All Fantasy Everything - 2000s Pop Stars (w/ Jeff Weiss)

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

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the podcast that fantasy drafts anything and everything from the world of pop culture. On today's episode, we're drafting pop stars from the year 2000 to the year 2010. Our guest today is an All Fantasy Everything original, a dear friend of mine, a talented writer, a talented talker, just a talented man at leaving the gym that we used to go to together, standing on a moral high ground, one that I caved into. Jeff Weiss is here today on the podcast. Thank you for having me.

Yeah, I'm blackballed at that gym, actually. Ian, it's a chose to my true character, is that I have no lie, they have wanted signs of me all over this gym, actually. It's like, do not let this man in. You left in a blaze of glory, didn't you? You told them how it was? It was, yeah, I told them, I said, you are not robots.

The prices, they tried to triple the price on me. I'm a man who likes a deal. And I was like, you can't triple the price on a gym. And then I got into a whole thing where it got very existential and philosophical. Where I'm like, they're like, we don't triple the price on a gym. And then I got into a whole thing where it got like very existential and philosophical. Where I'm like, they're like, we don't want any people at the gym. I'm like, well, that goes against the purpose of doing a business where you want more people to come. And yeah, has the gym survived or could it not last without me? And then Ian's like, I'll gladly play.

They didn't raise my price as much as they raised Jeff's, that which is part of how weird it is. You're more likeable. I'm no more. I'm not in there. I'm charming. I'm charming the pants off these people. I don't, I, it's crowded still. And let me tell you that it hasn't gotten any better. It's the exact same fucking gym. Like as always, I didn't quit cause I could walk there, and I'm like, I'm not gonna go to the gym

if I can't walk there. I'm pretty sure I saw Walton Goggins in there the other day. Oh, I'd pay, well yeah. That's probably what they knew was gonna happen. I'll sign up for it. I don't even think they'll all sign up for the gym. They put out the Goggins trap and he stepped right in it. I bet you he, is he sure?

It's not a fancy gym though. It's not the kind of place you would think Walton Goggins would go. Yeah, it has like the ambiance of like a dungeon, you know? Like everyone's begging for bread at the end of a workout. It's very weird, you know? It's an odd place.

He's- Like, convenient. Very convenient. It's a convenient, incredibly odd place with those wings that you pose in front of for an Instagram picture painted on the wall. They love the wings. Gotta love the wings.

I'm your host Ian Carmel. With me as always are my friends and comedians, Sean Jordan and David Borey. Here we are, we are drafting pop stars from 2000 to 2010. Part of this, well, we'll get to it in a second. First, Sean Jordan is here. Sean Cougar Mel and Jordan on Instagram come find me tonight in New Orleans in my New Jersey's and then Mitchell Ness again

Yeah, come see us in New Orleans also Denver May 30th dude IDK I'll be there doing some stand-up and Yeah, that's it. Oh,, David Borey's here. Coolguyjokes87 on Instagram. Hell yeah. Where can people see you? New Orleans tonight, New Jersey? Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm not even sure what I'm doing.

We don't even have to do anything on Thursday. That's what I'm saying, like it's gonna chill. Oh, I'm flying in in the Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm wearing a warmup with the full, I'm gonna wear in the jersey. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wearing a warmup with the full, Yo, yeah. I'm gonna wear a shooting sleeve. Yo.

Go through the metal detector and just rip off your warmup. I'm in business class with my shooting shirt off. Oh, and like this the whole time. I'm gonna have my CPAP machine and a Louis Vuitton bag like I'm doing a tunnel walk, dude. It's gonna be huge. The stewardess keeps coming over.

You're like, no, I'm just practicing. I don't need anything. I'm good, yeah. Yeah, June 15th, I'm going to be at Little Field in New York City, I would really love for you to come see that in Brooklyn, and that's kind of the big one that's on the thing for right now. Coming into New Orleans tonight.

Also, I'm coming to Rapid City later in the year. Yeah, that's right, Rapid City Comedy Club, that's right. It's West River Comedy Club. Well, goddamn it, West River Comedy Club. I know, because I worked it before you. Figuring out a date. In your hometown. You know him from Passion of the Weiss.

You know him from several episodes of All Fantasy, everything. Jeff Weiss is here. What's going on? Bow, bow, bow. Thank you for joining us. We need some sounds. Scream, scream, scream. I feel for joining us. We need to, we need to. Yeah, thank you for having me.

Scream, scream, scream. Yeah, totally. Because I feel like I'm getting tossed from a place, like in Fresh Prince of LA, where like jazz gets thrown. Not to, not to, not to compliment you in front of you, because I know that can be a very uncomfortable thing. Truly like my favorite writer to read. Just I think one of, like, your Instagram captions alone have more life and excitement in them

than like 99.9% of the books I read. I'm so, I just really love your work. Anything but Instagram anymore, so. Yeah, that's true, I guess you gotta think. I guess I gotta get it off there. More than the Brad Thor books that people still buy, I guess, yeah. Yeah, that's true. I guess you gotta pay. I gotta get it off there. More than the Brad Thor books that people still buy, I guess. Yeah, totally. The romance novels that I ghost read aren't paying the bills the same way. Nah, not filling the bank account. But there's a book that you didn't ghost write coming out soon. You rote-rote it.

That's true. It is called Waiting for Britney Spears. It's out June 10th on FSG, MCD, you know, everywhere you can find a book. It's going to be, I got to, I got to read the audible audio book soon. That's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, you know, I got hired. It's based on, it's based on kind of, it's a using Britney Spears kind of to tell the story of the death, the American dream about a tabloid journalist that goes through the two thousands following her from a rise and fall. And actually for the for the audiobook I'm doing with the paparazzi who the story is based off of as well. So it's gonna have a little shit authenticity Yeah, he's like he was really mad at me because he's like, why did you not put my real name in the book? Didn't think you'd like it

He's like I could use more of me You know, I guess you should have known like a paparazzi guy would be like yeah me me. Yeah. Yeah, he's great No, I love him. Yeah, shut up now. Shut up Mel Buzard Yeah, if I didn't shut his name, he'd be like, why didn't you not shout me out when you were? Yeah, so Google he's got Google alert set up for sure. What's his name in the book? Oliver Oliver born mouth. Yeah, and yeah. It's kind of a sound alike. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. So. I can't wait to read it. It sounds so good. Thank you. When's it come out again? Tell us. Thank you for asking.

June 10th. June 10th. June 9th, we're doing a book reading at Book Soup in LA. So, if you're around. June 69th. Yeah. I'll be there with a bowl of books too, dude. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully I will. The last time I was there for book reading was like a million years ago when Hunter Thompson was alive and he I waited in this like rainy line and you

know, it's like had we excited to get my book signed because it's like one of my favorite writers and then he like vomited everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Everywhere. And he was like with Benicio Toro and they rushed him to a limo. And so my goal is not to vomit. That is my number one goal. My goal is to have a barf limo, holy cow. That's awesome. That means you made it.

That means you made it. Dude, if I see Benicio del Toro anywhere near BookSoup, I'm gonna clear him out of there for you. Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. I can't wait. Where can people pre-order? All the places that you can pre-order books? Yeah, Amazon. There's a Macmillan link that's like the one they want me to use. You know, Barnes & Noble has an online store anywhere.

Nate Macmillan? Yeah, Nate Macmillan. The former point guard turned coach. If you find him, he's got copies. He's got press copies of it. Yeah, totally. My name is Ian Carmel at Ian Carmel all across all those platforms. Watch my special, Comfort Beyond God's Foresight on YouTube. Read my book, T-Shirt Swim Club, which is good, but it's not written nearly as well

as Jeff's is gonna be. No, your book is way funnier. Get him both, dude. Yeah, way funnier. Get him, but well, it remains to be seen. It remains to be seen. Get him both! Do a little two-fer gonna be. No, you're gonna get him bald, dude. Get him bald, dude. Yeah, way funnier. Get him, well, it remains to be seen. It remains to be seen. Get him bald, do a little two-fer, dude. Hell yeah.

Why, come see us in New Orleans. If you're anywhere near the city of New Orleans, come on, I don't even know how many tickets are available, or if there are any at this point, but like, it's gonna be really fun. We have some really fun surprises in store for people. Good time. Whale bones, yards.

Doing shows in Portland, but those sold out almost immediately, like within three hours. I met a couple dudes last night who wanted to come, so maybe they'll have a couple tickets, maybe. I know when places sell out, they, sometimes they're like, ah, good girl, couple more in here, so we'll see. We'll see.

We'll see if we can squeeze some people in. But we're here today not to talk about Portland, but instead to sink our teeth into a juicy topic that is tangentially, if not directly, related to, remind me the name of the book one more time, Jeff? Waiting for Britney Spears. There it is. We're just trying to get that dropped

as many times as we can in the episode. Thank you, appreciate it. Pop stars from the year 2000 to the year 2010. An incredibly fertile period for pop stars. Poof. It was going down. I had a pretty clear timeline because I graduated in 2000,

so when I was thinking about these, I'm like, what was I doing when this music came out? And if I wasn't in high school, then it kind of counted for me. So it was nice to have that. Because it's tricky, like some of that like 98, 99 stuff, you know? Yeah.

Oh yeah, like right on the line, like how in the Power Balance draft, you accidentally took a song from 1991, even though you were the guy who was busting everybody else's balls. No, I did not. What song? Yes you did.

You gotta check your Blue Sky mentions, bro. No. You gotta get on the sky. Cause now I gotta hold you accountable right here on the podcast. I'll get to the bottom of this right now. I got Blue Sky on my phone, bro. You gotta get on the sky, because now I gotta hold you accountable right here on the podcast. I'll get to the bottom of this right now. I got Blue Sky on my phone, dude. Okay.

It's on my phone. It was, to be with you, came out in November of, not only 1990, 1991, per near 1992, the Dream Team could have been practicing to this song and it not being like stale. What album was it on? It's on, hold on. Shit.

Yeah, all right. Yeah. All right, fine. Yeah. I quit. No, no! I'm sorry, you know that's like the one I didn't look up to because I was so sure it came out in the 80s.

Yeah, that's my band. Sean loses that draft. I five-hold you, dude, I five-hold you. You did. Sean was calling everybody else out on the years. David, you weren't there, Jeff, you weren't there. The power balance draft, Sean was out here, he was the year sheriff. Well, because the very first pick,

Jason picked Winds of Change, 90s. Now I'm like, right, you can't. Jason picked Winds of Change! That's what you sound like right now. Why don't you put your pads on if you're gonna talk to me like that. Yeah. Hell yeah, so this is gonna be,

a lot of the artists we're gonna be talking about today had heavy rotation on burnt CDs. Oh yeah. In a disc man with a tape adapter connected to it. Yeah, totally. It's the Kazaa Hot 100. Oh yeah. I was a Winamex guy.

Ooh. Morpheus, LimeWire, all of them. I got so excited when a new one came out. LimeWire would eat your shit up. Dude, LimeWire would. LimeWire killed so many dorms. You might as well just look up viruses. What viruses I can bet Dan would.

Dude, they got a Britney Justin sex tape on LimeWire. It's crazy. I got Minnie the Moocher with most death bars. It is so, Jay-Z did California Love. It's right here on LimeWire. You find a song where they're like 15 guest verses on California Love and you're like, I didn't even know they were friends.

This is crazy. Because friends have to do music with each other. That's why I thought they had to be in the same room. Back then I was like, they gotta be in the same room to do this. You can't. Yeah, a buddy of mine, he wanted Hotten here so bad that he downloaded it five times

and we made fun of him for, I still doing it I guess, because our buddies like LimeWire had Hot in Here five times, we're like, we downloaded Hot in Here five times, I think the one would have worked just fine. You know how they give you like the task bar and one would be ripping through and you'd get one that would go hella slow, so you're just like, well I'm gonna get a better one. You wanna be ripping through, and you'd get one that would go hella slow, so you're just like, well, I'm gonna get a better one. There were, I will say, Blink-182 live versions

of the song Damn It. There were a bunch of different versions, because they would do a breakdown, and in one of them they did, I wish it was a little bit taller, to the tune of Damn It, which is pretty good. I'm still seeking out that high. I mean, it worked for plenty of stuff. Pl plenty of songs. I got tons of music off of those

I did share the computer got a bunch of viruses, but I didn't care That's what it was for that was actually how a soldier boy got famous at first was he put uh, He lied and put like crank that as like the most popular song of the moment So you download it and then you just get cranked and you're like, Crank That as, like, the most popular song of the moment. So you download it and then you just get Crank That and you're like, what the fuck is this? No, I got Crank That, I got Crank That at it a couple times.

Yeah, it worked, because then people would be like, now hold on, actually. It's kind of good. What kind of spirit, it's not me, the spirit of the kind of person who thinks they're downloading Shake Your Tail Feather. They get Crank That by Soulja Boy, but sticks with it when it turns out

not to be Shake Your Tail Feather. That's a person with a beautiful soul. Yeah. Yeah, I was mad. Interesting. I was always mad. Me too. It was like getting Rick rolled where you're like, fuck you, man. Yeah.

Yeah. God damn it. What, this is gonna sound so stupid. What was file sharing? I never understood it. Like what? How did people who put stuff on Morpheus? Was it just people that were like, I want to put the whole two box CD on Morpheus real quick and make it available? Yeah, it's just people uploading it. And was it like you'd get bits and pieces from different places or did you just like straight up download it from someone else's? Computer someone would share their whole file library. uploading it. And was it like you'd get bits and pieces

from different places or did you just like straight up download it from someone else's computer? Someone would share their whole file library. Okay. So then you would have access to their file library and it would kind of build like a, like a encyclopedia almost of music. And I think the more people who had it,

the faster it downloaded because then it would like come from multiple, you would be downloading the information from multiple sources. That's what I'm saying, so like you would, because then it would like come from multiple, you would be downloading the information from multiple sources. That's what I'm saying, so like you would, I get it, okay. Isaac, is that right, does that check out? I think so, I don't know. Like it's like torrenting, right?

I never knew what that was either, I always acted like I did, because I didn't want to sound like an asshole, like dude, pirates pay for me all day, I got a tattooed on my shoulders, what are you talking about? Same old thing, yeah, hell yeah. I buy my groceries, the pirates pay.

Don't explain to me how that works, I yeah. I buy my groceries at Pirates. Don't explain to me how that works. I know. I know. Paid for an apple since 1997. Kidding me? The way we determine the order of this draft is through a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors played between the three of you, David, John, and Jeff.

And we throw one shoot. Here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, damn. Oh, Jeff wins. Odd made out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's out of three.

All right. All right, you win by losing. That's right, you win by a little bit. Just like Soulja Boy. We spread joy. Soulja Boy didn't lose. So author of Waiting for Bertie Spears, a true story allegedly by Jeff Weiss available for pre-order now.

I thought I'd get the first pick. All right. Well, well, not the first pick. In fact, you have to determine the order first. The order. Yeah. It is incumbent upon you as the winner of Rock, Paper, Scissors to determine the order of this draft.

But before you do, I need to tell you, it is a serpentine draft. And what is that? It's a good question. Oh, where it goes? Last goes first again. Goddamn right. God, exactly right. Goddamn right.

It's exactly what it is. The order of the first round goes first in the second round. Jeff, with that in mind, what would the order of today's draft be? All right, I will go last then. Oh, you are thought corner. I will go last, yeah. I will go last. All right. And then, yeah. I will go last.

And then, yeah. Who's going first? You can kick it. Let's go in order. Ian, David, Sean. Okay. Ian never goes first. Feels weird. I feel uncomfortable. I like to create the pressure for you.

Lucky number three. I thought that just for a second I knew it wasn't but it looked like David pulled a gun out. It was the microphone, but I just pictured if he just pulled a gun up, like, all right, I love it. Isaac, cut that out. Isaac, can we move on? Why would you assume that it was a gun? I didn't really, but for a second,

I was sharing my thoughts with my friends. Not always hilarious. Isaac, do you have a gun? I do not have a firearm, no. Oh, a firearm. I am? I do not have a firearm. No. A firearm. I am not an owner of a legal firearm or an illegal firearm in the United States of America. Well, that's what the owner

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And we're back, welcome back to All Fantasy Everything. We're about to go to the first pick, but first we were having some in the break chatter about how into jazz I've gotten. I texted you about this, Jeff. David and Sean and Isaac know well about, it happened about like four months ago where my son was born, we didn't wanna do screens,

so we upgraded the Crosley record player to like an actual proper like record player. And I've always liked jazz peripherally. But my father-in-law is like a bit like really into jazz took we went to Amoeba. He like got a few like we went there. He grabbed like a Jimmy Smith, I like Jimmy Smith back at the chicken shack, I like a Bill Evans album, Oscar Peterson's West Side Story. Like, you know, and kind of loaded me up with like a few things to, he's like, oh, these are just really good.

You know, you'll want to have these in your collection. And I've gotten hooked. There we go. That was the intro. That was the intro. I've always liked, I like... Well sure, but I was like... A track here and there. I'd listen to like St. Thomas by Sonny Rollins, right?

And I'm like, oh I like this track. Jazzmatazz Volume 1 and 2 by Guru. I get it. Absolutely. Dude, Jazzmatazz... They ruled, by the way. Both those albums are fantastic. R.F.P. Angie Stone. Oh yeah, damn. There's also a Madlib record of him just remixing a bunch of Blue Note. It's really good. LP has a record like that, too, called

High Water. That's also really good. Oh, I'll have to get that. For sure. Like mid 2000s. Yeah. So I've since gone hook, line and sinker into it because it combines. I've like really gotten into it. I read about it.

I listen to like podcasts, jazz and shit. I don't see what's, you've been talking in the thread, like it's bad, I think it's great. Well wait until you hear, I get like. I'm very excited to get this. I like it too, but it ain't gonna bum me out, I'll tell you that for sure. It mixes like music, which I really just love listening to,

and then also the thrill of the hunt, because I won't buy stuff online, unless there, I mean there was like a crazy like verve sale and I bought some things on me because it was like half off. But hold on, I have the full list here because I've been cataloging it. But that's fun, like you're saying, going digging through the crates.

It gives you something to do in all these towns that you travel to, not like there's nothing to do, but going to a record store is getting an actual taste for the city instead of going to like the mall or whatever. You know what I mean? And I feel like jazz is such a good thing because it's like if you buy like another kind, you'll listen to it.

You know what I mean? Because it's great at home listening. Exactly, I worked through it. It's on like, on the constant rotation in the house. I went to like Fresh Produce Records in Macon, in Chicago, I went to a bunch of places. 172 is what I'm up to right now. Yeah, that's what I already bought those.

You got a space? Have you guys discussed where they go? I got space, I got, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a whole, there and there. You can't pile them up, you know, you can't stack them. You gotta have a good idea. No, I know that, I know that. Dickhead.

Some of these are like $2. Sure. Some of these are $40, you know, whatever. What's the most expensive? Yeah, huh? What's the most expensive? Just 40. Records actually don't get,

there are some that are insanely expensive, but for the most part, it's not, you're not gonna see much more than $40, $50 for a record. It's been my experience at it. Better than shoes, I'll tell you that. Yeah, way better, but also much more available Right shout out to Andreas. I see an AFE listener who I ran into an amoeba yesterday

What's up, Andreas? So there's that dude anyway 172 records deep that's cool. That's great man. I can't wait to see him. They look cool. Just when they're chilling I like a favorite period that you're like for or is it just all over the place? Because there is kind of a big difference. The huge difference is I'm really into, I really like piano driven stuff. So I've kind of like Oscar Peterson, Bill Evans, you know, like even like all the way, those are like probably my two favorite right now. And again, I'm like just early in my journey. But like I've gotten Keith Jarrett all the way back to Art Danum, Amad Jamal, like of course.

That's what I like when I have no idea who you're talking about and you're like, well, of course. Yeah. Even Jimmy, I have like a bunch of Jimmy Smith who like plays Orden. Yeah. Who's like really, yeah, his album Root Down is great. That live one from LA.

Totally, I have a good Oscar Peterson actually recommendation. He did, he only did one movie score and I just watched this movie. It's like an obscure Elliot Gould movie from the late 70s called A Silent Partner. And it's written and directed by Curtis Hansen. Or he didn't direct it, but he directed some scenes. And Oscar Peterson did the score.

And it's actually a quiet Liam. It's a very Hitchcockian. It's an amazing movie. And Oscar Peterson does an amazing score for it. Oh, shit. I'm going to check that out for sure. Yeah. It's like it goes as deep as you an amazing score for it. Oh shit, I'm gonna check that out for sure. It goes as deep as you want it to go to, which is like both the wonderful and treacherous

thing about it. That's a hobby. That's a good Instagram caption. See you're on your way. Both wonderful and treacherous? Anyway, if you want to talk more about jazz, hit me up on any of my socials. I'm very available for all of that. Time for my first pick in the 2000 to 2010 pop stars draft.

Uh huh. Did you have a clear front runner? Well, I feel like there's a clear number one here, but I hesitate to take this person, but Jeff put himself on the hot corner. Yeah, I'm going to take this person But Jeff put himself on the hot corner Yeah, I'm gonna take Britain. It's Brittany bitch. Who else could it be? I mean, there's a few other ones I would consider but for you, that's what you would fucking say. Mr. Forth pick in the first round Yeah, I'm gonna get some sleeper picks here and there Um, I just think like even though I think started in the night for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I just think like, even though I think started in the 90s.

The 90s for sure. Yeah. Was like such a prototypical pop star. And like, I mean, Jeff, you can talk about this much more intelligently than I, but really the intoxicating, toxic, no pun intended, the intoxicating parts of a pop star for like American culture,

the tragedy of the pop star in American culture, like it played out in a way that like a Marilyn Monroe, but even more magnified by the access and the mania. It felt like. Definitely, I think you can trace America's kind of like declined in a lot of ways, right? Cause it starts in 2000 with oops, I did it again, which is like, I'm not that innocent. And it's like, oh, and then she's like, I'm not a girl, I'm not yet a woman.

And then by like 2007, it's like full on blackout, you know, like paparazzi headlines everywhere, you know, kind of the she shaved her head, you know, she made releases the album after she shaves her head kind of it just I think kind of and like if you look at the 2000s Too there's like this trajectory where it kind of starts out like a time of limitless peace and prosperity You know like everyone remembers like on this podcast like it felt pretty good in the year 2000 like y2k Like I'm worried about is my computer crashing. It's gonna be a good time And then like 9-eleven hits in the Iraq War and then Katrina and like next thing you know You're just like like huddled up in the fetal position.

Like, you know, the new century hit hard. It hits so hard and hard and immediately. Yeah. Almost immediately. I guess we had two, the year 2000. Um, but yeah. And then combined with some of our most impressive Swedish talent doing some of their best work.

You know, like in the producers who worked with Britney Spears in those days, too. So a lot of the songs from that era, phenomenal. Incredible. Yes. I mean, Neptune's, you know, made like, obviously, I'm a slave for you. But also, Why Should I Be Sad, which is like the last time on Blackout is like an I think it's like kind of anticipated like Tyler the Creator's whole production sound. It's like a really weird classic Neptune's beat, like kind of the last classic Neptune's beat. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, it's like a kind of a deep cut, was not a single. Obviously she was working with Timbaland's producer, Danger, who was like basically making the Timbaland beats for a long time. And what most people don't know, which I found in like when I was doing my research, is you know that band Mike Snow they're really popular like yeah indie pop group who like they produced actually toxic under a different name

like that was their original yeah yeah that song animal right like yeah I think so yeah and then obviously yeah Max. So, and those guys. Yeah, Max Martin, yeah. Dr. Luke. Not a good guy, but definitely produced for Britney Spears. Not even a doctor. Not even a doctor! Fuck my head. No, thank you, Dr. Luke. I'll take an older doctor.

Not even a Luke. Yeah. Yeah. Not even a Luke. I see you might be a Luke. Yeah, Britney Spears, it just feels like, if we're gonna talk about the pop music of 2000, 2010. Yeah, dude. You see you might be a Luke. Yeah, Britney Spears. It just feels like if we're gonna talk about the pop music of 2000, 2010.

You put me in that first spot. I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Toxic Slave For You are still, they still just are so fun to listen to. Did you know this is Hit Me Baby One More Time was also because it was written by Swedish people. They thought that like, they meant like Hit Me Up

like on the phone one more time. Or like a pager. Oh, is that what that was? Yeah, yeah. Hit me up on a phone or a pager, but they were like, didn't know. So they were just like, hit me baby one more time. You know, hit me, hit me. On my phone. It was a weird song,

because I never, it never seemed like it was about sex or anything to me. I just didn't, I was like, hit me. I don't know, I never thought about what I thought it meant. It was just catching. Well, isn't that the beautiful thing? Is that like, it could be about sex I thought it meant. It was just catching. Well, isn't that the beautiful thing? Is that like, it could be about sex,

but it isn't so explicitly about sex that it's not gonna be number one. She said a lot of feelings, my loneliness. Uh-huh. And it was in a high school, and I was like, we're the same age. Yeah, exactly. Like right when I was watching that video,

I was like, yeah, she gets it. I was like, it's like she was with the exact same age. Totally, you know what I'm saying? I was like, you're for gets it. I was like, she was with the exact same age. Totally, I was like, you're for sure gonna marry Britney Spears. Obviously, this isn't gonna happen. You're gonna be Arthur Miller. I did the same thing with Jennifer Love Hewitt where I saw Can't Hardly Wait and I'm like,

if I ever met her, it'd be a rap, dude. She would love me. Totally, yeah, we get each other. That's a crazy world that kids live in for about two years, where they think they're gonna get that famous person that's their same age. The marketing was so good then, too. Sure. They just sold her as this teenage homecoming princess,

and then all of a sudden she's going to outer space with an astronaut and an Abercrombie model. And then there's like, remember Oops! I Did It Again has like a weird Titanic interlude. I don't know if you guys remember that. Yeah, see baby. Yeah. No reason.

He's so specific. You know that purple heart necklace that the old lady threw into the ocean at the end of that movie on the big ship that went down and ended up sinking? She's like, oh, you shouldn't have done that. You know they did not have the rights to say Titanic Yeah, no way Jim Cameron didn't even look at that look at that fax

Well that was going to be Leonardo DiCaprio, and then I think at the end he was like you know what? I don't think I need to be in this video plucked from the pages of entourage right there interesting hilarious if that was nardo holy cow David time for your first pick oh Man, I mean this is the first guy that came to my mind. I love it because he started in the 90s, but it really peaked in the early aughts. Usher, Usher. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I could, yeah.

8701 and Confessions back to back, it was, he was unstoppable. He was unbelievable. His 2000s were- Yeah, it wasn't even my song, but you gotta admit that That could be arguably the song of that decade. I mean that song That song puts that whole decade for me. Well, like yeah to like you couldn't go out any other year in New Orleans That's what I'm talking about is yeah You still still hear it everywhere. Yeah, it's it's

Fantastic that song it had the three. I mean just the three perfect mixtures in that song anyway Yeah, I should do and he is just the height of his powers. You don't have to call confession It was just like you got a bad dude. You got my man He had heelys on in the club like he could do no wrong It was it was that he's like the depth that's that era for me is that was the usher era. And it was cool seeing him come off of like my way and stuff was cool, but he really came into his own right? Yeah, and he did it.

Usher's a man now. He's not just like singing about being 17. He's not getting shut down by chili. He's gonna have sex with your wife. Well, and it's like, that's what's crazy, right? Like still Usher is like, yeah, like just feeling like causing divorces in Las Vegas, like weekly.

She tells you and you're like, that little boy. And she goes, no, he's a man, no. He made cheating sound so cool. Yes! Multiple times. Two confessions? You don't get away, I don't get away with that. Sean doesn't get away with that.

And those weren't his only songs about cheating either. There was implied cheating in other songs. He kept going back to that. It's like the fucking Scorsese and the Mafia where he's like, I got another story to tell here. I mean, my way was cheating himself. Yeah, he's just out there getting it. No, that is, yeah, perfect.

Yeah, Usher, man. Just that he, it really emb, that is, yeah, perfect. Yeah, Usher, man, just that he, it really embodies that time, that style. Great dancer, great singer. Amazing dancer. Like every piece of the puzzle. Yeah, true pop star, true pop star. Yeah, true pop star. Could do it all.

Helped bring us, well, I got, okay, I don't wanna say the name, because. What? There's somebody who might come up later. Sure, sure. Who he was an instrumental part of. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe, might've been the tail end of this decade.

Yeah, I feel like that's, I know, yeah. Sean Jordan, time for your first pick. I'm going, I'm gonna go Nelly. Yeah. Yeah, girl. I'm doing it. Come on. Yeah. I mean. Just sold a gajillion records. That, I'm doing it. Come on. Yeah. I mean. Just sold a gajillion records.

That I just think of the fair, that's what really sold it for me. Cause he, like he's such a good rapper. I feel bad. It's not like he's a pop. He is, you know, I don't want to take away from him. No, now he is a pop star, man. It's just so good and catchy.

And even, you know, just all of it. EI, Country Grammar, Batter Up, I mean all of it. Country Grammar wasn't in 2000 though, right? Yeah it was. Was it 2000? This album came out, yeah, first Country Grammar dropped in 2000. I think you could argue also Nelly kind of brings like a level of melody into hip hop that never, you know what I mean, 50 Cent doesn't really exist like in terms of those melodies without Nelly I think first. Or anyone, like Drake, you know what I mean, everyone's like, oh Drake invented, but Nelly's

like kind of singing on those songs. Who's really singing their own hooks with that like level of commitment who was a rapper before that? I mean you'd hire Nate Dogg, you wouldn't really. Yeah, yeah. You'd hire Nate Dogg. I feel like Nelly made himself a good singer too. He was, like when he first started singing a little bit,

I'm like, yeah, all right. It goes great with the song and then all of a sudden, he's like, that's a pretty decent singer. He was one of his first singles and he's singing the hook on that. That song is so good. That's off the second album, right? Yeah.

Which one's E.I. on? Right, those are on the same one. Rhymes off the second album, right? Yeah, which one's e.i. On right? Those are Right, right there really good album pimp juice Anderson Pax entire career is Here's the most important question quick little mini-draft sweat or suit Ian Sweat David sweat Jeff suit Yeahat. Sweat. Sweat. Sweat. Sweat. Sweat. Sweat. Sweat.

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She falls as finest. Yeah, man, Nelly, bringing the heat to the fair. Still, I mean, Ride With Me came on the other day and it still, it just gets me in such a good mood, that song. It's so nice. Did you say bringing the heat to the fair? Mm-hmm. Is that a term? No, I mean, he just made, like, that was, Nelly,

they were playing Nelly at the fair constantly. Hell yeah, they really were, dude. Yeah. Like on the Tilt-a-Whirl and shit. Yeah. You thought I meant something real? I thought it was like some kind on the tilt to whirl and shit. You thought I meant something real? I thought it was like some kind of homespun South Dakota thing.

You know, I did see Britney Spears play at the fair when I was probably a junior. Wow. That was cool. Was she bringing the heat or no? Yeah, she brought the heat. She brought the heat. She brought the heat.

It felt like a thing where you'd be like, damn, these wings are bringing the heat to the fan. You know, like where, oh, it just means good. Sean's trying out, maybe you're inventing a new. Let's make up slang, this is how it happens. Okay, I don't know if this is how it happens. This Padre shirt's gonna be bringing the heat to the fair when I get to New Orleans.

All right. I don't know if I really like it. I called it a shirt instead of a jersey. God damn it. I screwed up. I fucked up, I'm stupid. All right, Cornell. Cornell Irel Haines is off the board.

Jeff comfy with first and second picks. If he was a baseball player, that's what it would have been. Cornell Haynes, yeah. Anyway. He was a baseball player. Might mean if he was like pro. He almost went pro. I know.

He was a good player. He got his nickname from his mom, whipping his own name now. Brought the heat to the fair. I don't know I am gonna go with kind of a little like obvious but also kind of unorthodox outcast because outcast I think Became such a pop phenomenon that they were argued could argue they were the biggest pop stars of the mid-2000s Especially cuz hey, y'all that's a pop song. Yeah, so Miss Jackson, he's singing. You know, that's a real pop song.

And that also, I think in the same way, whereas I think like in the 2000s they kind of became almost, they were so good that they're like merging hip-hop, soul, blues, like psychedelic kind of pop. I mean, but like yeah, hey y'all again, and Roses is such a great pop song. I mean, like Speakerbox and What Was It, Love Below, those are both pop albums, right? Way You Move is kind of a pop. Love Below certainly is. Love Below certainly is.

Yeah, Way You Move, you're right, yeah. Yeah, so I think like they- Although you did import, who was singing the hook on that, it was Sleepy Brown? Sleepy Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like, yeah, I mean, but Organized Dancing and that's like, you know what I mean, they had the, it was kind of a pop, not a traditional pop group, but I think, I mean but organized dancing and that's like, you know what I mean? They had the it was kind of a pop not some traditional pop group But I think that outcast was you couldn't argue that for 90s outcast because they were so they were like no But I but I think stank on ya Yeah Totally. Um, but yeah, I would say that outcast consider. I mean they were all over MTV. I mean they were sure Oh, yeah yeah so yeah that's true that's interesting that's gonna take umbrage

it's gonna be Ian and I don't think I think you're letting it ride right I can't take any umbrage no umbrage taken with an explanation like that you know I think you're a hundred percent right with And, you know, I think probably just because I'm gonna have to go with Eminem also with My Little Pig. Oh yeah. Because Eminem was just like... King of TRL. He wouldn't like it.

Yeah. Like he might have like wanted to diss every pop star, but it was in the service of him becoming a pop star, you know. The real Slim Shady is, I mean, that could be in sync on that beat. It's such a pop beat. Yeah, and he was like, you know, a lot of the songs he kind of starts singing, it kind of gets kind of bad. I mean, by the...

I don't love the singing. No, no, no. I don't like it at all. No, no, no. But I just, yeah, the Marshall Mathers LP is like kind of the classic pop rap album of that era. And I remember at the time, writing around high school and, or like maybe it was college or whatever, but it was a girl had the N-Sync and the Eminem right next to each other and was going like back and forth from each one. So it just felt very like, that's how I knew, like you're like, oh, you've crossed over to people that have no interest in rap music whatsoever.

Huge crossover, yeah. whatsoever. So huge crossover Yeah, yeah, so weird that like the first song that like my name is I remember specifically being like at my dad's Oh, yeah watching MTV late at night and seeing that video for the first time Never would have guessed the way that panned out. I didn't even really like that song. I like the beat What's crazy about it up to is nobody's been worse for longer. Like, Eminem had like the four year greatest run, like from like, let's say like 98 to like 0203. I mean, 8 Mile, obviously kind of a pop moment, even though those are not like, and has made

terrible music for 22 years. Really, really, really bad. Just awful music, yeah. I will advocate, actually relapse, relapse though, better than its reputation. Like, kind of hilarious. The weird accents, I kind of think they're funny. I'm sorry. That was what I couldn't do where it was just like, I always felt like I was like, is nobody

telling you this? You must think this is really, really funny. Like, what's the movie? The Shadotla, Ja Boing Boing Boing. That CD, like, I couldn't believe that song got made. Like, you're like, what the fuck is going on? It's crazy. Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.

No, no, no, I was just gonna, I still think Eminem is really funny. Like, the, I mean, not his music, but like, you remember when he was he was on that Monday Night Football thing? Yeah, I remember. He was just like, making those weird faces. He was like, oh, sorry. Yeah.

It's amazing. He's good and funny people. He's like, he's a funny dude. Oh yeah, that was a good, yeah. David's a big fan of that line, staring out the window, guess that's why they call it windowpane, from that song with Rihanna.

Oh man. Yeah, this is really bad. Guess that's why they call it windowpane. David says that all the time. Like when the flight's late and he's in the window, forget about it. Forget about it. Worth noting, when Eminem tried to make pop music overtly,

it is the worst pop music ever made. It's so bad. It is so bad. Like he was only good, because right, that's the thing about pop, right? Like the best pop is often not in trying to be pop, it just has all the characteristics of a great pop song and then just crosses over. Right. Like the outcast was I think like that, early Eminem is like that. Right.

Outcast didn't feel like a craven attempt to make a hit song, you know, by like Andre 3000. It just felt like, I want to do like a 60s soul song kind of thing. And he'd written Hey Ya, I think like four or five years earlier. I think it was around the Equimini era and it just didn't work. Like they're like, this doesn't make sense on the album. It would have been very weird after, yeah, Skew It on the Barbie to go into Hey Ya. I would have liked to have been fully would have liked to just have it fully on board. Better with Mamacita.

Yeah, he kind of caught the pass out. If you listen to Mamacita, you're like, you might want to cut this for later reissues. Kind of beat the case there. Yeah. Outcast and Eminem. Two great... I mean, great picks. God, fucking Outcast.

I didn't even have them on my long list. Yeah, they're on my third. I always have like three levels and they're on the third one because I wasn't sure. Yeah, it's a dicey pick but I think it can be argued. I don't think, I think it slices and dices.

This is a dicey show here, brother. With the dice men, they call us the lone dice men. Or if you guys want to start calling us that, that'd be cool. Sean, time for your second pick. I'm gonna go to our neighbors in the north. I'm gonna pick Avril Lavigne. Okay.

Oh. Avril Lavigne, she'll sneak up on you, but Complicated was like 02, skater boy, and she had the run of like, you know, I don't know, six, seven songs, all the way up, like I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend, which I still really, really like that song. Now, which Avril Lavigne?

I mean, the one that you're thinking of. Because she died, right? And then they replaced her with another one? Yeah, oh yeah. That's widely accepted now, right? Yeah, that's, why wouldn't it be? Yes, I'm talking about, can I pick both? Okay, you can get both.

Yeah, let me get both. Tank top, really making that tie famous. Just to- Oh, wearing the tie. Yeah. Yeah. The tie with the tank top. You didn't say skater boy.

I said, didn't I? Skater boy, complicated skater boy, and then all the way up to like, I wanna be your girlfriend. She just had a lot of bangers in there. How old do you think Avril Lavigne is right now? Everybody guess. 36.

39. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, she's not younger than me. She's gotta be younger than me. 42. Hold on, hold on. I'll say 43, just for argument's sake, but I swear. You guys are all way closer than I, she's 40.

She's 40 right now. That's crazy. It makes sense, because she was our age. Yeah. I'm just going off of like, it does. I remember making a girl, this girl specifically asked me if I could burn her a CD with complicated on it. I didn't even know what it was, but I'm like,

of course I can, because I had, I was like, yeah, I can just look it up real quick on Morpheus or whatever and get you that CD She came over but we kissed and then I gave her the CD You have the craziest bats Pretty tight To make it out It wasn't like a fee or anything. I made it sound like that was the fee

No I didn't think There's my kiss There's my kiss You're a huge Sharpie. It is complicated after all. I'm just in the kitchen, my mom's making dinner. I'm like, where's my kiss? Seems you found a skater boy of your own. She also married the lead singer of some 41. They split up and then she married Chad Prograf from Nickelback.

I was at that wedding, by the way. That's insane! What? No, not inside the wedding. So this is partially my wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding.

I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding. I was at the wedding up and then she married Chad Prograf from Nickelback. I was at that wedding by the way.

That's insane! What? No, not inside the wedding. So this is partially what the book is about. For her and her old boy Derek, right? Derek Wimbly, yeah. When I was like 21 to about 24, I was like secretly moonlighting at like various tabloid magazines. Like I was trying to make it as a writer and journalism was already collapsing and I applied at a Craigslist job that turned out to be Star Magazine.

And I worked for various other ones as well. But yeah, and yes, they would send you so they'd be like go today's Avril Lavigne's wedding to the Sum 41 guy and like I would drive like two hours and it would be I like I kind of would scam was my thing because I was like well, this is all a scam, so I'm gonna scam the scammers. So I would then, like, there'd be paparazzi trying to sneak into the wedding and getting hauled out and arrested, and you know, so you would just ask a paparazzi what happened in there, and you would, yeah.

And it was like a total mob scene. She was such a big deal, yeah, exactly. So she was the biggest deal, I mean, obviously, but yeah, the wedding was a total shit show. You think that'd be a, like, imagine how that feels for Derek, Derek Wim. What's the name? Derek Wibbly. Because everybody just said she married the Sum 41 guy all the time.

And then what what Ian was going to continue to say, I think, is that she also married the Nickelback guy. So, Judd Kroger. Wouldn't that be weird, though, to be like, just the guy that I don't know, just be referred to as the Nickelback guy and the Sum 41 guy by everybody? Yeah? No. You know, I wonder.

No, bad point. Yeah. I think she kind of like had to maintain the hierarchy though. She was like, I'm not gonna date anybody better than me. Like I'm gonna make sure. Yeah. We're all Canadian too, right? Like I mean, Nickelback was gigantic,

both here and in They could even come on. Well, you could probably call them pop actually Yeah, oh yeah, they're there on the list It would be weird to just be this on 41 guy. You're 100% right. I'm sorry I like you dry right there, but at least things the one that like no one knows the bassist in some 41 So at least yeah the guy you know Cuz he looked like a little hedgehog. Yeah.

Probably still. Jack Russell Terry. Hedgehog guy. David, time for your second pick. Okay, so my second pick, I wanted to take a rapper who I felt like was like, cause when I think pop star, I think you kind of elevated past rap

to like moms and stuff know who you are. I'm taking Ludacris. Yeah. are. Yeah, I'm taking ludicrous Yeah, yes, great. Yeah, that was where I was gonna go that X it like you felt it bubbling when the Madden rap came out You remember that? 2000 he did the rap goes into your life Crag a helmet in do and then like just like when back for the first time came out and then by the time it was Like area codes in there. He everybody loved ludicrous. No, I saw I saw him open for Janet Jackson like two years ago And it's just like 45 minutes of just hits you're like, it's he's nothing

Yeah, no, he has it. He only has hits like what? Was crazy or not chicken and beer, what was the, word of mouth. Word of mouth was crazy. Chicken and beer was also dope though. He also did this thing where he was like a rapper but it didn't feel like it stepped over into becoming like a Will Smith type of thing. Totally.

Like he was still always a rapper the whole time. You know what I mean? Yeah. But he had this access, like level of accessibility. I'm trying to think if that's the right word, that like, you're like, oh no, this guy's immediately delivered a pop star. And you know what, I have a Luda, so I spent an entire day shadowing him for like an LA Times story.

I want to say this is like 2009. Oh, nice. Like I was expecting Luda to be how he is on record, which is like incredibly captivating. Like every, and he was the most boring person I've, really nice, like a really nice gentlemanly guy, but so boring and bland and just like, just out in the business.

Yeah, no, like not funny at all. And like, not animated. More of the Fast and the Furious version and not the rapper version. Yeah, he like, yeah, he just wanted to like, we go to dinner and he's like hanging out with like a, like a couple college kids kids a couple white college kids I'm like what are you doing?

Like we're eating outside a Staples Center at a chain restaurant with like a couple of college kids then like he's about to play at Staples I think he was like opening for like maybe the black eyed peas or something and he's just like sitting in his trailer watching Kevin Hart Dogs that are rowdier than Rod Piper My videos are weird. You're like, what about the junkyard dogs that are rowdier than Rod Piper? Yeah, exactly. It was so weird. Where's that big shoe?

Where's your big shoe? They're in a different area, Coe, David. Come on. Totally. Yeah, the videos were iconic, too. His videos were great. They were. They were.

He just really... So good. And everybody loved him. And he's another guy who you think about just, that was that time, man. He had songs that were like, he had that time, man. He had, I mean, he had songs that were like, they had very graphic sex songs. He had violent songs, but all of them felt

like Saturday morning cartoons. It all felt like, like, I- Is that voice? He has such a fun voice. I think it is the voice. Cause he was on the radio before, right? He was Chris Lovelova. Yeah, like he just, yeah, he was just, he was that guy. There's, you love hearing him say stuff.

All time great 16 bar cameo rapper too. Like if you go to guest verses, he killed everyone. Holiday Inn? Fuck it. What's the one? Drop Kaboom! One Minute Man, One Minute Man. Ooh.

Yeah. He's good on One Minute Man. Yeah. Kaboom. Yeah. Yeah. So many, so many people. I remember my friend's mom singing that. Baby rub all your nipples.

Yo, this guy's going crazy. I forgot about that. Oh, that was tight. It's funny, too. Coming up shorter than five Danny DeVito. Yeah, yeah, he was funny. He's great. Yeah Yeah, word of mouth is like that album. I played that shit out And you gotta think that was around a lot of great albums came out right in that era and word of mouth still holds

Up dude that one was in the disc man. Yeah Smaller envelope nothing big not the big CD wallet. The intimate one. Oh, the one you took in the car. The clutch one. That you could take in someone else's car if you needed to. You're like, I'll grab the Choice Nugs.

Yeah, yeah, it's a choice. We'll go ahead and get Choice Nugs. This isn't a buffet situation. All right, time for my second and third. I have to do it for, just the for this the synchronicity Kind of take JT taking Justin Timberlake now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you took Brittany. You gotta take Justin I was always hated him We've evolved past it because Justin Bieber came along like you're like, yeah, that is what I wanted from Justin Timberlake

I wish I could I wish I could say I was as cool as you. Until I found out he was a dickhead. Like I just recently in the, lately where you're like, oh no, he, he handled a lot of things very poorly. The music I've loved since day one of NCA. I love what he puts out. You're also a big Trolls fan, right? Big Trolls. I mean, I've seen it so many times with Maxine. Yeah. You're kidding, but I have seen it so many times with Maxine. Yeah.

You're kidding, but I have seen it a ton. That's true, yeah. I don't love it, but I think his music is gold. Seniorita is one of my favorite songs. He's such a, like an early-os, like dipshit looking dude when you look back at like the denim suits and the bandanas and like him being way too full of himself. The music I love. The music, I love.

You get, I mean, you get some amazing Neptune's beats with this, you get some obviously amazing Timbaland beats with this, like he worked with incredibly, incredibly talented people. There was a period there, like, where he was probably like one of America's three favorite people. For sure. Yeah When he started doing the SNL stuff, it was like him and Ellen that period

Yeah, it was him and Ellen and like two people have these like where it's like it's always too good to be true, right? I've never seen him in the same room together Kind of similar stories He kind of got lucky too I mean like because like those songs that Pharrell wrote were from Michael Jackson and then Michael Jackson passed and then Justin Timberlake's like I'll take him. You know and yeah all these hits. I mean those are great hits I just I just always found him like I thought he was my nemesis in my delusional fantasy world Oh man. I was like you're better at basketball than him I bet too

Yeah, like dude, what's wrong with you? He sucks as a kisser. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. So, I mean, he like, in the 2000s, in this decade, we got justified, we got future sex love sounds. Those are two for

me. I mean, Cry Me A River is so... But he did Britney so dirty. I just like, that was so dirty. I know he did. So dirty. I know. When I was a kid, I didn that he did great. He did Britney so dirty. I just like I know So no when I was a kid I didn't I didn't think of that and then you all these interviews like that what hot 104 the interview where they're like Hey, man down to brass tacks. Did you fuck her and like that's that's crazy that you guys are talking like that So, you know, he was an asshole. I did Janet dirty in that same He did extremely dirty. Yes, not taking them yes. I'm not taking the morals of the man,

I'm just taking the pure pop. When we draft morals, you better not. The dirty pop. The dirty pop, yeah. Taking the dirty pop. Another song that Justin Timberlake sang on was Where Is the Love? The collaboration with my third pick,

my fellow Atwater Village neighbors, the Black Eyed Peas. They all live together still. And Will.i.am's spaceship. I am the dead guy from the Black Eyed Peas. He looks like a mummy. This is a, they look like, there's like two different dead-looking guys in that band and then neither of them referred to it. What a crazy rebrand as a band.

I don't think I've seen that. They played my high school like after prom. The joints the jams era. Yeah behind the front I love that album. Great album. Yeah, totally. Love that first album. It was such a whirlwind because I got into them. They were probably one of the first. I guess I was in middle school or high school.

I think my older sister's cool friend told me about like you should check out this Black Eyed Peas album because they were in like they were doing like underground show. They were part of the underground rap so will I am was known as the greatest freestyler in LA and he was he would freestyle at a night that like David Faustino from Bared with Children Through called Ballistics and I think it was at the Whiskey or the Roxy right and so well I am a crazy crazy So Will.i.am was a little crazier. Is this what it's like to have grown up in L.A.? My God. Yeah, yeah. And then Eazy E signed him. Eazy E signed him.

Under the name At Band Clan. So when I was like in junior high, like at bank, like there were people at my school that like were on the Ruthless Records street team. And so you would see everyone had an At Band Clan sticker. And like, but they couldn't get their album put out. They just had demos. And yeah. And then they became the Black Eyed Peas

once they left Ruthless Records after EZ died. The Black Eyed Peas were on Ruthless Records. Yeah, under the name, yeah, at Band Clan. I went to like a concert right after 9-11, like pretty close after 9-11 where the Black Eyed Peas were in Portland. And I think like, I think there was like a hip hop thing, like convention or something like that.

There was like a B-boy thing happening in Portland. So all these like break dancers were there. And they did like, so I was at a Black Eyed Peas concert and they were like, they were performing. There were all these break dancers. I was like, this is awesome. And then like later that year, Fergie. It was like that hard of a I remember seeing Fergie to feel like wait. This is the this is the break dancers

Yeah to me like if you seen Twin Peaks the return when like the nuclear bomb goes off and the bugs are eating That's like the black eyed peas moment for With great power. I mean, it blew up. It bought them all, especially Will.I.Am. It's insane cars and huge houses. But like... No, I'm pretty sure he owns a condo in the future.

Yeah. I mean, he lives in fucking Tomorrowland. But yeah, they went, and then they were like, so pop pop and really like were a huge part of that decade Oh, yeah They have a time for your third pick Okay, so this album dropped late it dropped in 08 but I would argue that where it went and how big it was and how it like Everything kind of changed after that. Can I take Gaga?

Yeah Like everything kind of changed after that. Can I take Gaga? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Because that album hit hard. It hit so it was like it felt like a tone shift. What's that? What am I? What are the songs?

What am I completely black and out? Poker face. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fame and Alejandra, like bad romance, telephone.

Those are huge. It was kind of interesting too, because she had kind of hip-hop crossover at the time too Which she did the song with wall a she did song is so good. He did a poker face version Yeah, I was a good that was a song Yeah, I make a say oh But yeah, it just felt like that was like I remember when that happened, you kind of felt like you were like, oh, this is like a new, this is a new era starting. Yeah.

Art, it was, we had been in such pure pop for a long time that like when somebody came around doing art pop, it was like, oh, this is like a feels very, it felt like it had artistic integrity, even though the music was the same kind of like infectious. Was it like a like a Madonna kind of where you're like oh look at this like it just like shaking things up. Yeah so Madonna, Madonna hated her which I thought was always kind of funny because Madonna thought she was kind of Surprise, surprise.

Imitator and she liked uh she liked yeah she liked she actually loved Britney. Britney was like her favorite and uh Hated Gaga. Yeah. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

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So maybe that's what it takes to become Lady Gaga. It would be so wild to be putting on that show for 20 people. Was she wearing the meat dress then? No meat dress, yeah. She was in it. It was halal guys. Was she wearing the meat dress then? No meat dress. Yeah, he was. He was halal. It was halal guys. It was on the budget.

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Thanks. Sean, time for your third pick. All right, I gotta go. A few songs just ruled the early O's for me out of this gentleman. I'm gonna throw Shaggy out there. That's okay. We don't like it?

I feel like he had, it wasn't me, which is amazing. You really bring him up a lot on this podcast? You really do. A lot more than I think he probably deserves. I'm child here riding for Shaggy. You are. He ruled the radio for a couple, a few years. Angel and it wasn't me.

Yes, they did. Yes, they did. They were crazy popular. All right. Does it count? Yeah, it counts for sure. It counts. All right.

Early 2000s. Yeah, wasn't there another one? It wasn't me, Angel. It was Mr. Boombastic in 1995. That was a banger. Mr. Boombastic. No, that was a banger, that was a banger. Mr. Boombastic was in the 90s. That was like a bounty killer hip hop crossover era. Early Shaggy.

But that like, that Love Me Love Me song, right? Love Me Love Me Love Me. Yes, Sessage Machine. I love that song. That might have been like late 90s too. But yeah, I just remember it wasn't me and Angel being all over the radio. Maybe it feels like they were longer because it was so long ago, but it just felt like to me.

Well, he never left your... No, still, they still... Your hard disk, man. Love Me, Love Me, can still get it. Well, what you want is a fantastic romantic lover. He did a song with Olly G in 2002. See, there we go, another titan of the pop world. Also, his son kind of a decent SoundCloud rapper named Rob Banks.

Really? That's a good name. Yeah, Rob Banks. Yeah, two B's for extra bank robbing. Interesting. Damn, he fell off so hard. I'm looking at it now. It's the worst cover-up ever.

He didn't strike, like, wasn't me. Not exactly, you know, leaving much room in the imagination. Can I tell you, I was in a taxi one one time and the taxi driver really broke it down in a Way, I can't I can't replace but me it was me and somebody and we were like I was like this song is crazy And the taxi driver was like man. Sometimes that's the only way you could get out of it What are you gonna do? It wasn't me. You know, you know, it wasn't me I'm trying to give you the dignity of joining me in this lie Just we'll just tell her wasn't you shit, you're right

He went from, so his- It's where Usher got it from. His album Lucky Day sold 352,000 copies, certified gold, although considered a disappointment on the heels of Hotshot. And then he put out an album on Geffen that only sold 40,000 copies. He like really fell off, dude.

What a crazy. What a tough pill to swallow. Poor guy. Yeah. Jeff, tell me your third and fourth picks. I've been thinking about him a lot because I saw him at Coachella, but a man who defined the 2000s actually, the sound of pop and everything thereafter, a little man named Teddy Payne, T-Payne. Come on. From Florida. Come on, I'm sprung. Dude, like in the way that Ludacris has nothing but hits, like you watch a 45 minute set of

T-Payne and you're like nothing but. Also kind of a just deceptively weird dude. Like I think everyone's like kind of like, oh, he's this top hat kind of clownish kind of guy, but like kind of bizarre. Like once I interviewed him, he started talking about taking to ayahuasca and like having weird, like sexual liaisons with like his wife on Iowa. It was very weird. I saw him once perform, I think with Wayne around away.

He brought out a stripping. Wayne era? Yeah. Yeah. And he brought out a stripping Britney Spears dwarf, which I was like on a lot of edibles at the time. And I was like, well, I'm sold on T-Pain. He's clearly got a streak of genius and you never and also anticipated the sound of the

future. I mean, what is the kind of sad robot of the next decade without T-Pain? Yeah. And he and he did the work. Have you ever heard him talk about how many different programs he went through trying to find the auto tune sound? Because he had heard it in, was it Love After Love? Was it the Cher song? Sure, yeah. He had heard it in some song and then he said he just went and bought all the cracked software he could and just went through every effect from once until he got there.

Yeah, and he produced all those songs too, which people don't know. I mean, it's kind of, he wrote and produced also. And another fun fact, he produced the song for Britney Spears, How Does Ice off the Blackout album, which is also a banger by Britney. So he, what his hand was kind of in everything, you know, obviously the stuff with Kanye, it was actually really funny. Another thing too is he was, you know, you remember that article where I got Kanye would make, have everyone make fun of T Payne in the studio which was the first sign that things were gonna go wrong for him

But yeah, he would insist upon calling auto-tune the T pain effect and like so if you interviewed him You had to refer to auto-tune as the T pain effect My girls like oh, I like you'd walk out of the heat time people were so mean to him like he talked about how much That like bummed him out. He also said- I sure took him on a plane and told him you kind of ruined music. Yeah. It's fucked up.

Yeah, Death of Autotune by Jay-Z, like he got a bad rap. Which did not work, by the way. No, it didn't. That's what I'm saying. He didn't kill it. And I love Jay-Z, that song fucking sucks. Wait, am I, okay, am I crazy?

I didn't know Kanye said that. Didn't Kanye use a ton of autotune? He worked with him and then like decided he hated T-Pain and thought he was a moron and then made 808s and Heartbreak So we had that great song Good Life together. That's all that spun his head. That song is amazing. Yeah. Still play it. I don't care. Interesting.

I mean, I remember, do you still have that joke? If he buys one bagel, he's back. Oh yeah, where they're not gonna take a lot to forgive him? Yeah. Not gonna take a lot to forgive him? Yeah. Not gonna take a lot to win me back. It's so good if he buys one bagel. It's like I have like a two week period where I can't listen to Kanye after each anti-Semitic thing. And then it just kinda creeps me.

I don't know, the cousins thing is the weirdest. Yeah, this was a tough week. We can't even talk about this. Wait, I don't even know what happened this week. What? Oh, shit. Him and Azalea Banks? Are you kidding? Are you just... I'm not kidding.

I don't know how to really explain it. Can we not talk about it on here? I mean, maybe just Google Kanye's cousin tweet. Maybe take a break and just, yeah, like, cousins. And then Azalea Banks goes nuts on him. Or just, she just goes nuts. That's what she does. Look at your face.

This is what I was trying to tell Kyle about the other day. And he was like, what? When you look at close up of his face. I never get to see somebody see it for the first time. That was crazy. I had no idea. Oh my God. You were just having a good week.

I was just having a good week. I got my kid, you know, I guess. I was going to listen to this a little bit. Wow. This might be a month on par. I kind of take a month. You just go out, Dana. OK, we can't we can't go on our walk. Oh Man that was funny boy. Oh boy. Okay. All right. All right complicated, man He painted a great pic and

Your fourth picture. Holy cow, you know, it seems a little too easy because I'm surprised she's left on the board at this point, but you kind of have to take Beyonce, right? Like, you have to have obviously dangerously in love, crazy in love, and then I don't know if it technically counts because of the Destiny's Child work, but I mean, I was a big Destiny's Child fan. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, dude. Yeah. Both iterations. I liked them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Both iterations. I liked them with five, I liked them with three. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and just like also, I mean I think actually I would argue that Beyonce's best

work is probably in the 2010s, but she kind of lays the groundwork in the 2000s. But you could argue this decade. Yeah, you definitely could argue. You could have a compelling argument that this decade is, if you like that That's like it's definite era of Beyonce with yeah fucking Bonnie Bonnie and Clyde was a great song down It's a Jay-Z or like his credited, but I mean she was great on that and kind of like It's what Laura walked down the aisle to so yeah, she did a great song with Cameron Where you know he's like I had the thing singing like a thing about selling crack

So it's a it was a good time. She was really running the gamut of the 2000s because it was that she kind of hadn't defined herself into what she kind of, obviously the stuff in the 2010s is great, but it can, and some of the early stuff can be a little adult contemporary, but I really liked the RN. I mean, and it just Destiny's Child, I think was really, they were obviously huge, but I think maybe the press didn't cover them the way

because there was obviously like a racial maybe the press didn't cover them the way because there was obviously Like a racial thing where they didn't get like the coverage of say the Spice Girls, but they were right such a huge group and so influential and You know, obviously you have a song like single ladies with single ladies Oh, what was that? I think ladies was after that it was after that what decade 2000s was a bidet Dangerously in love and Sasha Fierce. Yeah. Dangerously in Love, I love that song.

Yeah, dude. I love that song. Yeah. Oh, Baby Boy, also an amazing song. Yeah, just going through it right now. Wow, Nat, this connects back to my jazz obsession. Nat Adderley Jr., the son of Nat Adderley, nephew of Cannonball Adderley,

was a producer. Yeah, that's right. One of the producers of Dangerously in Love. Family business. Yeah. No, actually, Single Ladies, 2008. 2008? Okay, okay. Put your hands up. She was really killing it. Yeah. So, gotta go with Beyonce. I can't believe it went this long. That is a testament to her. Like she seems kind of like from every decade she's been a part of.

Because I feel like she's from in the 90s too. She was. It was the 90s, like the late 90s. She's exactly the same age as Britney. And like those, if you look back at the history of pop music of the last quarter century, those kind of were the two and Britney, just her run kind of, she still had some number one hits actually in the 2010s, like, you know, off those albums, but Beyonce is still,

arguably bigger than she's ever been. I don't know if there's ever been a run like that in pop history. No, where she just keeps getting, there isn't a flop, right? I mean, not really. You mean like an album that like, not really. The Beyonce self-titled from 2014 is incredible. Yeah, that album is so good. So good Yeah, and lemonade is so good, too What's that song called Drunk in Love written by future

Terrible Oh, that makes a lot of sense. It's awesome. A terrible Jay-Z verse, by the way. One of the worst. Oh, yeah. Not a good verse. Just don't talk about it. It was there with Monster as far as I'm concerned. What do you got going on, bro? Real questionable work.

Partition, dude. That song Partition? He does have a bad verse in Monster, you're right. Kind of a good one. I never thought about it. Two weeks at the end of October every year. Yeah, that's right. He just names Monsters.

Monsters, scary. Ah! You're like, what should I dress up as for Halloween? Godzilla. Swamp things. What do all these things have in common? Sean Jordan, time for you fourth pick. We're never gonna have a draft again

where I get this chance. Are you saying Tombstone? I didn't win, yeah, Tombstone. I'm gonna get two Nellies, Nellie Furtado. I'm never gonna get to have two Nellies on the list for any reason. And Nellie Furtado, since I'm saying it, she wasn't like in my top top,

but I was just looking and she had a ton wasn't like in my top top, but I was just looking and she had a ton of hits like in the mids, right? Like the mid-os, that's when like Permiscus Girl and all that came out. I love that song. Yeah, yeah. Turn Off Like A Bird? Turn Off Like A Bird came out early, wasn't it?

Like A Bird was 2000. Yeah, so I still get that too. Turn Off The Light was 2000. Follow me, follow me, follow me, dum, dum, dum, dum. She's great, man. She had a- Another Canadian. Holy cow.

Verse on, or there was a version of a song she did with Missy Elliott. Oh, God. She had a verse on, hold on. I like the song- Hit your freak on. Oh, yeah. I like the song she did where Justin Timberlake, it was like that beef song that Timberland made with all them. We're like Justin Timberlake was talking to Prince and Timberland

was talking to Scott Storch and Nelly Furtado was, you know, you know, what I'm talking about? What song is that? You know, we're at the real nice. Yeah, I do. And Justin was talking to Prince because Prince said sexy never left. And Justin was like, Sexy never left. And Justin was like, since Sexy never left, then why is everybody on my dick?

Yes. I forgot about that. And then Timbaland said, you're just a piano man to Scott Storch. I forgot who Nellie Furtado was talking to. Okay, so like, first time, I didn't get when you were first talking. Like, they don't say that in the song. It's just implied. But that's, it's like known.

Yeah. When you were first talking, they don't say that in the song. It's just implied. It's like known. Yeah. Also my favorite Nelly Furtado, she had one of the great odd celebrity couples. I don't know if she's still with him, but she was, I think she has a child with Haji Beats from Odd Future. Hell yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's great. Let's go. I love that. Yeah, just like, I want you to work. That's what I've been shouting about for nine years. That's awesome. Yeah. I did not know that. That's amazing. Yeah, I just like, I want you two to work. That's what I've been shouting about for nine years. That's awesome. I did not know that. That's amazing.

Amazing. That's right. Uh, yeah, Nellie Ferdano. She ripped. She, like, peak, like, a tall peak. Not a big range of mountains, but a very tall peak in that decade. Uh, David, time for your fourth pick. Okay, so,

this pick is not me personally, but this is me acknowledging what the moment was in the time. I feel like you had to take somebody from that Disney music, like all those kids who were listening to that at that time. So I'm taking Miley. OK, yeah, good. Yeah. Was that good thousands? Yeah, no, I I think I mean, I just I'm taking Miley. Okay, yeah. Yeah, no, I I think I mean I just I'm trying to see when Miley's like

Wait, when there's like party in the USA came out like oh nine or something like that I think I was twice. I feel might have been like 2012. Was it no Party the USA was No, it was before I started stand-up. It was like oh, it was like oh wait from what I'm seeing So yeah, yeah, you're right in the USA. Oh wait. Yeah, like all that Hannah Montana stuff She did was he I didn't listen to it listen, but it was like You're saying it a lot more than someone who... Zach's in there. What about the Tuscan, dude? The Tuscan's right. He's like, I'm gonna go listen to it outside.

Zach just came out to be like, you were listening to it in the shower. You be honest with your friends. But it is like, that set the groundwork for people who went on to be like crazy pops. It's like, it was huge. It was just, I wasn't a kid. You performed for Queen Elizabeth the second.

Ken from Firm, Miley was huge for us. Yeah, it was just, I wasn't a kid. See, Isaac says- He performed for Queen Elizabeth II. Ken from Firm, Miley was huge for us. Yeah, it was like, it was not for us, but it was like a major movement. Yeah. All right? I could probably be convinced that it was all dope. I just never really listened to it, but I- I like Party in the USA.

I love that song. I didn't like it at the time, I like it now. I like when it came out. They played it on the hip hop station, I did not know it was Miley Cyrus. I remember driving home from work like, what is this? Why, because she says Jay-Z in it, they're like, well, that's a goddamn rap song. I'm not the play of my song.

Yeah, that thing, that's a wedding staple. Yeah. Also, it seems like Girl Talk got his hands on it at some point. Am I making that up? Like, was that not's a wedding staple. Yeah. It is also seems like Girl Talk got his hands on it at some point. Am I making that up? Like, was that not in a Girl Talk album? He put his hands on everything.

That feels right. That feels right, yeah. Yeah. God damn snake in the grass. How did he make money off of that? It's crazy that that happened. Shout out to Pittsburgh. Yeah.

He toured. He probably didn't make any money off the sales. Yeah, he played Coachella once, I remember. You know. I would have gone to a Girl Talk concert. He started making beats, too. I went to a stuff club once. He was a good producer, yeah.

Not saying I wouldn't. I'm just saying it's crazy that you can make money with all other people's stuff. But what he did was an art of its... I'm actually... You know how that works. Like, he chopped that shit up in a way that was like... Became... Not bigger, but like, it's own thing. It was that mashup era, right, where you have like Danger Mouse doing it, and Diplo was doing a lot of the holotronics.

It was very like 2006, 2007. Yeah, it's like, it does not, I don't think translate to like if you were like 25 now, you'd be like, uh. It might not work. Was it legal? Or was it still like a gray area still? It's on Spotify now, so they figured it out Really? Yeah, it's on Spotify. Yeah, I didn't know that oh

I'm excited. I'm excited for the rest of the day max so they somehow figured out they must have like that's fun pity the pity the lawyer who had to figure that out, but I Don't know I guess I think he was rewarded handsomely but I don't know I guess I think he was rewarded handsomely I think he probably was also since we're talking about things available on Spotify now the Doobie brothers are getting one one thousandth of a penny every time uh time for my oh fourth and final picks were there already okay with my fourth pick I have to take someone who is very important to

me in my junior senior year of high school which was the beginning of that Whenever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, whenever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever,

whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, wherever, whenever, wherever, she had whenever, wherever, hips don't lie, underneath your clothes. She was fucking killing it. That objection, that tango song.

She was showing up in other people's songs. She was just everywhere. She was a new thing. She was exciting. She still got it. She still got it going. The longevity I did not see coming. One of the first real big female Latin pop stars ever too in America.

Yeah. If you think about it. I mean it was like what you had the Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin boom, but like no female pop stars in there. Selena. Yeah. Yeah. She, I had a big crush on her. She rules.

She also has a fun. You're the one. I'm the guy. She has a fun like post-career weirdness going on with her post like peak weirdness. So I'm talking Shakira. And then with my final pick here, interesting. I'm gonna go Gwen Stefani.

Okay. Go back. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Another person who now looking back, you're like, well, she probably shouldn't have performed with Harajuku girls behind her like that. That was maybe a little weird.

Maybe doing quite a bit of cultural appropriation, but at the time it was hitting pretty hard. That Akon song, man, Sweet Escape, right? But at the time it was hitting pretty hard that a con song man Sweet escape, right? Oh That song's great Yeah, her and Eve had that song that let me blow your mind great song holla back girl that Southside song with Moby She was working with much. She kind of worked with everybody. She was- she's weird, man. Yeah, great. I mean, dude, I saw No Doubt last year at Coachella.

Incredible performer. She's so good. She's an amazing performer. No Doubt was great. That's not No Doubt. It was late 90s at a Warped tour before they were like No Doubt. I mean, they were No Doubt, but you know what I mean? They were big and it was fun.

Braces, purple hair. She was on that Lady Marmalade in the- Oh, yes. That song. I forgot about that song. Man, Maya. She was on that lady marmalade in the yes Maya come back Maya she never left back. I know but like put something. Maybe take a little look at a king magazine If I were a Rich Man. She's weird. She's another...

I think I had a red pill then, like a weird... She's like a very religious, I think, now. Oh, her Blake Shelton? Something, yeah. It's like a... That's a wild situation. How did that If I Were a Rich Man thing happen? Crazy. Like, who wrote that song?

I think maybe Jay-Z's Hard Knock Life came out and people took all the wrong lessons from it. She's like, wait. They're like, Broadway musicals are back, baby. Because she also did a lonely goat herd. She did from the Sound of Music, she did like a lonely goat herd, like either sample or interpolation or something like that.

That high on the hill of the lonely goat herd, your lady, your lady, your lady, she like did a version of that song. She's weird. I mean, they're catchy, you know, it's a catchy rhythm or whatever. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not where you would traditionally, she was strip mining some pretty crazy stuff.

Yeah, you gotta go find it sometimes, you know? She went and found it, man. Wind it up, that was the name of the song. I'm gonna listen to Gwen Stefani after this. I'm gonna listen to Girl Talk after this. I know, babe. You'll hear some Gwen Stefani in there. I will. David, time for your final pick. Oh, it is my pick? Yeah, that's right. Oh yes, Rihanna. I can't believe I got it.

Yeah, yeah. Great choice. For whatever reason, she's great, she's awesome. It's just never hit for me. Really? Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm reason, she's great, she's awesome. It's just never hit for me. Really? Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird, I'm like, I like a few of the songs, but it's, I've also never tried. It's just one, you know how you have those pop culture things where you're like, I've just never gone to that store in the mall for some reason? Yeah, definitely.

That's one for me and I can't, but even, but I'm like, everything I've heard, I fucking love. It's great. The Anti is kind of a classic. That album is just like, everything is really good. Yeah, man. I was in from Ponder Replay, to be completely honest. Yeah, was that in the O's? It was, right?

Yeah, that was the first one. Yeah, it's early. And then Umbrella, that was, I mean, that song's crazy good. It just came on yesterday on the radio. So, so catchy. I do love both those songs. Maybe I do like Rihanna.

I think you probably do like Rihanna, man. I haven't gone in anti, like that kind of thing. I haven't dove in on that level, like on the later stuff where people are like, this is really, really good and not just really good pop. She did an interesting job, I think, of bridging the kind of dance hall stuff of like a Sean Paul of a Shaggy

Of a Shaggy, if you will, with kind of mainstream pop. When it started it was very much that, right? Like it felt like a Sean Kingston offshoot kind of a But then she sort of grew into her own on like Good Girl Gone Bad And it yeah, I love that shit man. And definitely one of the coolest pop stars ever, like you know what I mean? It's done! She makes me feel like a bad bitch. Listen to Yeah, she makes me feel like a bad bitch listen to me feel like a bad bitch getting banned from Instagram every other week This is smoke smoke smoking weed Like walking out of restaurants with wine glasses that don't belong to her

Jet-ski smoking a blunt and Barbados like whoa with just enough boob to get banned from Instagram She's like oh, yeah first pop star. I seen her nipples Yeah, she made people dip mangoes in the ocean and eat it. That's how much of an influence she has She's yeah, Rihanna do it. Yeah of pop stars. I feel like she's the Beatles Rolling Stones is her and Beyonce You know, there's like which one, you know says more it says something about you and where you're at in your life and one you know says more it says something about you and where you're at in your life and David I'm really glad you got Rihanna so you can at least get one half of the song love the way you lie Dude I saw them both on tour I've never seen two people with less chemistry

Jacket like in a mental hospital and Rihanna's like a fuck like so confused what's going on They've done it like skippity-dippity, rap you hate you, you're a bitty I haven't seen Eminem have a chemistry with a lot of women no Just Mariah who could have been on this list And then that was weird to it. You're like you're still talking about Mariah. It's been 15 years It's been 15 years It's very like Wayne's world get a go over it go out with somebody else, you know, it's like bizarre Rihanna excellent pick Sean Jordan. Can I pick fallout boy? Yeah, I think so. Are they?

Yeah, yeah, I just love fall Out Boy. I always liked them. Didn't admit it right away, cause nobody else around me would admit that they're fantastic and all those songs knocked. And I still like them to this day and I still listen to those songs a lot. Your first entree into Fall Out Boy was the hats, right? You saw it on mute and you were like,

how can I get down with these hats? What are these god damn geniuses doing in this video? I don't need to hear it. Whatever it is, I'm in. How can I get myself a beanie with a brim on it, dude? That was what you were seeing. One of my favorite Los, shut up. One of my favorite Los Angeles memories is driving down,

what's the improv on? What street's the improv on? Melrose. Melrose, me, you and Shane driving down Melrose, screaming Fallout Boy out of your bumperless Prius on the way to some show at the improv. It was like, it just, I think I get happy every time I think about that.

And so yeah, I just, I like me some Fallout Boy. And he's an amazing singer. He has an amazing voice. Patrick Stump, is that right? Stop. Yeah. Stop. Stop. And listen, I didn't win the draft, but some people are gonna ride with me, so.

I love that one. Weird group too, where it's kind of one of those like situations where the bassist, or like Pete Wentz is the most famous member, but Patrick Stump, you always forget his second name. Because he married Ashley Simpson. And because he was the one handsome guy in the band, and they were like, you know, I think turned lead with that. Yeah. That's, that's why. And because he was the one handsome guy in the band. And they were like, you know, turning the lead with that.

Yeah. That's a pretty good reason. The other three guys look like they're painting Warhammer figurines in the back of a Magic the Gathering shop. Like, that's, and then there's Pete Wentz, who's like, pretty handsome. You know? Like, not even like crazy handsome. It's like The Grateful Dead, where it's like the ugliest band of all time.

And they're like, yeah, Bob Weir's kind of good looking, I guess. You're like, I guess in that context he is. Yeah, but it's like the best situation, because everyone's like, oh, I guess you. I bathe once a week, I'm good. Yeah, totally. Jeff, time for your final pick, the final pick of the draft. All right, you know, I think I have done too many rappers, but I just think he cannot be left off the board,

is just 50. You know, you just can't leave him off the board. It kind of defined the rap crossover into pop music. Yeah. Like there was this melody. It felt like rap was going into a place where we were all gonna have a fun, happy time, and he was like, skrt, wait.

Yeah. Totally. Hold up a second. Yeah, and I think mirrors the like, wait, hold up a second. Yeah. And I think mirrors the evolution, right. Of the times, because like he comes out in the nineties with like how to rob, which is like a vicious song that gets, and probably ends up partially contributing to getting him shot.

And then he comes back with like some really great mixtapes, which are not pop. And then all of a sudden the Dre thing happens. The biggest pop star there. And then you, I think, and also happens Yeah, the biggest pop star there and then you I think and also obviously apart We didn't include him probably for obvious reasons, but like the Kanye feud That was kind of a moment where it shifted a different era, but like oh three to seven is sort of the 50 era Yeah, how was that? So can't not include him

When was wankster such a fucking huge phenomenon wankster. Such a fucking huge phenomenon. Wankster, yeah, off the eight miles. He was the Terminator. Yeah, he was like the Terminator. He destroyed people. I mean, Ja Rule, we could have had like destroyed Ja Rule's career. Man, I only think about Ja Rule in the context. And Ja Rule has to be a wider catalog.

Yeah. The one album is good. And then the rest of the comic. Yeah, a couple. Yeah, a couple here and there, but. In the Club is probably the song I've heard other people listening to the most. I mean, In the Club is maybe the nastiest beat. Yeah, it is. That is, the first time you heard that, you were like, what the fuck?

I did that frown thing, like, uh-oh. You were like, yeah. Jay-Z and the studio was in the... It's nasty. It became the new happy birthday for four years. Yeah. It was a cold-blooded beat, man. That shit was nuts.

But that bom bom. You would hear it coming out of cars. It was immediately recognizable. Yeah. I mean, 21Quest is PIMP. He was doing things where he took all the tropes of the 90s and Somehow made them pop music and they were accessible and and still like kind of violent and terrifying Yeah, you know he was

Like the 2000s. Yeah. Yeah, I'm into having was a lie. That guy knows what he looks. That was more of a, I love you like a fat kid loves cake. You know my style and I think I make him smile. But whatever, teach them. We all had our access points. That's what makes a great pop star. Isaac, do you have a pick buddy? Yeah, I'm gonna take somebody whose existence

I was not very familiar with until about six months ago. Robbie Williams. You saw the movie on the plane too? Better Man? Oh, I saw it in theaters. Oh, I watched it on the plane a couple weeks ago. And I loved it so much, I've recently rewatched it on Paramount+.

Good plug, good plug, we are sponsored by Paramount+. We sure are. It's an amazing movie and also his his music not the greatest But him as a figure very compelling. There's some there's some Angels, there's some skips in there. Yeah, I knew a girl in like junior high school I remember saying something about Robbie Williams. I remember thinking, nobody thinks you're cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you listen to European pop?

What are you talking about? Well, I was on holiday. I just listened to a lot of Robbie Williams. Michael, the University of Cambridge. Oh, a whole Aero Postal shirt, shut up. Oh. Ha, ha, ha, ha! Ha!

That's a direct hit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. To recap the picks, I went first. I took Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas,

Shakira and Gwen Stefani. David, you went second. You took Usher, Luda, Gaga, Miley Cyrus and Rihanna. Sean, you went third. You took Nellie, Avril Lavigne, Shaggy. Shaggy. Shaggy made it. Shaggy. You took Sting's duet partner, Shaggy, Nellie Avril Lavigne shaggy shaggy shaggy you took stings duet partner shaggy Nellie Furtado and fallout boy Jeff you went last you took outcast Eminem T pain Beyonce and 50 cent

Excellent picks you know who we I mean we left what a decade for pop yeah Kelly Clarkson Yeah, Kelly Clarkson Alia Alia on the table. Yeah, she got like a year or two Missy we love missy. Yeah Little Wayne with Lincoln Park count Yeah, I was wondering about Lincoln Park You know who else I was wondering and I didn't want to get made fun of and I should just brought it up Evanescence I was thinking about yeah, that because it wasn't a long time but that one thing Yeah

We're an Olympus get we're a little more 90s right a little more than corn would have made this cuz like this had like They had like break stuff Alicia Keys. Yeah, you know Michelle branch White house, you know wine house. Yeah And Nora Jones or Jones love Nora Jones. Love Nora Jones. If you wanted to call her a pop star. She was one of the, she was like soul diamond that decade. And uh, we got, we got a, sorry to, but Art Kelly, Horrible Guy, but kinda had some of the best pop songs of the era. Everybody loves the remix to Ignition. Everybody. It was a defining pop star of the era that kind of got deservedly

memory hold, you know? What about Ashanti? Yeah, Ashanti was a girl. Oh, sure. See my days are cold without you. I love that song. I love that song. Jennifer Lopez, John Rool. Because Ciara is so indi- she's like, that time to me is so tied to Ciara. Oh yeah, definitely. That song with May You Rest In Peace, Fat Man Scoop. Yeah. I had a Crazy Town on my list. Oh yeah! One hit wonder, but one hit wonder.

Well, two hit wonder, Butterfly, and then also the appearance in the also, caveat caveat, terrible bad person, the Puff Daddy video, where they move in. Oh, the puff daddy video where they move in Wait, yeah, that was the Nelly Kelly Rowland video that wasn't you're right. I was moving into the neighborhood at the end They're like moving in in the dilemma video to share dilemma. There we go. Yeah, there there goes the neighborhood group It bent stiller too, that's right. Good Charlotte. Good Charlotte's interesting because Good Charlotte was doing the pop punk and then also so Hollywoody behind the scenes.

Like one of them married Cameron Diaz, the other I think was with Nicole Richie for a long time. Writing songs for a lot of people. Anyway, we wanna hear yours. Oh yeah, Maroon 5 for sure. I had one more, it was Little John also could have been. Oh yeah. David was gonna take it to get the pie

cause you got two thirds of it. I thought you were gonna take Little John to complete it. Oh to get the pie pie? Mm-hmm. Well David had to get his fingers in the Love the Way You Lie pie. We understand how the way the draft went. Listen, there's two things that mean a lot to me.

It's Little John, it's Love the Way You Lie. I guess I. That's why we call it windowpane, Love the Way You Lie. I guess I'll windowpane. You think T-Pain calls it windowpane? I'm gonna start saying other lyrics from that song. If you try to leave, I'll set this fucking house on fire. Next time I swear I'll lay my fist at the drywall. We wanna hear your picks. Hit us up at AllFantasyPod on,

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