matched with the kerosene of seeking continuously external validation. And I think that in some point, you and I heard somebody told one of us, nothing that's meant for you will ever pass you by. And just knowing that and internalizing it has helped us be in the energies of where we're actually able to receive. And that can kind of only come through by us thriving and doing the things that serve our souls. Yeah. The theme too that keeps coming to mind as you're talking is this theme of certainty. And I don't think that we would have been able to, it's almost like we hit the unsubscribe

button on the things in our life that just were not aligned anymore. And I look back and I'm like, man, I spent so much time, you know, rock climbing and spending time with people that weren't quite the right fit for me because of this fear of what is going to be in their place. Right. And I remember you saying that about when you were going through a breakup and you wanted to go through that breakup and you're afraid of losing the friends that you had made through that relationship. And I think so many people feel that way, especially like I have clients who are going through divorces, you know, and there's this huge fear of loss, right? But I think we so oftentimes forget that on what loss actually is, it's the creation of space for more aligned things to come in. And like for you, you still have all of those

friendships that were true deep friendships, you know? And for me, I feel like I let go of those friendships and then I was able to bring in way more aligned of friendships. I think it's almost made me realize like loss doesn't actually exist. That scarcity mindset, that I was bathing in every day. It made me just want to, like, grasp. Like, I'm not going to let go of this, and I know it's not the right fit, but that's okay.

I'm just going to hug this porcupine and see how it feels. Yes. And it didn't feel good. Oh, my gosh. No, it did not feel good. I think, too, the more that you can let go of the small things

that aren't right for you, the more that you can let go of the big things that are also not right for you. For me, with my first business, letting go of that was really hard because I had put so much time, energy, and money into it. But in my soul, I knew, like, this is not what I'm meant to be doing. I don't think I would have been able to let that go if I hadn't practiced letting go of smaller things beforehand. I totally agree with that.

I think that in past relationships, I'm thinking about one particular. I just didn't want to go from something to nothing. That terrified me. Yeah. So I thought that the best course of action was let me just die by a thousand cuts. and see what happened. Of course that wasn't going to end great. I wish that I had just had the confidence, that certainty that everything was going to work out.

And it would have been healthier for both parties to part ways earlier rather than years afterwards. Yes. Oh, my gosh, yes. And I think of so many of my clients who I work with as you say that, because I think we confuse the amount of time I've invested. with, well, I've invested the last decade, two decades, two years of my life into this, I have to keep going, right? We're thinking of it the wrong way because what you're doing is you're actually losing even more of that time with something that's not aligned, trying to make something work that maybe was never meant to work.

In my late night scrolls on TikTok, I came across this quote that said something along the lines of I can handle and metabolize any outcome. Or I think she used the word consequence, which I thought was kind of like had a negative connotation. Yeah. I like the word outcome. I think that I just couldn't imagine myself without a partner. Yeah.

Or I couldn't imagine myself without friends, even if it wasn't the right group. But now I can stand on a stack of undeniable proof that I will actually survive. Yeah. I mean, I messed up something at work that was pretty. significant. And that was on Friday. And I'm still living right now. So it doesn't ever feel better, but I just know that I'm avoiding a lot of suffering in the future. It gets kind of the equivalent of, well, if I worry about it, will that make how I feel later on feel better or worse? Yes. Let's actually just have some action versus fantasizing about good or bad things that could

happen. Yeah. And I think too, a big pivotal thing in our journeys was when we started studying Kabbalah and we learned about the certainty principle of everything always works out everything is good everything is from the creator and when you remember that i really i go back to that on a daily basis of every single thing like even you messing up something on friday at work is good there is something good within that you know what i mean every single thing and i just have to keep reminding myself of that is there's something good in absolutely every single area of life and i think that the more that I remember that, the more that I'm able to actually do what's aligned for me and not try to control, I'm able to let go. I think something that if I could go back and tell us, I would say

something along the lines of, look, Sabrina, you are looking for certainty in all the wrong things. Yeah. I used to really equate having a financial safety net with certainty. Like, this guarantees me, I'm secure and I will be okay. This happened to me once somebody quadruple cashed a check. You know when you take a photo of a check on your phone. She did that four times on accident. She didn't mean to. And then lo and behold, I had a negative bank balance.

So even having money in the bank, that's not certainty. Yeah. What certainty I find is the big overarching virtues. Yeah. Faith, presence, gratitude. Yeah. All of those conditions will make it. certain that I can withstand anything that comes my way. Yes, I completely agree with you. I think it's

cultivating those virtues and it's cultivating how you think about different situations. That was a really big part of this trajectory for me was learning that every single situation, there's a thousand different reflections of that situation. You know, it's like a hall of mirrors where you look and you see yourself a thousand times in each direction. Every situation has that. Right. So there's a thousand ways that I can view any situation. So why would I choose the thousand ways that feel crappy to me? Right. Why don't I choose the ways that feel good? I was doing that just today of how can I look at this in a way that makes me feel better? Because when we feel better, we're more creative, we're more expansive, we're more magnetic, you know, all of the things work better

for us when we feel better. And it's our choice how I view the situation of how I want to feel. That was so revolutionary to me. The thought of of, well, why don't you just prioritize feeling good, Sabrina? Yeah. That totally changed my life. And it's something so simple. Yeah. But I had a racing heart.

And I was trying to think of all the things that I needed to do the next day or highlight to myself all the possibilities where my life could totally go sideways. Yeah. That was somehow a help or a good thing or it put me in an advantage. when it clearly was just a detractor. Yeah. I think a lot of people do that where they think worry is security. You know, if I can anticipate what can go wrong, then I can prevent it.

When in reality, what you're actually doing is just like lowering your energy, lowering your ability to actually be creative and create the outcome that you want to create. Yeah, like there is no reward for worry. I think in like Asian culture, sometimes it can be misconstrued as, oh, that person, person's really planning for the future or thinking of plan C, D, E, F, all the way down the line, where it's just kind of catastrophizing and there isn't any benefit. Yeah. I want to ask some questions about your sales career because you have always, so for our listeners,

Sabrina and I worked at the same, two of the same companies, three of the same companies before I left and started my businesses. Plus teaching that too. Oh, yeah, four. Whoa. And the thing about sales that was amazing to me is like we were on these huge sales teams with really, really good salespeople, these very, very developed companies, like great, difficult sales environments, I believe.

And you always became number one. And it was like clockwork and this current company that you're at. I'm like, I would place thousands of dollars on the fact that you're going to become number one there. You just started there. So, you need a little more time. But you always become number one. number one, and I am always amazed by it because it's like the environment can be completely different. Your territory can be different. Everything. What do you think allows you to do that? Because I have my

theories, but I'd love to hear like, what do you think allows you to do that? Number one, I really like it. I put a lot of pressure on myself, but period, end of story. I really enjoy the environment. Yeah. I think there's something magical about being a former educator and then being able to work continuously in education. That's always been important to me. I mean, I'm so nosy. I love going in. Some people get obsessed with going into people's homes, but I want to see the inside of their classrooms. Like, I want to smell industrial solvent and see what you did with your bulletin board, even though I'm not, like, truly in the same game. Yeah. As a classroom teacher in this moment. So I think liking it really helps. I think that I've always been comfortable just dying another day

and planting a seed and not having to worry about the one for one, I think that if I can add value now, then the relationship's going to be strong and that person will be really motivated to help adopt the program at a later date, but without any pressure. So it's almost like giving and then releasing. And if it doesn't work out truly being okay. with it. At the end of the day, working in education, if there isn't a viable impact or a significant impact, then I actually don't want to be a part of it. And I can make recommendations for something else that they can use. Yeah. So I think that not feeling like I need to get something immediately or actually ever. Yeah. That's so interesting. And I love this because it applies to every single

person, right? How we can apply these principles. I really believe in what Tony Robbins always says of like success leaves clues. And when you listen and you understand what successful people are doing and you have a proven track record of success and you say, okay, how can I apply that to me? You are so much more powerful. And for what I just heard from you and I've never really even, I talked to you every day and I've never picked this up was like one, just really loving what you do. And I see myself like I was in those sales organizations and I was never one and I didn't love it. Like I didn't want to be there. I wanted to be doing what I'm doing right now. But number two, also being able to see the long game. And that was something that took me a long time, even in my own business. Now, I've had to really see that, you know, what I'm doing is not

to impact me right in this moment. You're building relationships with people and you're okay with planting those seeds over the long term. I think a lot of people want what they want right now and they want to have this success right now. And especially a lot of new business owners get really discouraged because they don't see that success right away. And really creating your own sales territory, it really is running your own business in a way. And being okay with, okay, I'm going to plant these seeds and I can have nothing come from it. And then I allow something to come maybe in the future, maybe not, it doesn't matter. I'm just happy with what I'm doing now. I think yes to everything. Also, too, you were in the same meeting and literally somebody, I'll never forget it because it was so basic. He said, if you're right here,

stop trying to sell to somebody up here, sell to them right here. And it took me a while to internalize what he was saying, but the gist of it is don't come from this graspy place where you're putting everybody else on a pedestal. Yeah. Talk to people like you're talking to an old friend and be grateful that you're there, but don't be thanking them for the first 25 minutes of a conversation that you're supposed to be adding value to. Yeah. And I think that people can feel energy and they can feel a lack of confidence or an unhealthy sense of admiration.

Yeah. And just get rid of all of that. Yeah, you know, I think one of the big things that I see with my clients is if they're in corporate, so I kind of have to, it's like either business owners or they're in corporate and they want to progress in corporate. it. They'll want that promotion, right? But they're not living as the version of themselves who has that promotion, right? That promotion is above them. That boss is above them. That next thing is above them. And it's really learning to, who would I be if I was actually at that next level and how would I show up? And I think you've done that so beautifully because I've personally see like your confidence has grown

so much over, you know, the last decade plus. And it's really cool to see you. owning yourself, you feeling so comfortable in all of these conversations with, you know, huge people that control very, very large budgets and, you know, you could easily put them above you, but you don't. And these people love you for it, you know, and I think it's because you go in with that exact mindset you just shared. So I would love to hear more about how you have developed this confidence over the last X number of years because you really have become so confident and so just like amazingly opened your shell. And I think it's really, really cool to get to experience.

So I'd love for you to share with our listeners, what are some things they can do to develop that confidence in all areas of life? That was something that I really struggled with. Like I would have physical reactions if I wasn't feeling confident. Like I remember talking to a prospective client and then my voice would like quiver or break or shake. My hands would get really sweaty. I would think that I would need to be somebody else in like really high energy. So I would chug tons of coffee.

And then like in the middle of a conversation needed to go to the rest of it. Like all the things that would make me truly cringe today. I think that part of what's made me confident is really just knowing myself and owning who that person is. Yeah. I think that came from saying no to a lot of things, but then also exposing myself. to a ton of different things. It's interesting because when someone asks how to build confidence, it's different for everybody, right? Yeah. And different things will work at different times in your life. I think when you and I were just coming out of college, the idea of having like this spirit animal

you morph into, like Kobe with Black Mamba or Beyonce with Sasha Fierce. It was all. And I think that comes from like kind of what you alluded to of defining what that next version of yourself would look like. Yeah. And even if you have to step into a costume, that will just get you started before it becomes authentic. Yes, I love that so much because it's almost like a backdoor entry into it because you're not saying like, oh, I am Sasha Fierce. You're saying, oh, there's this, there's Sasha Fierce. you're saying, oh, there's this, there's Sasha Fierce. And like, I'm just going to step into this Sasha Fierce version of myself, you know. And I think, too, something I've noticed with you as well is you have always taken the risks.

Like the small risks or the big risks, you've always been okay with taking the risks. And I think the same for me. And I think that is really how you really build confidence. You know, I saw this Laila Hermosie real or something that it was. And she was talking about how confidence isn't built by journey. like I am confident. I can do it. Confidence really is built by doing the things when you're not confident, you know, and I've seen you do that and I've done that. And I think it's expecting ourselves to go from like zero to confident in 15 minutes when it's okay to do something and

become a little bit more confident and a little bit more confident. I also think there's different avenues of confidence in like you can be really confident in public speaking and you can be really not confident in one-on-one conversations. You know, there's different aspects of us and we're always going to feel different levels of confidence based on our experience in different areas. And going back to what you said of, it's okay to actually just be yourself, own up to who you really, really are. I feel like I'm most confident when I'm in alignment with the person that I actually am. Yeah. So like in college when I thought it was the end-all be able to be like a hard science. STEM major.

Yeah. And I just hated every minute, every day when I was in these chem classes and working in a lab. And I just, I mean, I was unconfident for a reason. It's because I didn't belong there. And I was forcing myself to be there. Yes. And that made me feel wobbly all the time. And same with, I didn't feel confident when I was going out to bars with people that I didn't

particularly enjoy spending time with. Yeah. And not that there's anything wrong with doing those activities, it's just in that moment, it wasn't in alignment with who I was. Yes. And it felt yucky. Yeah. I was there for all the wrong reasons. I was there to be viewed as cool and connected and popular and having places to be with people that I like. And it was all a facade. So I think if you can figure out who you want to be and just give yourself permission and space to find what it is you actually like. Yeah. That's really helpful. I remember getting out of a breakup and the next day I went to a grocery store, which I love, like to this day, love grocery shopping. And I looked at my basket and it was filled with the stuff that my former partner loved, like goldfish and cheese

and mac and cheese, like all these orange things. And I don't like orange food. But I was buying them because I was on autopilot and it wasn't for me and it wasn't in alignment with me. So, oh my God, if I couldn't eat what I wanted or like even know what to buy that I wanted, like, of course I wouldn't be confident or comfortable. Yeah. In other places. Yeah. And I think it can be so simple of just literally being in a situation and being like,

do I actually like being here or looking at your grocery back skin and being like, do I actually like these foods? Is this actually what I want for my life? Because you're right. It's so often we get on autopilot based on. who we were growing up or who we have been in a past relationship and we forget, you know, like I look back and I spent so much time rock climbing and I was like, did I actually even like rock climbing? Like, I was scared all the time. Was I really enjoying that? I don't know. But now I know, you know,

I do believe contrast is important because it shows us what we actually don't want, you know, and we develop so much more of a human being when we start to recognize and vote for what we want and vote for what we don't want. I would love to leave our listeners with just one last piece of advice. So what do you think it means for someone to really be in alignment? Wow. I mean, only that person can ever answer that. Yeah. And oftentimes that definition would be different based on new knowledge that you gain or where you are in a specific time in life. If you're in alignment, you'll have a sense of peace, even if you're in a sense of peace, even if you're if you are growing.

And by definition, that's not necessarily comfortable. Yeah. But you will feel at peace with that stretch. Like it doesn't necessarily feel great to go to yoga and be reaching for your toes or to be learning something new. But there will be this underlying tone of, oh, I'm climbing the hill that I'm supposed to be on. Yeah. And I want to see what's at the top. Yeah.

Instead of knowing that that's not destined for you, which is how I spent so much of my 20s. Yeah, I really like your analogy of the hill. Well, thank you so much for being here with us today. I've really enjoyed getting to talk to you. I mean, I could talk to you for the next six hours. Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for having me. Cheers to 17 years of friendships since 17.

I love you so much. I love you too.