American Alchemy with Jesse Michels - Navy Scientist Holds Patents for UFO Technology

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Stop leaving yourself vulnerable to data breaches. Go to my sponsor https://aura.com/jessemichels to get a 14-day free trial and see if any of your data has been exposed. Today's American Alchemist is Navy physicist Salvatore Pais. Enjoy! Join our Whop! Exclusive Videos & Community Calls ➤ https://whop.com/americanalchemypremium Become a Member of American Alchemy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuG2KzrIMe3qoNcuDVpwnXw/join Navy scientist Salvatore Pais reveals his patents on UFO-like tech and an exotic spacetime-warping “superforce”. Are we on the brink of harnessing breakthrough propulsion once deemed science fiction? Key points below: 1. Inertial Mass Reduction: Pais describes a “P-effect” using high-frequency fields to decrease an object’s mass. 2. High-Frequency Gravity Waves: Pais links these waves to next-generation propulsion and cautions about their weaponization. 3. Room-Temperature Superconductivity: Pais sees a path to ambient superconductors, a game-changer for energy, transport and civil infrastructure. 4. Reverse-Engineering vs. Human Ingenuity: Pais suggests some UFO-like tech may be human-made dating back to Heaviside’s electromagnetic models in the 1890’s (rather than solely extraterrestrial). 5. Call for Global Unity: Pais envisions a united earth in light of very real non-human presence. 6. Physics at the Breaking Point: Pais believes pushing beyond standard models can open entirely new frontiers in science. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:05 Sal's Background 12:40 Man-Made vs. ET Technology 16:47 New Perspectives on Electrodynamics 19:18 The Path to Exotic Concepts 21:32 High-Frequency Gravitational Wave Exploration 25:16 Understanding the Pais Effect 27:03 Terahertz Frequencies and Quantum Vacuum 32:27 Engineering Challenges in Superconductivity 36:33 Room Temperature Superconductors 38:56 The Pais Effect and Quantum Mechanics 42:07 The Future of Superconductivity 43:58 Building the Next Generation Technology 47:39 Proliferation of Advanced Technologies 49:58 High-Frequency Gravitational Wave Applications 52:34 The Intersection of Science and Security 57:34 The External Threat 59:51 Historical Reset Events 1:01:03 The UFO Phenomenon 1:02:36 The Science of Remote Viewing 1:06:29 Mind-Matter Connection 1:10:40 Torsion and Gravity 1:13:06 Bob Lazar's Insights 1:15:25 Electrodynamics and Exotic Waves 1:20:01 The Legacy of Tesla 1:24:59 Unification as a Solution 1:27:42 Reflections on Human Nature 1:30:15 The Balance of Light and Darkness 1:33:33 Pushing Boundaries in Physics 1:36:41 The Role of Nikola Tesla 1:39:22 Uncovering Historical Mysteries 1:41:30 The Future of Alien Technology 1:48:03 The Need for Unity 1:52:03 The Farce of Disclosure INSTAGRAM ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TWITTER ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican EMAIL/BOOKINGS ➤ [e-mail] #physics #science #uap #navy #aliens Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I truly think that one day we must unite the factions because I think one day we shall have an external enemy. And why external enemy, I mean very external. M.H.I. Think of the earth. We are a very yummy apple. I think remote action is possible. Can you imagine stopping at heart just by thinking about it? Say from Qatar.

That's some scary shit. You have spoken publicly with these MH370 videos. And it seemed like the civilian aircraft just disappeared in the Southeast Asian territory. The most complex of problems has the simplest of solution depending on perspective. When I saw that thing open up, I saw the Pais effect. This is the Pais effect. Come and talk. So we're talking about artificial singularity.

Different parts of the brain have different activities. But you know that, don't you? Maybe you should interview me. So excited to be here. This has been a long time. coming because I've consumed a lot of your content. Before we get into our guest today, I want to present our co-host,

the esteemed pseudonymously named Jack. He has to go under a pseudonym. He works in some sensitive areas, but he is very familiar with some of these heterodox scientific frameworks. And so I'll love my interview with how put off in Eric Weinstein. Sometimes I get out of my depths scientifically,

and I definitely am with Salpaice. And so I'm very excited to have Jack here. thank you for joining us. Yeah, thrilled to be here. Thank you. What are you wearing for a saw? I thought I'd give a little props to a very successful organization, eponymously known as Skunkworks. So thank you for your service.

There you go. And we have an amazing Navy scientist who has sent shockwaves in kind of UFO world. It's interesting. In 2017, you had revelations around the existence of UFO study groups. stuff, atyp, awesome, that sort of thing. But you also had these patents that were filed by the guy who was right here named Sal Pais, which touch on some very interesting subjects. One might even say that they seem to dovetail with how you might build the UFO.

And we have a hat right here, which he's offered me at the beginning of the show, which is very nice. It's an F-35 hat, so thank you, Sal. Thank you for being here. You're very welcome. You're very welcome. And never, you remember, as far as how. put off as far as Eric Weinstein and Jack here. Trust me, you are at that level.

You are able to trust me on this. I've seen many podcasts and you're one of the best. So absolutely. Kudos to you, brother. I agree to disagree. But I'm happy to be the last mile of kind of cogent distribution on deeper people like yourself. So do you have any kind of disclaimers at the top?

Because you are very sensitive areas as well. And I want to make sure we don't get any tripwires. Let me C-YA right off the bat with, yes, my name is Salvador Tos, is our place. I work for the United States Navy. I used to work for the United States Space Force. Let me say at this time that I come on this podcast as a private citizen and my opinion, my statements, everything I say, everything I have said is my own, the Navy and the Space Force are now responsible for any of these statements whatsoever. And also, I would like to say

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Directly. But simultaneous to that, it's actually a national security risk. I'm extremely intelligent STEM students growing up in the wrong frameworks and not being privy to any of this stuff and thinking it's all quackery. That seems like actually a matter of national security risk. Yes. It's an absolutely broken paradigm. You're right. And it's something that has wheedled its way inside the R&D framework of our national defense infrastructure.

And it's kneecapped us from making critical advances that have national security implications. I want to start with kind of autobiographical. Because it's interesting, you go on all these podcasts and you talk about the science, and I want to get into the science. And I think Jack can help kind of drive some of the conversation later. But who are you? Where are you from? How'd you get into this stuff?

Oh, wow. Origins? Yeah. All right. My name is Salvatore Chesar, Pais. That's the way you pronounce it in Romanian. I was born in Romania and Bucharest, Romania. As a matter of fact, capital of Romania.

I came here when I was about 13 and a half of age, queen to New York City, Queens boy, as they say, still say coffee and other things as well. love a New York Rubin. Oh my God, you know, from the Brooklyn, Delhi, a real Rubin. Anyway, I'm not going to, I'm going to keep it nice since this is a family show of sorts. Right. Every now and then I'll let it slip. The people that know me know that almost every other word, the real Salvatore, will use,

is the F word. So every now, oh, like you would not believe. I can weave a tapestry of obscenity second to nine. Took that from a Christmas story, but hey, you know, every now and then you don't have to be an original. So, yeah. So again, I was born in Romania. I came here as a young kid. I grew up in the public education system.

I went to Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, to one of the well-known high schools there was Brooklyn Technical High School, not as on the same level as Bronx High School of Science or Stuyveson. in Manhattan, but from a technical point of view, is very well known and very well liked. And then I went to Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. No, it's not a military school.

It's actually very highly accredited. It usually makes the US News top 50 universities almost every year. And I love my CWR. I would never exchange it, for example, going to MIT or any other school. It's just, I was brought up there. And I stayed there.

I did my graduate studies there. Then I was extremely fortunate to have, how should I say, a job at Northrop Graman. Well, before then I had a couple of stints in New York, electronic systems associates, Siska and Hennessy. but I was extremely fortunate to work for Northrop Gromian Corporation and advanced systems, advanced concepts and among other things. And then I transitioned to the USPTO. At the time, it was Alexandria, Virginia. They had moved from Crystal City.

And then I was fortunate enough to come here, now there. And then certain things occurred, and I was fortunate to work for strategic systems programs at the Washington Navy Yard. And then I went for the Space Force and then came back. And so in 2017, you're probably most known for these patents. The title of the patent just says a lot. hybrid craft using an inertial mass modification device. How does one even get into a topic like that? I was very interested.

I've seen certain things as far as what has been shown on certain documentaries. And then... Any documentaries or then Zietteamination? It was a lot of things that were done by Dr. Stephen Greer. And a great deal of things. As a matter of fact, I hold a man in very high esteem. I feel it's very unfortunate that the UFO feel seems to be so divided. It's almost as divided as the country is at this point in time.

And I wish people were more unified. I've always been a person that drives toward unification, unification of concepts, ideas. you can always work things out. You can always reach a compromise, always. And I think everybody benefits as a result. The alternative is the enemy wins. When we fight amongst each other, our strength is divided, is weakened.

The enemy will always take force, take strength from that. So you're watching, like, close encounters of the fifth connolland or unignac, things like that. Absolutely. How do these crafts operate? How do they work? How do they work? And then it works. So this patent is somewhat you kind of reverse engineering and how, you know,

you think they work based on the observables and these sorts of concept of work. The whole idea is it can't all be Newtonian propulsion. You basically take something, you throw it out the back and the thing move forwards. The whole idea of the Newtonian third law of action. reaction reaction. Can't all be Newtonian? What if there's non-Newtony propulsion? So in other words, can we do something to the field that we operate in, the gravitational field, for example, to make objects have diminished inertia? Since inertial mass and gravitation mass, after all, there is equivalence between them. So I have a dumb question. You publish a thing like this,

and it seems like pretty well synthesized to have research. Why doesn't, you know, presumably there are legacy programs if you believe David Grasherber's engineering this stuff. Why don't they immediately kind of hit you up? No idea whatsoever. As a matter of fact, at one point in time, I almost expected to be contacted. So then the idea almost occurred to me,

almost instantaneously, that they must have this somewhere. They've already sorted through you. that they have figured it out, and they already operating certain devices. And then I hear these things about the reverse engineering, craft, and then that thing bothers me because everything I've done is really based on all of our heavy sides' version of Maxwell's equation. Yeah. The four equation for unknowns that electrical engineers have grown up to love and use, thank God, because the original were an absolute,

extremely. An unusual, yeah, unusable, yeah, mess. Quaternian, formalism, my goodness. Yeah, so again, the genius of all of a heavy side. And all you do, couple it with the harmonac oscillator and certain things occur based, again, on resonance. Resonance is extremely important because it talks to energy amplification. So you're implying that you don't believe in this for the E.T.

The craft type ofosis, you think this is all sort of inmate? Or do you think you've just stumbled across the same physics of operation? I believe that there's manmade tech and there's E.T. Tech. It's possible the E.T. Tech was reverse engineering from gifts or craft that were found historical items, who knows where and how. And there's another avenue, this man-made tech. Why can we have that kind of acumen, that kind of mind? You mean only these, they call non-human? Non-human intelligence.

Only NIH can have this kind of intellect. Why can we? I mean, we should take pride in who we are, Homo sapient, sapient. We represent a certain intellect. And this is an interesting question. Are there multiple branches, multiple tech trees that could be filtering their way

through the defense intelligence base? Some of them approachably nuts and boltish from a technology that's a couple of hundred years more advanced than us, and then other examples that are far more exotic, that when you open them up, you see nothing familiar, you see nothing recognizable. Absolutely. So in other words, this man-made tech

and ETIT Tech, and I think you can tell them apart. The one thing that struck me based on what I came to understand from the idea of the superforce, if you take the gravitation field equations of Einstein, you can readily deduce that the super force acting on the spatial temporal geometric structure, what we understand is a quantum vacuum, locally, can actually give. give birth, generate energy density. Right. This is the idea of Robert Wheeler, the notion that energy density determines the shape of space time or the shape of the quantum vacuum, and the quantum vacuum determines the propagation

of that energy density. And the super force equation, which is really a re-rendering of the Einstein gravitational field equations, talks to this. Right. Talks to the... And then, Bob Lazare mentioned at one point that it seemed to him that the so-called sports model was as if grown out of the vacuum itself, absolutely smooth, like a 3D printing out of the spacetime fabric itself. The Superforce speaks to that directly. Are you from the 10-shoulders work?

Of exactly vacuum objects. I've read, I've read certain papers as well. It's very interesting. This idea of the vehicle being 3D printed out of the quantum vacuum, because we can't seem to quite understand exactly because, you know, when you talk about chemical vapor deposition, the manufacturing techniques associated with making very small nanostructured hetero lattices. You know, my graduate work, for instance, is in topological material physics. And so we do know more than is generally acknowledged about how to manufacture those lattices. But there is still, we don't have a lot of control over where exactly the atoms go. We just spit them out and physics takes over and it deposits them where it wants to deposit them in the lattice.

So if you need them to be an extremely specific lattice, lattice points, and then you need to do layer after layer after layer to get these really novel behaviors, you know, topological superconducting layers, topological insolative layers, Joseph's injunctions, and then one after the other, we don't know how to do that. So does that get 3D printed somehow? Okay, well, I want to, we get in deep, quick. I want to just for the mass audience kind of lay some scaffolding, lay the groundwork. So you mentioned Heaviside.

Most people now, when it comes to kind of classical electrodynamics, go off of all your Alibur Heppysides and simplification of Maxwell's equation. Absolutely. So where is conventional classical electrodynamics off where you think you've found kind of a, you know, a different branch of Heaviside? Because most people adhere to him, right? This is not anything new. This is not new physics.

This is a new perspective on all physics. all out time was taking the heavy side version or Maxwell equation, coupled them with a harmonic oscillator, and shown that you get non-linearity with respect to the angular frequency, either vibration and or spin, because, as you well know, the mathematics is heavily similar. Right. And come up with, on the second conditions, you get resonance conditions.

So you get these energy amplification. Emergent phenomena. They're not immediately obvious under normal circumstances. So let's break it down. What is a harmonic oscillator? A harmonic oscillator. If you think of the best way to describe it is from Hooke's Law, the whole idea of F equal minus K, X.

A spring. Exactly. A spring oscillator. The next to sign you saw an XY. Yes, sir. And then you just write, as you well know, from mutant's second law and acceleration, or MD. x double prime d t square the whole idea of

n a equal this minus kx from that results your harmonica so we're talking about derivatives from differential calculus and this is how you go from y equals kx hox extremely simple stuff for you combining that concept with heavy side from there from a what happens is from a simple scale As a matter of fact, I send you what we presented to the patent examiner, and you can have that with a podcast. You can actually ensure, absolutely. That's been already presented. It's in the public domain, so it's considered non-governmental unclassified.

That's it. It's public domain since the USPTO primary examiner, a gentleman by the name of Philibon, Zee. has already has put it into the public domain. It was given to him via phone conversation. So that particular TVF was sent to him, and then we had a phone conversation with the Navarre attorney, Mr. Margloot, which, by the way, was tremendous.

And every one of the five patent applications, mind you, Three of them became patents. The two that did not become patents are the ones that seem to be most mundane. The high frequency, gravitational wave generator, became a patent.

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We're talking about electric fields on the order of 10 to the 18 volts per meter. So, yeah, how do we get to that? If you're combining the harmonic oscillator with the heavyside stuff, how do you get to those, you know, that big of electric field size? Again, it is in that PDF, and you can follow the math. It's extremely simple. But the whole idea is that you get, from the scaling analysis, you get a simple relationship.

that shows that it must be correct because the electric field, that relationship, it gives you a relation, so the scaling analysis of the heavy side version, I'm actually taking equation, give you a relationship, a simple relationship for the electric field strength, E, and also one for the magnetic induction,

otherwise known as the magnetic flux density, also known as the B field. Well, from those two relationships, you can actually see that Emax divided by B max equals C equals the speed of light, exactly what Maxwell showed the whole idea. So that must be correct. And when you couple the harmonic oscillator within those two relationships, you get something for the B field, which is amazing.

It shows variance with respect to angular frequency. squared. So in other words, that's interesting. So you in, now I'm tracking because in your patent, you have the, you use microwaves inside the annular channel and it's like you call it. Yes, to vibrate. Yes, to vibrate the right. Right. You called it a confined photoelectric effect. That's exactly what it is. What I've got interesting is the high temperature superconductor patent is necessary for the high frequency gravity wave patent. They speak to each other. Because there's a high cue factor associated with the high temperature super electric. But for some reason, the patent examiner did not even take.

that into consideration. Sure. Exactly what you said, because then just by that simple argument from an enablement, point of view, he should have passed or they should have passed the wrong temperatures. So what allows that frequency? Dr. Victor Lachno, Russian, of the Russian Academy of Sciences, actually shows in his archive published paper. I've never been able to publish an archive.

So the men must have, you know, either known some moderators. again, he showed that my room temperature superconductor from a mechanism point of view could work. And yet, the patent examiner just refused to grant the pattern. It was an incredible idea because you describe what is a proximity superconductor, probably also a topological superconductor. From someone that actually has that knowledge. Thank you, Jack. Yeah, so again, case in a ceramic.

And so it's the interfacial layer that is superconducting. That's where the current moves. And so when you've got these 100-terohertz microwaves inside the annular channel of your triangle pattern, it's exciting. And you're setting up that standing wave. And that's the... That's what it's all about resonance.

The W-square term is why this blows up. Yeah. That omazes a square is very important. Yeah. And for some reason, people refuse to see the mathematics speaks to the physics. Are you worried at all about that huge B-field and the surviving materials surviving it. That's something we have to be aware of.

As you will know, as you will know, as you will know, you have to be extremely careful because usually when you go above 10 to the second, maybe even pushing 10 to the third Tesla, we're talking about tremendous yields. Well, we've never even used on the magnetic field. Measured in Tesla. We've never made a magnetic field any larger than 30 Tesla, 40 Tesla.

Usually in CERN and gigantic. I heard of something up to 120 Tesla, but that's a rumor. Yeah, and the Earth's magnetic field is like a thousandth of a Tesla or a 10,000. How do you insulate materials from that size of magnetic field? You wouldn't. You wouldn't insulate it. You would have to, you'd use something that this would all want to be synergistic. So you would want to use something that benefits in some way from exposure to that field,

rather than trying to fight physics. I think that's where really brilliant engineering comes in, is that you're not going to put a bunch of things together. that are parasitically affecting each other in negative ways, and you're trying to finagle your design space to make it work, you'd put a bunch of things together that actually help each other work better with their side effects. Physics is not enough.

The engineering of the physics trumps everything else. Again, experiment Trump's theory every time. And I believe trumps should become a verb. Have you worked on this from an engineering perspective at all, or is it? We worked on. on a high-energy electromagnetic field-generative experiment at Navair. However, we weren't able to obtain a charge, an electrical charge,

of more than 10 to the minus 8 cool arms. We need at least one cool-arms on the skin to show that the Paeis effect is correct. I call it the Paeis effect, not out of hubris, as people would choose to call it, but because it was something purely original. And I decided, why not? Let's call it something that's never been called before. And there was one other Paiz there, Abraham Paiz, the autobiographer of Einstein himself,

a great physicist of his own right. He said, okay, let's couple of the names. In the context of all we've talked about, would you step through your explanation of the Paise effect from a high level? Absolutely. Okay. Usually I define it as controlled motion of electrically charged objects, usually from salus to plasma based on accelerated vibration and or accelerated spin, giving rise to extremely high energy densities. Hence, electromagnetic energy fluxes. However, it can also be thought.

of as the production, the generation of high energy densities based on certain vibratory fields of plasmus, cold plasmas. We're talking about plasmas that have been driven far from equilibrium. Your xenon gas and the annulus that you kind of move it back and forth with your 100-terohertz alternating electric field. The terahertz frequency is an interesting field that should be looked into. But again, we're not here to educate and enlighten the enemy, so that's as far as I go.

Well, it is interesting, you know, how Podops has talked about these kind of micron layers, magnesium bismuth, and he says that they, you know, micro-sized wave guides for terahertz. And so there's a reason. Look into the slide presentation that I presented at the 2019 AIAA Sightec. That presentation, please also post that in your podcast. podcast along with the patent examiner interview, those slides, it makes a lot of sense, but look very carefully, slides four to slides nine in that particular presentation. And you'll see why the terrorhertz frequency is so important. It speaks something that Dr. Eric W. Davis published in one of those DIA reports that are sold and teleportage. more to do with a certain macro dimension. A fifth dimension? A fifth dimension.

Right. So there's a, I don't know how much you want to say, but there's a coupling factor between the electric field that you're setting up to generate high-frequency gravity waves and this oscillatory behavior of the particles, which potentially polarizes the quantum vacuum and allows you, The analogy that I have used is, imagine you have a Ziploc bag that's full of water, but it's kind of sloppy. And you imagine you can push on it on one side and you set up a pressure gradient.

So now you have the quantum vacuum doing work for you and pushing on you with its own pressure. And it has such a tremendous energy density, like 10 to the 44th, you know, calories per square, per cubic centimeter or something bananas, that it does an incredible amount of work. So it's literally, you know, this is based on metric, bull, genome. It's using. It is. and quantum electrodynamics, even Feynman would say, or whatever, you know, zero point is full energy.

Absolutely. And Hal Putoff talks a lot about, you know, polarizable back. That you can electrically polarize. And so it's using kind of creating a bradyant basically to propel an object. Some of your work has cited Max Born, Paul Durrock, and I talk more to the swing limit, breaking the swing a limit. Why do I talk about that? not just because I want to make black holes.

But the whole idea is that when you put more and more energy into a particular space-time locality, you can actually unravel what we understand is continuum, space-time continuum, within that quantum vacuum limit. The swinging limit really, this whole idea of generational particle and bi-particle fields, this is exactly what the shoringer limit needs. and it's on the order of 10 to the 33 watts per meter square, speaking corresponding to an energy density on the order of 10 to the 25 joules per meter cubed.

Enormous amounts of energy. Enormous. Speaking again to those electric field strength of 10 to the 18 volts per meter, commensurate to the B field on the order 10 to the 9 volts per meter again. What is the shrug limit? The swing limit truly, it represents how. how much energy density, the quote-unquote, quantum vacuum, or rather space-time fabric can withstand before it breaks apart.

And how does this impact the black hole information limit, right? Because you've talked about this. I've never looked too much into the information gloss paradox. Summarized what you said for. Sure. So basically what you're saying is you're using this, You're using this electromagnetic amplification methodology to create this editing. Yes.

To essentially break the fabric of reality in a way that uses it as propulsion. Is that right? That's 100% correct. Because once you form this black hole, I truly believe that every black hole, has a white hole. There's a warm hole that truly forms between whatever that locality that you've broken the swing the limb and somewhere else that it talks to. And then what, where?

Based on the super pause. And believe it or not. What, where does. Quantum entanglement. Where does spin kind of, you know, where's, what, what has spin involves here? Spin. Oh, oh. So in other words, you can accelerate even spin or accelerate in vibration depending on which is

easier from an engineering point of you. As you will know, when you spin something, even surpassing 10 to the four RPM, it's very hard to do so and keep this thing. So again, you might choose vibrate. I just chose to put in both spin and vibration because the mathematics is highly similar. But from an engineering point of view, you'd want to go with vibrations. When you say spin, do you mean spin like literally spinning a thing, not like electrical? Around its own act. And this is interesting, right? There are been a number, there's a very common through line and a lot of alternate gravity manipulation approaches relating to either macroscopic spin

vis-a-vis something called the poems theory, Pope Osborne angular momentum synergy theory, something that Richard Eskridge looked into at Marshall, and then Alzaffon's nucleonic spin approaches that he sort of scrubbed with Feynman back in the 30s. Very complex, though. Yeah, yeah. But then you've got Ming Lee's work with the rotating superconductors, the IBCO. Also, Eugene Pocletnov used rotating superconductors, I didn't realize this, but Nick Cook, who wrote The Hunt for Zero Point. In grade book. Great book. He went up to Pekltonov.

Great for, for whatever reason, Nick Cook had this instinct to ask him about Victor Schauber. And somehow we actually think. Yeah. And Pekletanov goes, yeah, my father was this Soviet agent at the time. Or he was a Russian agent. Yeah. He was a Soviet. He was a Soviet.

Soviet. Soviet. Yeah. He was a, he said, my father was a Soviet agent. And he was actually counterintel. And he was tasked with. retrieving a lot of Shelberg's files. So, Schauberg was one of the first people to talk about rotating, you know.

I think in his case he had something called an impeller machine. This was pretty kind of superconductivity. Based on implosion rather than, right, the whole idea of creation, again, a physics based on creation rather than destruction. Well, and do you think there's a... Yeah, but there was a connection between... Oh, absolutely. And then Peklatov said, but we just needed more higher RPMs.

But again, from an engineering you know how detrimental that can be. It's very hard to do. It's very hard to do. And that's why I chose what are you going to put in there. Yeah, sure. And not just vibration on an electrically charged object.

But yeah. So you think that lineage doesn't make sense from an engineering standpoint. Actually, vibration makes more sense. And you know why. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because with plasma. Let's listen to Jack.

By the way, Jack is brilliant. No, no, far from it. Jesse, please. Please, 100%. That is totally unfair. Never, never, ever say that. No, I mean, I'm just, you guys are more advanced than me. Well, there's interesting things you can do when you set up standing waves and plasmas.

I mean, you can generate cold plasmas as he was talking about. This is something I did in my graduate research back in the day with certain frequencies that will pull electrons off of the atoms. And then you can start doing interesting things with those electrons. And you can set up double layer plasmas and things like this. And, you know, if you can control where the charge goes, I mean, this is the problem with a lot of hot fusion experiments is that they can't control where the electrons go. They can't control where the hot ions go. And so you get all kinds of breaking radiation, you get bremström, and you get all kinds of, you know, tremendous losses. And this approach ameliorates that. So that's why you need cold plasma for the vibrations. It's ideal, yes. Interesting. And how do you produce coal plus the fourth? Not easy. Not easy. That is EQ. Okay, got it. We will not touch on that. It's in the academic literature, but perhaps we don't verify it.

Since after all, this is my show called first in-person interview. So I should offer something to the audience. It involves something that has been given the Nobel Prize physics, Nobel Prize in physics, I believe it was last year. Non-local reality, guys. Lasers. Lasers. Interesting. Leave it there.

So, okay, so that's a better approach then. And then what does this have to do with supercontactivity, I guess? Choice hotels get you more of what you value. Comfort in. It's calling your name. Save on the stay. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. Book direct at storeshoutels.com.

Believe it or not, everything is related at the Quant of vacuum. So I'll throw something out there. So in superconducting physics, so we have this baseline theory called BCS theory. Bardeen Cooper's. Yeah. So Bardeen, brilliant physicist, two Nobel Prizes, the transistor and superconductivity. And so most superconductors, their behavior is characterized by BCS theory.

However, these are typically ultra-low temperature superconductors and extremely high B-field superconductors. So these are not terribly useful in industrial commercial application because the environments you have to put them in are very exotic. So, of course, superconductivity is very useful because it offers lossless power transmission, very high electric fields, very high magnetic fields. I've often said that the development and discovery of a room temperature superconductor would be as transformative to commerce and industry as anti-gravity. Very disruptive. 100%. Very destructive. Now, so there's been a lot of research last 30 or 4.

40 years into topological materials, topological insulators, and then something called topological superconductors. And the nature of a topological material is, so typically you have crystal lattice materials. So metals are crystals, insulators are crystals, semiconductors are crystals. Ordinarily, those crystals have the same properties throughout the bulk of the matrix. Like no matter which way, you know, frequently they're isotropic, meaning this way or that way, or they're anisotropic, meaning it's different this way versus that way. When you make semiconductor crystals, you get polychrystallin, so you get grain boundaries, and features stop at these grain boundaries, and so you start to get anisotropies. That's significant to manufacturing semiconductor materials

where we're doping these layers with different atoms. And we've been doping since the 1950s. I mean, this has been around some time, but the level of precision in semiconductor doping is three or four orders of magnitude lower than what we're talking about with these quantum heterostructured lattices, where you really need these big, chromium and vanadium atoms that install their ferromagnetic ordering across the lattice. You need them in very specific lattice location. Jack, you're absolutely brilliant and right on, but let's bring it to a very simplest, again, Occam's razor, simplicity and minimalism, one does superconductivity truly represent a macroscopic

quantum phenomenon. Yes. And it speaks directly to macroscopic quantum coherence. Look very carefully. it slides four to nine in that 2019 AIW Sightek. A lot of people have gone over those slides as it, there's nothing there. There's something of incredibly important substance. How do you maintain coherence?

Microchop or skills? Not easy at all. Condensates. Because everything wants to decoher. Everything wants extremely cold temperatures. Again, the atoms being in this nice, dance. Because again, because of electron fulom repulsion, these things don't want to pair up. And yet

BCS theory says that they should. And Dr. Victor Lachno believes it's not the electrons that, but bipolarons, the whole idea of a bipolar mechanism that occurs at these higher temperatures. Which is a quasi-particle. It's a composite quasi-particle of two Polarons. A Polaron is itself a quasi-particle, which is... And the Paeis effect speaks directly to one. to this mechanism of room temperature superconductivity, how? It basically says once you form an alternating magnetic field,

once you form this Bose-Ithine condensate that Victor Lachno speaks to, you can use a pulse current again, an alternate current, to move it. To move it, to manipulate it. Room temperature supernaturally. And yet no one has touched on either the Victor-Lagnol-Rexam. paper or my patent. How would... Thinking again, it's pseudoscience.

How would you do this? So when the reason generally you can't get superconductivity at high temperature is because the atoms in the material have all this thermal motion. They have all this thermal energy. And so the nature of superconductivity is that this thing called a phonon, which is a vibratory mode of an atom inside of a lattice, phonons facilitate the transfer of electrons through the lattice as Cooper pairs. So the poly exclusion principle only applies to spin one-half bosons.

I know this is really deep. But what happens is when you force electrons close together, they behave as though they're a spin-one particle, meaning poly no longer applies, and so they can both occupy the minimum ground state so they can move together. So there's no degeneracy. There's no energy splitting,

and so they move very efficiently through the lattice. The problem is if this lattice is warm and all these atoms are vibrating randomly, you can't get this coherent phone-on behavior. In extremely novelly comprised lattices, you put atoms in just, just the right place such that these internal magnetic fields set up these roadways, stop signs, highways, for current to flow, and you can get this behavior. So it would involve, you would need to fabricate materials on an atomic level. You need to get sub-sabank. But not the paisephic. The paesophic does not speak to

anything depending on chemical composition. That's why Dr. Victor Lagnol, he picked it up because he realized this is the solution to an active superconductor. One that's not passive, what's not based on chemical composition. Like the type 1A or the type 2 superconductors. This is basically, it can be done as long as this thing

at any point in its structure has been superconducting. For example, that's why I chose lead, circinate, titanate, all three components at very low temperatures are superconducting. And yet,

because of the bipolar mechanism that Dr. Lagnol, I believe, in his paper, it's just a three-page paper, but on the third page, he gives the mechanism and he speaks to the Paise-effect room temperatures

for conduct. You believe it will work. So these materials are superconducting in their natural state, even at room temperature? Not at room temperature. It's very low temperature.

He's describing conventional superconductors. Right. Like YBCO and from the... Let circunaate, titanate, PB, ZR, TI, these are the components of what they call a piezoelectric material. You know, Townsend Brown spent the latter

and out of this period looking at physio-wetri material. They're very important. Because one talks to, again, the whole idea that pressure-induced what? the electric field can also induce pressure changes. In the vacuum.

Well, I discovered something very interesting. The Townsend Brown's ceramic insulator of choice was very enticane. It is on the chalkboard in videos of him. And yet they have dismissed this work. This is what changed my mind about Townsend Brown. They had dismissed his work. And they have dismissed his work. And he says, by the way,

the beginning of Towns of Brown's Winter Haven proposed, He says Oliver Heaviside had a very adequate theory of gravity back in the 1890s, so we would be right to listen to him. So, you know, that was his opinion as well. I'm convinced that some well-meaning physicists just didn't see the application to exotic condensed matter physics at the time, you know, because I think these are subtle effects for which the coupling is small in natural materials. And, you know, as we started to manufacture semiconductors, this was the world's first

meta material in the broad sense. an optical metamaterial in the strict sense. And you start to set up these solid state environments that have fundamentally different environments, and we're just now getting to the point where we have the sem tools to interrogate these things, and we have the chemical vapor deposition and the atomic vapor deposition to actually make them,

and then we have the interrogation tools to know for sure what we really made. I mean, these experiments take years to set up and execute. That's why it's been saying. They're not easy. What would be the next step for, I mean, because let's build a UFO. I mean, if there was ever a time where we were, you know, geopolitically unstable on a macro level and need to throw hell, Mary, it would be right now.

And I don't know what we have still, you know, maybe we were way more advanced than, I mean, what do you think? Do you think we're way more advanced than meets the IRA? I truly believe we must be. This democracy must win. This republic must stand. We must survive. So yes, I believe we shall. Do you think that what you're looking into has already been discovered and then some in kind of private quarters?

Or do you think that you're deriving something fun modeling? Absolutely not. I do not think I'm an original in this at all. As a matter of fact, the physics that I speak to was available in the 1890s and they were great physicists at the time. Great brains. I'm 100% sure that I'm not an original in this, not at all. Many interesting things. It's just the way that I address the Pais effect,

especially from the room temperature superconductor. Now, the Pais effect driven room temperature superconductor, I do believe I'm an original in. I would believe that. And Victor Lachno attest to that. He says it could work. Now, for a man of his capacity, his capability of his mathematical prowess,

and not just mathematical physics, which are physical mathematics. where the physics drives the mathematics, not vice versa. This man thinks that this could work. I believe it should be looked at. Well, there are these claimed replications of room temperature. Okay, 99. They refer it.

You're the only English-speaking patent that's in the citation, the rest of Korean and Chinese. But everybody thinks it's pseudoscience. How come? Well, yeah, so do you think that this has already been done? You think it's been discovered? Do you know that that team was so sure of their results that they published one paper with six authors and then they published another paper with three authors because only three people can share a Nobel Prize? They were that confident.

Whoa. Then what happened upon the era? There were people that replicated it. Reproduction issues. Yeah. There were Chinese teams that replicated the experiment. It went into the void as if. So you guys seem to lend a little more credence than meets the eye to Elton.

Maybe. Yeah. I think I had heard there were reproduction issues. Other labs tried to make it. And I find it hard to believe like other labs would cover it up because, again, it's Well, that would explain. The Lord. You have what you know, talk to the little of ours are.

I love it. I think he's an American hero, great guy. When they speak to him, he really has to speak super cryptically about like, you know, some very disrupting. The Sun, like, save the world, but also destroy the world. We all have to play nicely together. or the toy or whatever is this, or is he talking about,

we're in temperature superconductivity. Who knows? That's low. Yeah, yeah. The man doesn't drink, I believe, so you might not be able to get any information out of him. He's also a very, you can tell the man has seen a lot.

So on that note, you know, on the subject of proliferation, I find it very fascinating to think about the fact that Manhattan, and we got a little lucky and that nuclear weapons turned out to be very difficult to make. And so proliferation was slow. In terms of the weaponization of UAP physics, and we've, of course, mentioned there could be multiple branches and different tech trees, do you have a sense that this technology will be

difficult to replicate, difficult to manufacture? No. Or very easy. No. However, there's a paper out there, plasma compression fusion device. You and I were talking right before. Yeah. It's being cited by some very important research teams in China.

And the latest that's being cited is of this year, I-Tripple-E journal Cybernetics. Can you imagine making a plasma compression fusion device something compact? Now, in what artificial intelligence domain would cybernetics coupled with, if you were to use such a device, say such a device was operational. It could be made operational in a small footprint, a power source, something like Iron Man's reactor. Could you imagine what you would use that in? Why would the I-Triple-E Journal of Cybernetics be interested in that particular work?

Think what that would mean. Terrify. I mean, you... Terrifying. Terrifying. There's so many ways. And enormous energy densities are terrifying in every way. Everybody, but imagine an army of those what they could mean.

Leave it there, Jesse. Trust me, I'm not. Leave it there. That's freaky. It's very freaky. Again, the fusion of ideas cross-domain, the ability of using information from different disciplines. That's in the open literature.

That's why O-Synt can be so incredibly important. important in the right hands in cross-domain technology, interdisciplinary across those host-scent tools extremely dangerous. It already has, and it already is. You know, the use of AI tools in reverse engineering, all of these ideas right out of the, right out of the ether, right out of off the internet, is very powerful already. I mean, it's helped a lot of us in the disclosure effort, find things that are out there in the public domain that, just maybe we didn't realize they were already in the public domain. However, it's also A-cubed.

Not a good idea. Well, okay, so you also have written a lot about high-frequency gravitational waves. Yes, sir. And so how does that play into all of this? And why don't we actually zoom out real quick and just explain how, okay, if you had a room temperature superconductor and then you had the Paeissify, how would this allow you to possibly build a UFO? Like, how does that play into, you know,

I cannot speak to that. I cannot speak to that. But again, please, there is no such thing as faster than light travel. Einsteinian physics is never broken. Einstein was 100%. Everything Einstein has come up with is 100% real.

And I truly believe that, for example, even quantum entanglement, we're not talking about instantaneous communication here. So you don't believe that, like, a lot of people in national security disclosure world We'll talk about alchulieri warp drives, you know, involving negative mass or negative energy to allow for faster than might travel. You don't think that's possible.

I do not believe then, again, once you break, once you create this black hole, Einsteinian physics no longer truly applies. Think of the paradigm. It's as if you have broken known physics to begin with. A whole, again, I choose not to call it new physics. but truly that's why it truly. Let's get a little as though. So you hit the shwinger limit, break space time.

What happens vis-a-vis this fifth dimension? Well, not. Okay. We'll not touch on that. Okay. What's interesting about Alcubier Drive, I think, is this notion of negative energy. And there have been people who have associated negative energy with quantum vacuum energy. That's right.

So what's interesting is it could be the case that the Al-Cubier approach and the quantum some vacuum approach, in fact, arrive at the same result. They're just different paradigms for looking at the same thing. Yeah. Correct. But what's interestingly different is Al-Cubier is a strictly Einsteinian notion in a manner of speaking. It operates entirely within general relativity. It doesn't require a TOE. It doesn't require new physics, whereas, which also is somewhat unhelpful because it doesn't give us guideposts to new physics. It's not really informative in any way, whereas these kinds of approaches do require those things. Absolutely.

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I found it interesting that. It could all, and that's just because it can be weaponized. So. It can be. Let's not go there. Well, I did find it interesting just high level that. I believe Evgeny Potladov has hit on something already. And if it's true that he has made this impulse gravitational generator.

Wow. That's scary. Because he's sort of... Because he's funded by the Russians. And he's in... So what do they... Once upon a time, I was told he was working for an American contractor. Is he?

I thought he might be. Because I... The latest rumors is that he is... Repatited. Oh, Phantom War. Yeah. Yeah. I hope...

Yeah. He's in a thing he's... I'm pretty sure he's repatried. Okay, so this is really... Yeah. But anyway... This is a really scary setup because basically, it's funny because after this conversation, neurotic about this conversation, but I'm so much less neurotic about

outing Townsend Brown, who I'm sure is right, because that is so far down the chain of like, it's like so not dangerous. And it's, and it's, to me, it's absurd from an American national security standpoint that like it would, and all be controversial to destigmatize him. You know, he's this scientist. He was a great man. He is a great man. He is a great man. He stigmatized his own probably for good reason because at the time, I think it was the tip of the sphere. Absolutely. And it was this Cold War secrecy era, but just based on this conversation, it sounds like all nations are pretty far advanced as far as these heterodox frameworks.

And if you're the U.S., you need to be getting as many young people aware of these things as soon as humanly possible, at least from a high level. Yeah. Otherwise, where the hell's the talent going to come from? Yeah. Like, seriously. Yeah. And Weinstein has spoken on this, too.

And I think, you know, I don't, I think, I think there's missing names. Like, what's going on? Who's actually working on it, right? Right. Totally. Or even just, like, what are the proper frameworks? It's like, finally, it seems like string theory is capitulating after getting bashed over the head for the last, you know, 10 years by phlegicists. You know, they've seemed like not a super, you know, self-aware crowd up until, like, maybe the last couple of years, they're all saying, you know, like Leonard Susskin, just won on theories of everything.

Well, Kurtz had one of a great interviewer. It was like, I think we. kind of, you know, with the cap on straight forward. Yeah. So, but, but it just would, you would, you would expect some sort of coordinated effort on high when it comes to the American national security state when it comes to letting this stuff out. And it's, it's, it's, I always feel like, you know, sort of in an awkward position with, you know, for example, with the Townsend Brown stuff where it clearly that was the right thing

to do, but it's in retrospect, every having this sort of conversation that, you know, it's like you never know what the right thing is. I suspect some of this has to do with the fact the majority of the program was executed during the Cold War. And I think perhaps at one time, we were quite certain that we were the only ones with anything. And we thought, worst case scenario, we put a big footprint on this.

And just like Manhattan, the adversary infiltrates the program and steals what we've gotten. And all of a sudden, there's this proliferation of next generation weapons of mass destruction, as I'd spoke to Dave Grush about. And maybe they thought for the longest time, max priority is bury it. Keep it totally, totally silent.

No one knows it exists. Distant second priority. Glean as many technical insights from it as you can every once in a while. And unfortunately, somehow, eventually they did get it either through their own crash retrievals or infiltrating our program, whatever it might be. And now there is a race and we are not in first. That's wild. What do you mean they get some first? If I had to guess between Russia, China, I'd say China.

They're not distracted with a regional war. They have a significant amount of resources to put towards it. They have retired a lot of their alumni from this country. Every year, China graduates more STEM professionals than exist in the entire United States. They're brilliant. Yeah. How many times they've won the Math Olympians? You think that's a...

Sure. And do you think it's probably, you know, it's like the three-body problem or whatever, the PRC if they want you to work on some highly classified stuff, they just knock on any door. And here it's just this complicated, vireratic, you know, you have all these corporate fiefdoms with local incentives taking shots at one another.

I truly think that one day we must unite the factions because I think one day we shall have one day. You need now. What do you mean? Listen, as soon as possible, because I think we have an external enemy. And my external enemy, I mean very external. Very external.

What do you tell about? NHI. NHI. So did the Dumer take? So, yeah, what evidence do we have? Because, you know, when you speak to Lou Al-Azondo, you have sort of this, like, idea that something is imminent. You'd be possibly hostile contact. Maybe they're prepping the battle space.

I tend to think, at least historically, looking back. Think of the Earth. Okay. People have word for less than the place of extreme. natural resources. We are a very yummy apple. Yeah, but do you have any

everybody's eye? Sure, but like it's like we have thousands of years of history where like we haven't had contact or maybe if we have had contact, at least it's ephemeral enough where like our modern historical perspective I believe we've had contact with thousands of years

but in this weakly entangled ephemeral way in a way that you know, if you were to talk to like a conventional historian, they would not say that, you know, they'd say we're alone, we're at the top of the consciousness food chain. So do you guys have any information that I dealt when it comes to something coming down the pike as far as hostile content? Well, there are people who feel strongly that there have been reset events, right? Human history reset events. For instance, 70,000 years ago, we know genomically there was a bottleneck. There was a human

bottleneck event where, you know, something like 7,500 members of the population are our descend, or our ancestors. And I don't know what to think of that. I mean, I don't really necessarily see the purpose, but you do have to speculate. There's so many degrees of freedom associated with what are their motives. Are they resource constructed in some way? What continues to be interesting in 50,000? Isn't it fairly well documented that that was, you know, Luis and Walter Alvarez, Luis Walter Alvarez, the father, who was in the Manhattan product, they had this theory that, you know, an asteroid had the earth wiped out of the dinosaurs around that period.

And then you get this Cambrian explosion of new light. Right, right. So, like, that doesn't feel like non-human intelligence to me. No, no. I don't mean extinction-level event resets. I mean more recent than that, like in human history. For instance, the Toba event and the Randall-Cars and the Randall-Cherlinson stuff and the reset 12,000 years ago.

But that might be just a common airburst from a tour of media stream. Oh, yeah. Fully agree. So, like, it's not the middle. Okay. So, like, okay, but then this, again, you need more evidence. If you're going to say that non-human contact, that's hostile, is coming down the pike. Well, there's a book out there.

Okay, what's the book? Charles Ford, The Book of the Dam. It starts with very interesting words. I believe we are property. That, that, that, read that folk. It's very interesting. It's for your audience. Let them look into this.

A little background. We're property. And we are property. So we're already calling it. guys. What are we? Again, the whole idea of, are we a civilization with amnesia as a certain gentleman? Well, we-

Graham Hancock. Graham-Hancock, sure. Well, we definitely seem to, you know, follow this, like, local incentive, scarcity, gamified thing. That doesn't seem like it's in the best interest of our race ascending into anything, you know, we're real. And that's the thing that attracts me to the whole UFO phenomenon for all. It's weird.

with characters and, you know, a Hall of Mirror's vibes, it feels like a somewhat transcendent topic where, you know, maybe we can ascend out of our life. I think we will soon, soon enough, anyway, face a tremendous threat from without. And I believe, as the great Ronald Reagan once said, if we do not come together as a unified earth,

we will not withstand what's coming. Do you think it's already, I mean, you have these rumors of, like, you know, the gray aliens for collecting biological samples. I do not know. I truly do not know. Why do you feel? Because that's a crazy. That's a really big assertion.

Do you ascribe to the battlefield preparation hypothesis that the vehicles acting aggressively with fighter planes that the vehicles, you know, overflying the missile fields and shutting missiles off? Of course, the testing. Oh. And that's why we should be very. careful on putting all our money into reversed engineered ETIC craft because, because they already have their own technologies. They know how to defeat their own thing. What if there's good factions and bad factions? Like when I speak to Robert E. Stengs, I'm praying for that because otherwise

we do not have a chance in hell. Well, a lot of the nuclear stuff is like shutting down silos. And maybe, and then a lot of the messaging that people get seems to be able. like you're going to destroy yourselves in some sort of nuclear holocaust and you need to come together now and focus more on the environment and that sort of thing. Right. It's a green PC type things. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm so, I'm not saying that's not some tricksterism. You know, it's hard to set as long as I'm saying, we need to maintain that. If there are multiple, yes, I completely agree. If there are multiple actors in the space, it's incredibly hard to attribute what to what. Hmm. Yeah. How does your work sell connect with the great help put off? I read a lot of his papers. And he has great. indeed. Don't forget, I believe this man, if he was not connected with things that are taken

as non-scientific and them pseudoscience, like remote beings, would have deserved, is deserving of a Nobel Prize, truly, especially the physical review paper on gravity and that's, it's, pure brilliance. What does he say about gravity? When he describes gravity as an emergent property of the underlying space-time foam. And it's put off, like, seminal work of spacetime. So if it can electrically polarize the vacuum, and then you can manipulate gravity, like you can manipulate variables in Maxwell's equation.

Yeah, and he's the first to talk about that. Yes, yeah, and it's funny. He was touching on it in my interview with him and Eric Weinstein, and we didn't quite get into, like, the mechanism. Because this idea, I think, you know, Eric couldn't believe that he worked on remote viewing. I could tell that, again, for a Harvard train mathematician, the idea of even remote viewing being possible,

such an abnormality. What do you think of remote viewing? I think remote action is possible. So that's even farther than remote viewing. Can you imagine stopping it hard just by thinking about it? Say from Qatar. That's scary. That's some scary shit.

Anyway, who needs the CIA's heart stopping gone when you can do it with a thought? Well, anyway, well, and there are rumors about the fact that there was other teams of remote viewers being trained by Pat Price and Joe McGonagall other than put us. Yeah, there are rumors that they'll still go on. And I mean, even if you read Skimarkers at the Pentagon, it was definitely still going on in the context of Ossap. But like, you know, I don't think it ended in 1995. I mean, you have Joseph McMonigle won the Legion of Merit for over 200 times for which she helped to relax intelligence, cost inch cases, drawing up, you know, nuclear sites, that sort of thing. You don't just end a program like that.

It just wouldn't make sense. But yeah, I also think we're emerging, we're figuring out more and more possible physical models of consciousness that might explain remote viewing. So if the brain is a hybrid quantum class, system, which, you know, Penrose would be one model. And I don't know if microchubials are the right thing, but they can maintain coherence up until the, you know, a single point, you know, the gravity time. It's important or whatever.

That's important. And if that's the case, then in quantum systems, you have temporal non-motality and you can send, you can reverse cubic positions into quantum computations. Correct. And so if then, if you get to a working quantum computer, maybe you can send information on the application like back in time. Many people build the quantum computers say that. So if your brain is a hybrid, you know, quantum classical computer,

maybe you are accessing shards of information from the future, especially if you're given confirmatory. How does the brain prevent decoherence? That's the question I should. Probably through non-abalian statistics, just like the bias effect. So how would you, that must be, you know, some meditation technique or something? No, I'm sorry, non-abillion statistics. It's like Fermi-Di-Durox statistics.

It's a type of particle statistic model that emerges from, standard model physics. I know from a medical perspective, but like a dog isn't doing vector calculus when he's catching a brisbee, like what protocol should we do to maintain coherence? Great question.

So what do you think? Great question. What do we do? Great question. How do we get to the fifth of Matt? How do we hit the swinging limit with a cube? Oh, my God. Well, I'm 100%.

For example, in these UAP phenomena, They speak of a mind matter connection. So it's definitely there. But there must be, there must be a trans. There must be an intermittent medium. What is that intermittent medium? It has occurred to me that these. The vacuum itself.

Oh, yeah. What else can be there? The medium for which, how does light transfer to photons? But you're saying where's the medium? Because every other wave has to move through a medium. medium. I don't know. Something.

A quantum vacuum. But is it as a super force level? Is that at the plank scale? Right. How we talk about, I mean, the super force, we're talking about 10 to the 44. Newton has to be in a fifth dimensional state. It would have to be.

Which Ken shoulders talks about fifth dimensional space for exotic vacuum object. Yeah. I suppose it doesn't have to be. It's not necessarily required that we have higher dimensional spaces. I mean,

And there could always, so Kaluza Klein compactified sub-dimensions, it has problems, but the general notion of higher dimension, it solves some problems. It explains the hierarchy problem, explains the gravitational weakness problem. Why is gravity, you know, 31 orders of magnitude weaker than the strong nuclear force or something? And remember what Kaluza thinks of electrical charges, what motion in the fifth dimension? Really? How interesting. Fascinating. This is Euphoria Korn.

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Great book, by the way. Eric W. Davis, no matter what he says on my physics, the man must be congratulated for that book, just for that book alone. I brought my copy. Him and Mark Millis are amazing, but you can tell that the real forte behind the physics is Dr. Davis. Well, he says, my head off to him. He says something around the, like,

that build brown effect, which he believes, and that was from the book, if you take the face value, that that's, you know, just a, you know, coronal wind or ionic wind, and it's not actually, you know, a tie between electromagnetic to them and gravity, but I think at one point he says you would need a fifth dimensional space to connect EM and gravity if this wouldn't actually work.

So exactly. Very interesting. I think fundamental. Oh, that's the Davis is very exposed. How does torsion, uh, putting cozy and have whole jack please well so one of my favorite subjects now we're going into heavy pseudoscience for everyone out there so here's what's funny is that uh that's all fake that's right brother if you talk about heavyside as a more fundamental treatment of of uh of

maxwell similarly einstein carton is a more fundamental treatment of Einstein because Einstein felt the torsional tensor should be treated symmetrically in free space and therefore zero out you know t21 minus t1 two equal zero and e like car Eli Cardin came around and said, no, you can't make that assumption. You know, there could be exotic environments where this is a non-zero contributor. And so basically the two contributions to gravitational force and a geometric context are curvature to space time and a twist to space time. So torsion is the twist. And what makes that interesting from a gravity manipulation standpoint is that contents of the torsional tensor are the spin density tensor, which can contain contributions from

electromagnetic spin. So if you can do really novel things with spin, either by coupling electron spin to nucleonic spin or maybe like you're talking about axial spin to harmonic vibratory modes that sort of blow up real fast, you can maybe generate really large contributions to this bend density sensor and get these torsional repulsion fields that act like gravity, look like gravity,

but technically they're not exactly gravity. Wow. However they can couple to it. Yeah. Under certain condition. Yes. So then you could basically, because gravity can't traditionally manipulate in a lab. So you might be able to manipulate in a lab.

Again, the whole idea of the graviton itself being a spin two, whereas the photon spins one. Yeah. Now, in the broader context, torsional physics is not a theory of everything. It's just going to be a piece of a more complete theory of gravity that slots into some broader theory of quantum gravity. Interesting. Do you think, that's fascinating.

So, so, but this would be torsional physics a way to connect your gravity if it binds to gravity more tightly than traditional transverse 13th electromagnetic waves. Along the lines of multiple tech trees, this could be one of those branches that's important and significant. That's fascinating. And what do you think of, you know, you mentioned Greer, you were watching this stuff and that sort of inspiring? Some of the work did Bob Lazare. Do you think that he was? I think Lazare is right on the money. When I, I'll tell you the truth, when, when I saw in. in the super force equation, C to the fourth divided by big G being the super fourth. And that talking as a linear operator really to the spatial temper temporal geometric structure

thereby giving rise to energy density. When I saw that, and I remember his words that this sports mile is the zip. It was 3D printed on space time. That's exactly what that equation says. So that means that they had the capability to manipulate the space force at a plantian level. We'll talk about a physics that we, it's unfathomable. That's why I'm saying they could at a, that's, that's.

This is root access. That's a pretty one. And so what about his idea of gravity A, gravity B, two. I don't know about that. It's occurred to me, maybe it's curvature. gravity and torsional gravity? Oh, could be. Interesting.

I know. It could be different explanation. I don't like encouraging him. Well, now, I've come around those. I never fully ruled. Rogan says that he believes Razor. So do I. I believe Lazar is not saying.

I'm starting to do. Well, I think he was pushed out by Intel, I believe, because John Lear gave the files to George Knapp. but and so maybe it was like at the time that majestic 12 was coming out i think a lot more about the majestic 12 was correct as well and that would maybe go went by another name and they're kind of false names and that's how kind of passage material works that's how you know recruiting works where you know you have to give it a quacky veneer or whatever so i i don't quite you know maybe believe the story fully prelaphacia but i think you experience real stuff yeah i mean

He was given passage material. Maybe some of it was authentic. No matter what he did on the side and no matter. Don't forget this guy actually knew Teller. Right. Teller did not approach anybody that was so. We're talking one of the greatest physicists of all time. If it wasn't for his staying with Oppenheimer and how much

openheimer's loved by the rest of the physics community, Edward Teller would be remembered forever as one of the geniuses of our time. Remember, this is the man that not only is responsible for the telewulam device, but for something called Project Sundial. It's unclassified. Look into it. Well, if it's unclassified, so what happened? Look into it.

Yeah. Imagine creating something instead of 50 megatons, the Russian Tsar Bomba. Imagine something billion. Whoa. Yeah, he wanted 100 gig a ton. Oh. I don't know why. Jesus Christ.

Man was an absolute genius from every world. Oh, genius. He believed. No, no, he rightly believed. No, no earth, no, no world in its right mind. We all stain. Trust me, we are sane as an earth. That's why we must come together unified somehow.

I'm down with that amount of energy. No, no, no. He believed that no, no sane world would ever execute. such a weapon. So just the very existence of such a weapon, knowing that you have that sword, this is the sword of Democles. The men must have been very well versed in the classics. Sword of Democles, always hanging above your head. Nobody is crazy enough. We have enough of a sword in the place in my opinion. But what do you think, because you've made an interest that, you've been talking a lot about Heaviside here.

and him being, you know, kind of an inspiration for you in a moment. Absolutely. I interviewed a Navy scientist, another Navy scientist who actually was anonymous in my Townsend Brown episode. He talked about this framework of extended electrodynamics. So he talked about the original 21 Maxwell's equatings and a more faithful adherence to those equations and the quaternarian, you know, connection. Yeah.

Being somehow essential to all the. these new exotic electromagnetic waves beyond the transverse 13 waves, a scalar wave, scalar wave, scalar longitudinal waves, things like that. Do you agree with that model? I believe there are many roads that lead to Rome. I understand that view because they believe there's that truly what we're seeing, again, the whole idea of the iron of bone effect. The whole idea is that what's true is the vector and the scalar potentials,

not the electric field per se and the, the B-field. It's the way you look at it, the way you use. Again, physics should drive the mathematics, not the other way around. I truly believe that. What's interesting as I read a paper recently, because I've always been skeptical of scalar, longitudinal scalar wave theory, but I read it primarily because we don't see them. So the question is, I'm fundamentally an empiricist. We're going to see these. Well, what's interesting is apparently there's a possibility of mistaking very small subharmonics in AC waveforms for, or I'm sorry, mistaking longitudinal scalar waves for subharmonics. So the notion was if you expose some kind of a novel matrix, something like what we were

talking about, that this sort of pulls the waveform apart in the same manner that a prism pulls apart, you know, a light wave and shows you the different frequencies, that you might see something novel out of that, that you're like, wait a second, that's not normal, that's perhaps your scalar wave. So there's a possible experimental approach to verification or discrediting. And don't forget the fundamental papers of E.T. Whitaker. Yeah. 1904, 1905.

English, British mathematician by the name of E.T. Whitaker writes these two fundamental papers whereby he actually shows the scalar waves, non-hertzian. So non-transverse waves are feasible. Interesting. As a matter of fact, wasn't it Colonel Tom Beard? that mentioned? Yeah, Tom Beardt talks about scalar physics. There's a guy now in the Hibli, who publishes papers about Woodside.

There's another guy who publishes papers about extended electrodynamics and these other way of types. I mean, these things are not expressly forbidden. So. No. Anything that's not forbidden by physics is allowable. Yeah, and they're not. Now, is it engineerable? Right.

That depends on the genius of some people. Well, you need to polarize a vacuum again, right? Because because it's all about the integral, right? equation, right, having a sort of a gauge where the scalar and vector potential are automatically kind of negated or equal zero. But back, yeah, there might actually be a real scalar and longitudinal or scalar vector potentials that are present, even if a magnetic field is not present. And the prosaic explanation for that is the electromagnetic four potential, but a lot of the proponents of extended electrodynamics that actually explains this stuff way, way better. This is why I think condensed matter

of physics is the most exciting field of physics today because these things are being interrogated. And please don't forget Nicola Tesla. Yeah. His idea of radiant energy is based on what? Scalar waves. Scalar waves. Yeah. Interesting.

Very interesting. He was totally against Hertz, by the way. Was he? Tesla was very outspoken. Known to be here. Anyway. Because he thought his own exotic ways. Well, he was experimenting.

Don't forget, Einstein thought that Tesla was he. the most intelligent man in the world at one point at that. This is Einstein. I've never interacted. I've never consumed Einstein's commentary about Tesla. That's interesting. Well, it's funny, Tesla and Townsend Brown were doing the same thing. Tesla is doing similar stuff to what Townsend Brown is at the end of this career,

at Wardee Cliff and in Colorado Springs, extremely high voltages across short distances, where you would expect to get these stuff, the novel as the facts or rips. Somebody should ask the president of elect about his. It's uncle. Well, you want to know the one interview with John Trump is available in a documentary on the Philadelphia experiment. Philadelphia experiment is a wacky, style, you know, experiment with Townsend Brown involved.

There probably was a real thing going on underneath the, you know, veneer, the fake thing that was distributed that Townsend Brown actually pulled off. But John Trump gets interviewed in this documentary by Bill Moore. And John Trump was tasked with looking through. Right. Tesla's files when they confiscated him from his apartment in New York. And so he was the national security. He was very close with Vannevar Bush.

If there is a legacy UFO program, John Trump had to. He was the top radar expert in the country. I think he even owned a company called High Voltage LLC or something like that. I believe Tesla physics, quote, unquote, can bring these things down. This is our Trump card. I truly believe it's the genius of. Nikola Tesla that will one day help us in the upcoming, let's say, if there's such a single cosmic war.

Oh, you're saying invasion. Well, that's what, I mean, that's what Greer says. I don't like to talk about that. I think that's a bad, I think we shouldn't mess with the stuff, let them decide. Let them decide. I think they're way more advanced. Again, I believe we have property. Oh, man.

I think they're factions. And I think they're good initiatory factions, and then they're bad, malevolent, more actively fucking with us faction. Well, interesting math emerges when you look at the sheer number of galaxies, the sheer number of stars per galaxy, the age of the universe, the number of emergent species that can emerge from a given planet, the numbers blow up very quickly. So this notion of one, two, three, four species gets really strange. Like, why aren't there 25,000? You know, why aren't there 30,000? Yeah. And so I think there must, so on the nuts and bolts side, I think there are power scaling restrictions in play that restrict how far you can go with any sort of FTL technology.

But at the same time, I think it informs the political landscape. Yeah. Well, we assume, right, this like binary angels and demons or angels for demons. Right. But it's not great. Well, if you have a hierarchy of being, it's likely more of the king green explosion, more diversity. on the food chain above you, maybe even then below you or whatever, because you have these, you know, all sorts of path dependencies.

And yeah, so maybe there's just, that's extremely complex. As a counterpoint, Peter Thiel gave a very interesting interview where he talked about how he thinks there's an argument for the fact that there might be selective forces that lead to one very good and one very bad. And this could give rise to the binary. And I raised a face on it, we talked about it, and it's very controversial because there are people that hate this interpretation. Well, it's compelling. Well, it's compelling.

But it's biblical. It's biblical, yeah. It is. The war between the children of light and the children of darkness. That's, yeah. If it ever felt apocalyptic, it does now. I mean, look at what's going on. You look at where the war is actually taking place.

It's pretty wild. It feels like we're in the book of Revelation. But also. Truly, end of time. It's weird. But like, I think the point he was making was that. that tech itself is a forcing function. And so if you have warp drive tech,

if you have faster than light tech, you never see it coming. It's hard to have your defense against that. That was an excellent point. And so because of that, you either have to inflect towards this like totalitarian total clamp down one world government state, or you need to reflect,

influx towards like complete altruism and like heart-centeredness. And if you have one, you know, maybe you'll be okay, you know, with the work drive tech, and it will be saving of humanity. And if you have the other, you know, you just need total control. But, you know, that's not.

I hope you know, it's left in that direction. I believe the physics that will win is the physics that's based on creation. Destruction. So, Victor Schaubber. Well, how do we, how do we get to it? Because a lot of this conversation is, you know, it's fascinating and it's mind opening, but it's also bleak and scary because it's starting to dawn on me just how we live in a multipolar world and you have these exotic lineages of physics that all of these countries are somewhat privy to.

And they're very destructive. And so how do we get to a more generative, heart-centered, positive version of physics and the global landscape? Many roads lead to Rome, but there's only one via Apia. Only one what? Via Apia. The one that the aqueduct was built along. It was the major road that led to Rome. So there could be many roads that led to Rome, but there was one of choice.

I was usually followed by the legions. There may be just one way of doing it right. Can we find it before something tragic happens? What do you think that way is? Unification. But it can't just be a physics solution. Can we re-engineer human nature? I once asked that of courage among all.

I think he's still thinking on it. Can we re-engineer human nature? That's where the secret of all this lie. What are we? Who are we? What do you think? I think it's possible. But again, I think it demands a great effort on our part

to leave our individualistic ways and come together as one collective who were willing to live in total equality. See, Marx attempted that. He did. And yet, the practice of Marxism resulted in tremendous atrocities. The pogroms.

Well, he was diagnostically... And you could say that it was the Leninist uprising and the revolution that led to Nazism, that led to national socialism. So in other words, everything came from trying to put this idea of equality into practice, but in the wrong manner, because it formed elitism.

Once you have elitism into an equation, you've destroyed everything. Well, it's just so anathema to human nature of Marxism. And maybe it's sort of diagnostically somewhat correct as far as how capitalism creates these sort of alienation dynamics or whatever. But prescriptively, it's just so beyond idealistic. Isn't it a beautiful thought, the equality of man? I think, man, I like, you know, I don't like meritocracy. I think is overused and kind of in an annoying way, but it's meritocracy is way better than

equality. So like the idea that we're all like, you know, equal outcomes or whatever, that that's crazy. You know, maybe some sort of, you know, equal footing or opportunity, but that even, you end up in these sort of never ending conversations of how exactly to engineer that. in these sort of technocratic ways that lend themselves actually to power co-option, ultimately, of people that don't even care about those things. It's sort of a bait and switch. And so, I don't know, I think it's a really hard conversation.

If the 20th century was a refutation of anything, it was a refutation of these technocratic ideologies where you could engineer society into anything. It was the, it was, you had all these utopian ideologies, and none of them weren't, Nazism, Bolshevism, communism, you know, Trotskyist, Marxist, Marxism, is that they all failed. No. And, you know, I think it really was a refutation. It's the most deadly century we've ever had.

So I don't know how we get out of this, but it feels like it has to be a much more individual kind of. Maybe we need a common enemy from the outside. Oh, that doesn't seem really good or carries down it at all. You're seeing that there would be an enemy from within, there would be a fifth column, that there would be people taking their side? Well, I think the right thing is scary, yeah? The right thing is to look within.

You know, it's to really, really look at yourself, think about who you are and fix what's broken there. And I think that's probably a better path individually. I think we've seen enough microcosms of the outside enemy to assert, unfortunately, that there would be fifth columns in some manner speaking. That's what the problem is. What do you mean? And again, that would only... There'd be some disruption to the idea of global unity by way of it.

external because the ideology is that there'd be so we must go with the most basic of units the re-engineering of human nature itself do we have enough self-awareness to do that you know i don't i don't know if i believe in that in some sort of sci-offy way well yeah what i mean what is a no good question what do you guys think you know regan meant what you have rumors right of like macarthur why would you have said it in a plain session of of the united nations so so yeah so this is this is the story is that Friggen was speaking with Gorbachev. Gorbachev tells this story that he says in an interview, I think, with Charlie Rose or something. And Reagan whispers to him right before the conversation starts.

He says, you know, hey, if aliens invaded, would you have our back? And then you kind of take a copadre on that and defend the earth together. And Gorbachev was extremely taken aback. But yeah, this idea of kind of astral, astral politics or something. Like, do you think that that and this idea of MacArthur, there were rumors that, you know, how I'm interested, though, what was Gorbachev's, was it been the affirmative? I think it was. You said, he said, yes, Mr. President, we would, we would defend you.

He meant it, too. And I'm really sure. Is that, is that real, though? I mean, is it like Reagan, like, kind of asking him or? Sometimes you have leaders that are meant to be there at the right time under the right circumstances. I believe they're born for that particular. purpose to make sure that earth is not pushed toward the precipice of perdition. Maybe we're meant to have a certain balance between the children of the darkness and the

children of the light. What do you mean? Equilibrium. And yet everything happens far away from equilibrium. Everything that's physically important. How interesting. What well is that good. We're speaking of a mistake.

What's going on? What do you mean? I don't know. Jack, throw some light. Analogously to the Paise effect, which takes place far from equilibrium where, you know, you can, you can see these novel behaviors.

In the book, you know, you have, you have average behavior. You have average outcomes. And so he's making an analogy to that. Well, yeah, I mean, you have, like, thermodynamic law around that. Right. Right. And then it does seem like,

it does seem like all these exotic effects that get into are like, a result of like, quote unquote, hierarchy physics. We're like extremely granular manipulation of, you know, materials or whatever. And so it's like it's you're really, you're pushing the boundary. It's like you have this, Ken Wilson was this stern physicist. You have this concept of renormalization. It's like, it was, it's really used to describe phase transitions and materials,

but it's like, you know, who was against it? He said, someone spoke against that idea saying that it's like, uh, is like putting infinities under the rug, is like sweeping infinities under the, was it fine, man? I don't know, but I'm just using really philosophically, just like pushing systems to their logical boundary in your case, the shortening way, one day. Right.

You get kind of weird effects. Like, it is a famous quote of Agnew-Bontin, he's sponsoring the Chapel Hill Conference and kind of creates quantum gravity, which sends physics down a cul-de-sat, constrict theory. Very strange what happened. Very interesting, but he's also hunting Towns and Brownswork back at the house.

And he says strange phenomena occur. And you have more incredible names. You have Bryce and Cecil DeWitt. Yeah. You have John Wheeler and you have Luce Whitten. I wanted to ask you, Bryce DeWitt in 1968 writes a paper about superconductors and gravitational drag. Does that connect with your work at all? No comment.

I think it's a lot of odd characters there the whole you know the whole conference you know that was sponsored by sponsored by right airfield yeah so very very interesting history and and agnew batson himself is the patron writes a book about man-made UFOs all the stars are too high actually it's about this plan to unite the world via this man-made UFO invasion but uh he also you know says strange things occur at high megawatts across short distances. And he's describing Townsend Brown's work. So it's clear that pushing things to the limit,

even plasma itself is the fourth energy state. We can't go beyond that, at least conceptually. It's right. You know, you get some greater truths by pushing the boundaries and science. It's true. It must always push the boundaries. Yeah.

But is that this Faustian-Promedian thing? Are you playing most? firewind push the boundaries. You're sort of eminentizing the, if tech is an apocalyptic forcing function, are you eminentizing the eschaton while you do that? And is that a bad thing? It's most certainly a point of inflection. That's a beautiful question. That's a great question. Gorgeous question. Thank you, Sal. It's true. Jack, you want to tag that one? It's most certainly a point of inflection forcing function, such that when you approach it, something perhaps some black swan event is going to take place.

And I think that's where we talk about things that are way far from equilibrium. These are founder events. The world is inflecting. We're in a weird timeline. Extremely, very strange, one in time. You know, things that there may be, you know, I've always said this,

and I will hold this to this to my dying breath. The whole idea is that I describe matter as condensed or rather, how do I say it? I say it in a certain way. Contained energy or rather energy that's contained is bound within fields and frozen in a quantum of time. You know what you said. Confined in a quantum of time.

That's it. Confined that regardless. of that. Yes. That came, no joke, out of the quantum vacuum. I choose not to use the term ether because Einstein was so much against the idea of Lufth, even though he introduces it in 1921 on a paper. And not everybody goes back on it.

He says actually the ether is compatible with. But again, our orthodox physicists that already believe me of pseudoscientists and crackpot and shop, I don't want to force you think that in your lifetime on a sort of more mass audience scale you get vindicated in your work it's a dream brother

it's an absolute dream do you know how many tears and sweat and blood and freaking nightmares and sleepless nights I've had it just that's why the lack of paper means so much to me

That's why I honor that man. You know, we're supposed to not like the Russians and not like the Chinese. We all people, brother. We all people. And that's why sometimes I pray for this external enemy. Because it's the one thing that would create a forcing function to unify us once and for all. A united earth as it should be. Do you think you should want to know that right?

No, please. But put off, absolutely. He did so. Oh, yes. Dr. Puto, that paper is one of the papers that got me thinking. He's so early on every year. He's just implicated.

I'm pretty sure that he's had many a sleepless night too and concerned about what others have. Well, he's 88, and he's still completely leased. I saw him maybe a month and a half ago or something. We watched James Knox his documentary. Gary, he's just sharp as attack. He's just, he's an incredible. He's what a mind that man.

And I, you know, I felt, especially when I, you know, I met him, you know, maybe 2018-ish, 2019. And like, I felt really crazy and thinking about it on all this stuff now, like, in vogue. Like, you know, UFO celebrities. Back then, I felt totally quacking because I was like really in a lot of sense. He was like the one guy who I felt like was, you know, somewhat credible who, who really, there's a risk.

It's very incredible. I think. But because... The deeper Afghanistan is, I realize he is. And just for context for the audience, Magenta was a rumored crash, I believe, in Bologna, Italy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That ended up, it was in Italy's hands for like the next 11, 12 years. It was actually remembered to be held at the Vatican at some point. And then it was going to answer to the U.S. Well, I think it, we do think it maybe went to Germany, but we don't know when for sure or whatever. but and grush wouldn't speak to when it came here and the plant and all of that but yeah some heavy physics there it's interesting

it's possible it was a first one-off vehicle that we had at some point before roswell that you know was at right field or something like that so you think that picture of the because you see pictures of calmsia stuff you know and and dresla you know and then yeah pills in you know and check the samaki in poland and um you see this testererig

That's like shape like, you know, it looks like an acorn or vell or something to be fit in there. You think they were testing? Maybe. The magentic rat. I've heard it's also very active on that. I mean, why have that shape at all? Why that shape in particular? Yeah.

And then it was transferred maybe a right pad or something. Right. Like at the end of the war when we got in or something like that. That would be a very interesting piece. Or if it wasn't any. If it's true, it's because the implications of it. But so do you think that was a UFO crash? You don't know.

But like in 1933, you don't have some sophisticated bell on your building. I was like, need to brow and crap. Again, the place effect, 1890s visits. Okay, okay. So you think people, like maybe Girloff figured this up. What I'm worried about is Walter Bosley, you know, the friend of Dr. Joseph Farrell, Walter Bosley, the whole idea of Nenza. Who the fuck were these guys?

The airship, quote, unquote, mystery. What's going on here? Because that's around Headyside, Sign, that speaks to the bike. Yeah, but that's a really quick, quick translation from physics to engineering. You think the 1890s airships? There was some engineering geniuses back there.

Look at Nikola Tesla. But that would just be wild. That's beyond belief to me. What if it's all fucking connected? You think it could all be human stuff from the 1890s? on, all of the records could be gone, you know. I mean, that's just a crazy cover row.

And just use the empty craft kind of, because they never, again, I believe their fucking craft touches on manipulation of the super force. Yeah. How the fuck do you do that? How do you manipulate something at the plant scale? I keep that secret for 140 years. That seems great. They also didn't have a lot of the material, technology.

advances yet, you know, sometimes survival makes you crazy. They would need some sort of parapsychological root access to, you know, control. They would need, you know, they would need the mind stuff. That or possibly a brotherhood of the occult. Yeah, something like that, like a breakaway civilization. Like that. Breakaway civilization arriving at some insights. Read up on Dr. Fowler's ideas and a breakaway civilization.

Also, Dolan, don't forget Richard Dolan. But who in the 1890s would have been privy to Havisides, insights in a way that allowed them to finance the building of, you know, these exotic crowd? No, there's some powerful families back then. I'm not going to name names. These are still extremely powerful. Put it this way, it's much better that we know certain names,

but we don't know the invisible ones. Because touching, even on the invisible ones, existence is not a good idea and impact our survival and again none of us here are suicidal we love a being alive absolutely absolutely yeah it's right no it's yeah yeah let's not go there change the direction of us all i was going to say was i was i was in graduate school during uh uh pulse ic fusion work when uh i went to a conference to present i was introduced to erc davis how put on Fjongolet and Sunny White. Oh, Sunny White.

Right. Now, she mentioned Sunny White during OSAP, it turns out. Yeah, this was helping write that book at the time for BVB. What a book. What a book. That book opened my eyes, man. Yeah.

So you think Sunny White, you know, is, was a NASS engineer. Eagle was tried. Eagle works, sir. And he was trying to implement the Alcabir work drive. And I think now we should have funded by DARPA, he's a company called Limitless or something like that. Do you think there's anything to... Oh, absolutely.

Dr. White is right on the money. You think so? Oh, yeah. Because NASA's... Have you noticed he hasn't published anything lately? Always a sign. Yeah, right. Yeah, and I think they said it failed.

There's no things. That shit happened right before in English. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway. So this like Hampton, you know, Lingly and encouraging in last year that we now are understanding, you know, happened. You know what I'm talking about?

You have an air force base. You have a 17-day incursion where it seems like drones are swarming around in the area in our airspace. We have no defense against this. It seems like there's maybe a mothership, Chris Allen, so there's a mother shift. What do you think about that? What do you make of it? Let me ask one crucial question here.

I don't know why people don't ask these questions. Fine. Safety of life. If they're important, yes, was anybody killed? Yes or no? I believe so. I don't know that they would, I mean, if it were, it would be highly concealed. Do you think maybe?

I don't think anybody was killed. That should be an answer to you, Chris. I'm not going to go further. Is it extraterrestrial? I'm not going to go further. Interesting. Yeah. Again, there's E.T. Tech and there's man-made tech.

Many roads eat to Rome, but there's only one via. Yeah. If it's adversarial, it's awful conflagrationally. And if it's some advanced tech, they've got it way away from their shoulders. Yeah. Over our territory where it could be down and captured by us and assess attribution, do any reverse engineering. It's the only reason I'm skeptical of an adversarial origin.

At the same time, there were witness reports that they could hear them, There were like lawn mowers. They were on a ton of what we do you do with that, you know. I think we remember the reverse engineering part. Lazar speaks to this, how, why he was there to begin with. He was there as a replacement for someone that had gotten killed trying to what, use a blow torch to go through this. Again, again, why did they never crack that?

Because, because their bucket physics talks to engineering the super force. I don't think we can do that. But I think they're man-made tech that can go around. And again, the most complex of problems has the simplest of solution depending on perspective. What if we found another perspective? John is the same problem. So you have spoken publicly with a guy named Ashton Forbes, who is a big part of these MH-370. videos. And these are these videos where you see these three

orbs and they seem to circle. The damage 370s, this Malaysian aircraft. It was on CNN for like, you know, a couple of months. And it seemed like the civilian aircraft carrying passengers just disappeared in the Southeast Asian territory. And this guy, Ashton Forbes, took to Twitter maybe around a year ago saying he thinks this is man-made tech and that the craft was somehow teleported out of the sky. What do you think? Don't forget Dave Rossi's fourth orb.

That's why Ashton now goes by four orbs, corbs. I understand. Four orbs. There must be four orbs. Remember the whole idea that once you open the black hole, what, there is a white hole. But the three, the three orbs would have your three axes, hence your point of origin. But there must be a destination.

So there must be a fourth hole. You need a negative mass. There must be a fourth orb. So you think this is, it's not me. Dave Rossi came up with this idea that there must be a fourth world. I think he's won't right on the money. Dave Rossi is a very interesting engineer that should be looked into as well. Very smart.

Brilliant. Teleport a commercial airplane and where did the airplane end up? Is it the plot? All I'm saying is when I saw that thing open up, I saw the Pice Effect in action. And I told Ash and Ford, that was his first podcast, Hard Troops podcast. I told him, this is the Paice attack from God. So you think we have room talk about Der Siebert coming in public too? Those orbs also speak to AGI, artificial general intelligence, autonomy, air autonomy.

So we're talking about artificial singularity. I think, I don't know. It's funny, I just interd-da-da. I just interviewed Matthew Pines, and he goes, there's an iron triangle. He goes, he goes, AI, quantum, and the grush stuff. He says, he was talking to somebody. He was like, you know, deep in national security world or whatever. And he was like the triangle, the connection between those three things is somehow this incredible technological scene.

Again, both domain disciplines coming together. fusion of these ideas resounding into what? Disruptic technology, exactly what Jack was talking about. Very interesting. I hope one day you give your correct name because you're brilliant. People should know you as you are. You're welcome. Do you think that any of this stuff makes it into our civil infrastructure? I mean, we're sitting in decaying weaponization by God forbid a third party, not even a country. I don't think this is hard to engineer, trinidad don't. So leave it there. So basically the physics stagnation, we have to, our physics has to be stagnated. Can you imagine some nut, some effing person that hates the world?

Engineering this? Well, my hope is that these nanostructure and 3D lattices turn out to be really hard to make. Interestingly, it would be fabs like TSNC, the 2-9mmeter structures. You would need sub-nanometer, maybe the sub-extrum is 10 to 9 meters or not a nanometers 10 to the nanometers to the nanometer to manufacture the structures.

But what if there's another way? What if there's a resonance-based way of fabrication? That's not based on material composition. There's not based on fabrication method or fabrication, protocols, procedures. That's simple. Interesting. You don't want to not

figure that out. That would be bad. That would be a bad day in hell. Or heaven, either way. What do you want the world to know? What sort of message do you have for people aren't there? We need to unify.

100%. Need unification. We need people to come together. And if, if, If these ideas can bring them together, then so much better for it. But too many things are dividing us now. And what we need is a unifying factor. Do you want to build the UFO to take us over?

I want, what I want to build is something that can defeat an external enemy, one that's external to Earth. So let's say somewhere close to Proxima Santoria, as we're speaking right now, an alien and our martyrs being formed. I would like for us, us, everyone in this room to come together and with other people bring together our minds to create in what, what, see, one thing about what Dr. Eric Weinstein is saying is that he thinks that the best of the best, the greatest physicist should be brought together to come up with these ideas. I think even Joe the Plummer

can contribute, given common sense and enough knowledge. As a matter of fact, look at Ashton Forbes. I am completely surprised what he's been able to achieve in almost a year, studying this physics on his own. Look into his podcast. This guy has come up quite a bit. He does not have a a physics pedigree. Again, what a shoulder plumber comes up with the greatest physics idea of the moon, whatever that may be. But one, again, that helps us come together as an earth. This interview is coming on the backs of congressional hearings,

Nogesit in D.C. around the existence of non-human intelligence and unidentified anomalous phenomena, but also programs. thereof, housed in the government around data collection, quarantining these UFOs, tracking them, that sort of thing. What did you think of the revelation of immaculate constellation, this idea of this top secret program around UFOs? Do you mean immaculate constipation? Because I believe such little information was excruited from those hearings that one could not fathom. for example, coming together, unifying these concepts into something that can save us, homo sapiens, sapient from an external enemy.

If we continue on with this trickle-by-trickle disclosure, this farce, again, immaculate constipation, will get nowhere, absolutely nowhere. Do you think that there are deeper programmed than immaculate consolation? You think that's sort of... I guarantee that arrow. will get nowhere in no time at all. So in other words, nothing will come of it again. You should come with me.

They'll generate another great report that will say absolutely nothing. So there's a Senate hearing this coming week into error of his activities and error of his recent report. You should come with it. That would depend on my higher ups. And I would, because of my,

anyway, because of certain, Personal issues, I'll need a ride. If my higher-ups decide, I would be ofuse gladly. But again, please let someone drive in there. I need a drive. That's all. Do you have anything else? You want to get in Dinger?

Let him again. Dr. Salpaeus is an absolute honor. We appreciate you, dear, miss. The honor was all mine, sir. And please, you are our intellectual equal. trust me certain things you've said during the interview

make me say that I would not say that otherwise I don't just come up with stuff like addition instincts and you know maybe I would know whatever it is it is a glimmer of hope

and we need all the hope we can have appreciate that man I appreciate the hat I remember what I'm yes sir please please do yes it looks really good

woohoo looks good but all right All right. All right, bro. Ian.