American Alchemy with Jesse Michels - “An Alien Gave Me The True Purpose of the Pyramids!” -Geoffrey Drumm

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Starting point is 00:00:32 harnessing the abundant natural resources and converting them into chemical commodities. To me, that was the first indication that alchemy was born in ancient Egypt. Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem, you are as deep in corroborating this theory of these ancient megalithic sites, and a lot of them are not only functional, but you can see the development from stone circles to pyramids. And we experimentally demonstrated that if you induce voltage and send electrical current into one stone, it absolutely arcs into the next stone. Whoa. Yeah, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Like lightning strikes. The most powerful atmospheric event that a Neolithic person could possibly witness. So lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to build these things. These positive charges are going to start to accumulate. All of a sudden you get that lightning discharge, the rain, the atmospheric nitrate fertilizers, and voila. We now have the birth of stone circle obelisk standing stones, atmospheric nitrate fertilizer technology. and it's being built all over the planet.

Starting point is 00:01:39 You even make the connection as to why UFOs show up around some of these sites. In fact, there's a specific case in Japan. So that's a site called Pyramid Coromanta, and people report UFO sightings, mainly these glowing orbs, directly connected to Pyramid Coramanta. It's one of the most mysterious sites in northern Japan. It's a shape-shifting plasma phenomenon that can change into these different formations. There's an interesting connection between the smell of sulfur and a moment.

Starting point is 00:02:07 directly related to UFO phenomenon and ball lightning phenomenon. Well, that's extremely common. It's this case in Brazil. There is a statue commemorating this UFO encounter because everyone in this city, all of them say that the beings smelled like sulfur and ammonia.

Starting point is 00:02:24 That is just the tip of the iceberg of substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past nine years. Very strange experience during my first trip to Egypt. So my friend and I go to sit there to dinner and I'm looking at him in the eyes and he has these big bulbous eyes. You know like chameleon like kind of like they operated independently where one was kind of looking over it was like really really weird.

Starting point is 00:02:47 What? And he had googly eyes. He was googly eyes and I remember he already knew where my mind was going in advance of the conversation. And then he starts probing asking these really methodical questions regarding this theory that I had just generated that day. Tell me what you know. Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem.

Starting point is 00:03:31 Welcome back. This is part two for us. Yeah. A really interesting. I thought very fun and good nature, which is also kind of refreshing for this sort of thing. A podcast with Felipeo Biondi, of course, of synthetic aperture radar, Doppler, tomography, fame, who has these scams. which she claims show these 20 meter wide hollow tubular structures,

Starting point is 00:04:00 eight of them below the coffer pyramid. Total proof of concept for the actual, like, technique. That's amazing. And that's my point. And then you need to do that for the thing that's going viral that everybody cares about. It's definitely something to pay attention to. I don't find him to be dishonest in, you know, my, again, limited context with him. I find him to be sort of good-natured.

Starting point is 00:04:25 And then my guess is, like, he's also very, like, interested in kind of heterodox science and science history and stuff. Yeah. And there was this telling thing he actually said in my first interview with him, where he was like, Marconi was too stupid to know that he was wrong. And so he ended up getting it right. And so the context here is that everyone was like, you know, you can't send an electromagnetic signal. It doesn't make sense, you know, uh, you know, you can't take the, you know, the curvature of the earth, literally.

Starting point is 00:05:01 Like it'll literally like shoot into space, right? And Marconi was like too dumb to, he was, it was almost like ignorant in an adaptive way where he tried it across the Atlantic. And so he was sort of wrong in a sense because the electromagnetic waves, I think he thought they curved, but they don't curve. Uh, so he didn't anticipate the ion. And so the electromagnetic wave bounced off the ionosphere and then it landed. And he actually, you know, received an electromagnetic signal. And I wonder if there's something similar with this where it's like, you are clearly right. And this is a hopeful wish. And again, I don't know how I shake out exactly 50, 50, 60, 40. I'm somewhere on the margin. I think it's extremely worthy of investigation. I like him. And then I wonder if it's a case like that where maybe it's a case like that where maybe it's. It's probably not the energy grit.

Starting point is 00:05:55 It's probably not the first guess that the internet applies to the thing. But there's like something directionally correct about the readings. And we go down there and it's way weirder and more interesting than we, you know, ever, ever kind of thought to begin with. And it was because of the virality of, you know, because he had the boldness to like make this claim that we figure out what's going on. Thanks to this research, people are more interested in what is really below the Giza plateau. Yes. Which is critical to the function of these structures. And before this, there was no interest in what's underground, right?

Starting point is 00:06:30 Everybody's paying attention to Great Pyramid, great pyramid. It's a power plant. It does X, Y, Z, only focusing on the inside of it. You honestly conducted the interview. I was sort of a fly-on-the-wall facilitator. Sure. And you did it in a way that I could not. So I really thank you for that because you asked a bunch of really good first principles questions

Starting point is 00:06:48 and poked at areas, which I think are, weak in, you know, the way he presented a couple of things. But I think it was in a way that stress tested his findings. And I also thought she showed a lot of confidence for him to show up and answer a lot of these things. And I love the kind of collegial, good feel of it. But we were just talking right before the show. And just tell you want to repeat what you told me? Sure, sure. Yeah. So people, especially followers of my channel, know that I've been following this for a long time. And I really like Felipe Biondi, and I think the research is fascinating. And anybody that's in the community shouldn't be outright dismissing this stuff.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Because even if there's a 5% potential for something to be discovered implementing this type of technology, we should be investigating it. And we should give at least some opportunity for entertaining the idea and listening to him and having him explain more in depth the mechanisms of operation and the method and all the, and all the things that go into these discoveries. Because if what he claims is real, it could be potentially one of the biggest discoveries in relation to the function and the true mysteries of the Egyptian pyramids that has ever happened in archaeology. Even Richard Dawkins, who is, I think, kind of a guardian of the priestly citadel of modern science and always shakes out on the skeptical side.

Starting point is 00:08:16 He says a quote, and I'm paraphrasing, it's something like the implications of something something being true, how profound those are, times the likelihood that it is true is like a good formula heuristic for looking into something. So this is worthy of investigation clearly, because it would be paradigm shifting if you had these, you know, megastructures underneath the pyramids. You know, my interest in the research project goes back many, many years. And, you know, I haven't, like I said yesterday, I've invested a lot of time into studying the research, entertaining potential implementations of their findings into my working hypothesis for the function of the Egyptian pyramids. So I have a vested interest in determining whether this is real and something

Starting point is 00:09:04 to be taken seriously or if it should be dismissed because, again, I'm really focused on getting to the bottom of the mystery regarding the function of the Egyptian pyramids. And originally my stance, and I've said this publicly to Philippo, you know, I don't 100% agree with any of this stuff. My original stance when I started looking at this back in 2020, when I was evaluating their original paper was about 50-50. 50%. I don't believe it at all. 50%. I see some potential in the technology to be utilized to discover hidden structures within the pyramids, which is really the impetus of their entire work, is to find things that have not been documented by the conventional archaeological logical process. So I was about 50-50. The more I looked into it after the Malta Conference and after

Starting point is 00:09:51 doing some digging and more videos on their second paper regarding the Kaffra pyramid, I was about 70-30. 70%, I don't believe it. 30% thinking that there is some limited potential for the scanning technology to detect structures within the pyramids. 70% being it cannot permeate deep underground at all. And that the so-called pillar structures are really just figments of the scanning process, like echoes or long exposure, figments of the scanning process. After yesterday's conversation, I'm more like 80-20. Really?

Starting point is 00:10:31 So I've lost about 10% in my belief in the, there's definitely something potentially to it. I really like Felipe. and he is an expert in radar technology. He's a radar engineer. He's a software developer. So he should know what he's doing. However, in the context of the conversation yesterday, there were several things, and this was the first time I've had a chance, to sit down with Felipe face to face and ask him some really poignant questions that have really been bugging me. And these are the same questions that everybody in the industry has been having, especially the people that have immediately debunked the research, which was there was a whole community of people that either

Starting point is 00:11:15 shut it down completely, rejected it immediately without really asking any probing questions, or like we said yesterday, there's the other hand where they just accept it unquestioningly, we're 100% on board. They found a huge city in these alien megastructures underneath the pyramids. So I'm not trying to debunk Felipe, I really like it. I'm super interested. Keep coming to the table with more. Yeah, no, and that can be. You're asking the right question. and you're pinpointing real issues.

Starting point is 00:11:44 And so I'm just excited to see how the ball's in his court. He's got to follow up. And he needs to whatever is quote unquote proprietary in his head needs to be like replicated, scaled to the rest of the scientific community, made accessible because there's so many things we're taking at face value that I think need to really be, you know, understood and scrutinized kind of publicly. Yeah. But, okay, let's transition because...

Starting point is 00:12:14 And that's a good preface, too. I think you're one of two people, you and Christopher Dunn, who actually have a theory as to what the pyramids function actually was. Where the supposed King's Chamber is, where those passages go through into it, what do you think that thing was? The power plant. The book is entitled The Geyser Power Plant. And I describe it as an electron harvester.

Starting point is 00:12:40 You could describe it as both. I do think the consensus is shifting away from these being originally conceived as tombs. Sure. And Graham Hancock and Robert Schock and those guys are really kind of at the forefront of that. But academia feels like it's catching up on that. Yeah. And now the question is, what the hell are they and what were they for? And I think whereas Christopher Dunn, who's done a great show on Joe Rogan and some other podcasts,

Starting point is 00:13:05 would say is it's like a, you know, hydrogen power plant, like an energy plant or something, basically. And you say that it's this chemical manufacturing facility and it deals with Cardashev scales and the ability to do metallurgy, mining, and basic agriculture. Correct. So it's so incredible. And so now we're getting back to the origin story. So go for it. So to clarify the main difference between Christopher Dunn's work and my work, he focuses exclusively on the Great Pyramid. And he's termed himself as a Great Pyramid exclusionist. His work does not address any other pyramids, and he's admitted this as a deficiency of his work because the mechanisms that apply to the Great Pyramid don't apply to any of the other structures.

Starting point is 00:13:48 My work starts with the function of stone circles and obelisk structures, passage chamber reactors like New Grange and other passage chamber systems that are located all around the world, then moving into the function of the Egyptian pyramids, talking about the step pyramid, the red pyramid, the bent pyramid, the Great Pyramid, and the Central Pyramid, as a comprehensive system for the production of various chemicals on an industrial scale. Methane being extracted and produced within the step pyramid, that methane being converted into ammonia within the red pyramid, that ammonia being transformed into either ammonium bicarbonate or urea, similar chemical composition, end product depends on the total,

Starting point is 00:14:33 temperature and pressure of the reaction. I lean more towards urea now, which is just a solid compound ammonia-based fertilizer, and the pyramids on the Giza plateau, producing sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid within the Great Pyramid and Central Pyramids, respectively. So it's a comprehensive theory that the Egyptian pyramids are industrial-scale chemical manufacturing plants. Christopher Dunn's theory uses chemicals as the input and power as the output. My theory is, is the exact opposite, where the input is nature's electricity, and the output itself are industrial chemical commodities. You are kind of as deep in corroborating this theory as anybody in the world.

Starting point is 00:15:17 Like, you have so much data that you put against it. It's like painstaking. Yeah. And so what's interesting. I appreciate the acknowledgement of that. Oh, yeah, of course. No, no, no. And that means a lot coming from you, somebody that's very intentional in scrutinizing

Starting point is 00:15:31 the existing evidence for any. particular, same thing like we're doing with Beyondy, right? Yeah. We want to see the full, the full gamut of all the information. No, and you showed it in that conversation and also when you've done other podcasts, like my buddy Danny Jones. Yeah, shout out Danny. Shout out Danny.

Starting point is 00:15:45 It's like, he was like, that was the most detailed, like, it was like a seven-hour thing, you know, and he was like exhausted by the end of it. So. Yeah, we both were. That was amazing. I did, so when I went to Florida, I did a nine-hour presentation on Limitless. Yeah. And then did seven hours on Danny's show.

Starting point is 00:16:02 And that. Even just doing that is just the tip of the iceberg of the substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past. So 2017 to 2026, we're talking about nine years of working on this project. I published my book in 2020 and my YouTube channel went public in 2020 also. So in the six years since I went public on YouTube, I have more than 400 research-based episodes presenting meticulous explanation. of all the mechanisms of operation that go into the function of all these different structures.

Starting point is 00:16:37 And that's been, like you said, kind of one of the biggest objections in the barrier to entry in people getting interested in my work because they don't know where to start. One interesting point that I've heard you make on Danny Jones's podcast is with respect to ammonia and fertilizer.

Starting point is 00:16:54 So first off, I think in some ways your theory is actually the most reasonable because it's not this fantastic, Oh, we're producing nuclear fusion over unity, free energy for the Earth. And Atlantis existed. And it was like this infinite abundance sort of, you know, utopia. In your case, you're just saying what is needed for, you know, a Kardashev scale one, you know, civilization, which is a framework that is very popular around the ability to basically harness the Earth's energy.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Yeah. And so, you know, that is in this case, especially locally in the Giza Plateau, it would be fertilizer, mining, and metallurgy would be just essential to, like, you know, civilization there. Sure. Yeah. And so one interesting connection that I remember hearing you make on Danny Jones is that Fritz Haber, who is responsible for modern fertilization techniques, which is remarkable because he, I mean, he was this Nazi and also responsible for the deaths of, I believe he was responsible for like mustard gas or Zyclon B or something. That was the reason he committed suicide. There you go. Because his original invention of the industrial scale ammonia synthesis process was later adapted to chemical warfare.

Starting point is 00:18:11 Right. So something that he created to make fertilizer for food was eventually taken to the dark side and used to kill, you know, vast amounts of people, which is one of the reasons he committed suicide. Right. It wouldn't have been, because mustard gas was World War I. Was it Zyclan B or was something? I don't know the name of the, it was making ammonium nitrate explosives. Okay. And other, you can certainly make toxic compounds from that.

Starting point is 00:18:35 I don't know exactly what the, the weaponized version. I think it was ammonium nitrate explosives. So a classic case of somebody who is kind of similar to Alfred Nobel, who, you know, created the Nobel Prize where it was, you know, I was think it was like dynamite was what he invented. You know, often inventions are liberating, freeing, and create abundance. And simultaneously, it's always dual use and often, you know, weaponizable. So he was inspired by the. Red Pyramid, is that right?

Starting point is 00:19:03 So Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch. Carl Bosch is known as the father of electrochemistry. And they were both creating these revolutionary industrial scale chemical synthesis projects in the early 1900s. Both of them traveled extensively in Egypt. It's wild. Yeah. And my hypothesis is that old Fritz Haber, in the same process that I did in investigating

Starting point is 00:19:27 the Red Pyramid, reverse engineered the same mechanisms of operations of operations of operation that drive the system. And instead of, you know, publishing in a book or unveiling it, he, you know, kept the secret and converted it into the industrial process that we now have known as the Haber process to make ammonia. The original apparatus that he created is three chambers. And for some reason, he put the third chamber above, when he set this thing up, it's two chambers at ground level and one chamber that's raised above. It's the exact same configuration as the chambers of the red pyramid.

Starting point is 00:20:01 no technical reason to put that third chamber on a stand. But for some reason, he did it. And I think it's an homage. If you look at the side-by-side comparison, I have a slide in here somewhere, you look at the side-by-side comparison, it's an exact replica of the chambers of the red pyramid, and it operates by the same principles of increasing temperature and pressure within the system to facilitate chemical reactions. Yeah. And I'm sure you saw that we made a one-to-40 scale model of the red pyramid and it completely exploded due to the pressure on the inside of this thing. And that was one of the... Do we have any historical evidence?

Starting point is 00:20:38 We just, we know he was in Egypt. Right. Do we know that he visited the pyramids per se or? No, no, not specifically. There's no documentation. There's, there's a book that mentions that his original ammonia synthesis project was financed by an Egyptian banker, which I found that was very interesting. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:20:55 They have postcards that were sent from Fritz Haber being dated in Egypt. He had documented travel. to Egypt, but there's no mention specifically of the pyramids. That's just kind of my, you know, I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, but there's something very unusual. Because the chambers match one to one in certain ways, not even in a functionally adaptive way. You have the chambers matching unnecessarily almost as if he was copying the pyramid. Yeah, again, when you look at the original apparatus, the third chamber is on a stand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no reason for that from a functional perspective in making that work,

Starting point is 00:21:30 He just set it on a stand because it's elevated above the ground, which is exactly the configuration of the red pyramid. So I want to ask you like a super high level question before diving into all the evidence that the pyramids are chemical manufacturing power plants, which is who do you think built the pyramids and when were they built? Because that's the hotly contested thing. And I think that's important before getting into their possible functionality and why they were built. Yeah. So I see a direct evolution and ancient. ancient stone technology, tracing back to the end of the last ice age, starting with stone circles and passage chamber reactors like New Grange, which are proto-piramids and basic systems that

Starting point is 00:22:12 encapsulate reaction chambers using simple mechanisms of operation, like circulating moist airflow within these reaction chambers to produce chemical reactions. So passage chamber reactors like New Grange are the first implementation of Earth natural resource utilization technology on the planet, built by human beings at the end of the last Ice Age, in an attempt to rebuild civilization and ensure the proliferation of the human species for generations to come. They were industrial infrastructure projects that brought things like atmospheric nitrate fertilizers and rain to certain areas to promote agriculture. They were manufacturing things like ferrous sulfate, which is kind of a ubiquitous chemical

Starting point is 00:22:58 for soil conditioning. You can use it to produce sulfuric acid. You can use it to render metallic iron. There's a variety of applications, both agricultural and construction material related for ferrousulfate. And then eventually, the Egyptian pyramids were designed, starting with the step pyramid, that was used for the extraction of bedrock deposits of methane. That methane, so there's a direct connection between subterranean natural resources, telluric currents, and lightning strikes. And often bedrock methane seeps are ignited by lightning,

Starting point is 00:23:39 which create these perpetually burning sacred flames. The sacred flame was revered in ancient Middle Eastern religions like the Zoroastrianisms. The oracle at Delphi was a methane seep, a burning methane seep, a lot of which were ignited by lightning. So lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to find subterranean natural resources like oil and gas and also subterranean deposits of metal ore minerals. So the Steppe Pyramid was implemented for the extraction of bedrock methane, and I believe that they were operational between the time period from 8,500 BC to around 5,300 BC, in a period known as the Saharan Humid Period.

Starting point is 00:24:20 So the development of this technology starts around 10,000 BC. We have stone circles, passage chamber reactors. That gradually evolved into the apex execution of the technology in the Egyptian pyramids. Circa 8,500 BC, the construction would have began and they were in operation for about 3,000 years. Wow. Interesting. But this also connects to the Japanese Joman civilization. So the Joman in Japan were also building stone circles, passage chamber reactors, and pyramids. In Japan. You saw the episode on the Coromanta Pyramenta Pyramid, which is a legitimate,

Starting point is 00:24:56 archaeologically documented man-made pyramid that has internal red granite reaction chambers. They GPR scanned it. They did some excavations at the site. 100% documented. It is a legitimate pyramid. And the Japanese Joman traced back to around 30,000 BCE. So they lived during the Ice Age, survived the Ice Age, and then around 10,000 BCE, they started building stone circles and similar structures to what we see all over England, all over Japan. Implementing the same technology, stone circles, passage chamber reactors, and lightning powered, lightning and telluric current powered chemical reactor pyramids. So you almost believe that you have like almost a global pattern of these ancient megalithic sites. Correct. And a lot of them are not only

Starting point is 00:25:48 functional, but you can see the development from stone circles, for example, to pyramids as far as their ability to kind of harness the earth's resources? Correct. So the same power source, for example, for stone circles, starts with telluric currents to develop positive charges on the surface of the earth. What is just if you break down as many of these things as possible for the yeah, what's a tolerant current? Are just electrical currents that move through the crust of the earth. Okay. Yeah. And so a stone, what does a stone circle do with the Tulleric current? Right. So this also connects to subterranean natural resources like underground springs and these metal ore mineral deposits. So stone circles all over the planet are built on top of underground springs. Same thing is true of the pyramids on the Giza Plateau and all the structures in Egypt are built on top of subterranean water deposits. This is not pure water. This is mineral rich spring water. which is very electrically conductive. So these telluric currents in the crust of the earth

Starting point is 00:26:53 flow and accumulate more prolifically in areas where this subterranean mineral water. These stone circles are built right on top of these subterranean mineral-rich spring water sources, which facilitate the accumulation and flow of tilloric currents into the site. Okay. So we're accumulating talluric currents within the stone circle system itself.

Starting point is 00:27:17 This process develops a positive electrical charge on the surface of the earth. This was documented using electrostatic volt meters by guys like John Burke in his book Seed of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, where he came to the same conclusion about this positive charge on the surface of the earth within stone circles. His proposal is that it was for seed generation. They put seeds within these systems and the forces, the electric field and magnetic forces within these systems, were used to manipulate seed DNA, and that lightning was an unintended consequence of this positive field buildup. My hypothesis is the exact opposite

Starting point is 00:27:58 where the positive charge accumulation on the surface of the Earth, due to a phenomenon known as dielectric polarization, right? So stones are not electrically conductive. They're dielectric materials with the capacity for storing an electric field. And dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow.

Starting point is 00:28:17 So if the current is flowing up through these subterranean springs, the vector of the electric current flow is going up. So dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow, negative at the bottom, positive at the top. So we're developing a positive charge on the surface of the earth. Again, documented using electrostatic voltmeters by John Burke. So this positive surface charge creates a... Have you verified that? Have you gone to these sites and use electrostatic voltmeters? used, we haven't brought electrostatic voltmeters, but we have used magnetometers pretty prolifically at these sites, which is also, so for example, the stones on Osito Ishii Hill, this huge hill in Japan, has a configuration of andesite stones at the top of this hill. And these andesite stones have a profound magnetic field resonating from the stone due to the magnetite content. So there is a huge magnetic field that emanates from these stones. And these stones. And these

Starting point is 00:29:16 And it's been corroborated by the researchers at Kumamoto University that have investigated the stones of Osito Ishii Hill who actually witnessed these things being struck by lightning on multiple occasions. And I have a picture of this thing if you want to see it in just a second. And would like, just for the audience's kind of, you know, basic understanding of this, you mentioned that you got married at Stonehenge. Would that be? Engaged, yeah. Engaged, sorry, at Stonehenge. Would that be an example of this? Yes, correct.

Starting point is 00:29:43 It would. It also goes into the composition of the. altar stone of Stonehenge using mica. Okay. Right. So the Sarsen stones are high silica content sandstone. Then you have blue stones, which come from Wales. And then you have the altar stone of Stonehenge, which was the lightning rod, the obelisk. The standing stone and men here all over the planet operate as lightning rods. Okay. Whoa. The earliest, the earliest implementation of obelisk technology. Yeah. So everything in Egypt is essentially the apex, pinnacle execution of ancient stone technology.

Starting point is 00:30:19 So cool. Okay, so let me just repeat this back to you so I make sure that I, that I understand this. So you have these sort of proto-megalithic structures, pre-piramids, that are things like stone circles, for example. Yep. And they seem to be mineral rich. And often that is concurrent with mineral-rich water, spring water, below the site. Below the site. And then you have, you know, rocks that are often mineral-rich as well.

Starting point is 00:30:45 and you can use electrostatic volt meters to pick up high electric currents. You can also use magnetometers to pick up high, you know, magnetic activity at these sites. And so they serve as sort of lightning rods occasionally because of this. Yeah, the obelisk. So a lot of the... Because the accumulation of positive charges at the Earth's surface. Yeah. Even at the top of an obelisk, a standing stone or men here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:10 And the Egyptian obelisk being the apex execution of the same technology, you're going to get a positive charge accumulation at the top of that stone. It's just a target. So what is that? For negatively charged cloud to ground lightning. So I'm an ancient human. What does that get me? Why would I care?

Starting point is 00:31:26 So let me shout out to Hugh Newman because I wasn't familiar with the work of John Burke until I met with Hugh Newman. It was like two years ago that I did the interview with Hugh and he recommended this book. And I read it on one of our trips to Japan and I'm looking through it. I was like, holy shit. He's talking about all the same things that I documented. He's talking about lightning, although it was an unintended. consequence and it was just kind of validation of the original concept that I had produced

Starting point is 00:31:51 regarding this positive charge accumulation. So why did they want lightning to strike in certain areas? Atmospheric nitrate fertilizers. So when lightning strikes, it creates a chemical reaction in the atmosphere that generates atmospheric nitrates. It breaks down the nitrogen molecules, allowing it to more readily react with oxygen, and those water-soluble, atmospheric nitrates are brought down in the rain for fertilization. It allowed them to reestablish agricultural areas all over Europe, all over Japan, by using these stone circles that basically cover the entire area. They built them everywhere. Stone circles are all over Europe. They're a ubiquitous feature. It's remarkable. It's like literally using the

Starting point is 00:32:37 earth and its own natural power to... For terraforming. For agricultural terraforming. That's incredible. Why does accumulation of positive charges at the earth's surface attract lightning. Yeah, so lightning, cloud to ground lightning, is negatively charged. Okay. So that's what happens during a thunderstorm

Starting point is 00:32:54 is you'll get a buildup of negative charges in the atmosphere and in the cloud. You get a positive buildup of charges on the surface, and lightning is going to seek the shortest path to ground given this positive charge accumulation that balances out those two opposite charges. It's an electrostatic discharge. Lightning is a giant electrostatic phenomenon.

Starting point is 00:33:13 You're making my mind go to all these crazy places. There's this thing called the Baltic Sea anomaly. Yeah. And you know about this? Yeah, yeah, of course. So I went and visited, and it's in the middle of the Baltic Sea. And it seems like it's, like, breathing, like water is being sucked in and out of it. It seems like there's like a staircase at one point.

Starting point is 00:33:31 A lot of, like, right angle kind of turns on it, long straight lines. According to Dennis Asperg, this Ocean X explorer, who's a buddy of mine, it's not attached to the sea floor. So it seems like this artificial structure, and there's all this anomalous electromagnetic activity around it. And I believe lightning even struck it or struck next to it or something. So maybe that was due to the accumulation of positive charges. And maybe it was one of these ancient terraforming sites for all we know. So there was actually a paper and a research project by the University of St. Andrews, where they did a geophysical analysis of a stone circle called the Kalanish or Kalanase Stone Circle, where they took out, geomagnetic sensing equipment, and they found the magnetic signature at the center of the stone

Starting point is 00:34:18 circle of lightning strikes. They describe it as repeated lightning strikes over a long period of time on the center of this stone circle. So there is academic substantiation in peer-reviewed research papers. They don't say why. All they say is, hey, there's this big magnetic signature at the center of the stone circle for some sort of ancient ritual. Whoa. So there is academic substantiation for this hypothesis. But I've also addressed the why, not just the fact that it occurred. Yeah, I mean, and then if that in turn produces atmospheric nitrates that allows for agriculture, that's amazing. Well, there's a variety of other applications as well. So during, how would these people, ancient people, we think of this narrative of primitive to progress. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:59 And this idea that, you know, the enlightenment is only a last four or five hundred years sort of phenomena. How would people in, what are you talking about, pre-10,000 BC and, see in certain cases. Neolithic people. Neolithic hunter gatherers, right? How would they know how to essentially harness the earth to create ag? I mean, we think of them as completely primitive. Yeah. So a civilization that is a hunter gatherer civilization doesn't necessarily imply primitive. I would say that they were actually more connected with the earth than we are today, which in, I would say that's a more civilized way to live. I think they had a more profound understanding. of the forces at work within nature and here on the planet than we do today. So again,

Starting point is 00:35:44 kind of going to the conversation of Kardashev scale and the utilization of Earth's electricity and natural resources. Today, we do not use Earth's electricity. We manufacture electricity. Hydroelectric dams. We're using water to spin a, you know, a magnet around to create electricity. Nuclear power. Nuclear power is just a fancy way to boil water, right? That's all it is. Right. So we're creating electricity. We're not harnessing Earth's electricity. This ancient civilization, I think, is actually more adept at utilizing the natural electricity from the earth to create chemical commodities or other agricultural related products. So how did they discover this technology? So from a Neolithic hunter-gatherer perspective, you're watching the sky. Clearly, they were studying the sky and atmospheric phenomenon. They had a really in-depth knowledge of the solar system, alignment, of planets. They were encoding that into structures like New Grange and Avebury, which are lunar and tidal trackers.

Starting point is 00:36:45 It also tracks conjunctions between the sun, the moon, and the planet Venus. So advanced astrology encoded in all these monuments around the world. They were watching the sky. They would have paid attention to phenomenon like lightning strikes, the most powerful atmospheric event that a neolithic person could possibly witness. And there's a lot of mythology

Starting point is 00:37:04 that connects lightning strikes to deities around the planet. So Susano, Ball is the Middle Eastern lightning and fertilizer god. Susano is the Japanese lightning and fertilizer god. There's lightning and fertilizer gods, Kukul Khan and Ketsokoadal, also connected to lightning, rain, and fertilizer. So it's encoded in mythology all around the world that these ancient civilizations were paying attention to this phenomenon and connecting it to agriculture.

Starting point is 00:37:30 I love talking about Japan because I have a personal affinity for some reason in connection to this Joman civilization, which the Joman, are not asiatic people. The indigenous population of Japan, the Joman, the later lineage of the Jomun is a group known as the Ainu. And the Ainu and the Jomun are not Asi people. The Asian influence in Japan comes from a civilization known as the Yaoi, which are immigrants from China and Korea that come into Japan later at the end of the Joman period. So they're non-Asiatic people that were inhabiting Japan,

Starting point is 00:38:08 studying these phenomena, and they did this exact same thing at a site called Comakino, where it's a tough hillside. There's a volcanic tough material all over Japan, and they leveled off the side of this mountain to create a flat plateau at the top of the mountain. They leveled it, and they created anandesite stone circle. The same magnetic phenomenon that were discovered by the research team at the Kalanay Stone Circle, the same magnetic phenomenon at the Oshidae-Oshahill is also at Komakino, indication of lightning strikes. This powerful electric discharge causes permanent magnetization of the magnetiteite within the antacite stones. So it's remnant magnetization from lightning strikes that create these magnetic field anomalies at these stone circle sites. Wow. So they replicate it simply by

Starting point is 00:38:56 studying and learning from the forces of nature. Yeah, trial and error. Let's build it over here. All of a sudden, the spring water below this comachino site, and there's a river that runs right below the thing that's connected to subterranean springs. The tough hillside is also permeated with all sorts of minerals too, which is directly connected. There is an inseparable connection between the location of Tulleric currents,

Starting point is 00:39:23 these subterranean natural resources, and lightning strike locations. And I'm sure you saw in many of my presentations I've presented several research papers that corroborate this statement. So anytime you build these things, These positive charges are going to start to accumulate. All of a sudden, you get that lightning discharge, the rain, the atmospheric nitrate fertilizers, and voila, voila.

Starting point is 00:39:45 We now have the birth of stone circle and obelisk standing stones, atmospheric nitrate fertilizer technology. And it's being built all over the planet. There's stone circles all over the planet. And you even make the connection in some of your videos as to why what seemed to be UFOs show up around some of these. sites. As you guys know, I'm often doing shows that run three or four, sometimes even five hours. People see the finished conversation, but the real work is what comes before it. Weeks of reading and research, and then I've got to actually sustain that level of attention and detail in the room, live for hours. Sometimes I'm kind of groggy, and I've flown halfway around the world for a

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Starting point is 00:42:29 mountain. And there's an old painting, Japanese. painting that shows this glowing ball UFO phenomenon and people report UFO sightings, mainly these glowing orbs, directly connected to Pyramid Coramanta. It's one of the most mysterious sites in northern Japan. So interesting. And so this would be ball lightning of phenomena, essentially. Just like lightning is attracted to the positive charge buildup. So would ball lightning. Yeah. And that was my interpretation of it. As soon as I started to hear that, I'm familiar with ball lightning. It's directly connected to thunderstorms. Yeah. And there's also gas coming from below this pyramid.

Starting point is 00:43:05 So there's a fantastic story in this book. So during the archaeological excavations, there's a thunderstorm rolling in. They're doing excavations on the top of the structure, and they crack into the slab at the top of the pyramid, the red granite slab at the top of the pyramid. They crack into it. They're working during a thunderstorm.

Starting point is 00:43:24 Starting to rain, pour, lightning and all this stuff, so they have to call it a day. So they start walking away and come down the mountain. they look back up and all of a sudden there's flames shooting out of the top of the mountain. And he describes it as blue flame that gradually started changing color like red, orange, yellow, green,

Starting point is 00:43:41 blue flames shooting out of the top of the mountain. So this is a direct result of the subterranean geothermal sulfur deposits that are directly below that mountain. So sulfurous geothermal activity is prevalent all over Akita, Japan. They call them hot spring onsen, these hot springs, they're sulfur hot,

Starting point is 00:44:01 springs and they produce sulfurous gas, which when you burn sulfur gas, it actually burns with a blue flame and can change red, green, yellow, depending on impurities and the temperature of the flame. So they cracked into the chamber that was containing this gas for who knows how many thousands of years. They released all the pressure, all this pressurized gas starts shooting out of the top of the mountain. It gets ignited by a lightning strike and all of a sudden there's blue flames shooting out of the top of the mountain. So it's a crazy story. This is one of the most fascinating books that I've ever read. And it's a legitimate archaeological project. Yeah. So going back to the ball lightning phenomenon, there is a mythological character in Japanese folklore known as the Riju, which is a

Starting point is 00:44:45 thunder beast that becomes activated during thunderstorms. It's a shape-shifting plasma phenomenon that can change into these different formations. It's known for all this erratic behavior, smelling like sulfur. There's an interesting connection between the smell of sulfur and ammonia directly related to UFO phenomenon and ball lightning phenomenon. Well, that's extremely common. So there's this case that's like, it's been kind of slowly breaking over the last 30 years, but it's this case in Virginia in 1996 in Brazil.

Starting point is 00:45:18 Yes. And literally like you go to this town in Brazil. There is a statue commemorating this UFO encounter. Because everyone in this city, I think it's 136,000 population. Yeah, they all saw it. A lot of people saw it. Like James Fox, this amazing documentary, and he's made this movie called Moment of Contact, he's made a follow up that's just got released.

Starting point is 00:45:39 He himself has probably around 15 to 20 witnesses on record. And a lot of them have seen the beings. And if you go to the hospital, like, yeah, this is where we did surgery on the ETB. Like it is just like and all of them say that the being smelled like sulfur and ammonia outside of the neurosurgeon. And I think there's some bizarre theory as to why like the being loses the ammonia and sulfur smell or something through. But most of the people like Carlos DeSosa is this one guy who saw this crash occur. Yeah. And he was like the ammonia sulfur smell.

Starting point is 00:46:19 It was impossible to ignore. These three girls saw the being as well crouched over and kind of injured. also ammonia sulfur so strange so there's a direct connection between hydrogen sulfide gas and subterranean sulfurous gas deposits that connect pyramid coromanta and this geothermal activity the whole valley next to pyramid coromanta is all sulfur hot spring onsen and even Suzuki in the book mentions that there's mineral rich spring water that pops up at the bottom of the mountains we have all the factors to make this chemical reactor work. And it has an interior red granite chamber. They also detected large magnetic fields when they were doing the GPR scanning. So they think that

Starting point is 00:47:06 there is this circular magnetic object of some sort embedded in the chamber. Whoa. Yeah, it's crazy. Check out on my channel, Episode 180. I just did a full breakdown. So nuts. When Westcham first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion. Inline skates were everywhere. And, Two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get

Starting point is 00:47:30 when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to Westjetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. If you're saying ball lightning shows up when you have these positive charge buildups, just like lightning shows up, that makes total sense to me.

Starting point is 00:47:49 And it kind of in some ways is a rational, you know, explanation for people seeing UFOs, which aren't UFOs, just ball light. Ball lightning, yeah. But then you have these weird cases, the UFO cases where it's, you have this sulfur and ammonia smell. Is there, do you have any theory about that?

Starting point is 00:48:05 Or is that just like a weird aside? So again, you know, ball lightning and this sort of lightning powered chemical reactor system kind of go hand in hand. Yeah. Plasma ball lightning is a kind of a misunderstood phenomenon. It may possibly involve gas. It may involve, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:22 silica dust that's whipped up into the atmosphere during lightning strikes. They're not 100% sure what causes it, but there's definitely a connection between the smell associated of ball lightning, always smelling like sulfur. When it comes to the ammonia, again, I don't really get into this in my work because I think that these were built by humans to create, again, chemical commodities, specifically ammonia for a variety of applications.

Starting point is 00:48:49 First, agriculture. You can also use it for, beach mining of things like copper. And you can use it for processing of crude oil for making things like bitumen, which was super important in the shipbuilding industry. We know that ancient maritime technology building ships was a huge industry. So they had to have processed bitumen that was free of acidic compounds. A great way to neutralize the acidic compounds from bitumen and crude oil is to use ammonia. But was this being done, you know, 9,000, 10,000 BC, like that early?

Starting point is 00:49:24 So, again, there's not necessarily conventional timeline or archaeological framework that agrees with this. Yeah. That's just my hypothesis based on the production of these chemicals and their applications that would be connected to an ancient civilization that inhabited the planet during that time frame. So I guess one question I'd have for you is like, you have Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, guys like that, thinking that if there was some ancient cataclysm, a la the younger dryest impact. Yeah. And you have meltwater, pulse one. So you have like basically, in their opinion, a comet from a torrid meteor stream, you know, an airburst, basically causing the ice age and getting us out of the ice age. Yes.

Starting point is 00:50:10 and flooding on either side. And they, in their mind, you know, any sort of anti-deluvian civilization pre-ice age would basically be entirely wiped out. And it could have been way more advanced than we realize. Are you in that camp or are you not? So I think the survivors of said cataclysm are the people that implemented these structures. Okay. Yeah. So you think there was.

Starting point is 00:50:32 Perferbial Noah's Ark, right? The survivors of the Great Flood, they had to get away from point A to point B in ships. That would have been the only way to escape this. cataclysm. And I think the survivors are the ones that took the knowledge from the pre-existing civilization and began to implement that technology in stone circles, passage chamber reactors, and again, it gradually evolved into the Egyptian pyramids in an attempt to rebuild civilization after that cataclysm. This is fascinating. So let me go back to the ammonia real quick so we don't get on a tan. Yeah, yeah, please. But ammonia is also a rocket fuel. Like the X-15 ammonia rocket that we

Starting point is 00:51:07 have today as a rocket-powered plane. We're just now starting to use ammonia and all of these alternative fuel sources as rocket fuels. So a lot of people have been like, oh, it's not agriculture, dude, it's aliens and they're making rocket fuel from the ammonia from the red pyramid. That's funny. So there's kind of, my work is certainly UFO topic adjacent. Sure, sure, sure. Specifically when it comes to like the story of the Anunaki that we're coming here to mine gold and precious metals. all of the chemicals and specifically the acidic compounds that were being manufactured on the Giza Plateau are directly applicable to mining applications, specifically gold. And so for example, you can't process gold unless you have either liquid mercury is one way to do it, which has been found under the Temple of the Feathered Serpent at the Teotihuacan complex. And my hypothesis for the function of Teotihuacan is that it is a gold and silver ore,

Starting point is 00:52:04 processing plant. Whoa. Utilizing liquid mercury. Whoa. Yeah, and they were converting the cinnabar ore into liquid mercury using the heat from lightning strikes. What goes back to mica. Micah is an electrical and thermal insulator. And there's layers of mica found inside these pyramid structures. So they're insulating both the electric fields and the heat from the lightning strikes and encapsulating it in the tunnels below the structure that were loaded with mercury cinnabar ore to extract liquid mercury. Same thing with mica. being implemented in the altar stone of Stonehenge.

Starting point is 00:52:37 So my work also addresses construction materials. Yeah. Right? And all of these construction materials have very specific applications. And if you learn to look at the properties of the construction materials, it will reveal inevitably the function of that particular component. So for example, white limestone, going back to the black, white, and red.

Starting point is 00:52:55 Limestone is a dielectric with the capacity for storing electric fields. The specific geometry of said limestone structure being directly related to shifting the geometry of that electric field. Red granite has quartz. And a big difference between my work and the conventional hypothesis on the Great Pyramid, they talk about piezoelectric effect for generating electricity. I'm the exact opposite where the input is electricity and the output is the inverse piezo electric effect and ultrasound.

Starting point is 00:53:26 I think one question, burning question everyone has is like, how did we have electricity back then? We think of electricity as associated with Tesla and Edison and maybe Benjamin Franklin with a kite or something much, much later. So that's why I disagree with the output being electricity. But you're saying the input was electricity. The input, but it comes from nature. So you're, I see what you're saying. So you're saying it's a natural input of electricity.

Starting point is 00:53:49 So you're creating this natural kind of thunderstorm generator, you know, lightning rod. Going back to the thunderstorm generators. Yeah. I also have a hypothesis for landscape features known as Whitehorse Hills. And these are found all over Wiltshire England, these clearly terraformed hills that are inscribed with a white horse. The oldest of these white horses is called the Uffington White Horse Hill. And it's from the Neolithic period, this inscription of a horse-like feature on the side of Uffington. And there's a mound right next to the Uffington White Horse known as St. George and the Dragon's Mound, which is the spot where St. George slayed the dragon, right?

Starting point is 00:54:27 the dragon being an esoteric symbol of lightning. And they say that when the dragon fell from the sky and touched the ground, the plants don't grow there anymore and the dragon's blood stain the ground. And that's why there's no growth on top of this little mound. But the dragon is a mythological symbol connected to the lightning. So there's secrets in plain sight encoded in these structures in terms of the esoteric symbols. And these white horse hills are cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators. They also have these.

Starting point is 00:54:56 So I did some measurements in the distance between the White Horse Hills and the Avebury Stone Circle, Serpent Temple Complex. It's called a serpent temple. Again, the serpent being connected to the symbol for Tulleric currents and lightning. The druids referred to Tulleric currents and Earth's energetic pathways as dragon lines. So again, there's an inseparable connection between Tulleric currents and lightning. They're two sides of the same coin. So the distance between the White Horse Hills of Wiltshire and the... there's several of them in the vicinity of the Avebury Stone Circle complex is 5,300 meters,

Starting point is 00:55:33 which is exactly 3.3 miles. Interesting number. So at Teotihuacan, there's another one of these white horse hills, 5,300 meters away from the Temple of Ketzelkawato. At Pyramanta, there's another one of these white horse hills, exactly 5,300 meters away from the pyramid itself. 2,300 meters for this step-down, So my work covers a lot of different topics,

Starting point is 00:55:59 and I was about to go on a huge tangent about the step-down voltage transformers, which are other components of these systems that are used to reduce the voltage from the primary lightning strike to reduce the voltage of electric current being allocated into other areas of the components. So for example, Luxor and Karnak Temple across the river from the Karnak Temple is a site known as the Hachepsut Morchewi Temple. The hillside surrounding the Hachepsut Mortuary is another one of these white horse hills, exactly 5,300 meters away from the obelisk within the Karnak Temple. And there's a distance of 2,300 meters of this Sphinx Step-Down voltage transformer avenue,

Starting point is 00:56:40 which is a component that's used to reduce the voltage being allocated into the Luxor Temple, 2,300 meters from the center of Avebury into a structure known as the sanctuary. So there's another application and an interesting phenomenon that happened during lightning strikes. You have Schumann resonance. So these are magnetic waves that are basically trapped between the surface of the Earth and the bottom of the ionosphere. This is because these lower frequency magnetic waves bounce off the bottom of the ionosphere. And if they do, they're what are called Schumann Resonces. Which is the same frequency as human brain waves.

Starting point is 00:57:16 You have ozone and negative ions. And these other temple structures, for example, the sanctuary head end and Avebury, and the Oyu stone circle complex that was also connected by a stone avenue into Pyramid Cormonta, these smaller stone circles at the head end of these avenues are designed to accumulate ozone, negative ions, and are also intended for human interaction with the Schumann resonance that occurs during the lightning strikes. Fascinating. Okay. So, yeah, so Stefan Burns was just on. on Danny Jones.

Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah. And he was talking about, again, he's a geophysicist. Yes. That was talking about the connection between Schumann resonance and lightning strikes and to luric currents

Starting point is 00:58:01 at these ancient sites, basically corroborating many of the things that I laid out during my presentation on Danny's show. These resonant energy fields that exist on Earth that are generated through lightning strikes, primarily.

Starting point is 00:58:13 There's like 50 every second or so around the world. And they produce energy across the entire light spectrum. sometimes even gamma rays. Like a Super Bowl, it'll be so strong you can boost gamma radiation. And he was saying that perhaps

Starting point is 00:58:27 Schumann resonance and the generation of these same type of brain, frequency brain waves, perhaps is, you know, the story of like you teach one monkey something and then all of a sudden all the other monkeys

Starting point is 00:58:39 learn the same thing? Perhaps Schumann resonance is what connected all of these civilizations on the planet where they all started to develop the same technology around the same time. It's possible. Or I would say, like a collective

Starting point is 00:58:50 consciousness based in Schumann resonance. Totally. Or I'd take a step back and there is a perennial debate in physics, which, you know, there's this idea of the anthropic principle, which is why is Plink's constant, you know, gravity, even the creation of, you know, H2O, the bonding of hydrogen and oxygen molecules, why are all of these things just right to support life on Earth? Yeah. And you have one camp,

Starting point is 00:59:17 which is like, well, you try enough iterations and eventually get this Goldilocks thing and it works. And then you have another camp being like, no, the Earth was created, simulated, terraformed. And I think they're interesting points to go towards that camp. And the Schumann Residence would be one of them where you could put a frog embryo in a Faraday cage. So you're cutting off the Schumann Residence. There's no electromagnetic frequency that can go into the cage. And it'll grow all messed up.

Starting point is 00:59:46 And then on the other side of that, if you grow a plant or something, anything, like right next to a Wi-Fi router or like a classic example is like Chernobyl where you have like a lot of radiation. You know, that's obviously going to really mess up literally the morphology of the being. There's an amazing professor

Starting point is 01:00:05 at Tufts who writes about the bioelectricity of the body. His name is Michael Levin. And I think at this point he's like conventionally, he's going on like Lex Friedman and stuff and like he's not fringe science. And he works off a guy named Gary Becker who wrote an amazing book called The Body Electrical.

Starting point is 01:00:20 And it's this idea that basically like DNA is the hardware and the software is actually the bioelectric field of the body, which is interacting at all times with the local electromagnetic field, which is the Schumann resonance. So I do think in some ways it looks like the Earth is like set up. Also think about it like that. Like natural selection, you need a certain amount of solar radiation to create this like a certain amount of differential selection. because of random mutations that it creates. Yeah. But you can't have too much. And you can't have too much

Starting point is 01:00:56 that penetrates the magnetosphere of the earth. So you need the Van Allen belt. So you have this like Goldilocks thing going on there. You have like a lot of these things. Yeah. Where and you can always, it's this impossible thing to say, well, you can't definitively say we're just, you know, sheer luck. And then on the other side, you can't say we're definitely simulated.

Starting point is 01:01:15 But there's, there are more points in this camp than people, you know, take seriously, at least in kind of, you know, modern academia. Yeah. It's interesting you bring up the biophysics and biochemistry topic because that's another application for some of these ancient stone structures around the world. For example, there's a temple site in Japan called the Ogami Gaishi Stone Circle, which is another one of these tough hillsides, and it has a massive stone circle, like immense pillars

Starting point is 01:01:41 of andesite stones. There's a big protruding obelisk standing stone at the top of the hill that has all of these pock marks and scars from being repeal. head of deli be struck by lightning and a huge magnetic field surrounding this pillar stone. One of the sides of the pillar stone is basically completely flattened on one side, and you can walk by it and it has a completely rotating magnetic field. It'll go 360 degrees on the compass as you move across this surface. Within the temple, there's all these protrusions and there's a hole in the side of them,

Starting point is 01:02:13 like this head-shaped hole inside of one of these anisite stones, profound magnetic and electric field radiating from the stone circle. So some of these sites are actually intended for human interface for manipulation of human biophysics, biochemistry, and electric and magnetic signals going on our body. And for some reason, when I'm at these sites, we always walk around barefoot at all the ancient sites. So we're walking around barefoot, you know, releasing negative ions and all this stuff and just connecting to the site directly.

Starting point is 01:02:44 And for some reason, I got the idea, I said, man, why don't you stick your head in that magnet hole. So I was like sticking my head in this, it's exactly a head shaped hole in this huge and a site stone that has this profound magnetic field. And the magnetic field gets stronger inside of that hole for some reason. So I stick in my head in the magnet hole and we're interfacing with the site. And I was like, dude, this is part of the function of this structure is if you knew how to do the ritual correctly, you could reestablish and reorient your body's natural magnetic field if it was out of alignment or anything like that. So I think there's interface application. for some of these structures around the world.

Starting point is 01:03:20 I don't think the pyramids, you are definitely not meant to go inside of the Egyptian pyramids. But there are other structures, for example, the temples adjacent to the Egyptian pyramids, like the Valley Temple in Giza, is absolutely intended for human interface to interact with the electric fields, the magnetic fields, and the ultrasound within the temple. Yeah, it's like a tuning fork for the body or something. Yeah, yeah. And you can, I mean, again, this sounds crazy, but you can turn molecular mass into

Starting point is 01:03:47 frequency that normal conventional science and cymatics normal conventional science the idea that you you know you can create these literal structures with sand and vibrational plates so the idea that acoustics have no effect on the body is also crazy right so uh to any skeptics out there i think you know you should definitely remain open minded on you know that hypothesis being true you really clearly explained how stone circles equal agriculture. I think a lot of people might be asking the question now, stone circles, the pyramids, two very different things. One seems like a big step function change up in, you know, advancement technologically. Explain the path from stone circle to pyramids. So I also want to talk about another phenomenon that occurs during thunderstorms and lightning strikes

Starting point is 01:04:38 was a generation of radio waves. Right. Thunderstorms and lighteners. Right. Thunderstorms and lightning generate all sorts of electromagnetic energy, specifically radio waves. And there was a paper that came out a while back that talked about the capability of the Great Pyramid to store and concentrate electric fields directly around the King's Chamber. Fascinating paper. And the input was radio waves that were used to activate this induced electric field, this concentrated electric field inside of the structure. And it wasn't until recently, shout out the folks at Demy Sigh, Shiloh, and Anastasia, that actually brought up this connection to radio waves. I was presenting the paper, and I had suggested that they should change the parameters of the

Starting point is 01:05:22 experiment to use electrical current instead of radio waves. She was like, well, don't you know that, you know, like during thunderstorms and lightning strikes, profound radio signals are generated. So there's a direct connection between lightning strikes, radio waves, and this paper that demonstrates that the pyramids are able to concentrate electric fields. So how does all this connect to stone circle technology and the power source of the Egyptian pyramids? So we talk about Tolaric current accumulation from below the structure, generating a positive charge on the surface. This directly connects to, we'll talk about the Great Pyramid. So below the Great Pyramid, there are subterranean aquifers on the Giza Plateau. We talked about that yesterday,

Starting point is 01:06:02 the water table below Giza, et cetera. There's water below the structure. There's also iron ore, hydrothermal metal mineral deposits embedded in the limestone bedrock of the Giza Plateau, which are also directly connected to sites for a tularic current accumulation. So you have these iron veins that actually emanate from the core bedrock below the Great Pyramid, also in the core bedrock of the central pyramid. So the pyramids are built on a mound of bedrock. So these iron veins facilitate the uptake of top-take of tiburis, to luric currents into the Great Pyramid.

Starting point is 01:06:39 The same phenomenon applies with dielectric polarization and electric field accumulation that generates a positive charge at the surface of, at the top of the Great Pyramid. This was also experimentally shown in the same paper when the vector of transmission from below created a substantial positive electric field accumulation at the top of the Great Pyramid, a target for negatively charged cloud-to-ground lightning strikes, which activated the chemical manufacturing sequence inside of the structure to produce sulfuric acid. The product of the Great Pyramid is sulfuric acid. And the strongest evidence that we have for this actually comes from Christopher Dunn's book,

Starting point is 01:07:20 where there was a sample analysis taken in the 1970s by Richard Flanagan, I believe it was the University of either New Mexico or Nevada, took samples from inside of the Queens Chamber and Grand Gallery, and they found that the salt accumulation that was up to an inch thick was calcium sulfate. They also found big patches of gypsum, which is also a calcium sulfate-based plaster. Calcium sulfate is a direct result of the chemical reaction between dilute sulfuric acid and calcium carbonate limestone. And by allowing that reaction to occur, you are creating a chemically insoluble salt-lake. sealer. So the chemical reaction itself creates a chemically resistant coating compound within

Starting point is 01:08:10 the Queen's chamber that protected the limestone chambers from the reaction because calcium sulfate is insoluble and dilute sulfuric acid. If it was hydrochloric acid, as Christopher Dunn proposes, there would have been calcium chloride because of the reaction between hydrogen chloride and calcium carbonate would have created calcium chloride salt. But let's back. Let's back back up for a second because I know we're getting way into the weeds. This is important though. So again, for anybody that's interested, please check out my YouTube channel. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:43 I was going to say if you want a brief overview, but neither one of the recent podcasts I've done or a brief review. No. But the mountain of evidence that supports this hypothesis is just immense. Yeah, absolutely. And I can go down any tangent or rabbit hole that you want me to. That's really clear. No, no, that's clear. I want to start with very high level. So like, you have, yeah, like, so you have stone circles into pyramids.

Starting point is 01:09:11 Okay, so let's talk about it. I want, like, I want, like, insight into, like, how, why would you create the pyramids to begin with? Yep. And then your thesis specifically on how the pyramids each, because it's a really cool thesis on how each one plays a complementary role in a kind of a chain reaction or like an assembly line rather of chemical manufacturer, chain reaction. chain reaction. So, yeah, can you give those both high level and then I will, I will be the audience surrogate kind of querying you for more in detail. So I think we should do the transition because there's an intermediary step here.

Starting point is 01:09:46 Okay. Between stone circles and then we have passage chamber reactors like New Grange. And these structures are also located all over the world. Okay. Tombuli is what they refer to these things are conventionally. You know, long passage leading into an internal reaction chamber and New Grange specifically has a tiered vault, like a tiered. tiered upper vault inside the chamber, very reminiscent of a later implementation that we have

Starting point is 01:10:09 inside the red pyramid, bent pyramid, et cetera. So within Newgrange, there is a curbstone outside of New Grange that's inscribed with all of these perplexing symbols. And based on my interpretation of these symbols, that curbstone is actually an instruction manual. It is a rudimentary depiction of a chemical reaction sequence that's telling you exactly what was happening inside of the structure. So this is the basic implementation of an encased chemical reactor system with internal chambers that's embedded in a big mound or protopiramid type structure. And it involves a very simple chemical reaction where moist circulating airflow within the structure is oxidizing pyrite or marcosite f2 iron disulfide, oxidizing iron disulfide to create ferrousulphate. So it's a very

Starting point is 01:11:04 simple chemical reaction. Air flows in the structure, picks up moisture from the water. That moist airflow circulating inside of the structure creates this chemical reaction. So that's the first example of internal chemical reactor technology that we have on the planet. You bump that up a little bit and then all of a sudden you have the Egyptian pyramids. And this is an evolution over probably a thousand years of technological development. So let's start with why they would build the Egyptian pyramids. The primary impetus for the construction of the Egyptian pyramids is harnessing the abundant natural resources in Egypt and converting them into chemical commodities. So Egypt is the primary location on the planet for the construction of these type of monuments due to the concentration of all of the

Starting point is 01:11:52 factors that are integrated in the operation of these structures. We have subterranean water. We have metal or mineral deposits. We have the ideal construction materials, the best quality limestone, granite, black basalt, everything that you would need is abundantly available in Egypt, starting with natural gas. Methane, which is an essential commodity even today for basic domestic applications, heating, lighting, etc. It's also a critical industrial chemical sin gas that is used to create other chemicals. It's a synthesis gas. So that's the, dawn of pyramid building in Egypt is extracting bedrock deposits of methane gas for domestic and industrial applications. That's stage number one. Stage number two, again, there's a big evolution and

Starting point is 01:12:44 technology between the function of the step pyramid, which utilizes an external reservoir. So all the pyramids have external reservoirs, these enclosures that surround the pyramids. Those were used to hold water that are utilized in the internal reaction chamber systems to manipulate pressure. So same thing applies to all of the pyramids. The mechanisms of operation that apply to the step pyramid, apply to the red pyramid, bent pyramid, great pyramid, and central pyramid. So you're using the external reservoir to manipulate the water level inside of the step pyramid to increase and decrease pressure within your fracking tunnels.

Starting point is 01:13:21 It's the same way we do fracking today is by pumping high pressure water into these subterranean methane deposits, you increase and decrease the pressure, which allows the methane to bubble up and be collected out of the fracking system. That's the operation of the step pyramid. We then have intermediary structures like the Pyramid of My Doom in the Fium Oasis, which was a test structure that was designed to model and implement the same physics and chemistry as the red pyramid. There was a catastrophic collapse. They abandoned that project, then moved back to Dachur, which was the original intended destination for that chemical manufacturing plant, built the red pyramid and the bent pyramid. So there are some intermediary structures that are

Starting point is 01:14:05 indicative of the evolution of technology and implementing smaller scale test structures. All of this starting on a small laboratory scale, the same way we do today. So for example, sulfuric acid, how would an ancient civilization figure out how to make sulfuric acid? It's the same way we did during the medieval period and the alchemic. investigation of chemical reactions. You take a bunch of materials, I have a raw chunk of sulfur, I set the sulfur on fire, it burns with that blue flame, and I see that there's a gas coming out of it. You design an apparatus to collect that gas in water, then you test that water on various stuff, and oh, it reacts with all these metals. Voila, sulfuric acid. You then take that sulfuric acid,

Starting point is 01:14:47 you drop it on a bunch of stuff, specifically salt in this example. Huge accumulations of sodium chloride were found inside of, of the central pyramid, which is the initial reactant within the central pyramid to create hydrochloric acid. So the Great Pyramid was producing sulfuric acid, that sulfuric acid was utilized inside of the central pyramid reacted with salt to create hydrochloric acid. So by rudimentary experimentation on a laboratory scale, we can get to the same industrial scale processes that we have in the Egyptian pyramids. Don't you wish you could just hit Skip on the worst part of your life. You know the same way you can skip an ad. I get it. I'm Siaia and I live in Ice Cove.

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Starting point is 01:16:19 system that has hydrogen sulfide gas from sulfitic groundwater. We talked a little bit about that yesterday and I showed the paper of a geological investigation of the Giza Plateau that shows hydrocarbon seepages below Giza, which also corroborates my hypothesis about the Steppe Pyramid being built on a hydrocarbon deposit methane specifically. And Giza Plateau, they specifically refer to ascending hydrogen sulfide gas, which is the exact same thing that we have at Pyramid Coromanta being the initial reactant hydrogen sulfide that is inevitably converted into sulfuric acid within the Great Pyramid. The Great Pyramid is sitting directly on top of a natural resource, which is the impetus for pyramid technology, utilizing natural resources and the power source

Starting point is 01:17:08 from the earth, so the natural resource optimization technology of this ancient civilization involves power from Tulleric currents and lightning. Natural resource, in construction materials because the construction materials and the material composition of all these different types of stone have specific properties that are implemented into various applications within all the structures again mica micaceous sandstone red granite black basalt whatever it is all of them have specific material properties we also have subterranean conductivity anomalies like spring water and mineral ore deposits that facilitate the uptake of tilleric currents i.e. the power source And then finally, natural gas and metal ore mineral reserves.

Starting point is 01:17:53 So the input for each pyramid is atmospheric electricity to the electricity. And then the output, just high level, for each pyramid is in each case. Step pyramid methane. Yep. Red pyramid ammonia. Okay. Bent pyramid. I have two hypotheses for the function of the bent pyramid.

Starting point is 01:18:12 I think it was originally used to make urea. Yeah. And it was later modified to create dilute nitric acid. Okay. So two different hypotheses for the function of the bent pyramid. We've also found coating compound within the bent pyramid that would have protected the limestone walls from the vitriolic chemical chemical chemical reaction because you want to seal that limestone because it's going to be reactive with these chemical acidic solutions. So methane, ammonia, urea, nitric acid, anything else? And then on the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau, we have sulfuric acid within the Great Pyramid, hydrochloric acid within the Central Pyramid.

Starting point is 01:18:47 and I have a developing hypothesis on the final pyramid that it was used to make a basic solution. So you have acids and bases. And so if you want to have a basic solution to neutralize the process. Sure. So you have, you know, six or seven compounds. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:04 What are you doing with, like, why are these particularly useful as far as establishing Cardishev scale one abilities? And for the audience, Cartashev scale is essentially any civilization's ability to harness power. And it's, you know, power and natural resource of the Earth.

Starting point is 01:19:26 Power and natural resource of the Earth. And then two is like, I believe, interplanetary. And three is intergalactic. And then you go up the scale. Yeah, yeah. And we're not even at one yet in modern civilization. We're rated as a 0.7 on the Cardish of scale. Yes.

Starting point is 01:19:40 And as I was talking about, you know, like hydrothermal electricity or a hydroelectric dams or nuclear power. Again, we're not harnessing the power of the earth. We're creating our own electricity, which is a different type of technology altogether. And I would say that the ancient civilization was more adept at using Earth's electricity than we are today. We're not harnessing lightning. We're not using lightning in any effective way. We're certainly not using to lurid currents because it's such a low voltage power. It's like it's a trickle of electricity that runs to the earth. So it's not applicable for industrial scale applications like we have today. So we're certainly not using this electrical power the same way that we do today.

Starting point is 01:20:25 But we have a similar style of utilizing natural resources. We extract methane today, methane mining, natural gas mining, fracking operations. All those sorts of things are definitely implemented in our technology today. So going back to why would they do this and why are these chemicals important? So a lot of people don't know that ammonia is probably one of the most important chemicals that was ever discovered and produced on an industrial scale. It is the reason that we had the exponential growth of our civilization after the industrial revolution. It was absolutely critical in the production of fertilizer that allowed our civilizations to grow

Starting point is 01:21:09 to levels that had never seen before. ammonia-based fertilizer and sulfuric acid are two of the most important chemical commodities that we make on the face of the planet today. It's often said that the advanced level of a particular country is based on the amount of sulfuric acid that it produces and consumes. Who says that? That's interesting. That's just sort of a general reference to how we can look at the level of industrialization

Starting point is 01:21:39 of any particular area. is sulfuric acid manufacturing and consumption. It's one of the indicators of the industrialization of any particular company. Why is that so fundamental to the advancement? Everything. All so many different chemical commodities are based on sulfuric acid. Basically. So it's almost like a proxy or a metric for just how productive the country is.

Starting point is 01:22:01 Correct. Yeah. It's one of the ways that you can assess the industrialization of a country. But it's less of an input or a determinant of success than it is a marker of success. Sure. Yeah, yeah. But again, ammonia. So methane, for example, we still use methane today. Natural gas. Our house in Japan and Egypt run on natural gas. Cars in Egypt run on natural gas. They actually don't use, you know, fuel like we do petroleum. They use natural gas. A lot of the cars in Egypt are converted into natural gas. That's why the U.S. is, you know, positioned strategically because we have a lot of, you know, natural gas reserves. It's a critical. It's a critical industrial chemical commodity. Same thing with a ammonia. Ammonia is absolutely huge in the agricultural industry. Again, it's one of the most important chemicals that was ever discovered and made on an industrial scale. So what do you think they

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Starting point is 01:25:47 So what do you think they were doing with these chemicals? Because we think of, we think of the pyramids as being built in like dynastic Egypt. Yeah. And the environment was a lot different back then. Even during the dynastic period, there was rain. And specifically during the Saharan humid period, there were monsoon rains sweeping through the upper eastern Sahara. They were transforming the desert into a vast area of farmland. This is a legitimate phenomenon in history.

Starting point is 01:26:16 the African humid period. So there's all this rain transforming the desert. So these fertilizers aren't necessarily related to the agricultural areas around the Nile River because during this time frame, we have a population exodus moving into the Upper Eastern Sahara. So these fertilizers are utilized in conjunction with White Horse Hill, Cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators

Starting point is 01:26:39 for terraforming applications within the Upper Eastern Sahara. And I would almost guarantee that if they were excavate in the Sahara, we would find cumulonimbus white horse hills that were excavated from bedrock formations within the Upper Eastern Sahara that were possibly responsible for creating the Saharan humid period. So you think we had weather modification technology? Essentially that's what it is. And that's another indication of the Kardashev Type 1 civilization is modification of weather.

Starting point is 01:27:11 So then... And it's reported in a lot of mythology around the planet, specifically the Tua Dadanan. which are the mythological gods of Ireland. They had magic, specifically magic to control the weather. And magic in mythology specifically refers to chemistry. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic. Yeah. For sure.

Starting point is 01:27:31 But that, okay, but this begets a really important question, which is at some point, you have to break with the conventional primitive-to-progress narrative. And it sounds like you're saying that anti-deluvian pre-ice age, we've had civilizations on Earth that were pretty advanced. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And in a different way, completely different mindset than what we have today. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:54 No, totally. In a way that, and I think this is why people love the movie Avatar so much. It's because they're like living in a harmonious way with the Earth. In direct connection with the forces of nature. One question this begets is, okay, let's say that there was this advanced antediluvian civilization. You had a great flood. You had a lot of it get wiped out. but you did have some remnant survivors,

Starting point is 01:28:16 you had some technology transfer. Let's assume all of that's true. Yeah. At what point does that knowledge get lost? Because today, we're saying that we're kind of less advanced in certain ways. Yeah. So, yeah, what point does that technology get lost? So again, around, to go back to Egyptian civilization specifically,

Starting point is 01:28:34 around 5,300 BC, the Saharan-Hubid period ends. The rains stop. Everything starts to dry out. civilization moves from the Upper Eastern Sahara back to the area around the Nile River. And this is kind of the beginning of the dynastic civilization around 3,500 BC, which is the mark in conventional history and archaeology for the beginning of dynastic Egypt. Even Egyptians and Egyptologists will tell you the civilization is much older because the hallmark of the beginning of the dynastic period is known as the reunification of upper and lower Egypt, as indicated by the Narmor palate or the Mini's palette. So reunification of upper and lower Egypt implies that upper and lower Egypt already exists prior to dynastic Egypt. And I believe it's the Palermo stone that shows that there's Egyptian civilization that dates back far before the dynastic period.

Starting point is 01:29:31 Interesting. Okay. So but what about the knowledge? Yeah. So I think the knowledge persisted. It was infused in the ancient esoteric mystery schools and hidden. It was no longer done on an industrial. scale. It was done on a small scale within these ancient mystery schools. Why do you think it got moved into mystery schools? So I never think, I don't think generally speaking, and this is just kind of my perception, I do, so the chemicals would have had industrial ubiquitous applications for the benefit of society at large, but the temples and the interface in these magnetic field temples and all of these rituals that prolong life, I don't think that was ever intended for the public. I think that they were, you know, same thing we have today. Power structures at B during that time period, and only certain individuals were allowed to participate in those life-prolonging rituals.

Starting point is 01:30:24 I still wonder what the shift is between, you know, industrial scale chemical power plants to like, even I think of like the Hellenistic period, the Greeks, the Romans, and I don't think of them as harnessing. the earth's power in quite the same way, or doing sort of geoengineering. Interesting mythology about Zeus. Uh-huh. Yeah, for sure. They do have... Zeus is the lightning god.

Starting point is 01:30:51 Yeah, Poseidon or all that stuff. Yeah, so there's some certainly some mythology that connects this civilization. But is there evidence, because you have physical evidence in the case of ancient Egypt. Do you have physical evidence in the case of, you know, later stuff? So I haven't focused on the Greek and Roman period yet.

Starting point is 01:31:09 Yeah. However, on my channel, I have members-only channel, and I do these live Google Earth investigations where people have suggested for me to look at Roman sites. And there's this same mathematical connection of 5,300 meters and 2,300 meters encoded in Roman sites as well. And these hillsides that have the same configuration as the White Horse Hills of Wiltshire, England. So interesting. So I only have, you know, so much bandwidth. And everybody's like, look at this site.

Starting point is 01:31:39 And look at this site. Look at this idea. And I only very recently started looking at Teotihuacan because that one is also encoded with esoteric alchemical information. So you have the pyramid of Ketzelkualtel. Ketal is the lightning god, telling you exactly where the lightning was striking

Starting point is 01:31:55 within the temple and what the power source is. Then you have the pyramid of the sun and the pyramid of the moon. The pyramid of the sun, the sun is an alchemical symbol for gold, and the moon is an alchemical symbol for silver. So thus, pyramids of Teo-O-Ti-Ean, Wittewakan are lightning-powered gold and silver processing facility. You know what I think you should. South American Alchemy.

Starting point is 01:32:17 Central American Alchemian. Central American Alchemis. Exactly. You know what I think you should do is like create a small commune where you just literally, I'm serious about this. You create these, you know, kind of lightning rod-like structures. Sure. You create these chemical manufacturing plants that just harness Earth energy.

Starting point is 01:32:38 You place it at a, you know, strategic site that, like, where that makes sense. And you kind of recreate the way these ancient people live. Yeah. So I have a dream for this project. Yeah. You know, I'm a self-published author. Yeah. A YouTuber with, probably now by the time you're watching, I got 70,000 subscribers.

Starting point is 01:32:58 So you can envision what that's like and living on that kind of budget. You know, I fund all of my stuff independently. And, you know, things are slowly starting to grow. I have a dream for where I want this thing to go. Yeah. And, you know, again, we're talking about Danny blowing up in the new studio. Yeah. I would love to build something like that where I have a huge alchemical laboratory.

Starting point is 01:33:19 Yeah. We're actually doing a series of experiments on, on my channel, and I've publicly and on the members-only channel, put out these experiments where I'm working with a friend from the Brainstorm channel. Shout out, Ben. So I actually got the biggest recognition that I have in my career of doing this pyramid research by a guy named Andy Hall from the Thunderbolts Project. Cool.

Starting point is 01:33:39 And he's an engineer that had a lifelong career building, designing, building, and co-operating chemical and power plants. And he wrote a huge, not a paper, but a post on his website, basically an article expousing the virtues of my work and corroborating why they are chemical manufacturing facilities that are powered by Earth's electricity. He's a member of the Thunderbolts Channel in the Electric Universe, you know, Velikovsky and all these guys. Yeah, yeah. Donald Scott. Is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was probably the biggest accolade that I've gotten in my career was recognition by Andy.

Starting point is 01:34:16 Through my work and the team at the Thunderbolts, I got in touch with this guy, Ben, who's also an electrical plasma experimental contributor to the Thunderbolts project. And we've been doing all sorts of experiments to test. For example, we recently demonstrated that stones can conduct electricity over a gap, which is the premise of my hypothesis. for the step-down voltage transformers, that they're used to distribute lightning across these spaced avenues of stone. And we experimentally demonstrated that if you induce voltage and send electrical current

Starting point is 01:34:50 into one stone, it absolutely arcs into the next stone. So we're also doing chemical experiments on surface testing, the generation of ultrasound from red granite. So there's a lot of developing experimental evidence that is going to inevitably support this hypothesis as well. So I've got academic research papers that support all of the step-by-step mechanisms of operation. Then we're also branching out into experimental evidence to test all of these things. So it's that's good.

Starting point is 01:35:23 There's a dream, the dream of where this goes. Yeah, I was going to say you should do that because I think that will take it out of this sort of liminal space of just hypothesizing and into, and that's exciting that you're doing. That's great. Yeah, like we were talking about with the. I know. You know, I got my work cut out for me. Yeah. I've, I've put in nine years of my life to this to get to where I am today. Yeah. But that for me is not anywhere near where I want this to be in the future. What's your conviction level that you're right that the pyramids are a chemical manufacturing plant? So, I mean, I'm extremely confident in this. What would you, if you had to put a

Starting point is 01:36:02 number on it? I would never say that I'm 100% sure. I'm not the, so first and foremost, I would never say that I have all the answers. Yeah. I would never say that I understand these structures. Would you say above 90? I'm extremely confident in it above 90%. Yeah, absolutely. I would never, ever say that I'm 100% right.

Starting point is 01:36:24 So I've always said in regard to my work, say I create this, it is an immense body of work. No one can argue with the amount of effort that I've put into this and the substantiating evidence. Let's say you take a look at that whole body of work. And someday, long in the future, maybe after I'm dead and gone, somebody looks at this body of work and starts to break everything down. So let's say I'm only 10% right about this entire body of work. That 10% right is going to be a massive jump forward. Yeah. Same thing like I said with Beyondy. I gave them 20%. Even if that 20% is right, it's a massive leap forward into something that we never dreamed was possible. So that's how I feel about my work and the process of creating new hypotheses.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Yeah. It's super important that people take risks and try to come up with new interpretations for the function of these structures. If we don't continue to push the envelope forward, the conversation goes nowhere, which is why I respect Felipe in the SAR team because they're trying to do something different, implementing new technology to better understand the Egyptian pyramids. I'm kind of on the other side of the coin where I'm proposing a new novel revolutionary hypothesis that not only contradicts the existing

Starting point is 01:37:38 narrative of tombs, but it's also quite different than Christopher Dunn's work. Yeah. It's actually completely different. When you look at the mechanisms of operation, how these systems operate, the mindset, the impetus, the implementation of natural resources, very, very different than Christopher Dunn's work. So you have fossilized lightning. Correct. You obviously have ammonia in certain places, you know, in the red pyramid. You have, like, a decent amount of evidence. Can you list all of the evidence somewhat highlight? I mean, it might take you years or whatever, but in the most digestible way. My favorite piece of evidence is the

Starting point is 01:38:16 calcium sulfate salt inside the Queens Chamber and Grand Gallery of the Great Pyramid, which is a direct result of this chemical reaction between dilute sulfuric acid and the calcium carbonate limestone of the chamber. And we've done multiple private tours inside of the Great pyramid where there's these strange pock marks inside of the queen's chamber so let's say this calcium sulfate failed and there was a small pocket of exposed limestone when the chamber refills with dilute sulfuric acid it's going to create another reaction the salt coating is going to develop it then stops the reaction but it creates a little divot in the limestone so that calcium sulfate is probably my favorite piece of evidence for that chemical reaction process occurring in the great pyramid

Starting point is 01:39:02 And I have an interview coming up soon with Dr. Brett Cohen, who is actually featured in the appendix of Christopher Dunn's new work. He's a PhD in chemistry. He also agrees that the Great Pyramid was producing sulfuric acid, although completely different mechanisms of operation and stages of a reaction. So we have a conversation coming up soon so we can talk about both of our mutual theories and how it differentiates from and somewhat disproves Christopher Dunn's original hypothesis. So that's probably my favorite piece of evidence. Then it comes to the chemical analysis of the iron vein, on the geese plateau, showing that there's valuable metal deposits. So, iron, nickel, lead, tin, platinum, titanium, rare earth elements like neodymium,

Starting point is 01:39:46 and then precious metals like gold and silver, are all present in the chemical analysis data of these iron veins. And we can actually, I know you are super interested, and I want to show you some images, so you want to take a look at that. Yeah, let's do it. So this is the paper, the development of sulfur. Uric acid speliogenetic deposits within cavernous middle Eocene beds and inference on hydrocarbon gas seepages, Giza Pyramids Plateau, Egypt.

Starting point is 01:40:12 So it's a geological investigation of the Giza Plateau showing that there's hydrocarbon seepages below the pyramids. Specifically referenced in this paper, hydrogen sulfide gas that's coming up from the natural karst cave and tunnel system below Giza. So seafloor hydrothermal vents. We showed this slide yesterday in the conversation with Beyondy. Basically, the Giza Plateau was the bottom of the Tethys C. Millions of years ago, the bedrock foundation of Giza was being formed at the bottom of the

Starting point is 01:40:45 Tethyst Sea. That's why the limestone of Giza is embedded with shells. Covered in shells. You can't walk anywhere on Giza without finding shells. I didn't know that. It's pneumolitic limestone. We've also found all sorts of aquatic fossils embedded in the Giza bedrock. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:41:02 It's the bottom of the seafloor. So there were millions of years ago. There were hydrothermal vents. Correct. Going from the Earth's core. So my hypothesis. Yeah. And this has never been really talked about.

Starting point is 01:41:14 The only other person that I know has even recognized these formations is Robert Schock. Okay. So Robert Schock thinks that it's a combination of two things. He proposes the idea of lightning and in conjunction with hydrothermal mineral vents. But he thinks that the Giza Plateau was hit by a solar flare. And the solar flare created Lichtenberg patterns. So are you familiar with what a Lichtenberg pattern is? So it's a branch-like formation.

Starting point is 01:41:46 It looks like a tree that happens when a dielectric material is subjected to extremely high voltage. So for example, if you take a piece of wood and you stick a high voltage current into that piece of wood, The voltage of the electric current is going to spread through that dielectric wood material and burn these branch-like Lichtenberg patterns. So that's what he thinks they are. We have chemical analysis data showing that they aren't necessarily Lichtenberg figures, but they operate due to the same principles of a Lichtenberg figure. Their natural hydrothermal metal or mineral deposits. But they work in the same way as the formation of a Lichtenberg figure, which is the transmission of high voltage electric current through the dielectric material. So they're wires.

Starting point is 01:42:42 Whoa. A natural wiring system that connects all of the components on the Giza Plateau. You're almost implying that the inputs are coming from below and from above. Like you have like lightning essentially. Correct. And then you also have hydrothermal vents. Correct. Interesting. Yeah. So the hydrothermal ancient seafloor formations created these metal mineral deposits that are embedded within the limestone bedrock of the Giza Plateau.

Starting point is 01:43:12 This is why Giza was selected. It was the prime location that had all of the natural resources that were utilized for this chemical manufacturing and metallurgical mining operation. This just feels so much more advanced than the stone circles. It's like, oh yeah. It's really, it's why. Yeah, but it's the same premise. Yeah. Tulloric currents coming from below, directly connected to natural resources like subterranean spring water and metal or mineral deposits, those Tulloric current accumulations at the site

Starting point is 01:43:43 being the prime location for lightning strikes. It makes me sympathetic. It's the same mechanism of operation. Yes. Which is, I think, a critical part of my hypothesis is that it's able to connect technology from different eras of this ancient civilization under the same umbrella.

Starting point is 01:43:59 All of the mechanisms that apply to stone circles can also be extrapolated into the function of the pyramids. It does feel like a technological great leap forward. Oh, well, it's thousands of years, too. Yeah. Thousands of years. But is there, is there? I always make the example. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:13 So from the 1500s to 2025. Sure. 2026 now. Look how far we've come. Absolutely. In 600, 500 years. Massive leap in 500 years. We were shooting muskets a hundred years ago.

Starting point is 01:44:26 Exactly. Right. So imagine, again, the same intellect. intellectual capabilities of human civilization, what they could do in a thousand years. Yeah. Look where we're going to be in a thousand years. Hopefully we're still here, right?

Starting point is 01:44:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, for me, that advancement is certainly possible given that time frame of human civilization existing. Yeah. Not to mention, if you go back to a civilization that possibly existed before the last Ice Age, they already had the knowledge.

Starting point is 01:44:54 Yeah. But they started building the simplest stuff because it was the easiest to build, and it was the most critical. What's the first thing you need? Food. Of course. If everything is frozen, at the end of the last ice age, we also got to thaw all this stuff out.

Starting point is 01:45:10 What's a better way to do that and then inject some lightning into the ground? Sure. Thaw out all the agricultural areas. Yeah. We're going to get some rain flowing. We're going to reinvigorate the earth. Electroculture is another application for this electric current. Mm.

Starting point is 01:45:24 In electroculture is an established practice. 100%. to growing plants and that sort of thing. So again, lightning stimulating to luric currents brings to luric current energy, much lower voltage, electric current to these agricultural areas. It's stimulating electroculture. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:41 By bringing lightning back to the earth. It's so fascinating. It's still, it makes me somewhat sympathetic to the ancient alien crowd, which despite my, you know, the theme of my show, I'm not always sympathetic with. Like, I often, I don't know where I stand between Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, and the idea that, like, you have hydrothermal vents

Starting point is 01:46:02 creating a natural wiring system coming from, you know, essentially below the earth on the seafloor. And then you also have the ability to harness, you know, electricity from the atmosphere, I think is really remarkable when you're talking about it's awesome. It's awesome. It's amazing. Yeah. And then it does, it does, you know, beg the question, were we intervened? with at all and why was this knowledge lost and so i want to go back to something real quick in regard to graham hancock and randall carlson i definitely didn't want to disparage them in any way when i wasn't incorporating them in the lost ancient high technology community i have the utmost respect for graham and randall you made that clear i don't take that randall randall and i are

Starting point is 01:46:47 brothers from another mother yeah and i would love for randall to hear about this yeah how have they not heard about this yet, I have no good explanation for that. Well, you're, why isn't anyone acknowledging it? I don't have a good explanation for that. So anyone that could get me in contact with them, I have people that know them that I invited Randall, uh, to our discussion yesterday. Yeah. So yeah, no.

Starting point is 01:47:12 I just, I don't know how they haven't gotten word of this yet. Yeah. But I would love for them to be introduced to this topic just so that I can have more eyes on it. Yeah. Right. I appreciate people that are. extremely qualified that want to analyze my work, which is why I'm engaging with this PhD chemist. I'm engaging with electrical engineers.

Starting point is 01:47:32 Amazing. People from the petroleum industry have all contacted me and say, hey, this is, you're on the right track. Whatever you're doing here checks a lot of boxes in terms of the applications of the ancient technology. So we've talked about, you know, the chemicals that these different pyramids are producing, the chain reaction. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:47 You know, I think everybody can take at face value that the chemicals themselves are useful in the cases of agriculture, metallurgy, mining. Yeah. Do you have good evidence that ancient Egypt was engaging in those three things, agriculture, metallurgy and mining? So you mentioned another good compelling pieces of evidence that this was happening on the Giza Plateau. Yeah. So we also have chemical analysis data from various samples of areas in the boat pits.

Starting point is 01:48:19 Are you familiar with what the boat pits are? No. So let me show you on the diagram. Yeah. So we have chemical analysis data from inside of the boat pits. We also have control samples that were taken from other areas of the geese plateau that show that's what's found in the boat pits are unique phenomenon into the boat pits. So inside the boat pits adjacent to the Great Pyramid, we find more sulfate compounds. In the boat pits adjacent to the central pyramid, we find chloride compounds, which is a direct indication

Starting point is 01:48:50 and connection to sulfuric acid production inside the Great Pyramid, because those boat pits are used as circuit breakers. Hmm. Whoa. Whoa. Wow. So I'm not, let's jump, because I'll blow your mind here, and I don't know how long we've been going, but, um, so tin, nickel, lead, platinum. This is a sample that has 35% platinum. Whoa.

Starting point is 01:49:13 From these iron veins. Well. Here we have praisodemium and neodymium. Yep. This is a sample that has thorium also, thorium, keeps popping up. So thorium is an element that is present in the black placer sand deposits on the northern coast of Egypt. And it's currently a raw material source for nuclear materials. Yeah, in China, they have a thorium reactor. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So thorium popped up not only in the chemical analysis of the staining inside the red pyramid, but it's also popped up in these iron veins. So wild. So this is silver, different concentrations of silver found in the iron veins. This is different concentrations of gold, and this is a particle of electron, which is a naturally occurring mix of silver and gold.

Starting point is 01:49:58 So the boat pit circuit breakers, so these boat pits interrupt the iron vein wiring network. They are breaks in the circuit. And we've found, so these spheres here are fused silica microspheres from the Fulgarites that were discovered in these iron deposits. Fused silica. This is me down inside one of the boat pits adjacent to the Great Pyramid. So they're circuit breakers. The Iron Vane Network connects all of the components on the Giza Plateau. And these circuit breakers were filled with dilute sulfuric acid or dilute hydrochloric acid to open and close the breaker.

Starting point is 01:50:39 So wild, man. Circuit breakers. This is a map that I created of the Iron Vane Network. Wow. It all emanates from the core of the central pyramid. and the Great Pyramid, and it spreads all across the Giza Plateau, connecting all of these various structures. Is there anything astronomically significant about the alignment of the pyramids? I know people kind of often misquote and say that it's, you know, exactly mapped to Ryan's belt. So in regard to

Starting point is 01:51:05 the King's Chamber Air shafts, a lot of people say that those are star shafts that point out to certain constellations. The original archaeological documentation shows that the shafts go horizontal at the end. They don't go diagonally pointing at stars. The termination of the air shaft is actually flat and horizontal. So they don't point in anything. The Orion correlation showing that some of these structures are connected to Orion's belt, I think that's true. And if you look at the alchemical medieval processes that they were doing,

Starting point is 01:51:40 everything with ancient alchemy was done in conjunction with celestial alignments. Like you're connected, collecting the, do during certain phases of the moon or you're waiting for a conjunction with Venus or other planets to perform these alchemical operations. They had an understanding that whether this is true or not, that chemical reactions and molecular transformations happen more effectively in conjunction with certain celestial alignments. So interesting. So many people use that for ancient alien astronaut theory. But in fact, maybe it is just very functional. Yeah. So. So, The last thing, red pyramid.

Starting point is 01:52:19 Yeah. Staining inside of the red pyramid. It's wild. You can see it. Indications of the fluid dynamics. We have experiments that demonstrate these same fluid dynamic staining patterns. Mm-hmm. And then we go to old Fritz Haber.

Starting point is 01:52:32 Mm-hmm. And this is the original apparatus that Fritz Haber made. And this is it in comparison to the three chambers of the red pyramid. Crazy. Again, there's absolutely no reason for him to put this third one on a stand like that. Mm-hmm. But it's the same configuration. that we have in the chambers of the red pyramid.

Starting point is 01:52:50 So wild. Yeah, it's crazy. I can skip through some of this stuff, and you don't have to show this on screen, but we talked about the Kardashev scale. We talked about using Earth's natural resources for the power source. This is a picture of one of the White Horse Hills,

Starting point is 01:53:03 the Uffington White Horse Hill, that were used to generate cumulonimous thunderstorm clouds, lightning, the power source, these white horse hills, cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators, that are the power sources of structures like Avebury. We talked about the Calanace Stone Circle and how these stone circles were used for terraforming applications.

Starting point is 01:53:19 This is a picture of the Saharan humid period, where 14,000 years ago, the Sahara was a desert, about 7,000 years ago, monsoon rains were transforming basically all of Africa. So huge terraforming, whether it's natural, environmental changes or implementation of ancient technology, that's up for debate for the viewers and the research community in general.

Starting point is 01:53:41 But I think it's a result of intentional terraforming, utilizing cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators and chemicals. Then we go into things like the solar, lunar, and tidal calculators that are built into structures like Avebury, because the moon also has a profound effect on lightning strikes. 25% more lightning strikes occurring during the full moon. Why is that? So it's a direct result of the modulation of the Earth's geomagnetic field and the tidal pull on the Earth from the moon. Yeah, this is a paper called the Moon effect on lightning. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:54:16 That shows that there's an increase in lightning activity in the new phase of the moon. So they were tracking the conjunctions between the sun, the earth, and the moon in order to accurately predict when lightning strikes were going to occur. And so PZE electricity, where does that play into this? So in Dunn's model, that is kind of the, that's used. So I think it's the opposite. Okay. So there's a phenomenon called inverse Piazoelectric effect. What is that?

Starting point is 01:54:40 Where the input is electricity. Mm-hmm. So in the Piazoelectric effect, the input is sound vibrations and the output is electrical current. The input in Piazo electricity is mechanical compression. Right. Mechanical forces compressing the quartz which generate electrical discharge. I think it's the exact opposite, where the input is electrical current and the output is

Starting point is 01:55:09 ultrasound. It's called the inverse Piazoelectric effect. It's how ultrasound transducers work. And what would the purpose of ultrasound be in ancient Asia? Yeah, so ultrasound is currently being used in a discipline called sonochemistry, which is sound chemistry, as a catalyst for chemical reactions. Whoa. So the King's chamber and the anti-chamber within the Great Pyramid are acoustic catalyst chambers

Starting point is 01:55:31 that catalyzed the chemical reaction between sulfur dioxide and oxygen into sulfur trioxide to produce sulfuric acid. When did we figure out sono chemistry, like in modern civilization? So I don't know when the investigation started. on that, there was a paper that mentioned that it was looked at during the 1970s, but it's kind of a newer discipline where they're starting to use ultrasound for various chemical reactions. One specifically that comes to mind is called sono-hydrogen, where we're using ultrasound to break down water molecules to produce hydrogen and oxygen, which is my hypothesis

Starting point is 01:56:06 for the function of the serapium. The underground tunnel system that has those big boxes, that's the serapium. So again, we're utilizing all of these natural resources, converting natural resources into a variety of chemical commodities, which is exactly what we do today. This is showing the concentration of methane deposits around the Nile River in Egypt, the sacred flame, the impetus for the construction of the step pyramid. This is the step pyramid and have actual animations that show how the step pyramid works. Lightning. This is talking about the connection between Tulleric currents and lightning are intimately linked, also directly connected to subterranean natural resources, the alchemical American alchemy, or Boros, right? Connect

Starting point is 01:56:44 between recirculating electric current in the earth, because lightning also stimulates telluric currents. So, talluric currents are directly connected to the location for lightning strikes. Lightning strikes stimulate more pulses of tilluric currents. So it's a recirculating electric current system within the earth. The Orboros. Again, the Egyptian pyramids, for example, the steppe pyramid, harnessing natural gas, hydrogen being produced in the serapium,

Starting point is 01:57:10 sulfur and air being converted to sulfur trioxide within the Great Pyramid to produce sulfuric acid, hydrogen and nitrogen being transformed in the red pyramid to create ammonia. Both of those two can be combined to create ammonium sulfate. And ammonium sulfate usefulness is fertilizer. Yeah, yeah. So this is one of the stones of Yoshido Ishi Hill. And this, the scarring pock marks and melted top of this stone are a result of lightning strikes directly on that stone.

Starting point is 01:57:38 Can I ask you a question? Yeah, of course. What would be your number one prediction, bold, prediction based on this hypothesis. Yeah. So if you're right, it could be something like the Beyondy thing, but different. So like you're guessing that you would find another structure underneath the pyramids. What's the thing that you would predict we'll discover in our lifetime that will further corroborate

Starting point is 01:58:04 your work? That we would discover in our lifetime. Yeah. That's an interesting question. and no one's ever asked that before, that would further substantiate my work. So it's actually kind of directly connected to the Biondi thing.

Starting point is 01:58:24 Okay. And the scans of what's really below the Giza Plateau. So I remember my first trip to Egypt, and I immediately got the sense that what we see above ground is only 50% of what's really there. Yeah. And there is absolutely stuff below Giza. So, for example, the extraction network,

Starting point is 01:58:43 and the subterranean infrastructure that supports the above-ground manufacturing processes, there are tunnels and chambers and shafts all below the geese plateau, not a kilometer deep, but relatively shallow below the surface, there are absolutely undiscovered shafts and chambers. For example, there are three openings on the back of the Sphinx enclosure, one of which has been corroborated by a friend of mine in the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities to connect into the Queen's Chamber of the Great Pyramid, which would be the connection from the Queen's Chamber into the extraction shaft system

Starting point is 01:59:20 that then connects into the Sphinx enclosure, which is the final stage of what was happening on the Giza Plateau. So there's an underground transverse horizontal shaft system that connects all of those vertical bedrock shafts that we were talking about yesterday. It's the industrial infrastructure below the Giza Plateau. The investigation of that is critical in understanding

Starting point is 01:59:41 and sort of proving this industrial chemical manufacturing hypothesis. Same thing below the red pyramid. If we had some scanning technology that could look into the red pyramid and look below the red pyramid, there should be an extraction shaft coming from below the final synthesis chamber of the red pyramid. The discovery of something like that

Starting point is 02:00:06 would be monumental in pushing the needle forward in proving this hypothesis. And how do we take, steps to find the extraction trap. Good luck convincing the Ministry of Antiquities to investigate anything that conflates the conventional hypothesis. Right. There is a conflict to the pharaonic barrel hypothesis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do not approve projects like that. That's so unfortunate. So that's why kind of circumventing that, like, Biondi wants to do, the SAR team members cannot be actively involved in any project. Their affiliation with any excavations will immediately

Starting point is 02:00:41 result in the disqualification of the approval process. Sure. So that's why he's saying he was going to take a step back from it and let somebody else sponsor it. Just let's clean out the trash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:53 Simple, non-invasive, constructive projects that could just clean up some of that stuff and, hey, let's just dig out the trash and get to the bottom of this shaft. See where it goes. I highly, I don't think they're going to allow that. Yeah. Even just that project, I would be extremely. surprised. So unfortunate too, because I think if you're at the apex of, you know, ancient advanced technology a la chemical chemical manufacturing or if done is right,

Starting point is 02:01:25 if any of these things are true, that is so much cooler than we have this monument that was basically just a, you know, burial, you know, pharaonic tomb or whatever. So I've had even Andy Hall said, if any of this is right. it would be an absolutely monumental discovery. And I say the same thing. It's most GDP boosting thing if you're Egypt. Even if 10% is correct of my whole body of work at the end of my lifetime, that 10% would be huge. And in the process of falsifying, anything that I've proposed, we're going to get closer

Starting point is 02:01:59 to the truth anyway. Yeah, exactly. So by saying this is right and this is wrong, we're going to take those pieces that are right and then we're going to implement it into a new model. We'll discard the pieces that are wrong and then we'll try new stuff. And eventually we're going to build that framework of what's right and what's wrong and will come to the apex conclusion of what actually is the truth. So again, I think that's why it's important to not look at just the great pyramid. That's an extremely restricted perspective on ancient pyramid technology.

Starting point is 02:02:30 How can you only focus on the one thing? What about all the rest of them? And if your mechanisms of X, Y, and Z do whatever, why don't those apply to all the rest of them? Do any other kind of ancient archaeological people, like Graham Hancock, Robert Schock, like how do they view your theory? Do they know what to do with it even? Or is it like hard for them to process?

Starting point is 02:02:52 You've probably noticed that I get, I've gotten barely any recognition in the community. I don't track. None of the big names will even touch my work. Why is that? So there, a lot of them are. If they're saying it's not a tomb, and then you have two people saying construct

Starting point is 02:03:09 things you and Dunn, why wouldn't they take the other, yeah, there's a very close-knit community of these people. Interesting. And they only deal within that community. And I am not a member of said community. So there's like in-group, back-group. Nor do I have any desire to be. And they're all on board with Christopher Dunn's theory.

Starting point is 02:03:31 Okay. And will essentially reject anything that is the alternative of Dunn's theory. Would you ever debate Christopher Dunn? Oh, I wouldn't debate. him. It was the same thing with Felipe. We're a conversation. I would absolutely have a conversation with Dunn. Do you think he'd ever be?

Starting point is 02:03:44 I know for a fact he's familiar with my work. Do you think he'd be? I think it's been also brought up to Randall Carlson. They have to be, you know, I've gained enough traction just based on sort of grassroots growth. You know, I haven't had exponential growth of my channel. I have 70,000 subscribers, which is nothing in comparison to some of the larger channels out there. And it's been slow, steady, painstaking growth.

Starting point is 02:04:09 Yeah. Like absolutely excruciating trying to grow the channel. And every podcast I do, I get a little boost here, a little boost there. But it's never been that population explosion of people that are interested in my work because it's not as sexy as pyramid power plants. Right. Sure. That's what Andy Hall said. He's like, it's a very mundane and practical theory.

Starting point is 02:04:29 And people don't want mundane and practical when it comes to ancient technology. Well, you've got to go where the facts lead. And I do think that some sort of Socratic roundtable that was just, open and good vibes. But those, those, those, those people generally refuse to even acknowledge my work or mention it on a public settings. Do you think done would speak to you? Do you think done would show up on a podcast?

Starting point is 02:04:49 I have no idea. I've never spoken to him. I don't know about him personally. Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, I've only had, you know, shout out Hugh Newman, Luke Caverns, Danny. Yeah. People like you are the only ones that have been willing to enter a Matt, Matt, Matt Bell, limitless podcast.

Starting point is 02:05:03 Um, you know, they're, they're advocates of my work. And they're people that have been, um, extremely supportive and willing to kind of give me a public platform to talk about these things. But I'm completely happy just doing my own thing. I don't need acknowledgement or recognition from the community at large because generally I don't I don't respect the opinion of any of these people with the exception of people like Christopher Dunn because he is an engineer. Randall Carlson, I have a lot of respect for Randall Carlson, but there's some individuals in the ancient alternative history scene that I don't even want to be affiliated with, period. So don't talk about my

Starting point is 02:05:39 work because I want it to stand on its own. Well, one thing, even if I were to take a step back from the thing, yeah. Because people, when it comes to me personally, people either love me or they absolutely hate me. Yeah. You know, it's a very straw man argument where I don't have qualifications to be talking about this. It's all wild bullshit.

Starting point is 02:05:55 Yeah, but that's that whole world of people like that. Sure, yeah. And that's just the the toxicity of the community in which we live in terms of being YouTube. Well, you mentioned, because I brought up the Ben Van Kirkwick and, you know, Uncharted X, and he has this idea of, you know, this large labyrinth under Hawara and this sort of tick-tack-shaped 40-meter-long object. And I asked you about this, and you said this came from a blog post. Yeah, yeah, so one of the guys that did the scans.

Starting point is 02:06:23 Yeah. This was actually, the labyrinth has been known about for a long time. Yeah. It is not new news. And the recent scanning... It is cool, though. It's wild. The recent scanning, so everybody knows that the labyrinth is there.

Starting point is 02:06:35 There is absolutely zero argument from the archaeological community that that's down there. Yeah. There was an expedition, I think it was 2008, called the Mataha expedition. They GPR scanned it. They found that there's a huge slab, limestone slab that's actually not the floor, but actually the roof of this underground chamber system. So they have had legitimate expeditions and excavations in Hawara, but the logistics of getting under there, the whole thing is underwater because of this canal that was excavated through the site. So the whole thing is underwater. So it involves incredibly sort of risky logistics. that would potentially damage the structure. And when it comes to Egyptian excavations, anything that is potentially hazardous to the structure will never be approved in terms of excavation. They would rather opt for preservation of the monument than potential destruction.

Starting point is 02:07:23 So there's a lot of logistics and money that's needed for the excavation of Hawara, and nobody's coughing it up right now. The question I would have is that I think is really important for your work that I would look into if I were you, is like, when did this exactly get lost and move into these like hermetic substructures or whatever because that seems like really important.

Starting point is 02:07:44 So I'm going to say something very controversial, but fuck it. Go for it. So the quote, lost ancient high technology. Yeah. Is a crutch for people that don't have original content. Mm. Mm. No, that's great that you're saying that.

Starting point is 02:07:58 But I think the onus is on you to explain why we're not doing this as the default as far as, you know, Why are we not at the Cardishchev 1, but we were at the Cardishab 1 10,000 years ago? Yeah, so we've lost our connection to natural phenomenon. And I don't know where that transition occurred where the ancient mystery schools sort of maintained that connection to natural phenomenon, but it's possibly connected to the development of modern religion. Yeah. Where we no longer are nature, spirit, worship type people.

Starting point is 02:08:32 We are completely absent from our connection to the earth. and it's conjunctions with the solar system and universe in general. Yeah. So I used to have a cushy career job. I had a house. I had a car. What were you doing? So I was the regional director and lead sales guy, but by virtue of being the only regional

Starting point is 02:08:54 employee. So I was the regional director for the state for a large commercial cleaning company. So I did outside sales. I did all the operations, customer service, management of the company, et cetera, you know, corporate nine to five career job yeah um had a beautiful house had a car living the american dream making gobs of money and i gave it all up i quit my career i sold my house i sold my car i sold everything i owned to go be a self-published author and a YouTuber to go live in egypt explain that transition uh so that's a that's a wild story so um i went to egypt for the first time in 2017

Starting point is 02:09:32 Oh, this is a good story too about the chameleine eye, Google A person. This was my first research trip to Egypt. And shout out to the amazing friend Yusuf Aweon. I'm sure you've heard his name. He is the biggest sort of alternative tour guide in Egypt. His father was a prolific tour guide in Egypt. And Yusuf has carried the torch of being the basically gatekeeper of ancient secrets in Egypt. If you're interested in the ancient stuff, you go with Yusuf.

Starting point is 02:10:02 So I tracked Yusuf down, and I was actually going to investigate this hypothesis about the Great Pyramid producing electricity. I wanted to see it for myself. So you were inspired by Christopher Dunn. Of course, yeah. So again, just because I disagree, same thing with Felipe. Sure, sure, sure. Just because I disagree with him doesn't mean I don't have respect for him. He is the godfather of functional pyramid technology hypothesis.

Starting point is 02:10:28 And others have proposed the same output. The Great Pyramid is a power plant. Power plant, power plant, power plant, only focusing on the Great Pyramid. So I go to Egypt, 2017, with Yusuf. Our first stop was a site called Abu Sear. And I found this in-situ artifact. There is a pyramid known as the Pyramid of Nijusir. And adjacent to the pyramid of Niu-Soray, there is an eastern temple.

Starting point is 02:10:56 Below the eastern temple, there is a red quartzite conduit system. This red quartzite conduit goes underneath the black paving, black basalt paving of the Eastern Temple, and it deposits into a red quartzite collection bowl. Some sort of liquid was pouring into that bowl. To me, that was the first indication that the pyramids aren't actually producing or collecting electricity, but the output was rather chemicals. The origin of the science of chemistry dates back to the dynastic Egyptians. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. They were the first people to make...

Starting point is 02:11:30 Isn't chem? It's an Egyptian, like, you say land of chem. Yeah, so I was going to get to that. Yeah, so they were the first to make synthetic pigments. Calcium copper silicate, known as Egyptian blue, is the first synthetic pigment that was ever created on the planet. They were the first to make pharmaceuticals. They were the first to make cosmetics, all or which are alchemical disciplines. And our modern word for chemistry, the etymology of that word goes back to the root word chem, K-H-E-M, meaning the blackness, which is a reference to the alluvial nile soil. Nile River flooding creates this very rich soil, alluvial soil around the Nile River, very, very dark in color, it's black. So the land of Kemp traces back to the name for that chem alluvial soil. However, the word chem is also directly connected to the Egyptian science of chemistry through the stages of alchemy, the first is which is known as the black stage, the Negreto. So there's three stages of the alchemical process, the Negredo, the albedo, and the rubato, the black, white, and red, which is also directly connected to the three colors of stones that are utilized in the construction of the pyramids, all which have specific functions in these structures, black basalt, white limestone,

Starting point is 02:12:43 and red granite, directly connected to the three stages of alchemy and integrated using specific material properties into the function of the pyramid structures. So my work is called the land of KEM, K-H-E-M. KEM is the etymological root word of al-Kemmy, which, became our modern word for chemistry. So the name of my channel and the name of my work is the land of chem. It's a play on words for the original name of Egypt, the land of chem, but it's CHM for the land of chemistry instead of K-H-E-M. So we're investigating Abusir. I'm looking at this collection bowl immediately in my head chemistry. I knew that alchemy was born in ancient Egypt. This really resonated with me as being a more likely explanation for the function of the pyramids

Starting point is 02:13:30 because you don't collect electricity as a liquid in a bowl. No. No. So I was like, okay, this is artifact number one that put me on the journey investigating industrial chemical scale production. And side note, I really appreciate actually being able to do a conversation because normally I go right into a presentation and I don't often have a chance to do an engaging conversation and tell these kind of stories anymore. So I really appreciate that. It's going to be a fun time. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:13:57 And we may dive into some important materials. here in a little bit. We'll just see where it goes from here. Beautiful. So the next site we go to is the red pyramid in Dachor, which is where I started my reverse engineering of the Egyptian pyramids. It was actually investigating the red pyramid. So I didn't know that we were going to get a chance to go inside this thing. So we go inside the red pyramid. I'm looking at the tiered upper vault. There's chemical staining all over the walls and an intense smell of ammonia that emanates from the final chamber. The smell 100% comes from from the final chamber and it gets less and less intense

Starting point is 02:14:33 the further away you get from the final chamber. Do we know it is ammonia? Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah. Fast forward, you know, several years into the future from then, I knew it was chemical staining on the walls when I looked at it originally. The conventional explanation is that it's from bats.

Starting point is 02:14:50 Fast forward five years, we now have chemical analysis data that was taken of this staining on the walls of the red pyramid that conclusively proves it has absolutely nothing to do with bats. It's a combination of metal oxides that create this chemical staining on the walls of the chamber. So I'm looking around the structure,

Starting point is 02:15:07 I'm like, what's all this staining from? And it gets darker and darker, the higher you go up into the chamber. So I was like, okay, maybe something is being compressed into the upper reaction chamber here, and that's what's creating this really dark nebulous staining

Starting point is 02:15:21 in the upper portion of the chamber. We're exploring, we get to the final chamber. I'm like, dude, it smells like ammonia, pure chemical ammonia. And my wife and I, Shout out to my beautiful wife, Alexa, Archaeo Alchemy, who's always sitting over there patiently. We've been in tons of other structures that have bats in Egypt. We've been in Mastaba 17 that is filled with bats.

Starting point is 02:15:39 We've been in the tomb of the birds that is filled with bats. We've been into the subterranean labyrinth system below the eastern temple of the pyramid of Wunis. There's another underground labyrinth that's adjacent to the pyramid of Wunice and Sakara, filled with bats. The smell of Batcave is completely different. It smells like a rodent cage. So I'm having this crazy experience on the first two days of this adventure. We go back to the hotel and I remember driving, I'm like, maybe these things are industrial-scale chemical manufacturing things.

Starting point is 02:16:10 So I'm like marinating on this idea and it's like maybe they're making ammonia. I know ammonia is for fertilizer. I was like, well, that kind of makes sense that at least one of these pyramids is for agricultural applications. So we go back to the hotel and I had to go get my room key reactivated or something of that nature. So I go up to the front desk and I'm given in the room key and I hear behind me. So I'm born in the northern United States, but I was living in southeastern United States and I recognized a very distinct southern accent behind me. So I turn around and there's this guy with his Egyptian tour guide or escort and he was by himself. So I turn around and I said, hey man, where are you from?

Starting point is 02:16:48 And he says, I'm from the exact same town where you're from, right down the street from where I live. And so I was like, all right, that's kind of a strange coincidence to just run into this guy, five minutes down the road from where I live, in the hotel, random occurrence. Well, did he say it like that? Like he knew where you were from? Oh, so I said, where are you from? He said, I'm from blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 02:17:10 Okay. And I was like, okay. He's like, I live in this area. I'm like, okay. Whoa. And I'm looking at him in the eyes. And he has these big bulbous eyes. And, you know, like chameleon, like kind of like they operated

Starting point is 02:17:23 independently where one was kind of looking over, it was like really, really weird. And I was very much interested. I was intrigued by this guy. It was something very compelling about this guy. And I was like, this is weird. So this guy's from the same place. He's got the weird looking eyes. He's got this crazy vibe.

Starting point is 02:17:41 And I was like, hey, man, what are you doing tonight? He's like, oh, nothing. I'm just getting settled in the hotel. It's like, why don't you come to dinner? And we'll all sit down and have dinner and talk about our experience in Egypt and what we're doing here. So he's like, okay, yeah, yeah. So my friend and I go to.

Starting point is 02:17:53 to sit to dinner. This guy comes down and we kept offering him food. Like we sit down and have this lavish meal, beautiful meal, all these drinks and fantastic food. I'm like, do you want, no, no, no, I don't want anything to eat. Don't want anything to drink. So didn't anything, didn't drink anything with these crazy looking eyes. And then he starts probing, like not probing me from an alien sense. Yeah, yeah. Like asking me these questions. He's like, so what are you investigating in Egypt? And I was like, well, we're looking about the function of the pyramids. He's like, interesting. Why don't you tell me more about your theory? So I was like, okay, well, I was looking it electricity, but now I'm leading more towards chemicals. And he's interesting. He's like,

Starting point is 02:18:26 what kind of chemicals do you think? And he kept on just asking these really methodical questions regarding this theory that I had just generated that day. So he was really just almost interrogating me. Yeah, in a way that probably helped you flesh out this theory. Well, so I was also very caught off guard by this because there was something that was really strange about this individual. The coincidence, yeah, you may run into somebody from your hometown overseas. I get that. But there was just something super weird about this guy. And the questions he were asking was so poignant

Starting point is 02:18:59 and almost one step ahead of where I was. So he was asking me kind of these leading questions that was, it was such a weird experience. So anyway, start talking about the serapium and the function of all these different things. And he was interjecting several possibilities, why don't you consider this or why don't you consider that? And I was like, okay,

Starting point is 02:19:20 that's super interesting. And I was like, well, why don't we keep in touch during our trip here in Egypt? And, you know, we exchanged numbers on WhatsApp. And I tried to message him. And he said he was working for the, I was like, so what are you doing here? He's like, I work for the TSA. I'm stationed in France. Instead of going home on my leave to see my family, I decided to come to Egypt. And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, I'm only here for one day. You know, I'm here to see the pyramids and I'm going back and instead of going to see my family, I decided to come to Egypt. And I was like, none of this is making sense. It's all super weird. So I just kind of registered that experience. And it's stuck with me to this day where when I'm telling it now, I kind of get

Starting point is 02:20:02 chill bumps on the back of my neck. How did you leave? Did you just, you just? So again, we kind of wrapped up. We finished our dinner. I was like, that was super interesting conversation, shook his hand, got his number. I was like, hey, I'll be in touch. You know, maybe we'll touch base when I get back to town and, you know, et cetera, et cetera. I attempted to message him later in the future and he just kind of like disappeared in thin air. You never heard from him again? You ever got his name, tried to look him up.

Starting point is 02:20:24 I did, I did have his name. I tried to look him up. Nobody that existed under that name, no Facebook profile, no Instagram profile, nothing like that. What? And he had googly eyes. Because googly eyes. And I remember there were several times where I looked at him directly in the eye.

Starting point is 02:20:38 Yeah. And it was like they were kind of moving independently where, you know, that happens. And some people have weird. Weird eyes or whatever. I don't have that happens in men in black, the movie. I've noticed that also. So it just, it really stuck with me. Very strange experience during my first trip to Egypt.

Starting point is 02:20:54 Who do you think that dude was who was leading you down the path with the structured questions? Oh, man. I don't, I don't know. It was, um, because that, because that has to, that has to work into a working world view. It feels like so, um, not foundational to the work because it doesn't, obviously, you've, you've accumulated so much substance and corroboration since then. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:21:17 But foundational to the inspiration, like, it feels like this, like, interesting, like, okay, you're getting teed off by this, like, weirdly knowledgeable, mystical dude. So I don't have a good explanation for that. Yeah. My work is certainly adjacent to the UFO phenomenon, uh, interdimensional, sure. Possibly spiritual visitors, that sort of thing. one of the followers of my channel, shout out Vince, he said it was a kachina.

Starting point is 02:21:48 Are you know what the kachina are? No. Sort of these maybe sort of angelic people that are kind of watchers or, you know, spiritual people that are got spirit guides or whatever from the Native American traditions. He's like, that's a kachina that came to make sure you were on the right path. So I don't have any good explanation for that. All I know, it was one of the creepiest encounters to use the word encounter. creepiest encounters I've ever had in my life. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:22:14 I was kind of shaken to the core for the entire evening and following day after that. And I couldn't shake this very strange sensation that I had from that meeting. Do you have? I've had other experiences with that where, you know, the Googly eye phenomenon is something that I, I recognize now. Yeah. And so when I see individuals that have that physical feature, I always, it just kind of takes me back to that experience. And I'm like, this is, like, what,

Starting point is 02:22:46 I saw another one, you know. Do you have a theory as to who that guy was? I have no idea. I have no idea. The questions were very, um, they were disturbing in a sense. Yeah. Because he already knew where my mind was going in, in advance of the conversation. And again, you run into people from your hometown and when you're traveling abroad,

Starting point is 02:23:08 like, oh, hey, we're from the same place. Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was there by himself. Like, people don't just, people do go to Egypt by themselves. And, you know, these things happened. But I was, I was very much caught off guard. But even though I was disturbed by the sort of line of questioning and interrogation,

Starting point is 02:23:25 I was super drawn in. And there was something about this. I got to sit down with this guy and, like, you know, pick his brain a little bit about what he's doing here. And it was just a very, very strange encounter. That's extremely strange and interesting. Dude, this was epic today. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed this.

Starting point is 02:23:42 It's so nice to kind of take a break away from the presentation and just talk and have a conversation about these things. I'm sure there's going to be pushed back of, oh, you don't have any evidence to support this stuff. Go watch any of the other podcasts. No, you clearly have an abundance of evidence. I think it's, I don't know, I just hope you keep going. And I think for a lot of people, it's not evidence, it's epistemics. And it's the way they think and it's certain things can't be true. because they seem beyond belief to them.

Starting point is 02:24:12 I would say that what you're describing is less beyond belief than Christopher Dunn and a lot of the other hypotheses. Thank you. Thank you. So, no, but, but, but, but, much love and respect to all the predecessors that laid the foundation for me to be able to do this. I'm certainly, you know, I have utmost respect for Dunn

Starting point is 02:24:29 and Robert Bouval and Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and those are the godfathers of all of this. Yeah. And if they hadn't done what they had done, people like me would probably never have come to the conclusion that there's potential for more to be discovered in this. Yeah, no, this was amazing. And yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 02:24:46 And go check out Land of Chem. Jeffrey, appreciate your time, man. This was epic. Thank you so much. So let me just give a quick shout out to, again, my beautiful wife, Alexa. Her channel is Archaeo Alchemy. We also have another travel adventure and culinary experience channel called Let's Go with Lexin-G where we do food ratings and Japanese temples and all this other stuff.

Starting point is 02:25:05 Cool. And to all you cat lovers out there, I take care of a family of Egyptian street cats, We have another channel called Egyptian Trashcats. Go check that out. Please subscribe. Again, my channel is the land of Ken. Dude, thank you so much. Oh, thank you, man.

Starting point is 02:25:18 You're prolific. In a wild ride. That was awesome. Thanks, Jeffrey. All right. All right. All right. Later.

Starting point is 02:25:22 Cool.

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