All Fantasy Everything - TV Shows That Never Won an Emmy (w/ Sean O'Connor and Nate Fernald)

Episode Date: December 15, 2016

Host Ian Karmel gets together with comedians (and TV writers) Sean O'Connor and Nate Fernald to draft the best overlooked and under appreciated shows that never won an Emmy. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. Let's keep all this in. Every podcast studio has headphones in them, and you never need to wear them. Wait, we don't need them? You don't need them. I've been wearing headphones this whole time on all these podcasts. Just getting hot ears. You get hot ears, and you find out how girly your voice is. Yeah.

I hate hearing my own voice. I've been listening to myself for an hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah, I hate hearing my own voice. Yeah, I've been listening to myself for an hour and a half. Yeah, I have this, I don't even like listening to this podcast because of how girly my voice is. Wait, wait, but podcasts do need the penis clamps, right? Yeah, the penis clamps are standard on every podcast. Okay, get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Otherwise, your penis could go all willy-nilly all over the place.

Yeah, mine makes that weird, like, Your penis sounds like one of those weird other creatures in a Hanna-Barbera cartoon. Yeah. There's like a dog toy that if you throw, it makes this, like, wobbling noise. That's exactly what my penis sounds like. Mine sounds like, remember when those Nerf footballs that would make that whistle sound? Yeah. Mine makes that, yeah, that sort of teak of a whistle sound.

See, mine's silent, but whenever they say my credits, I jizz on the microphone. Oh, I did that. Speaking of credits, we have a couple of highly credentialed comedians here with us today. To do this draft, we have Nate Fernald. Hello. Why do I say your name like that? Nate Fernald. A lot of people do, and sometimes I tell them to because when I say Fernald,

people can't phonetically understand what I said. And that's where it goes off the rails. Fernald is fun because it sounds like it has no vowels in it. Fernald is a virgin. Fernald is also a virgin. But like, Fernald is... He's getting so close.

He's so close. Fernald went on an actual date. But he came in once dinner came. Fernald's thought about sexting. You typed out the first couple words of it and then erased it.

She was like, it looked like you were sending a text. You're like, no, no. Actually, I'm not interested. You were the CEO of hornyteas.biz? That's correct. CEO of hornyteas.biz, home of the horniest t-shirts on the net. Fun fact about hornyteas.biz, our number one customer, Ian Carmel. I love a horny tea.

Oh, wait. How many has Ian ordered? He's bought a tea and a mug. I got a tea and a mug Ian Carmel. I love a horny tea. Oh, wait. How many has Ian ordered? He's bought a tea and a mug. I got a tea and a mug. All right, I only have a tea. Yeah, you got to get a mug, too. I got to get a mug. I love my horny mug.

It says, don't talk to me until I'm horny on it. Oh, that's good. Yeah. That's a great mug. I ordered the innocent till proven horny, which was the rapiest. I know. It wasn't until I saw it on Sean that I realized how...

Oh, well, that's also my body type. Yeah. You do have skulking in the shadows in the body type, so... Barely concealed by a bush body type. A shadowy mess. Yeah, when you go to get like fitted for a suit when i ask your size you say shadowy human inkblot um i'm also waiting on my mambo number horny t-shirt i think it must have arrived at my house

i have some boxes i need to open right Right? I think it should be there. Yeah. It's just going to be screeners and Mambo No. 40. Mambo No. 40. I hope screeners. It'll probably be a script. I wonder if people want to hear us complain. When you're in the Writers Guild or in any guild, in a showbiz guild, you get sent screeners around Emmy time and award season. Not Emmy time.

Oscar and WGA and SAG award time. Or they're movies. Some of them are still in theaters, but every now and then if you're in the Writers Guild, you also get sent a script and it's such a bummer. I know. It is. Yeah. You're like, oh, yes, the girl on the train. I'm gonna sink my teeth into this. Yeah. And then you're like,

oh, it's the screenplay. I always like, I'll be talking to my friends, I'm like, hey guys, we just got the screenplay for Arrival if anyone wants to do a reading to it. Is there anyone in the Writers Guild who sits around and is like, time to really get into the Arrival screenplay? Guarantee there. There have to be. I think that's a brilliant idea, though.

What you just said is getting a bunch of Writers Guild members around and doing a live reading of Arrival. We should do that. It'll be five hours at UCB Sunset. Nate, you're also a wonderful stand-up comedian. Your half hour appeared on Comedy Central last summer. He came, and it was great.

You are also I want to point people towards Weak Music. Where can they find that? NateFernald point people towards Weak Music. Yep. Where can they find that? NateFernald.com slash Weak Music. Oh, yeah. W-E-E-K. Go to that. It's a really fun music project.

I'm not going to tell you, I just want to, if you ever do anything I recommend, check out Weak Music. Yeah, if you like girl talk, you'll love Boy Talk. Yeah. It's a mashup album, and it's, i don't think there needs to be any more mash-up albums after i made this one this is sort of the craning achievement yeah anything else would be a pathetic mimicry yeah what you just did yeah yeah uh on twitter at

at nate fernald right fernald fernald fernald actually f Fernald. Why don't we... F-E-R-N... Still a virgin on Twitter. Old. ALD. Yeah, and then do you have an Instagram account you want to shout out? I have an Instagram account. I don't use it hardly ever, but if you are looking to check me out on it, it's at DiarrheaPubes. Yeah. One word.

Nice. That seemed like a setup, but it wasn't a setup. No, that's just diarrhea pubes. Oh, you weren't setting me up to say diarrhea pubes? No, I didn't know it was diarrhea pubes. Yeah, well, it's diarrhea pubes. One word. And what is it?

Mostly pictures of? Records I buy and dogs I see. Nice. And what was the name again for it? It's at diarrhea pubes. Yeah. One word. Diarrhea pubes, not pube.

Pubes, plural. One more time just for the listeners. At diarrhea pubes, one word. Picture just like a sea of diarrhea. And in it, a few pubes sticking out. Oh, there's some pubes floating around. Oh, God, is that what my name is? I thought they were two cool words.

I thought you were laboring. Nate Fertile was taken and I panicked. You just looked down. You looked down and it was the first thing you saw. Anything else you want to point people towards? I mean, I guess my debut stand-up album, Live at the Riviera Theater, is available on natefurnall.bandcamp.com. It's a really good stand-up album, Live at the Riviera Theater, is available on natefernal.bandcamp.com.

It's a really good stand-up album. Check that out, too. We are also joining Nate and I today, Sean O'Connor. Oh, hey. Sean O'Comedy in the house. I've been talking so much before my introduction. It's so rude. I don't think it was ruining it for anybody.

Like, who is that third voice? Yeah. At Sean O'Connor's on Twitter. Oh, yeah. Wonderful stand-up comedian, television writer. Yeah. All of those things. And I'm in a sketch group with Nate Fernald.

Oh, yeah. Fernald. It's called Two Draculas. Are you guys performing again anytime soon? Probably. Yeah, we will. We definitely... We're taking bookings.

Yeah. You performed on Halloween as two Draculas first, right? We canceled that show. Oh. We performed sometime in November. Sometime after Halloween. What's the busy time for Dracula to slow down? Yeah, exactly.

Like, if you're two Santa's, you're not performing during December. No, you're busy. You're busy doing Santa shit. Yeah, January, baby. That's when the tour starts. I would guess that these are sort of Dracula themed sketches? No. No. Just picture if two Draculas

started a sketch comedy group but didn't want to be pigeonholed about being Draculas. Right. It's them getting away from all the Dracula nonsense. Yeah, just doing pure, hard comedy sketches. They're performing sketch comedy premises. Yeah, that's truly what it is. Unfleshed out ideas.

Yeah, we don't have an ending for any of the sketches. Every ending is breaking the scene and going, so that's all we have for that one so far. That would be, I would appreciate that if more sketch comedy did that. If it was just more honest. Yeah, but that's our thing. Yeah, okay, so nobody's there. I thought being Dracula was your thing. We're Dracula's, we have our thing,

we have other characters. That's the Dracula, our thing is Dracula's, but the Dracula's thing is that it's just premise-wise. Yeah, whenever we're in character, we don't finish the action. All right, fantastic. Yes, you're very committed to the Dracula character. Yeah. I have an Instagram, Sean O'Cons.

Sean O'Cons. Twitter, Sean O'Cons. Oh, while we're here, we should point people towards at Jay Leto the Joker on Twitter. Yeah. I don't think anyone's updated it in a while. No, we have been. Oh, have you been? He's due for a comeback? Yeah. I don't think anyone's updated it in a while. No, we have been. Oh, have you been? He's due for a comeback.

Yeah. I think over the holiday break, we should really pour some time into that Twitter. Oh, yeah. We should actually Photoshop a Santa hat onto Jay Leto, the Joker's hat. Yes, we should. Yeah. I go up the chimney. I go down on the chimney.

I tried to go down the chimney, but the whole thing went up my butt. So if it's stuff such as that, go to at J. Leonard the Junk. That's sort of a collaboration, mostly between you two, but I pitched it in for a couple. You pitched in, Justin Shane. Yeah, Justin Shane's company put a couple in. He's never been on this podcast, right? No, he hasn't. And he should never do it.

No, his voice is unpleasant. It is. People don't want to hear it. Yeah. And he should never do it. No, his voice is unpleasant. It is. People don't want to hear it. I hope he listens to it. Otherwise, it's just going to get back to him that we were talking shit. Hey, Justin, if you are listening to this, turn it off and listen to those songs I sent you. That will make Justin laugh very hard. That's an inside joke between me and Justin, and it will really make him laugh.

Nice. I hope he listens to it by the way yeah justin justin text messaged me once a month asking to release his episode of the weezer podcast just his just his he thinks he thinks it's that good that the people need to hear it yeah it wasn't that good we just mostly made fun of justin yeah i forgot he did it oh that was before you even worked on my way yeah i didn't know justin that was my my first basically the first time I met him. So he was just some schmuck in that instance. He still is just some schmuck.

He really liked Crab. Oh, me? No, my least favorite Weezer song. Oh. All right. Yeah. Anyway. Cut that out.

Oh, also, hopefully, this is all staying in. You guys have a Weezer podcast that hopefully comes out at some point. Yeah. I mean, hopefully. Hopefully, the powers this is all staying in. You guys have a Weezer podcast that hopefully comes out at some point. Yeah. I mean, hopefully. Hopefully, the powers that be at any podcast. Here's this. It goes, hey, that sounds like not the worst idea for a podcast. We have 12 episodes recorded in the winter of 2050.

Yeah. It's almost a year old now. We have some really great guests on all of them. Unfortunately, not the best hosts on all of them. We never really get to the podcast. If you would have hosted it as Dracula's, I feel like it would have been okay that it didn't go that well.

That is an idea. That's an idea I'm into. To Dracula's, host a Weezer podcast. This song sucks. That means we like it. Tasty guitar garlics. Something like that. Something along those lines. We'll workshop it, but that's probably the winner.

Are all the intros this long on your podcast? Yeah, but the podcast is mostly intro. We should get to the podcast, though, I guess. What we are drafting today on All Fantasy Everything is television shows that have never won a series Emmy. So we're not doing The Simpsons. We're not talking Seinfeld or Arrested Development. Frasier. Becker.

Yeah. The West Wing. Big Bang Theory. Big Bang Theory. TNT's Inside the NBA. Yeah. PTI. We're not talking about shows that have won Emmys, which is The Late Late Show with James

Corden, Carpool Karaoke Special. Not the show itself, so we could take the Late Late Show still. Yeah, but you know, Seth Meyers is also in play. Seth Meyers is in play too. And I'm the one who's legally allowed to pick that. What if you picked it first?

Oh yeah, Sean used to work on the Late Late Show, and Nate and I both also write for the Late Late Show, so there's gonna be some fun Late Late Show banter off mic later. Yeah. But let's get to it. The way we determine draft order every week is a game of rock, paper, scissors between the two of you. Okay. Whoever wins picks the draft order, and it's rock, paper, scissors, shoot, and then it's a one out of one. Okay, ready?

All right. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. And then it's a one out of one. Okay, ready? All right. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ooh! Sean O'Comedy wins with scissors over paper. I'll pick first. Sean's picking first. Ian second. I'm going second.

Okay. All right. So with the first pick of the TV shows that have never won a series Emmy, All Fantasy, Everything, it's Sean O'Connor. I'm picking the OC! Yay! Yay! Na-na-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na-na. OC! Yay! Na-na-na-na-na.

Na-na-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na-na-na. California. Number one! Why are you going with the OC? Well, I had never watched the OC. Like, I thought it was, like, too on brand when it was on originally. Like, 2003, 2004.

Yeah. Sean was everything that show was. So anything I knew about the show was like, oh, Death Cab for Cuties on originally, like 2003, 2004. Yeah. Sean was everything that show was. So anything I knew about the show was like, oh, Death Cab for Cuties on it, or the Killers are on it. Yeah. And I was like, I like those things, but I don't like when those things are on TV. Those are my things. So I didn't watch it.

You thought it was cultural appropriation by Hollywood a little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. So then two weeks ago I decided, all right, enough people have told me I would probably like the OC. I really love teen shows.

I started watching it. I completely fell in love with it. I would have loved it when I was 18. It probably would have made my life better somehow. Do you think it would have? Like you would have been fulfilled on some level. Exactly. I think watching the mainstream uh like like grip on to what i held dear that show broke death cab for cutie like

into the into the mainstream yeah that it made them huge right that and uh the what was the what was that other movie uh garden state garden state yeah the shins oh that was the shins never right yeah yeah but was Death Cab on there too? Anyway, yeah. But they broke Death Cab. Yeah. I really feel like it would have given me the confidence to go up to much hotter people. Oh, that show's full of babes.

Babes. The OC, mainly the character of Seth Cohen, made it possible for women to be attracted to me. Yeah. I think every single person I know is a Seth Cohen. Yeah. I only know Seth Cohen. Most comedy writers are Seth Cohen. I have so much in common with Seth Cohen

except for the Jewish thing, which you have. Which I have. And also you have the same body as Seth Cohen. Yes, and kind of a little bit of the same face. Very similar penises. Yeah, the exact penis. The exact same penis. Because you've got it attached. Yes. He's grown into. Yeah. The exact penis. The exact same penis. Because you've got it attached.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. He's grown into his face more than I have. But I love it. I think it's a perfect show. It's a great teen show. It has great storylines. I just finished season two.

Yeah. Season two ends with Seth Cohen saying no to George Lucas and yes to Summer. Yeah, George Lucas is on the OC. What? I haven't seen the OC. What is the situation where George Lucas is involved? George Lucas wants to make a movie of Seth Cohen's comic book. Okay.

But Seth Cohen goes, did you go to prom? And then he's like, well, no, I didn't go to prom. I was creative, and I was in my room drawing Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. And it's the real George Lucas. It's not like Bobby Moynihan. He says Jar Jar Binks. He says Jar Jar Binks. So you know it was just Ewoks and George Lucas was like, we want to get sort of a shout out to the new one, the prequels.

But maybe that is why Jar Jar had to be in the prequels, is back in high school, that's what he was drawing. He was drawing Jar Jar. He was just drawing like a pot smoking rust. This George Lucas locked in his room, not going to prom, listening to Bob Marley like, excuse me, I'm idea. If you're an OC fan, you should probably wait until you're done with the series to listen to this. If you're an OC fan, you should probably wait until you're done with the series to listen to this. But on the This American Life Tour, there's this clip from it. You can probably find it on the internet somewhere where it's Ira Glass talking about why he loves the OC so much as the band Mates of State plays the theme song behind him.

And it's – Whoa. I will 100% do that. It will bring tears to your eyes. But it really has everything. It has like the soap opera aspect. Yeah. But it really has everything. It has like the soap opera aspect, but then it's like super funny and great music.

And the babes are like, I mean, out of this world. Some of the best babes. They're very smoking. Yeah. These babes are smoking, guys. Misha Barton, Rachel Bilson, Samari Armstrong. These are the girls I want to know. Misha Barton's a hot name, too. She is.

She's the worst on the show. I know. Both character-wise and acting-wise. And acting-wise. Yeah. She's like, gosh, Ryan, I never thought of that. Because apparently she has a bit of a British accent when she talks, and that's her American accent. Oh, Nate.

Wow. I've never thought of cocaine. It's a fish out of water. It's somebody from like Reseda or like. From Chino. From Chino, right? He's a hot badass. Who gets arrested and adopted by the hottest parents in the world.

I know. And moved to a rich town called Newport Beach. Newport Beach, which is real down in the OC. Yeah. rich town called Newport Beach. Newport Beach, which is real down in the OC. Yeah, and then he gets a brother, the brother that he always wanted in Seth Cohen.

Yeah, so basically Seth Cohen's a nerd, and now he has this cool badass guy living in his house with him. Yeah. Yeah, it's like what if weird science, instead of a hot babe, you create a hot dude babe. A hot garbage brother. Yeah, it's basically all of our fantasies.

It sounds amazing. And the Cohen, so Seth Cohen, his family's Jewish, but they adopt this bad boy from Chino. And why it's Chris Mika is his mom's a super wasp. Oh, okay. And Sandy Cohen is his dad from the Bronx. This is such a realistic OC story, though. Like, honestly, that's every couple in the OC. It's amazing. It really is.

A rich Jewish guy and his impossibly blonde wife. Rich Jewish guy with weird eyebrows and insanely attractive wife. A young Eugene Levy, married to the idea of Arianism. Sometimes I think they go a little overboard with the Judaism, where, like, every morning they're like, where's the bagels?

They eat bagels every morning. And in the first episode when they adopt Ryan, the badass guy, they immediately circumcise him. No! No! Like I thought you were a badass. You afraid of little tip snips? That's amazing. it sounds really good what does it remind you of are there any shows that it reminds you of

I was a big Gossip Girl fan it's a better Gossip Girl it's better than Gossip Girl it's just a teen show it has a Freaks and Geeks quality to it I think Freaks and Geeks is kind of more like fubu yes uh for us like for us by us but the oc is like freaks and geeks for everyone it was on a mass

mass scale yeah exactly it wasn't so like insular like it's like hey people in nebraska this is the oc people wear bikinis like you could watch it yeah but then hey people in nebraska with weird sons who like turn out to be bright eyes you could watch it awesome well that's an amazing pick speaking of shows that you uh slept on when everyone told you you should have watched them with my first pick i'm going second uh the second pick of the first round i am am picking The Wire, which somehow never won an Emmy. Really? Yeah. That's insane.

The Wire never won a series Emmy. That's a show that was more appreciated after its time, right? Yeah. It kind of was after its time, although by the third season, which was the bad season, it started- Still loved it. Yeah. I still did, too.

Loved every single season. Every single season. It was all of them, all of them but the third season. I watched it. I was like, that seems fine. It seems just as good as the rest of them. A lot of people shit. Every single season. Everyone was, it was all of them, all of them, but the third season, and I watched it, and I was like, that seems fine, and it seems just as good as the rest of them. A lot of people shit

on the second season. Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. The second season, yeah. And I love the docs. I love the docs too. That's what I'm thinking, the second, my bad.

See, I've never seen The Wire. Oh, yeah. But like, I do remember that time where everyone discovered The Wire. Yeah. Yeah. And it really feels like

they just found six seasons in the woods, and then like, to everyone right everyone oh this is amazing so that's why it didn't win emmys it like but even i think by the third season it started sort of catching on i remember that's when i heard about it i mean like hbo back then hbo tv shows weren't what they are now we're like yeah this was before the internet so like you couldn't watch them unless you had hbo right and then when they came out on dvd then it started getting really popular because everyone's like everyone can watch it then um but god what an incredible show it's such an amazing show for those of you if anyone doesn't know i'm sure

you've been incessantly told to watch the wire by your friends if you listen to this i'm sure you've seen it but uh yeah it's about, it's about Baltimore, basically. And it's veiled in like a police versus, you know, like gang members and drug dealers and stuff like that. But it covers everything. It's also about politics. It's about like newspaper coverage. It's about everything. And it's got some of the most amazing – Omar is one of the best television characters of all time.

He's a gay bounty. He's not even a bounty hunter. He robs drug dealers. Yeah. He robs drug dealers. He's a gay Robin Hood. He's a gay Robin Hood. But he doesn't give to the poor, really.

He just kind of keeps the money for himself. And he whistles. A gay Jack Sparrow. He's a gay Jack Sparrow. Yeah. He's a less gay Jack Sparrow. He's a gay Jack Sparrow. Yeah, he's a less gay Jack Sparrow. And he's saying – what does he say? The farmer and the dell every time – what is it?

He whistles like – Yeah. Yeah, whatever that song has, the cheese stands alone is a lyric. He whistles as he walks around and people are like, oh, no, Omar coming. Carrying a shotgun out in the open. Yeah. By the way, all right, so I've been told to watch The Wire incessantly over the past eight years. By the way, I've been told to watch The Wire incessantly over the past eight years.

Finding out that there's a gay guy who robs drug dealers, who whistles the cheese stands alone, is a better sales pitch than anyone else's. That's all you need to know. It's amazing. And somehow it seems completely – you're like, yes, of course he exists. When I was watching The Wire, I was doing it via the netflix dvd plan oh yeah and i had the one disc at a time plan and that was just like the highlight of like every three days or whatever was getting my wire dvd and it came in one day it was like a friday night me and my girlfriend had like plans like we're gonna watch the wire night we're gonna watch the whole disc. And one night, it comes.

I get the disc out of the mailbox, and the disc is broken. And I was like, fuck. So I called the video store in my neighborhood. I go, what time are you guys open until? And they go, we close in 10 minutes. And I go, I'll be there. And I hopped on my bike, and I've never pedaled faster in my life. And I got there seconds before they closed

and it's like i just gotta get a wire dvd and i got it and they had it they had it it would have been so you would have had such an awful night if they didn't have that disc and it would like but but i'm not sure any there's any show that i would have done that for like i would have been like yeah i'll watch something else tonight but that was like i must watch this tonight yeah it's so it's so good. There's no good guys and no bad guys. Like, you root for – It's a morally gray world.

Completely. And, like, I think that David Simon, who was the guy who created it, who was also a crime reporter for the longest time in Baltimore, I think for the Baltimore Sun. Yeah. Like, he was embedded with the cops. And, like, while he was doing that that he was like oh nobody's nobody's good everybody's everybody's like you know complicated and ambiguous yeah no it's not like i honestly honestly think that people should have to watch the wire be required to watch it like in school it's like just to like see yeah see how how things actually work like how cities actually work, like how cities actually work. Right.

Yeah. And like how people are like driven to this life of like selling drugs and stuff like that. Not because they want to and how awful it actually is. Yeah. Like everyone, like white people in the suburbs should watch it. And like,

I think white people in the suburbs should have to, they should be legally required to watch just a month's worth of things with black people in it yeah yeah and even martin yeah yeah like especially martin yeah uh clockwork orange style yeah just like to have that oh the culture all i know about the wire is she i like that a lot bunk is amazing uh tommy mcnulty those are like the two main cops. They're fantastic. What has the cast gone on to do? I mean, I know everyone is like, hey, why are you guys?

Idris Elba was one of the main characters in it. Oh, and he went on to be Black James Bond. He's Black James Bond in this alternate time. And he went on to be every bad guy in every animated movie of the last three years. Yeah. Oh, he's also in Pac Rim. Oh, yeah. He's in Pac Rim.

Michael K.s was in uh the night of oh yeah yeah i like him mcnulty mcnulty is in the affair it's nick nolte nick nolte officer nick nolte jimmy nick nolte he kind of he basically is sort of like later days Nick Nolte. God damn it. Yeah, and then the bunk when it was in Treme. Yeah. A lot of the, and then some of the people, like in the show, they got like people who were just real drug dealers. Oh, like that girl. That girl.

Oh, I can't remember what her name is. I can't either right now. Snoop. Snoop. Yeah. Thank you, G. Yeah, the producer with the assist. Snoop. Yeah, she was like Thank you, G. Yeah, the producer with the assist. Snoop, yeah.

She was like an actual drug dealer in Baltimore. Yeah. And they just put her in the show. But then did she continue with acting or they were just like, Oh, no, I think she got arrested shortly after. Yeah. Sorry, show's canceled. Back to the PJs.

But yeah, Stringer Bell, which is an amazing name for a character. That was Idris Elba. Avon Barksdale. I don't know what Wood Harris has gone on to do as much. But Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan. Oh, yeah. Very young Michael B. Jordan.

Yeah. Space Jam. Yeah. Space Jam. I can't think of anything else. Hanes Commercial. Hanes Commercial. Yeah, it's just an amazing show.

I mean, it's so good. And each season has its own sort of theme to it. And you finished it. Finished it. Yeah, I haven't finished the OC yet. Yeah, you're like, you finished two seasons though. But the two good seasons. But you already know.

Yeah, it's going to take you a little longer to get through the next two seasons. You should, I understand your Godfather Goodfellas thing. You should watch The Wire. Yeah, The Wire doesn't really rub me the rub me it doesn't fit into those yeah so i i didn't see the godfather or goodfellas till maybe like two or three years ago and i'd say watch the wire before those like yeah listen to people recommending the wire like yeah the godfather goodfellas are great movies blah blah blah whatever like but uh the wire is i'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse i'm gonna watch the wire and you don't

have to do anything i refuse i actually do refuse john uh what i refuse to do is to put off your pick any longer here we go uh amazing transition nate Fernald, your first pick. My pick, I'm going with a deep cut. Wow, in the first round. Oh, am I supposed to wait until deep cuts? Usually, I mean, whatever your strategy, you don't even have to have a strategy because there aren't really any winners or losers, but like...

People vote online. Ian says that so... Oh, really? Because Ian wins every week. Do you have to... Kamail beat me. Oh, man. Because Kumail tweeted about it. Oh, yeah. See, I'm basically- Popular vote. It doesn't matter.

I'm basically only picking deep cuts, and a lot of my picks are also going to be like, I'm picking this because it's funny to say this name that no one's thought of in 20 years. That's a great strategy. Yeah. Okay. I'm going with opposite sex. Opposite sex? Oh, fuck.

Yeah. That was my number two! Was it really? It wasn't even a deep cut. Well, I was afraid you were going to pick it for number one because I introduced you to it. You did. So, Opposite Sex was an incredibly short-lived teen drama that had... Milo Ventimiglia.

Milo Ventimiglia. Oh, I love Milo Ventimiglia. And Chris Evans. Chris Evans, Captain America. Very, very young, both of them. And Allison Mack from Super Smallville. Oh, yeah. Super Smallville.

So the show was about an all-girls school that just went co-ed, and only three guys have enrolled in the school. Nice. And, like, one guy enrolled in the school nice and like one guy enrolled in the school because he's like a super nerd and it's like a better education there so that's why he's going yeah one guy is new to town so that he didn't even know it was an all-girls school that's just like that's the school he got signed up to yeah and the other guy is just like a dumb horn dog who wants to bone so that's why he went there we all relate to so like these three

very different guys are like best friends because they can only hang out with each other and there's no boys locker room so they just have to get changed in like the janitor's office with the janitor and it's such a great show I think they filmed eight episodes and only aired six episodes

and it's why what kind of what was the sort of style of it was it it was a single camera like teen drama kind of, what was the sort of style of it? It was a comedy? It was a single camera, like teen drama, kind of like. Comedy, but half hour. Half hour. Half hour. Here's the problem with it is it was, it was like, you know how we have like, there's like freaks and geeks on one spectrum and the OC on the other.

Yeah. It hovered the line between the two in the sense that it didn't please either side. Oh, yeah. The critics weren't on board with it because it wasn't like. In the Venn diagram, it's just me and you in a circle. Yeah. that it didn't please either side. The critics weren't on board with it because it wasn't like... In the Venn diagram, it's just me and you in a circle. Yeah.

It was like... It was not like art enough for the critics to latch onto it and it wasn't like mainstream enough for the general public to latch onto it. Yeah, it didn't make you like... There was nothing nostalgic about it. It was just like...

It was really just like three boys in a world of girls yeah like this is like perfect yeah which boy was which which one was milo ventimiglia he was the guy who the new guy the new guy he's a new guy his dad is like you know a military man kind of right or like his family moved around a lot yeah he's so good at being complicated yeah so he's the complicated chris evans is of course the nerd who just wants a better education Wait is he really? No he's the horned

He's a horny dumb dude I bet he gets the bone too You like Chris Evans bone Don't put a leash on Chris Evans Cause a lot of the girls hate that he's there Most of the girls hate that boys are at the school All the girls look at all the boys like chris evans yeah but then like that's why like milo kind of shines because like the girls are like oh i can change that yeah and i and it was like one of the first shows to put like

kind of cool indie music in it yeah and uh i remember i discovered wilco through this show oh no shit i discovered ben lee through this show. Oh, no shit. I discovered Ben Lee through this show. And all the original music in the show was done by Anna Warrinker of That Dog. She did, like, original songs for the show. And there's nowhere to get them, but I wish I could have them. They were great songs. You could probably just, like, email her. I probably could.

You probably could. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do an exchange. Show her weak music. Yeah. could you probably could yeah that's the next show her weak music yeah um but all the episodes are on youtube even the ones that didn't air yeah um and was it on like the cw or whatever fox it from like 2000 to 2004 while the simpsons was falling off yeah they were just making compelling television about what it was like to be a TV. Yeah.

Another reason that it didn't do well was because it aired in the summer. It was airing in the summer. That's such a bad idea when shows do that for the first time. And I remember there was this moment where it was like me and my family were going to take a vacation to this little cabin on a lake in Maine. And the night before we left, I was watching opposite sex. Yeah. And then they played the Ben Lee song.

Cigarettes will kill you in the episode. And I was just like, like love the show so much. I was like relating to the show so much. And like always every summer when we went to Sebago Lake, I was always like, I'm going to have a girlfriend at the lake this summer. Of course,

never happened. Never even saw a girl there. I was just like, I'm going to have a girlfriend at the lake this summer. Of course, never happened. Never even saw a girl there. See Bagel Lake? So I was like, I remember watching it and hearing that Ben Lee song. And then on the way to Maine, I was telling my parents, I was like, we have to stop at the record store. And I made them stop so I could buy that Ben Lee album and listen to that sad song on repeat for the whole week in Maine and just be a sad boy on Lake and Main. I remember that so vividly, going on vacation with your parents,

and, like, in your head, you're like, I'm going to meet a girl. Like, I'm going to, like, I'm in South Carolina, and I'm going to be so horny with a girl in South Carolina. And I remember, like, anytime I would see a girl, I would, like, basically stare at them. Yes. Yeah. Until they looked back, and then I'd be like. And then you try to move your head all quick.

When you're, like, a teenage boy on vacation with your family, like, you don't really go off on your own. You're just with your family the whole time. So even if I saw. When would that have taken place? Yeah. Yeah. The least sexy thing in the world is me sitting and hearing my mom go,

Sean! Sean! I used to have that fantasy too. Like if we would go to Hawaii for a week or whatever, you know, like my whole family, they'll be a girl at the hotel. Yeah. You know, we'll meet at the swimming pool

and then like sneak off and never even ask. Actually, you know, one time it almost did happen. Okay, I was on vacation with my family. I was on vacation. It was me, my mom, my dad went down to visit my grandfather – my grandmother and her husband from a later marriage. That's why I didn't say grandfather. Like we're cool. I won't call you grandpa.

You're not my grandfather. You're not my grandpa. Me, my mom, my dad went down to visit grandparents. And my mom and my grandmother were like, let's surprise their husbands and take them to Hooters. Thinking they'd be cool wives. Oh, my God. But forgetting there was a 12-year-old boy there. Yeah.

And I had to go to Hooters with my parents and grandparents. And this was when smoking was allowed in restaurants. I remember biting into my brush. Especially in Hooters. So smoke shot out of your ear. You didn't have to put earplugs in. Horny wolf earplugs.

It was in this retirement town in Florida, so it was all older people. So it was more saggies than hoovers. I had to get out of the restaurant. I was like, I'm just going to go hang out outside. Like, I need to get some air and I go outside. And then there's, like, a girl about my age who, like, comes outside.

And then she just starts talking to me. And she's just like, yeah, you're here with your parents? I'm like, yeah. And they're like, man, yeah, this town sucks. There's nothing to do here. And she's like, we should hang out. And I go, I have to go back inside. Oh, no.

You blew it. You blew it. I know. I blew it. I freaked. That was Natalie Portman, too. It was Natalie Portman. Perfect.

Yeah. So that's, so yeah. Opposite sex. It's all on YouTube. Oh, yeah. Sometimes it's hard to find because when you type in opposite sex, a lot of weird shit comes up on YouTube. because when you type in opposite sex,

a lot of weird shit comes up on YouTube. Yeah. But put opposite sex in quotes and then type, like, episode after it or something. You can watch the whole thing on YouTube for free. Great show. Great show. It's amazing, and it's super quick. I'll definitely check it out.

Everyone here should check it out. And we're also going to check out, Nate, your next pick, because you had the last pick of the first round. Oh, so I start first this time. Yeah, snakes. Snakecraft. Alright, I'm going to go with... Here we go.

Wait, give Sean a space. Are y'all ready for this pick? Y'all ready for this? The Weber Show. What is that? What is The Weber Show? Steven Weber. Okay.

From Wings. And this is in Cursed. It was Weber Show, later renamed to Cursed. Oh, okay. So are you just choosing The Weber Show or Cursed? No, no, no. I'm choosing The Weber Show. And not Cursed, which was just a... The Weber Show was better.

When you look up The Weber Show, it redirects to Cursed. I know. Yeah, okay. Go on. I'm sorry. So it was Steven Weber from Wings. After Wings, he got his own show. And then they were like, well, everyone loves Steven Weber.

And then they called it the Weber Show. And everyone's like, who's Weber? Who is Weber? They changed the name to Cursed with an exclamation mark, I believe. Yes. And I remember the woman who was the lead in the show, as a young boy, I thought she was the most beautiful woman in the world. Amy Pites. Amy Pites.

Looking back, it was probably not a good show. I remember I thought it was funny, and I laughed a lot at it. But she was a love interest, but she was a lesbian. Oh, hence the cursed yeah she she's cursed with lesbianism and but the whole thing i think that he ends up like winning her over in the show what he talks her out of it insane like he was like i know she's a lesbian but i like her so much and i'm gonna show her what a good guy well in a world where everyone knows stephen weber that seems like a possibility yeah a plausible thing yeah uh she could get talked about by weber and i remember i i genuinely loved the show when i was a kid and and i thought it was such a funny show. 17 episodes, multi-cam, NBC.

Can't believe it made it that long. It ended 14 days before 9-11. Oh, wow. That's why you don't hear about it so much. You got lost in the news cycle. Wait a minute. Webber is Osama bin Laden. That was season three.

Everyone's like, hey, where'd Steven Webber go? Oh, no. Oh, no it's also had chris elliott in it that's right chris elliott was and wendell pierce bunk from uh the wire that's right yeah i mean this show rocks i actually need to look this up again i'm just trying to do deep cuts on this podcast it doesn't get much deeper than we. Oh, it's going to get a lot deeper. Believe me. The opening theme song was fair. Oh. Really? Yeah.

Miss Fortune. Miss Fortune. Awesome. I like it even more now. See, look at you. Yeah, I'm going to go try to find some old episodes. So what you liked about this show was that it had a gay conversion therapy. Via the guy from Wings.

Yes. It's more humane than electroshock therapy. Via the guy from Wings. Yes. It's more humane than electroshock therapy. It's funny, well, because at the time I was like just a dumb kid

who I don't think realized that being gay was actually something that people are. Yeah, yeah. It's just a fun joke on TV.

Yeah, yeah. It's just a thing to call people if they don't agree with you. And like, and to and to me like him changing it was the same thing as just like you know like a good guy reeling in a bad girl yeah yeah she was off sleeping with anyone mostly women yeah what a bad girl so yeah so like looking, super offensive show. Yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, yeah. It was part of must-see TV, though. Yeah. Yeah. It was important for people to see. I know that because of the Wikipedia. I didn't know anything about the show, but apparently it was part of must-see TV. And also, I remember that the girl in the show kind of looked like Nina Gordon from Veruca Salt.

And this was, like, and I think part of me was convinced that it was Nina Gordon. So I was like, I was like, the singer from Ruka Salt's in a sitcom. Awesome. And I was watching it. Way before Carrie Brownstein tried to pull off the same thing. Yeah. Amazing. Well, the Weber show, not cursed.

So you only really took what the first six episodes are. The first six episodes. And then it was called Cursed. And then they dropped the cursed aspect of the show. Right, because he had been cursed by an ex-girlfriend. Yeah. Is what it says on the Wikipedia. I remember watching it, and there was not much cursed stuff going on.

It was just a sitcom. It was just like... When you sell a sitcom, and here's some information, because we're all TV writers, they want you to have a hook. Yeah. A hook. That's one of the most important things is like what's the hook? What can you say like, okay, so he gets broken up with and his ex-girlfriend curses him. And that's what you – but you really just want to make a relationship.

And they're like, we love that. And then they read the first draft of the script and they're like, this curse stuff is not working for us. It's a real thin premise. We like the breakup. They're like, your show needs a hook. And it's like, what's a hook? It's a gimmick that can't last more than four episodes. Yeah, at most.

And then hopefully it's big enough that we can abandon it. Like, Happy Endings is one of the – I love that show. Maybe spoiler alert. Well, yeah. But Happy Endings, they drop the premise of the show episode two. Yeah, immediately. It's just like can friends be – remain friends after a couple breaks up? It's like, yep.

Yes. Anyway. Well, what do you – some of the best shows, it's like what was Seinfeld's hook? There wasn't one. What was Friends? It wasn't nothing they're constantly doing it's a show about everything it's a show about minutiae and not being great people yeah uh and like what was friends hook fret people live in new york

fret it's six friends with unbelievable deals on apartments yeah it's ridiculous so if you're an exec if you're a hot industry exec quit making us come up with weird hooks yeah if we're funny yeah let's make stuff yeah just read a funny script be like this is funny you just want to make a show about a guy who doesn't get off his couch i hate yeah that's that's a hook to me that's a hook and it's real life everything is just like so it's just after a breakup like fucking yeah oh yeah He gets fired and he moves back home. Yeah. His parents move in with him.

He moves in with some friends. His friends. It's just, oh, I'm so tired of it. So here's the pitch. This guy, he's like the most handsome, like rich, well-respected guy. But his penis is the exact shape and size of a vacuum. A Hoover vacuum. The dust bag and all.

Hoover, do you think you are? Two Draculas lose their jobs. Move to the big city. But they get day jobs. They get day jobs. They can only be out at night. That is actually, Ian, you have, that's, that phrase can sell a show tomorrow. They can only be out at night, bot.

Listen, let's just go to Comedy Central. Ian, you're show running the Two Dragons show. The Two Dragons. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be on board. I'm also on board with my next pick, the second pick of the second round. I can't leave it on the board. I have to take Gilmore Girls.

Never nominated for an Emmy. Never won an Emmy. Never won an Emmy. It won a Best Makeup Emmy, but not a Series Emmy. That doesn't count. That doesn't count, right? It was for the Human Painting episode. I think it counts and you have to re-pick. No, no, no. Gilmore Girls. No, I know.

It's maybe my second favorite show of all time. i don't even know what the first one is so i get i bet i would i have not seen gilmore girls yeah i mean i would i bet i'd love it i've never seen the new i haven't seen the new one a year in the life yet it's a big plan for me in the new year to watch the gilmore girls so i almost started it um over thanksgiving i was like i needed i was at my parents house with nothing to do. I needed a new show. And I was going to start Gilmore Girls. I was like, seven seasons? 22 episodes

a piece? Yeah, an hour an episode. Well, 44 minutes an episode. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know if I can do that. It is daunting. I will say it's a daunting series, but just start getting into it and you'll be sucked in. Especially this time of year when you're living in L.A., and it's like, the weather

doesn't change that much, but you want it to feel like winter. It is such a good winter show, because they leave the summers out of every season. So it kind of starts with a school year. Where does it take place? Stars Hollow, Connecticut. Okay. Yeah. So are we dealing with, like, a rich element?

It is. Her parents are rich. with like a rich element? It is. Her parents are rich. So the Lorelei Gilmore is a, she had a baby out of wedlock when she was 16, 17 years old. Her parents are rich,

Hartford, Connecticut, like insurance people, old money kind of thing. And she was like a rebel who was into the clash and shit like that. But just needed someone like Stephen Gilbert to change her.

Say no more. That is a show that I will watch the shit out of. It's fucking amazing. If she had met Stephen Webber, she would have been fine. But she never met him. He was being cursed by his ex-girlfriend and trying to convert lesbians. But it's amazing. So she leaves town, gets a job at an inn.

And the story picks up when her daughter is going to a high school for the first time and trying to get into Chilton, which is a private high school. So it has this, like, coming to America vibe. Yeah, it's big time coming to America. Everyone's doing sort of, like, makeup to play other characters. All right, Ian, you know what? What? When I go home for way too long to my parents' house over Christmas, I'm starting Gilmore Girl. Getting to Gilmore Girl.

I wish you would. It is... Let's all do it together. I'll watch it again. Yeah. We should all do it together, talk about it, then start a podcast. Yes. It's called The Gilmore Guys.

Gilmore Guys. Yeah. Because we're the Gilmore Guys. We are the Gilmore Guys. The difference between our podcast, The Gilmore Guys, and The Gilmore Guys podcast that already exists is we're never going to release our podcast. Exactly. It's going to be for mostly internal use.

Plus ours will be bad. That's another difference. Yeah. I was a guest on theirs, which is a HeadGum, the same studio podcast. I did a live version at some theater downtown. I forget which one. Regency? It was sold out

and it was like 600 people there. Yeah, it's... It's amazing. It's insane. They are... They're so good. Kevin and Demi are so funny. I think I know more about that podcast

than I do Gilmore Girls. Yeah. It's such an amazing podcast. We should do a Gilmore Guys podcast. Gilmore Guys guys. Oh, yeah. We just listen to each episode of their podcast and recap it.

Gilmore. I'll. Oh, yeah. We just listen to each episode of their podcast and recap it. Gilmore. I'll do that. People probably listen just based off how popular their podcast is. They're amazing. They're funny, funny guys. But the show is so good. The seven seasons really fly by. There's a little bit of the fish out of water element of the OC because, you know, this Rory, which is Lorelai's daughter.

Yeah. So she's kind of not had such a charmed life. Notory, which is Lorelai's daughter. Yeah, so she's kind of not had such a charmed life. Not such a charmed life. They're broke. But in Stars Hollow, which is the most charming town that has ever existed. The entire town is like a gingerbread latte. It's amazing.

But not a Starbucks one, like a good one. Yeah. You know? It's full of these fun characters. The stakes seem high, but they're not ever really that high. You know what I mean? Milo Ventimiglia's in it. Milo's in there? His second appearance?

From Opposite Sex. Milo, he's Jess. Opposite Sex is Milo Ventimiglia. That is, by the way, the second appearance for Milo Ventimiglia. Yeah. In this episode? Yeah, because... I hope, yeah.

Actually, like, a true touchstone of non-Emmy award winning TV shows is My Love of Tamale. Which is bad for whatever that show, This Is Us. This Is Us, yeah. Except that's definitely winning. You're cursed, like Steven Weber. I will, just before we move on from Gilmore Girls, I discovered it. Because I discovered it when I was in my early 20s. You were a football player in high school. I was a football player in high school. It seems insane that I would ever, I was like, I when I was in my early 20s you were a football player in high school I was a football player in high

school it seems insane that I would ever I was like I will never watch Gilmore Girls but it would be on ABC Family these reruns and I had two hours in between classes and I would go back to my house and watch just TV for like an hour or so and it just so happened that that started like right when I got home and

once it was like the only thing that was on so I was like I'll check this out and I was smitten immediately. It is such a whimsical little setting. The dialogue is super like, it's way too fast and like way too smart and referential. Yeah, they talk like no other humans talk. Nobody talks like that. But it's annoying for a second and then you get like sucked into it. It's so good.

I recommend watching it strongly. This is amazing. I'm going to watch Gilmore Girls. Yeah. I want to start it right now. I cried when it was over the first time. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow.

Here's another thing you should know about me. A lot of these TV shows I've probably cried at one point during. Oh, you'll cry a few times during it. Yeah. And I cried when it was over for sure. You'll cry at the Weber show. Yeah. It's so bad.

Let's find out what other show you've cried to. Sean, it's time for your second pick. This is not a show I've cried to, but it's definitely a pick that I'm so glad is on the board. I am picking, with my second pick, Veronica Mars. Oh, fuck. Veronica Mars. I love Veronica Mars. It's a great show.

I just assumed it won an Emmy. I just googled it. That and The Wire are the two shows that are famous for... I can't believe it was snubbed. Season 1 is perfect. And season 2 is...

Italian chef kissing fingers. Making the spicy meat the bar. I even loved season 3. I hate Piz. There's a character named Piz. I'm out on Piz. I haven't even seen the show. Piz is supposed to be like a

me or you kind of guy. A handsome heartthrob Lothario? An indie rock nerd who likes comic books. Because that was the thing. You realize that having babes get fucked over

by athletes is like... That's the 90s. Now they have to fall in love with these awkward boys. And Piz was just too good looking. He didn't like the right things yeah but but the thing is like he's like he's like you know the he you know he references pitchfork media a lot

yeah oh yeah i just got the latest cold playoff kazab he was he was cast by this like super muscular hunky dude who's like trying to play an awkward guy and it's like fuck off, man. But Piz is in another great teen show No, no, no, don't say it. Real quick, his name was Stosh? Wait, what are you guys talking about? Sorry, I looked up Veronica Mars real quick.

No, I just know what Sean's next pick is and it was going to be one of my picks. Oh yeah, something you should know is Nate and I have the same exact brain. We only like the same thing. Your Venn diagram barely has room on the other side. Sean and I each had a show called One Dracula and combined. Our Venn diagram is just a smaller circle and a bigger circle because I'm fatter.

Yeah. You were once one gigantic person his name is wait just real quick stosh stosh pisnarski you know like a regular person's named stosh stosh pisnarski season one is amazing yes veron Veronica's solving the murder of her best friend. And it's like it follows like all of those

like Nancy Drew type things but it's like kind of updated because like we were living in like a tech society in 2003.

Kristen Bell is like fucking the most charming. She's amazing. She really is amazing. Yeah. And it's like prime Kristen Bell.

Kristen, can I just say, Kristen Bell, everything that's happening to old What's-Her-Face-Who-We-Hate, that actress who's in Pitch Perfect. Oh, Anna Kendrick. Anna Kendrick. Yeah.

It should be happening to Kristen Bell. Yeah. Anna Kendrick is definitely the poor man's Kristen Bell. She's just so try-hard. Yeah. Ugh. Kristen Bell's effortless.

Like she delivers like snappy dialogue in Veronica Mars. Yeah. The cast is amazing. It has the kid from the last action hero, that little boy. Oh, yeah. And like Kazam. But he plays like a tough gangbanger with a shaved head who's like a mini Vin Diesel. Oh, man.

It's got Tina Majorino, who I love. Love her. Oh, I love her. The adults are all great cameos like there's so many like paul rudd makes a great cameo paul rudd adam scott ken marino plays like uh oh ken marino is so funny another private investigator steve gutenberg plays the rich guy in town that's perfect uh yeah that's what he is somewhere that show just the rich guy in a town somewhere.

That show saved my life. When I first moved to New York, I was so depressed. I had the horrible job. I lived in a really sad apartment in a super scary neighborhood. Everything sucked. I had no money. Nothing was fun. And then I started watching Veronica Mars and it just like pulled me out

of a dark place because I loved the show so much transported you yeah and it was oh it's just such a great show that's what Gilmore was for me

yeah I donated it to the Kickstarter very similar yeah I think like I think there's a lot of crossover

between Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars like same time frame yeah like rabid fan bases. Real rabid fan bases. Yeah. I have the DVDs if you want to borrow them.

I do want to borrow them. Bring them to work on Monday. It's such a good show. I didn't like the movie. I donated to the Kickstarter. I liked the movie. You did? Yeah.

I didn't think it was as good as the show, of course. But, like, I was like, as far as making a self-contained movie that people who didn't watch the show can see, like, pretty good. It's better than season three, but still. Where Stas showed up. I fucking hate this. Here's how you know he wasn't.

The guy who played Stas, just sorry to go back, because this is the only thing I have to connect to yet so far. Stas Piznarski, you know he wasn't like a good indie rock guy because he was discovered while playing beach volleyball. Yeah. Yeah. I think he would be great in a part where he's not essentially trying to play me. Yeah, right. Like casting him as me is – it's insulting to me.

You've never been discovered playing beach volleyball by anyone. Yeah. It's insulting to me. You've never been discovered playing beach volleyball. Yeah. By anyone. Yeah. And that is like the true difference between Seth Cohen and Piz is Seth Cohen is like,

he's gangly. He has like unkempt hair. He's still a handsome guy, but it's like in. But he's not, he's not. He's got boyish qualities. Like he never feels comfortable with Summer. Yeah. Piz feels comfortable with Veronica. Andiz feels comfortable with veronica and veronica is piz smart beautiful like funny like piz no one's bringing nothing yeah piz brings nothing

to the relationship while seth and summer is seth is bringing like he's like funny and quirky and she's just like a flat-out babe yeah he worships. Piz knows the words. Deerhoof. That's what he has to offer. Not even. Not even. He's like in the Coldplay. That's like his version of Indie Rock.

Oh, man. AWOL Nation. Oh, God. Oh, I hate Piz so much. Have you heard of this little band, Arcade Fire? Yeah, it's like 2008. Yeah, when it's like everyone had heard of Arcade Fire. Well, fuck off, Piz.

Veronica Mars, amazing pick. It's like on the top of every I Can't Believe This Hasn't Won an Emmy list. Yeah, which brings me to my deep cut. Yes. Life as we know it. Life as we know it. I love Life as we know it. The other Piz show.

Piz is awesome on Life as we know it. It's the Piz spinoff. The other Piz show. Piz is awesome on Life As We Know It. It's the Piz spinoff. But Piz gets his comeuppance a little bit on this one where he's Kelly Osbourne's boyfriend. Wait, Kelly Osbourne's in it? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Life As We Know It is a great show. Great show. It has Ben Foster's brother, Sean Farris, who was supposed to be TV's new Tom Cruise. Oh, yeah. He's the lead. Connie Moreau from The Mighty Ducks plays a teacher. Nice.

D.B. Sweeney from The Cutting Edge is a dad. And Marguerite... Connie Moreau. Marguerite Monroe. Yeah. She's the teacher. Yeah. That sleeps with Ben Foster. Oh, yeah.

Marguerite Monroe's hot. She's so teacher. Yeah. That sleeps with Ben Foster. Oh, yeah. Marguerite Moreau is hot. She's so hot. From Wet Hot American Summer. It's why I started watching the show, because I loved her so much in Wet Hot American Summer. And it's just another teen show that, like, honestly, what that show did and why I think it didn't succeed is that show was brutally real. It was. It was.

It felt too real. It was never overproduced it was never funny it was just like what it's like to be a team kind of like stark and quiet yeah the other thing that i think it went wrong is i think the casting of i think some of the the main dudes like piz and the main guy were just like too fucking good looking well the main guy is like honestly you want to suck his dick like yeah in life as we know it yeah he's just too good looking you have to admit there's dudes where you're just like i thought you're beautiful yeah you're beautiful you're too good looking to be at any college let me taste or any high school like you should go they should go to the sarbonne like in Paris. That's where you assume they would all study.

Yeah, it's like, how are you not walking down the catwalk right now? And anyone that could look at it, it's like, no, you would not be this not comfortable. Your life would be incredible. Yeah, it really would be. All those scenes where you're at a place and the girl you have a crush on is not at a place wouldn't happen because your dick would be getting sucked outside of that place. It's just unrealistic that you got to there and have time to sulk. Yeah.

I understand that attractive people, life can be difficult for them, too. Oh, absolutely. But not the way it's ever portrayed on television. Not in those ways. But he's, like, super unsure. There they're probably like my dicks too sucked i actually just i actually just saw the the black girl from life as we know it at a coffee shop two days ago and i was like oh you're still so pretty uh jessica lucas oh wow she's so pretty she's on gotham now but she she was supposed to be she was the main guy's love interest.

No, she was Ben Foster's, wasn't she? Oh, she was Ben Foster's. Yeah. I don't remember anything about Life As We Know It. I just had this feel for Nate. One of my – my favorite storyline in Life As We Know It is like – there's like Marguerite Moreau is one of the teachers and like all the guys have a huge crush on her. Like, oh my gosh gosh she's so hot and then one of them actually ends up hooking up with her oh wow and but then the way the story goes is it she turns out to be completely insane because obviously a teacher who would have sex with a 15 year old boy is an insane person and that's like

that's a great twist done yeah and And probably more realistic to what actually happened. Totally. Like, Mary-Kay Letourneau is an insane person. Insane person. She went to prison and got back with him. Mary-Kay Letourneau is so attractive. So beautiful. But like, so like, he finally hooks up with her.

You're like, oh my God, wait, does the teacher like him? And they hook up and you're like, yeah, he bowed the teacher. But then she starts to like ruin his life. And it's like, it's such an amazing story yeah suck yeah it would be awful uh fantastic life as we know it yeah and it's only i think 13 episodes 13 episodes blow through it in a really tight digestible yeah super well done kelly osborne you hardly notice that she's not an actor i don't mind mind Kelly Osbourne. Yeah, I like her. I'm fine with that. Yeah, and fuck Piz.

Yeah. Fucking Piz. Wait, is Piz in it? Piz is in it. The same guy. Same guy. Fucking Piz. But also, he's, like, playing a nerd in this, too.

And I remember there is an episode where he's, like, looking at himself in the mirror and, like, ashamed of himself, but he's fucking ripped. He has muscles. Oh, my God. He's, like, extending it, but then it's also, like, he still does have a six-pack. God, my damn hot muscles. He's extending it, but then it's also like he still does have a six-pack. God, my damn hot muscles. He can't hide it. Are you going to develop muscles at record camp?

Amazing. So it's the opposite of Gilmore Girls. Very digestible. Check it out. It's time for my third pick, building on the success of The Wire and Gilmore Girls. I am going to take It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, which never won an Emmy. Really? Never won one and is one of my favorite.

I don't know. Is it a sitcom? Maybe? I don't even know what to call it. I think it's a sitcom. It's a sitcom. It's one of my favorites of all time. It's so fucking funny.

It's another one I slept on and didn't start watching until it was almost over. But I love it. I find it inspiring, the way it got made, which was like a super cheat. Didn't they win a contest or something? Yeah, they entered it into a contest, like a short version, and yeah, it got picked up. I love it. I love everything about it. I think Danny DeVito's perfect in it.

It's entering its 10th season. Yeah. It's been a part of our entire adult live. I started watching it pretty recently, like this year, and I watched the first couple episodes like, I can't believe how old this is. I know. It's like not even in HD, the first episode. It feels like a new show because it's still very relevant.

And it's like, this is so old. Yeah. I mean, they come up with so many good. It's just, I guess there's technically five characters. But you just take like four characters, five, and just put them in funny situations. I mean, there's so, and there's, there, that show has like 12, like, episodes I think I could just watch repeatedly. The classics. Yeah, like.

Yeah. Like, like I would with like a Simpsons or a Seinfeld. Yeah. Like. Yeah, right? It does have that quality. The one where the health inspector is coming to check out the building is like

one of my all-time favorites. The one where Dee does stand-up it has one of the hardest twists. It's amazing. It like kind of broke me. Yeah. It's so... I mean, we shouldn't spoil it. I've only seen half of season one.

Yeah. And it took me a... I liked it but I wasn't like sucked in. it's fucking it's so i mean we shouldn't spoil it i've only seen half of season one yeah and it took me a like i liked it but i wasn't like sucked in and i i hear it gets better it does get better and you don't even have to watch it in order and that's i think i need to like like i think you need to find like a list of the best episodes and just hit those yeah because there's so much there's like 200 episodes there's a lot of them but you can jump in like it's season five cool and start watching it it It's still good. It's the episode where they buy the yacht I love.

Oh, I love that one. It's so good. There's just so many amazing episodes of it. Just such good comedy. And they also did such great world building on that show too. Yes. Which is crazy that it hasn't been nominated for an Emmy. Isn't it crazy? It is such a great show.

And just a legacy show like that that's been on so long, you would just assume that at some point it would have won an Emmy. Yeah, it got nominated a couple times, but it's never won one. Wow. It hasn't really won anything. It's won a People's Choice Award in 2016 for Favorite Cable TV Comedy. Really? Yeah. Wow. Just say TV Comedy. Really? Yeah. Wow.

Just say TV Comedy. Yeah, we don't need to make that distinction anymore. That's where the good comedy is. Exactly. Which, by the way, more impressive to win cable TV. Way more than network. You're going up against Veep and Silicon Valley. You're not going up against...

Oh, you beat Mulaney? Yeah. And my next pick, Sean Spoon. Well, let's hear what your next pick is. Nate, it's time for your third. Once again, I'm going deep cut. Deeps. Exo Squad.

I remember Exo Squad. The cartoon from when we were kids? Yes. What is Exo Squad? Exo Squad was a cartoon from when we were kids. Yes. What is Exo Squad? Exo Squad was a cartoon from when we were kids, kind of like we are. And it was a fucking incredible show. I rewatched it recently, and it is so fucking good. The problem with the show, the toys were awesome.

They were so cool. So the toy line did pretty well, but the show itself did not do very well because it was a serialized show. It was a children's cartoon that an episode would not make sense unless you've seen every episode leading up to it. Right, which is almost impossible. One long, massive storyline, and it's super in-depth, and it's really good. It's like, if you can like, I think they have it all on Hulu. Yeah. I hate to break it to you, it won 14 Emmys.

Are you serious? No. Honestly, I believe it because it's such a good show. It's so good. I had the toys. I don't remember the show at all. It is like, again, I'll bring you in the DVD. Yeah.

I don't remember this at all it is like again i'll bring you in the dvd yeah um it's remember this at all it has a very similar storyline to the new battle star galactica but it's like i think it's better like it's better than battle star galactica okay so here's what the storyline is the toys do rule yeah as someone who has nothing no stakes in this show i've never heard of it i'm looking at these toys and i'm like, fuck. They're awesome. The character design on the show was great. All the characters looked so cool.

And the robots in it looked so cool. So basically what the show is about is there's again, and the fact that it's going to take me this long to explain the plot of a children's show shows why it failed as a children's show. So the humans were able to basically like create artificial humans called Neo-Sapiens because they wanted to colonize Mars.

Were those blue lumpy guys? Yes. Yeah. So they made these like they're basically they look kind of like humans, but they're like blue. They have no hair and they're like huge. Yeah. So they made them and they put them on Mars to basically terraform mars so that humans could move to mars but they were fully intelligent and then basically they realized they were all slaves so they rebelled and then so then there was like a basically a

freedom act so that all the neo-sapiens were then allowed to be people and be seen as people and vote and live and you know live in our society um and so so they do that and there's like it does a lot of like allegory for racism like there's a lot of humans they're like they're all they're all like freaking sapes i hate these sapes they're like taking our jobs they're like and so but then there's this one guy who's like the one of the leaders of the of the of um the neosapiens and he basically makes this plan where he's basically able to create a war and wipe out the entire um u.s army and then so and then when that happens, the Neo-Sapiens take over Earth. Oh, wow. So then they're in charge.

So that's the kind of scary thing. We're like, people are being racist then for no reason. And then they take over Earth. And then they fulfill everyone's fears. Then there's this one squadron called the Exo Squad who basically got in trouble for botching a mission. And they were exiled to this shitty mission way out in space. And they come back and Earth has been taken over. botching a mission and they were exiled to this like shitty mission way out in space yeah and

they come back and earth has been taken over and they are the only like this little team of like basically fuck-ups is like the only hope for to save humanity but they have a sape on their team right yes they did well because again they're not all bad i even feel weird saying i felt weird saying safe yeah i couldn't forget what they were called the old sapiens yeah um but also the new sapiens call them sapes yes like showing like we are racist like sapes is a it's like a racist term in the show um that's problematic because even though you've created it you are acknowledging yes yeah we've both created it and then created a racist term for those yeah and also but the thing

with the neosapiens is they are both physically and mentally they are they're superior to humans in every way like they're smarter they're stronger and it's like and like people are super afraid of them because of it and

it's yeah it's like a very political show. So they're basically the Jews, the same. Bigger, stronger, faster, smarter. And then they take over. They were persecuted and they take over the world. And they take over Hollywood. And then season three of Exosquad, they're mostly just green lighting series.

There's one of them in the NBA at any given time. But this show, they kill off main characters in the show. Characters die in the show. That's crazy because you couldn't sell that toy anymore. Yeah. It's such a good show. As far as sci-fi goes,

I think it's one of the best sci-fi shows that's been on television. If you can get past the cheesy 90s animation aspect of it. I love that animation. Like the X-Men style. Yes, me too. And it's funny because like I've introduced a couple of people to it. And I'm like, you got to give it a few episodes.

Which again, it's a children's show. And you can't be like, you got to give it a few episodes for a children's show. But it's so good. It's just such a great show. That sounds amazing. If you like science fiction, watch ExoSquad. ExoSquad recommended. I will

absolutely check it out. What are you going to recommend with your fourth pick? The first pick of the fourth round. This keeps surprising me. You want to make a snake noise again, Sean? Alright. You'll make a snake noise again, Sean? All right. I'm going to pick a weird show that I don't know. Weirder than X-Men.

A show that I don't know if I liked it or not. Okay. But I watched every single episode of it. Great. Because it aired at the exact same time I got home from school and it was called City Guys. City Guys? See, at TY,

you should see why these guys are more than street wise. Roll with the City Guys. What is City Guys? I loved City Guys. City Guys was like a, basically,

Are these shows that were only on on the East Coast? Why haven't I heard of any of these? City Guys was part of TNBC Saturday morning. Okay. Like post-Say by the Bell.

Oh, I remember this show. So it's like Hangtime and City Guys. Yeah. And City Guys starred the blonde guy who was both... He was Julie the Cat's love interest in Mighty Ducks 3. But then also the bad guy in Mighty Ducks 2 for Team Iceland. I remember. That's interesting.

That's interesting. There's been a lot of Mighty Ducks connections. That's interesting. We have made a lot of references to actors via their part in Mighty Ducks on this episode. Well, it's the middle of the wheel. Yeah, Mighty Ducks is the Kevin Bacon of movies. You can connect any actor through Mighty Ducks. So whenever I would come home, I would want to watch cartoons when I go home from school.

But for some reason, this fucking city guy was always on. And I was always mad, but we didn't have cable. So it was the only thing on. Of course, yeah. So I watched it every single day, and eventually it became a show that I enjoyed watching because I... You didn't know if you liked it, but it was there, so you were invested in it. I had no choice. It was either that or read a book.

Yeah, no way. And City Guys was kind of... It was very Saved by the Bell-esque, but it was set in like a New York City school. Yeah. Where one of the characters was actually named Giuliani. Really? Yeah, it was, wait, it was Cassidy Giuliani. She was the aspiring actress.

I'm about to take a trip down memory lane. I know, I'm Googling city guys right now. Roll with the city guys. Cassidy Giuliani. There's also somebody named L. Train Johnson. Does that sound familiar? Am I looking at the right Wikipedia? Wow.

I've got to say, I'm surprised to see IMDb. It has a 7.3 out of 10 rating. In our five seasons. 7.9 out of 10 on TV.com. Yeah. So this was an acclaimed show. It was a critically acclaimed half hour teen com i'm looking at a graphic for it side by side with the picture of hang time and it

i can't tell it's two different shows uh well hang time had the female basketball player yeah uh and anthony anderson city. Yeah, City Guys had had Rufio from Hook's brother. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Star power. Star power.

Yeah, I'm like, it was such like a faceless show. Yeah, no, it was. It just took up time. It really did. That's like the perfect way to describe it. Like, there's nothing memorable about it. It was just like a TV show.

But you sincerely enjoyed it. You would sit around and get invested in these. I honestly don't know. That's the thing. I watched it every single day after school. And this is the fascinating thing about it. I can't tell you one episode from City Guys. I could name every episode of every other show I watched when I was a kid.

But I cannot tell you an episode of city guys kind of like me with licorice if it's around i'll eat it you know but like i couldn't tell you if i liked it or not yeah i don't not like it now you can do that but i guarantee you can probably guess like i guarantee at one point one of the main characters had to go on a date with two different girls oh yeah it's that type of show where it was like, hey, what's the story that's been told a million times? Let's tell it a million and one times. There's probably an episode where a character

fakes sick from school so they can go see a band play. Yeah. Or like the New York Mets and then they appear on the screen. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, what do I do? Yeah. I bet there's one where somebody has some problems at home and they do a serious version of it. Yeah. I bet there's one where somebody has some problems at home, and they do, like, a serious version of it.

Yeah, of course. A serious episode. And that's the one where the main character, who's, like, kind of always quick-witted, cries and gets hugged by an adult. Yeah, and the audience claps. But by the end, it's okay. Yeah, I bet you there's an episode where, you know,

one of their friends from high school is wrapped up with Harvey Keitel, and they have to kill him. Yeah, they've definitely got to kill Harvey Keitel. Classic New York story. It's one of those shows where if the show is on at 2 o'clock at 2.24 p.m. on the dot, the piano music would start coming in as they learn their lesson. Yeah.

I'm looking at the episode recaps, they had one called why y'all clipping a clip show i thought it was one of that was the one where the character had a speech impediment where he couldn't say clapping why everyone was clipping i thought it was the one where everyone was clipping their toenails and and then this one guy who had crazy long toenails just didn't get it. Oh man. In the episode Chicken Run, Jamal is labeled a chicken when he refuses to fight a gang member. Wanting to get rid of that reputation,

he fights the gang member. The gang member pulls out a knife and stabs Chris, who's trying to save Jamal. Holy shit. Yeah. City guys? Really? It gets heavy on city Guys. What the fuck? Wow. That was unlike every episode of City Guys I've ever seen.

Chris lives, but they discover he has AIDS when they do a blood test at the hospital. No, that part's not true. But he did get stabbed, right? Yeah, he did get stabbed. Yeah. Amazing. City Guys, fantastic pick. And now it is time for my fourth pick, the second pick of the fourth round.

And I'm going to pick The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Oh, and he bore with his finest. Oh, wait, was he involved in that? He created it. He created it? Yeah, the guy. The Boritz Report did? Yeah, the guy who writes all of those hilarious New Yorker political stories created the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

Well, listen. Whatever he does in the twilight of his career is fine. But the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Borowitz nailed it. My report on that Borowitz? Yeah. A plus. Two thumbs up. Yeah, fantastic.

I mean, that basically created the structure for all TMBC shows and fucking nailed it. It nailed it. It's so good. The episodes are so fun. Will Smith is amazing. I'm always surprised when a legacy show doesn't have an Emmy. How does that not win an Emmy? I think it was the first show starring

a black guy. Yeah, right? Now that the Cosby show never existed. It didn't exist. They never made it. I remember there was a time in my life where a very hard decision I had to make Because now that the Cosby Show never existed. Yeah, it didn't exist. Yeah, it didn't exist. They never made it. Why would they make it? There was a time in my life where a very hard decision I had to make was, tonight, do I watch Fresh Prince or do I watch Uncle Buck the TV show? Because they were airing at the same time on different networks, and I wanted to watch them both so bad, and I had to choose every week. Did you choose Fresh Prince?

I think at first I started choosing Uncle Buck, but then I went back to Fresh Prince. And that's why Uncle Buck got canceled. You abandoned it. I'm sorry, Buckheads. Hey, Buckfaces. I'm sorry, Buckethead. Hey, what the Buckers. Hey, Mother Buckers.

What the Buckstafarians. Do you guys want to start an Uncle Buck Guys podcast? Yeah, what the buck. Lock the gates. I have a podcast where a couple of girls recap Uncle Buck, and it's called Aunt Bucks. By the way, I love Fresh Prince Bel-Air. It's so good. Yeah.

It was on every Monday, and I loved watching it. It just has great, it has classic episodes. They were so good at doing the serious turn, too. I mean, the dad episode. Oh, my God. It's one of Will Smith's finest moments. Why he ain't want me no more? Yeah, I mean, I think that's Obama's biggest failure as president,

is there's not a statue of that outside of the White House. It should be inside the White House. It should be in the Oval Office, just in the middle of it. Why he don't want me no more. Why he don't want me no more. It's so good. And the guy who plays Uncle Phil, James Avery, RIP this year. Fucking 2016.

I think it was this year. I think it was this year, yeah. Oh, no, it was 2013. Never mind. Fucking 2013. So much happiness that year. It was so good. They ruined it.

But, like, he was so good in that scene. When he, like, hugged him. He hugged him. Like, that dude is built for meaningful hugs. His body type is meaningful hugs. And that show had everything. It had babes. I mean, Hillary was like one of my earliest crushes. Hillary was such a babe.

Tatiana Ali was one of my... Such a babe. I loved Lisa. It was our introduction. It was the white world's introduction to Tyra Banks. Yeah. Who played Will Smith's girlfriend in it? Who played Ashley? That was Tatiana Ali. I just remember her name was Lisa, Will Smith's girlfriend. I had the biggest crush on Ashley. Ashley? That was Ali. Tatiana Ali.

I just remember her name was Lisa, Will Smith's girlfriend. I had the biggest crush on Ashley when I was a kid. Knee along. Knee along, dude. Yeah. Fucking knee along. So hot. Two Aunt Vivs. Two Aunt Vivs.

Yeah, I remember. I didn't even have one. Guys, imagine the statement it could have made if their butler was white. Whoa. It wasn't, though. He was British. I know. Jeffrey.

That was another. It was America's first exposure to a black British person. Slick Rick and Jeffrey. Yeah. Yeah. It was so good. I really love that. I mean, like the.

Oh, it's so good. Yeah. When they do it. Jump on it. Apache. Yeah. Yeah. Apache. That. Oh, my God. That scene's so good. Yeah, when they do it to Apache. Yeah, Apache. That, oh my God. That scene is so good. He was dressed all cool when he flipped his jacket inside out.

I was just about to say when he turned his jacket inside out. He looked fucking rad. He really did. It was such a good TV show. And can we say right now, I mean, I know you're probably going to do a whole episode on the most charismatic people to ever be alive. Oh, that's a great episode. But Will Smith is number one. He's the most charismatic person to ever be alive.

No one has more charisma. No. Like, to the point where, like, every young black actor for, like, 15 years after him has been doing Will Smith. They've been doing Will Smith. You can't have Nick Cannon if you don't have Will Smith. No. The whole what had happened was pure Will Smith. What had happened was Will Smith. You can't have Nick Cannon if you don't have Will Smith. No. The whole what happened was pure Will Smith. What happened

was Will Smith. Yeah. Maybe a little bit of Martin Lawrence. It's definitely bad boys though. It is bad boys. Yeah. Bad boys created the world that we all live in. Absolutely. And I thank God for them every single day. They're what bad boys made America great for the first time. Yes. So that's

what Trump's trying to do is get it back to three bad boys we want to get back to the the minute after bad boys dropped in theaters that was it and if you would have articulated that better i think there'd be a lot less oh that yeah i love that time absolutely yeah um that but he only did those made those speeches in swing states he didn't come to California and say that. Yeah. He couldn't win. The Fresh Prince, it's so good.

It's so good. The last episode's great. From first episode to last episode, it's fantastic. Shame on American television for not giving it an Emmy. Yeah. I can't believe it didn't get an Emmy. But it did not get an Emmy. And neither did...

Emmy's so white. Emmy's so white. Whatever show... Emmy's so white. Whatever show Sean O'Connor's about to take. With my next pick, I'm picking Late Night with Seth Meyers. Yeah, fuck you! Are you really? I've got to pick it. Alright! I've got to pick it, and I want you to know the reason why I'm picking it

is because I'm a punk. I'm a fucking punk. You're a punk? You don't give a darn about nobody. I'm a punk? Hey, back off want you to know the reason why I'm picking it is because I'm a fucking punk. You're a punk? I don't give a darn about nobody. I'm a punk? Hey, get off my back, bruh. I mean, I've never watched the full episode of it, but I really like his bigger, closer looks, and I like Popsicle's schtick. I love Popsicle's schtick. Popsicle's schtick is good.

And I liked all the stuff that Conor O'Malley did. Conor O'Malley stuff was great. That's why it's my fourth pick. And also, do anger people at the Late Late Show. Who definitely listen to this podcast. Do they? No, only Steve Lustig. Shout out to Steve Lustig.

Yeah, what up, Steve? The tech guy. He's the only guy who listens to the podcast. Ben Winston's listened to half of one. It was like I said he enjoyed it. Oh, good. But he's never going to make it through all of them. Now he's got a baby, too.

Of course. Unless the baby becomes a fan of the podcast. And he'll never listen to this because he believes they really want an Emmy. He would assume that, like, why would I listen to that? I know you just picked The Late Late Show 15 times. Of course. 15 times. And I would love to pick it, but you guys did win an Emmy.

We did technically win. We won an Emmy. We won an Emmy. We were the first dude to get to hold it. Yeah, we won an Emmy. We weren't invited to the ceremony itself.

Yeah, and that's why I'm picking Late Late Show. Yeah. Late Night with Seth Meyers. Kaplan got to go. We didn't get to go. Late Night with Seth Meyers. Yes.

They were invited. You're number four. All right. I can't think of any other stuff. Fred Armisen occasionally works there. You know what? They should get nominated for an Emmy. They're good.

They should. They do fun stuff that's within the late night work. They have, and I will say that even though we work for the Late Late Show, which is a really great show, one cool thing that Late with Seth Meyers does, they sort of pick up the Conan idea. Yes. They're of torchbearers for that of what a 1230 show was. I think they do a great job of doing like Coney type,

like just like goofy late night stuff. Yeah. And like, they really hit hard on political stuff. They're great at the political stuff too. They don't shy away from anything. I, that I love the late, late show. I think the late, the late late show is great yeah i would love to have picked it

but it just wasn't funny to me to pick it yeah it wasn't it's not a funny pick it won an emmy though yeah and it won an emmy but yeah like seth meyers i really feel like the people who want the young kids who watch seth meyers he might be churning out like the next generation of comedy writers and i kind of respect that because had conan been doing what what fallon does now yeah i wouldn't have liked conan as a kid right so like and then i wouldn't have gotten into comedy so seth meyers is doing something that i think is important to the future it's yeoman's work. Excellently navigated. Saying that, Sean. Fallon on purpose. They do do

a really good job. Seth Meyers is so good. It was fun to watch from Jump Street, too, the way they navigated. It was a clumsy launch. You know, they like... Oh, it sucked for a while. It was really bad, but he figured out the monologue. He took it behind the desk.

I remember when they first launched, didn't they have the guests on high chairs or something like that? Yeah, it was just swings and misses. But then they got into a groove, and they like putting their writers on TV. Which we really appreciate that. Yep. I do like that. Not that I want to be on TV. No, never. And Corden want to be on TV. No.

Never. And Corden's the greatest guy in the world. Corden is the greatest guy in the world. He really is. He rocks. Ben's great. Corden's great. We love him. Yeah.

Much love. But you guys won an Emmy. Yeah. And hopefully Seth Meyers won. Hopefully that's enough. Hopefully the Emmy is better than getting picked fourth. Yeah. The show has never won an Emmy.

And then my fifth pick. Yes. My fifth pick for shows that have never won an Emmy I am going to choose Skins It's I love Skins Skins to me is Love Skins

My The OC is my current obsession but Skins is like a Lifelong favorite show. It's so great. It's real teens. It's made in England, so the teens are kind of ugly. But super hot. Super hot, but kind of ugly.

That's what British hot is. They're hot with flaws. Yeah. Kate Hudson, who's like their – not Kate Hudson. Kate – Keira Knightley. Middleton. Not Kate Middleton.

That model, Kate Moss. Kate Moss. Kate. Keira Knightley. Middleton. Not Kate Middleton. That model, Kate Moss. Kate Moss. Yeah. Who is like one of the most accomplished supermodels of all time. Kind of ugly hot. British. Oh, of course. Yeah.

Like the first. All right. So Skins churned out. They have Nicholas Holt. That's one of theirs. Oh, yeah. He's handsome. Then they have Dev Patel from Slumdog Millionaire.

Fucking love him. Yeah. Great. I think. I know of him as from the, oh God, I'm blowing it on references. What was Aaron Sorkin's last show he did? Oh, Newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. Newsroom's Dev Patel.

Newsroom's Dev Patel. Who else came from that show? Oh, Jack O'Connell, who was in Money Monster. Oh, yeah. He played the non-Money Monster. He plays Money Monster in money monster um hannah murray who is he's in he's gilly in game of thrones oh yeah game of thrones she's also in uh stewart townsend's uh musical god help the girl oh that's right from skins is like a sex

show right skins is just like what it's like. Basically, what Skins informed me to is that if you live in England and you don't grow up in London. Yeah. Basically, you go buck wild when you are 16 to 18. Yeah. And then you start your boring life and you just work until you die. Really? Yeah. and you just work until you die. Really? And that's what that show's about, is it's just those two years where you go crazy before you, like, buckle down and your life is boring.

You just fucking party for two years. Yeah, so it's just, like, it's all just, like, ecstasy, smoking pot, fucking, like, and it's, like, all really dark. But there's also a great love story between a nerd stand-in. An actual nerd? like like I could beat him up like it in America they would change literally every single thing about him right yeah he has like they did did you see the fucking yeah MTV version yeah Sid and then he falls in love with

Cassie who has an eating disorder and it like really like every episode focuses on one character while advancing the whole series storyline yeah and they've like kill cast members like in surprising ways and surprising episodes that you didn't expect an elephant gores one to death yeah it's like it's like truly a show where it's like yeah like being young and british if you're not rich fucking sucks yeah it's like it's like truly a show where it's like yeah like being young and british if you're not rich fucking sucks yeah it's all your shows have one thing in common and that's babes yeah babes teens teen babes teen babes like seth meyers yeah so skins the milo ventimiglia every two seasons on skins they change the cast over yeah and oh because it's just about those

two years yeah yeah um so i watched the first two groups yeah but i didn't watch the final group and then there's a another season that's like some of the characters from the first two groups like years later what they're doing they get spin-off movies oh yeah oh cool and those movies like the uh they're super sad the cook one though is fucking awesome cookwood's great the cook one is basically cook is the biggest piece of shit his entire two years yeah you hate cook like you. You're like, he's borderline a racist, a rapist. Like, he's the worst dude. He's the true villain of the show.

Yeah, true villain of the show. But then by the last scene of his season, you're like, so Cook was the best character. And then Cook gets a movie, and the movie is like a depressing Manchester version of Drive. Oh, really? Yeah. It's so crazy. It's amazing. Like, Cook is... What? I might have to see

the British shoot TV in such a cool way. I remember... They really do. You should watch it. It's never taxing. It's always fun. It's, um... Yeah, sometimes the show gets too real and too sad, but it's awesome. Yeah, I've wept during real and too sad. But it's awesome.

Yeah, I've wept during that show. Really? Yeah. And it's like a half hour kind of... It's a team... What is the equivalent in America? It's a full hour. It's a full hour. It's a full hour.

It's relentless. Yeah. Also, the great thing about the first group is when it starts, you hate a lot of them. And then by the end of it, you love the ones that you hated. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'll definitely check out Skins.

And it's sexy as hell. It is. Yeah, there's like a lot. Teen heat. I love teen heat. A lot of teen heat. I love teen heat. You love teen heat.

By the time the third cast comes in, they're like a little too young because like when I started watching. I never watched the third one. Yeah, I had gotten older and I was like, oh, I'm like 28 and they're like a little too young because like when i started watching i never watched that old one yeah i had gotten older and i was like oh i'm like 28 and they're 16 like this isn't cool this is a um fantastic with my with moving on uh from anything else to say about skins just check out skins oh the the american version was so fucking bad it was like it literally took out everything that makes the British one good. Yeah. And do you know why it's called Skins? Why?

Because that's what they call condoms. Oh. They call them Skins. Which is ironic. Wait, no, they don't. That's not what they're called. Oh, like lambskins? They call them rubbers.

The Skins are what they roll their pot with. I thought that... So, like, do you have the skins? I need to go back and re-watch the show then. Because every time they said skins, I thought they were talking about condoms. Also, you've been wrapping up your dick in rolling papers. What? Whoa.

I got a lot of kids to claim. And that's the hook. I'm sorry. Nate Fernald has a lot of kids to claim. And that's the hook. Nate Fernald has a lot of kids to claim. Nate Fernald doesn't have it. Nate Fernald just fucked wrapping paper. A very seasonal fucking wrapping paper. Oh, yeah. So my picks are done,

and you can find them this fall on Teen Heat. On Teen Heat. Sean's new all-Thursday-night lineup. His new Roku channel, Teen Heat. Which will have to be on NBC, I guess, because Seth Meyers is there already. All right. With my final pick, I am going to take, ooh, this is a tough one.

It's tough, but I think I'm going to take Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Nice. Which never won an Emmy. Of course, how could it win an Emmy? never never never won an Emmy of course how could it win an Emmy but it was it came to me like when I was a either a freshman or a sophomore in college was the first time I saw it up until then like I was always like kind of funny but I didn't and I was weird I was like weird funny too but like I didn't know that was like a thing I thought that's like you didn't know you could harness that I didn't know it could be harnessed. I didn't know they would ever make, like, a TV show

out of the style of humor that, like, me and my friends, like, kind of would use to make each other laugh. Yeah. Just, like, pure absurdism and, like, stuff like that. Not that Aqua 2 is pure absurdism, but it was, like, close, you know? Oh, yeah, no, it's, like, there's definitely, like, a nonsensical

element to that show. It's fucking crazy. And, like, some of the characters they had on it I mean like Ignignok and Ur were amazing the toy that was played by David Cross it was like that depressed toy. It was just so

fucking funny and I loved it. I discovered it at just the right time and they had cool music on there too like Spoonie G specifically. See that is discovered it at just the right time and they had cool music on there too like uh like spoony g specifically yes that is that is the thing too that i think like really enhances a show yeah is the music it's so weird like i almost said how i met your mother but how i met your mother also used great music on our show yeah like that is the thing like and i think it's come up multiple times of all these shows have used cool music with

the exception of Exo Squad. No, no. Exo Squad. Built to spill soundtrack Exo Squad. Gilmore Girls even has cool music on it. One question I have about Gilmore Girls, which is probably very annoying to anyone listening. Did they have a place where people would perform? Just out in the square.

There's an episode about dueling troubadours. Okay. And one of them was Grant Lee Buffalo. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that stuff.

Carole King plays a character in it. It's great, yeah. They started a band with Sebastian Bach at one point. Wait, is this Sebastian Bach? Am I doing that right? Yeah, I think he was on Gilmore Girls. Yeah, Sebastian Bach girls i remember because he was also on vh1 super group at the same time yeah sebastian that was the year of bach they're bigger than anything in the 80s but uh yeah aqua tuna that carl is one of my favorite characters of all time so funny i'm such a meat

wad funny i'm a meat wad too i can kind of do a Meatwad voice. That's very good. Meatwad. Whoa. Oh wow. Yeah. See? Really good. It's a pretty good Meatwad, right?

It's weird seeing it come out of a person. I was the voice of Meatwad. Just so everyone knows, the way Ian's doing it is he's holding his butt cheeks up to the microphone and it's coming out of his butt. I'm going to get caught up and pass out in my house. Just so everyone knows, I was literally about to say that exactly. Well, the only way to do meatwad is with your meatwad. If nobody's seen Aqua, I even like the movie. Aqua Teenage.

I haven't seen the movie. I love the show, though. Yeah. It's fun. It's just, it's 15 minutes. I think the pure, other than maybe Eric Andre, it's the purest version of what Adult Swim kind of set out to do yeah it does

it seems like peak Adult Swim it's peak Adult Swim it's early Adult Swim and also peak Adult Swim before they got exposed for being sexist

and racist and racist with their weird fucking alright show which is just unwatchable it's bad can we

oh sorry wait that's actually nate's last pick oh i don't know if you guys don't like it i won't pick it million dollar stream was bad and like and it was very clear to see what it was trying to do and it was like shut up you fucking that's the crazy thing with me is like um i mean great i've heard a lot of stuff where like the censors had to be like we're gonna remove these swastikas that you've hidden in it before we put it on there but like i i watched episode of the show and i was like i'm not offended by this but i just don't think it's very funny it's not yeah what it felt like was it was a bunch of like guys who think if they're super they just it came off like guys who used to be in punk bands

trying to do a real punk art comedy show. Yeah. So they're like, we're being subversive with all these swastikas. And it's like, no, that's not the joke. The joke is that you're actually racist. Yeah, you guys are actually kind of... And now because we said this,

we're all going to get trolled for the rest of our lives on the internet. Right, exactly. I don't think any alt-right people listen to all fantasy. What if they do, Shalom? Oh, thank God. They're fantasy-drafting the next Hitler.

They thought they... They were searching for... They were searching for alt-fantasy everything. Alt-fantasy everything is different, yeah. 15 cucks. They dropped the top 15 cucks um but yeah aqua t and hunger force good million dollar extreme fucking try try harder or try less hard or just try anything like it's just like some things don't need to be rebelled against like yeah like the idea you're

not being like iconoclastic by bringing back swastikas and shit like no it's also weird because i read it in an interview with that guy sam hyde he was like yeah just like i'm tired of like feminists saying everything's like sexist so that's what our show's about it's like yeah but like cool stance to take yeah does a white guy really need to comment on that things were sexy if you're gonna like talk about like i understand the PC culture needs to be skewed. It absolutely does. But it's just like, this ain't the way, kid. No, no.

You don't have to take down feminists. Yeah. Or even the idea of feminism. You can take down whatever. Yeah. People being over PC, like, I don't think anyone likes that. But the people who are really fighting against it just tend to be the worst people. They're like, I just want to be able to call a woman a cunt.

I want to look her in her cunty eyes and just say, hey, get out of here, cunt. Suck my dick. It's just not fair. Look, you just said cunt several times on a podcast. Nothing will happen to you. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. You can say it.

It's just the way you want to say it is wrong. Right, yeah. You can say it. It's just the way you want to say it is wrong. Right, yeah. I think nothing is, like, lamer than trying to get a rise out of people for the sake of getting a rise out of someone. Completely, yeah. Like, that's just, like, one of the guys from that show was, like, tweeting at, like, Patton Oswalt being, like, you killed your wife. And just, like, what, like.

For what? And it's, like, hey, I understand you may not like this guy because you have different political views from him or whatever. But, like, to do that, like, no, that's just being an asshole and accomplishing nothing. It's just being a fucking prick. It's not doing anything. Like, yeah. Fuck them. Anyway, let's end on a positive note.

Nate, it's time for your fifth pick. Your final pick of the draft. We just talked about it for a while. It's okay. So my final pick, it's a bit of odd choice uh because i can't tell you a single thing that happened in the show okay but i remember it being so important in my life and i really want to go back and watch it because like i know that it influenced me yes uh and that is parker lewis can't lose oh yeah i remember nothing but i loved it i know i remember watching the show and being

like this is so like i, I remember, the only thing I remember is that Parker Lewis could open his locker and then went into his locker and there was like a secret room behind it and that's where him and his friends hung out. I remember that. And I just remember like, it was a show about like cool nerds. It was supposed to like, it was supposed to be Ferris Bueller. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, Ferris Bueller was a cool nerd.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Kind of a smooth, cool nerd. And it's, yeah, like, I need to go back and watch it. It was, the show lasted for three seasons. Three full seasons on Fox. I think it was Fox. Big episode orders, though.

Yeah. In those three seasons. 26, 25, 22. Yeah. That's a lot of TV. And I remember, yeah, there's a lot of fourth yeah it's a lot of tv and i remember yeah and there's a lot of fourth wall breaking a lot of like surreal stuff happening in it and it's like you know stuff i'm very into and and again like i i can't tell you a single episode of it but i know that i remember watching it being like this is such a cool show it was cool i remember seeing

a few i remember seeing it too. I definitely watched it. It was, they did cool stuff. It was, it broke down TV barriers in a way that like other kids shows

weren't doing. I guess Saved by the Bell had fourth world moments and stuff. It wasn't a kid show. I think it was on prime time. It was on prime time. Oh, was it on for kids?

It was a prime time, yes. It was like, that was also like one of the other moments where Fox was like super cutting edge. Yeah. It had Simpsons, Parker Lewis Can't Lose, Herman's Head. Yeah.

Oh, it had the offensive lineman from the program in it. And the DVDs were put up by Shout Factory, which, you know, puts out pretty much only cool stuff. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, this is more of a, I, I don't have a lot I can say about this. It's more of a reminder to myself to go back and watch it. To watch it.

And for all of us to watch it together. That's, that's totally fine. It was, yeah. I don't have anything to say about it. I know. No,

I know. What a weird way to end the show is like, none of us have anything to say about this. A show that none of us can remember, but we all think is good. Yeah. Yeah. Which is poetic in kind of a way.

Let's do a follow-up episode to this. We will have – there will be an adjoined episode to this where we have all seen one episode of Parker Lewis Can't Lose. It took place in a high school though, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Adults can watch a show that takes place in a high school. Make more of those.

And I'm looking at I agree completely we are allowed to watch shows set in high school they're there to actually make you feel nostalgic for it the guy who created Parker Lewis Can't Lose has had quite the career he started uh doing like the mash

spinoffs and stuff like that then then he created parker lewis can't lose then he uh developed dexter did he really yeah then he developed nurse jackie and then he created feed the beast on amc starring david schwimmer oh yeah He's also an executive producer of Get Real. And, yeah, cool. It had John Panetta in it. Stand-up comedy legend John Panetta. Oh, wow, a young John Panetta. Yeah, young John Panetta was in it.

Wow, yeah, look at that. Clyde B. Phillips. Yeah. Amazing. Well, that's a fantastic show to go out on. Yeah. I mean, it's as good as any it's it's kind of a it leaves an open it's an open-ended thing exactly like i can't wait to see how people vote on this i mean you have more comedy than anyone yes i was going for deep cuts you were

going for deep cuts you are you are you are trying to program a channel that's strictly for nate yeah well i was trying i was trying to give people some discoveries that they've maybe never heard of. That was a good strategy. And you're all teen heat. I'm teen heat. John's all teen heat. Teen heat, deep cuts. And I had more mainstream ones.

Yeah. So just to go over what we picked again, Sean, you started off with the OC. Yeah. And then Veronica Mars. And then Life As We Know It. And then Late Night with Seth Meyers. Teen heat. Teen heat. And then you Late Night with Seth Meyers. Teen Heat. Teen Heat.

And then you ended it with Skins. Oh, Teen Heat. More Teen Heat. I went with The Wire, Gilmore Girls, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Very mainstream. Very mainstream stuff. Yeah, Aqua Teen, hella mainstream.

It's as mainstream as Adult Swim kind of got, right? Got a movie. Yeah. And then Nate, you went with Opposite Sex, The Weber Show, Exo Squad, City Guys, and Parker Lewis. I can't believe you picked City Guys.

You even prefaced it by saying, I don't even know if I liked this show. We left some interesting shows on the board. Freaks and Geeks did not get picked. But referenced a bunch. But referenced a lot. There's a lot of shows that I love, but I just assumed that they'd won Emmys.

That one never won an Emmy. I watched Freaks and Geeks and I enjoyed Freaks and Geeks, but it's not one of my... I like all the shows I listed more. I like all the shows I listed more than Freaks and Geeks. And I like Freaks and Geeks a lot. I like Freaks and Geeks more than all the shows i listed more i like all the shows i listed more than freaks and geeks and i like freaks and geeks a lot i like freaks and geeks more than all the shows i listen more oh i do i do i do like freaks and geeks more than seth meyer yeah that's true um yeah i like freaks and geeks more than it's it's maybe neck and neck with exo squad and maybe opposite sex but i like it more than everything else yeah yeah it yeah. It would be real, real.

Community was a never one. Really? Parks and Rec never won. Beavis and Butthead. I definitely would have picked Parks and Rec. I almost picked Law and Order, Criminal Intent, which is the D'Onofrio one. Oh, okay. Which is my favorite Law and Order.

That's so weird. Yeah, D'Onofrio, anyway. Yeah, we left the Monsters. Roseanne? I started the monsters. Roseanne. I started writing. Roseanne never won an Emmy? No. Famously never won a series Emmy.

I started writing a spec script that was an episode of Law and Order where at the beginning they find a dead woman. Yeah. And then it turns out the last person to see her was Chandler Bing. So it's a crossover. It's a Law and Order friends crossover. It makes New York feel way smaller yeah and then

I remember there's one line where Chandler goes if anyone asks her last words were Chandler Bing was the best lover I ever had

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