All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg - Tony Robbins | All-In Live from Miami

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

(0:00) The Besties welcome Tony Robbins! (0:23) Tony's background and how it led to his career (8:19) Why progress correlates to happiness, state of the younger generation, biochemistry studies (21:53) SSRIs, psychedelics, importance of personal moonshots (31:49) Maintaining focus while managing multiple businesses (36:37) Thoughts on longevity (42:44) Partner shoutouts: Thanks to OKX, Circle, Polymarket, Solana, BVNK, and Google Cloud! Check out OKX: https://www.okx.com Check out Circle: https://www.circle.com Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

Our next guest needs no introduction, Tony Robbins. You have to figure that. Like I always say, if you want to take the island and burn the boats, I got a chance to work with the President of the United States, Quentin, and he calls me one day, true story, and says, Tony, they're going to impeach me in the morning. How many of you have ever achieved a goal you worked your guts out for and then achieved it and went, is this all there is? Horrific, horrible.

It's great to meet you. Thank you. You're bigger in person. You're a big man. Compared to what? A normal human. Okay. You're large.

You're like 2G. Let me see your hands. Yeah. There you go. There you go. You're a big guy. You're glad he just said his hand. Yeah.

It could have got really interesting. You're true. True. I mean, maybe not if he was in the cold plunge. You never know. Okay, enough. When I told people you were coming, I got like a range of responses. And your poor assistant chief of staff is in a total panic about all the questions I'm going to ask you. I don't care.

Yes, I know you don't care. But I got the range of the infomercial guy. He has had a profound impact on my life from very significant friends of mine who we know in common who have been to your seminars to he's kind of a guru self help. It's all kind of like snake oil. I want to know where this all started, because my perception of you was the late night when I was growing up in the 80s, the infomercials. And then I looked into it. And I started looking into the self help space. You actually were inspired by a self help guru who you went to work for in the I think the late 70s. Yeah, Jim Rohn. Rohn yeah Jim Rohn and you have been on this for a while and a lot of the techniques

that you studied are very real there these are real techniques in shocks in psychology and when I looked at them and I was looking at the history of it you know you look at Ralph Waldo Emerson self-reliance Freud Young NLP natural Neuro-linguistic programming and even L Ron Hubbard who took it in a different direction a lot of these self-help things Are you getting to a question? I am I am Went down the rabbit hole

Is Tony Robbins and why did you get addicted to all this self-help stuff? And then it's kind of been packaged in a couple different ways in your life. So I'm curious, this sort of arc of how you got into this and then what you do for people now because my friend Mark Pinkes and then we have Benny off a friend of the show, my friend Kevin Rose, these guys and then civilians I have one of my wife's friends goes and runs over Coles With you in Hawaii and she she's a makeup artist and she loves it and she can't shut up about it So tell me how you got into self-help

How you package it and why you decided to be a coach and do these seminars instead of starting a cult or religion? be a coach and do these seminars instead of starting a cult or religion. I got unpacked that. Well, people know me at different stages. I was on television every 30 minutes, 24 hours a day for about 12 years during the commercial days. And I hated infomercials, but there was no real vehicle. You could get out to a mass number of people

other than writing a book and most people don't read. So, but it started for me. I grew up in a pretty tough environment. I was born in downtown LA, I had four different fathers, I had a very powerful mom who I loved dearly since past. Beautiful soul, I created a lot of my success to her. But also when she drank alcohol and took prescription drugs, she was a different person, very violent.

I have a younger brother, younger sister. So I really became a practical psychologist in my youth, learning how to manage her emotions in her states and how to really get things done. And then, probably the thing that changed my life the most though, was when I was 11 years old, my fourth father, and he got fired from his job and it was Thanksgiving, we had no money and no food.

When I say no food, we had crackers and peanut butter, but not a Thanksgiving dinner, which is kind of depressing. And my parents were fighting and saying things you can never take back. And I was trying to make my brother and sister not hear it. And my life was changed because someone came to the door. I opened it, big guy, two bags of groceries in his hand, and a frozen turkey uncooked in a pan on the ground.

He'd obviously carried it in a set down. He said, is your father here? And I was like, just one moment. And I thought it was going to be the most joyous moment, but my father was angry because he felt humiliated. He looked at it as charity and said, we don't accept that. And long story short, the man said, I'm the delivery guy

and my dad had to take the food. And that day changed my life because my father left shortly thereafter and I really loved him. He's the one who adopted me and I carry his name. But it also, our life is determined, I think, by the meanings we give to things. Is this the end or the beginning? Is this person dissing me? Are they coaching me? Are they loving life? his name, but it also, our life is determined, I think, by the meanings we give to things. You know, is this the end or the beginning? Is this person dissing me? Are they coaching me?

Are they loving on me? Whatever you decide controls your life. And I was fortunate enough at that point that I came up with a different meaning. We grew up in an environment I thought was a wealthy community. It was very low middle class, to say the least, and we were on the other side of the railroad tracks and it looked like nobody cared and nobody, my father kept saying, no one cares about anybody else. But this was new evidence for me. It was like, if a stranger doesn't even want credit, is delivering my family Thanksgiving dinner,

then strangers do care, and I need to care about strangers. And so I promised myself at 11 years old, that someday I'd do this back and feed at least two families. And then, you know, I grew up and I started studying patterns. I started seeing that everything is a pattern. You know, all of you know, as you're an investor, if you're a great CEO, if you're a great dancer, musician, it's really because you recognize patterns.

Things are no longer chaos for you. You see what's going on, so you have the power of anticipation. And then the second skill, I think, I try to teach this to all my kids and grandkids. I have five kids and five grandkids. I have a 50-year- year old daughter and thanks to COVID, a four year old daughter.

And I'm saying, what do I need them to know? The world is changing so fast. They have to be able to recognize patterns, step two, utilize them. That's where the power is. And if you do it long enough, if you play someone else's music long enough, some of you starts to come through

and you start to be a creator of patterns. That's when you become masterful. Those are the people we know in investing. You know all their names or in business or anything else. And so once I learned that, I realized there's nothing wrong with people. We just get caught up in patterns and we do them so long we think they're us.

And it's hard to change you. Easy to change a pattern. And I got really good at it. And so I changed my body, I changed my finances. People started coming to me. And then gradually it became my full-time focus. And I began to have people calling me as I started producing results. And I began to have people calling me

as I started producing results. And I'd get these athletes that would call, like Serena Williams, and she's melting down, and she can't get on the court because her sister just died. And she's lost recently, and she's, you know, she's gun-shy. And I gotta right now turn her around,

and there's no net. So fortunately, I've been able to do that over and over again. It built my career and brought me to a lot of sports teams, and I own some of those sports teams, pieces of them. And, but then I also started looking, okay, I started working with people that are depressed and suicidal and knock on wood.

I don't know. Did any of you see Tony Robinson, I'm not your guru on Netflix, anybody here? So if you haven't seen it, you can see, thank you. You see the work, but we follow up 10 years later. You see the people are still in great shape because we're rewiring the way the brain works. It's not a bunch of pump up.

I do use energy, because without energy, nothing changes. But you can't just have energy, you need strategy. And so as I did that, you know, I'll give you a perfect example, I'm 31 years old, and career's starting to soar, and then I got a chance to work with the President of the United States, Clinton, and he calls me one day, true story, and says, Tony, they're gonna impeach me in the morning, What should I do?

I'm 31 years old, and the president's asked me, I said, could you call me sooner? You know, this is like tomorrow morning, but because there's no net, my brain figured it out. You have to figure it out. It's like I always say, if you wanna take the island, you burn the boats. And then I got good at-

Sorry, Tony, what did you tell him? Pardon me? What did you tell him? I can't tell you that. Okay. I have to ask. That's a private thing I'll tell you if you want to know. I don't share unless somebody shares. But what I will tell you is I got good

in studying businesses and became an entrepreneur. And so now I have 114 companies in massively different industries. But we do about $9 billion, a little bit more in revenue. And I love the diversity. So I get to work with athletes. The team you're formerly ownership and I have a little piece of. Peter Goober is one of my dearest friends as you

probably know. And so I've gotten to work with you know some of the greatest athletes in the world, some of the greatest musicians, some of the greatest entertainers, some of the greatest entrepreneurs and I don't go there just to teach them. Can I ask you a societal question? Sure. Okay so you've been in some ways diagnosing what ails people for, let's say, 40 years now. Yes. Every society has its own pothole. And maybe teenagers and young people today

suffer from a very different thing that maybe Jason, myself, and Freeberg did at our ages. Can you diagnose the level of happiness and sadness and satisfaction, dissatisfaction that this current young generation has relative to other younger generations and where it's different and where it's the same? I don't think I'm the only one that can see it.

I think expectations, you know, I always tell people expectations are what make you really unhappy. And we can't not have any obviously, but trade your expectations for appreciation, your life changes. But our expectations now are controlled more by social media, especially that generation, right? So they're seeing people that are incredibly wealthy and thinking that's who I should be and feeling like they don't have anything.

I mean, what turned people in the Soviet Union against the Soviet Union when they got access to seeing how the Westerners lived? Then things changed. When they didn't see it, it was okay. So today we compare ourselves to others in ways that are not real, because young girls that go on social media, you've seen all the studies, I'm sure,

they get depressed, because they're comparing to images that aren't even real. It's fake. Expectations minus reality equals happiness. And what I really say is progress equals happiness. Like if you are growing, if you are going at something, even if you're not there yet, and you are gonna lose 50 pounds,

and you lose the first five or 10, or you're in a relationship and you finally face what has to be dealt with, or you face your finances, there's a momentum that happens and a aliveness. I mean, I ask all of you here, and those of you in the room, how many of you ever achieved a goal you worked your guts out for and then achieved it and went, is this all there is?

Who's had this experience? I'm curious, right? That's a horrific moment, right? Horrible. It's worse than failure because most of us simply fail. We get back up and figure it out, right? Completely. But try this on for size.

How many of you achieved a goal that you worked your guts out for and you're really proud of it and you were euphoric? Who's had one of those? I'll show a handsome noise out there if you give it to me, all right? So the question is, how long did that good feeling last? Did it last six years? No.

A year? Six months? Six minutes. 10 minutes. Six weeks? Yeah. Six minutes? For most people it's been six minutes

and about six weeks I've found. And so why is that? Because we're meant to grow. In life you grow or you die. The whole universe, you know, in my laws you grow or you die and when you grow you have something to give and unless you're giving something beyond yourself, if it's always a trade,

you don't have any esteem for yourself. You don't have any inner pride. But when you have something to give, that's when life feels more meaningful. Yeah, Jonathan Haidt's book from years ago, The Happiness Hypothesis. Yes, beautiful book. They had a great study in there

on economic progress being the best predictor of happiness. It wasn't the absolute dollars you were earning each year that flatlined after a certain baseline standard of living beyond that standard of living. Once you're able to get food and housing and all the things you need to survive and thrive, what predicted happiness was how much things changed from year to year. The rate of change that he's absolutely right. And I was saying, but there are new studies that add another dynamic. It's also affected by who is in your environment.

And today, who's in your environment because the social media is not real. And so now we're in a place where people evaluate, not by their circle of friends they hang out with, that certainly plays a role, but even more so. And I've always told people, if you want to grow, get on the field of people tenfold of where you are. And if you want to play tennis,

and you're not good at tennis, and you're fortunate enough to sit down with somebody who's world class, like a Serena Williams friend of mine, if you go out and do that, you're terrible. But just to get on the court with her, you've got to get great. If you play against somebody you're better than,

it's only a matter of time before your skills go down as well. So I think our society, people have an expectation today. Also, my original teacher, Jim Rohn, personal development speaker, more of a business philosopher, I went to him one time when I was really young, just beginning with him, and I said, all my fathers are good humans.

Why were we always broke? And I said, and I look at this billionaire hedge fund person, and he made a billion dollars last year, and this school teacher only made, in those days, like $40,000. And he said, Tony, that's fair, but here's what I can suggest to you. We're all equal as souls,

but we're not equal in the marketplace. And he said, if you go to McDonald's and you don't get a living wage, you're not supposed to, it's a first job. Anyone can do that job and learn it in an hour. But he said, if you find a way to add more value to people, because he said to me, can someone make twice as much money in the same time? I said, yeah you find a way to add more value to people, because he said to me, can someone make twice as much money in the same time?

I said, yeah, five times, 100 times? He said, yeah. He said, the guy that made a billion dollars produced a 42% return. Did you know that? Those were people's futures. That was people's college educations. That was their retirements. He is worth it.

You must become assessed on doing more for others than anybody else does. And so that's been my moniker for all my companies and it's been the core. And I think that's what's missing to answer your question. It's like, what is it like going to give me versus the Kennedy days of don't ask what your country can do for you. But how do we help a larger swath of society than unwind the addiction to SSRIs, the kind of doom loop, doom scrolling, like just the general malaise that then manifests in all these weird ways, the inability to talk to each other,

the, you know, cut people off because they voted one way versus another. All this stuff just seems so... Because all of the social media, the mobile, the social, everything's not going away. It's here, it's permeated, and it's not just gonna disappear overnight. But if you study like the youngest generation as they've come forward, they're getting off of even,

they've obviously got a Facebook a long time ago, their parents do that stuff, right? But they're not even on Instagram now, they're going to these individual places that are more intimate. They're wanting not everybody to know what they're doing. The pendulum throws itself so extreme, and then we correct it. It's what we just experienced politically. It's the same thing. So it's easy to rationalize that. But I'll tell you, Stanford came to me during the COVID time, the period, and they came to me because two of their professors had gone through my date with Essing Center.

It's a five day total immersion where you rewire yourself, decide what you want. I don't tell you what your values are, how you're gonna live your life. And both of them had been on medication, both were clinically depressed, and they came back and he said they have no symptoms both of them had been on medication. Both were clinically depressed. And they came back. And he said, they have no symptoms.

They're off all their medication. How does this happen? So we had this long conversation. He said, well, do you have some data? I said, well, I have millions of graduates, you know, and stories. He goes, no, no, like scientific data. I said, no, but I'd be open to doing a study.

So during COVID. Oh, wow, to longitudinally follow the people that have. Yes. Yes. And so he took, but they put people in, they did their own study. Because I said, if we're going to do this, tell me what the standards, what are the meta studies show? Like how many people get well through traditional approaches of drugs and therapy?

You know, I don't know if you're aware of it, it's crazy. 60% of the people who use drugs or therapy to try and get out of depression make zero improvement, 60%. 40% improve, he shared with me, but the average improvement is 50%. Most are on drugs the rest of their life. And he goes, I said, you should be able to do that with a placebo. And he laughed and said, pardon me? It's true, in fact.

And he said, yeah, sort of. And I said, well, I know it sounds like hubris or arrogance, but it's not, it's just done this so long. I said, we will destroy that. I said, what's the best study you've ever done? They said it was John Hopkins, now it's, I think it's been about eight years ago. And they gave people psilocybin, magic mushrooms, and

cognitive therapy for a month. I said well something had to change that kind of biochemical shift, right? And it was the greatest, up until that point, the greatest result they'd ever seen in psychiatry. At the end of six weeks, 53% of the people had no symptoms whatsoever of depression, nothing like it in history. So I said, that's my target to beat, and I said, again, right, Sal and Eragon, but I said, enough experience, I really don't bet we do it, you set up a study with all the comparison groups,

and you did, and they ran the study, and I'm proud to tell you that at the end of six weeks, 97% of the people had no symptoms whatsoever, 7% had symptoms, but they had lessened massively, but 17% had suicidal ideation coming in and coming out and none did. They followed up a year later. 72% reduction in negative emotions.

A year after I've not seen them. 51% increase in positive emotions. So now we're doing it on business. They did a one year study with 1,500 people. They just finished it. And you know, in business, EBITDA is engagement, right? The most engaged employees and companies are there and we've all seen that drop. If you're not familiar with it, we usually go three levels. You measure engagement, right? The most engaged employees and companies are there and we've all seen that drop.

If you're not familiar with it, we usually go three levels. You measure engagement, disengagement, which would be, now we call it quiet quitting, and then active disengagement. That's hard quitting where they're in the company but trying to harm it. The largest drop in history since COVID

has happened on engagement and the largest increase in active disengagement. They took the group in, 750 of each group, test group versus normal group, in four, excuse me, in five days, they found a month later, the engagement levels returned far above what they were pre-COVID, but more importantly, without any more interaction with me,

because they changed their wiring over the next year, and they followed them for the full year. They continue to increase their engagement. Well, I know, a lot of what you're doing is and has its roots in what we call today CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy. Attribution theory, how you interpret what people are saying to you. That's part of it.

But you also need... And taking a pause when you do have a reaction coming to you and just pausing for a second and then making sure you understand and checking the reality of that. These are techniques that you actually have in your programs. Yes, they do. But if you also don't change the physiology of the person you have a limited range. I'll give you an example they sent a group and followed me for I think maybe explaining the attribution theory would be really good for the audience and why that's so powerful. Well I think if I may just a little bit of

time I think it's more important understand physical change because your biochemical changes are what last. If I asked you all where you were on 9-11, no matter what country you're in, even if you're not American, everyone knows where they were, what they saw, who was there, right? There's a biochemical change. If I asked you where on 8-11, you don't have a clue. So what they did is they followed me

and they saw what happened to my body on stage, 12 hours a day, four days in a row. They had me wear this huge device, and it took my blood and they took my saliva from hormones every hour on the hour. And they'd also done this with Tom Brady. The group has also done this with the Tampa Bay Lightning, who've won multiple times.

And what they found is what they call championship biochemistry. When Tom Brady's down by 10 points since the fourth quarter, and he comes back to win, how does that happen? His biochemistry has an explosion of testosterone, which makes you remember everything, that's why it retained, and it puts you in a place of total focus. But with testosterone, usually also have the stress hormone of cortisol.

In Tom's body, he goes there, the cortisol drops off the cliff. It's unheard of, they call it champs, and same thing happens to Tampa, same thing happens every time I get on stage, not sitting like this but doing what we do. What's more important is they then decide to measure my audience, and they did it first before COVID,

and then I started doing seminars digitally all around the world. Like we have 1.3 million people for a four-day seminar. I usually did 15, 20,000 person stadiums for four days, and now that's the size we're able to go to and scale, and we figure out how to make it work. But when they measure them in 15 different countries, it looks like music.

They come in and we suddenly start to go up together, and they get the same response, same kind of focus, and the same cortisol drop. And that's why they believe it's lost. Same thing happens with engagement, right? It's a biochemical, so I do believe in all the elements of cognitive therapy, in our linguistic program, there's so many. But without the unique thing that they saw I

did and that's trying to explain how it lasted is the biochemical shift. So pairing CBT with this physical activity, this intensity, yes, that is the secret. Yes, that makes total sense. Otherwise it won't last. Right. You know, you can make it last by repetition, right? Right. You know, affirming something. This is why when we go on a retreat and they organize these corny corporate retreats, it's not corny that they want to do a thrilling experience and go whitewater rafting to help people bond. Because people's lives are so sedentary,

they don't experience this. And that's why all you lunatics are jumping in ice cold baths every year. That's why you feel alive. You might have a very high, like, excitement level. Like, you gotta be in a helicopter and you gotta jump in cold water to be, to feel alive. You must have a very high like excitement level like you got to be in a helicopter and you got to jump in cold water to be to feel alive. I've been doing the 18 years in the last 10 or 12 years.

Everybody does it now. But yes, no, but it's also I'm a bio hacker. I have to be able to get up and do imagine I burn 11,500 calories on 11,300 calories on average in a day I jump 1000 times I'm in a stadium. I'm not just standing there. If you if you're standing you'd be bored out of your mind. I engage or I'm running up the walls I'm there with everybody I could strike at any moment. That's what keeps people fully alive But when you do that, I'm jumping a thousand times I weighed 290 pounds every time you come down they explain it's four times your body weight. So it's a million pounds You know pressure and I'm doing that I've been doing that since I was basically 19 years old.

This is my 48th year doing it. If you had been diagnosed by the industrial, psychological, psychiatry complex these days, would they just have said you were like a kid with ADHD or something? What do you think? I don't know what they'd come up with. I'm a freak as far as they're concerned, I'm sure. You probably would have broke the scale.

But what's nice now is they have virtually every psychological leader out of maybe a dozen of them have endorsed what we do. In fact, now therapists in various states in the United States can actually study my work, see the results, because there's very few places you can see an intervention and then follow up and see what the result was a year later. And they get credits for that. If you circle back to when Tom Cruise said, hey, listen, you know, exercise, diet, meditation, and he kind of laid out, there's other ways to deal with depression. And everybody would like, what does he know? These doctors know better. And

now the doctors have all come back to his position, which is let's focus on your diet. Let's focus on your exercise. Let's focus on your sleep. Yes. And let's focus on your meditation. Those four things will do more to you than any pill. Correct? 100% Yeah, we have 60% of people in the country on a pill. In some of these. And most of them have more than one. Anytime you combine three pills, you cannot predict the outcome and you're buying. And what about Tony then the move away from SSRIs now to

psychedelics and psilocybin? Like there's all of these, it's all these curealls. Yes. Well, I'm sure you saw the cover of Newsweek a couple of years ago. It talked about, it was on the cover and it said, SSRIs don't work. They don't. They've been proven not to work by the meta studies, but we're still given to millions of people.

And the side effects are depression, sometimes suicidal. It's insane. So looking for something else to rewire your brain is why people are starting to either mildly dose or heavily dose or go on these pieces. But the problem there is nothing wrong with anybody wants to do whatever they want to do. I'm not approved about how to do it. But I like the idea of being able to take charge and make conscious decisions. But I've had that experience. I went and investigated that myself directly. I

went down, you know, into South America and that experience was quite profound. But it's like, what are you going to do with it? Some people just becomes another way to party, you know, and that then you're not going to get any results. So the if you're doing it with a therapist with intentionality, with a guide, like I was completely I was completely against it. I met Tony bosses from Columbia, New York University. And I said, you know, I'm just not into drugs, you know, I'm not a freak, but people around me overuse them and abuse them. So

I've always just not done that. And he said, Tony, it's not a drug because a drug you take it one, you know, I'm not a freak, but people around me overuse them and abuse them. So I've always just not done that. And he said, Tony, it's not a drug because a drug, you take it one, you know, you got to take it every day. He said, this I'll show you. And he showed me videos. He said, these are people that he was working with people that have been diagnosed with cancer, terminal cancer. Right. And he said, watch this. He said, I'm going to show you in advance. This woman is an atheist. She's not like a California atheist. Like there might be some God in the trees or something. She's a New York atheist. There is no God. Yeah.

Right? And he shows me the video. You know, they do two different sessions. They don't know which one's gonna be it. And she comes out at the end of the session where she had the experience and she said, I experienced God. And about 96% of the people say it's one of the three

most profound experiences of life. It was for me. And I used to, I can handle anything, but the one thing I was weak at, I'll be honest with you, was like somebody dying, because I had to handle that with myself. And so that's why I went to do it. And I don't have a fear of dying.

I don't want to die, but I don't have the fear of it before. And if you went through deep trauma in your childhood, psychedelics can, I'm told, take you right to that place. And you will have to confront it. And that's why doing it in a safe environment, especially if you're a child of trauma with an alcoholic father, which I had as well, very challenging. I don't recommend going to just a guru or somebody like what I went down in South America, only because there are a lot of people that take advantage of women down there. Because once you're in that state,

it's you're really, you don't know what's, you're in a world, a different world. So I really say you wanna, there are people, now there's a big push at UCLA, they're, they're doing it at Stanford, they're all studying it now. And I think using it in that area make a difference. But my point is you get the same results without it. And I'm not suggesting people have to do it one way.

Yeah. Tony, can I build on Freeberg's question, which is happiness is sort of a rate of change problem? Yes. You're incredibly successful. You're incredibly famous. You have a great family. You're really fabulously wealthy.

There's all this stuff. How do you frame your mind in terms of this rate of change so you're seeing progress? Like, do you do that for yourself? Like, yes, of course, I think, I think men and women, it's a generalization, but I think they evaluate life differently. I think most men have grown up in a hierarchical world, women do as well. And they have an idea of where they think they should be at a certain time. And most people are not there at times, or if you're

fortunate enough, you're ahead of the game. I got to the point probably 10 years ago where I'd done all these things. I didn't have any less enthusiasm, but I didn't have anything that like, what am I gonna do now? And I'd done philanthropy my whole life because I got fed, so I started feeding people. I did it at 17, I fed two families,

and then four, and I got hooked on it. And then I got my little company involved, and then we got to two million people, and then two million from me, and two million from the general public and then when I was writing Money Master of the Game I interviewed Ray Dalio, Carl Ica and Warren Buffett, all the best in the business and I saw at the same time, I'm interviewing these

billionaires that the government cut food stamps, now it's called the SNAP program, by six, I think it was six billion dollars. It means every family that needs food would have to go out with one week of food unless people like us step up. So I called my foundation and I said, how many people have I fed in my lifetime?

Because I didn't know the number. They said 42 million. And I was like really gratified by that. But I also was saying like, what if I did what I did in a whole lifetime in a year? What if I fed 50 million people in a year? And I was like, what if I fed 100 million? What if I fed 100 million for 10 straight years

and fed a billion people in the United States, richest country in the world, but we have about 20 million people that don't know where the next meal's gonna come from. And I looked up with Feeding America to deliver the food, and I'm proud to say we did it in eight years, but the problem hasn't gone away. And so now I hooked up with Governor Beasley

when I was in the UAE. He introduced me to Governor Beasley, MBZ did, and he explained to me that. You ran the World Food Program. Yes, he won the Nobel Prize for that. And he, and MBC said, I want you to meet the only guy I know that's seen more people than you. I said, he's been a lot more than I am at the UN.

But we sat down and we became friends, and now I said to him, normally 80 million people a year are at risk of dying. This year it's 385 million because of the war in Ukraine. It is the breadbasket for most of Africa. And there are 11 countries near famine right now. You don't read about it in the news because you're reading about something

on somebody's knuckles, right? And I said to him, well, and then it is not a fertilizer because Russia's been cut off and it made the price triple and farmers can't afford it. So I said, we need a period of time to get sustainability, 10 years let's say. How many meals would we need in the meantime just to close the gap?

He said, Tony, 50, 60, maybe 70 billion meals. I said, why don't we do 100 billion meals challenge? I said, I did a billion meals. I did it, it's supposed to be in 10 years, 100 billion years, 100 billion meals a year. I wasn't a billionaire when I started. I've been blessed, obviously. But there's gotta be 99 other people like me

who care, or businesses or countries and so we began that process two and a half years ago. In the beginning it did not go well, but I'm proud to tell you in the first year and a half we got 30 billion meals. I'll be announcing at the UN coming up this fall. I can't tell you the number is supposed to wait till then, but more than double that. So we're well beyond that. But right now in Duffer, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate your applause, but I think also we want sustainability in any of you that want to donate, I'll match. I do it at Feeding America. You donate a million dollars, I'll match it. You can put $10 in, I'll match it. But now Darfur, you know, people,

you know, we get these war zones now and there are people right now surrounded by those rebels, a million people right now, and no one's funding anything because no one can get, they'll shoot the plane out of the sky. So we just, Governor Beasley and I have just teamed up and we have found this group, this military group that's retired that want to do good works. They've done it for a while and we're buying the C-130s. I'm doing the first million meals for the week.

I got two people to match me. So we have three weeks worth of food. We're gonna fly in and air drop all that food. I'm going to UAE because I know the leaders there. We're going to Saudi Arabia. I'm gonna say, you can't shoot this down. This is not political. There's no weapons.

It's just food. And we're gonna prove it works. And then we have a tour June 7th to the 15th with all those leaders to get them to hopefully step up. Qatar has already stepped up and said they're gonna get 30 million and we're gonna save those lives because the people will die otherwise, you know?

And everybody just gives up. I'm not a person who gives up. But I just want to say that to answer your question for anybody, I think we all need moonshots. It's like, we all need something to go for. Everybody needs that. Yeah, you've already achieved a goal and then there's a drop because we're made to keep

growing. And so when I did that, then I was like, okay, my wife and I, we found some kids that were trafficked. We couldn't believe it. And I said, I want to save as many people as CDI grew and it was 30,000 people. So now we're at 76,000 kids we saved and worked with some of the best organizations, helped make a movie. Some of you may have seen last year. That was two years ago. Um, that was all about this process. And it blew up on July 4th, you know, the sound of freedom. Is it hard for you to frame your mind on a goal

that's measured differently than the thing that you were successful at? What do you mean? Oh, my goal is to make money. And then you make a ton of money, and then you're like, now my goal is to do something philanthropic. It's a totally different measurement.

And what happens, as you said, even if you're motivated by it, a lot of the people around you may be very unmotivated by it and almost pull you back from it. Well, I'll tell you, I've done this my whole life. I had a, Peter Goober's a mutual friend, I think you know Peter. Yeah, great guy. Peter, one time I was arguing,

or not arguing, sharing within my frustration that people weren't helping these children or helping, you know, traffic gang because it sounds so bad you don't want to hear about it. And Peter really was astute. He said, Tony, he said, you taught me this. People do things for different reasons. Some people donate because they want their name on the wall. Some people donate because they're guilty because they inherited their money. Some people donate because they really care. You don't care. Just meet their needs. And so I found, like I had a friend that was on a plane the other day.

I've known him 44 years. That person's reading my book. This is my book I did. I interviewed 150 people who are the top regenerative scientists in the world. So it's a big book, 700 pages. And this guy's marking it. And he's just going crazy.

My friend loves to see how people respond. He says, so what do you think of that book? And he goes, oh my god. Stem cells and this and that. Or you can't believe what you can do with your body. And he goes, what do you think of the author? And he goes, oh my god, stem cells and this and that, or you can't believe what you can do with your body. And he goes, what do you think of the author? He goes, oh, he seems like such a nice guy. He took nothing from all his books, he donated all,

he feeds all these people, but he is rich, he said. So it must be easy for him. And my buddy turned to him and said, what if I told you I'd known Tony for 44 years? I knew him when he had $10 in his pocket, didn't know he was gonna get his next meal, and he gave five into a guy in the street, and that he taught me if I don't give a dollar, you know, dime out of a dollar, I'm never going to give a hundred million out of a billion.

And you start now. You start now and your life is different. So I invite people to find a moonshot and mine started with feeding two families and then it becomes four and then it becomes larger. But now my economics are obviously extraordinary, but what drives me now is all the things I'm doing. I need tens of millions of dollars for what I donate. Let me ask you a question on that, which is how do you think about the relationship between focus and effectiveness?

A lot of folks, and my experience has been, the more we try and do, the more the breadth of the things we try and do, the harder it is to do any one thing exceptionally well and have these outsized returns. And there's a non-linear relationship between focus and outcome. The more you concentrate your time, energy, capital on one thing, it becomes non-linear how well that thing does. When you're an effective person, you have movie projects, book projects,

speaking engagements, businesses, ownership in sports teams, people calling you. How do you think about focusing your time and the effectiveness that you can then have in the things that you choose to do? I believe in concentration of power, but I don't have the limitation of thinking. It has to be every moment on just one thing. So I actually built the system for myself when I was really young and I had my, my second business, I wasn't doing well with my first one, so I started a second one, very brilliant.

It's like saying, I'm now terrible parents, let me have another kid. That's what most people do as entrepreneurs. But I knew I needed to take control of my time. So I took these time management courses and they'd give a little book in those days and your A, B, and C priorities. And I did it for about two weeks and then after a while

I was like, there's no way I can do everything on my list. And I was frustrated. Who can relate to this by the way in your own life, after a while, I was like, there's no way I can do everything on my list. And I was frustrated. Who can relate to this, by the way, in your own life, right? And so, it's like I said, every time management system does the same thing, I don't know if it's digital or not, you start with the same question. Now thinking is nothing but the process

of asking and answering questions. Now as I said that, you're gonna think and you're gonna ask yourself, is that true or not? And you're gonna evaluate it through your references, and that's a question, isn't it? I could take you all the way down the line, but for simple sake, the question of what I need to do is the wrong question.

So I will tell you this. When President Clinton said, what should I do? And I taught myself something different. I said, I need to control my focus, concentrate it, but I also need to have purpose behind it. Because purpose is stronger than object. I'm gonna make a billion dollars for what though? The purpose, that's where the energy and the fuel is.

And then you need a map. I called it RPM, like increasing your RPMs to get from here to there, and you know the result. Then I ask it, what do I want? What's the result measurable? Why am I doing it? And then what's the map, the massive action plan? And then I go find the 20% of things

that will give me 80% of the progress. And then I put things in categories. I have companies in categories, I have my family life in a category, my bodies in a category. And every week I predetermine what are the most important outcomes for the week. But when you do that, you are able to have

that concentration of power. And where I am, I'm there 1 million percent. And I found that skill of concentration doesn't have to be just one thing. If, like in your business, you get great leaders. Obviously, I couldn't do all these things myself, but when I've got great, you know, when you've got partners that are extraordinary,

in the health area, you know, I've created this company called Fountain Life, and I got Peter Diamandis as my partner, he's a genius. I partnered with Sam Nazarian, some of you know him from SBS, right? He created Mondrian and SLS hotels, and we're building 15 extraordinary luxury hotels around the world where you can go and be scanned and

Are you doing too much? No, I love it. You do? You know if it's too much you love it and I have time for my daughter Which I adore right she's four years old I'm saying it in slightly ingest because you are hyper efficient. You got this crazy energy level there is a theory that sometimes people become a little too addicted to success and to improving themselves. Do you ever stop and just like enjoy the day and not try to improve everything?

Do you ever stop and just like laugh and maybe enjoy some sushi and go off with your friends and play some cards or does everything have to be the 78th millionth meal and person you saved? No, well there's a part of me that's that way for sure millionth meal and person you saved? No. Well, there's a part of me that's that way for sure. Really? What do you do? No, I said there's a part of me that the first part that's as crazy as you described. It was not a part of me that I value love and relationship. So like, you know, Peter's one of my dearest friends for 35 years. He was down here in Miami, called me up and we had everything booked.

I moved everything and we spent two hours just staying out together because I love him dearly. He's 82, 83 years old right now. I don't know a better human being. He's my priority. My daughter's my priority. My outcomes change when there's something more important, right, that's there. But I've also learned that I have to be able to turn the switch off, and I do that. And I do that.

Ray Dalio is a good friend, and learning to meditate was something I thought I'd never do in my life. But I've developed a simpler pattern. developed myself in meditation I start my days with I have to take care of my body and when I'm doing those things and I also when everybody else goes to bed that's when I get my thinking time and so from midnight till three or four for me is usually my time. Are you like a three hour sleeper like a four up? No like four and a half to five not ideal five is ideal for me. But I can certainly do that. That's always been that way. That's sort of, you know, not when I was a kid,

but once I discovered my passion for you know, you've all heard the phrase, right, the two most important days of your life, the day you're born, the day you discover what you're born for. When I discovered that the energy in my body changed radically. Think about, I'm curious, mortality a lot. I know you're into the stem cells, or we're all getting to a certain age, and we're all going to the same destination, and looking back on your life, and then finding meaning in that.

I know some people our age start thinking about legacy. Does that matter to you? And are you thinking about, hey, how many years do I have left? I never thought of that till about 64. I'm 65 now. I never did. So just in the last year, you started thinking about it.

Yeah, the last year and a half. Was there something that caused that to happen? My daughter. I think having my daughter come along, I had her at 61. You had a daughter at 61? Yeah, she's four years old. Four years old. Wow.

So I've got a 50-year-old daughter. Got it. I was confused by the math when you said all that. And I was asking the question, because you know, in your brain, it's all questions and answers. And I was doing the math. I told my wife originally, I said, we're gonna have a kid by 50.

I said, I don't wanna be there at my kid's high school reunion, or excuse me, graduation. And I'm, you know, 70 years old, and I'll be 80 when I do that piece. 80, yeah, exactly. But I look at people like Peter or Steve Wynn, like I have a whole group of friends

that are in their 80s that are, Peter's doing more today than he did when I knew him was 45. And so I look at that and say, but you gotta take care of your body. And so, and there are things you don't predict. My eye may look a little weird to some of you and may not notice, but about three weeks ago, no, five weeks ago, I started to feel irritation

in my bladder and hard time breathing was very weird. And I'm very, you know, I have a really intense way to do hyperbaric oxygen cryotherapy. So it was really weird for me not to have that. And so I went and got tested at Fountain Life where we have our stuff. And they found I had this massive amount of arsenic in my body.

Like a zero to five was that they measure it. 50 would be off the charts. I was 345. And it was so bad. The first thing they said is you've got gotta watch your eyes, and five days later, my retina detached, which can make you blind. So I went in for emergency surgery here in Miami, one of the best doctors out here,

and normally you have to take the surgery and then you have to lie in your stomach for a week and not get up looking down, because they put this gas behind the retina. But fortunately, Bobby Kennedy, I put him together with Trump. He's a good friend. I called him.

He got me with the top guys at two different hospitals. They said, this is the guy. We got it all together. And he said, I think this is not as effective. It's not like 90% effective. It's like 70%. But if it works, he goes, I can't imagine you lying on your stomach for seven straight days

and nights not moving. I said, I can't either. And he said, if I do this, it's like a belt around your eye and you'll be able to sit up at least. So that was only three and a half weeks ago. And so this eye is still having some pieces. So of course that made me pay attention. But yesterday, I operate, I found out from Fountain Life,

there is a new approach to your immune system because all this is coming out because my immune system was affected by these metals. By the way, all of you have, if you could give yourself a gift, you should get tested for metals. There are so many metals in our food and our water. And there are all these great blood tests you can do

with Fountain, other services. And you can do them every six months for $500. And our doctors never told them to do it. They just would like be like, oh yeah, your blood works good. But when you think you're aging, often what it is is poisons in your body, metals in your body.

It's so crazy. So I want everybody to know about this. There's a man named Dr. Zhao, and I've seen everything. I wrote Life Force, 150 of the best regenerative doctors in the world. I know them all. I've interviewed them all. This, to me, is like the number one thing to go to.

So he has created this. I've done stem cells. I healed my shoulder with stem cells. I didn't have to go through surgery, but he does this what he calls reeducation of your immune system. My beta cells are through the floor from all these metals. So now all the other things your body would fight off are coming through, right? And my whole body was going in reaction. So I said there is an answer. I'm gonna detox and I'm proud to tell you, and they told me it

could take two years, it took five weeks and I've got all the metals down to normal levels, at least now, which I'm so thrilled about. But then what I'm proud to tell you and they told me it could take two years it took five weeks and I've got all the metals down to normal levels at least now which I'm so thrilled about but then what I'm gonna do for my immune system so Dr. Zhao he's been around he discovered the stem cells that are in the blood not MSC cells but these blood cells and he's worked 25 years to do it I've never seen anything like it in my life he does plasma for recess you probably heard of it where they take blood out and they put it through a filter and it's gonna be very useful. I've had that before. But what he does, he takes your blood through and he takes your white blood cells, your immune system out overnight. He puts it through

a filter with cord stem cells. You don't actually put someone else's cord stem cells in you. It's the intelligence that gets transferred and then it puts it back in your body and then they spread and change your immune system back 20 years. That sounds like a ridiculous promotion. This guy's not a promoter at all, and it's all science. But I watched, what got me to go there is my, one of the people, like Helen, Dr. Helen from our place, the Fountain Life showed me, she said,

Tony, I think this is what you gotta do. She's on this ALS patient, ALS is usually, you know, it's a death sentence, and this guy's shaking and he can't take his hands above here. He does the process, three weeks later, he's doing this, no exaggeration. They do type one diabetes and turn it around. Any autoimmune disease is there,

and most of aging is really the breakdown of the immune system. That's why we're seeing so many cancers. After COVID and the injections, a lot of young people, these turbo cancers, they're happening, because their immune systems have been harmed. And so now everything starts to shake up. When people think about aging, it's really immune systems.

So the type of people are going with alopecia where they have no hair, this woman I met her, and she's got a full, and she's 70 years old, got all her hair back. It's in New Jersey and he's already at, he's on an IND. So he's on stage three though, he's gone through his stage three. He's doing a submittal and we're gonna bring it to Fountain Life here

because there's nothing like I've seen it. But there are things like that. Like if you stay well, take care of yourself now, over the next five to 10 years, the kinds of transformations are gonna allow us to be in a position where every year, you could be a year younger, at least maintain where you are.

I mean, it's not science fiction. Freeberg talks about this all the time on the show. We're like this very interesting generation. We're 10 years behind you or maybe 15 in some cases, or even 20 actually. But we're this generation that we actually might get to benefit from some of these incredible technological advancements. You absolutely will. Ladies and gentlemen, Tony Robbins. Thank you so much.

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