All Fantasy Everything - Pop Princesses (w/ Sophie Buddle)

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

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This is a headgum podcast. Welcome to another brand new episode of all fantasy everything, the podcast that fantasy drafts anything and everything from the world of pop culture and doesn't wait long enough between eating a protein bar and the start of the podcast when we're doing it. On today's episode, though, we are drafting pop princesses. Pretty excited. I'm pretty excited for this one. Our guest today is Sophie Bottle.

Stand-up comedian. We need like a soundboarder. We really do. We need something to press. I think when we get people who are especially excited about we should have. Isaac, do you want to do like an audio drop after Sovi's name? I will do that. What kind of drop should I do?

Air horn. Airhorn. Airhorn would be good. And then throw one in for yourself. Maybe like a little like fricking, fricking fresh. Okay, all right. That's good. I'll just use that.

Great. As a matter of fact. Do we want to get it clean? Do we want to get it clean? Do we want to get it clean? Yeah, okay, okay. Okay. Three, two, two, one.

Frick and fricicic fresh. Scrim, scram. Wow. If you needed that again. Why do you need it? So we have it. Yeah, yeah. Why do you see scram?

Like get out of here or scram like for the air horn? Just sounds like the air horn sounds. Scream. You guys don't hear actual letters when you hear an air horn like I do? You got like synesthesia? I think it's synesthesia. Me and Farrell, dude. One of the many similarities.

You also wear those little sunglasses. You love those little. And you're from Virginia Beach. Yeah. Ain't shit to do but cook. I'm saying. So yeah, see music, bro. Ooh, a sunshine flavored sparkling water.

What would you say the flavor actually is? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I wonder if they just made something like, I don't know, it tastes good. All of those flavors are really just like, it's carbonated water and then they whispered like strawberry. Yes. They put a strawberry in the next room for half an hour and then that's it. They just had a Frenchman on top who said pompal moo.

Pampi mood. Pampi me, baby mood. I'm in host Ian Carmel with me as always my friend Sean Jordan and David Bore. Here we are. All fantasy, everything. It's the middle of June right now. Yeah, it is. June 19th.

Happy June 19th. June 19th. Happy June 19th. It's 18th. Almost Juneteenth. Almost June 10th. It's the 17th, right, June 10th? It's the 19th?

It's the 19th? Like I've always said. Yep, never mind. What is it? What day is it? No, I was correct. I just second-guess myself. because I have low self confidence.

Yeah. But good jackets. Great jackets. But good jackets. And that helps the self-confidence. I'd rather have the good jackets than the low self-confidence than vice versa. You're kind and caring and gorgeous and talented. Yeah.

You should have tons of self-confidence. You're tall? Mm-hmm. You're handsome. I'm not tall. You're tall. I'm 5'10. You read tall.

Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're strong? Red leather in your car. I do have red leather in my car. Oh. That's cool. That's cool.

Is Juneteeth the 19th? It is a 19th. Oh, shit. Get him. Yeah. Oh, shit. Sean Jordan is here. Sean Cougar, Mellon Jordan on Instagram.

Sean Kuger Mellon Jordan on Instagram. The, in, in August, I'll be in New Orleans. I forget the date, but it's sports drink, so I will post about it. Nobody's going to that, dude. September something, I'm headlining the Motor City Comedy Festival in Detroit. But more important, September 20,000. All Fantasy Everything, 10 year anniversary, Aladdin Theater, late show.

Hopefully there's still tickets available, hopefully. I bet you there's not. If it sells out as fast as that first one, dude. September 16th through 20th, the Motor City Comedy. So I'm doing the 16th, September 16th. I'm headlined in that night. I'll be in Tahiti. Are you really?

Really? For gags? No, my honeymoon. That's sick. Are you going to try to get some same time? You know people are doing that. You know they're doing that. I know people who did that.

I know somebody who after the night of their wedding, they got married where they live, they went and did a set. Christ that night. Yeah. Ali Wong did a set at the punchline in her wedding dress. Really? That's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool.

I did a set the night before my wedding. Did you? Yeah, we did Lance Bang's birthday party. Oh, that was a night before your wedding? Yeah, that was the night before my wedding. Did you run your bows? No, I did not run my bow. But I did.

Weirdly, I did. Yeah. Yeah. Because I didn't want to, I wanted to like, are these jokes, can they stand on their own? Yeah. A bunch of wedding jokes. It's like when Nikki Glazer does before the Golden Glocks. Yeah, please go out and tell you.

Yeah. She runs it so much. Yeah, you're like, put yourself there mentally. You're at my wedding. You love me. You're on my wedding. Yeah. I've had people ask me to do stand-up at their wedding, like friends where they're like, do you want to do some stand-up at the wedding.

And they're like, you don't want, there's not a worse idea for me to do stand-up at your wedding. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I have done stand-up at a couple receptions. mentioned. Yeah. If it goes the way I... I ain't bringing it up.

Yeah. We... Yeah. I... Can I... Don't think I signed an NDA. I wrote jokes and traveled to a destination

with somebody for a wealthy person's wedding who that somebody did not know. And they were brought out there. I remember when you did that. I remember that too. I remember when you did that. Just to do, like just to be a part of the reception

and do kind of like a light roast of the people getting married and their families. But this person who I went out there with didn't know anyone and the people getting roasted were not famous in any way. And like, it went weird. It went really, really, really weird. Yeah. It's a weird setup.

As it should. It was awful. There's a chance you were human trafficked. Yeah. Yeah. It did take me years to get back. And we did travel in the hole of a ship. Yeah.

It would be easy to get to if you went into traffic comedians, which nobody does, obviously. There's no value on the black market. But you could be like, yeah, come. It's a road gig. $300. Nobody wants to get traffic. Nobody wants to have access to that all the time. The amount of, like, my wife will ask details on some of these shows.

I'm like, I don't know. I'm staying at the hotel that I'm met. I don't, I haven't looked one bit at the email. I'll know when I get there. I've been booked by an Albanian organized crime syndicate. They seem chill. They seem cool. They want me to do 15 minutes.

They're going to pay me $50,000. It seems on the level. It seems on the level. This is, you know, you do all the free gigs for stuff like this to come along. This is why I work for chicken wings all the time. Yeah, that's right. And your love of chicken wings. Love them.

I don't mind getting paid. If it's enough chicken wings, fine paying it. You don't love chicken wings. Well, chicken tenders with sauce on them. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. Which are easier to make.

Give me all the chicken tenders you got. What number of chicken tenders to get you on a podcast? plane. And it's only chicken tender. And you're only getting paid in tender. Can I bring them? The immediate mental math. The fact that you tried is

what stand-up comedy is. The fact that you paused for a second and like, wait. How long of a flight? Two hours. Easy flight. Yeah, I don't know. Can I bring them home? Yeah.

You can bring some home, yeah. 2,000. I'd go. Okay. Somebody wants to give me 2,000. I'm trying to convert that to dollars. Transportable. Well, you're buying in bulk.

Right. It's going to be less than a dollar a tender. The sauce is more important. I was thinking like $800. You have sauce at home, I assume that you like better. Yeah, but I want their dink sauce from wherever they're at, though. Right. I want a lot of local sauce.

All right. Like a barrel. Yeah, transportable barrel. Sure. Transportable. Transportable. Transportationable. Yeah.

Yeah. No. Transportable. You had it. Portable. You're in there. Transportable. Don't stop.

A barrel of sauce. I want it to be good too spicy but don't prove a point you know I don't want to be bummed afterwards little kick little kick don't storm the beach alone I just you know like make it hot I don't be crying so I'm not trying to be challenged

that's what I just hosted a hot sauce competition in Portland and I was very pleasantly surprised because all the hot sauces were reasonable they weren't I wasn't crying after any of them you know I love to hear that oh they were so fun who won nobody really won everybody had fun it was just people got up and judge

they were trying to try trying different local hot sauces. I don't know why I'm pressing you. Yeah, they're trying to get this off the ground. You sound like a boomer right now. You're like, oh, if we get some participation to me. You're still doing chicken tender math here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're sourcing 2,000 chicken tenders. He's deep in tender math over here. Yeah. There's a calendar I just saw, the Costco website. Oh, yeah, there's windows. When you buy that many tenders, you have to do it in a window. Yeah, you probably get bulk if you go through like American Apparital. barrel or something.

It's 8 times 6. 8 times 6, 42. 42, okay. Is it? 48. 48. Easy, and you don't have any self-confidence. You just finished your son.

You just took a long sip and then corrected you. 48. 48. It's a nice correction, too. All right, so 48 chicken tenders at Costco is $23. Oh, is that just barely? Is that the brand? This is the Kirkland signature brand chicken tenderloid.

Let's call it 50. So that goes in 100 twice. So at 1,000, we are at 20. So 40 of those. So it's 40 times 22. You're moving real fast, I feel like, to make up for you. 600. 6,400.

No, that can't be right. 880 bucks? I want more than $880 to get on a plane. So 1,000 chicken tenders is $880. That's what you sold yourself out for. But he said 2000. He said 2000. Oh, 2,000.

Oh, all right. Well, I still want more than that. So $1,600? Two bands to get me on a plane. Come on, be nice. In chicken tenders, though, you know that. Not legal tender. Can I sell these?

If you had that many, you could start doing, you know, there's like cash spread videos where they, like, spread out the calf on their arm. With, like, the chicken tenderloins calling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just you in front of a hellcat with a lot of chicken? Laura comes home and I'm just like, you want to see what I got paid? Bam, I just dump them all in the bed. Yeah. The colonel's on the phone.

You make love to your wife on a bed of chicken. Not a bed of chicken wings. Frozen. Frozen, curdling signatures. Condenders. Anyway, Aladdin, September 26. Come see it. We've been doing this for 10 years.

10 years. Sell it out. David Borny's here. Cool Guy Jokes 87 on Instagram. Yeah. Where can people see you? I'm lying low till the wedding, man. Just be...

Chilling. Leg day, probably. Yeah. Thursday? Thursday could be like day. Watching the World Cup. There we go. Oh, yeah.

I was trying to watch Afcon, but then I, the Times, everything looked crazy. Big controversy in Afcon. Well, Jamel was feeding me so much, Jamel was feeding me so much Afcon content that I felt like I watched. I don't even know what sport. I don't know what Afghans. Soccer, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, what organization? African Cup of Nations.

Oh, okay, okay. And then I've watched the European Cup of Nations before. Yeah. Because I remember one year I watched it with my whole family and I picked Greece and then Greece won. And then Greece was. One? Yeah, this was like 04, though. I remember the year that the Netherlands one,

my mom was, like, riding hard for the Netherlands. We still have a orange shirt from that year. Why do they love orange? Isn't it like there was a royal family whose color was orange or something like that? Their last name is orange. But, like, there was a royal family whose last name is orange, which is what the color is named after, which is what the... What?

They invented orange? Yeah. Well, the color existed. The Dutch invented orange? I may be getting this wrong. I just give me to back me up on the... There's a... Considered a red.

The prominent place at the House of Orange, Nassau played in the history of the Netherlands. William I, the First of Orange, or William the Silence, played a crucial role. And orange was just considered... The color orange was just considered red.

Oh. And then I think the fruit was named after the family and then the color was named after that. Oh, wow. Maybe? And then a blood married in. And a blood... That's where I got blood oranges.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. Tight. Shout out to the bloods. Chown to the blood. I shot you, man. We taught my mom how to do the blood, like how to spell blood with her fingers. And now she always does it in pictures.

That was a big one. So fun. It was really fun back in the news. Big one of middle school for us. Sophie pointed out that Chon and I are dressed the same. Exactly. Whoa, yeah. You had a cameo hat on earlier, too.

I took it off because of this. Yeah. I didn't. It just happened. We looked like a militia over here. Yeah. You guys got some ideas. and I don't want to hear them.

Pretty cool militia, I got a Jamel t-shirt on. Pacific Northwest militia. A Pacific Northwest, yeah. Also still can be complicated. Yeah, they're still rub up there. I got a Tolladno Street Comedy Festival shirt on. Trailblazing hat.

Yeah, yeah. Mellow stuff. This is also a troblahs and a better, cooler way. Are you guys separatists? We're just kind of doing our own militia things. They're separated from their wife. Yeah, you know. Because of the militia.

The militia is my wife now. All these militia guys are having marital issues. I'm married to the militia. I love my wife. There are many, there are many militias, but this militia is mine. My brother. I'll go to war with you. I'm walking into the fire with you.

It's like the only time it made sense. Sophie Buttle is here. This comes out mid-June. Where would you like to point people? Okay. I was afraid that this was going to come to me. Sophie Buds on Instagram. Sof buds.

No problem. Sof buds. Sof buds. I'm so bad at the Instagram stuff. June. Um, okay. Okay. Let's see.

It's coming up. Yeah. It's the month after May. Good month. Interesting. The sixth, right, dead middle. And that's good. Okay, Portland, actually, August 7th and 8th, my birthday.

Oh, let's go. Oh, where is Portland? You're in comedy club? I only have the cities here. I'm coming. I bet it's the Lium Comedy Club. And then Indianapolis, August 14, 15. The Portland of the Midwest.

I don't know about that. No, no, I hate Indianapolis. Never had a good time there. I'm sorry if you're from there. I've never... One time I had a good time there, I take a bed. Oh. Yeah, but it's not one.

The new dates aren't up on your website yet. No, we're making a tour poster right now. I'm going to post it this one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Either way, I'll be in Portland. I'll come to the show.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, Portland. We have a, as I am from Portland, and Sean has invaded my homeland and spoiled it. 17 years I've been living there. Newcomers. for your break to live here with you for free.

How long did you live in Sioux Falls? 28 years. Okay, so we're still a decade away from your Portland times are passing that. When that happens, what are we going to do? I don't know. We should kill a guy. We should kill a guy. Okay.

I'll let me talk during the shows in Portland. Okay. You can pick out who it is. This will be rad. My name is Ian Carmel. Watch Fox. Watch the World Cup after late night. thing we're doing. I don't know the name

of it. I don't know that it has an official name as the time of this recording, but it's me, it's James Gordon, it's Rio Ferdinand, we're talking the World Cup, we're having some laughs, we're having a lot of fun. It's going to be great. Rotating guests. And then the fourth seat will be a rotating guest. That's awesome. Yeah. Pretty rad.

It's going to be really fun. Going to be writing on it and meeing on it. So, hope you like it. Yeah. Come to our show. That's your new catchphrase. Hope you like it. I hope you like it. I hope you like it.

September 26th in Portland, Oregon, the 11th theater. And we're going to be doing stuff all around that for our 10-year reunion. So stay tuned for some more fun developments there. Reunion. Will we have been separated at that time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a few days. Yeah. And then we're just back together for them.

Yeah. We were reunite. We're reuniting. Reconvene. It's going to feel so good. We're going to do it on the roof like the Beatles. Yeah. I would love that.

It would be tight. It's not a bad idea. You can't get 600 people on the roof. Roof time is huge as an adult. Yeah. Get up on a roof? When you're a kid and you get up on a roof, it's the best day of your whole life.

And then as adults, like, we could get up on more roofs and we don't think to do it. We have access to so many more roofs. When I, my old apartment in L.A., the reason I wanted it so bad is because it was like, there was like three apartments on the ground level

and then we were the only one on the second floor. And so we were plumb with the garage at the back. And so we were the only ones with access. the top of the garage. And so as soon as we were looking at this place, I was like, I'm getting up on there. And it's locked. They really don't want you up there. And I was asking the listing agent, like, hey, can I get up on there? And he's like, the owners really don't want you to. And I said, okay. And he said, no, it's not, like the roof isn't reinforced. Like you can't. They have to say that. They have to say that. Tale as old as time. And so I have a lot of

younger cousins that will come and visit me. And so every time my cousins would come over, I was like, hey, get up on the, you know. It's like, if they get up on it. It's like, if they would be on the roof. And so something happened. And then none of them would do it. They sensed my, my mischief. Oh, yeah. There's this one night I was, like, cleaning up the kitchen. And I looked, and there was, you know, big homeless guy on the roof, okay. And we, the windows were open, and I said hi.

And he was like, I'm just smoking some weed. And I was like, okay. And so I texted my boyfriend. On my roof. Is it sturdy out there is my main question. Not a thing you haven't got a roof for anymore either. I texted my boyfriend. I texted my boyfriend.

And I was like, hey, there's a homeless guy in the roof. I didn't ask him to leave. And so in the morning when we wake up, we're dead. That's what happened. Like just so that there's like a route. A paper trail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then obviously nothing happened, but in the morning he gave me a talking to.

He was like, if there's a man on the roof of any socioeconomic level, you can wake me out. Get my gun. And so now I know. We're Canadian. So we can, you know. Get my stick? What kind of stick? Hockey stick.

Oxy stick. Yeah. Or lacrosse, I think, also invented in Canada? Yes, very big. Yeah, that's right. I thought it was a Native American game. In Canada. Canada stills a lot of stuff.

North American. Yeah. Ah. Watch that show. Watch it. Come to our anniversary. We're here today not to talk about. Are you going to get the end on any cool World Cup parties?

If I do, you'll be the first to know. Buddy. Yeah. I got some shoes for that. Oh, I bet. Cleats, indoor cleats? That would be awesome. I wear a lot of indoor cleats.

I love soccer wear. It does look good. Soccerwear does look good. So Diadora. Yeah, oh yeah, some whales bonner, Adidas? Yeah. That would look real good. Yeah.

Do you call it whales boner? Is that how it's pronounced? Bonner. Bonner. Okay. I would bet dollars a donuts. A whales bonner. A whales boner.

I would be wearing a whales boner to the afterbunch. It's actually called a dork. It is called a dork. That's what a wail's boner is called. Wills boner is called a dork. That's where dork comes from. Whel up whaling their dork. Who up whaling their dork?

Whaling on your dork? I was wailing on my dork yesterday. We could find out who of wailing on they dork, but instead we are going to fantasy draft Pop Princesses an idea that Sophie came to us with. I love it. I can't believe we haven't done it before. I couldn't believe you hadn't done it before. It's very exciting.

You are... You want to delay some... You were going to share the death. Oh, I like that. Well, and I'm open... I'm flexible to all of this. No, no. What I was thinking just so we have general guidelines

is pop princesses, girl, no effect. Guys, no offense, no offense. There were no guys in my life. Girl. Okay, great. No groups. So, like, no spice girls. Like that.

No, no catsi, whatever. Yeah. I know you were a big cat's eye. I thought the Gap commercial was coming off the pivotal moments in pop culture this year. I've actually been hanging out with some children recently. A lot of Cats Eye too, really. What about? I know a surprising amount about Catsie.

Yeah. I know what's her face left and but they're not permanent. Or little girls at least love Catseye. No, cat's fun. I mean, I watched the documentary series. It was great. They're cool. Groups.

Do you remember that group, All Saints. Since we can't talk about it. They were fantastic. No, I didn't know All Saints. Robbie Robertson's girlfriend, right? I think any era. I think any era is fine. Yeah.

And then also, and this is the part where I'm up for, you know, discussion, is there's pop and then there's pop plus, you know. So like a Shanaya Twain, for example, is pop, but she's like, she's so also country. Yeah. Yeah. And so I would say pop, pop, like true pop.

I like that. like no Ella Langley or anything. Like there's these pop. I'm going pop, princess, icon. I think we put those borders on it. I think that makes it a stronger direct.

Okay. Yeah. I think that's good. Right. Yeah. Ella Langley. She's got this song. She's in Texas.

She's like the new like pop. She's like our country. Her, Gabriela Rose. Bailey King is really good. When did this happen with you? I've like lately I've been wanting like female artists like female singers. But Charles always very abreast of pop though. No,

not pop. He's talking. country though. But there's like a little like Luke Coim's gone country. Well some of it like Luke Holmes is fantastic. There's like some really good country but not like that pop country like Sam Hunt and shit like like Luke Combs and

Leon Bridges is getting in there a little bit. It's uh you know just I don't know you're trying to keep an open mind. I didn't know you were over there. Get over there. Get over there. Spotify's a big town man. Are you the one who said they got a lot of songs? They got a lot of songs. I do love friendships that are so close where it's like it's just This is Spotify.

There's like a song that you like and he turns to you. He's like, what's going on with you that? Hey, man. You've changed. I never heard you listen to this song before. Why would you keep this from me? We were driving back from a show in Philadelphia. We did the podcast there.

Back to New York. We were going to sleep in New York that night. And I forget, were we talking about Spotify? Or was I, I can't remember what, but I said Spotify. I was like, Spotify's got a lot of songs. Yeah. What were we talking about? I think I might have been putting a song on.

I am also so right or die for Spotify. My boyfriend uses, get this. everyone sit down. YouTube music. Oh, whoa. I don't know. I've never heard that. I'm a title, man.

I was going to say, David's on title. That's crazier even. They gave me my own playlist. That's huge. I never leave. Spotify, you could make your own playlist. No, no, no, like they published my playlist. They got their hooks in them.

All right. Whatever. It's like Arties and Bullshit, which I think is a good name. Hardies? The Android phone. Parties and Bullshit. Parties like Carl's Jr.? Yeah.

All right, yeah. I like that. The Biggie song, Parties and Bullshit. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is everybody pretty much off Apple Music, though? I think so. I don't know anyone.

My fucking wife for some reason. She still on it? She uses Apple Music. My wife does too. My wife does too. Why? I sent her when I was first a court in, where we didn't even know each other in person. She was on Twitter.

I sent her a, she like asked like, hey, I never had a boyfriend when I lived in Brooklyn. You know, so I missed out on all this like indie rock, whatever, whatever. And I was like, ah, an opening. And I made like this long indie rock playlist. And I sent it to her. I was like, I never lived in Brooklyn, but I'm from Portland, which was kind of like the Brooklyn of the West Coast. Check this out.

Made this long Spotify playlist. She never listened to it. Dog. Because she's on Apple music. Has she still not? Still not. You haven't. She didn't really want.

You haven't in the car been like, yeah, oh, what's this? Oh, shit. It's a playlist I made for you. Oh. You're like the Beastie Boys. Beastie Boys is not on the Indy Rock playlist. Oh, is it like Arcade Fire and stuff? It's like the Knife, the Arcade Fire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff like that. To beasty boys. This little man I've heard of You're in a history right How about Paul Revere? A little ditty. A little story I got to tell. Now the way we are here to pop princesses, those are the grand rules.

Now the way we determine the order of the draft is through a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors. Play between the three of you. Great. We throw on shoot. Here we go. Rock paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, cats.

Oh, cats. Here we go again. Rock paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, David wins. Odd person out. The odd person out. Gotcha. Rock against two papers.

David's on a hot streak. You win all the time. Yeah. It's crazy. Well, I didn't know that's how we were doing it also. So maybe I would have picked different strategies. This is what Mina said the other day. And it's like, would it have changed your...

Definitely. You want to do it again? Because men always pick rock. And so that's why I do paper. I pick paper. I know, but on the second one. You pick scissors first one. He never picked rock.

You picked rock, though. Who knows? He can even remember. That's fine. He's a goddamn man. We're partying. That's fine. David, as the winner

has incumbent upon you to determine the order of today's draft, but before you do that, I will remind you it is a serpentine draft. And what is that? It's a great question. It's like soothing out cement when it's drying on a sidewalk.

Catan style. Yes. Catan style? It's like the first person goes and the last person goes, last person gets to go twice and then it comes back around. That's a hundred percent right.

That's Catan style. How come you never did sell as a catan style? She just walked into your kitchen and ate your lunch. Yeah. I have been marinating that. Does the big part of the show is you explaining every episode?

And I do it every time. And you never even. No, please. That was perfect. You're just walking to the dojo and beat the sense. That's great. Unfortunately now you have to be on the show. Every other you know.

You got to show up and do the serpentine explanation. Yeah. But that also means, unfortunately, we're going to have to let you go. You just take my ring off. Maybe you can start explaining the rock paper scissors system instead. Oh. That actually would warn an explanation. You're not the first person who's been like, wait, that's how it works?

We could. Do we work a new bid in? 490 episodes. Never too late. Never too late. Are we 496 right now? I think so, 496. Wow.

That'll be this one. Basically what it means you get it. Fourth in the first round, then you pick first in the second round. David, with that mind, what would the order of today's draft bid? I'm going on the couch again. All right, David. David, Sophie, Ian, Sean. Hot Corner.

Sean. David, Sophie, Ian, Sch. is the order, which means David gets the first pick in the pop princesses draft, and we're going to get to that pick right after this short break. This episode of All Fantasy, Everything, is brought to you by Alienware. Elevate your gaming performance with Alienware days of deals

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Welcome back to All Fantasy Everything. The only podcast that has ever existed. Here we are. We're drafting Pop Princess as David Borey. You have the first pick. Madonna. Great. Great pick.

Lace. Like a Virgin. Material Girl, Mara. What's it? Papa Don't Preach. Yes. Where she's wearing

the Italians Do a Better shirt. Very funny. I bought that shirt because I was so influenced by that picture. I love that video. I love Papa Dome. That might be my favorite

Madonna song actually. Like a prayer. It goes crazy for me. That song is one of the greatest songs of all time. I love Laisla Bonita. That's a fun one too. La Isla Bonita.

It's so good. Let me ask you that because this is a fun question to pose about Madonna. At what point do you cease to be a pop princess and become a pop queen? She's still a pop princess? Is she still a pop princess? I think so. You don't think gray light was like a transitionary?

I think if you asked her, are you a pop princess or you a pop queen? She'd be like, I'm a pop princess. I think that if you asked her that, she would answer that way. You don't get that much plastic surgery to age out of your title. Hopefully the archival pieces have been resurfaced from her Coachella performance with someone who will go unnamed at this time, who should duet. with. Somebody stole

Madonna's clothes from Coachella. I would do that. I emphasize that weird. This year, this just happens. Sniff it then flip it. Yeah, I'm going to snip it. I'm flipping. Yeah, I'm going to flip it. It was a business decision mostly. I don't need these clothes for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think just really definitive of a generation of a time. Super controversial when she first came out, which is fun. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I feel like one of the, she invented reinventing yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like a really big part of being a pop princess is being able to reinvent yourself constantly. Right.

And she literally invented that. Right, right, right, right. Also, Vogue. Yeah. What was the movie she did? Right around material. Desperly seeking Susan. That's right. Yeah.

With the little want-had circle. Are you serious? Yeah. Is that the one where, what was the theme song for it? She did the theme song, right? I just know because my mom is a big Madonna fan. She likes that movie. My mom is a big Madonna fan.

Okay. And I watched the movie with her like not that long ago. And it's like, this movie sucks. Yeah. It's not very good. But I think that's also part of being a pop musician is making a bad movie. Yeah. Well, wait until my pick.

Oh, yeah. I'll reinforce that. They all got, they all. Most of them got one where you're like, what were you doing on that? Into the groove was the song. from Desperately. See the groove for you got to prove your love to me. Yeah.

And that's as much as me only going to say. We'd only do four seconds. Also, dancing was such a big part in the beginning of me. I feel like later it wasn't as much of it. Well, later people then danced around her, which is the transition you got to make at some point. Right, right, right, right. But still, you know, she was doing some stuff at this Coachella performance that I'm like, oh my God. She still got it.

She still got it. I mean, she's, she's in wildly good shape. She's 65 now. I mean, think about the four minutes music video with Justin Timberlady. Yeah. Incredible body. Yeah. She's 65.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The Immaculate Collection. That's a great hit album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that greatest hit CD. Light blue with like the, like, the ribbon filigree on it. That is one of the greatest greatest hit CDs of all time. The sex book.

The sex book. On my stepdad's table. Before they got married. I saw it just says sex in green. in there? Every stepdad in America. He just sat and sit on his table knowing his maybe future stepson

was coming over to the crib and he was like, I think that's why. He tried to impress you. He tried to keep you busy. He tried to keep you busy. What was that mockumentary she did? It was not truth or dare. I thought it was real.

I think it was a documentary. I don't think it was real. She didn't make, but that guy showed his penis in a restaurant. Yeah. Oh, it was a documentary. Never mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Full blonzie. Full blonzie. I remember seeing that on VH1. Edited. Edited. Madonna was a VH1 queen, I think, for sure. Big time on VH1. Remember VH1 was like, no.

Yeah. Like, MTV was like cool. VH1 was like... I actually don't know VH1. Like, I don't know if we didn't have it in Canada. You did not. Video hits one. Is that what it stood for?

Uh-huh. VH-1 was like adult MTV. Yeah. Oh, thanks. They did behind the music. I remember the bit in that, if you guys ever watch it. senseless with Marlon Wayans and David Spade.

David Spade was telling Marlon Wayans why he couldn't be in racist. Tell him Marlon Wayans why he couldn't be in the fraternity. And he was like, you're MTV Jams. We're VH1 weekend. Okay. It's kind of an Apple Mac commercial. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't nearly as good. You get a Bonnie Raid song on VH1. No, well, VH1 was John Hodgman. MTV was Justin Long. Who's for sure, John Audrey? Yeah. Madonna, great pick, great first pick. Yeah, huge pick.

And so I would like to know how we argue later, how to get our girls to move forward in, like, how do we win later? There's no tournament format just at the end of it. We just kind of have to determine who we can argue about who has the best list. And our listeners can argue about who has the best list. Okay, so it's a bit of a Portland hot sauce competition situation. A little bit more than less, yeah. Yeah. Usually there's a winner. Because Ian will recap it and you hear them all at once.

You're like, oh, well, that. I'm between two. I'm deeply between two and I'm scared that one of you is going to take my other one. But I have to go Brittany. I got to go Britney. That's a, yeah. That was crossroads, terrible movie. Crossroads, terrible movie. We, my buddy worked at a movie theater when that came out. We watched it a ton. And it was so bad. It was so bad. But I love her so much. She imprinted on me in such a significant. way that there's nobody else that I can really have my as my first pick except for her. Yeah. I would argue not since Madonna and not since Brittany really.

Has there been someone who's so clearly typified pop princess? I mean, it was basically Marilyn Monroe and then Madonna and then Brittany and those are kind of the main ones. I think so. Yeah. I know Marilyn says, you know, whatever, but like I feel like I iconic wise in the world.

Yeah. It was kind of that order. And I also like for me, like, because I had no money growing up. My family had no money. Brittany is one of the very, very few pop princesses that had no money was like trailer trash, has like sketchy family. Like it's really, it's one of the realist like rags to riches story. There's ever been she's great at dancing, great at singing. Like it's for me well-rounded.

The songs are great, which ultimately really it does come down to like. Yeah. Because I can excuse anything for good art. Like, I'll look past stuff that would appall you if I like the art. You know what's crazy about Britney Spears is because she was so famous, so young, she's 44 right now. Yeah. She's 44. She's not.

Yeah, of course she is. Yeah. That was always because I'm her age and that was always when I was 15, I think is probably when she hit. Your little one was killing you. She's our age. It was nuts where I'm like, this woman is our age. And then seeing her like go into like toxic and stuff You know after the first album

And then you get toxic you're like damn some more And then Brittany bitch like all that stuff like just kept going up No and she yeah she's got more hits in her too She has more hits in her too Story is still being written yeah And kissed Madonna And kiss Madonna And maybe somebody else who will come up

That's right Kevin Federline can I pick Kevin Federer Federaline is in, I know we had some pretty strict round rules I know you said only women You can take federal line I'll make one exception The denim outfits with the Justin Timberlake era You know that whole thing

That meme of her face The look on her face When he's beatboxing and she's Oh my God Incredible He's going chica chica timberlake They call me Justin And she looked exactly like she should have

Yeah dude She nailed the base That's post breakup That was post breakup right That was like Thank God. But I actually think Timber, like, it's one of the very, very few male pop princesses. I think that's right.

I think so. I don't think a lot of people would go to him immediately, but I think he's one of the few. Yeah. Especially he has flop eras in a major way, too. Flop eras. He's always reinventing himself. His music is pure pop. That Man of the Woods thing did not work for him.

Boy, he tried that robot video with Man of the Woods. You're like, oh, easy, buddy. A step back. Which is crazy because that's a step back. closest to where he grew. He's like from Tennessee. That's what he was trying to do. Anyway, talking about Brittany. Fantastic. Absolutely brought back.

Or did she invent the schoolgirl thing? Or did she bring back from somewhere? Do you think she invented that? Well. I didn't know about it before that. I didn't know about it before that either. I was in school, probably, no offense. But apparently they had the costume all ready for her.

She's the one that made it sexy. She's the one that unbuttoned it and tied it. It was all done up before. She did that herself. Wow. Let me think, though. Because, like, so we're, so like. I remember that video.

Fresh Prince, they were in private school, but they weren't like making the school girl outfit. The actual. Ashley did it when I got sexy. The thing is, because private school, private school uniforms just do look like that. And obviously, everybody, like goes through puberty when you're in high school. And so everyone's, like, always sexualized the uniform. And so it's hard to say who was like, oh, let's do it on purpose sexy. I'm sure porn did it first.

I'm sure there's VHS as a schoolgirl. I know baby one more time just like threw it in a 14-year-old boy's face. Yes. She put it into the like mainstream, I think, is fair to say. I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People started dressing like that after that. There was a lot of Halloween costumes.

It wasn't because of VHS porn. And keep in mind, the public at that time was under the impression she was a virgin too. And so she was kind of able to do that because she was putting forward this virgin Christian image. It was, you watch that video now and you're like, this is fucked. Yeah. Just like, like, that's what they're selling. Yeah.

Is it like, I'm 15. Of course. Yeah. That was also, I guess it was like. I was 10. So I was, yeah, I was like 12. It felt like at the time. I think I want to say 98, 97.

I want to say like 95. Really? No, right? No, because I'm. skating it? Maybe 96? Was I skating yet? Oh, I was thinking a roller skating.

It was like, I'm trying to, because it was right when I started. 99. 98. Yeah, okay. That feels right. Yeah. Yeah. I was 14.

Yeah, that feels right. I was four. I was 14. Did I say 14? I was four, too. I was 16. That was made for me. 98?

Yeah, I was 11. That's exactly right. Were you listening to this when you were four? I think I probably discovered it later than that. Yeah. I think I did have it on tape. Yeah. I think I did have it on tape.

What's your favorite Britney Spears song? It's so tough to do. Let's go about what's everyone's favorite Madonna song? Yeah. Like a prayer. Like a prayer. Mine's like a prayer. It's so good.

Yeah. But Ray, I mean, damn, that's a hard question. I think it's like a prayer. That song is so, it's epic. Like a prayer is so good. And it builds theatrical. Yeah. Just like a prayer.

I'll take the beer. You know. What's your favorite? You said? Like a prayer. Oh, like a prayer. Oh, like a prayer. Okay.

Okay. Okay. hear me out Brittany yeah peace of me uh which one is that i'm mrs oh my god and i'm brittly james you want a piece of me i like uh crazy from the um yeah from the adrian greney movie you drive me crazy i like i like that song a lot that's a great one that's a great paul from you drive me crazy adrian grignet and alley larder and uh melissa joan heart yeah she works like a diner in it

uh no recently like last year watched all of entourage yeah Adrian Greenier is the main... Oh, you talk about. So I recently watched all of Onchage. And I like, my mind is like, I mean, talk about like looking past stuff to like, I was like immediately after finishing every, I know how many seasons are there? A million. Like I watched all of them. And then I did some podcast and I was just talking about how like R.E. Gold can do no wrong.

Yeah, blah, blah. And, you know. If you correct the dialogue in that show, it is not they, it is not a problematic show. It's not problematic. It's dialogue. But it is a very of the time. He's a scumb bag. I didn't clutch my pearls a single time.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's everyone's beef with it is the verbiage. But it's... Jeremy Piven has a joke about it. Does he? When he's... Headlining clubs that we'd like to be in?

I've had a few times I've been here and they were like Piven was here last week. Yeah. I still want to see him do stand-upike. He went to our most popular vegan restaurant. The one in Lincoln or whatever fucking city. Toxic is mine. I know it's kind of a boring. No, toxic is fantastic.

It's so good. Oops I did it again. I also like a lot, too. Yeah, that might be my video too. Oh, well, I mean, it was, yeah, the videos also are such a huge part of her impact. That outfit and oops I did it again? Yeah. Again, right?

I was that age. Yeah. It was a lot. I think everybody was that age. Also, she makes everybody that age. Yeah, that was the selling point. We're all that age. This is one of those things, too.

We weren't. I remember. We saw Brittany at the fifth. I bought like 10 of us tickets to go see you at the fair. You bought 10 tickets? Yeah, with questionable funds. So I'll tell you, this isn't something they can hear. Okay, okay, okay.

I came across. Some money fell off the truck, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to flip that. Oh, I know what scheme you were running. Yeah. You got it. You got a flip it immediately. I love that.

But so we were at the show and she brought a kid from our high school up on the stage to like do whatever the dance with, you know. And all of us were like, if that would have been me, we thought, we had a shot, you know, where we're like, if I'd have been up there, I'd probably would have made her laugh or whatever. I would close it down. Sorry, J.T.

I would have been Mr. Spears. It was the same thing with Jennifer Love Hewitt when Can Hardly Wait came out where we were like, ah, if I met her, I think she'd like me. Because you weren't basically dressed like Seth Greed in the movie or the Shermanator.

Oh, I did look like the Shermanator. But I realized that this is a big part of like when women collectively have a crush on a male celebrity is the thought that like, oh, I could pull. And I think that's why a lot of people like these, like, kind of medium, ugly actor guys. The rat boy thing. They think they're the only one that finds him attractive.

But actually, everybody does. But the hook is like, oh, I feel like he would like me too. I'm the one who likes Josh O'Connor. Like that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There is also something, like, there are people who are so hot. This is not an original thought by any means, but who are so beautiful.

You're like, yes, I see it. It's great. It's like, it goes beyond. I don't know that you have genitals. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, you're like, you're so good looking.

But that's the problem now with, like, all of the A-listers now is that because everything can be perfected, it doesn't have, like, the same texture anymore. So everybody is perfect-looking, but nobody's, like, stars used to be very sexual. Yes. And it was their imperfections. Like, even gorgeous, like, Robert Redford, there was enough wrong there that you're like, you fucking, you're sexy. You got to sort of look like somebody I could see in my life. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, because otherwise it feels too separate. Yeah, you got like you work with. with my mom or something. Yeah, absolutely. The Marissa Tomey effect. Yes. Yeah. Mariah Carey is my first pick.

Yeah, of course. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. I don't know this about you. Oh, yeah. I exist in the world. You know what I mean?

Oh, wow. Dude, dream lover. Lottery inventions. Even emotions to dream lover to, what was that next album? Music box. After she broke up with Tommy Mottoll. Yeah, like just like so different. like the music.

Also, who can hit that note? Nobody. Well, I know of, of course. This is why, okay, so maybe this is time for my education. Because I think Mariah Carey, I think two things, Christmas. Yes. M&M. Oh.

See, I didn't even know about that M&M. That's like a year ago. Yeah, that's not even. Not even on the radar. I don't even, that doesn't even cross my mind when I think of me either. But obviously the note and everything. But I'm like. So you've never listened to like dream lover and fantasy and always be my baby?

I always be my baby, yes. Dream lover and fantasy. That shit was like, it was at the time, it was like, that was like about as young as I ever was where songs were ubiquitous. Yeah. Like, it was everywhere. And then she's got Hero with Boys to Men, which is fantastic. I'm more of a One Sweet Day guy, but yeah. Or One Sweet Day, that's what I meant.

Sorry. Yeah, One Sweet Day. When a Hero comes along, it's still a pretty good song. One Sweet Day, you didn't even know pop stars could collab. But when a hero comes along, it's a little slow. Isn't it? So is one sweet day though. Yeah, she's got ballads.

But if you want the pop music, you get like emotions and then again, I keep saying it, but like dream lover, fantasy. Yeah. And then you get into like Honey. What was the other one? She had, was that the one with Jay-Z was Honey? No, honey was with the locks. That was also the thing because she is mulatto.

She does like hip-hop. She would work with hardcore rap ads. That's why she worked with old dirty bastard. Old Dirty Bastard. Then it didn't even make any fucking. For him to be on that song, Me and Mariah. He's in the fantasy video.

O'DB and Mariah Carey. And just the two of them? And it's great. And it's amazing. Oh my God. And it was her idea. Yeah, it had to have been. What's the video in their little rainbow t-shirt on the roller coaster?

Honey? Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker. That's with Jay-Z. No. Oh, Sophie. Oh, yeah.

It's so good. I'm like jealous. I want to go have some drinks after this. and play a bunch of Mariah gay, yeah. She was, she, yeah, and, like, reinventing every time. Yeah.

Like, very different vibes when she would come. Because emotions, she's like 18, right? Yeah. Like, it was on tape. My mom had that tape. And was, like, married to Tommy Motola, the record executive. So also, like, a great pop princess, like, story

where it was, like, under the, you know, under the thumb of this, like, older man sort of executive type. You need it. You need it. And then broke out from underneath that and, like, yeah. So, like, and then just, like, A lot of R&B in there, but like so much amazing pop. Okay.

Yeah. Butterfly, David. That was that other album. That was the album, yeah. But, um, and that, like you said, all I want for Christmas, that, I thought that was a It's crazy to me that she also did that. Well, you're like, damn, also that, because she wrote that song. Yeah.

It's $8 million a year for that. Yeah, she wrote that song. The only, or not the only, there are some others, but like by far the biggest modern Christmas songs, what, since the 60s, 50s? Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. She invented Christmas.

Yeah, she did. She invented, like, definitely pop taking over Christmas, which is a perfect parent. What a collab. Yeah. Two other people who might come up have, like, added some songs to that canon. But she was the first one in that modern pop. Man. And then Phil Spector, like in the 60s.

That was like the last time. Yeah. And he's a murderer. Yeah. Allegedly? And Thirl Ravenscroft. And Thirl Ravenscroft. Is he Regina Spector's father?

No. No. No. No, it's a much darker story. Regina Spector's parents are from the Soviet Union. I am. Yeah. I've seen her live twice.

Not a pop princess, but she's amazing. So good. Love her. Her that first couple album. Her voice is insane. She was also like in the mix in like Indies, New York. Like the strokes and everything's seen. Yeah.

She was at the heart of it. Yeah, she was at the heart of it. She's so cool. Her stories are so cool. Sean Jordan. Time for your first and second picks. Oh. I'm the, oh, I get, I was worried.

Okay, well, so I'm going to go Christina Aguilera. Okay. Great pick. Yeah. You know, to me, laying the groundwork. Big pipes from that little girl. The hoard of Brittany's Madonna as they were portrayed in like the, like, in pop culture. Totally.

Her dirty first. Yeah. Her dirty era was, she looked so wet. I remember. She was wet. She was so, everything wet. She had like dreadlocks and you're like, those are. just dirty. That's just dirty hair. So I have

something horrible to admit that I did get the like vacation braids. Yeah. I'm about 20 years clean of vacation braids and so I was going for Christina Aguilera and so everybody looks at the pictures now. My grandma has a picture on the fridge and everyone

goes so what the fuck? What is this? I was like I was doing Christina Aguilera doing cultural appropriation. It was like I was copying. You were copying a white person. You're just rubbing Vaseline all over your skin? Like, I got to school, I'm late. Oh, my God.

To be slippery-looking is everything. She looked like one of the kids in water world. She also, like, grew up in proximity to Brittany, right? Like, wasn't she also... It was the two of them? She was also on Mickey Mouse. Was it Star Search or Mickey Mouse Club? I think she was on Star Search too, though, right?

She was on Mickey Mouse Club for sure. Because Ryan Gosling also was on Starry and her and the three of them. You get the feeling that she was like, it was like she was next to her, throughout all of it, which is a really interesting dynamic. Yeah, because they're breathing down each other's neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you think Britney's so singular, but then you're like, no, because Christina, every time

Britney takes 30 seconds off, Christina, boom, and better singer. That's what I'm saying. She is a better singer. And so that was... Lady Marmalade. She went crazy. Oh, my God. That song is so good. That's all good. What a girl wants? It's such a fantastic song. What was the hit? Gene Inabottle was the first song.

That makes me think Thunder Road. They would play it. We'd play it. play mini golfing, or we'd go minigolfing and go-karts, like Friday nights back in South Dakota. Sunday Road is a golf cart, like sort of like a batting cages and they'd have Jeannie in the bottle plane. We're like, fuck, this is the life. You got to run me the right way? Yeah. No, that's

what it was. It is our hormones racing at the speed of light. She was rolling around on the beach in the video. And it's just you can dance to it. Yeah. Can I tell you the cast when, so Christine Aguilar wasn't on the first season of the All New Mickey Mouse Club because she was too young. Right. She made it for the second season. J.C., Justin

Gossling, Brittany, Christina. Carrie Russell. What? What? Carrie Russell was on it. You're kidding me. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, they really, and they all made it. Yeah. That's the crazy part. Disney doesn't, it's like, Disney doesn't really miss, though. Can you imagine being the person on there who didn't?

Yeah, they don't miss. I don't need to know how the sausage is made, but thank you. Thank you, for sure. Thank you, Disney. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, like if you're saying there's one person who didn't. There's got to be like two or three who were just like didn't pan out.

That's like a fun. That's like a fun. Nobody ran a pilot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's yours. That's one of these new $4 million movies, Ian. That could, yeah, might be one of these that, maybe 10, maybe 10. 10, maybe 10.

We shoot in Orlando. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We shoot Prague for Orlando. This is where. This is where it gets tough. Oh, he was good, though. It was just too inside, babe. Hold on why.

I was too focused because it's getting tough for me now because I don't have, I got eight more to go. And there's. How many are we doing each? Five each. There's so many. that I want though, and you guys are gonna take them. I know you are. I know it's so stressful.

You're muttering to yourself. Yeah, you're not even talking to us. I feel like you just handed someone to slip that says I have a bomb. Can we smoke cigarettes? I'm so stressed out. Yeah, let's light up in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't smoke, but I'll have to borrow one.

We're going to have candy cigarette. All right. All right. Second. Yeah. Wow. Second. I mean, of the modern, of the modern pop princesses, she's the number one.

I like her songs. I like her a lot. I like the songs that are just about dudes being idiots. Songs are great. When did you get hot? Like, it's kind of shallow, you know, and it's great. She's so funny. She's deeper than people think also. And she's like, she's great in interviews.

She's like, I forget if she's actually a Disney kid. I know she was on shows. But she is so well-rounded. She acts, great dancer, great style. Carries herself like a star. She seems like cool. She seems like pretty grounded. Yeah.

Yeah. Those first like three songs, too, they're all different. And that's what I was like when I found out that the same person sang all to like me espresso Oh yeah That don't embarrass me the way she says motherfucker is Maybe the best please please please don't embarrass me Motherfucker it's great Yeah, and they just sound so different and yeah, I just I love the music and one thing that's a little bit fun is everybody was saying like oh

She sounds like a little bit country like when she says Motherfucker specifically and it turns out it's a Pennsylvania accent Oh Oh, yes. Give me a hoagie mother-gher. Yeah. And she made it cutie. Yeah. She made a cutie.

It's just, it is a crazy accent's wrong. It's insane. It's the roughest one we got, I think. Bed cam, bed cam's a fun fun. Oh, bed cam is so good. There's a song on the record before that called Nonsense that I really like. It's a really good song. From emails I can't tend.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's also been around for a while. Yes. I, I, I. Well, she. Love a persistent princess. She's the blonde girl that the other person that might come up is talking about in that song they wrote about getting broken up with.

I think so. Yeah. Far as I know. Oh, about something you recently did. Got a where now you can drive a car. You got your driver's life. I don't have mine. This is the same face.

I don't have mine. Really? I didn't for 17 years. I just got one. They'll just give it to you. They won't even check in if you still know how to drive. I don't want one. You're not going to.

I'm doing weaponized incompetence I have to drive You gotta pick me up That's why we don't vote Hey I get where I need to be I was here Yeah, I get where I need to be Ride chair maxon

Nobody worry about me Yeah, Sabrina car I do need to ride home Yeah we got Everybody going to West Hollywood Again with Oh yeah Yeah, David's car

Again with the pipes though This is how I do it It's good It was good She's got pipes Her stage show is so good And funny too She's great on stage

She's a performer She's such a good on SNL. But also restrained. Yeah. It's also not too much. It's not too big. Yeah.

Sabrina Carpenter. Even that last album people said was like kind of a flop album. A little bit boring. It was a little bit boring. But it still had like, it still felt like an event and the videos were funny and good.

And like she still. Her videos are fantastic. She still got a lot out of it. Yeah. She's got it. She's got it. She just needs a film. Don't want you to pick popular ones

for the next step. It's coming. I'll sit out all the popular ones. Okay. I'm going to take someone who has sort of like left pop princessdom to work on other stuff, but I think we'll come back soon. And at her peak, which was a few years ago, was big. I'm taking Ariana Grande. Yeah. A great one. Yeah. I would have taken her not this round, but the good, great, great pick. She's really, she's,

I, I, she's also really funny. She's really funny. She's really funny and great story. Yeah. Great story. Great. She was a little Broadway kid, right? Think about in stand-up, who is like the biggest, like, the new generation to blow up, Shane Gillis. Yeah. Fair enough to say. right? Absolutely. And I think a huge part of it is like a public story. Is the like getting hired on SNL, which everybody, even if you're outside of comedy knows is like, everyone's parents is like, get on SNL, you get on SNL, gets on SNL,

gets fired for something that like, sure. Shonda's all the time. Got fired for something Shonda's all the time. It does it to me. Plas got to hang out so much so I can practice. But it was very much at a time where like the culture wars in America were at its peak. And so it's so easy to like for all of those people to get behind him. Yeah.

And then puts out a great hour of stand up on YouTube, feels grassroots, feels gorilla. I'm comparing Schengelis to Ariana Grande, which is like not a fair comparison, but. Until Wicked Three drugs. She didn't think so. It's coming out on YouTube. Yeah. What was her, what was her, uh, SNL? Like the thing that didn't.

Well, it's heard many public traumas that she went through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So her SNL is her breaking up with Mac Miller. Breaking up with Mac Miller and then him dying is her SNL because everybody was mad at her. And like, so many people were mad at her. Like, oh, you left him at the darkest time of his life. And it's like she's young. She doesn't have to date an addict.

No, nobody has to date an addict. No, it's nobody's fault. And then she had the terrorist attack at her concert. That's right. Yeah, in England. Yeah, she's had so many like horrible public trauma and then keep putting out music. And then ruins whatever that guy's face marriage is. The uncle-unpa guy.

SpongeBob. Yeah, SpongeBob. And then everybody. Ethan Slater. Ethan Slater. That's right. So she gets so much hate for ruining this marriage. He's the one that was married.

She was single. So it's his fault. Yeah. And then she puts out such a fucking banger that song where it's like, like we're waiting. waiting for you to love me again. Everyone at first thinks it's a love song. It's her talking to her fans. Yeah.

We can't be for, is that? What a story. She's like, she's one of the best public, she's so good at responding to public stuff with her art. She's so great. I really can't, she's someone who I'm like,

she's going to be around a long time and I'm excited to see. With Wicked, she already showed us like, oh, she's going to be in that Fokker's movie, I think. Meet the Parents.

Meet the parents. Looks pretty funny. The only question I have about that one is, is like, can she play a normal woman? I know, that's going to be interesting. Because she can play a bubblegum, like literally a princess. She can play Linda. Yeah. What's funny is watching her on the S&L sketch, what was the first one with Marcella Hernandez, where the character was born?

Yeah, and she's singing, isn't it to an espresso? Yeah, where she had to be a bad singer, though, and you see how hard it is for her to be a bad singer. Have you seen her do impressions on, like, late night shows when she does, like, Celine Dion or whatever? It's nuts. Oh, my God. She could be on Esenel. She could be an S&L cast member easily. She's one of the best celebrities host on SNL.

She's so good at it. And gave us a new Christmas song. Yeah. Yes. She's one of the few. That's one of the two. Yeah. It's so good.

Santa tell me. Where are we going to get a Hanukkah song? We have them. We just don't share them as much of the community. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say, are you Jewish? I don't know you were Jewish.

All right. How come you were poor growing up? I know. There's one is a few. There's not many of us. Yeah, maybe we ought to take a lot. Let them work it out on their own. You guys got to hash it out.

All my goal is chocolate. Guilty pleasures, absolutely. No, that's amazing. Of course you're so funny. Why? Of course you're, yeah. I'm getting a nose job in June. That's what I really should plug.

That's why I don't have as many suburb dates. That's you guys is much. Yeah, yeah. June, yeah. We had June 10th already. And then you took it. I don't think this is where these lines should be drawn. That's not.

Oh, fantastic. A blonde Jew? Yeah. My wife's... That's what German. We're German Jews. German Jews. So even fewer German Jews than there are poor broke Jews.

That's right. My sister's, or my wife's sister, is married to a blonde Jew. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff, do you know? We walk among you. You buy dinner once a month? Oh, Jeff, yeah.

Yeah, you know, Jeff. Yeah. How exciting. That, uh, you being poor joke. Now, that was, that was funny and not mean, right? That was excellent. And this is not the first time. People have laughed hysterically after putting that together.

Usually Jewish people or? Usually black people, honestly. I didn't not chuckle. Yeah. No, my friend Dino Archie, he was one of the first people. Oh, you're Canadian. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, it was like one of my first. Dino was the first comic to ever take me on the road. Okay. Opening for him. I love Dina. Dino's a big influence on me comedically. But one time we were drinking together and he realized I'm broke to and he fell off his stool laughing. These jokes do not reflect the opinion of Fox Networks.

Oh, we're the people. We're buying a car. So if you're time for your second pick. Beyonce Noles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was probably offensive. For the first one, it was hard. It was hard. Between Brittany and Beyonce, it's really like the only difference really is that Britney grew up poor.

That's like that was the only edge because Beyonce's impact on me was so significant. And I was a fan of Destiny's Child, which obviously we're not doing groups, but like I love Destiny's Child. They were fantastic. But I love the story of her breaking away too. That's fun. Yeah, I love the story of her breaking away. And also they had a tumultuous relationship, their group. Not that she wasn't always the one.

I mean, it could not have been here. Beyonce's trial. It was pretty apparent. Kelly Roland was second, but there was some distance. Kelly Rowland is amazing. Yeah? Yeah. But to me, Beyonce is so singular.

She is the best dancer. She is an incredible singer. She's a great actress. She makes good movies. Yeah. Austin Powers. Austin Powers. Dream Girls.

Dream Girls. Catalac Records, even. Oh, yeah. That was good. Yeah. Yeah. I just, Beyonce is huge for me. And talk about reinventing yourself.

Like lemonade was huge. She's an art. Like the next Madonna more. It kind of feels like in the way that like Madonna became prestigious. Yeah. Yeah. Just completely goes above. Yeah.

You can't even compare her to anybody. She's also sustained it. Yeah. She's been like this level. It's hard. Since like, fuck. When did she go? Early 2000.

Yeah. It's like 20 strong years. And also a story. Very publicly, Becky with the good hair. Like this whole. that whole thing. Yeah, responding with your art

I think is so powerful. And she also has it because we kind of love a, you know, weird relationship situation. Jay Z, first of all, absolutely did groom her. Like, she was 16 when they met

and he plucked her out of nowhere and then waited until he was 18 publicly. Like, no, they were together. Jay Z rules. And so, no, I love Jaycee too. I obviously love Jay Z too, but I love Beyonce so much more

than I love Jay Z. Yeah. That I am like... Well, there's a depth of... Her music catalog is sort of much deeper than his. Yeah, so much range, too. She can do every genre, but is still a pop princess. Right?

She's done like a house album and a country album. There's nothing she can do. Like, what, like four years? Yeah. She's, and I don't know anything about her. You don't? No, as famous as she is, I feel like I know very little about her. Yeah, she's good at staying quite private.

Yeah. Like, what do you hear? You hear, she drinks too much wine. People say she might be older than she is. I like that. Yeah. I remember reading. that when she was like, especially

when they first came out, everybody was like, that girl's not 17? I was like, why is my dick so hard? This can't be. Because I was 14. She can't be 17. I'm outside her house right now. That would be so inappropriate. I wouldn't be outside of 17 year old. If I's

always best, Stella, is one of the best stand-up jokes of all time where it's like, because her and her friends used to be in high school, they would sneak into college parties. And she's like, the only time men believe women is when we're lying about being 18. Oh, man, that's good. Yeah, we suck. Sorry.

No hate to men. You're right. Don't apologize. I'm a men apologist. You know, we love men. We celebrate. What's up? Men is my third pop princess.

Let me get my hat. We're all collectively going to make one pick on it's men. Thank you so much. Beyonce, I remember reading an early interview or an article someone was doing on her where she is like, was early on on if you're interviewing Beyonce. She's also taping that interview. And she's got, like, she's got video. She did the Manosphere thing. She did.

I'm also talking to me. I'm talking to you. So, like, she couldn't be taken out of context. That's got to be her mom. That's got to be her mom's doing. Original momager. Original momager. And two for two.

Salonge. I mean, Solange so good. Seriously. Yeah, yeah. John's in the Solange phase right now. Yeah. Solange is so fucking good. Seriously.

And that would be tough. Because it's not like your sister is. just a famous, it's Beyonce. But she did that kind of cool thing where she's like, all right, I obviously can't go blow for blow on the huge pop princess scale. So it went kind of like indie. She's like, I'm going to be the coolest girl in the world

instead. Yeah, and she did it. Yeah. And she beat up Jay Z in the elevator? She tried. And one of the best narratives about the elevator video that I've heard is that, you know, she had just found out that Jay Z had cheated on Beyonce and beat him up while she was actively cheating on her husband. That's the word on the street.

I don't know if that's true. That's pretty funny. That's icy. Don't look over here. Don't look over here. Get what you cancel. I'll put you in the fucking face. How about that?

And also because she is so private, because Beyonce is so private, when we get a nugget like that, like the elevator video, it's so euphoric. Yeah. I've been in that elevator. What? It's the standard hotel in New York on the high line. You can take it. It's a weird little elevator.

They play like eerie music while. growing up. Is that when you were in that room that was all glass? Yeah. That scared the shit out of me. Oh, no, that was a different hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was in the Lower East Side. Yeah, it was. The Ludlow. Um, Beyonce. Also a good hotel. David, time for your second and your third picks. Life cut short. Anything for Zelina's. Oh. Selena? Just Selena. Just Selena. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crossover. Great story. Whole family. Her dad put it all on the line for. tragically killed.

It's just like ran away and got married. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really worked hard to cross over. Like, yeah, really fun. But like Hispanic people didn't like her for a little bit. You couldn't speak Spanish. Is that right?

Oh, because she was like from Texas, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a great story, cut down sad. Great movie. Great film. I, I, outside of bitty, bong bum, don't know anything about Selena.

I'm dreaming of you tonight I can fall in love I'll be holding you tight You don't remember that song? I don't. Big radio hit That was like her big crossover I don't know

Great, great great great great When was she did Was she killed by a fan? Her man and, or not her. The president of her fan club Yeah yeah yeah I thought it was a plane crash Mm-mm

No What am I thinking of? You're thinking of another one that we could say Big Barber Oh yeah You're thinking of where Jay Z went before Beyonce Yeah Jay Z did

Yeah There's a Completely side note A lot of people say That's what broke up Rockefeller records That's a whole other thing Really now

Yeah Because Dame Dash also dated that person Oh interesting What? Selina Yeah all right Yolanda Saldivar My blood pressure is going up over here

I didn't know any of that Oh yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah Yeah Selena and just so I'm glad It was the I could fall in love

That was her too right Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I could fall in love. What do you think of my voice? I can fall in. Beautiful.

Welcome back, Selena is what I think. A lot of great, there's a great documentary about her on Netflix right now worth watching. I think I may have seen a documentary way back in the day. Maybe on video. You might have seen the movie because the movie I feel like didn't come out that long after she passed. You never seen J-Lo? No. I think J-Lo's best movie.

Maybe I'll have to do a little. Are you making J-Lo? No, no, no. I'm just saying J-Lo playing Salina. Oh, totally. J-Lo's best movie. Why, you didn't like Made in Manhattan? You didn't like The Boy Next Door?

You didn't like Monster in Law? You didn't like enough? Look at us. I didn't think that was going to happen today. Hustlers is good. Hustlers was good. Hustlers was good. I actually have now realizing I love J-Lo as an actor.

Yeah, she's fun. I did like the boy next door. Yeah. She's great on camera. I didn't like Maine Manhattan. It's just her voice. She might be a better actor. I think so.

Oh, yeah. No, she's not a good singer. Yeah. That's not like a crazy thing. No, people know that she also, like, that she has like a ghost singer on some of her. That's spooky. She's never sang.

Chilo's never sang a song where I was like, damn, she hit that. No, no, no. Like, ever, ever. She can dance. Yeah. Oh, boy, she could dance and she can act. And she can do it with the rapper, though.

Yeah, I was going to say that John Mora's song with Jaila was pretty all right. And she can fuck the shit out of Ben Affleck. Yeah, she can. These two, those two. Those drags he's taking a cigarette. They can't get enough of each other. What? What a drama couple.

Oh, no. And it's honestly fun to have a drama couple in your life. Yeah. It's just so back and forth. And to have a public drama couple is like, what a treat for a long. You can tell they're addicted to each other. Oh, they can't quit each other. They can't fucking quit.

The sex must be insane. Oh, yeah. Because everyone, you know their friend, you know fucking Matt Damon is begging him to break free. Yeah. Matt Damon with his eye surgery. Ben, please. Ben, please. Please, Ben.

They're at a Dunkin' Donuts. I'm Matt Damon. I am Matt Damon. Okay, Shane Gillette. And now I wait. Yeah, Selena, great pick. Yeah. And your third pick.

Oh, okay. So I was thinking about pop princesses, and I like it when they have a rival in a time. And I picked this one because she was in a rivalry with somebody else at the time, and they, like, got together and did a verses and, like, got over it. But this one always seems so much more I think they're the same age

but she seems so much more juvenile than the other one. I'm taking Brandy. Oh, yeah. Brandy felt like a girl. Monica was a woman. Yeah. At least to me, Monica's songs, like just one of them days

when I got to be all, like, Brandy's songs were like, sitting up in my room. I'm in my room. Yeah, yeah, I'm in my room. I'm dancing. I'm thinking about you. Or like, I want to be down.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Monica just had it up. to hear. Monica was a woman. Monica held down Masterpiece Brother Wall in prison. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, she, like, yeah, Monica was a woman.

Brandy felt very juvenile. She did the thing where she had like a television show that was like similar to a movie because she was mean on Moisha. Have you guys watched Moisa? Brandy is such a bitch on that show. There's like, like her best friend is fat and there's like an episode where she just calls her fat all the time and Kim's like, no.

her dad gets her a car for her 16th birthday and she says no I'm going to do my own thing because he doesn't get her a Jeep he gets her a Saturn because he works at a Saturn dealership just real jerk Moisha's a real jerk but Brandy yeah she hit all the things had a talented little brother who got on a little later

like she's still kind of out there right now what's going on with Brandy these days I don't think she's like making music like that they did a versus because I guess they really did hate each other her and Monica you think it came from like a man Do you think it was manufactured meat? But like, Brandy seems like a bitch, kind of.

Monica seems awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Went to prom with Kobe, so maybe she got that mama mentality really. I think she's just a super L.A. person. Yeah. The Norwood family, because I think they're like vaguely related to Snoop Dog. Oh, interesting.

Like distantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's from Carson. Yeah, she's, yeah, they're L.A. By way of Mississippi, I think, the Norwoods. Yeah. Just saw her brother at the comedy store the other day. You know a lot about Brandy's family.

Not sick. You saw Ray J? Yeah. Like, I didn't tell you about that. Doing stand-up? No. No. It's like, you know, they're doing that TMZ tour thing. And then, like, whatever.

That's not the point. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And embarrassing little brother a little bit. Yeah. Like, where, like, little brother's always going nuts. And she's, like, very put together.

Like, always a very good image. And yeah, I like the music. Like, I like, oh, I want to be down and something. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Brandy. And the boy is mine.

They did a song together when they ate each other. That's cool. Such a good song, by the way. That's a fucker. rules. Wait, Ariana also has a song called The Boy is Mine. Is it just a re? Well, so does Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. Okay. Yeah. It goes bad. Or the girl is mine. The girl is mine. Which everybody believed that Michael Jackson on that song. That was Paul's girl. If you listen to that song, it's just Michael Lyne. After loving me, she said she never love another.

You're like, okay. I actually find gay men to be quite possessive sometimes. That's right. I actually I think it's from a true place. Yeah. Sophie, time for your third pick. Rihanna. Yeah. God,

you've got some heavy hitters. Come on. Really do. I know. I can't believe I have this lineup right now. God bless Dariana Grande. I can't believe I took her before Beyonce and Rihanna. I couldn't believe in her,

Rihanna. I mean, she's also like the value that I put on someone being cool is like kind of unreasonable. She's maybe cooler than anybody, though. That's ever lived. entertainment who's cooler than Rion. Nobody's cooler. Like, I'm a jet ski smoking, like,

getting kicked off of Instagram for being naked all the time. She also inspired me, she also inspired me to steal full glasses of wine from restaurants. Yeah. There's so many paparazzi pictures of her leaving a restaurant kind of quickly holding a glass of wine. She might not have paid. No, but who cares?

Who cares? It's cool as fuck. She blessed the restaurant with her presents. It's provocative, and that's all that matter. Exactly right. Yeah. She's the only pop star who sells stuff. I want.

buy her underwear. Yeah. Savage Fenty men, I wanted. I mean, her makeup, she invented, like, creating, like, a pop star going into the, like, like, like, Fenty is one of the biggest makeup. Like, so many of my day-to-day products are Fenty. It's not like a, like a perfume, money grab. This is, like, really good product.

Yeah. And, like, like, completely modernized shades, too. Like, like, she came out with, like, I think it's 72 shades or something. thing, which is like unheard of. And now every brand does it. And it's because of her. It's because of her specifically. She's that impactful.

I didn't know that. Yeah. And she's the coolest. She's like got her feet up now too. She does. She's kind of like, people are like, when's the new album? She's like, well, I also heard a rumor.

I heard a Hollywood rumor, which is like, take this to the grain of salt because I'm not well connected. But apparently there's two albums she's already recorded that she's got in the can and she just chooses not to give them to us. But also, I don't know anything. I wouldn't know anything. That's so cool. But she's just so fucking cool.

She's so fucking cool She's got all these kids now Yeah She's like She's like She's like She's like One of the coolest guys

And then she also So handsome Dress is so cool Great music And flawless skin But also makes him Look kind of like a needy Like husband

Arm candy Yeah What she say recently Like he better Not cheat Like he'll be fucked Yeah She's like

Not from America Yeah Not from America There's like 10 people From Barbadius Barbados. Barbados.

There's like 10 people from Barbados. Okay, Dune. Yeah. Barbados. No, no, she's so amazing. And also a great story. Like, I fucking hate Chris Rock because of how he treated her. Chris Brown.

Chris Brown. Oh, my God. Chris Brown. Maybe Chris Rock would. Chris Rock loves that he's in that rumor. He's like, now people think maybe I miscreated reality. That's so funny. Let's get that going.

Also, like, didn't pop immediately. Yeah. Like, watch, because I remember when Ponder replay came out and not caring at all. No. Oh, I loved it. I see, I didn't like it. It was a good song. But it was like a, it was like a.

Nothing made you feel like this was gonna like. Well, it wasn't authentically her. Like, like, especially in the music video, she's dressed like kind of skater. She's got this long hair. She's got the baggy jeans. She's got the big shoes. It's not her. I think they were just like, she's got to be Barbados.

Yeah, they were like, you're from Barbadios. I'm pushing it. Barbadios. You're owning it. You're owning it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But then by the time Umbrella came out you were like, oh my God. I actually didn't fuck with Umbrella that way. Really? I remember. You were the only one. Umbrella blew the door.

No, I know everybody loved umbrella. For some reason, I was like annoyed by the music video or something. Like, I really don't know what my problem was. I love the umbrella with Chris Brown. Yeah. Oh, I don't do the J.C. You don't remember that?

Maybe girl, you could be my sandorella. It's like both of them singing. You guys have never heard umbrella. No, I didn't know. Never heard it. Oh, man. You got to listen to the duet umbrella. But it's like...

But shut up and drive. Yeah. Shut up and drive. I mean, that's when I was, yeah. The number of hits cheaper. They're all great. As someone constantly begging for rides, it's my anthem. But yeah, she's so cool.

Great dancer. Cool. Unprofessional. Shows up late to stuff. I love it. Smokes weed. Smokes weed. Ella.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, like, definitely is like so problematic. Like, if you got to know her, you'd be like, oh my God. Like, we cannot put her on a podcast. Which I love that you can feel that off from her. We shot a thing with her at a Savage Fenty fashion show on the Late Late Show. What?

And she's like... What? She's cool all the time. She's like off camera. She was so fucking rad and like funny and kind of mean, but in a way that makes you feel like included. Honestly, kind of similar texture to Sabrina Carpenter in interviews, dare I say. Dare I say it. Like a whole lot of like, I don't really give a fuck.

But like in a way that... But she's not Disney. so she's not like polish. Yeah. And then she's Barbadian. She's Barbadian. We're in the third round now. Oh, I have to take another break.

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I felt like this person couldn't go in the first two rounds because their status as a pop princess is a bit murky. Oh. Because I think they are a pop princess, but I think their backstory is not necessarily that of a pop princess. And I also think they contain other elements that may be stronger than their pop princessdom, but I do think they are absolutely a pop princess.

I am taking Taylor Swift. Sure. Was that up for... Yeah, I didn't think that was up for debate at all. I don't think that's questionable. I think you're... I think we were actually pretty cool to go this long without taking her. I wanted to take her first.

Thank you. Okay, so this, I think there's some Swifties listening to this at home that are gnawing on their table right now. Of course. I can't believe nobody's picture. Here's why I think, but I think maybe even the Swifties are like glad we didn't because of folklore, because of like Evermore, because of those albums. I can handle folklore. I love, there's some cuts on there.

Oh, no, I love folklore. I love like her... It doesn't sound like it. What are you talking about? I don't know. I just wanted to get loud. Yeah. Oh, damn.

This is what she brings out in people, though. This is my problem with her. He's a hardcore Swifty. I am a very light Swifty. Oh, he's freaking out. Your wife is a big Swifty though. My wife is a... Massive Swifty.

Massive. Yeah, if you're not... If your wife is a Swifty and you're not drafting her, then you're in trouble. I got to go home to that? Yeah. I can't go home to that? No. She, but she's done like a lot.

My wife thinks I'm at the Y. That's right. Laura thinks I'm still in Portland. John's been in the garage a long time. My boyfriend thinks I'm shopping. You can buy something online while you're here. You don't have to be a lot. She started in country, very pop country, and has since gone into like, well, her last album

was very pop. But like, I don't know, there's something like, I think she's tried to present herself as less, as sort of the alternative to like the Britney. Christina Aguilera. She's trying to do the thing. Sorry, you go. No, please. She's trying to do the thing

that we were talking about earlier where it's like approachable if I met her in real life. She would like me. Like she's trying to monopolize on the like girl next door but four girls. Oh, is that what people feel about?

I'm totally distant from Taylor Swift. So from the outside looking in that's not at all what I thought. That's her angle. Because of course we look at her and we're just like, why is she dressed like that? Her music's not catchy. Yeah, that is just kind of

No, but it is. And this is why, this is the divide. This is the divide between music people. It's like her music's not catchy. She doesn't really dress cool, all this stuff. That's what Swifties like about her. Is they think, oh, I'm just like her. We would be friends.

Her music could be catchier. I do think it's catchy. I think it's very catchy. It could not be catchier. There's a handful of songs. Shake it off is one of the catchiest songs. Of course. There's a hand.

I would say that there's five songs. I mean, on Red alone those five songs. But she's diluted herself. She's diluted herself. Everybody that likes her has, like, praised how much stuff she puts out. But there's five catchy songs. No, I think there's like 20. Catchy?

Catchy. If I, I don't want to go. Help me out here. Help me out here. It sounds like, it sounds like air to me. I don't want to go album by out there. I've had people be like, I've had like, yeah. I don't think there's any music that's even less for me than Taylor Swift.

Or an aesthetic that is less tailored to what I. And people get so mad. But I do. feel the same way about Madonna, but I like the music. But, like, yeah, I got nothing for that. I got nothing for that. To me, I think style is almost a perfect song. And I hated that sex song. Yeah. What, would?

Yeah. People had a tough time. That's alright, though. But yeah, style is, I mean, you get into that's not Rihanna cool, that's for sure. No, she's not trying to be. Nobody's Rihanna cool. That's true. She keeps a 100 on the land of the sea and the sky. She does smoke on a jet ski. I'm thinking about Rihanna still. But you have to take her. It's a pop princess's draft.

I was surprised that you made it sound like that's a weird pig. What kind of thing she doesn't present? I'm with you. I'm with you. Because there was an era where she definitely was. But then there were eras proceeding and proceeding it where it was like, is she a princess really? Yes. Oh, that's what you have.

That's what you take umbrage with. Yeah. Not umbrage. I think that's just like the thing that bears discussion. I mean, she's wearing a sequin leitard. She's on the pop channel. Now she is. She's making pop number one.

Yeah. Very cheerleader move. Cruel summer. That's a fucking hit. Cruel summer's 25. Blank space. Yeah. Yeah.

Lover. 22 is great. Most of 1989 is hits. I knew you were in trouble. Are you guys both looking at Taylor Swift songs? Yes. I'm looking at my list. I'm because I want to.

Now it's getting to, I'm like, I don't know. You guys all have lists. I guess you guys are doing multiple podcasts. Anti-hero? Yeah. Oh, I could do this off the dome, but we were doing multiple in a day. Taylor Swift, Sean, I'm sorry. I took your girl.

No, it's all right. She had to go. I wanted... She had to go. Yeah, I know. That's not so ruthless. If she dies, she dies. She has to go.

I'm going to go. I'm going to make a little pivot here. Well, before I make this pivot, I think I can get my fifth round. I don't think you guys are going to take her. And I'm going to roll the dice. So for this one, before I pivot, I'm going to kind of stay on Main Street. I'm going to go Selena Gomez.

Okay. I love Selena Gomez. I love Bad Liar. These are... Bad Liar's so good. They're like a little... If you can say gritty... That song is great.

They're just... The cycle killer based one? Yeah. ...noticritty or pop songs. Yeah. Not right down Main Street. And that video is hilarious. The Bad Liar video. Yeah.

Or she plays everybody. Mm-hmm. I just, I think, can't keep your hands to myself. Whatever that song is. Can't keep my hands to myself. It's just a little bit off the path. I mean, I don't know. Why would I want to?

That part. Yeah. I like... I don't know. I just like everything about her. Another, like, Grumed Disney star. actor. I know two of her songs, though. That's what I will say. It's those two that we said.

They're so good. I bet you know more. I don't know if I do. People want to say that about me, but I'm dumb. People always say I know more than I do. Yeah, Selena Gomez. I just, I like Selena Gomez. Even if it is just those two songs that pop like right into your head, they're still good enough for me to get her on my list. Yeah. And now I'm going to pivot. I'm going to pivot a little bit. Jeremy did work both times. You're right. I know there's tons out there that we could still pick, but I'm going to say Avrilavine. Oh. Oh, that is Canadian.

Canadian. She did, like, she really came in with Complicated. Yeah. That song was fantastic. That was the first concert I ever went to was Avrilavian. Was it? That's such a Canadian thing to say. Gator boy.

Yeah. So, you know. Did she pop in Canada first or was it kind of like everywhere at the same time? Yeah. I think that she, oh, that's a good question. Because she didn't put out like an album before the first big one. That's what I mean. Yeah.

That's a good question I'm not sure if she I mean when Canada rides hard If there's like if there's a Canadian that pops off In the States like I'm sure she was selling More tickets in Canada than in the States Well and she came back so like she She came out strong

Complicated Skater Boy Hey hey you you That was later Yeah she came back with it like everyone kind of was like Oh that was a flash in the pan or whatever And then she came back and kept killing it And it's still killing it Avril Levine played hockey in a boys league and was the MVP twice.

Yeah, so did I say. That's Canadian pop. That's fucking right there. Yes. You know, they filmed the complicated video at the Eagle Rock Mall. Ice? No. You ever been to the Eagle Rock Mall, the seafood mall?

No. That's where they filmed the, if you ever want to make a little pilgrimage to see Avril's, I don't know, stomping ground. Yeah. Also, I built a TBS sketch there once. They shat down the whole mall. It has a rich history. She got rich. One time I was on a hoverboard.

Oh, cool. How did it feel on there? Do you want to hear something almost, this is just as Canadian as the hockey thing? In 1999, Levine won a radio contest to perform with Shania Twain at the choral center in Ottawa. Coral Center. Coral Center, my bad. It's spelled C-O-R-E-L. We'll just say that.

Coral Center. Coral Center in Ottawa before an audience of 20,000 people. And they sang the Twain song, What Made You Say That? So she, her big break was winning a radio contest to perform with Shania Twain. That is great. I saw Shania Twain recently. She did like a Canada tour. How was that?

How was it? My God, she's hot. What if the hottest women I've ever seen in my life? She was always the hottest woman in the world. And then now she's got huge tits. Because she had kids or something. Yeah. Yeah, that's why.

What? She's opening for her. Huge tits is pretty cool. It looks natural to me. They look natural to me. Just like to pop up with big naturals on the last quarter. I think to disappear, because she disappeared for quite a while, I think that they're natural, and I will ride or die for that.

Fourth quarter huge tits is cool. She's opening for Harry Styles at his London shows, and I would, like. That's so cool. Everlevin or Shane, dude. Schneidertwin. Yes. Crazy. And randomly, Nelly Furtado also is doing, like, a Canada tour right now.

Yeah. I mean, why those nostalgia tours are just hot right now. I'm thinking about it. I saw one once, and it was all. Awesome. I'm here for you. We're talking about a huge... Nelly Furtado.

Nelly Furtado, huge tits now. Yeah. Love to see it. Didn't she sing even though my breasts are small and humble? That's the different lady. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

If she comes up. Is it like big Canadian news when like Aver Levine is dating? I know we all thought. Is that you're going to talk about tits again? Are these tits consider big in Canada? Is it big in Canada? Yeah.

Would you sit bigger? Yours are metric, right? She was dating. How many milliliters is in my between now? Milliladers is. I hear they come in bags in Canada? Yeah, in Ontario. We're just fill it up with Molson, right?

Yeah. She was dating Derek from some 41 and then married Chad Kroger from... Nickelback. Is that salacious in Canada? Is that just news of the day? No, we treat. That's our royalty, Ava Levine and Chad Kroger. Great.

Are they still together? Yes. And they... Good for them. And I believe. They both have Lyme disease. Bummer. You said it so pleasantly.

Wait, no, they're divorced. Oh, they're divorced. Their disease tore them apart. When you say they both have and it's not VD, it's crazy. They got it from the same kick, though. It's romantic. Well, one thing that really pisses me off is a lot of Canadian celebrities have Lyme disease, and I find it very embarrassing.

Is it a lot of ticks up there or what? Yes, because there's a lot of tall grass. A lot of tall grass. Oh, is that really why a lot... Justin Bieber has Lyme disease, too. And there's another one. Somebody else has... All of our Canadian celebrities have Lyme disease.

And I'm just like, stay away from the tall grass. It's like people are going to think that's our thing. When it's not our thing. Is there a province? Huge natural. Late in life, huge natural is our thing. Is there a province that most Canadian celebrities are from? Ontario, almost every Canadian is from.

Okay. In general. Then you get your like Vancouver constituent. I'm Vancouver. Yeah. But I am from Ontario. But I claim Vancouver. Oh, real.

When did you move to the West Coast? coast. When I turned 18. When you turned 18. But I still, I like, you know, lived all my 20s in Vancouver. I became a woman in Vancouver. That's right. I went to high school in Ottawa.

And I was born in Montreal. I was born in Montreal. So I don't claim Ontario at all because it was just like a. Very Jewish. Yeah. You know what I'd ever think of? Nobody claims Saskatchewan. Where's all my reginaites at?

My ginites. Regina is the capital of Saskatchewan. Huge pull from you. Let's go. Very, very good. I just ran into Nathaniel Raitlip in an airport. She's for my grandma was from. She's for medicine.

Absolutely. I'm hugely impressed with a geography crew. Winnipeg. Moose Jop. Oh yeah. Shout to rumors. Yeah.

I had a tough weekend there one time. It started on Tuesday. Oh yeah, you had a tough week there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a long week. Calgary. Bamp. Yeah. Oh.

Ooh, yeah, Calvert, the Laf Shop. Yeah, Laf Shop, great club. Great club. I actually love rumors, too. Is it Winnipeg? I did. Winnipeg is rumors. Straight up, if you'd leave Sioux Falls and do not turn once,

the road stops in down town Winnipeg. Yeah. A lot of bugs. Go straight. A lot of very buggy. Yeah. Claro Cain featured for me that weekend.

Oh. There it is. Averolvine. Tartoria. We have reached the limit of our Canadian knowledge. I went to Victoria on a class trip because it from Washington. Time for my fourth pick. I got it.

I kind of, okay, I'm going to take this person not, I find them very funny. Okay. Getting ahead of something here. I think they got some true fucking. bangers. Their first couple albums were so good. Okay. Their persona was so good. The whole show around them was so good. Lately, it's falling off a cliff. In a way that almost makes the earlier stuff

better, I'm taking Katie Perry. Space. Okay, we're kind of staying in Canada zone because she's with Justin Trudeau now. That's right. She's with Justin Trudeau. Oh, that's right. I love this. So I've actually been quietly, loudly, predict. a Katie Perry comeback for about 10 years. Has to happen. For about 10 years. We're overdue for the big one.

We're overdue for Katie Perry to come back. For her to become less cringe, for her to become cool. Her early stuff is so good. It's so good. And she was so special. And then she just really. What happened? She wants it too much.

Was she just so chronically millennial? That's what I feel like. Yeah, she is a victim of being an elder millennial. Yeah. But I think, but I think, that everybody accused her of like bashing women, right? Or not bashing women, not bashing.

Those are two different things. Wasn't there a video like that women got mad at her for putting out because it put women down a little bit? I don't know. No? I think that it was her marriage to Russell Brand. I think her divorced. It didn't help anything. And then subsequent divorce to Russell Brand was her downfall.

That's when it started. Yeah. That's when people started like not liking it. And it's also like how can you be married to Russell Brand? That should have been a red flag for us. You want that to have somebody to know. guy. She's been putting out some pretty bad music.

Yeah. For a while now. Yep. But when she was doing it, she was doing it. Yeah. Yeah. The teenage dream album. I'm having this whole so far to get to the good album.

I kissed a girl and I liked it. That was like the breakout song. Amazing. And everybody liked it too. I remember my friend's dad in high school, like loved. Of course he did. Well, he did. He kissed a girl and he liked it.

That was a song I used to sing like drunk at parties ironically. Uh-huh. Just trying to get some kisses. No, no, just to put it. Not even. I would kiss a girl and I would like it. Just like I liked it, but then I'd be, because I wanted to hear it.

You did it, deaf style. Yeah, yeah. Well, I did everything deaf style back then. That was how I sang all the pop songs. Prism and Teenage Dream. Those two albums. Yeah. Big ones.

Yeah. Katie Perry. Yep, good on you. And we're moving on. We're moving on. Sylvie, time for your fourth pick. And between two. It's interesting as it gets to the end, isn't it? Yes, it is. Like, you really don't want anyone to take one of them.

I got my last pick. But is it your next, you know? Yeah, I got one that I can't believe I didn't. Whatever, that's not the point. It's your pick. Yeah, I'm deeply between two. I'm hoping I'm picking the right one to claim now. Billy Eilish. Okay, great. Yeah. So I love her. I think she's really cool. It's hard to include someone that doesn't have, like, a huge body of work. because I think a big part of being a pop princess

is being kind of a timeless icon that survives past the like trends and stuff. But I think that Billy Elish started like her own style. Yeah, absolutely. The green hair, the baggy clothes. The way guys used to sell weed in eighth grade dress. Yeah. It's like now she knows.

And it also came out as like buy or something like later in her career than you would figure and then you look at the clothes. And you're like, well, she's trying to pull girls with that outfit. She's doing the Adam Sandler thing. For this LA's own. Yeah. From Highland Park. From Highland Park.

Yeah. And I love her relationship with her brother and how they make all this music together. Yeah. I think that she makes catchy songs that are interesting, that are different, that are still pop. Yeah. That bad guy's nuts. It's fucking. Ocean eyes.

Oceanize is so good. Speaking of like behind the scenes, carpool karaoke type stuff, we did one with her where we went to her house and like Highland Park that she grew up in and everything. She is so. York or Fig. Huh? Was it Yorkside or fig side? I don't remember.

York or fake? That's a cool question. Yeah. I'm going to start asking people that. It was more fake than yours. You guys remember, I was in Highland Park before it blew up, baby. That's right. You invented Highland Park.

I was there, I was there two, three years before Blue up here. Pre-Flamingo estates, for sure. Way before Highland Park Bowl. But she's like so goddamn talented. Her voice is so good, and she was so talented. She did like Ocean Eyes when she was like 12. 15 or something? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. But yeah, she's like so nice and cool. Her Jordan collaborations are like very interesting. Nothing I would wear, but it's like nothing I've seen anyone do with Jordans before. Like really unique, really herself, really authentic.

Great in interviews, funny. Yeah. I like her as a person. I like her music. I like her style. I believe she has two Oscars already. From the song she did for Barbie. For Barbie and then one other one?

Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lasting talent too. Like I would bet on her to be someone putting out cool stuff forever. Yeah, Bond. She did one for Bond. Yeah, I was gonna guess that, but I was like, I don't remember what song it was. No time to die. No time to die.

Every Bond song has die in it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Live and let die. Die another day. Skyfall. Skyfall. Die fault.

She doesn't count, right? No, I was thought about that. I mean, I'm open to debate, but I would say that too. I was wondering that too. I don't think so. Princess doesn't feel right. Rolling in the deep is pretty poppy, but that's about it. No, I'm going to wish you.

It's intriguing one. It is intriguing. I think it's pop music. I just don't think she ever... It's 2VH1. Yeah, I don't think she... She's mature. She came out mature.

She came out and you were like, this lady's going through it. I think the lack of dancing might be the difference is that it's more of a lounge app. It's like, you know, I think... Because it's true because I love her so much. And she put out her first album while I was going through my high school breakup.

Oh, that's amazing. like just the deepest cries of my life. Do you remember the first time you heard her talk? No. Have you heard her talk? Way later. I haven't heard her talk. I haven't heard her talk.

Because you've heard these songs under these big, beautiful ballads. And then she's like, you all right. I've got, yeah. I'm fucking. I'm not in it now. You know, a tune. She will always forget British people are white trash. She is the white trashest.

I never forgot. Yeah. She is fucking. We have the same birthday. You were a del? Oh, cute. Nice. Do you feel that you.

And Chris Brown. Do you feel very deeply? Yes. Okay. You do feel very deep. Then I'm going to start believing in astrology then. It sucks when that shit comes right. We're like, I'll read some tourist shit and be like, damn, I do do that.

Wow. Yeah, but they always pick their like, they're like, you believe in fairness. It's like, well, who doesn't really think about that? But while we're doing. Sagittarius. Well, we're doing honorable. I'm Sagittarius. I don't even know which ones coronate besides mine.

I'm selfish. But classic tourists. But I do think all we're. We're doing our honorable mention to Adele. I think live at Albert Hall, live at Royal Albert Music Hall, like her live performance is one of the greatest live tapings of all time. And you can really like feel the feeling in the room. She's amazing.

I was writing on the Grammys one year. And they do a dress rehearsal where there's like 12 people in the room, but all the talent shows up, you know? Oh, cool. And like I was just like sitting, you know, working on like a script on my laptop. And there was the main stage, which was, you know, 50 yards that way. and I didn't know that there was a stage in the middle of the room and so I'm sitting there just like in my computer

and then I hear Adele singing hello from like uh from the other side from the other side that song but from like 10 no that's what I could yeah from the other side of the other side from the other side from like five feet like 10 feet to my left like that close I mean I got teary eyed it's so crazy hearing another human be able to do that

it feels like when somebody's voice connects with you. My next pick has made me cry. Yeah. Well, let's get to it. Winnie Houston. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just like, man. Greatest love of all, right? No. Actually, saving all my love for you, I think is like, I always fuck it up. That's what I mean.

One of the saddest songs I've ever heard in my life. The jazz band in New Orleans to do that, but they didn't have it in their repertoire. I get that. But then we were trying to get it for you. I also didn't want to cry. No. Why, you wouldn't have cried to that. Maybe. Maybe. It gets me, I think about it so much.

And then if you watch a documentary about her whole thing was just like, because of music and the way she was marketed and stuff like that, she felt like she never got to really put who she was and be herself forward. And then like, and then whatever was going on with Robin, her friend. And like a lot of stuff where you're just like, this woman was like just wanted. And you think about like the purpose of doing art to express yourself and put yourself into it. And this woman felt like she never got to really. Famous a prison. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And you just like, and to me, it's probably just like adding on it. But when I listen to it, I feel like I hear that in the music a lot. And then like saving all my love for you is just so. It's just like the commitment to be a, I guess side piece is the word. But like, you hear it in her voice where she's just like, that's fine. I'm not even going to take you from your family. I'll just be this for you because I love you.

so much. Every time we talk about it, it hurts. Yeah, it's also a self-esteem thing. It's a self-esteem thing, too, where it's like, well, I'm sure this is all I'm, I'm feeling to, you know, that I'm, I'm capable of. It, like, it makes me, I feel it just talking about it. It's like, so. But, yeah.

But, and then all are happy music. And then, like, I like late in life, Whitney. I love Heartbreak Hotel. Oh, yeah. And my love is your love and all that shit. The Bodyguard soundtrack. What? The Bodyguard soundtrack.

I mean, it's fucking Dolly heard that song and was like, no, you got to get a Give that to that little girl. Yeah. Because it was like so good. People have been trying for years to get that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she did it so good. Yeah.

And it's just like, and then, yeah, the story. And then like people think about her one way. And then you hear kind of the talk about her and Bobby, like where people were like, Bobby did this to her. And it's sort of like, I think she did it. The other way. She was a little more like her brother talks about Bobby always had a really low tolerance for drugs and shit like that. But just like, yeah.

Whitney Houston. And your final thing. And my favorite voice. We'll do a little speed round from the last one. Okay. Does this work? This is a weird one. Can I do Shirley Temple?

Yes, that's so funny. Okay. That's so funny. Yeah, I think that was a round five, sneak it in at the end. Yep. Yeah. And then also had a crazy late in life turn. Shirley Temple Black became like a, what was she?

She was an ambassador? She was an ambassador. Yeah, yeah, later in life. So Czechoslovakia and Ghana. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they go hand in hand. Of course. Childhood sensation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Amazing. The original Disney kid. Like, so well trained. Uh-huh. Yeah. So well trained.

Kind of a perfect famous person at the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Say that again, Isaac, please. She was the chief of protocol of the United States under Ford and Carter. A cartoon. Yeah.

Wow. Wait, with Shirley. No, she was. What? I might not know who Shirley. Shirley Temple is. Shirley Temple, black, black was your last name. You didn't hear what he said?

He said a cartoon. Oh. I said a cartoon. What? I'm thinking of Betty Booth. God damn it. It hasn't happened in a while where something that stupid came out of my mouth. Betty Boop almost a pop princess though.

You'll notice. You'll notice my face getting a little redder. That would got me. I was, would you? Shit. I almost made it out. It's okay. Shirley Temple was before your time.

You remember we said a cartoon was an ad back for them. She was before all of our time. It's okay. Ambassador didn't get you I would think years were turning I'm like no way That's sweet That was good

Yeah dude that's great But she sang She sang in all those movies Yeah And danced Yeah And acted And acted

Yeah So for your final pick Final pick I'm between three Should I go with The one that I probably Like the most But is the least

Pop Princess Respectably Should I go with one where I love her music and she's a huge star and it's weird that none of us picked her yet? Or should I go with one that all my friends would be mad if I didn't put some respect on her name. I have guesses for each of who they are. I feel like I'm closest to that first option so I don't want you to pick that one. I would say go the first one. That's what I want.

The fifth round, go hard. The fifth round is tricky. I say go heart to it. What is it? But go hard meaning what? This is a hot sauce competition. Nobody's going to win. Sean's going to drink it all in

Okay, I'm going with my first The one that I like the best That is the least respectable in this In this category Hilary Duff Oh there you go Wow Yeah

She's having a renaissance right now for days I think that rounds out your list nicely I love Hillary Duff Yeah She was good to me She did put out some good pop song Let the rain fall down Oh I didn't know that was Hillary Duff

Yeah The fucking the hills or whatever Or Laguna Beach She was horrible She had a handful She had a handful of good poppy songs. I mean, Lizzie McGuire was a very important TV show to me at the time. I still kind of trying to dress like that. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I feel that I also really imprinted on Hillary

Duff. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Pop, popular music, right? That's what it means. What's happening? What's happening now? What are you trying to sell me here? I don't know a cartoon go, so yeah, absolutely. There's different kinds of music that have been popular in different times in American history. Well, pop music is a genre of music. It is a genre of music. honor of music, but I think it goes all the way back to the 40s, the 50s, popular music. You're going to take Ella Fitzgerald? Yes, I am. Are you serious? I'm taking Ella Fitzgerald.

No. Ella Fitzgerald. Nobody's saying the American pop songbook like Ella Fitzgerald. I don't know. All she did was popular music. I don't know about that. If Shirley Temple counts, Ella Fitzgerald absolutely counts. I don't know about this one. Ella Fitzgerald sang pop music.

Okay. Like what? Like, uh, well, like, I mean, I'm pulling up. Anything goes. I think that you're trying to do an academic. Dream a little dream. Cheek to cheeks. Summertime. Autumn and New York.

Someone to watch over me. It's only a paper moon. I think you're trying to show that you have good taste. And we already think that about you. I do not like jazz. I talk about jazz all the time on here. And I want it represented. You have nothing to prove here.

We're all friends here. I let it all go because it's fun to talk about. I do see traditional pop on the genres of her traditional pop. She did these albums with Louis Armstrong, which were incredibly popular at the time. Jazz musician, Louis Armstrong. Jazz musician, Louis Armstrong. Satchmo.

Satchmo himself, Ella Fitzgerald. Okay. Ella Fitzgerald. Fine. I don't think of Nina Simone if I want you to think of a lawless podcast. Nina Simone would hate that you did that. I didn't. I didn't.

I didn't take her. She also hates being black-faced. Yeah. Wait, who blackface named Miss Simone? They, uh, who was it? Who played her in that last movie? They darkened her. Oh.

You ever want to watch a good documentary? What, uh, what happened Miss Simone? Yeah. She had a great documentary. She was, she was, that lady had it, boy. Oh, my God. She, she, she, she, was, that's a strong personality. She went through it in so many different ways and then, fuck it, like, anyway, we could talk about Niz Simone.

We'll draft Nina Simone. We're not going to drop Nina Simone. All right, I won't take Eleventh-Jarald. I don't have to. I'm going to take Chapel Rhone. Okay. Great. Yay.

Good, good, good. I'm glad she made it. My personal favorite of the current pop princesses. Yeah, she's awesome. The songs are amazing. Aesthetics are great. The aesthetics are great. I mean, dancing actually not great.

She kind of just struts around. She struts around. That's fine. She performs. She performs. She performs. She's working with what she's got. No, I was just good.

Because she's such a good performance. She's so good at shredding that I said great dancer. but I'm like, no, actually, she doesn't really. Great strutter. Yeah. Stomp's around. Stomp's. The songs are fucking amazing.

They're nuts. I can't wait for it. Every time, like any new music, I'm like. Bridget Barreto. I love big songs too. And she does big. They're so big. Yeah, heavy boys.

Have you heard her singing Barakuda? No. Oh. God, I bet she sings her teeth into that. So fucking good. Pink Pony Club will like never go off my gym rotation playlist. Yeah. It's so good.

Sean Jordan, my brother. My father, brother. Bro. I'm going Haley Williams. Oh. Is that a possible alternative? No, no, no. Ella Fitzgerald was going to count?

No, I didn't accept that. Yeah, Haley Williams, why not? Paramore's pop music, but she's solo now. We said, Ella Fitzgerald, who I declined to take, sang pop music. Haley Williams is in a rock band. Yeah, that's true. She is solo now. Yeah, but she has to with a rock band.

Avrilavileven was on the cusp of not being a music. accepted. You're saying because she was in Paramoid that I can't pick her because she was in Paramo. She was in Paramour and she still when she performs now like ego death at a Bachelorette party is with a rock band when she performs it. It's not necessarily Paramore. I mean, all of these people have bands playing with them. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's not amazing. She's not a pop princess. No. Don't go crying to your mom. I think princess. She's not

a pop princess. I don't think she would say she would not like to be a pop princess. We're honoring her. She's not her choices. She ain't drafting. All right. All right. Fine. Well, that was the last one I wanted. Let me see. There are a bunch left. The other one is Gerald on the table. By a taker. Betty Boop.

Betty Boop. The cartoon got me, man. Oh, that got me. All right. Duolipa. Great. Julepa. Julepa. We'll close it out strong.

Love duolita. Julepa. Pop princess through and through. Great music. Great personality. Good dancing. She's making books cool. again.

She has a book podcast. Yeah. So is Sean. Yeah. And, you know, I just can't stop reading. She seems, she seems right. Was she Albanian? Yeah.

Yeah. But she's like a British accent, isn't she? Yeah. She grew up in England, but like her heritage wise. I didn't know she was Albania. Albania? I heard she's, I thought she, why did I think she was from Kosovo? Maybe she is.

And she's so beautiful. Yeah. Oh, my wife's pretty. Oh, both. Kosovo Albanian parents. She's a Kosovo. We're just in the pop princess category. Right, right, right.

She's more of like a. a writer. Yeah. More of like an author. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Doolifa's gorgeous. She is either married to or dating, the guy who's going to be the next James Bond. Calam Turner.

Yeah, what a handsome couple. My God. Yeah. When you see that and you're like, thank you guys for getting together. They're either going to have the hottest or the weirdest-looking kids. Either way. Either way, the kid's going to behave like the hottest. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Julepa, the final pick. What's your favorite Duleepa song? I can't even name one. I like new rules. I know it's one of the first ones. Houdini, I love.

Oh, yeah. Houdini's good. What was the first one? What was the very first one they hit? New rules? Probably? That was the first year one before that? You ever catch yourself being bad with the names of songs?

Yeah. And just like knowing some of the lyrics. I was worried this was going to be like a more of an album. I feel like a lot of music people are like so good at naming albums. And I'm so bad at albums. I was quite stressed about that. No, no. Not really.

We're doing pop princesses. Yeah, you got to go singles. That's what I can't. Yeah. Yeah. Should we all go through and say a couple that we are shocked. We're not mentioned. Well, we're going to let Isaac do his honorary pick, and then we will.

Yeah. I am glad you guys left her for me. The most famous Asian American musician to ever live so far, Olivia Rodriguez. Eleanor Rodriguez. Oh. Yes. Yeah. Olivia Rodriguez.

Filipino. Amazing. Filipino. Yeah. Is she from L.A.? I think so. Yeah. Pretty sure.

Well, that's who was dating the goddamn. O'Dog's got a new album coming out, right? Sure does. She's got, like, that video that she's feeling at Versailles. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sauer, one of my favorite albums. Oh, yeah.

She's got fucking bangers on there. She got pipes. Drivers license, I mean. Yeah. I mean. It's nuts. She also, like, didn't she, like, blow up on TikTok just by playing that, like, in her house, kind of? I mean, she was a Disney.

Is that how that happened? Yeah, I think so. But she was. She was a Disney kid. She was a Disney kid. It was like a Drake situation, right? Like, like, what, like, uh. Like she was known.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all I'm bad. That's all I'm good. She's great. Apparently her live shows are really fun, too. They look fun.

Yeah. Yeah. High energy. People were shocked didn't get picked. Oh, Miley. Miley. Miley, Gaga. Gaga.

Does Charlie XX count? Is she? Yeah. I mean, I think so. Was that the one your friends would be mad at you for not taking? No, Gaga. Was all my friends favorite is Gaga.

And I think Gaga's great, but I'm never like reaching for Gaga. I feel the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Also, Shakira, who we did mention. I love Shakira. I'm actually bumping Shakira. all the time, but I am like, I don't speak Spanish.

It feels phony to hear us. Yeah, that's how I feel about Spanish language music in general a lot where it's like, I do really enjoy this and listening to it. I'm not connecting to anything and it makes me feel like a little. Yeah, that's how I feel with Bad Bunny. I'm like, this is awesome. It feels amazing. I don't know.

He's going, yeah. Would Alia have? Yeah. That's who I was talking about before. Yeah. And I did not know any of that shit. And that is crazy. Oh, yeah.

the Jay Z Dame Dash situation? Kelly Clarkson? Yes. Anybody? I'm Kelly Clarkson. My boyfriend loves Kelly. And came up through the pop star ranks as far as American Idol. American Idol is like, we had no American Idol.

One of the truest American, like, I don't know if anybody did American Idol like her. She kind of owns American Idol. Was she the first winner? She might have been the first winner, but she's certainly the only one that had like staying power. Yeah. I mean, where's Ruben Stuttered? Where is he? The only, or Carrie Underwood won and she got it done.

Jennifer Hudson didn't make it very far but won an Oscar and like now has a show I forgot that Jennifer Hudson was on America yeah she was an American Idol and they thought

she didn't have the voice to win it you moron moron hilarious yeah Benson Boone also came up through American Idol I didn't really yeah

pretty wild you can flip on there now huh you can flip on there now I don't know if he was flipping maybe that's why he didn't win they didn't have the insurance I can I please flip

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A pop prince, if there ever was one. Absolutely. I've heard you get your hands on Fallout, boy. This guy has pipes. He wails. He has pipes. In a previous life, I was a singer. He was.

In this current life, you're still a singer, by the way. I still can't sing, yeah, yeah. You get Isaac and a karaoke. You're going to not want to go next. It's nuts. Yeah, yeah, you know, you need to be you pay someone to go in between you guys. Shout out to our wonderful guest, say, Sophie Buttele. For the longest time, because of the lowercase L,

I did this thing in my head. Like I know your name is Sophie Bottle, but then I was like, is it Sophie Bottle? I'm like, I know it's not Sophie Bottle. But then, does this ever happen to you? Where I'm like, the thing that I know is right? I'm like, or is that wrong in my head? And now it's become a tick for me. Even though I know your name is Sophie Bottle.

And I know that. A lot of them up in Canada. A lot of ticks in Canada. No, we're trying to dispel that. We're trying to get away from that. A lot of tall grass up there. No, our grass is short. Lime disease free.

Short grass walk and Lyme disease-free Sophie Buttle. Thank you. Our wonderful guest today. Thank you for having me. Wonderful time. Truly our pleasure. We'd love to have you back literally any time. Pop Princes next time.

We can do Pop Princes next time. Darker turn. Haley Williams? There is a bit of a... Haley Williams does qualify for Park Brinth. I mean, I would love to call dibs on tech billionaires for next time. Okay, we'll do tech billionaires. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So look out for the next recording session when we get Sophie Butler back to do tech millionaires. See, I did the tech millionaire. again even that time. I need to go to fucking speech therapy or something for your name specifically. My Jewish Brethren.

Yeah. It's awesome. Weheim. It's awesome. Lechim indeed. Is there a feminine word for brethren? Sisterin? Feminine? Feminine. Feminemnon?

Feminon. Feminon? It's a feminine omon. Keep a hot like Papa John. Phenon? Fretherin? Frederick? Shout out to Frank the Ocean.

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