All Fantasy Everything - The 90s (w/ Erin Mallory Long and Kerri Doherty)

Episode Date: November 10, 2016

In the ninth episode we draft the 90s! Tubular! Gnarly! The Lillehammer Winter Olympics! To take on this tall task, host Ian Karmel is joined by writer/comedian/gigantic fans of the 90s Erin Mallory Long and Kerri Doherty. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. Welcome back to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything. I am your host, Ian Carmel. And today, my friends, we are joined by Erin Mallory Long and Carrie Doherty. And together, we are going to be fantasy drafting the 1990s. Nothing specific about the 1990s. Just the 1990s in general. And not like I draft 1997. Not like that.

We're going to be drafting things from the 1990s. So that's what we're doing today. I can't wait for it. I think it's going to be so much fun. We have the two perfect guests for it. Erin Mallory Long. You're a writer. You're a producer.

I would call you, I would call you a Bon Vivant. I would call you a fashion icon. Wow. Thank you. I would, I would call you, I would call you,

uh, in, in Instagram 90s stylistic inspiration for, for people all around the globe. Yeah. I'm going to bless you with all those titles. Uh, also you have the, uh,

best of friends podcast where you talk about the television program Friends. I do. I do. And I'm wearing, appropriately, a Friends t-shirt right now. You are. You're fully branded. Yeah. Also, you have a series of videos on YouTube.

Just look up Aaron Mallory Long on YouTube. They're great. You take just a random topic and you do a really funny video, like a fun three-minute video. Yeah. It's under this umbrella of how-to, funny video, like a fun three-minute video. Yeah. It's under this umbrella of how to, so it's like- Yes, that's right. Yeah. How to be a Virgo, how to be a girl.

And I do a very bubbly, positive character, which I do not actually exist as. Right. It is a very stylized character. What was that? How to Graduation one was a fun one? Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Enjoy that. They're all timely. They're seasonal. They're seasonal. Make sure you check those out. Joining Aaron Mallory and myself, we have Keri Doherty. You're a television writer. You wrote for the Goldbergs.

You have a new thing coming out called Hollywood Darlings. Yes. Talk to us about this because it sounded so interesting when you briefly talked about it. It is. Thank you for having us both, by the way, Ian. Oh, please. What a pleasure it is and a privilege. Yeah, I just finished writing on a show, Hollywood Darlings, that's going to be airing on Pop, I believe, in March or April.

Yeah. And it's sort of like an improv comedy show like Curb, starring three lovely women from 90s television shows whom we love. How perfect. It is Jodie Sweetin, who played Stephanie on Full House, Beverly Mitchell, who played Lucy on Seventh Heaven, and Christine Lakin, who played Al the tomboy on Step by Step. Yes. Love Al.

So literally a dream job. That's amazing. It couldn't have been more in the pocket for you. It couldn't. And in the first episode Literally in the cold open Because the showrunner was like All the writers are also performers

And she's like if you want to be in it let us know Oh that's great I literally put myself in the first scene of the first episode So it'll be amazing You can't even sample it without getting a taste of Carrie Doran Yeah yeah So I will be in the first scene of the first episode Just just playing like a super fan who nerds out on the girls. And I'm like, this is acting.

Uh-huh. Wink, wink. But like. How do you writers come up with this stuff? Yeah, really. I was just like, yeah, I don't need to do any research to make really specific references about an episode of Seventh Heaven. Oh, that's amazing. It was awesome.

You also have a podcast yourself where you talk about the television program Golden Girls. Yes. I love how you call it a television program. Yes. It's going to class up our industry as much as it can. Yeah. And yeah, I do. It's called Out on the Lanai.

Yeah. And every week, me and my friend H. Allen Scott, who's also a comedian, we – I love when someone does that with their name. It's amazing. When they just initial the first one. That's really great. He's got a great story behind it. You should go to the podcast and find out why.

Is his name Hitler? No. It's actually- Hitler Alan Scott. Hitler Alan Scott. It's actually Honinger. Oh, yeah. And people would pronounce it in a way that-

Oh, no. Say no more. I didn't have to say it. Yeah, no. Say no more. Yeah, so- Yikes. Yeah. So, yeah, that no more. Yeah, so. Yikes. Yeah.

So, yeah, that's why he goes by H. Allen Scott. But every week we watch an episode of The Golden Girls and then we talk about it and we go chronologically. And we also do live shows and we have done interviews with former writers on the show and also cast members. There's some amazing writers who came out of that, right? Yeah, Joss Whedon, Mitchell Hurwitz, Mark Cherry. It's crazy. That is crazy. Well, you watch it, it makes complete sense.

It does. It's such a good program. And it holds up. It really does. Well, what more could you ask for? That's fantastic. Make sure you check that out. If you want to follow them on social media, Aaron is at Aaron Mallory Long, or just Aaron

Mallory Long on Instagram and stuff like that. Carrie is at SquidEatSquid on Twitter and at Squidzy on Instagram. Or just Squidzy on Instagram. Spell exactly

what you think with an S. Bad at branding, guys. I feel like you've got the Squid Rider corner kind of locked up. Yeah, I think I do. Yeah. I think I do.

That's a good point. You might be the best at branding. Mine is just my name. Yeah, right? That's not original. Oh, you got the just my name. Yeah, right? That's not original. Oh, you got the whole EML. Yeah, you kind of, mine's also just my name. Yeah.

Just Ian Karma. Except for on Snapchat, because I didn't think it was going to become a big thing. And I just used my Xbox gamer tag, which is Jorge Gorgeous. Wow. Yeah. I love that. I would love to have that on the back of a satin jacket. Yeah, for sure.

But anyway, so we're about to get to the draft. The way we determine the order is through a game of rock, paper, scissors played between Aaron and Carrie to determine who will pick the order. It is a rock, paper, scissors, and then shoot. Okay. And it's one out of one. Okay. None of this best out of three shit.

No second chances on all fantasy everything. I don't want any second chances. None of that. All right. So whenever you're ready. Okay. And I will narrate in a compelling way. Okay.

Ready? Yeah. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ooh. Aaron wins with a scissors over paper. It was tense in here it was tense but people seem happy with it

so Aaron you have to pick the order against the serpentine draft okay so I just pick who who goes first, second, and third or you can just pick first and second and through deduction I'll just pick second and third you pick all of them

nobody's ever done it before and then that'll be you pick all of them yeah I go first nobody's ever done it before and then it's just you talking about your favorite things from the 90s yeah right I think I want

I want Carrie to go first okay and then you'll go second and I'll go third fantastic that's what I want that's what's gonna happen that's what you really really want

yeah that's what I want without further also I just want to say right now that you mentioned you were wearing a Friends t-shirt. Yeah. Carrie is wearing a Pete and Pete t-shirt. You couldn't be dressed more appropriately for the occasion. Yeah.

It's just our whole lives. I'm just wearing a black t-shirt. It's awful. It's okay. I'm sure there is a character in a 90s film or television show that wore all black. There must have been, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I am dressed as one of the characters from the Bone Thugs-N-Harmony video. Oh, there you go. Yeah. That is exactly right. Yeah, and when I say the one, you know, the knock thug is right. Crossroads.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm one of them. I'm Eazy-E's weird holographic ghost. There you go. Okay, so without further ado, it's time to get to the 90s edition of All Fantasy Everything. Carrie, you have the first pick.

So does this just mean I just get to read one of them off of my list? You pick. You pick whichever one you want to go first. Whichever one you think might not be there. Whatever the most coveted thing from the 90s for you is. Oh, the most coveted thing from the 90s. Let's see. Oh, the most coveted thing from the 90s.

Let's see. I'm going to go with Lisa Left Eye's rap from the TLC hit Waterfalls. That's such a good pick. That is good. That is such a... R.I.P., by the way. Yeah. R.I.P. Left Eye. Seriously, yeah.

Oh, I'm just writing that down. Yeah, that's a fantastic pick. It comes at you in the middle of that song. It's been such a smooth, cautionary tale up until that point. Yeah, it's amazing. And sometimes in radio versions, they don't play it. Right. And that is, it's a catastrophe.

And they wonder why radio's dying. Yes. You know what I mean? Play the fucking rap. Take out one chorus. They sing the course of the song so many times totally just maybe leave it out once just to get just to get that rap in there because yeah the rest is like a slow smooth burn of a song and it's in her rap is gives a

little pep no you need it you need it that video oh my god is like incredible it's incredible yeah because it's like it's like kind of a 90s like hip hop R&B video, but then intercut with these like cautionary tales. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And if you guys saw the, I believe it was on VH1, not Lifetime, but I think they did the TLC biopic.

Oh, yeah. They recreated, I mean, it was cast so well, but they recreated those music videos. They did Waterfalls. They did Creep. No Scrubs. And they looked amazing. Oh, that satin. Yeah, Creep is... Yeah. That's the kind of

sexual I will never get to. Yeah. I don't know that anybody will. Creep music video? No. No. There's no way, right? To get to that level, just sat in pajamas. With wind blowing at you. Right? Yeah. When I wear satin pajamas, I look like Christmas morning. Kind of gross. Like drunk off Bailey's at like 11. You know what I mean? Christmas morning like just like kind of like just like kind of gross like

drunk off Bailey's at like 11 it's like that kind of vibe not at all like oh this guy's gonna come fuck like it's not nothing like that all super lame all of TLC is like too sexual for me like oh yeah like when I was a kid and that CD came out like I didn't want to ask my parents for it for Christmas

because I didn't want to have to say that the title was crazy sexy cool oh I had no problem parents for it for Christmas because I didn't want to have to say that the title was crazy, sexy, cool. Oh, I had no problem asking for it. Like, I did not want to tell. No, I got it. I didn't want to say the word sexy to my parents. I was so weird about that kind of stuff in the 90s as well. Like, when Alanis Morissette's first CD came out, and I'd be in the car with my dad listening to it.

And when she was like, go down on you in the theater. I was like, what could that mean? I don't know. Not me. I'm 12. Yeah. I think the problem with that song is, yeah, because I was in seventh grade when that came out, seventh or eighth grade.

And I remember when the song, we would sing along to it at school dances, awkwardly throwing our bony tween bodies around to it not knowing i had no idea what that meant right so i was singing it yeah well i know oh no i didn't know like go down on you in a theater it's one of those things like i'm 12 i'm just singing along i don't know what it means and they they played it at school dances totally yeah well that's how i felt about either the song the tlc song Special. Oh, that one was sexy. I know this is sexy, but I don't really get what's going on. And I remember, similarly, being in the car with my dad.

It came on, and I literally was like, I'm going to change the channel and just switch the station. Because I was like, I'm like 11. I don't want to deal with this right now. And if I'm going to, it'll be alone in my room later. Definitely not in the car with you, Dad. Yeah. Oh, my. They sang kind of vocal fry singing, but with them, it just sounded like they were always

singing in the middle of an orgasm. Yeah. It was that kind of, ah. Well, T-Boz, I mean, her voice was deep. Yeah. It was like, yeah, Velvet, it was, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about T-Boz's voice right now. T-Boz is the Bea Arthur. You know, if they ever bring Golden Girls back,

I hope they cast T-Boz as Dorothy's Warnack because she's got the voice for it. Totally, totally. Oh, my God. You just took Left Eye's rap, but I'm going to give you the entirety of Chasing Waterfalls. That's okay. I think we just wrapped that into – that is – T-Ball's – or Left Eye's Wrap is definitely the figurehead on the front of your ship.

So you've got to have the rest of that ship too. Oh, yeah. Did you know anyone who thought it was Jason Waterfalls? No. Don't go Jason Waterfalls. No. Did you? No.

No. No. Come on. What a name, I guess. I don't know. I've heard of people confusing those. I've heard of people and people who thought it was Don't Go Jason Waterfalls. Wow.

And they would just sing along to it thinking those were the lyrics. I have never heard that. Because not that Jason Waterfalls makes much more sense. No, it doesn't. But also, if you're a parent, if your last name is Waterfalls, that's a cool last name, right? Totally. You have a baby and you name it Jason? Yeah.

Maybe you're mad at your hippie parents who changed it from Cats to Waterfalls, and that's why you named your kid Jason? Maybe, yeah. It could be something like that. God. Waterfalls would be a dope last name. Waterfalls is a really good name. I think one of the coolest celebrity weird kid names that I love, I believe it's Penn Gillette, who his daughter's name is Moxie Crimefighter. It is Moxie Crimefighter.

That's so dope. Yeah. And she doesn't... That's amazing. And Crimefighter, the less sort of common name, that's the middle name. Yeah, Crimefighter. So Moxie, that's an amazing name. Moxie Gillette.

That's a good name. I feel like you stick Crimefighter there in the middle when you want your kid to definitely go by Moxie. He's like, I'm so sold on Moxie that I Moxie is a good name I feel like you stick Crime Fighter there in the middle when you want your kid to definitely go by Moxie he's like I'm so sold on Moxie that I'm going to give him a middle name that they could never possibly go by

right right right like you can't co-opt your middle name anymore they couldn't Hitler Allen it you know what I mean yeah no you can't do that

Crime Fighter that does remind like when people whose last name just used to be the thing that they did yeah yes

yeah like Cobbbbler butler yeah that would be like it's so i'm so glad they don't do that anymore it'd be so upsetting now i would be ian sometimes writes for tv shows and does a little bit of stand-up yeah freelancer uh what it wasn't amazing for, one fun fact about Waterfalls. It was produced... Wait, Jason Waterfalls or the song Waterfalls?

One fun fact about my friend Jason Waterfalls, allergic to peanuts. Now, the song Chasing Waterfalls, produced by Organized Noise, which is the production house that also did all of the Dungeon Family and Outkast early stuff. Oh, wow.

So there are these guys in Atlanta who did this crazy Southern hip-hop and sort of started Southern hip-hop. Wow. And then also, they came up with a beat for Chasing Waterfalls. Wow. Isn't that amazing? That's really cool. Organized noise.

They're super dope. I was just telling Eric, the producer, there's a documentary, The Art of Organized Noise, on Netflix. Oh, wow. Well worth the watch. Okay. And they got every big boy and Andre are in it, and then all the Dungeon family. It's super fun.

It's a very interesting story. All right. They did some other big R&B hits that I can't remember right now, but you would also be like, what? Those motherfuckers did that too? Yeah. All out of Atlanta? A lot of the Southern stuff, yeah.

Yeah, cool. But then also bridged out to, oh yeah, because of the TLC connection, but other stuff, too. Excellent first pick. All right. Lisa Left Eye Lopez's rap in Chasing Waterfalls. Yes. Amazing. Beautifully specific.

They don't all have to be that specific, but that one is so beautifully specific. No, I love it. Amazing first pick. So we are on now. I'm going second, right? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

With the second pick, it's especially prescient now. I'm going to take the O.J. Simpson trial. Ooh. From the 90s. Okay. It's a gruesome reason, and I take no joy in the thing that spurred it, but it has given us so many gifts. Gifts and gifts.

It was just massive. I remember it being, I was 94, I was 10 years old. It was the first thing that I truly felt like, maybe other than the 92 Olympics, was the first thing that I felt like the country was all experiencing together. Your friends at school were talking about it. Your teachers were heavily invested.

We watched the verdict. We did too. We watched the verdict in school. At school. Can you imagine doing that now? it. Your teachers were heavily invested. We watched The Verdict. We did, too. We watched The Verdict in school. At school. Can you imagine doing that now? I think the teachers were just like, well, in the internet's not a thing. I'm going to, you know. They're like, we need to find out.

Yeah. I don't remember watching The Verdict in school, but I remember that the chase happened while I was watching like TJF or something. And I like, it got interrupted and then I was like bored. And so I like went downstairs and I was like, parents were like what are you doing why aren't you watching tv and i was like i don't know there's a car chase on tv and they got so mad at me that i didn't like immediately alert them because then they like switched off whatever movie they were watching and started watching the news and they were like oh my god this is crazy and i was like what's

happening well it's also interesting that they were upset with you as if, you know, as a child. Because I don't really, I don't recall being aware of the trial while it was going on. I remember watching the verdict in school because again,

I was 12 so I feel like I, you know, I probably didn't fully grasp what was going on but it's interesting that your parents were like, wait,

you didn't say it was OJ as if you'd been following the trial as a child. I think I do like remember it like a little more exaggerated than it probably was. I'm sure my mom would be listening and be like, come on. We weren't mad. But it was definitely like, oh my god, this is big news. You didn't tell us.

And I was like, I don't have any idea what's going on. It all happened so quick. That was only five days after the murder itself took place. That was June 17, 94. Right, because I definitely wasn't aware that the murder happened. The first thing I was aware of was the chase. Me too. And then I kind of was like, what's going on now?

And I had no, I love The Simpsons. And so The Simpsons made references to it. Now what is The Simpsons? No, I'm just joking. Like they made references to like, to the, to like OJ Simpson stuff. Yeah. And then I would be like, like oh i kind of get that but is that interesting how you you learn about one thing from something completely different in

like pop culture or something it's very interesting that you learned about oj simpson through the simpsons i learned most things through the simpsons i kind of feel the same way most of my pop culture like knowledge especially stuff like going back where like you know you learned it like from the simpsons like uh yeah like uh what like there'd be citizen kane references and then by the time you see citizen kane you're like oh like from the simpsons absolutely i've done that with so many things like oh that's a joke on the simpsons i get it now i learned about citizen kane from kids in the hall uh they oh that i would i often wonder i mean somebody should draft the simpsons but uh of course of course but they like i just wonder what like comedy would be like now without it but uh

going back to the oj trial it was it was amazing it was amazing it gave us so many amazing character i was a fan i followed the trial maybe because my dad was a lawyer yeah or something like that but i was i had a set of pogs again something that might come up later I still have them OJ Simpson trial pogs that have like oh my god

there was like Al Cowlings on there there was like a Marsha Clark one the slammer was the Bronco Chase oh this gold

my god Bronco Chase slammer I have them in a box I think over at Sue Carmel's house my wonderful mother who keeps getting referenced yeah but the trial the trial was like amazing it sort of grasped I think over at Sue Carmel's house, my wonderful mother, who keeps getting referenced.

Yeah, but the trial was amazing. It sort of grasped the whole country. I remember the crazy Time Magazine cover where they made them look darker and what a fucking dirty pool that was. Ugh, just disgusting. Time Magazine, of all people. Yeah. Did you guys watch the 30 for 30? I just finished it recently. Oh, that's right.

You were just watching it. I just watched it. It was good. You should have picked first. It was really great. Yeah. No, I just watched. But that was really what, it was such a big cultural moment that I had no idea the details

of what was going on. They were insane. Because we're too little. We're just little kids. And I really, I had no idea what was happening. So watching that was really crazy and eye-opening. Because we're too little. Like, we're just little kids. And, like, I really, I had no idea what was happening. So watching that was really, like, really crazy. That was such a well-done documentary.

It was so good. I've gotten, like, ever since I was in high school, I've been, like, a big true crime junkie. I even, in 11th grade, wrote a paper on why I thought maybe JonBenet Ramsey's parents killed her. Like, I was, yeah. And I also wrote a term paper in high school about why I thought Kurt Cobain was murdered. But anyway, I listen to a lot of true crime podcasts and there's this one that is called Real Crime Profile. It's hosted by like former FBI profilers. And it was very interesting. They were saying that like their theory was that O.J. had helped that somebody actually was like holding people back.

Like maybe he was holding someone else was maybe holding that somebody actually was like holding people back. Like maybe he was holding – or someone else was maybe holding them while he was – OJ was doing the stabbing. But bottom line is if – and again, it will never happen because at this point, I think like a lot of the physical evidence maybe has been contaminated or whatever or too much time has passed. But they were saying that like one of the theories was that maybe OJ's son helped him. I've heard that. So if anybody could ever get enough evidence to prove that OJ's son was maybe the one that was actually physically doing the stabbing and OJ was the one holding people, that if his son were arrested, OJ could be arrested again for accessory to murder, which is a different charge. And you can't, it's

not, it doesn't invoke double jeopardy. So that, yeah, if they were, and again, it's never going to happen. And OJ's in prison now anyway, but, and I know they won the civil suit, but if ever anybody else was actually arrested for the murder, he could be arrested for accessory. Yeah, because his son wrote like these crazy

letters and had like, like journal entries where like, I'm talking about like violent thoughts and how we wanted to kill people and stuff like this oh my god that's nuts it's so crazy and it's the one person oj could have never pinned it on because it's his own son his son from a previous marriage right right right yeah of course yeah of course oh my god oof that's crazy yeah yeah because nicole's poor kids were just sitting in the house you know sleep upstairs asleep can you people.J. Simpson, another amazing show. It was so good. And so 90s.

So 90s. Just with David Schwimmer being in it. I know. It's so 90s. Schwimmer and Travolta. It's just great. Did you not like it? No, I did.

I loved it. It was campy. It was a little campy at times. Totally. That was the thing. What's his face? It was... Ryan Murphy. Yes, it. It was campy. It was a little campy at times. Totally. That was the thing. What's his face? It was... Ryan Murphy. Yes, it was Ryan Murphy.

But you would get these amazing performances out of Sarah Paulson and Courtney B. Vance. Oh, yeah. You get all these amazing performances out of these actors, and I'm feeling very emotional watching this. It feels very dramatic. And then you get to this sort of that Ryan Murphy campy you know suddenly we go into Kim Kardashian's bedroom and there's posters of Jonathan Taylor Thomas up on the wall and the kids are all chanting Kardashian and we're kind of you know making it was so tonally sometimes it sort of

shifted for me and I had a hard time with you know the balance of of the sort of campiness to the real emotional drama but I I did I did, I did enjoy it. I didn't enjoy it though. Cause Paulson and Courtney B Vance were like playing a hall of fame level. Oh man. I love Sterling K Brown in it too. Who got the Emmy, right?

Sterling and Sarah Paulson and Sarah Paulson. Yeah. Did Courtney B Vance win one? I don't remember. I'm not going to lie. I didn't even know that the Emmys were on. I missed Sarah Paulson got the Emmy. She fucking nailed. I don't remember. I'm not going to lie, guys. I didn't even know that the Emmys were on. I missed them. I knew that Sarah Paulson got the Emmy. She fucking nailed it.

She was so good. She was great. She was great. I would actually argue that that series was benefited by what felt like, to me, a toned-down Ryan Murphy involvement. Yeah. Well, they had such amazing directors. They had, like, John Singleton directing them. Yeah, because, like, he wasn't't like, it wasn't American Horror Story.

The O.J. Simpson trial. Right. Thankfully. You know, like I was like, like it's better if Ryan Murphy's like kind of involved in something, but like sort of like taking a backseat. They're like, what if Johnny Cochran's mouth is full of mobs? Every time he talks, mobs fly out. You're like, well, that didn't happen.

Settle down a little bit and then we can then maybe we can talk um all right so i'm taking the oj trial with my first pick the second pick of the first round aaron mallory long you have your first pick the final pick of the first round pick number three okay i've been thinking about this for a long time. And I think what I want to do is the Rachel haircut. Oh, my God. What a good pick. Thank you. That's so great.

Yeah. Mostly because of my love of friends, but also it's just so interesting to me a haircut having that much of an impact. Yeah. That's a rare. That doesn't happen a lot. No. And, like, then it happened later in my life with Keri Russell on Felicity. So it was just, like, this weird, like, this was the first time I had seen a haircut that

I knew and was looking at, like, become a phenomenon. Yeah. And then it was, like, a lot of, like, I never used to do anything to my hair. Like, I was a little kid and, like, I just had, like, very thick a lot of like, I never used to do anything to my hair. Like I was a little kid and like I just had like very thick bangs and like very stick straight hair. And then like this haircut came out and I was like, maybe I want layers. Yeah. And they don't look good on me. But I had that.

You had to dip your toe in the water at least. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, but I also got layers. I got like, I got like the Rachel got like i got like the rachel haircut like five years after the rachel haircut happened like it was like it was like a throwback at the time like if you figure that haircut happened in like 94 i definitely got it in like 98 because like then i was in eighth grade and i was like i can do whatever i want like of course yeah

that's when you start trying to figure out who you are as a person. Yeah. You know, like, well, you're not a kid anymore. You definitely have not solidified your personal style. You make a lot of mistakes in that area. Yeah, yeah. It's just like a lot of trial and error. And Erin, now, you know the story behind how she got that haircut, right, from her stylist? I mean, tell me again.

I've heard a few different things. I've heard that, like, her stylist was either, like like drunk or on a ton of coke or I don't remember. I've heard that somewhere. Yeah, maybe that's the only story I have heard. I haven't heard that specifically, but I knew that it wasn't like it wasn't meant to be like. And then this is an awesome way to do your hair. Like it was kind of like a random choice choice she wasn't crazy about the cut no i think she didn't like it right yeah in an interview it was like it was awful yeah i hated it yeah i think she denied those comments but

maybe she was drunk or on a ton of coke which she said it was maybe speaking a clear mind everyone's on a ton of coke yeah it's just um it's so and then they reference it on the show too they reference it on friends like she says she says a line about her mom is gonna get a divorce and she's like oh couldn't she have just like copied my haircut or i do remember that one and i'm just like a sucker for any like reference to real life yeah like in tvs yeah like any self-referential things I just like eat it up yeah I feel like they definitely did that when Brad Pitt

guest starred when she was married to him that yeah we just covered that episode on my podcast and yeah it's like first of all you realize that Brad Pitt is not a comedic actor no like in the slightest although he was kind of good in that burn after reading he was kind of good in the Burn After Reading.

He was kind of funny. But he was just fully playing this like an animal. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what it has to be. Yeah. Right. He's a true romance kind of character.

Yeah. Because he's even kind of funny in like Ocean's Eleven. But like he's not like the funny guy. He's definitely not a sitcom guy. Yeah. He's not delivering jokes. You can't give him jokes. Right.

And also when he's up against the heavy hitters that were the cast of Friends, it's real hard to come across as funny. Totally. And that's what's really interesting re-watching that episode in particular. You're like, oh, you are out of your league. You're out of your league. I'm so sorry, Brad Pitt. I know you're a movie star, but you are out of your league here.

Which is very interesting to see because usually people like that are protected from doing roles like that. But it's like to see this massive movie like that are protected from doing roles like that. But it's like to see this massive movie star go into somewhere where he's not comfortable or the most charismatic person. It's very interesting. It was so strange to watch. It's such an interesting time capsule. Yeah. Like the whole show is.

Did you ever try to – you did the Rachel. Do you feel like that's the worst haircut you've ever had? Yeah. Because I didn't actually get the rachel it was like she cut my hair too short and then i still was growing out bangs so it was just like a very weird it's a layered yeah it was like a lot of layers like around my face which i already have a round face so i just like looked bigger it was not it wasn't great right right i would never i've never been able to understand what you're supposed to ask for when you go in where they're like so what do you want me to do i'm like

true figure it out whatever whatever you think is like not going to make me look like a schmuck i'm into like yeah i don't know what to tell people about my face yeah i mean yeah and you know and that's usually if you're if you're like here here the parts of my body i want to accentuate or like i don't like my ears if you just just tell them, I think they can. I don't even know that much. I just, when I look in the mirror, I get so dazzled by my own beautiful eyelids. Everything else sort of fades into the distance. For the past, like.

What is your, what's the worst hair? Oh, you were about to say something. No, no, no. No, you weren't going. Oh, I was just going to say for the past like eight years, all I tell a hair person to do is like, just keep it as long as possible. Because I've realized that I can't do layers. I can't do the Rachel.

And it's like, it just has to be long to keep it like a straight. The weight of it pulls it out. Yeah, so it doesn't frizz out or anything like that. Yeah. Carrie, what's the worst haircut you've ever had? Do you recall? I do.

You have fantastic hair right now, by the way. Thank you. It's a little pink in there. Yeah, it's some pink, some purple, some silver. It's fun. Thanks. It can be a boring world out there. Why not have a little fun with your hair, for God's sake?

Yeah, well, when I was a teenager, I used to dye it with Manic Panic from Hot Topic. Absolutely. Got into trouble because I was in a production of Alice in Wonderland, and I dyed my hair bright red in the bathroom at school, and somebody actually thought there was a murder in the bathroom because I dyed my hair with red Manic Panic. Yeah. And then also our theater arts professor teacher got yelled at me because she was like yeah

Alice in Wonderland her hair is supposed to be blonde like your hair was and now your hair is red and you need a wig so they got me a wig but then I was like yay free wig it was like a cool like blonde raver wig yeah yeah yeah but I think the worst haircut I definitely know the worst haircut I ever had

my best friend Danielle who later went on to. Shout out to Danielle. Later, she got her cosmetology license. But when we were like 12, 13, I was her guinea pig for all things. For her wanting to try to learn how to shape eyebrows and do haircuts and do highlights. And so I remember one time she was angling the front of my hair. This was the most adventurous I'd ever been with my hair.

And instead of angling it, she basically took a big chunk in the front and sort of cut straight across. Oh, no. And so I had one side that was beautifully angled and then the other side, which was mullet-likeet like i guess because she literally cut straight across yeah and so i remember thinking the left side looks so beautiful but the right

side looks so bad but i couldn't keep the left side because then on the right side she had to fix it which she ended up cutting it really short it was terrible um no but uh yes that was the worst haircut i ever had it was um i couldn't even describe it it was just like just imagine if you gave a toddler scissors and a head oh no how long did it take until it was acceptable again i don't remember i probably i probably tried to like wear it half up a lot. I don't recall. That was a dark time. Yeah. Yeah.

Hair stress is really affecting to me. Like I get very upset thinking about that. Like it's a lot of anxiety. Yeah. For people to have to deal with. Because everyone can just see your hair all the time. Like there's nothing you can do about it. You can't like cover it constantly.

Like you just can't. Oh, right. You have to, yeah, it's just going to sort of be out there. Yeah. Not with some dudes,

not some dudes are very into their hair would feel that exact same thing with me. It was just like mistakes of, it was never like a look I was going for. Yeah. It was just a lack of care. So like for, for like eight years of my life, like all the way up until like college,

probably I just would buzz it all the way off and then let it grow out to a towering jufro. And then like I was producing wool for a mill. And then I would just let it grow all the way back out. And that was my look. And then there were terrible looks in between where it was like kind of – it wasn't far enough out to curl. So it just looked like awful. Like it looked like it escaped from an institution.

Oh, no. I like what you've got going on now though did take off my hat hoping to get one or two compliments yeah you've got this sort of like short on the side yeah sort of longer on top it's like a nice not i don't want to say coif because coif sounds like a little bougie you don't have to put coif on me it is it's got like a nice sort of wave. It's sitting very well right now. It also looks like you're not trying too hard, but it also looks like you didn't just roll out of bed. You know, I'm not going to work up too much effort into it.

Yeah. And I also can't see like the sort of fade, I guess you'd call it. I can't see the line from where it goes from short to the longer up top. Extra fade. Yeah. It is. It blends very well. Can I tell you the situation I'm in right now,

which was a great situation to be in? Yes, please. The guy who cuts, I work for the late show, James Corden. And the guy who cuts James Corden's hair is this guy, Jason, I forget his last name. Waterfalls.

Jason Waterfalls. So this man, Jason Waterfalls, and he didn't stick to his rivers and lakes. He comes to Television City. Now, he cuts, you know james's hair every day and he's a soup he's the best dude he like grew up in long beach just like great chilled out like california like what you think of when you think of a california guy uh just maybe one of the nicest people i've ever met in my life maybe and uh he'll just like when right

not even just writers like it'll be pas it's like whenever somebody will be like walking by and he'll pop out and be like, you, and whistle at you and motion you in. Oh, wow. And you're like, he picked me. And then you go in. And at this point, I can be like, hey, can I, you know. It's my dream.

I got a date, or I got a whatever. Yeah. We cut my hair. And he'll do it. And so it's this guy who cuts Bruno Mars' hair and James Corden's hair. Wow. He cut Kevin Durant's hair for the GQ cover or whatever. Amazing.

Not GQ, the other. A Rolling Stone cover. And every now and then, he'll just be like, hey, come on. He was with Lady Gaga for her music video, cutting her hair. So he just was like, come on in. Wow. And he does it in five minutes. I hope the listeners are into this.

He does it in five minutes. That's incredible. And he's talking to you the whole time. And then like five minutes later, you walk out with like the best haircut you've ever had. Oh, I love it. Wow. It's the best. I don't know how I'm ever going to leave the show.

Yeah. It's so cool. Yeah. Well, you'll have to make sure you get his digits. Absolutely. Well, we're buds now, so I don't think it'll be a problem. But just a fun little perk. Yeah.

He's the best dude. Shout out to Jason as well. Great. So you picked the, that's the end of the first round. Yes. You went with the Rachel haircut. Now you also have the first pick of the second round and you're going back to back. Yes.

Where will you take us now? Well, I think now that it's come up, I would be remiss if I did not draft. I hate to be remiss. As I said it, I was like, this is so stupid. If I didn't draft The Simpsons. Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. I think that would be a bad idea if I didn't snag that.

I like snack it. Fucking Shakespeare's not the only dude who can make it. I'm not making it a word. Yeah, snack it up. I believe snack is Elizabethan. Yeah. Snack it up. Is that what you were just going to say? yeah snack it up i believe snack is for is elizabethan it's from yeah snack it up is that what you're just gonna say uh uh the simpsons i like i have always watched it was always a thing that we watched as a family like the simpsons was always like yeah a thing that

we did together to the point where like i remember watching like I was literally like three I think watching like the Tracy Ullman show with my parents and like that's when like um he would do like Matt Groening would do little interstitials with like the Simpsons uh family and that's how the show happened like I remember watching those I remember seeing those like in a very vague childish way when Homer had that nightmare voice yeah yeah. Yeah, and when they looked crazy. Yeah, they looked insane. That was the, like, undistilled Matt Groening, like, just, like, life and hell crazy guy.

Yeah, exactly. That's what it looks more like. Yeah. Yeah. But it's always just been, it's just been such a huge, huge part of my life. And it was, like, I just, like, kids would say that they weren't allowed to watch it like i would go to school you weren't allowed to watch it no and like it didn't make

sense to me because i was like i watch it with my parents like yeah i was like so it's like it there was a big disconnect to me of like this was this thing i loved so much and then like i knew so many kids who just weren't allowed to watch it and I was like so confused by that I think a lot of people they would be like oh yeah of course the Simpsons I think they don't understand how into it some people are yeah I'm one of those people that where I like I watched it every single week I watched like one or two episodes every week now I like it was I completely like me and like my the people i was best friends with in middle school and high school like i feel like it completely shaped our senses of humor and we've had to like rough out you know become our own people since then but we would

communicate like simpsons references totally yeah i and that's what was weird for me like i didn't have i didn't have a lot of friends who watched it it was strictly like something that i watched at home with my brother with my parents like so in high school like these two like like nerdy guys and like my honors classes like we found out that the three of us always watch simpsons and that's when it was on on sundays and so like we would come in monday morning and talk about the previous night's episode. Yeah. And like it was me and these two guys and like we would just recap The Simpsons to each other and like just make the jokes to each other all the time. The best. And those were like my first friends I had who like were into The Simpsons at all.

And I was like, this is great. The Sunday move devastated me because then like that's what my stepdad was always watching Sunday night football. Oh, no. And it was crazy because I played football. I was like played football all the way since fourth grade. Yeah. And I like – I enjoyed watching football. But like Sunday nights, I was like, can we watch The Simpsons?

And he was like, no, I'm watching the football games. No. Fine. Jock. Asshole. Right. Oh, God. He was a chef who had never played football.

And I couldn't – like, yeah, it just made me – I hated football because of it. Yeah, it was so fucking – can I tell you a fun, another fun perk of the job right now? Is one of our writer's assistants is Tracy Ullman's son. Oh my God. So every now and then, Tracy Ullman will like just be hanging out. That's amazing. We watched one of the first, I think it was like, it was in the primary still. It was either Republican or Democrat debate, I forget what, but we had to stay at work and watch it.

Yeah. So we could write about it for the show. And Tracy Ullman just loves watching it, so she just came in. Oh, my God. And she's sitting there, and eventually, like any famous person, eventually you just forget they're famous and they're just like this amazing. And she was just so, she still got it, still has her fastball. Oh, my God. So fucking funny.

Such a, just a, you get, like it's, you meet someone and you're like, oh, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like one of the most treasured comedians of our time. Wow. So she was just in there and she's so funny and so great. Yeah, so that's just another. That's amazing. Another amazing perk of the job.

And her son's a nice, you would never know he comes, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never know he comes from whatever famous people. Just such a nice, down-to-earth, really cool guy. Oh, my God. Shout out to Johnny. Oh, that's my brother's name. Yeah.

Shout out to all Johnnies. All Johnnies. Do you guys remember that movie that Tracee Ullman did with Kevin Kline and River Phoenix called I Love You to Death? No. It's a really great movie. I haven't watched it in a long time. Oh, Keanu Reeves is in it as well.

Oh, he buried the lead. movie. I haven't watched it in a long time. Oh, Keanu Reeves is in it as well. Oh, he buried the lead. Yeah, I know, I did. It's about this woman who, Kevin Kline is Tracy Ellman's husband. He's a horrible human being. And so she decides she's going to kill him per advice of her mother, who's like this like small kind of like dictator-like Italian mother, matriarch of the family. And she tries to kill him and it just isn't working. And it's really funny.

It's a really funny movie. But yeah, I just thought of it. What's it called one more time? It's called I Love You to Death. I'm going to put it on the queue. Wow. It's a really fun movie. Yeah, there's some other people in it.

I can't think off the top of my head. But yeah yeah stellar cast amazing did you get into The Simpsons later on or I've known people who didn't watch it as a kid

and just have decided I'm like I'm not gonna I can't it's too much here's what I'm gonna say go on this is gonna be

no you know this is gonna be controversial because I feel like there are plenty of people The Simpsons I've seen episodes yes I've seen episodes. I've seen episodes,

but it's never something that I really got into. I don't know why. It's one of those things that almost, like all of my friends, my boyfriend, everybody, they love The Simpsons. They grew up on it. They've been watching it for years or maybe discovered it a little bit later in life. And it was just one of those things that just didn't,

not didn't click with me, but just didn't, you know, sort of attach itself to me. You're a bad person with terrible thoughts. But I will say I like episodes that I have seen sort of in passing I've enjoyed. I did start I remember when Family Guy came out and I was in high school. So I've seen every episode of Family Guy and i watched the episode the two-parter that they had a family guy with the simpsons and i you know i really liked it um and i realized that's like a hot point of contention too it's like the simpsons versus family guy um but yeah

i've always yeah it's totally fun it's always been on my radar a lot of people like you out there okay it just didn't i think it's i think if if it didn't hit you in the right way at a certain age, you know. And maybe, I mean, maybe I can blame it on my parents who didn't let me watch it along with Married with Children, which I did finally when I got a little bit older, started watching and reruns. Yeah. That one's, yeah.

Yeah. I watched that. That was a great show. Yeah. I like, I like to think that I can be like calm and like, I've had to like work near celebrities or whatever. Like, I've had to do stuff. But I went to a table read for The Simpsons, like, two years ago.

Wow, that's cool. And I was like, it'll be fine. I'll be cool. It'll be okay. And I got there and I literally, like, I had, like, a full, like, cold sweat. Like, I was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe this is happening. And then, like, Nancy Cartwright started walking, like, towards me. sweat like i was just like oh my god i can't believe this is happening and then like nancy cartwright started walking like towards me and i was like with my podcast co-host actually jamie

and i was like why is nancy cartwright walking towards us and then she was like so sweet and was like do you want me to sign your script and i was like yes and i like couldn't i was just the whole time i feel like a full-blown panic attack. Like, I was like, oh, my God, Hank Azari's on the phone. Like, he wasn't even in the room with us, and I was, like, freaking out. Like, we, like, went up to Matt Groening, and I was like, hi, I've been watching The Simpsons since I was, like, three. And he was like, I don't think that's true. And I was like, it's literally true. Like, I don't know.

Like, so it's, like, it is hard because it's, like, something that I have such a strong emotional connection to. So it's, like, I have no subjectivity towards it or objectivity towards it. Like I can't I like can't relate to you not having watched it. Like, you know, like but it's like I don't have any ill will towards you about it. I just like God, I'm like, I literally can't like I'm like, I can't fathom a world where that's not a part of my life because it feels like it's part of me. And that's how I feel about the Golden Girls. Yeah. So, you know, the Golden Girls is my Simpsons.

Yeah. We all have our thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was in Portland at a restaurant called Paley's Place, which is in northwest Portland. Matt Granning's from Portland. Right. I'm from Portland.

And I was sitting there. I was on a date. I was on like a third date with my at the time girlfriend. Now very good friend. Shout out to Amanda Armstrong. Where we were sitting there eating. And I see this man walking down the street with like two or three other people coming towards us. And I'm like, no. I can't be him.

And then my head might start doing the math. I'm like, he's literally from this neighborhood. This is a pretty nice restaurant. That could be Matt Granning. And he walks by. We're sitting on the patio and he comes up the stairs and walks down the restaurant. I'm like, I'm 95% sure that's Matt Granning. And I was telling Amanda and she was

like, I'll go find out. And she liked the Simpsons but it wasn't like a religion to her like it was to me. And she walks in and she's going to the bathroom and just went to his table. Are you Matt Granning? It wasn't like a religion to her like it was to me. And she walks in and, like, takes a look. She's going to the bathroom and just went to his table. Are you Matt Granning? And he was like, yes.

And then, great, nice to meet you. And then she, like, came back out and she's like, it's Matt Granning. Oh, my God. And then I had to sit there. I was, like, handshaking. I was drinking a glass of water. Like, oh, cool. Do you think I should go say hi to him?

Was he nice? Was he cool? Was it private? Was it a private moment? like she was like no you should go talk to him so i went to the bathroom and like fixed my hair and like and like dabbed the sweat off my forehead all that stuff and then like walked back to his table and again like like you were saying i've worked in like late night for the last three years and like so you meet you meet famous people every single day you see tom cruise was in our office then shack and like yeah like all these people on it just this week and you meet them and

it's like oh hi nice to meet you and uh with mac renning i would just went up and i was such a chump i had no idea how i was like you're you chose me so much i'm a stand-up comedian you show me so much i don't think i'd be a comedian without you and he was sitting there with maggie his sister Maggie. Oh, my God. So I got to meet the person Maggie was named after. And we were eating on a restaurant off of Flanders Street. Oh, wow.

It was the coolest moment. So yeah, Matt Granning and The Simpsons, perfect pick. That is amazing. I loved the crossovers, too. I liked the critic crossover. Oh, yeah. I loved the critic, too. I did, too. I really liked critic crossover. Oh, yeah. I love the critic, too. I did, too.

I really liked that. It was a jelly bean. Amazing pick. You can't go wrong with The Simpsons. And now it's on to me. The second pick of the second round. My second pick. Am I going to stay in that lane?

Nope. Okay. I'm going to pick something that means so much to me. I don't know if it's a thing that would get picked in this room. I don't know if you guys are sports fans at all. A little bit? Not really. All right.

I could name a lot of Red Sox players and basketball players from the 90s, I guess. I bet you could name a basketball player on the thing I'm about to pick, which is the 1992 Dream Team. Yeah, there you go. Yes. I was like, there are certain sports things from the 90s in particular that I would know. The 1992 Dream Team, it was the first time the U.S. Olympic basketball team, after not doing it for like 30 years or so, sent professional basketball players to the Olympics. Right, right. And it was Michael Jordan.

It was your boy Larry Bird. Yeah. He was on that team. Clyde Drexler from the Portland Trailblazers. So I'm not going to name all of them. Barkley. Yeah. Charles Barkley was on that team.

It was amazing. As a young sports fan, especially, but I kind of like sports in general, and I'm a huge basketball fan. Yeah. And they practiced in Portland a lot because Mikey's there too. but like I'm a I kind of like sports in general and I'm a huge basketball fan yeah uh so when that and they practiced in Portland a lot because Mikey's there too um so when that first came together it was like it blew my mind that like all these people were on the same team I was like eight years old yeah and then they went to the Olympics and killed everybody they killed every

they beat like like I remember they had one game against like Angola or the Cameroon where they beat them by like 80 points. It wasn't even fair. They were destroying everybody. It was like Michael Jordan at the height of his powers. Yeah. Johnson was on the team. Oh, gosh, yeah.

It was this amazing collection of basketball players. Was this like a little before the Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Muncie Bogues? Right before the Grandma Maya. That feels like it was more like 94. Yeah, that was kind of 94, 95. One of those Charlotte Hornets teams, which are also super 90s. Right, that's what I was going to say. I had a Hornets starter jacket.

I did too! I always wanted one! Oh, that was so dope. That was the fucking one. I had a Hornets and a Toronto Raptors one. I was in Portland. I didn't even have any Blazers stuff. No, yeah, I didn't have any.

Yeah, my sister had a Dallas Cowboys one, and I had a Hornets jacket. The Hornets one was in Portland. I didn't even have any blazers and stuff. No, yeah, I didn't have any. My sister had a Dallas Cowboys one and I had a Hornets jacket. The Hornets one was the move. I wanted one so bad. It was so rad. My parents were like, you don't care about sports. And I was like, I don't care. Everyone has these jackets and I want them. And I wanted the pullover one with the couch

in the front. Yeah, that's what I had. Because one of my best friends had it. I had the zip up. And then my other best friend had like a zip up one. And I was like, why can't you just buy me this jacket? This is all I want in the world. I also remember getting, I don't think it was a starter jacket necessarily, but I do remember getting, no, you know what? I had the Hornets zip up.

And then, and I promise my parents didn't have a lot of money, so I don't know why I had two of these things, but I had a Hornets zip up and I had the Mighty Ducks pull over. But only because I loved the Mighty Ducks. Totally. The movies. Of course. What could be better than those movies? Yeah. It was, I mean, I guess great that they started the hockey team after, but the Mighty Ducks

jersey, and the color scheme worked both ways. You could wear the Mighty Ducks jersey with that starter jacket. Oh, yeah. It's a lot of green. It's a lot of turquoise. It was like white and then some green. Yeah. I still have a Mighty Ducks long-s long sleeve tee from when the second movie came out.

My dad and I went to an advanced screening. D2. Knuckle puck. We went to an advanced screening and we won this hugely oversized long sleeve tee that I have worn to every Christmas since that year. Is it still way too big? Yeah. Like a 2XL?

It's still big. Yeah. It's like a 2XL. Oh, cool. I happen to wear 2XLs. It's great. It's very well loved. Yeah.

The Hornets gear from the 90s was so clutch. Oh, my God. But yeah, this was a little bit before that. Muggsy Buggs was in the league, but I don't think Larry Johnson or Alonzo Mourning were. Alonzo may have actually about to have been. In fact, it was. It was the year before Alonzo Mourning was in the league, but I don't think Larry Johnson or Alonzo Mourning were. Alonzo may have actually about to have been. In fact, it was. It was the year before Alonzo Mourning was in the NBA.

But there was just nothing like it. And Michael Jordan, at that point, was one of the most famous people in the world. Yeah. The Olympics were in Barcelona that year. And I remember in Barcelona, Nike had put up this massive mural of Michael Jordan. Wow. And there's this amazing picture of, like, Michael Jordan looking up at this, like, impossibly huge Michael Jordan billboard. And it's, like, this amazing picture. Oh, my God.

And they were so good that they, like, there's amazing stories. I forget the – fuck, I'm blown. There's an amazing book about the 92 Dream Team that I think just came out. But they were there, and they were so good that they didn't really have to not party at the Olympics. So like Charles Barkley, there's stories about him being in Barcelona alone. Because he just wanted to go out and maybe some of the other players didn't. And he would just walk from bar to bar followed by all these people who were like, you're Charles Barkley. We know who you are.

You know what I mean? Just going. And yeah, it's like this legendary team story about how he would just be hammered the night before. I mean, yeah, they were probably still drunk when they were playing. They probably were. Michael Jordan, legendary partier and gambler. And bad dude, by the way. But not like a terrible dude, but just sort of a bad dude.

Wait, back up. Oh, do you not know that? I don't know that. Oh, you guys don't know? Michael Jordan, not a bad dude the way that most people are bad dudes. It's like, you're a monster and I hope you die. But real quick, the book is called Dream Team by Jack McCallum. Amazing book.

Everybody, if you're into basketball or even not, you should check it out. Yeah, Michael Jordan's not a good dude. He's like a legendary asshole who would punch other... He punched Steve Kerner, who's another... One of his teammates, in the face during practice just because he felt like he wasn't trying hard enough. The game...

Problem gambler. One of the competitive... like would talk shit. But he's so charming in all of those Hanes ads. I know. He's so cute. Maybe a sociopath. But like. Wow.

I feel like I'm not doing the best job of explaining it. He at his Hall of Fame, watch his Hall of Fame speech if you really want to get a feeling for it. Yeah. He invited like the player who got cut so he could be on the team in high school to his Hall of Fame speech, or the player who made it instead of him making it. Something like that, just so we could sort of talk shit to him at his NBA Hall of Fame

induction. So he sounds like a dick. He's a dick. When he was the part owner of the Washington Wizards, and they drafted this kid out of high school, and Jordan thought he wasn't good enough, so he just made him cry in practice every day. Oh, my God. Because it's Michael Jordan, the most legendary basketball player ever, talking shit to you.

Right, right. You're like an NBA player. You're like, you're my hero. And then he's like, fuck you. Do you think that kid's going to write a Whiplash-like movie about – That would be amazing. Yeah, Kwame Brown, if you want to write a movie. He washed out of the league pretty quick.

He should have been better. But, yeah, they – but, I mean, fuck it. He was so fun to watch basketball, and I never had to talk to him. So whatever. His dad was murdered. His dad was murdered. His dad was murdered. No, I didn't know that either.

One conspiracy. There he is. They think his dad was murdered by people that Michael Jordan owed money from gambling debts. Interesting. Which is why he had to quit the NBA for two years. That he was given a soft suspension where the NBA was like, we're not going to suspend you in front of everyone and ruin your endorsements with Haynes and Ballpark and Gatorade and Nike and yada, yada, yada. But you need to calm this down.

You need to go away for a while. And people think that's why he went to go play baseball. You need to go away for a while. And people think that's why he went to go play baseball. Oh, my God. Total conspiracy theory shit that has never been. But it's like a fun thing that basketball fans like to discuss with one another. Wow. Interesting.

Anyway, the Dream Team is amazing. I still have two of their shoes. I have the Dream Team Jordan 7s and the Charles Barkley's Air Forces in the Dream Team colors. I love them so much. Do you still wear them? I do. Cool. Oh, they're like their re-releases. So they Forces in the Dream Team collars. I love them so much. Do you still wear them? I do. Cool. They're re-releases, so they're from the last couple years.

Okay. I just love the color. They just look like America in the 90s. Yeah, totally. It's such a specific vibe. It is. It really is. Yeah.

It's so cool. Yeah. Poster rack. We didn't know we were the villains yet. Yeah, exactly. Cool. Poster rack. We didn't know we were the villains yet. Yeah, exactly. Cool. So that's my second pick. I could not have the dream team.

Carrie, it is now your turn. How many do we get total, by the way? Five rounds. I can't believe I always forget to tell people that. Five rounds, great. Yeah, yeah. So I've picked, I've done one so far? Yes.

Okay. But you're about to do two in a row. I'm going to do two in a row. Can you recap what we have so far so I can imagine in my mind categorically? Lisa Left Eye Lopez's rap and Chasing Waterfalls. Okay. And then I went OJ Trial. Okay.

Then we went Rachel Haircut. Okay. The Simpsons. Okay. The Dream Team. All right. And here we are. Okay.

I think for this round, and who would I, what would I be going up against in this round? Going up against, what do you mean up against what are you in now? So are we in round two now? We're in round two. And I'm the first pick. You're the first pick. Okay. I'm going to go with, for this one, the Blair Witch Project.

Oh, wait. You're the last pick around. Yeah, you're the last pick of round two. Okay. So Blair Witch Project is going up against Simpsons and Dream Team? Yeah. Oh, well, it's just all. Well, it's just all.

It's the grand total of them. Oh, right. You pick whatever you want. Okay. Yeah. Remember at the beginning when I was like, yeah, I know how fantasy works. Yeah. I kept picturing it as brackets and oh you were thinking yeah and then i was like oh no it's not that okay my boyfriend's in like four fantasy leagues right

now weekends are stressful for him right yeah yeah he's yelling at random football players yeah well also it's like jacksonville jaguar you know he'll have like someone he'll have like players on like offense on one team and then he'll have the whole defense on another team so he's also very like you know he's fighting himself really yeah he is yeah yeah fantasy's weird because you could be you have one quarterback and your opponent has the wide receiver he's throwing to yeah it's weird right yeah um the but let's talk about your pick. Okay, so. The Blair Witch Project. The Blair Witch Project came out, I believe, in 99.

98 or 99. I was a. 99. 99. Now, if you guys remember. Correct. This is, you know, this is in the days before, like, social media. You know, the internet was still kind of like, you know, you used it once in a while.

But I remember when the movie came out, hearing that the three people in the movie, the teenagers were actually that this was all real found footage. Right. They were actually missing in real life. I think there was like a website you could go to where it had all the information about them. And when this movie came out that was it was so huge it was like this new thing of being able to go and see like real footage from real missing people and and i remember me and all the kids in my neighborhood we always used to pile into ben hazen's mom's van and go to the silver city gallery a mall in taunton massachusetts and we'd go see movies and taunton and taunton i mean it's Taunton, Massachusetts, and we'd go see movies. In Taunton? In Taunton.

Taunton? I mean, it's Taunton. It sounds like Taunton. I know it does. I was trying to say, there are two T's, but we would just call it Taunton because that's how you talk in Cabin, Massachusetts. That's how you talk in upstate New York, too. Okay, great.

You swallow your double T's. Great. Not Toronto. Nobody in Toronto pronounces a second T. What do they say? Toronto. Toronto? Oh, yeah. Well, it's that sort of T. What do they say? Toronto. Toronto? Oh, yeah.

Well, it's that sort of soft D. You know what I mean? So I remember a bunch of us in the neighborhood. We went and saw it and I felt so bad. Our friend's mom,

my friend Danielle, who gave me the bad haircut, her mom bought us tickets for another movie or tried to buy us tickets for The Blair Witch and they were like, well, you have to go in with them because I think we were all under 18 or whatever.

And so their poor mom had to see The Blair Witch Project with us and was terrifying. And I remember, I feel like it was a few months after the movie came out that finally the actors were able to do press and kind of reveal. They kept them all hidden away. The way that The Bachelor you know final rose pick aren't allowed to see each other and have to like live quietly um so we saw it before like right when it came out and seeing it i've re-watched it recently but seeing it through the lens as a teenager watching these

teenagers who you think are actually going missing was something that gave me nightmares and stuck with me for like a year afterwards like the final shot in the movie spoiler alert uh where the dude mike is standing in the corner yeah oh yeah gave me nightmares for so long but like what a brilliant way to make a movie because i think that movie i think it was only recently surpassed by like paranormal activity in terms of a movie that's grossed you know way you know exponentially more that was on its budget so it was just for me it was and you never saw the witch no yeah no it would have been like what would have made signs a good movie yeah totally totally um yeah so i'm gonna say Blair Witch because and also it was like a woman leading the two men who were idiots and i just felt so bad and Heather had to deal with those two no i'm not saying you're on a first day

Heather i would never have been oh Heather Josh might yeah i have not re-watched it since 1999 same here yeah yeah i believe it's on Netflix oh Oh, I kind of want to watch it. It's kind of the month for it. Yeah. Or it kind of was the month for it when we recorded this. Yeah. I, like, my parents actually took me to, like, an 11pm screening of Blair Witch. So I was

14. Your parents had to cool early. Yeah, no. Because my parents were, like, young. Like, they had me when they were, like, 23. So, like, they're always just like, yeah, because my parents were, like, young. Like, they had me when they were, like, 23. So, like, they're always just like, yeah, watch whatever you want. I don't know. Yeah, we're watching Sling Blade. You want to watch it?

And I'm like, sure, I'm 10. And then I was like, oh, God, like, what's happening? But my little brother was with my grandparents, and we were going camping the next morning. No fucking way. No lie. We were going camping the next morning no fucking way no lie we were going camping the next morning my little brother he's five years younger he was safe with my grandparents my parents were like we want to see Blair Witch but you're not staying home alone come on and I was like oh I feel like this is gonna be scary and they're like it's fine like we go and watch it I was terrified the whole time just like just like. Just like so scared. And we

go out like hiking for and we by the way did like real camping. Like we like quote unquote real camping. We went like hiking for miles into like our campsite. Like backpacking and stuff. And so I'm like you know the little like repressed theater kid that I am now. And I

like had our like little video camera and I like just was like little video camera and I like just was like okay well I'm gonna deal with my fear in the daytime by shooting like a parody Blair Witch project this whole time so I like I like turned the camera on myself and was like like crying into the camera and stuff which was all fun and games until it was nighttime and then my dad started like making those little twig things and leaving that like i went away and i came back and i was like what is that oh no and then like figured out that my my dad did it and then we like made my brother go stand in the corner of this like lean to that we were staying in to film

that like somewhere there is footage of this like blair witch parody that i did that's amazing i love that your parents were like they took you to see a scary movie and that wasn't enough. Your dad's like, no, I'm going to fuck with her. And she's like, yeah, right. Like the back then. And it was, it was fun and games. Like it was like, I think I, I was really scared, but I ultimately like felt safe, but it was still like, it was like a lot for me to take.

Like, I think now I would react to it a lot more poorly like now I think I would be like screaming sure and like really freaked out but I think you have a little bit of like a

oh it's okay I can like handle this like when you're like a teen you also have that like I'm here with my parents the people who protect me

and now we don't have those people yeah right we're alone adults drifting in the world yeah everything's a lot scarier as an adult.

Because then you start knowing that you can die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, people might die all the time. Yeah, like, oh no. Yeah. Yeah. Blair Witchcraft, that's a good pick. That's a good pick. And right, yeah, 99.

Right in under the cusp, yeah. Scary. I don't I'm not I get too scared when I see scary movies so I have to like be very careful

about the circumstances I see them under if I watch one a home alone even if I'm not stoned which only makes it way worse I start every noise I hear outside

I'm like they're here to kill me well the fact that you're watching it alone to begin with is a bad decision it's a terrible decision but it's kind of weird to call up you like maybe it's not that weird maybe i'm just trapped in the stigma of masculinity like call up your dude friends be

like what's up man you want to come over and watch like uh it follows yeah dude just you and me i got some kettle corn uh yeah but but i guess we could be scared together i would snuggle the fuck out of one of my friends yeah yeah a scary movie yeah my old roommate my last roommate when i lived in new york we would uh she was a horror movie nut and we would just rent every horror movie and uh watch them together and yeah we would like sort of like you know clutch each other on the couch and i i'm i'm always torn because i i love horror movies i love being i but i don't like the it's like it's like a weird love-hate relationship with the anxiety that i feel like like a good horror movie like the slow burn of the shining like that i'm fine sitting through but the ones that do and i'm not going

to say cheap because it's not cheap but you, you know, those quick music stings of somebody jumping out from around a corner. You know, those are the ones that, like, give, like, I feel tense. My whole body is tense. Yeah. The whole time. Absolutely. And that's what those paranormal activity movies did. I remember seeing the first one.

I never saw those. Front row in the movie theater the night it came out. And every time you just go back to, like, that, they sort of reset. You know, you're in the bedroom, the night camera's on, and like a minute would go by when nothing would happen, just sort of building up the tension.

I just remember that movie. I was so terrified. Yeah. It was loud. That's the thing about the theater too. Those movies are loud. They are loud, yeah. And it goes from silent

to the loudest thing you've ever heard so quick. Yeah. Another thing I appreciate about the Blair Witch, and even like M. Night Shyamalan's movies and stuff like that, is that they are, they're scary in a different way. I hate what's happening in horror now, and it's happening less so now, but kind of like the Eli Roth, like, skin getting carved out of a body that you have to watch, and like torture porn and stuff like that. I forget what, it was like a remake of, I don't even remember what movie it was,

but someone was in a bathtub shaving the skin off their legs. Yes, that was Fever, Cabin Fever. I very specifically remember that. I got up and left. I was like, nope, I can't, I can't. And there's gonna be more. So I just like stood up and I was like, and Cabin Fever was kind of funny up top. It was like, nope, I can't, I can't, and there's going to be more. Oh, God. So I just stood up and I was like, and Kevin Peter was kind of funny up top.

It was funny moments in that movie. You know who was in that movie, by the way? It was a 90s teen heartthrob, Ryder Strong from Boy Meets World. What? Ryder Strong. Wow, I love Ryder Strong. What a good name, too. Yeah.

I had to leave. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I can't watch that. I specifically remember that scene. I've never seen any of the Saw movies. I know I can't handle it. No interest. I just don't want to do it. Yeah, I can't watch that. I specifically remember that scene. I've never seen any of the Saw movies. I know I can't handle it. No interest. I just don't want to do that.

I don't want to see someone's head get cantalouped in half. I don't want to see it. I don't either. But good for you if you do, and thank you for listening to the podcast. So that's the final pick of the second round. Carrie, you also have the first pick of the third round. Where are we going? Oh, boy.

Yeah. I've got so many. I'm trying to like— you can take a second to review your notes no i want me to sing a pleasant song while you i think i'm gonna go with this one um oh boy it's okay i've got a couple more i've only picked two so far right uh you have picked two so okay um i'm gonna go with uh snick saturday night on nickelodeon specifically uh the first shows that were on snick which were clarissa explains it all roundhouse ren and stimpy are you afraid of the dark yes god i'm here for roundhouse i don't know if i remember round oh god i talk about roundhouse i do too no one remembers it it's like my favorite show in the world i loved roundhouse i actually had you can watch episodes on youtube they um nickelodeon released snick tapes um they were bright orange vhs tapes and they would just have

one episode of each they would have a round of snick on it and i remember i got two of them it was i think the only two that they ever made uh but i would re-watch those all the time um roundhouse i loved roundhouse so much it was like a musical it was almost like snl like sketch yeah it was sketch and music and dancing yeah yeah all that precursor exactly but the stage it was a it was an in the round theater like stage where the audience would sit all around it was circular and the actors slash singers slash dancers a lot of whom weirdly are in the movie newsies if you've ever wow yeah they're like three or four of the boys that are were in newsies um they would all of the sets moved they were on wheels so it sort of felt it was like a theatrical production um and and yeah it was they would do i mean they had characters like certain characters

that they would do like the dad and his you know chair like his mechanized chair that moved around yeah they would do topical stuff like really really short sometimes blackout sketches like three second sketches yes yes it was really good. Just like, they were great. I mean, I feel like a lot of them were kind of, like, they felt like a lot of theater kids. They weren't necessarily hilarious. Yes. But, you know, they were all good singers and dancers.

They were captivating, yeah. Yeah. It's like who I knew I would become. Like, it's who I knew I would be friends with in high school was like that cast. And there was something cool about it in so much as like the theme song of Roundhouse and the way it was shot felt very like the real world. It sort of had this like...

And like Rent, kind of. Yeah, yes. It sounds a little bit like the missing link between all that and like the Mickey Mouse Club before kind of almost like that kind of vibe. Yeah, it was a little bit more teenage. It was like if you took the Mickey Mouse Club and combined it with The Adventures of Pete and Pete, which I think we can all agree is

Pete and Pete is like alternative, like cool early 90s alternative rock as a TV show. Yeah, absolutely. It was single cam. Nothing was like, it was weird, but it wasn't like campy weird. And like Janine Garofalo was on it steve buscemi iggy pop like patty hearst they had the most amazing guest stars they shot it in new jersey

yep it was just you know the child had a tattoo on his arm of a of a of a woman it was amazing mom had a plate in her head was peet and peet on snick as well this is part of your pick uh no they weren't i don't know if they were on snick later i don't think they were but the original snick was clarissa roundhouse um ren and stimpy are afraid of the dark clarissa was very important to my life so good i like clarissa it was just my my favorite thing i i then had a college professor uh molly for maglish one of my writing teachers she wrote on clarissa i found that out and i was like oh you're my best friend like i'm in love with you now i feel like you have you and i both tweeted at the yeah the creator yeah he's on twitter he's very excited i think he still follows me i follow him yeah

yeah he's great i i went to a um the probably the most amazing night of my entire life was when i went to um there was that there's this book called Slimed, and it's an oral history of Nickelodeon and the Golden Years, which is the 90s. And they had a book release party in New York, and I went to cover it. I had a web series at the time, Geeking Out, where I would nerd out on a bunch of people

from the 90s, usually, as a super fan. And I went dressed as Clarissa, and my best friend Dave came, and he was dressed as Sam, and he just brought a ladder with him. Oh, that's great. And we went dressed as Clarissa and my best friend Dave came and he was dressed as Sam and he just brought a ladder with him. That's great. And we went to this event and it was a it was a 90s Nickelodeon kids dream because I got to hang out in the green room the whole time. It was hosted by Mark Summers and there were people from every TV show that you can imagine. So like, you know, Mike Morona from Pete and Pete was there. Gary, who was the original one of the original cast members. He played Ross on Are You Afraid of the Dark?

Oh, my God. He had no he was like, yeah, we had no idea that the show was so popular. It was shot in Canada. He's a meteorologist now. And one of the most 90s things I've ever seen was the band, the real band that played the beats in the show Doug. Yes. They were playing Killer Tofu on stage and watching it on a monitor and singing along to every single line was Omar Gooding Jr.

from Wild and Crazy Kids in a suit. That's amazing. And it was amazing. And I was like, oh, my God. And then I turned around and Billy West was there. Oh, my God. The voice of Friend, the voice of Stimpy the voice of Doug

he was there with he was also Doug, Doug Funny he was there also Connie Schulman who played Patty Mayonnaise from Orange is the New Black she was there too, it was bonkers but Billy West and Bob Camp were there and he was one of the

writers or director of Ren and Stimpy and I got them to sing the Canadian canadian kilted yaksman anthem from ren and stimpy i had the lyrics printed out and we all sang it and i got in in uh ferguson from clarissa was there jason zimbler and the guy who played sam sean neil was there oh my god and i like just it was i can't even i can't i mean i just did but i can't even yeah it's amazing. I mean, I just did, but I can't even. It's amazing. You just walk out of that room feeling drunk. I did.

I was so drunk with, and there's a video. If you just Google, like, geeking out Nickelodeon 90s, I'm sure it'll come up. Oh, my God. I've never just felt like I was in a more magical place in my entire life than in the green room. That's kind of cool. And no shade by this. But like, because a lot of those actors and stuff where it was like, like you said, we just went on to have normal lives after that because of the circumstances surrounding us.

So like, it's not like these people in this room are going to be too Hollywood to like talk to you. Oh, no. Yeah. And another, and I'm sorry, we'll move on after this. I promise. I realize this is my sweet spot. So for the Simpsons for you.

This is the whole reason we do this podcast. Please. We'll move on after this. I promise. I realize this is my sweet spot. So this is the whole reason we do this podcast, please. I and now we're buddies, the Pete and Pete brothers. But when I was buddies, we're buddies. Yeah, cool there. Well, I forced myself into a lot of friendships. No, they're they're wonderful. And they actually they're still they're friends in real life.

They have a podcast called The Adventures of Danny and Mike, where they like take fun road trips with like comedians and friends. And they so lovely and their podcast is really great um but i years earlier when i first moved to new york right out of school i was a pa on the michelle gondry movie be kind rewind and and this was probably oh man this is probably like 2006. And this is before smartphones. And I remember I was like walking by the like electricians and they're all with their gear and everything. And I like look over and I'm like, wait, that guy kind of looks like Big Pete from Pete and Pete. But I didn't know. So I Googled.

I texted my friend Liz. And I remember being like, Liz, get on your computer. Get on the Internet and look up his name. Tell me what his name is. She texts me back. It's Mike Barona. And I and I'm like okay so I'm like walking with one of the other PAs and talking to him and I was like so anyway then I said to my friend Mike and then I looked and his head kind of turned I was like oh my god it's him it's him it's him but then I never had the guts to talk to him and then but and then like years later I was like hey like when I did

finally meet him I was like were you an electric an electrician on Be Kind, Rewind? It's shot in Passaic, New Jersey. And he was like, yeah. And I was like, oh my God, I saw you. But yeah, so. Amazing pick. So Clarissa explains it all. Roundhouse.

What were the other two? Ren and Stimpy. Ren and Stimpy. And Are You Afraid of the Dark? Are You Afraid of the Dark was really scary. Oh, it could get scary. It really could get. Yeah.

It would really terrify me. And my brother was younger than I. And like the opening credits, like he would instantly leave the room. It was too much. He would like see that like rowboat like rocking. Yeah. He'd be like, I'm out of here. Just run away.

It's this like ethereal like, it's like, it's almost, it's so crazy. It's almost like, like a David Lynch kind of, in terms of like layered music, atmospheric. It's like this, and then you hear like little kids giggling,

like way, way off in the background. And it's a really good opening theme song. I love kids scary stuff. I love that was like, and I don't want to, like I'm afraid to even mention the other two just in case someone wants to pick it. But like, does anyone have any other kid scary stuff like in their pocket that they want to talk about or draft? I don't.

Yeah. I mean, I have some on my list, but I think I don't know that I'll, I don't think I'll play them. Why don't we just talk about them? Okay. Fucking goosebumps and scary stories to Tell in the Dark. I almost brought those with me. I forgot to bring them.

I still have those. You still have them? Yes, I still have them. I have Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark still, but I don't have any more of my Goosebumps. But I love that. I've got a couple of Goosebumps. I loved it. So great.

Goosebumps were amazing. Arnold Stein's another guy who's on Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. Yeah. He's really fun.

What Goosebumps is to the Scary Stories books, Are You Afraid of the Dark is to Tales from the Crypt. Oh, yeah. Which was like 11 p.m., like Saturday night, like more objectively scarier than I think Are You Afraid of the Dark. Tales from the Crypt used to scare the shit out of me. Also scary. It was definitely more grown up.

Yeah, that's why I didn't watch it that frequently. Yeah. Like, I've only seen it a couple times because it freaked me out too much. The drawings in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark were the creepiest. Even today, you look at them

and you just feel a little uneasy. I agree. You lock your bedroom door that night, you know? And that one was fun. Like, goosebumps, no pictures, you know? Yeah, they were goofy. They were, I mean, Night of the Living Dummy, like, okay, maybe a little scary on the front. But yeah, those scary stories books.

I still remember there was one. I think it was called like The Haunting or something. But it was a skeletal woman with long stringy hair and hollowed out eyes. No eyes. Do you remember that one? I do remember that one. That one, like I couldn't, sometimes I would flip through the books. And like when I was a kid, those were like my bathroom books, which is like terrible.

I would literally go into the bathroom. I'm like, maybe I'll literally like scare the shit out of me. But like that one and the one where the the spiders in the cheek that explode. Yeah, those. Oh, God, those illustrations. I will. I because I put I literally put scary stories books it was my number one because I was going to bring them with me

and then I forgot them well we'll put that you can if you if you we let people pick who they think won on twitter polls it's also stupid I never even look at them when spoiler I never even look at them when you guys vote and pick the guests and not me no I do look but it doesn't it couldn't matter

less but if you're listening when you vote think of scary stories to tell in the dark when you guys vote and pick the guests and not me. No, I do look, but it couldn't matter less. But if you're listening, when you vote, think of scary stories to tell in the dark when you think of Carrie's collection. She just forgot to bring them. But those books were so fucking scary. If you were kind of a fun goth, those would be great tattoos to get, though. Oh, yeah. With these scary story illustrations,

right? Yeah. You were kind of a fun spooky kid. I really like the idea of a fun goth. I like that as a... I know exactly who that is, and I like it. Yeah. You were kind of a fun, spooky kid. I really like the idea of a fun goth. Like I like that as a, I know exactly who that is. You know what I mean, right? Yeah. Yeah.

They like, they really like scary movies. Yeah. They're one of those fun goths, but they dress like an all black, but they're one of the most chipper people. Yeah. Yeah.

Excellent. So Snick, can't go wrong with Snick. God. I mean, Ren and Stimpy, fuck, we spent so much time talking about Ren and Stimpy.

It's so great. Ren and Stimpy is so good still. It's so good. And that was another show where, you know, sometimes I would watch it and I'd go, oh, I feel ill. Like, you remember when they would do those very stylized. Those close-ups? Yes. It would be like, you know, Ren had boils on his body or something.

And yeah, I loved it. The nerve endings in the teeth yeah oh gosh that part always i'm like i'm constantly thinking about that at the dentist just all the time yeah yeah i feel yeah god they were so graphic they were like yeah and i feel like i feel like so many like the quote-unquote cool cartoons now oh they are like a direct line yes yeah even more so almost than the simpsons a little bit like they owe a lot more to ren and Stimpy. Yeah. Even more so almost than The Simpsons a little bit. Like they owe a lot more to Ren and Stimpy. Like even like Adventure Time and stuff like that.

Where they do that like bizarre. They'll do like bizarre. Yeah. Ren and Stimpy was weird. Yeah. Great pick, though. Snick. Cool.

Snick is awesome. All right. So it is my turn for my third pick. The second pick of the third round. And I'm going to stay in the land of television for this one. And I have to take it because I couldn't forgive myself if I didn't. I'm taking Seinfeld. Oh, good.

Which is, I know you Golden Girls friends, for me, that show would be Seinfeld. Yeah. To me, it is the perfect, the perfect show. The perfect, like every episode. Now that like, as a kid, I loved it. And even as like, I've literally never – it's like The Simpsons. I've never stopped watching it. Yeah.

From when it was on like first must-see TV episodes all the way through. It's still – when you have to – when you're in Hollywood and you have to go into a meeting, you know, like a general – like a network. And they're like, so what are you watching? Like what are you into now? What are you watching? And they're really like trying to figure out if any of their shows are like what like right creatives are watching but like i always have to lie because the only real answers i could give are just like mostly still just seinfeld it's real like i'll go home and just like watch that again uh it's and now that i write television i write late night but like you you

know you try to write sitcoms and stuff yeah you've written sitcoms and like i have such a greater level of appreciation for it having tried to write a show the way that those episodes would have the the a and the b storylines and even the c storylines sometimes that would all intertwine and connect like oh yeah no one can dovetail like a seinfeld episode none of them like yeah like larry david could write the fuck out of those episodes and like they all sort of wrap up at the end these three diversion storylines come together totally um when you think back to like some of the like iconic moments in seinfeld and you'll forget that like two of them will be from the same episode yeah you know like um i can't none of them are in my head right now examples but like

that's like a for sure like man hands will be the same episode as like uh But like, that's like a for sure. Like Man Hands will be the same episode as like, you know, some other icon, like Soup Nazi. That's not true. But like. Yeah, something like that. If I was going to say, yeah, without that not true, someone's going to write you an angry note. That part's fully not true.

But like, they would be like that, like that big of moments. And there'd be just two storylines from the same episode. I just love, I love Larry David. He's still like, Curb is still like my, is like one of my, one of my other five favorite shows. Oh, yeah, it's coming back. It's coming back. Yeah, ninth season. Yeah, and Seinfeld, it's just fucking, it's the perfect television show.

I just love it so much. It's, the stakes are never high. You know, nothing, like, that's, nothing really matters in it, you know? It's just so fun. It's a show about a comedian that never touches on that it's just sometimes

it'll use it as like a plot device but it's like as a stand up you know they'll tell you to like pitch a show about what you know and you're like

I can't do a show about a stand up because like Seinfeld did it and then Louis Louis yeah Seinfeld really I think I just said Seinfeld

Seinfeld really really fucking nailed it um yeah that's my that's my favorite and like everyone has a everyone has a friend who is like an unsuccessful stand-up who's like I wrote a pilot and then you read it and you're like oh cool great job yeah write another one though you, maybe get a couple out of this. Good start. Good start. Because it's always just like, oh, well, I must be as interesting as this. I know.

And it's like, you can't just take Seinfeld and just apply it to yourself. You can't do that. You have the best stand-up comedian pairing up with one of the best writers. And they made a thing together. Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, like, Julia Louis-Dreyfus is like oh my god my favorite person in the world like i have such love for her and i don't i don't know seinfeld that well i i've seen a ton of episodes i've maybe

even seen every episode but i don't like i don't know it quickly but like what you mean yeah if you watch it like you're just like this is great like it's just great tv like it's just easy and great and she is a fucking treasure she's amazing julie louis dry she's just the she's just the fucking best she's the best from like i mean snl yeah she weird i was talking about this with a buddy the other day like the she's one of the only people who's really been able to break the curse of the sitcom of the 90s sitcom we're like i mean we're like you know all these other people with the networks are like you loved friends right well how about matt leblanc doing this other thing and you're like uh no i can just go back and watch friends i i will i agree with you to a point but yeah episodes is great but also like let's not forget that lisa kudrow

did the comeback totally lisa kudrow she that valerie cherish lisa kudrow did the comeback totally lisa kudrow she that valerie cherish lisa kudrow as valerie cherish in the comeback like when i look at my two most favorite uh comedic actors in comedic roles that required a lot of improv like it will for me it will always be lisa kudrow as valerie cherish and Steve Carell as Michael Scott. Yeah. But she, I can't even begin, like, it's so different from Phoebe Buffay. Totally. Valerie Cherish could not be more different. And also, I think, like Michael Scott, Valerie Cherish is a character who manages to really balance unlikability with likability in so much as like they're a like they're not really great people

either one of those characters but there's something there's enough that's redeemable about them for you to watch and not hate watch and just hate them the whole time which i think is a really hard thing to achieve in writing and in acting totally and i think that's what seinfeld's and curb benefit from so much like like that likeability unlikeability like dichotomy or whatever you know like because like I actually I didn't watch Curb for a long time because anytime I watched an episode I agree with Larry David so intensely and I knew that that wasn't like right like that wasn't like necessarily like the right reaction like oh he's not great and sometimes he's crazy but I was like he's right he 100 right like well he is the things that social mores prevent us from doing yeah yeah yeah

yeah the samples at the ice cream shop yeah he's like what are you doing like get one sample yeah he's 100 right yeah well they abuse the system and then it's going to get taken away uh yeah uh he's so good and yeah. And yeah, I have to admit and I need to correct this. I haven't seen the comeback but my friend Sean O'Connor, shout out Sean O'Connor who used to be a writer

on The Late Late Show and now is elsewhere but it's like his, one of his two or three favorite shows. It's amazing. It's really great. I need to check that out.

So yes, but I went with Seinfeld with my third pick, Erin Mallory Lung. It is your turn. I just can't help but say your entire name every time I say it. I appreciate it. It's time for the brand is strong. Yeah.

It's time for your third pick, the final pick of the third round. Okay. I am going to go with Nev Campbell. Ooh. Just Nev Campbell in general. Ooh, yeah. Just Neve Campbell in general. She has Party 5 in the 90s. She has Scream, The Craft.

Like, she was eternally, like, linked to my adolescence. Like, she also was, like, she has a very, she has a specific kind of acting style slash like speech pattern where she sometimes pauses like in the middle of a sentence. Yes. And I would try to mimic that just all the time. Do you still have it in you? Can you give us a little bit? I can't. Give us your best attempt at a Neve Campbell.

I really can't because like, it's like I see it when it happens. It's just always like a, well, I mean, no like, yeah, it's always like and she does this weird. I just watched crap the other night too. And I was talking about this, but she does like a weird like kind of like almost robotic like body. I know exactly what you're talking about, you know, and like that's kind of how she acts. So like her her her speech pattern is like linked to this like kind of robot like arm movement that she's doing. It is. She's like my animatronic Neve Campbell.

Yeah. But I love it. And what you're doing, you know, because obviously podcasts aren't a visual medium. But what you're doing is you're sort of like you're shifting your shoulders where you're putting like one shoulder forward and then one shoulder back. And yeah, it's hard to describe. But I do know exactly what you're putting one shoulder forward and then one shoulder back. Yeah, it's hard to describe, but I do know exactly what you're talking about. It is the only impression that I've ever tried to perfect. And I haven't done it in years.

Otherwise, I would attempt. But it's the only thing that I've studied her and watched her. And I just love her. I love all of those things. I love Party of Five. I love The Craft. I love Scream. I love every Scream things like I love party five I love the craft I love scream I love every scream movie yeah the scream movies are amazing the scream tv show by the way is really great too I've like got a couple episodes I watched all of it like in a row um this summer

and I really enjoyed it it's not the same as the movies it's not the same tonally or anything like that but that's different than scream it's really great yes yeah yeah the great thing about scream and and now i'm remembering i realized it wasn't when i saw the blair witch project that my danielle's mom had to take us because i think i was 17 then it was actually scream that she had to take us to and i remember what was so great about scream was drew barrymore was on that she was the biggest face on the poster. Yeah. And so, and she was also the biggest name in the movie. Like Drew Barrymore then,

when did this come out? Like 96? 96. 96. Right in the sweet spot. Huge, huge start at this point. Yeah. And for, again, spoiler alert, but come on, it's been enough time.

It's been 20 years. Drew Barrymore, for her to get killed in essentially the cold open of the movie was like unheard of. And I think what kevin williamson did with that movie is he completely like sort of created this new genre of like the teen horror movie yeah and like and nev campbell in all of those movies she sort of reminds me you know how in ghost demi more is like always kind of like dewy eyed like she could always cry at a

second yeah yeah yeah Nev Campbell is like that for me in every screen movie where I'm like she is literally a syllable away from crying about to cry yeah a little misty eyed yeah but uh yeah that that movie oh god scream and I remember Matthew Lillard like I think that was the first movie I'd ever seen him in. I'll be right back. Yeah. And like, live her alone. Just the acting choices that Matthew Lillard made in that movie. Also, Rose McGowan in that movie.

Yes. It was just so great. Oh, God. I loved her. And it was so weird because that was also my introduction to Rose McGowan. And so I was like, oh, she's a blonde. And then it's the Anna Faris thing where she was in Scary Movie. And I was like, oh, brunette.

No. Now you're blonde forever because that's your natural hair color. Neve Campbell also in Wild Things, which is a very 90s-ass movie. Oh, yeah. Very sensual movie. That was the first movie

where as a girl, you could pause and see a penis. Yeah. That was the first thing that we did like we weren't watching porn when we were like 12 but we did rent wild things and like paused it to like let you see the penis too you know it was such a rare event it's very it's very rare it's very it's still a little rare it's still very rare let the dudes hang some dick you know what i mean they want i'm sure they want to do it. Even on HBO, you don't even get any, you know?

It's very disappointing. Who's that German actor with the great dick? Who's in the... Peter Sarsgaard? No. No. I'm just kidding. Great, like, oh, what's his name?

Fassbender. Michael Fassbender. Yeah. God, of course. I was like, you saw his penis? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great dick. Put Fassbender in some things. I know. Let him hang that dick out there. I know. It's fun for everybody. Just, like, free the penis. Yeah. I was like, you saw his penis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great dick. Put Fastbender in some things.

I know. Let him hang that dick out there. I know. It's fun for everybody. Just like free the penis. Yeah. I don't know. I don't get it.

I don't understand why they don't do it. Yeah, you see boobs in everything. Yeah. Oh, constantly. Constantly. The movie, just the TV show Entourage was just boobs with like a loose plot built around it. That was it.

It was just a boob showcase with like one Hollywood story. Yeah. Put more dicks on your fucking shows, HBO. For real. Dicks are real. I'm sorry. That's my one little tangent in the middle of your Neve Campbell direct.

Yeah. So Neve Campbell, really? Yeah. Not, is she, what's she up to right now? Do we know?

I mean, she's in Scream 4. When I moved here and I lived in Culver City, I was walking to work one day and I was like walking up to a light, which I was going to cross the street. And I remember walking up, walking up. There was nobody on the street. It was early. It was like 8 a.m.

And that's not early, I guess. But it was 8 a.m. Not early. And I see this woman sort of in like a sundress with like just a very light light iridescent like a scarf waiting at the light i'm getting closer i'm getting closer and i'm like that's nev campbell and it was and i got to the light and just stood there and like soaked her in without looking at her because we're the only two people on the corner yeah and then took in her everything and then we both crossed when you know the little man on the sign said cross.

And then I went one way. She went the other. And it was like seeing a Pegasus. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. And she looked amazing. I mean, this was like two years ago. Yeah, she was gorgeous.

I'll tell you what she's up to. House of Cards. She's in House of Cards, it looks like. She's been in 13 episodes of it. Wow. Yeah. I've got to catch up on House of Cards. Good for Nev.

Yeah. I'm like two seasons back. Enter the Nev. I think we're on season four it looks like. Wow. Guys, also she was also on an episode of Kids in the Hall. She was. She was in a sketch.

Well, she's Canadian, right? We've got to get a cool one here. You have a cool comedy show. Yeah. She was in one sketch where it took place in like a restaurant or something and yeah i used to i used to always watch kids in the hall like after school yep from two to three on comedy central yeah yeah i have like seven vhs tapes with just episodes taped and then the dvds came out and i bought those i skipped my i skipped like finals i think my junior year of high school

i left one of them early and like failed a class so i could see them play at the orpheum theater in boston you're a real one yeah yeah i loved kids in the hall i love kids in the hall i still love it yeah i still love it you get to do as a stand-up every now and then you'll get to do shows with them like just like random dudes and you're just like oh it's kevin mcdonald and they could not be nicer that's so good good to hear. They could not be nicer people. Like, so he signed my poster. And then. Kevin McDonald did? Yeah, and then he was like, will you sign my poster? I'm like, you don't have to do this.

Let's not do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to steal your Meltdown poster, but thank you so much for signing mine. Nevcamp, great, great pick. And you also have the first pick of the fourth round. Okay. I just had one that I decided I was going to do,

and now I'm going to vamp for one second while I remember what that was. Vamp it up. I can't quite remember. What did I say I was going to do? I have absolutely no idea. But let's do – oh, I don't know if this is allowed but i think about this a lot um in related in relation to the 90s um it actually came up at work recently i would like to uh propose me drafting the like kind of like 60s resurgence that existed in the

90s oh like you know like peace signs da know, like peace signs, daisies. I personally had a lava lamp always. Yeah, they were back in a big way. Like beaded curtains. Anything that they sold at Spencer's Gifts I had in my bedroom. That 70s show? Yeah, yeah.

Incense. Also, the whole movie Now and Then really added to that because I was like, these songs are great. What are these from? Oh, it's kind of like a 60s thing. Like, cool. I try to tell people how much the movie, and I hope that you don't feel like I'm profiling you, how much the movie Now and Then means to, like, women who are our age.

Yeah. People don't get, like, dudes especially don't get what a huge movie that was for people. It's a coming of age movie about girls. It's a coming-of-age movie about girls. It's Stand By Me Without the Dead Body. Yeah, right. Oh, absolutely. It's, like, the only option we had of that kind of, like – I love that movie, too, by the way.

It's also just a good-ass movie. Yeah. It's incredible. It's great. I loved Gabby Hoffman so much. Yes. I wanted to be her in that movie. Oh, I was Thora Birch.

I was teeny. Yeah. I was Thora Birch um I was teeny yeah I was not a teeny I like was always like jealous of my friends who were teeny like but I and I wasn't quite Christina Ricci's character like I wasn't a tomboy but so that's why like Gabby Hoffman was like that was me yeah she was a little bit more like I'm you know if I go to a psychic I'm gonna believe every single word she he or she says. In seventh grade, me and three of my girlfriends saw that in the movie theater. And we came out of the movie and we were all like just just gabbing about it and talking about like who we were and this and that. And I think like a woman overheard us talking about it.

And I really think she did this just to like be sweet. But she came over and she was like, did you girls happen to see the movie now and then? And we're like, we did. We did. We just got out of it. And she was like did you girls happen to see the movie now and then and we're like we did we did we just got out of it and she's like you just remind me of the four girls and we were like oh my god and it was and i was like it's my birthday and then we saw the movie and but i think she because we were talking like we were loudly yeah talking about this movie and but i still remember and it did it like made my day uh it was so great what a wonderful lady there's a little crown on top of y'all's day. Yeah, that's really nice. That's so sweet.

And then when I lived in Georgia, I went to school in Savannah and I worked at this like honky-tonk restaurant and there was this dude from Georgia named Jameson who was awesome. And we were talking about movies one day and we happened to ring up now and then. He's like, oh, I was in that movie.

And I was like, what? Because they shot the movie in Georgia. Yeah. He was the kid on the fence who tells christina ricci girls can't play baseball and he punches her out oh and i was like oh my god you're like a celebrity and we were both servers at like this shitty like outback steakhouse like restaurant in georgia um yeah shout out to jameson who played the kid that christina ricci kicked the shit out oh my god that's incredible that is incredible but you know like i wonder if i i'm not quite sure if the 60s

resurgence thing like bell bottoms too like which i guess is like 70s ish like all that stuff like happened again to us in the 90s but then also like folded in with like literal just stuff from the 90s yeah and so it just just jinkos with flowers yeah so just created this weird thing in my brain where i wasn't quite sure what was like of my mom's time and what was of my time but it was like just everything yeah well and now and then now with it i mean it's sort of the 20 20 to 30 year old it's like every things from the 90s are coming back now like i will see i'll say kids but adults in their you know mid or early 20s yeah who are wearing the chokers and the baby doll dresses that drew barrymore used to wear and the floral

things and it's it's so it's so weird this it is it's like the sort of 20 to 25 year yeah where the fashion comes back their whole, even let alone fashion, like the presence of like the younger millennials online is so 90s-ish. Yeah. Like the Tumblr core shit is like so, that's just like how things,

that was like cutting edge in the 90s. Right. And they're like, look how shitty this is. I love it. And like that's like their graphic aesthetic

is like very much like 90s. Totally. Totally. You had Woodstock 94. Yeah, that's right. Oh, that's a great example of that. There was a huge fire, right, at Woodstock 94? Yeah, something.

Because they tried to do Woodstock two other times. Yes. And it went poorly both times, I think. Yeah. Yeah, there was a big fire, I think. I remember watching Woodstock 94, watching the coverage of it and stuff. Do you guys want, for a moment, for me to read off some of the people who played Woodstock 94, watching the coverage of it and stuff. Do you guys want for a moment for me to read off

some of the people who played Woodstock 94? Yes. Do you want to take some guesses? It was a big deal, right? It was a big deal. I'm going to say Pearl Jam. Oh, that's a good guess. Pearl Jam did not play.

Damn. Do you want to take a guess? I just want to hear them, I think. So on the North Stage, I'm not going to name everybody, but you had Blues Traveler. Oh, my God. Della Mitri. Oh, roll to me. Roll to me.

Roll to me. The greatest two-minute song. Live. Oh, live. James. Yeah, Ro James. Wow, yeah, yeah. Sheryl Crow.

Sweet. Collective Soul. Yeah. Candlebox and the Violent Femmes. Ooh. Wow. Yeah. Ro James. Yeah. Cheryl Crow. Sweet. Collective Soul. Yeah. Candlebox and the Violent Femmes. Ooh. Wow. Yeah. That's not bad.

That's not bad. On the south stage, there are a bunch of bands that don't even have Wikipedia. Hoffa Moose. Don't know them. Nope. Maybe sounds familiar. Okay. They had Ravestock, which was Apex Twin.

D-Lite Twin D-Lite D-Lite the groove is in the heart yeah wow yeah oh and then on Saturday

Joe Cocker Blind Melon Cypress Hill My Girl and Yours Melissa Etheridge I fucking love Melissa Etheridge oh god Melissa Etheridge

Melissa Etheridge tears it up she's great I love Melissa Etheridge yeah Crosby, Steeles and Nash played Dynage Nails Metallica and Aerosmith Melissa Etheridge tears it up. She's great. I love Melissa Etheridge. Crosby, Steele, and Nash played. Nine Inch Nails, Metallica, and Aerosmith. Damn.

That sounds like the lineup when I saw the WBCN River Rave in the mid, late 90s. Similar lineup? Yeah. Aerosmith and Cypress Hill are definitely there. That could also be Coachella next year. Totally. Absolutely. Got the Cranberries, Salt-N-Pepa.

Oh, the Cranberries. Primus. Primus. Oh, the Country Joe back from the original one. Okay, real quick. Arrested Development, Allman Brothers. I didn't mean to read this many. Spin Doctors, Bob Dylan.

Wow. Spin Doctors. Yeah, Spin Doctors. Has he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize yet? I still know. He won't return their phone calls. By the way. Stop it, Bob Dylan. Stop.

You don't have to buy into your own hype or whatever it is you're doing when you're not. It's the fucking Nobel Prize. Just be gracious. Just take it. Just get it.

Be gracious and take your Nobel Peace Prize. I get what you're doing and it's enough already. I get what you're doing. I get what you're doing and it's enough already. Yeah, the 60s revival. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to what you're doing and it's enough already. Yeah, the 60s revival.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hijack it with Woodstock 94. No. No, that's great. But I know so clearly what you're talking about. Yeah. It was definitely stronger with, I think, girls than it was with boys. I think that's probably true, yeah. Because we didn't really start rocking like the, you know, like bell bottoms and like

these really thin shirts or whatever. Yeah. But it was, it was very pronounced. A lot of flowers, a lot of flowers. Yeah. And just like that, all the, everything at Claire's was like peace, love, something, you know, like. Oh yeah.

Even going back to Clarissa's points, it all felt like it had kind of that aesthetic running through it. Yeah, absolutely. Like to where like, I'm trying to make references to the nineties sometimes and I'll write in like peace signs and stuff. And then it's like, no, that's like sixties 60s i'm like but it's also 90s though yeah well yeah like the peace the peace sign the big flower like the big you know daisy the yin yang like all of those things i had was a daisy yeah and now that we say that i have to amend when i said dudes weren't really into it

because they were it was just like black dudes actually like hip-hop had a really strong 60s revival yeah with like the native tongues movement with like de la soul and tribe and everything Because they were, it was just like black dudes, actually. Like hip hop had a really strong 60s revival. Yeah. With like the native tongues movement with like De La Soul and Tribe and everything. They all dressed like it was the 60s like all over again, too. Yeah. Like a lot of that stuff. So that's cool.

Yeah. Great pick. Yeah. I like know if I had been an adult in the 90s, if I had been like over 18, I definitely would have like a peace sign tattoo or something. Yeah. Yeah. Like I wouldn't have escaped it without that.

My older sister, Jessica, has like a dolphin peace sign tattoo. Yeah, like there's no – I wouldn't have escaped. Amazing. There's no way. All right. Amazing pick. Any further comments on the Sexies revival? Yeah.

Then I will move on to my fourth pick, and i'm going to take the tupac biggie rivalry east coast west coast hip-hop rivalry from the 90s now we already did 90s hip-hop draft so i'm not going to get into the details of the songs or anything like that but it was it was electric it was like right when i was first starting into rap music and like that was like so that was like i'm like well this is just what happens in rap now people die they shoot each other it's gonna be like this so naz soon is gonna get killed by jay-z right right right yeah um and it was it's crazy to just like i mean to get deep in it biggie was murdered here in los angeles if you ever go over the you know the peterson automotive museum oh yeah over there like by the by the Miracle Mile. Yeah.

He was right outside of that. Really? That's where Biggie got killed. Wow. Isn't that great? I don't know where that is. I used to work right there on Wilshire. It's a Fairfax-ish Wilshire area.

Oh, yeah. Fairfax and Wilshire? Okay. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. He was at a party at the Peterson Automotive Museum, drove, like, 15 feet, got stopped at a stoplight, and that's where he was murdered.

Wow. Yeah, so right there. They took him to Cedars and couldn't do it. That is crazy. Yeah. But it produced some amazing music, hit him up. I've always been a Biggie guy because my family's from New York, and I am a fat dude.

And Biggie is like the patron saint of fat dudes he was like well he said himself like fat black and ugly as ever and I can't relate to the black part I don't know if I'm ugly but it was just amazing that level of confidence just to see somebody who was like

I should have actually maybe just taken Biggie because I really I'm not a huge tupac fan i think it's he has a lot of amazing songs but whatever uh yeah biggie just meant so like so much for me like growing him and then i connected the hip-hop strong and the beastie boys who were jewish so i'm like see we can be cool uh like from both of them both like you can be cool fat you can be cool and jewish right can be cool and Jewish. Right. Yeah, but Biggie was like, he was just so dope. Even Hit Em Up was a Tupac song, making fun of Biggie, but that song is so good.

Yeah. Not to be confused with Hit Em Up Style by Blue Crantrell. Right. Hey ladies, if you may want to get buck wild. Yeah. Yeah, not to be confused. It is. Yeah.

I love that song too. Can I ask you, there is a lyric in Hypnotize. Yeah. Where it's just, it's glossed over It seems to be sort of out of nowhere Where Biggie says your daughter's tied up in a Brooklyn basement Yeah, your daughter's tied up in the Brooklyn basement Yeah And then we just move on?

No, that's in the middle of how he got out of a trial That's what, it didn't really happen He's at my arraignment, note for the plaintiff Your daughter's locked up in a Brooklyn basement. Oh. Which means do not testify against me. Otherwise, we'll kill your daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. All right. So it's a threat in the song. It's a threat in the song. All right. It's not an over threat. It's like explaining how we got out of this legal jam.

It's like, yeah, at my arraignment note for the plane if your dad is tied up in the brooklyn base i've always like it's one of those things where the song will be on and it's sort of like i'm listening to the lyrics yeah i'm listening to the lyrics and then you know sort of like in the background not really paying attention to maybe what they mean and then that line always just jumps out to me it does get. Your daughter's locked up at a Brooklyn basement. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Oh, oh, wait.

Sorry. Go back. Put your drink down for a second. Like, what am I dancing to? Yeah. Well, again, it just goes back to like the school dances where, you know, we'd be listening to like, you know, Coolio's Gangster's Paradise. And again, like a bunch of like white suburban 12

year old kids in a shitty public school in massachusetts like dancing around singing these songs at the top of our lungs like i don't know what a like like i'm trying to remember the lyrics like you're like oh loked out gangsta bad trip. I just like. Loked out gangsta set tripping banger. Loked out banger set tripping gangster. Yeah. And my homies is down, so don't arouse my anger. Yeah. We'll murder you.

12-year-old kids singing this, going like, Michelle Pfeiffer is so cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She sat the chair backwards. Yes, which, as you all know, that's what the cool teachers do. That's the coolest way to sit in a chair. Yeah, so I'm gonna say the East Coast-West Coast rivalry, but I really mean Viggy. I really love Viggy

so much. The West Coast was cool. I mean, there was amazing shit coming out of it. There was that moment, and I think it was the Source Awards, when Suge Knight went up, or Suge Knight and Snoop Dogg. snoop dogg went up to accept an award and he was like talking he was throwing shade hard like uh if all right was it who yeah i think it was obvious jesus i'm really blowing this uh but he was like if you don't want your

producers dancing in the videos he's just talking about puff daddy uh you know come to death row records and like everyone he's talking shit about is also with the award show. It's like his fights would break out in the back of it. It was just a very kinetic, raw time as like hip hop was struggling to go from like the gangster rap that they had sold like in the early 90s

to this very glossy commercial sort of Jay-Z thing that it got to like in the later 90s. It was like this weird Growing Pains era where it was like, oh, that got out of hand. People actually died. Some of our best people actually, and it was like, let's let this shit be fake from now on. So the later half is like Nas and Jay-Z.

We were like just, they didn't like each other, but it was still like kind of for show. Sure, yeah. Like the WWF. Yeah. I'm sorry, WWE. the world wildlife fund yeah yeah i remember i was a post producer in new york for a while and i remember them being like so we're doing this thing for free it's uh you know it's for the wwf and i was like wait they have money

why are we and they're like no no the world wildlife oh okay that makes sense uh amazing so what else makes sense i hope hope, is your fourth pick. What a transition. What a great transition. What a transition. Carrie, it is now on you. It's your fourth pick. And it's so funny because Aaron and I have a lot of the same sensibilities and interests

in the 90s. So I just want to apologize if there are people out there who are like, you know, like people who are like, wow, this is very, like a lot of our stuff falls into the same category. Other stuff happened. Apologize. I know. People are like, yeah, I feel like there a lot of our stuff falls into the same category. Other stuff happened. Apologize. I know. People are like – yeah, I feel like there are definitely things that we're – I mean, the 90s was – there's so much that was going on. Apologize to the people to whom we are giving free entertainment.

Great. I'm sorry. No, thank you for listening. I'm just joking. We love you. Because my first one was so specific – because, again, I threw the first one out there. I guess I was setting my own bar, and I didn't realize maybe we could go a little bit like more broad or wider so I'm gonna go sort of like Aaron did with the 60s and say the sort of 90s alternative rock

chick bands like I want to go and because we're going you and I are going to see Letters to Cleo tonight, like Letters to Cleo, Veruca Salt, Hole, PJ Harvey, Kay's Choice, Moonpools and Caterpillars, all of those bands. I remember when I was like, you know, 13, 14, listening to 95.5 WBRU on the radio and even like Liz Phair back then. This was before Liz Phair crossed. It was like more of like sort of, I don't want to say a pop singer but was more mainstream but like I loved these bands and they were all like even like later on with Fiona Apple like her criminal music video oh man she was so cool but those so cool those bands like the song Not an Addict by Kay's Choice I don't know if anybody knows that song out there but it is it's like there's something about those bands that when I would listen to them as a young teenager, just felt very empowering. And the women in the music videos, even when No Doubt first came out,

like the Just a Girl music video, which was a little bit later, of like these powerful women owning being center stage and they played guitar and they were sweaty and they didn't give a shit. And they, it was just like there's something raw and real and just really nice about it and the music is it's like i just have this one playlist with all of these bands and songs and it's so weird too because a lot of them went on to be like you know the band in a movie that i love liketers to Cleo is the 10 things I hate about you those were dudes but like in Clueless yeah yeah the Donnas were in Drive Me Crazy

and Moonpools and Caterpillars were in Wish Upon a Star that Catherine Heigl Disney movie oh wow but yeah it's and yeah so there's something about them too also just like being the school band yeah would this extend to stuff like I mean like Slater Canyon like Bikini Kill and stuff like that too yeah Bikini Kill I didn't discover Slater Canyon, like Bikini Kill yeah Bikini Kill, I didn't discover Slater Canyon

until years later when I was like watching Portlandia and I was like oh wait who's this Carrie Bransky character Carrie Bransky is pretty cool but yeah they would you know and I'm sure I'm missing some but you know like just even yeah I remember when Violet by Hole

listening to that on the radio I'm just like screaming along to it that song's incredible it's pretty good it must be nice and this is not pining to be oppressed but like to hear empowering music

when you're in a state where you really do need to be empowered because when I hear empowering music it's just like go out there and you know be the person you feel like music, it's just like, go out there and, you know, be the person you feel like you should or whatever. It's just like this real low-key empowering thing.

But when you're like, when society has their like fucking boot on your neck, you know what I mean? How much more satisfying must that empowering music be? Yeah. Just like that.

Singing along to it is so much more emotional. Yeah. You feel it more than anything. Yeah. Now I'm really excited to go to Letters to Cleo. That's going to be great. By the way, yeah yeah you guys are going to literally a letters to cleo

i know this our initial email i was like it was we were just emailing about details of the show and and it was just i happened to need to talk to aaron so i just kept it on all the female chain happy to be there and i was like so cool aaron we'll do the podcast and then we'll go to letters to cleo. I'll probably wear my Halloween costume, which is Liv Tyler's blue sweater and plaid

skirt and combat boots from Empire Records. And I was like, that's the most 90s thing. I was just like, okay, perfect. This is going to be

a good episode. And even, and I was going to choose this, I'm going to lump it in the Empire Records thing. And technically, Renee Zellweger did sing with Coyote Shivers Sugar High on the roof at the end of the movie. But like there was something about that. This idea of like being in like an alt rock chick band that I just like wanted so badly to be a part of that and to, you know, it was so cool.

I I've realized now i'm sort of holding it i'm an adult i don't know if i'll ever be in a band but if i do um i always like will tweet every once in a while i come up with like band names that i could potentially have yeah and they're all of course they're always centered around the 90s but one um is kimmy and the gibblers yep and the other one which i literally just tweeted it two days ago, I kind of want to form a band called Buzz's Girlfriend Wolf. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, I know I saw that tweet. What is that a reference to? From Home Alone. Oh, God. Remember he sees the frame photo? Woof. Buzz's Girlfriend Wolf. Woof.

Oh, that's right. And then that's actually just a boy in a wig because they didn't want to be mean to a girl, which I thought was very sweet. Which I think is nice. Because look at Heather's. Martha Dump Truck, they were like, girl, we're casting you. Deal with it.

Totally. Here you go. Well, that's an amazing pick. And I think there is a bit of a line between those and Slater, Kenny, and Bikini Kill. Because those were so more like it felt like so much louder and more punk and a little less accessible and the ones you are

talking about also had a little bit of a pop aesthetic to it. I mean, Letters to Cleo, yes, Moonpools and Caterpillars, yes.

I mean, you know, Hole was more grunge. PJ Harvey was a little bit more like grunge. Remember that like creepy ass like

Little Fish, Big Fish in the water? Come back here and give him my daughter. Like that like creepy ass, like little fish, big fish in the water. Come back here and give him my daughter. Like so creepy. Same with Kay's Choice. They were a little bit more like grunge, just slightly.

But yeah, I mean, Letters to Cleo. And again, we were talking about them. I think when we first got here, you know, like one of their biggest hits was a Cheap Trick cover. Yes, Cheap Trick. I want you to want me. And, you know, Cruel to be Kind.

But they had this one song called Here and Now, which I really hope they played at the show tonight, where, and maybe this is also why I love the TLC rap, because I,

as a child, was often, I get excited very easily, so I will talk very quickly. And so, I've sort of mastered the art of speed talking, so I always enjoyed

being able to learn the lyrics of, like, a rap song, just so I sort of mastered the art of speed talking. So I always enjoyed being able to learn the lyrics of like a rap song. Yeah. So I could be like, look how fast I can talk. Totally. And so that's why, like when I got the crazy, sexy, cool album, I memorized the rap. And with TLC and with Letters to Cleo, they have this song here and now, which I would do it at karaoke anytime they had it. But there's this one part where she sings so fast. She says the comfort of the knowledge of the rise above the sky

but could never parallel the challenge of an acquisition. Oh my God. And it was like, for me, the coolest thing to hear on the radio and to, at the time, you know,

when you like write the lyrics to a song down and you get them completely wrong to do that and say the wrong ones. Jason Waterfalls. Yeah. But yeah, I just,

I'm so excited to see Letters to Cleo. That was that blues traveler in like Hook. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right., I'm so excited to see Letters to Cleo. That was that blues traveler in like Hook. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Do you still know the... Suck it in, suck it in, suck it in. If you're entertained, ramble in. Make a spin, move or else you win.

And then begin to see what you're doing to me. This MTV is not for free. And it's so soft-ass thing to do. Of love. To Ross who ran and hid and hid and feared itself. But I can't keep these feelings on the shelf. I tried, but know that I lied.

It'd be a financial suicide and I've got too much pride inside to hide. Let it ride. I'll do it on the side. I may be getting somewhere else. Hip three minute ditties.

I'm going to burst all of your balloons. I'm going to burn all your cities to the ground. I fan. And then he starts singing again. Some of it.

There's pieces missing. Good job. There's enough of the rosetta stone to learn egyptian you know what i mean that's by the way how i feel about um it's the end of the world as we know it that was i declared that to be my favorite song when i was a child and i just would learn every single thing and just every single lyric and just do it yeah you still have every word i feel like if someone has every word now, they're a little psycho.

I don't have every word now and I don't have it like off the top of my head right in this moment. I have the wrong version because I did the thing where I wrote down, I would listen to it, write it down, rewind, listen to it, write down the next lyric, rewind. I did that and I did it with I Wish by Ski-Lo.

I got so many of them wrong, but yeah with R.E.M. I know it, but I know all the wrong lyrics. Did you get Leosha though? did it with i wish by skilo yes totally i got so many of them wrong but yeah i with rem i so i i know it but i know all the wrong totally yeah yeah did you get leo she though did i get what from uh skilo song leo she oh yeah she don't know me but she's really fly yeah of course yeah um yeah and and i i did a 90s game show um and it was super fun it was a live show we did it um the nerdist showroom and i was like we were putting together a live show. We did it, the Nerdist showroom and I was like, we were putting together

the game show questions and one of them was a lyric to Ski Lows I Wish and my boyfriend was arguing with me. He's like, nobody's going to know

that lyric and I was like, everybody's going to know it and not a single person knew it. What was that? Do you remember? It was the one where

it goes, the one that they had to guess was, I got an A track and the spare tire in the back seat but that's flat and he was like nobody's gonna nobody's gonna remember that and so we actually uh at another time that we did it did the um just did the chorus because i was like oh that's super easy doesn't that rhyme with so how could i compete with that isn't that where that goes into uh my guy a track and a spare tire in the back seat but that's flat but you don't

know it's really waxy i can't even get a date switch. What do you think of that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then we did it another time with a chorus, and somebody couldn't even get 6'4 Impala. So I was like, I can't make it up. I don't want that. I was like, I can do the chorus. Yeah, right?

Yeah. I didn't know what 6'4 Impala meant. I do now, but. 6'4 Impala. Like the beautiful animal from the African plains. Amazing pick. 90s alt-rock chick bands. Now, Carrie, it's also time for the first pick of the fifth round.

Oh, man, I keep forgetting this is happening. And your final pick. Okay, I'm not going to think too hard about... This is... I'm trying to cover a lot of stuff here, but I'm going to go with something I feel very strongly about, which is the sexy alter ego of Steve Urkel, Stefan Urkel. Oh, that's a good one. Beautiful thing.

Stefan Urkel. I don't know if you guys remember the episode, the first episode where we're introduced to Stefan Urkel. the first episode where we're introduced to Stefan Urkel. But Steve Urkel, you know, from Family Matters, Jaleel White, he's been so nerdy. And I forget which season Stefan Urkel was introduced, but it was definitely by the time we hit the 90s. Yeah. And the thing, the cool thing about seeing Steve Urkel as Stefan Urkel

was that in the time before social media and, social media and where we could sort of track celebrities, I had never seen Steve Urkel outside of Steve Urkel. I'd never seen Jaleel White, like be Jaleel White. I had only- Who was a handsome dude. Very handsome. Very handsome. Very handsome.

And so it was so fascinating to me. I feel like I was getting like a behind the scenes glimpse, like I was walking on to like the set of a TV show. And oh, look at this is where, you know, the boundaries end and everything where. And I remember it was I think it was in this episode, because as you know, Family Matters fans know, like years later, I mean, throughout the series, he would go back and forth between Steve and Stefan. And even when the show took a trip to Disney World or Disneyland, Disney World, I think he proposed as Stefan, he proposed to Laura in the Magic Kingdom.

But he, as Steve, like took a potion and like sort of was like not he was, you know, like flailing around the room and he fell down behind the couch. And when he stood up, suddenly he'd sort of like lost that strange posture. And he suddenly had this cool dude posture. And the first time he popped up, and I don't even know if it was before he opened his mouth, but the audience screamed. The people in the audience like that, that excited scream, like when you would see Zach and Kelly kiss on Safe by the Bell which people didn't kiss often on that show but when they did there was a scream it was and and I actually had Jaleel White as a guest on when I did my Geeking Out show and he said that they actually had to shoot it twice because the audience screamed for so long oh that they just had to do it again and they were just like just don't scream as long this time and he just was so cool and suave and um i mean the character of

steve urkel in and of itself is he's amazing but yes the fact that i think this tv show knew that this was an actor who was like getting a little bit older and they wanted to be able to capitalize on the fact that he was also a good looking guy guy. And he was, I mean, he was like, you know, meant to be just a guest star on that show. And by the later years, it was like the Steve Urkel show. It was only him. His face was the biggest one on those promos. So it was interesting.

Like, I'd never seen anything like it before on TV where, you know, you sort of get this, like someone who's sort of allowed to be themselves or just like a more attractive version of... I don't know. was so i'm saying stephane or kill it's also such an interesting thing because it's like the shift of that show being like a very straightforward families that come to having this whole other world where you're like oh this is allowed like time travel he went into space he had an orangutan for a friend. He had a robot, a ventriloquist dummy of Steve Urkel. They were shrunk down at some point, him and Carl.

Yeah. Yeah, that show got very magical. It got really strange. They did a thing that I feel like sitcoms never do anymore. Maybe because they're not given enough time to where it just was like fucking went insane. Yeah. I guess two and a half men got there a little bit towards the very end of it, but not that crazy. Yeah. I mean, Roseanne.

Oh, Roseanne, too. We're going to completely flip the premise of this show on its head by making the Connor family win the lottery. Right, right, right. And then I feel like they tried to buy it back in the finale by being like, it was all a dream. Actually, Dan's dead. Life is depressing. And Felicity, too, which started in the 90s but ended in the 2000s uh went crazy the last season like there's time travel involved there's this whole thing

yeah it gets really crazy it's jj abrams you have to remember so like right that's there's there's shades of lost i have this whole conspiracy theory where you can like track all of jj abrams like body of work through it's all part of the same universe. Yeah, because there's so many references to Star Wars in Felicity. And then like there's an episode that definitely like is very lost. Yeah. Adjacent and stuff. It's very interesting. I always love those like worlds where like all the Bredy Sinellas characters are in the

same world. Yeah. Like Stephen King. Yep. The Adam Sandler verse. Yeah. Oh my God. That's real.

That thing is great. All the Adam Sandler movies happen in the same my God. That's real. That thing is great. All the Adam Sandler movies happen in the same universe and there's like reference. If Sean O'Connor is his, like him and this guy, Eloy and Allie,

they're apparently all just in the same universe. They figured it out. There's like references to other movies in the movies. Anyway, Stefan or Kel.

Amazing pick. Amazing pick. Just great. Very important. He's like the spokesman of the 90s. He is. And good for, anyway Stefan Urkel amazing pick amazing pick just great very important um I will now make he's like the spokesman of the 90s he is Stefan

and good for fucking Jaleel White it's sad that he's kind of sitting on the shelf because he was clearly a talented comedic actor who's also this gorgeous dude

totally I mean he's I mean he's worked he had a really funny web series for a while where he played a sort of former child actor who was like giving acting classes and acting advice but he was like. He had a really funny web series for a while where he played a sort of former child actor

who was like giving acting classes and acting advice. But he was like sort of like a sketchy, terrible person. It was really funny. And, you know, he was on Dancing with the Stars. And he hosted a show that was kind of like Fear Factor, but in the dark on the SyFy channel. Oh, yeah. You know, he's and he will be on an episode of Hollywood Darlings as well. Oh, dope.

I don't think we've seen the last of him. No, I don't think so either. We're about to see the last of me, though, because it's time for me to make my final pick. Smooth. So smooth. I'm going to write a segue home. I liked it. All right. So with my final pick, I'm going to select Goldeneye for the Nintendo 64.

Yes. Which was- Interesting. 1997. The movie came out in 95. The video game didn't come out until 1997. And it changed everything, I think, both for me and for video games in general. Because it was kind of the first multiplayer shooter where you like-

Yep. And it was everything. It was every sleepover it was every birthday party it was just getting like geeked out on Mountain Dew eating pizza and just playing like

and you couldn't be our job because he was too short and if he ducked it wasn't fair so you all so we would just play that's all we would do until like three in the morning

and then just like pass out after the sugar wore off and then you'd wake up and play it a little bit again in the morning and then go home pass out after the sugar wore off and then you'd wake up and play it a little bit again in the morning and then go home. But it changed everything. I remember when it first came out

my older brother who's 9 years older than me and he wasn't living at home but he came he was like bro I got an N64 and this game Goldeneye. I was like

oh okay whatever let's check it out. And he plugged it in to the TV and he let me play it but only for like half an hour. Just enough.

Just enough to get me like completely hooked. And he's like, all right, I got to run. And I'm like, will you leave the video game system? And he was like, no, I'm not going to leave the video game system. I just bought over here. And like he left and it was like I was going through heroin withdrawals. It was just like so hard to not play. Were you guys playing multiplayer or were you actually like playing the game?

We played the single player game which was also good. Yeah, it was really good. Which was also super good. There were like really fun levels in there and really hard. I remember like the monument park,

that Russian like monument park that you go through. Is that the one that's outdoors with the snow? Outdoor, no, it's outdoors at night and like there's all these statues around.

I don't remember that one. I just remember being, I remember the bunker. Yes. I remember the bunker because that one was just remember being – I remember the bunker. Yes. I remember the bunker because that one was – And that was a great multiplayer too. Yeah, that was really great for multiplayer. I'm with you.

It was weird. I had the game but I had never seen the movie. So for me it was – the game was the only reference point I had. The game was so much better than the movie. It's so funny that you say nobody could be odd job because, yeah, if you ducked down, you were super short. You guys had that rule too? We had the same exact rule. It became national. Yeah. it was me and my sister she was two years older than me and

i don't know if we bought the game or if our mom bought like our parents bought it for us and we were just like oh cool but yeah i i remember it was like it was like the it was like the sort of more slightly grown-up version of mario kart yeah yeah you know yeah it was the multiplayer game and you know yeah you like go through like the different weapons and oh yeah proximity mines yes you could play golden guns where it was one shot kills yeah oh the golden gun yeah yeah um yeah it was it was so fun i i i want to play it now it's been a long time since i've played it i've played it recently it's still good good. It holds up. I mean, the graphics are crazy, but it's still really fun. It's, I mean, if you were to rank all the video games I've ever played in terms of how much fun I had, that's got to be right at the top.

Yeah. And for so long, that was like the GOAT game for three years in a row. You know what I mean? People kept putting out games. They put out like Goldeneye Killers, like Perfect Dark that were like supposed to be better. And everyone was like, nah, get out of here with that shit. Like one weird kid would be like, you don't play Perfect Dark?

It's like, shut up, Kyle. You know? And nobody does. So yeah, Goldeneye. I couldn't, I mean, I couldn't. In the fifth round, I can't leave Goldeneye on the bench. I mean, I'm going to tell you I've never played it. Yeah.

I played a lot of Sonic the Hedgehog. I had Sega. I still have my Sega Genesis. You were a Sega person. And I was a Sega kid, yeah. My brother got into Nintendo and stuff, but it was like years after. But I loved Sonic the Hedgehog.

Loved Sega. Also, Jaleel White, voice of Sonic the Hedgehog. Really? Wow. I did not know that. Small world. I used to love that cartoon.

That cartoon was great. Sonic was a fucking super great game. I did not know that. Small world. I used to love that cartoon. That cartoon was great. Sonic was a fucking super fun game. I preferred Sonic to Mario, but I prefer GoldenEye to Sonic. Love Sonic. Yeah. Yeah, I just never played GoldenEye. Grabbing ranks. Now Sonic's like a weird Twitter thing now.

Yeah. Weird Twitters in there. It is a weird Twitter thing, yeah. Comedy and weird Twitter. I still play Sonic 2 sometimes. Do you really? Yeah. I have my Sega Genesis hooked up that I got for Christmas in 1992.

That's not surprising to me. So I've played it as recently as two weeks ago. Yeah. Fantastic. So you're a Sonic head. Yeah. It's a super fun game. Tails is a weird character.

I love Tails. Two Tails. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. Early pioneer of the disabled. No. Trying to make everything very woke. Okay. that's my pick gold and i uh man the night we've been here for so long but it's the

nine it's a whole decade uh a whole decade aaron mallory long you need to bring this ship into port and make your final pick this is so hard because i'm really hard i'm looking at my list and i have left so many things that are deeply, deeply, deeply important to me. I haven't even got me. I haven't even really get into the things like I wanted to try to say with pop culture, but things like recording songs off the radio. You know what I mean? Totally. Like AOL chat rooms.

Totally. Y2K, guys. Yeah. Exactly. Big dog t-shirt. No, okay. Go ahead. Yeah.

I'm going to. God, this is really tough. um i'm gonna god this is really tough this is really hard this is really tough i'm gonna pick the cd boys to men too okay uh it's the first cd i ever bought with my own money um with like i like saved up i got it in like fifth grade i saved up like my allowance and then like went to like media play to like buy the album has like a giant roman numeral two on the front it's like blue i'm familiar um it's what unbended knee is on there um uh i'll make love to you all the greatest ones um and like r&b in particular like any r&b was like the only music I listened to in like late elementary school. It was strong.

It was a strong era. Yeah. It was just really, it was like Mariah Carey, like Boyz II Men, like Soul For Real. Oh God, Soul For Real. 3LW I think was in that range. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And TLC was in R&B. All of that.

Oh God, all for one. All for one. Yeah. All of them. Oh, God. All for one. All for one. Do you remember when Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men did the most beautiful duet, One Sweet Day?

Which, if you've ever had a friend die in high school, is a real bummer of a song to listen to. I bet. That video is great. It's like them recording the song. Yeah. Oh, I love those videos. It's like them, like, cash, and it's them recording the song yeah so it's like them like cash and it's them recording the song i will say recently at karaoke we put on one sweet day like in a private room luckily and i took it upon myself to sing the mariah part wow that's ambition what happened i'm not gonna

say i'm not gonna say that it didn't go well but i'm also not gonna say that it went well but it's like i could do it like i i can i can physically do it but then i am dead did you collapse to the ground yeah like then i'm like then i have expired and like i have no energy leaving the stage yeah two people like sort of put a cape over you yeah exactly like mariah carey i'm from schenectady new york originally and mariah carey's video for hero was shot on shot on a concert on the stage of Proctor's Theater, which is in Schenectady. Mariah Carey was the patron saint of all of the girls that I grew up with.

Yeah. So we loved Boyz II Men. We loved Mariah Carey. They did a song together. It changed everything for us. It was amazing. It was the greatest thing that ever happened that united your world yeah we um we in fifth grade i actually was part of an

an all-girl lip-sync performance of unbended me wow we wore like matt like we all wore like i want to say bike shorts i'm pretty sure bike. And then like a solid color t-shirt. But I had like a solid color like mustard yellow like oversized t-shirt and also mustard yellow sneakers. Oh, yeah. So I had like, it was like very matchy. Like I was really into that in elementary school. And we like lip synced to the whole song. And I was doing the part right after, I don don't remember their names the guy who has the deepest

voice wanya no not wanya sings his part it was the guy if you if you show me like the base all of their what if i tell you all their names will you not i i i think so yeah it's not he had facial hair i know who you're talking about yeah i can picture him, but I don't know what his name is. But I, I ended up like being the one, like in the front of the stage, like when that happened, it happened.

We hadn't planned. No, it wasn't Sean. Nathan Morris. It might've been Nathan. Who else? Mark Nelson. Michael McCary.

It wasn't Sean. And it wasn't Wanya. And it wasn't Wanya. Definitely wasn't Wanya. I wanted it to be Wanya. It might be Sean. And it wasn't Wanya. And it wasn't Wanya. It definitely wasn't Wanya. I wanted it to be Wanya. It might be Sean. But I'm also not looking at photos. We're never going to find the answer.

I know. Oh, wait. You need to see the photos? Yeah. Well, continue with your story. No, that wasn't. It was just like we hadn't planned for it. And so it just ended up being this very uncomfortable thing where I am a 10-year-old girl.

And so it just ended up being this like very uncomfortable thing where like I am a 10 year old girl and I weighed like 60 pounds and I was like at the front of the stage in our like cafeteria slash gym at the school talent show. And like that deep voice is like booming. And we like hadn't planned for someone to lip sync this. And I was like and just like stared out into the crowd and then like waited for my part to come and then like lip synced like my part yeah there's also really something really funny about like the art of the lip sync in so much as like like with a show like lip sync battle it's you have to put so many theatrical elements around it like cool dance moves and costumes and props. Because otherwise, you're like, at the heart of the lip sync, it is a, I don't want to say talentless skill.

Because people can do it poorly. Oh, yeah. Sure. Very poorly. But it's such like a, it's such a skill. It's a skill that is just so unimpressive on its own that it takes either, you know, a song that might be really hard to lip sync to. But, yeah, like people used to we used to have like lip sync. Yeah.

Like battles. Yeah. At our school. And it's like when you actually get down to it, what it is, is a bunch of kids in an auditorium. Like I remember somebody doing like was it Debbie Gibson who sang Electric Youth? But I remember huge auditorium. The sound is like not great. It's very echoey.

So what you actually hear more of are like the kids uncomfortably adjusting, you know, in the seats and like the teachers like coughing. But you sort of have these quiet echo And like the teachers are like coughing. But you sort of have this quiet echoey song in this giant auditorium. Like the volume is always a little too low. And the kids on stage, you can like hear the spittle in their mouths as they're lip syncing. And you're like, what are we doing? Talent quotes show. Yeah.

So interesting. I'll make love to you though another one of those songs where you know 13 14 years old we're in a basement having a halloween party slow dancing to 13 14 year old kids like singing i'll make love to you yeah i danced at the first prom i ever went to sophomore year of high school they played it and it was like prom as a sophomore? I did. Holy shit. My boyfriend was a senior. Whoa. God, Erin. And so I went to three proms. They played it. And it was, like, obviously well after the song came out, like, as, like, a throwback or whatever.

But they played I'll Make Love to You. And then, like, we were slow dancing to it. And I was like, this is the most sexual experience I've ever had in my life. Am I pregnant? Oh, my God. Because just, like, when I was a kid just listening to that song made me blush.

Like I was like I can't handle this. It was a sexy song. You're not listening to that in the car with your dad. No, no, no, no. Amazing pick. Boyz II Men 2.

Classic album. Getting away from the Mujak Swing a little bit and doing a lot more just a lot more, just a lot more just saying, just one for the ladies, that one. Yeah, yeah.

That wraps it up. That concludes the All Fantasy Everything 90s draft. Just to go over what the picks were again, very quickly. Carrie Doherty, you led us off with Lisa Left Eye Lopez's rap in Chasing Waterfalls. And then you went to Blair Witch Project, and then SNCC,

specifically the original SNCC, but we're giving you all a SNCC. 90s alt-rock chick bands, and then Stefan Urkel. Amazing. What were you getting? Amazing list. I went with OJ Trial No. 1, and then the 92 Dream Team Olympic Basketball

Team, and then Seinfeld, the Biggie, Tupac, East Coast, West Coast, Rap Beef, and then Goldeneye. Erin Mallory Long, you started off with the Rachel haircut, and then it went with a little show called The Simpsons, and then Nev Campbell, the 60s revival, the sort of hippie revival that took place in the 90s, and then Boyz II Men 2. Fantastic. What a great decade. I feel good about it. Pick your shit up, the 2010s and then boys to men too fantastic what a great decade i feel

good about it pick your shit up the 2010s it was really hard though there's a lot there's a lot left on my phone that i i was thinking of going tanya harding nancy kerrigan totally that was like uh we maybe we need some more of these like big events in the 90s that was deeply important presidency teenage mutant ninja turtles oh yeah Oh, yeah. The real world. Rap metal, real world. Pogs. God, I love real world. Pogs, I know.

We talked about Pogs, but Pogs. Oh, I had a whole category of toys and snacks. Yeah. Yeah, same, like Tamagotchi. Yeah. The Scholastic Book Fair. Oh, the book fairs. Butt scooters in gym class.

Oh, butt scooters. Oh, I remember butt scooters. The giant rainbow parachute in gym class. Yeah, what is that thing? What is that? Why do they do that? Do they still do that in gym class. Oh, butt scooters. Oh, I remember butt scooters. The giant rainbow parachute in gym class. Yeah, what is that thing? What is that? Why do they do that? Do they still do that in gym class? I hope so.

I really want to know. I think they do. My nephew's six. I think they did it in gym class. Gym class can't have changed that much. It's not like they're in there like. That wasn't gym. No.

Like, you just sit and you're holding a parachute and then you like put it around yourself. That day the gym was J-I-M. It was just like some guy who had the idea of a good time. Everybody put on pennies. We don't wash them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They never wash the pennies. No.

Oh, my God. I want to thank both of you so much for being on the podcast. I had so much fun. Thank you so much. This was so great. You guys were amazing. Make sure you check out the stuff online. What is it?

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