All Fantasy Everything - 2021 Pop Culture (w/ Alison Herman, Sean Jordan, David Gborie)

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

YOU WANTED, YOU GOT IT! We try to salvage something from the wreckage of 2021. (You know, other than Ian getting engaged, Sean having a baby and David's whirlwind tour of Europe.)  January 1...5th! We're doing a live virtual show and tickets are FREE! Register at hopin.com/events/afe/registration.   Episode Guest: Alison Herman @aherman2006 IG: @aherman2006   Support the show! Join the All Fantasy Everything Patreon for ad-free episodes, mailbags, and video pre-rolls. Check it all out at www.patreon.com/AllFantasy.    Follow the Good Vibes Gang on social media: Ian Karmel @IanKarmel IG: @IanKarmel Sean Jordan @SeanSJordan IG: @SeancougarmelonJordan David Gborie IG: @Coolguyjokes87See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, hello there, all Fantasy Everything listeners. Thank you so much for supporting in everything that you do. We actually have a fun announcement. We are going to do a live stream. It has been who knows how long since we actually did it. And we found a company, Hopin. They approached us and they do live streams. They specialize in it. And so we're just going to do it. We're going to do a few of them, I think. This is the first one that we're doing. So we're just going to do it for everybody. And it's going to be free. So you can just go register. It's going to be January 15th at 5pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern. And yeah, we're just going to do a live stream show. We don't know what we're going to draft or anything yet, but it is going to be dope. And it is going to be easy to register.
Starting point is 00:00:49 And it is going to be very fun. I'm looking at the graphics right now. It's rad. It's going to be an interactive live stream. So we should be able to chat. We should be able to do all kinds of stuff. We're trying to plan out games and things. So it's going to be a blast. But regardless, everything is shutting back down. Obviously, we didn't plan it like that. But that is unfortunately what's happening. So join us for our first live stream in quite some time on january 15th 5 p.m pacific 8 p.m eastern we'll post the link uh in the description as soon as this drops and then obviously we'll just be posting it all week and da da da da da but make a night of it you know have fun put it on the put it on the big screen have some have like a couple people over who are safe or don't whatever you want to do yeah my voice just, but we're leaving it like that.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Live stream, January 15th. We are thrilled about it. We can't wait to see you. And yeah, awesome. This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is all fantasy everything. The podcast where we fantasy draft anything and everything from the world of pop culture.
Starting point is 00:01:44 On today's episode, it's the sixth annual pop culture draft. We will be drafting the pop culture from the year 2021. Joining us for this annual tradition is one of our favorites. It's the pop culture writer at The Ringer and abroad, Alison Herman. I'm your host, Ian Carmel, and we're joined, as always, by my friends and comedians, Sean Jordan and David Borey. Let's get into it. Welcome to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything,
Starting point is 00:02:33 the podcast that is like pizza and ranch dressing. It... Tell the whole story. Just before we started recording, Allison was talking about how she's baking a chocolate, a sea salt chocolate tart. Is that right? Yes, a salted caramel and chocolate tart, courtesy of the New York Times Cooking, a wonderful app. Also, hello, everyone.
Starting point is 00:02:52 I'm so excited to be here. Yes! Shout out to that app, though. That app has played huge in my life this year. I'm making a breakfast out of it tomorrow. What are you making? I'm making a shakshuka. I'm making a shakshuka, but let's not get off track here. But I'm making a shakshuka. There's food called a shakshuka?
Starting point is 00:03:10 Shakshuka, dude. Yeah. Wow. It's good. It's good as hell. But we were talking, Allison, you were remarking how that's a very 1995 ass dessert to make because that's the year when America seemed to discover that salt goes with sweet and they work well together. And, and Sean was like, Oh yeah. Like when you found out pizza and ranch dressing went together,
Starting point is 00:03:30 it's the exact same thing, which is a Sean Jordan has response to any cooking. I feel like any cooking conversation could have happened and you would have been like, Oh yeah. Like when pizza, when you found out pizza and ranch go together, I made dinner,
Starting point is 00:03:43 I got a pizza and I put my own little brand on it. I got some ranch on the side. Here's a little something I do. It's like on King of the Hill when she's like, when she's like, Spupaggy and meatballs, it's the same thing. Dude, I bring that up once a week probably, Spupaggy and meatballs,
Starting point is 00:03:57 when I'm like trying to put food together. I love referencing Spupaggy and meatballs. You know, we all have our own reference points to every conversation. It's like, I write about TV and my mom thinks every TV show is like The Good Wife because that's what she knows. I bring up Bobby Brown way too much
Starting point is 00:04:15 for ways that you wouldn't even think. I don't think so. I think it's good that Bobby Brown still has someone writing for him like this out there in 2021. Who you telling? He was in the boy band christmas man it was he's good bobby brown stuff somebody came at me and said we're like johnny gill was just as successful as bobby round no he was not i will punch that person in the face it was not even i couldn't name you a johnny gill johnny gill doesn't have a don't be cruel no i'll kill you he doesn't have a my prerogative all five of
Starting point is 00:04:45 david's draft picks for 2021 are just bobby brown yeah i got his cummins and his goings his prediction for 2022 bobby brown it's gonna be brown outside man number one pick him doing that karate kick out of the helicopter in that Ja Rule video. And that is something I bring up a lot. That was this year? No. Oh, okay. Bobby Brown did a karate kick out of a helicopter?
Starting point is 00:05:14 It was the beginning of the video. And that's the first thing he did. Cause he was like, he had been gone for a long time. Ja Rule bought him back for the song. And then he just, yeah, it's called Thug Lovin'. I'll send you the YouTube, but yeah. It's just like a straight up karate kick. time ja rule bought him back for the song and then he just yeah it's called thug loving i'll i'll send you the youtube but yeah it's just like a straight up karate kick because like dudes don't do that anymore i can't think of a better way to burst back onto the scene than a karate kick out
Starting point is 00:05:36 of a helicopter what is a better way to come out of a helicopter you give me one better way dude those roys on succession there's all those helicopters, but no karate kicks. Nobody's got a karate kick. The only time I would say that writing failed. Yeah. How did Kendall on a manic spree not do a karate kick out of a helicopter? He was doing blow and he was with helicopters. And, you know, we saw that Ja Rule video.
Starting point is 00:06:00 His son is named Iverson. They got into a hell. Well, I don't want to talk about it too much because we will talk about it later did you guys see that video ever of nicholas cage on whatever talk show where he came out and he's like hey and then he did a really high karate kick and threw money into the crowd and then he was like yeah and then he sits down and they start the interview that's how i assume nicholas cage starts every conversation it's awesome yeah it is and it's like it it's young, fit
Starting point is 00:06:25 Cage, and he, it's a really high karate kick, and then he throws out money, and then he does a Nick Cage like, yeah! And then sits down, and you're like, dang. Sure, be in the movies. I bet Nicholas Cage could beat all of us up. Yeah, he's very in shape. I bet. I saw Pig.
Starting point is 00:06:41 That dude can beat anyone up. I've always thought that. I haven't seen Pig yet. Not to spoil the story, which is insane because it's a Portland, Oregon area movie. I haven't seen it either. Is that where they shot it? Yeah. I didn't know that going in. I mean, I assumed it was, you know, how they marketed it.
Starting point is 00:06:56 It was like John Wick with a pig instead of a dog. And then I literally texted Ian, I think, when I left the theater and was like, were you aware that Pig is Portland cinema? It's very much about Portland and people who live there. You did tell me that. I don't know why I haven't seen it yet. Maybe it's too on the nose.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I think you're saving it. Maybe I'm waiting. I think I'm saving it. Ben Kronberg told me to see it and I trust that. That's a trustworthy beer right there. I'm sending you a link right now and I just need you to. That's a trust. That's a trust. I'm sending you, I'm sending you a link right now and I just need you to go to 45 seconds in. All right. This is,
Starting point is 00:07:32 and we want everybody to look up. This is the YouTube video. Uh, jaw rule, thug loving featuring Bobby Brown. This is how we're all, this will be coming out a few days into 2022, but we still think this is the right way for you to ring in your 2022 with this kind of energy.
Starting point is 00:07:49 It's insane. All right. I told you. Yeah, he did, huh? He came running out with a Falcons jersey on. Sorry, I had to sit through a 15 second google ad but that was very worth it it was i told you it's really his whole energy this entire video is very 54 has a great hit it's all very good at 54 seconds he's doing that i'm in a squat but i'm still thrusting my crotch out kind of move you don't even they don't even dance like
Starting point is 00:08:23 that anymore i've never seen it on tiktok no dude i watched showgirls last night and there's a moment it was great but there's a moment where uh their court speaking of 1995 they're choreographing it was my second time was my boyfriend's first and i was like you know obviously the most romantic movie ever made we have to watch showgirls together it's new year's eve exactly you got to get in the mood and then there's a moment where um the choreographer is coaching nomi on how to do the showgirl routine and he's just screaming thrust it thrust it at the top of his lungs and that is the energy everyone was bringing in that video so i sent that nick cage video a version i could find he also does a front flip whoa nicholas front flip is nuts that's quite a front flip and he
Starting point is 00:09:13 just throws money into the crowd it is crazy nicholas cage entrance on wogan 1992 is the video wow wogan i'm not aware of wogan i think he was a british i think he's a british talk show host i see oh this is blow right yeah he was tons of it right before the interview whoa oh no he's a coppola for sure yeah he's too hyped this is his first press tour yeah how do you sit down and talk about the movie i don't know yeah how do you sit down and talk about the movie after that? I don't know. Yeah, how do you sit down and talk about anything? I threw money. Other than a plan to open, like, a restaurant. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:52 The audience is just, like, fighting each other to scramble for the bills. And you're like, I have to go to prepare for this role. Why do you have all those Deutschmarks on him? This is an emerging Bosnian currency that he's throwing out to the audience? Where did he just come from? It was pre-heroes. You know, Kosovo wasn't a country yet, but Nick Cage had the currency. Well, he got them from Slobodan Milosevic.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Bet you didn't think he was going to come up today. 1995, y'all. Slobodan Milosevic. You need a Slobodan, you're old. I'm Slobodan, y'all. Slow it on Milosevic. You need to slow it on your roll, dude. Slow it on your... Slow it on your Milosevic. He was a bad dude, right? No, he was not a good man.
Starting point is 00:10:39 You know the guy who killed himself in the Hague by drinking poison? That was Nick Cage's source. killed himself in the Hague by drinking poison. That was Nick Cage's source. Oh, man. Nick Cage had a dinner with him earlier that night. Oh, man. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Allison, thank you so much for joining us again. This is our favorite annual tradition here on the All Fantasy Everything podcast. Oh, it's such a pleasure. You know, we're in lockdown two, electric boogaloo, choose your own adventure. There's no other Zoom call I would rather be tuning into. I'm so excited. Three of us are wearing, four of us, Marissa included, are wearing stocking caps
Starting point is 00:11:17 with balls on the top. And you're not. And we're doing that to frame you, to sort of provide a frame for your excellence and your genius. We want you to shine. Yeah, see doing that to frame you, to sort of provide a frame for your excellence and your genius. We want you to shine. Yeah. See, I saw it as like marking territory.
Starting point is 00:11:28 It's like you are the odd one out. We are beanie people and you are not. Not that at all. You know how like in Star Wars when like the emperor has like all those dudes dressed in red with those long sticks? Yep. That's us. You are the emperor. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I'm Snoke. I'm whatever that was. We're the cardinals. You are the pope. Yeah. You'm Snoke. I'm whatever that was. We're the cardinals. You are the pope. Yeah. You know how in Star Wars where the emperor has a new groove? We're David Spade. You know in the ancient Incan Empire when a sorceress played by Eartha Kitt, someone
Starting point is 00:11:58 I did not know about when I watched that movie? You didn't know about her before that movie? I mean, like I was a child. I think I had watched a lot of the movie Boomerang coming up, so I knew where she was coming from. That's the movie where the emperor goes to Jamaica and hooks up with pay digs, right? Are you talking about Boomer?
Starting point is 00:12:18 That's how Boomer got her rang back. I just think there's that moment when you're like, you're watching animated movies as a child and you're like, that's literally a talking lion as far as I know. And they look up earlier and you're like, oh, that's Darth Vader. Like that's the same, that's the same person. But Eartha Kitt in that movie, you see Eartha Kitt and you're like, oh, that's the same.
Starting point is 00:12:40 That was that person. Yeah. She was, she was purple and tribbed in real life as well yeah yeah yeah and she played jafar as well just little known fans not the voice just the act my pungent little friend am i the only one who was surprised that there was never an r&b singer named jafar or like you know no one was ever named like i. Like, I've met kids named, like, Shaq and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, sure.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Nobody named their kid after Jafar? It's weird that we haven't met a Jafar. That's what I'm, that's all I'm saying. Like, there should be some, like, you know, pro baseball prospect from the Dominican. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jafar Villalobos or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:24 It's pronounced Jafar. Jafar. Yeah. Jafar Villalobos or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pronounced Jafar. Jafar, yeah. Jafar Villalobos. A Brazilian mixed martial arts fighter named like Jafar Gracie or something like that. It's weird. Yeah. You're right. That is weird.
Starting point is 00:13:37 It is weird that that didn't get traction. I've never understood it. He was the waviest guy in that movie, but you know. If you were having a baby, name that baby Jafar. And let us know and we'll get you an extra discount on whatever sponsors this episode of AFV. I believe it's
Starting point is 00:13:53 MeUndies. Sean Jordan is here. Sean is Jordan on Twitter. Sean Cougar Melon Jordan on Instagram. Sean knit cap with a ball on top by White Claw. He's here. Yep, right here, man. Sean Jordan, how are you? What do you got going on? I'm good. Come to Seattle tonight if I'm still
Starting point is 00:14:11 doing the show. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I'll probably. I don't know. Anyway, if it's still on the website, show up. Other than that, I'm doing great. Happy New Year. I'm excited. I'm excited to see all of you. Sean Jordan storming the Capitol Hill on January 6th when this drops. day is that was last year whole different show whole different show never forget we never forgot where was sean jordan on january 6th
Starting point is 00:14:35 i don't know where was and i'm animus citizen of the world dude that's that's everywhere i'll say i've said it before i'll say it again that is is a weird answer. I know where I was. I was at work. Yeah, I was watching it like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Yeah, it was intense, man. Oh, stop saying pics. Sorry, we got to stop saying pics. It was crazy to be there.
Starting point is 00:14:57 That was the wild thing. Like, you thought it was weird being at work. Not if you believe in what was going on. Crazy not to be there. Yeah. Do you have any other? So the crocodile, the crocodylite tonight? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Perhaps in Seattle? Perhaps. And then Minneapolis, Comedy Corner Underground, February 15th through the 17th. But again, perhaps. Hopefully. Right? Hopefully. Hopefully.
Starting point is 00:15:24 It's so cool how all our plans have asterisks on them again. Yeah. Well, we're going to be doing some live streaming. That doesn't have any asterisks on it. No. Oh, that's right. What day is that again? January 14th.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Okay, so I might have to move that because I have to get a root canal that day. So I wonder if we can move it to the 15th. Are you guys open that day? I'll email the dude after this, but yeah. I's a saturday yeah okay cool cool we'll record a separate drop for this whatever window ian is most hopped up on painkillers that's when i should be doing this i say we take it i also have a root canal january 13th i have a root canal whoa okay sorry you ain't gonna want to do anything on the 14th anyways that's not what that's not where we're at right now no but i'll tell you i had a root canal when i was in glendale
Starting point is 00:16:09 and um i'm proud of you i'm proud of both of you it's like it's not that bad zach said it was kind of fun because he's a psychopath i feel like you were always having root canals and i don't know i had one but i had a lot of i had a lot of work that i had to get done over the last year at the dentist yeah me too i've started that process it to get done over the last year at the dentist. Yeah, me too. I've started that process. It wasn't bad. Honestly, the shot, you get the shot. That's it. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Put some earbuds in. Anyway, the point is we're going to have a big all fantasy everything live stream coming sometime in January pending dental surgeries. Sponsored by Vicodin. Sponsored by Vicodin. They didn't give me any of the good stuff by the way after i got my root canal did they give you the bad stuff she pretty much called me a coward and she's like just take some ibuprofen i was like come on it hurts man nothing
Starting point is 00:16:55 no script no nothing well no maybe if you weren't wearing that white claw hat with a ball on top they would have been more willing um So keep an eye out for that. We'll record separate details. Yeah. Other than that, no, man. I'm just happy to see everybody. This is fun, and I'm excited about my picks. Good.
Starting point is 00:17:17 That's the right attitude. Sean Jordan is here. We talked about that. David Borey is also here. Cool Guy J jokes 77 on instagram not on twitter no sir no not on twitter but you left the bad place i did i had to get out of there that's how everybody responds to it's never like like you said it last episode ian nobody's ever like you left left Twitter. Why? It's so great. Everybody's like, well, everybody's always just like, oh, good for you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:50 But like the highest approval rating decision anyone could ever make. Yeah. Yeah. I can't. I can't. I can't go back. Sometimes I think. One of my primary group chats, I am, I'm now officially the last one person standing on
Starting point is 00:18:03 Twitter. Like, I just have to tell everyone the terrible things that are happening because I'm the last one person standing on twitter like i just have to tell everyone the terrible things that are happening because i'm the only one who's there to witness them yeah see and that's the good thing because i live in denver now so you know my friends that aren't comedians aren't on twitter either so i don't even get the like i don't even get the updates like nobody's like oh i saw this on twitter except for that i heard about the nancy reagan thing but that's it that's the only thing that's pretty funny it was pretty funny dana's parents dana's we were talking about the nancy reagan blowjob queen of hollywood allison on the episode
Starting point is 00:18:35 with this movie dana was on last week and her parents listened to it they might even be listening to this episode so we were like five minutes into that conversation before I remembered that her parents would definitely be listening to it. And I've been thrown around. Nancy Reagan was sorkin dorks all over Hollywood. He definitely said sorkin dorks, which is also my newsroom fanfic chat room. I was going to say the sorkin dorks. gonna say the sorkin dorks you know everyone can benefit from some american history including including your fiance's parents i think i'm sure i appreciated the education american history triple x perfect she didn't she didn't put her mouth on the curb though
Starting point is 00:19:21 uh but are we, is this my date? I don't, I don't, I don't, my stuff is really, it's all guys. It's up in the air. I want to like, I don't,
Starting point is 00:19:32 I just don't want you to buy tickets to a show. That's going to get canceled. So I'm gonna not say anything, but I could be in the Bay area in March, you know, and I could be in Austin soon. But we'll figure it out. Listen, guys, just go online.
Starting point is 00:19:50 I've been watching a lot of YouTubes about restoring old metal objects. Yeah. I've been finding a lot of joy in that. Go to the park. Keep your ass ass liquid right now. I'm mad liquid. So just be liquid right now. I'm mad liquid. Just be liquid right now. Be liquid.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Keep doing your part, and eventually, we'll go on tour together again. That's right. It's coming up. It's going to be fun. You keep doing my part? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just the world.
Starting point is 00:20:16 You keep doing their part. Yeah. I'm kind of screaming into the echo chamber here, because everybody that listens to this is dope. Can I say that? Can I say that? everybody that listens to this is dope so can i say that can i say that if you if you're listening to this podcast and you're not vaccinated we don't support you we don't we don't have your back we do not we don't think you're a cool guy we don't think you're a cool guy we don't think
Starting point is 00:20:38 it's fun how you're doing that and uh we think the questions you're asking are stupid yeah and that's all I got. I think we can all turn the key on that ballistic missile launch. Only you have the power to change it. It sucks what you're doing. And your Facebook presence quite honestly is pissing everyone off. Yeah. I hope you catch yourself in the mirror and you find it an unpleasant experience the next time it happens.
Starting point is 00:21:07 The vaccine ripped apart the Jordan's Christmas in South Dakota this year. It was like my uncle. I don't think that's the only Christmas it ripped apart. No, but it wasn't around yet. Like you're right. It ripped apart Christmases for decades, but it just wasn't the vaccine yet. But my uncle was using, in so many words, just completely alienated
Starting point is 00:21:28 the half of the family who doesn't want to get vaccinated, which, great, you know, do it. But he just was... That's such a fun twist on... I thought you were going to say, like, your uncle was, like, the loud and wrong one who didn't want to get vaccinated. But no, he's, like, the only angry uncle who's on the right side of history.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Uncles are so often cast as the villain in every vaccine related story it's always my uncle it's always my uncle i feel like in every story in general because we like because we like to hang out late nights and smoke reefer right you know now now we're bad uncle blah blah blah sorry my mom i thought it was gonna go that way and my mom told me what she like the first part of the text. I was like, oh, here we go again. Then I was like, oh, oh, oh, what a fun twist. But then, you know, it was alienating my other uncle who is anti-vax.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And so there is an uncle on the wrong side. It's so cool how Omicron heated up just in time for everyone to spend their entire family gathering arguing about COVID again. It's just like amazing timing. Yeah, isn't it tight that they couldn't just come together and thankful to see each other? It seems self-aware, the virus. You know what I mean? It does seem like it's got
Starting point is 00:22:37 excellent timing for it. Well, obviously it's self-aware. It was designed by Robot Techs in Japan. Go off. Sound off. David has been spending time on youtube uh i'm a red pill guy now let him know dude yeah i'm a fucking i'm i'm dude i took a red shot dude i skipped the pill entirely red shot right to my aorta give it give me the bottle give me the give me the red pills please red pills Red Pilsner, dude. I took a red.
Starting point is 00:23:08 That was a great Catskills comedian. Red Pilsner. Red Pilsner. Allison Herman is here. A Herman 2006. From A Herman 1995 baking tonight to A Herman 2006 on Twitter and Instagram. That's the, that's the handle.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I have synergy, synergy across platforms. That's the handle. Uh, where can people, where can people check out? I mean, the ringer.com.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Yes. The ringer.com is a great, you wrote about Joan Didion and Eve Babitz. I did, uh, two writers who wrote a lot about L.A. Yeah. I write about TV mostly.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I write a little bit about movies sometimes. You know, it's a grab bag. You can check it all out. Oh, yeah. When are we getting the Alison Herman book? Your parents and I want to know.
Starting point is 00:24:00 My parents do want to know, so thanks for asking on their behalf. You know, we'll figure it out. I'm just waiting for something that I'm willing to spend, you know. You are engaged to be married to someone who has written a book. You know what the process is like. I can't believe you're wishing that upon me.
Starting point is 00:24:17 It's gnarly. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm wishing the book upon me is what I'm doing. And then as far as your labor, that happens off camera for me. So, you know. Fair enough. That's how I feel about literally everything I'm doing. And then as far as your labor, that happens off camera for me. So, you know, fair enough. I feel about literally everything I can do. Get back to the lab and call me back later. As a, as a fan of the things you write, I just, you know, I'm set, I'm setting my intentions for the year and that includes you doing a lot of work and then me getting to enjoy it.
Starting point is 00:24:42 That's all that's happening. I want that for you. I don't know if I want that for me yet. But in the meantime, what are some of your favorite things that you've written this year that you'd like to point people towards? Okay. Well, I wrote a really big feature about Succession that was about how they make the show and how they make being rich look super not appealing. That was so good and captured a thing that I had realized subconsciously
Starting point is 00:25:09 but hadn't really dawned on me. Yeah, I mean, secretly that's the really cool part of my job is that I can just vaguely notice something and then I can be like, you know what, I can just harass HBO's PR department and force someone to tell me about that. Because trust me, they don't like it if you're not a writer. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Exactly. I'm not just like some random person who's like, just tell me what I want to know about this show, and I won't share it with anyone. Yeah, you're not just like, you're not screaming, bring back Arliss. Yeah. David, Sean, and I have been agitating for info on whether Rock got all those vests from Ballers,
Starting point is 00:25:44 and it's been fruitless so far. You just fucking tell me. Yeah. When it's Elizabeth Warren being like, I'm going to hold up your merger with discovery until you give me a private meeting with Dwayne, the rock Johnson from my favorite show. They're not super into it. All I want to do after watching succession is hold up a merger. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:04 It looks awesome yeah i wrote about that and i wrote about um a show called the chair i got to talk to the co-creator and talk about academia which is you know everyone's favorite sexy topic yeah and you know those are some highlights it was my second choice of places to hide out if stand-up comedy didn't work out academia yeah for me it was macadamia i'd hide out on a macadamia farm in hawaii oh yeah my life man act like i don't got the tahoe cookies around the corner oh i keep that thing on me yeah i ate so many macadamia nuts when i was in hawaii this year that's that's my first five picks yeah kind of feel crazy because you feel like you're like this feels like a dollar a nut it's not the price is not a dollar a nut but you're like this is like
Starting point is 00:26:51 it's like i'm eating pearls they're rich it does feel like that it is like i think it's one of the i mean i know caviar like is caviar but it does feel like that's the richest thing you can eat even though it's not yeah yeah macadamia nuts you always feel like okay who's this big spender yeah look at me like a cat i feel like i should be on a throne when i eat them but i'm yeah are you telling people like they don't make these nuts on the mainland no i'm always sitting on the edge of a bed yeah me too i'm always sitting on the edge of a bed drunk in fuck it mode where it's like no i'm just gonna eat these nuts yeah today i'm already thrown out today health-wise so i'm just gonna eat this entire thing of nuts these fucking blonde nuts i think i've only had them in cookies
Starting point is 00:27:34 well we never had them straight it's a new year dude we can change that real quick uh so check out allison's book forthcoming in 2022 a deep dive on where the rock got all of his vests from the show Ballers yeah I'm gonna start I'm gonna write and publish a book in 2022 that's definitely the timeline absolutely but no
Starting point is 00:27:59 seriously check out all of Allison's wonderful work on the ringer and also if you want to do a deep dive on the rock i'm here for it yeah something about me doesn't trust him it's the same way i feel about terry cruz yeah there's something there's something going on with the rock i mean he did just announce that he's never coming back to fast and furious so clearly he has a lot of free time on his hands to talk about this doing what though what the fuck is he doing i just never feel like much like i much like terry cruz i just never felt
Starting point is 00:28:25 like the rock was on my team there are a lot of people in pop culture who feel like they're doing the thing we know them for as an excuse to get something else across the goal line right now like i don't think ryan reynolds enjoys being in movies i think he's just being in movies so he can keep pushing mint mobile and aviation gin and peloton i don't think he likes being funny i think he's one of those guys who's like i'm an actor like if you talk to him you know what i mean like when keenan thompson does an interview he's like i'm an actor first you're like jonah hill does the same stuff where you're like he won't even talk about some of the old roles and you're like just talk about it it was
Starting point is 00:29:03 hilarious i don't know with ryan reynolds once he went into advertising i'm like you found your calling like that's what you do you don't make entertainment you sell a product yes that's what you do even that's what deadpool was it was him selling marvel it didn't feel like an acting performance at all no no no no everybody's got a fucking thing now yeah there's sometimes when people because that's the weird thing about being funny and i'll and i'll end it with this this is not an important aside that's the weird thing though is like there's these people who like can speak the language like they know the beats yeah but it's not genuine you know who i think is great at that zach efron yeah it's like you understand the rhythm and the
Starting point is 00:29:46 pace of what how funny works but you're not invested in the product right they can speak funny but they'll never lose their accent it's always in there yeah you're always gonna be from germany yeah but at the end of the day i just wanted on the on the books i do not trust the rock or terry crews perfect yeah we're gonna replay that in like five years when The Rock is like in jail for white collar crime or something. You start coming. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Yeah. It's not exactly a Hannibal Buress, Bill Cosby situation. That's not exactly what's going on. It's not that. No, no, no, no. I want it to be known that it's not. I have no proof of anything. But, you know.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Just in my heart. It's not that kind of problematic of anything but you know just in my heart it's not that kind of problematic thing but there is something going on i just don't trust them i like to call that a soft cancellation you know there's like the hard cancellation of like oh no you did something criminal and then there's the like you know you're probably just not great i'm just i wouldn't want to hang out with you i just kind of think you might be a butthead. Gal Gadot has her own line of noodles. And I'm like, this we needed? You're selling noodles?
Starting point is 00:30:51 What is a noodle line? Is it like she has angel hair and rigatoni? I think she has a few different kinds of noodles and I'm like, what? What? Why? Just because a celebrity hadn't done that yet? I'm not one of those people who thinks celebrities
Starting point is 00:31:08 can really do anything, let alone, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I hate when it's like, oh, Wonder Woman noodles. Like, who the fuck does she know about noodles? The only celebrity noodle line I have any interest in is Stanley Tucci. Yeah, I mean, obviously.
Starting point is 00:31:26 If that man came out with a pasta line, I would be like, yes. That's coming from a real place. Tucci noodles? Yeah. I would get those. Toodles, dude. I'd eat toodles for sure. That's coming from a real place, and Emily Blunt's sister is standing adjacent to that place. I'm into it. Sell me those noodles.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Shout out to Stanley Tucci. Oh, Jacqueline Blunt? What's her name? Jacqueline Blunt? It doesn't sound like Emily Blunt's sister. Jackie Blunt is a different guy, dude. Jackie Blunt is a bookie. Anyway, celebrities selling stuff that you have like a big investment in, we got your eye on you.
Starting point is 00:32:01 I know as James Corden's's right hand man that seems uh like an arched eyebrow but he's not invested in couric he's just selling that shit all right i'm talking about even though i didn't even watch more commercials putting out gin yeah ryan reynolds has a gin yeah and mid mobile that's his big thing right mid mobile yeah i think he had a gin i think he pulled the clooney thing of like he cashed out big and has moved on from the gin industry he's already moved on what what are you doing with that money ryan reynolds
Starting point is 00:32:34 yeah man put it back into the gin industry we need new innovation i had pink gin in england once apparently like gin is pink did you have to go to the doctor no i don't even it sounds like a weird english disease is the i don't know what i don't know what would make it pink i was gonna say something that was not gonna be based in anything just a little bit of blood my name is ian my name is ian carmel at ian carmel on twitter at ian carmel on
Starting point is 00:32:59 instagram at ian carmel on jewish amazon.com app that I'm using to purchase Alison Herman's forthcoming book on Dwayne, the rock Johnson's amazing plaid vests from the TV show ballers. Can I use your password for Jewish Amazon? Cause we don't get things before they come out on my regular Amazon. You definitely can't. Amazon. Zabar smoked salmon. Jamazon is where Jackie Blunt's hanging out.
Starting point is 00:33:26 It's Jamazon. And you can get Neil Diamond's weird remake of The Jazz Singer on there. It's the only thing that's streaming. Kenny G's entire discography. Yeah. Did you guys watch that Kenny G doc? I don't want to say it. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:33:40 I feel like I'm saying pics. I'm sorry. I watched it too. And something weird was going on in seattle in in the 80s and 90s that was my that was my big guy i don't know man i gotta walk away not liking it very much you got a list of enemies coming out man who you telling nerd confidence nerd confidence is is has become a nefarious and uh and dark thing i've been against it from the jump look at billy mitchell king of kong that nerd confidence where you're like that guy has become a nefarious and dark thing. I've been against it from the jump.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Look at Billy Mitchell, King of Kong, that nerd confidence where you're like, that guy probably hits girls. He's insane. You talking about Fistful of Quarters? No, King of Kong. That's what the movie's called, King of Kong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Oh, it is, really? Yeah, sorry. I didn't know that. Sean, take off that hat, dude. It's blocking your third eye. Damn, I gotta open my mind's eye, bro. To the White right there's no such thing right now the seltzer sauce no no such thing which is another the only other thing you can buy on jamazon uh every flavor of seltzer dr browns has his own sub page on there. This one's caramel. Egg cream base.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Egg cream salsa. I don't have anything to promote. By now, the Late Late Show is back. Hopefully, we're back on the air and that we haven't been wiped out by Omicron. Watch Sex Unzipped on Netflix. Listen to All Fantasy Everything. Oh, wait. Can I say one?
Starting point is 00:35:04 Oh, yeah. and see everything and uh oh wait can i say one oh yeah january 18th faded denver chalet was sharp coming in from new york city oh new york yeah oh june big apple york city dude i didn't say that i said i didn't say that i said i didn't say it i said it i don't believe it i think it's uh it's true there's a lot of stuff going on in that city. We are gathered. Not only to talk about Jew York city, the capital of the Eastern seaboard, but also to fantasy draft the year in pop culture, 2021.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Now, the way we determine the order of that draft is through a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors played between the three of you. And we throw them on shoot. Here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, the three of you and we throw them on shoot. Here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot!
Starting point is 00:35:47 Oh, David wins! The champion is back. Sean Jordan had like four or five in a row. Yeah, man, I was on a streak. David Boy, as the winner of rock, paper, scissors, it is incumbent upon you to determine the order of today's draft, but before you do that, I will remind you it is a serpentine draft.
Starting point is 00:36:01 And what is that? Great question. I had to scrape my windshield the other day and it's just like that if you've ever scraped a windshield or if you haven't you just kind of start at the top and you scrape all the ice off from right to left and then you go down a little bit you scrape all the ice off from left to right go down a little bit right to left down a little bit left to right until you've scraped off what you think is all the ice and then you get in your car and you realize there's a bunch of ice still on the car. But you're like, ah, I'm driving anyways.
Starting point is 00:36:29 And then, you know, you just dangerously drive with too much ice on your windshield. Great day for Sean Jordan analogies. We got pizza and ranch. We got wiping your windshield. I can't wait to see what's next. I forgot about pizza and ranch. These are my albums, man.
Starting point is 00:36:44 If there's an of the people, he's the man of them. I'll tell, man. If there's an of the people, he's the man of them. I'll tell you that right now. If there's the people, he's the man of them. So many from the YA draft where people are just like, don't change. Just be you. They're like sleepers and shit. They're like, don't let anybody bring you down. I'm like, I wasn't down until I'm reading these.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Nobody was bringing you down. We were trying to bring you up. I know that. I know, David. it'd be like you'd be perfect if you just would wear a mask at some point during this whole thing yeah other than that would have been perfect if you didn't go to the capitol on january 6th yeah but i did i'd have been perfect if i accomplished my mission but that's neither here nor there it's there my mission can you imagine if you said something like that in real life i hate you military terms not in the military oh my god when they say fuel
Starting point is 00:37:28 yeah run into someone that says fuel you're like or i could get some gas i got fuel i gotta discharge all those things are terrible i grew up around too many mormons so when i hear my mission i think like two years in like a pacific island nation oh yeah just go building the house in Guam. Man, I used to feel so bad. You'd see those dudes walking around Glendale sometimes and you're like, oh, you poor, poor, poor young men just walking around Glendale.
Starting point is 00:37:53 I lived above my first apartment and we bullied them. We weren't cool. There's like not a better way to say it you're like on tour in cleveland and you see like the mormon missionaries there and you're like we're not so different right now yeah yeah we're both yeah we're in a strange city we're both in this hotel trying to appeal to strangers shout out to hilarities but yeah in la mormons are like out culted by the scientologists so they don't really get a chance to shine. For sure.
Starting point is 00:38:25 But, like, in San Diego, they are everywhere. They run that town. Like, Mitt Romney, the reason why he has a summer house in San Diego? Oh. Mormon town. I grew up in a Mormon town, too. The specific area of Beaverton I was in
Starting point is 00:38:38 was, like, super Mormon. And I gotta say, shout out to Mormons. Really enjoyed their presence in my life knew a bunch of great ones yeah i have no left or right i'm pretty neutral on the morms yeah morms can i say that yeah it's probably uncomfortable generalizing any group like this but i feel like if you can it's hard when you just shorten it and put an s on the end it's never a good it's really never a good idea i'd have been big time mormon so i'll just jump in with this took his senior pictures in full star wars jedi regalia sweet sweet man had a mel brooks
Starting point is 00:39:11 theme birthday oh really yeah that's cool that's like mormon jewish like cross-cultural a lot solidarity we took a very very creamy version of that like that meme of the buff left and arm right. Oh, for Predators? Yeah, the black and white arm. Oh, man. Yeah, that's rad. I interrupted you, Allison. Then I interrupted you, David.
Starting point is 00:39:37 I had nothing of value to say. Yeah, I was going to make some kind of a punching a horse joke at the birthday party. Ah, like Roberto Duran. No, like when Mongo blazing. Listen, can I pick the order, man? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:51 So basically what it means is if you pick first in the second round, with that in mind, what will today's order be, David Borey? I'm going Allison, David, Sean, Ian. Allison, David, Sean. No, wait, wait. Allison, Sean, David, Ian. Okay. All right. Thanks. alice and david sean ian alice and david sean no wait wait alice and sean david ian ah okay all right thanks it's like a nice zigzag pattern across my zoom screen that's a lot of the reason i do it to be honest alice and sean david ian hot corner i'll say it
Starting point is 00:40:19 hot corner uh which means alice and you have the first pick in the 2021 all fantasy everything pop culture draft the sixth one we've done together my how time flies okay well wait wait wait first first i mean i'm sorry i'm so sorry to interrupt you one more time i'm only doing it now because we have to take an extremely short break this episode episode of All Fantasy Everything is brought to you by Schedule 35. Now, microdosing is an absolute game changer. I have never heard a bad word about it. And like we said, this episode of All Fantasy Everything is brought to you by Schedule 35, our partner in getting things done. Imagine if you could, let me just take you on a walk. You got a tool, sharpens your focus. It's going to clear your mind up. It's going to keep your anxiety at bay, which, man, wouldn't that be nice?
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Starting point is 00:42:42 recorded a podcast except for you guys. That's why this works so well. That right it's a match someone that gets it finally some trailblazers of media together that's right speaking of alice and herman's writings keep a lookout for simply the vest a 300 page meditation on the vest worn by duane the rock johnson god now that we have a title i have to do it. Did you write that in the bathroom? That was great. I thought of it while I was being, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:11 It's on the mirror and lipstick, isn't it? All over the mirror. I reconvened the late, late show writer's room just to get that going. I have a list of, I have a document with 60. I need some gold.
Starting point is 00:43:22 I got to get back in there. You pulled up a zoom call on your phone. Ignore the stream. Oh, man. I love that. No bad ideas. Alright, everybody go. Allison, you have the first pick. Yeah, it's almost an hour in. We're making great progress. We're doing it. So yeah, I have a sort of
Starting point is 00:43:39 tradition within a tradition of doing like a slightly more abstract concept for my first picks. You know, something a little broader. And this year, my first pick is movie theaters because we did not get to go in them for most of 2020. And we may not get to go in them for a good chunk of 2022, who can say, but for 2021, um, I personally went to the movie theater like 2021, I personally went to the movie theater like several dozen times because I really missed it. The Pfizer shot was like freshly in my bloodstream when I pulled into the Burbank Town Center because those were the only theaters that were open. I love that place. I love it there.
Starting point is 00:44:21 It's really become I've hit like two of the three burbank amcs in the last like month like i've become a i've become a burbank aficionado almost because of the pandemic because you know the arc light rip man which is crazy which is crazy the vista theater still hibernating quentin tarantino's got to work his magic, but the AMCs to use a really geographically specific reference are all open in their own Burbank. I think they're open around the country, right?
Starting point is 00:44:54 It's all like you go to the Burbank Town Center. If somebody just dropped you in the middle, you wouldn't be like, oh, Burbank. You'd be like, here's a movie theater and a mall and a Fuddruckers. The first place I drove when I moved to LA the very first time when i did not a soul down here and like like pre-social media and all that i landed in burbank i think it was where the is that where like uh the comedy club and the movie theater in the mall flappers yep landed there and was like okay i can do this because
Starting point is 00:45:22 this is the same everywhere in the world. Yeah. You were starting on like an advanced LA level if you flew into Burbank to move here. That's like year three. I drove into Burbank. I drove into Burbank. Okay, that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:34 I was like, you flew into Burbank. That's too pro. That's too pro. No, no, no, no, no, no. But anyway, movie theaters, I really miss them. I was really glad to have them back. They occupy a very special place in my heart. And when I'm looking back on the year in pop culture,
Starting point is 00:45:49 that's what I think about. I don't want to say pics, but I had a couple of really good, a few, a couple things that made me thankful that I could go to the movies theater and see it that way. I won't say any pics, but we rented one.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Well, Sean, that's not the fucking point. Yeah. Don't say it, but like we, we, you, Sean, that's not the fucking point. Yeah, we can circle. Wait, you rented like a whole theater? We rented a theater. Yeah, that was the only time I went. Oh, I thought you said you rented a movie.
Starting point is 00:46:10 I was like, dude. No, not an asshole. Are you going to say this pick? Probably. Is the movie going to be one of your picks? Okay, then we'll circle back to it. I imagine, because it's fun. But yeah, we rented a theater.
Starting point is 00:46:20 That was the only time I went the whole year was we rented one, and that was it. What did you see? I'll pick it later. It'll come up. Nobody else will pick it, I rented a theater. That was the only time I went the whole year was we rented one. And that was it. What did you see? I'll pick it later. It'll come up. Nobody else will pick it, I don't think. No, they won't. I'll pick it last.
Starting point is 00:46:32 This is such a great pick. It was really one of those you don't know what you got until it's gone kind of things. And when we finally got to go back, it was like, oh, yeah, this is. I feel I only saw two movies in theaters this year for i don't even really know why because most of the movies i wanted to see in the theater came out when it was like started to feel dicey again but uh the two i saw felt like the right two which will come up later what's your what's your uh movie theater order Allison? What do you, how do you? Good question.
Starting point is 00:47:06 Snack wise, where do you like to sit? Paint the picture for us. So I'm not, I'm not a snack person, which is probably how I can financially afford to go to the movies as much as I do. Oh yeah. Although my boyfriend's mother gave me an AMC Stubbs membership for Hanukkah.
Starting point is 00:47:20 So like. Yes. I'm ready. What is that? Is that the three movies a week kind of thing? Yeah, that's like their movie pass competitor, but it outlasted movie pass. So now they're just losing money. Don't they sometimes it's like, oh, come and get a free hot dog or something like that.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Yeah, they have lots of perks. So I'm not really a movie theater snack food person, but I've become a, I've become like a front of the theater partisan post pandemic. This is like, I think it's because like, I want to be as close to the screen so the screen feels as big as possible
Starting point is 00:47:54 because I don't get that at home. So I'm like, just like envelop me. Like I'm in like the third row these days. Yeah. Okay. Just like a kid, just like, oh. Yeah. And and i'm also i think uh my my
Starting point is 00:48:08 personal movie theater quirk is that i'm a big movies alone person oh same huge yeah huge it's the way it's the way i like it the best well because you're you're not talking during it you don't need another person to be there with you and then it also just means like you're more flexible it means like i can be like oh i have like a weird night off in the middle of the week and like i could try to source someone who's willing to drive to like the grove or pasadena with me exactly i could also just do that by myself can i give some advice though don't go see a 4XD by yourself. It's weird. What's a 4XD? Oh, is that like where it shakes and everything?
Starting point is 00:48:49 Yeah, it's weird. Like the rumble pack and it squirts water and stuff? Yeah. It makes you feel more lonely. Yeah. I feel like doing that, it's less like, it would be less weird if I were doing it just by myself, but like in a big crowd. But if you're like the only person who's getting like a jet of water to the face
Starting point is 00:49:09 yeah that's not that's not ideal that's what i'm saying it's it's a fucking bummer don't do like a weekday matinee that's not going to an amusement park alone more it falls more i've never done that yeah i don't i don't see that happening I feel like most people haven't gone to an amusement park alone. Yeah. I don't think that's a common one. I saw a guy on TikTok who figured out that if you get like an annual pass to Six Flags, you get free food. And so he went to Six Flags by himself for lunch every day so that he could just.
Starting point is 00:49:39 It's pretty funny. Yeah. And then he would like occasionally ride a roller coaster. But I think that's the only acceptable. Whereas movie theaters alone are a wonderful experience. and i wish more people allowed themselves to enjoy it that's good did you imagine asking like hey ian what'd you do for lunch today oh i just had a hot dog rode the mind racer i went to six flags this year and uh never again oh you didn't like it i haven't been since I was a kid. I liked it.
Starting point is 00:50:06 I liked it. But I was with, it was me, Corden, and our friend Louie. And Corden got one of those, like, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, escorts. So we, like, there was no waiting in line. And you're supposed to wait in line between roller coasters. That hour is not a bug. It's a feature. So we just, just like mainlined them
Starting point is 00:50:27 it was like roller coaster roller coaster roller coaster with like the only time in between being how long it took to walk from roller coaster to roller coaster oh that's crazy and by the end i was like fuck like my adrenaline was all cattywampus i was just like you were maxed out i was maxed out i i fell i like there was one where I had to bow out and they went and wrote another one. I don't know why only it was affecting me, but I sat there with my head in my hands for like 15 minutes and they came back and I was like half asleep with my head in my hands. And then it was like, all right, let's ride three more roller coasters. It was fucking nuts. three more roller coasters it was fucking nuts it is only doing like the kitty roller coasters with like a gentle slope that just like go in a circle around the mall from here on out that's it and sign me up if it's like if there's like a mouse conductor at the front of a train i want on that roller coaster that's i'm so glad you told me that because now i i would have never thought that i've always every time i've ever gone to an amusement park i'm always like dude get me out of this line no you need that line you need that line that's why
Starting point is 00:51:30 you go with some people you like to have a conversation with and you and you hang out in that line disneyland it's a lot to go through it is a lot like it's a lot i think disneyland is perfect for like the escort who gets you to the front of the line because you're not going to like have your day ruined by going on Thunder Mountain. Jungle Cruise. Jungle Cruise, right. You can chop it up in a way that you get to come down from the adrenaline on the few rides that give it
Starting point is 00:51:54 to you. But Six Flags, it was just fucking rail of coke, rail of coke, rail of coke. That's all over and over and over again. We used to do that at the fair where we'd just be like, I'm going to ride the zipper 30 times tonight. I was 14. We would just ride the zipper in the Gravitron all night
Starting point is 00:52:12 and then get sick and be like, well, yeah, man, you did it 30 times. I don't know where the fun was, but it was in there somewhere. I'll tell you where the fun is, movie theaters. May they return soon. Yep. Sean Jordan, time for your first pick. Well, it's season three of Succession, right?
Starting point is 00:52:29 I mean, I know we talked about it, but I got to take it. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. I held off Succession until about three weeks ago, and I watched all of season two and three in about a week. Wow. You just shock the whole show. Well, so we had a week well you just shock like the whole show well because so we had a kid and it's like say i already don't understand what's going on in succession
Starting point is 00:52:52 they spoon feed it to you with nice little metaphors so you're like okay i get like they'll have that conversation and then they're like well sometimes you just got to shovel the shit out of the driveway and put it in your neighbor's trunk and you're like i don't know some of the some of the some of the metaphors i don't get i don't either but it like it's time to be the fuck stick on diggy tap mountain and i'm like i don't know i get the gist of it like the attitude or what i'm like okay i see who's upset sean are you sure you weren't watching billions succession is the best show ever made about how like complex corporate maneuvers are actually about feelings.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Yeah. It's just like you don't need to understand anything about this except that the dad is mean and the kids are psychologically damaged. And they're all like they're all rich right away. But anyway, so like we had the we had a kid and I'm like, I can't very well watch this complicated show at all right now because i won't get any of it so finally she started like going to bed at a reasonable time and i was like i'm gonna watch it so i watched the whole thing whole two seasons like two weeks ago i think the only people who know what actual business stuff is going on are like the dad frank carl and jerry and i think like every to be fair yeah to be fair i don't think the kids really know either i don't think any of i don't think like they're playing pretend he's just like yeah saying stuff he heard his dad
Starting point is 00:54:09 say that's what it really feels like i mean kendall wanted to buy what i mean what is the huge plot point from season three gojo the streaming yeah he's wanted to buy gojo for a while but like it does feel like none of them really know what's going on business wise a little bit this is a great season for me understanding what was going on in succession because it was all just about like streaming services and i was like i know about that i don't know what a bear hug is but i know what netflix is right yeah i don't know what a bear hug is i don't know what a bear hug is no there's little things in there when he goes where they're like oh he went piss crazy and you're like what that i get where where his p backed up and you're like that
Starting point is 00:54:48 can make you crazy and then you do a little fun googling and you're like oh interesting that can happen that i like it amazing when they sneak in and call roman romulus every now and again it's my favorite part i'm like man his birth name is romulus it's pretty tight his birthday was what i assume that his birth name like his actual birth certificate name is romulus. It's pretty tight. His birthday was what? I assume that his birth name, like his actual birth certificate name is Romulus because when he's very serious, he calls him Romulus. I think it's a nickname, but I think it's like this is the
Starting point is 00:55:14 kind of family where like your casual affectionate name is like an obscure reference to Roman mythology. Yeah, to the twins that founded Rome. I want there to be a Remus that was born out of wedlock and that's the succession spin-off. Well, help me out with this. They call him, his name
Starting point is 00:55:30 is Roman, they call him Rome and only his dad calls him Romulus from time to time. So I always thought Romulus was like his actual, because they call him Rome. And it's like Shiv, Siobhan. I think it's like how the dad also calls Shiv Pinky. Oh, I never thought of that. It's like they have they have like special dad names but yeah
Starting point is 00:55:47 what's the session great show number one boy number one boy you motherfucker that's what he yeah i just i don't know i've like it's very fresh in my mind obviously i i was had to pick it it's like a very accurate pop culture thing and i really need to get at least one of those on the board it gave us it's i mean it's a huge one it gave us so much this this season like i spent this season was nuts fucking nuts because people people were like oh it's so boring oh it's so slow and like i think i mean i'm i'm one of the people who talked myself into believing that kendall died because i was like that would be so baller if they spent the whole season with nothing changing and then we're like you know the
Starting point is 00:56:26 guy who won an Emmy and is like functionally the face of the show he's gone but I really like it we had to wait so long similar to movie theaters it was like we have we went all of 2020 without succession and it really felt like okay we're back
Starting point is 00:56:41 it I was never bored this season I don't i i know i feel like maybe you have to pick a take and like or something like that or i can't understand how somebody was bored i understand they were doing some of the same tricks for a little while but like i thought kendall was dead too i was because like i started reading in all the tea leaves and like the interview in the new yorker and I'm like why would though why would they say this shit if he wasn't if they weren't about to kill him off you know
Starting point is 00:57:10 like his why would Brian Cox and Kieran Culkin like talk about him like this and the answer turned out to be Brian Cox is just old and British and doesn't give a fuck yeah this guy's weird yeah and like he probably is a nightmare to work with but
Starting point is 00:57:26 he gets i mean the fucking the white pants with the sand on it like that whole scene with the three of them it was just so fucking good oh man all i loved i mean it was i didn't i didn't i honestly didn't really even form any theories i love that their mom finally came into play oh yeah she's like all the little morsels you had gotten of her it was always like i need some more of this back her talking to shiv like the whole like i should have had dogs conversation was so fucking heartbreak it's like the meanest thing that's ever been said on the show it was so oh she's right to tom Tom was pretty mean. Yeah. I mean, something I love about this show or like the way the season ended is like things can be both happy and incredibly sad at the same time. Or things can be kind of like right, but also just feel super painful.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Like when the mom is like, it's not good for you to be involved with this company. I'm kind of doing you a favor. You're like, yeah, like all of you should be just fucking off and like living on a private island and like flying you don't feel bad for them for real because you're like yeah well you're all still like insanely wealthy so it doesn't matter you're fine but that's that's the point is that it shows you that the money is not the point these people are fucking broken dude right yeah i know that that's what i'm saying like insanely rich but you don't want to be them i know but like in our world they take in my world anyways they take out that one concern because my only real concern lucky me in my life has been like am i gonna be broke or not
Starting point is 00:58:56 because everything else is pretty good true i love you that's everything else that's that's not i'm telling you everything else i'm working right now fix that right now fix that everything is fine that's insane that's not correct i'm it's just an opinion and i'm saying i'm telling you it is like for me i don't agree with that watching that show hard disagree like i think succession gets that feeling where you're like i you know i'm fortunate to come from like a relatively secure, like upper middle class background where like, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:28 my, you know, my parents didn't have to worry about losing housing or whatever. And then I've met people and I'm like, I don't think I would want to grow up like even 10% more wealthy because like, I've seen what it does to families where like your business is also your most intimate relationship. And I think succession totally gets that.
Starting point is 00:59:45 And like the way season three ended where they're teaming up together and they're going against their dad. And you're like, this is so great because like you've all, you're all realizing who the real villain is, but also you should not care about this. Like you should be, you should all just go to be like,
Starting point is 01:00:02 yes, dad sucks. Let's all go to therapy and unpack this yeah sell your shares and fucking bounce yeah right i'm not saying money would fit that's i feel like i'm not making my point the right way i'm not saying that money fixes things i'm saying that they remove that from that show so you see the personal level of it and then i guess for me i just would look at it and be like well well, they still have tons of money. So that one thing that I'm worried about in my life, they don't have to worry about. So I just looked at it in a different way because I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:32 It just I don't know what I'm trying. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's why it works. That's why it's such a great show. Yeah. Because it works on all these different levels.
Starting point is 01:00:42 It is. It's odd. And then Laura would ask me, she'd sit down and be like, what's going on? I'm like, you just got to watch the whole thing. It's a fucking bear hug. You got to start an episode. I'll tell you what's going on. I got to take you to business school now.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Yeah, this guy's mad at them. She's mad at them. And it's pretty tight. And there's a yacht. So come on. Yeah, for season four, my only note would be you should watch that with your daughter so you can just educate her how the world works. Before bedtime, just be like, this is...
Starting point is 01:01:10 Every time she asks me a question, I'm like, there's an episode of Succession that's going to answer that perfectly and we can watch it right now. Start calling her Pinky. Yeah, anyway, Succession. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what's going on in succession. Is a shirt, a vest, a sweatshirt, a windbreaker, a scarf, and another jacket, dude. Adrian Brody. Adrian Brody. Fit of the year. He looks fucking awesome.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Coming from Portland, Oregon, too. ah coming from portland oregon too that's how a lot of those rich motherfuckers in portland dress is just patagonia core like a patagonia lasagna i never saw patagonia in denver until like the last three years when all these yuppies moved in oh yeah i think i'm one of the yuppies who moved in so i'm not like saying anything but it's like weird patagonia why is patagonia the one that's for rich people? I don't know, man. Just because it's expensive? Yeah, I've never had any. I've never had any North Face.
Starting point is 01:02:09 It never really crossed my mind. Dwarf Corps. David Borey. Succession Season 3. Just an amazing show. Who do you think? Do you think, Allison? Do you think that...
Starting point is 01:02:22 I can't believe I'm blanking on the actor's name. Do you think Kendall? Jeremy Strong is going to win the Emmy again? Or do you think maybe get some competition from his castmates? I mean, I think he's going to do it again. I think for all that all the celebrities got so pissed off about that profile, that's what you want. You want, okay, not only is he an amazing performer, but also here's five insane stories. stories yes i didn't read the profile what are the stories is he nuts
Starting point is 01:02:51 i want like in a way that you have to be it's basically just like he spent his entire career like modeling himself after like really intense method actors like he was daniel day lewis's like literal assistant and there are all these quotes in there from like Kieran Culkin being like, you know, I guess it works for him to like isolate himself from the rest of the cast and not talk to anybody. But like, that's not really my process.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I've only ever seen him be intense and shit. Like even like in the big short, he was just like this the whole time. Aaron Sorkin gives a quote where like he played like a hippie radical in trial of the chicago seven and aaron sorkin had to be like i had to tell him that like we couldn't just like actually poison gas everyone on the set to make it more real because that would be endangering the health of hundreds of people yeah you wanted to get tear gas for realressed for real in these scenes and shit.
Starting point is 01:03:46 God bless. That's insane. Yeah, we need people like that around. Yeah, you need a couple. You need the maniacs. There were all these other actors, and Aaron Sorkin himself also got mad, who seemed to think it was a hit piece, and it's like, no. It's just like, everyone's kind of a little bit
Starting point is 01:04:02 insane, and this guy's insane in this way way and he gives a great performance and that's fine that's how i i didn't think it was a hit piece at all i was like this is great this is who this dude is and god bless it and if you have a problem with it okay but i you know and if you don't fine whatever whatever road it takes to get him to where he's going is fine with me and the best part of the entire profile is there all these co-workers being like yeah he's kind of nuts and then they interview his wife and he has two kids and the wife's like yeah he's like totally normal and fine he's great husband and great dad yeah
Starting point is 01:04:31 he's very chill he keeps it at the office keeps it the office david bory time for your first pick am picking non-fungible token oh it just feels like the most 2020 crypto space mad cash grab celebrities are doing it nuts it just feels so indicative of right now to me speaking of shit no one understands and can explain i don't't. I've read extensively on it. I don't know what the fuck they. I don't get it. I don't understand how all this money is into it. I think you have to have like a crypto wallet to even buy them. But people are making a ton of money.
Starting point is 01:05:18 They seem very polarizing. Some people seem to love them. Something. Some people. It just is like. It's such a like it's such a sign of our times to me of this like major thing that's worth a lot that everyone is terribly confused by how do you feel about it because you are you're like a non-fungible tokens
Starting point is 01:05:38 of my friends i'd be like i could see david possibly getting into it because i mean you have you speculated in silver and like, you know what I mean? You've done like, yeah, I like to get weird money. I like to get weird money. How do you feel about the whole thing? I can't, I can't wrap my head around it. I don't, I just don't, I just don't. It's just so far outside of what I, I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:06:00 I don't know how to make it work. I think it's interesting. I think it's, it's's interesting i think yeah it's really interesting i think it's really interesting and it's like a weird space and like a lot of like weird people are in the space it's like you hear about like all these nba players doing nfts and shit like it's just like yeah it's really odd i can't i don't fully understand it so i can't speak intelligently about it really but what i will say is if if you were doing a pyramid scheme i feel like it would look exactly like and like what nfts are doing right you know what i mean like i'm i'm not saying
Starting point is 01:06:39 it is but i'm saying like it if you were doing a pyramid scheme, I feel like you would do everything the exact same way that NFTs are going. It definitely seems like a space for hucksters too. Yeah. Anyway, we're releasing this episode of the podcast as an NFT deposit, everything in Dogecoin in my crypto wallet. Thank you very much. I actually,
Starting point is 01:07:02 could you split that up? I have Litecoin. It's tough when somebody explains something to you fully and you're like uh none of that stuck i don't get it i've had multiple people try to explain it to me and i'm like nope i don't know what to tell you i just don't understand what you're doing that's how it is for me too i'm like i i just i mean i get it in theory i guess that it is a one of one but it's just like the nature of it. The point of it is the blockchain, right?
Starting point is 01:07:26 Cause it's like the nature of the internet is so weird, but right. Like you bought Charlie bit my finger, but like I can still watch Charlie bit my finger. Yeah. I don't know. Cause we have lots of lists and NFT is a non fungible token, which is essentially like a picture that exists digitally only like it's not just a picture
Starting point is 01:07:46 though right like we could do like it's a picture that exists digitally that is backed up by blockchain which is the same thing that like uh bitcoin is backed up by which is a one of one line of programming that is generated by a bunch of computer servers getting so it is completely unique it's like the idea is like owning a monet or whatever and that it is one of one like we could do we could do like what's a what's a famous afb bit we could do an nft of like of shaklakity or whatever oh yeah yeah or like the first time you said 100 barminton and everything yeah good nft I feel like Marissa could help us out a lot and she's just letting us
Starting point is 01:08:28 drown right now. She explained it to us a long time ago. Yeah, when NFTs were growing in popularity, I pitched this to you guys, but then what holds me back is that they're just so bad for the environment. To mint these NFTs, you have to... Because of the amount of power it takes? Yeah, the amount of power it takes and it's just
Starting point is 01:08:43 like so bad for the environment that it completely turned me off to the idea of NFTs, you have to... Because of the amount of power it takes? Yeah, the amount of power it takes. And it's just like so bad for the environment that it completely turned me off to the idea of NFTs. Everything crypto related just takes a ton of energy and is considered really bad for the environment. Also, like my favorite joke about NFTs and no one has ever convincingly explained to me if this is like right or wrong is that like the modern version of an art heist
Starting point is 01:09:01 is just hitting right click save as. Yeah. That's hilarious. Also, the art is so bad in my opinion they do seem really bad it never seems like cool shit and then like a lot of like hip i feel like i've seen a lot of nfts that are like hip-hop animals does that make sense just like a giraffe with a chain. Yeah. The ape is the big one. Yeah. The Bored Ape Yacht Club is the name of it. And yeah, it's a bunch of just monkeys looking like a guy who spends a lot of time at either a hookah bar or a place that serves kava.
Starting point is 01:09:37 Like, yeah, it's weird. I don't know if I like it or dislike it, but I do know that it is i don't i don't know if i like it or dislike it but i do know that it is so of of this is so of the time like 20 years from now we're not going to be like oh man nft still we're going to be like man it's going to be it's going to be like swatch watches we're like what the fuck is this it's either going to be a fucking ridiculous it's going to be pogs 2.0 or it's or beanie babies or it's going to be these are gonna or we're all gonna be working for some like nft farmer right like kind of yeah but and like that's what's so fucking weird about it is it's like the other thing is like so many rich people are in on it that's why i don't trust it me neither where i'm like it's like it feels such like a cash grab right yeah that's also true of stocks but like at least i can see
Starting point is 01:10:27 like okay i'm owning a chunk of this business that makes construction equipment right right right right you know like i own part of dewalt they're not right i can go to a dewalt store i own part of caterpillar i own part of like this fucking company that does natural gas i understand that maybe it's evil but i understand what it does which is what's so fucking vexing about nft yeah it is it is tough i just have to stop when i try to understand it i'm like not not today probably probably not tomorrow but when i try again we'll see we'll get this this is a thursday problem this is a thursday but yeah nfts time for my oh my god betty white died my mom just texted me oh god damn it ian are you serious oh yeah mommy betty white died yeah i told my mom sorry oh it Oh, it's okay. Rest in peace to Betty White. Let's make that.
Starting point is 01:11:26 What a run. What a run. Getting out on New Year's Eve to 99. Oh, my God. Everyone say hi to my cat. My cat is mourning Betty White and has leaped up onto the desk. Yeah, we're all sad, Katie. What's her name?
Starting point is 01:11:40 His name is Zuko. Shout out to Zuko. Danny Zuko. He's actually named after the character from Avatar The Last Airbender because he's orange. I knew it. I was going to ask him. Zuko was Kara's brother? No, that's, oh my God, Sokka.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Is the Fire Lord? Yeah, he's the Fire Prince. Okay, okay, okay. And Zuko is real chunky and orange. So I was like, the color vibe works. Gotcha. All right. He's off the desk now.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Honorary pick from all of us, Betty White. What an amazing career in life. And just smoked it to the filter, as you say, Sean Jordan. Yeah, she really did it, man. Just decades of entertainment and on top of the game at every level. And just so funny the whole time. Yeah. So funny. Dang.
Starting point is 01:12:30 R.I.P. Wow. On New Year's Day, kids. Or New Year's Eve. Of course it was New Year's Eve 2021, you motherfucker. Fucking yeah. Well, time for my first pick and tell me if this is too general because it might be.
Starting point is 01:12:45 I don't know if I'm stepping on anyone else here. And I will specify if this is too general. Can I take musicals? Yeah. I don't care. If we can do movie theaters, you can do musicals. Yeah. I'm taking.
Starting point is 01:12:58 So this is going to encompass a few different things. But to me, this was the year musicals made like a roaring comeback and they were like some really, really, really good ones this year, including if I had to narrow this pit down to one thing, my favorite movie experience of the year, I don't know that it was the best movie or anything like that, but my favorite movie experience of the year was seeing West Side Story in theaters again, right before things got kind of dicey but my effiance and I went to
Starting point is 01:13:28 the Glendale Americana and watched West Side Story on the big screen and I was enchanted from the opening seconds until it ended I thought it was so good I thought it was so beautiful they were I've talked about it on here before but there were moments that look where
Starting point is 01:13:44 it looked like it was a movie from the 60s like it was so beautiful. I've talked about it on here before, but there were moments where it looked like it was a movie from the 60s. Like it was lit when Rachel Ziegler and Ansel Elgort were on the fire escape. It looked like a movie from the 60s. I thought the choreography was fantastic, which was hard to do because the original movie's choreography was so iconic.
Starting point is 01:14:10 But I thought they really killed it. thought uh i think mike weiss is that his name or the guy who played uh riff i forget he was so good in it uh the woman who played the woman who sings america i'm blanking on names right now but anita anita yeah was so fantastic that woman she was in uh hamilton too right she's also in schmigadoon randomly her name's ariana debose she's so good so good she was so she came on our show and she was very very enchanting uh she was just fucking the movie i loved it i was sitting there the whole time and I was like, this is why you go to the movie theater. This is why they make movies. This is like this big, fun, beautiful,
Starting point is 01:14:50 devastating at certain points. Rita Moreno was in it and was great again. And like all these songs that are so fucking good. Uh, the year Steven Sondheim left us to see him again on the big screen, Spielberg directed his ass off. I just loved it. I thought it was so good. So also
Starting point is 01:15:05 just to run through the other musicals this year, we got In the Heights. I did watch that. Which was pretty good, I thought. I had a good time in it. That was a big returning to the movies movie for me. Tick Tick Boom with Andrew Garfield. I loved.
Starting point is 01:15:22 I've seen it twice already. It's so crazy that they made a musical about P.O. musical about pod yeah but it was time the culture was ready for it you know what i mean there's nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come i'm sorry continue i i i thought picnic boom was fantastic allison what did you think of it i really liked it i mean i am someone who really does not have the theater kid gene. I really don't fuck with musicals, particularly as like a stage play. Like it's just it have friends who are really well versed in like the history of film and theater and could tell me, you know, here are the, Tony Kushner wrote the screenplay. And they were like, here are things that Tony Kushner does that like make it a really interesting commentary on the original. And here's what it adds. But like I, as someone who doesn't know anything, could just walk in and be like, this is so beautiful.
Starting point is 01:16:23 The camera's moving. It's a big spectacle. Everyone's dancing dancing like it sweeps you up yes and unfortunately none of the musicals made any money so there might not be too many in the future but i'm glad that they all exist they took they took a shot uh yeah i'm marrying someone who's like that knows everything about musical theater but i was just in there like these songs are fun this is this is exactly where i'm like yep give me the songs bring me the dancing give me the fun visuals andrew garfield did a great job in tic-tac-boom i thought like i mean he sang those songs which is i mean what you need to do in a good musical and like and and kind of nailed it was fun and uh I didn't watch all of Schmigadoon, but Dana seemed to enjoy it.
Starting point is 01:17:06 And that was like a musical TV show that came out this year with King Michael Key and... Cecily Strong. Cecily Strong, yeah. Yeah, I really like Schmigadoon. It's also one of those things where you're like, I can't believe someone got money
Starting point is 01:17:19 to make like a spoof of Brigadoon, which is like not a musical anyone even knows about. Yeah. But yeah, just a great, again, like you said,
Starting point is 01:17:31 maybe the only one for a while, but a great year for musicals. I really, really enjoyed all the ones I saw. And yeah, well, I again, can't recommend West Side Story enough,
Starting point is 01:17:41 please. I'm excited to see it. Support these things. So they do try to make more of them. I'm trying to star in a Fiddler on the Roof remake. You will. You will. I think I'm making it. Tevye or another supporting character? Throw me in wherever, but probably
Starting point is 01:17:54 Tevye. Probably Tevye. Yeah, if you're gonna shoot, shoot. Yeah. And then time for my second pick. I'm staying in the movie theaters, although I didn't go see this one in the movie theater, which I didn't go see this one in the movie theater, which I think was one of the, like, they really wanted you to see this one in the movie theaters, but I watched it on the screener.
Starting point is 01:18:13 I'm taking, I'm taking licorice pizza. Oh, yeah. Oh man, that was not what I was. That wasn't what I thought you were going to pick either. I did see, I've seen licorice pizza twice and the second time was at home and I actually really liked it as a home movie, but I did. I, so this year I became a voting member of the writers guild of America. Um,
Starting point is 01:18:34 and my, my back pay for slaving away all those months on a contract was, um, when they opened up the guild screenings, I went to like the first licorice pizza screening in Los Angeles at like 2 PM on a Sunday. Did they have a talk back at it? They did. They had a Q and a with, uh, with Paul, you know, my close personal friend and Alana Heim, but they, you know, in LA they, um, played it all at this one theater in Westwood. Yeah. And, um, yeah, like you had to schlep out and pay like 15 in parking because it's the west side and it was so worth it it was such a great experience where does it rank in your pta movies
Starting point is 01:19:13 first time yeah top five maybe but but maybe five okay like first time towards the bottom actually um but that's because like you know he doesn't make a bad movie he doesn't make anything less than like a really really good movie but um i think the first time like coming after inherent vice and phantom thread yeah which are like i like i fucking love inherent vice it's one of my favorite movies ever made period and then phantom thread is this like it's about like marriage and art and important things and this is like this is like two kids hanging
Starting point is 01:19:50 out and figuring out their life and it doesn't feel as like big or ambitious which the second time around I have I think I appreciated that a lot more but yeah it doesn't like scream like this is important the way like the master does you know yeah right
Starting point is 01:20:05 more in my alley where i'm like cool i can chill i can relax and have a normal heart rate this whole movie and just enjoy it it's it's in the cut it's just it's i mean the word i mean hangout movie gets thrown around so much but it is you just kind of want to hang like cooper hoffman philip seymour hoffman's kid is so good in it he's so charming and he like really feels like a teenager and alana heim is great in it too like she's so charismatic and like funny when i like charismatic's the wrong word like cooper hoffman's charismatic but she's like so funny and i guess it is a kind of charisma like you want to stay with her the supporting cast i thought was like really great alana heim's family played her played her family in the movie
Starting point is 01:20:45 which i thought was a cool touch but like i don't know it was just like i watched it and like i i definitely i feel like i saw better movies this year but i don't know that i left a movie feeling like feeling as like as much like i wanted to watch it again immediately where i was just like oh man what a fun world to be in yeah for like two hours and like what like fun characters and fun people and like just like a cool just a cool place to be it was a cool feeling i left it with the coolest feeling of any movie i saw which is an inarticulate way to say it but no that's great that appeals directly to me That's what I'm looking forward to. I haven't seen it, and that's what I want to do.
Starting point is 01:21:27 I want to feel like this is a cool movie. And I want to feel like I like it. It's also just a movie filled with little moments that feel real. They feel like it actually happened between two people, but they're also not the kind of moments you ever see in a movie, because who is
Starting point is 01:21:43 making movies about a 15 year old child actor in the san fernando valley yeah and like yeah like there are moments where um like there's this one scene where they're both on the phone and it's a completely silent phone call and it just cuts between the two of them and you're just watching like cooper hoffman alana heim who have never been in a movie either of them insane just're just watching like Cooper Hoffman, Alana Heim, who have never been in a movie, either of them insane, just like making faces and then they hang up and you're like, nothing quote unquote happened in that scene. Like there's, it's not like moving the plot forward, but you just got to watch two amazing people just like embody these characters for, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:23 two minutes or however long it lasts. Sounds dope. Give me that. The Tom Waits, Sean Penn scene is like one of my favorite things I've seen in a movie in a long time. Just fucking crazy. You could sell me on that. If you were just like, there's this movie with a Tom Waits, Sean Penn scene, I'd be like, tice.
Starting point is 01:22:40 It's just so nuts. And Cooper Hoffman's character is just a great character. I mean, like just a great character. I mean, the structure of the movie is just like Cooper Hoffman, Alana Heimer. And at the whole time, cause the movie is about them.
Starting point is 01:22:51 And then literally everyone else just shows up for like five to 10 minutes and does their thing. And sometimes that person is Bradley Cooper, Sean Penn. And sometimes that person is like a character actress you don't really know about. And they're all amazing. And like Benny Safdie's a character actress you don't really know about. And they're all amazing. And like Benny Safdie's in it.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Yeah. Oh, really? Yep. He plays... Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, Benny Safdie just plays a real life L.A. politician which is such a like... Everything in the movie feels really real. Like John Michael Higgins plays a restaurant owner who's like a real guy
Starting point is 01:23:23 in the seventies. Oh, was he really? Yeah. Oh my God. And the restaurant is still there. The Mikado. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:32 Oh, that's amazing. Uh, the woman who plays the casting agent too is so fucking good. Harriet Sansom Harris. Yeah. She's so good. Just,
Starting point is 01:23:42 it was just like, I don't know. It's a, it's a great, it's a PT Anderson a great it's a pt anderson movie and it's a fucking good one you know what i just really i just really really enjoyed my time there uh david time for your second pick man my second pick is not on my list until i watched it and then i didn't even i didn't realize i didn't realize how the gravity of it but i'm taking insecure ending oh yeah it was like and i watched it and then like i watched the special about the ending of it
Starting point is 01:24:12 and then just realizing how much you had grown with these people and how much that show was just so of the time and did so many things well and black people have never been lit better on television and then thinking about isa ray and coming from her like making misadventures of awkward black girl on facebook like i used to watch that when it was like a facebook show and just like the the progression of it is like it was just yeah it was really big for me it was and just yeah the all those characters the growth and like the show was so good and everybody looked so great. It was like, yeah, the end of Insecure, man. How did you feel about like the where it ended plot wise?
Starting point is 01:24:52 I sort of liked that it came back all the way around. You know what I mean? I like that. It sort of felt like it did feel like a neat little bow kind of right. Like in TV land where it's just like because there was never if i'm honest with myself about how i felt there was never a guy that i thought isa was better with than him then right like who was who was better it was kind of like what i had always wanted what you didn't like it oh no i i really liked the episode also like crazy thing apparently it was
Starting point is 01:25:24 a completely different episode, and then two weeks before filming, Issa Rae was like, we're scrapping this. We're doing something totally different. Wow. And she wrote the whole finale, like, two weeks before they shot it, which is crazy, because it's such a good...
Starting point is 01:25:38 Like, personally, what I really liked about the finale is, like, I didn't even feel a way about her ending up with Lawrence, because they make it so obvious that's not the point of the show. Like, I didn't even feel a way about her ending up with Lawrence because they make it so obvious. That's not the point of the show. Like they end on Lisa and Molly. There's so much else that happens in that episode.
Starting point is 01:25:52 That is like, not about who he says dating. It's like her career and her friends and what those friends are doing in their lives. And like the Lawrence thing is like one scene in a 30 plus minute episode, you know? Exactly. The Lawrence,
Starting point is 01:26:05 it wasn't even the, it wasn't even the point. Like it was, I mean, yeah, I don't know just to watch her growth. And then like at the end when she was driving past, which sometimes I would feel like would be hokey,
Starting point is 01:26:15 but the way they did it when she like drove past, we got y'all and like all, I don't know, man, I just really, you didn't, I don't, I didn't realize the ground that show covered in the five
Starting point is 01:26:26 seasons that they had until you watch it and then you're like oh my gosh yeah this was great and i'm gonna miss it and i like all those characters so much i need to watch it i've never i never watched insecure oh man it's very good and i saw the one scene with the bloods that you showed me that was insecure right that's a very small part of it yeah yeah just the one scene with the bloods that you showed me. That was insecure, right? That's a very small part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Just the one show where they're like, where's I'm going to been, I'm about to connect it with all these bloods come over to a party.
Starting point is 01:26:52 You could binge it really quickly because it's such a, it's like really relaxing because as David said, they make everyone look amazing. Everyone is so hot. There are so many crazy hot. There's so many sex scenes that are just like just watching these two hot people in the same room would be enough but they're also butt-ass naked and like i said i've never seen a show that lit black people better because black people have a history of being lit so terribly on television who are they and not just the people
Starting point is 01:27:22 it's like it's set it's set in la and like one of the characters lives in downtown la and like they go all over but it's specifically set in like south la and yeah and it feels like la it feels like la the whole thing like wasn't that kind of the appeal is there's like it's a it's a show about dating that's not based in new york wasn't that kind of a a thing about it that it was like an la dating based show or my am i off i think that's part of it for sure and like even within la like there are so many shows set in silver lake and this was like we're gonna make this look just as like hip and aspirational and all of that but it's they never once go to echo park right they make englewood not look like every other time englewood's
Starting point is 01:28:01 been on tv it's been like a gang shooting kind of thing yeah like people are scared to go there because of what they've seen on TV. And you're like, or it's just, it's a neighborhood like anywhere else and you can go there and it's okay. And now like the way they have like sex in the city tours of the West village where you like go to Magnolia and like a big bus and eat bread pudding. They, they have that for Inglewood because of insecure.
Starting point is 01:28:21 Now, like it, it was such an influential, I don't think it's as big of an industry as Sex and the City was, but there are all these maps that are like, this restaurant was on Insecure or go to this apartment building
Starting point is 01:28:34 because that's where Issa lived on the show. The show does such a good job of lifting up people and places. There are all these actors who are going to have big careers. There are all these writers who are going to have big careers or all these writers who are going to have big careers all that yeah it has produced a ton of writers like who all get who are all developing their own projects now amazing i gotta watch it yeah you should it's a great great trip uh sean jordan time for your second pick i'm gonna have to stay on tv
Starting point is 01:29:01 and uh i'm gonna go my probably my favorite show of the year was season three of what we do in the shadows. Oh yeah. That's what I never, I never watched. It's such a break from like, and I'm not a big things weighing on me heavy with what's going on, but like it's,
Starting point is 01:29:18 it is a lot with just with the world. And you're like, so I can watch a show about vampires and there's nothing to be worried about. It's a completely fun made up universe where it's funny problems and they're all so funny on that show. Matt Berry, my God. Every word out of his mouth. He could read the Bible to me and I would start. I mean, he's just funny no matter what. I just, I love that show. I love it. Yeah. There's an episode where oh go ahead what's your favorite oh there's just an episode where um Nandor joins like a cult of vampires who are trying to be human
Starting point is 01:29:52 and and like the anthem their anthem is like a counting crows song and you watch them like do aerobics and it's all the stuff where it's like I can't even explain why these references like what makes human being superhuman like works but the show just understands itself and what it's doing on like every level I was looking through the episodes because I was trying to find which one this was but there's one where Nandor has
Starting point is 01:30:18 to be everybody else and it's called the cloak of duplication but it's the gym one right yeah when he's Colin Robinson and he walks in and he's called the cloak of duplication but he went it's the gym one right yeah when he's colin robinson and he walks in and he's negging that girl and he just walks in and he's like what's up dipshit heard a thought a hot girl used to work here just like so then i looked and nandor that guy who plays nandor which by the way his imdb photo is sexy that guy he had one of the old like first youtube like shows where he would prank people and if you if you look it up i forget what it's called but it looks like a poorly produced
Starting point is 01:30:53 very early youtube show you're like oh so that guy's been trying to break for 15 years or whatever and then he gets this show i've never heard of him until What We Do in the Shadows. Kayvon Novak, right? Yep. Yeah. That guy's IMDb photo is like an Italian. He looks like a silent film star. That's crazy. He had like a show called like Face Switch or something where he would just prank people. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:31:18 I could barely watch it because it's not great. But it was probably great for the time. Anyway, I just I love it. I love that show. Everybody's perfect. That episode was fantastic because he played everybody so well. And then the last one, too, where Colin Robinson... I don't want to wreck anything, but...
Starting point is 01:31:36 Just say spoiler alert. Yo, Mars chiming in here to say that there's major spoilers ahead for the end of Season three of what we do in the shadows pause now and skip ahead a minute to avoid spoilers trust me i got spoiled hard listening to this and i really wish i didn't so this is my warning to you pause and skip ahead about 40 seconds to avoid spoilers you have been warned okay let's get back into it yeah spoiler alert all right spoiler alert where colin robinson dies when like you find out that uh laszlo knew and so he was trying to spend like qt with him and then you look back at the season you're like oh he was trying to like spend
Starting point is 01:32:18 time with this guy that he liked because he knew he was gonna die and it was like it's and then when nandor smashes his face in where he doesn't think it's gonna he's like he's not dead and he caves his face and you're like oh he's super dead there's no getting there's no getting around it that dude's dead i just i love the show it's so fun and funny so it's such a good fucking show the casino episode this season i think it was early on was so fucking funny too yeah they're all it's just everyone's it's an all like it's one of those casts well i think like hopefully all these people go on to do a ton of other stuff because they're all
Starting point is 01:32:54 so fucking funny i mean shout out to guillermo i think he's become my favorite character on the show um and he does such a good job of combining Harvey Gann, I think his name is. Where he does such a good job of that sweetness and that guilelessness, but that slowly building edge of menace and irritation. It's so good. And then Natasha Demetrio also hosts The Great Flower Fight on Netflix.
Starting point is 01:33:20 So she's already doing cool things. Yeah. Going to a greenhouse in England. And she's in another show with her brother, right? Like that, I don't want to say, just in case. The fact that her brother is like the guy with the bad
Starting point is 01:33:36 teeth on Fleabag is so funny. Those fucking Brits, man. They just bubble up. And they're amazing. They're bubblers. What we do in the shadows. Excellent pick. Thanks, bud. They just bubble up. And they're amazing. They bubble up. They're bubblers. What we do in the shadows. Excellent pick. Thanks, bud.
Starting point is 01:33:49 You're welcome. Allison, time for your second and third picks. Okay. Going back to back. So I will stay in TV to start. And I'm going to do probably just the biggest TV show full stop of 2021, which was Squid Game. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:05 Never seen it. I mean, it's one of those things where like there's the show itself, which is really good. And just the iconography of it was so instantly memorable. Like the jumpsuits
Starting point is 01:34:16 and the honeycomb cookies and the colors and the just the mass, like everything just instantly became part of the pop culture because it all just looks so distinctive. But then there's also the fact that a fucking Korean language show became the biggest thing in the world for months and like kind of came out of nowhere.
Starting point is 01:34:36 If you were an American viewer, cause they didn't really market it in advance a ton here. And I think really like was a good show, but also was such a 2021 show in that like I don't think this could have happened any year but this year like you needed years of like Netflix making it easy to watch anything in the world
Starting point is 01:34:53 at any time and then like Parasite winning best picture and like K-pop becoming a huge force where it's like everyone's primed to be like I think it's totally normal to just like watch a show with subtitles that's about a different culture. And like it's not seen as like niche at all. It was like literally the biggest thing that happened this year.
Starting point is 01:35:14 Yeah. All these other Netflix, like Money Heist, which is apparently one of the biggest shows in the world and like is critically people like it or what but like hasn't really you know other netflix foreign language shows haven't gained the same traction even though they like are in the top 10 shows and stuff on there and then like yeah this one just fucking broke through who's picking those top how's that getting figured out i feel like netflix is just telling me like they just decide yeah what do you mean uh keep drinking the kool-Aid. I don't know. I have friends who are on your team, Sean, who are like, they're lying. Who's saying? Who says?
Starting point is 01:35:50 I feel like they are specifically run by numbers over there, man. Who says? You think they're like putting Cocomelon up there or Cocomelon or whatever? I'm just planting the seed, bro. Dude, Cocomelon is like, Sean will learn in a year or two. Cocomelon is like every baby just watches that shit 24-7. So it's always on there.
Starting point is 01:36:09 Have you read about how it's messing up their serotonin levels, though? No. They're getting like dopamine hits from it. So they get like withdrawals when they can't watch it and stuff like that. Oh, shit. And then it like fucks up their... You know, this is deep. Weirdo stuff. Don't make your kids watch cocomel and make them watch squid game have them watch a violent parable about um how our class
Starting point is 01:36:33 structure turns poor people against each other and they literally start to murder each other and they'll learn valuable lessons yeah will do and you don't have to listen to those fucking songs i fucking love squid game it was so it was i don't have to listen to those fucking songs i fucking love squid game it was so it was i don't have anything smart to say about it it was just like oh this is great this is awesome i liked watching it it felt like the other side of the blade of that netflix where it's like they just their whole shotgun approach where it's like so much comes out and like you'll and like you'll never find out about it until hopefully someone like Alison writes about it and is like,
Starting point is 01:37:08 Hey, this is a thing worth watching. And you're like, Oh shit, I didn't even, this has all these people I like in it and it's made by someone I like. And I still had no idea it came out because it just didn't show up on my algorithm for some reason.
Starting point is 01:37:19 Yeah. Yeah. Netflix has quickly become too overwhelming for me. Yeah. Yeah. But it was so, it was literally like, I hadn't heard anything about Squid Game. And then I was like, whoa, this Korean show says it's number one in the U.S.
Starting point is 01:37:32 Like, that's weird. And then like a week later, it was still on there. And it was weird because that happened for like a week and a half before like all the press coverage started of like, there's this really popular show and it's really good like it felt very bottom up in a weird way yeah it did yeah where like the people people started what people found at first weirdly yeah and I get like
Starting point is 01:37:56 if there's any South Korean like television show makers listening to this podcast and there probably are and you need someone to do an American dub, let any of us know. Come on. I got the voice for it. It'd be fun. The voices of the American dudes.
Starting point is 01:38:18 What are you, crazy? Well, there's the American dub, and then there were the people on the show who were supposed to be american speaking english i watch those are the people i mean i didn't watch the english language dub i mean those people oh man it was it was way off it was the first time something was actually racist against white people first and last time first and last time it's the only time it's ever happened yeah it's also like a show where it's weird it's like hard to have smart things to say about it because it's literally like it's it is what it is it's a really well-made thriller but the fact that it became so big became this own story in itself of just like how we watch tv
Starting point is 01:39:06 how we find the tv we watch like what kind of content people are willing to spend their time on it was yeah big big 2021 story for me big 2021 and uh and your third pick okay well so this is actually what i thought you were going to say when you were saying you saw a movie not in the theater, but you thought they wanted you to. And that is Dune. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. That's the movie I saw.
Starting point is 01:39:29 And the other one. Timothy Chalamet. Yeah. I am not. I have not made it past book page 20 of the actual book. I'm not like a huge Dune head, but I am a huge defender of Blade Runner 2049. Okay. From Denis Villeneuve. Denis.
Starting point is 01:39:49 Yeah, like I love the big weird sci-fi he makes. I think he's incredibly good at like creating like physically tactile worlds where they don't like explain the rules to you at all, but you're like, oh, I see them like using that technology. Like I guess that's what they do. Or like I see those people are wearing that outfit. They must be like some weird sect I don't know about. And like, Dune is this like legendarily convoluted and complicated and
Starting point is 01:40:15 like over explained lore that takes like multiple books. And I watched the movie, which is only supposed to be the first half of the book, which I also thought was really smart that they were just like, we're not, we're not doing this in one go. Like we're just, we're setting our pace. And I was just so immersed in it. And I was like,
Starting point is 01:40:36 I don't need to be told what's going on at all. I just feel like I'm in a completely different place. Like I'm not on planet earth. I'm on Arrakis. Yeah. It was beautiful. Beautiful. I saw it in I different place. Like I'm not on planet earth. I'm on Arrakis. Yeah. It was beautiful. Beautiful. I saw it in IMAX.
Starting point is 01:40:49 It was, that was the best movie experience I had this year. Like going into the movies and just seeing this big, huge, beautiful product. It was, I loved it. I loved it so much.
Starting point is 01:41:01 I watched it at home. And when it was over, I was like, God damn it ian like yeah we we started to watch it my boyfriend has a really good sound system and it literally blew out the home sound system like we had to stop because we were like this broke the speakers we need to give the speakers some time but i saw it for the first time i don't think it was imax but i got to see it on the warner brothers lot and like i could i could feel my chair vibrate like yeah 4x huh
Starting point is 01:41:31 yep yeah the with the sand the sandworms came out i was like why am i all dusty and the vermin were like beautiful it was just that movie what a great it's just a movie man that was so fucking good man duncan idaho is like the part jason momoa was born to play he was just like the perfect like use of his charm and like brawn and all that shit like chalamet like he should be playing one of the first times he didn't get on my nerves yeah right and shall we be playing a little space prince like his he was born to play a little fairy boy just a just a whimsical little space prince you know what i mean like that's the his face is mysterious little space prince and he finally got to play it zendaya should be playing someone so beautiful that they can only exist on a desert planet like in the like all those worlds felt like they existed long before we got to them and will continue to exist
Starting point is 01:42:31 long after we're done with them uh which i think is probably like a dumb way of saying what you were saying about danny villeneuve there it's just like everything felt lived in their mythologies felt like that shit you don't know like it was real, like the. The pain box and all that, like, yeah, like I also thought I really did a really good job of like subtly telling you what the takeaway was supposed to be like opening with a voiceover that's literally like I'm a native person who lives on this planet. Everyone is like stripping our resources and is here out to get us. And like the you know, these are our oppressors. and is here out to get us. And like, you know, these are our oppressors.
Starting point is 01:43:06 I thought it was a really good way of being like, this is not a white savior narrative, but also like I enjoyed like multiple Marvel movies I saw in theaters this year, like no shade to them. But I definitely think this was like, oh, like this is what blockbuster filmmaking can look like when you're allowed to have the color black in your mix. Yeah. God, for real.
Starting point is 01:43:24 Yeah. Like it just looks so tactile and different. And like, it didn't feel like everything was CGI, although I'm sure there was a ton of it in there. I was like, yeah, this is like why I want to go to the movie theater so I can see some,
Starting point is 01:43:37 so I can like experience something that is just so not my everyday reality. And it really felt like they created a whole other set of planets. When they went to that fucking Imperial army planet. And like, they were like that, like all those, everyday reality and it really felt like they created a whole other set of planets when they went to that fucking imperial army planet and like they were like that like all those uh uh like what are they just those like tribute you know what i mean what is that man my brain is just like not working today i haven't seen it so they're all like bleeding out and there's all those like soldiers there and there's that crazy dude up in the tower going like It's like Skrillex assembled. The big
Starting point is 01:44:12 huge guy was great. It was amazing. Stellan Skarsgård played him. Baron Harkonnen. That dude's so awesome. Stellan Skarsgård. You would really like it, Sean I'm sure
Starting point is 01:44:25 Go to your local dispensary Acquire some edible treats Find as good a sound system At home as you can Because they put it on HBO Max That was another thing You could watch it the second it came out at home If you wanted to
Starting point is 01:44:41 A lot of people went to go see it in a movie theater. Yeah, even still, I should have been one of them. Fucking idiot. I waited to watch it. That's why. It was like out of theaters by the time I finally got around to it. Yeah, Denis Villeneuve is going to personally show up to your home and just shake his head and wordlessly walk away.
Starting point is 01:45:03 I will apologize the whole time. I'll apologize him and send him on his way with a nice Chablis. Sean Jordan, time for your third pick. Yeah, it's unfortunate. I didn't see a lot of movies. More TV just because it was in smaller doses, which is much easier with a kid because instead of being like two hours,
Starting point is 01:45:22 I could be like half hour. I'm going to stay with TV. I know this is my third television show, but I watched TV. And I'm going to pick Pen15. I love that show. Oh, okay. I love it.
Starting point is 01:45:34 I probably wasn't going to get picked, but it's, I don't know, especially this season was the right amount of seriousness where, because it's very funny, but there was so many real episodes this season dealing with like the divorce there was a divorce there was young like sexual awakenings which is a very real awkward thing and you look at it and you're like oh my gosh because i was figuring things out when i was pretty young like younger than most think. And so watching them deal with
Starting point is 01:46:05 that, it's like the most polite way to say it. Is that a brag, Sean? No, it wasn't. It's disgusting. But it's true. So like the last episode where Maya was dealing with like, you know, blowing that guy. I don't know if you guys have seen it or not, but she's like, she's an eighth grader, I think, and he he's a freshman and it's just they do this scene so well and you're like oh my god and then she goes in the bathroom and kind of cries but it's just like how people figure things out is that way unfortunately now it's probably different because there's porn and stuff but i know there was porn back then but it wasn't so readily accessible yeah i think i don't know it was just a really good show and it's just
Starting point is 01:46:45 they're just so funny uh and they also capture that age like so much of watching that show is just that feeling of like oh i remember eighth grade it's shocking how good they are at it too like maya and anna the main kid like they're in their mid-30s. And they just are fantastic at playing two girls in middle school. I don't know how they do it, but they just nail it. And then it's so nuanced. Their ums and their awkward looking down and moving their feet just the way you did. They make you nervous to talk to a boy.
Starting point is 01:47:23 It's just, I don't know, it's fantastic. I mean this as the highest compliment I could possibly give them. I cannot watch that show. It is too close to home. It is too uncomfortable. I was a girl in eighth grade. It was not a happy time in my life. Although I don't trust you
Starting point is 01:47:40 if middle school was a good, peaceful time for you. No. That's not it's not supposed to be but i mean every hot kid in middle school should die people say that about high school i sincerely enjoyed high school middle school is a fucking nightmare for me it was the worst it's just terrible and i think with pen 15 it is, that is a testament to, like, how completely they evoke that time in your life. And, like, I was like, there's shit that I repress. Like, I tamped that down.
Starting point is 01:48:13 That has been in a dusty filing cabinet in the back of my cerebellum for 20 years. And, like, I remember it's a season two episode, like, the one where they convince themselves that they have, like, magic witch powers. Yeah. I was like. So awesome. Like, that fucking happened to me, and I did not think of that as, like, a common experience. Because you're just, like, so hopped up. You're, like, partly a kid who still does fantasy, but you're also an adult who can, or like you're looking into the adult
Starting point is 01:48:45 world. So you're really vulnerable and you're, you just become so acutely aware of your peers judgment. Cause that's how you get a sense of who you are. That's when I figured it all out. Like I was a bully in middle school for a while. I was bullied, you know, like I was, it's tough cause I'm pretty nice now, but like I had a year in middle school where I was just a dick. And it sucks. I hate thinking about that. But you form who you are. And that's where I did it was in middle school.
Starting point is 01:49:11 I mean, it's just a time where all your worst instincts are just validated by everyone around you because no one knows better. That's what it was. The show just really gets that. And they did an amazing job. Yep. absolutely. Pen 15. Pen 15. It's penis, you see.
Starting point is 01:49:31 Yeah, it's penis. David Boyd, time for your third pick. I am going to take... This is hard. Hold on. Let me double check the date on this. I feel like I passed my first three picks, so the next two I can...
Starting point is 01:49:53 I don't know. Hopefully. You should strive to be yourself every time we draft and not worry about what anyone else thinks. Yeah. Well, I like to fit the parameters. I mean, I don't like to... Give you some parameters. I'm out here, man. Vocab. Pop culture. That's me since I'm a dad. well i like to fit the parameters i mean i don't like to you know i want to use the parameters
Starting point is 01:50:05 yeah i'm out here man vocab pop culture that's me since i'm a dad that's my vocabulary for pop culture uh i'm taking the montero video oh yeah give satan a lap dance yeah man because that was like that i was still on twitter then and it was just like i got so deep into that whole just watching i just haven't seen anything that divisive in a long time people were going what is it i don't know what you're talking about the lil nas x video oh that yeah that's what that's it was was the song or something yeah yeah called me by your name i think totally yeah but uh that dude is sexy man it was just like it's that thing where you just like you realize where we're at and just like how christian of a place this is and like
Starting point is 01:50:58 people i just love seeing people go ape shit about some some stuff like that and it was like it was very graphic but yeah who cares it was just another sign that and it was like it was very graphic but yeah who cares it was just another sign of the it was like it was just like man this would not be so huge if we were not in lockup and little nas x is a goat at the internet you know what i mean he's so good at it and it was just yeah it was, first of all, I just realized that I just said the words like give Satan a lap dance and Sean did not know what I was talking about. So it's maybe not the best first impression. But yeah, I also thought like it very much felt like Lil Nas X obviously like exploded onto the scene with Old Town Road is very good at the Internet, has definitely been like present. Exploded onto the scene with Old Town Road.
Starting point is 01:51:43 Is very good at the internet. Has definitely been present. But Montero and that whole album release cycle. Definitely felt like. Oh no this guy is a pop star now. He's making albums. He's making music videos. He's going to be an ongoing concern.
Starting point is 01:51:59 That you should know about. And pay attention to. An ongoing concern for my uncle Steve. Is he the. Is he the prox uncle or the anti he's the pro vax but he's anti most other stuff so it's like yeah i could see him being like oh he is vaccinated well i guess all right i guess i can listen to a little nasa x song we i think most people thought that dude was aqua thought he was one hit wonder thought it was like yeah it was really fun but it felt so gimmicky where you're like okay this is yeah i didn't even know what he looked like because i was like this song is dope but i this is probably all i'm gonna hear this dude i i had no idea he is
Starting point is 01:52:37 amazing so yeah just such a crazy entree to someone who would become one of the biggest pop stars in the world at least in america anyway and it's like you know not for nothing just that representation of like there hasn't been like a major like gay black video like you know what i mean like yeah it was awesome it was just yeah it was so big for so many reasons and just so polarizing. He's so polarizing. He's so good at getting people talking. Wait, he's gay? Nice to see a provocation. You really haven't seen a video. You can't joke about that when you didn't know he made a video
Starting point is 01:53:16 when he was giving a laugh to his estate. Spoiler alert. He made a single called Call Me By Your Name about how much he loves his girlfriend. I would have believed you thought we were talking about Nas. He's like, wait. Nas is a child? His name is Lil Nas?
Starting point is 01:53:35 Lil Nas? You sound like a whole penny situation. Nas gave the devil a lap dance. Illmatic grinding on the table. Yeah, man. It was just a really it was just that time that we're all inside it was just yeah just another thing that felt so this year and like this weird feeling that we have in the country of like old guard nude guard you know you know what i mean
Starting point is 01:54:00 like yeah it was just it was it was interesting. Did you mean to say old guard, nude guard? I heard nude guard. That's even truer. Yeah, that's what I meant, nude guard. With a nipple, baby. Yeah, it's nice that provocateurs can still exist in art and that trolling hasn't completely become like a tool of like people on Twitter and shit. And also quite honestly, a lot of time I find provocateurs kind of like annoying.
Starting point is 01:54:32 I always get it, but I'm always like, I didn't need this point driven home. But the way he does it, I like it. I think it's great. Doesn't hurt that the music's good. Yeah. Time for my third pick and now i'm going to take uh something that also exists in the world of music but way older i'm taking the get back documentary yeah i still haven't watched it man it's was it everything you wanted it to be it was i. I bet it's so good. I mean, this is a common thing. The Beatles have, there hasn't been a time since I've been like capable of making my own music choices that the Beatles haven't been my favorite band.
Starting point is 01:55:16 They remain it and they were and like have been the entire time. I fucking love them. And this felt like watching, like it would be like watching Michelangelo paint the Sistine Chapel. You know what I mean? And there's video footage of that cut together by a master who also loves it. It was fucking amazing. It made me see each of the four Beatles in a different way that made them all... It didn't make any of them look bad at all but kind of like was
Starting point is 01:55:45 clarifying like when you first see Paul McCartney when like you're a kid and you listen to the songs he sings they're like oh he's like the silly you know like baby faced one who's like kind of jolly and like not very self serious and then you watch this documentary
Starting point is 01:56:01 and he's like this like type A like really regimented about how like they put music out and the beatles probably wouldn't have done their last two or three albums without him being like all right we need to like stop john put down the fucking heroin and like pick up a guitar and we need to like make these these albums uh it was just amazing and like if you would have told me i'd be watching something that was eight hours you know and it wasn't like an episodic tv show i'd be like no way and then i watched this and i was like how long it is it's eight hours yeah and it's three parts so every
Starting point is 01:56:35 part is almost three hours i mean the reaction i kept hearing to it including for myself was just like i cannot believe that this exists like yeah like the fact that it's eight hours is obviously really intimidating, but then you watch it and you realize like that the best parts are the parts in between the like big performances where you're just watching like four dudes hang out in a space and just like shoot the shit and like kind of fuck up and kind of get annoyed at each other. And you just see like all the idle chill moments where you really see like how they were as people in the world
Starting point is 01:57:10 and not these icons. And like you do get insane moments like Paul just coming up with get back like off the top of his head. But you also just get these like little moments of reflection. Like there's a really crazy part where in the sessions that they're talking about, the thesis of the documentary is basically they're recording their last album. These sessions go down in history as supposedly being just awful and full of fighting. And then you just see that it's a lot more complicated than that.
Starting point is 01:57:43 And they're definitely growing apart, but they're like at each other's throats or anything it's much more like them kind of all understanding like okay we've grown up we're not teenagers anymore we all kind of want to go our separate ways yeah then paul is talking about that and he's like first of all like we don't have an adult in the room who's bigger than all of us to like sit us down and be like you all need to do work because they they're, they're managers. The manager died. And then he's also just like talking about, there's a lot of them talking about how people talk about them.
Starting point is 01:58:12 Like there's a moment where they, they take a tabloid story and they just start like screaming them as lyrics while they're playing music. But then Paul is like, yeah, it's so stupid. Like you, I'm sure in 50 years,
Starting point is 01:58:24 they're all going to say like, we broke up cause Yoko was here and sat on an amp. And like, yeah, it's so stupid. Like you, I'm sure in 50 years, they're all going to say like, we broke up because Yoko was here and sat on an amp. And like, obviously that's not what happened. And then you're like, 50 years later, you're like, that's what everyone said. There's a scene where Paul's like, he just wants to spend more time with his old lady. I get it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:58:39 When the law for the longest time, they were like, Yoko broke up the Beatles. And there's Paul like understanding that his lifelong friend, John, just, like, met this woman he wants to spend all his time with and how he thinks that's great. You know what I mean? Or not great, but not bad. I mean, it's a thing about how these guys who met when they were teenagers and, like, didn't have families, like, became adults together. And it's not just Yoko. Like, Linda's there. became adults together. And it's not just Yoko.
Starting point is 01:59:02 Like, Linda's there. Like, they're all getting life partners and they're all exploring solo projects. And it's just like, yeah, like, we're grown men. We kind of don't want to be in a boy band anymore. Although it's insane because, like, I think they're 25 to 28. Yeah, they are.
Starting point is 01:59:21 Like, this man is, like, three years younger than me and he's, like, writing the most iconic piece of music anyone's ever seen don't ever don't ever put the timeline on yourself yeah they all have crazy facial hair so you're like i thought i thought paul mccartney was 35 like look at that beard he's always looked 35 up until I think when he was like 60. Also, there's hilarious moments like when Peter Sellers,
Starting point is 01:59:52 the great comic actor, shows up and they just don't give a fuck and then he shuffles out. I think probably because they were either on or hung over from like amphetamines. But like Peter Sellers just shows up I think thinking something's gonna happen because he's gonna be in this movie with like ringo star and then nothing happens then he
Starting point is 02:00:09 just leaves the fucking fact that they had a microphone in the flower pot and heard like john and paul having this candid conversation about right after george harrison quit the band and like it's just it's it has anything i ever would have wanted. It was so fucking good. Hell yeah. And it made me love the Beatles even more, which I didn't think was possible. Shout out to Sue Carmel for getting me into the Beatles. Sure.
Starting point is 02:00:35 On that road trip up California. So that's my third pick. My fourth pick. Ooh. Man, this is tough. Yeah, it's hard to pick pick i got i got two that are sum me up pretty goddamn well for the next two i'm gonna go music uh on this one and i'm going to take sour by olivia rodrigo yeah dude yeah i mean you gotta just her own temecula's own is that where she's from she's from temecula she's from the place where ariana grande licked the donut
Starting point is 02:01:11 she broke this year i did not know that until i was doing this olivia rodrigo broke this year that seems like it was a decade ago because she's had it might have didn't start this year did driver's license start on tiktok this year driver's license came out in january yeah it's crazy that's insane to me like that song was is so fucking good it is and it's a high school kid pouring her heart out because she got dumped and you're like man i don't want to say thank you much like the guy who broke adele's heart you're like that sucks but thank you. Much like the guy who broke Adele's heart. You're like, that sucks, but thank you. It's one of those songs you want to sing so hard in the car
Starting point is 02:01:48 that you're afraid you might pass out. Red light, stop! Man, it's like what you were talking about with Pen15 a little bit, where it transports you back to middle school or high school, but in a good way. In those pure... When you're that young, the floor is lower, transports you back to like middle school or high school but in a good way like in those like pure you know like when you're when you're that young the floor is lower but the ceiling is also
Starting point is 02:02:10 higher emotionally and it like takes you to both of those places and then like good for you is such a fucking banger that's the one I love that song well that was the crazy thing was like driver's license breaks out and like it's really good but it's kind of a ballad.
Starting point is 02:02:26 Like it doesn't give it as much of a sign of like what our sound is going to be. And then Good For You comes out and you're like, did you listen to Blink-182? Yeah. Were you a Paramore kid? And then you find out that her producer is like 34 or whatever. And you're like, oh, it's so cool that like millennials are now old enough that they are the people in the booth for those things. And you see like pop punk is no longer like this niche thing that we all listen to while like loitering at the mall. It's like we're putting sounds of that in the biggest pop album of the year.
Starting point is 02:02:59 And like I'm sure Olivia Rodrigo didn't grow up with that as much, but she heard that and was like, yeah, this is catchy. Like I'm going to put that in my single. Damn right. I mean, pop punk is like, it's hidden with the kids. This pick could have easily been like pop punk because it is like from like. Totally. There's so many different bands that are like 22 year olds that are like doing a lot of like pop punk inflected stuff right now. And it's good for you.
Starting point is 02:03:23 Could be like my walkout music. If I was an MMA fighter, it gets me that jacked where i just be like yeah let's go let's do it i want to get somebody up you're gonna get beat up dude if you're walking out to olivia rodrigo on the way there it just i get slapped and beat up it would have been brutal out there for you guess that therapist i found for you she really helped ah there we go uh yeah it's just it's fucking it's fucking fantastic and i realize like she's given all these other people like writing credits so as to not get sued because some of her music sounds like other people's music which just speaks to how weird the music industry is right now because like i don't know what like every there's only so
Starting point is 02:04:06 many notes and you can only put them together in so many different ways and i feel like she really i don't know i really like as a huge fan of like the music that she has allegedly like ripped off i'm like i don't know it didn't it felt influenced but killing it to me killing it to me too i can't wait for more music from olivia rodrig And I thought fucking Sour just fucking ruled. It was like music you just want to turn up real loud and blast while you're driving around. And I'll sign up for that every single time. 100%. Yep.
Starting point is 02:04:32 Every single time. Yep. David, time for your fourth pick. I think that I am... This is another one of those things that i wasn't that invested i wasn't that invested in in it until it came to a head but it was just like as far as throughout the culture it was just a really interesting thing to watch i'm taking uh the whole free britney movement yeah oh yeah yeah i think that was just like it's fucking wild man
Starting point is 02:05:07 you know what i mean like whoa what a crazy and then to see the podcast and then like everything like it felt like if they freed her it felt like the fans got it done for her they took it across the goal line and it was just a really amazing thing to see and just a such a strange case of like what celebrity is and like how trapped these people can be it was really really wild it was great i was invested heavily because that like britney spears and like in sync and backstreet boys that was the first pop music that i made up my mind that i liked because before that it was all rap like dre and Snoop and I just would not have anything else so when that
Starting point is 02:05:48 came out I was like oh I love I love pop music apparently because I love this song and the way Britney Spears sounds and then I found out she was in so much trouble you're like oh I didn't know that I didn't know she was getting screwed over so bad so it was nice to I guess nice to see it get solved
Starting point is 02:06:04 or get resolved. It was wild how fast it happened. Like, I remember... Nobody knew what a conservatorship was, and then all of a sudden she's out of it. Well, that was the weird thing is I definitely was aware that it was a thing and it was not normal how long it lasted. Like, my friend used to be a lawyer, and I remember her being like, that kind of setup is supposed to be when you, like, cannot form a full sentence and you're being wheeled into the hospital and it's supposed to stop as soon as you like wake up and can just do basic functioning. And the fact that someone has been in that for over a decade while they're like headlining a Vegas show doesn't make any fucking sense. But it was much more of a like, oh, like that's weird.
Starting point is 02:06:41 That's still going on. Like, oh, like, that's weird. That's still going on. And then, like, it's built over the years, like, the conspiratorial, like, reading of the emojis and her Instagram captions. And then that documentary came out and all the court dates happened. And it was like, oh, shit, like, this is real. It's terrible. And also the public scrutiny was enough to end it. Also, tying it with Insecure, the judge in that case is Prentice Penny's mom.
Starting point is 02:07:06 No fucking way. So crazy, right? Yeah. I don't really know what to make of that. You can't even make anything of it. It's just so weird. But you're just like, I can't believe the world is that small. But yeah, I mean, also just watching her like come out and finally
Starting point is 02:07:25 be able to like speak for herself publicly have you seen that video of her where she it's just like a video of her on instagram and she's just going like fuck shit yeah fucker and you're like oh yeah she just like hasn't been allowed to say things in public for 13 years. That's crazy. That's insane. It went from this weird, like, half Da Vinci Code, half, like, you know, social justice thing, like, where it started out with people reading those emojis and everything,
Starting point is 02:07:57 and then, like, the people who were into it were like, no, this is fucking, this is a real fucking, and then blew up. It was so amazing. Yeah, it was just wild to see it was just it was just really interesting it was and if you like either zoom out or zoom in i'm not sure what this is probably zoom in like it's a look at like both the light and the dark sides of fandom too because they like helped get her out of this conservatorship and but then you look at uh who are the women that get it's babs gray right
Starting point is 02:08:25 and tess barker like who had the yeah had like these people like then pile who just were like leading this thing had people then piling on them you know what i mean for like now you're exploiting britney and it's like no we were trying to help you like kind of thing so they like started catching shit for it too and it's like oh man fandom can really spiral out of control fandom you forget that that shit is short for fanatic man yeah it's also like there's been so much in the past few years like looking back on the 90s and the 2000s and being like yeah it was really fucked up how we treated like everyone from marcia clark to janet jackson and it felt like such a like concrete version of that where it's like,
Starting point is 02:09:06 we mistreated this person because we put them in a very particular arrangement. And now that we've come back and seen that we did it wrong, we've undone this thing. And it was a very like complete story of like conservatorship starts, conservatorship ends. And it's going to be wild to see like what she does now that, yeah.
Starting point is 02:09:24 I mean, some of the stuff that the conservatorship meant in terms of her daily reality. It's like it's one thing to sort of know like she's not in control of herself, but have her be like, I can't go to an ATM and like withdraw money. Like, I can't get married. I can't, you know, these like things that you take for granted is just like a person who is their own legal entity just weren't in the cards for her. And now she has them. Also shout out to Janet Jackson. I just rewatched that thing.
Starting point is 02:09:52 Makes it really hard to like Justin Timberlake, you know, dude, a lot of stuff does. It's like you, there was a radio show. It might've been that interview or on the documentary, but there was a radio show where Justin Timberlake's on there.
Starting point is 02:10:04 And it was just some guy being like yeah number one single let's cut to the chase did you fuck britney spears and it's like what that and that's crazy and then he just giggles or whatever instead of being like why would you ask me that you know you like to think if you were on that show you'd be like what does that have to do with anything that's private but then he's just like giggling basically saying yeah you know i did it's like god damn it it's wild one guy is the villain of like two of the biggest pop stars it's like god damn i remember the janna jackson thing you're like he that upset me immediately and i i don't know anyway yeah it does i felt like that at the i felt that like that at the time
Starting point is 02:10:44 where i was just like oh you got nothing to say about this, huh? Immediately, it was handled poorly. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. It sucks. But that's neither here nor there. Free Britney. Excellent pick.
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Starting point is 02:13:28 We're about to get to Sean Jordan's fourth pick in the 2021 pop culture draft. I rented out a movie theater with my friend Nick Nampe and a few other sorted characters. All of trailblazing was there, I believe. And this to me was one of the biggest moments in pop culture to me and i think for ian as well but mortal kombat watching mortal kombat in the movie theater mortal kombat dude i was so pumped it's like they made that movie for me i've always wanted a remake i've always wanted them to
Starting point is 02:14:00 do it with like better effects and that was the first thing that I really did during COVID where I was like, we're doing something. We're going to do something. So we rented out a theater and watched Mortal Kombat. And it was perfect. It was perfect. I still haven't seen it, but I love you and I support this pic. Oh my God, really? You haven't seen it?
Starting point is 02:14:19 I haven't seen it either. Oh man. I'm a real coastal elite critic right now. I'm sorry. That's okay. I did not. This is, but this is me shining through. For me, an absolute defining moment of pop culture for this year was seeing Mortal Kombat,
Starting point is 02:14:35 seeing the trailer, just being like, well, that's, it's Entourage with ninjas, you know? And like, it's like. I think I was getting engaged right around that time and it would have been a hard sell. Oh, you know what we should do is go. Sorry, I didn't see Mortal Kombat.
Starting point is 02:14:49 I was busy experiencing true love. I just think it would have been tough to be like, so, uh, we're going to get married soon. Anyway, I'm taking off. I'm going to go watch Mortal Kombat.
Starting point is 02:14:59 That's what I went like three weeks before Maxine was born. That's what I did. I was like, I'm going to rent a theater for a little too much money and go with one. We probably went 10 of us. I'm going to go watch Mortal Kombat in Vancouver. Was it a little
Starting point is 02:15:14 more than you wanted? No, it was 200 bucks. It was very reasonable. 10 people, that's $20 a person. I was actually shocked. I can't remember exactly how it got handled, but I was like, no, I'm happy just to pay this. I would have gone by myself.
Starting point is 02:15:31 If I would have known that earlier on during COVID, I think I would have done it quite a few times. But then we had Max and then it's harder to be like, I'm going to go light 200 bucks on fire tonight. It's different. But yeah, to me, it was great i'm glad you liked it because i feel like video game adaptations in particular have a really bad rap and like that i've heard a lot of them are pretty bad well there's that and there's the the league
Starting point is 02:15:56 of legends show on netflix arcane i've heard is like amazing so i'm glad that like we seem to collectively figured out how to make it not fucking terrible. It was, you know, it was... If you want it to be bad, it's gonna be bad. I want to... I went in, clear eyes, full hearts. And I was like, this is gonna be
Starting point is 02:16:18 good, and it was good. But you have to want it to be good. You can't be looking for plot holes. You can't be looking for amazing acting. You just can't. because you're gonna be bummed sean is like if you don't like a movie that's on you bro that's your fault i might as well get a shirt that says that or something it seriously is when people don't like movies i'm like it's fun it's you know let yourself have fun that's what mortal kombat is you have to want to like it and if you do and if your heart is pure you're gonna like it i love it i was dope and if your
Starting point is 02:16:50 heart is pure and if your blood is pure yeah meet me on the sixth it was funny because i was sitting up in the balcony and everybody else was down to the bottom i was like this is my movie theater it was a two-tier you know baby hundred dollars a level you know how it goes they call mezzanine jordan yeah man yeah a lot of people do all right mortal combat allison time for your fourth and your final picks okay i get to close it out or i get to close my picks out uh all right so for number four, I'm going to go for The Ringer's number one television show of 2021 as selected by me and my colleague, Miles Suri.
Starting point is 02:17:29 And that was The White Lotus on HBO. Let's see it. Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue. Dialogue, acting, acting. Acting. Mike White doing his thing. Yeah. So, I mean, for those who don't know, it's a six-episode limited series that was on HBO,
Starting point is 02:17:49 but the backstory to me was really cool, which is that Mike White is this guy who makes, like, cool indie movies no one sees and made a show for HBO called Enlightened, starring Laura Dern, 10 years ago, that, you know, got canceled after two seasons, and he hasn't been able to get anything made since then. He's talked to the press about how he wrote a show
Starting point is 02:18:10 for Jennifer Coolidge where she's like trapped in Sri Lanka. That sounded amazing and I'm very sad we haven't gotten to see it. And then the pandemic happened and apparently he has a reputation for being able to write really quickly. And HBO was like, oh shit, we need shows. And so they just went to him and were like,
Starting point is 02:18:27 can you write something that works for pandemic protocols? And he was like, sure. And I think, if I'm getting this right, it was literally like they talked to him in August and they were on set and shooting in October, which is crazy. And what's crazy is the show is so cohesive
Starting point is 02:18:48 and considered and does not feel like it was slapped together at all. At all, yeah. It's set in a Hawaiian resort, so that was kind of the COVID solve. It's all going to be one location. It's pretty small. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't watch it. Laura watched
Starting point is 02:19:03 the first episode and I was like... But you love Zahn. I do love Zahn. I never finished it. I love Connie Britton, too. You're a zombie, dude. Yeah, I'm a zombie. And a Connie.
Starting point is 02:19:12 And you're a loyal citizen of Britannia. I can't believe you didn't watch it. Great Britain, dude. I go there all the time. So for Sean's benefit, I won't spoil what happens, but it's one of those shows where it starts with a dead body, which I feel like a lot of shows do, and you're like, oh, what happened? Who died?
Starting point is 02:19:28 And then you keep watching, and you're like, I don't even care because these characters are just so well-drawn, and it's so funny, and it's such a good satire of rich white people on vacation in a, you know, basically a colony. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, basically a colony. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think it got some flack for like, it's definitely from the perspective of the rich white people
Starting point is 02:19:53 because Mike White is one of them and owns a house in a Kauai. But like, I think that's what makes it so good at making fun of them because it knows what it's talking about. And all of these characters are so like, all the guests are terrible, but you understand why they are the way they are. And they're allowed to have their own problems. And all the workers are, you know, being fucked over,
Starting point is 02:20:15 but they also are kind of low-key terrible. Murray Bartlett, I thought was so good as like the concierge basically of the hotel or the manager who- Oh, he was so good as like the the concierge basically of the hotel or the manager who oh he was so good I yeah I mean there are no bad performances I remember the middle of the season just like to fuck around in the middle of my
Starting point is 02:20:34 work day I was like what are your top three White Lotus performances and every single person was named at some point like Natasha Rothwell speaking of insecure is fucking great like jake lacy who everyone knows is the nice guy is so good as a total asshole and it resolved really satisfyingly because it was coming out week to week like i feel like people really got into it
Starting point is 02:20:57 the theme song slaps yeah just so good on so many levels yeah i fucking loved i every second of watching that show i enjoyed there was a minute though i i guess i did think there was like a minute where i was like is this good or does everybody say this is good like after the first two episodes i couldn't really tell because i could and then i was like by i think the third or fourth episode i was like fully in on it but i think i did have a moment of skepticism. I was wrong. Yeah, that was one of the things where like they let all the critics have the whole thing in advance, which like usually for like Mare of Easttown
Starting point is 02:21:34 or whatever, like Big Little Lies, they usually like save the last episode because they're like, we don't want you to like spoil what happens. But being able to watch all of it, like in, I think I watched it in like one or two days because I was like, oh shit shit, like, this is really good. I'm going to shotgun all this. And I was like, oh, yeah, like, the whole thing works.
Starting point is 02:21:51 Like, there was no doubt in my mind of, like, oh, maybe, like, it's building to something, but I don't know if it's going to stick the landing. It was like, nope, top to bottom, 100%. Turp to burdom. Turp to burdom. Turp to burdom. And your final pick? Turp to Burnham. Turp to Burnham.
Starting point is 02:22:02 Turp to Burnham. And your final pick? For my final pick, to close out our second year of the pandemic, I am going to pick, I think, the best piece of art that was made partly about it, which is Bo Burnham's Inside. Ah. That dude is a genius. Like, I know I literally just said I don't usually go for musical anything. And I'm also usually not a musical comedy person,
Starting point is 02:22:29 but yeah, like I, every time I engage with Bo Burnham before I was, I would always like watch the specials and be like, you know, like I can respect that this guy is really good at what he does. I'm, I was never like a hardcore fan.
Starting point is 02:22:41 I loved eighth grade. Oh yeah. And I watched this and I was like, it like destroyed me. I was like, this is, this is how I feel as someone who has been shut inside for a year plus at this point. It's how I feel as like a person who grew up on the internet and whose brain is just like permanently warped by it. Um, it was also just such a cool, like, you know, when he's not just by himself in front of an audience, he's a director.
Starting point is 02:23:07 So he's able to just do a lot visually with just like himself in a confined space. That was so impressive. I listened to the soundtrack all the time. It's stick. It's stuck with me more than anything else I watched this year. I think. I haven't seen it. I didn't. I can't. I know I'm wrong. I think. I haven't seen it. I know I'm wrong.
Starting point is 02:23:28 I should. I don't, to be fair, I haven't seen any comedy specials. I didn't watch any either this year. I'll back you up, Allison. It was great. It was a really great special. I'm glad I have a good time. I've heard amazing things.
Starting point is 02:23:42 Is that like a, I don't want to get any influence so no one can say I stole anything? No, not at all. I just get sick of comics. I like Bo Burnham a lot personally and his work. And like, I just can't, couldn't bring myself to watch something about the pandemic. Yeah, I think it's like kind of oversold how much it is about the pandemic, including like I'm totally guilty of that. But there's a lot of it that's just like a standalone comic premise. Like there's a whole song that's like making fun of the idea of comedians as people who can make a difference.
Starting point is 02:24:17 And there's like a whole song about like white girls on Instagram. And like a lot of it is just like its own standalone thing, but just, it really like builds, like it feels like it has a cohesive arc and like, he's such a good performer. I also really fucking respect that. He was just like,
Starting point is 02:24:37 here's my special. I'm not saying anything about it. I'm barely going to promote it. And I am not giving any interviews. Goodbye. Amazing. That's great. Which, you know, I mean, like selfishly, I would love the opportunity to talk to him about what was going on there, but
Starting point is 02:24:54 I can also respect that he was like, nope, it's just going out there and you're just going to deal with whatever it is. I'm going to watch it. This was the final thing that pushed me over the edge. I'm going to watch it. Okay, let me know I will uh Sean Jordan time for your final pick let me know
Starting point is 02:25:10 if I can pick this I think it's pop culture but it's also sports skateboarding the Olympics yeah sure yeah yeah yeah the Olympics were on TV I mean it's like I've just skateboarding it's like a you know more of a pop culture thing than like basketball I don't know but anyway to me that was a pop culture thing than like basketball. I don't know. But anyway,
Starting point is 02:25:25 to me, that was a pop culture thing. It was just, everybody was talking about it. Obviously I was very excited about it. I got to watch skateboarding on the Olympics. It was very fun. I got to watch it live.
Starting point is 02:25:34 Thrilled about it. Who's the young man from Japan who won the gold medal? What's his name again? Yuto Horigome. Yeah. He beat, it's, it's bummer.
Starting point is 02:25:42 Cause you realize Naja had like all this pressure put on him and like, say what you will about him, but whatever. I don't say anything. You're the one who hates me. I don't hate him. It's just he seems like he's... I think you kind of hate him. He seems like a dickhead. I don't... But he's had a rough life. So anyway, he was like all this pressure
Starting point is 02:25:58 to win the Olympics and then he didn't make the finals and the kid from Japan won, which was very nice because I think he's from there like i think it's his hometown so that was pretty cool to like win the olympics in your hometown it was pretty cool is it like figure skating where they like judge it's not it's not like an objective competition there has to be someone who's like 8.9 yeah they get scores yeah they get scores so were you like happy with the results?
Starting point is 02:26:25 You thought they judged well? It's always pretty clear. It's always pretty clear who wins. You know, you could tell. You'd be like, if you skate, you could be like, yeah, they're going to win. They did, you know, they did the best. So it was great. It was fair.
Starting point is 02:26:36 Pretty nuts that the Olympics were this summer, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Boy, that didn't leave a fucking imprint at all. Really? It's like, you're like, yeah, okay. I remember when they're on and I was like, man, I just don't care. There's another Olympics in like four months.
Starting point is 02:26:51 Yeah. Like. Oh, that's true. Yeah. I mean, these Olympics for me were like the TikTok Olympics. Because there were all these, the athletes had to be in quarantine and all of them were bored. And so they would all just be like, look at this weird food.
Starting point is 02:27:05 I have to eat or look at these beds. Look at the beds. They're made out of cardboard. Yeah. So I really liked experiencing the Olympics that way. Yeah. Anyway, skating in the Olympics.
Starting point is 02:27:16 Fantastic. David boy, your final pick. This one hurts me, but I am picking the Suns and Four guy. Oh, yeah, dude. Suns and Four. It was just like, if you're not a sports fan, you didn't see it.
Starting point is 02:27:34 Obviously, I love the Nuggets. It was just such a, like, it was so weird. They were buying him tickets. He got to go to, like, it was just crazy. Well, tell the story of who he is first so there were some some it was a nuggets game uh the nuggets sun series uh if you didn't watch it it doesn't matter how it ended it's you know both teams played great games disputed it's a lost history how the series ended who knows what happened to the nuggets that's for the myth
Starting point is 02:28:01 makers to tell that's listen Jokic is incredible. We can all stand behind that. And these two punk, really punk kids, from what I could tell from the video, started a fight with this guy in the stands. A Suns fan. A Suns fan. It was two on one. Probably what started my algorithm right there. Yeah, it was two on one.
Starting point is 02:28:23 They were taking cheap shots at the guy the guy gets the one kid and just kind of not like aggressively violently but definitely punches him in the face and then yells sons at four and everybody loved him the sons loved him they were flying him to games yeah he was just like this huge guy. And the kids were such punks. Like if you see the other videos they made where they were in the parking lot like pretending like they beat the guy up. It's just like fuck those kids. That's what this
Starting point is 02:28:54 not what this organization is about. But it was just like for like two weeks. It's all I saw. It was all I saw everywhere. Sons and four sons and four of it. And it was just like a really funny one of those sports moments one of these guys who not at all an athlete and it hurts because you know those guys were from denver it's not yeah listen this shit heads from everywhere man exactly exactly exactly
Starting point is 02:29:19 this is why it's good that we have fans back in the stands. So you can have these moments. Exactly. Because basketball without fans in the stands sucks. It sucks. It turns out I didn't care that much. No. The cardboard cutouts weren't doing it for you.
Starting point is 02:29:38 No. Yeah. Turns out a bubble is not the way that I want to watch sports. Yeah. For me, basketball is a big tent and not just what's happening on the court yeah yeah yeah yeah and suns and four it also is like it also was just that feeling of like remember when we first got back outside and everybody was going nuts yeah it felt like it was like the it was so indicative of that first like we're first all kind of like this is when everybody kind of started having the two shots and like it was really everybody creeping back outside and you
Starting point is 02:30:12 were hearing about it people were going nuts on planes yeah they were fighting everywhere it was just this this frenzy of us first getting out we forgot how to act completely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think Sons and Four Guy really encapsulates all that. Excellent. Time for my final pick. And there's a lot of stuff I want to go with here. There's so many. Really so many. So great albums, great movies, great TV shows this year.
Starting point is 02:30:39 I haven't taken a TV show yet. I have to take what was probably other than Succession, probably my favorite TV show. And the biggest surprise, uh, I loved reservation dogs and I have to take reservation. Good. It was on my list too.
Starting point is 02:30:52 Yeah. It's amazing. So good. It's amazing. Just fucking fan. I love that kind of like, like they do it on Atlanta as well, but there's something about like that kind of storytelling that is magical realism
Starting point is 02:31:06 and like the real world interacting with like modern myth and and old myths as well but just like i just love it this things feel like dreamlike sometimes but are also grounded in like real problems and all that shit i just love it and then on top of that the actors were they cast it that's what i was gonna say yeah so fucking good they were like so good none of them i mean a lot of the supporting actors had done stuff before shout out to like kirk fox and uh bobby lee was in it too like they did but um but those kids man those kids, man, those kids were so good. Yeah, it was amazing. Knocked it out of the park. It's so funny to me that FX also has another show that's an autobiographical comedy about a rapper.
Starting point is 02:31:54 And like, it's not the show that's the most like Atlanta. Like, it's Resurrection Dogs, which has that same. Yeah. I have the same feeling where like, I watched the pilot and I was like, you know, this is really good. Like, I'm going to watch it. But it's like, oh, you know, it's like a hangout show about kids like doing kid shit. Like I think I understand what this is. And then like every episode would just like unlock some new levels, some new like thing the show could do or like character that was interesting. And then by the end of the season, you were like, I would follow this anywhere.
Starting point is 02:32:23 Like this is so i have no idea where it's going next i trust it it's it was such a surprise you're yeah great pick so it just i just yeah it's just so fucking good there's that guy that like the the spirit native guy that would come in every now and again he's just got that one line where he's like man then i was on the hill and i looked over and i saw custer fuck i hated that guy and then he just it gets me so every time i think about that line i was like oh that was funny man fuck i hated that guy fuck i hated that guy dude bill burr as the fucking basketball coach oh my god god he's really who'd have thought that that was was where that guy was good he's so good at acting i think dallas goldtooth is that guy's name who plays the uh no no the spirit guide yeah
Starting point is 02:33:12 that rapper the dude on the show is a real rapper i i well for my limited dig around like a lot of those dudes you know a a multiple nami winning i doshield. Gabe Nightshield, dude. You know an actual American, a native rapper. Yeah, he's the one that told me what NAMIs were. And I was like, get out of here. And he's like, yeah, man. He was saying they go to the NAMIs. And he knows the guy who voices John Redcorn. It's just like a community.
Starting point is 02:33:40 I was like, oh my gosh. And he worked at the call center with me. That was one of the first times where I'm like, man man this is different like you're here on a call center and people calling you whatever all day and then you're winning native american grammys when you're not here it's wild how that works it was just yeah i can't like if you haven't seen it i can't recommend it enough it was so good it's easy to watch too. It's good. Give it a shot. Oh yeah, you'll be pissed. It'll be over before you're ready for it to be over.
Starting point is 02:34:10 That's my final pick. Marissa, Super Producer Mars, do you have a pick? Yeah, my pick will be the weekend Super Bowl performance. Totally. Nice. Oh Canada. I just thought it was a really cool COVID safe performance with an insane amount of backup dancers
Starting point is 02:34:26 and visually it was just so fun to look at so that's my pick did you watch all those videos leading up to it too? no but I'm excited to watch the documentary what was it? the documentary about it? yeah yeah yeah about all the videos leading up to it? about the I guess putting together that halftime performance
Starting point is 02:34:42 awesome the way they wore the mask was so smart. That was great. Ah, excellent pick, as always, Marissa. Great meme potential, too. Like the shot of him running through the hall of mirrors. That showed all over my timeline for weeks. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:34:56 Fucking nailed it. To recap, Allison, you went first. You took movie theaters, Squid Game, Dune, The White Lotus, and Bo Burnham's Inside. Sean, you went next. You took Succession Season 3, What We Do in the Shadow Season 3, 1015 Season Unknown, Mortal Kombat, skateboarding in the Olympics. David, you went third. You took NFTs, Insecure's final season, final episode, the Montero video, the Free Britney movement, and Sons in 4.
Starting point is 02:35:23 I went last i took musicals licorice pizza get back olivia rodrigo's sour and reservation dogs we left that's a mixtape right there that's a big mixtape speaking of mixtapes we left call me if you get lost title of the creator's album uh on the board which was so good he's he's really hitting his stride is uh everything he's just fucking amazing easily you can do it all yeah i had yeah a bunch of stuff i mean the vaccine kind of would have counted the vaccine does not count no all right i don't think so really well i don't know maybe maybe there was culture around it like maybe there was don't let me box you in dude we left all of marvel
Starting point is 02:36:02 all of marvel all of marvel on the table, like WandaVision, No Way Home. Mare of Easttown. Famous MCU heroine, Mare of Easttown. I'd like to see her show up. Her superpower that she can drink all the red rock in the world and won't get
Starting point is 02:36:21 drunk. What are you guys doing in here? What are you guys doing? Thanos? What are you guys doing? Thanos? Uh, Japanese breakfast had a big year, that album Jubilee, and then crying at H Mart too. Um,
Starting point is 02:36:37 that song silk chiffon by Huma featuring Phoebe Bridgers was so fucking good. And I hadn't heard it until they performed on our show. And then I was like, Oh, this is a banger. Um, Oh, this album, I want to recommend again, Driftwood by Yasmin Williams
Starting point is 02:36:48 which is just like guitar kind of type stuff which was so fucking good one of my favorite things I've listened to this year what else oh the Summer of Soul documentary was so good oh I had that on my list too the Billie Eilish album
Starting point is 02:37:03 I haven't heard it yet. I didn't get into it. I gotta listen to that. If you don't listen to any, listen to like the, speaking of things you want to scream to in your car, the title track is like, it's basically two songs in one.
Starting point is 02:37:16 And the first one is like Billie Eilish whispering. And then the second half, which like she doesn't really do this anywhere else, is like full like guitars screaming did she do that on snl yeah oh it was so good oh hell yeah i had airplane fights on here that seems to be a big pop culture thing that's a good one yeah there was a lot of those there was a lot of those there's so many freaking out on airplanes about wearing masks not wearing masks yeah oh yeah i feel like mass culture must have been must have been huge for fight videos.
Starting point is 02:37:46 You must have just had a bonanza this year. I gotta stop talking. Every computer can hear me. Girls5 Eva, I think you should leave. Both really funny shows that I enjoyed. Girls5 Eva was really funny. The building was great.
Starting point is 02:38:01 I watched and enjoyed all of Ted Lasso. I know it has a bit of a reckoning, I guess, in the culture. I'm still here for it. As a person with a mustache, I think you're biased. I think you have to recuse yourself from this conversation. My mustache predates Ted Lasso. But it is nice to be represented in media. On someone who's not on a pizza box.
Starting point is 02:38:24 You know what's crazy is uh judas and the black messiah came out this year that was this year man i think so it's i have no frame of time it it just doesn't seem like anything to me i don't even know what day it is honestly most days i just don't know not out of a weird thing one last thing i wanted to say was watching the trailer for house of gucci although not watching the movie house of gucci i haven't watched it so i saw the last duel i saw the last duel that was like the better ridley scott movie this year by like 10 000 times but it's less memeable so no one heard about it i did not like house of gucci i did not really i house of I did not like House of Gucci
Starting point is 02:39:05 No it's not good I almost fell asleep several times Which is like not what you want From a Lady Gaga Jared Leto movie It doesn't even work In the so bad it's good way It's just boring It's just bad
Starting point is 02:39:20 It's just boring Whoever cut the trailer Knew what the people wanted from that movie And the trailer, like knew what the people wanted from that movie. And the movie does not know what the people wanted from that movie. No. It's like Medellin, you know? Yes.
Starting point is 02:39:32 Interesting. Just like Entourage of Medellin. I also, and not to, not to keep going when we've already recorded for too long, didn't really love Don't Look Up. Oh, uh,
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