All Fantasy Everything - Sneakers (w/ Russ Bengtson, David Gborie & Sean Jordan)

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is All Fantasy Everything, the podcast that fantasy drafts the entire world. Everything from condiments to video games and anything else the imagination can conjure. On today's episode, we're drafting sneakers because we have with us the former editor of Slam Magazine, a man who has written about sneakers for everyone from GQ to Complex, Russ Bentsen. With me as always are my co-hosts Sean Jordan and David Borey. Let's get into it. welcome to all fantasy everything the only podcast that had to do the intro six times because it's zoom kept kicking him out

uh yeah sorry man uh you're just so good at it that it uh you know why are you apologizing i'm an apologizer david it's not your fault i'm gonna put this on big internet you heard me spectrum fantasy everything the the draft of intros exactly yeah you can pick which one of those you want to you want to add the one where the zoom kicked me out halfway through the one where i forgot how to say like video games the one where i mispronounced your last name there's so many there's so many to pick from you called him bori because there's a g in there that you didn't know what was happening that happens to a lot of people that happens to a lot of people that's common they calling me yeah it sure it sure did kick me out uh sean jordan is here sean s jordan on twitter sean cougar melton jordan on instagram bud yeah i'm right here sean sean cougar going hiking

in the real world is what is what's the case dude my buddy big torque fucking daddy hustled me into going on this hike he said it was a walk around Mount Hood, I believe is how he described it. Yeah. Which is Buck in itself. It was 40 miles with a 30-pound backpack, and you know, I haven't done that ever. I'm sorry, I hate to cut you off. The term is rucksack. It was a 30-pound rucksack. I got your 30-pound rucksack

swinging, boy. You better wash your ass early. Don't mobilize insults I taught you against me. Don't do that to me. Yeah, anyway, it was a gnarly hike i'm glad i made it back i was 30 pound buck sack dude what was what was going on up there what was so gnarly about it you what so you start at timberline lodge and then even on the map it says if you're going straight you're doing something wrong so you go up and down the whole time and it's i mean you know it's not like we were ever just like, I can't make it.

But it fucking it was gnarly, dude. Bucket's thing I've ever done for damn sure. And ever done ever. Yeah. And I killed a few guys. So. So, yeah, it was gnarly, man. You know, I was telling David and I can't remember if you were here yet, Russ, but the first night we heard,

and I will swear it was just a blood curdling scream from a man at three 36 in the morning. It woke me up and it was a scream and it went, it was two in a row and they were real loud, real Basie, but it was the scream of I'm being attacked, not the scream of I am attacking. I think it was somebody in the woods listening to big freedom it was terrifying i think it was some dude like release your wiggle and you

were like oh no whatever it was they released my wiggles for the rest of the trip any part of you think it was a skunk cave dude sasquatch bigfoot dude we hypothesized the shit i was like maybe i was trying i was trying to be all you know happy-go-lucky i was like maybe a chipmunk got into someone's tent and freaked him out yeah yeah i was like what that's why i love you man maybe a chipmunk maybe a chipmunk was up to some mischief maybe it was the cutest thing that could have happened we did see a grip of chipmunks i've never really seen i don't think i've seen a bunch of chipmunks in my life you know well you don't get that when you hang out in parking lots all the time i've seen drug dealers way older than me i've seen gave me shitty i've seen dudes named chipmunk

yeah man i've been hiking and i'm done hiking that's why you go on a 40 mile hike dude you go on a 40 mile hike you see some chipmunks it's worth it man that's the juice is worth a squeeze uh you know what i'll say is i thought about how lucky i am that i get to do this for a living and that i get to go and do stuff like that so thank you to you guys for making this super dope and letting me do this i can't i can't believe it sometimes it's so cool i'm a very positive person russ and so i think about stuff like this a lot and i was thinking about that heavily it never comes up i straight up said to ian and david yesterday that i think i just said i love you like you know like you would mountain changes you man oh man i was

gonna respond with that uh stock butthole picture yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, no, I love you too, dude. I held it back for you, man. David's got a picture of a butthole he'll unleash on us like once every, probably once a month. Yeah, but only for friends. Only for friends and family, though. It's not mine.

It's on the friends and family plan. The man with the butthole picture is David Boyd, the genius island on Twitter. Cool guy jokes 87 on Instagram. Scandalous on the text messages. How have you been doing, buddy? Oh, man, you know, I'm out here. What am I ever doing?

I'm taking my walks. I'm hanging out. I went to Malibu with my friend the other day and got a lobster, like a live lobster, I went to Malibu with my friend the other day and got a lobster, like a live lobster, and then got used Mike Malloy's, a thermos Mike Malloy's left at my house. Oh, God. I bet he has so many thermoses. Dude, you know that guy loves thermoses from day one because he's got to keep his soup hot for whatever he's doing around town. I'm going to Ralph's.

Let me bring this crab bisque. We got a friend named Mike Malloy who has the weirdest dining habits in the world like we'll go out for like a night you know we're gonna like we would get drunk we'd be at a bar it'd be after a show and he'd order a hot pot pie not that there's a cold pot pie no but he would be like you know what i think the kid needs a shepherd's pie yeah because he's because he's also from Boston. He's a psychopath. But yeah, I used Mike's thing. We got some ocean water, came back, steamed the lobsters in ocean water. And that was the highlight of my last week.

Did it try singing to you in a Jamaican accent to keep you from cooking it? Like as a last ditch effort? It was like, let me tell you a little story about Lexi. Her hair was like a bunch of rose. And I was like, whoa, murder, she wrote. I killed you, Lobster. That joke is for seven of our listeners. Yeah, no, it didn't make any noise.

I couldn't hear it, but it was a fun day. Other than that, you know, basketball never existed, so I'm good. No, it did exist. I saw virtual fan carms last night. Basketball is not real. All right. There's never been a team from Denver, Colorado, and they've never gotten blown out. So, you know, I'm just living my life.

Isn't there the rumor? Maybe it's not a rumor. Maybe I'm an idiot. But like when you cook a lobster or boil it, the air coming out of them sounds like a scream. Am I crazy? That's what I've heard. I did not hear that with my steaming pot, though. No, that's screaming.

That's an actual scream. That's what I feel like. That's what parents tell their kids. Like, no, no, they love it. It's like they want to be food. That's just air coming out the circle of life, actually. So it's a pretty positive experience all around. But dad, don't we eat the gazelles? Well, Simba. And then he just tells him, well, they become the grass. it's a circle of life actually so it's a it's a pretty positive experience all around but dad

don't we eat the gazelles well simba and then he just tells him well they become the grass it's like yeah tell that to the gazelle homeboy they don't feel the same way simba the scream you hear when the lobster enters the pot is them thanking the gods for turning them into food ladies and gentlemen james earl jones stopped by that's nice it was nice you to do jimmy i call james earl jonesowitz dude you know me first of all nobody has ever called him jimmy not since that night in philadelphia you don't think like some method actor called him jimmy at some point you know how method actors are always doing calling bobby deniro and shit no i don't know that what are you talking about what the fuck are you doing you Bobby De Niro and shit. No, I don't know that. What are you talking about?

What the fuck are you doing? You know what I'm talking about, right? What are you doing? Baby? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That part is absolutely up for the judges. But Ian, man, we have a text thread, me and you, for a reason. And so you can back me up on stuff like this. Whoa, you got a text thread without me? Damn. Okay. Okay, 2020. Why don't you take a long walk off a short pier? Maybe I'll drop Ian some of the texts that you send just me, Sean.

Wow. It's mostly how much you love me and Ian, but you still don't want him to see that. I just send you different buttholes to choose from to send us both don't take my bits don't take my bits on here don't take my bits on here uh also here with us russ bankson did i fuck did i get that right once i get it no no oh thank god i have this thing where i'm like okay i got it wrong the first time then i got corrected and now i know how to say it right. But then my brain just keeps being like, dude, that's not it. He hates you now.

I do. I feel you. I know. I know what you're saying. You're very safe. You're very safe. At least you're not trying to spell it. That's when everyone gets it wrong.

Everyone just transposes the T and the S like every single time. And it's happened places where I've actually worked before where it's like, Hey guys, you could, you could look this up. It's not hard. That's unacceptable. It's in an, it's in an email, right? Or it's all over. Yeah. It's everywhere. It's not like it's my Twitter handle and my Instagram handle and my email address. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's someone with a sneaky G it's not like I haven't said it to you. You know? That's what I always get. It's not like you haven't heard me say my name.

Exactly. You know people are going to get it wrong. It's good to have a couple of sneaky Gs on the podcast at the same time. Yeah, no shit. Forever and ever, baby. Yeah. Forever and ever, baby. I'm the same old G myself, but that's neither here nor there. I wish I never showed you that song.

I'm so happy. It's the nicest thing you ever did for me, bud. We had to. Yeah. I was upset that you had never heard it i was like this song he wrote that for you yeah well good i mean the mountain changed me but until then i was the same old g yeah yeah now you're a slightly different g but enough to say enough commonalities that like you can still you know even though you're on tv just a little more oh no i don't do tv my choice even though you hike where they ski you know even though you hear the weird scream oh man that's why you're it that's why you're it that's why you're you man you did me bro uh the way you spell it by the way for those looking to follow him on instagram and twitter is r-u-s-s it's a traditional russ and then b-e-n-g-t-s-o-n

correct yes sir yes sir nothing nothing it's right on the screen there or anything but no your name says kill shot on my screen so i don't know what you're doing my screen is off right now dude so i could be anywhere you don't know where i am i'm recording what are you doing are you outside at your new house with your shirt off letting them know? I'm at a crowded bar. I think you're protecting your Bolivian interests. I'm at a crowded bar, dude. You know what I've been feeling lately?

I've been just saying, yeah, I was outside, and it's you. I can feel myself being you. But the other day, I was telling Laura my vows. I was like, my vows are going to be every step you take by a sting, but I'm not going to look at you. I'm going to look at a stranger. I feel like I'm being you when I do that. Eyes on a stranger, dude.

That's how you know. That's how she knows you mean it. Yep. I let him know. Russ, Russ, how are you doing, buddy? I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. I've been out here on Long Island at the folks' house since the start of all this,

so I've completely lost track of what day it is, what month it is, what year it is. Yeah. I'm sure it's been said a million times before, but March feels like it was 50 years ago and also five minutes ago. 100%. I haven't quite figured out. I forget who it was, but someone tweeted yesterday that they were just thinking that, you know, the 4th of July was coming soon.

And it's true. It's like, you have no idea of anything. We've lost all contact. Absolutely not. Also that we got basketball playoffs going into September. Yeah, it's so disorienting. I don't, everything's fucked, dude.

It's all. Yeah, basketball playoffs with baseball and hockey and it's just like all the all the normal markers are gone it's it's like the year fell off the shelf and we're like oh shit oh wait where did this go where i can't remember we're trying to like dust it off and pick it up but you're like man oh i think i think it's broken oh i think it's broken plus like halloween was last night you know it's crazy damn and then you decide to just put it back somewhere it doesn't go like listen i know candles don't go next to the produce but here we are this is where i decided to put it

someone else will straighten this out exactly the target's got dudes who just zone all day for this look for the guy in the red vest. He's got it. Also, shout out to everybody at Target doing zoning. I was a cashier, but I still respected what you did. Dude, I zoned hella at QFC. That's a quality food center. That's a Pacific Northwest specific grocery store. Great cookies.

You worked at QFC? Great cookies. I worked at QFC for a short summer stint. Really? Way before I knew you. I had a cup of coffee at a qfc i i remember i saw someone steal from qfc when i was in there and i was i mean this is like five years ago it's weird to see someone steal when you're a full grown-up because in my mind i'm like well i'm not gonna tell on them probably because what's you know what am i gonna be like hey that person's stealing i just it's weird to me the only thing

worse than being a full grown-up stealing is a full grown-up snitching on somebody's stealing yeah you just want to buy it for i wanted to walk up and be like hey man i'll get it you know don't don't steal you know i was saying i saw someone stealing from qfc like five years ago as an adult oh yeah it's a weird feeling because you don't want to snitch on them really but then you're like well what do you you know don't steal it's what are you doing you're being a jerk you don't know what they're going through you know what i mean they could uh yeah going through qfc without paying for their shit is what they're doing maybe they used to work at that qfc and they're trying to take revenge bro maybe

it's not stealing it's express self-checkout that's exactly hell yeah it is if it's stealing then prove these weren't 10 pounds of bananas right yeah maybe i came in with that ham bro put it on a t-shirt maybe i came in with that ham the ian carmel story we don't know we don't know where i got that ham that is an amazing title for an autobiography a hundred percent a hundred percent am i shrugging on the cover of it i feel like that's a shrug maybe i came in with this hand when you open it that's what it said maybe i came in with this what are you doing you don't know me you pull a string and it's me saying that i it's an audio it's an early audio damn you're gonna make a million dollars incredible incredible there's no there's

no disguising it folks my internet is horrible today and it keeps kicking me out of the zoom we might as well acknowledge it yeah let them know uh i'm embarrassed i i uh i feel childish and unprepared i have a few words i'm gonna put out there no man it ain't it ain't nothing to do with you it's just that shit happens like if you know if it boots you out we'll we'll pick it up unprepared are the two words i'm gonna put out there no man it ain't it ain't nothing to do with you it's just that shit happens like you know if it boots you out we'll we'll pick it up till you get back ain't no thing and i'm not gonna stop downloading everquest you know what i mean i'm downloading it right now on three different computers if you weren't trying to download that nelly album that never came out oh man are you getting sweat or suit i'm getting ah dude i'm

getting terrycloth dude it's a. It's a third. Whoa! Yep. That was like the B-suts. Yeah. It was a middle. Terry Cloth was the backup singer. Nelly and Terry Cloth. It was a middle album. Oh, my God.

Between the sweat and the suit, where he took a quick shower and a disc on that. Oh, man, I get it. I get it. Russ, you were the editor-in-chief of Slam Magazine. Yeah, that was a while ago, the it was during kind of the fun period you know it was like late 90s into the into the early 2000s so you know the iverson's prime or iverson going into his prime lebron coming into the league um obviously the the late kobe bryant and actually i guess that would have

included michael jordan's wizard's career that actually never really happened and it's just i was popular to bring that up we were talking about all these amazing basketball things controversial opinion wizards mike my favorite mike i said it i don't mean that that is certainly controversial yeah i said it i wanted to be cool for my friends on a podcast. Don't just say shit to say it. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I like that you made it almost all the way through it before you gave up on it. Even as it was coming out of my mouth, I was like, this is fucking ridiculous. What am I saying? Yeah. That man had six championships basically back to back. Man. I mean, I remember him playing, because he played his final game with the Wizards, I in philly and i was kind of tempted to go and i was just like oh i just don't want to ruin it for myself like i i want to i want to think of them before all that yeah yeah you

don't have to have that last one you don't have to have that last round it is funny though because i feel like as we get further removed from wizard's mic like wizard's mic was actually pretty good oh my god we have more than one ian now what's whoa there's two in carmel that's at least one in carmel too many yeah you're joking but i'm shook no i'm i'm scared he's multiplying dude what did the internet do it It says Bloods and Crips on mine. There's somehow two of him and none of him. I guess the average is one. Wait, we're down to one now.

Can you hear me? Yeah. I killed the other one. This is like that Michael Keaton video all over again. How do we know you're the real Ian Carmel, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me something only the real Ian would know about me. Okay. Let me hear it. You know, we met yeah. Yeah. Tell me something only the real Ian would know about me. Okay.

Let me hear it. You know, we met originally in Portland. It was during a chili cook-off. This guy's a hack. Get him out. Shit. Shit. Get him out of the microphone.

Who are you? Who are you? Who are you? There's three of us now. There's only one way to solve this. We have to fuck each other. Wait. Oh, dear. Wait, did we do? I don't know.

I guess I came in pretty hot with that. Yeah, that was aggressive. What are you... Listen, why don't just the two of you kiss and I'll do the podcast? We join the reboot of Multiplicity now in progress. I'm just glad somebody made it. I've been pitching it for years. I'm just glad somebody made it.

I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it. I'm just glad somebody made it.

I've been pitching it for years. I'm so sorry about that, guys. That was a good bit, my friend. Something weird's going on here. I left Glendale and nothing's been the same ever since. That was awesome. I am so sorry about this. I usually have a great internet connection connection i was a virtual fan last night

and i saw maybe that's what did it yeah what was that like for you honestly it's not that great because you're in you have to watch the game on your computer and everyone's mic'd up like everyone else in like the in the row you're in is like miked up oh really and several people are just having like side conversations with people who are like off camera sucks that is a bummer so it's like being at a game with a bunch of people who are on their phones that's exactly right yeah which happens but and i don't remember what the result of the game was but like uh you know it got me i don't think it counted honestly i don't remember what the result of the game was, but like, you know, it was me. I don't think it counted. Honestly, I don't think it counted. I think it was an exhibition game.

I think it's a wash. I was telling Russ and Sean, I was watching the first game for midway through the first quarter. So I don't know either. Yeah, no, there's no way to tell, actually. I mean, the good thing is, you know, no matter what you say, you're not going to be as profane as Mello. So, oh my God, you got that going for you

that is 100 true i also don't understand like i love the whole mic'd up thing but do you really need to mic players up when there's no one else there like isn't effectively everyone mic'd up at that point we can hear them exactly we can hear everybody except when mellow grabs a rebound and then we can hear absolutely nothing damn do it too he should have to put i mean he's he's great he just yells uh get the fuck out of here every time he grabs a rebound and he yells it loud but like you've never played pickup with that dude i have a gun in the trunk all right dude shit i mean they did the they did the two versions of uh the last dance i don't understand why they can't do the profane versions of the live nba games it would be a lot

more entertaining i would absolutely pay slightly extra i'm not gonna go crazy it wouldn't be like 20 extra but i would pay slightly extra for the profane version with the with the virtual fans uh is it so when they're in that when they're playing the game, can they hear noise that we can hear on TV? Like, are they pumping that in? As a virtual fan? Oh, sure. But like, can the players hear it too? Like, can they hear?

Like, does it sound like they have a crowd? I have no idea. I don't know what the players are hearing. They say that they can hear us, but I don't think that's true. Okay. I was wondering, I didn't have a good answer last night and it all seems weird to me because it's such a little place so it'd be weird to pump in full shit if you're playing you'd be like come on i'm not what do you you know just let me play it's

yeah like it'd be like hey i can hear that lady having a conversation about like uh how pizza hut delivered a pete the wrong pizza for 15 minutes yeah and you don't want you know especially when people have the anonymity of being an individual being at home they can say whatever they want i don't want i don't want to hear everything someone has to say when i can't run up in the stands when that threat's gone i don't need it you're invoking the the malice in the palace i was bringing it up i'm sneaky i'm sneaky like that if i can't run up there and fucking check your tone for you, then I don't need you to have a tone to be checked. I got you.

I feel you. Thanks, bud. Now, I am also here. Ian Carmel. Ian Carmel on Twitter. Ian Carmel on Instagram. Wait, were we done talking? I fucking got kicked out while you were mid talking about being at slam during one of

the most fun years of basketball. I mean, I think I was basically done. done i mean we could always get back to anything we got off on this little michael jordan with the wizards tangent which is a tangent that i don't think we needed necessarily to be on so you know that's a fair point that's a fair point i don't think he needed to be on it either no it was a good time though it was a good time and and like you know i started a slam at kind of the right time like the first all-star game i went to was 97 in cleveland which was where they did the nba 50 oh my god yes like to go to your first like party at all-star weekend and find yourself amongst like all the all-time greats it's like you know going up to the the buffet

table behind moses malone like all right this is something i'm gonna get used to and what is he is he a big crab legs guy at the at the buffet table you know what that's a good question i don't recall offhand i probably should but um he he played for so long i feel like he's to eat clean. I bet Moses put up great stats at the buffet table. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Like a Hollandaise cup. You know what I mean?

Like that kind of thing. You're like, I was going to get a Cheddar Bay biscuit, but I was behind fucking Moses Malone. Just walked off with the whole table. Yeah, I was saying no more. I was saying no more. Fucking Trey. Vegetarian radical.

You put up 25, 20, and 13 at the buffet table. And that was just at the soft serve machine. Triple, double Ria. Yes. Yes. Gross, dude. Is that a poop joke? That's gross, Sean.

Come on, man. You know we don't do that here. Comedy's done, man. I'm out here making poop jokes again. Don't do it. I'm sure we'll talk about that more as we get into the sneakers. I have nothing. I have nothing to promote. Keep watching the late

late show where I am now on there. I'm on there. I'm like that. I'm the Andy Richter. It's sick, dude. Sick. That's all I got to say about it. Also respect you're putting on for your city every episode. Have you ever not worn blazers on it got kicked out james corden reached out this time and got him yeah too much

publicity yeah no no no cut carmel it's so rad to see just and yeah like someone even quote or said like uh you know saw someone repping for the Blazers. I wonder who that could be. It's dope to be able to do that. I can't do that for South Dakota because South Dakota is blowing it way too hard right now for anyone to want to rep for. You can't do that for the Sioux Falls Sky Force? Oh, man, they're blowing it so hard, South Dakota.

All those COVID cases that came out of Sturgis, It's like, yeah, dog, what you didn't, you didn't see that coming. Of course that was going to happen. Dipshits. Yeah. I mean, at least the Sturgis thing, I guess a lot of it's outside, but I assume the bars were probably super packed. I man, I've been a couple of times. It is gnarly. And, uh, yeah, I can't imagine anybody was trying to, trying to do anything. I think I've only seen Sturgis on American Pickers or whatever show ends up making that pilgrimage with their hobbies. Yo, Sturgis only exists in theory to me, for sure. For sure. How old were you when you first went, Sean?

Well, so my dad was in the hospital there which is why i went i think it was 2003 because i got a shirt so uh he was hospitalized in sturgis before the rally he was the most gangster shit i've ever heard he was in rapid but i went to the rallies anyways and it's like it's so and this was you know 17, still crazy. And it's just been getting crazier ever since I went in like 2007 or something, I think, to see my dad again. But during the rallies, I just dipped over. And it's it's what you think it is. Like, it's I don't know if it's calmed down.

I doubt it has. But just like Bedlam. I mean, like no rules. It just felt like anything goes. And there's real like there were real bikers there, too. You know, like actually mostly or is it mostly like there were real bikers there too you know like actually mostly or is it mostly like people who are trying to be cool i think it's like dennis bringing their bringing their shit on like a a truck and then they bring it to 30 miles out of town and then

they put their gear on and then you know right but it is crazy because anywhere else you see like 10 or 15 bikers and it's like oh man and there it's like what 250 000 of them i mean yeah god right right it's intimidating man like i would you know you ain't gonna catch me out there being like hey put a mask on i went to this is sean you'll love this story i went to a juggalo show once in commerce city colorado and there was a bunch of bikers called the hell's Brothers. So it was just black dudes who I guess loved hell. And it was mad intimidating. It was mad intimidating. I was standing out front of the venue.

I was like, yeah, this is scary. I'm like, scary, you guys. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's not. Ian said he's restarting his Internet, by the way. So we should be all good. But yeah, that shit. It is.

There's that mystique. It is scary, man. Seeing all these bikers. I don't know. I'm not going to mess with them. I just stay out of there. But you know, my mom lives in South Dakota, so I wish they'd chill out. Frigging jerks.

You know, my mom lives in Norway and the Norway rally. Trump loves it. He loves Norway. I was going to say, they don't have gatherings of 250,000 bikers norway no they're not doing yo they're chilling heavy all they're doing out there is eating fish and hating swedes there you go there you go hey damn that's all they ever do i talk to her all the time they just yeah i guess norwegians hate swedish people let's continue down the career path russ what was after slam oh well after slam there was definitely a stretch of of freelancing uh which was a lot of writing for slam and then writing for a bunch of internet sites internet sites the worst thing i could just say sites dude i catch myself slipping

like that sometimes where i'm just like you know there were water waves i was out there surfing i just rejoined and i want to confirm were were these internet sites on the World Wide Web? They were. They were. And the key word there being were, because definitely I, like a lot of other people who wrote in the aughts, have a lot of stuff that is no longer on the internet anywhere, as far as I know. A lot of sites that disappeared and just exist in our memories and probably not even that. But yeah.

And then I ended up working for Complex for a while. I was their first sneaker editor, which I guess is... Oh, that's tight, dude. That's anxious. I mean, that was fun. That was fun. Got to do a show with DJ Clark Kent. I don't know if that's even on the internet anymore.

Superman. They're still up there. They're still up there. Okay. Okay. But that was also during the weird phase of internet for video Oh yeah, Superman. They're still up there. They're still up there. Okay, okay. But that was also during the, you know, the weird phase of internet for video or video for internet, not internet for video.

Good job. Where it's like, yeah, we're going to do this show, but it needs to be like nine minutes long because no one is going to watch anything longer than that. And it's like, you know, we would interview like Spike Lee or Dikembe Mutombo or whoever for like 40 minutes and it would get cut

down to like a four minute segment in a nine minute video and that's how long it takes him to say dikembe mutombo there wasn't much left there wasn't much left but yeah i don't how do you cut down like an interview with fat joe down to like four minutes i've lost jobs off of this i think it's impossible i've lost jobs off of this. I think it's impossible. I've lost jobs off of that opinion. Well, and it's kind of now, it's funny, because now you get into like podcasts and stuff, like, you know, that you can go on for an hour or two hours and people still pay attention to it.

It's not, well, dog, we had to cut this shit from two and a half hours to an hour and a half. They will listen. Which we're doing a terrible job of right now it's pretty fun that's my internet's fault but no that's amazing so somewhere there's like these basement tapes there's like all these like recordings of you and these amazing people yeah and dj clark kent like interviewing them and there's all this like cutting room floor footage right and i'm sure you know i'm sure there's a lot of tangential stuff

that could be cut but there was definitely a lot of stuff that shouldn't have been cut that got cut. So, um, yeah, I don't know. Can I ask you a weird personal question just so from someone who couldn't get slam magazine because he also got a subscription to the source magazine and his mom was like, you can't have two subscriptions to magazines. You're 15 years old. What are you doing? But went down the street to his friend, Chris White's house, who did have Slam Magazine. Nice. What's your favorite Slam cover? It's probably still that Iverson cover.

Issue 32. Yes. I knew that was going to be it. And it's funny. I mean, I feel weird claiming that one sometimes because I actually wrote the story, but I wasn't at the cover shoot. I didn't know. Oh man, that rules. We weren't sending a ton of people to cover shoots back then. I mean, I think it was like the editor in chief who at that time wasn't me and you know, the photographer and whatever else. And as it turned out, Iverson, I believe was eight hours late to that shoot, which is kind of normal for him. I think he's

going to be late. Bubba Chuck's going to Bubba Chuck, you know? I think they would tell him things were starting, like, you know, a couple hours before they were, and he would still manage to be that late. So, you know, he was probably eight hours late. He probably only thought he was six hours late. I don't even know, but... That probably worked once.

You know what I mean? Telling him, like, hey, it's starting, it's actually, you know, telling him it's two hours earlier than it was. That worked one time, I bet. Right, right, right. Or it's like, yeah, it's, you got to start telling him it's starting uh it's actually you know telling them it's two hours earlier than it was that worked one time i bet right right right or it's like yeah it's it's you gotta start telling them it's like the day before yeah because the problem is you're like oh it's it's then that i'm gonna i'm gonna come four hours late well i mean we had we had one shoot we did when i was editor to shoot him for the cover and we we drove down to philly

with the photographer we set everything up it was supposed to happen after practice, which I mean, for a regular player, that would make sense for Iverson. Obviously you still don't know. And the Sixers PR person went to check, like if he's getting ready or whatever and comes back in is like, yeah, he left. Oh my God. And she couldn't get him back. So we drove all the way back to New York without having shot him.

This was the same photographer who had shot him for that 32 cover when he was eight hours late so you know it went from eight hours late to actual infinity late is eight hours late even late or is that just like i was straight up not gonna come i don't know i don't know i mean that's kind of like that's kind of like lauren hill territory right i mean that's the thing that was big that kind of became the thing where it's like you know lauren hill's uh anniversary tour for her album is probably just her tour for her album that she finally went on so and i mean that's worse obviously a photo shoot like you're just inconveniencing like five or six people it's not it's not the end of the world you should have had it at a tgi fridays yeah that is what i should have or like actually you know gone to his house wherever that was and just waited in his driveway for him but

you know clearly he would have been late for that too i think yeah i think fridays is probably the best that's how maxim got me that's amazing i think my i think my internet is working right now so it seems i think you're hot it seems to be holding steady i just had to i went over and i just had i kneeled down i talked to it like a like a toddler who was sort of misbehaving i wasn't angry i just i was like what's going on bud you know you want to get on the internet's level you don't want to talk at it you want to talk with it yeah i got down there dude i got on some internet sites dude site to site eyeline bro it, bro. It's all about I want it.

Now, we are gathered here today to hear amazing stories like Allen Iverson being eight hours late to a photo shoot and the amazing Soul on Ice cover, the Allen Iverson one. God, it's so fucking cool, by the way. I was really hoping that was going to be your favorite. It's crazy that it's been like, you whatever 20 years since that happened like whenever i hear about anniversaries like that about stuff i was involved in i'm like wait a minute no that can't be possible right that just came out like a couple years ago everything's a couple years ago everything that all that also feels like like two months ago and a hundred years ago like you were saying

right right right well i mean it's crazy like i don't know and you know you know ian but like i'm definitely on twitter too much for my own good and like oh yeah me too you know i saw someone tweeted the other day about it was 30th anniversary i think of uh allison chain's first record and i was like oh no it's been 30 years since like exile on on Main Street or like the White album. Like those are 30 year old albums. There's no way that an Alice in Chains record is 30 years old.

Like I saw him on that tour. That wasn't 30 years ago. And tragically, it was 30 years ago. 30 fucking. That's exactly right. It's fucking crazy. Every time I look 30 years ago, Beatles. You know what I mean?

That's like what I think. Now that shit is like 30 years ago. I straight up used to poop my pants. Yeah. And I mean, you deal with that what you will. And that'll be true for the rest of your life. Yeah. It'll be true 30 years from now.

That poop's made of lobster and seawater now, but it's still poop in your pants, my friend. Lobsters. God, where are we going? Somewhere good. Somewhere good, pal. pants my friend mobsters god what where are we going what somewhere good somewhere good bro i also really like my favorite slam one of my is that lebron sebastian telfair i really like that bassy dude as a as a as a blazer fan yeah so somewhere i have like uh a sepia toned shot which makes sense from when we shot sebastian and and lebron that was in uh the gym at hunter college oh wow like we went and we were shooting around like with them and

you know it's crazy to think like same thing like every time you hear lebron oh 17th year he's 35 years old like no he isn't no yeah no it's not possible i'm 35 years old. How can LeBron be 35 years old? As someone who is 24, it is crazy. Yeah, we're all very young. I am actually 35 and watching LeBron be 35, I'm like, okay, we're different ages. Like, were you younger than me once? I just said that watching the game yesterday. I was like, it's crazy that this dude is 35 but also as old as my dad yeah he seems like older like me 35 is like oh i gotta cut down on how many nights i get blackout drunk

and he's like a father and like a political figure and like balding you know i can i can barely read he sent 50 kids to college yeah well like, yeah, going gray and dunking on people. Yeah. Yeah. I will say he sure is. Figure out what you're going to do with the hairline, man. I'll commit to anything, but you got to commit first. You know what I mean?

What's the hair situation going to be? Because if the back goes before that fake front goes, now you're upside down. That's how the economy did that. You know what I mean? Farmers have to let barns collapse so they can get the insurance money. Exactly. My man's got a housing crisis hairline. Is that true?

That's one of those things that I think I know, but I have no idea why. About his hair? Yeah, it's true. No, about the barns looking all decrepit because if they don't collapse naturally, farmers don't get the insurance money. I've heard that's true, too. I've only heard that as a rumor as well. I've never confirmed it. Please chime in, all family.

Now, we do have to draft. I'm so sorry about the draft. I'm so sorry about the delays. I really do apologize to all four of you for wasting your time with that, but thank you for filling in. Ian, 10 people listen to this podcast. Apologize to them individually. Yeah. Derek.

I'm sorry. Pants lasagna, and then like three more pants lasagna stand accounts. That's not true. It's thousands and thousands of people, just so you know you're not completely wasting your time on this beautiful Sunday. Never, never, never.

But the way we determine the order of the draft there we go is through a rollicking game of rock paper scissors play between the three of you and we throw on shoot here we go rock paper scissor shoot david oh david wins because he threw the odd rock fuck off david as the winner of Rock Paper Scissors, it is incumbent upon you to determine the order of today's draft. But before you do that, I will remind you it is a serpentine draft. And what does that mean? It's a great question. It's kind of like if you're lacing up a brand new pair of sneakers.

You get those laces on the bottom. So what I do is I like to start from the right, and I go over the top of the right, and then I lace under. So I go over and I put it under. I'm not an overlacer. I'm an underlacer. So you take it from the right, I go over the top of the right and then I lace under. So I go over and I put it under. I'm not an over lacer. I'm an under lacer. So you take it from the right, lace under, and then you pull that over the left and then you go over to the right, you lace under, and then you go over the right and then you go over to the left, you lace under, then you go over the top, go over to the right, lace under, all the way to the top. And here's what i do is the last one i go over and then i tie a knot and then i tuck the excess lace under the sole because i don't like my laces

hanging out only thing i'm gonna say you're not gonna double down unless you're doing straight across but that's not a big deal it's a craftsman i mean it's a craftsman we learned a little bit more about how you lace your shoes than how a serpentine draft works but i don't think that's nobody's out anything nobody's out anything basically what it means is if you pick fourth in the first round you pick first in the last round now david with that in mind what will the order of today's draft be i gotta go first just because i think that mine i i got some stuff that could be i got one thing that i just don't want to get taken i'm'm going to throw a fit, dude. Yeah, I'm going to go David. I'm going to go Sean. I'm going to go Russ.

I'm going to go Ian. So me, yeah, me, Sean, Russ, Ian. Hot corner. Hot corner there. Two picks in a row. Hot corner. Keeping the blood pressure down in anticipation of David's first pick.

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There is a storm and we are your port. All right? You understand? Ruin. I am the storm, bro. Also, I'm not wearing hockey pads, but that's neither here nor there. David, it is time for your first pick. My first pick.

I'm taking my favorite shoe of all time. I'm taking the Michael Jordan five. Ah, selection with the first pick. I listen. Listen. I mean, from the Fresh prince era on those were like because you remember there was a long time where you couldn't get them again and those were like when they started doing retros that was the shoe i was the most excited about to come back i love

all the color i love the laneys when they brought them back i love the grapes i love all the colorways i just i love the five i love the soul or the tongue i love rocking the five without uh laces oh yeah kind of me but yeah i loved i love jordan fives i love them so much that i i we've talked about this before but the thickness around the ankle you don't like it well just because i already have you know what i mean like listen i'm not a cankle guy and i just want to go on the record i mean very clear right now i'll double back i'm a cankle guy and i still rock a five i mean i'm gonna go with that like where they are they are super puffy like it was one of those things that i i kind of forgotten about somewhere along the line and like yeah i had a pair of the supreme ones like the camo ones which i actually did like those were hard as hell i didn't end up getting rid of them i

wore them a couple times but um well what are you gonna do after a couple times you can't just be wearing them three times that's i have well i have way too many shoes at this point and like that's a whole other story but like i kind of need to get in the habit of wearing stuff a couple times and getting rid of it just so I can get to other things. Right. Because otherwise I do have a tendency to wear the same shoes forever. And I'm looking at these stacks being like, what are you doing, dude? It's same thing.

I got a pair up top. I'm looking right now. I'm looking at 20 pairs of untouched shoes. And then the ones I have upstairs, you'd think that I was like eating ramen every night. It's just weird how that works. If I go drop shoes off or if I go drop stuff off at a Goodwill, sometimes I'll throw in whatever pair I've been wearing the most just to force myself to stop wearing them and wear something else. Because I do see those 14s behind you, which I also...

Wait, shit, I'm sorry. That's all right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. David Boreanaz is on the podcast. That's good, though, because they are right there. And like, it's, yeah, that was actually up there for not to name another podcast. But when we did the Last Dance podcast, I dragged those out for that. Yeah, you can name the Last Dance podcast.

I mean, those four teams actually are a pair of like the original like promo samples that I got back in like 99 when I was at slam and never sent back or I guess maybe in 98 um they've sat in my parents attic for like 20 years now so they're completely falling apart they've they've been through a lot oh my that's amazing by the way that's after the last dance is the name of that podcast it's you and Alex Wong yeah yeah yeah everyone should go listen to that it was fun it was fun but yeah that shoe sat on my desk at slam actually and was a pen holder basically beautiful god that's awesome the five to go back to the fives for a second though yeah that they're they're beautiful i i bought some five i bought those those fives they dropped during the last dance yeah i got them too yeah yeah gorgeous but i almost like looking at them more off my feet

than the way they look on my feet i understand that but i wear shorts so much but like i like the way they look with pants i love a shoe that you can rock without laces because i got a wide foot i mean you would think i would be an adidas guy but like i just i don't know i love them they were like one of the first shoes i learned to love wearing without laces what were you gonna say uh russ oh i was just gonna say it's funny because like back then back when they first came out like late 80s early 90s i mean i know like probably people don't believe it but you actually could buy jordans on sale a lot and like i was definitely the person getting the fives when the sixes came out and the fours when the fives came out. So, you know, I had the pair of like the white,

black and red ones with the black tongue and the 23 on the side that I bought like way late for, you know, whatever the sale price was, um, back when you wore shoes until they fell apart and then bought another pair and not just bought pairs every weekend. So, you know, and like in 99, I think it was 99 when they first retroed, like I bought both colors when they came back, like, you know, definitely on the, Oh, I have money now. So I'm going to buy everything I didn't get when I was a kid for lost time, dog. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I want to say like, I think it was like four or five years later when like flight club was really first starting out and resale was first happening someone posted a pair of shoes a pair of those on nike talk that had started to fall apart and at that point i

gathered up everything i had and was just like you know what i'm getting rid of all this stuff right now it was like sneaker hot potato it's like i'm not having these fall apart on me they go bad they go bad on you so fast they turn yellow like the whole thing goes bad on you yeah and then like the sole comes off right that foam just starts like disintegrating i kind of like the yellowing if you can hit that sweet spot the yellowing almost kind of looks kind of cool on there on the uh on the mesh on the side i think also just for like i'm 33 i think that like the silhouette of that sneaker is like what a sneaker is yeah to me you know what i mean it's such a like it's like you think about that template of like the high or whatever you're like

yeah that's like that's a sneaker that's a that's a sneaker that a dude would pay a lot of money for or whatever do you this is a weird reference but do you remember the burger king kids club like those kids oh i remember that yeah everything Like the shoes he was wearing were like for sure. Jordan fives. That's what I mean. It's like so many, like, or like a cartoon character would be wearing a shoe and the

silhouette would look like the five. Like that's so much. What a sneaker is. Those were, those were just a hundred percent of a time. Like if you think of an early nineties shoe, it's that. And like,

unfortunately, like all the retro now has mixed up the entire timeline so much that like i think if you're a kid now walking into a sneaker store you have no idea what's going on it's like right you know i remember like being a kid and i'm 49 i'm ancient but uh you know i remember going into a shoe store in the 80s or whatever and it was simple i mean you couldn't get what you wanted necessarily but at least you knew like okay there's the exact thing yeah now you walk into a store and it's like wait a minute there's an entire wall of just air jordans like all different i couldn't imagine not knowing anything and walking in like you don't you just be lost i also wonder about that because it's like for so long especially with me and my like friends or whatever, the Air Jordans was like, okay, well, it came out this year and then this is the new Jordan and he's still playing in them.

And it's still like, but like now it's like, if you like Jordans and you're like 20 now, how do you even, what do you, how do you pick? I don't know. Yeah. I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean, and I'm, I'm whatever like that anyway. Like I have trouble if i have too many decisions to make no matter what oh yeah you know it's like it's like going into a diner and looking at the menu and you're just like i have no idea i don't know do i want eggs do i want a burger do i get some gravy all the time i will eat the menu yeah always an option but yeah give me fewer choices please like i feel you make it simpler for me but uh yeah yeah number five my

first first pick amazing pick sean torden we now go to you for your first pick i'm pretty safe i think in this whole draft but my first pick it's tough because i don't i want to be true to myself but there's no there's no way that any of you are going to pick my actual first pick that I would choose. So I'm going to go with a shoe that I think one of you might choose down the road that I want to make sure that I get. So I'm going to go with Nike's Stefan Janowski. Just the first shoe that he came out with. Did you really think we were going to pick the Janowski's? I think Ian has a pair.

I needed to make sure. I have a couple pairs i love the janoski but i feel like we'd have to go a bunch of rounds to hit it i figured i figured we'd have to be like 70s nba draft getting into like the 15th round and you know i was telling russ before i was like i'll probably be in the cut for a little bit of this and i think my draft's gonna be very niche, to me, are just such a, they're not amazing for skateboarding. They're good.

They're very good for skating. They don't wear out as fast as you would think they would, but they're just so simple. They're so clean and you can get almost any color way you want. And I love that. I love just a good, clean boat shoe. I don't need socks. I can wear some shorts. It's a nice, I'm in a dope good mood

i'm gonna go have a cider on the patio that kind of issue it's a cider on the patio vibe it's a shoe that looks great with a gum sole and i love a gum sole i do too and you're just like oh crap i accidentally stepped in the hot tub with my janowski's on oh well i guess i'm in the hot tub now you know it's a good vibe yeah and it is it going going back to like the the idea of scarcity and everything and russ i know you've like tweeted a lot about this and like how it's a bummer that like a cool i mean like a cool shoe comes out and then people just can't get it you know what i mean like even if it's a shoe that you just like oh i really like that just on some aesthetic reasons and not like due to the hype. Janoskis, you can gift those.

You can. And even beyond that, like I love that, you know, he broke the mold of the idea of having to have a new signature model every year. Yeah. You know, I'm pretty sure he told someone at Nike like, no, this is my shoe and we're keeping this. Like I'm sure at some point someone was like, no, we need to do a Janoski too. And it's like, well, actually, no, you don't.

Yeah. This is what I want my shoe to look like. We, we nailed it. My favorite Janoski I think was, I don't know if you guys, I mean, Sean, you probably remember, but they did a all white leather, um, Velcro pair. Oh, they just look like a straight up nurse shoe. It was, I think it was a collab with some like Hong Kong. Those aren't even that old. I want to say those are fairly new. It was like, it was at least like five years ago. Cause I was still at Complex then, but I wore those like for a whole summer.

It was just like, nah, I don't feel like wearing different shoes. I'm just going to wear these until they fall apart. Oh yeah, those are hard. I like those. They're just, I got the white ones. I can't find them, but like gray with a gum. It's just like, they're so clean.

They're just, you know, they just look so good, man. And I feel like, especially if you're going to skate them and you don't care about colors like that's the shoe that and i haven't been in one back in one since like this whole pandemic started because i'm not in person shopping for like non-essentials but you can find those at like burlington co factory for like 30 bucks yeah and if you didn't care about colors you could just keep buying them for 30 bucks and it's like that's what a skate shoe should be. Dude, seriously, when we I mean, when we were kids in my memory, you try to tell your parents, you're like, well, no, give me these mad expensive shoes. I'm just going to go. I might as well just be cutting them with a box cutter for a week straight.

And then I want another pair from you and I want your money. I don't have any money because I'm 11. You know, by the way, I need a new deck, new deck too also the cops are coming i stole a grant hilgers hide this for me those are my cigarettes we can talk about it whenever you want it's fine but yeah the janowskis are pretty easy sell to a parent i think where they're like all right those look normal they're not hundreds of dollars they're like 60 bucks 65 bucks if you get them i'd like skate warehouse or ccs or something or like your local shop so it's it's all just yeah i just like them they're clean but that's what they say to me too is like you know that i'm and i'm kind of jumping ahead in the game here but like the jordan one became a skate shoe because you could buy them at copeland

sports i think it was in california for, it was literally like two pairs for $25 because everyone overstocked them. And now it's like, wait a minute. So you're selling a Jordan skate shoe, but it sells out in like five seconds and ends up reselling for like $1,000 or $1,500 or in some cases more than that. And it's like, you're kind of missing the entire point. Yes. Death to resales. that and it's like you're kind of missing the entire point yes death to resales yep so yeah man so stephanie nowski nike how good of a skater was janoski um really good and the thing so the thing is with because he got a shoe when nike first a lot of people hate nike sb i don't i think it's fine give people money i i think it's good. Expand the sport. Expand the horizon.

People don't even like calling skateboarding a sport. Whatever. You're going to find people that hate. I think it's great. Stefan Janoski is swimming. He's living fat off of this shoe. He was super, super good. But I love that he stuck to his guns with the shoe.

They wanted to change it. And he was like, this is the shoe I want. And he offered. He's like, we're not making a different one. They wanted to make it different. He goes, then we're not doing it. And he was like, this is the shoe I want. And he offered, he's like, we're not making a different one. They wanted to make it different. He goes, then we're not doing it. And then, so they made this and it's easily the best selling skate shoe. Well, I shouldn't say that.

It's up there with the best selling skate shoe of all time. Yeah. And now he's just chilling. I mean, he still rips, but he's not like, he doesn't have to huck himself down rails like Naja does. He's just chilling, having margaritas and wearing these shoes on whatever beach he wants to take a nap on you know so these are a great summer shoe though too man that like that shit like you said looks great without a sock or with like a low profile sock the first i gotta sell the thick ankle the first uh the first la party we that i went to we went

to one of andy wood's pool parties and i had a brand new pair of white Janoskis and I was like, I'm wearing these to the pool party. Wore them the whole day, did not get them dirty, set them to the side when people were getting buck. End of the party, me and Ian are like the last ones to leave and I'm helping Andy we're helping Andy clean up and we're almost done and he drops and breaks a bottle of red wine

all over my left, all over the left white one. Well, they were both white, but I was just, and I looked down and I can't tell him that I'm pissed about it because then you know what am i then i'm being a baby i was so bummed out can i say where can i say this in those days too can i say dude i had nothing can i tell you how much i love ian carmel he dropped some wine on my tempos when we were doing the fucking remember i had the cream tempos i remember doing the live shows and i was like i was like stoked and ian spilled some wine on him and i was like bummed but not that bummed and he was like no i'm taking you to nike town tomorrow i'm buying you some new

shoes oh what a great yeah we had to i forget what you got i won't say the ones that i got yeah no we that had to be rectified immediately we were in portland oregon yeah there's no sword of the snake that's right yeah yeah my hometown russ uh it is time for your first pick and thank you and i was in kind of the same place as sean i guess where it's like well i have certain favorites but i don't think they're going to get picked early on so i'll save those for a later pick. And I do feel like we're making Nike into Kentucky here, but oh, well. They did it. They did it. I mean, I have to start off, and especially with the third pick, it makes perfect sense, but I got to go with the Air

Jordan 1. Oh, the Earth is sick. He made the earth sick portland got robbed again if i was gonna go really into that i would have picked the s dot carter but i didn't really want to go there yo that would have been a the controversial first pick that would have been a wild card we would have run out of things to talk about in about five seconds i think too this don't go well with them s dots gotta stay fresh ma gotta stay fresh, ma. Gotta stay fresh, ma. Man, one is, yeah. What are you gonna do? The one is great.

The kids have embraced it. It seems like it comes back every generation. Timeless, timeless. Everybody loves it. It's my favorite. It's my favorite. It's what I was, it was about to get picked next. You were right to pick it.

I blew the number four. We could have done a trade. I could have traded you the three pick for the four and five. I'm from Portland. We were never supposed to get Jordan. Very true. Very true. I'm going to take the Filos Clydes or whatever. If I had a dollar for every skinny black dude with a big head who loves ones,

I would be a millionaire. I mean, look, it's probably one of the most versatile shoes ever. I mean, everyone just wears it. Like, it's kind of the Jordan 1 is what everyone always said the Air Force 1 was. Like, I feel like the Air Force 1, like, I don't know, man. It's almost too much of a platform. Like, it's a tough shoe to wear every day i think the jordan one like just because it's so low profile like it just works with everything

and it doesn't matter what the trends are or anything like it's it still just goes it is timeless it is like levi 501s yeah or or like or uh wayfarers i do have my my fragments here that like oh i'm not a boy and this is like this was a fortunate like here you go if you can grab it email it to him you know that's one of those that like i'll i'll never not be uh thankful for getting pairs like they did send me those and it's like and now you look at the resale price of those i think it's like four grand right now which is geez completely absurd i mean it just doesn't even make sense you can't even think about it when you wear something like that it's like you know a cool thing about a jordan one two is and with a with a lot of shoes but not as many as you think the more it gets beat up still looks good it looks good beat up a hundred percent

they're like a good shoe that like if you do your due diligence if you got your toothbrush on you you can keep those fresh for ever that is uh jordan one's good for so and i also think it's one of those things and that's what kills me where it's like some retros come out and and the the the quality of the materials is so bad so they look fine on the shelf, but if you wear them a couple of times, they just crease like super weird or like, you know,

end up. But if, if it's good leather, like the fragments or like, obviously some of the earlier, um, regular Chicago ones, like,

yeah, they get better when you wear them in like leather is a material that like, yeah, it looks good. Beat up like that. Atta boy. Yeah. I've got these

with the white toe box brands i don't know exactly what they are but like they just like they take it they they take a lick and then just look better yeah the black is just the black toes i believe is the conventional name for those but oh black oh shit my bad what's the is this a toe box or is that the is that the toe box down there the the the toe box is like the whole front but i think they call it that just because of the black on the toe but i mean and the jordan one is a is a pretty democratic shoe i mean at this point like you might not get the exact pair you want but if you want a pair of air jordan ones you can get them for like retail at this point i don't know if maybe some of them actually end up going on sale

whether it's a mid or a low or something but i think some of them do they put they put out a good amount of them which god bless it it's it's like you said it is such a timeless shoe it is so it's just so beautiful as long as you're not hung up on a specific one you know it's like yeah like the fragments are going to be expensive the travis scott ones are going to be absurdly expensive i saw like you know when we did the the last dance when that happened like the price of all the ones he wore like skyrocketed i have a pair like the 2016 ones um the red black and white ones and like those are reselling for like two grand now which is absurd like and that's what goes back to ian what you said earlier like jordan holds the strings on that.

If they wanted to release a million pairs of red, black and white ones next year, they can. And people will buy them. Like just let people wear the things. They can flood the market. There's another shoe that's going to come. I'll probably come up later, Jordan, that where they'd like last year or a year or two years ago, they released a bunch of them. And then people got mad because they were like, oh, now like my pair went down in value. It was like your pair of shoes.

Value is a pair of shoes and it's comfortable. It looks cool and you can wear it. No. And like, yeah, because if you wear more of them and they're not reselling for three grand, like people are going to wear them instead of like saving them to resell later when they might be more expensive, like flood the market, let everyone wear them. I'm getting pissed off. I'm getting for real though.

It is a fucking bummer. But it's like Janoskis, right? I mean, that's the thing. You're not afraid to skate in a pair of Janoskis because you know you can go buy another pair tomorrow. Exactly. Yep. I'm with you, man. I'm with you.

I wish that was the nature of the whole game. I have pairs of shoes that I bought when they weren't that expensive or they got sent to me when they like weren't that expensive. And like I wore them a couple of times and then looked at the price and then like got bummed out that I had worn them when I was never going to sell them in the first place. But then I was like, oh, I wore these. But also like it's funny. It goes the other way with retros, too, where it's like I've had pairs where I've gotten them. I've put them aside like I'll wear these later when like no one else is wearing them anymore they end up getting retroed again before i can wear that pair you should talk about my man charles barkley like that i think it was apparently jordan fours or whatever i got a pair

in like 2011 i was like i'll hold these for a while and they came back out in like 2016 i'm like wait a minute i didn't wear the other pair yet yeah yeah speaking of which yeah i mean if we're ready to move on yeah let's hear it let's hear it when this when this got pitched i do this is what you were gonna take i you you do love them i'm going to take the jordan force he loves them i love i love a jordan for the one was going to be my first pick but i'm like i have to get one of these early jordans that i love i love the fours if i had to get specific the white cement which is that the pair that you were talking about getting retroed again no i think i was talking about the military blues but um oh yeah i mean the white cements have come out a bunch too i just i just love them i love the way they feel on my foot they're so comfortable some like the ones actually i have

like kind of a wider foot so there are certain shoes where i'm just like i can't really do this shoe all day but uh the four is sort of like i don't know they're big enough for me the ones expand well too i just love them i just love the way they look i love like the structure on them are they the they're like the more of the straight line ones right like is Is that making any sense? They have the shapes with straight lines on them? They're the boxy low tops with the lace things. Nice baby blue ones. I know they all have baby blue ones, but I'm trying to picture the Jordan 4s.

Yeah, there was a baby blue one. I'm not like on goat while we're. Yeah, all right. That just happened. I'm not on goat while we're. I wouldn't be doing that. That's crazy. I wouldn't.

I wouldn't. I did tell myself I was going to buy a pair of shoes during this draft oh stepping up nice yeah man those are sick i was sitting on the the uh the they just put the breads out they retroed them last year i think a shoe i actually got on the sneakers app which incredible insane a miracle in and of itself an absolute miracle it's the one hit i've gotten did you get the picture i got him i do i have the i got him like saved somewhere because it was such i like i was like i think i don't didn't believe it and i was like i mean they need i may need this in a court of law at some point but uh i just broke him out

for the first time the other day when the blazers beat the lakers in the game one of the playoffs i went into work because like all our crew guy you know la is like mostly people who aren't from la but then like the crew dudes are all from like orange county la like all that stuff so there's some like hardcore laker fans so i went in there it's like be a clippers fan bread fours portland trailblazer jacket yeah jersey just like obnoxious and I guarantee you you guys didn't get Jordan but you did get the same colors so every pair of Jordans is essentially Blazer shoes

I could wear them to any Blazer game we got so lucky Myers Leonard is like a huge Jordan fan and that's actually how we connected because I used to go to Blazer games and then he would come over because i'd wear like you know i'd every like jordan i had i had in like a black and red colorway because they're all available in that colorway and uh it like let me become friends with an nba player so thank you michael jordan there you go thank you chicago

thank you somebody uh are the fours a tinker hatfield shoe they are they are he basically did every one from like the three up to like somewhere in the 20s like yeah he did stuff like for a long time i got to i'm sure you've met that dude several times he's awesome he's so cool i got to go there's i was dating a woman who was best friends with like his daughter so i got they have a lake house on lake pondere in in like idaho and i got to go to his daughter's wedding at this like amazing house and like he's got a ton of money obviously because he designed all these jordans and was in nike like from an early age but also the creativity because the house was just like so cool there were it was like design he was like an architect he was an architect first yeah yeah yeah he was hired by nike initially as a corporate

architect and then ended up doing shoe design but i mean he did shoe design earlier too because he ran track with for bill bowerman so it's like you know that whole history of oregon thing but yeah yeah no i can only imagine what his house is like it was just so cool there's so many little like chocolate fountain jumpman logo on it somewhere it was actually the whole thing it was a jumpman logo yeah yeah from the top from the sky it looks like a jumpman logo go into the hand like the statue of liberty yeah there's a library up there um it was it was just super dope but that's not about the shoe. It was just me bragging that I had a girlfriend at one point.

No, but the Jordan 4, I mean, the Jordan 4 is crazy because you had not only like the Spike Lee ads, but you had obviously it being in Do the Right Thing. Yes. They actually did like a special super limited version. I ended up getting a pair of these too because I did like a panel with Spike. ended up getting a pair of these too because i did like a uh a panel with spike um and they gave us a pair of the white cement four with the scuff on it like from the right thing that came with a

toothbrush and it has the uh uh the the red yellow and green like lace in the front like it's on the front exact version of that yeah it's so sick need to say i haven't worn those they're just stashed away somewhere was that pre or post nigel sylvester like who invented the scuff on the shoe that might have been pre that might have been pre well the movie was certainly pre nigel sylvester so i just love that shoe i also i bought i mean like i got the travis for the the baby blue ones just because i love the color so much. But that's another one that I'm now almost afraid. I need to wear it, but I'm almost afraid to wear it because I got it when it was like, I bought them when they were like $400 because I was celebrating something and I was like,

I want to get this shoe. I want to have a Travis Scott Nike and I don't really like too many of the other ones. Understandable. I really like this colorway. I feel like with sneakers, and it's certainly's certainly obviously, you know, if you can afford to, but you kind of have to just disconnect from whatever the prices are and just wear the thing. You know, it's like, just, especially if you paid whatever for it, like forget what it's quote unquote worth now. And just like, you know, it's just going to fall apart someday. So you might as well wear them, especially if you really like them.

Yeah. That's a good point you know i've been meaning to and like part of me is like man i should sell like 30 pairs of shoes and buy a pair of those tom sacks mars yards because like yeah i just love that shoe and i would really love to wear a pair of them but you know am i gonna pay like again like four grand or whatever the hell they're selling for now like that that's just insane. It makes no sense. They're beautiful. Those are so beautiful too. It's just such a gorgeous shoe.

They're shoes I look at and it's funny. Like the, the, and Sean would definitely know these. So Reese Forbes, when he did the dunk, like they did a denim version of it. And I think they only made like 444 pairs, something like that. And when they originally dropped, like this was talking to people on Nike Talk and someone was like, hey, you know, like this shop has them. I'll pick up a pair for you if you want them. I'm like, well, yeah, actually, I do really want these.

And he's like, well, they're $250. And I'm like, you know what? No. I looked them up on StockX the other day. They are selling for $11,000. Oh, my God. StockX will hurt your, they are selling for $11,000. Oh my God. StockX will hurt your feelings. He skated him.

That's so some people, I just watched something where people got mad at him, but like, uh, cause he, he got him and he's like, well, I'm just going to skate him. And, uh, Brian Anderson, he's on Nike, same thing where they skate these shoes and you, and everyone gets pissed at him. And they're like, they're shoes, bro. Like they sent them to me in the mail. What am I? I'm going to skate them.

They're skate shoes. And then everyone gets pissed. That's what Pir shoes and then that's what i did that's what i did apparently like one of his first photos when he was on nike was wearing like the white cement supremes yeah and people were like do you know what you're doing and he's like no it's just a pair of dunks is what i'm doing yeah which is kind of the way it should be i don't know if it's ever going to go back to that i don't know if we could stuff resale back in the box let's do it right now we're doing it it would take i mean it would take the shoe companies and and they like fucking feed off the hype you know what i mean whoa those companies like making money i would have never guessed it they could still make money that's what i don't understand like

yeah for sure i would have bought a pair of okay well i'll go to my next pick here and this is a little bit more strategy because i think in the other classification i want i can get anyway i'm gonna take the sp dunk lows right now damn damn next pick ian that was again another shoe i just happen to have a pair sitting around oh my god big blow you got a pair handy too i would have to get up and walk another five feet to grab my pair uh i got another pair right there a couple pairs laying around oh okay these are boring these are just the non-lined ones i actually really like these oh oh how do those feel those are like a little roomier huh they're good yeah yeah yeah they don't have the padding around them i actually bought like these. Oh. Ooh, how do those feel? Those are like a little roomier, huh? They're good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They don't have the padding around them. I actually bought both the initial colors of them. They did a white and a black. So, yeah, there's no dog bone or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. No, I like those a lot. Ooh, that'd be nice.

Because they are another shoe as a thicker dude. I love the low because, I mean, David's going to go to the bathroom. I love the low because I mean, David's going to go to the bathroom. I love the low. He took his mic off and like mouthed it to me. Anyway, yeah, yeah. But again, another foot a shoe that looks good on like a thick dude.

I love wearing them with shorts. They're so comfortable like with the padding. They're just so comfy. We were talking about russ taking a pair of shoes and then just wearing them forever the i this is very silly the staple pigeons are obviously the gray ones are like one of the most hyped shoe of all time i just really love the bird the pigeon it's like my it's my favorite bird i've always i just admire it i love how adaptable it is that it can live in cities i think it's beautiful i think the iridescent

feather thing is like gorgeous i've always just had an affinity for pigeons it's very silly but when the blacks when they dropped the black pigeons a few years ago i bought a pair again just because i love pigeons and then wore them forever. And they're, they're still holding up. They're like, it's a really well-made shoe. I mean, they definitely go through a lot. They definitely go through a lot.

Um, they, they take a lick and I'm not skating in them. So I think that probably helps. Yes, you are. You got a board. I see it.

I've stood on it a couple of times. When those Supremes first came out, like I remember going to Supreme like multiple times to finally get a pair. They would trickle them out. They would sell like maybe a dozen pairs a day. And like, if they happen to have your size, when you ask for them, maybe you'd get a pair. And, you know, there were, there weren't lines outside the shop yet.

Um, but like, I'd kind of gotten to know people who worked at Supreme. I went to Max Fish like literally every night for probably God knows how long. Yeah. So like, you know, Alex Corporan, like Gio, like a bunch of the early Supreme guys, like I knew them. So I figured I had a decent shot and same thing. This was before resale. I remember like, right.

I went to Supreme. I bought them. I came back to Slam where I was at the time and I put them on that day. And I don't think I took them off for like five years. Like the pair I held up, like that's a second pair that I ended up buying at round two. Very lightly worn, thank God.

Cause if they were brand new, I don't know if I would have done the first wear on them. Yeah. And I paid like 450 for them, which to me is like a bargain. I could probably sell them now for like a couple grand if someone really really really wanted them right we just wanted it in their collection my first pair i mean i wore those to death i wore them to max fish every night i wore them on my fixed gear i

wore them literally playing wiffle ball in someone's muddy backyard like yes i still have them somewhere but they are destroyed yeah that's another shoe that takes a beating and like looks like good and to be that's the weird thing about like the i don't know some shoes do look like works of art you know what i'm almost where you're like oh if i get this dirty it's it's gonna look worse or like it looks so immaculate like i feel like sorry i just came back you guys talking about jelly sandals we're talking about jelly yes yes we skipped over you sorry that's what i figured i figured i figured it's good for you we went quick dude kids kids kids jelly sandals you know me you know me that's all that's all that is that's all that is but like i don't know those the even the supreme those supreme dunks like they look like

a shoe that you're the dude who you go to middle school with is like fucking playing basketball in like on the blacktop even though they aren't basketball shoes you know what i mean i don't know there's something about them where i'm like this shoe wants to be worn you know and i kind of feel like that about dunks and they're just like such a great fucking everyday shoes slip your foot in slip your foot out they're fucking they're ready to go tough feel they're definitely a tie once shoe you put them on time once and never untie them again. Yo, I love it.

I want shoes so deep in my heart, but also like my Supremes. Yeah. The same thing. Like when I, when I first bought those, I probably had like, you know,

a hundred pairs of shoes in my apartment, like, or more, I don't even know. Um, just stacked in boxes. And the Supremes were the ones that sat by the door. And it was like,

you wake up in the morning or wake up in the afternoon. And it was like, you wake up in the morning or wake up in the afternoon and it's like, you don't want to decide what pair of shoes to wear. You just put on whatever's near the door. And those were my near the door shoes. Exactly. A hundred percent. And I just feel like the dunks lend themselves

so well to that. They're fucking, they're great. And now they're like, so they're extremely hyped right now. Right? Like they sure are. I guess with that era coming back, they just put out like those grateful dead ones that you can't get which i totally would have got you can't get the old chunky donkeys dude chunky donkeys as a as a fat guy i feel like i should

have had a better shot like you should have had better odds to get the ice cream themed shoes purchase of like a hundred pints and you're good right exactly if you should take a Ben and Jerry's quiz before and be like well they discontinued the peach cobbler in 1998 or whatever but I guess it's cool man I guess it's really cool that the kids like them and stuff they're

they're just fucking dope you saw somebody skating in the in the purple lobsters right Sean at the Beaverton Park the other day. Your homeland. Somebody was skating in the Purple Lobsters. I even stopped him. I was like, that's dope, man. You're skating in these.

He's like, oh, yeah, whatever. He was probably just looking at me like, shut the fuck up, you old man. Maybe also in Portland, he could have just come up on those on some like... I think he was a kid. I think he was a kid. I think he was a little kid who didn't, who skated, who didn't give a shit, who probably didn't even hop on goat or anything. And his parents just might work for Nike or something like that. That's a collaboration with a Boston company. Portland is definitely the spot for that though. I mean,

I know, like I've heard tales of like, you know, even before they came out or right when they came out, like the Supremes, like popping up at like Buffalo Exchange, you know, like stuff that guys got to like wear test or whatever and just random stuff. I mean, look, I always go to Buffalo Exchange when I go to Portland. Like that's my area, like Buffalo and Powell's. Stay at the ace and go to both of those. So many skaters, so many sponsored skaters will just take their, with clothing more, but your shoes, sometimes they'll just take their box in and sell it because they don't need 30 shirts a month nobody does so they did you go in there and you

come up on like 10 brand new nike or creature shirts or something i might have found this at this might not have been it this might have been at like compound was that a spot i forget where but like i have like a uh a white tag sample like puss head sb shirt um and yeah you always find random stuff i should well i'm still waiting to get a pair of the shoes i really wanted a pair of the puss head dunks but those are so sick yeah meanwhile like travis scott's gonna wear a pair and they're gonna start selling for like three grand so and then you're out you won't be able to get them i know they're in his like color palette too it's gonna be it's gonna be unobtainable unobtainium dude avatar 2 look out for it in theaters at some point.

Russ, it's time for your second pick. And, you know, I did not do, like, real scouting here. I don't have a scouting department anymore, so I'm kind of flying blind and just figuring, like, you know, I can look around the room and pick stuff, or I can, I did make a little list while we were talking early on. I feel like someone needs

to break this nike run and it might as well be me so i'm gonna break it all right what one of the last things i actually wrote about sneakers was for gq and it was about wearing just the adidas campus for a while um so i'm gonna throw the campus out there i think that's on you that's a classic shoe is it my favorite Adidas shoe of all time? I don't, maybe not. Um, but it became my go-to just because like, again, like it was one of those shoes that you could wear with anything. It was almost like a Nike SB with a thin tongue, you know, like, um, and as much as I love, and it'll probably pop up at some point in here from one of us, but as much as I love the Stan Smith, i can't commit to a white shoe every day i know my man i can't i'm a white shoe kid we run into this bro the greatest trick

the devil ever played was convincing us we could wear white shoes all the time i mean fuck you jay z i said it i said it it was giving the Oscar to the king i don't mean it i don't mean it guys don't put that out people stocking hundreds of pairs of white air force ones and wearing them once and getting rid of them like that's that's a lifestyle I could never commit to damn dash you were a fool but the campus man I mean basic campuses like white or navy with white stripes like burgundy with white stripes the the quote-unquote 80s style ones with like a thin tongue like man I could definitely wear those like every day and i did for a while there was a stretch where it was just like did i get rid of every other pair of shoes no but did i commit to wearing

campuses like pretty much all the time yes because again like decision making sucks like just wear the same pair all the time yeah you don't have to think about what the rest of your outfit is doing oh you don't think about anything i, thinking about shoes was bad enough. Also, there's something to, like, an everyman type of shoe. One of those things that, like, yeah, everybody could get down on this. You have a red T-shirt. You know what I mean? Sure.

Again, real accessible. You can get any color you want. For the most part, you can't go nuts. But, like, you can get them however you want them. And that's nice. And they're, like, $ 70 bucks and i feel like it was one of those things that sent different messages to different people you know like if an average person sees you it's just like oh he's just wearing a basic pair of adidas that's cool but if someone with like who grew up in the 90s or whatever looks at you it's like oh you see like the beastie boys like check

your head kind of thing and it's like oh all right this person actually does know something so mine's on the message oh go ahead no no i was gonna say somewhere along the line i think i switched from you know oh my god what am i saying with my shoes to like nah what are people gonna think if they see that you know like not like i don't know it's it's so easy to like overthink it yeah absolutely it's just nice to it's one this is gonna be weird and this is like a weird thing to say but like you know like i like i used to be super broke and like even when i first started get like getting money i was definitely more into the hype of shoes and like and like oh i want to get this stuff that like i know that like i know people like and then i know is popular and stuff

like that and then like once i got to the point where like even on the resale market where i'm like okay i make enough money right now that i could buy if i really wanted that pair of shoes i could get them you can get the off whites if you wanted to get i could get the off whites if i want it's not gonna like ruin my month or like set me back like i'm a single guy with a good job right now and like i could get those shoes and i thought like i was worried i was like oh this is gonna like i'm gonna spend too much money on sneakers and like i definitely do but it kind of had the opposite effect it was just like oh what like divorced from the hype of it i guess i just started like buying more stuff that like i just really like and that's the best part that's the best shit where it's just like yeah because I got that. As someone who's been making money about as long as Ian Carmel,

I've been doing well for roughly the same amount of time as my man is doing well. We all know that. I'm not going to, like, blow that shit up right now. But it becomes this thing where it's like, first you get some dough and you're like man maybe i could cop some off whites like if i move some shit around and maybe don't eat a couple breakfasts yeah and then once you get some money you're like oh well no i always liked x x and x

x x and x is my next three you always like triple x with ice cube though you're weird you know that you know that you know i'm a state of the union guy don't do that to me don't be like that it's like yeah i love like a paris dunk but it's like but i could just pair by whatever the regular sb dunk is and a challenger srt so i think exactly let me do that yeah you can get other things that make me happy and i just thought and like i don't know i guess yeah it was it was nice to stop fixating on hype and like getting a pair of fucking like adidas some campus you know what i mean you're not gonna fucking break the break the bank to do that but it's like and i think like also like with you know we're fortunate in that like you know within our respective fields or whatever people know who we are so it's like you don't need to wear whatever

the most hype shoe is to show people that you're like into something. Like I think we're all even at a point where it's like by wearing something, you maybe make people look at it and say like, oh, maybe I should know about this. There was on a much larger scale. And this was cool. Like during my time at Slam, like seeing guys go through this, whether it was Iverson, whether it was Garnett, like you would see guys come into the league

and start out with that little like gold chain or whatever with diamonds. You know, just being on some like, oh, I finally got money, so I'm going to get this. And then they would get their next contract. Then they would get like the huge contract and they come out with like the ginormous,

like platinum links with the big platinum, you know, piece or whatever. And then after that, they wouldn't have a chain at all because i think they would reach that point of realization where it's like wait a minute everyone knows i'm making a hundred million dollars i don't have to wear a chain to show people what kind of money i'm making yeah you figure out that's not even what rich people do right like you would go from like one cool car to like eight cars back to one car. Cause it's like, wait a minute. Why am I, why am I still doing this? Why am I buying all this stuff? All that being said, shout out to

Bill Gates in the, in the Microsoft chain that is still driving his two 80 SE from like 1978. But no, it's like, you realize like, wait a minute. Like I don't, I don't need to like keep chasing the dragon. I don't need to buy like every pair of sneakers that comes out. People know I'm into sneakers. Like, right. It's not about like owning a specific model. Just wear what you like.

It's such a nice place to get to. If you can get there at all. It's so fucking nice. It's such a great point. Sean, time for your second pick sticking with you um i'm going adidas and this is the most comfortable shoe that i've ever worn uh and it's the bush knits it's the adidas bush knits it's a lot like the campus but it's got you are got that thin little sole and they're like wrestling shoes it's got this big fat tongue on it that i love i'm gonna i'm gonna step away and grab my one pair of Bucinichs

that I have in here actually. Get them. Yes. It's got like an extra inch on the tongue. If you want to keep it, I cut it off. But it's got even got like a scissor line. Dude, I remember when you bought those. Is that the pair of Bucinichs you bought for the live shows?

Yeah. I remember you rocking the extra tongue. I had a black pair uh or i had a white pair sorry i bought the white and black at the same time the white ones are the ones i wore all summer and they're like my every day is now so they're upstairs those are what i wear like every single day when i just go to the store or whatever and or crowded bars like you do you know my one pair of brucinets here is the one i probably i probably bugged adidas the most for this pair of shoes like no it wasn't yeezys it was the kangaroo leather yeah which is like basically like because it's a soccer shoe inspired thing i don't know yeah yeah i'm talking about that because i

have my other ones off but like no he didn't no um it's just it's a soccer inspired yeah it's basically like the their world cup boot or whatever like their biggest, like, you know, soccer boot was on a skate sole. I mean, it's different. Obviously, it's a little reinforced, I think, on the sides for like ollies and stuff. But yeah, no, the Bruce Nitz is one of my favorites. I love the big tongue, too. You got a big box of stuff to send me, Russ. That's crazy.

If you need me to kick in for shipping, I'll do it. Are you a 10? I can be. I'm 10 and a half, but i've been known to curl my toes from time to time no i've like the they did a pair that they made in germany um got a pair of those somewhere like yeah i've got a bunch of different ones kangaroo leather those are the ones i always wore like and i still wear and same thing like we were talking about before like some shoes look better beat up these look better beat up yeah well like you were saying good leather can take like it's designed to do that uh bushnitz a good a good skater sean oh dude he's ridiculous

really he's ridiculous he's one of the best he can do anything and i love it because he always sweats so much so where you're just like man that dude is going yeah dude yeah that's why sean loves my comedy yeah he's always just pouring sweat let's pause for 40 minutes so ian can go watch away days dude it's good he might so every now and again we'll be at the crib uh we used to be we'd be at the crib and we'd pass the controller around when we're watching youtube and i would put on something like away days and because it's dope because ian and david love watching skating so it always worked out good time yeah i love when you would throw on skating i still i have favorite parts and shit the uh reynolds yeah dude i love that and that uh i know he's on some fuck shit now but your boy uh oh my god how

am i blanking on his name the one with the meek mill niger yeah yeah yeah that meek mill part's so good the till death part i think also i like him cutting up i look i like owen wilson and uh yeah right yeah let's keep talking about skateboarding what i do hollywood high hollywood high what i do not not to not to memorabilia jump in with things, but I do have the girl hat that Owen Wilson wore in that video. This fucking guy is a good guy. I think Atiba sent it to me. I think Atiba Jefferson sent it to me. You do not have that hat.

I do. It's not right here. It's not in this room, but it's in my storage unit, which is a whole other separate thing. We could do a whole podcast about my storage unit. Throw it in the box, dude. I mean. This box is getting really. Yo, we save the united states postal service with this box

yo yeah i'm pretty just setting out old joints it's gonna get us back i was flying back to la one time and i was behind atiba i love and i was a little popped and normally i try to not say anything but then i remind myself like this is a skateboard celebrity so it's still you i don't think you're bugging them when you stop someone to be like i really appreciate it's not like it's you know tom cruise or something so i was like hey man uh you know you're super dope and uh i you know i just i know who you are and i'm really this is cool and i was like looking at the ground like stirring my feet around and he was so nice so cool but that yeah anyway that's my tiva well it's crazy too because we got him shooting slam stuff and because obviously costin's a big basketball fan

too so he would bring costin as his assistant and it's like there'd be photo shoots where i bet costin was making more than the nba player they were shooting and the nba player probably didn't know who eric costin was yeah but costin was just psyched because he was a big hoops fan i mean so um yeah just being around the guys it was a good like you know sb basketball crossover before that was a thing you're doing a shannon brown spread yeah i'm getting all stoked we met costin at a battle of the barracks at battle of the barracks and he was he was super nice costin's awesome he's so so low-key so chill yeah i've met him a couple times and every time dude for me it is like the equivalent of somebody running into i mean i just keep saying but like tom cruise if somebody ran into him at the grocery store or something

that's how i act when i meet like a any sk. I had to go up to Kostin for us. Yeah, I couldn't do it. And then I was all stumbled. I was like, dude, when you switch three flip the big seven at EMB and it was so cool. And what am I doing? He's so chill though. He's like the California-ist skater of all time. I feel like.

I love it. Yeah. He'll come up later. Even to where he'll get gnarly sometimes, which he'll come up later. Okay, David, time for your second and third picks. My second pick, man, come up later. Even to where he'll get gnarly sometimes, which he'll come up later. OK, David, time for your second and third picks. My second pick, man, this was like so growing up, especially just like my age or whatever, you were so Nike centric. And then there was this whole wave for a little bit that felt like everybody caught a Reebok

hype for just a minute. Yeah, it was because of this guy. And it was specifically i think of cash money records rep this shoe so hard i'm picking the rebot question low i don't even know what it is you do know what it is if you see the picture you do know what it is it was like god i wanted them and i i haven't i haven't got them until adulthood now i wanted them so bad i wanted them so bad and it's just like the colorways were so simple just like the cap on the toe and then the eyelets and shit like that but it was like it was the first reebok shoe i ever grew up really wanting

the question low was almost a dunk sb before dunk sb too because it was so padded like that's definitely a tie one shoe. I mean, you see now I love puffy shoes, right? You can do it. I mean, I remember like I played ball in like questions in the highs or whatever.

And like, I've put those back on recently and I can't imagine how I ever did that. Like my ankles are trash. Cause I used to sprain them like literally all the time, either BMX or hoops. Like it was always both. I would sprain it doing doing one thing start doing the other thing and blow them out like just back yeah dude once they get they get so easy to sprain once you've done it a few times you just can't but you can't tie that shoe tight like you pull it tight the tongue is so padded

no like the lace loop thing like the shoe is meant for chilling it's like it's one of these basketball shoes that's not really a basketball i just love that like between that and the jordan 5 you're picking like literally like the puffiest shoes of all time yeah bro i'm a puffy boy way back young boy uh yeah i just i love the. I loved when they came out, it was like, it was such a, like Alan Iverson was such a decision like to follow that guy and to be like, this is my dude. It was such a, like, even more than like Jordan was that decision before. But other than that, there wasn't a ton of dudes that you would pick where you're, you'd

be like, I'm riding with hip hop. Like I fuck with this dude i fuck with hip-hop i fuck with this aesthetic this is what it is and that's what i felt about the question lows at the time it was like like you'd watch you'd watch smart guy and like jason weaver would be wearing them or just like when in like like i said cash money cash money was like we only wear rebox and shit and like it was just like it was such just like a commitment to an aesthetic and whatever alan iverson grew to be it was just like that was the beginning of the like yeah this is my team this is what i'm on i fuck with the questions the counterculture aspect of iverson and like other dudes like that can't i mean like

i don't know now it just seems so i don't know now it's been talked about so much but at the time that shit really mattered all the fucking like stuffy dudes in sports media earnestly hated those dudes i 100 man and he had the braids and he had the in the shooting sleeve and the whole it was such a like it was such a like yo i'm with the culture not the sport or whatever yeah whatever you felt and like i mean growing up in portland around that same era like it's weak i grew up in b in beaverton i literally went to middle school like across the street from the nike campus but like that's insane it was wild it's nuts but like uh so you know it was it was it was very white and it was

like most and it was middle class although my middle was lower like lower class and middle class middle school but like the disconnect in how me and all my friends felt about the the jailblazers and how they were portrayed in like the media and everything where i'm like people hate rashid wallace why the fuck do people hate rashid wallace he's like the most fun guy in the entire league and i was like what the fuck is going on right now like that and it felt like that was the time where you had to make the there was the split becoming that was back when you would hear like announcers talking about how they didn't like the players had a lot of tattoos and shit yeah you know what i mean it It was like from when the NBA could have gone,

the NBA could have gone one way and been the NFL and they went the other way. And that was the time period. And I feel like the question load specifically is like a reflection of that. I mean, Jordan was the dude who like, obviously hip hop liked and like everyone, not that they modeled themselves after him,

but like he was the obvious hero but iverson like he was hip-hop he was a rapper you know like if you were a kid growing up in the 90s he was the first basketball player who your parents didn't understand like you liked him for the same reason you would have liked public enemy or like 100 even beyond that like to me iverson was punk rock and heavy metal he was all of that he was all of like the wait like why do you like this guy and it's like yeah i like him because you're asking me that question yeah and it's like and it's like i like that guy so now you know what i am it was like you know about me a little bit yeah

like you picked that and that was like it was like such a hard line. And everyone knew why you like Jordan. Like Jordan maybe was a little bit like you had to, you had to. And like, he was the best. And like, he was, he was harmless. He listened to Anita Baker. Like he wasn't, he wasn't, he was up on that. Thoseny lofton hits you had like the and you had the commercials but like he didn't really say anything that was spike lee you know it's like the counter side of jordan was mars like he was like his alter ego it wasn't even him and iverson was like you know to go back what karm said like you know the official nba magazine airbrushed his tattoos off when they put him on the cover you know and for us like that that's so you go back and like we did that cover with the blowout on Slam 32. We have people coming up to Tony Gervino, who is the editor in chief at the time. People were like, how'd you get him to wear the wig? And it's like, dog, do you understand? Like, he's got braids.

Like, if you take those out and pick it out, he's going to have a fro. Like, that's how hair works. how hair works but it's like so crazy too because that was like that was such a point especially in basketball where you realize that like yo there's this crazy disconnect from this league that's primarily black and black people and then like you see somebody like Iverson who's young and embracing the culture and then the league going with that you know what I mean like I said it's the difference between you could have turned to the NFL you know what I mean? Like I said, it's the difference between you could have turned to the NFL. You know what I mean? You could have turned to the NFL. You could have had Ray Lewis on his knees

doing what a... You know, I marvel at this every day. It's like, yo, the biggest commercial spokesman in the world right now is probably Shaquille O'Neal, who is a seven-foot black man covered in tattoos. That is normal. His name is Shaquille

birth name but like Iverson kicked that off like you know shout out to my twitter account but like I tweeted something yesterday and I think it's true like now it's weird when you see an NBA superstar who doesn't have tattoos like I look at James Harden I'm like wait a minute you don't have any tattoos like what's wrong with you exactly also who doesn't have tattoos. Like I look at James Harden, I'm like, wait a minute, you don't have any tattoos? Like what's wrong with you? Exactly. Also, you don't have the internet? Crazy.

That took less than 10 years. Iverson took it from being like crazy to now being normal. Like LeBron James is like, no one looks at him twice. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, and to come back to it, the question threes were such a statement of

like this is the side i'm on this is what it is and i just i love those shoes i love that i love that they let cameron do a collab i still love them i i i think they're i love them i love the question i like those ones with the they got the patent leather on the toe those were kind of sick yeah yeah i also love they'll do like oatmeal and sky blue. They'll do like weird. It's I like when they like they'll do weird colorways with it. It's kind of fun. Great pick.

Time for your third pick. My third pick is just like, hey, baby, I'm from Washington State. They gave a baseball player a shoe and people thought it was cool. I'm picking the air Griffeyey max i had this on my list i thought there was no fucking way come on that was one that i even like deep uh down there but i was like i could maybe pick that that's i did not think anything i knew would even look like would come up except for the jordan ones i'm stoked it's crazy they could do that back then like him and frank thomas had a shoe and like people were into that

stuff and now like you like i don't know if it's mike trout's fault because like no one recognized them but it's crazy to me that they haven't been able to do that for somebody no that is the crazy thing it was just that one little time where they and then like and by the way i think they could i don't i don't i don't know whose issue it is, but it was just like, it was such a testament to him, to that guy, to being like baseball. And once again, like the Iversons where it's like, this is our guy. We're riding on this dude. He wears a backwards hat.

He's hip hop. He fucks with us. And he's got these shoes that I still think are hard. I still love blue Griffey's. The blue ones oh my god man you're are those the turquoise ones no no not the turquoise ones oh the electric blue ones yeah like the straight blue and yellow like old baroners colors yes yes yes yes yes yes exactly i love them i love them uh yeah griffy max's griffy was griffy was basically splitting the

difference between iverson and Jordan. Like, Griffey was someone your parents could understand or whatever, but he was still young enough and different enough. Like, I guess he was almost like the fresh prince of baseball. Yeah, that's great. That sounds kind of corny almost, but that's kind of where he was at. Yeah, it was just another shoe that was like you were, like, aligning yourself with this thing, and it was so another shoe that was like you were like aligning yourself with this thing and it was so great in sports and he was like and being from washington state and just like it was just so cool it was so cool to have a guy like it was so cool to see like you know

dudes at the bus stop or dudes in the parking lot of my apartment complex wearing griffies bro like they were wearing griffies oh my god it was so cool it was so cool what a dope era for seattle athletes dude you had griffy and sean camp and gary payton all at the same time and you had me buying everything that they fucked with that's kind of funny too that's the difference between mlb and nba like nba freaked out over iverson's tattoos and like the jail the jailblazers smoking weed or whatever. Meanwhile, baseball got freaked out over a guy wearing his hat backwards. Yo, that was all he did! That was all he did!

Like, yo, for real? Like, that's a problem? Shout out to Bo Jackson too, though, who I think helped Nike, like, sort of get into that baseball market. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah, I don't think he would, and, like, I don't like the other Griffies, but these Griffys. The second ones weren't for me.

You're talking about the first ones, right, with the strap? Yeah, with the strap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are crazy. Those are crazy. Because, once again, I love a big, puffy shoe. Oh, dude. You sure do.

I've kept it. The rest of my list is going to be that. But, anyways, yeah, the Air Griffy Max, man. I just love those those shoes i love them now i uh i love i love the idea especially in the 90s when sports was like everybody was just they were figuring out what's it gonna be and how do we feel and there was like an nfl type direction to go and there was uh nba type direction to go and think the MLB, at least for this one shoe, leaned on that side. And I loved it.

Beautiful pick. Sean, time for your third pick. Oh, shit. It's me. Oh, that's right. All right. I'm going to pick. All right.

Damn it. Hold on. Props. He's going to pick up the shoes. So I had to get these after. So the original shoe was on Etnies. So I'm picking the Etnies SLB Salvador Lucas Barbier shoe. And it was an old,

it was like kind of, kind of inspired by Jordan's. I think he had the number 23 on it. I got them when S3 released them. And this is my favorite pair. It's the cream with the black soul. I loved them. They were like the first pair of real skate shoes I ever had that

Smith gave to me. They just have such a good early mid-90s feel. They're puffy. You can't tell because I wore them like crazy, but they're just so, so dope looking. The black sole really sold it for me. I love the black

sole on these cream shoes really sold it for me i love the black soul on these cream shoes sold it for you yeah yeah yeah i sold it i'll go get the m.a i brought it to the new house i brought you didn't leave it you didn't leave it for sylvia just put it where the fridge was be like fine all right i'm out all right there it is there my deposit. This is fucking icier than any fridge you're going to put here. SLB, Salvatore Barbieri, is that what it is? That'd be dope. Salvador Lucas Barbier. Oh, Barbier.

He was on Plan B back in the day. I think before that he might have been on H Street, but when I found out about him, he was on Plan B and Etnies. And he was like the first dude. He used to wear red Etnies all the time because that's just what they sent him. But all the skaters were like, oh, shit, I guess red shoes are cool. So they sold a ton of red shoes just because Etnies sent him like the last of their shit. And it was all the red stuff that nobody wanted. And that made it cool.

So it's just one of those things where no matter what he did, that was going to be cool. It could have been bright yellow and people would have been like all right i want the bright yellow shoe because sal's rocking them we have him to thank for you for yg to this very day his influences can't be overstated that's true i had a i had these pair dude i in redoing research for this draft i tried so hard to find this pair of shoes and i swear it was vans although it might have been at knees it might have been another one but i swear it was vans and they were just these mad puffy skate shoes from like 2001 2002 and they came in like i had like a bright red pair and then like a blue and black pair and i feel like they were suede but they were like puffy they were like nothing you see vans make now maybe they were etnies

they might have been excel they might have well they might have been an s excel which uh i don't think they were s i wouldn't remember that logo i definitely bought them at like north from the rack all right i mean yeah there's they that's like all skate shoes were back then were puffy and colorful so yeah i feel like it uh the slb though was almost like for back then it was almost minimalist you As far as skate shoes went back then, it looks puffy now, but it wasn't nearly as big as some of the stuff that came out of that era. Dude, you had the plush shoes, dude. I had a pair of SLBs in Carolina blue that I still regret not having. Carolina blue suede.

I had a pair of tan suede ones too, I think. Those might have been, I don't remember if those were retro or not some of them i had like pretty early on they only retroed them once so far and they only did like four colors they did like an slb mid which was like a little too futuristic that was like a jordan 9 based one yeah yeah yeah they had um they did do this so those they did uh the old ones the old sales they were all white with a baby blue soul and i i found them on ebay the other day for like 800 bucks no way oh it's such a i've been diving so deep on shoes when all this started that like i'll just sit up and look at shoes more than i used to and i used to do it a lot so it's yeah but yeah these s the sows man if anyone by the way if

anyone out there has any connection on a 10.5 pair of cells, any color, anything, hit me up. I'd like to know. Well, we can't solicit. I want to buy them, I said. Well, then somebody let me get these electric blue Griffys. Well, Russ is already going to send me so much shit for free that I feel like I should buy something.

You're going to hook me up with that box. I'll pay shipping, but that's it. I'm going to the market for some patio patio furniture i'll take it outside of the world dude we're gonna have barbecues oh dude pot heel furniture it's gonna be good dude russ time for your third pick yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to think i'm looking at my list and you know constantly sort of adding to it again i didn't want to do too much research because then i would have like a million shoes on it and i wouldn't be able to decide on anything you know i think though it's appropriate today given that it would have been kobe bryant's 42nd birthday

as we're recording this not as we're releasing this i i know what day it is sort of but i got to go with the zoom kobe four yep yep which, at the time, it was such a big shoe. I mean, you know, Kobe got into this whole low top thing. It kind of even ties back to like the Buzanets and they had this, what do you call it? Soccer inspiration. He basically saw that soccer players were running around, like obviously doing cuts and whatever else in low tops

and decided, why can't you do this with a basketball shoe? And, you know, Kobe's a guy, if you knew him, even if you didn't know him, you realize like he obsesses over everything. And, you know, he would call the designer in the middle of the night with ideas and just like, they basically built this low top from the ground up. And the four ended up being a little higher than some of the ones they did later. I think in part because they thought like no one's going to buy this shoe if it's not super, you know, if it's not at least a little bit higher than a regular low.

He told me, apparently he had to go convince Foot Locker executives to buy in on the shoe himself. Because they looked at it like how are we going to sell this low top and Kobe said this is how you're going to sell this low top come in and sell it and uh so you know obviously they end up being a huge shoe for them I love uh you know guys it's my favorite Kobe yeah Carpe Diem colorway was my favorite it had like sort of a uh um I don't know like a embroidered like checkerboard pattern on it on their ankle collar it was like black purple and yellow like and gray so good so good they're are these the ones that are retroing matt like they're doing i think the

five now which is like an even lighter one like and was all synthetic with like, you know, sort of iron on overlays almost. But, you know, the four was almost that the four was more in between phase of like, oh, it still has classic like leather aspects to it when it wasn't like we're going to make this shoe as light as humanly possible. And now every shoe looks the same. Yeah. Yeah, they do, though. Those are sick. I didn't you know, I'm ignorant to a lot of these i just looked those up and the ones i saw were like light blue and purple with mostly white

yeah i think that was like the hornets one because the hornets were the team that drafted them so they did it like you know obviously a million different versions of it well your boy had hella hornets gear when he was in middle school so when i see hornets colors i just get real stoked so yeah takes you right back there right back to right back to the crypts man i was in there sean was in the the regular listeners will recognize that sean was in a south dakota branch of the crypts you think we're kidding russ oh man it's a lame part of my life huh in oh strictly in the interest of moving this along uh i'm going to now take us to my oh oh my third pick time for my third and my fourth pick but yeah those zoom kobe fours are fucking amazing they're insane looking dude i even i mean god as a blazer

fan you've had to root against the best, most interesting players in the NBA. It sucks so bad. What I love about you is that you're still with the shit though. You're still like, no, yeah, I hate the best. I mean,

come on, man. Like there are teams out there who've had worse luck than the Blazers. You know, like you do have Dame Lillard. You got CJ. Hey, we're not the Knicks. You know what I mean?

I am assuming the rose garden ever opens and we can all go back to basketball games someday i would love the blazers to retire she's number i don't know who i have to talk to to make that happen but that has to do that right that's gonna happen right i'll i'll start i'll start though i'll start the movement with you today it has to happen today that has to happen. It's fuck. We retired like Jeff Twardzik and shit like that. We're not going to retire Rasheed Wallace. We have to retire Rasheed Wallace. That's a whole separate crazy conversation.

The amount of numbers retired from teams that won one title, and meanwhile, the Bulls have only retired Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan from teams that won six. Six. It's insane. There's a few more guys you might want to get to someday, Chicago. There were some helpful dudes in there. Yeah. Luke Longley. Let's get it up in the rafters let's get horace grant his road there's bj armstrong's plan i'm surprised john paxton didn't retire his own number he did enough bad things for the bulls he might as well have done something for himself he retired not

looking like a very angry high school gym teacher he got that a few years ago yeah yeah um time for my okay so i'm gonna take us out of nike too since we we it may be best if we do four rounds and then with our fifth pick we just like yeah let me just go real quick so with my third pick i had to take one i couldn't find what that man's shoe was but i wasn't that into sneakers when i was a kid to be honest which is weird again growing up in Beaverton. Also loving sports. And I love sports, but I love I have like all these starter jackets. I was in the hat.

I was really in the hats and shit like that, buddy. But I didn't really get the sneakers until I was in high school. So I have to give a shout out right now to a shoe that's like become kind of cool. But as a little fat kid with very wide feet i had i had really one option and that was the new balance 580s oh okay 580s wasn't gonna but i feel like new balance is off the board all right it's absolutely on the board no they were and this is i i'm only like 80 sure it was those because they look mad familiar. Don't feel bad. Shout out to DC.

Everybody from DC is shitting their pants that you said that right now. Shout out to Jamel Johnson. Fucking shout out to Jamel, who I gave a pair of those Griffies recently, or within the last couple of years. You're not even giving out Griffies, dude. You hit Jamel before me, man. We don't have the same size foot, dude. Okay, that's true.

Jamel's not a 13. That's some real sales shit. Oh, really? I don't we don't have the same size foot dude okay that's true jamel's not a 13 that's a reason that's some real sales shit oh really i don't think he's a 13 let's get him dude i'm gonna be texting this might be controversial for the pod i don't think jamel's a 13 all right jamel's getting some text messages after this it just i had i had him in that gray in that fucking new balance gray no colorways just like kid with a wide foot, but like a big foot. You know what I mean?

I had like tens at the age of like, I don't know, 10 probably. And I just needed like tens. I think that's a two chains line. Tens of 10. I just needed something. And like,

I was like, I like, I kind of like the way these look and they were so comfortable. They were finally like a shoe that wasn't like pinching my feet i think my feet have actually gotten more narrow and then once they got longer uh but yeah i just had to i just had to do keep if i'm telling the entire story of my relationship with sneakers throughout my life i cannot leave out a wide new balance no that's good man that's what i'm trying to hear like i want you know you don't just want to hear what happened after the come up you want to hear the whole story i love

new balances because you know i fuck with new balances absolutely you're a new balance guy heavy heavy the other ones there he is yeah there you go yeah i got multiples i just got these the other day i was so excited to show them to you guys but you won't ever see me wear them yeah those are beautiful i love them i love david's holding up a gun right now i think new balance does so many great color maybe not on the 580 specifically but i think they have like so many cool colorways oh so many in many. In general. Yeah, the 580s, I don't think have a ton of them. But like, anyway, I just had to shop those out. My fourth pick. Shout out Kawhi, by the way.

Huh? I mean, shout out Kawhi, the only basketball player who could ever endorse Newport. Oh, yeah. It was a hand in glove situation. Yo, yo. I had to take an Air Max and i have to take the air max ones okay because i was i did that didn't jump out it didn't jump out to me i wasn't like that's the one i that's the one i like more than any others and then i was going through my air maxes and then i

was going through the air maxes i still yet want to get and i was like huh i have a lot of fucking ones do you ever feel like ones i have to order ones uh half size bigger do you i it is i mean it's a snug it's a snug fit but like more snug than uncomfortable for me like do you wear 13 ones because i would like because if you have some 13 ones you got to unload i could handle that i can't really i do wear 13 ones i can't do the 12 and a half ones something about like they're maybe they're just like, so they're like small on the top of my foot. I don't know.

I got to go bigger. Oh, you've said that before. I don't, yeah. Mine's more of a width than a top of the foot kind of thing. But they're great. I do like the ones. There's a lot of great ones. As far as grails go,

like the sneaker I want the most that I don't have is the Para Air Maxils go like the the sneaker i want the most that i don't have is the para air max ones with like the with like the pink and like the pink stripes and like the gray stripes and then the little like like tiny little polka dots on them it's just such a fun whimsical shoe i want it i'll get it at some point i just haven't gotten it yet the only shoes i ever bought off of facebook marketplace oh my god wow what did you just make up i went to long beach bro you don't fall facebook marketplace good god risking it all yeah yeah yeah i got some air max ones that's well they were like yellow and gray they were cool though ill-advised friend. I'll be all right.

It's funny. The last Air Max ones I wore the most, and this wouldn't always work with shoes, but the Flyknit ones, like the ones that were, it was still the red and white. It was the color of the original ones, but in Flyknit with like that cord out sole.

So they were much lighter. That was actually a shoe that I was wearing so much. I threw them in the Goodwill bag. Cause I'm like, I got to stop wearing these. Like they're starting to get dirty. I actually wore them in, uh, I was in Australia in January, which was both like seven months and a hundred years ago. Yeah. So I wore those a bunch out there and they were starting to kind of get a little beat up. They were definitely like the wear them without socks and without tying them. And yeah, I think it was their time to go. So

someone picked up a pair of shoes for next to nothing and they don't know the backstory, but that's what they are. If you were on Long Island and you bought a pair of Air Max ones at a Savers or a Goodwill, and they have an eight written on the outside of one and a 24 written on the outside of the other. Yeah. Those were my max ones i'll speak i saw that picture on your instagram i saw those those were when i found out about kobe and i'm like shit i gotta do something which is also insane that it happened this year the whole i mean jesus i can't i forgot that that happened this lame year that's the right shoe for some fly knit too by the way like that because it's not too much exposed i feel like you gotta pick and choose your fly knit yeah i wore air

force ones in fly knit today for the first time because i've been sitting on them for so long and that one i'm not sure they're very plush but i don't know if it's something i would actually wear on a regular basis i feel like the soul is too big it just doesn't the ratio doesn't work though yeah that's just me i can barely read you know i feel that about air maxes and uh air forces in general the soul is too big anyway the air max one i just i i just fucking had a lot of them it was like i don't even know if i this is weird because it's our favorite secret i don't even know if it's my favorite air max like if you ask me what's your favorite air max i don't know if that's the one i would have said but then going through my sneakers i was like oh it's hard to argue with

that there's so many ones in there i feel like and this is coming from someone who used to have to rank things like for his job but i've always thought like having a quote-unquote best or favorite of something is bullshit like there's a there's tears there's tears there's tears for sure that's impossible i couldn't although the one might be my favorite, but you're 100% right. You fucking bastard. It is today. And that's all that matters. Yeah.

Ross, it's time for your fourth and final pick before we get to that last lightning round. Well, I'm going to have to go with one. Like, I feel bad picking another Air Jordan because I feel like, you know, that's the easy way out. But this is the one I would have picked first overall if I was worried about someone else taking it but whoa the air jordan 2 oh really is always like what i talk about as my favorite jordan that's crazy it was the okay it was the first air jordan i ever got because it

went on sale when the threes came out so i could afford to pay 70 for a pair of jordan twos i couldn't afford a hundred bucks when I was like 16 years old or whatever I was with lawn mowing money. But I've always thought like a lot of the things the Air Jordan three gets credit for started with the two. I mean, the two didn't have a swoosh. The two was made in Italy. The two had like the exotic skin on it. Like the two was something where people looked at it and be like, what is that? Like, it didn't even look like a sneaker. Like it was so far ahead of its time. And it's one of those things now.

And like, not to go off on a rant, but like retros ruin original shoes. Like it's crazy. It's like here first. I feel like the two retros, the two retros have all been so bad yeah people look at it and are like well why is the shoe special and it's like no you don't get it like it's like if people judged a book by the movie you know it's like people watch the great gatsby and it's like why why do people like that book it sucks it's like no the only retro twos i can think of have like snake skin on them right which is like but that's the way it was.

But like the shape is wrong. The originals were made in Italy. Like that made a difference. Like the toes sloped down. Like the new toes. I said twos and toes at the same time. I shouldn't try and do that. I've done.

Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. We're partying. But the toes of the retro two are all like boxy. So they end up looking like Timberlands. And it's like, no, they're supposed to be sleek like they're not supposed to look like a safety shoe you wear to like work at home depot wow damn that's the biggest surprise for me of the draft i i gotta go back and look

at some original twos though how does that how does that happen how do they how do they fuck up the retro i think like i mean part of it is i think i assume they used a factory in italy and god knows what happened to the original molds or whatever like so it probably is different and it's kind of like i feel like i'm always shocked when i see a good retro because people are going to buy it no matter what so of course you're going to cut corners like Like there's a, the Adidas rivalry came back recently and the retro is so good. I was shocked.

I'm like, damn, you actually went through the trouble to make this right. And to make it like it was in the eighties, you know, cause like most of the people buying that shoe aren't people who own the originals. So it doesn't even matter. Right. They don't know. They have nothing to compare it to.

You're going to sell out anyway. Like to me, the best two retros have probably been the just don ones with like the quilted side panel i was gonna ask about that yeah and those have nothing to do with the original like they're nothing like it because they're they're one color and like you know obviously sort of aimed at a different audience but at the same time like they're the most accurate because yeah it's supposed to be sports luxury like that was the whole point and the made in italy original ones that's amazing i did not think the jordan 2 is gonna get picked that's fucking good i mean sean time for your final pick uh well you know pretty pretty right down main street here the s costin one best skate shoe of all time there's a color

way with navy toe navy heel all white with yellow and navy accents it's the only the only shoe that i wish i would have saved out of all the skate shoes i've had my whole life i wish i had a pair sitting here untouched i don't care if they're falling apart or whatever uh my absolute favorite it's about the only shoe that really takes me back to a place where i look at it and i feel different i feel like i used to when I very first started skating and I just, yeah, that's, I could,

you know, honestly, if we stayed, if we kept going, I could probably make myself cry talking about it. It's the most important skate shoe there is to me. How many do you think you went through back in the day? Pairs of Costins.

I probably went through 30. That one, I only had one pair of, cause even back then everybody knew immediately like this is the dope. So people scoop them up shoes are so people go so hard on them too like i think about like football cleats i i had a couple years where i wore two two one one cleat for two different years but like everybody i ever knew who with skateboard shoes i remember especially being in elizabeth when we were in high school kids would come in with like duct tape on our skateboard their skateboard shoes you'd be like yo these dudes are going for it my buddy nick had a sock a duct tape sock he would

wear because the shoes were too fucked even duct tape so he put his skate sock on scumbag yeah man s cost in once there's no um they're the best david time for your final pick my final pick i'm gonna go to the land of phila particularly a tennis brand i'm gonna hit you with the grant hill threes yeah all right i love it's such a like it's such a like when you look at that shoe you look at that time like it would have never worked at any other time with like the and then and then like the the squiggle going up over the air pockets and stuff like that it was just such a timely thing and it was a shoe i didn't have them i've never had a pair and i wanted them so bad and it was like feel i had a

short time of relevance for a basketball shoe. Yeah. Right. And then another short little hype cycle, like in the last couple of years too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's never been hot, but like, but like a guy at kinfolk who, uh, who, uh, did a collaboration. Yeah.

Water poppy. Shut up. Uh, but yeah, man, uh, the grant held threes, man.

It was just like, there was that weird time in the mid 90s where phila was hot and like i just was like really aware of it and i thought phila was so cool did you ever think it was phil's no i never thought that i used to think it was phil because it had the s that looked like a cursive s the a does and we thought it was phil's yeah no i mean some people were cool when they were kids some people weren't it's like you david huh it's crazy i remember trying to tell people who were because when phila would come back or whatever it's like they were pricing their retros too low and that was the thing it's like i guess they kind of figured like if you price it low you're gonna sell more but the thing is then you had to skimp on materials and it's like yo like phila

back in the 80s and 90s like ph it was supposed to be like a high end brand. Like if you price it low, then it's just like back wall garbage. Like no one's going to care about this stuff. Like, yeah, I don't know. Like, I feel like they could have sold more if they made it more expensive, but no one seemed to understand that. Also true to my roots, a puffy ass shoe. You like a puffy shoe?

That shoe is puffy as fuck. From what I gathered out of this, you're a sneaky G who loves a puffy ass shoe you like a puffy that shoe that shoe is puffy as fuck i gathered out of this you're a sneaky g who loves a puffy shoe i like a big chunky sneak he's a sneaky g and a puffy sneak dude that's also my autobiography the big chunky sneak the david borre story big chunky sneak oh tay biggs the big chunky sneak oh girl and i want and i wanted to hit multiple uh brands but yeah like i really like uh it was such a weird time that was when the pistons were transitioning their logo to like that weird teal like rook yeah that was unfortunate it was crazy it was like what were you even thinking it's also insane now and same thing you know the fact that everything you know the things that happened 30 years ago don't feel like 30 years ago but like that logo now people are like nostalgic

for that and like i still think of it as the new terrible pistons logo and it's like wait it was the worst that shit came out and you were like what so i am a sports fan who has been disappointed by colorways a few times thank you denver nuggets oh god bro dude we went from having one of the never pick baby. You never bet on baby blue. That's shiny baby blue. Shiny baby? What the fuck are you talking about? Baby blue is fine. Calm down. Is this a baby bash video?

Baby blue is a good one. And shiny baby blue? I don't know why everyone decided they had to be teal all of a sudden. It was like the Florida Marlins and the Colorado Rockies being purple. It's like you guys and the Pistons were like, yo, you're red, white, and blue. And you're coming off of two championships. And you change your logo and your uniforms.

I don't even get it. Also, teal is for five dudes. Me, Bernie Mac, and three dead dudes. It's a dark skinned game. Teal? The fuck do you think is going to happen? 100% right. Anyways. Anyways. Theal? The fuck do you think is going to happen? It's 100% right. Anyways.

Anyways, the Grand Hills. Grand Hill 3, specifically. You do look good in teal, though. Yeah, you do. I do. I do. I do. And I think for it.

Now, quick lightning round. Everybody throw out one last shoe and one thing about it. David. Air Flight 89. It's the only shoe I've bought, like, four times. The black ones with the little bit of cement, only shoe I've bought that many times. Oh, yeah. Sean, one last shoe.

S-Excel OG Tom Petty skate shoe unofficially. Shout out to Tom Petty. Tom Petty, you said? Tom Petty skate shoe? Old skate shoe. Or old skater Tom Petty. Tom Petty and the heartbreakers, dude. Tom Petty and the deck breakers.

Russ, one last shoe. Going with a Nike Air Foamposite 1. Oh! Penny Hardaway grabbed it out of the bag. That was literally the last shoe because it dropped before the internet really got popping. I remember, yo, Nike sent me that shoe, no lie, six months early.

The girl, the PR girl at Nike tried to explain it to me over the phone. That was one of the last shoes I remember, like opening the box, having zero idea what the thing would look like and being completely blown away by it. And then having it that early, I got to wear it to like sneaker stores in New York,

six months before it came out. And like, yo, people just had no idea what was going on. It was, it looked like nothing that came before it. That was a crazy shit. Trying to explain that shoe to someone who'd never seen it before you can't do it you cannot do it it's like most

easily cantina alien foot it's like yeah it's like a seashell but if it was made out of the terminator and like yeah good luck it just made no sense guys look out for my mixtape mosaic most cantina alien foot i don't know what you said that's like cantina alien foot yeah and it's crazy because like the foam puzzle one is not a shoe i would wear now and it was barely a shoe i'd wear that because it was like so stiff and like didn't breathe obviously but like back then it was just like yeah it's the terminator 2 but you can wear it beautiful fuck yeah my final shoe the lebron 2 in the red black and white colorway again the most maybe the most comfortable shoe i've ever worn still my favorite lebron actually it's my favorite lebron 2 i copped a pair at the

employee store i remember oh it's in blazer colors throwing it on and just being like what the fuck was that when they still had zoom in the title i can't i don't know i don't know i think it was still like the zoom lebron too or whatever it was yeah yeah yeah do it just like just like put your foot in the hot tub it was so comfortable do you feel like and i don't want to i know we're going long i just want to say do you think lebron was the first dude to ever make sneakers that a fat dude would be with yeah i mean i still wear i'll still wear like like like where they were like those were shoes To ever make sneakers that a fat dude would be with. Yeah. I mean, I still wear, I'll still wear like the. Like where they were like, those were shoes for hoop.

Cause he's 280. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. As a big dude, like any, any of the soldiers, any of the whatever, as a big dude, you're like, yeah, I could, I could move about town. I could handle my business in these. I still wear LeBrons at the gym and shit like that. Like the LeBron 15s.

Do you think there's ever been a better basketball shoe for a fat guy? Nah, dude. Kevin Duckworth never gave us one. So I think that's it. I'm still waiting on those Oster tags. I'm waiting. So to recap, David, you went first. You took the Jordan 5, the reebok question low the air

griffey max the feel of great hill threes and the air flight 89s i found it to chunky shoes and chunky dudes amen sean you took the stefan uh stefan steph no i mean you said it you said it right stefan stefan stefan genoski's the bush knits the etniesits, the Etnies SLBs, the S-Costin 1s, and the S-XL OGs. Russ, you went third. You took the Jordan 1s, the Adidas Campus, the Zoom Kobe 4s, the Air Jordan 2s, and the Air Penny Foamposite 1s. Coming out looking like nothing we've ever seen before. I went last. I took the Jordan 4s, the SB Dunk Low, the New Balance 580.

Shout out to eight-year-old me. The Air Max 1s and then the LeBron 2s. I mean, we left so many-old me the air max ones and then the lebron twos i mean we left so many amazing everything's on the board you left the air force one on the table i kind of love that we left the air force one the haraches dude the air force ones i had the 11s i had the fucking uh the eights i had had the D Brown pumps. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's so much stuff. I threw an audible with the foam positives. Like, those weren't even on my list.

Like, I was going to throw out the Air Trainer one. You know, same thing. I thought about, like, the KB8, like, the first Adidas Kobe shoe or the Equipment Elevation. Yes. Yes. We could go, like, a thousand rounds. We could go forever. I'm not going to lie.

The Kobe Toasters. I had a pair of the yeezy 350s that were so comfortable it was uh not my first dalliance with with ultra boost but i do enjoy a dalliance with ultra boost as a thicker as a thicker cut of beef walking around listen you're the man who got me back into adidas i put that all on you that's me that's i remember we went to full we went to locker and you were like man i think you should fuck with a boost and and that's why i love you man i'll do anything i can to help a german company you know me uh we want to hear yours hit us up at all fantasy pod on twitter all fantasy podcast at gmail.com shout out to everyone on the afe subreddit shout out to everyone on the AFE subreddit. Shout out to everyone on the AFE Patreon for holding us down.

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