All Fantasy Everything - Rap Crews (w/ Open Mike Eagle, Jeff Weiss and David Gborie)

Episode Date: January 20, 2017

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. Welcome to another episode of All Fantasy Everything, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us again. I am your host, Ian Carmel. Today, we are drafting rap clicks. Oh, boy. Clicks from the world of hip-hop. It's going to be tough.

We're doing a four-banger. Four? We've got four people. No, we're going to do five rounds. five rounds five rounds we got four people in here picking god we'll see if we can get to five rounds this is like those old nba drafts where they drop like nine rounds yeah somebody's like owner's cousin with the sandwich pick justifying mur Murphy Lee solo projects. Who was the hook going to be? Tail feather was shaking.

Joining me today, we have a blue ribbon panel drafting rap clicks. Today I'm joined by Jeff Weiss. Yeah, that's me. Writer, journalist. Sometimes with Playboy, sometimes with LA Weekly. Yeah. Sometimes with Rolling Stone. The website called Passion of the Weiss.

Passion of the Weiss. At Passion Weiss. Oh, at Audubon Biz Marquis. Audubon Biz. No, at Passion Weiss. Yeah, Audubon Biz Marquis is just my... Is the handle. Yeah, and Hannibal Moncrief, but we don't talk about him. What is Hannibal Moncrief?

He's a peyote runner off the coast of Papua New Guinea. I'm so excited right now. He's funding my label. It's his drug money. I have a label called POW Reporting. Shit, that's good. He's funding my label. It's his drug money. I have a label called POW Recording. Shit, that's good. And he's, yeah. Shit, that's cool.

Mike was the one that, he linked me up with him. Hannibal Moncrief. Hannibal Moncrief, yeah. He's a lustrous. Focus on the movies in the dark. I like that. He played the theremin in a band called Infinite Transgression. He was really into Ray Surremer before they became a thing.

Yeah, yeah. Hot Boys or something. Yeah, yeah. Dumb name. Yeah, he's on it but uh you know uh where can people what's your what's your latest project what can people look into god right now um i just did a run the jewels interview for pitchfork oh fantastic yeah so it's uh on pitchfork.com look for that go to the website pitchfork.com slash website follow me on twitter i need followers and self-esteem. Yeah. Check that. Go there and validate him. Additionally, we have podcast favorite.

Amazing stand-up comedian. When this comes out, not fresh, but fresh off your Conan debut. Woo! Crush it on the Conan O'Brien program. Oh, man. Rave reviews, man. Rave reviews. David Borey. Is that out? Can I watch that?

It's out. I had no idea. Somebody in the comments called me Hannibal Burgers, which I think is his final answer. I think I saw that and liked it. It's so good. It was so funny. Hannibal Burgers. I'm going to tell him.

Shout out to whoever said Hannibal. You should text Hannibal. Yeah, shout out to whoever said that. I'm going hard in the. Shout out to whoever said Hannibal. Yeah, you should text Hannibal. Yeah, shout out to whoever said that. I'm going hard on the YouTube comments. I appreciate it. Hannibal. Some YouTube comments are the best music criticism. Crazy.

Like, man, they go hard. Yeah. What are some comparable ones? What could a... God. That was the best one. The rest of them were just like, he looks like he's wearing a fat suit. I know.

That's the worst. Hannibal Burgers is good. Hannibal Burgers is a good joke. You be Hannibal Burgers and I'll go by Artie Langers. Which is a great little bit of local reference. Artie Langers and Hannibal. Artie Langers is already fat, so that's like that.

At the G is silent on Twitter. Cool Guy Jokes on Instagram. Cool guy jokes on Instagram. Cool guy jokes 87. 87, that's right. This is going to drop in about two weeks. Is there anywhere people can see you? I'll be in San Francisco for Sketch Fest. Yes.

At the chapel doing the guest list for rooftop comedy or audible or something like that. Yeah. The 26th of January. Very good. Fantastic. Rounding us out today, we something like that. Yeah. The 26th of January. Very good. Fantastic. Rounding us out today, we have Mike Eagle. Hello. Joining us.

Comedian, MC. Yeah. Bon Vivant. Mostly MC. Urban farmer. Yes. Yes. Now it can be told.

I actively urban farm. We can finally reveal that you have a potato acreage. No, it's artisanal cabbage. It's magnificent. Potatoes are out of season, actually. It's green beans. It's green beans season. Obviously, I'm not a farmer.

I am not. I'm, look. You're at Mike underscore Eagle on Twitter? That is I. What's your latest? What can people check out? Oh, just go to my shows and stuff. Yeah.

That's probably the thing to do. Me and Baron Vaughn's comedy showcase, The New Negroes, is going to be at Riot Fest in L.A. I think this should be – you should be able to hear this right around that time. That is one of the – like every festival I go to that it's at is like constantly sold out. It's like one of the – That's what I did last year. It's such a good show. Yeah.

How do I get booked on it? Oh, yeah. That's a problem I don't do I get booked on it? Oh, yeah. That's a problem I don't think I can solve right here. I'll talk to Barron. I'll talk to Barron. I'll do him a lot. You Jackie Robinson? I'll do him a lot.

I would love to, if there is ever a Jackie Robinson, I would love to be that guy. I will write 42 on my chest in blue paint. Write the color line. Or 24. It is a fantastic show. That's hard to do to create that separation. So congratulations on that, man. Yeah, it's super fun, and we're really enjoying doing it every month.

It's a great show. So check out that show. Check out any time you do him. I have to shut just the qualifiers video, which is the – The laundromat one? Yeah, the laundromat one. Yeah. I think I'm'm i couldn't

when did that come out like 2013 14 13 so i might i might have just been leaving portland i remember i think i stumbled upon on either facebook or twitter and i must have watched it like a hundred times that's awesome it's just so good yeah no those there were very many unsuspecting people doing laundry yeah while we were rapping. You walked into a... I love the beat. The song itself is just great. You walked into a laundromat and just performed a song. It was fantastic. You kind of pioneered that.

You know what it did? I think Solange bit it or something after that. Yo! That's crazy! I would love to be bit by Solange. I never even thought about that. If Solange starts doing a fantasy draft podcast, then I will count myself equal. If Solange does a Coney, I'm love to be back. I never even thought about that. If Solange starts doing a fantasy draft podcast, then I will count myself your equal. If Solange does a Conan, I'm going to freak out. Solange would do Conan and Pitchfork would give it a 9.8 somehow.

I concur. Indeed, they would. So today we are drafting rap clicks. they would. So today we are drafting rap clicks. The way we determine the draft order every time is through a game of rock, paper, scissors. Highly sophisticated.

So the three of you will be playing a game of rock, paper, scissors. If anyone doubles up, the person who doesn't double up is going to be the winner. And they determine the draft order. If you all get the same one, then you just play again. And it's rock, paper, scissors, shoot. We got it. Wait, wait, wait. So who's playing? All three of you.

Okay. We're playing rock, paper, scissors. Rock, paper, scissors. The three of us. And then what happens if somebody ties? If all three of you tie, we do it again. But if only two of you tie, the person who doesn't tie is the winner. Oh, that's so weird. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it's a weird... It's a weird... And it's on shoot. It's rock, paper,

scissors, shoot. Got it. Alright. So we're gonna do it right now to determine the draft order. Okay. It's a weird... And it's on shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. We're going to do it right now to determine the draft order. Jeff, you ready to get involved? He's going to lose. I'm just looking up the last minute. Alright, here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, well, listen.

Mike, you threw early, but Mike wins anyway. David and Jeff tied up. That's fair. Mike, you get to determine the order of the draft. I am definitely first. Mike is first? It's serpentine. So that means like it goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 1, 2, 3, 4, and then 4, 3.

So you'll have to do it double. The second round, you double up. Yeah, you have to double up. Okay, I think I understand. So you're still going first. I'm definitely going first. It'll all become clear. So Mike's going first. Who do you have to double up. Okay. I think I understand. So you're still going first. I'm definitely going first. It'll all become clear. So Mike's going first.

Who do you like to go second? David. David's going second. Who do you want to go third? Jeff. All right, we're going to go right around the circle, Jeff. We're going to be clockwise for my mentality. At the end.

So with the first pick of the All Fantasy Everything Rap Click Draft, Mike Eagle, you are on the clock. I am selecting my favorite personal rap click of all time. Native Tongues. Native Tongues. Native Tongues. That's a good first pick. Drop Car Quest, De La Soul, some leaders of the new school, Queen Latifah and Moni Love

and Prince Paul. Jungle Brothers. Black Sheep and the Jungle Brothers. They'd be really mad I said them last. Baby Bam's going to put out a head on you. He's be really mad I said them last. Baby Bam's gonna put out a head on you. You don't want that. He's gonna be wearing

lots of mascara. They, they put, like, Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul both put out good albums this year.

They did. They did. So good. And that's from like, that's an early 90s rap click. That's amazing. Like, Queen Latifah is like

old Hollywood at this point. Hey, but she's not a bitch. She's not. No, don't call her that. You and I, T-Wap. I like that song better than...

You know what my favorite Queen Latifah song is? Huh? And this is very controversial. The intro to Living Single. Oh. That's tight. My homegirl standing to my left. Am I right?

It's true. We're stuck like glue. Check it out. That's my favorite Queen Latifah verse. That's a good one. Wasn't Big Les doing a lot of like karate in the intro or something like that

there was a girl and she was in like she was on a rooftop it's Big Les from Rap City is it no it's not yeah Big Les is a dancer

that was her real okay cause it's like it's like silhouetted like you know how all the 90s videos were like real silhouetted

yeah yeah poof hair and she's just kicking yep lots of kicks hip hop kicks they just figured out silhouettes at that point. Like soft blue lighting.

Yeah, yeah. Wind and silhouettes. You can't do much better than Native Tongues, man. And when they would get together, I mean, like on Scenario with Busta from Leaders of the New School coming over, and like when they would do songs together, they were always so good. Buddy, yeah. Buddy, yeah on Scenario with Busta from Leaders of the New School coming over. And when they would do songs together, they were always so good. Buddy. Buddy, yeah.

Scenario. All kind of like DJ Red Alert. DJ Red Alert was one of the Jungle Brothers' uncles, so he brought a lot of them together. Really? Yeah. I was just watching. Have you seen that Stretch and Bobbito? Yes, I love it so much.

Yo, when Busta's freestyling on that, so good. That was a verse, though. That was a verse. Oh, yeah, because they were talking about who had writtens and who had freestyles. That was my favorite thing about it. Man. I tweeted that to Bobbito. Like, I love how you guys put which ones are freestyling.

Right, they're calling people out. Yeah. That video. That's a good one. Beats, Rhymes, and Life, to shout that out again, great Tribe Called Quest documentary that briefly touches on the native tongues. But yeah, they were great.

Like, really, like, the first sort of... The first Black Sheep album is incredible. It's awesome. Some of the best, like... Yeah, well, they all, like, I think, when gangster rap was rising, they had, like... You know, in the sense where it was, like, never self-righteous.

It was kind of, like, parodying, kind of funny. I mean, it got a little, I think, with more sex, it got a little more serious. But they were that antidote, I know, in the sense where it was like never self-righteous. It was kind of like parodying, kind of funny. I mean, it got a little, I think with more sex, I got a little more serious. But they were that antidote, I suppose, at the time. Right, yeah. And they founded so many different kind of, they pretty much founded alternative rap, if you think, you know, which became. Right, absolutely. Birth of the Backpack. If not them, who, like who, right?

I mean, before. Yeah, I mean, who, yeah, I can't imagine who else. They invented neon. Yeah. Little impact. They were responsible. Yeah. Little fun fact. They were responsible for the Daisy insurgents of the mid-90s. Yeah. A lot of Daisy.

Yeah. And also, I gotta give credit to De La Soul for also just, like, being, like, everyone thought they were really, like, soft, but they would just beat motherfuckers up. They would beat a lot of people up. Did they really? I didn't know. They were down with the Violators, which was Chris Lighty's management group. And all of them were known for going in places and beating people up.

Oh, shit. People would think that they were like PM Don, but they were not. You know what? People say Plug One and Two are hippies. I say it's pure Plug Bull. You know they have a whole song called It Ain't Hip to Be a Hippie where they're literally explaining to people, Daisy was an acronym. We are not hippies yeah we will fight you i guess because if i think about everything that they came out with afterwards it doesn't even seem like on

that kind of yeah i think their whole career is always like them taking a look at what they just did and like okay we went too far yeah i would say that last tribe album too kind of puts them over the edge too because you can't think of any i mean how many groups have been offered 15 years and then come back and drop that album's amazing amazing so good and to drop it at that time like it'll forever i think you remember it as being dropped that week yeah pressing it man it was like it's the first post-trump art that was created pre-trump. Yeah, it knew. Oh, man, that's crazy. It reminds me of that, I may have said this before, but it reminds me of

that when Chappelle hosted Saturday Night Live right after Trump was elected. And they were on it. But that sketch with him and Chris Rock where it's like, oh, now you think things are bad now. Oh, now things are bad for you. And like Tribe is kind of,

they're like, oh no, things were shitty also under Hillary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh man. That fucking sketch. Oh, Kentucky, that's where the race is.

Oh yeah. But that new Tribe album is so, it is so good. It's amazing. The guest features are amazing. Yeah, Consequence kills it, Busta kills it.

Yeah. And Jerobe, like it's not the best in the world, but I love it. Like it's Jerobe. Like who would have been on Jerobe? amazing. Yeah, Consequence kills it. Buster kills it. And Jerobe, like, it's not the best in the world, but I love it. Like, it's Jerobe. Like, who would have been on Jerobe? Yeah. And then the new De La Soul has David Byrne and shit on it.

Right. They have, like, crazy features, too. And 2 Chainz. We might have the best verse. Looking forward to that David Byrne 2 Chainz album. That collab, though. Yeah. It's been needed, man.

The talking, getting heads. Oh! Copyright. What? Yo, I just want to ghost write it. Native Tongue, that's an excellent pick. Just so many good, like with, and people who have lasted too. Like Busta was around back then and Busta still put out music.

Busta is one of the greatest rappers of all time in my opinion in terms of the technical craft of rapping there's not so many people in the world who can do as many things as he can do he's i think that's fair i don't know 100 he's amazing at he can yeah and then he'll like he'll do that rapper straight up like he'll do that like precision yes you know so technical so technical and then he'll wrap it like a patois too but it doesn't get lost in the sauce. Like, a lot of times you listen to a fast rapper, and you're like, oh, this is like kind of garbage, but like, nah, Busta, like, listen to fucking, what's, Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See.

Oh, my God. Like, you look at the lyrics of that song, and it's like bars. Like, it's all bars. Yeah. Busta's like. I feel if Busta came out like in the late 2000s, he would be regarded as one of the greatest rappers

of all time on site. Because, like, I feel like what Wayne was doing was kind of very similar to what Busta was out in the late 2000s, he would be regarded as one of the greatest rappers of all time on site. Because I feel like what Wayne was doing was kind of very similar to what Busta was doing, kind of just destroying things. I believe, yeah, for sure. But he didn't maybe have the... I mean, when disaster strikes, it's a pretty great album. It's right. The Coming is a pretty great album. Busta was so disruptive. I remember the first time I saw the I Got You All In Check video, and it was like nothing I had ever seen before. Brand new.

I was like, who is this dude? Why does his jacket match the background? And he was just like. And he's just this big Jamaican dude screaming like he didn't even like. Busta and Hype. Was it Hype Williams who directed them? Yes. Yeah.

That is one of my favorite collaborations. The original Fish Island. Like just insanity video. The dress with Martha Stewart, an iconic performance. Yo. The dress, man. Oh, man. Even like, I was just watching this video the other day. Yo! The dress, man! Oh, man. Even, like, I was just watching this video the other day.

Remember the video, Buster and Janet? Yeah! Oh, yeah! That video cost a million dollars. Yeah! It was a video that cost a million dollars. Because it was, like, the highest. It looked like it at the time.

Now, if you look back, it looks like it cost $4,500. That's just a bunch of tinfoil. Yeah, right? I remember that. That video was in heavy rotation. Yeah. Janet was fucking hot in that video, too. Sweet.

Yeah. Yeah. She just had a baby. That was some mystified. Oh, at 50, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. But she can do everything.

Yeah. So I feel like she made Rhythm Nation, so you're allowed to have babies at 74. Man. That'd be wild. In 1814 or 1812. She was born then Monie Love was British right

yeah Monie Love was British Native Tongues was international too yep man very good the rare British rapper yeah

how many British rappers Slick Rick Slick Rick oh Slick Rick y'all got sexy voices all the British rappers I feel like Slick Rick but we get Slick Rick

Dana Day Dana Day the Slick Rick copy yeah Dana Day was British I had no idea he might have just. The Slick Rick copy. Dana Dane was British. I had no idea. He might have just been a Slick Rick copy, honestly. He might have been from Philly, honestly.

In hindsight. Slick Rick, man. Also for his eyepatch rapper. So respect to that. Him and OG Mako and Bushwick Bill. Is that it? And Gigi. Well, how's OG Mako doing?

Has there been a second OG Mako? Jeff, how's OG.G. O.G. Mako doing has there been a second O.G. Mako song how's O.G. Mako doing how's O.G. Mako that's a good question he lives in the valley now I think really

yeah well he was like I hate you guys this is the worst it's like dude that was by far your best song yeah come on

that was a great song you guys did a good song he be kicking it with Rick Rubin no I think he's working on some shit okay with Rick Rubin

really yes his twitter header is like him kicking it with Rick Rubin, though. I think he's working on some shit. With Rick Rubin? Yes. His Twitter header is like him kicking it with Rick Rubin. Just him eating vegan donuts and malibu. It's like they're sitting on somebody's porch. Really, it's a lot. Shout out to OG Mako, who's a listener of this podcast. I love you, and I love you guys. I love you guys.

I'll send this episode to him. Send it to him. I'll send this episode to him. We love you, OG Mako. Yeah, man. I hope shit's going well for you. That video? That video was great.

It was so good. That video, maybe it spoke to us as stand-ups because it was like being in a hotel. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. Right? Oh, my God. Oh, man.

I've done that. I've done that. Like at a festival, just like hammered at a hotel, just like fucking around being like, oh, we're going to wake Ethel up for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had that feeling watching that video like, oh, we should have did this. Right? That's probably Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had that feeling watching that video like, oh, we should have did this. I bet that has a lot to do with it.

It's not too late, man. Bridgetown. Let's fuck up whatever hotel they put us in. Fuck up Bridgetown. Excellent. Native Tongues, such an excellent pick. I mean, yeah, just so good. David Borey, it's time for your first pick. I think my first pick speaks to my age specifically.

All of mine speak to my age. Let's get that out of the way. Just like ROC, the Rock Boys. Oh, yeah. All right. I thought you couldn't tell me in 2002 that they weren't going to take over the world. Absolutely. Like, I believed everything Dame Dash said.

I love those dudes in my heart so much. The fact that Jay and Dame aren't together, that's like your parents. It is. It was like, in the whole story, and I don't know if you believe the lore, just the idea of just coming in the game, independent, people were trying

to give them a million for Jay. He's like, nah, we're going to do it ourselves. And Reasonable Doubt is a little older than me. So like yeah yeah drop but like the blueprint was like i got in blueprint two blueprint two was great yeah like the first one because that was also the kanye west marriage yes it was just like god man that blueprint album and then the naz beef and just like and then like beanie seagull was like the hitter hitter. And I have a technical question. Yes. Does the Rockefeller clique include state property? No, I think it is.

I think it is for sure. I think 100%. State property might need to adjust to my list. Did you have major figures? Because that's its own. No, I don't even know. Let's talk about young Chris for a second. What will we talk about when we talk about young Chris? Major figures is great.

But yeah, Rockefeller. I think they did everything. They did everything a crew needs to do. They did it all successfully. It was just such – that was a good time. They were huge. Did anyone spin off in a big way? Emil.

Emil. Spun off into obscurity we'll get him back it's like the start of mcbath they're just brewing a witch's cauldron i am new sit in a dark room and the project's cursing jay-z is a cold piece of work yeah yeah no rock i just i love that like i was in it man like rock aware hoodies and like yeah clothing i watched the state property the movie it was so bad but i watched it and then but paid in full was a rockefeller movie and that movie is incredible yeah paid in full is dope yeah like that but yeah as a crew that was just i just everything about it i thought they were the coolest i was like a beanie seagull guy yeah i love being

yeah freeway also freeway also man i find that influenced by drez of a black sheep one of his big really oh really oh you're gonna hear it yeah have you heard freeway come since he's been back now it's not it's not what it's not yeah he was like on that one nine hustler song one nine hundred hustler freeway like that dude was like and that's probably like fucking without a condom on it was like it was just so i was like this guy is just like talking also the only song the only uh i think we saw him where memphis bleak raps better than jay-z oh one nine hundred also that's a good because that was a good verse they don't get we know you got a brick but some 20s till they're tired yeah that was a good yeah good for you bleak bleak was so like

he kind of like because those early verses on the jay-z unreasonable doubt that's a great verse he was like 16 years old you know you know where else bleak is good is on the nutty professor 2 soundtrack hey poppy yeah that's an amazing that's a great song that's a great and uh is that yo bitch is also a is that your yeah oh you know i good Bleakverse. Yeah. I never liked Bleak until I heard him on Drink Champs. Drink Champs is, man. You guys need to have a Drink Champs collab.

A lot of background info on rappers that I used to ignore, but now I'm in love with. I know them as people now. If we're talking podcasts, Memphis Bleak is also super good on Tax Stone. Okay, I haven't heard him on Tax Stone. But that makes a lot of sense. Freeway had that Flipside song.

Oh, yeah, with Petey Crack? I forgot about Petey Crack. State property. Oh, man. Petey Crack and I Ate for Play. Oh, man. Flipside was great. Even though Flipside, if you watch that video, you don't really believe it.

Like, it was like a party song, but I'm like, I don't think... I think you're eating bean pies. I don't think you're in a party. Like, because all his other... Like, in that album, all his other songs are, like, not like that. No. And then out of nowhere... It's all shake your tail feather.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you ever sign? What? I was going to say, do you ever hear any of those freestyles on Funk Flex where it would just be, like, the ones where, like where Beanie and Freeway and Jay would all... Yes. Those, honestly, are some of the best rap freestyles ever. Beanie Siegel, he's like one of those dudes.

Incredible. He was too real to be able to do it. Yeah. You know how some dudes are actually gangsters so they just can't make their life work? I feel like that was... Those beans. Man, feel it in the air? I watched that video this morning.

Every morning. Your handshake doesn't match your smile. Man, feel it in the air? I watched, man, I watched that video this morning. Every morning. Your handshake doesn't match your smile. Man. You've been keeping up with the shit with him and Meek and all of that. Yeah, it hurts my feelings, man. It hurts my heart. That dude punched him. And it's like, you know, punch Beanie Siegel?

He's got one lung. He's got diabetes. Yeah. It's like, if you see the video of the guy who punched him, he's super like, cut. Somebody from Meek's crew punched Beanie Seagull One of the dream chasers Come on What a bully He was like waiting to go on stage

And the two walked up behind him Big dude Right before he was going to go on stage It was Cassidy Fucking Cassidy Can I say before we even go on can i say my favorite beanie seagull story is i was listening to i think i was listening to him on tax stone that was so great he was talking about when they did the hard knock life tour yeah he would take everybody's laminates from that night and when they would get to the next city he

would sell them to people really and that's how he made a bunch of money selling them day-old laminates just get like 250 yeah yeah he just sold them the whole tour he really got into laminates yeah yeah now he does deco posh yeah yeah he takes double xl he's like a millionaire he's like a billionaire and something you never know yeah flip laminates dog are y'all saying that shit with fat joe doing that uh that that um fuck what is it that uh pyramid scheme shit oh yeah i have seen that when you get everyone listening to this when you're done listening to this look up on youtube look up fat joe and pyramid scheme and prepare to have your mind blown well i will say that Fat Joe gets like yes

Fat Joe gets a better rep than he deserves because if you really do look at the tone of hip hop and like who he was as a personality Fat Joe's like a goon yeah

like he's a real bully always like he did songs with J-Lo so I feel like people don't like realize that like he's like I'm like a bad dude yeah

Fat Joe's like a bad dude if you ever yeah if you ever see him like they did a what's that show a show. Fat Joe's like a bad dude. If you ever see him, like they did a, what's that show? I think it's like Unsung. It's on one of them channels,

but they just kind of profile rap crews and they profile Terror Squad and the whole thing is basically just a long story of Fat Joe making friends with people and fucking them over. Really? The story of Terror Squad. Big Pun's wife is not happy with Fat Joe.

If you listen to, I think it's the Drink Tamps, listen to Fat Joe talking about how he got shot. You're like, he's the worst dude. Some dude didn't want to shoot him and he made him shoot him. Just making fun of him and shit because he's a jerk. Jesus. I never trusted him after a friend of mine interviewed him. And he's like, the whole time, him and his crew, they just kept on pouring Crystal Light into their drinks.

And I was like, what? Yeah, that's unsavory. Crystal Light. Post Big Pun, were they on a health kick? Apparently. I. And I was like, what? Yeah, that's unsavory. Crystal Light. Post Big Pun, were they on a health kick? Apparently. It's like 2008, though. I will say, in my personal opinion, Puerto Ricans love Crystal Light.

Crystal Light. It's like, I want my drinks to be like artificial raspberry. You know what? I remember he did some vibe interview with something a long time ago, back when he had a print magazine. And I remember him saying that he loved the taste of aspartame or something in the interview. And it always stuck with me. But I guess he really did that shit.

He isolated it. It wasn't just clever. That's a grimy. Don't ever trust a dude who loves the taste of poison. You know what I love? Tab. Tab by the case. Oh my god. That is greasy. Oh shit.

Hilarious. Let's just try to get his lean back. You know what I mean? Rockefeller. I mean, Jay-Z's still... Man, has there been... What's the best in the last three years Jay-Z-verse? Oh, the joint he did. Drug Dealers Anonymous?

Drug Dealers Anonymous wasn't terrible, except for the Damn Daniel reference, which does not age well. No. I can get it. It bums me out because Jay usually has the foresight to be like, I just, ah, the best in the last three years? Yeah. I just, the best in the last three years? Yeah. Okay, Jay-Z, he had this song with Kanye called The Joy.

And it might be longer than three years. Was that a good Friday? It was a good Friday. Oh, I remember that one. And to me, Jay's verse on that shit, it's just the illest. That's within the last five or so. Oh, dude. But that's okay. I mean, my last favorite Jay-Z was honestly so appalled.

That was good. I liked the Brooklyn We Go Hard. Oh, Brooklyn We Go Hard was good. Oh, Brooklyn... That was really good. The Jackie Robinson, I Jack, I Rob, I Sin. Yeah. Yeah.

I hated, though, that they... I hated the commercial for that movie. Did you see the commercial for 42? There's a commercial that you would see when you went to the movies, and it was just like Jackie running into the home base and just like, Brooklyn, we go hard. And then he like jumps on the base and he's like, I'm a Brooklyn boy. And you're just like, oh, boy.

That sounds really bad. It was real whack. You're from Pasadena. Yeah. Rockefeller is an excellent pick. Rockefeller had to do it. Shout out to Freeway's halal cart beard. That's a good looking beard. Shout out to Freeway's Halal Cart beard. That's a good looking beard.

Shout out to Beanie. The beard no mustache is like a, that's an interesting look. It's a statement. It's a straight through to Islam look. Yeah, it really is. How about Freeway Ricky Ross having his name split up

and turned into two different rappers? I mean, Freeway about freeway ricky ross like having his name split up and turned into two different rappers you know i mean freeway is named negligible but like right as far as like a famous rapper rick ross is on and they both got big beards yeah that's weird as shit does freeway ricky ross have a big beard yeah that's how they pick he's like one of those guys we got a regular freeway ricky ross will like bum you out yeah oh how they pick? He's like one of those guys. Freeway Ricky Ross will bum you out. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like listening to DMX now.

He does a lot of interviews where he's playing tennis. Freeway? No, Rick Ross. Oh, the actual Freeway Ricky Ross. I just saw a picture of him on a horse. Freeway Ricky Ross. Richard Ross, the drug dealer. Oh, Richard.

Yeah, the guy from LA. He's just playing tennis. Just out there playing tennis. Oh, but he was a tennis phenom. Yeah, he was. He was like a prodigy. Yeah, but he'll invite the reporters to play tennis with him. Amazing.

Which I'm jealous of. Man. That's great. What's with L.A. black people being so good at tennis? It's the weather. You can play all year. Okay. You can play all year.

It must be, right? I guess. It's a good game. Shout out to tennis. Shout out to Venus. Yeah. But not Serena. Serena just got married, right? She's about to get married.

To not a rapper. To a guy from Reddit. He's the founder of Reddit. Really? Yeah. Anthony Fantano. Can you believe it? I didn't see it.

Shout out to that dude for locking it down. Serena Fantano sounds like a tennis player. It sounds like an Italian soda. Serena Fantano. I didn't see it. He invented it. Shout out to that dude for locking it down. Serena Fantano sounds like a tennis player. It sounds like an Italian soda. Serena Fantano. It sounds like a venue, but one of those shady Glendale Armenian separate clubs. I'm playing Serena Fantano tonight. I'm going to a party at the Serena Fantano. That place is open.

They let you bring knives in. It's BYO everything. BYO cutlery. Excellent. On the heels of Rockefeller, Jeff Weiss, it is your turn to pick a rap click. I am pleased to find it still available with the number 30 pick, The Dungeon Family. Goddamn. Great call.

That is so good. I knew that. I knew that. It was still on the board. with the number 30 pick, The Dungeon Family. God damn. Great call. That is so good. I knew that. I knew that. It was still on the board. There was a few that I knew were going to go up top. Obviously, OutKast. Big Gip.

Yeah. You can't talk about Dungeon Family without Slim Cutta Calhoun. Yeah, Slim Cutta. I'll start with Slim Cutta Calhoun because it's okay. It's a very zen song. Nobody gives that song credit

for being one of the best songs ever it's okay oh man and that video is good great video Andre the 3000 is like a catapult it's like an Alice in Wonderland

yeah man I love that you know who I love from Dungeon remember the video my favorite video they had was the Watch for the Hook video oh

one of the greatest rap songs oh man cool breeze and there's so many great so many great Watch for the Hook yeah amazing and Black Ice on the second Goody Mob Oh, this is one of the greatest rap songs I've ever heard. Oh, man. Cool breeze. And they had so many great – Pretty cool. So many great – Watch for the hook. Yeah.

Amazing. And Black Ice on the second Goody Mob album. Second Goody Mob album. Incredible, like, posse cut, which that's – you know, those – they don't have that many of those anymore. Like, you don't really have, like, a group that – and for me, like, it was – even the Dungeon Family album is really good. And you've got to say, like, you think about, obviously, OutKast, Goody Mob, but then they produced Killer Mike, too. Yeah. You know?

I mean, Low-Ke Loki Future came out of there. Yeah, definitely. I didn't know that. Did you watch the Organized Noise documentary? Yeah. Headline, like, man, that is, what do you think, here's my question, or in general, I guess, for all you guys. Because rap crews never seem to, like, blow on the level that they should. Yeah.

But, like, with one like like that it's where it's like completely on what happened why did that not why didn't everybody from organized why don't why isn't big gip like a household name even in the rap community well sila i mean look how big silo left and then but that's because he that's because this is niles barkley i feel like no it's before that it was because the third goatee mob album is with one monkey don't stop the show but then he left but do you feel like that no that's actually the fourth one because the third one was world part world but like him now this world party google the cover is it a pecking order thing is that like who gets the beats and like i don't know you know when you

watch the documentary what they point to is that when Rico and them actually went to Interscope and they didn't know how to market them is when it fucked them up. Right. You can have the ultimate product, but if the company don't know what to do with it, if they pick the wrong single, if they put it out at the wrong time. Especially back then because they were repping for the whole South. Right. That was like Southern rap wasn't like a thing. Yeah. So like then there's two other things that I would say put them because they're probably – even though I think Native Tongues is probably arguably as good as the greatest rap crew.

The first Witch Doctor album is incredible, like SWAT, a healing ritual. A lot of people haven't heard it. But it's like voodoo, gumball. I think I heard it like once or twice at a time. It's amazing. It's like a powerful like southern record like Red Clay. Like very like, you know. Yeah.

He really, it sounds like a witch doctor made it. And also I think to be a great rap click you need like a weird pseudo poetic deep voice guy. Like how Wu-Tang had Papa Wu.

Yeah. Big Rube. Pretty great. Oh yeah. You're right 100%. You need that. And that's why Future connects. So he's not only on the second,

he's on the second Dungeon Family album. Future under the name, I think – what was his name? It was Meathead. Future was named Meathead at the time. Future was? Awesome. Future was Meathead, which is great because he had a big head.

Yeah, big movie star head. And everyone has a friend who has a big head and Future was Meathead. But Big Rube, he's deep. He also follows me on Twitter Which is like the greatest thing Everyone has like one random Twitter follower person Where it's like I'm convinced they all think I'm Biz Markie Yeah yeah yeah

It's like Nina Cherry And I'm convinced She has no idea who I am She definitely thinks it's a Biz Markie I have Ira Glass who follows like 200 people And somehow I'm one of them I don't get it at all And Jeannie Buss the daughter That and Jeannie Buss, the daughter of the-

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, Jeannie Buss is cool. I got Michael Vicente. He beat me up in a parking lot one time. Like regionally, it's- Not famous, but huge in my world. Regionally, it's a big deal. I just caught a George Clinton follow.

That was very exciting. Whoa. Very, very exciting. George Clinton is very cool. Man. I wonder what it's like inside that guy's head. Dude, he's in the new Fung Lotus movie, and he's hilarious. Is he?

Yeah. He has to be hilarious. You saw it already? Yeah. Look at you. Some aluminum. No, no. I think he was more like, he's like, please give me that.

Yeah. It's actually really good. Is it good? Yeah. Bus Driver's incredible in it. Bus Driver. I really good is it good yeah bus driver's incredible in it bus driver I love bus driver he's incredible in it

I don't want to ruin the kind of but he bus driver blocked me on twitter for this oh no and it broke

all my I love bus driver I love project blow I love all that shit and it breaks my heart what the fuck happened I think he was in I think he might have been cranky that day.

He was, like, it was a day that I follow him. Oh, I think I saw this. I'm a big fan. It was a day that Michael Jordan had donated, like, $2 million to a black charity. Oh, yeah. And then he had also donated $2 million to a police charity. Oh, I didn't know that. So Michael Jordan, he's straight up a villain. He's a villain. million to a police charity. Oh, I didn't know that. So Michael Jordan, he's straight up a villain.

He's a villain. He's a bad guy. We thought Republicans buy shoes, too, is the worst thing they did ever, but he's such a bad dude. Those jeans are really bad, though. Those jeans are awful. Terrible pants. Yeah. And also the –

But also the fives. Also the jeans with a G because neither of his kids are that good at basketball. Yeah. I think his is a – it's a personality trait bus driver was was was talking about how like uh i i forget what it was but for some reason he was bringing up michael jordan and never like donating money like how come michael jordan never blah blah blah and i was like oh he actually did and i sent him the link and he's like what is this supposed to make me feel better and i was like wow no i don't know yeah i was like oh no no no i should have just

walked away from my but i wanted to fix it i was like oh no i just thought it was interesting and it was like oh so you think it's interesting that like like like so you want to like like he thought i was trying to invalidate his point but i was just like maybe he didn't see that this had happened so funny and like i felt fellas i felt fucking awful about it now i'm going to send this podcast to og mako and bus and please send it now i'm going to send this podcast to og mako and bus and please send the bus driver too you have direct lines to og make we need him back the loneliest punk was like one of my like i've i just i'm fuck with bus driver in a huge way

that was what that was that was fat? Don't send it to him! Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What am I thinking of? Can you send it to Fatlip? Send this to Fatlip, actually, now. God damn. As I was saying it, what am I thinking of? What album am I thinking of?

Oh, God. Oh, Roadkill Overcoat. Jesus Christ. It's hard because usually in my circles, I'm the most well-versed in rap. You know what? I deserve it. I deserve it. I deserve to be blocked and by Fat Lip. You're never gonna get

that follow back. I'm gonna... No, I'm out of Bus Driver's life forever. And especially now. Jesus Christ. I remember when I heard Imaginary Places though, and that was like a seminal moment for me. That one where he like raps over that. So good. Anyway, he doesn't need me in his life.

And I can still listen to his music. You don't know that. You're a good friend. You come on the podcast. No, you guys should make up. I would love to make. But now I have to apologize for two things. That's right.

Fuck. God damn it. I'm embarrassed. dungeon family's dope though huh yeah great outcast pretty good at music actually there uh did you see big boy uh like had like an out had the outcast logo on new year's day and kind of insinuating that there will be another outcast album which is we'll see oh no man here's the thing yeah i thought that andre 3000 also going to save the world. And I don't ever feel like he delivered what I thought.

I thought it was going to be like albums on. You know what I mean? Yeah. There was a time when we thought he was going to be the guy. Well, Tropic Thunder was okay. Semi-pro movie? He was in it. Semi-pro, yeah.

In the walking out movies as well. I fucked it up again. Semi-pro. There He was in it. Semi-pro, yeah. In the Walk It Out movies as well. I fucked it up again. Semi-pro. There are the tropics in it. Jesus Christ. Man, sorry to interrupt you. It's falling apart over here. Reference game slightly off.

More than slightly. It's just completely one notch. It's adjacent. One notch adjacent. One notch adjacent. They're called the tropics. Downtown Funky Stuff stuff malone was that that was his name

in that movie I'm not even gonna pretend to guess now cause I'll fuck it up I just mean and then we thought he was gonna be an actor and he did that

Mark Wahlberg movie he did like the get shorty sequel yeah bro I thought like we wanted so much for you like I thought he was gonna be

the fake Jimi Hendrix it's like Janet Jorm from like 30 for all movies no license he if you put together his guest verses for you like i thought the fake jimmy hendrix judge it's like janet jorm from like yeah yeah he if you put together his guest verses though from the last five years yeah but there's not enough of them is what i'm saying there's not like yeah like it's like i don't know i think honestly and this is gonna sound crazy i think erica badu's womb might be a curse let's see Let's see.

Let's see. Okay. My friend wrote an article about Baduism. Like, if you get Baduism, it's all over. I think you can get it. It's Andre 3000. Andre 3000. The DOC.

The DOC. Oh, no. Jay Electronica. Yeah. Where's Electronica at? We miss you. Common. Common.

You make a basketball movie? Basketball movies. Basketball movies. Play the FIFA. Common's doing okay. Come on. I used to love her! We need to expect more out of these people.

I think it's just you peak. If you date Erykah Badu, I don't know, as a young black man, I can't think of a better thing that could... If you were like, hey, would you rather be the president or date Erykah Badu for eight months? I'd rather date Erykah Badu for eight months. I think that date Erykah Badu for eight months.

I think that's the top of – Post-Obama for sure. Oh, yeah. I think that's the top of the thing. So like you date Erykah Badu. What more ambitious – what else am I going to do? I climbed Everest and – That's what I feel like with Andre 3000.

I feel like he's not motivated to make a project. For sure. He's done everything you can fucking do. My favorite – like one of the most interesting things about him was I feel like he's not motivated to make a project. For sure. Because he's done everything you can fucking do. My favorite, like one of the most interesting things about him was I feel like, did you ever hear the story about when he played Coachella? Were you at that Coachella with the first outcast? No, I've never been to a Coachella. Oh, when everybody was like, there was like outrage because a lot of kids were like,

who's outcast? Well, not even that. It was like that was part of it, but then they played and I saw it. I was there. I thought it was great, but everyone was like, man, that was terrible because they were expecting the myth of Andre. They were expecting the funky, happy Andre 3000 cartoon hey-ya hour. Yeah. But if you listen to OutKast from Southern Playlistic, especially AT Aliens.

AT Aliens is my favorite. It's my favorite one. Or actually, I really got to spot my heart for Equemini. I'm an Equemini guy. I got to spot my heart for Equemini. Yeah, I mean, they're amazing. But it's all, yeah, it's all incredible. But so he, they basically, like, and then, I guess, Prince talked to him.

And was Prince's just like, just give them what they want. Play the hits. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it was like, and that to me was interesting. Because I feel, and I think that, if I had to, like, play, like, amateur Freudian, that's part of the disconnect with Andre. Because he's this pretty profound artist. I hate to use that word.

But he, I mean, he made some of the greatest. He made some of the greatest art Andre because he's a pretty profound artist. I hate to use that word but he made some of the greatest art ever, right? And he kind of got imprisoned, I think, by Hey Ya, you know, in people's expectations of him. That's what I hate is when a great rapper goes big off of some shit that's not them. I think Hey Ya is definitely

a thing that should be in his repertoire but that shouldn't be what brings you to Andre. Do you think Hale was heat-seeking, or him experimenting with... I think he was experimenting, and he just hit the nail on the head. He recorded that five years prior. Did he really? Okay, perfect.

I think he was just doing some other shit. He saw that thing you do, and he was like, I can do that. I mean, honestly, it's four chords. You know what I mean? It's four chords chords and a great hook and a great concept and he fucking nailed it he killed it

it's so great incredible come on shake it like a Polaroid picture also like one of the songs I love because it's like it fools dumb people

like because everyone's like oh it's a happy song it's like that is the most depressing it's like why people can't stay married yo that song is really the song is sad as shit

people don't give a fuck about white songs. They don't listen to the words. It's like swimming pools. They're like, drink. And you're like, it's a song about horrible alcoholism. Yo, when I see people take shots to that song, I'm like, dude, this dude is hurting. It's hard for him. Yeah, it's like watching Leaving Las Vegas and playing a drinking game around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that proves, too, how racist shit is. People don't even listen to rap. Yeah. Like, people listen to rap, but they don't, like, listen. It takes me. I hate that I just said that. I know what you mean, though.

But, like, you know what I mean? I have to admit, it takes me, with a song I really like, it takes me a couple. Because first I get entranced just by the entire sonic quality of it. Because rap is so cool sonically. Yeah. I think future i think is a perfect example because everyone's like oh do it lean and you're like this guy's gonna die like this guy this is his sad cry same with the weekend yeah people are like playing star boy and you listen to that song you're like oh no not again you just pray for cars that's like fucked up that song's great though yeah it is good really i hate that song i like it i like it i like it i just like but i like the rhythm of it i mean the weekend always

bums me out though yeah it's something depressing about him i'm not a huge weekend but i like the hits yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean everything he says is real his already his art pre pre-hype shit was like sad too right yeah yeah i think there's like a lot of people right now who rap about like the trappings of fame yeah you know or just like like that's a common theme in like pop culture stuff right now yeah because that's like what drake is right drake is like it's hard to blow up it's it's relationships from when before he was famous yeah trying to like navigate that post fame yeah 50 cent said something on the drink champs podcast that i was listening to he said america loves uh uh to see somebody who like

might not make it like the idea of like do they have the tools and can they intake all the information enough to change with the what their frame needs to and america loves that and i think that's like that's what all those guys are doing. Yeah. Well, we are. I mean, it's kind of like that now there's that second. It's like all the people who are hype are now fully famous. Yeah.

We have that different level of. Which is like, you don't realize that you get older with these people? Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like, that's where I'm at. Like, I'm about to turn 30, and I'm just realizing. I, like, grew up with these guys. So, like, Jay-Z, like, if you talk to my little brother, who's, like. Like, that's where I'm at. Like, I'm about to turn 30, and I'm just realizing I, like, grew up with these guys.

So, like, Jay-Z, like, if you talk to my little brother, who's, like, 14, Jay-Z's like an old man. Yeah. But to me, I'm like, no, he's, like, the slickest dude out. Like, what are you talking about? And then you realize, no, it's because I started listening while I was young. He's Bon Jovi. Yeah. Yeah.

He's an old, disconnected, rich dude. I'm your aunt in a fucking Van Halen t-shirt with no bra at the barbecue. That's who I am listening to Jay-Z right now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. Just smoking cigarettes telling you about how rad 05 was. And now Jay-Z's Lil Yachty. Yeah, now fucking, yeah, because they're beyond all that fuck shit.

I'm that fuck shit. Yeah. And one day Lil Yachty will be fuck shit. Yeah. I mean, probably tomorrow. No, I like that song. It'll be a computer that raps. Itachty will be fuck shit. Yeah. I mean, it's probably tomorrow. No, I like that song. And it'll be a computer that raps. That's going to be a rap.

In this day and age? No. Excellent. The Dungeon Family is such an excellent pick. Don't give me too much credit. That was any idiot could have picked. I know. But I appreciate it.

I was going to be that idiot. I was like, I'm taking it. It's going to be gone. Big Gip. I need to talk about Slim Cuttacal. I think Big Gip didn't blow because he's so goofy looking. Yeah. And he kind of tried to do that.

The singles were hot, though. They were. We're stepping out with Sleepy Brown. You remember that song? I do. I love Sleepy Brown. That song was great. That song was pretty good.

That song was pretty good. Cujo was great. Yeah, Cujo was great. He was kind of dressing like Andre 3000, but looked kind of good. He wasn't a specimen. If you're going to do that, you've got to be handsome. Big Ip's not very handsome. Cujo lost a leg. Oh, really?

Cujo has one leg. Diabetes? I don't know what the hell it was, but he has like a liverbeak. The little silver stump down there. He's got the Lieutenant Dan. Yep. He's got the Lieutenant Dan. Lieutenant Dan.

Magic legs. Cujo did an album Actually with Gennaro Jarrell Really Yeah like 7 or 8 years ago It was actually pretty good 6 years ago Wow

So close to the JJ Doom thing Yeah it was before that Wow It was like 5 pretty good songs Yeah so I mean I don't know

They're the best 5 good songs on a rap album I think is Good enough That's good That's what I shoot for When I make them 5 good songs 5 or rap album, I think, is good enough. That's good. That's what I shoot for when I make them. Five good songs?

Yeah. Five or six? We got a five. In a fucking bag. Now let's make four bullshit. You know what I mean? You try your best. You know what I mean?

And now I'm just going to read the Old Spaghetti Factory's menu over a break. In an hour-long set, I want to do four hot jokes. Okay. I'm good. Over a patchy. If I'm doing an hour of jokes, yeah, I want like four real hot jokes. That's right. Four jokes to make you think.

Ten pulls. Yeah, ten pulls. Ten pulls. You need some ten pulls. Exactly. There's some filler. There's always going to be some filler. And maybe some goofy shit in between for heads.

Like, really. Yeah, the goofy shit is for the heads. Yeah. Let me tell you about this time in Texas. My pick for the heads is the final pick of the first round. And, God, I feel weird doing this because all the ones that went off are, like, legendary, just fucking, like, ensconced in history. But I'm going to take good music as my pick. That's on my list.

That's good. Nice. I think that's a solid. I don't think there's been a lot of clicks with, like, when they came out. Man, I'm such a douchebag because I really believe in all these crews. Yeah. Like they're all friends and hanging out. Yeah.

What was, remember the Sprite freestyles? Which ones? On the BET Awards. The BET. Oh, yeah. The Cyphers. Yeah, the Cyphers. Oh, man, the first time I heard like the too many articles on your team, that's why you

win, slow. Yeah. It was so good. They were all wearing tuxedos. They were so good. Yeah. Who was that? Sy High the Prince? Who said that? I'm going to. That was Kanye. That was Kanye?. It was so good. They were all wearing tuxedos. They were so good. Yeah. Who was that? Sy High the Prince?

Who said that? I'm going to. That was Kanye. That was Kanye? But that was a verse. That popped up in Fantasy. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There was some. Yeah, Sy High the Prince was one of the guys. Sy High made a. Did you hear that song he made last year about kidnapping Kanye and making him put his album out? I did. Yeah. It was so great. I didn't hear that.

It was so great. Because he got signed to Good Music and then has been slept on and they keep not putting his album out. Understandably. He's not good at music. Yeah. That's fine. I'm sorry.

Bye. I'll go on. I'm not a good music fan. I mean, honestly, I think they're disqualified because of Theophilus London. Oh, yeah. Is he with them? I didn't even know that. I mean, what do you...

You think they're DQ'd? We have to make... Everybody's got some silly gooses in their crew. No, I feel like my problem... We all got some key wands. My problem with Kanye is beyond the fact that he is sort of Donald Trump, which kind of when he endorsed Donald Trump, but he only signs people that are just like him. And so Big Sean is just like Kanye's mini-me.

Theophilus London, Kanye's mini-me. Cy High, Kanye's mini-me. It's just like Kanye's mini-me. The Office London. Kanye's mini-me. Psy High. Kanye's mini-me. Mr. Hudson. Kanye's mini-me. Not Pusha. No, not Pusha.

Pusha's good. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta like Pusha. Yeah, my favorite MC, Pusha T, which is kind of why I had him. And I still like Kanye. I still, man. Kanye makes good albums, too. I said he still makes good albums.

I try to go hard on him, and I try to get mad, and then I go back and I listen to Graduation. I can't do it. No, yeah, this guy has a piece of my heart. He's like, I always thought I was... Amazing. You're always going to love your ex. I've been able to separate myself from, like, Woody Allen, where I'm like, no, he's a scumbag, you know? Yeah.

And, like, all that stuff. But, like, the Kanye separating the art from the artist thing, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm fine with that. I can absolutely do it. I'm with you, Hunter. Yeah. It's, like, too much stuff. Too much stuff that, like, hit me in my heart to not fully. Well, Kanye, he hasn't fully hurt somebody yet.

I don't think he has. Yeah. I think he's fine. You can disagree with him and shit. I think he's self-destructing. He's a victim. I mean, he's partially his own fault, but he's a victim of fame, I think. All the way his own fault.

Yeah. Yeah. All the way his own fault. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I feel like I give him credit because I'm like, your mom died. Yeah. It's sad.

Like, she was really young. Well, you did. His mom died, and then he sought family into the Kardashians. I really think it's part Kim Kardashian is, like, an amazing-looking person, and that's, like, a big, strong family. Yeah. And when that falls away, I feel like that can be a very attractive thing to someone. I also think he was chasing Jay-Z vapers on that on that yeah like jay-z made this move and like paired

himself yeah what you know what i mean oh yeah yeah and he was like i feel like kanye's always wanted the jay approval right sure that's why they're like not hanging out with his kids thing is like fucked up or whatever yeah and i think he was like he was trying to make that move it was just but it was like it was a much different he shouldn't yeah no go ahead i was like – he was trying to make that move. It was just – but it was like – it was much different. I shouldn't – Yeah, no, go ahead. I was like I shouldn't say this story in the air, but whatever. I won't say who said it. But it was like that was apparently I heard a story once from a pretty reliable source where like I guess after Jay dated Beyonce, they were like touring.

And then someone was around there and Kanye was like, so Beyonce's sister is Solange. What do you think about us kind of – and then Jay apparently I heard, was like, I don't think so. He's kind of funny. Oh, man. Because it's like, do you think – I'm fascinated by the question of what does Beyonce think about Drake and what does Beyonce think about Kanye? Yeah, that is a good – because I want – Drake is ridiculous. The closest – yeah. The Beyonce – because you have when kanye's

on the stage you have that famous cutaway to be beyonce going like oh kanye like that kind of thing where i think it almost is like a little bit like my my younger knucklehead cousin sort of thing i think that's how he treats him for sure yeah did you see i think it was i don't forget which award show that was but like the year after or the next big award show, Kanye did his thing where he acted like he was going to go on stage and he sat back down. He did. The thing to look at in that footage is Jay-Z and Beyonce's fucking faces. Oh, really? Because they are like, no.

And it's the most genuine emotional reaction you've ever seen. He didn't let them in on the joke. No, he certainly didn't. Yeah. I think he's's like, yeah, I think he's just like the wild young one, and they're like... The Pablo tour was so good.

Yeah, you went. I went to two of them. And he wasn't crazy at either one of them. I saw him in Vegas and in one of the ones in L.A. that was just good. And in Vegas, he was... He probably is manic depressive, and he was full-bl blown manic at the Vegas one

and it was amazing he was so happy Jesus wasn't I mean I like Kanye but I wouldn't call myself a huge Kanye

he's one of the best rap shows I've ever seen yeah he puts on an amazing concert and those Hudson Mohawk beats

when the fucking like in a concert venue are like I bet they'll switch your organs around it's crazy i mean you

gotta give him credit too for because like uh he whereas i feel like drake kind of minds like the underground to kind of take whatever he knows is gonna be the most popular yeah uh kanye will find the stuff that he is like the ardiest you know what i mean the stuff that yeah yeah like dj dodger stadium are kind of you know i've been covering them for a long time and he picked them to make like beats like fade or like a lot of beats on this new album. And they're like some underground, they have this label called body high, like some underground LA shit, like sampling actually a lot of Chicago house. So I'm sure Kanye heard that.

Yeah. But you know, props to him for like finding the right people. It doesn't seem sinister. Like it does. It's not. No, it's really like he, he, and I, you know, I talked to them about like working with Kanye and they're like, you know, he was great to work with. He listened to all of our input.

He asked everyone in the room. He might have taken everyone's opinions, but he actually really wanted to solicit opinions and listen and kind of figure out what works for him. I believe that. I think Drake might be a bad guy, but I don't think Kanye's a bad guy. No, he's – yeah. Poor Moji with the dance moves. With the dance moves. Pusha T's fucking dope as fuck too and he's got good music I love Pusha cause

he's perfected the art of sounding like a mean person he sounds so mean and he's not mean you can hear it's like put on but it's so fucking effective have you guys watched the clips of the Malice documentary I haven't yet I don't know about that

is it just Christian propaganda that's what you would think but it really doesn't I haven't. I don't know about that. Is it just Christian propaganda? No, I know. That's what you would think, but he really doesn't go that hard into it. Okay, cool. But at one point, they're talking, him and Pusha are just playing basketball. They're talking to Pusha, and he's like, yeah. They're talking about rapping shit, and Pusha's like, I've been rapping forever. I know it's all fake.

I know that nobody owns these cars or they don't do anything. And that's how I deal with it. And you're like, oh, you're like a smart, good guy. Yeah, yeah, he gets it. He gets the game. You're like a rap journeyman. He had one of my favorite rap lines ever, which is like, is it something when a platinum

rapper's mother lives in squalor? Mildred's in the Bahamas for a month. What he's talking about is sending his mom to the Bahamas for a month he's like pushing things like a good yeah i just i was like yeah i can relate to that i mean there's some definitely some authenticity there you'd hear stories like that their grandmother was like actually like in it and yeah i'm just always a big fan of rappers that can like be like like he how can you think of that many puns about cocaine right that is hard it's like young dro it's like are a Crayola box in real life with hard numbers. I am so glad that you said Young Dro.

He never gets what he deserves. I think he's pimpin' and leanin' in salamander sandals. Yeah. Grand Hustle, an underrated rap group. Might not make this list because Iggy Zay will throw it off. But Playboy Trey, another great rapper that never got his due. Man, Grand Hustle was good for T.I. I like T.I., man.

Yeah. I'm sorry. You're a serpentine draft. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, John Legend, a member of Good Music. You know. That's right. And America loves John Legend.

I give him mostly his credit for Chrissy Teigen. Yeah. They're a great couple. They are a great couple. I have to love them. I also want to say about Pusha T real quick. When I worked on Chelsea Lately, we had a bunch of rappers on including drake and like would come on and uh took a picture with push i took a picture with i freaked out at my house good i just i

remember that it made it yeah i was literally sitting in my office and like there was a production meeting happening down the hall and like people were reading the chelsea potential guests for the show to see if she had any interest in them coming on and i heard uh there's this rapper with an album coming up push a t and i like like when a dog hears a can opener i was like what and i ran over i've been working there maybe two weeks like i hadn't been there long and i ran over and i was like you should have push a t on he's really good his next album is going to be really big and I was like, you should have Pusha T on. He's really good. His next album's gonna be really big. And it was as big as any Pusha T album. Yeah, was that like Fear or Rathic or what was it?

It was the... Two? Cod 2? Fuck. It was the one with that... God damn it. I'm not... I can't think of it. The Tim Kaine concept album. The Tim Kaine... I'll tell you right now which one it was. It was two albums ago. It was... Was that the one with Nostalgia on it?

Because that was my favorite song. That was a great song. My Name is My Name. Also that song with Popeyes with Cameron. Oh my god, Popular Demand? Oh man. Numbers on the board. I love that beat on Numbers on the Board.

Also, that Popeyes song, can we just say Pusha T calls out LeBron for having had sex with the same girl? Like that, bro? I had that a long time ago. Oh, man. Amazing. While LeBron was married. LeBron's been married for like 12 years. He started losing his hair when he was 15.

Going down. When he was 28. Sorry. What a horrible person. Fucking good. Yeah. But Pusha, so he came on the show. Every other rapper who'd ever been on the show, gigantic click. You know, like you But Pusha, so he came on the show. Every other rapper

who'd ever been on the show, gigantic click. You know, like you would. Drake had like four SUVs. He brought the entire OVO, like Beans was there. Who are the OVO? OVO Brian, I mean.

There's like that 40 guy. Eight versions of Motion, Jordan, rotating like Winuto. Yeah, 40's the guy in... It's 40 who does the beats, right? Yeah. But like,

I don't know anybody in OVO. I don't know an OVO song. O.B. O'Brien was there, like, that white dude with the beard who's in the videos. But Pusha came alone with a publicist. It was him and his publicist, and that was it. That's what I mean. That guy gets it. And he was so nice.

I walked into the room, and he was just, like, such a nice dude. And, like, they didn't all have to be nice, you know? They could have been jerks because I was just some writer, like, hey, I get a picture. And he was so dope, man. Hey, man. Love Pushy. That picture blew up at Sylvan House. We were talking about it.

It was felt all up and down the West Coast, all the problems. Yeah, you made waves. So, with my second pick, I'm going to go with another fairly new one, since, oh, shit. Am I? Yeah, I am. I'm going to take TDE. I'm going to take the Black Hippie Crew. That's a solid pick.

I fucking love it. They haven't really put out anything bad yet. Nope. In my opinion. Absol is hitting right now. There's a lot I don't like. That's just me personally. There's some songs in there. There's stuff I enjoy and all.

I really enjoyed Schoolboy's last album. Schoolboy's last album was fucking awesome. Schoolboy's great. I loved it. Kendrick's stuff, obviously. Everything from like... I'm a big... What were you going to say, Jeff?

I'm a big Isaiah Rashad fan. Isaiah Rashad is great. Isaiah Rashad is great. Isaiah Rashad is great. Yeah, TD is solid. I love him. I wish... I almost wish that Kendrick would try to make bangers the way that Schoolboy makes bangers,

because I love a Kendrick banger. And it doesn't happen all that often. I think he's just not there right now. I don't think he cares about it. And good for him. Yeah, I think that's just, like, not where he's at right now. He doesn't need to make albums for Ian Carmel. But I love when he makes a song for me every now and then.

Like, Backseat Freestyle is the kind of stuff where, like, if you put that on, I could punch a car in half. Yeah. That says a milli. Yeah, it is. It is a milli for sure. Everything about it. Every time he puts an album out, I keep looking for that next one of those. He just hasn't really done it, but again, fine.

You know, fine. Black of the Berry was kind of... I'm waiting for Cartoons and Cereal. That was my favorite. That was a crazy song. Which one? That's because I'm an asshole that has no commercial sensibilities. But I like an eight-minute art rap song. You know what I mean? And I don't know if you – it was with Gunplay too. Yo, Gunplay is a savage.

Gunplay is crazy. Man, what's that video where he's – Five on the Dash? Yes! Oh, man, that thing is like – that's like – Yeah, Gunplay may have done cocaine once or twice. Maybe. It's quite possible.

He also might have sold a tiny bit. I was watching an interview with him, and he was, like, fishing. And he's just, like, talking real casually. He's like, yeah, man, if I look in your face and you're not a, he's like, I'll look you in the face. And if you're not a wolf, I'm going to eat you. And then he just keeps fishing. Did you ever hear him on Drink jams when he was talking about how he got out of his case where he was on video oh yeah pistol whipping his lawyer it was accountant

i think his account which is yo as a jew i have to make the difference he said honestly you want me to tell y'all how i got out of it i got out of it doing voodoo i was killing chickens and shit what gunplay gunplay. Gunplay. Practice a Santeria and it has a crystal ball. That dude is so scary. Yo, I'm like, cause I'm like, I'm getting older so I'm not like scared of rappers anymore. But I'm like scared of gunplay. Gunplay's for real. I'm scared of any rapper with a face tattoo.

Even one. I'm scared. I'm scared of any person with a gun tattoo. I'm afraid of Gucci Mane still, but it's like a reverence. Yeah, I hear you. It's a different kind of fear. Career accomplishment. If he can fix can fix it we could all fix it him on that bike is the best thing wasn't that a great picture him on that bike he's the only one that won 2016 yeah he is fresh out the feds oh god how do you get a six pack coming out of it he had a six pack and like beautiful veneers beautiful veneer. You get dentals free in prison.

Nice. That was out of pocket. I read it. Shout out to my boy. Shout out to Cody Bush. Gucci went out of pocket on the veneers, though. I read an interview. Oh, really?

Yeah, $20,000. It looks good, though. Yeah, it looks so good. It got him on NPR. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. He's on NPR. I think he had a great tiny desk.

I didn't see it, but I saw that it happened And I was like bravo You know the best part about his tiny desk Is actually Zaytoven on the piano That's the funnest part to watch about him All time great rap name too Zaytoven? Do you ever see his movies?

Like Weed Man? No Weed Man 2? I've only seen Weed Man 3. I jump in around 3. First you're bullshit. They found their voice. Commercial dribble.

I love Black Hippie. I mean, Kendrick is one of the most gifted MCs right now. Just so good at it. They're like a basketball. They have the people who play their roles roles and they play their roles really well. Shout out to No Can Do. He once called them a boy band. A boy band?

Because they were handpicked ultimately. I mean props to Top Dog for – Yeah, I guess so. They're not together like that. Well, I guess what it was was Kendrick and Absol knew each other I think because they were both like rappity rap guys. Right. And J-Rock was pretty much just a gangster from watts and he i think uh i think top knew him from kind of that play you know from watts and then uh uh schoolboy q was just sort of i think all he knew ali because he played the engineer who because

he played football with him at west la college yeah and then he kind of brought him in and he was like a you know gangster from uh hoover who went to west uh both ali and and uh schoolboy went to west la college for like a year. Get out. That shit is like down a block from you. He played football there. I was like, were you like a running back? He's like, I was a wide receiver. He's like, I used to be skinny. I saw a picture

of him when he was like 18 one time. He looks terrifying. Schoolboy seems like a real wild card. That's why I like him. Yeah, he is, right? He's like a true maniac. He looks, yeah, he's got a little face tattoo. I went around South Central with him once, like, talking about, like yeah he is right he's like a true mania he looks yeah he's got a little face tattoo i went around south central with him once like talking about like the places where he like would get shot or like you know i mean like where it was like crazy things and it was like it was not it's not an act you know you can tell he would be like he was like that's the shoes for

less he's like we robbed that motherfucker blind you know it was like stuff like that he robbed the shoes for less yeah yeah you should rob a footlocker i mean it was i think it was like not armed robbery but it was more like a clever oh yeah like in the beginning of the wash yeah oh were they going and leave the old shoes yeah i've always wanted to pull that sean jordan podcast veteran um yeah you gotta hit your other pick we are like i know i hit them both it's on uh Sean Jordan, podcast veteran, definitely has done that. You got to hit your other pick. We are like – I know. I hit them both.

It's on – We might go for – this might be a four-rounder. I understand. Because we have a lot to say. This might be – and there's not that many good rap clicks. So this might be – we'll make the call after the third round, but we'll see. Jeff Weiss, it is time for your second pick. I'm going.

All right. Okay. Hold on. I thought we were going. Yeah, I'm going to go with – we should probably make – it's hard because you're like, well, it's the difference between a label and a click because it's like one of those interesting conversations. True. Because it's like is Hypnotized Minds a label or a –

Man. And I would say probably a label. Really? I would say probably a label. But like did you ever watch Hollywood? Oh, the Three Six Mafia show where they go to – Lil White was hanging out. Project Pat was hanging out project pat was hanging out all right well you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna take one off the off the table because i don't think it's gonna necessarily get picked but i'm gonna go with

but i think they probably deserve credit the screwed up click from houston oh man that shit was huge for me in high school. That was like, remember Controversy Cells? Yes. The Paul Wall Chameleon Air mixtape? With like the ripped, like the picture of them on the cover, but it was like ripped. I think they were, I think Paul Wall and Chameleon were actually Swishahouse. Technically they were Swishahouse. They were Swishahouse.

And then, okay, that's fair. Well, I was just in Houston, so I'm like, I'm like fresh. But I just had a weird trip to Houston where they're like, uh all right you're gonna hang around in houston with paul wall zero and slim thug i was like oh man zero but zero i went to the screw screwed up tape shop with zero which really because it was i hate you it was yeah and it was honestly zero uh dj screw had the most this is what puts him over the top he had the most immaculate penmanship I saw that picture you got really they have the original whiteboard there and it's like DJ Screw wrote the first

it must have been 150 tapes that they put out and it's like beautiful calligraphy it's like tiny prints it's like office porn and then Zero looks at me and goes you can see when someone else took over and you're like yeah I actually can what's Zero like because he doesn't seem like he would be maybe the funnest guy he was like so we got he yeah he was uh he was

incredible i know in a way because he's just like uh there's a lot there's like he's like james bond like i'm like there are so like i interviewed you and you told me everything but you maybe told me eight percent of your life really yeah like you're like you probably have did he talk about his brother dougie d no he didn't he didn't he talked about trey a little bit though that is not a fun what are the what are the seminal works of the screwed up click for those people for the uninitiated i mean it would definitely be the screw tapes but also like big mo uh syrup is mr m o e the bar baby. Oh, yeah, that's incredible. Yo, that was like, in high school, Houston was like my shit. Is that Lil Flip, too?

Lil Flip. Yeah, he was the last member in Screwed Up. So it's like Big Pofi. 50-50 Lil Twin. Botany Boys, DJ Screw. The thing is, there's two waves. There's like ESG was in it, Fat Pat. Swangin' and bangin'.

Swangin' and bangin'. Lil Peaky, Southside. I know it was an amazing song. Southside was in it Fat Pat Swanging and Banging Swanging and Banging Little Kiki Southside I know is an amazing song Southside was in it Yeah They Because it's like Two waves of Eastern

But also like For me I think screwed music Is sort of rap music's dub Like it's like not Maybe it doesn't make sense And like for me The first time I heard it

I was like I don't understand this Why am I listening to Yeah Also the June 27th freestyle Is like maybe And that's like Maybe the other thing too. Like they're incredible freestylers.

Like all those albums were freestyle. I was going to say they were like, who's that dude? I twist your cap like a soda top. You know what I'm talking about? No. It was great. Yeah. Houston's great.

That shit was like, that's its own. And it's its own style. And they were like all independent and like. And like, you know, screw was like a very like he was like a deep hip-hop head too like his favorite rapper of all things was sebo from sacramento like oh really like sebo and kill a tay yeah yeah and he like he like if you listen to some of those screwtapes it's like dj quick chopped and screwed like he was listening to like all kinds of rap from all over the country and i think you can hear that in some of the houston

rappers because they have that they have that like they you know they grew up i think on the east coast i think a lot of rappers from that era grew up on these on the east coast style yeah because that was like what it was right because they yeah they really rap and i feel like houston and baton rouge like they really really like you have to be a good rapper and even like someone like riffraff who's probably descended from that the via switch i mean and they burst switch house yeah i think led to kind of not to say but like even riffraff who like a lot of people talk shit about, that guy's an amazing freestyler. Oh, is he? Yeah.

He can rap, yeah. Yeah, Swish House is Michael 5000 Watts, right? Yeah. OK. And then SUC is like – so that's – Screwed Up Click is like the originals. Screwed Up Click was the original one, yeah. Is Magno in Screwed Up Click or is he in – Who?

Magno? I don't know. I don't think so. I got – man. That text is – I'm'm so it's so weirdly there was like this place you're like deep into that yo there's a spot in the hood in colorado in aurora colorado there's a spot in this hood in the hood called angelos and they would get all the tapes from texas yeah and you would like you know you you put your neck out your wrist go

on that but you go and you get the tapes and And yeah, I used to listen to Gorillamab and all those guys. And I mean, Zero's incredible. Trey has amazing, great music. Trey's dope. Trey Restless is an incredible album. Big Tuck. Yeah, all that stuff. I mean, this shit is just incredible.

And if anyone's listening to this, you can still go there to Houston. And it's a crazy store because there's not that much in there. You know what I mean? But you can go in and you can buy almost any CD and a lot of old tapes still. That's so cool. And hoodies, T-shirts. And it's like they have a big screwed-up tapes mural. They have the old – it's the second location.

But it's still like – it's what you want because it doesn't feel – it's not like some gentrified recreation. Right, right, right. It is. And it's like in a little strip mall. It's like – and the crazy thing about about Houston is you have to drive everywhere. It feels very infinite. And it makes sense, I think, that kind of music when you're in a place like that where it's so expansive because the music is so druggy and slow.

Yeah, thick. It's like syrupy. No pun intended. Yeah, it is. But it really is. I used to love, man, I love that whole time. Chameleon Air Before He Popped was big for me. It was amazing.

Get Your Mind Correct with Paul Wall for me. It was amazing. Get your mind correct. Get your mind correct with Paul Walls. Incredible. Oh, man. The mixtape Messiah, that three-disc that he dropped, like, right before he went major. Like, he has a song with Kanye West on that. And that's, he would have said, he said, like, if Benzino got a Benz and they call me Benzino, then I get my Bentley.

I'm going to call, they're going to call me Bentlino. Yeah. Like, oh, man. Bentlino? Yeah. Bentlino. Oh, my God. I just love, like, for me, like, I just love regional rap in a way because I feel like radio is kind of killing that because radio, like, in Houston still, like, the box 97.9 still will play, like, they'll play Zero at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

So I was out, and, like, we were, you know, I'm, like, following these guys around, and, like, everywhere they would go, like, people were, like, I have, like, go up to Zero, like, random girls, and you'd never think listen to rap they'd be like you're my favorite on spotify every single song is my most played that's the crazy shit i feel like about regional because i learned that in the bay like in the bay area yeah if you play mac trey some white girl oh yeah 20 who you would never think knows all too hard to the radio everywhere everybody knows too hard for the radio Like everybody

And that's like That's like the beauty of regional rap Is like I don't know how it works With other types of music It's going away Because the radio used to play that And now it's like

That's why I was going in On Power 106 and 92.3 Because it's like You cultivated Like Sugar Free was that guy for LA And DJ Quick was that guy for LA And now there is probably no one In LA who gets played on the radio

Who like may be a problem But I wouldn't say that What about Y like what about YG no YG barely gets played it's the Drake song it's like only the Drake song yeah or that one that he stole from a man rapping Forte no god every song shout out Forte that's the only rapper I've ever done a show besides open mic that's the those are like the two that's great yeah it's not like he's not like a, he's not doing good. I know. I was going to do a story about where the players clubs are today in

gingerbread, San Francisco. Yeah. They're condos. He's hanging out in the neck of the woods, doing shows with me and my friends. Screwed up clickbait. If you can give,

cause I don't know much about, I, I don't have a lot of experience, but what are, what are like three songs or even like one album june 27 freestyle is the best uh little kiki south side and zero uh life of joseph mcveigh i would say is pretty amazing that was on rap a lot but that's still like probably and also actually i would say the most city don freestyle that's where he's rapping over like eric bianra kim yeah yeah. And he actually hates that song, but that was crazy.

I was just there. And they'll play the most city don't freestyle in a club. It was a really random club. They played freestyles in the club. They played the most city don't freestyle in the club, and everyone knew every word. And I love that because that is going away. That's fucking beautiful. Do you feel like that's the internet?

I think it's 100% terrestrial radio. I think it's 100%. Because I was getting into this argument with the radio DJs. And they're like, well, all these apps and everything. I was like, honestly, I'm more apt to listen to the radio now because I don't want to fuck with my phone. And I used to listen to CDs constantly. Yeah, yeah. I used to listen to CDs constantly.

And I would never listen to the radio. Well, data's fucking that up. People don't want to burn through all their data and listen to Spotify. Yeah. So radio is still viable. Like in LA, it's like that. But I was fighting with them. And I was like, KCRW is 1% less than you with no money.

Play local music and like put on local artists. And you don't have to necessarily play everything. But that's why – like it's like Baton Rouge. All these artists were so good. The Bay is a perfect example. Yeah, they love their own stuff. I mean Chicago probably to some – and Chicago still exists a little bit. Chicago now.

Chicago now, they will play it. Right. Like Chief Keef, like a song like Finetto or Finito. Like they'll play every – they'll play like i heard when i was there i heard drizzy charak freestyle and like you know you'll never there's not an la equivalent of that in the boogers it was like but you have to because otherwise it's killing the culture you know not to be that guy but do you feel like do you feel like hip-hop was a culture that was built on like interpersonal relationships and stuff like that?

And that goes away with – because I've been thinking about that. It just seems like hip-hop was built to not succeed, built despite of it. It's a resistance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then when the wave is going with it, I feel like hip-hop maybe doesn't know how to deal with that. I think – yeah. Right? Does that make sense?

Well, there's no pride in necessarily – it's okay. You don't necessarily need to be mainstream. And people forget that, like, Common never really did, like, I mean, he's done a couple of, like, crossovers, but, like, The Roots, Common, Mos Def, they're insanely popular. Doom. Yeah. Insanely popular. Doom is crazy.

Who wouldn't want to have Doom's career? He never was on the, you know, you can do that. True. And everyone is always, like, I have to be on, I have to be on. And it's a lot of it is the fans, too too because the fans don't perceive you as a success unless you're like on the radio. You're aspiring to be a Drake. That's crazy too because, yeah, rap fans won't let you chill. Yeah.

They like want you to be on so bad. Yeah. I mean it's like a misguided love I feel because they want to see their people succeed. And it's like at the same time, it's like there's something to be said about like i mean i and i want there's no one i want because i interviewed these rappers and like i meet them and yeah i like you like i want you to be able to make like a good i want you to buy a house like yeah oh yeah send your kids to private school they're gonna live in a good neighborhood maybe for not a long time but they'll have a house what about e40's been on like he's had a few radio songs but like he's like courtside at fucking warriors games yeah like that's true sit next to like

silicon valley's but you know you can still hear sprinkle me on the radio yeah yeah yeah uh excellent pick screwed up click david borey and it's time for your second pick you guys are such real heads that i'm going i'm skimming off top, but I don't feel bad about it. My second pick, Cash Money Millionaire. Absolutely. I love it. They were like the little rascals of hip-hop. Because everybody forgets they were kids. They were children. They were all kids. Juvenile was a

juvenile. Yeah, juvenile was, yeah. It was not a clever name. It wasn't just a clever name. I don't know if you guys remember, do you guys remember The Box? Yeah, of course. I used to watch that Ha video on The Box. And it was that video. And then they had the, what was it?

What's the big-timer song? Whoa, whoa, whoa, Kimo Sabe. Oh, Big Ballin'. I used to watch those two videos. And I was like, these guys are the coolest guys. Because they were kids. Lil Wayne's like three, four years older than me. You know what I mean?

But yeah. Lil Wayne was like 13, four years older than me. You know what I mean? But yeah. Lil Wayne was like 13, 14 in some of those videos. He was like a He was a boy. Not yet bar mitzvah. Ancient alien according to Euro.

Or an ancient African. That was because he did look like him. Oh yeah. It was because of that meme. You saw that meme. That was that meme, yeah. But it did look like Lil Wayne.

It looked exactly like Lil Wayne. Yeah. It was like Jay-Z was in Harlem in the 20s. Yeah, oh, I saw that picture too. That's crazy. No, yeah, I love Cash Money. I love fucking Manny Fresh Beats.

Oh, yeah. I love wearing two watches at one time. I don't give a shit. Still fly? I used to be embarrassed. I just love that they were so themselves with it. You love having a quarter tank of gas in your new E-Class? I get it. Everything is in my mom's hand i completely understand like yeah just like i

think they i think they never really they never really went far away from what the formula was and i appreciate that i love bg at the time yeah wayne invented bling bling that's crazy like everybody forgets like your mom knows what that means because little wayne said it first like can you imagine like yeah like literally coming up with like that's shakespeare literally no one had backed their ass up once before no no you invented parallel parking no but for white people though that was the first time that was like a light it was like sir mix-up baby got back was the first time that white people were ever like oh these butts, huh?

Pretty good. Pretty good. And then I think where white girls, for the first time, heard Back That Ass Up, and you're like, you know what? This twist is not going to cut it anymore. I was just... The Roger Rabbit will not do. You guys know Marcella Arguello? I was just talking to her, and she was just saying,

I lose my mind every time I hear somebody say, Cash Money Records taking over for the 9-9 in the 2000. Like that, like, I don't know. I just, and they felt like they were accessible. Yeah. Because they weren't even like, they were rich, but they were like poor people rich. They didn't look that rich in their videos. No, they wore white tees and they drove Plymouths.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, they had like a new Beatle in the one video. I remember, yeah. Like, they have, like, a new Beatle in the one video. Like. I remember. Yeah. Like, I just, like, I loved it. I loved the whole, I loved the youthful exuberance. I loved, because we didn't know that Birdman was probably a bad guy.

Yeah. And Lil Wayne wasn't the best rapper in the world, or even the best on the label. No. Really, like. No. Lil Wayne was cool, but I was, like, I like Turk, and I like BG, and I like Juvenile. Man, who would have thought? You know, because I remember when I first saw that video for how I thought like, I like Turk, and I like BG, and I like Juvenile. Who would have thought? Because I remember when I first saw the video for How I Thought That Shit was a joke, dude.

It's so ridiculous. What is this song? They got like a pit bull eating bologna. Until Jay-Z remixed it, I don't think anyone really took it seriously outside of themselves. Could you imagine? That's a fucking empire now. But in hindsight, that was a really Kind of brilliantly Avant-garde beat Like and the way he rapped it

Is amazing And the way he rapped it Was crazy That's what I mean They were doing Nobody was like Rapping Like the whole song

Was just him making fun Of this dude Yeah You know what I mean Yo come to the projects When it's dark Like oh man You know switch to

Nike to Reeboks I loved it Talking shit the whole time Yeah I loved it My favorite of the Hot boy songs Was that song Tuesdays and Thursdays Where it's talking shit the whole time. Yeah, I loved it. My favorite of the Hot Boy songs was that song Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Because the whole concept is basically like every Tuesdays and Thursdays the cops will come by. And then you'd have to run up off the block. And I got to interview Lil Wayne once. Twice, actually. But once was like, of all people, nylon guys. Flew me out to Miami to interview Lil Wayne. And it's like I show up there. That is a crazy story. It's and it's like i show up there it's a crazy

it's so weird and i show up there little wayne's apartment looks like a lunar shrine i think someone's in the window like it's a weird butler he has there it's like a mannequin butler like i was like super weird he's got pictures of his kids but no one has ever lived in this house then they're like little wayne has a headache so it's like i'm waiting there for like hours like just i'm like i don't know what to do like he has a headache it's like little wayne has a headache frank sinatra is a cold and then i'm just like then finally like little wayne they usher me into his like man cave and like when i say a man cave i'm not saying it's like like a it's like a it's like literally a 14 the coolest place when you're 14 there's like skateboards everywhere like we live in that one he's like like full like a flat screen

tv watching basketball little wayne is eating like spaghetti with like canned corn like he is 14 it's like what you would eat and like he's like doesn't want to talk but then he was like talking about tuesdays and thursdays and he was like honestly i had no idea what that was because i was a kid in school but like he's a child and they would basically like juvenile and bg would kind of tell him like that you know this is what it is was great bg great. BG was on heroin. He was. You could hear it, too. As an adult, when you know what heroin sounds like, wait a minute.

He was on heroin right then. They were so. Loud Pipes was my song, but that's just because all my friends, we love that. Big Rams, Loud Pipes, what an asshole. They said, Wody. Nobody really knew how it was spelled. A lot of people thought there was an R in it. Was it Warty and they're just from New Orleans?

We may never know. Word up. And you just listen to their songs. Especially now as an adult, I listen back to their songs. Like at the end of Ha, run, Forrest, run, Forrest, run. That's like a kid would say that. Yeah. That's like a thing a kid would do.

Yeah, I love the whole thing, man. I wish that it ended up better for some of them. Yeah. Turk. How's BG doing? BG did not. When I was down in Louisiana and did the Boozy thing, because I covered Boozy's murder trial,

the night of the alleged murder,osie was recording with BG and it was like called the 187 and that was the one and I remember asking the lawyer I was like why didn't you just call BG in the court to testify and the lawyer looks at me and he's like you cannot call BG in the court to testify before court of law and I was like that was a dumb question

I apologize. Chopper City in the ghetto Cash Money Millionaires. Well they're all remaining G's until the moment they expire. Yeah. That's nice. Excellent pick. Open Mike Eagle. I'm so happy this is still on the board, but it also lets me know my values are different

from everyone else's. I'm going with the Wu-Tang Clan. Oh, yes, indeed. Damn it. Wu-Tang. That was going to get taken. Yeah, I was going to definitely take that one. Rap Clan. I'm going with the Wu-Tang Clan. Oh, yes, indeed. Oh, damn it. That was going to get taken. Yeah, I was going to definitely take that one. Rap Clan, I'm so pleased it made it all the way back around to me.

So I can say, I can put that on. Yeah, man. So that's part of what actually got me super deep into rap was seeing Old Dirty Bash. I kind of missed the initial wave but like odb his first album shimmy shimmy y'all brooklyn zoo all of that just really brought me in it was so different than that was the shaheim guy shaheim shaheim the rugged child yeah he was actually good though but but uh i like jizz it was actually the first one that i really fell in love with jizz that was the first time i heard liquid swords i was like i don't know what yeah that beat that

song see i came into jizza at uh beneath the surface I was like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah, that beat, that song. See, I came into GZA at beneath the surface, and I was like, I don't understand what that is. Breaker, breaker, one-nine. I wanted to hear your Telegraph song. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Populicity, give me a break. I liked RZA for a while better than GZA. No, Bobby Digital was amazing. Yeah, Bobby Digital.

Bobby Digital was the reason that I liked it. Bobby Digital was good. Kiss of the Black Widow with ODB where they're sampling Portishead was an amazing song. Man, Holocaust and shit? Come on, man. But all of that,

like Raekwon's first joint, Jizz's first joint, Ghostface, Iron Man, you know what I mean? Like, everything up until... Like, from the first album up until, like, Inspect the Deck solo,

like, all of that shit. But even that album was, like, pretty good. I heard that album, like, twice. I got some good... I got some... They had some half-b, all of that shit. But even that album was, like, pretty good. I did not listen to the Expecto-Royce. I got some good in. I got some half-baked samples on that album. Like, they had, like,

Samson Simpson's apps. But it was good. There were some good songs. I got into Wu-Tang the same way everyone in Beaverton, Oregon got into Wu-Tang, which was through

Method Man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that was the song, though. Yeah. Hey, you. Me too. You don't know me

and you don't know my style. I just, like, Wu-Tang was scary. Like, I had an older cousin. They were. Who used to listen to Wu-Tang, like, when it happened. And it was just like, I remember listening to it as a kid and being like, I was like scared of it. It was its own language. It was its own, like, I mean, have you read the Wu-Tang manual?

Yeah, I have read it. It's like the most inspiring book I've ever read in my life, honestly. I would take that over the Bible any day of the week. I don't need to hear, like like the book of Ezekiel I mean and you had like method man doing a video with like one white contact and has his hair braided and shit like yo I mean like you're all I need to get by is the greatest rap ballad ever made in my life and that judgment day album with the Donald Trump skit made prophetic it's like oh man are you talking about judgment day well that wasn't that great not a good album but like the rapping on it is kind of

the highest level like if you just just the beats aren't good he was ever rapping better than the still cold to this day though if you listen to anything he puts out to this day i think he's one of them other dudes like you know the since the songs aren't making you know they're not smash successes right now People don't necessarily give them props But just in terms of like What amount of shit a rapper can do Meth can do anything

Did you listen to Woo Massacre? Say what? Woo Massacre? Which one was that? That was with him and Ghostface and Ray That came out after A Better Tomorrow or something? I think so Or after one of their group albums that they didn't like.

I didn't hear the word massacre. Speaking of Bobby, I mean, his verse on NYC Everything is one of the greatest verses I think in rap history. Man, when was I just watching Method Man and where I was like super, oh, I was just listening to that A$AP Mob song. Oh, with A$AP Nass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That song is great. Yeah, and Method Man kills it. It's all these new kids clearly biting Wu-Tang style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That song is great. Yeah, and Method Man kills it. It's all these new kids,

like, clearly biting Wu-Tang style, and Method Man comes in and has the best verse. Method Man is hard. He can do street rap. He can make a club banger if he needs. He can do any kind of rap. He can do melodic shit. He can rap fast, slow, whatever.

A movie, How High? Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good comedy. He's a pretty terrible actor. You want to be friends with Method Man. Yeah. For sure. Although, he's kind of grumpy and angry, I feel like, now.

If you read interviews with... Because I feel like it just didn't... He's not built for this model of fame. He's not going to interact with his fans much better. You saw the shit that happened with his wife and all that? No. Because he's been really notorious about keeping his private life very secret. And some website posted a picture of his wife because she was like having trouble with her health or something and he posted it and he like was pleading with him

on twitter to take this picture and they wouldn't he was just like you know what fuck all this social media shit you know this is like this year or you know what was weird was the did you ever watch the ghost face thing where he was on that vh1 show man i forget oh yeah That was hard. Everybody takes an L sometimes. Yes, Ghostface was on the Dr. Drew show. No, no, he was on something else too. Are you talking about the relationship one with his girlfriend? Yeah. Maybe that was the one. Was that Dr. Drew?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. It was... Yeah, and he finds out she's a stripper and then he gets like really upset. And she's like, you've been to strip clubs. He's like, I didn't date them. But you know, Ghostface is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Man. Man.

Yo. That Tim Westwood interview with Ghostface is like my favorite rap interview. It's like him and Tim Westwood in the back of a car. And like Ghostface has his own mic and Tim Westwood is holding up a mic to him. And Ghostface puts his mic in his lap and just talks into Westwood's mic. And at one point he's like he's like sometimes i just sit at night and i say i pray to god and i say dear god please don't let me be old school also his diss of action bronson was kind of immediately legendary oh yeah also the martin

screlly beef did you see those videos yo someone had to go in that was a weird that was a weird time that is a weird time and like you know if we really want to talk Wu-Tang like some of their satellite groups Killer Army

the first album was great Grave Diggers Killer Priest first album Killer Priest first album was great yeah Killer Priest was crazy

you know 12 o'clock what was not 12 o'clock what was the other one Sons of Man Sons of Man Sons of Man had some good songs, too. Sons of Man was dope.

Yeah. Blue Raspberry? Knew how to sing a hook. Jesus Christ. I'm here for this. I'm just realizing that you just did such a good one. You guys aren't going to like my next pick. Well, Mike's got to go again.

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Again, go to squarespace.com and enter offer code ALLFANTASY to get 10% off your purchase. All right, back to the action. All right, we are back. Mike, it is time for your third pick i'm keeping it i'm keeping it uh east coast i'm keeping it uh rappity rap rap yeah and i'm gonna say a click name who i don't know if people are even familiar with i'm gonna go with the outsiders okay can i but is that a group

can i say i don't know i was just in the bathroom I was just in the bathroom. Depends on how you think of Rod Diggins. I was just in the bathroom, and I was like, oh, I'm here with these two guys. You guys would know. Because I remember listening to Eminem albums. Right. And he would always talk about it. What's that song? Outsiders.

Outsiders, baby. And we still win the courts, because we dope as fuck, and only get a two in the source. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know who the Outsiders. I was just... That's so funny. They were also on the Fugees. Yeah, that's right.

Three of them were on the Fugees. Oh, Blood and Unreality? No, no, no. What's the score? The score. The score. Okay. And it's on Cowboys.

Oh. Is that? That's freedom. They're from Jersey. That's Pace One, Young Z, and Rod Digg on that song are all from the Outsiders.

Rod Digg? Rod Digg is on the Outsiders. And the reason Young Z, who's like the leader of the Outsiders, he was all over that album because he wrote unfortunately he wrote all the Praz's verses on the score hey there's some good Praz bars

and if they were then Young Z wrote them the thing about Praz is like he's like not a good rapper but he's like a good flavor I don't think so I wouldn't disagree with that as well he's like cilantro you would take him off the score? I would take Pross completely off the score.

You don't want to eat a big pile of cilantro. But it's like a little bit. I would take Pross completely off the score. My man, come on. You would take Pross off the score? Nah, I disagree. Boo-boo. That's crazy because it was like, man, what about, okay, okay, I got a pros verse that works.

What about staying alive? No, I agree 100%. Come on. I think you can erase that song from history and we all be okay. You know what I mean? You're going hard on my man, Pros. I'm talking about the outsiders right now. You can't talk to me about Proz.

You know what I mean? You can't talk to me about one of the worst guys ever. When I'm talking about a crew full of the best guys ever. You need the glue in a group. What about Rod Dinkins? The glue? The glue. They would have been fine.

They would not have been fine. They were dating each other. They might have made better shit if they weren't having to act like they weren't dating around this dude. Right. Man. Those proverbs verses would have gone to either Clef or Lauren. That's what would have been better. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You would have had more Clef or more Lauren. They weren't going to make the songs a minute shorter. The hard part is now I'm trying to go through my head and find the proverbs verse to prove you know staying alive was staying alive was about as good as it yeah he's just not a good rapper like there's just some guy we're talking about like method man applause like a mad dog crap yelling ole he's not good no he's just not good at rapping he's not good at saying the rap things on the microphone yeah he's not like his at it. But he's got a good style.

His style is not good. That's what's not good about him is his style. Pross brought snacks to the studio. He was handy with an orange slice. I think he was the money guy. Was he the money guy? I think he was funding things at first. I don't know about rich, but he had more money

than the rest of them. Damn. But outsiders. Young Z, Pace One, rod digger eminem was down for a while slang ton um and it was it was a bunch of them they tended to be about eight people at a time and some people would rotate in and out super underground new jersey crew but every is it like a slaughterhouse type of thing but but pre-slaught like way pre-no i know i just mean like the the type of like yeah definitely bars definitely bars like they have hooks and songs too but it was definitely about like we're gonna take turns getting on this mic and saying the craziest

shit that we can think to say right and you know like i say eminem before he fucked with outsiders he was just infinite eminem like i'm a rap rap rappity rap rap but when he got with the outsiders like technically good when he got with the outsiders is when he found the slim shady personality because you had to go hard like that to hang with them dudes you had to have like crazy yeah you had to have a crazy thing because they were nuts because i never know yeah i've never known digger to have bars i've known digger to be like imperial you know what i mean they got a song squad and uh yeah flip mode squad and outsiders now dig is dope like if you dig his album that had the imperial on it they had a song in there called the last word that has the outsiders on it and it's called these outsiders gonna get the last word and they call

it that because if you listen to it because it's like six dudes rapping on the song six dudes and her every time somebody starts they rhyme off the last word the last person rhyme that's like that's what i mean like to be like just to be like so and they have bars and technical and listening to each other and everything sounds like a rap cypher so like all of the rappers i know from my generation were like all super influenced by the outsiders and they're all still like a lot of them are still making shit today. They're a little nutty in the head because they live in fucking Newark. But they're dope as shit, man.

All right. I'll take that. Hell yeah. Real quick. Praz went to Yale. Yeah, sure. Of course. Of course he did.

I think that might be a Wikipedia thing. Because Lauryn Hill definitely went to Yale. But I don't think Praz went to Yale. Oh, it says it on Wikipedia. But she went to don't think Praz went to Yale. Oh, it says it on Wikipedia. But she went to Columbia. Lauren Hill went to Columbia. Okay. I just watched Sister Act 2, by the way.

Nice. I think John Forte went to, did he go to Yale? He went to an Ivy League. John Forte. He went to Penn. I might be confused with John Legend, but he definitely was an Ivy League guy. No, even on the Huffington Post it says Praz went to Yale. Wow.

And he's a documentarian now. I knew that. Oh, is that the Skid Row? About homelessness, yeah. And a weird one about Haiti. That wasn't that good. And he was a documentarian now. I knew that. Oh, is that the Skid Row? About homelessness, yeah. And the weird one about Haiti? That wasn't that good. And he was a mystery. I watched it because I watched it if rappers are in it.

Not to steer it away from the outsiders. I just read Praz's Wikipedia. I don't know. When I said their name, I figured I was the only person who knew about them. So I understand the conversation going on different tangents after that. I don't know. You fed me game. I'm definitely going to go back and look at it.

I mean, you know, but it's also, it's me. Like, I come from a certain, you know, I come from a certain phase, and especially underground hip-hop. And, like, the Outsiders is a crew. You won't hear their shit. Because they made a couple big projects with Sony Roughhouse, I think. Signed them and put out an EP and an LP. Those are both cool. But their freshest shit is the shit you can only hear on Napster,

where they were recording in this house they call the outhouse. Yeah. And they were recording in the basement, and they didn't have no compressor or no sound treatment or nothing. It sounded like a bunch of dudes yelling in the microphone in the basement. But it's their hardest songs. Damn it. Everything was the hardest shit.

And that's when Eminem was down with them, too, when they had recordings because i was i was yeah i was that's so funny yeah i was just thinking about that i was like who i've never known who the outsiders were but he does rep them on on yeah i've heard him referenced yeah yeah yeah he definitely says it a few times they really changed his trajectory you know what i mean getting down with them what so he went from being like a rap olympics kind of he went from being like straight backpacker like straight up like and and i'm you know like just just repping you know being a smart guy in the streets to like no i'm going to find a reason to use these same bars but also be a crazy person and that's from because he is a crazy person right yeah well i don't know how crazy he really was but i I know that like, you know, in terms of presenting your wordplay or whatever, it's all about like what motivation this character has to say these words.

So if your character is just like, I'm a backpacker, dude, you're just going to say kind of boring shit. But if your character is like, I'm a crazy, I'm a half lunatic. Yeah. Then I'm going to find crazy reasons. And all of a sudden I'm raping lesbians. What is screaming at me? Let's just be friends. Like that's outsiders type shit. You man that because that's the that's like why i liked him is

it was so like shocking and like disruptive that's that's the outside of shit like because i was if you like that shit you will love them okay i will check that out oh is it yeah yeah yeah is it on me we're all i think we're all making plans to go home and listen to the outside yeah I feel like we're queuing it up on Spotify I feel bad we're queuing it up

on Napster I feel I feel like I'm holding it down for the mainstream which was never my intent I picked

good music and TDE you're alright okay so you get it I'm Mr. Underground you know I'm going with like another one from when I

the motherfucking Rough Riders yeah come on volume one I'm Mr. Underground. I'm going with another one from when I... The motherfucking Rough Riders. Yeah. Come on. Volume 1. Volume 2. They had a dude who rapped about fire. And Drag-On rapped about water.

Yeah. No, Drag-On rapped about fire. Fire all the time. It was the opposite of water. The opposite of H2O. The opposite of H2O. That was the first album. Yeah, it's true.

Also a two and a half mic album in the source. Of course. It was bad. He rapped about fire. It sounded just like Cameron. It sounded just like Cameron. It was about... Oh, man.

It's like, here's the idea. It's like, you sound like Cameron, but you rapped about fire. But you love fire. And it was inspired by Cameron's album cover where he was standing in front of fire. Yeah, in front of fire. Confessions of Fire. This is perfect. But, oh, listen.

Which is also the most homoerotic album cover ever. Drag on aside. Come on. Fucking DMX. Fucking Eve. The Lox. The fucking Lox. The Lox.

Come on. What street rap? Because they were fresh off of Bad Boy. They were fresh off of Bad Boy who couldn't work them. And they were like, I love the Rough Riders. I love the two crews.

I said the movie that they made together. Backstage was like, the first time I saw that was incredible to me. And man, he went, it ended up bad for him, but I love DMX. DMX? Yeah. I love DMX in my heart. He was fucking huge for a while. He was amazing.

He was the biggest rapper in the world. It's Dark and hell's hot and flesh my flesh like in the same year same year and like they sold like a million first week or not not much but it was incredible man i mean you you don't remember do you remember the first time you saw get at me dog that video that was another thing to me that was like a pivotal moment i saw get at me dog on remember when bet had uncut yep like late night they play get at me dog on uncut yo because get at me dog wasn't a hit i don't think it was even a hit out of new york it wasn't but they played it on because it was uh because when you went when you when you bought it at the store

the def jam single it was get at me dog b-side stop being greedy and they had albums for both of them but that get at me dog video in the tunnel where he was wearing overalls, man, that was the rawest shit in the world. Where were they from? Yonkers? Is that where the fucking DMX was from? That's where DMX and Yonkers are from is Yonkers. Yeah, Yonkers. Yonkers.

It made me Google Yonkers. Man. Or whatever. Ask James Yonkers. Rough Riders Anthem? That video? Alta Vista? Alta Vista the shit out of that.

Alta Vista. Oh, man. Yeah, the rough riders anthem video i just love i love dmx's heart because he's just like a dude who can't he can't like he wants to be better but he just can't no like have you ever heard the song uh back in one piece him and alia no it's dmx and alia and literally the chorus she's just like you can run with the dogs but if you go out just make sure you come home back in one piece and on the verse dmx is like nah my favorite dmx you're asking too much i don't know where he's like i'm not a nice person and you're like that is such a weird thing i got it you're a guy draped in blue you're drenched in

blood and you have a junkyard dog chain around your neck i didn't take you're a guy draped in blue you're drenched in blood and you have a junkyard dog chain around your neck i didn't take you for a man i just i love him uh how's it going down i think is one of my favorite uh like because that song too is just like he loves his girl bro but he just is dmx what about just can't help it how many bars was it of just women's names on what these bitches oh what these bitches want that was like many bars was it of just women's names on What These Bitches Want? Oh, What These Bitches Want? That was like 12 bars of just women names. About three Kims. About three Kims.

It could have been four. God damn. He's just like, I love it. Because like that 50 Cent thing, he was a dude who wasn't built to last. But when we had him, I loved DMX, man. Dude, he's fucking not bad for the guy he's a fireball man yeah he's a fireball and he was such a talent and he was like and if you look back he was a freestyle he was an accomplished battle rapper like you know

have you seen that video of him and like jay-z that battle yeah yeah yeah yeah but then there's the one of him pun it's like a bunch of them, and they're just sitting at a table in a bar. They're sitting at a table in a restaurant, and it's a bunch of these guys who are on Mount Olympus now. And they're talking about it, and they don't even really want to rap. And DMX is so happy to be here. He's like, no, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. And he pushes it, and I feel like he had that energy. Yeah, he'd been kicking around

for a while because he was like unsigned hype in the source in like 93 yeah i mean you know ever before he got on for years like big was unsigned hype yeah a year before he got on maybe like that's how did he found it when the first time i heard dmx it was on a fucking first mike geronimo album that came out like 95 see like you had a song with Jay-Z and DMX on it nobody knew either man that was like 22 twos Jay-Z yeah Ruff Riders anthem is one of the all-time great middle school football locker room song oh man that's that'll just like when I learned so I definitely liked like football team on a school bus. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to kill those other middle class white kids. When my cousin taught me the ad-libs, because it's like the song, but if you hear the ad-libs, it's like, my dog's going to stop, your dog's going to drop. When I knew that, man, you couldn't tell me I wasn't the coolest dude in the world. Right. Like DMX. First we had him like, whoa. Yeah, then we had him like, whoa, baby. like DMX we had them like

we had them like rough riders and like those two compilation albums they were and it's like once again it's kids music right like on the one song they literally say do you fuck them till they come damn right we make them come

it's ridiculous it's ridiculous but like that was a time that was a fucking swiss beats is yamaha yeah oh man swiss swiss beats you know yamaha sued him man because he was literally using just the stock sounds from the keyboard he was like wait, wait a minute. You can't make millions of dollars off our stock sounds. I feel like, if anything, I will say, that speaks to the talent. No, absolutely. I think that speaks to the talent. He made songs that moved the world.

All these little throwaway, cheap-ass noises. If you listen to how so many of his beats are so like, you don't realize how seminal they were because so many people bit him afterwards what but like the band from tv the noriega so many people used that same exact like oh yeah i mean he kind of like shifted because it was like very sample based at that before that and then he kind of shifted it into new york i used to think new york beats were corny growing up until swiss beats i thought new york beats were corny i was like oh it's gonna be sparse you know what i'm saying it's gonna be like like that's what their beats were cold like

you need a jacket yeah yeah yeah like there's gonna be some scratching on it yeah yeah yeah so it came with the obviously fake scratch. Yeah. Nah, I'm saying something. I'm out for president. I was like, these beats are fucking whack. Like, West Coast is the only beats. There was no summer music. Really? There was no summer music in New York. There was no summer music in New York for a while.

Those dudes were cold. That's why they're so aggressive. It was a long winter. Yeah. Yeah. It was all minor piano chords. Yeah, right? Yeah.

It was so coarse. Like, I love those rappers. I love that rap for that time period and stuff like that. But those beats don't, like, I love it when, like, the East Coast beats started opening up. That's Puffy. Puffy did that shit. Yo, for sure. Like, what's, I Love the Dough, Jay-Z and Big, like, that, like, bouncy, like, oh, man.

Like, that's when I started to get on. But, like, that old shit, shit it's my life's not that hard man i know but yeah rough riders excellent pick uh jeff weiss it is time for your third pick all right i'm gonna go with the due diligence pick and go with the juice crew because like a little before my time but at the same time, you can't discount their importance. And I think of all the old school rap groups, their style is probably age of the best. You think so? Of the old school rap crews, yeah.

I think Master Ace was very ahead of his time. A song like Born to Roll was kind of opened up the East Coast to West Coast sound. Born to Roll is great. Incredible. He was on Delicious Vinyl. I mean, that was a big hit when I was growing up in LA I came after the Big Daddy Kane But Big Daddy Kane was incredible A song like Ain't No Half Steppin'

Raw Those songs Cool G Rap Influential to everybody From Action Bronson to Big Pun That storytelling He was the first one to bring in the Mafia Stuff that Raekwon kind of came – took later on.

Biz Margie. Mr. Miz. Of course, my Twitter AVI. Yeah, right? But also like Biz was kind of singing – him and TJ Swan were kind of doing the singing thing and kind of the goofy sensibility of a rapper where it kind of could be playful. Roxanne Shante, one of the first big female rappers ever. To be taken seriously for sure. To be taken seriously for sure And also one of the great diss songs Yeah

And then I will also Throw in Tragedy Gaddafi Who was Intelligent Hubam And then inspires Mobb Deep Yeah he was like their OG MC Shan as well So the whole project of Queensbridge, the whole style of the later 90s, like CNN.

What was Shannon's first – what's that? Ladies and gentlemen, we got MC Shannon in the house tonight. Are you talking about the symphony? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the symphony is one of the greatest posse cuts ever made. It is. Definitely. Craig G, everyone's just rapping.

it's ever made like definitely like everyone craig g you know everyone's just rapping and yeah i think they their style um gave birth to a lot of other styles and kind of they they kind of are the archetypal new york rap crew i mean without the juice crew would have had an informer yeah yeah that's true that's true i like that yeah he did he did he's on informer yeah he is yeah yeah because I'm down with the snow man I was literally gonna post like a 12 inches of snow thing today Because every time it's like winter in New York And everyone's like oh it's so cold I'm like well snow had something for you

Also fuck you I like that song It's a great song I like it I know all the words We made fun of him but we let Macklemore slide All the way in the home. Yeah. But that's done, right?

That Macklemore thing is over already? Yeah. But it's funny. I'm looking at my phone right now because you mentioned Tragedy Gaddafi. I'm going to share with you guys because Tragedy Gaddafi follows me on Twitter. Man. And this motherfucker one day, this motherfucker, like I'm mad at him, but he sent me a DM saying, what up?

I'm like, oh, okay. What up, dude? I've been a fan forever. forever and he was like didn't you work with mac and i'm like mac who he says macklemore and them boys that was the last we spoke to you now nothing else after that that was it that's good that was it you thought i worked with mlemore. You just got DMs. I got DMs. Did he unfollow though? No, no, still following.

Still following. Still following. I got DMs with like you guys. Yeah. Those are my cool DMs. Like Ian like, hey, you want to do the podcast?

Or Mike like, what are you doing on September 27th? Yeah. You wouldn't believe the people who do not answer my DMs who follow me

and I'm like, why have you followed me since you will never talk to me? Yeah, right? Yeah. I got an angry string once from Cormega oh god that must be very articulate

that's a hard life for him it was like Cormega was really going in because he was like what was amazing is because Cormega was mad at one of the writers on my website

for dissing nature which I don't know if you're familiar with the whole firm beef but nature replaced Cormega in the firm and then like he was dissing

nature and then cormega to his credit was like how dare you yeah really stand up guy yeah we also say that i don't know if somebody might pick the firm so never mind yeah but shit uh juice congrats with the seminal crew i think the oldest crew yeah they're picked here so far for sure three days native i figure like someone had to yeah i mean they they to me like i remember With the Seminole crew, I think the oldest crew that's been picked here so far predates Native Thompson. I figured someone had to. Yeah. I mean, they, to me, I remember because growing up and it was kind of a little before my time, but I hated – Loki, I kind of hated almost everything that was made before 1992.

100%. But I used to feel the same way. I used to feel the same way. When I was a kid, dude, I didn't like old school. No, me neither. I had to get older. I didn't like Illmatic as a kid. I still do.

No, I definitely wasn't. I'm not an Illmatic guy to this day. I'm not really a Nas guy. Are you an It though? It was written guy. I'm not really a Nas guy. Okay, that's... I just listened to the track that sparked the Jay-Z beef, though.

Like the original, original. What was the original? I can't even... I'll text it to you when I can find it on my phone. But like, when you listen to how hard he went initially, because everybody thinks it was just the takeover and ether. Yeah.

But Nas had a first one. And you're just like, yeah. I remember there was this freestyle that came out before that beef where Nas said, he said, H to the Izzo, M to the Izzo. That is, I've heard that. And I feel like that's worth it. This is a different thing. But on top of it.

I like Nas. There's some Nas songs I like. But I feel like there But on top of it. I like Nas. There's some Nas songs I like, but I feel like there's a lot of rough. There's a lot of bad tracks. I mean, the song where he rapped in the Jimmy Durante voice. Oh, no. Not a good one. That really hurt my heart. I was like, yeah, kids.

I just watched the You Owe Me video. Him and Sean A. Say what's your price? Well, Braveheart party. Remember Braveheart party? That was not a good party. Listen, though. I will say, I like...

Because I had Nostradamus video, the Nostradamus album. Oh, yeah. And I was a kid, and I thought they were so cool, because on the Braveheart song, he was like, millennium thug, computer chip suck up in my slug. Turn corners when you turn corners. Know who to plug. And I was like, he's got computers in his guns. His bullets can go around corners. That's a genius.

He's like, let me introduce you to Dr. Knockboots. But yeah, there's a lot that doesn't hold up. Yeah. But maybe no Nas without the Juice crew. No, definitely not. That was the biggest influence on him, definitely. Full evolutionary. I mean, and Wu-Tang, you know, like all that.

Pretty much everything. Ron Artest basketball style. Yeah, Ron Artest. That's probably the biggest rule. Ron Artest told me that Roxanne Shantae was his babysitter. Wow. Yo, New York is crazy. New York is crazy.

New York is crazy. There's so many people there, and yet you get stories like that. Yeah, yeah. I think it's like these places. I don't know, man. Whenever I go to New York, I'm like, this is way smaller than I thought. Yeah. Dude.

Oh, Queensbridge is tiny. Yeah. Listening to Dipset, I thought Harlem was like 12 square miles. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it just, that's how it feels. It's tiny, though. It's like a few blocks.

It's literally a neighborhood. Which makes it all the fucking more amazing. Juice Crew, amazing. We gotta keep it moving, so I'm gonna make my third pick. And with this one, I'm gonna go, I don't even know exactly what to call this click, and it's gonna fit completely with my kind of like in corny radio stuff. But I'm picking, I think you can call them all the swing mob or debasement, which was Missy Elliott and Timbaland. God, are you serious?

That's on my shit. Is it on your shit? Yeah. I didn't think anybody was going to get that. Matt Scales, Aaliyah even, which I know is on. Virginia folk. Yeah, the Virginia people. Just call them Virginia that. That scales. Aaliyah even. Which I know is our Virginia folk. Yeah, the Virginia people. Just call them Virginia folk.

Virginia folk. They also had an R&B group, Player. Remember that? You can't stop your hands, it's music. And Tweet. And Tweet was there as well. Oh, man. Tweet still shows up on songs.

They were all in the Upjumps the Boogie video. Was Magoo down? Magoo was down. Magoo was part of the swaying walk. What is weird is nobody ever pointed out that Magoo and Missy Elliott sound identical. Kind of similar timber.

They kind of do. That is so true. Missy sang a dang-a-wack. Up Jumps the Boogie. Man, maybe it's like a Quasimodo. Has anyone ever seen him in a room in the same song? They were great. They had that Love to Love You song.

I love that song. The Knight Rider song. Great song. Lobster and Scrimp with Jay-Z was a great. Oh, man. They had Off the Top from the Candy Stone to the Coffee Shop. Yeah. We had it again.

Timberland and Missy Elliott, the shit they did together was just so fucking beautiful, man. I wish they... What happened? Did they have, like, a falling out? I don't know. I don't know if anything happened. Or even if anything did happen to the two of them. Because I feel like they were together.

Like, they were together. And then, like... Yeah. He just started getting weird and working out. Yeah. I don't like Buff Timberland. This is like... I don't like Buff Timber a sudden getting weird and working out yeah i don't like buff timberland this is like i don't like well no one likes buff producer guy it's like it's like trey it's like you why are you i want you to have a scott storch body yeah i want you to look like you've spent your whole life inside yeah best part except when he was on his yacht storch of ellie

dude that Banks yacht. That's such a crude, crude. They were so, like... It's just fun shit, man. I love that. It's just fun. Yeah. Genuine was in it. Genuine was in there.

Yeah. The second Genuine album is one of the most underrated R&B albums. Which one? What are the hits on that one? There are no hits on that one. Is that one with, like, in those jeans or, like, same old G? I love same old G. Oh, man, even though I might be on TV.

Man, even when you did Conan, dude, I can speak to this. Same old G is silent. I miss my mark, baby. Same old G is silent. Yeah, it's the one with the... You got to change it now. It is same old G. What's so different?

What's so different? What's so different? I like? Genuine has a good voice. I don't think he got credit for it. It's like a pony. It's like thick. His voice is like thick. As long as I'm alive, Pony will be a hit. You know how many virginities are still getting lost to Pony?

Still. He played the Slow Jams Night in LA like last year and the line was around the block i would i would pay money to see genuine they would rap and sing over the most audacious samples i mean the alia song with the baby laugh you know and that was i can't believe i feel like tim lin was in there and he was just like yo they're gonna yeah they're gonna crown me king i fucking loved it the face I know it's I mean it's become like an internet

meme but from the fade to black with fade to black with Jay Z was that the name of the documentary when he did dirt off your shoulder video dirt off your soldier thing when he's just in there showing him and he's like oh man it just looks so joyful that's just the best because you can tell he loves it yeah he just like loves music and he knew that Jay he's like I got one

that's gonna make Jay Z fucking lose his mind and he's just for him jay-z and timbaland hola hovito yeah man jay-z and timbaland had great chemistry god what was that one i thought that welcome to the future hey hey and then it comes like sprinkling in i forget the name of that song uh man it's one of those where timbaland kind of puts himself on the track a little bit he didn't i think off that that's off that i think he could i think he could have rapped more because he had timbaland and magoo welcome to our world yeah that was the only album right love to love to love you love you whatever happened what was her name shonda the girl on that album whatever Whatever happened. Shonda?

Shonda? Shonda? Was it Shonda? Well, Shonda was the ludicrous one. Shonda was the ludicrous one. Yeah, she was the GTP that then Pusha T later referenced. Shonda? Yeah. When did he reference her?

Exodus 32.1. We was all fucking Shonda. I was jealous when you both said her mouth was like Barana. Oh, Jesus. It's weird that Magoo named himself after Mr. Magoo. Mr. Magoo. Some weird, blind, rich, old, white dude. He had a lot of weird lines to him.

Magoo had weird lines where you're like, why did you say that? When he was like, up in the cut, like gay niggas and butt. Why'd you do that? Why'd you say that? Somebody should have told him not to say that yeah like why did you even do that i love and then he also said also said no fan of madonna she's just a damn slut another one where i'm like was that the same rap like i just was thinking over it and i was just like yeah why are you saying that stuff

i i love madonna blackballed himself and then we could have drafted I just was thinking over it, and I was just like, yeah, why are you saying that stuff? I love Madonna. He blackballed himself. We could have drafted Madonna songs. I would have been just as passionate. Madonna's all right, man. I know every word to Madonna songs through the Immaculate Collection. Dude, the Immaculate Collection. That was a fucking steady rotation.

Two CDs, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Debasement, I had to pick i just love i just loved how weird it was i could relate to it on a level that i you know they were weirdos yeah they were all weird and the beach was so bouncy and fucking weird that i was into it yeah um that's good i love a weirdo and i'm since we're only going four rounds this is the all

fantasy everything first just because we've been you know there's so much it's so much banter with thorough actually might have to leave yeah well we'll let you go first okay uh i'll take i'll take advantage we're gonna we're gonna it's a second all fantasy first mike eagle's going right now all right with his final pick shit i'm gonna do that then yeah uh i am man i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep it no you know what fuck it I'm gonna do this fuck it I'm gonna go

Project Blow for my last I wasn't gonna pick them up and I feel you know I feel bad because it's a

it's a crew that I'm associated with but if I'm to be honest in terms of music I listen to that influenced me as a young person

they definitely made a ton of it. Like, if I'm going to say Native Tongues, then I should also say Project Blow, because A.C. Alone's music, Freestyle Fellowship's music, Abstract, Rude, Bus Driver, Before I Knew Him, a lot of cats. Before he blocked me on Twitter.

It was definitely before that. Before that, and before I muster a computer. Just the album name. A.C. Alone, Do you know, do you know? The bookie human language is fucking great. I love that shit. Wouldn't it be funny if that was really MERS and you would fuck that up? No, you were correct.

MERS liked to picture me on Instagram one time. No big deal, y'all. I'm in the streets. It's not a big deal. You said it? MERS. MERS is the homie, man. I even fuck with Haiku Dei Tan shit like that

Haiku Dei Tan is dope That's AC Micah And Abstract Roots Yeah We just had the Micah 9 Yeah right

We just had the 22nd And I'm wearing a shirt The 22nd anniversary Of Project Blow We just had At Los Globos Last week No shit

We've been going strong That long I got down with them Around like the Fucking 10th anniversary Yeah But yeah man It's like my family um everybody like i rap with no can do the dumb found it uh we're all involved and it's been an la institution forever going back to the good

life cafe where uh people like ice cube and and uh fucking exhibit were rapping yeah on that point to the project Blow where MERS and all of them were around there and Living Legends and all of these cats and it's just been a real strong

family and lineage of LA hip hop for years and years and years and years and years and yeah man talking about music I fucked with

and crews I fucked with and I gotta shout out to Project Blow what a fucking thrill it must have been to come up on that and then to like yeah how dope is that? That's about the time that your idols become your rivals.

I mean, they definitely treated me like shit when I first got here. But that's to be expected. That's how it goes, right? Some fucking hanger on from Chicago that won't leave. Yeah. I definitely caught a little psychological hazing. Absolutely. But honestly, you know, L.A. has always been kind of infused with a territorialism anyway.

A lot of them cats grew up gangbanging and shit, and they don't really honestly take the outsiders. I mean, the song Sunshine Men is basically about that. Yeah. It's the don't come to L.A. if it's time. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I don't know. The first time I ever heard Mike like Mike like when you hear Seven Seal

you're like okay he's getting telepathic messages from aliens in the year 2000 BC you know what I mean like book of human language you're like how did you come up with that like as a human being it's like one of those things like I don't know how that was I mean you know honestly this was a cruel

a scene of cats whose sole existence their sole purpose in rap was to push each other to do the craziest things they could do stylistically. As an artist, that's so good. Well, they were doing shit that felt informed by the Jabberwocky, like Louis Cat shit, where it was like, this is poetry inspired, way more like they heard a rap song that made them i mean and like as like somebody that's been covering like la hip-hop forever like if you talk to a rapper that's like in their mid 30s to like mid 40s they all they were there like snoop dogg was there like uh dazzling corrupt were there uh like even skila was there all the time like randomly you know what i mean or like fat joe got booed off the stage i mean that was like a pilgrimage that was like kind of uh i mean probably like low in theory on some levels but it's not because but it comes from that same

from that it's true and nobody grew up you know with free stuff fellowship and producing when they were the younger ones producing for them and it yeah i mean just like i mean peace too like i mean peace where it was wasn't to be signed to Death Row at one point but like he was too crazy he was insane he was like which is amazing

it's like to be too crazy for Death Row it'd be pretty fucked up that's fucked up very crazy he's so proud of who I will not be signing this podcast

no no yeah Peace has never heard a podcast Inner City Grand yeah Peace has never what

what is this yeah freestyle is i mean volume 10 like pistol grip pump is an anthem uh i mean la cool like it was but it's funny like a black eyed peas even have sure project blow you know like it's been an la rap behind the front was fucking good bam yeah yeah inner city griots though was fucking great griots griots oh god i'm sorry yeah no it's okay yeah griots inner city griots with shammy and like shammy and also like in terms of like tomb and making certain selling tapes like that like that was a you know la was not there were tapes before that like i know dj quick sold the red tape and that was like a big hit but to do the independent uh tape trading scene that was very revolution i

think for the la versus the bay which is that not big in the is that is that big that was not in la because i don't know i was a bay thing i don't know the lineage of that was a bay thing that was a bay thing that was a bay because they they like man they look like man those mac trade tapes are like yeah i mean too short grew up in South Central until about 12 or 13 or something. They went on to the... But the original Project Blow compilation was one of the first professionally packaged CDs that didn't come from an actual record label. These were dudes, AC alone, Abstract Rule.

They were signed to majors. They were signed like Capitol and Mercury. They did their thing. They got dropped and they took that knowledge and made their own business. And they were one of the first underground entities to actually make products that looked like – Like before Hyro. Right. Like they kind of –

Right. And then they just – they had like – I imagine they had like the distributors here, and they just – Right. Exactly. They figured out how the system worked. And they knew how to go through. That's how they did it in the South, right? And then like Master P yeah yeah

Slayer Tapes Richmond California amazing pick really fucking good god yeah that's what I listened to yeah like way back in the day

uh well Mike if you have to if you have to leave I do thank you so much for joining us thanks for having me guys

yeah always a pleasure absolutely we should just talk rap with the four of us all the time and have that be a separate podcast. Absolutely. Yeah. I'd be fucking into that too. Major figures, man.

I gotta get down. Check it out. Major figures. Great. Philadelphia. Yeah. I can't see any more. Philly's most wanted.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cross the border, Mike. I just used to read stuff in The Source. Let me tell you that. Let's lightning round these last three picks. Okay, my last pick. Go ahead. Very strange pick.

A lot of people would not agree. I'm saying bad boy post Biggie. Post Biggie bad boy. Right after Biggie passed bad boy. Just because the story of that. You're a Carl Thomas guy. No, not Carl Thomas just like I'm talking about those two years after he

left like the shiny suit rapper era everybody talked so much shit but they were it there's so much music I love that was people just hating on the fact that Diddy was so that Diddy was so successful yeah you understand like

like Diddy was so bomb that all these other people were like fuck these shiny suits like because when the shiny suits came out don't pretend like you didn't want a shiny suit it was so cool when they fucking they had the fucking the message remix the been around the world video where like they drop in and they're like – all the people in the desert are like, is that Puff Daddy? Yeah. Like that crew was like – it was like – And they're like, David Bowie, drop it. And it was like as a group of people, it was like you saw that their leader got – somebody killed their leader and they galvanized and they mobilized.

And it was like that's an inspiring group of people to me. Bad Boy, Post, Biggie. Did he? and they mobilized and it was like that's an inspiring group of people yeah bad boy post biggie is just like and they had hits and they were doing it and they were relevant and it was like up until like the first the first black rob album was probably the last one in that yeah true story is about where it cut off but like i mean fuck no way out that album man victory young pop daddy and the family yeah the that album was good victory was victory so the victory video the money that they put on it like dennis hopper's and i just like just like that yeah that time period and those guys i think that was really like it's really inspiring to see a group of people who because they had their meal ticket biggie was going to take them all to the

famous land and he felt it'd be like if rockefeller without jay-z and it was just dame dash had been able to yeah like i think puff daddy is one of the best personalities in hip-hop just the fact he was on and then he was off and then he was like they you people have counted puff daddy out there's been several times in my life that he's been the wackest yeah like oh who's whack diddy's wag yeah and he comes back on him every time you gotta like and again now even like yeah yeah like and then yeah like i don't know i love friend of paris an underrated album don richard definitely yeah definitely an underrated album definitely an album and like no he does the guy doesn't have bars all that but like he doesn't need that but that's not what he does he Pure power of will. He doesn't write rhymes, he writes checks.

Yeah, exactly. Pure power of will. That's what Diddy is, and I respect that, and that's why Bad Boy posted... And it's weird to say post Biggie, because that's a weird thing, but Biggie wasn't... Because I don't... Biggie was an entity unto himself more than a crew. I don't... Yeah, they weren't a crew then.

They were just the other guys that... They felt like a support structure. Yeah, who was all in Junior Mafia besides Cease and Kim junior mafia besides yeah well there it is yeah who else was injured oh you know who's gonna be hurt by this that was craig mack you'll be hurt by it that make it before craig mack listen i love the year remix craig i don't know what to say wasn't craig mack not the craig mack craig mack was supposed to be the one to go though right it was? He was the first one. Biggie was a long shot. Yeah. There's a great video you can find online where it's like some old, like, there was

like the first bad boy tour, and it's like Biggie and Craig Mack, and you can tell that Biggie is just like, this is the corniest dude ever. There was no one ever uglier in rap than Craig Mack. Craig Mack is the ugliest person to ever live. He had, like, bumpy face. He makes Larry Bird look like Tyrese. He had like bumpy face. He makes Larry Bird look like Tyrese.

He had a bumpy face. He made Larry Bird look like Tyrese. Oh, man. That's on his tombstone. Shout out to Tyrese. Black tie. He tried to rap for a second. The handsome man. It was bad.

Post Biggie, bad boy. Excellent pick. Jeff Weiss, what is your final pick? There's a lot. I'm going to just run through the ones because I have to. Do it, do it. I got one that I haven't... Alright, there were a few that I wanted to choose.

DITC I wanted to choose. I wanted to choose Death Squad. Oh shit! Death Squad! Hyrule I wanted to choose. Keith Murray! Oh my god! The Click in E40 I wanted to choose. That's on mine too. The Click is on my list. Soul Assassins was interesting. Boot Camp Click, obviously.

Oh, yeah. And Brick Squad and Flavor Unit were also contenders. Sure, Brick Squad, for sure. Also Flavor Unit. Yeah, Flavor Unit. Brick Squad was great. But because they're the most fun to talk about, I'm going to go with Dipset. Oh, Dipset. Dipset was on mine just because I didn't realize until i got older that that was literally a

movement in new york city yeah i didn't understand at the time either yeah at the time i was like who the fucking dudes have a christmas album but like you go back what a christmas album i was watching i watched because i watched a bunch of videos to get ready for this this morning yeah well you texted me and i was rapping watching videos right now i watched the, now I have a purpose. I watched the Let Me Know video. Cameron, let me know. I watched that video. And it's so crazy because you just see the starts of the movement. Because it's like, let me know.

It's Jim Jones and him in the beginning. And then during the hook, he just has people on the street saying, let me know. It's just people. Yeah. It's not like a lot of rap used to be made for gangsters and shit. But Dipset was like for the people. Trying to pull the people in. Yeah, and they did. Dipset was like shit, but Dipset was, like, for the people. Trying to pull the people in. Yeah, and they did.

Dipset was, like, man, Dipset was, like, a movement in New York. Like, it's crazy. They were one of the first ones to really, like, get mixtapes outside of, like, they figured out, I mean, obviously mixtapes had been a huge thing in the five boroughs. But they were the first ones to figure out, okay, we got the internet, now we can get it everywhere. He had a song called I Got It From Ohio. Like, he was forever, like. Yeah. Man, like, yeah, Dipset was, like, Dipset was so dope. It was so dope. We can get it everywhere. He had a song called I Got It From Ohio. Like, he was forever. Like, man.

Like, yeah, Dipset was like, Dipset was so dope. It was so dope. Well, I feel they were, like, the first ones that, like, kind of brought, like, I mean, they had that Harlem style, which is pretty much a traditional element of, like, music from Harlem. But they also, like, they had that sense of humor, that, like, sense of absurdity that played well for the internet. They were ridiculous.

They were funny. They did albums about, like, Kevin Kaleidos and shit or whatever. Yeah, the Dvin colitis and shit yeah they were talking about how to sell crack and i was like these dudes are nuts yeah and you gotta listen to it like yeah dip set man and like they they figured out like the heat makers the fake kanye beats like they yeah i mean that that's like you know and cameron just in general like cameron's great before memes became a thing cameron understood like how the internet kind of worked and how to cameron is like the transition yeah he's like we to go from the old rappers he's a missing link yeah yeah he's another one of those guys he's like one of those guys who really held it down 50 probably were the ones in the and also

like curtis that diss of 50 one of the most underrated disses of all time. Yo, and, like, I also respect Dipset, the fact that they went to war with Jay-Z. Like, yo, you went at the throne. Yeah. Like, you gotta respect that. In New York, Joe Camel. Yeah, like, yeah, oh, man.

The way Max B wore thermals, I respect it. Man, shout out to Max B. All right, Jim Jones, Jim Jones wore thermals. But Max B also incredibly influential. I mean, who is Jim Jones if not Max B. All right, Jim Jones. Jim Jones wore thermos. But Max B also incredibly influential. I mean, who is Jim Jones if not Max B? Yeah. If you want to get into it. Jim Jones did not write We Fly High.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know that. Yo, he ain't wavy like the boy. Yeah. Shout out J.R. Reiter. Max B is a tastemaker, like on the low. I mean, Jewel's on, you know. And Jewel's was a kid.

Yeah. He was a little boy. Like on Hey Ma. I listened to that this morning, too. Hey Ma is a forever song. Hey Ma is never going to die. Just his whole thing. I told her I'm 18 and live a crazy life.

Like the Hey Ma video, Jewel's can't get in the club until Cameron comes that's like so good and you know that happened oh yeah cause he was a kid yeah a child fuck that would do it and even like lately the Dipset anthem is so good

Dipshits is good I like that song when I heard Dipshits my heart cause Dave Dash talking on the beginning, and then just, like, Cam walking with a fur through Harlem. You're like, yo, it's happening again. Yeah, it's back.

Oh, man. Also, the Kill a Season movie. Kill a Season the movie. Man, all white? All white dressed like Ronald McDonald? Yeah. Oh, man. Incredible fun cinema.

I just want to be a fly guy like Cameron still. Cameron was so fun. The Bill O'Reilly interview. Oh, man. Incredible. I just want to be a fly guy like Cameron Still. Cameron was so fun. The Bill O'Reilly interview. Oh, man. I know about you, doggy. You mad. You mad. I'll bust your ass.

You'll bust your ass here. The pink range. The pink range. Got shot in a Lamborghini. Liv drove to the hospital. The infamous Jesus tweet. Yeah, that's right. It was not even a question.

Man. Man, I love that tweet. He got driven to the hospital in a Lamborghini, right? He not even a question man you know man I love that he got driven to the hospital in a Lamborghini right he drove himself himself to a hospital in a Lamborghini bless his heart

kill a cam kill a cam came up with Mace doesn't come up anymore and Big L who you know D-I-T-C also was a

man alright I'm gonna close it out real quick close it out and thank all the listeners for sticking with us for seven hours

surely gotta be getting on with the way yeah the guy with the longest one this might be a record breaker dude uh i'm gonna take stone's throw the stone's throw click okay with uh charisma and peanut butter wolf that album is so fucking important to me peanut butter wolf is nuts yeah peanut butter wolf was crazy man but uh or is crazy charisma is the rap yeah me peanut butter wolf is nuts yeah peanut butter wolf was crazy man but uh or is crazy charisma is the rap yeah yeah peanut butter wolf hangs out he's like friends with andre and shit really he was djing at eric andre's birthday party last year peanut butter wolf great guy yeah yeah yeah very nice guy man i gotta go to one of the everybody talks about eric andre's birthday party i know like it comes up for me like once month. I hear about it like always the day after.

Yeah, yeah. Like I'm like, oh, man. Oh, we were at Eric Andre's birthday party. There was two giraffes. Yeah. There are. There's like shit like that, dude. Man.

And there's Peanut Butter Wolf DJing. But yeah, Big Shots, the album by Charisma and Peanut Butter Wolf is so good. Yeah. So good. I got it at like the college record store. And then like- Man, that's a good time. Burn through.

I love that. When you're like 21 and just finding some shit you don't think your friends are on, that's the best feeling in the world. Just enough money for one album and you nail it. Yeah, you got the good. I've definitely got the bad one. Fuck yeah, dude. I've definitely gone and got some.

I've heard of Cool Keith and then it was trash. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you spend the money and you get the good one. I bought a Cassidy on it. And your friends aren't on it. I used to live for like driving around in my Chevy Lumina playing some shit with my friends in there. My friends would be like, who is this?

It's still the best. Oh, you've never heard of Mike Jones the Magnificent? Adorable. I'm actually done with this tape. You can have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even play that shit anymore. Knowing I got it four hours prior.

But I just had to be cool, man. Fuck, that's still one of my favorite things would be driving around Portland with like Sean Jordan playing drafts. Like, dude, who is this? Because it's not Atmosphere, so we didn't know it. No one said Living Legends.

No, or the Rhymesayers crew, dude. Rhymesayers. But like, I i mean dilla put donuts out on that i don't know i don't wouldn't call maybe part of the crew maybe that's more mad lib is probably my best producers of all time yeah mad lib is fucking amazing mad villainy was great uh i i fuck with some quasimodo songs i't handle it. Some of it's a little weird, man, but I fuck with some of the Quasimodo songs. And your boy, Damn Funk, is like fucking with... Damn Funk's a true hero of modernity. Yeah. I mean, if you think about Funk, I mean, like, I have the utmost respect for Peanut Butter Wolf, like, obviously for doing the So-and-So thing, but in particular for Dame Funk, because if you think about it,

right, Dame Funk comes out in 2008. Yeah. He's a guy in his thirties. He's been doing this for a while. He's played, he's on like all from the I West side connection. I was playing keyboard.

Right. And like, just like a succession keyboardist. Yeah. At the time, like no one is saying funk music, right? They're like funk music.

That's been dead for 20 years. Yeah. But like, you have to give credit to somebody to have that kind of foresight and vision. And like certain, like, I don't give a fuck attitude to be like no we're putting it out right we're putting out and not only am i putting out it's a 25 song album like you know and like seven minute songs seven minute songs like no nothing remotely considering it like i mean who'd pass tax by a single but and to do it and to like kind of bet on something like damn funk who is i i think like

he's pure he's like made of music he's one of those people like prince the one that was like you are made of music it's just yeah it's just and now funk is like medium to which you speak yeah yeah with like thundercat and then i guess on a more commercial level donald yeah like i mean he was the first that new donald glover and i wanted to hate it yeah it's got some moments i want it does have some moments i wanted to hate it because i don't really like that guy me neither i mean i don't know i hear stuff in the comedy world too yeah yeah yeah yeah we're from a yeah yeah different perspective on him yeah yeah uh but yeah stone thorough i'd fuck with stone thorough just off Just off the Charisma and Peanut Butter Wolf alone, but there's other good shit in the

mix there. His name is Peanut Butter Wolf. Peanut Butter Wolf. Yeah, and if you ask him why, he's like, I'm not telling. Oh, but there is a story. There is a story, yeah. There is a story behind it. I don't even...

I don't think I've ever... I'm trying to like... Theory. Peanut Butter on the genitals, where you would make a dog lick it off. But what if it was a wolf? It would eat the genitals where you would make a dog lick it off. But what if it was a wolf? It would eat the genitals. Here's what I was thinking in my head. There was some type of situation where he was in a confrontation with a bunch of wolves.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he had to use some peanut butter to throw them. Up in Griffith Park. Yeah, like they were going to fight him. Yeah. And he threw the peanut butter in the bushes. Yeah.

They went for the butter. He went home. And he went home. Made a beat. You made a beat. Well, this has been a fucking marathon. Man, this was good, though. The best day of my life. This is great.

I had a great time, man. This was a fun, fun. Nobody even got to DPGC. Four rounds only. I mean, we left some shit. Yeah, right. I was so sure somebody was going to. Yeah, I mean, Death Row.

Because it's like, it was one of those things where it's like, is that a clique? Is that a group? Right. Aftermath, same left some shit. Yeah, right? I was so sure somebody was gonna... Yeah, I mean, Death Row, because it's like, it was one of those things where it's like, is that a clique? Is that a group? Right? Aftermath, same way. Yeah. Aftermath. But nobody, I mean, A$AP Mob. Shady Aftermath. Shady Aftermath. G-Unit. G-Unit definitely was. I'm just glad we didn't... I thought we were gonna get to the dregs. I thought we were gonna be picking the St. Lunatics, by the way.

We might have been if we went five rounds. Yeah, how dare you besmirch the fine name of Murphy Lee. I'm sorry. So just to recap, Mike Eagle went Native Tongues, Wu-Tang Clan, Outsiders, and Project Blow. It's a strong list. Strong list. David Boy, you went Rockefeller, Cash Money, Rough Riders, and Post Biggie Bad Boy. Oh, man.

I got hits on mine. That is jiggy. Yo, mine is the ass cap list. Jeff, you hit a lot of royalties, dude. I'm at the publishing on your list. Yeah. A lot of samples, too, though. the ass cap list. Jeff, you hit a lot of royalties, man. I want the publishing on your list. Yeah. A lot of samples, too, though. A lot of samples.

Jeff, you went Dungeon Family, Screwed Up Click, The Juice Crew, and Dipset. That's like a true head list. That's a great fucking list. That's like, you should be proud of that list. I don't even know what to make of my good music. I'll tell my mom that. She'll be like, I don't know what you're talking about. What's a hat?

Well, I'm one, Mom. Your son is a hat! Good music, Top Dog Entertainment, Slash Black Hippie, Missy Elliott, whatever we decided to call it, the Virginia Crew, and Stone's Throw. I like yours because it's all over the place. It's real crazy shit. It's really like, it shows an affinity for the culture as a whole. Thank you very much.

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