American Alchemy with Jesse Michels - Epstein & UFOs: The Secret Science Honeypot (Ft. Jay Anderson & Kurt Metzger)

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code AMERICANALCHEMY at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: ⁠https://incogni.com/americanalchemy We dive into the complex web of power dynamics surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, exploring his connections to eugenics, secret science, and the influence of intelligence agencies. The discussion also touches on the intersection of UFO phenomena, ancient civilizations, and the role of Templars in shaping modern narratives.  We look at the dark side of celebrity culture and the conspiracies that continue to surround Epstein's legacy, questioning the narratives presented to the public and the deeper truths that may lie beneath.  | Jay Anderson | YouTube ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectUnity X ➤https://x.com/TheProjectUnity | Kurt Metzger | YouTube ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow X ➤https://x.com/kurtmetzger -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤  https://whop.com/jessemichels Patreon  (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://www.patreon.com/c/JesseMichels Discord ➤https://discord.gg/crHc44m3kF Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelsClips Website ➤ https://www.jesse-michels.com/ Merchandise ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Media Inquiries ➤ [e-mail] #UFO #DeepState #Epstein #JesseMichels #ProjectUnity #KurtMetzger #JayAnderson Tags - Project Unity, Kurt Metzger, Jay Anderson Chapters 00:00 The Power Dynamics of Epstein's Network 03:07 Epstein's Obsession with Eugenics and Secret Science 05:55 UFOs and the Intersection with Epstein's Legacy 08:50 Exploring Ancient Civilizations and Their Mysteries 12:11 The Role of the Templars and Esoteric Knowledge 14:59 The Influence of Intelligence Agencies on UFO Discourse 18:03 The Dark Side of Celebrity and Power 20:55 The Conspiracy of Silence Surrounding Epstein 23:57 The Intersection of Science Fiction and Reality 26:52 The Legacy of Manson and Epstein's Connections 29:59 The Unraveling of the Epstein Narrative 59:18 Exploring MK Ultra and Monarch Programming 01:02:26 The Symbolism of Pleasure Island and Subconscious Desires 01:06:10 The Influence of Epstein and Financial Crimes 01:10:39 The City of London and Financial Corruption 01:13:42 The Role of Secret Societies in Power Dynamics 01:18:11 UFOs, Whistleblowers, and the Disruption of Truth 01:22:15 The Intersection of Esotericism and Reality 01:26:34 The Nature of Non-Human Entities and Their Influence 01:30:25 CERN, Portals, and High-Energy Physics 01:35:40 The Montauk Experiments and Remote Viewing 01:39:22 The Moon Landing and the Role of NASA 01:43:06 The Influence of Adrenochrome and Mind Control 01:48:37 The Role of Humor in Understanding Conspiracy 01:51:58 The Ego in the UFO Community 01:54:36 The Nature of Pranks and Intel Operations 01:57:32 The Intersection of Science and Conspiracy 02:01:49 Acoustic Technologies and Ancient Civilizations 02:10:17 Subterranean Structures and Their Mysteries 02:22:38 Theories of Advanced Ancient Technologies 02:32:14 The Legacy of Giants and Ancient Knowledge 02:40:12 The Influence of Non-Human Intelligence 02:53:36 The Role of Disinformation in Modern Discourse Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah, like, I would agree with Kozlov. President Trump is confronting a growing backlash from his own base. The fight is dividing MAGA supporter. Donald Trump, he promised them so he needs to do it. Just this month, we learned a very hard truth that our government is not our government. It's controlled by deeper power structures involving systems of blackmail and compromise. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years.

I'm, of course, talking about the notorious case of Jeffrey Epstein. His handler, Ghislaine Maxwell, and their client list, the rich, powerful elite that he procured sexual favors for from unwilling underage women. And on the wall, there was a big artwork of a woman being by a walrus. Oh, wow. I'm also talking about Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi, Trump, and his whole team.

campaigning on exposing Epstein's network, and then turning around and gaslighting the American public, acting like Epstein was a lone actor who took his own life in jail. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Just like you have the lone shooter theory with JFK, claiming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. He obviously didn't. You have the lone sex trafficker theory with Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody believes the state line here.

And this time, due to social media and podcasts, nobody believes anybody else believes this. And it's not going away. I know from fact documents are being suppressed. And they're being suppressed to protect individuals. Wired Magazine, a fairly conventional tech publication, just revealed that the metadata from Jeffrey Epstein's prison cell video that was supposed to point to a suicide had been edited, likely using Adobe Premiere. And when it was originally released, a whole minute was.

missing. Gislane Maxwell is in jail right now for sex trafficking, but there are no perpetrators of the actual crime. Who were her clients? She sex trafficked young women, too. You have all these women, these victims coming out, but you have no clients. That's a basic logical fallacy. Justice now is holding accountable to perpetrators that helped him and participated with him. That is unbelievable. Finally, Team Trump is doing something really interesting. They are just engaging in the typical political food fight. They could say that the FBI under Biden just destroyed the evidence around Epstein

because Trump telegraphed that they wanted transparency. But no, they're acting like Epstein was some lone sexual deviant who isn't part of some larger shadow network that actively has leverage over American leaders. They're gaslighting and telling you to look away. And quite honestly, they're acting like they themselves are compromised. Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else,

else looking at this? Well, he's dead. So, you know, in general, you always have to be careful. Anyways, like I said, everybody knows all this stuff. I don't have to tell it to you. What interests me and what we're going to cover on the show are the deeper threats around Jeffrey Epstein. What was he actually doing?

He certainly was not a financier in any standard sense. Really? That was a cover story, yes. The thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own. race, like he would talk about his own big people. Like the egg guy, you know. Right, so like maybe...

To figure out what the hell is going on here, I brought my buddy Jay Anderson on from Project Unity. He runs a great channel that's gone deep into UFOs, secret science, and ancient archaeology. Okay, because if they were taking eggs, they've got underground laboratories, right? I'm taken there in September.

I think they've taken my eggs. They clone a baby in 2002. No one ever hears about anything again. Perhaps one of the lesser-known threads about Epstein was his obsession with secret science. More specifically his obsession with gravity and propulsion. He would fly physicists out to his island, Kip Thorntz, Stephen Hawking, Murray Gelman. He funded Lawrence Krauss on the order of $250,000. I desperately want to know why Jeffrey Epstein knew so much about my work.

And I want to know why he was connected to my graduate program. How did you know he was connected? You can Google it. But he was also obsessed with the Kazimir effect, a scientific anomaly that might point to some form of zero point or vacuum energy, and if harnessed correctly, might unlock an entirely new mode of interstellar propulsion. On his little St. James Island, he built a temple with a cult symbology, and one of his victims claimed to see a UFO while on Zora Ranch.

I saw a UFO when I was there, you know, outside at New Mexico, I went to have a cigarette and I saw a weird, like, lights flying, and then I had the weird thing waking up in the lab. It was like he was a front, a global honey trap for secret science, arbitraging the lameness of modern academia and the sexual repression of its scientists. Perhaps the weirdest throughline with Epstein when it relates to UFOs is the fact that former OSS officer, Donald Barr, was headmaster of the Dalton Preparatory School

around the time that Epstein got his job as a teacher there. Remember, the OSS was the predecessor to the CIA. Donald Barr wrote a sci-fi book called Space Relations about a future where humans have formed an intergalactic empire ruled by aristocrats. Half the book is about this intergalactic elite class systematically trading underage sex slaves and often using them to gain leverage over other elites. Ring a bell? Donald Barr's son is a guy named William. The Attorney General under Trump, who personally visited Epstein's jail cell after he died to

interview his last known cellmate, Ephraim Stone Reyes, who apparently expressed skepticism around Epstein's suicide. Reyes died conveniently from COVID shortly thereafter. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. Here you go! We discuss it all. A cult control system, secret societies, mind control, Epstein, secret science. and we even bring our special friend along, Kurt Metzger.

The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Stephen Seagull. Hey, why do Disney kids turn out how they do? Well, Disney, the fucking Rosicrucian, that allowed the CIA to do stuff to them underneath Disneyland, and that's real. Insanity ensued. Maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time. Jay's expressed some frustration with UFO disclosure. He's also the only channel to interview a former director of the NSA and deputy director of the CIA on UFOs.

But he's also more recently gotten into ancient archaeological secrets like acoustically resonant caves at Malta and skulls that look like gray aliens that they've found there. He's also as deep as anybody on the mysterious structure underneath the pyramids. Was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Without further ado, please enjoy this week's American Alchemists, Jay Anderson, and Kurt Metzger. It's cool, man. The ADHD in this room is real. I've got it as well. Different parts of the brain have different activities. But you know that, don't you? Maybe you'll interview me.

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I've been so excited to do this for years, man. It's just, it's good to see you in person, man. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. You've done some OG epic UFO-based interviews I want to cover. More recently, you've done some amazing kind of alternative. It's dumb that we have to call it our tournament. It's just archaeological, ancient,

civilization, you know, stuff. But for now, it's alternative. It will be the mainstream. It's getting there. It's getting there. Piece by piece. Scan by scan. That's right.

So I really want to talk to you about what the fuck is under the Egyptian pyramid. I mean, you tell me, right? Like, none of us actually know, but it's looking interesting. It looks fascinating. I feel like you're as close as anyone to the research team doing it. You were just with them at the Cosmic Summit. So thanks for being here, man. I appreciate it.

Most welcome, bro. It's a real pleasure to be out in Texas for the first time. Like I said to you, after this, I want to try and find a place to shoot a few guns. Yeah. Yeah. There is another person here that will be revealed in time. They will be revealed in time. The special reveal.

And I have a feeling this person knows where to shoot guns in Austin, Texas. Yeah, maybe you can show me your place to your brother. But before we get started, I'm going to pull a Sean Ryan here. Oh, okay. And give you a special gift. This is our American Alchemy, Alboy themed shirt. Hey, there you go. That is sweet.

Pretty cool, right? Let's have a look at that. I love it, bro. This will be me on my next podcast. I'll be wearing it. Yeah, dude. Representing and respecting. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, of course.

who is a lead project manager at Los Alamos. Yeah, yeah. But also was doing research with how put off and the sort of vigilante capacity. The working group kind of thing going on. Exactly. Yeah. When you're with a guy like that, because that was a great interview. Yeah.

When you're with him offline, do you get the sense that he knows more than he can say? And that, like, because are you, are you, is there a sense that, like, there is a reverse engineering program and he just can't talk about it? and there's some sort of undetectable dark matter there? Or is there a sense that, oh, you've kind of fallen prey to, like, the public narrative around UFOs. And actually, it's kind of this other stuff that we don't quite understand. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, well, you get the distinction. Oh, absolutely. Because, like, for me, especially kind of coming through to subject over the last few years, I will admit that a lot of it starts to feel like campfire stories, just sometimes campfire stories with a TSSCI clearance attached to it. So it's like, you know, like, yeah, that sounds amazing. But again, where's the evidence? Where's the actual, like, hard data for it?

It's just a very interesting story from, no doubt, an interesting individual with an interesting background. But, you know, someone like Ogg Shannon, I mean, he said to me a few things. He said that their working group in Los Alamos National Labs. It was kind of like an informal group because he was part of the, what was it, the theoretical physics group in the Pentagon, the ATP. I forgot the actual name of it. Yeah, we should give context for the audience, the advanced theoretical physics working

group. That's the one. And it's with Oki Shannon and how... John Alexander and Al put off, yeah. Stubblebine. Yeah. All these guys who are kind of deep, deep, you know, esoteric alternative physics. Right.

And but also kind of, you know, they have real credentials. Oh, yeah. I mean, Army Innscom, stubblebine, John Alexander, I don't know, I guess maybe Army Inscom as well, but maybe some DOE ties too. You know, a lot of like very intense kind of insidery types studying alternative propulsion. Yeah. And I think that, you know, so you've got like this element where he was clearly involved in like maybe a formal, but certainly an informal part of his work was to look at the UFO subject. And he kind of looked at it as he said that they concluded that they're interdimensional objects coming down into a lower dimensional plane. He attributed to the book Flatland where he said, you know, the idea of this spherical object coming down into a two dimensional plane, you're only going to see a cross section, a shadow of what it truly is.

And he's of the opinion that that describes a lot of the UFO phenomenon. But again, like, you know, it's like very interesting ideas, interesting stories, interesting claims. But I've yet to see any hardcore evidence either way for any of these things. And I think that's the issue that I've come to in the UFO subject specifically. And maybe that's what's promoted me to slightly transition out of it, although I do think that ancient history has a lot of connections and correlations to the UFO field. Again, collecting these stories over time is really interesting. But I just want further validation.

of what's actually going on with this stuff. You know what I mean? It gives you brain damage. It does. It's a huge headache. And truthfully, it's a far cry, a saucer and a hanger in some ephemeral interdimensional object are two very different things. Absolutely.

And I don't know if these things are being, you know, conflated or if there are. The thing is I was somewhat skeptical of the crash narrative, actually. And then I just visited a crash site. And what they're, I don't know if you know Scott and Suzanne Ramsey are, but they're the deepest on the Aztec crash in 1948. Oh, the Aztec crash. And I thought that would be an interesting one to investigate, you know, as opposed to Roswell, which is obviously extremely popular and in the war. Right. Right. And I came in expecting to be like, this is the bullshit element of the UFO story. And honestly, dude, I came out being like, I think there's stuff to the crash.

What was it that peaked your interest the most? There were, we went to the crash site and the, I mean, this is all filmed. The trees were like, splayed out where a craft seemed to have been drug through the thing. Yeah, yeah. With the end, this couple, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey have spent $600,000. Like, and there's the most salt of the earth like good people you'll ever meet. Like there's no like. I think I did catch a Richard Dolan interview of them back in the day.

They're very close with Dolan. So spending that much time with them, then realizing that the story, like how the story came out was this guy Silas Newton. They claim that he was part of some like doodle bug hoax or whatever. But Silas Newton was worth $20 million at the time. Just for inflation. Like it's like that guy doesn't need to hustle people on a doodlebug oil thing. No, no. No, absolutely not.

Yeah. And then you have these FBI files on Silas Newton and Gabauer. Right. Going way back to the, I think the 30s or something. And they're they're totally redacted. So I don't know. You know, I didn't come out being like I'm 100% sure, but it was eye-opening for me.

Yeah, man. Maybe there are these actual... I mean, I struggle with, like, the crashing of hyper-advanced alien vehicles. Maybe the disengaging through some sort of exotic scalar wave weapon system that we have or something like that. But I tend to lean towards that these are prototypes of our own work that are crashing and, you know, like happening all over the world, especially since it started kicking off. Like you said, Roswell, 1940s, 50s, Cold War, exotic energy, T-Towns and Brown, like all of these things happening. You know, because you've covered so much of that. fantastic work on T Townsend Brown, by the way.

I absolutely love that deep dive. I figure it's a hedge, right? It's like if you're deep on the anti-gravity and then you're deep on the UFO stuff, like one of them has to be right. The anti-gravity stuff would explain it, right? Right, right. I think there's definitely been an incentive to create a smokescreen and a perception that anything that's operating in the skies that's going against what we understand

to be like the kind of like standard aerospace and aeronautical abilities is an alien vehicle. And I think that's a very convenient. smoke screen. And I do think that, you know, a lot of the stuff, a lot of the talking points in this kind of 2017 to present day narrative from like, you know, New York Times all the way up to now is trying to create this incentivization that it's actually all alien. We can't explain all of this. We don't know what this is. We don't have this in our arsenal. We don't have this in our weapon systems. And I disagree with that entirely. I think they absolutely do have it. So I think there's probably like, I mean, I'm convinced that there is some form of non-human intelligence interface, whether that's dimensional

and kind of bleeding in or maybe even terrestrial to this planet and hidden or actually a, you know, space visitor from another planet. I'm open to all of that. But I think that there is definitely a case to be argued for a massive smokescreen of classified exotic energy. Yeah, I agree with you fully. One of the other, probably the craziest interview ever done in UFO space, not done by me, Ross Colthart.

You, I don't know if you know what I'm about to say. I have a feeling. Bobby Ray Inman. who was highest level dude I've ever spoke to my life kind of terrifying anybody can ever speak to

and they're like that guy ran the government I have no idea why he agreed to do an interview that was remarkable so he was head of the NSA he was head of NSA

he was head of CIA yeah CIA CIA DIA I think the Federal Reserve branch in Dallas yeah SACC

SACC yeah he was the head of he was the head of everything, man, like, you know, like the head-hom show. If there is a legacy UFO program, that guy has a finger print all over. Yeah, like one of my guys who's like a veteran in the US Navy was like, he's definitely like MJ12, like, you know, he's, yeah, he has to be.

If there is an MJ12, that guy's on it. That's right. And I love the interview. The whole thing's hilarious because like you're doing this like autobiographical thing for the first like 45 minutes. You can tell him up, right? Yeah, exactly. And then at the end you go, so, you know.

Tell me about the aliens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you go, this UFO research Bob Oxler called you. Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, in fairness, we absolutely smoothed it out afterwards, but he did feel a little bit like

he was brought in under false pretense. When I was doing some background research on you, I came across a fascinating little segment from a documentary. It was a segment of an interview that you had in 1989 with a man called Bob Exler. Do you remember speaking to a man called Bob Exler?

Yeah, and during this conversation, he asked you, whether you believed that the recovered vehicles would ever be made available for technical research outside of the military circles. And your response to this was 10 years ago I would have said no, but whether time has evolved and then beginning to become more open on it, it's a possibility. So obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like you're suggesting here that you're aware of retrieved UFOs being studied by the military. No, no. I would not. Absolutely were no retrieved UFO. I have high-class. Um,

no, I mean, like, I told him that I wanted to talk about UFOs, but, again, the way that came about was another buddy of mine who was a US Navy veteran, had an old number for him. And so we called that number and it went straight to voicemail. And so we left a voice message just saying, well, he left a voice message because it's easier for someone like that who's obviously got connection to him to speak on my behalf and just say, like, there's this guy who's really interested in talking to you. And basically, like a week went by and we had nothing. and then my buddy was like, hey, he's message back.

And it turns out that this phone number we had for him was an old phone that was like locked in a drawer. He just decided to check it on a whim. He hadn't checked it in years. No way. Yeah, I know, right? And he saw this voice message and decided to respond. That's a crazy synchronity. That's why at that point I was like, this man's going to say the truth.

Like, you know, this feels like it's aligned. Like, this is meant to be. Like, this is crazy. So I was like, you know, he wanted, he was the only guest who asked. And it doesn't surprise me for a pre-approved list of questions and talking points. Like, what are we going to go through? So I was like, you know, obviously I need to mention the fact that I want to talk about UFOs, but I started off with obviously like, you know, like his career background and geopolitics

and national security of today and what he sees. And then, you know, at the bottom, I was like, and I want to bring up the, you know, 2017 UAP discussion and everything like that. Yeah. So I did say that, but I don't think he was expecting me to know about Bob Exler and actually have receipts and be ready to kind of come at him with like, you know, challenges. And I have to say that, you know, with all due respect to the Admiral, you can see the body language shift quite profoundly when we move onto UFOs.

Oh yeah. You can see he's relaxed. He's talking. He's enjoying kind of reflecting on his career and everything, which is an incredible career. I mean, my God, this guy is just like, you know, up at the absolute apex. But then once we get into UFOs, even when I'm just asking the question, man, he's, you know, it starts getting tight.

He starts bringing his body in. And when I asked in that first question, he was just like, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. No UFOs. Right. None at all. Like, no way. And then a few times during the interview, which I think must have been him miss speaking,

but it was kind of strange, where he kept saying, I am extremely confident that there is no other life in our galaxy. I have a high level of confidence that within our galaxy, there is no other living life. And I was like, you know, solar system would make sense, but he said galaxy like three times. How can you be confident? And also at the end of this, he said something along the lines of,

I don't think I've given you what you were looking for. but I hope you'll listen very carefully to what I've said to you. So I have listened back and I'm trying to figure out what it was that you might have been like prudically putting in. But this whole thing where it was like there's no life in the galaxy. We should send our audience off now to decode this interview. Right, right. The message, Jay, if you find any sort of meta messages.

Yeah, because I'm fascinated in what he was trying to say. I feel like he was trying to put something down that I haven't picked up yet. Yeah, who knows. Well, that, I mean, that was wild. Yeah. So wild. So wild. But the Bob Oster call is so just crazy and interesting because you hear Bobby Ray Inman say, like, yeah, you know, maybe at some point this will come out, but not now.

And he's speaking so casual. Yeah. And there's a few, there's a few like news clips of Exler going on the news and saying like, yeah, well, someone said to him, you know, do you think that this could just be fraudulent and fake? And he's like, well, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman convinced me that these were flying saucers from an alien species. So I'm pretty okay with that. And it's just like, well, damn. Man, like, he's, like, reiterating this over and over. A few people have said that it was maybe, you know, misquoted from that documentary where you've got the recording.

But here's Exler on the news a few different times reiterating that Admiral Inman made him, like, absolutely confident and positive. And Oxler seemed markedly more reasonable than a lot of UFO researchers. Like, he himself was an aerospace. Yeah, he was a NASA guy. He was a NASA specialist at some point in his life. And again, yeah, very calm-spoken, intellectual guy that was. just being very matter-of-fact with it and just saying, well, no, I mean, from where I'm seeing,

the Admiral essentially has convinced me that these are recovered vehicles that we're working on and, you know. And there's no way that you could be mistaken and it could have been an airplane helicopter or something of that nature. Well, Admiral Inman convinced me that these vehicles were not manufactured by human technology, so that's pretty conclusive for me.

That's it, that's it. So, again, I think it's true. I wouldn't even go against the idea that there's been some archaeological finds from like, you know, the old world. I mean, I'm diving into prehistory right now and getting into that, seeing so many anomalies that are so advanced and so contradictory to our models, you think about things like the Vamanas of ancient India and like, you know, these stories that you have flying chariots. It's like, okay, was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Yeah.

Is some of that under the ground? I think even Grush talked about recoveries, right? The Italians recovered something back in the Mussolini days. Yeah, yeah. The magenta crap. I think, yeah, I think there's a case to be said for, like, archaeological finds as well. I think so, too. Well, somehow it just feels somewhat arbitrary if UFO crashes only occurred in 1947 and onwards because of nuclear.

And only in New Mexico. And only in New Mexico, that feels like extremely anti-percent or egocentric and nation-centric. Right, right. You know, yeah, there's a whole field of forbidden archaeology, which you're kind of diving into, which all this megalithic architecture. And I wonder if UFOs, aliens, and crashes are a part of that. I don't know and I don't have any evidence, but it wouldn't make sense to me that there would be this stark dividing line where it just starts in the atomic age. Well, it kind of gets back to like, you know, like how do you want to look at aliens from the

ancient, ancient perspective? You look at theological texts, like the Book of Enoch, the Watchers or the Ananaki or the Nephilim, you know, the ones that came down and slept with the women of men and made these like, you know, hybrid species. It's like, okay, a lot of different texts speak about this in variations, but there's kind of a similar theme of giant beings or some other type of being that came an interface with us. So that's kind of like how you might look at it from the ancient perspective and you see some of these megalithic stone building sites all over the world.

It's like, okay, humans aren't capable, at least from our understanding of history and capabilities at that time, we couldn't do that. Yeah. So where does that? And especially, you know, not to get off on a tangent, but with the ancient megalithic size like Stonehenge or other parts of the world, it's not just the engineering. It's the alignment, it's astronomy, it's mathematics. Some of them are even acoustically tuned to produce strange effects from reverberation.

So it's like it's a complex set of knowledge that is then globally represented all over the world. And that says to me that there was someone who really knew what they were talking about with a lot of different areas of science and engineering and astronomy that was putting this together and then inspiring people to do it all over the world. So whether that's an interface with non-human intelligence or just a completely different variation of human intelligence that we've long forgotten. I don't know, but there's a profound mystery there. There's something else.

There's clearly the primitive to progress narrative that we're being spoon fed by like Stephen Pinker and, you know. BS. It's just obviously BS. That's like obviously wrong. Yeah. And you don't have to necessarily, you know, wholesale agree with Eric von Daniken or something. No, no, no.

To say that like... Dude, even just taking like one foot off of the conventional path, you start going, holy shit. Yeah. This is not right. Well, there's just no, yeah, there's just no way. Some of this stuff could have been built. And so I think we have to like not necessarily cross the T or dot the eye artificially, but like there's there's something going on.

Yeah, absolutely. Like that narrative is wrong. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like polar opposites of the argument, like the mainstream who are very reductive and in their little refined channel. And then obviously on the polar opposite, you got people who were like, it was absolutely built by the Nephilim. Right. We don't know.

We don't know that. But it's definitely a mystery. Like it hasn't been addressed. It hasn't been satisfactorily put to the side. And there's so much of that, like whether it's history or. or, you know, the anomalies and UFOs. Like, that's why I kind of feel like they're cotangent. They are connected together.

Yeah. You know, there's a lot of influence in, you know, the wheels of Ezekiel and these incredible visions that people have had throughout time. If they had it today, that would be a UFO experience. Totally. You know? Yeah, exactly. That would just be part of the modern lore or whatever.

There's definitely a presence that's been here throughout time. Yeah. I think so, too. Another guy that you interviewed John Ramirez. Yeah, he's an interesting cat. It's super interesting guy. Former CIA. Yeah, GS-15.

Yeah, GS-15. And he's come out now, and I think on your show as well, saying that, like, he's sure we have hybrid programs, human alien hybrid programs. Yeah, yeah. And that's the word that Louis Alizano can't say that everyone's, everyone in the Pentagon is expecting him to say someday is that we're all hybrids. Personally, I believe this is one of the core secrets. That's my personal opinion. When you hear him say that, are you like, you know, this is legit? This is CIA disinfo?

What's your? Middle ground, man. Like grain of soul. Like, you know what I mean? Like take everything with a grain of soul. I, all respect to John Ramirez, and I'm not applying this to him, but something that I've definitely felt over the years of, you know, being thrown into interfacing with people in the intelligence community

is they're really good at becoming a friend. Right, right, right. When you've got an influential platform. You know what I mean? Really good at becoming your friend. And they're very likable and they're easy to become friends with. But, you know, again, it comes back to that thing of how much of this can be validated, how much of this has been evidenced, I'd say, you know, 0.1% of that, right?

So, like, John Ramirez's super interesting guy, I think he's actually genuinely passionate about the subject. And he's an experiencer. You know, you find a lot of these people in the agency, like within the CIA, you know, it seems to be a hallmark of like these guys who have got quite high up in the ranks of that particular agencies. They've got like some weird ideas. Super weird. That's what they want, right? They want out of the box thinkers. So, of course, you're going to get people in these agencies that believe in all of that.

But you expect that. Terrible get you like. Bring it. Come on. Kurt Meska. I'm a big fan of this guy, so I'm so happy he's here. This is how I dress when I watch Jazzy's show. Oh, I love it, man. Yeah. I can see that.

You're like a Templar. Yeah. Oh, that figures in. Oh, yeah. That figures in. It was funny. I actually, when I met, I met Eric Mondan again, and I asked, you know, on all these things, he was, like, super, like, you know, these crazy hand-wavy theories. Right. And then I asked him about the Templars, and he goes, there are. secrets that I cannot talk about.

I was like, really? Eric Mondanagan? You know, like a little word for, how do you have that antique shop? Is that Eric Mondanagan has an antique shop? You know what's interesting about the Templars as well in respects to Egypt, just a little bit of quick trivia. Yeah. Is the Great Pyramid of Giza.

You know it's eight-sided? The pyramid of Giza is eight-sided. It's eight-sided. Very subtle and it can be seen, it can be seen from above. Uh-huh. But if you get an aerial of this at a certain point of time, you can actually see that instead of four sides, it's got these like indentations that create an eight-sided pyramid. Whoa. The Templar flag is an eight-sided pyramid turned into a two-d shape.

So if you take the Templar flag and you create into a three-dimensional object, you get the great pyramid of Giza. Wow. Yeah. You've interviewed a guy who is the modern grandmaster. I traveled through Egypt with him. That's Timothy Hogan. Timothy Hogan, yeah. Yeah, you're plugged in.

Yeah. You're plugged in. I went, I was brought into the King's Chamber by him personally. What's his? He's a real Templar. He's a real Templar. Yeah, he's got his receipts. Well, I got some.

Okay, well, that's disturbing. But don't you guys think if you were, they're real Templars today? They wouldn't like dress up. Yeah, no, no. They like, could be like Timothy Hogan. Well, I'm not. They would be like these like subtle. Well, I mean, like, it's like, it's like there's levels, right?

Like gypto. Yeah. Yeah, it's at the bottom of the fucking barrel. When are you doing your Egypt? There's Halloween costume level. Zawi Hawass. Did you watch Zah? Of course, I watched a super cut.

I couldn't do the three hours. It looked like they were arguing over a carpet. It was fucking insane. Joe, that was probably the worst podcast he's ever done. He said it. The next guest, he was like, that was the worst fucking podcast. And Zahi goes, at some point, he's bombing. Zahy's doing so badly.

And then halfway in he goes, I'm doing a speech in here. You're speaking Houston. Will you introduce him? He's like, fuck, no. He's like, dude, I'm busy. I'm busy. No, dude, it was like you're buying electronic from 42nd Street from support of you.

You know what's crazy about that is I guarantee you he still walked out of that studio going. Of course he did. I did a great job. I've nipped that in the bud. Well, that's his job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His job is going to do that.

I won't lie. I'm like like 50% nervous about going through checks in Cairo when I head out there. If I don't come back, bro, I'm gone. Like someone's taken me. No, they'll just be like you can't come in. Yeah. Well, I don't think if you're on a major platform and you said anything, I mean, I probably destroyed it for you.

I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay. It's all right. I mean, he sounded like electronic. I've accepted my plane ticket. I put my passport details in. I got green lit, so I should be right. But we'll see how I went for the whiz when I was younger, you know, my many astral travel.

Who is the whiz? Nobody beats the whiz, the electronics store. Oh, you worked for the whiz. Yeah, I was a salesman. Oh. You know, that's how I developed my. And Hawaz felt like your manager there. No, I was in Bricktown, New Jersey.

but in New York where those stories, you know, you don't mess with the Zohan movie they show it? Yeah, yeah. They're like, Sony guts. Tony guts! Okay? It's a very Middle Eastern,

bizarre way of dealing with things, and that's how they are. You come, I show you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and he's apparently, like, kind of sketchy. Like, he sells in the black market. Like, but he literally profits off. I wouldn't be surprised.

And, you know, what's interesting about Zahiawas, is like back in the 1990s, I want to say, like, 1992, to, he was giving a speech at a university in Cairo where he was like, there are subterranean labyrinths underneath the plateau, there are entrances from the Sphinx to the pyramids that will tell us a lot more about who really built them. And then two years later, he changed his tune and has never changed it back. Okay.

So something happened. So right there was Ali Hawes? Also, did you know he was funded by the Edka Casey Foundation? I was about to ask if you knew that. Yeah, bro. So you know, so what's the significant? So you know, Edgar Cajin? I know he was.

Sleeping prophet, he's like a very famous. Yeah. And he made all these predictions about the halls of a. Menti and the lost records of Egypt. So the Edka Kasey Foundation funded Zahiyahuas. So, like, he started off on this esoteric kind of truth seeker style funding and idea. And then I want to say about 1993, after that speech that he gave, complete change. You think somebody like got to?

I would not be surprised. Wait, hold that thought of Hazawi Hawas. You can apply that to most of the people. Yeah, for real. That are like, why are you 180 degrees from the thing you said before? Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Oh, well, here's the reason.

Yeah. They're a compromise. Yeah. You don't have to be blackmail. It could be, well, how about I make you rich? Silver or lead is the great Pablo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. Plato or Pomo?

If someone's telling you real info, okay? Yeah. And you're talking about it here? Listen, if you ever, remember Gary Webb, the guy that knew the CIA brought Coke into the hood? Yeah. So the old black guy conspiracy that people, that I was dismissive of, they'd be putting crack in the hood. That's exactly. what they did. And you know how I know

they did? Because the reporter that reported it shot himself twice in the head. How tragic. How tragic? Yeah, it happens, right? You look so ridiculous. Listen, if you wanted to stigmatize all the shakers. I want to make you clear, listen, I'll make you clear.

I'm not a journalist. I'm not in the space. But you kind of are, well, Kurt has a crazy story. We will get back to... No, it's cool. But you're doing a survey level. You know some shit. Like I said, I'm fully pumped to have Kurt here. You know, Kurt doesn't remember part of his childhood because he was in the gifted and talented education program.

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I have no idea. I don't remember a single part of it. My brother-tister and I asked my mom to, like... And now he's super deep on them. For more ages, for more ages. I don't know. They don't, your parents didn't tell you? My mom don't remember.

If your parents, they go, hey, your son's got high IQ and you're going to be gifted and talented. You think your parents give a fucking shit? They don't. They're like, whoa. Everybody's condition for a pat on the head in this society. That's the occult prison that you live in. So you go, oh, I got a good, I'm an expert. Right?

That's our, kindergarten. You know, the Prussian school that we use for some reason? Yeah, right, right, right. What you think that is? Yeah, that's weird. Is that normal to you? That is weird, actually. Like, why do we have that?

Because at age five, we don't. We don't call it that in the UK, but it's, yeah. Oh, it came from... So we have a lot to thank the UK for here in this country, certainly. Definitely you do. But our entire schooling system is designed to compartmentalize you. Right. Out of the gate.

I mean, and I'm not telling you any esoteric secrets. It's written down openly. Absolutely. Because it was the Prussian miracle, so they sent people from all... How did you get such control over your citizens? Because this guy found out that 70% of the troops, I was thought those old time... guns didn't really shoot straight.

No, 70% of people don't pull the trigger, they miss on purpose. This is a problem. Right, right, right. How do we fix this? Oh, you're with mommy and daddy too long. I got to get you before that third brainwave you get that tells you what reality is. Six is too late. Me and Rogan talked about Joe went to, went at age six.

It's too late. You've already been in print to a mommy and daddy now. Wait, he did a- Joe did it as well? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about kindergarten. Oh, okay, right, right, right. Okay?

I'm talking about if you go look in. to how we got our school system. It's real weird. And the goal is this, so here's a 20 years ago, pre-K suddenly became a thing in New York. Oh, you got to go to pre-K because outcomes are better for kids that go to pre-K. I didn't go to pre-K.

My mom told me to read at home and I went to kindergarten. Why is that so important? Because it's not working. We got to get you away from mommy earlier so that the government could get its dick in your brain early. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's some. esoteric, real esoteric.

And I just discern this, like a regular mainly pee hall. You got a right-left brain, so you watch these secular materialist scientists. Yeah. You're Mike DeGrasse Tyson's and what have you? Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Whatever, nerd. He's just mashed up Mike Tyson. Well, that would be a sick combo.

It would be a sick. The fucking physicist. I prefer Mike personally. I think he does more. It's called Stegonography. Shout out to DJ. Dark journalist. Yeah, dude.

Yeah, because the Octagon thing I got off of him and Joseph P. Farrell. I'm trying to get an interview of him. I love Joseph P. Farrell. Okay. Yeah, he's interesting. That got blew my mind, dude. And here's what's so funny about watching because you're hitting on a bunch of it. I've seen your show.

You guys are on some good points. Thanks, brother. How old are you? 30. How old are you? 33. Okay, so you're still at the age before you figured out the scam yet. And by the time, I'm 48, finally old enough to serve in Ukraine.

And when you figure out this scam, here's how it works. Fuck you. You 48, motherfucker. The 30-year-old still believe. There's new suckers for the thing. Believe in the whole thing. So now all this UFO shit, what blew my mind was when I looked into it, it turns out a bunch of this stuff's been disclosed over and over, over, like the wheel of Samsara.

Yeah, man. For sure. For sure. For sure. Yeah. But what you don't realize. So then you're like. And what's the deeper truth?

Like, because I like, look, I'll watch, I watch dark journalists. And, like, it's like ASMR for conspiracies that never resolve. He goes, do you know about this? You know, got that same space. Mystery School. Yeah, I'll talk about it. It's interesting. J.J. Abrams' mystery box storytelling.

Okay. You remember J.J. Abrams' mystery box method? He does a TED talk about it. Right. Okay. Basically, the show lost. Yeah. And Scientology are the same basis.

Mystery box. Sure. You stick with it and get invested. Yeah. And then you get a shitty ending. Well, that's another thing is the influence of Scientology in the UFO community because there's a big presence of like that beliefs is. Exactly.

How big do you think it is? Scientology is the sky. Yeah, how big do you think? Well, I mean, like, you know, they they infiltrated the CIA in a few different agencies. They infiltrated the IRS. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Multi-agency infiltration. What's that?

What's the other wisdom is going to? It is. Truly. What's the Operation Snow White? So that was when they did that huge, like, infiltration of multiple agencies, including the IRS, CIA, with an incentive to try and, uh, promote psychic research and these types of ideas and prevent them from kind of stopping it. Tax-free status. Yeah. And it was, you know, you know, you know, about it.

I know about the fights with the government around. Yeah, yeah. It was like the biggest infiltration of the government. It was wild. But how, like, um, prevalent was it? Did it work? I don't think, well, they got caught. They got caught.

Okay. I don't think it fully worked, but it worked for a time. Like, you know, they managed to create influence and obviously they're very powerful. But I think that there's, like, genuinely a thread of UFology that comes back to obviously Scientology. You go a bit further back, Helen LeBlovakki, Theosophy, the esoteric school. Yeah, sure, yeah. And, like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people in government, because when you actually get to know them or you find out more about them, you find out that beyond the, you know, the tight suit and the bureaucracy is an esoteric person that's into like the OTO or Golden Dawn or whatever. Exactly, right.

Yes, brother. So, like, you know, I think that what they're trying to do, at least my opinion, and actually the guy that you wanted to hear more about, my friend who was speaking, he'd be able to tell you a lot more, he believes, and I would agree, that there is an element of the government that's quite radical that truly believes in some of these old esoteric systems, and they're trying to essentially manifest the UFO reality into the world

by creating a consensus of it, right? So they're creating this narrative, we're creating this push. Like an agrigore. Yeah, like an agroar, because it's just weird how, you know, you tap into these guys who are like, you know, bureaucrats and national security, and then you find out that they've got, like, you know, talking points from OTO and Golden Dawn and they're drawing pentagrams and they're showing you the

alchemist triangle and it's like you know what I mean like Matthew Brown who just came out through right now he's this guy emaculate his innocuian mathematics and shit like that like you know like you see that okay so here's how I got into my deep esoteric knowledge I was uh so I was watching the Charles Hall tall tall White's documentary I just interviewed him oh yeah he's alive yeah I have a lot of questions for him but he's a he's a trip couple of the guys that were with me who had seen them thought that they were ancient Egyptians who had somehow another gotten into Indian Springs Valley and trapped there and were still using their own hieroglyphics who thought that oh

a couple of the other range men yeah so here's like a like a wind up dog it didn't make yeah that was weird oh I think I have some theories so Charles Hall now when usually when you hear UFO stuff it it's like some goofy like Star Trek shit right And this guy, he made a real specific point that they're not here to save the whales. In fact, the tall whites told him they think it's unusual that we like ride horses and live, like they said on most of the civilized worlds to him, the species, domino species kills off anything that could be a threat to them. Wow. You ever hear anybody talk that way when they talk about our space brothers?

I haven't. The way he described it, it sounded like we're Guam or something. Right. Okay. Now, keep in mind, if you talk to him, he's got a real awe. shucks, but you just picked up on something with it. That guy's got a nuclear physics degree. So don't be fooled by country dumb.

Uh-huh. As soon as I'm watching, I'm like, so I'm laughing when I'm first watching, because they're called tall whites. We're as strong as guerrillas compared to them. That's a detail. Right. If you touch one of them, they'll kill you. Very weak bodies.

Yeah, and I'm like, wait a minute. I've heard this before. You're telling me there's taller, whiter things that are doing the old British style. they show up and we're a little ugly like be style monsters when he tells the story it sounds like we're a Raj from colonies yeah right right right

so all I do is look for themes like Diana Pisulka I think she made this word up myth themes but I like it that's the Legos the stories are built out of and they repeat so I watch everything man I don't just watch like I'm on a news show and I notice where everybody that follows this stuff

just the idea that you're wondering if you can, the intel people are gonna that's because you're compartmentalized. Remember Eric Weinstein? I don't if he was what you on that video, but on Rogan, he goes, don't tell me it's compartmentalization. Why would I tell you that?

Right, right, right. Do you understand the pyramid structure that we seem to be obsessed with? Well, the ultimate compartmentalization would also be, your brain. These occult sort of, yeah, compartmentalizing a person. Yeah, and like there's a Terence Mechanic quote that I sent you.

That's like, I love that guy. Amazing, right? And you've done some awesome videos on it. I think I've absorbed every lecture he's ever done. He, like, haunts my brain. He's incredible. And he says, you know, a secret is not something that isn't told.

It's something that cannot be told. Right. Which is like that's the ultimate, if you want to control system or something. Like, that's the best way to create. Well, you think the Templars got from their journey to the, to meet with the old man of the mountain? They got some shit. Let me throw out a goofball, a goofball hypothesis of mine. Okay.

That I got after Rogan. told me Intel people told them China was injecting their people, their kids were stuffed to raise their IQ. Right. And immediately I know we did way worse than that automatically because China did it. Yeah. Okay. And so now we got one in 32 autistic kids.

That's wild. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's insane. Yeah, it's insane. Okay. You know, don't attribute to malice where you contribute to incompetence. Uh-huh.

No, it's malice, my friend. And, okay, let's look at what are the features of autism, okay? hyper focus Yeah Hyperfocus Weird about sex In fact you could program And tell them what gender they are

And they'll say They'll believe it Christian The Inverted Christ Is that If you ever heard of Chris Chan There go our sponsors Are you sponsored by

Sonnychu comic books I think we don't have to be sponsored by Monsanto To get them pulled For this episode You don't understand They made these They love all the products

no matter how bad you cock up Star Wars they're going to watch it in tears of form in their eyes that a new Star Wars came out they buy those stupid vinyl bobblehead whatever the fuck people buy they're the perfect consumer the goal laid out

when they invented kindergarten Who hurt you, bro? Literally the entire system on me It sounds like something real I went to kindergarten So I was in gate All right Yeah he was in

So this is interesting But I don't know nothing about it. I'm not accusing him. Right, right, right, right. You have Jake Barber coming out talking about gifted and talented education program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he talks about it. Also in the context of, you know, Skywatcher and these sort of psionic assets, you know, it seems like the stranger things kind of narrative might be more real than we realize.

It was called Mon Talk originally, and there is a girl that was 11. Did you know that? No. That's a real person. Yeah, you know, a lot of this stuff. So I sent you the link. They admit. You sent me too many links to go there.

I cannot. Well, they've already got you because you, look, here's what I, when you said, I'm an ASMR. This is why, so Nathan Reynolds is who referred me to dark journalists. And what I love about is, I don't care about your production and all that other bullshit. I already feel that's a layer of a cult between me and what I want to know. Right. Sure. So, and Dan's productions are, oh, he's holding up.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That makes me trust more. I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good production.

Right. That makes total sense. but I just, I want him to map it out a little more clearly. Sometimes I'm like, there's not, I don't know if there's a very fair statement. Yeah, man. I will, I'll listen to the whole thing and I'm like, what happened? I don't really, like, I'm with you guys on all the interesting esoteric. Yeah, you got to watch everyone.

And look, all you do. Yeah, that's right. That's the fucking mystery box. Oh, you're just saying it now. Okay. Here's why. You can lie to me if you want. I don't care if you're an intel guy.

I don't have nothing. I hide, and I don't give a fuck. So go ahead. head and lie, whatever. I'm going to get data off you either way. Right. Because I'm going to figure out why you're lying to me. Well, to be honest, like... It's built in the lie. Well, that's why the move in the space is, like, talk

to everybody because I think you... No, it isn't. It's not. They were certain people, and I want to talk to people you can't talk to. Who would you talk to you if you could talk? Okay, my friend Emma has a show called Imagination Podcast. It was on YouTube about MK Monarch, which the link I sent you, has been acknowledged. I didn't know that.

I'm obsessed with it. Oh, and the audience. What MK.M.K. Monarch. Well, that's one of the successors to Ultra. Right, right, right. Oh, you're, your King Charles has that little butter. Yeah, a little butterfly. He's in a hit, his portrait and hamburger me? That portrait is one of the fucking scariest

looking things I've ever seen. It's just like crimson blood. Like the whole thing is just red. It's freaky, dude. And like you said, a little monarch butterfly. And Lord Mountbatten and Jimmy Saville used to all hang out together. Oh, yeah. And they all had special black berets made.

Now, that's not in the military there. That's a special unit of just the, with three amigos. Dude, Jimmy Saville was so influential in the UK that he was spending his Christmases at Chakas where the Prime Minister would spend it and he would go in and out of fucking... I don't even know who this is.

Jimmy Saville, he was BBC presenter, very famous and he's the most prolific sex offender and child sex offender in the UK history. He was victiming? He was never caught during his time. It all came out after he died. He had written, do you know, had written on his gravestone?

You know that? Well, I forgot. On his gravestone, it was fun while it lasted. Oh. Yeah. Now, but did you notice with Jimmy Saville, Now, at the time, when I saw this story, I didn't realize that he was like a wizard. Right.

But then his charity, because he did, they didn't know. It's like, dude, he had a spare key to a child's hospital. He would, like, live there. That's what, a hospital? Yeah, he had a spare key. He would live on the ward. He never heard of a true. A true.

He was a demon. An absolute demon. Like, if any of them exist, this motherfucker is a demon. And he was good friends with him. No punishment for the BBC people. He could waltz into Buckingham Palace like he owned the place, man. And then you fast forward and you've got Epstein and Andrew. It's like patterns.

And isn't there like a photo of Kevin Spacey at Buckingham Power? Yeah, yeah. And then Rolf Harris did the Queens painting. What is this is insane. What do you guys think of this Cash Patel going on Joe's show? I'm like if I would have it. I've heard your opinion. He goes Epstein killed himself.

He goes Epstein killed himself. And then they have Dan Bonjino next to him on other interview. Coming in and his sportswear and telling us what's thing. First of all, number one. App leisure. I want to make this clear. because this is how a cult's fucking projecting yourself magic works. First, you reframe the argument wrong.

I don't care if Epstein. We're not looking for justice for Epstein. Right, right. Okay, so first they keep it on that to trick you, right? Now we're not even talking about why are all the people that went there still in power? Exactly. Hey, Trump's in now. Right.

Hey, I remember QAnon. Where's all the arrests? Where's all the whatever's? Then I'll watch UFO shit and they go, oh, yeah, they actually executed these people on the moon. Right? And then you go like the discrepancy with Pam Bondi saying there's thousands of pages. They call this. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's like, whoa. I forgot. Iran. I forgot about that. What's going on here? Yeah. There's a clear discrepancy there.

And then it's like, it's just if you zoom out, it's so obvious that this was this compromise gathering technique in order to blackmail operation in order to control things at the high level. It makes sense. It makes sense. Who are they blackmailing? That's what we want to know. I don't care about the list.

His client. list is like it's Israel, but whatever. I wonder, I kind of wonder if, like, the Elon Trump thing, I don't know, like, I believe Elon more than Trump because Elon's black guy and his, now I watch people say this. I can't believe how stupid this is. Oh, he must have been on ketamine and he rage tweeted. Is that what ketamine does? The horse tranquilize.

No, you have to believe that Elon believes that Trump was on the Epstein list. For sure. It was interesting. He said files. And Trump is. We know that already. Yeah, yeah. Elon gave us no new information.

He threw out a shot, but he didn't reveal anything. Trump isn't it. Everyone who's in charge is in that file. But that's the thing. It doesn't mean they did it. Exactly. Because, you know, Epstein was like such a powerhouse in the financial sector that, you know, it's going to just be a given that people will interact with him in that world

without ever touching the sides of what he was doing in the background. You know what I mean? Like Tuesdays with stories. Mark Norman and Joe List show. They probably won't appreciate me. promoting it because it'll be bad. But Lewis Black was on and blew the whole thing wide open. I've tweeted it.

I've repeated all the time. Lewis Black went to Epstein's mansion in New York with Bobby Slate and my buddy from doing the nasty show. Right. I know the Bobby and Lewis Black are not doing a thing. He was an influential New York billionaire in the biggest house in New York. That's crazy rich. Okay?

So, yeah, all right. I've done gone all kinds of people from this. Louis Black's story is so interesting. He walks in the door. There's a marker board. where they go in. And it looks like football plays or something. And Eppsie goes, yeah, the defense minister of Israel was just here.

We were just going over defensive ideas. And Lewis Black says, in the video, look, it's on my Twitter, look it up. He goes, he got so creeped out. He goes, first of all, where the fuck was that guy here? Why would he talk to you about it? Why are you telling me that? Right, right, right. Wasn't it documented that Ehud Barak and Epstein?

Oh, yeah, they were picked up. And Bill Richardson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bill Richardson and New Mexico governor. Oh, you talked to the New Zealand woman. I did. Yeah, one of the victims, right? Yeah, Juliette Byrant, I think her second name is.

And what did she have to say? Well, she approached, she got brought in as a young model. She was trying to start off her modeling career and she got introduced to them and, you know, flown out to the island. And from there it was kind of like, you can't go anywhere and you're now a prisoner. So she was very quickly brought into that, not as a child, but as a young model. And on the wall, there was a big archwork of a woman being raised. by a walrus. Oh, wow.

Yeah, I'll share it with you if you want to share it. The scary thing is that it's not really a painting. It looks more like a photograph. And the girl's lying on a glacier and she's got like ECG things here. And she's being basically raped by a walrus. And she alongside some of the other women thing that they were actually harvesting their eggs. They were? You know, like Zorro Ranch where they were trying to.

Yeah, well, the thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race. Like he would talk about his own... people like that egg guy you know right so like maybe uh maybe uh maybe uh you know maybe he was doing something along those lines with people like that she certainly fell that way okay because if they were taking eggs they've got underground laboratories right so then 1996 they cloned dolly the sheep they cloned 1997 bill clinton banned use of federal funds for human cloning apparently in 2002 they cloned the first baby eve in december so right i'm taken there in september i think they've taken my eggs they clone a baby

in 2002. No one ever hears about anything again. It's all on 60 Minutes or BBC, one of those things. They were all talking about when a human's going to be cloned. Suddenly it's shut down. I mean,

it's very, someone like Epstein seems like he was very multifaceted. Like there's an element to him where it was like almost like your primary objective is compromise, right? Your primary objective is to do that. But then he's using his money

and he's like, I'm going to create a race of my own people. It's like this dude is crazy. I wonder if, I wonder if, because there, this is really, this is a full,

get so right now. Oh yeah. Let's do it. So Charles Manson was probably an MK. Ultra patient. Oh, yeah. I would say definitely. So definitely, right? You have the, Shrek mainfism in prison. Tom O'Neill Chaos and you have, you know, Jolly West who's like running this thing, had probably an office at the Hayd Ashbury Free Medical Clinic where, you know, Manson was always going. Yeah. And then you have this kind of conversion of Manson from this kind of petty criminal to the sex god kind of cult leader or whatever. So there's Tons of evidence there. Here's the trippiest thread of the Manson thing

that connects with Epstein. That's so weird. So Manson would carry around a book called Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein. Did you read that school? No, no. I did. 68.

Great book. So he would carry this around, but Manson was illiterate. And then he models his whole life off this book. His son, he calls Michael Valentine or whatever, who's like one of the characters in the book. Jubal, Roger Smith is his parole officer. Jewball is the protector in the book.

He calls him Jewball. He tries to start a race war, which is what they're trying to deal with the book or whatever. Exactly. Health of skeletal thing. Yeah. So, okay, but let's fucking listen for a second. So this is what's crazy. Donald Barr is the headmaster of Dalton.

He gives Epstein his first job at Dalton school, which is in New York, this prep school or whatever. And his son is William Barr, who's the attorney general, under Bush 41 and under Trump, who basically obfuscated fucking justice to get Epstein, you know, out of trouble. So Donald Barr writes a sci-fi novel called Space Relations. Okay. And this is really, it's about. New to me. This is new to me.

This is so nuts. It's about. I read it. Right. It's unreadable almost. It's almost unreadable. And it's about this like human traveling to like an extraterrestrial planet. And he is sold as a sex slave.

Why is he going, though? Do you remember why he's going? Why is he going again? Negotiate with the rulers of the galaxy. The rulers of the galaxy. To end slavery. Oh, man. That's right.

It just becomes a fuck pet. Yeah, so then he becomes a fuck pet. But how weird is that? Yeah. Isn't that, is that not so strange? Exactly. Like the connection. Maybe some M.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think so. Well, you just said about strange or strange land that I did not know. Mm-hmm. So that was his programming. Right. One of his personalities was probably a, illiterate, but M.K. Monarch, which they have admitted is real in 2024. I didn't know that.

Mm-hmm. It's very clever. NSA archive. How is Monarch different than Ultra, though? Oh, well, besides Monarch, the people now that you're like, why is Kanye so crazy? That's why. It's the all your favorite, hey, why do Disney kids turn out how they do? Well, Disney, the fucking Rosicrucian that allowed the CIA to do stuff to them underneath Disneyland. And that's real. I don't know if you know about Rosa Cretier. Well, he was Opus Day. But their victims are talking. He was in Opus Day, like the early Freemason, kind of like before you turn 18.

They all come together. I would say, you know, the last thing I saw of Gary Wayne, by the way, I'm not religious at all. Also, isn't it like Club 33 or something? Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah, club 32. Yeah, no, it's all that. He was all the movies Bavarian fairy tales. That's weird.

Right, right, right. Hey, Disney sucks now. Hey, it always sucks. Why are you pushing princess shit still? Something that got me was Joe Rogan bringing up. up that scene in Pinocchio, you know, where it's like, we take them to the little island. And you know this scene in Pinocchio? It's a classic scene.

It's freaky, dude. It's like literally Epstein. You got these like, you know, villains sitting around the table at the tavern. And one of them, like the big banker, he's like, I know how to make a real bit of money. And he starts whispering to them. And they're like, take them to Pleasure Island. And he's like, yeah. And he goes, but they're just little boys.

And he goes, well, they don't come back as boys. And they all start laughing about it. And I takes them to Pleasure Island. A pleasure island Pleasure Island But the law Suppose they No no

There's no There's no They never come back As Boys Hmm Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh

She's very symbolic Of what we're now It really spoke to my subconscious And I want to be famous now So you got a Masculin femme inside the brain which as the Templars will tell you. Yeah, man.

They try to preserve the defined feminine Ashtar worship of the fucking pagans. Yeah. So, but, you know, Purple Lady I saw the only did the MT the first time, but not like a woman, but, you know, you've heard of the Purple Lady. I believe that's my right brain feminine divine side.

You're, those collective unconscious, that's the meat internet, dude. That's the original internet. All the tech freaks are going to make an artificial version of every, so if you see a, we're going to have brain Wi-Fi, that's how you know ESP exists. They're going to copy all the, They're not going to tell you about them, but they're going to copy them to get back to Atlantis times.

And so all this art, oh, could it be archaeological? Yeah. Oh, wait, could this be the Nephilim from the bottom? Yeah, it's all of that shit. Don't you get the jump? It's kind of like, you know. They compartmentalize the names into like different names. And you go, well, that's Bible shit or that's UFO.

You don't know what anything is. Right, right, right. And that's why they're called Freemasons, even though they don't build nothing. They've built your matrix. Tom DeLong when he was, Tom DeLong when he was kind of doing the round. early days of the UFO subject. One of the things that he brought up. And I don't know how true it is.

So I tried to find some validation of whether or not these statues really were outside S-A-I-C headquarters, science applications, international corporation. Dude I've been wondering about that ever since? Those primaries, yeah. So you got like, do you know about this? No. Yeah, these two statues, one sitting there is a... It's cool, man. The ADHD in this room is real.

Like, I've got it as well. All of that. Yeah, like, everyone's trying to jump in. But no, like, outside this tech center in, do you remember where it was meant of? be? Was it in San Francisco? Or like, you know... I was in L.A. L.A.?

By where I lived and I wanted to go there. Right. So like it was meant to be the old S-A-I-C headquarters. And Tom DeLong when he was, you know, back in like 2017 doing the rounds, he was like, oh, you guys, you know, there's this place outside the SAIC headquarters where they got these two statues where you've got this Egyptian pharaoh sitting on a, on a, like, temple seat holding a pyramid in his hand. And it says the past. And then on the other side, you've got a kind of futuristic-looking female

goddess-type pharaoh holding a pyramid and it says the future i forgot passed in the future you know what you said that yeah like the new atlantis the new era the golden dawn right wait you saw the clips from the banon epstein document he has 14 hours of footage interviewing epstein yeah no i use it for comedy on kyle dunnigan's channel uh uh i can remember we called we had a news show was really funny and it was the talk down right Hollywood celebrities tell you the news and it's called the talk yeah i like that we did like the more Or you know, Parodies, because my boy, Jason Burmiss, whoever, from Loose Change back in the day, who was right. Oh, yeah, Lease Change, yeah.

He was right. I didn't think he was, but he was. Well, it's so funny, they're kind of admitting that at the highest levels. There's, like, a 9-11, like, people are like, we need to look into the 9-11 file. Like, Cash Patel and, like, Colsey are saying this shit. Yeah. That would have been, if you were to say this five years ago, you'd be called, you'd be laughed out of a room. Any room you're in. Well, I mean, you'd probably be debanked.

The thing is, I feel like there's only so far they can go and investigate. with 9-11 before they start blaming their greatest ally for it, right? So it's kind of like... It takes a village, you guys. Yeah. Oh, of course our best-wing aircraft area was involved. Don't forget Pakistan. You're talking about Osama, right?

Yeah, yeah. So Seymour Hirsch released probably what happened, and he's a impeccable journalist. Fantastic. Okay, I didn't hear of it. In 2011, it came out. And there was so... Oh, I think zero dark 30 and shit. Yeah.

Which is nonsense. Yeah. It's a propaganda. Propaganda. He was a guy that was, and I went watching now that guy, that guy, Shrek from Delta Force, talk about it on things. He goes, that guy went dialysis. He crossed the mountains and got away. Well, first of all, he had to get away because how can we go to Iraq if they killed the guy that did 9-11?

How could we go to Iraq then? Get it? You ever see the Tony Clausen speech? How do we get to war in Iran? That's the real speech. I think it's interesting that, like, obviously you got Rumsfeld talking about $2.3 trillion missing dollars from the Pentagon, and it cost about. that much to do the Middle East and invasion.

So it's like, is this a big money launching operation? Is there a lot of cash flowing through this? Like, yeah. Talk to Catherine, Austin Fitz from HUD

right. Under George, I think HW. Bush. Yes. There's like $23 trillion missing since 1997. Yeah.

And I know Joseph P. Farrell, that's smart at, that smart motherfucker. He keeps track of financial crimes around the world. Yeah.

And he put together all these weird missing amounts of money with fake bearerbought, but they're not. They're obvious like fakes. It doesn't make sense. This is the kind

The stuff that gets you Epstein. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. Break away? Crazierst thing about Epstein that I learned recently is that, did you know that Bill Gates' science advisor is the backup executor to Epstein's will? Doesn't shock me. Didn't know that. Didn't know that. That's a fact.

How crazy is that? And he was, he found out. And then he goes, I was shocked to find out that I was listed. Whoa. Did he come from Bill Gates? Where did he come from? he's dead now so you know like nothing more to say about that who's his family oh yeah that's right in that interview yeah he's dead so is there a lesson for you for anyone else looking looking at this

well he's dead so uh you know in general you always have to be careful uh that's a threat i took it yeah like shut the fuck up all that people could be dead that's how i took it yeah yeah yeah yeah because that guy he's the grandson of course of like one of Rockefeller's fixer's Right. What? Is that true? I thought he was a middle-class kid and Steve Jobs was a hippie. I think he was the other nerd.

The dad was military, I think, right? Oh, you don't say. I think so. Yeah. But then he was, his grandfather was a fixer for the rock. And that's where he learned to buy the press because, as you know, Rockefeller, everybody hated that motherfucker because he was a piece of shit. And then they had the idea to do PR.

So that's Bernard, Edward, Edward Burnet. PR. What do you think PR is? The blackest of magic. Okay? They have big farm-ed old occult shit. So the mind control part, okay? That's old, dude.

That goes to Egypt, right? You got your pharaohs who are inbred, like those L.A. Bap dogs that are like, stop inbreeding them. Come on. Come on. Stop doing that, right? A corrupt priest class. And I got some of this from Rudolph Steiner.

Yeah, no, Rudolph. He's very boring, but he has gossip. He has very interesting. He is because he tells you backstate, like how I would talk shit about a comic. He talks shit about a cultist. That's the juiciest best part. Right, right.

Okay? And I found out all kinds of shit from just his gossip. The main shit is almost... No, I disagree with it. I think the main stuff's really interesting. Okay. All of these things are the same thing. Kabbalah.

So, did you study Kabbalah? I can't say it normally. I wouldn't say I studied it. Familiar with it. Oh, well, it affects your life deeply because all these esoteric groups that fraternities, You were you going to frat in college?

Didn't have frats in the UK? No. That's a purely American phenomenon that I've seen through American pie. Looking to see what's happening around your home? Rings battery doorbell helps you track packages and see who's at your door in real time. The outdoor cam plus protects your yard at night with a wide field of view and clear retinal 2K video. Or upgrade to 4K cameras and doorbells with retinal vision for ultra clear zoom in detail. Your door, your yard, your home.

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We got that. But guess what? We're even worse. And UK is the one that got that shit going back in the game. Oh, yeah. Well, we've got old school esoteric belief systems. That's right. And that's why there's no justice about Jimmy.

People are mad about the grooming gang. Now, I used to write for Sasha Baron Cohen on Who is America. Okay? The pranks we did. That's cool. Yeah, it was fucking a lot. I love that shit. Dude, I miss them guys.

That was like a good, his group's like a band. They're not like a right. So he does roundtables like the great Cecil Rhodes. Yeah, Cesar Rhodes. Yeah. And so they picked me to write to stay on. They don't do that. And I got on with them dudes immediately,

Aunt Hines and Dan Swarham. Those dude, I love them dudes. And I really like Zaja a lot too, but understand he's old money. He's Coenim, which is like real old money. Went to Oxford. The reason I got a lot. along with them is because their sense of humor, they're like smart-ass, smart kids. Right, right, right.

Yeah, this whole family's super smart. Yeah, I'm Jersey short trash, but I can always go out. Gifted and talented. Well, I was in, I'm gifted and talented. Do you know about the city of London within the city of London? Of course. Yeah, do you know about that? No.

So, like, the original city of London isn't the city of London. Okay. The financial quarter, which is one square mile of London, is called the city of London. Wow. And that's got its own mayor. It's got his own police force. It's got his own laws. It's basically like the Vatican sitting in the middle of the city.

There's some conspiracies about them running financial flows. Who would have thought? So like there's a really good documentary called the Spider's Web, Britain's Second Empire. Like that will open your eyes to just how much financial corruption runs through London. Like the Swiss have got nothing on us, man. Like we really do run the financial sector of like high crime. You read it in the American World Power, you said. Yeah, I love it.

Well, you mentioned Cecil Rhodes. Yeah. So that's why it's like this. That book, well, let's get into this. Because maybe they dovetail because Carol Quigley wrote this book, The Anglo-American Establishment. Right. Talks about roundtable cultures, Cecil Rhodes,

and Lord Alfred Milner or whatever and, like, them having, those secret societies led to the intelligence agencies that we have today. What is it based on? The Illuminati. Right. Old school Bavarian Luminati and like, yeah, yeah, Jesuits. He based his group on those. It's in the, what's that movie?

pretty, they're pretty good, the first one. Kingsman. Oh, Kingsman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kingsman. Yeah, they've ripped that stuff right into those shows, like for real. I'm a writer and I study this shit because I've got to make, I want to write jokes and I want to, I want to fucking make movies. So I know sometimes they might be doing predictive programming,

certainly, but understand there's a dude like me that looks at this shit because you can find the best, because you've got to write something new that you haven't heard before. That's how I could tell if you're lying to me a lot of times because you're telling me a myth theme is, right, and a bosokalca calls it. I've seen this one, man.

Weapons of mass destruction. I saw that 20 years ago. I could spot it now. Exactly. It's not that I'm that quick. It's yellow cake all over again. Like the same shit. On that, though, I'm maybe a heretic here in that I think Tucker maybe overreact.

Look, I think. To which part? I think a surgical, whatever surgical strike Trump did is not the same thing as nation-building in Iraq like we did for as long as. shot for shot. Right. Sure. But like, wait,

that's three years before. Do you understand what the implications of that? But let's not get into some meta layer. I'm just saying like on a basic geopolitical level. Fucking Matrix, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that that was like a bad move and didn't set their program back for a while. Do you know this?

There's eight levels of top secret above the president. And the reason for that is. I don't know that. Yeah, well, most people don't. Well, I don't think you know that. Highest is nucleus. Why? Why?

Did I not wear the robes of a wise man? That's true. That's true. Am I not holding the baton egypticus? Why would you think I don't know that? Well, I do know that. And you do because you read that book. Carol Quigley was given cosmic level clearance to go to the, as Douglas Murray says,

have you been to the archive? He's been. He's been. He's definitely a spooky guy. Carol Quigley also is a professor at Georgetown who Bill Clinton said, defined his worldview more than anybody else. So if you go through that thread, Anglo-American establishment to today,

do you think the city of London still has, like, the Vatican City of London, do you think any of these groups, you know, Knights of Malta, you've done a lot of amazing work in Malta? Yeah, yeah. Do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power to death?

Oh. Yeah, like, there you go. There you go. Yeah. Oh, I wonder. I would agree with Kurtzlough. Like, I mean... Holy shit.

Yeah, like England... Oh, I wonder if they do. Yeah, I'm gonna be like this... I'm asking jet. England, England is such an old country, man. I think we're just very good at being quiet with the amount of influence and power that we have. How many crab claws have you had, brother?

Three claws podcast. Three claws down and I haven't even had one. Get this man, at the worst tranquilizer. Okay. Do you think... Bring the crab claws out. I just want to... Cost them out. I want to be on your wavelength right now.

I want to be on your bandwidth. You should have. Yeah. I got one more. I don't want it. You can have it. I'll have it. Yeah.

How many white claws have you gone through this morning? Oh yeah. White Claw, that's it. I'm a startup podcast. Do you hear yourself? Do you think the secret societies are the most popular, the most powerful people who ever lived? I think undue influence. Oh, I wonder.

But you know what? You know what, it's easy to say. Because it's the truth? Well, no. It's really easy to be hand wavyy about that. this stuff and that it's much harder, and this is my criticism of dark journalists, to actually understand how any of this stuff works. I don't think I have a really great map of the world. I suspect that some of this stuff exists, but I think asking these questions is very

of value. And sometimes you've got to ask an obvious question for people that don't know. Exactly. I watch a show, and I appreciate you having me on, brother, and I hope you understand that. No, I do. I just think it's important that people understand if you think they wouldn't do that. They would do that. History tells you they would do that. whatever you think they wouldn't do, not only would they do it, they did worse already. And I think that when it comes to somewhere like the UK,

when it comes to somewhere like the UK, you know, we're very good at being kind of diplomatically quiet in terms of influence. So a lot of people would say, oh, you know, like British Empire. It's done. Like that's a long time ago.

It's like not so much actually, not with the financial element at play. So I'd say that we hold a lot of influence over the financial kind of like, you know, global market. A lot of bad money flows right into London. And then like, yeah, the city of London is this weird kind of like

financial sector. Like I said, they've got their own mayor. They've also got the only unelected members who can go into parliament called the Remembrance. This guy called the Yeah, for real, right? For real. The Remembranceer. So he's an individual or she who works for the corporation of the city of London. That is older than London. Okay. So that's like the OG. So that's kind of like you've got the financial sector. You've got the city of London financial sector. The beating heart of that is the Corporation of London. Very dystopian stuff, right? And so The remembrancer, what a title, right? We'll go into Parliament and sit and listen and then report back to the corporation,

and they'll make a decision if they're actually going to pass that. That's a real government behind the government. So, interesting. They're a human, they're a mentat from Dune is what you're telling me. Pretty much. Yeah. It's the same kind of a vibe. You know about Lake Havisoo?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I played that game. London Bridge is in Lake Havasu. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, these people move up in there? They moved London Bridge. They really took, yeah, they took London Bridge to America. and built it Lake Havisw is just like the old city of London.

Yeah, man. And Freemasons lay the first stones in Lake Havisoo, like for that. Well, Mike to Columbus is the controlling interest. And the reason they brought that bridge is because there's kids wolds up in it, and it's a negatively charged. Like God, I don't know about that. Oh, yes. Well, Nathan Reynolds go check him out.

See, I started, here's what I do, because I'm on a new show, okay? So I'm looking at the current events. What's your show? What's your show? Jimmy Dore. I'm on it. Oh, you're on to Jimmy Dore. Okay.

So I'm getting actual news that nobody's getting because all the channels that people think are news are literally propaganda for the one guy who's president at the time. So Fox is entirely for Trump. I know your boomer parents watch it. They can. Yeah. It's the program Trump. Of course. MSNBC was for Supreme Biden.

Okay. Well, I want to see morning, Joe. That's it's all for one guy. And they're a bloodline with the British. I will say that from a British... Wait, wait. Gary the lead, bloodline with the British... From a British perspective, like, our propaganda is a bit more nuanced and subtle than the Americans.

Used to be. From, well, I would argue it still is. And that, you know, when you look at CNN and NBC, like, at least from my perspective, it's like, well, you can tell that they're drenched in bias. This is just political talking points. You've been stuck on a tarmac too? Yeah, bro. That's what I'm saying, though.

It's like it feels like the BBC, for example, they're fucking clever, man. Like they'll drip it in very subtly, you know, and this lovely British accents. You really feel like you're being informed, but it's the exact same thing. It's just a little bit more subtle. Speaking of which, do you see this Wall Street Journal article about the UFO stuff? Yeah, man. Like, again, I feel like there's a mix of like some actual truth to what they're saying and also, you know, an incentive to try and kind of like disrupt what's going on in the UAP conversation.

But I would argue that there is definitely a level of like, you know, bringing people in. Again, it comes back to this campfire story thing. Like, how many no offense, but how many whistleblowers have got up and gone like, yeah, I was told this, I was told this, I was told this. You didn't see shit, you didn't know that, you didn't see it. So you've been told this by who? By Lou, by Chris,

by Gary Nolan, by whoever it might be. And it's like, where's the seed? I want to trace the seed back to the origin point. And where where's the actual information? Because whenever you ask these guys, they got told it by another GS-15 or another high level. Yeah, well, I'm friends with his cousin. They fucking hate each other. John Warner the Fifth.

about Chris. Yeah, John 1.5th. Yeah, I know right. He's a classic character. He's great. Melon has the ex-protect file. Yeah. What happened to the Academy of the Stars? Where'd that go? Yeah, exactly. I was talking about this not that long ago. Like, Tudor's Academy. That's, you know, Tom DeLong, I feel, got thrown under the bus. He was what they would call a useful idiot. No offense, the guy. Yeah, like, you know, he was all excited. And I'll quickly, do you know how he initially started this, like Tom DeLong? He spent his personal fortune to find out. He was invited. He was invited, yeah, because he had

holiday party or something. Yeah, so he's always been involved in the UFO subject because he's got the money and the connections. He actually knew a dude at Lockheed Martin who was like, there's like a family and friends meetup happening. Would you be interested in introducing the bosses onto the stage? And he was like, I want 10 minutes with your boss afterwards. But yeah. And that's when he had, right? So literally, right?

So he walks into Lockheed Martin and then he gets taken, you know, through the classified facilities to a meeting room where he sits down with the big bosses, skunk works, all this stuff. And he pitches to the Stars Academy. And he was saying on the radio, you know, you have to go and be. of service. I wanted to be of service. So he basically went in there and was like, here's a template. I am your medium into the public, into the, you know, the youth of today. Use me. However you like. And one thing I'll say real quick is that despite the controversy and I wouldn't say I trust this guy 100%. But Stephen Greer was kicking down doors at that point. He had like, you know, six million, seven million views on Netflix. He's talking about unacknowledged special access programs, illegal programs, real repercussions that need to happen.

This is an uncontrollable asset who's out. there making noise. Suddenly, Tom DeLong turns up to the heartland of classified security, right? Lockheed Martin. And he's like, guys, use me. Here's what I want to do. Tell me what you want to do. Suddenly, two to star, suddenly Lou Elizondo, suddenly Chris Mellon, suddenly there's

New York Times. And it just feels like they were like, this is the opportunity we needed. There's a disruptive guy out there who's giving this narrative about illegal programs. It's going to cause trouble for us. Suddenly, here's a really famous guy who's got a link straight to the youth of today. And he's saying, we can fucking model it. There's an email, I think, between him and Podesta, where he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, between the long. They were tight.

They were tight. And this came out on WikiLeaks. And DeLong is like, uh, I want to, you know, give the truth, but I also want, you know, I don't want people to, I want the government to be portrayed as cool. So these emails came out. Yeah, dude, dude. So they're on WikiLeaks. Yeah. What's interesting is they are gone.

I've tried to find these WikiLeaks emails where he's talking about Egichel and something. People are scraped it. Yeah. but they're 404 on the website. Every single one about Tom DeLong interfacing with Podester and people like that. Back in the day, bro, he was literally saying to Podester on emails, like, I really want to try and get the youth of today to be more pro-military, more pro-government, and this is how we're going to do it.

And so the secret machines books and the TV series was all about trying to build confidence back into the institution. And yet, and yet I look at the people he was talking to you, Neil McCasel and Steve Justice, where I'm like, what's Steve Justice go? Where's Steve Justice go? You know what I mean? Totally. Totally. And I share your frustration around the campfire story stuff.

But I'm like, these guys are high-level dudes. And like, I don't think they would- Like I said, Camfire Stories with a TSSCI clearance attack. Yeah, totally, totally. And I don't think they would be spending this much time with the front band of Blink 182. If there wasn't something. But that's what I'm saying. Where's the seed?

What I want to know where that kernel of actual data exists, they're then echoing back into these circles of people who are like, well, I got told by Lou and Lou told me this. It's like, right, so who told him and where does he find it? I can tell you that. Go for it. So, M.K. Monarch, the thing that they have admitted was real. Now try to stay on it. Yeah, yeah.

Most of your favorite star, I think really the only actor didn't work with the CIA is probably Stephen Seagull. The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Stephen Seagull. But in the program, which is the continuation of M.K. Ultra, Tom DeLong's family, are they not Air Force? Yeah, he's got intelligence backgrounds. Like, Willie Schreiber. Yeah, no, another member.

of the band as well actually helped this. I'm not going to remember it, but I found this out and was like, what? So then another member of Blink 1-82 had family members in the intelligence community and he actually helped with something in the military and the IC. It was like some software or programming

or something he would help with. So there's two I see mill connections in Blink 128 Wow. Tom DeLong and this other guy, I think the bassist but I can't remember. Yeah, it's like all the rock stars of the 60s. Yeah, dude, it is weird. It's like all of them. Yeah, in the 60s, yeah. Your brain But it's just, I don't know, like, you know, did Tom DeLong have a natural interest, natural money?

I think he did. And then he got brought in and got fucked around. Did you hear your story? You know, that's what it feels. I want to be used by you. Well, I hear stories. Yeah, exactly. But I think that is not programmed into him because he's from an early age from one of them.

Right, right. I want to be of service. For sure. But then I hear, I hear stories of, you know, people like Neil McCaslin, who ran, I think, the AFRL, Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright, Pat. and stuff, like serious dudes taking Peter Levenda's work. So Peter LeVenda co-wrote, you know, this book with Tom the Lollong. Yeah, it goes back to the occult and the Renoir and all sorts of things. Like very seriously.

And I don't know what to think of it because I'm like, like, even my own relationship with the sort of more esoteric elements of this stuff is like, I find it fascinating. But it's, it's definitely to the extent it's entangled with reality. It's inherently like sort of covert and a cult means hidden. There's definitely a Gnostic theme running through a lot of these guys. Yeah. What they believe in and this idea of the archons and even Tom DeLong on like 2016. I got breakfast with Tom DeLong and he told me that he thought these were like archons.

Yeah, yeah. And there's like, you know, in Gnostic tradition, you have a demiurge that's a lower god that controls the material world. Popatier of our reality and then the gods of that reality, the archons, who kind of like recycle us back into the soup of reincarnation, yeah. Have you ever thought of scaling that down and applying the archon title to your human leaders? Right. Call themselves that because they think it's their divine right to do that to you. I would say it's a very similar type of a thing. And then like, you know, you look at Tom DeLong was like so excitedly talking in 2016 on the radio about this when someone asked about the archons.

And it was like, yeah, dude, like we've been developing weapon systems because we know they're coming back. And we've been waiting for them. And, you know, this is why they can't tell you about the UFO subject. And it's like, right, I have a massive issue with this. Like, I have an issue with people who say, like, we've been doing this in secret. that's why we couldn't tell you. Okay, so these things are trans-dimensional. They apparently interface of consciousness

can apparently bend space-time fabric but we can keep a secret from them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, bro. That's a great point. That's a weak source. Right, right, right, right. There's no way that Tom DeLong sitting there on like,

you know, the radio going like, no, trust me, dude, like we're hiding it because of the aliens. Like, the fuck, they've heard it. Like, you know what I mean? So, like, that doesn't wash with me. Yeah. I think that, you know, someone like Tom DeLong, he got brought in and he was so excited

and it's kind of like, you know, on a lower level similar to me when I was first meeting people and, you know, like, hanging out with CIA officers and you think this is so cool. Like, these guys are actually giving me time, but they're so good at becoming your friend. Like, you know, that's what I was saying before. They're good at doing that because they see you as someone that, you know,

can send a message through it. Yeah, show biz is bold. Yeah, like not every time, but I think there's a lot of that in the UFO community because it's like perfect ground zero for them to interface with the public and create a bit of a rumor or, you know, a bit of a campfire story. What do you think the point is, because a part of me is like, Confusion. A confusion.

Absolute confusion as to what it's actually going. going on because like again, there's definitely something going on. There's something really, really important and probably non-human. Do you have like a best guess at that? Or do you think that maybe the SIEOP above all else is that they don't know? Yeah, that could be a. They haven't got a clue. Because I suspect that no one knows.

Well, that's kind of where I lean is like they've got maybe slightly higher fidelity information and ideas, but they don't really know what it is and they don't know how to address it. And it's like, you know, how does the premier national security app? bratus go, we have no idea. They can penetrate every system. They can destroy us. They can take you out of your room at night. Like, you know, all that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, I think that there's an element of that. But then there's also like, you know, like I said, the classified exotic research and, you know, using the alien as a smokescreen for that. So there's so many incentives to keep us

in the dark and also spread all these different stories, which we've seen since like the 1940s when they started these UFO conferences and these spooks and spies would come in and they give people, ideas, but look at what we're dealing with now, a spaghetti junction of narratives with a thousand people saying a thousand things and that are all true. This is the narrative. This is the narrative. It's like no one actually knows that feels purposeful. It feels like it's generating noise because again, there is something to look at. Yeah. And it's maybe the implications are so deep that they can't risk people knowing about it. So it's better to believe in gray aliens coming from Alpha Centuroy or whatever, you know. But again, like you said, I think that there's a likelihood that

they don't really know. They don't really know. And that's a shit. It's a shit. It's a shit out of them. Yeah. There's clearly their patterns. There's clearly a old gods or something. Like, you know, like, you know, like whatever we might think. Like, you know, it's the Anodac. Did you read that book of the Collins Elite? Oh, man. I've read a few things on the Collins Elite. You know, like the final events by Nick Redfern. Yeah, Nick Redfern. Now, whoever he was talking to was feeding him horseshit. Right. But the book's still very interesting. Radical Christian ideologs. Yes, because I watched Jason Joy, I was calling Jazz Jabrony, but his name's Jason to George Johnny because he and again I don't need to agree with all your points I just everybody's got a little

peace I just want your peace yeah yeah okay and he he he goes this Collins elite that are fundamentalist Christians yeah George W Bush years okay so he called Powell's in on that there'd be a lot of these people in on that and they're fundamentalist Christians then you read about what they did well first we met aliens and then we're like can we use this to assassinate people well are you guys Christians I thought you're Christians right right right right Yeah, Christians do that. Yeah, yeah. No, they don't.

No, they don't. So now I'm being fetished. By the way, Collins, just so you know, is one of the old Barnabas Collins from the, what do they call it, the Dark Shadows, Johnny Depp played him in the remake. Oh, I don't know, man. Yeah, it was a 70s thing from England, Barnabas Collins, very popular. Dark Shadows, Johnny Depp later played him in the Tim Burton remake movie. Okay. Okay.

But that name Collins, that's one of them, the 13 families. Right, big powerful name. First warlocks in America is the. their claim to fame. I wonder if that's the same Collins elite. Maybe. Hey, I notice a lot of occultists all think that they're Christian. And they say it like they are.

Like your J.R. Tolkien's, who by the way, was a Rosicrucian, just like Disney. He was. He was. He was a Catholic priest's son. He was a Christian pedophile. Didn't he have that? Didn't a Tolkien eventually convert to Christianity fully because of C.S. Lewis? Oh, I don't know.

I'm making that up. Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe it was the opposite. Maybe CS Lewis eventually. I know he had ties into these esoteric communities, though. What's up, guys? One of today's sponsors is us, American Alchemy. We just launched what I think is maybe the coolest merch line in the world.

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I got that word from him. I didn't make that up. It's a metaphorical overlay. Once you realize that principle of a metaphorical overlay, then you go, I've heard this story before. Like, I'm saying with the tall whites. Oh, this sounds like some races came to an island. And we're like a cargo cult that tries to make the same planes out of wood.

But I got news for you. I think they have all those metamaterials now. The helium three and the fuck and the Bob Lazarum, Muscovium 113 because I text you about it. They made that in a part of it. collider in Russia. That's what CERN is. How much metamaterial could I get out of the biggest one or the 30,000 ones we have?

You know something wild about CERN, right? They're not opening portals. They're making things. They're making what's interesting about that. Because I mean, like, obviously, like, everyone's making theories about CERN and, like, you know, what's going on there. But there was that woman who I look. Astrid Stucklberger.

Yeah, man. And she's got a hell of a resume. She has a really impressive. She's kind of like a public health policy expert, but sits on all these interesting words. And she's in an interview. and she goes, physicists from CERN are telling me that beings are coming out of interdimensional portals at CERN.

There are lots of physicians. I know some. They're doing very strange experimentation. There are beings from portals coming in and out. Physicists from the Cern who told me this. They've testified to beings coming in and out of portals. Yes. So this is what's crazy.

Right. I reached out to her a one summer, like last summer, not maybe. maybe two summers ago. Right. Because I was fascinated. That interview came out and I was like, I need to, because I do think high energy physics, whether it's Thomas Townsend Brown, Tesla, nuclear stuff, you get weird stuff showing up. It can yield anomalies.

Yeah, for sure. That's where you're testing the boundaries of our reality. Right. And the whole Feynman, there's room at the bottom. That's how you get into that. And so I was like, okay, this is really interesting. So I reach out to no response. Then I throw that clip in a long video.

I did with this guy, Risberg, who does simulation theory stuff. She got back to you. And she emails me and she was like, we must talk now or whatever. And it was, yeah, and it was responding to my initial inquiry, clearly because she had read it. Right, right. And just didn't know who you were and was like, whatever. I don't know who this guy is. Yeah, like, yeah.

But clearly she did. And I was like, okay, let's talk this week. And then just ghosted, like, never heard from her. So, so strange. Well, that's the thing. I only, she was on, like, some obscure interview on bitch shoot or something like that. You know, she wasn't on, like, YouTube or anything like that. And I think because she was also talking about COVID,

and it was during that time where you just couldn't say shit. But I found it very interesting what she was saying. And I don't know, man, like, you know, certain, so many theories about what they're doing over there. And it's a difficult one. But high energy physics, like you said, I mean, I've heard some things from people who, you know, work in the quantum computational industries

and kind of like some of the high level simulations they're running on like black holes and dark matter and weird shit is going on localized to the computer. And there's a famous, there's a famous crash in the U.S. at South Haven, right next to Brookhaven National Lab, right? Brookhaven. That's where our largest particle accelerator is. So that's our CERN equivalent in Long Island.

Right. And you have the police chiefs there and a bunch of local residents say that it was collected by Brookhaven. The crash itself. And Brookhaven's Montau, right? That's Montauk. It's near. It's kind of like in that vein.

Like, it was weird shit going down in Brookhaven Labs. They had a gate program. Yeah, they had something going on. It's good talented. So do you guys think the Montauk is? experiments were real. Because you've had on Eric Hecker. Yeah. My boy, Eric. Yeah, Eric. Yeah, I know you guys

were chatting in a space a long ago. You know we bombed Iraq that day? They had a five point No shit. Two earthquake. Hey, you know Syria where we just installed Al-Qaeda? Remember, we went to war? Your brain makes too many connections. That's what the government tells me. Yeah. Yeah.

Think about what you just said. We'll just call it a little context for the audience real quick. Eric Hecker. Who's Eric Hecker? Eric Hecker is, he was a plumber, like quite a high-level plumber. He went out to a lot of different, like, you know, interesting clients, but he ended up getting a contract via Raytheon to go out to Antarctica and do work out there. Ice cube. Yeah, ice cube neutrino detector and things like this.

And because of his role, like, people kind of like shrug it off because, you know, you're just a mechanic, just a plumber. But because of that role, you get access to so many different areas of, like, the sites and the facilities to do basic work and upkeep. And he said that he had noticed that, like, energy was being transferred from one area, to another area where it wasn't supposed to be going. Like a huge amount of energy was being sent off to these places when he was, you know, trying to de-energize the cables and things like that.

And he was like, you know, where's all this going? And they're like, don't even worry about it. And then he, I can't remember the specifics of how he's kind of come to this conclusion, but he's pretty short of the ice cube neutrino detector, which is like embedded into the ice. I mean, it's absolutely insane. This thing with all these like doms that are going deep down into the ice. It's essentially like, you know, this three-dimensional technological construct.

he thinks that there is, well, he's found documentation to be fair to him, like documents that insinuate, it's a two-way device that the energy can be used to emitter. Actually emit instead of just receive. So it's not just a receiver of retrinos. And it's an earthquake gun. And it's an earthquake gun. You know, that's what he believed.

Yeah, Price Church, New Zealand. I don't know how true that is because I haven't really seen satisfactory evidence for it. But that is the claim. That is what he's saying. And he's become quite well known for, you know, talking about that. And I know you've connected to him pretty recently. I just did a thing with him. I talk to him all the time.

Yeah, he's an interesting guy. He also talks about, because he says he was in it like a childhood. Yes, he was. Sorry, yeah, yeah, early on. And then he said he talks about the Montauk experiment. I grew up on Long Island. I had a very peculiar history of nefarious activity with the Stargate program. Yeah, you know, I've forgotten the name of Inisfada.

Inisvada. That was the name of the school that's now been turned. It was renamed and then destroyed. But I did find the place. It was real. and it was called Inisfada when he was there and it was like this weird school for gifted children and they would do the remote viewing stuff

and apparently they'd take him to the library and put this like fluid in their eyes that would make everything turn slightly yellow and he said he'd remember like being really like pumped to go outside and like see if it was still there because everything would be in yellow and he didn't really know why they were doing that but it was at this time where he was being

you know kind of prompted to remote view and you know there's no wrong answer just tell us what you think and he didn't really understand what was going on in this setting It was very different to his school environment. And like Kurt said, you know, this is something that a lot of people seem to have been brought into, especially in America. It seems you guys have been running that because I don't know about the UK.

I haven't heard many stories of like, you know, that kind of stuff. I know like at the point four or five people who, if you met in any other context, you'd be like this is a normal, credible person, say that they like, they're brought into this some program as a kid. They don't remember a certain year of their life. Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. I think there's some truth to them. that, brother, like, you know, of course you would try and get some of the best and brightest

and try and, especially if you're genuinely are interested in parapsychology, but you tell the world that. It's like, right, fine, these kids, see if they can do it, see if they can interface. I mean, NASA had the star kids. That's even, like, mainstream knowledge now. We know that NASA was getting these kids and trying to get them into remote viewing. Yeah, Andre Pujarich had his institute in upstate New York. And a lot of the astronauts did remote viewing.

I mean, Edgar Mitchell was really known for that, doing experiments when he was up on the moon. And Gordon Cooper. Gordon Cooper. The discussion about space kids and stuff. You put a blue Masonic flag on the moon. You know people think the moon landing's fake? Right, right. I don't think it is just based on they put a blue Mason Lodge flag on.

Yeah, Buzz Aldrin. Do you think the footage that we saw might have been faked, but not the actual mission itself? That's my belief. That's kind of where I am. Yeah. I wonder because some people say, like, you know, people say nukes aren't real because some of the footage is fake. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Smart thinking. Yeah, Mark Andreson said that. Yeah, yeah. He's been that floating around. He's an absolute liar. He's a somebody. Sorry to tell you. He's one.

I watch him do it. Tell that shit to the Japanese, man. They might have a few things to say about that. What about the radiation? I got this from Joseph P. Farrell. This is a great little tidbit. I've never heard anybody say this before. When he, he remembers from being a little nerd kid when, what's the German guy that ran

the rocket program, the famous one. Werner Von Braun. Yeah. He has a blurb in Time magazine that his mom got. And he's reading, and Vernar von Braun, he tells the, while he's talking about the moon facts, you know, he goes, well, the point of neutral, you know, the point of neutral gravity where he gives like double the amount for what they said it is. Right. And then the, and then who does? Von Braun.

Ron Brown. To what we're now given today. Not only that. So because he's such a turbo nerd, Joseph B. He puts together that means it's more dense than they're saying. It's farther away. Right. Oh, right.

There's a race to the moon. Remember how we got to get to the moon. Don't know why, but we got to get there. before they were Russia? Well, Sputnik was beating, yeah, they were beating us. That's what they said. That's what we're told, right? That's what we're told, for sure.

How did we get all the good Nazis after the war, but Sputnik was beating us in space? How does that work? Oh, maybe the same way Pearl Harbor work, where you cut off Japan's oil, so they have to attack you because you want them to. So you think Sputnik was a false flag? No, I think they wanted Sputnik to go ahead. So they go, hey, we've got to start working a lot harder, guys. It provided the impetus to do that. Right. And what's weird as well is that there's a clip. There's this really good clip.

I mean, it's just like a real what-the-fuck moment with this NASA astronaut who's like, oh, I'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we destroyed that technology and it's a very difficult process to build it back again. I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we destroyed that technology. And it's a painful process to build. it back again. It's like, what? Yeah. And like, how did we get through the Van Allen radiation belt at that time, but now we can't. Yeah, it's really interesting. Roney and LEO low Earth orbit now. You know, you know, you know, how Starships, what their plan is to get to the moon. It's wild. What is it? So it's, starship is, you know, Elon's latest

rocket, 150 to 200 tons or whatever. And this is a state of the art, you know, thing. It's obviously much more tonnage than what we were dealing with back then. It's meant to, like, carry, you know, huge payloads of scrolling and shit. But still, this is what we have to do now to get to the moon. And we did this before we had something like an iPhone, like, you know, the entire computational processing of NASA couldn't even fit in my pocket. And your pocket. You know what I mean? So, so, so these things now go up to lower orbit. They burn nine tenths of the fuel tank just to get to lower the orbit. And then they're orbiting around. And then you have to get another one up. That burns nine tenths. It does butt to butt refueling with the first one. So you get

two tenths in that first noise. The second one then disposes of itself. You have to do that ten times. You have to do that 10 times to get a full tank in low Earth orbit. And then that one that's fully refueled goes to the moon. Yeah, I feel like that alone debunks and asks some serious questions. It's insane. It's really crazy. It's really crazy.

Yeah, where the fuck? Oil's not rare. Colonel Prouty told us. It's like diamonds. Like to beers. Stay on track. So you're all this track. All on it. No, it's a little king of non sequiters. But you don't, okay, look, look, I'm telling you this for real, dude. Part of the things for people

on the program. They have a list of you can read. You're a non-linear thinker. The ability to synthesize seemingly unrelated events. Now, when I read that, that's how I write jokes. The reason I look at all goofy shit and I look at everything is so I can have jokes. A lot of my jokes

that I made as jokes have, like, come true. It's disturbing the fuck out of me. Diana Posulagin needs to write American Cosmic 2 about Kurt and his brain. American Cochoo, Electric Boogoo. He gets downloads. Electric Boogoo.

Dude, look, he has protocols. You all should be seeing that, I want to make this clear that I'm not smart. I fell for 9-11 back in the day. I was in New York. And they go, we got to go to Iraq. And people rightly pointed out, that makes zero sense. And I said, shut up. I made a lot of faces Jesse made here on the show today.

Be a patriot. I'm too. Okay, come on. Well, I just, I think you have to, like, with 9-11 even, like, I now suspect more than ever that there's some fuckery there. but I don't know. And I think you have to stay in that not-knowing zone to be an honest... Let me give you a good parable from the...

Do you remember when we starved half a million kids in Iraq with those sanctions and what's her creepy name? She was the bird bitch. She's getting an interview on 60 Minutes. Albright. And the lady goes... And I'm watching... You're going to like the first female secretary of state.

Oh, that matters. That matters if you're a lizard person, doesn't it? Let me get through it. Okay? I don't get a nervous rich kid feeling. I'm just trying to get through it. I know they're your friends. Just relax.

Okay? I don't blame you for the FTX kid. I'm not like the other. So Matt LaLubert's sitting there being asked. I'm a comic. She's being asked, hey, over half a million kids starve from our sanctions. You know when we canceled Iraq. Yeah.

And their kids starve because that's what we do, the good country. And was it worth it? And Matt Laudbright, she goes, like a zombie she's, issues, I think it was the first woman said that. Damn, bro. I think it was worth starving half of, now luckily we have the numbers. There's only a quarter million Iraqi kids, so, but if she would do that and say, I think it's worth it on a goddamn camera, you think that bitch wouldn't drink a baby

in the woods with an outfit like this on? Are you dumb? Are you young? Right. You haven't figured out the scam yet. So I think of this like scams. They don't know what it is. They thought they knew.

They got Nigerian prince scammed. Get it? think of it as crypto scams be coffee zilla about it coffee zilla who i recommended to rogan show i want to admit he kermy's trez orgasmos the writer of as the carpets or the drapes

i recommended them the guy does killer work right just apply that just do a metaphor it's so easy it's just pattern recognition you can see the game that's being played on you hey this reminds me of this you just got to do that all

humans can do this shit They're literally training you not to do it. Have you noticed? I believe there is some, you know, ambient evil in the neoliberal world order or whatever. And NeoCon, which are kind of synonymous in many ways. Yeah, man. But like, when you meet these people, I don't know. I'm not sure they're drinking baby blood in the woods.

Like, I'm sure I know there is weird shit, like the Epstein shit, of course. You know the MPA Ultra reason, right? Manchurian candidate is based on that. What if we could have a secret agent that don't know they're an agent? Wouldn't that be great? And if they get captured, they honestly didn't know they did it. We achieved that. That's been achieved since ancient Egypt, but we achieved it.

We big farm it with the Nazis we saved. As that's a matter of public record, not a conspiracy. We brought Nazis here with big fucking scars down their face to run NASA, which had the space kids camp. I wonder what went on there. And we had them run it to some reason beat the Soviet. Get to the moon. Get to the moon and destroy the ship.

NASA had a space kids camp? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Like I was saying, you can look it up now. It's kind of general knowledge that they had like space kids and like the star kids. I think it was called or something like that. I know about Pujarich or whatever, but did NASA have official?

Yeah, yeah. NASA had something like a gifted children's thing. But I think it's kind of like, you know, there's a mainstream acknowledgement of that. And then the surface layer of that is people saying, yeah. And while we were there, they were teaching us remote viewing. That's kind of like the thing that's not necessarily discussed publicly, but was part of that. program. Yeah, wow.

Nonsense. Yeah, man. No, I don't remember doing anything like that. Maybe I didn't pass and nothing happened, but I just don't remember. Well, Wernivon Brown apparently encouraged also Edgar Mitchell to go up and do the sort of parapsychology, like pick this card sort of... Ghostbusters beginning. Remember that?

No. No. Dan, I've gotten dinner with Dan Aykroyd. He is obsessed with UFOs. Yeah, he loves all. Yeah, he's probably a high-level Freemason, and that's why he's into... Boy, says his family... Wouldn't surprise me.

You know, psychic research for 100 years. That dude knows a lot of stuff, I promise you. He also smokes a ton of weed. Nice. Maybe that opens some portals. Weed on the MK Ultra list of what drugs do to control you. Yeah. Marijuana breaks amnesiac barriers and interferes with the programming.

So in Montauk. That's probably why I'm so dope. Mm. Don't worry. They fix the problem now. So the weed, I'm sure. Oh, lame, man. But why was weed illegal so long?

Well, it interfered with the mass mind control. Can I give you my crazy MK Ultra theory? Go right ahead. Okay, so Jolly West, you know, one of the architects of MK Ultra, like I feel like a lot of it was like you had this like center for violence studies, violence reduction. I kind of think it was like local violence creation for mass pacification or violence reduction. So it's like things like Manson where you have this, you have a symbolic. escapego where like Manson was synonymous with like the hippie

movement and you have him this is the way that you then go we got to stop this guy exactly look at this one Thomas Thompson writes it down and it becomes legend right right right that was oh there are those hippies so that's the guy closing the book on that little op right there and if you read the Franklin scandal

I was like nah he wasn't there then I'm like wait a minute his death's a bit suspicious isn't it Hunter Us pretty sure he was shot with a suppressed pistol looking to his life it's worse yeah And all the crazy to talk about adrenachrome, I know, where did I hear of that? I heard of that in, Fear and Loving in Las Vegas. He wanted to find some.

He wrote about a drinochrome? He wrote about adrenochrome. Have you seen Fear and Loving the film? Uh-huh. So in that, there's a scene where they take adrenochrome. He's like, I got it from the Satanist. You can only get it from a pine gland, like a real pit. And it's like, they'd give the whole spiel about adrenicro.

You thought it was a hallucinic. See, they made it look like it's like a hallucinogenic or like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But now when they talk about it, have you noticed this? they talk about like it's a narcotic, like a cocaine. Right. Now, here's a weird fact. I don't know how it fits in.

Maybe you heard some. The stuff for an epipan when you have allergy. The adrenaline, right? That's adrenaline. And if you let that go bad, it turns into adrenochrome. Oh. But it looks like red powder. So why can't you just use that if it's a drug?

I mean, like, I don't know. I definitely think there's something to adrenalize blood. Like, you know, this whole idea that, you know, you get someone into a perpetual state of fear. They've got all this adrenaline running through them. Like, that blood's going to be rich in adrenaline. Whatever that really does to someone's mind if they just, drink it, I don't know. But like, you know, they definitely don't want us to think that there's anything like actionable

or real. What's an internet role, you? Like, they try to, somebody a disembodied thing feeding on your, they say stuff to provoke you. Right. To feed on your negative emotions. Does that story sound familiar to? Yeah.

Again, it does. Like a fractal pattern. As the cartons, so the drapes. We're going to technologically create. It's like a demonic. It's like, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And I think that happens in different levels and later. a society in different ways you know it does not suck because i found your show in there yeah i learned yeah now i don't no that's true that that stuff's dope like the fact that you can make connections that you can never make but we're gonna make more progress and all this they fucked up putting but they but it also sometimes i'm like i just got to get this out of my brain like the people you sometimes get focused on because they're and then sometimes people attack you for no reason it can be very overwhelming actually yeah about it 100 you have to lose your and the issue with that is that this is a very egotistical space like

You know, a lot of competition between people and, like, you know, like, influences and content creators and whatever, whatever. And, like, that's something that I found very tiring is just, like, dealing with the egos in this field. Well, it's so ironic, right? Because it's like, people say I've got a massive ego. Maybe I do. Well, UFO should, like, UFO should be, like, this sacred thing. And instead, you have all this, like, jockeying around, like, you know, I want to be the disclosure person or this or that. It's also dumb.

Exactly. And it's a cottage industry. There's a lot of money to be made. Like, you know, people don't think there's any. money in UFOs? Like, have you been to somebody's conferences where they've got the whole place hide out? And it's like, there's money there. That's how they compromise you for anything. And then all the CIA people are at these conferences. Yeah, they are. In bed within the crowd, talking to people. I was never offered money, okay? I don't want to say these things I'm saying,

but they won't pay me. Yeah. I'm not saying them. Still wearing on my paycheck. I haven't even thought to do that. Yeah. Not once. Rood. Yeah. Because my cape is as nice as some people's capes. Yeah. And my aug staff, yeah, maybe I got a party three before I came here. but don't show that I have that certain knowledge. And yeah, maybe my cult leader sunglasses are, I got him at the 7-11 before I came here when I got my claw. Well, I don't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I offered way too much more money than I can afford, to be honest,

to have Kirkpatrick come on my show, and then my buddy doubled it. So now I sold that. It's at 100 Ket. And I don't think he's going to come. But I think it's a revealed preference that he's being paid up. Kirkpatrick, Sean Kirkpatrick Patrick Patrick, you know this guy is? He's not meta bad enough for you because you want only pro-disclosure people to be bad,

but they're anti-disclosure people who are all judge people. It's too simple. But it's also like, you know. I judge you're good or bad. I judge if you lie with him. I definitely. Well, he's a liar. I definitely get, right.

But I definitely get frustrated with like the pro-disclosure activists who are kind of like anyone who's coming out from the government who isn't Lou Elizondo is wrong about what they're saying. And it's like, yeah, okay. But like, again, I would say that someone like Lou, for example. But on the facts, Kirkpatrick Patrick got so much wrong in that article. Oh, no, absolutely. I'm not disparaging that. Like, you know, Sean is a, is a shady character.

Shady. But so is Lou. Sure, sure. So is the guy that drops fake UFO photos on stage and in congressional settings and they get debunked in 24 hours. He was wrong before that. So much as well, I know, bro. I've been following it for a long time. Okay, so Sajre ban Cohen, who, by the way, has a mutation as either he can read tiny writing that no one can see.

Are you sure? That's kind of cool. So, what a wild little superpower to have. I do don't improv. He writes the lines you say. Holy shit. Word for word. Yeah.

When he would go in character. He said genius. Dude, it was, he would go in character. So we did this billionaire character, Gio. And he's talking to a yacht salesman about putting girls in a boat. And now I want to tell you all these pranks, it's all these rich kids that are funny kids and they burn family connections to do pranks. This is 2017. I'm doing this.

Hysterical shit, dude. We had Dick Cheney on and he asked him to sign his waterboard and, you know, all kinds of fun stuff. Larry, he goes my waterboarding kit. He goes, oh, he signed my waterboard. My favorite was so funny. Oh, is this in the This is America. Who is America? Who is America?

Oh, my God. That was disturbing, bro. Yeah. So I, every time I go, no one is going to fall for this. This is too stupid. Okay? I was wrong. I was not right one.

Right. Dude, they did these fake charities. I wrote about like skinny shaming the kids of Sudan and say, my body, my choice. Like, we had some rockers. They'll say anything because the camera's on them. It was unbelievable, but the Gio one. That's what I want to talk to Weinstein because his story of meeting Epstein. Yeah.

It sounded, dude, it sounded like what we did on the show. Like, was Epstein doing a prank show? And then I realized, oh, we were doing what an Intel operation is. And here's the thing. Right. So I had some ones I think of funny, and I thought they were so stupid who would fall for this. But in Georgia, Iran, Marad, the Israeli command. Oh, my God, that blew my mind.

And when he was getting the guy to have the little teddy bear guns for kids and stuff. Oh, yeah. They did that before. I think of where they built a mosque. So in case they'd active... Oh, it's so funny. And he's like, you builds your cubicle into a moss so they can't attack you.

The guy's wearing a turban and genie shoes. Holy shit. And he's like, has a flute and a rubber... I mean, come on. And so, Sajl, what do you do? He goes, I'm a mother-in-go-what-you-eat. What are you eating? Hummus.

Okay. And then I had the pork shield and the gay pork. Pork. You're gay. Like to chase the shooter out. Yeah. And they actually do it.

That's the thing that's crazy about it. These people who are like senators They were actually on the show. Doing it. Doing it. That's right. So what do I do? I move towards him with my ass. I can say, America.

America. See what the thing is from what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These people are fucking actors. The guy from the Federal Reserve, why do we have to borrow money that we print? Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the, yo, that can sit with you worse than a UFO story. Yeah, dude. What the fuck? None of you know how anything works. I feel like I shouldn't have better intel than the president of the United States. United States. I don't think it's because I'm a super spy. I think because there's a big problem

at the top. Do you? Yeah. Obviously. In both subjects in terms of like, do they even know what's going on? Like we barely, they barely even know what's going on in the Federal Reserve. They really know what's going on with like, you know, ancient aliens and like any of this stuff. Like, it makes it right for counterintel because of that. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because it's, it's this, it's both real and it's ephemeral. And so it's so co-operable. You can, it's a Rorschach. Yeah. You can say it's that. You sure. Yeah. You can say. You can say. It's like all these things. Yeah, I know with Scherendry.

Yeah, thank you. You know, he was a better. All the physicists are Schrodinger at a journal of the 12-year-old girls he would court. He said no one should go to. Oh, dude. Schernerner? Yeah.

Oh. No. You look into, oh, and how about the physicist? I bet you met him who invited Rogan to Epstein Island. These people, you'd be shocked. Wait, who invited Rogan to Epstein? Krause. No, no, really.

Lawrence Kraus. Really? No, really. He's got a record. Lawrence Kraus is on Epstein Island. But did he invite, he invited Joe Rogan? Yeah, I won't say no more than that. I mean, a lot of people got invited.

A lot of people got invited. Stephen Hawking was out there as well. Oh, people go, I'm disappointed. Yeah, yeah. If Stephen Hawking was there, he's the victim, stupid. Obviously, right? Yeah, yeah. No, but I think, again, it's like, you know, like something like that.

Something like that, though, it could be the fact that, you know, like, hey, there's this individual called Jeffrey Epstein. He's very interested in science. He's funded a lot of stuff. Would you be willing to come to his private island? He'd love to, like, host you. And it's like, cool, I'll go. I'll go do that.

Then you leave. You had no idea that it was an island of rapists. A hundred percent. And they're arbitraging stagnation in academia. Yeah. We're like nothing vital or interesting is happening. Right, right. So you pay them off.

You have prestige and you have even, you have probably of age girls. And some of these guys are single. And for God's sakes, you have one paraplegic who can't talk or whatever. And it's like they don't know. You know, in certain cases they probably did. But others, they didn't. It's a mixed bag. It's a mixed bag.

Yeah. I mean, Bobby Slayton went to his house in your, I know Bobby Slayton didn't. do some. A rich guy in your comic. Yeah. Let's hang out. Go to this thing. You get creeped out and they're watching. How do you respond to this? Eric Weinstein explained it.

Yeah. Got the American flag coffin table to see if he'd spill his drink on it. Yeah. Well, the Weinstein thing's crazy because he was like, it was almost like Epstein knew about his theory. Of course he did. Right. But like right as he produced it. It was like, Epstein was tracking.

Right. Right. It was like, oh, you produced it, boom. Yeah. Bit too fast. Yeah. Bit too fast. A high frequency trader for like theories of everything and interesting science and shit.

Oh, that's interesting what you just say. It is like high because it's like, yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, it is. It's rigged. You could bet in the market for it's high frequency trading. So you'll never get access to it before certain people. Right, right, right. And that's how we have this secrecy.

Well, I was kind of wonder. So this is getting into really weird territory. But it's like, I wonder if he was a fly trap for like deeper like exotic propulsion sign. Yeah. I wonder about that. I wonder about that. He was. He was.

Yeah. The Casimir effect. Of course. The Casimir effect being like, you know, this sort of dark energy shown between two uh, charred, or non-charged but conductive plates that seem to attract. You know, that like, like, geckos. This is a real for for. Yeah.

Yeah. And he's like, how could we harness this ostensibly for propulsion? I mean, this is like not really like necessarily evidence, but I think he's interesting. There was that woman, I can't remember which one it was who was a victim who did like the murals and the paintings. Maria Farmer. And like, they. There's a mural called like the Centiles, which is like the elite spelled backwards.

And it's like this big mural of all the different people that were associated. Les Wexner, you can see all the characters. Galane Maxwell's depicted as a dragon biting a child in half. It's all very nasty stuff. And then there's also an antenna going up with an FBI flag on it with a flying saucer hanging off the top of it with Epstein's face inside the window. So it's like, okay. So like who knew and what was he actually trying to achieve in terms of his own scientific ideas and explorations? And obviously, like I said, he's funding all of these different movements.

He knew everyone on the Nobel Peace Prize board. I have an answer for you, brother, because I didn't. I get it up to the fog. Daniel on this. Here's what, what's his name? The wheelchair robot man was. Stephen, he was those ruins that came out in National Geographic of possible Atlantis and then they never talked about it again.

Right. And the pictures were online. You can see him. What, underwater? He went in a submarine to go look at that. Remember, Guy Lane. He really cares about the ocean. Terramar, the Terramar Project.

Like, she had a whole thing. going on there, which is interesting. She's the controller, not Epstein. Do you know about Taramah? She's the handbook. Like they're kind of like overseas and like Atlantic Ocean trading network they were trying to establish with people like, who's the guy behind Virgin? Branson.

Branson and like he hosted them all on his island for the Taramara project. It's like basically these elites setting up some sort of like, I don't even know how to say it. Like they kind of considered it their own country because when she was being interviewed, she was asked if she's a citizen of any other country and she said, Terramar. It's like, okay, so what is Terramar? She did.

She said it was her other citizenship. And it's like this elite network of trading routes, trading routes and shipping container going around places like near Antarctica, off the grid, and it was being held by all these fucking huge elites. So there's something about the Terramar project, man. Dude, I forgot that. That went under the radar.

No. Yeah, dude. Whoa, I forgot that. I didn't even know. Wild. Well, I sometimes wonder if on that note, this is crazy speculative, but like, you know, William Stevenson is? Maybe by face, not name.

He was Churchill's super spy, but he helped start the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan, you know, OSS. And he was really close with a lot of, like, U.S.-based scientists, like Charles Steinmetz, and Thomas Townsend Brown. There were close confidants. And he was doing a lot of stuff in and around the Caribbean, the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands. And he ended up spending the rest of his. career in the Caribbean doing like shady trade stuff and I wonder if there's a connection between like I feel like he and Robert Maxwell had to have known each other through MI6 circle or something so

I don't know I mean this is getting crazy it is interesting did I don't know if he said I think but so the people he worked for yeah so you know people go Elon Musk the richest man in the world but he's not the richest man in the world you what do you think they would put that in Ford right richest man disclosed they're telling that to you publicly yeah I go back and forth on that I I don't know. Do you guys sure? I mean, I'm not sure of anything.

I'm not either. I'm not either. I'll bet a, I agree that like maybe it's like, I mean, you know. That's zero dollars. Old money people that have got like holdings in other countries and like

vaults of treasure and things like that. People think, you know, poor people think people are rich and you're really, hey, you're a rich kid and they have no concept of what it, what it's like at certain levels to not understand. They're rich kids don't think they're rich.

I'm not rich. That guy's rich. You know, You always have a new. Yeah, yeah. And I live in New York and I did comedy so I could just go to all the things and get a perspective on what shit is, right? And that's the compartmentalization and that's how it's supposed to be. And all the, so are there hybrid kids?

Yeah, when they say bloodlines, it sounds spooky, why do we keep track of royalty at all still? Does anybody wonder that? Why do I give a shit about Megan and Harry and the Prince? British people I know don't even care about it. I guess they're a human flag. Most of the younger generation fucking hate the royals. Of course. All populist things got to be crushed.

Right. So how do you crush them with nonsense distractions? I mean, it's endless, dude. But we got woke after Alcapade Wall Street. Remember that? Woke happened after that. And that is a way of controlling populism because, you know, what do we see these days when there's a populist front?

It's just immediately a right-wing, far-right racist movement. And that's the way that we disregard. it and we get rid of it. And it's like a lot of these populist movements are just popping up because of the fact that it's a direct reaction to institutional power and control and censorship. And they turn it around and they switch it to make it seem like you don't want to be supporting those. You realize these are Nazis or racist.

It's like, yeah, right, right, right. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. I can't deal with the hypocrisy. Those are the good ones. Can't deal with that hypocrisy, right? Like, let's all salute Azoff Battalion. But, you know, don't worry about these people who are just trying to create some freedom

in their own country. Like, you know, it's crazy. Yeah. United Fruit Company story. We should talk about the pyramids. I don't even go to the last year. I know. I was going to. Oh, sorry. We got to talk for a second. I got to piss anyway, so. All right. So do I, but I'll let you go for it. You go. You go. Maybe come back. Maybe come back. We've had Alex Jones on the show, and Kurt, you are 10x crazier than Alex Jones. And I love it. I know why the cage bird sings now. I used to judge Alex Jones, but I know why he's like that.

He's a cage bird? Here, wait, hold the staff on gone. This is wonderful. Okay. You know, I love him. Oh, he's fantastic. Great. He's great. He's awesome.

It's kind of like if you brought me in and we were like, right, let's get some like dude from the underpass on as well. Yeah, yeah. Dressing his cape. Like, let me tell you about the secrets of the Illuminati. Or if we were both on a mega dose of LSD. That's what it feels like. Feels like I'm rolling on something pretty strong right now. Now that was really good, dude.

Like the pyramids, though. We should talk about that. We should get into that because it's interesting. What the fuck is going on? What's under the pyramids? What's happening? Because you're in touch with the research team that found this through synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography, these structures and they're reconstructing the structures. Is any of this real?

Yeah. I mean, like my opinion on it is at this point, there's 100% things underneath the Giza Plateau and the pyramids, whether or not we can completely correlate that to the very interesting 3D models that they've created. I think that's more of, you know, kind of an inspired artistic recreation. But at this point, I would say it's undeniable that they are finding, significant. significant subterranean signatures below the geese plateau. And like there's been so many assumptions. Like even actually driving here on the way, I got into a talk with my Uber driver and I was like, you heard about the pyramid scans.

He was like, yeah, yeah. But like none of it's been like done before and none of it's been peer reviewed, right? And I was like, no, that's not right. So in 2022, they actually did a geyser, the Great Pyramid of Geese scans. And they found hidden chambers beneath the Great Pyramid, which they then were peer reviewed and accepted and it's fully just like a validated thing. Now, granted, they weren't saying that there were huge structures underneath, but that's because they were tuning the technology to specifically look at a localized area of the pyramid. And that's when they found these hidden chambers at that time, 2022.

But they've also done experiments in Italy at the Grand Saso Laboratory, which is 1.4 kilometers inside a mountain. And they mapped it out. They mapped it out. They managed to find the centrifuge and the areas that they were focusing on. And they've produced tomography scans showing the subterranean infrastructure of the Grand Saso laboratory. And they've also done the Mosel Dam in Iraq and they use it for structural integrity for bridges. Professor Felipeo Bionde, who's the synthetic aperture radar expert on the team, works for the Italian government, serious guy.

Real fun. Like such a nice dude. And I've had like the pleasure of because I put out that video, which was only like eight minutes long just kind of saying, hey, guys, like there's his team and they're doing this. Kind of blew up. Joe Rogan played it. So I got connected to the team quite quickly because they saw my viral video on it.

And yeah, I was out in Malta with them a few days ago, actually, before the Carolina conference and for their first international conference where Felipe Biondi was presenting in a lot more detail, the scans, the science behind it. Granted, some people struggle with the dialect. I think in the UK, it's a little easier for us because we're used to European dialects like Italian and French and German. And the Americans seem to struggle a bit more because they have got quite a thick accent. And they are trying their best, but they're speaking English, which isn't their first language. language, but it's very interesting because what they're doing is they're not scanning two kilometers into the earth, five kilometers into the earth, like, you know, they're not penetrating using radar in that way because that's impossible. That's what a lot of the mainstream

critiques were doing, including some people that I just think, why did you not do your homework? Like Flint Dibble, like this archaeologist in this world, right? Like he's just like, they've never tested it. It's never been done. It's like wrong, wrong, wrong. Like they have, if you actually just spent 10 minutes trying to find it instead of having a knee jerk reaction because it's going against your model. And that seems to be. such the case with mainstream archaeology, mainstream history and sciences, if it goes against the model,

there's a knee-jerk reaction, and they didn't actually do the homework. So, like, yeah, like... So we have detected other underground things using Sardoppler tomography. This is a thing that we can do. Well, it's a thing, but this is certainly a thing

within a niche community. And Bionde, Filippo Bionde seems to be the one that's really specialized in that. So it's not like a general accepted mode. It's like a novel sensor fusion. But I even... It's funny. I even watch Sabina Hossenfelders' like video on this. She's a, you know, kind of a mainstream physicist. Yeah.

Critical of string theory and stuff. Yeah. But like pretty conventional and like well regarded. And she was like, you can, you know, map magma chambers and volcanoes using Sardopler tomography. And then she, like you said, said that they took liberties obviously on the reconstruction, you know, this sort of energy grid that it seems to be mapped out. That might be a bit of a stretch. I don't know. I think it's interesting that. It doesn't sit in a vacuum because you've got historical reference to labyrinthian passageways beneath the plateau and entranceways into the halls of records. Like there are old going all the way back to ancient Greece and further of like, you know, statements from people who went to Egypt and wrote about like being taken into these corridors. And then early like 1800s explorers who said the same kind of a thing.

And then like I was saying to you before, even Zahiyahuas before about 1993 was saying the same thing. Yeah. So like, you know, there is definitely a pattern to be connected in relation to like subterranean infrastructure. And we find that across Egypt anyway, regardless of the plateau. Like there's a lot of different places that are subterranean and seem to be of a different stonework, of a different kind of method to what we then see of dynastic Egyptian temples. Yeah. Same with the pyramids as well, actually, because one of the biggest signifiers of that is the fact that there's absolutely zero hieroglyphs in the pyramids. There's not one other than the cartouche that's written in red ochre that we attribute to Kufu.

which, by the way, if you look into the images of that red ochre cartouche that's been drawn on and compare it to some other red ochre marks that were found inside the pyramid, it's so obvious that this is basically just drawn on with lipstick. It's fresh. It's got like flaking from the ochre on it, but the older stuff, it's like the ochre's gone. It's just ionized onto the rock. So it's like a shadow imprint of this very light red ochre. This stuff is like literally like someone got lipstick.

And that's the only thing that we attribute to Kufu for the Great Pyramid. This is like this 1800s explorer. I forgot his name like Voss or Vass something. And he was hired by the British Museum. He was running out of funding. He was running out of time. Lo and behold, he suddenly finds the signatures of Kufu written in very suspicious ochre.

So other than that, there's no hieroglyphs in the pyramids. Now I've been to like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens where they've got these tombs and they've got these entranceways. And it is literally, you can't even find a square inch, which isn't covered in motifs and symbols and gods. calligraphy, go into the pyramids and it's just blank. There's literally nothing inside the

pyramids other than precision engineering and the studies of acoustic signatures in the King's Chamber which show that it was acoustically engineered. Yeah. And then like, you know, do you think there's some sort of, because you've covered this in other contexts too in Malta and other places, do you think there's some sort of ancient acoustic-based technology? Yeah, this is one of the things that interest me the most. And like we call it archaeoacoustics. And there's also a term psychoacoustic architecture, the idea that some of this architecture is deliberately designed to produce harmonics that then influence the brain. And one second, my brother, let me just get off this tangent.

And then so a really interesting... A really interesting element of like the acoustics. You just mentioned Malta. Yes. So I got back from Malta recently. There's a temple in Malta, this subterranean temple. Yes. Carved directly out of the limestone.

They dated back to the Neolithic Stone Age period. but that's just because they can't date it back any further with conventional narratives, right? Yeah. And this place is precision tuned to 111 hertz. Like they've done enough studies in there to show that this place called the Oracle Room. Yeah.

Resonates at 111 hertz. It's this like incredible overlapping architecture, like these kind of like multiple layers of like concaves and entranceways. And inside the Maltese subterranean chamber of the Hypergium, they actually found elongated skulls, one of them's on display. in the Valletta Museum. Wow.

And the interesting thing about these skulls in particular, unlike some of the ones in Peru where you've got evidence of head binding, is that this skull actually lacks the sagittal suture, which is the vertical crack that goes all the way down their head. When the two pre-tile bones are pushed together, when we go through the birth canal and infuses the skull together. Yeah. So we have one going across here and then one going all the way down the skull. That one doesn't have it.

Doesn't have it. So that's like an, and it's an adult skull. It's not an infant skull. So this thing was walking, talking, and acting around without a critical, component of our bone structure. What do you make of that? Well, I mean, like there's one in Valletta, but the story goes, and it's even written in the museum, and you hear it from the Maltese locals that they found fucking hundreds

of these skulls, hundreds of these skulls. Then the guy who finds it mysteriously dies, someone from like some Smithsonian Institute takes over, all those skulls vanish away. What does that person look like in their time? Exactly. Like, you know, we don't know. Like, you know, there's recreations of it that kind of look like an alien gray. Like, you know, it's like they don't really know how.

look, but it's elongated enough to be significantly different to a human being. And then like the Maltese legends in that area are that there were giants once on these islands and that they helped build these temples. Because what's crazy about Malta other than the fact that it's the, it's got the largest concentration of megalithic stone building sites in the world. Like they're like so many there. But when the Bronze Age settlers from Italy and Sicily went over to Malta for the first time, they were already there. No people. Just temples everywhere. And so. we don't know who were the original builders of these temples, but it goes back to your question about acoustics. Like there's so much acoustic knowledge that seems to be incorporated into

megalithic, neolithic, stone age, stone building cultures. And that is not something that you can just arrive at naturally. We're not talking about the creation of a flute. We're talking about multi-ton geometric alignment, not just with solstice and equinox and all that incredible stuff, but also acoustically resonant in a way that when chanting or any sort of like mantra, is performed in these sites, seems to excite the brain in certain ways, bringing it into alpha state, bringing it into meditative states. Is that true? Oh, absolutely.

And how do we, how have we tested? So we've tested, like, things like Stonehenge and, again, the hypergium for the acoustic wavelength that's propagated naturally through it when we chant, when we hum, when we drum, and 111 hertz is what they find in the hypergeum. There's, like, quite a few studies actually done on this where they've concluded. And then what they're doing like... And then, so, like, you look at binaural tones and the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and the stuff that we're at a fledgling level.

This is what's so impressive is a way seem we seem to be at a very, um, fledgling level of understanding the acoustic effects on the brain. And these people seem to have been fucking masters of it. Like we'll like play like an instrument now. And then what will do some like EG scan of the brain or something while we're doing that in this hypogium structure? They've done a series of acoustic test, not only just to test a bandwidth of it, which comes out 111 hertz, but then like actually modulate like, like,

scanning the brains and seeing how people react inside these kind of a chamber. But also, like, you know, you put some headphones on and listen to your favorite music. You can laugh, you can cry, you can want to work out, want to fight someone. Like, it changes your emotion. So we know that acoustics has a profound impact on our perception, our emotions. And yeah, the fact that some of these places seem to have been tuned to hurts ranges that excite the brain and change the brainwave state into theta and alpha. I would say that there is an ancient science of like conscious indesionable.

reduction like consciousnessly acoustically induced sorry conscious expansion and then you see these elongated heads you start wondering you know see elongated heads you see astronomical alignment with a lot of this megalithic architecture that seems just very odd if not intentional like it probably was intentional once you get a pattern around the world of different sites that have the same kind of a tuning like new grange and island malta the pyramids of geese like all of them have i mean the pyramids are an incredible example it's a perfect scale i can't actually remember what the scale is, but a lot of these places, like, there'll be an error of margin of, like, the actual kind of Hertz range. The pyramids are perfectly scaled as you kind of rise up through the grand gallery into the King's Chamber, the acoustic, the acoustics that have been picked up are like the perfect number. It's like no margin of error.

So it's like this incredibly tuned building. So fascinating. And it's funny when you hear Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock or, you know. I was hanging out of him. I love. How cool is he? He's the best. He's a best.

He's a cool dude. like Hagrid or something. Yeah, he is. He's like a personal alternative history, Hagrid. He's awesome. And like he'll say stuff, you know, about like possible, you know, ancient acoustic technology and you laugh it off. And then you realize that there, you've talked about this. There's a field called cymatics. Yeah. Where you put sand on vibrational plates. You know that there's a real effect there. We know that electromagnetic fields affect the body via, you know, cellular communication occurs via, you know, voltage gated ion channels, which get affected by local EMF. So I was doing an interview of a guy called David Elkington recently

who's like a... He would call himself a recovering academic because he came from that world and is now seeing things in a different set of eyes and he's really interested in the acoustics of the ancients and I'm going to have some images of this

in my podcast because he actually did some experiments alongside some other scientists in the King's Chamber where they stretched a membrane over the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber like a cladney plate,

like a cymatic plate and they put Egyptian sand on the plate and they sent vibration frequencies that match the frequency of the King's Chamber through it, and it turned into the Eye of Horace. Whoa. Yeah.

And I've seen photos of it where it literally is pretty much on point with the Eye of Horace, which would suggest what, that the King's Chamber was tuned to an acoustic, the cymatic of which is a representation of part of their own language. Well, you see, what does that say? The level of sophistication well beyond. I mean, you see, like, you know, go to Chichenica and you, like, will clap and hear this bizarre noise or like, you know, during the equinox, you know, you get a snake running down the steps. And it's like, we can't barely do that stuff now.

And what did Tesla say about frequency and vibration that this is the key? Totally. This is the key to the universe to understanding it. And I think that there's a real truth to that. And whatever these people in the prehistoric time were doing, they seem to have a very advanced knowledge of how to attain transcendental states through acoustics. And like you said, with the cymatics and the geometry, it is fascinating that when you vibrate these sands on these plates and you get these geometries that are.

essentially the visual signature of the sound you're hearing, you will then find them in pretty much every religion, monotheistic or otherwise, represented in the geometry of the cathedrals, in the paintings, in the motifs. Once you understand and look at and recognize cymatic geometry and what it is, you go into these places with new eyes, man. You're staring around and you're just like, well, there we go. There's a clear pattern that is a harmonic signature and it's written on the wall. And so it would seem, and also what's one of the most prominent things inside of churches, It's not actually the crucifix. It's the pipe organ.

The pipe organ is the most prominent thing. I think that these places were deliberately designed and like the Gothic cathedrals are a fantastic example of potentially reaching an apex point with this. You know, this lineage of acoustic knowledge that seems to stretch all the way back into prehistory. Yeah. Well, even the Freemasons would say like the brothers of the serpent from Egypt

or there's some like connection. They have their hand in building the Gothic temples. Building the Gothic temples, yeah. And these things are not just geometrically incredible when you look at them, but they are also acoustically. profound and like, you know, meant to be these spaces for induction into the mysteries via sound. Speaking of acoustics, you've talked to Stuart Hammeroff and physiologist who's also fascinating.

Fascinating guy. I worked with Roger Penrose Nobel Prize winning physicist who dares to broach the question in physics, how do we see kind of macroscopic reality when it's sort of supposed to be quantum and probabilistic? And I think they present a very bold theory that might be right. I don't know. But it deals with this sort of, I think maybe the most underrated part. of it is that there could be some geometric component because there are pyramidal structures in the tubulin and the microtubules, right? Yeah. Those maintain coherence.

Yeah, as above so below. Right. You wonder maybe if like you're in one of these sort of mega structure. Does that somehow affect, does it, does it, if these things are maintaining coherence for a certain amount of time while space time superposition is building up to the one Graviton limit, does that increase the amount of time? so that you're staying in a coherent state and then your perception presumably would be very altered. I think that might play a role. I think that might play a role. And like, you know, this is again,

it's such an interesting thing when you look at like the bleeding edge of mainstream physics and quantum theory. And they're only just getting to a point that seems to have been represented in the ancient past. Now, I'm not going to say that they were quantum physicists, but they might have got it from intuitive processes or maybe older knowledge. But it's clearly represented in things like the pyramids and the hypergeum, this kind of acoustic technology. And then like you say, when we get into what that really does on the quantum level, on the level of microtubules and neurons, it changes us. It changes our perception.

And maybe like you say, this is an elongation of the process, kind of like drawing the process out even longer through sitting in these acoustic resonance complexes. But the pyramids are a weird one because there is a lot of different ideas and theories about what they could have been. And multiple make sense. So it's almost like we're looking at a multivariate. technology. It could do quite a few different things. The really interesting guy that I bumped into a Malta and I'm going to actually go out and meet

him in Cairo when I go out there next month because he lives out in Cairo with his girlfriend. He's American, but he's lived out there for a while. His name's Jeffrey. I can't remember his second name, but he's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Kemp. You might have heard of it. No, I've never heard of it. Have you heard of it? Yeah, yeah.

It's really interesting. His theory on how these were essentially giant chemical plants. Because Egypt was originally called Kemet. And that's where we get chemistry for. from an alchemy. Like, yeah, like the buildup from that comes to alchemy and chemistry and like, you know, Hermes, Trismogistice and all these like, you know, alchemical type of minds. And it's really interesting when you kind of understand that these things were situated around

a waterbed at one point. The Nile River was right next to them. Right. And then if we invoke these strange spiraling structures that they seem to have found, it could almost be drawing water up and producing an oasis, right, that these things might have actually been agricultural nodes that promoted fertility in the local area. And it's really interesting. I mean, his idea about it because it even extends to like the dolmens and the

hinges that we find all over the world, they're all made out of like piezoelectric materials, rose courts, like something high quartz concentration. And what his theory was, and I'll murder it because I don't know it properly, but it is really interesting, was that these are conduits for lightning. And the lightning would excite the piezoelectric materials. and this would in turn cause Natron, I think it's called, to be infused into the ground, which promotes fertility and growth. Right, right.

It's like a terraforming technology. Like a type one civilization of a different order using holistic technology from the earth, right? It's so trippy, but that would so explain, I mean, I don't know, but it's like the wise courts being taken from the Aswan River Valley 500 miles away. Yeah, in the form of 50 to 70 ton blocks, which is just insane. And one of the things I brought up in my presentation, which is not necessarily about that kind of technology or lightning strikes or anything, but just about multi-ton stone lifting. There's a place in Lebanon called Balbeck, interesting place, named after Bale, the Stormlord, Baal, you know, and is the Balbeck Lord of the Becker Valley. Which, funnily enough, if you read the book of Enoch, the watchers, right, the weird beings came down on Mount Heron in Lebanon.

So this is like this weird ground zero point for the ancient stories of these fucking wherever these beings were. right but Balbeck in Lebanon is a quarry site where you've got three megalithic blocks that weigh one of them is like 1,200 tons and it goes up to 1,800 tons absolutely insane megalithic blocks made of limestone they never left the quarry but 500 meters up the road give or take you've got this place called the temple of jupiter which we attribute to first century romans a lot of the temple was built by first century romans it's obvious but the foundations and some of the upper tiers of the foundations, right? There's a series of stones called the Trilithon stones, which are raised about 30 feet above the foundation blocks and placed with precision. They weigh conservative range 800 tons each,

coming up to about 1,000 tons. The Romans bragged about their heaviest lift, which was the Lateran obelisk, which sits in Rome, taken from Alexandria to Rome, weighs about 350 to 400 tons. So even at a conservative estimate, these Balbeck stones are double the weight of what the Romans claimed to be the heaviest lift. They never spoke about Balbeck. They never spoke about lifting these stones. But mainstream archaeologists will attribute it to the first century Romans because they found the foundation and they built their Roman temple above it.

So they look at it, go Roman temple, it's all Roman. What about those 800 ton stones that were impossible for them to lift with wooden pulleys? No, Roman, shut up. 800. Yeah, 800. And that's conservative. They could be up to 1K. Wow.

And to give you some, like, you know, perspective on that, you'd need like one of the biggest cranes in the world, like I think it's called like the Libre 1-7,000 or something, to actually lift. that with precision and place it, and we believe that they did it with wooden pullies and ropes. It's ridiculous and crazy. So like there are so many places around the world where it seems ancient foundations, Peru as well. Peru is like smoking gun of ancient history and contrasting between what we attribute to the Inca and what is so clearly megalithic multi-ton precision from a time long before them.

Totally. And even they will say that, like the indigenous oral traditions of the Peruvian shamans will say that they found Saxo-Women. You look at the NASCAR lines. The NASCAR lines. There are no roads leading up to the lines. No, sir. No.

So you'd be like excavating all this earth, but you don't know how or for what. For what? And then from the highest vantage point locally, the lines don't make any sense. You have to be at least like, I think, 150 meters. Totally an aerial. And an aerial, yeah, for it to make any sort of comprehensive sense. It makes no sense. It literally, like, doesn't make sense unless you're from aerial perspective.

So I was going to ask you actually on the. Malta thing, if you have these sort of beings with the elongated skull. I was just down in Peru. Oh, I'm so jealous. How don't be there for? Two days. Don't be jealous. Don't be jealous.

Don't be jealous because it was, I was in and out. I got sick. Oh, yeah. But there are these, there's three fingered, three-toed beings, the tridactal beings or whatever. And they apparently, according to these forensic experts, don't appear to have undergone the sort traditional headbinding rituals that you'd expect. Right. And some of them apparently have like metal inside them.

They have op-oombs. Osmium and cadmium inside of them, which are rear-earth metals that were found in the 18th and 19th century. So super strange. You know what's weird about that as well? It's I kind of feel like there was an intelligence sci-op done on that very early on because Jaime Musan showing those kind of ones that were absolutely fake, like the ones that were literally just like bone and plastic.

I'm not even a... Oh, yeah. No, there was one that was. was like proven to just be bullshit. But that's not how that was Flavio Estrada. Oh my I apologize Jaime Ma's son for a trip eating that to you. Well because well this is it is important because Jaime's gotten so much flack and I'm sure he has gotten behind BS you know, hoax in the past but I spent some time with the guy and like

he's just a cool he's like he's he's he looks at the fact pattern and he's he's extremely open about scientists coming down like taking a he spent a ton of his own money to like protect this stuff. and he's very like boldly stated in a way where like he gets stuff wrong but he's like it's real you know like that's yeah but he i got no like weird what i meant by that is like early on before the tridactals before these very impressive large one were really discovered there was that little one so that so in 2023 so heme rolled out the j type which is not my highest conviction body type for being real there's an m type those are like the more hominid ones the j types look

more like the kind of close encounter to the third kind thing, but they also look reptilian. The bodies look a little. Yeah. They look fake. And so I wouldn't have rolled out one of those. These ones don't look fake. These ones don't look fake at all. And so he rolled that out.

But what you might be referencing is then at the airport, there's this guy named Manuel Casares, who's a local journalist, who made merchandise as a knockoff of that. That might be where I'm getting my wires crossed. And everybody got their wires crossed because then Reuters picked that up. And this guy, Flavio Estrada, this official archaeologist from the Ministry of Culture, that's similar to Ayahuas, man. It's the same shit. They were like, this is fake because of this like wood, glue, you know, these things stuck together, which are obviously. Obviously.

And I interview this guy and he's like, this was art. This was not the real thing. And he's like yelling and stuff. I repeat, that one is fake. It's craftsmanship. Constructed, built. So what I find interesting is when you were describing your Maltese, the heads. That sounded so similar to honestly.

Honestly, what I saw, I was like that maybe there were some beings or whatever. I mean, I don't discount it, man. I really don't because there's so many references in different cultures and countries to, you know, the times of giants. And it's like, I love that in Genesis. Like, not that I've really read the Bible, but I love that in Genesis where it's just like, there were giants in those times and in the times before that. Great mighty men of renown. Yeah. Anyway, moving on.

It's like, oh, I want to know a bit more about the giants, please. But, you know, they don't really tell you much about it. I think that there's a level of truth to at least some sort of interface with something that, if not giant in stature, giant in intellect, right? I mean, you go down to like the Dendara temples in Egypt where you've got the light bulb, you know, the kind of the classic light bulb. I don't know. Oh, it's incredible.

Like, you know, people call it a light bulb or a crooks tube because it's like this big Atlantean style like pharaoh. And the only reason you can say he's a big pharaoh is because you've got depictions of very little people below, like kind of praying and like in reverence of him. And he's holding. you know this right Kurt, he's holding this giant kind of like bowled out, you must, it's such a fame

maybe, I don't know, but it's like this big light bulb almost with a snake running through it and there's even like a cord that's coming back through it and then running along the wall into like a box that's just like etched into it right it's a very interesting iconography

of and it's not repeated around Egypt this is just in this subterranean element of the Dendara Temple I've got footage so I can send it to you place it in or whatever like that Do it. But, you know, this whole idea of like intellectual giants, you know, like people who were just so superior to us. And, you know, you think of like Gobeckli Tepe in Turkey where we attributed that area to just hunter-gatherers, then lo and behold, this, you know, incredible ancient, the oldest megalithic temple site pops up out of the ground. And the mainstream will just say, oh, I guess the hunter-gatherers did that.

It's like, well, that makes absolutely no fucking sense. Because they did they get out of their dea-hide tents one day and just start erecting multi-ton stone with astronomy alignment? A sundial. It's like a sundial. And it was purposely buried. Right. Intentionally buried. So I get the sense that maybe they were like, you know, kind of like survivors of that

pre-time. Like this cataclysm that I think clearly did take place. There was pockets of survivors who went and where would you go? You'd go to the hunter gatherers, right? You'd go to the ones who knew how to live because you're just a fucking idiot. You're an intellectual. You've been preaching in Atlantis for all your life. You're not someone who could like, you know what iconoclasm is?

Right, right, right. Yeah, exactly. Go Bechle-Tepi be iconoclass. It could be. Yeah, I think it could. Exactly. But it's interesting how, you know, this place is buried over. And it just makes me wonder about like, you know, the hunter gatherers of that era.

And maybe they were like, you know what? We don't want you doing this again. Look what you brought down upon this world by inciting the wrath of gods. You tried to be the gods. So they were like, they were like, they were like let out on like. They fucking murdered these people and buried their sight. That's so. No, no, no, no.

We're not doing this again. I wonder about that. this idea of like instead of literal giants, giants of intellect, for sure I think was the thing. Well, I stood on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, right? Well, I find this, the time we're in so exciting because I was just actually in the context of looking into these Peruvian mummies. I was looking up how many, like, how fast these discoveries are occurring. And so I was, I was doing this kind of calculation about, like, how much older has our civilization just gotten in the last 70 years? And, like, all these megalithic sites, a lot of them are like the last 70 to 100 years that we,

I mean, archaeology as a field is only 200 years old. Exactly. So it's almost, you should, we should come up with some law where it's like the older the civilization's going to get older, right? Like sophisticated civilization. It's not like the Mesopotamia cradle of civilization thing is bullshit. Yes. And then similarly, I was looking up hominids and like we have 21 to 30 depending on like how

you, you know, categorize a hominid. overall that have ever walked the earth. Guess how many of those have been discovered in the last 10 years? Oh, go on. Five as your base case, and then depending on how, again, strict you are with peer review

and that sort of thing, 10 at the highest. That's crazy. A lot of them out there still that we haven't managed to categorize. So many. So I look at this thing in Peru and I'm like, I feel like, you know,

I talked about this with Rogan a bunch and I'm like, was I... You crushed it, by the way. You crushed it. Thanks, man. I almost, that's the hot seat of all hot seas. You did a great job. I was fucking nervous to say.

Yeah, I bet you were. I bet you were. I was fucking so nervous. Like when this came up, I almost, my self critique is like I was too conservative. Like I, I, gunned my head, man. I think we found a new hominid creature. And we're going to DNA test it very soon. We're going to do another DNA test.

You found it in Peru? Yeah, so it's in Peru. And not because of me, but Jaime and my other friend is making his epic document. This guy Michael Mazola Right. Oh yeah, yeah. This is not a hoax.

Good dude. Yeah. He's going to, uh, uh, he's DNA testing it with these like independent aerospace contractors. Right. And they're going to do some double blind stuff. So there's no cheating a lot. So I love.

And that's why when people like, you know, come at Jaime, the fact that Jaime is down to do this in a way that it could totally falsify, you know, everything. You know, everything is fucking awesome. And so I'm so pumped for this to just, you know, it's, I think the definition of a, of a grifter is someone who wants to keep something in a liminal space. Absolutely. I want it to collapse into true or false. And let's see it.

I want these things to be proven. That's why I'm in it. I want it to be evidenced, you know? And I also think it's a BS excuse. Like there's so many things to cover and there's so many anomalies in the world. You're never going to run out of mysteries to talk about. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Let's try and prove some mysteries. Let's do that. Yeah. There's so many. There's a backlog. You know what I mean? But you know,

one thing. Do you want to hear my weird idea about the grays? Yeah. Let's hear. Like, I don't know if this would explain everything in relation to the grays, but I find it very interesting that there's a lot of Aboriginal stories from around the world that seem to be applicable to the grays. And you see some cave art in places like Australia and even the Native Americans where you've got these large eyes, these large heads and this depiction of them. And there's certain tribes like the Hopi tribe, you've got the Ant people and like these different stories where they would come up from the ground and they would assist people during times of great trouble and strife and geological trauma and famine.

and they would teach them, right? And then you look at, there was a fascinating podcast that went out a few years ago where these two guys got some Amazonian tribesmen on the show. And they were straight up from the Amazon basin. They only spoke their own language. They needed an interpreter. They were in the headdress. They were fully, you know, of that culture.

And they asked them if they had any thoughts on aliens. They didn't know what they meant by alien. They were like, I'm sorry, can you explain that better? And so they got a magazine out and they were flipping through. They found an alien gray. and they showed this alien gray and the Amazonian tribe and went that's Makunwabu

that's Makunwabu and then they went into this whole thing about how Makknoabu is a human that became an ant and it lives underground and it can appear in the divine light of Mishapan or whatever it was which is their version

of the holy light of something right and it's a very dangerous creature and it will take your soul underground and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back and they were taking it very seriously this other tribe and was going yes yes yes Makonwabu you need very careful

with that. And so my idea about this is that maybe, maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time and a bit like the mycelial network. It went for the subterranean route. It didn't get affected by the surface traumas that happened to us. It didn't get reset by great fires and floods because they were deep into the ground. And if that's true, you have all these indigenous stories of beings coming from the underworld and assisting them. Big eyes, translucent gray skin, no sunlight, large eyes to adapt underground, then you hear like the inner earth stories and also coming out of our oceans, right? You know, these UFOs. What if, just what if there is another and the missing subcategories of humans like you just mentioned, right? And in Peru,

you've got a tunnel. So what if, just as an idea, there was a species that decided to opt in for subterranean living and has essentially been undisturbed since the beginning. And they are really, really, really advanced. And that's what we think of the greatest. So this, this, this fascinating. Just an idea. Could be, could. Who knows? Throwing it out there? Well, yeah, why not? And when they are, they're very similar to us.

And in Calke, which is the local dialect of where these you know, in NASCAR and Peru, where these mummies were found. Yeah. The local region translates to laboratory for insemination and hybridization. What? Yes.

Yes. What? Yes. In the actual language? Yes. And you can see this. There's a book from 2006 where that shows this or whatever. Blow my mind. Nuts. Nuts. So a part of me wonders, yeah.

I mean, maybe there is some sort of guided, you know, like maybe evolution is a locally functional theory via Darwin, but maybe there are, you know, some artificial interference of that. Yeah. Well, I think what would happen to us if we opted for underground subterranean dark living, you know, your eyes, your skin, it's all going to change dramatically. And yeah, I just wonder because obviously they seem so hyper advanced to whoever the grays are. you know, either being in flying sources or literally just appearing in your bedroom at night or

apparently helping tribes. Yeah. They seem to have a vested interest in us for some reason. Some would say it's experimentation. Others might say that they're actually, you know, caring for us in some way. But yeah, the idea that this could actually be, like you say, one of those missing subsections of the human lineage. And they've just gone for that underground living and they interface with us selectively.

Have you read this book called The Coming Race? Oh, yeah. Edward Bull Will Litton. Yeah. The favorite of every neo-nomer. Nazi, right? Because whenever I put that out there, people are like, why are you promoting this Nazi material? Because Hitler was into it or something? Yeah, well, hit, you know, and this is what got Graham Hancock in trouble is when he went out and was talking about Atlantis, suddenly you had Rolling Stones and, you know, the independent thing is a racist, right-wing propaganda. Graham Hancock's the most like boomer liberal.

Dude, he's got a multicultural family for the love of God. Yeah, Santa, his wife's like, you know, dark-skinned and like he's been called this racist piece of shit by the media. And at the end of all of his speeches, he goes, we need no nations. And we're like, what do you do? You're racist? Like, God. But like, you know, it's interesting. Yeah, the Nazis were obsessed with Atlantis, like the top tier of the SS and like certain elements of the SS believed that the Germanic race was a seed race that came from these like Limeria and Atlantis.

And they had a term for the hyperboreans or something like that. And they would go all over. This is what's so crazy for a lot of people. It's like they see Indiana Jones. They just think that's a film. That was a straight up documentary. No, Henry Kimler was looking for the Ark of the Cuff. They were going through Peru and Nepal and Tibet as photos of them with like, you know, these like high llamas and they're like swastikas in the background.

It's like, no, they were legitimately interested in doing that kind of stuff. And the issue that you run into these days is if you try and invoke Atlantis or you try and invoke Liberia and you try and talk about that, the mainstream will say, well, you're just promoting racist, right-wing ideology. This is the talking points of the Nazis. It's like, well, only because they found out about this stuff, you're right in context, man. Like, don't lump in the idea of Atlantic. with neo-Nazis and the ideology of that era, like doesn't make any sense. They just picked up on it and became interested.

But it's used as a way to attack. And that's what happened with Graham, very noticeably. Yeah. No, there are always ways to bucket in. I mean, Nietzsche or whatever was not necessarily a Nazi. It was like a sister that got in with the Nazis. It's like, it's just crazy. Yeah.

It's just mushy brain thinking in ways to scapegoat people ad hominem. What do you think about anti-gravity research and how far they got ahead? Because that's one of the big lines of law is like, oh, it's German tech. It's German tech. Dude, I don't know. But I find myself, the Silla and Carybdis for me are like the people that say there's nothing. Because, dude, I'm so high conviction in the Townsend Brown stuff. And a lot of the, you know, Kamlerstab was totally real.

And I think they were doing some really trippy shit. Right. I don't know exactly, I know way more fundamentally about what Brown was actually doing versus the Kamlerstab people. There's a lot of reason to believe I think Kamlerstab. was doing frontier interesting stuff that got, and that was part of the impetus for paperclip and why we needed it so badly and that the Habermal side made it to Russia, but we, you know, needed to get a lot of it. And we now even have Air Force documents knowing that we, Hans Kamler was apprehended by the Americans. So I think there's something real there. And then Townsend

Brown himself parachuted, uh, uh, behind enemy lines into Nazi Germany. And there's a, there's a telegram from William Stevenson, who I mentioned earlier. Yeah. You know, inspiration for James Bond to Josephine, who's Townsend Brown's wife, saying that, you know, your husband is safe, but he's been injured, and there's a photo of him in Catalina who's recovering. Wow. Yeah, so I think there's some weird connections there for sure. And then the Silla and Carbdis is the people who are like, there's nothing here where they're posturing around it, you know, even, I love Eric Weinstein, but even him is like, it's always

like hedging where it's like, you know, there's a lot of, you know, disinfo in the space and like, but like look first principles at the brown stuff. Like there is something there. So there's like this side where I like have to argue that there's something real here. And then there's like the Ashton Forbes side where like again, nothing against him and like I'm down to have him on my show like whatever. But like he is so sure that we have like teleportation tech in, you know, deep black circles. And I'm like, dude, where are you getting this? Yeah.

Why? How can you know? Me and him bobbed heads quite a few times online. And then he was at the conference. I was at a couple days ago as a first time I met him. Yeah. Yeah, we shook hands and became friends in that sense. I don't agree with him and I think MH370's fake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I basically feel the same way. And I'm still happy to talk to the guy. But like, so I feel like those are the two, the two failure. But the brown stuff, I'm pretty sure is real. Yes. I'm pretty sure it was classified.

And then to me, it's just a black box as to where that, what happened next. And we were talking earlier about the disclosure stuff. that felt like I'll fucking talk to anybody. I don't care who they are. You know, what their past is or whatever. The brown stuff for me popped. It was like the most orthogonal to like all of the like shit getting like quote

unquote like, you know, steam. Totally. Yeah. Like it was like this came out of left field. So like I know that shit's fucking real. It wasn't like somebody came out and was doing like the circuit of interviews. Yeah.

Like saying something. No, there's a trail of receipts for that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So I'm really high conviction in that. And then beyond that, man, I don't fucking know. And it frustrates me and I wish we could make progress.

I don't know. What do you think? No, I'm in agreement with you. I find it fascinating. Like, where do these stories come from? Like, you know, the idea of like the Vril discs and, you know, like the Nazi bell. And, you know, what's the origin point for this? Is it disinformation?

Is it a smokescreen from Western intelligence? You know, during paper clip and like, right, let's say this stuff. And we'll do this stuff over here. Look at the right hand while the left hand's doing something else. You know what I mean? Like, I think that there is a hell of a lot of, kind of smoke screening. involved in some of these rich laws within UFOology because it's about trying to protect the technology and keep it away from people. So distraction techniques that will send someone off on a

paper trail that leads nowhere. Yes. Totally. And I do, I wonder if, you know, if you believe, I believe in non-human intelligence. I think that that is totally real. I've seen enough with my own eyes, man. Totally. I've had an orbs hover over my house. There you go. So that's a firsthand experience that you have to try. And I am somewhat sympathetic to the three body problems. narrative in that like I think science is much weirder than meets the eye and it pattern matches to revelation when

these scientists have their discoveries. So I wonder if they have their own counterintel for some of this science. Possibly right? And it's disseminated in this slow drip and it's not maybe the Philip Corso clean narrative where it's like just based on metamaterials

that reverse engineering. It's more like mental like you get a download for a thing and then it gets like Where did that come from? Exactly. Yeah, I find that interesting. It's not just us that might be doing the op. It might be something else to do it in the off.

Well, it's funny. Eric Davis, you know, went in front of Congress or whatever. And, like, the whole thing was kind of this weird dog and pony show. I think Congress is like sort of really dumb on a lot of this stuff. But my favorite line from his, and I have disagreements with him, all on the Brown stuff. But like, my favorite statement of him was he goes the NHI are controlling disclosure, which I loved. And that's fucking true, man. I don't think, like, that's why I, you know.

Well, do you remember Obama on, uh, Jimmy Kimmel? And it's like, you do it with a smile. But what are you really saying? He's like, the aliens won't let it happen. They, uh, they exercise strict control over us. Wait, wait, well, I have a crazy story about it. Yeah, yeah, it's off time. Yeah, yeah.

Can I say one thing? Yeah. Okay. My crazy, my crazy story on that is I have a friend who I think heard from Eddie Vedder, the Pearl Jam guy. Uh-huh. He was at a campfire with. Obama. Oh, no shit. And like, everybody was kind of wasted or something. And Obama, and he was like,

dude, I got to know, like, what's actually going on? And Obama goes, read the three body problem. No shit. Yes. No shit. Yes. Wow. And Obama's, now his production company is doing a movie on Betty and Barney Hill. And they talked about predictive program. And they did, they did the leave the world behind. Like the grid goes down. Like basically the step by step to destabilize a nation. Like, yeah. Go on, brother. We got. We got for us. The three-body problem. As far as the impossibility of fast and the light, I don't buy, or the dark, the dark forest thing, that's some bullshit from psychopath, serpent-race people.

But the so-fons, remember the so-fons? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the sofans. They were using atoms. Coming into the CERN and messing up up mental physics. They're called so-fons. Is that not the guy who told, what's his name about Atlantis, So-Fon? Oh, I don't know, is it? Yeah, so-fon told.

Oh, no, Solon. Solon. Oh, so-long. Oh, so-lon. But the sofons, the thing, Mark Andreessen, in an interview with Barry Weiss, he said he wanted to work on AI. And they go, no, don't bother. We'll let two or three guys do it and do like, you know, a state capitalist thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he goes, we can classify the math. And he goes, we classified a whole area of physics. I could have a cold war. No problem. Do it again. Yeah, in your school, the three states of matter I learned, water and steam and ice. But plasma, which is the fourth state of matter, we didn't really get into that ever. No, we don't.

And that's where a lot of secrecy lines is. And you did something on Kenneth's shoulder, exotic vacuum object? Yeah, I, well, I mean, like, I can't really claim that I did it. I've had some guests on, like, a pretty mysterious guy called Mr. X. That's right. Yeah, dude. That was back in the day. That was when I was first getting mixed up with Richard Dolan and Mr. X, who just doesn't want to be named.

He's not a government guy. He's just, he's a savant. He really is a savant. He did so much work on EVOs, exotic vacuum objects. And it's, like, self-organizing plasma. And, like, if you want to hear, like, deep, lives into the technicalities of what plasma might be. Like, check out my oldest interviews with Mr. X from like four years back, five years back.

Like, that dude's a fountain of knowledge. But, yeah, like the Sapphire project and things like this that popped up for a bit. Like, you know, we're balling the stars. We're doing it. Bleep gone. Yeah. How Potho got involved with that project for a little bit. He's got his hands and everything.

He's always showing up. Your story about the, first of all, Peru, I didn't know you just want to prove that. Yeah, that's where we get the name, you know, did they sell about it? Amaru at all. Amaru. Their god. Oh, no. Not too much.

The bad America's named after. Oh, wow. Is that true? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Peru? Yeah. Have you been to Peru? No, my good friend is from there. It's on my list, man. I need to go out there.

You gotta go. You guys everyone to check out the mummies. Who used to tell me crazy stuff I got it all the time. I didn't believe him back then because, yeah. I wouldn't believe none of this stuff. I would be like dismissive of all the things that you're saying of like 20 years ago. Yeah. There's nothing.

Were you, you like a normie back in the day? You're two degrees. Really? I can't make them. I was a minister. I used to be a Jew's Witness. I was a minister. Right, right.

I stopped on it was 20. Really? Damn, you were a minister. Yeah, everybody knocks on your door. You get back on the minister. I mean, but I read the Bible quite a lot. What woke you up? What took you out?

Yeah. Of that? Yeah. Oh, pussy. It was just pussy. It wasn't any. But you have to understand. If I believe something and I'm in a cult,

Okay, and I call, the reason I call them a call is because you actually have to do the religion. Right, right. So my definition is different than a lot of people's. I always want to be Catholic because you don't have to do it, you know? Oh, that must be fun. Just say you're sorry when you die. You couldn't have talked me out of it. You couldn't have talked me out of it.

You could show me all the evidence. You don't leave the cult until it don't work for you the way they said it was going to work for you. They tell you it's the answer to everything. All the answers. And then when it don't work, that's when you go out of it. of it, okay? So that's when I left. Now, that thing you said about the underground, the ant people, and I didn't know they said they were sinister. They did that particular tribe did. They were just like, don't fuck with it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's, okay, so this is one

I'm talking about metaphorical overlays, okay? So they're underground. Now, I think the little grays are some type of homunculus. If you ever looked at Greta Thunberg, that's the evolutionary pattern of us. Patient zero right there. Which is a completely astrotorff construct. Why would I care about anything about her because they made that yeah she was grown in like a world economic foreign vats just vegan too old so you know vegan too early is the same difference okay um so they went underground so you know these a i freak like that that uh creep with the hair lip that made bait little sophia oh yeah yeah oh the yeah the yeah the rube went to he went to africa to map kids brains of course he did what yeah and he was a doll you a doll

called Little Sophia, this crazy-ass doll. It was like, to make him think about STEM. Also, Sophia is a Gnostic reference. That's right. For wisdom. Wisdom. Yeah. Wisdom.

And it spies on your underage daughter. It excites her about STEM. It was crazy. Okay? Full speed ahead. All these AI guys goes, oh, yeah, it's going to be terrible when they're, they're, do you watch these tech guys talk? It's insane.

Yeah. They go, yeah, first it's going to suck. Yeah. They've all built underground bunkers you might have. Yeah, they're ready for that shit. Yeah, like the ant people you might have heard from those. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, right.

You see in the commonalities here? Yeah. There's a bunch of rich, high-tech people that are going to transhuman you. You're going to be half an iPhone. Yay! And then it's going to suck, and they're going to go underground when she's floods again. And then they'll come back up and teach the rest of us how to live again. Yeah, like, well, shit, dude.

So look for themes. Yeah, man. The details, I don't believe or not believe. That, I don't know, nothing to do with none. You can lie to me. I want to know a new thing I ain't heard yet that don't make me bored. Would you guys ever get neuralinked? No.

I would never get it. No. I interviewed the guy that got the first one. Oh, yeah. How was that? Yeah, yeah. Arbaugh. Nolan Arbaugh, like something like that.

Because he had a couple that went loose. Whoa. A couple of friends that went loose. He was the first one. The real first one is in 1970. Okay, right. Yeah. Leonard Kyle worked for Polaroid.

He went, he was very jealous of his girlfriend or something. And he went to a therapist to help him with that. And unfortunately, his psychologist was work for the CIA. And they put a chip in his skull without telling him. What? Because Carlos Delgado has a, you have to see the video with a bull, and they can stop its aggression. They can make it not violent.

Carlos Delgado, the CIA great. And, okay, this is wild. They put it in his head, it was a disaster. And the microwaves that are beaming the shit to the head were giving him horrible pain. He's a real smart guy. Yeah. It turns his brain to Joe Biden's soup. She ends up in a booby hatch.

People go to visit him. I'm telling you the truth. He has a metal garbage. can on his head because even though he's crazy he's smart enough to know it blocks what they're doing right right right so wait wait wait for the punchline dude so then they started giving him tin foil instead no shit and that's where we get that's where you get oil hat from the CIA mutilate mutilating an American citizen whoa and it's a big joke now is that funny is that true i just told you it's true three times that's crazy yeah so i like to dress up like a clown and tell people these things

because they can't believe it. Did you like my Hannibal directed shirt that I want? My old band, Google it. Nice. Yeah, so a thing we mock was so immutilated by Intel service, but they're going to tell you the truth about UFOs. I'm sure they will. You were a minister.

Yeah. But could you imagine his fucking, what do you call it? You know, you guys hit, like, three things that I'm like, oh, my God. It was, like, fascinating and, like, hearing this shit. Like, because I know a lot of this shit, too, but. Well, let's go to, we go to dinner, didn't it? Yeah, we'll go to dinner. And I just, like I said, I don't care who anybody likes.

Right. Or what do I give a shit? I just want data. Just give me data. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, data. Yeah, man. However I got to get it. I'm going to find it.

I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but I am. I hate you than that. Yeah. And so there's people are going to, as soon as you, how, who here, raise your hand. If someone from somewhere like DOD or what is it, DID, someone from one on three-letter agencies can maybe met you somewhere like go, hey, I just want to tell you, like you're about 80% right your analysis. Because I've heard someone else.

That's happened to me a bunch of times. I've had it's happened to you. Did you get a nice 80%? The guy said to me. Well, I got told that I was flagged as a Russian disinformation platform by the DOD apparently, but they're still letting me in the country. So you're flagged as Russian dissent-off. According to someone who had, like, contacts in the DOD who said,

Oh yeah, no, we love Project Uny, but we can't actually watch it because it's been flagged as a Russian disinformation platform. I don't know how true that is, but that's what I was related to me. I have a bunch of like Twitter bots calling me Russian disenfell. I'm like, what are you talking? The moment I open my mouth back to Ukraine. I've seen you saying that, dude. I've seen you say that shit. Yeah, no, I mean, like, you know, I think at a certain point when you talk about these kind of subjects and you hit a certain perception and everyone's like, oh, he's this, he's that, he's the other.

I've heard it's the other. I've heard it. Oh, it's all over read it. What you learn is the way this system works. Yeah, dude. A lot of victims, not you're, I'm not calling anybody but perpetrators are victims as well of it. That's how the pyramid system works. A bunch of, the whole reason it's designed is the compartmentalization levels are so that you don't know anything.

So people go, oh, he knows that guy. I know all kinds of rich, famous people. That don't mean, dude, Jack Krause, who I think is very good info, thinks Rogan's a honeytrap. Right. Yeah, Rogan is called controlled opposition. All the time. All the time. None of that.

You know what you're by its fruit. So what are the fruits of what you produced? Does it go nowhere or did I learn from it? That's all I'm looking at. Yeah, man. Well, that's why it's like dark journalist has called me that before. And I'm like, dude, like, you are into the towns and brown stuff. And I went way deeper on the same shit.

Right. Where's the daylight between us? Like, if you can give me substance on like how I'm doing, it's just weird. It's thrown out there pretty, you know, frequently just like. It kind of is, yeah. Everybody does it. And I get it, I get it. But sometimes it's like, sometimes it's true.

And then sometimes it's some keyboard warrior Reddit mushy brain bullshit. Most of the time. Most of the time. Have no ego. You have to dissolve your ego to do this. That's what they teach you in them. But that's another thing. There's just too many people trying to larp as spooks and spies and they want to be, you know, I'm close to the insiders.

I've got information. It's like you are the most easy to fuck. If you realize that, right, that you're so desperate to be involved with these people, they love it. Because they'll just feed you full of bullshit, kick you out into the world and say, go preach. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's so many of them. So many of them.

You've got to be really discerning in this subject. And that's something that I've done as well. I've made mistakes. I've had people on like there was a DARPA dude that I had on. Turned out to not be from DARPA because I got fucking email from DARPA. I got emailed by the security manager of DARPA. He was like, I'm really sorry to email you, but we've just seen your video and this guy has never worked for DARPA.

Who is it? Michael Moran. Yeah. Watch out for that motherfucker. He's a Scientologist, I think. He's just like out there trying to spread his like agenda. But I was actually, I won't say you told me he was DARPA. but it was someone that I actually did trust

and he was in the IC who we've brought up his name on this show and he was like, oh no, you need to get him on. Whoa. And I just didn't do my due diligence, got him on and then, boom, turns out he's full of shit. If you cover this stuff, you're going to swing it some bad pictures. You're going to swing it some bad. I've definitely gotten shit wrong.

The healthiest thing to do as a normal person is just to go, I got got. I'm sorry. I'm not perfect. I got got got. And, you know, so many people refuse to like do that. No, you got stuff wrong. I was being fucked with buddy.

It's like, no, just admit you made a mistake. Yeah. You're doing real work. Yeah. You're gonna get fucked with I-N-Feld. Exactly. I don't care if you're wrong. Yeah.

You could be wrong. Who made up this thing? You can't be wrong like that flip-people dip shit. Exactly, dude. Oh, the Nazis are going to come to this like Atlantis. Remember that shit? Yeah, dude. Like, you know.

That's an obvious op to smear you. You're allowed to make mistakes. Yeah. So I care if you lie to me. Joe Rogan, who's not a scientist, he didn't make a single mistake about COVID. Not one. He was crushing it. He was pretty, he was crushing it.

Okay. So all the people that talk about science to me, I want to know if you got your booster. Yeah, yeah. I want to know if women have dicks or not, okay? We need to establish a baseline sensibility. 100% bro. Tell you women have dicks. Oh, they do?

I guess anything possible. They're all as fucking crazy as each other, but, you know, I get what you're saying. It's just we live in a doggy dog. It's the, it's the system set up. It's how you divide the population and rule that. But that's what I think the judo move is the failure mode on what we're talking about is caring too much about the disinvolve. or the Intel or whatever, where it's like the cool thing is to just be in your like locally good

positive bubble and just search for truth. Yeah. And just do your thing. Well, that's honestly, again, that's why I've stepped a bit away from UFOs and that kind of subject because it's just like full to the brim with intelligence, spies and stokes. And it's like, I find it really refreshing to be looking at ancient history. And not only is there like an actual data trail, but no one's trying to fuck with me in the same level.

No one's going to influence my stuff as much as they were when I was doing UFOs. And I just feel like there's really. good signatures in ancient history to say like the models are wrong. Like there's evidence that the models are wrong. Right. With UFOs, even though I've seen, I've literally got into a meditative state and made requests for something to turn up and had orange orbs float down and hover above my house, which is why I created my YouTube channel in the first place. Yeah. Picked up a camera phone, put it on a tree branch and was like, hey guys, I'm a person. This happened to me. And then suddenly you get thrown into this world of like espionage and spooks and spies and it's exciting. But you come out on

the end of that and you're like, I didn't actually learn anything from these guys. Like, you lost like DJ Abram. Yeah, dude. So like I find it refreshing to step into another subject where it's like there's an anomaly. There's something to look at here. But there's actually some pretty good evidence for it. And then it ties into the Ananaki, the Samarians or the watchers. There's like there's a connection.

Yeah. But this modern stuff just feels like it's been CIA sealed and packaged to send out to us to just kind of like regurgent. There's a lot of that. But push back slightly. Go ahead. Robert Hastings and the nuclear stuff like extremely grounded. patterns of like these guys who if you speak to any of these queue cleared guys they're not they don't have any counterintel background yeah no not all of them not throwing every single one you're

saying i'm not throwing every single one of them under the bus not not all but i just feel like the ufo community and even harold specifically populated with a lot of intelligence influence you're so careful who you trust who you listen to yeah yeah you know no and it's what i don't like about it is it's like uh it's like there it's like there are like channels that are deemed that are seemed like i i i I always, the thing that's made me uncomfortable about this year is I want to off myself as some like, like, I don't want anybody to see me. That's why I have, you know, Kurt on my show. I have no respectability. No, it's beautiful.

It'll give me a healthy thing. Little refreshment. No, which is a pro-fileged. I destroyed your career today. Fantastic. No, no. I think it's, I think, I think, I think it's great because it's like you don't want to be the guy. No, no, you don't want it.

It's the worst position ever. No, you don't. Because then you'll just get shot down the moment you make a mistake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. And that's, it's good to interdispers the seriousness with a bit of fucking levity. Take a heckle because just from going to be on the stage, dude, if you're going to get your feelings hurt, you don't, I'm a clown for a living, so I don't get to have dignity, you know. So what happens online?

And by the way, it's part of the DARPA, we went to all the DARPA bullshit. Right. To get you pulled into a nonsense spinning sanssara endless wheel. That's very much like the cycle of reincarnation. Right, right. And you're in a prison and you got to go back. All these spiritual things. you can, hey, Unified Field Theory is as above so below, I think.

Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Because you can scale this shit up and down and you can see what the picture is. But you got to look at other shit. Dude, I read the Bible a lot and me trying to reconcile all these different things. Then you start to see. And once you know who gets paid for doing what, you could start putting it together. It's not beyond you to put it together. It's not.

100%. On that beautiful now. Damn, how long we've been going for? We've been over a minute. She had an orb experience and she's impatient with this. Okay, okay. Well, guys. Crazy.

Yeah. It's been dope. Jay Anderson, Project Unity. Kurt Metzker. Thanks, brother. Yeah. Dude, good to meet you. Yeah, you too, man.

We'll link up later for a meal or something. Hell yeah. We'll get dinner. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, that was really good. Crazy. Yeah, that was really good.