All Fantasy Everything - 2017 Pop Culture (w/ Alison Herman, Sean Jordan, and David Gborie)

Episode Date: December 28, 2017

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. Welcome to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything. The podcast that got everything it wanted for Christmas and is so thankful for it. It is. It's fun. But as far as Hanukkah went, we didn't get anything we wanted. Not a thing. Not one goddamn thing. Come on, Mom. People don't get things they want for Hanukkah.

They don't. It's not a good holiday. It's not a good holiday. It's not a good holiday. Hanukkah's a trash holiday. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you Jewish? 100%. Bar Mitzvah and everything. Another layer to the onion. You find it out every day. Peel it back. It's still sweet.

Nominated for an Emmy. Gym every day. I heard about all this. 100% Jewish. I see you army crawl into the gym sometimes. I do that. I army crawl from the television academy of arts and sciences to the gym on a regular basis. And that's when I'm not at shul. Throwing out a word I haven't heard in like a decade. Shul. There is no Dana, only shul.

Something like that. I don't know. Ghostbusters reference. Ghostbusters. I've never seen it. Yeah. You've never seen Ghostbusters? I Ghostbusters. I've never seen it. Yeah. You've never seen Ghostbusters? I was just kidding.

I've seen it. Oh, okay. Geez. Wow. Wouldn't that be crazy? What if you saw like the all-lady Ghostbusters, but not the actual Ghostbusters? You mean that Leslie Jones movie? Yeah, I love that shit.

That middling Leslie Jones movie from about a year and a half ago? Yeah, that was good. It's pretty good. Wouldn't it cost $150 million when it needed to cost like 50? How did it cost so much money? All the ectoplasm. So much green CGI. They insisted on real ectoplasm, which is very expensive.

You've got to mine that shit in from Jamaica. You do. It doesn't grow out here. Well, I mean, what with the sanctions. You can't even get ectoplasm into the States. Not for cheap. I got it for the low, though. Hit me up.

Dave's got an ectoplasm guy. After she's silent on Twitter. We are joined today by Allison Herman. Hello. Writer extraordinaire. Right now with The Ringer. Yes. The website www.theringer.com.

A fine publication. A fine publication. What's your appropriate title? All things pop culture, but mostly television and movies, right? Mostly television. So my official title is staff writer. De facto, I'm kind of the TV person, which basically means I am the keeper of various email addresses and the permanent watcher of many hours of things. Yes.

And you write about stand-up, which – Occasionally, yeah. Yeah, every now and then, which I love, and I really... For reasons that we'll probably talk about in this draft. I think we probably will.

It'll come up. But I'm such a big fan of your work. I would encourage all our listeners to go and check it out. Thank you very much. I don't want to... We won't get into details, but I loved your

end-of-the-year TV list and everything, and I plan on using that to strategize against you during this draft. You're not a... Steal that to strategize against you during this draft. Ian had a plan during this draft. I'm going to take your top five. I'm just going to draft. In this very

real competition, you want to beat me. With real world consequences. David under his breath goes, Ian had a plan. Yeah, Ian came up with a plan, and I'm still not going to have a good draft. Yeah, I feel strange. I feel good. Sometimes I feel like a real dummy when I'm like, going to have a good draft. Yeah, I feel strange. I feel good. Sometimes I feel like a real dummy when I'm like, oh, man, I don't know anything that

happened this year. I know what you mean. No one knows anything that happened this year. Too much happened. What was I doing all year? It was so loud. It was a loud year. This was the loudest year ever, man.

This was a loud year. God damn, it was loud. I assume we're all going to pick various late, late show sketches that I wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate that just in advance. David getting that camouflage luggage was going to be that's my six man that's understandable that was a highlight

of the year you might have just blown David's pick yeah at aherman2006 on twitter my AIM username reappropriated as my twitter twitter handle rest in peace rest in paradise rest in paradise

rest in power that Peace, aim. Rest in paradise. Rest in paradise. Rest in power. Rest in power. That's the best one. Unless you're in a sarcophagus, nobody should say rest in power about you. I don't understand what it means. I don't know. What does that mean?

Like be a strong ghost. It's like the social justice one. It is the social, right. It's like I liked your opinions, rest in power. Rest in power. May they echo through eternity. That or are you Vladimir Lenin encased in glass? That seems like

something people would say if they've been in prison for a while. Like, they get out of prison and they're like, hey, rest in power, dude. That is definitely written on the bottom of a Polaroid of a dude posing in a blue jumpsuit. In a blue jumpsuit next to a bench press. Yeah, it's just R.I. Power. With an inmate number.

Right, yeah. 2-4-6-0-1. Arian Dan or whatever. Hey man, come to Chili's. Bovice just got out. He's got this new phrase that he's working on. He didn't overstand how to properly do a clean and jerk and he killed himself out the yard.

I hate that so much. Did you read that Monster Cody Scott book? Yes! Oh my God. Go to prison. We could just say understand. I just got to see Marissa adjust the levels real quick. That was funny.

Allison, do you know about this? There's like a prison. What is it? A prison thing? It's like when you find religion in prison, they don't like to say things like understand because it feels like it's beneath you to say you're under something. So they say overstand. It's pretty ridiculous because it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

I don't overstand you. So hard to read Monster Cody's books. That's also like weirdly new agey. It is. I just feel like it's the word. You don't need to like, okay. It's prison's version of conscious uncoupling. Yes, that's what I was thinking of.

Prison is weirdly new agey. Just call it what it is. Yeah. They're making Frito burritos using pressure and like plum wine oh yeah they make those you put the pickle juice

in there that's what it is yeah or it's like the kind of thing that you say at a really like hippie rich preschool

like we don't like to call them students yeah or pupils really like they're teaching us our fellow faculty our four year old faculty our interns Really like they're teaching us. Our fellow faculty. Our four-year-old faculty.

Our interns. We should take this opportunity. Also, we're joined by not just Allison Herman, but of course, David Borey is in the house today. Hey, hey, hey. The G is silent. Always. On Twitter, at CoolGuyJokes87 on Instagram. Yes, yes.

How are you doing, man? I'm doing great. I posted a video on Instagram of Sean nunchucking last night. I saw that shit. A lot of views. Sean Jordan is a nunchuck master. It's crazy because at first he starts, and you're like, oh, he's doing the nunchucks again. But then when he gets into it, you're like, whoa, he is really good at it.

Yeah, I'm good at it. I want to get, I want to, how applicable is that to a fight? Is what I, first of all, since you're throwing all these big words at me and I don't know what they mean, I'm going to take him as disrespect. I don't like the dichotomy of this prison cell.

Watch your mouth and help me with the sale. Like, Revere. I don't, is it good in a fight? Answer the question. No, they're not. Okay. They're terrible in a fight answer the question no no they're not okay

they're terrible in a fight you can't do shit with nunchucks really no yeah I mean they're just flashy they're meant to look cool yeah can't do shit with them

I always it seems like it would be a good like bonk somebody over the head I rewatched Popstar last night which is not from this year but there is a great visual gag that involves Andy Samberg using nunchucks

as the ultimate signifier of like some stupid bullshit Justin Bieber would do in a music video. That movie's funny. It is good, yeah. It's so good. And it was also like, I saw it in theaters for the first time and it's definitely, it plays better when you're just on HBO and trying to come

down from Star Wars. Totally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe a little bit stoned sitting at home. Shout out to Chris Redd. Yeah, that was the mindset. Shout out to Chris Redd. Yeah. He's so funny in that. And I think he's been pretty good on SNL this year, too. And it's funny because I appreciated the acting better because when you see him on SNL, a lot of times there,

he's kind of the quiet street dude because he's the new guy. Yeah, it's like early on. He's playing the background player in Sketch, and that character is so over the top. He's over the top. His comedy's over the top. And when he finally gets to unleash it, it's going to be big. He left a bottle of Remy Martin in my freezer like it wasn't a big deal.

That's a good deal. That's a big deal. Whoa, he's like, I got to get out of here. I just left that for you. I was like, this is what rappers drink. Christopher. He knew. And he had his eyes on the prize.

You like rap, don't you? I dabble. I dabble. I dabble and fandle. Melissa Villasenor, I wish would start getting more shine on there. She's so funny. She's great. Melissa is amazing. She's so funny and talented

the current cast kind of has the most potential that I've seen in recent memory for quite some time they're like a good rookie in second year class I really like Heidi Gardner

I really like how Alex Moffat and Mikey Day have kind of blended in yes it feels like they've had a lot of people who are sort of like I think some stand ups

like Leslie Jones and Pete Davidson are great on the show but they're not team players. They're just kind of, they're themselves. Put them on a weekend update. The old Chris Rock problem. Yeah. Yeah.

The Chris Rock problem. Pete Davidson, did you see he got a big Hillary Clinton tattoo? That's hilarious. Oh, no. Yeah. He got a big tattoo of like 1990s Hillary Clinton. That feels like Cassie David's influence. Yeah.

It might be. Wait, is he dating? Yeah. Wait, oh, really? Or I hope they're still dating. That's like my favorite couple's influence. Yeah, it might be. Wait, is he dating? Yeah. Wait, oh, really? Or I hope they're still dating. That's like my favorite couple right now. Oh, interesting. Pete Davidson.

We were new faces together at Montreal. So that's my connection. Good company to be in. So you guys got real drunk together. Yeah, real drunk. And ate some smoked meat in a hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he had that girl who was dating that girl who would be on Girl Code at the time.

And she was just up there hanging out. And she was getting more industry heat than a lot of the comedians. That is a bummer. Randy had that girl who was dating that girl who would be on Girl Code at the time, and she was just up there hanging out, and she was getting more industry heat than a lot of the comedians. That is a bummer. What was her name? I know. God, what was her name? Anyway.

Shout out to Girl Code. And Guy Code. And Guy Code. Yeah. Put a lot of comedians on. Sean Jordan. What's happening? At Sean S. Jordan on Twitter.

Playboy. Sean Cougar MelonJordan on Instagram. I have seen so many people ripping off your Instagram here. I have seen a lot, too. I love it. I do, too. Spread the love. It's fun.

Yeah. DaveCougarMelonBrewback and shit like that. Yeah. It never flows as good as yours does. Yeah. SeanCougarMelonJordan flows the best. You know, I'm happy that you guys said that. I appreciate it.

How are you doing? What's the life? I'm happy that you guys said that. I appreciate it. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Y'all went to Malloy's house party, birthday party last night? Enemy of the podcast. Fake birthday? Fake birthday Malloy? I hate him. Never to return to this podcast. Introduced me as an Emmy losing comedian last night. I'm sorry.

It was so good. I didn't mean that much. Oh my god, that was ridiculous. This took my legs out right from under me. Oh, what a dickhead. Yeah, we went to Malloy's house party last night, and it was fun. It was very crowded.

We were in the corner for a minute. Yeah, we just had the kitchen spot, like the old guys at the party. Yeah, we're in college. You guys are in high school. We'll be in the kitchen by the keg, making sure nobody gets beers they're not going to drink. And they're talking about Yola Tango and shit.

Happy birthday, Mike Malloy, you goon. Yeah. It'll be his birthday by the time this comes out, right? It will be, yeah. Yeah, happy birthday. It'll have passed, the fucking goon. He's either 47 or 21. I can't call him.

One of the two things is happening. Our friend from Boston, he hates when we call him a goon, but then he's got all these stories about like gooning. I made a kid sit in a puddle one night, he said. Yeah. You know? He took a shirt off. It looks like a goon acts like a goon.

It's a goon. It's a goon. Yeah. Or just a regular dude from Boston and we're just very sheltered here on the West Coast. That might be it. That might be it. It's cold winters out there. Yes.

What else? Oh, I want to thank IndieWire. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, cool. IndieWire for naming one of our Bill the Sandwich episode one of the top 50 podcasts of the year. Yeah. Number 32. So cool.

Magic Johnson. Yeah. Shaquille O'Neal. All right? Story and history. Good company. Hallett Halls. Absolutely.

Hallett Halls, we're walking. Yeah. So thank you for that. We really appreciate that, IndieWire. We didn't know anyone other than the AFE fans were listening. I thought it was just the people who tweeted us. Yeah, right, exactly. And then, like, our moms.

Shout out to you. Shout out to St. Suit Carmel. St. Suit Carmel. And shout out to super producer Marissa. Marissa. Kikoo. Yeah. I'm dabbing.

You guys can't see it because you're listening, but I dab. Why did you just start dabbing this week? I hate it. I've seen him do it, like, four times. Because it bugged you so hard last night. I just start dabbing this week? I hate it. I've seen him do it like four times. I've bugged you so hard last night and I hate it. It just was bugging everyone so hard that I dabbed 30 times last night. It's so irritating that you're doing

it right now. Cool people don't look cool dabbing. I think troll dabbing is a more common occurrence than actual dabbing. People just dab to piss other people off because they know they shouldn't be doing it. But I don't think he's troll dabbing. I think he's dab dabbing. No, this is like how he started saying bro as a joke,

and now his bro is like solidly in his lexicon. And dank, too. That's how dank got in there. By the way, I approve fully of bro. I'm on record as saying I am pro bro. I will stop dabbing. I don't think I will. I'll stop it right now.

Please stop dabbing. Switch it to the Millie Rock. Oh, start Millie Rock. I can't do the Millie. Can I do the Bernie still? No, that's done. What's the the Millie Rock. Oh, start Millie Rock. Can I do the Bernie still? No, that's done. What's the Bernie? This one?

Oh, yeah. David's doing it. No stanky leg, no Bernie, no whip-nay-nay. No whip-nay-nay. I had a stanky leg contest with some dude in a bar in Atlanta, and I lost. Yeah, you did. Of course. Did you think that you were going to win?

That's the wrong place to do it. Why did I lose? That was an away game for you, my friend. Yeah, what did you think was going were going to win? That's the wrong place to do it. Why did I lose? That was an away game for you, my friend. Yeah, what did you think was going to happen? I would have had a better chance at beating Lawrence Taylor in a tackle contest than I did. Who brought up the contest? Was it you? Oh, yeah.

We're talking eight years ago. I was a different boy. It might have been 07, 09. You go for it, and I respect that. No more dabs. Yeah. No more dabs. No more dabs. Yeah. No more dabs. No more dabs in LA.

Please. Done. Today we are drafted. We have congregated here in the HeadGum Studios in scenic downtown Los Angeles. Right here in the Arts District. Damn right. Just a little bit east of downtown. Just it.

Beautiful, beautiful vistas of the skyscrapers. You can loom over the city of dreams. Also walk through Skid Row to get here. It's also Skid Row. We're surrounded by Skid Row. Not the smartest choice

I've made in my days. We are surrounded by a homeless community that is larger than most of the cities in Iowa. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

And has the same number of senators. You walked here? Yeah, I took the metro. One of the four people in Los Angeles. I have taken the subway. That's right. You took it all the time. Did you get off at Little Tokyo?

No, I got off at Pershing Square and walked from there. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's not too far, though. It's an underrated subway system. I'm just going to say it. I've never set foot on it. I love it. There's some good views.

Yeah, if you're in the above ground. Yeah, I live in the Highlands Park. And you can get from here to Santa Monica in like 40 minutes. That I like. Yeah. That's dope. It's quicker than a car from what I hear. That we might have to get into when summertime rolls back around.

Yeah. Oh, man. I'm with it. You guys can record a live episode from the beach. Ooh. Don't put that past us. We're beach boys. It would just be-

Honest proposal. Yeah. The whole episode would just be the sound of a baseball hitting a glove like 50 times because we'd be playing catch. No talking. Some rhythmic waves. Rubbing on sunscreen. Soothing white noise.

Pulverized by waves. I just love to go. I love to like stand in the ocean and just get the shit beat out of me by waves. I don't understand it. You just want to face the power. I just want. I do. You want to feel it.

Come at me Poseidon. I really do feel like that. Like this is not the best. I'm like Lieutenant Dan. I was just going to say you and Lieutenant Dan out there. Jason Momoa. Yeah Momoa. Eyes want to feel it. Come at me, Poseidon. I really do feel like that. Like, this is not the best. I'm like Lieutenant Dan. I was just going to say, you and Lieutenant Dan out there. Jason Momoa. Yeah, Momoa. Momoa is out of the sea.

Momoa just being problematic in about four feet of water. We've gathered here today to draft our favorite pop culture from the calendar year 2017. I'm very excited to do it. Allison, you joined us for the same podcast last year. I did. Yeah, for the 2016 for the same podcast last year. I did. Yeah, for the 2016 one. We had a great time. So we're so happy to have you back here.

You know, it took 20 plus minutes just to get to this point. So I think we're on track to exceed last year's runtime, which I did not think was possible. I think I told you. I was like, this one won't be as long. I'm not optimistic. Yeah. So let's take our first bite of the apple, jump right into it. be as long. I'm not optimistic. Let's take our first bite of the apple. Jump right

into it. Now, to determine the order of the draft, we do that with a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors, played between the three of you. You go on shoot, and we'll do that right now. So here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot! Oh, goddammit. You threw scissors first, and you still won.

We've done this twice now. You still won. Okay. I won. All right. David almost wins. Jesus. David probably wins 90% of them somehow.

I'm very good at it. And you beat David. Well, also, the listeners don't have to know, so you could just be arbitrarily calling all the shots. Sometimes Marissa gifts them, so we have, there is some accountability. There is some photo evidence. I watched you throw scissors and I was still like, paper. Okay.

Well, thank you. Thank you for throwing that. You have to determine the order of the draft. I will remind you, it is a serpentine draft. And what does that mean, Sharla? It just goes one direction and then the opposite direction. So people go twice in a row. That's 100% right.

I learned so much in a year running a sports website, you guys. You fucking knew it. No one's ever known it. No one's ever known it. No one has ever known it. She just straight to the point. Man, she swept the leg. She swept the leg. I had one ready to go, too, but we don't need it.

A year ago, I could not name five professional athletes. And now I know how fantasy drafts work. I'm so proud of myself. Steep it in that ringer tee. Why don't we just keep it intuitive and just go me. I'm like a horseshoe. Allison, David. Sean, you.

And then it's just an easy way to remember. So we don't have to alternate or some shit. Beautiful. Okay. So does that mean I go first? That means you go first. Okay. So with the first pick in the 2017 Pop Culture All Fantasy Everything Draft, Alison Herman.

So I believe, if I remember correctly, last year I started things off on a downer note by picking Death. Yes, that's right. And in the same tradition, and as the only woman on this podcast, I think I am obligated to pick Sexual Harassment and Me Too and all the Harvey Weinstein bullshit. There's no way that wasn't going first. As my number one. I think that was kind of the biggest event in pop culture, not least because it puts the closest link between pop culture and politics because our president is also a sexual harasser.

Everything is political now. Yeah. Everything is like electrified. Yeah, that was by far the biggest pop culture story of the year. Yeah. It just kept going. And it's still going. It keeps going.

We are in a holiday lull, but I am betting January 2nd, there's another big news coming. There are so many dudes in this city just shaking in their boots like,

damn it. I shouldn't have done that. I don't feel bad about that. No. Fuck no. It's good. It's cool when bad guys lose. So I mean,

like the short list is Weinstein, Ratner, Louis C.K. Yeah. Like. Dustin Hoffman. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which, like, keeps getting worse.

Kevin Spacey. Yeah. The Hamburglar. The Hamburglar. We saw that couple. And I think it's really interesting because it's really shed light. There's a great article in New York Magazine that everyone should read by Rebecca Traister. And I don't remember

this is actually the headline, but the thesis of the piece is this is not about sex. It's about work. Yeah. And just about like the real consequence of this is how it has affected

people's professional lives. Like all the people in these stories who were like, and then I left the industry because what was I going to do? Stand up to Harvey Weinstein. Right, yeah.

Or like, did you guys read Salma Hayek's op-ed? Yes. Yeah. So like her, she says right off the bat, you know,

he obviously creeped on me, but like he didn't rape me. He didn't sexually assault me. He didn't grope me, but he fucked with my movie. Like I was trying to make my statement. Tried to get a Frida Kahlo to not have a u-brow. Yeah.

Because he thought it wasn't sexy. That was dubious historically. Yeah. Crazy. But you know, forces of sex scene in the movie. You know, all these, like, Mira Sorvino. Yeah, she didn't win an Oscar, did she?

For Mighty Aphrodite? Wait. I don't remember the Oscar, but I remember, like, the most recent thing I heard from her was, like, someone wanted to cast her in Bad Santa and Harvey Weinstein put the kibosh on it. the kibosh on it. And just, I think people are starting to understand this as like about frustrated opportunities and power dynamics in a way that I think like probably the most recent example of us having a national conversation about sexual assault was the college stuff.

And when you're in college, you don't have like a professional life. So it just became about like boys and girls interacting. And then this is sort of like, well, no, this just affects women's existence in ways beyond just like physical and girls interacting. And then this is sort of like, well, no, this just affects women's existence in ways beyond just like physical safety.

Yeah. So I thought I had to go first. I know that's a downer. Not a downer. No, it's not. I mean, yes, it is a downer. That is a downer. Yeah.

And you know, it's the whole like, it's always been happening, but now we're talking about it and now we are successfully removing people from the paint because of it. Yeah. Which is promising. Removing people from the paint because of it. Yeah. Which is promising. Removing people from the paint.

Yeah, that's just a really white way. Yeah, talking about it. Get out of the paint. Sorry, guys. All these people, too, where there'd be these rumors persisting about them forever, and you'd be like, when is something going to happen? And then these consequent, like with Louis C.K.

Well, and Louis C.K. was especially bizarre because everyone knew to the point where people were openly asking about it and being asked about it in C.K. Well, and it's – Louis C.K. was especially bizarre because like everyone knew to the point where people were like openly asking about it and being asked about it in interviews. Yeah. I thought it was really crazy. But then like I've sort of realized something like Kevin Spacey I think was common knowledge for a very limited number of people. Also pretty open, yeah. But like middle America does not know that. They had no idea.

Yeah. So like I think Louis C.K. was an entirely different level of like if you even casually followed entertainment like you heard those i thought the craziest details of that story was that the lead of the new york times story was the contents of the gawker blind item from 2012 i remember that i remember when that popped up for the first time and i was like yeah so it's just essentially the exact same thing and the blind item was also not shy about who it was actually about no they were like you just had to look like yeah, so it's just essentially the exact same thing. And the blind item was also not shy about who it was actually about. No. You just had to look like they were like, it's a two-person female musical group.

And you know Garfunkel and Oates weren't at Aspen that year. So it wouldn't have taken that much work to figure out who it was. And it was like, he is a really acclaimed sitcom based on his life that everyone's obsessed with. And he's an acclaimed stand-up. And it was like, oh. But there was a five-year gap between people being willing to put their names on it.

That was really wild. Because it's terrifying if like... Well, yeah, you have Dave Becky out there like, jeez, now we're getting into man, really? I know. No, let's do it. Alright, fucking out there. No one is not implicated in this. I mean... And just putting pressure on people and like, you know, like Louis C.K. himself like emailing – when somebody would like pop off about it.

Like he like – Oh, yeah. Remember he like emailed somebody? The Jen Kirkman thing. And then the Kirkman thing. And Megan Keister. Like all kinds of stuff. Megan Keister was on the red carpet at Montreal like two, three years ago.

Yeah. Was it even that long? Yeah. And that was weird because like it was before the time story broke but she published that whole thing about like this is what happened when i tried to report on it and it's basically a way of reporting the allegations without reporting the allegations they were just completely out in the world it's just fuck it's a i mean i felt like i'm a god just to talk about my personal like when those rumors popped up felt like powerless because it's like i believe this is

probably true but but like, what the fuck do, what do I do? You know, other than like, like tell other people about it and then not like work with Louis CK. But other than that, like,

and when I wrote about it, like I wrote, I wrote it, I thought he had an hour long special this year. I thought it was fucking great. I wrote a really nice review of it. And when I was writing, like the way I rationalize it to myself was sort of like,

well, these allegations don't actually have names on them yet. And that's kind of the difference to me. And as such, I don't feel like I can really write about them the same way that I can write about, like, a specific hour of comedy. But, you know, being honest with myself, that's a rationalization. You know, I knew and I was still endorsing his work publicly. And so were a lot of critics who I think also believe and believed the women. Yes. Which is just a

rough spot for everyone to be in. Now there's names, there's other like big names in comedy where rumors are swirling right now. We can't talk about them on the podcast but it's like we will definitely talk about that. Off mic we can trade some rumors. And it's like gee well what do you do about that? Like now you hear these rumors swirling again

it's like I guess we're just hopefully just when if if the people do come forward, just, like, stand behind them and then condemn it. But it's fucking, it's great. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. So I'm glad this stuff is finally. Is that a saying? Yeah. Yep. And now that we have solved sexism and sexual harassment.

You are putting the expendable sport. I don't believe in us. Well, the other pick. The expendable sport. I believe in us. Well, the other thing, just to touch on it for one more second. So this has come out now in the world of celebrity for the most part, right? So it's been actors. Have we had many musicians who have been yet? The guy from Brand New, I think. Oh, yeah, that's right.

So some music, some comedy. I think politics, I really hope it pushes a little more in that direction. And sports. Oh, sports. Sports, like you can't even make it worse than it already is. I know. And right now with the NFL, it's like finally some good news. Yeah, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Did you guys know that the NFL is the problem with women? Who knew? Well, the owner of the Carolina Panthers now is like a bunch of allegations, like terrible allegations and stuff like that. The whole sports world, I mean, if that starts tumbling down, it has been. And like people just don't give a fuck. Like Jen Sturger with the whole Brett Favre thing. And then also being sexually harassed at ESPN and everything. That story was so crazy.

And then nothing happened. Well, and there's also this weird issue issue of timing where someone like Woody Allen, where it's like we've already gone through all the arguments we're probably ever going to have about him. He has a movie coming out this awards season. You're almost better off having that stuff have come out in the 90s or early 2000s. Yeah. When consequences just for whatever reason weren't – well, not for whatever reason. Because of institutionalized sexism. There were didn't there were no consequences everyone's had the talk and now people are like oh it's kind of old news like you're better off being woody allen than you

are being dustin hoffman where these horrible allegations came out forever ago people talked about it and it's like because is the shoe other shoe ever going to drop for him or are people just going to keep like letting him do his thing i mean i feel like if you can be like publicly accused of child molestation and whether that yeah you've kind of done and it's also like okay he gets his he has to stop making movies because people won't fund them at 80 whatever he is he already has like 50 movies under his belt like you know it would obviously be better than if the opposite happened or if he continues to make movies, but that's not

a super meaningful change in his career. It's the Joe Paterno situation. Yeah. Yes. So excellent. And Mira Sorvino did win an Academy Award

for Mighty Aphrodite and then blacklisted after. Shout out to Mira Sorvino. Friend of the show. They should replace Kevin Spacey. No, they should put, she should be the lead on Transparent now.

That's what we'll do. Tambor out. Digitally add Mira Sorvino into the Larry Sanders show. Yep. Applesauce. All right. David Borey. So, yeah.

On the heels of sexual harassment, which was absolutely the biggest pop culture thing. Yeah, 100%. It's time for your first pick. I don't want to lie. I think I'm getting the second biggest pop culture thing of Yeah, 100%. It's time for your first pick. I don't want to lie. I think I'm getting the second biggest pop culture thing of 2017. All right. When I say

Bodak Yellow. Bodak Yellow. I love Cardi B's Ascent. Yeah. I have been watching her since she was just doing Instagram stories. A Hoe Never Gets Cold

is a fucking classic. Oh, yeah. And her shit would cut off, you remember? Like, she was so bad at using Instagram back in the day. Really? She would just be talking, like, in the middle of a heated point, and then the video would just stop. Because it ran out of time. It ran out of time.

She was a pioneer. And they wouldn't be, like, she wouldn't pick it up in the next video. It would just be some other shit. But just, like, I just love the way that she like man a hustler's ambition the way she just to see her come from like on a bullshit tv show loving hip-hop is bullshit and she was a bullshit part on it yeah and just for her to finesse that to like being number one in the country and like it, it's just like anything. It's the most American story to me. Anything can happen.

To be clear, before I say this, I prefer Cardi B to the Kardashian family. But there are shades of the Kardashian story where like, when I talk about this with my parents, my parents don't understand that like, I almost take like Kim's success and Kim's come up as inherent proof of her ability and talent. A hundred percent.

Yes. Yeah, I feel like it's harder to explain that to older people, but it's like it is so fucking impressive that just as Kim could go from a sex tape released against her consent to being like one of the most famous and rich people in the world and come off really likable when Jennifer Lawrence talks to her on Kimmel. Right. In the same way, like Cardi B, she can go from making Instagram videos and openly talking about stripping.

And now she's the number one, you know, not even the number one rapper. She was the number one in the country. Yeah. It's just the other thing. It's not a rap thing either. Cause it's like,

I listened to her other rap. It's fine. Just like the way that she was able to do it is just like. Ambition. Yeah. Ambition. And she's like,

and she did it keeping it real she doesn't really lie if you look at her and you listen to her what she says she's very straightforward about everything like even within the raps like it's just like man i really i really appreciate her i would also refer listeners to my friend and former or my current friend former colleague allison p davis wrote the cover story about her for New York Magazine. It's a great profile. It's written from a place of love, but it is also very canny about how her celebrity

and come up has worked, and it's just a great read. So if you love Cardi B, seek it out. Also, shout out to Marcella Arguello, who's also on that issue of The New Yorker. Is she really? What's Marcella doing in there? She's just one of the top comics to watch or some shit. That's fucking dope.

She is, too. They have a friendship like that. I've seen her perform a few times here. She's great. Okay, you get it. It's hard to explain that in public. David lives with Marcella, and she is a cool person. Pass on my regards from some random she's never heard of.

I will do. And she'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about? She's so mean. This is why we can't have nice shit. She's so mean. We're friends. And then the other day on Twitter, she was just pulling my card. I don't even remember exactly what it was.

It's exhausting. She was just roasting the fuck out of me on Twitter. It was like 9 a.m. It was early. Dude, she really was. I told you I woke up the other day, like 9 o'clock in the morning, and she was cleaning the living room, listening to Ghostface. And I was like, it's

the morning. That's not morning music. No, not at all. For Marcella, it is, though. That's what she wakes up to. And I like Ghostface. I like Ghostface, too. Sure. Not at 9am. I'm just gonna crisscross at 9am. Yeah. Real sweet stuff. But yeah, anyways, Bodak Yellow, the Cardi B experience.

I love it. She just bought Offset, Phantom. Great. Or a Wraith. She brought him a Wraith. A Wraith. That's the thing. We were talking about that.

I didn't know having one hit single in 2017 was enough money to buy a Wraith. So that's part of what the article I talked about gets into is she makes so much money off of club appearances. Does she? So much money. That's what all these Instagram people are doing. Just to go back to your Kardashian thing, the fact that they can monetize the male gaze or whatever,

which is just rad. It's good. Get in where you fit in. I've never hated Kim Kardashian. I'm like, she fucking took like a sex tape and then got so successful that her brother has a sock company. I hate it when- That level of residual success is amazing. To be that talented and good at taking this momentum and turning it into something real.

That your entire family's rich forever because of it. Jeans on, team strong. Yes. I used to listen to Sexy Can I when I ran, when i was really big into running yeah because i heard of ray j through kim kardashian that's what you put ray j on that's what also that's also wait i discovered this the other day i had no idea who ray j does everyone know or remember that kim kardashian was in a tyler perry movie what no She was in the Temptation one. Oh, the fighting Temptations?

Yeah, or whatever the fuck it's called. She's like the fourth billed person in this dramatic movie. That's weird. It was also really funny because it was 2011, so it was like immediately pre-Kanye. And you just forget how different her entire image was before then.

Now she's like the American royal family. It's dope. And I'm sorry if it disturbs you to hear that, but it's 100% true. Yes, you. Yeah. You, listener. Yeah, Bodak Yellow, that song is just fucking. It's great.

She nailed it. The whole come up. And everybody supporting her to do it. Everybody being like, especially within the hip hop community, it'd be like like let's make cardi be number one like people rode for ride for us so hard and i just like really even uh what's her face is uh iggy azalea not iggy azalea banks azalea banks who was like hating on her she hates everybody she hates everybody then there's video her in the club just going off to bodak yellow

because it's like pretty undeniable it's it is in the club level it's in the club just going off to Bodak Yellow. Because it's like pretty undeniable. It is in the club level. It's in the club and then it's teens on the bus. Yeah. And then it's just like your mom cooking dinner. It's everybody likes that song. I mean, it's like. I think I've heard that song every time I've gotten in a lift for like the duration of 2017.

For fucking real. Yeah. It is. That is the I'm in an Uber. It's Friday at like 1045. And the Uber's like trying to play like party music to like get you in the mood. And you're like, I'm a loser. I'm going home at 8 p.m. on a Friday.

You're a 74-year-old Armenian, man. You don't need to do this. But those is bloody shoes. Those is bloody shoes. But it's like, remember when like In Da Club by 50 Cent? Remember when that song came out? Everywhere. And then it was like.

Yes, I do. Everywhere. It was like in the car on the way to the party, once you got inside the party, when you went to Taco Bell, it was coming out of the car in front of you

at the drive-thru. Hey, I brought the CD from my car so we can listen to In the Club again in the house here. Yeah, that's where Bodak Yellow got this year.

It was like that. I love it. I just, I'm with it, man. For something to become monoculture in 2017 is pretty fucking fantastic. True.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, that's like, amazing. For something to become monoculture in 2017 is pretty fucking fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I mean, that's like amazing. Bodak Yellow, great pick. But also, one more thing. Yes. You used to run listening to Sexy Can I?

Yeah, I can't believe we almost did that. I just said that. That's not weird. I'm here for that. I still like that song. It feels like the weirdest running song to me. I used to run to some wild shit. Give us two other ones.

Damn Yankees was on there. That High Enough song and End of the Road by Boyz II Men. Wow. End of the Road. I definitely have a memory of running to Viva La Vida by Coldplay. In my life. That one's kind of, that one's got some movement to it. You take yourself on a journey.

I mean, there was also Slayer on there, Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses. Like, you have to, because I was running. End of the road. What are you running from? It's whatever gets you going. A workout playlist is completely functional. Well, we're talking like 10 miles.

I got a lot of Florence and the Machine on my gym playlist. Nice. Yeah, she'll get you going. Yeah, you gotta, like, when you're running, because I was doing a half marathon, I was training for it, and you have to, like, we're talking like 10-mile runs every week, and it sucks. It's like two hours of, it's fucking boring. So you training for it. And you have to, like, we're talking like 10 mile runs every week. And it sucks.

It's like two hours of, it's fucking boring. So you just have to. But Sean's getting real serious. Sean's getting real serious about it. Yeah, no. What are all these people doing out here? Put your shirt back on. Yeah.

Chill out. Nobody else on the bike trail when I'm running. Tuck that top of me. No bikes. Tuck that top of me. Have you ever heard my Florence and the Machine? My fun little thing I do in my head for Florence and the Machine? Instead of a band, I like to picture it as a two-piece where it's Florence

who's the lead singer and then a guy named The Machine. Just out there on the drums. Just a gnarly dude named The Machine who's like wailing

on Tycho drums and shit for Florence. I love it. Just a real unlikely, kind of like a Grammys 2043 duo. All right, Bodak Yellow. Chantel Jordan, it is time for your third pick.

I'm going to pick The Eclipse. Oh. Is this pop culture? I don't know if that was pop culture. I mean, it was a big pop culture deal, wasn't it? It was like a big issue. There are a lot of photos on Instagram. That's not what popular culture is.

It was culture. I don't know if it's pop culture. I was wondering if gonna work i thought it was i thought it fell into pop culture i don't know we don't have to count it i got another one i wrote well hold on one right i experienced the eclipse from a lift onward to my office from when i interviewed tig notaro at a press junket at the four seasons of beverly hills so for me it was a pop culture it wasn't for alice it was a pop culture event so from when I interviewed Tig Notaro at a press junket at the Four Seasons of Beverly Hills. So for me, it was a pop culture event. It wasn't for Allison. It was a pop culture event. So I'll take that.

Did you experience it at a Tower Records? No. I just thought it was a popular thing that happened in culture. Did you experience it? I did. I was out in a field and I saw totality. Did you blind yourself? No, I had the glasses the whole night.

Here's what Wikipedia says about popular culture. And then I haven't even read it yet, so I'm not trying to trap you. We'll see how it works. You could win? I think we know how this is going to go. Pop culture is the entirety of attitudes, ideas, images, perspectives, and other phenomena within the mainstream of a given culture, especially Western culture of the early to mid-20th century and the emerging global mainstream of the late 20th and early 21st century.

Heavily influenced by mass media, the collection of ideas permeates the everyday lives of the society. The most common pop culture categories are entertainment, such as movies, music, television, video games, sports, news, politics, fashion, clothes, technology, and slang, planets. That's very broad. That's the broadest definition. Eclipse is news. Yeah.

I didn't mean to piss everyone off. It's out of technicality. I mean, I wasn't trying to make a wild pick. I honestly thought that would, for me, that would seem like a cop. What movie do you like this year? Well, yeah. We'll get there. It was definitely monoculture.

We'll get there. We don't have to let it. If we're talking monoculture the eclipse was a genuinely and it's weird because so i had a co-worker who was super super into it booked plane tickets months out he went to i did too i'd want to went to idaho yeah and i heard about it from him and i was like oh haha you're so weird you love astrology like not astrology astronomy yeah and um then it happened and all of a sudden everyone i knew was talking about it they were just an early adopter all right we'll count it it's in is that all right i mean it was And then it happened, and all of a sudden, everyone I knew was talking about it. And I was like, oh, man.

They were just an early adopter. Who knew? All right, we'll count it. It's in. Is that? All right. I mean, it was the closest, and this sounds crazy to say, but it was the closest to a life-changing experience I've ever had.

Ooh. Really? Because you look up, I was not ready for what happened. Wait, hold on. The Eclipse versus Nicole. What's a bigger? Nicole! The Eclipse didn't cheat on me every summer.

You don't know that. You don't know that. You can't know that. Let's just say I saw the eclipse. Right around the same time you saw the eclipse. The experience of the eclipse, like it got colder. Like it physically got like 15 degrees colder, which I was not ready for. It was actually dark, which I wasn't ready for.

I was like, there's no way it's going to get dark out. Yeah. And it was just, it was insane to look up and be like, holy shit, man, I'm small. I mean. Totality. Dust in the wind, as they say, you know? But yeah, it was just, I don't know. To me, it was like the weirdest thing.

Where did you observe it from? We were just outside of Portland in, I forget the city, but just some small town. Never make that mistake about Oregon again. Not in front of me. You remember every city there. We might have been in Zigzag. All right, cool. Portland is a popular spot.

I know some people who are in South Carolina. I know people who are in Wyoming. Ooh, people went to Wyoming. Well, it's nature, man. What better place to be overwhelmed by the totality? I've been to Wyoming a bunch of times. There's like a butte to your right. There's buttes fucking everywhere.

It's butte country. You can't move from buttes. Love big buttes and you cannot lie. My friend Nate Fernald, who's a stand-up comedian, writer on The Late Late Show, his girlfriend is an astronomer. His girlfriend is an astronomer, and they went to a town in Idaho that they figured out had the highest percentage chance of clear skies for that day. So they booked an Airbnb, drove there and everything. It shut down like Eastern Oregon. They had to make the freeways one way.

It was crazy. There were so many people. Yeah, so the freeways going east were like one way. You couldn't go the other way. You had to take back routes if you wanted to. We were there watching it. To deal with the traffic. There was a professor from, I think, Michigan, University of Michigan. Yeah.

And his high school teacher that got him into astronomy was also there with him. Wow. Like watching it. And they were, I think they were crying when it happened. It was nuts. It just, yeah, just like. I was still here in LA and shadows got a little weird. And that was pretty much

my entire experience with it. It was like. Yeah, it wasn't much. It was like the world had a dimmer switch. Yeah, it did a little bit.

And you weren't like expecting it. I was just like, oh, the sun's going to look like there was a bike taken out of it. Yeah. And then things like actually got strange.

They got a little weird. Yeah. I was like, why am I, it felt like I had done Molly the night before. I was that out. I was like that level out of it. It made me like want to commit crimes. Like got a little weird, yeah. It felt like I had done Molly the night before. I was that out. I was like that level out of it. It made me want to

commit crimes. You're like, this is the witching hour. You know what it was like? Judgment night, dude. It was like the Santa Ana winds, which were whipping away this morning when I woke up. They were. They're back at it. My window blew open. When those Santa Ana winds get to blowing, watch out, they almost burnt down all of our richest entertainers' homes.

They got to Rupert Murdoch. That's how we know they're in the right place. That was awesome. Who thought Mother Nature was going to be the one to take that down? I know. Chelsea Handler had to evacuate, and I was sad about that. But then Rupert Murdoch's house just fully burnt down, and that was awesome. Gnarly.

It's also like the homes over there are so big where it's like it took out an entire hillside and four houses. Four houses. Shit. How weird is it that a dude named Rupert is evil? Yeah. It sounds like the voice. Such a regal nice name. Yeah.

Sounds like the voice of reason. Rupert. The only wrong thing Rupert should do is accidentally give you too much tea. You know? Yeah. He will. But he'll apologize for it. All right.

The eclipse. I didn't know I was going to make so many waves. I really didn't. That's all right, man. Yeah. I really, I honestly, that was like one of my first things that popped in my head for pop culture.

I just thought it was like an influence society, a bunch, right? I mean. The moon makes waves. You should have known, you know. That's where tides come from. There you go. Shane thinks he's smart

because he has a joke about that. Oh, does he? Yeah. You think you're smart because you know the moon causes time? The sampler platter. The sampler platter. I bet if you pulled the American public, though, it would be some incredibly depressingly low number.

It would be, yeah. It would be like 10% and then 30% thinks God waves his fingers. The amount of people that can't spell tomorrow. A lot of times if you're not by the ocean, you don't get it. I understand. Right? If you're like in Tulsa. Yeah.

I mean, I grew up just north of Tulsa in South Dakota, Sioux Falls to be exact. And I knew from as soon as I was old enough to know that, I knew what. Top of the food. 31. Top of the food chain. Top of the food chain. Beaverton, Oregon, top of the food chain. Top of the food chain.

We're champions of more. All right. Excellent. So the eclipse was your first pick. Ian, what do you got for your first pick? With my first pick, God, I'm not sure if I want to go head or heart. Well, this one's heart too. My favorite

thing this year that I got into was the NBC comedy, The Good Place. Yes. I love it so much. I hear so many good things. If this is what you mean by rating my list for picks, I am all for this. I have another one that one of us is going to get, and I'm just happy that one of us is going to get it. Okay.

I almost want you to take it so you can talk about it, but it's not the good place. All right. Let's talk about the good place. Let's talk about the good place first. Is this the Ted Danson, Kristen Bell? Oh, okay. So there's a big twist that happened this year at the end of the first season. Have you guys seen it or do you care if we talk about it?

Well, I don't. Is that bad if we wreck it for anyone? I don't know. Okay. it or do you care if we talk about it well i don't is that bad if we wreck it for anyone i don't know okay let's talk about it for uh the twist for the next minute or how long i feel like we've given people a fair warning all right spoiler alert starts now the premise of the show is that there is a heaven they don't call it heaven but it's basically heaven yeah it's set in the afterlife it's set in the good place and she gets in when she's not supposed to she gets in when she's not supposed to and it's explained and ted danson is the guy who runs he's basically in the afterlife it's set in the good place and she gets in when she's not supposed to she gets in when she's not supposed to and it's explained

and Ted Danson is the guy who runs he's basically like the angel who runs her parts of it and I will say I had sessed out the twist just from like internet hints oh I hadn't at all

by the time I started watching it and it's weird because I so this is basically the premise of most of the first season and she you know as part of her quest to become a better person

as taught by her soul mate who's a quote-unquote soul mate who's an ethics professor when he was alive she decides to come out and reveal herself and then you know that becomes the plot of like how do we keep her in the good place and also part of the cosmology is like 99.9 of humanity even if you were like a pretty good person is in hell, which is just really dark, which I think was the first hint that the twist is coming because it's actually a very harsh cosmology.

And I should say, I didn't figure out the twist because I'm smart. I like read about enough things on the internet where I was like, oh, I see. And I just brought that up because it didn't ruin the show for me.

So on a whim, I watched the finale live, which is also just weird. It's like, it's a sitcom, but it has a forward-progressing plot and a very short season. So, like, important things happen in every episode.

Right. And on a whim, I was like, you know, I want to know what happens. I'm going to watch this live. And then the twist is that they are not actually in the good place. They are in an experimental version of the bad place. That is, everyone else is a demon,

and then the four main characters are, like, bad people, some of whom think they're good, some of whom know that they're bad people who are out of place. But like the idea is to basically psychologically torture them with like the ethical dilemma of, for example, I'm taking an actually good person's place here. How do I deal with that? Am I going to sacrifice myself? Whatever. Which is just – it totally unlocks Ted Danson's performance. What a deep, deep thing. I think maybe one of my favorite shots in all of TV is like, Kristen Bell figures it out, is like, oh, sure, because they can't actually swear, which is a great little detail.

They can't swear? You see his face just crack from like a, you know, sort of steady smile to just a like evil cackle. Oh, it's so good. And it's like he is, you know, he's revealing himself just a like evil cackle oh it's like he is you know he's revealing himself as a character for the first time and if you go back there all these easter eggs and really clever stuff in the first season but now in the second season which we're in the middle of i really love it because they don't try to replicate a sense of mystery but it just means that they can be so much like crazier and weirder and play around with how mutable the world is and how it could restart all the time yeah it's and it's still so fucking funny it's so fucking funny it's michael

sure so it's the parks and rec guy who also worked on the office and the writer's room is just insane megan amram's on there joe mandy court jefferson uh who uh last year uh demi yeah was on there uh who's oh yeah Demi was one of the writers and I'll say like one of the things I love about this show even before the twist is like it's a network sitcom

that is not about a family and it's not about a workplace and it's not about like a group of 30 something friends just trying to make it in the big city yeah which like in and of itself it is really hard

you think it's really hard to pull off and then you realize it like lets them do so much stranger jokes so many more things but it's the hard to pull off. And then you realize it like lets them do so much stranger jokes. So many more things. But it's the kind of show that only somebody who had like been on two other very successful sitcoms could have ever pulled off. Like because they never would have given them that much rope before. Like I don't think anyone but Michael Schur could have gotten this done like on network like right now.

And it's just so fucking funny. The performances are amazing, too. Like, Darcy Carden plays this character who's basically like if Siri was a real person who pops up every night. She's like Clippy. Yeah, she's like Clippy. Oh, man, shout out to Clippy. Yeah, shout out to Clippy. That's my second pick, by the way. And then, yeah, Kristen Bell's great in it.

Jamila Jamil is in it. Who is not an actress. She was like a TV presenter. And she totally holds her own against this insanely stacked cast. And she like. I will also say. Yes. No shade of Ted Jansen because this is absolutely true of him as well.

But the two younger men in that cast are very handsome. They're very handsome. Very handsome. Yeah. Ted Jansen handsome. They're very handsome. Very handsome. Yeah. Ted Danson handsome? Yeah, young Ted Danson handsome. Yeah, fully on that level. I like the way that sounds.

Say it again. And it's also- What? Ted Danson handsome. Ted Danson handsome? I don't want to get into handsome talks with you anymore. Don't bring it up then. Oh, he has some crazy, yeah.

Manny Jacinto is one of them, right? Who plays- And it's so funny because you don't even notice with Manny Jacinto because he's so good at playing a total fucking idiot. He plays this dude from like Tampa, or no, Jacksonville. He's Florida man as an actual character. And he's like, so he

plays this fucking idiot and then there's times when you're like, oh, this dude's gorgeous. And he's a funny actor, too. And he's wearing a monk robe the whole time, so he's really playing with a handicap. It's great. But yeah, Jamila, she's like my huge crush

where I'm just like, how is someone so beautiful? And then she's also like a really good actor. Totally holds her own on there and it's really funny. And then, yeah,

the guy who plays Chidi is William Jackson Harper. And he's amazing too. He was apparently big on the New York theater scene so I have some friends who are into that who are like,

oh, it's really great to see him like break out. That makes sense. But I mean, oh, it's really great to see him break out. That makes sense. But, I mean, and the way they're able to develop all these characters. So, like, the twist basically rests on you already know the Manny Jacinto character, Jason, and Kristen Bell's character, Eleanor, don't belong because they're obviously kind of shitty people. They're both, yeah, yeah. But the twist relies on you realize that Jameela Jamil's character, Millian Jackson Harper's character, so she's like this beautiful society, like hyper fundraiser. And you're like, oh, she's raised billions of dollars

for charity and she's super talented. That makes sense. She's here and he's an ethics professor. But then you grow to understand over the course of the season that they also have serious character flaws that would lead to them being in the hypothetical bad place or because they're not like the very best specimens of humanity. So he's chronically indecisive. She's really self-centered. And so when you find out that they're in the bad place, you're like, oh, that totally makes sense. And it works. And it's based on characters,

which is just a great way to operate your show. It's just so, it's like my favorite, it's probably my favorite sitcom for some sense Seinfeld. Really? Yeah. Like just those four. Like I sincerely think it is. It's so good. You want to watch it today? We could. I sincerely think it is. It's so good.

You want to watch it today? We could. I've got shit to do. Jumping in. Look, the first season's on Netflix. It's definitely one of those things where it's kind of designed to be binge later on streaming because right now the season is 13 episodes long. They've aired eight episodes, and now they're on a two-month hiatus,

which is the same period over which they showed the first eight episodes, and then they're going to finish the season, which just makes no sense. But those first eight have been purchased on our Amazon account on our Xbox. So it's all there. It's all there. So that's my first pick. And now, according to Serpentine draft order,

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Nailed it. I could... Okay, no. I it is time for my second pick. Nailed it. I could... Okay, no. I've got... Okay. All right. I have to take... I have to go from the world of television

to the world of music, and I have to go... Oh, shit. It's a hard... It's a hard pick. Hard. Hard pick. You got hard.

Tell... Please tell that story. All right. Sean, before I get to my second pick, our friend Sean Jordan, native of, I don't know if you brought, have you brought this up on the podcast? Are you from Sioux Falls? Yeah, I'm from Sioux Falls, South Dakota. He's from Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

I got a few t-shirts that say that. Breaking news, Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Go ahead. Take it away from here. It's the most embarrassing thing I've ever had in my life. I got beat into a gang when I was like 11 or 12. The Crips.

Nice. The South Dakota... The Sioux Falls, South Dakota Crips. South Dakota Cornhuts. Have you ever told this on a podcast? No, it's the most embarrassing. You can see that I'm like touching my face. I love it.

I love this story. This is the way to end 2017. But it paints me like a dick and I don't want... Everyone who's listening to this knows you're not a dick. You're the sweetest person in anyone's life. Also, little boys are dicks. That's what you do.

You set stuff on fire, and then you figure out what a conscience is. You're an angel, and you know that. You killed that drifter. And I had on a Dickies suit. I had a full Dickies suit on. What color was it, Sean? And I was in middle school. Navy blue.

And I think I had... He looked like a janitor. I think I had Carl Canais on. Yeah i had carl can eyes on yeah they probably thought i was like bring your kid to work day i had carl can i shoes on and this kid brian jensen i walked up and i slapped all of his shit out of his hands all of his books and i was like and i was looking just picture like a gangster with their chin out like their head kind of back and i was like pick your shit up picture a 12 year old like a young o dog yeah that doesn't look a thing like oh-Dog.

No, not even kind of. And I go, pick this shit up. And he stuck his shit out. And he goes, nah. And I was like, you got heart. And I walked away. And I had like 20 kids behind me. Oh.

Oh, I'm like, I'm turtling up. I'm so embarrassed. That is the best. How is it the same person? What did you think you were doing? You're like the only person in the world who is like, when I was 12, I was like in power. I was not being bullied. I was the bully.

I was the bully. Oh, I hate it. The rest of us in entertainment and media are on the other side of that spectrum. I love that you gave him a pass. You were like, you got heart and blood. You got heart. You got heart. Not even heart, hort with an O in it.

Somebody should hort me down and tattoo that on my forehead for doing that. It'll happen. Someone's gonna. The rest of the Sioux Falls Crips. So that, with my second pick, speaking of the Crips, I'm going to go ahead and take somebody who's not a Crip, somebody who actually put out a line of tennis shoes at one point. One blue, one red. So as to bridge that gap, a native of Compton,

Kendrick Lamar, and his album Damn, which came out this year. You know you're supposed to listen to it backwards? I do know that. And they just put out the Oh, you're supposed to like reorder it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story goes backwards. Okay.

But it's good. That album's great i got it's so good that song about his mom just like fuck man yeah i get it man it was just and for i know we've talked about this on the podcast before so we won't belabor it too much but david you and i not huge fans of like to pimp a butterfly it's not my it's not my album it's not my favorite i i recognize that people really love it and I believe them. I understand it's important. It's not the way I want to fuck with Kendrick so much. I understand it's important.

And I think this album did such a great, just because I don't, you know, like I like Thundercat okay, but like when I'm driving to a party, I don't want to listen to Thundercat so much. Here's what I'm saying. I don't love jazz. It did a good job of like splicing the importance,

as you put it, of To Pimp a a butterfly was sort of the catchiness and drive and momentum of good kid mad 100 he found like a great middle ground yeah it was perfect the two became one home video is incredible oh the videos are amazing yeah crazy good uh man if i could just get a karate suit. You got to get a karate suit. It would all change for me. In 2017, we're getting you a karate suit, blue dickie suit. Which is holy shit. I couldn't keep a straight face if I had a blue dickie suit on. I couldn't keep a straight face if you had a blue dickie suit on.

And I'm doing nunchucks going, you got heart. The video for Humble was amazing the video for DNA was amazing DNA was my favorite that was my favorite I liked that video the best

when they're all standing under that underpass and like the camera follows his head movement every time while he's rapping like that's a really cool shot and Don Cheadle shout out

Denver Mile High represent Don Cheadle he does kill it Cheadle and the Humble one yeah it's just such a great it's just a great I want loyalty with Rih just such a great it's just a great album Loyalty with Rihanna

is a great song yeah yeah you can just listen to it so many times like when it came out I just like ate off that for a week

also just whenever Rihanna shows up on anything to rap it's like hell yeah just make your rap album to rap we all want it she could do it

we all want it it would be great she doesn't care what we want boy that would be popular. That's why she is who she is. But she clearly wants to do it enough and she's doing it on a bunch of features. LeBron should say, okay, I'll finally

sleep with you if you make a rap album. And then we'd have five, six rap albums. I understand that they both have significant others or whatever, but that kid needs to be made for the world for the world a rihanna lebron baby she has a saudi prince that the paparazzi caught her fucking that's yeah that's a crucial difference which is because she's a boss yes because she's too good to be way it's lebron james or royalty right i've had that

like that thought before where i was like who would i be okay with rihanna like settling down and being in a power couple with and i don't have an answer it's hard because lebron there'd be the tragedy of his failed relationship it would haunt us yeah and that would bother everyone divorce right and then a repartnership right maybe that's how we need to do it. LeBron's wife is eaten by a whale. I feel it. LeBron quits the NBA to hunt that whale. But after two years, he never finds it. And he finally returns to port.

And Rihanna's there waiting with his kids. With a sign that says, the king's still going to be the king. Yeah, right. Exactly. And 23 written on her stomach and suntan. And the kids have already given their written approval. They're all like, I am fine with this. They sing a Edelweiss-style song from The Sound of Music about how much they love Rihanna. Rihanna is Maria for our times.

Yeah, so it was just great. Even though the album had U2 on it, which like anybody else would have been a weird curveball that would have ruined it. Yeah. It's so great. Kendrick made it. Yeah. It's still- So great. Kendrick made it work somehow. That's a Kanye move. It was a Kanye.

It is a Kanye move. Like putting Chris Martin on a song and you're like, okay. But I'm not married. I still like that song. Okay. Yeah. I'm coming home again. It is a good song.

I do like that song. But just the return to form, at least from, again, like not critically because everybody loved to pimp a butterfly, but like to the Kendrick that I hoped would come back at some But just the return to form, at least from, again, not critically, because everybody loved to pimp a butterfly, but to the Kendrick that I hoped would come back at some point. He was wrapping his ass off on Dam. Just wrapping his ass off. He was wrapping his ass off on Dam. Wrapping his ass off.

Like, wrapping. Wrapping, dude. Not that he wasn't on. I'm a big fan of people wrapping their ass off, and I feel like- You know what I said the first time I heard Dam? What? In my car, I go, he got heart. He got heart?

You know, not to bull anyone over with shock, but I am maybe not the world's most dedicated rap fan or informed rap critic. That's not true. I enjoyed this album. I greatly enjoyed this long play of musical

tracks. It was great. I loved it. It made me happy because it makes me feel like the next album is going to be a rappity rap rap album again. I hope so. I just want nostalgia part two. He's also at a really steady

clip. He's basically had a major release a year every year for like five years. He's like the Black Pearl. He's nigh a major release a year every year for like five years, right? He's like the Black Pearl. He's nigh uncatchable. Yeah. Nobody's, he's in his own league right now.

He's like headlining Coachella and doing like huge festivals, but also being weird. He's weird. Even on damn, he's fucking weird. He's super weird. Yeah. And he beat like everybody in his class. He beat everybody. I think he beats Drake as far as like going down in the halls.

He beat Drake on numbers and definitely on like, I mean, rapping ability. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because damn out did. By the way, I like Drake. I do too. I fuck with Drake heavy. But yeah, Kendrick out did him on every scorecard. He's the best one.

Yeah. Beat other rappers we will not mention. He's 30. Get out of here. Oh, God. I forget that. Out there in a karate suit. Just a tiny little man in a karate suit

wrapping his ass off. How did you even think to wear that karate suit? It's a crazy move. He's like, you know what I'm going to wear right now? And the visuals, he had like a Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon type video. I watched his Coachella set, and that was like broadcast behind him

on these huge screens while he was performing. Yeah, man, that guy. That's a good, that's a hell of a guy. We're lucky to have him. Hell of a guy right there. Hell of a guy right there.

We're lucky to have him. Good luck at the Grammys, Kendrick. He listens to this podcast. Sean Jordan, it's time for your second pick. All right. It's like an earthquake. Yeah.

I'm going to pick the star of Beetlejuice. Just go down through natural occurrences. The autumn. There was a tornado. I'm going to pick The Star of Beetlejuice. Just go down through natural occurrences. The Autumn. There was a tornado. I am picking, you fucking assholes, I'm going to pick The Big Sick. Oh, there you go.

Wonderful. See, I brought it back. See that? That's how you do it. Excellent plane movie. Excellent plane movie. Starring friend of the podcast, Kumail Nanjiani, and co-written by friend of ours, Emily Gordon.

Great person you are rooting for does good things. So much. It's also been funny. It's been so successful that a lot of people I talk to know him as the guy from The Big Sick, and at best, the guy from Silicon Valley who just happened to make this movie.

I feel like there are a lot of people who don't follow comedy or obviously in this case are in comedy who don't really understand that he was an actor. And I remember listening to him on a podcast tell this insane story of how he met his wife and what happened and being like, this is crazy. And to see them

actually get that out in the world was just so nice. And it's a perfect... I love romantic comedies. I absolutely love them. They got a heart, that's why. They break my heart sometimes. It's perfect. Ray Romano kills it. Holly Hunter.

God damn Hunter. Shout out to Kurt. Kurt was good in it. Also, I just want to say, by the way, we were at that premiere party, same camouflage shorts I was wearing. Ian dressed up real nice, me dressed like an idiot. I was trying to impress a girl at the time.

Yeah, I was clearly not. You strolled in with Lance Bangs wearing camo shorts. In a backpack. Camo shorts are impressive. Yeah, these very ones. These camouflage shorts. Ray Romano saw our boy in camo shorts. Or did he? They're camo shorts. He may not have seen you. I also feel like it's important to note for the audio record that these aren't like traditional military camo.

It's like an actual forest landing. Oh, I'm a real tree. I'm a real tree, guys. It's a tree stand. I'm rocking. This is real tree four. That's Big Buck Hunter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when you walked into the premiere, was it like the intro to Belly? Well, when I walk into any room, it's like the intro to Belly. It wasn't quite that blue. I just sing, cold, fresh air. Romano's like, I got levels, pal. Celebrity goes all the way up. And then Holly Hunter's like, male. In her weird southern accent.

She did so great. Zoe Kazan was great too. I will also say, I think like the thing that really elevated that movie for me and like made Emily's presence

behind it creatively felt was like all the stuff with Kumail was amazing. I was sobbing during his like stand-up breakdown. Oh yeah. But the fact that they

have her come out of it and be like, hey, to me, like I didn't go through any of this like emotional revelations i still just remember us having a giant fight right i need time to process that so like we're not just gonna magically get back together right it's not all good like right now just because you

went through went through some shit yeah and it ends on like obviously a hopeful note but like it's just to know yeah spoiler alert kamal went to montreal yeah kamal did go to montreal yeah that scene where he's doing at the bell that's definitely the bell house right yeah Spoiler alert, Kamau went to Montreal. Yeah, Kamau did go to Montreal. Kamau went to Montreal. Yeah. That scene where he goes in. He's doing stand-up at the Bell House. That's definitely the Bell House, right? Yeah. They shot in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think it was. That was the Bell House, right? I think so, yeah. Also, friend of the pod as well, Ramon Rivas. Oh, yeah. Big old accidental comedy sticker in that movie. That's right. Uh-huh.

Because they're just down for it. Yeah. I love it. It was such a good, everyone was so good. I mean, it made me reconsider Ray Romano completely. Because I never saw Men of a Certain Age or whatever. Oh, did you not see Vinyl? I didn't see Vinyl either.

The HBO series? I will say he was honestly good on a terrible show. Yeah. But that was sort of the beginning of like, it wasn't enough for me to be like, holy shit, Ray Romano. But it was enough to be like, he could act your bad. Oh, okay.

Ray Romano is low-key hilarious. Did you ever see that? It was a shitty movie. Oh, his stand-up is fucking amazing. His stand-up is amazing. Did you ever see him in that movie, The Grand? No.

With Woody Harrelson about that poker tournament? Uh-uh. God, dude, he's so, Ray Romano, that's like one of my, Ray Romano's so funny. Broke late as a stand-up too. Yeah.

Not late, late, but like, yeah. Yeah, like, he was like a grown man. Yeah, with kids. Yeah, he had kids and stuff. Little Dangerfield. The Big Sick is so good. I hope it gets, it got kind of snubbed at the Golden Globes. So, I think SAG did a good job with that, if I'm remembering the, like, award season Death March correctly.

Yeah. like award season Death March correctly so but yeah it's getting some snubs and like I'm hoping there's some momentum for maybe a Holly Hunter or a screenplay a nod would be great it would be awesome too yeah but yeah

yeah best original why not throw him a bone everybody liked it though it was received so well which is what I like about it like all the critics just loved it

and it got all the love it deserves and that's awesome and it did well commercially it did right for a movie with like I'm sure a tiny budget. Amazon is not always good

at handling like how to sell a good thing to the rest of the world. See Marvelous Mrs. Maisel which no one seems to know about. Hilarious. Is that how you've seen it? Amazing.

I watched the whole thing. I love it. I'm a fucking Amy Sherman Palladino head and I haven't seen it yet. Exactly. Case in point. But for this

they actually did like a really slow rollout. They built the word of mouth. It did well at the box office. And now you can just stream it on Amazon Prime, so you get the best of both worlds. Fucking fantastic. And I might this weekend.

It's the only movie I got to go to the Hollywood premiere of, which was a thrill. That's tight. That was awesome. I could tell you were jeans on, team strong. Team strong. He looked real cool. I was dressed up.

I was dressed up. I was dressed up. I was dressed up. I came from another party. That's why I didn't have time to put pants on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Emily gave me a hug, and I was like, I'm sorry I'm wearing shorts at your premiere. And she was like, I wouldn't like it if you weren't wearing shorts at my premiere. Emily's the best.

She's the coolest one. She's the coolest. God, Emily's the best. Come here. You know what I miss? They're both the best. I miss the meltdown. I do, too. We did best. I miss the Meltdown. Me too.

We did a show at Meltdown last night. Our friend, which was an amazing show, on deck. But God, it made me miss that scene. It was such a great vibe. And I understand that they are busy and have lives. But it's just so hard to build that sense of community from around us. Something good is coming, though. I can't even. What? I'll tell you guys after tell you guys after all right we have a lot to talk about but it was just like i

feel like for a lot of people who are either like literally in the industry or just like have followed him for a while it was just such a great feeling of like you were getting what you deserve you were getting the recognition you deserve the vehicle you deserved it's just a great the good vibes about it that's why i'm so yeah thrilled for them there's just good stuff just such fucking dope people when i first moved here because i never got to do the meltdown but i emailed emily just hey i live in la i'd love to do the show and she hit me back and i needed it she hit me back she's like sorry i didn't respond right away it was like a day later and she goes we'll definitely have you on um i think

you're very funny and i wouldn't say this if i wasn't i like i wouldn't lie to you and i think the best detail of that is she said sorry for not responding right away after a day yeah you are not obligated to say that in that very short period of time i don't say it till two weeks go by same here yeah sorry mom i was busy she's a fucking pro you email with your mom no No, we FaceTime. To whom it may concern, Ray. I watched David and his mom FaceTime once. It was the cutest thing I've ever seen. Aw, that's adorable.

She is awesome. Yeah, she rules. Speaking of moms, the parents in The Big Sick. What a great... Also, the dad is a massive Bollywood star. Is he really? Yeah, he's huge. And they got him

For this like Cute American movie Which is It was great That scene where he tells His parents They're not gonna get rid of him You're not kicking me

Out of the family Oh god Oh it's so good Flutters Maybe it's the hangover But I'm choking up a little bit I see you I see you wiggling

You know why? Cause it's David's second pick No cause you got heart dude Why y'all laughing? Why y'all laughing? Why? Because it's David's second pick. No, because you got heart, dude. Why y'all laughing? Why y'all laughing? David, it's time for your second pick. My second pick, maybe people are going to be mad.

I don't give a shit what you think about it. I'm picking the Ball family. Oh, fuck you. Fucking fuck you. Ball family. No. They beefed with the president? No. They beefed with Nas?

What? In one family? I'm newly qualified to speak on all matters relating to sport. I really enjoy them. Seriously though, put your shirt back on. They went to Chinese jail? These dudes are living!

Oh my god! They have a Facebook show? They have a Facebook show. Dad's teeth still fucked up. Still fucked up, dude. You're even on a LeVar Ball? I remember, I saw, did you see that video of LeVar Ball? I think he was leaving the draft and people are booing him and he just takes off his Big Baller brand cap

and just throws it into the crowd. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I bought a big baller t-shirt. Did it come to me? No. It cost $5,000. Exactly. But that's the distillation of the ball family in general. All this hype. All this

excitement. And then the t-shirt never comes. You're drinking so much snake oil. I'm going to drink it. He cut his hair off. Play him better. They're going to lift the weight. You don't care the one's shot is fucked up? I also don't know what that means. I'm going to drink it. He cut his hair off. Play him better. They're going to whip the wanker. He's not playing better. You don't care how long his shot is fucked up? I also don't know what that means.

I just know his shot is fucked up. His shot is fucked up. Ugly shot. Two points. Intangibles, though. Two points a game? No, he's better than that. He's better than two points a game, but he's not good.

Listen, man. He has a chance to shoot like 30% for the field goals. I mean, I don't want to get too, but like 30% for field goals, 50% from fucking the free throw line, and like 20% from three. He's also a rookie in the NBA! So is Donovan Mitchell! It also makes the Lakers exciting

again. It's fun to have like, also they're a hometown family. Like, they're out in Chino now. They all go to UCLA. I played the Lakers, so I'll never be able to separate them. Say goodnight to the bad guys. I have no partisan affiliation to any sports team. No, they fly no flag.

I've considered going to a Lakers game. That is the highest praise I can give. I haven't spent the money, but. I love it. Like just your dad was beefing with the president while you were beefing with Nas. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me?

All right. Are you kidding me? I like that turn he's like, all right, all right, all right. It's like, it's incredible. You can make a movie about this year of his life. It's like. You're beefing with Nas, your dad's beefing with the president, and your brother's beefing with China. Your brother's in Chinese jail.

Like, and your little brother just thought of- What's shoplifting? Who needs to shoplift? In China. Flash, what could you be shoplifting in China that is better quality than what you could buy in America? I've thought this a lot. No offense to China.

I've run this over around in my head. If I was in China and then all my friends were stealing and I was on a trip, I'd probably steal too. Yeah, I'd steal too. I mean, I get it in the friend zone, but then that's still the same question. What were the friends stealing? Why? You know, just young roundheads.

They were stealing Gucci shit. They were. They were stealing high-end luxury items. You know what? Oh, okay. Maybe those aren't good friends. Maybe you need to think about that. Hey, maybe you'd chill out.

Next time you're in fucking China, David. Somebody on one of the Ringer Basketball podcasts had the idea that maybe he was shoplifted from China because he knew his dad was going to pull him out of UCLA and pull his brother out of high school to go make them play overseas. And they didn't want to go to China. They don't look that. Oh, my God. In Ringer plugs, I will say one of the first features we ran was about the Ball family when like Lonzo hadn't even gone to college.

Yeah. And by one Danny Chow, friend and colleague. But I just knew of them as like the subject of this very scholarly, very detail oriented feature about form and Steph Curry's influence. And then they just became like this crazy pop culture phenomenon. I was like, I love it,

man. I love that they're a unit too i mean say what you will about lavar ball that man believes in his kids he does believe in what i mean but is it i mean like he went to he went to the lakers like he did it for whatever you could say about that dude he did it man yeah danny chow's got all the la food plugs right is he yep how do you get on? That's correct. Is there a Patreon? Okay. Well, all three of us will go out for a drink sometime.

Yes. All right, cool. You'll see him in action. I just want to plug on the good restaurants in LA. Anyway, I guess if we're going to respect the Kardashians, we do have to respect the Balfe. Here's what I admire about the- That story's not told either yet.

I appreciate the Balfe is like the male Kardashians. Yeah. I kind of think that's what it is. They're like the masculine answer to- They're from somewhere just outside of LA. Yeah. Yeah, but still definitely in its orbit. Yeah, and they're subverting the system.

Here's what I respect about the Ball family. Is that like, I mean, that they were going to be taken advantage of by the NCAA, which is a horrible institution. Yeah, 100%. And like LeVar was like, you're not doing that to me. We're going to make our own fucking money.

Yeah, they're not getting raided by the fucking FBI. Right, exactly. And like LeVar was like, you're not doing that to me. We're going to make our own fucking money. Yeah, they're not getting raided by the fucking FBI. Right, exactly. And he did the same thing with the shoe companies who are also getting raided by the FBI. He's like, no, we're not,

Nike, we're not going to make 10 cents for every dollar that Nike makes. Also, amazing Kenan Thompson character. That's 100%. He is so good at playing him.

He really is. It's so perfect. I'm worried that in doing all this, LeVar is, like Lonzo I think is going to be okay and we'll figure it out. Lonzo will be fine. And will be a serviceable NBA player.

I'm worried about like LaMelo and LiAngelo. I think LaMelo is right. I just love hearing those names. I think LaVar is right about LaMelo. I think he was going to be a one and done or whatever. LaMelo is never going to be an NBA player anyway. LiAngelo worries me. Because he's like. He's a young one.

I feel like he loves it too. Like Lonzo is very much, like when you see Lonzo's videos and stuff, it kind of feels like he's not like with the circus as much as they are. He's riding the wave. He's not getting caught up in it. Yeah, but LiAngelo is like, like LiAngelo looked cooler than Lonzo on Lonzo's traffic. Immediately, yeah. He had that red, like, Leangelo's with the shit. So like, but who knows?

But now he's 16 and gotta go live in Lithuania. I hope it turns out, but I'm like this is like maybe letting him go to high school. Yes, take a dip in the Baltic Sea. Vilnius. Right in time for January, too, is when they're gonna get there. Is that when they get there?

You know, I've heard St. Petersburg is a short ferry ride away. Right? They could go shoplift in Russia. It's going to be great. Let's do some shit over there. I'm like, okay, so he's not going to get to be a kid now. Was he ever going to be a kid? That's a good question.

Maybe. I mean, I don't think that's like a kid-friendly household. No, that's true. Yeah. I don't know. I hope it all don't think that's like a kid-friendly household. No, that's true. Yeah. I don't know. I hope it all turns out for the best. I hope it seems to be in the Kardashians. I'm so worried it's going to be like a tragic American tale at some point.

We'll see. I mean, it's still being written because they're definitely learning as they go. But they have been, to your pick, one of the most intriguing pop culture stories. It really has. It's been. Yeah. It goes. It's been a wave.

The eclipse. The eclipse. The concept of snow. The Ball family. Sexual harassment. And then sexual harassment. I'm glad that we all finally agree that the eclipse was the most important thing that happened to popular culture this year.

Yeah. Sort of a news situation. I ain't wrong. You're wrong. Okay. Do I get to go? Second. And then a news situation. I ain't wrong. You're wrong. Okay. Allison, it's time for your second and then your third pick. I'm generally not on board with the competitiveness factor here,

but I'm just going to go ahead and rub it in your faces because I feel like this is a very obvious pick. I feel like this is a very strong addition to my slate. I already picked the Eclipse, though. Next to the Eclipse, Get Out. Damn it! haven't gotten to it. Next to the eclipse, Get Out. Damn it. Oh, yeah. Damn it.

That was my next one. See, I was shocked. When you were winding up to Bode Gello, I was like, okay, we're going to talk about Get Out. Ball Family would have been on the board still, I think. Yeah. It was a bad call. I don't know if Allison was going to take the Ball Family.

Yeah, that's my next one. Sorry. It was a damn bad call. I will say about Get Out, I heard good things about it, but it was a damn bad call i will say about get out i heard good things about it but it was so incredible to see a movie that is not a piece of ip like star wars and marvel yeah to actually enter the monoculture like people were making because it's so smart and insightful and comes up with such an amazing you know allegory in the final twist that like within a week people were making memes about the sunken place and the spoon

and the way that they're instantly Shout out to black Instagram by the way for those sunken place Oh yeah. I mean Is there anything more powerful than black Instagram and black Twitter? No. There is nothing I owe them an enormous debt. This is like they are being

subsidarily honored by this pic but it's because the final like metaphor that is revealed is so good, but also just the experience of watching that movie in a crowded theater was like, you legitimately, the whole time I'm like, where is this going? What am I doing?

And I kept trying to guess where all the hints are dropping. I genuinely was so surprised, but they keep you so engaged. Just like the script is so tight yeah it's so and you can tell he's been writing it since the obama administration and it's weird because like in a certain way it's kind of out of date now that like our present political moment is so engaged with like overt racism right right but it just struck such a chord and it was so

amazing to see a movie be able to do that and basically make all its young cast. That was Alison Williams' first film role. Daniel Kaluuya was the guy from that Black Mirror episode, and now he's going to be a star. He was so good in that. Caleb Landry Jones is in everything. Yeah, he is. What a move for Jordan Peele, too. I know.

I remember that's a rel. Yes! Maybe the best casting was like Avatar of white liberal idealism Josh Lyman as the evil dad was incredible. That movie was the scariest movie I've ever seen. But funny, I have no problem with it submitting as a comedy for the Golden Globes. I was like, I laugh more at that than I did at Rough Night. I laughed, but also

it was scary. I don more at that than I did at like rough night. I laugh, but also like, it was scary. Like, I don't know for me personally, it was scary from beginning to end. Like him walking on that street and be like, you're not going to fucking get me. And you're just like, and then like being out there with, you're like out there and you're like, this is scary that I'm out here. And then the one person I'm supposed to rely, I get stressed. I'm just stressed talking about it. Like it was so, so bro that chord was a chord i never thought i mean that moment in a movie theater where the police car pulls up

you see the look on her face you see the look on his face you let they let it sit for like five seconds and then lil rel gets out was like i sort of i saw some tweet earlier that was sort of like oh it was really cool to be in the theater and like all the black people like gassed instead of cheering when the cop car showed up. And I was like, I, the Arclight Hollywood, very white audience. Like the magic of that movie to me was that everyone in that theater who wasn't black, like got what it was supposed to mean because that movie is so good at instilling you in his perspective.

It's direct. And that's, what's so inspiring about, like, I know a lot of its box office success was due to black audiences, but it's also like, if just a white middle American casual moviegoers like, Oh cool.

I like horror. I like thriller. And then just like gets this message. That's cool to me. It was, yeah, it was, man,

it was the best movie I saw this year. It was great. Scared the shit out of me. And just, Rel is the best movie i saw this year it was great scared the shit out of me and just rel is the best rel is i'm so happy if you guys ever get to hang out with little rel he's the coolest dude so is jordan what is jordan peele now is he mike nichols is he like woody allen a twilight zone series for cbs all access which seems like a bizarre follow-up to me all acts yes the weird blue-leg streaming service that has the Star Trek thing that no one watches,

which is good, but no one watches it. I can't fully comment on CBS All Access. Can't either. No comment. As an employee of the all-seeing eye, but I don't get it. I can't fully comment. It seems like a weird mood.

Both of their shows are great, but they're asking people to pay. It's like that and the 24-hour feed of The Big Brother. Yeah. Yeah, it's the Good Wife spinoff. And you can watch all the CBS shows, but it's the Good Wife spinoff. But it's like instead of, I think you need to build up a critical mass of programming where people are going to pay six bucks a month and not even not have commercials.

Yeah. It's really crazy. Yeah, it's a weird move. Yeah. Hulu with commercials is the same amount of money. Yeah, it seems like a weird move. Very wild. Great sketch actor, very funny actor himself, but now moving into directing, it's going to be interesting to see where his career goes.

What happens with that guy? Yeah. So is he directing the Twilight Zone thing? So I think he's writing and probably directing some of it, but it's a little more like the voice behind.

Yeah. And then I think, doesn't he have something with Spike Lee that they're collaborating on? Oh, there's a joint coming up? There might be a joint coming up.

There's a joint. I'm going to be honest, Spike Lee's like 50-50 for me at this point. Yeah, but she's got to have it. She's got to have it. You wrote about that recently, Yeah, I think it starts strong. She's got to have it. You wrote about that recently, right? Yeah, I think it starts strong and it's really interesting

and it's smart to try to like, it serves a theme of it better to like expand it. So like in the movie, she's always like, I'm more than these men, but like you only ever see her interacting with men and the show is like, you see more of her life. You see more, because I've seen the movie, I've never seen the show.

I still haven't watched the show. Yeah, like take your time with that, it's not super urgent, but it's more like the show expands it in a way I really liked, but it tries to update it in a way that's like, this does not resonate with me. Is Mars a white guy? No, he's

a half black, half Puerto Rican. Okay. Which I actually, that I liked. Like, they, the way they update the characters makes a lot of sense. Right. But tonally, they could have used some 20-somethings in that writer's room. Okay. I think.

That is my take. But anyway, Get Out was wonderful. I can proceed to the next pick if you want. Your third pick? Yeah. I think that was strong. I think that gives me, in this fake competition, I think I have the upper hand right now. There's no such thing as a fake competition.

Okay. Whoa, put your shirt back on. I feel like it's the TV, or no, wait. Actually, I'll get to TV later. Okay. My favorite movie of the year. Will you, though? We'll get to it.

Will you? Well, you're either going to steal my pick or I'm going to get to it first. So my favorite movie this year, I love Get Out. It's definitely my top 10. I still think my current favorite is Call Me By Your Name. I still haven't seen it. I haven't either. All right.

Well, I'm just going to sell it to you, and that's going to be the whole extent of the banter. Please do it. Yeah, I'm in. Not a great podcast bit. No, I think it will be. Of course. So you guys do the – you know the plot.

It's a gay coming-of-age story adapted by a novel. Armie Hammer's 142nd Chance. Armie Hammer does some dancing. It's great. You got the plot. It's a gay coming-of-age story adapted by a novel. Armie Hammer's 142nd Chance. Armie Hammer does some dancing. It's great. He got the moves. But it's also funny because I know the director, like, not personally, but I know his work. He's, like, an Italian arthouse guy. His last movie was the one where, like, Tilda Swinton basically plays David Bowie.

It's also a movie about rich people lounging around at a vacation destination with an iconic dance scene. I'm into that. He's got some interest. He's got some motifs. And then the other one of his I'm Watch is called I Am Love, which is like in Italian and Tilda Swinton is in it. Like not even just like not populist fair.

It's not even like he was getting Academy Award nominations. It's like a perfume commercial. And now because I think it's like a socially – because it's not even like he was getting academy award nomination it's like a perfume commercial and now because because i think it's like a socially because it's like quote-unquote socially conscious and it has themes that resonate are underrepresented this is getting like so much exposure i think it's like probably it's better but like everyone should go back and check out his older stuff yeah but like chalamet is a revelation. It sucks that he's going to have to run against Daniel Day-Lewis's retirement performance. Final movie, right? Yeah.

Yeah, man. He's going to get so screwed, but it's amazing. Sufjan Stevens composed like original music for the soundtrack. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah, there's a couple of songs on it that's just like Timothée Chalamet like moodily staring into the distance while like sad gay folk tunes play over it it's great um and it's just like a movie like the reason why people love it so much is that it's a gay love story where it doesn't actually feature like a gay bashing conspicuous homophobia the

parents are supportive and it's just so purely it's also like not really an issues movie it's just an incredibly specific love story about these two people at this one moment in time in this one place and like you get to know them as individuals it's also interesting that it's directed from a novel because you know how like when you watch all those movies based on novels and you're like there are five paragraphs of voiceover like oh yeah it's very obviously like lifted straight from a book it's such a visual movie that i was like i can't even picture what the book is like because it's so much about his visual language and there's not a lot of dialogue. Right.

And apparently a lot of the book is the younger kid's sort of internal monologue. And it's very impressive that he chooses to communicate that by, like, gestures. And that, like, Chalamet can, like, wear that, like, an act of that internal. Oh, and Armie Hammer is amazing in it. And maybe the least Jewish Jewish movie ever made. Are they Jews in it? Exactly.

Armie Hammer is a Jew? All three of them are Jews. Exactly. Apparently Armie Hammer in real life is half Jewish. What? He says that. Armie Hammer is half Jewish?

Armie Hammer is half Jewish? Fuck me up. But okay, my friend I saw with Kinect, the friend I saw with Kinect justified to do this.

There is a close-up shot of a star of David Pendant, like, nestled in Armie Hammer's chest hair, and I just lost my shit. Oh, my God. I was, like, screaming laughing in the theater. And then at another point, he's giving Timothée Jalamé, like, a foot massage, and he's like, my bubby taught me how to do this. And you're like, those two words should not be coming out of your mouth. taught me how to do this. And you're like, those two words should not be coming

out of your mouth. And also, it's great that it's a gay story that's defined by a lack of guilt or shame, but a Jewish story without guilt or shame is just not a Jewish story.

It isn't a Jewish story. Exactly. It's not. That's that new shit. Armie Hammer is like an Aryan wet dream. How is he? Exactly.

I guess good that he's half Jewish. So apparently his mom is like a straight Trump supporter, but the Hammer side of his family is like fancy European Jews who got rich. The Hammer side. They did go Hammer side.

I wish I had a Hammer side to my family. Well, the Hammer family is off the Hammer family. All over Los Angeles, they were a rich LA family. The Hammer Museum. The Hammer Museum. Over at UCLA. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah. Same family. Wow. But also just like an incredibly erotic movie yeah like you could hear a pin drop

in that movie theater because it's so sexy everyone's getting a little worked up everyone was getting everyone was like very uncomfortable and like not making

eye contact with their seat mates if they were there with friends or family which is just a great like thing to bear witness to but I'm pulling for it. Of all this year's prestige Academy Award contenders, that's my one.

That's your favorite? Yep. We just got the screener at home, so as a Writers Guild member, I will watch it alone and then destroy it. And then destroy it. Throw it into the fire. And then destroy it. I love that.

Hey, we got screeners at my house. Sean, come over. We'll give a shit. You need to watch it and destroy it. I love that. Hey, we got screeners at my house. Sean, come over. We don't give a shit. You need to watch it and destroy it. They track them personally. They didn't even send it to me. They track them personally now.

I love that. Oh, do they really? Yeah. They're attacking. Wait, what do they track? Like the number of times you watch it? No, the DVDs are now,

at least this is what the letter said that they sent with us. Are you serious? They are now linked to you personally. So if they show up online. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what TV

screeners are like. Yeah, personal watermarks. So if it shows up online, they're like, oh, now you're out of the guild. Yeah, that happens, but I've definitely shared a password one or two times. I've absolutely handed them out as though they were Christmas presents in previous years. There may or may not be a screener sharing bank

in a ringer office. It's just a lending library system. Yeah, there might be a counter at the Late Late Show that's also that same thing. Zach's probably making weird Instagram videos of the screeners. I know, I'm gonna have to talk to that guy.

Call him by your name. We will see it. David, it's time for your third pick. Oh, this is mostly personal, but then it was a big pop culture thing too. 4-4-4. Oh, this is mostly personal, but then it was a big pop culture thing, too. 4-4-4. Oh, hell yeah. Please, come on.

The Ringer's album of the year. What? Yeah. Rob Harvilla put it at the top of his list. I'm just being really professionally dutiful and making all the plugs right now. I love it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had Jason Concepcion on.

Didn't mention the Ringer once. I'm just a better employee than Jason is, you know? He tore up a picture of Bill Simmons like Sinead O'Connor on his phone. It was crazy. And child abuse. And then he tore it. It was crazy. Child abuse.

Bill Simmons. I love that album. Oh, yeah, it's great. I love the concert. Yeah, I love the concert. I love that album. It was just like, man, just story ofj just like there was so much going on and then that little movie he made for it yeah and it was just like because i like downloaded it

illegally sorry jay oh sorry i paid to see you dude you know i downloaded it illegally that night and me and my buddy johan just drove around hollywood and we listened to it like three times i was in new y York the night it dropped. And I forget who texted me. Somebody, you wouldn't even, it might have been like Carl Hess or somebody. Like, out of the, like, 444 just dropped. And I'm like downloading crazy apps on my phone to get it. Like, shit, I probably shouldn't have done.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you're like, we're fucking driving around New York listening to 444. Like, in New York. What a fun deal. It's like, and it's like, it's like and it's like it's like because you know i love you know i love all his albums obviously except for like the dynasty yeah whatever but uh it was just like when you listen to it you can tell that it's the album that took a lifetime to make yes you know what i mean like it's like whether or not it's his best album

that's not the point it was like this is his life's art to this point yeah this is as far as he's this is where he's at compared to where he's been and it's just like that dude wrote big pimpin i know like that's the crazy when you're like damn that the video where they're pouring champagne all over and it's like but i've grown up like i it's like really close it's like personally like like I've, he's all, he's been a constant in my life. Yeah. So it's, like, I went from Big Pimpin' to 4442. For sure.

You know what I mean? Feel yourself grow up a little bit. Yeah, like, I went to, like, being, like, when I was a kid, I remember watching the Big Pimpin' video being, like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. You know what I mean? Like, just because, like, and then you get older, and then it was, like, Blueprint dropped, and you're, like blueprint dropped and you're like fuck man this is like so cool this is where he's at and then just like so to get where we are now is just like it's just so good is there like an analogous point and so i just feel like it's such a uniquely 2017 thing for like a middle-aged rapper to be able to come out and be like this is how i've matured as a man. Yeah. And like, this is how my attitudes towards women have shifted.

Like, I just feel like that's such untrodden territory. It is. And he proved that there's like a whole different type of album that can be made. He's proving how to be a middle-aged rap star. It's coming, though. Rap is so new. This is the first, like, this is only the second generation of rappers who have been this old and still been in the limelight.

Yeah. Because the early guys fell off. Uh-huh. Like, the first rappers fell off when they got old. Or died. Or died or just whatever. His image is so like inextricable from Beyonce's at this point. And last year was the Lemonade year.

And I remember that dropping. And like, you know, after the initial like fear cooled down and we were like, oh, this was definitely released like fully with Jay-Z's permission. It wasn't like a screed. But also like she, half the album wasn't like a screed. But also like she, half the album is calling him a piece of shit.

And then you're kind of like, where do you go from there as an extension of this? Well, that was, everyone were like, is this like the case, so it's no more Jay-Z? Like that's kind of what people thought. Like I need to express that.

There's never gonna be no more Jay-Z. True. But it felt like it for a minute after Lemonade where you're like. Yeah, it was like you wondered what was going to happen. Because the pop culture, I mean, the collective conscious swirled around Beyonce so fervently. But it is amazing. The way that rap is growing at both ends, with the older people putting it.

2 Chainz is pretty old, and he's putting out amazing music. 2 Chainz is old, yeah. Jay-Z, I mean, i mean this album yeah completely showing us how like a rapper can be like in his 40s and contending with like real life issues i think he's on the forefront of that like i think that kanye kind of got is lost in the sauce maybe right now a little bit like i think he'll come back i think he'll come back next year 2019 yeah 100 yeah but like right right like right now as far as as what older rappers are doing and where it can go and stuff, he's the one pushing it forward.

And it was just like, for rap, it was just like a big, cool thing. Great production by No I.D. Yeah. Killed it on there. Shit, it was so good. And then like- Even live. The songs he did live.

Oh my God. He was so good live. Man. It was nuts. The fact that I heard his tour was having trouble selling in portland and like i like his here's not selling that well like anywhere just in general the three of us could add if you're like if you like jay-z at all go see this fucking tour it's amazing he did everything i wanted i just talked to helen she got a ticket for 43

dollars to go in portland spendend the $43 to go. I mean, just it's wild. It was such a good concert. Yeah. And it was just, yeah, great album by my favorite rapper. And it was just like, it was right on time. He just, yeah, it was so good. The third verse, like, I mean, going back to what you were saying about this is the same dude who did like Big Pimpin'. Yeah.

And then like the third verse on the song 444 where he's just like and if my children knew i don't even know what i would do if they didn't look at me the same i would probably die with all the shame you did what with you you did what with who what good is a menage a trois when you have a soulmate you risk that for blue if i wasn't a superhero in your face my heart breaks for the day i have to explain my mistakes and the mask goes away and santa claus is fake and you go online and see for blue's tooth the tooth fairy didn't pay like it's fuck man like he's talking about all that for blue is like the line of the year i have like goosebumps just from

like thinking about that he's oh man he's so it's like hard to like not get or he's just so good and he's like he just understands where he's at as an artist yeah and like he's really in tune with like what he feels like he needs the music he needs to put out it wasn't even a long album and i played it forever and like and it had like bam was a banger yeah you know yeah and story of oj like that's still i still listen to that song yeah but like yeah he uh i didn't mind the low-key anti-Semitism. I don't think he meant it that way. I don't think so either.

He also has said that before on other songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blow tight like I was born Jewish. We're not at a great time for anti-Semitism in pop culture. No. But that one didn't really register for me. Me neither. I heard it and I was like, ah, it's fine.

Jay-Z, fine for the Jews. How do you think? He's just fine. It's weird because he's like saying the Jews own all the property. It's not true. It's not wrong. Yeah, yeah. We own a lot of it.

You know who gets protested at all the fucking anti-landlord shit in Crown Heights? Yeah. Like, it's all asshole Orthodox Jewish landlords. Yeah. They give us all a bad name. I listen to a Disaster American Life about that. That's neither here nor there. You leave us cultural Jews alone, though.

We don't own anything. We don't own anything. All we own is like- We're as buried by a student dead as everyone else. We're fine. I don't even own these shirts. You know how the cultural Jews own all the cool jackets? Credit. I don't know.

They got lids a lot. What do we even have? But yeah, 444 was such a great album. Yeah, really good. Yeah, tour was great. I loved it. And again, an exciting way to see what older rappers can be. Because he is, I mean, not to dwell on it for too long,

because of course we're running along already as it is. Oh, God. So rap is young, but it's not as young as, it's like, I mean, so if rock and roll started in what, the mid-50s? Rap started in the late 70s. Late 70s. So we're now in like, you know, we're approaching 40 years of rap.

So when, this is like the 90s for rock, right? I mean like. Yeah, I guess. The early 90s. So it's like amazing that rap is still growing in that way. It definitely- And younger rappers, too, are getting weird and doing weird shit. Rappers just started taking drugs.

Yeah. Remember growing up? Rappers never talked about doing- Well, and I saw- Ever. They did cocaine, maybe. Ever. Cocaine and weed, maybe.

It was like 3-6 Mafia talked about coke a little bit, but no rappers talked about doing drugs. Yeah, other than Curtis Blow and them. But that was selling drugs. That was all selling a little bit. Yeah. But like no rappers talked about doing drugs. Yeah. Other than like Curtis Blow and them. Yeah. But that was selling drugs. That was all selling drugs. Yeah. White Lines was like, they were doing coke, but that song's about like, hey, don't do cocaine.

You know what I mean? Even though he was doing cocaine. Even though it was straight up doing cocaine. A lot of coke. Yeah. Yeah. I like the nice rap too. Like how rap has kind of moved into this realm of we're going to rap about nice things.

Oh, like the kids? Yeah. Yeah. Just that we're going to be happy. I don't super understand the kids because they're saying grimy shit with a big smile on their face still. I don't trust them. Yeah, like Yachty's really smiling.

I'm not going to give you a bunch of money and ask you to deposit it for me. Yeah, sometimes you listen to what he's saying, and you're like, oh, this is still like- Gully. Yeah, same with like Young Thug. Misogynistic Gully shit. Yeah, I'm like, oh, Young Thug is just like saying shit. Yeah. And you're like oh no

he said he just bought a Bentley and a bitch came with it yes so he was wearing a beautiful Yves Saint Laurent dress he's a beautiful

relationship with his fiance yeah doesn't he also only eat candy and then like no he gets like nutrients via like

shots in his butt really he's a weird that's a weird fellow I mean my friend once remarked to me that he's like I feel like young thug is like our version He's a weird, that's a weird fella. I mean, my friend once remarked to me that he's like, I feel like Young Thug

is like our version of like a Prince or a David Bowie where you're like, that guy's an alien. Yeah. That guy is not a human being. Yeah,

it's a weird thing. And it's cool that that person can be a rapper where he used to be like a rock star or an R&B star and now it's like,

now it's a student Atlanta. Rappers can be weird? Oh, it's the best. Rappers weren be weird? Oh, it's the best. Rappers weren't weird before? No, Yachty's weird as fuck. That's why all the old guys are freaking out so much,

I think. Yeah, right? Because they're like, we had to wear Timberlands at the beach. Right. Are you guys just out here?

You're wearing swim trunks and yellow sherbets. That SNL sketch where Pete Davidson plays, I think his character's name is like Lil Doo Doo. Oh yeah,

But it's like the SoundCloud rapper versus like the super old school guys. Yes. And my friend was like, this sketch is kind of better as a piece of rap criticism

than comedy. All right. But it is a good piece of rap criticism. And shout out to Zach Fox on Twitter who made that joke first and it's one of those

weird SNL, like, did they steal it? I didn't see that. I'm sorry. Oh please no. Of course it's not your fault. If it was stolen that sucks. It was a funny sketch but it was like it's one of those things where like SNL did it. Is it just a shared

observance or did like one of their writers like on coke at four in the morning see that tweet. You know. Man we're going a lot of directions today. I know. A lot of shots fired for the last one of the year. SNL steals a lot of directions today I know a lot of shots fired for the last one of the year SNL steals a lot of shit

yeah they do they do and they always have but like that's Marissa can you edit a flame on top of that like an air horn

yeah scream head go beef. Young flame guy. No shade on anyone who works at SNL or anything like that. But like, I mean, yeah. I mean, they've done that shit. Because they have, I mean, because it's a.

That is a machine. It's a machine. I don't understand why anybody wants that shit. It's a desperate machine. Dude, that job seems so hard. So hard. Like, it's not. Sean, you're the third pick.

We're going to pick the Oscars blunder for this picture. Oh, the moonlight. Fucking insane. I picked La La Land last year, and I feel like weirdly Vinny. So we can talk about the actual event which was crazy but like now La La Land is not the evil

white movie that took Moonlight's Oscar and I think the event the brouhaha kind of sucked because it eclipsed like we were talking more about the wrong

announcement than the fact that a one million dollar indie movie about black gay love in Miami won best picture at the Oscars

right which is wild. By a second-time director. And that's what's so fascinating about that blunder is because it was almost like that La La Land, like, fuck you, La La Land,

and then it wasn't. It was good for both movies. It was crazy. It was really the best outcome. Yeah. Can I say, maybe controversial opinion, man, I really hated La La Land.

You didn't like it? Not a controversial opinion at all i mean i did i saw it specifically because everybody was talking about it was like that or moonlight i saw moonlight and i was like saw that twice and then i was like well we'll go see la la land saw with my boy johan miranda one more time and uh fuck i hate it you hate it oh my i just like because i saw i hadn't seen moonlight and was like, this is just like white people dancing in the sky. Okay. I literally gave, there's an event called.

And then he stole, like John Legend was the bad guy. No, he's not. No, he is not. Okay. I literally gave a whole, I gave a whole, there's an event called Drunk Ed, formerly Drunk Ted Talks. And I gave a whole speech called La La Land is good, actually. Wherein I white swain la la land but i literally if you read the script i think john legend is supposed to be right like what he says is correct what the music he makes like is in the script it's

literally like this is good music right and like if you look at it i think the best way to view the film is like it's about an episode in Emma Stone's life. And it's kind of a – I see it as like it's a movie about how you can be in a relationship that's good for you but is not meant to be forever. And so he's just like this guy she dated that ends up like owning a club. But like she's a movie star. Right. So like I don't think it was supposed – I'm like a big defender of it on the Whitesplain Jazz. So I don't think it was supposed, I'm a big defender of it on the Whitesplain Jazz front,

because I don't think, Damien Chazelle's first movie is literally about how asshole dude bros ruin jazz with their ego contest. That is what Whiplash is about. So I think he knows what he's talking about. So Ryan Gosling's supposed to be kind of a putz, with bad opinions.

He's a huge putz. I don't know, and I'm sure there are a lot of a putz, like with bad opinions. Oh, he's a huge putz. Yeah. I don't know. And I'm sure there are a lot of reasons. I just like watching it, just on a visceral level, I just was like. Is it because we just make Gosling a hero because he's so handsome and we want to root for him so we assume he's the hero in the movie? Although he was great. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just while we're praising Gosling, I thought he was so good in Blade Runner 2049. I still haven't seen that. Oh, my God. I saw it't seen that. Oh, my God. I saw it twice in theaters. Watch Alone and Destroy. So wonderful. I should have seen it in theaters. It was a busy time.

It was a good theater movie. But, yeah, I was so glad Moonlight won. And it was also just, again, while we're talking about monoculture, it was, like, one of those things where you're, like, I'm so glad I'm watching this live. And it can't be captured in, like, the next, winter roundups, it was like, oh, shit. Like something really bad just happened. One of those things like, is this real? At least you were glad you were watching TV. It was nuts, man.

Just seeing it live, like they really fucked up like that? Yeah. That actually happened? And then you start all the conspiracy theories coming out? So where do you place the blame? I mean, what was the whole thing? They gave him the wrong envelope? Is that what everybody landed on? Well, but the D that what everybody kind of deflected it to fade down away?

Yeah. But I just think like no one was really at fault. There was some mistake. And now that we have so much distance from it, it's fine. Yeah. But it was just one of those things that's like, Oh,

even with like everything is micromanaged and you think, you know, everything. And there was sort of like wall in one so much that night and you just thought like, okay, that's it. It's just happening.

And you can still be like shocked. And I think you're also seeing the after effects of Moonlight winning on this current Oscar race. Like it is kind of crazy that like Florida Project, Call Me By Your Name, Get Out, like all of those being

in the front runner conversation feels like a direct outgrowth of that movie being able to do so well at the Oscars. I like those. Oh, go ahead. No, you go ahead. I like those people Oh, go ahead. No, you go ahead. I like those people that, it was Clint Eastwood, right?

Who was reading it? It was Fade Out Away and Warren Beatty. Yeah, Warren Beatty. I like the people that thought that it said Moonlight, and he was just like, fuck that. Because there were people who straight up thought he was like, nah. That was just called an audible of them? I think, I think,? I think I have faith enough in Annette

Benning to think that she's like brainwashed him into being a good dude. I think he liked Moonlight. I think he

totally. I think Warren Bain is probably a pretty decent guy. That's not Bullworth. That's just

such a crazy theory to me. No he did not. I think people think that everything in show business and stuff is like a lot more

loosey-goosey than... You know what I mean? Yeah. Nah. Nah, la la land. They think that with the Oscar for that What's Her Face one for My Cousin Vinny, too. Oh, with Marissa Tomei? Yeah, that somebody like fucked up.

It's insane. The Moonlight Come Up. Excellent pick. Yeah. In the interest of time, I will now make my third and then fourth picks. As it is.

A serpentine draft. It is a serpentine draft. So with my third pick, I'm going to go back to television, but I'm not going to take, I wonder if any of us will take it.

Yeah, okay. I say you should just go ahead and take it. All right, I'll take it so we can talk about it. I have a long list. I have options. I'm not going to take it. Yeah, okay. I think you should just go ahead and take it. All right, I'll take it so we can talk about it. I have a long list. I have options. I'm not going to take it.

I'm going to take something else. All right. Because I've got to play the strategy. I'm taking the Defiant ones, the HBO documentary. Oh, interesting. Yeah. You know, I watched the intro and really didn't like it. Yeah.

And then I didn't finish it. It's so good. Tell me why it's so good. It is. I mean, it's just an amazing story. Once it kind of gets away, like Jimmy Iovine is like the crux of the beginning part of it. So tell me why it's so good. It is. I mean, it's just an amazing story. Once it kind of gets away, like Jimmy Iovine is like the crux of the beginning part of it.

That's the best part to me. I like the Jimmy Iovine story. But once it stops being just about Jimmy Iovine and more about the world that he was in, I think is when it gets like really interesting. And then the third installment of it, which is all about like Dr. Dre and like that era of hip-hop is amazing

it's they have like so good it's so good they have amazing interviews and like the stuff that they do about uh the source awards yeah yeah that shit i was i had always wanted to know what happened such a good candid interview with snoop which is one of my favorite things when he's just like i could say whatever the fuck i want now. I mean, it doesn't matter. And they got Dre calling Suge Knight an idiot, which is something people didn't do back in the day. No. He's just like, what an idiot. Nas was interviewed during, they interviewed Nas,

and he was completely candid. I mean, I will say in terms of late period music stuff, I read the Yod and Wenner biography. Oh, yeah. So dishy. But it's all 75-year-old super rich rock stars who have nothing to lose. They're all just totally casting

shit about everyone, including Amwender. In the Defiant one, it's slightly younger people, but still, people just speaking completely. Yeah, they don't give a shit anymore. Snoop is being fully honest. Nas is being fully honest. I feel like it's also... I didn't realize until I saw the Defiant ones

that there was no major showcase for what Dr. Dre's personality is before. No. We didn't really know it. Like, because watching it, you're like, oh, this guy, the way he operates, he is like a weird artist guy. Yeah. You know, where he was like, I wear the same clothes every day. Yeah.

Yeah, fully. And he just like locks himself and you're just, and like how he can't get detox right and shit like that it was just like oh this guy is like full-on like an artist like you don't you there was no you never knew that before because he plays it very close this was such a big year of me like gaining more respect for the artistry just specifically art of people who I already liked. Yeah. With the Dissect podcast, which I was thinking about taking, but I probably won't. But about Kanye and- It is mind-blowing.

That thing is like- Amazing. But just about him and my dark, twisted fantasy. And then, yeah, with Dr. Dre on this, where you're like, oh, shit, that guy is like a tortured artist who's like an amazing producer. Detox was a joke to me before. Yeah. And then watching him work on it, you're like, this poor fucking guy.

Yeah. He just wants it so bad. Oh, and he wants it to be... He wants it to be his opus. It'll never come out. Or it'll come out like Brian Wilson's album did like 30 years after it was supposed to and nobody will care. So if I can just sound my note of dissent, I will say the reason I did

not watch the rest of it is like the cold open is basically like them talking about the beats deal, right? Yes.ent. I will say the reason I did not watch the rest of it is like the cold open is basically like them talking about the Beats deal right? Yes. Yeah. I mean I was like this is the worst possible like entry point. Terrible open. Like I don't care about how these dudes got super rich really recently after a deal

over a deal like no one is that excited about. And the fourth episode is that. Yeah that's the fourth episode. Start with some like crazy anecdote and I get that they sort of like needed a way to showcase like all the talking heads they would have. And that was cool just seeing all the famous faces. But I was like, is this what I'm going to be watching? Like, so it's good to hear that they recover from it. Yeah.

It's four episodes long and it is three amazing episodes. The last one's interesting. I don't hate the Beats one. It's interesting. Because I also saw that video when it came out. And I remember being like, whoa, Dr. Dre's got a billion dollars. Oh, and like Tyrese, right? Tyrese is drunk.

I did not see that video until I watched the Defiant ones. And I was like, holy shit, look at these kids. And I have to, as sort of the culmination, and I do think it's interesting for someone to really explain why it's such a big deal, why someone like Dr. Dre becoming a billionaire. It is fascinating. But like I needed the context first. I was like, don't lead with like, okay, congratulations, you're all rich. I knew that.

I think what they were trying to do, and this is probably bad documentary making, which is weird because it's a good documentary. I think they were trying to like do that connective tissue the beginning and the end, and here's how they got there kind of thing. But it was off-putting. And I didn't like the fourth one as much as... It was interesting, but it felt like an infomercial for beats a little bit. But those... It's all about that third episode. Amazing Bruce

Springsteen stuff, too. About what a maniac Bruce Springsteen is in the studio. And how hard Jimmy Iovine works. Yeah. He was chewing on tinfoil to stay awake to get levels right. Because he was falling asleep at the boards and everything. So nuts.

Yeah. I watched it three times all the way through. Wow. Because it came out and you watched the whole thing. And then we sat and watched it all together. And then you came over. And then we watched it all together. And then you came over and then we watched it all together. And then I watched it again just later. So I love the Defiant ones.

But in the interest of time, we'll move on. Check that out if you haven't. With my fourth pick. Okay. Telly, you take the TV. I'm not going to take it. I'm telling you, take the TV. I'm not going to take it. I'm looking at my last two picks and I actually think I might not do a television one for either of them. Really? I think I might not either.

Oh, boy. I know. I'm trying to think of what I enjoyed more. We can talk about it after just briefly, even if neither one of us take it. Okay, I'm going to take... Shit. All right, I'm going to take. Shit. All right. I'll take. Okay.

I'm going to take my favorite song of the year. Nice. Which is. I never would have thought that this would be the person who made my favorite song of the year. It's insane to me that they did, but I'm taking Sign of the Times by Harry Styles. Yes. You were listening to it today. Welcome to the tribe.

I love it. He made a 70s style rock album. Yes. It's dope as hell. It's fucking good. It's really good. And he's a good kid and like his music is awesome. Killer Mick Jagger impression. Killer Mick Jagger impression. SNL keeps coming up but SNL was good this year though. Yeah I was

really won over by him and I think it's cool that like it feels like an expression of individual taste and a couple of interesting songs. It's also interesting to me that it wasn't like the the sales blockbuster people kind of hoped it would no and it's like he made something he liked that's cool right did it do bad numbers it wasn't terrible it's just like the solo the like biggest star from one direction making a solo album you would have expected it to do a little better than it did right it's Right. I like it. And I've listened to Zayn and Louise Tomlinson's music and everything.

And Harry is by far my favorite. Yeah. At the Late Late Show, I work with our executive producer, this guy, Ben Winston. Oh, right. Yeah. Who was basically the sixth member of One Direction. He directed a bunch of their music videos. There was that Rolling Stone profile that Cameron Crowe wrote about the life that Harry was living.

And he basically lived in his attic, right? At Ben Winston's house, yeah. And so they're very close. So I've been in that world because I've been on Late Late Shows since day one. So I've been in that world. Harry Styles was one of our first really big guests. Are you allowed to say whether he's cool in person? I could.

If Harry is? Harry's super cool in person. Okay, great. In fact, all those kids are like super nice in person. That's interesting. Really? Yeah, they're all just like, they're all like quality dudes. I don't, I like.

The miracle. I would, if I could talk shit about him, I would talk shit about him. But like, they've all been, they've all been so nice. Like Harry Styles is cool. He, when he was, he's been on the show and done like segments and like he just guest hosted because cordon had a baby and harry styles came in with like two hours notice and was like guest hosted the show for us how did you you did great i mean for like someone who's a musician brian cranston did it the next night and fucking murdered it i recommend watching

that if you haven't seen it like brian cranston it's just this weird thing where cranston hosts a late night show and like fully it's almost like actor fantasy camp because it's the thing we're all aware of yeah and he's an amazingly talented actor so he's like oh so for one night i get to be david letterman you know so he came in and just fucking like crushed it but uh it's also like there's not enough rock on top 40 anymore or not enough just like people playing instruments on top 40 anymore and like i just like people playing instruments on top 40 anymore and like i feel like of all the big albums this year lana's is like that although it was a little too long but i also really like that but like i can't even think of many musicians who were that big who insist on like recording with an actual band and like yeah because yeah because like

lord was all that's all pop, right, for the most part? She and Maren, okay, I'm just going to spoil it. Melodrama was going to be one of my big picks. Oh, let's talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that. Okay, great. Yeah, so just back to A Sign of the Times. His voice is amazing on it.

I mean, he's got a pretty good voice. I agree. It sounds like something that fucking like Axl Rose would have sang if he wasn't such a scumbag. Like, I would love to hear Axl Rose sing Sign of the Times. I think it would be amazing. It's also interesting that on that album, there are like songs where he talks

pretty openly about just like sleeping with a groupie for a night and still manages to make it sound like romantic and he doesn't sound like an asshole. Right. It's just like, oh, this is just something that, you know, happens. It's not We've Got Tonight by Bob Seger, right? It's something like a little bit nicer.

But it's a huge Wallace-Seyon type song. There's these like, like these soaring like strings in it and everything. Like sounds that you haven't heard since like Elton John was making like pop rock songs and stuff like that. I just loved it. It's yeah.

And it's like definitely my favorite shower song of the year. Important, important notch for you. It is a good shower song. You gotta get your day right. So that's, so Sean, it's time for your fourth pick.

Check out that Harry Styles song. I'm going to pick Curb Your Enthusiasm coming back. Okay. Interesting. I'm going to do that. Mixed reception on that, I noticed. Huh? I said mixed reception for the season.

Yeah, and truth be told, because I don't want to lie to listeners, I haven't finished it. I haven't either. Me neither. It's also full disclosure. But it's exactly like, there are sort of shows where I'm like, oh, I decide it's bad and I don't want to keep watching it. I haven't either. Me neither. It's also full disclosure. But it's exactly like, there are sort of shows where I'm like, oh, I decide it's bad and I don't want to

keep watching it. But then there are shows where I'm like, I don't really have a problem with it, but I notice I have a problem with it because I don't feel

compelled to catch up. I have a painting of Larry David in my house. I haven't watched it. Is it like Impressionist or like Cubist or is it just like a totally straight painting

of Larry David? Him as the Mona Lisa. It's great though. But the show, what I've seen, the only reason I haven't finished it is because my HBO password is no longer on my computer because the people I was using theirs from, they don't have HBO anymore. Otherwise, I would have watched it. Like, I'd watch it in bed. But the episodes I've seen are so great. And just a show that can be that good for so long.

Like, when you look at Seinfeld and then Curb and then how they did the Seinfeld reunion on Curb and it was good and now they're in the new season and it's still good. It's just crazy to me. Yeah, I also think like I watched a lot of Curb leading up to the premiere

and I don't think the gap in quality was as big as some people thought it was. It was very much still Curb Your Enthusiasm and there were some great moments. Yeah. I think it was more because he'd been away for so long he just tried to stuff so much into every episode it kind of got away from him at some points i could see that and just like even throughout curb just like the

progression of it from like a super like almost like blurry boss boxy lo-fi whatever that they were working with in season one to like it looks like an actual TV show. That is, yeah. And I've also heard it's gotten a little less improvisatory and a little more written, which I think you can hear. Yeah. But like I don't have a problem with that. He's been making it for like 17 years. He knows how to make funny TV.

God, it's been that long. Oh, yeah, it's a pre-9-11 show. In his later seasons, it was basically every other year, which is another thing I really like9-11 show. In its later seasons, it was basically every other year. And I also, which is another thing I really like and respect about it, and the same thing is true of Atlanta and the same thing is true of Master of None, that people can just kind of be like, in this current creative climate, if you have the creative capital to do it, you can just be like, I know I want to make another thing eventually, but not right now.

Not now. Yeah. Yep. I'm going to go be rich for a while. Yeah. It's also like the fact that Larry David even feels compelled to do literally anything ever is pretty amazing. We're lucky for that. Another thing I like, especially in this era of comedy on television, and it's the same way I feel about The Good Place and Curb, is like, oh, it's just funny.

That's really nice. like oh it's just funny yeah that's really nice you know like it's no shade on transparent and i mean but like you know for that to be like the comedy winning all these comedy it's funny i couldn't get into it man i'm transparent it's hard well now you got you got an excuse but i will say like the fourth season of the show is just a step down creatively it's really good and there are funny moments on it but it's a dramedy and it's also like it's it's only classified as a comedy for length and awards reasons but yes like it is good to have a show that is purely comedic and then also like it is a show that's openly about rich assholes which i think a lot of people were put off about that because we're in a particularly exaggerated moment of rich assholes ruining the country but like it is so unabashed

about being about extremely wealthy people and about how like the reason he's able to focus on these like ridiculous breaches of minor etiquette is because he has nothing else to worry about it doesn't give a shit that's what's always been fun one of the best seasons about buying a restaurant so it's like or like his golf club and its membership policies is like a recurring problem he cares so much so much it's oh man uh excellent pick david it's time for your fourth pick my fourth pick kind of a weird pick but it's just like oh really it was set come going to do that to me in front of my friends? It was such a big deal, and I usually don't pay attention to this stuff, so that's how I felt it was so big. And because I picked Jay before, Beyonce's pregnancy pictures. It was just like it rocked the internet, and you watched it.

It was just a really cool thing apparently facebook slash instagram had a booth of their holiday party where you could like take a fake beyonce pregnancy picture against like a flower wall with that's how big that was exactly yeah that was like that was it was just like a weird thing where i was like whoa this is cool it's cool that it did that although i will say i was talking to a friend about this i feel like it sort of disrupted the beyonce equation where like i like it when her fans are able to be like oh she's like a goddess she's like divine when she uses that iconography i'm a little bit like let the fans like fill in that gap you know you're like she don't like overtly present yourself as this like divine feminine, like the Venus on the tortoise. Cause then you worry that she might be a psycho.

I mean like, you know, she's a psycho. You can't be that famous and rich without being a psycho. And like, and you're right. Like the fact that it penetrated the culture as much as it did. It was like, it was huge. It's like a test of new success. But at least for me, it's like, I like it more when like she just does like a super cool thing and then everyone else freaks out and pipes it up into the big thing. Like the day Lemonade dropped.

Yes, exactly. It was a carryover of the imagery she used in the Grammys performance, which was pretty amazing. Wasn't it? Yeah, very floral. She was still pregnant, right? Yeah, very pregnant. Which is crazy. Very pregnant.

I saw it because I got to ride on the Grammys last year. Same year I was nominated for the Emmy. That's awesome. Did you go to the gym that year? I feel like you need to check it now. Huh? Did you go to the gym that year? Several.

Imagine all this while going to the gym every single day. It's crazy that one man was able to accomplish all this. A Jewish man. Yeah. You're Jewish. 100% from everything. Most of the females would be working on the Grammys this year. So imagine this year but last year.

No, but she was, so they tuck us under the stage, the writers, so we can like if something happens during the show, we were able to like get it to the host. So was Beyonce directly above you? She was directly, because we're in this so there's like the talent has to go through the hallway that we're like

kind of like hidden in. You're crouched in. And like. The gremlins. Yeah. We're like huddled over our laptops wearing like ties over like fucking. You're wearing a hoodie and a suit and tie. Literally.

Wearing a hoodie and a suit and tie. Oh my God. Oh, writer uniforms. And so, but like she, so she's in this hallway across from us fully pregnant so pregnant holding so her the the grammys doesn't have like official like paper they give you to write your speech on or anything so that means some beyonce got a gold leaf piece of paper with her speech written on it she just got that from it's just gold she's holding a piece of gold she looks she doesn't write on wood anymore.

She's glowing. And she's got this perfect entourage of people, all of whom, none of them are in front of her, but none of them are that far back. They're surrounding her, but also giving a room. They're all standing like uniformly six inches behind her

in this like half circle behind Beyonce. And you're just like looking at her. You're like, oh my God. You're just, it really, it you're like, oh my God. It really takes your breath away. She's amazing. She's amazing.

And it's not even just because she's famous because I see like in my line of work, get to see famous people all the time. But there's something about just every, there's something about everything about Beyonce, if that makes sense. She's got the thing. She's got it all. And it feels good to be able to totally like lose your perspective when it comes to a person like I've had people be like

I don't get why people about like Beyonce and Rihanna are like she doesn't give a fuck or like she's incredible and I was like because it feels

but it feels good to just be like we have this one person that we can just place all our faith in it feels so good yeah yeah for better or worse

it's great I'm so excited for her next whatever she does. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be amazing. She's reinvented the music industry and the album with her last two releases. We get so lost in the, I mean, not lost in it, but yeah, the way she released Lemonade and manipulates the record industry to her whim is amazing.

And then also, that album fucking was awesome. It was so good. I hate that I don't listen to it that much because I refuse to pay for title. I know. You've got to get that illegal download. That shit is really fucking me up. I can't pay for title,

and I don't want to be the person who illegally downloads Beyoncé because I respect her too much for it. But again, the fact that I don't even listen to the album that much and I can still probably recite every song from memory. It's a good sign. It's crazy. Illegally download it and But again, like the fact that I don't even listen to the album that much and I can still probably recite every song from memory. It's a good song. It's crazy. Illegally download it

and then buy like one of the, what's her clothing brand? House of Davia? No. Ivy Park. Ivy Park and the new one. Yeah. And then just buy some

Ivy Park like stretch pants. I need workout gear. That's a good suggestion. That way you're breaking even with her. All right. Is it time for my fourth and fifth? It is. Okay.

Well, I already spoiled this one, but just to wind up a little bit, just as you may have detected that Sean is from South Dakota and Ian is Jewish, you may have picked up that I am a white woman in 2017, and therefore I am obligated to put Lorde's Melodrama on this list. Holy shit. I mean, last year was such a big year for pop albums. Yeah.

It felt like every single major figure start, you know, most importantly, Beyonce released something. So this year was like a little more sparse for pop. I feel like the landscape was a little freer, but she just made like what I think is unquestionably the best pop album of the year.

It's fucking, it's powerful. Amazing. And I will say, I was worried when green light came out and I was like, is this just going to be like a dinky Jack Hananoff dance album? Yeah. But it's such a complete statement.

And also, like, I thought her first album was so beautiful and impressive. And she doesn't play instruments as you were talking about earlier. And I highly recommend listening to her Marc Maron podcast because he, like, kind of gives her shit about that. Does he? She went on WTF. God damn it, Marc. She went on WTF.

And it's such an amazing example of, like, Marc Maron as bad interviewer makes him a good interviewer. Yeah. Because he literally does not know that her name is not Lord. He's like, you guys, like you have a real name, right? And she's like, yes, it's Ella. And I'm listening. I'm like, it's on her Wikipedia page. It's on Wikipedia, Mark.

Does not take a lot of research. That's not a deep cut. Who are your guys? So who are your guys? But they heard guy is Paul Simon and they sing Paul Simon together. It does not take a lot of research. That's not a deep cut. Who are your guys? So who are your guys? But they heard Guy as Paul Simon and they sing Paul Simon together. It's really beautiful. But it's really funny because he's sort of like, oh, you don't play any instruments. Isn't that kind of sad?

And she's like, no, I can express myself really well because of that. And she writes all her own lyrics. I think she has a specificity that we're really not used to having in radio pop. There was that amazing profile where Max Martin kind of famously said of Greenlight, this is imperfect songwriting, which is just such a way of like, she makes pop that sounds like it comes from a single person's brain.

And clearly it doesn't actually do that. But just to be able to pull that trick is amazing in this day and age when everything else is so like produced to like the nth degree. And overly written she's like young right yeah her first album was when she was 16 and like that's fucking crazy which is crazy i was not doing that shit when i was you know she also just as a persona she's so

self-possessed and like she's really one of those people who gets me all weepy and emotional because it's like if this were like top 40 when i was in high school did not have a lord type figure i can tell where when were you in high school that's a weird question i'm trying to place us if we're like the same i was like uh late aughts so like it was like barbie era like pink hair nikki minaj red era taylor swift and i was like this is all fine but there was no one on that level like i had to go to sort of like the next step down to pitch for a core yeah i remember listening to royals and thinking like of her first album i like this album i think it if it had maybe the same level audience of like purity ring just to pick someone else at the time

it's already pretty good yeah but it was the fact that like this was playing on top 40 and she's selling out arenas and she is the same reach as someone like taylor swift that like really gets me in my feelings it's like if this was available to me in high school i feel like i would have felt a little more represented we didn't have that when we were in high school we were i was i was 2003 when i graduated you were four or five i was 2000 2000 yeah i mean it was yeah you had it wasn't anyone quite like laura you'd bling bling yeah every time i come around the city yeah i don't mean that as a bad but just the album itself is like it's a compact it's a compact statement yeah it starts dancey and then it fits through so many different moods there's so many like little lines i'll just

like quote to myself and you know she makes like a very unrelatable experience which is basically like i got too famous so my boyfriend broke up with me and then i had like a bunch of crazy partying experiences because i was like living alone at 20 and didn't have any and but it's not like oh i'm losing all perspective and she frames it in such a human way i was just so blown away and like i'm not the best at keeping up with music. And that was like, I had no problem just totally saturating myself. That's your album.

So great. Yeah. Fantastic. So just to keep with the theme, my fifth pick is just deliberately broad. I'm going to go with female action heroes. Oh, yeah.

Of which my main examples will be, I feel like we got to talk about Wonder Woman. Robin Wright in Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman, Atomic Blonde. And I just saw Star Wars. So no spoilers, but I thought about this last night because I was watching Star Wars. And, you know, there's obviously a training scene where Rey is like whipping around a lightsaber and just being really impressive. And I was watching it and I was like, this is a scene that is about like a woman's physicality.

It is about her using her body. And the way the camera portrays it is completely designed to make you go look how powerful this person is. As opposed to just like, oh, like look at her like using, like waving her body around. Right. Or that she's like, in the past that would be like, she's doing a gymnastics floor routine, but just with a sword. You know? Yeah. And like for some reason,

she like, her midriff is exposed. Right. She's wearing short shorts for like aerodynamics sake. Right, exactly. Yeah, even though it's a hand-to-hand

combat situation and all the dudes are wearing thick furs. Yeah, thick furs. Leather. And like, oh my God, did you see that picture that was like

the Amazons in Wonder Woman versus like Zack Snyder's Amazons? Oh my God. But you know, I think like, when it came to snyder's amazon oh my god but you know i think like when it came to wonder woman there was a lot of you know look what a you know how a woman is going to present a female hero and i totally agree with that but i also think it's important for a male director to do it just to show that like it's not right and inherent that dudes have to be creepy

when they're filming women's bodies right You can still respect her athleticism, which I thought was great, but Wonder Woman was also really interesting. I didn't respond to it as much as a girl power thing, but it made so much money because people just really wanted that. Gal Gadot

seems pretty likable, too. She's very likable. That GQ profile that Katie Weaver wrote. Yeah, Katie Weaver. I mean, did you watch Justice League? They literally just tacked on a scene at the beginning where she's just flexing because they were clearly like, okay, we got to give the people what they want. It's completely unrelated to anything else that happens in the movie. I probably won't see Justice League.

It's very bad. These guys are of two minds about it. I don't think it's terrible. You've been saying some shit this whole week. Chris's very bad. These guys are of two minds about it. I don't think it's terrible. You've been saying some shit this whole week. Chris Paul's ugly. Chris Paul's ugly, dude. Don't even bring that shit back up to me. We almost got in a five-way fist fight

last night. Sean, wouldn't you stop saying Chris Paul's ugly? So were you guys Wonder Woman fans? Yeah, I loved it. So I've been put in a weird position as a woman. Not liking it it oh yeah yeah so i feel like put in a weird position as a woman not liking it that much i was sort of like i'm annoyed both by like feeling like i should be shilling for a multi-billion dollar entertainment product but i'm also really mad at like every man i saw who was like how could people relate to it right because it's a little

bit like exxon's new feminist gasoline yeah it's definitely like a very neoliberal movie and also just like of course a a woman only gets a superhero movie like 1800 movies into the superhero wave so many and god there are a lot like when it gets made it's like a pretty cut and dry superhero movie with like a shitty nonsensical third act battle yeah there were great parts of it but i was a little like oh yeah i guess i guess this is what we're gonna get but i mean for a dc movie too though oh yeah right it's the best the best dc movie that's showing oh it's definitely the best dc movie period ever i think yeah yeah by far. Period ever, I think. Yeah. Atomic Blonde. Totally incoherent. Oh, yeah.

Makes no sense. I don't care. This is the era of the incoherent makes no sense enjoyable action movies. But it's also like incoherent not for like

the actual action I can follow. Yeah. It's just everything around it. Oh, that movie. I watched it and my buddies

like I was all sleepy but like it was I just didn't it looked great. It looked rad. I don't know my buddies. I was all sleepy, but it looked great. It looked rad. I don't know. But it's like John Wick, Atomic Blonde. I was going to say,

like a John Wick where it's like, go fuck some shit up. It's one of the John Wick co-directors. You made it, right? Go fuck some shit up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also just like, there are so few things

that are made for movie stars anymore, which is also, it's not even on my power rankings, so I'm just going to slip in a reference to it here, like Big Little Lies. That is just like, give an actress a platform and they will just fucking own it.

And that was Charlize Theron being like, I'm going to flex. This is about me and you are here for me. Speaking of people who seem cool, Charlize seems fucking cool. Oh yeah. I bet she's the best. When I worked for Chelsea Handler,

those two would party all the time. They'd be like both out drunk at like 5 a.m like we have a show tomorrow making me depressed uh i know god how do they keep i'm i was in bed at like 11 last night i was like i saw a movie and then i watched another movie at home yeah i've done what i need to do that sounds perfect But it was just like a really cool time for either reinventing a franchise with a woman, a long delayed franchise

with a woman, or just making a fun summer movie with Charlize Theron kicking ass. And it was like this is hitting all my buttons. So go see Star Wars. And pics. And pics. David, excellent pics. David, it's time so go see Star Wars and picks and picks David excellent picks

David it's time for your final pick oh yeah so this is weird I said that before every pick I just feel like it was the most 27 thing that bully kid the kid who got bullied and then his mom's

trash I feel like that's just the most the way that whole thing went down The kid who got bullied. Oh, and then his mom's trash. I feel like that's just the most, the way that whole thing went down is just so indicative of right now. Like we don't really know what's going on. It's extremely right now. Is everyone here familiar with the term milkshake duck? Or do I just spend too much time on the internet? I don't know. I know milkshake duck.

Okay, so there was a very good tweet that just like compounded this whole process. By pixelated boat is the name of the user. Yeah. The tweet is basically by pixelated boat is like, oh, look at milkshake duck. The duck everyone likes because it drinks milkshakes. The internet is obsessed with milkshake duck. And then pause. We regret to inform you the duck is racist.

Yeah. And it was just like that thing where it's like someone becomes a big deal and then you instantly find out they're problematic. Like Ken Bone. Yeah. Was a big deal and then you instantly find out they're problematic. Like Ken Bone was a big one. But that was also like I remember seeing like the super treacly like all the celebrities tweet solidarity. And I remember reading them being like this can't end well. No. This is not going to end on a heartwarming note.

And it slowly happened. Like he was like the MMA fighter was like had that video where he was like, yeah, I reached out because I wanted to bring him to a fight. Which is also, I don't really know. Great way to console a bullied child. Right. To watch other people be. I want him to watch me beat the shit out of people. Come see what those bullies are going to be doing later.

She would have grown up. Yeah. But then like, and he was like, the kid's mom just wanted money. And then you see the pictures of them with all the Confederate flags. Yeah. And the stories that the kid was calling kids the N-word, which is like, now I'm pro-bully again. I know. I don't know what's happening.

I'm pro-bully. It was just like the most time. It's just like, that's what we're doing now. That's an excellent pick. That's fully. Yeah, that whole story is just like, that's where we're at. Yes. And it was crazy, because I watched is just like that's where we're at. Yes. And it was crazy because I watched the video too and I was sad.

I was like, totally. Oh, man. This little kid weeping in the car. We all bullied. But then you go back and you think, yeah, but what's going on? Like why is his mom recording this? Yeah. That's what gets me.

It's like that kid who made like $11 million from like unwrapping GIFs on YouTube. What? Oh, you guys haven't heard about this? I hate the internet so much. Yeah, there's basically like an entire YouTube channel where like they don't show the parents, they don't give any identifying information, thank God, no one knows where this kid lives no one knows his last name. But like the entire premise of the YouTube channel is like his

parents just like film him like playing with new toys and he like reviews them and so many people watched it that he really, his parents, made 11 million just film him playing with new toys and he reviews them. And so many people watched it that he really, his parents, made $11 million in 2017. Which is like, that kid's going to grow up to be a racist. The future is horrible.

Future milkshake duck. The future sucks. What is going on? That's bananas. I don't know. I have like $1,100. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know if I made five digits last year.

This year. Oh, man. Oh, that's a I made five digits last year. This year. That's a bummer. It's time for you to bring us up out of the glum. Out of the gloom. With your final pick. It's going to be... I'm not political.

You're political. I'm going to pick Roy Moore losing this most recent election. Cool. Also stretching the definition of pop culture. But again, we'll take it. Mostly because Doug Jones single-handedly put Teach Me How to Dougie back in the Zeitgeist. He did.

I've heard that song. A lot of us have been championing that all year. Don't put that just on here. I just learned how to Dougie this year. You're right. Yeah, I don't know why I blew it on that so hard. I apologize. Don't do that. I him. I just learned how to doggy this year. You're right. Yeah, I don't know why I blew it on that so hard. I apologize. Don't do that.

You're not apologizing. No. Don't go. All right, let's talk about it. It's an actual piece of good news, so let's talk about that. Yeah, I mean, it is kind of good news. That's why I was stoked to bring it up. Hell yeah.

It shocked me how short the high lasted from that. It was like the next day, I was like, oh, fuck. Net neutrality was gone the next day, right? Or like two days later. Fucking fuck agit pie. Fuck that guy. He is the most punchable guy. I hate that video.

He's the most punchable guy. I hate that video. That video? Here's what you can still do on the internet. Did you know like a fucking pizza gator was in that video? Yeah, pizza gator, yeah. I want to bully agit pie so bad. I want to fucking pull his pants down and then shove him over.

I want him to have to walk out of a room with his pants around his ankle doing that weird shuffle thing. Yeah, the duck walk. Yeah, the duck walk. Put a carrot up his butt. Make him walk the green miles. Yeah, exactly. 1950s style. It was just a great example of the Republican Party has just owned itself so much that they can lose in Alabama.

It was like they managed to have the worst of every single world. It's crazy. Like they didn't endorse him at first and they pissed off the base. Then like after like a bunch of people came out and accused him of child molestation, they put the money back in the race. Yes. Which is like if I were a Democrat, I would just use that in a campaign ad and like every like well-to-do suburb that's embarrassed by trump yeah it's like these people put money on a child molester not somebody else these people did that yeah like they just fucked the whole party it's because a democrat won in alabama in 2017 that is wild despite all their gerrymandering yeah so much did you see like the

congressional district breakdown where it's like he won the election for the whole state. And if you broke it down, he would have won only one congressional district out of five. Yeah. No, they're bad about it down there. It's definitely black voter suppression and all that. A hundred percent. Shout out to black women. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Shout out to the organization. women yeah oh yeah shout out to the organization although i will also say another like online phenomenon i've observed is like the space between like dumb uncritical like neoliberal mainstream dem reaction and like the socialist left like backlash to it is nothing so like at the same time i saw tweets that were like like mark ruffalo being like god answered my prayers and she's a black woman black woman and then a bunch of people being like you know like a they did work they didn't just magically show up to the poll right b they voted to save themselves not all of you like that is that is the most frustrating shit who uh shout out to janelle james great album

that came out this year oh yeah she tweeted like i'm sick of everybody saying this we're trying to save ourselves like shut up because it is like yeah they didn't do it for you yeah we want they want a good life as well right they're not like we got to make sure these it's time to knuckle up and save these white people what are you talking about? Un-evangelical white women, which is also just like the way the religious right in this country has just like allowed themselves to be like represented by a child molester and a serial groper is like, man, remember Family Values Voters? I know, right? Evangelical Christianity is a religion of, I mean, of like the suppression of women. That's more than anything is that like, you know, the woman should be at home safe and like looked after

and the man should be out there. And it's about that more than Christ. I mean, that's been made like very evident, you know. Yeah. I will also just say like my one out of the 53% number is I did look up the Jewish breakdown and 75% of Jewish women were for Hillary. Yeah. That's how I sleep at night. Great.

We're not white. Yeah. Alright. Sean who took the eclipse. That's how I sleep at night. Right, right. Yeah, we're not white. Yeah. All right. Sean, who took the eclipse and a Senate election in Alabama. I haven't brought it. I just look at it like popular culture. It was just things that happened in 2017. I know.

I'm not. Don't do that. You stand behind it. You're fine. Well, if I'm wrong, if it's not debatable. Yeah, it's very debatable yeah it's being debated listen with my final pick i'll do something that i i'm about to go sampler platter almost oh shit all right because i need to like chicken rollers at taco bell oh fuck i wish they're good those didn't come out this year though did they they re-came out taco

bell is coming out with a california burrito that's not a California burrito, and I'm viscerally offended. Wait, is there not fries in it? I'm ready for anything. I'm thrilled about it. There are fries in it, but it's like ground beef. I'm fine. That's fine. No.

Sign me up. No, no, no. This is an away game for you right now, Allison. But I have the moral high ground. This is the most pro-Taco Bell podcast in the world. I'm pro-Taco Bell. I just think they could have handled their promotion slightly better.

So in the spirit of like female action heroes or just like more almost like all encompassing pop culture things, this was my year of like fully being a 33 year old white guy when it comes to music. So I'm kind of like

I really threw myself into it and like you were on your pop shit this year i was on my shit so and what i'm doing is and i don't know is the pig just music for me it's mute it's i'm like here i'll explain i'll explain what i mean and maybe maybe this will clarify for you. This year, I got really into LCD Sound System and The War on Drugs. Oh. Loved both their albums that came out this year and saw them both in concert this year. So it was almost my 33-year-old ass white guy music. How was LCD Live?

Amazing. How was that show? So fucking good. I liked Oh Baby and American Dream. I think both of those are great songs. Yeah. And the rest of the album kind of fades into that. You didn't like Call the Police?

It's good. I mean, it's sort of like- American Dream was by far for me the best. It's also like if you have two great songs on a late period comeback album, that's good. Yeah. They played maybe two, three songs off that album, and the rest of it was all hits. Nice. Did you see him here in New York?

I saw him here in the Palladium. Okay. Fuck. I was supposed to go to multiple nights, but then I had to go somewhere for comedy business. Comedy business. Comedy business. And then I saw The War on Drugs at the Hollywood Bowl, like right up close. Was it the Hollywood Bowl?

Or the, what's the other one? The Greek. It was at the Greek. Oh, sure. And it was right up close. Was it the Hollywood Bowl or the what's the other one? The Greek. It was at the Greek. And it was right up close and they were amazing too. Just like big like walls of sound like kind of music that just these songs like build up in this huge way. But like again

it's just such like white dad music. I mean I feel all my favorite albums this year were Girls With Guitars. Like I'm wearing a Charlie Bliss t-shirt for the podcast listeners. They're so great. But it was like them, Girl Pool, J-Som, Japanese. It was literally just all like Sheermag. It was all just like women with guitars.

But it was a great year for that kind of music, too. Exactly. I feel no shame. Shout out to Summer Cannibals, right? Yeah. Our homie. Yeah. Shout out to her. Exactly. I feel no shame. Shout out to Summer Cannibals, right? Yeah. Our homie. Yeah. Shout out to her. She put a

solo album out this year? Am I crazy? I think she did. Let's get the details on that, because it'd be nice to give her a full shout out. I'm pretty sure it was a solo album. I think she did. Yeah. Jessica... Why am I blowing... I know her last name, and I'm blowing it on her last name right now. Listen, let's talk about how the eclipse affects popular culture.

I feel like everyone's on brand for music. I'm white girls with guitars or just girls with guitars. You're 33, you're white guy music. You had a bunch of rap takes and then you just don't have any music at all on your list. But he has music in his heart. He does. It's in there. Your port.

Jessica Boudreaux. In my port, yeah. Jessica Boudreau. In my port, yeah. Jessica Boudreau. She put out a solo album this year, which was really good. But yeah, so just white dad music. I also saw Tom Petty in one of his last concerts. Oh, at the Bowl? At the Bowl.

Did you see that with your mom, though? I took my mom. That's incredible. That's incredible. St. Sue Carmella and I went and saw it, and it was fucking amazing. Fantastic. So it was just very much so it was like just very much a year of like me just like surrendering to i still listen to mostly rap but like i'm like

i got i i liked my first steely dan song this year oh yeah i got into that too i didn't know that i heard like my i heard like five songs and i was just like what the fuck is this i know and i always thought it was going to be so bad and it's not. I love it. Having said that, Selena Gomez and Harry Styles were probably my two favorite musicians this year. But anyway, so that wraps it up for us. Just to recap,

Allison, you went first and you took Sexual Harassment, Get Out, Call Me By Your Name, Melodrama, The Lord Album, and then Female Action Heroes. David, you went second Your Name, Melodrama, The Lord Album, and then Female Action Heroes. David, you went second. You took Bodak Yellow, The Ball Family, 444, Beyonce's Pregnancy Pictures, and then that bully kid. Sean, you went third.

You took The Eclipse. I'm hiding. Stand tall. Your pop culture, your favorite pop culture moment of the year was when the moon reached totality and blocked out the sun completely on a certain path on the earth. So of all, like two things had been taken. Sexual harassment and Bodak Yellow.

So everything else that had been made this year, all the art, all the culture, and you liked how the sun, how it was nighttime during the daytime

for a minute. Then you took The Big Sick, which was a great movie, and then the end of the Oscars, the Moonlight Screw-Up at the end of the Oscars,

Curb Your Enthusiasm coming back and then Doug Jones defeating Roy Moore for Jeff Sessions vacated senatorial seat in the state of Alabama was your favorite song? was that your favorite song

or your favorite movie? I don't sorry no I mean I need it I need to learn they. No, I mean I need it. I need to learn. They were fun to talk about. I need to learn. I don't learn

through positivity. I need negative reinforcement otherwise I won't get it. I went last and I took The Good Place and then Damn by Kendrick Lamar and then The Defiant Ones,

Sign of the Times by Harry Styles and then White Dad Music. Wait, can I now ask what the TV thing... We don't need to talk about it. Young Pope. Okay,

shout out Young Pope. Fucking love Young Pope. Oh, with the kangaroo? Yeah. Well, that's part of it, yeah.

Kangaroo, nuns playing soccer, Diane Keaton in a t-shirt that mentioned her virginity. So good. Young Pope was this, I didn't even realize. Jude Law dropping a baby.

I saw two episodes and it was so intense for me. It's fucking great. Paolo, Paolo. Paolo Sorrentino. Sorrentino. Intense. Intense visuals and shit.

Also, like the. I literally just pre-gamed the Ringer holiday party by like watching the first episode again. And it got me in the mood. It's so good. If you haven't seen Young Pope, strap in and go. Just watch the whole thing. You know who loves Young Pope is our psychopathic friend, Zach Toscani. Oh, yeah.

He would love the Young Pope. It is. He is the Young Pope. He tried to push it on me so hard. We'd be sitting there, and he's like, Young Pope? That should definitely have its evangelizers. My friend Eric Thurm caught it. So first, it aired in Britain and Italy last fall, I think.

And he pirated it. And so he just became its champion in the United States two months before it even came out here. People, it really converts some diehards. My show of the year on my top 10. That's why I thought you were going to take it. And that's why I thought I was going to steal it. I've talked about it so goddamn much.

That's what I figured. I'm done. And it was almost a year ago, so it's not even fresh in my mind. But it's so fucking good. Check it out. We left a lot of other good stuff on the board. Passion Fruit by Drake. Run the Jewels 3.

I left the turnover chain. Run the Jewels are the best live act I saw this year. You saw them at FYF too? Mm-hmm. Fucking amazing. I got beat up in the mosh pit, but it was so fun. Briggs B. Bear was something I wanted to pick. Oh, I loved that movie

it was so so so good San Diego Kid done good Kyle Moody I didn't think anybody Ozark was weirdly watchable I still haven't seen it everybody's been talking about it shout out to my colleague

Chris Ryan who loves that show I was not on the train I don't even know if I like it but I watched all of it is it Jason Bateman yeah I hate Jason Bateman

and I still liked it I had Young Hope. You hate Jason Bateman? I had the rest of my top three for the year so Twin Peaks, Third Turn and The Leftovers

on my short list and I had Greta Gerwig for Breaking Out with Lady Bird. Those were like the ones that I left off the table. Culture by Amigos came out this year.

That was a good album. Did the t-shirt video come out this year? Yes, it did. Damn, I should have picked that. That shit. That was dope. I still can't believe that.

Then the last thing I want to say Bad Liar by Selena Gomez, man.. Damn, I should have picked that. That shit. That was dope. I still can't believe that. I want to say Bad Liar by Selena Gomez, man. I thought you were going to pick that. It was really good.

I love that song. And then shout out to the tweet I saw. I don't even remember who it was, but it was that somebody said E-40 raps like jellos

falling out of his mouth. Shit, that's good. I got all this jello on the floor. Spilling all the jello. Spilling all the jello. Man, what a national treasure. Sitting courtside at fucking Warriors games. Shout out to good tweets.

There are so few of them. But they almost make that platform worth it. I've looked it up. Every tweet where I searched it is like, so it's like, saw a tweet that someone said E-40 raps like he got Jell-O in his mouth, and it's falling out. And then the other one, it's like still dying. It's somebody saying E-40. So it's this thing where nobody knows what the original tweet is.

That's pretty, Buck. They're all just like, I remember when someone, yeah. That's funny. E-40 raps like he has hot Jell-O. Jell-O's so hot. remember when someone yeah that's funny e40 raps like he has hot jello you gotta respect that he's the only one who's ever wrapped like that saying wrapped like that looked like that while rapping wooden frame glasses looking like looking like fat black dumbledore i love those glasses those glasses he used to have a toothpick all the time. 40 water, man. Yeah, he just has all those liquors.

So that has been, thank you for, this was a long one for sure. End of the year, you know. Marissa is a skeleton sitting at a computer. But yeah, this is the last one of the year, but we'll have, I mean, we'll have another one for you next week, but this is the last one of the year, but we'll have another one for you next week, but this is the

last one of 2017. It's been one of the best years of my life. One of the weirdest years of my life. Fantastic. I love you guys. This was the year you thought that the eclipse was pop culture. That was a weird year. That was a weird year. Politics. This is also the year that you thought that Chris Paul was ugly.

Yeah, weird year for you. That year's gonna keep going. This is the last 24. I am so mad about it. We want to say, I mean, thank you again. It's just the end of the calendar year, but to everyone who listens to our podcast, we sincerely love and appreciate you so much. We really, really do. Absolutely, it's nuts.

It means the world to us that you, because this is just how we talk when we're sitting around bullshitting anyway. This is what we did last year. The fact that anyone wants to hear it is amazing to us us and we really, really appreciate you. Yes, 100%.

And we know you only have so much time in your week and we love that you choose to spend some of it with us. It means the world to us. I'm getting goosebumps, man. Yeah.

Sean's crying. Keep sending, shout out to the subreddit, shout out to everyone on Twitter and on Instagram. Yeah, shout out to all the Words With Friends homies. Oh, God.

Me and Sean, we're getting there. Do you guys have a subreddit? Yeah. That's amazing. We have a subreddit and a TV Tropes page, which is wild. Yeah, you made it. Yeah, so we just love you and really thank you for spending time with us.

If you have a second, throw us a subscribe and a five-star review on iTunes. On the tunes. On the tunes. On the tunes. On the tunes. Other than that, I mean, tune in again next year for another brand new episode

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