American Alchemy with Jesse Michels - Steven Greer: “UFO Secrets Are Held By A Global Cabal”

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Dr. Steven Greer goes deeper than ever before, revealing how secret programs have weaponized alien contact and suppressed transformative technology. Greer reveals high-level briefings, attempted assassinations, and a hidden cabal operating beyond presidential oversight. He claims these operations have staged false flag UFO events, manipulated sitting presidents, and buried free energy breakthroughs. We have a fun candid conversation where he calls me an uninformed UFO dilettante multiple times 😂🤷🏻‍♂️. I don’t agree with Greer on many things but his contributions to UFO disclosure are incontrovertible. Dr. Steven Greer's Website ➤ https://drstevengreer.com -------------------------- Brunt: Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code [JESSE] at https://bruntworkwear.com/JESSE #BRUNTpod Qualia: Resist aging at the cellular level, try Qualia Senolytic. Go to https://Qualialife.com/JESSE for up to 50% off and use code JESSE at checkout for an additional 15% off. For your convenience Qualia Senolytic is also available at select GNC locations near you. MUDWTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code JESSE at https://mudwtr.com/JESSE ! #mudwtrpod -------------------------- ***JOIN OUR WHOP (Exclusive Episodes & Group Calls) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels ***Become a Member of American Alchemy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuG2KzrIMe3qoNcuDVpwnXw/join -------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 1:30 Steven Greer Background 4:26 The Disclosure Project 5:47 The Role of the Deep State 8:27 Historical Ties to Fascism 11:28 Nazi Technology and Its Legacy 13:31 The Roots of Covert Programs 15:06 Advanced Technologies and Energy Independence 16:48 Whistleblowers and Their Risks 20:24 The Criminal Conspiracy 22:23 The Shadow Government 27:01 Identifying Truth in Disinformation 31:20 The Origin Story of CE5 37:37 Contact with Beings 44:25 The Influence of Powerful Families 47:05 Understanding Abduction Cases 50:06 The MJ12 Controversy 51:48 Corporate Interests and Government Secrecy 54:34 The Maze of Disinformation 58:22 The Importance of Truth 1:04:14 Protecting the Future of Humanity 1:06:21 The Complexity of Extraterrestrial Narratives 1:10:18 The Secrets of Black Projects 1:13:51 The Philadelphia Experiment Unveiled 1:15:45 Advanced Technologies and Their Dangers 1:18:28 The Crisis of Disclosure 1:20:16 The Connection to Political Figures 1:26:31 The Role of the Military-Industrial Complex 1:33:40 The Foundation of the Disclosure Project 1:38:34 Uncovering the Dark Side of Education 1:46:21 The Future of Energy Technology 1:53:36 The Impending Energy Crisis 2:03:28 The Influence of Media and Disinformation 2:14:08 Political Manipulation and Cover-Ups 2:19:06 The Interplay of Science and Power 2:22:35 Whistleblower Protection 2:26:24 Evidence of Disclosure 2:33:18 The Shadow Government 2:36:27 The Choice Ahead 2:44:23 National Security Concerns 2:50:06 The Fight for Free Energy 2:52:59 Fear as a Control Mechanism 3:02:19 The Nature of Contact 3:05:37 Meeting with High Officials 3:10:29 Understanding Hybridization 3:17:58 Alien Agreements and Eisenhower 3:28:40 Call for Action 3:34:09 Conclusion -------------------------- SPOTIFY ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify INSTAGRAM ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TWITTER ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican EMAIL/BOOKINGS ➤ [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah. In either blackmail threats or money or position. I said sit on it and rotate. Why are you so controversial? Just let me finish. Let me finish the story. You keep interrupting me, but I will tell you if you'll let me finish. The really high-tech stuff, they slammed into a box.

It would liberate every home, every car, every factory, every country. Yeah. Into energy independence, no pollution, and no poverty. Here's a warning. So you money-grubbing horrors. It's going to be open-sourced. So I've been doing this one hell of a long time since I was 35. I thought everything that went bumping the night was alien.

I did. And it wasn't until I started having people come forward who said, oh, we piloted these, and then I had guys come forward who had actually been on the abduction squad, made to look like aliens. Whoa. And they said, oh, no. You met people who, like, committed those crimes. Wow.

Yeah, and they feel terrible later in life. The folks who know about this, they need to come clean truthfully soon. This is getting very serious right now, whether you're in Congress, the Senate, the public, or someone on your podcast, they need to be arrested and tried for treasoning. and sedition against United States. Does that involve storming Area 51 and Dougway and the right pad? What is this involved? Literally. This week's long-awaited American alchemist is Dr. Stephen Greer.

Love him or hate him, this medical doctor-turned-UFO-Truthseeker, has played a big part in modern disclosure that can't be ignored. If you are trying to get closer to the truth, you just can't really throw out his foundational research, the Disclosure Project Archive and his whistleblower. testimonies. He's gathered more firsthand UFO witnesses than anyone on the planet, and humanity owes him a debt for that. In my opinion, speaking to Dr. Greer is like panning for gold. If you get past some of his antics, there's a ton of value there. I've been told by people not to do this

interview because of those antics. I don't really care for being told who I should and shouldn't speak with. Talking to someone on a podcast is not in any way an endorsement of all of their beliefs, so I decided to sit down with him. The one caveat I will include here is Dr. Greer goes after just about everybody in UFO world and hurls out a ton of ad hominemes. If I had tried to perfectly referee all of his accusations, this would have turned into an unintelligible and endless argument about who the bad faith actors are in UFO world, although I generally agree with him there are probably many. So instead, I tried to show appreciation for his incontrovertible contributions to UFO disclosure and to learn what I could from him.

So without further ado or disclaimers, please enjoy this special long-form episode with this week's American alchemist, Dr. Stephen Greer. I'm here with Dr. Stephen Greer. I'm so excited to do this. This has been a long time coming for me because I've explored a lot in UFO world. Sure. And you are really responsible for all. A lot of disclosure. I mean, a lot of the, most of the whistleblowers who've come out have had a touch point with

you before they've gone public. And so, disclosure project is your kind of organization. You have an archive with terabytes of data, documents that go incredibly deep on the cover-up. You've also made a couple of great movies, unacknowledged, the lost century about suppressed science. And the new one that just came out, the Battle for Disclosure. And the Battle for Disclosure. And then you've given me this incredible, this briefing. For the president.

We cleaned it up and redacted things. Okay. And then made it available to the public so everyone can get it now. So you'll have 90 plus percent of what the new president has. That's pretty awesome. The Disclosure Project Briefing Document 2025. So have you spoken to Trump or his team? I can't talk about the who, the names.

But very senior people relevant to this issue in national security. So as soon as the election happened, even before. So some of his closest advisors and major funders have been on my team and are supportive of this. And some of them that are new to that world, and just to be clear to everyone, I'm nonpartisan. So I've dealt with all the way back to Clinton and the Obama and John Podesta all the way forward to now. So my institute and the Disclosure Project is completely a nonpartisan. It has to be. And only nonpartisan is global because I do the same thing for Europe, Australia,

Great Britain. I was just in Great Britain in September. So we're assiduously, carefully nonpartisan. With that said, this administration, I think the first administration, since Bill Clinton tried to fix this problem in his first term, is most open to perhaps pursuing it. We'll see. That would be very exciting. Well, this brings up this kind of perennial question because

I think a lot of people associate this topic with the quote-unquote deep state. And they also associate Bill Clinton with the quote-unquote deep state. And so how deep is the deep state that deals with this topic? If you have Bill Clinton kind of knocking on the door of the program and not getting let in, what are we talking about as far as a power structure here? Well, it's exactly what Eisenhower described when he went out of office in 61. In January of 61, he left and Jack Kennedy came in. And he said, beware the military industrial complex.

It'll become a threat to our way of life and excessive secrecy will destroy democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but you can read the speech. The same thing that Jack Kennedy said in a number of speeches. And then we know for a fact, and I know the people who have the actionable intelligence on this. Jack Kennedy was killed over this issue. And the constellation of programs attached to UAPs, and particularly the science and technology branch of it, which we'll get into. That's two big pillars here keeping it secret.

They want people to go out publicly, and we know who they are, who will spin the subject in the direction of it being an alien threat for the purpose of a totalitarian super state uniting the world against aliens, which is a total hoax and nonsense. And that's, you know, it's like the movie Independence Day or the War of the Worlds or whatever. You know, like when Will Smith goes, let's kick alien butt, right?

That whole script was like at a CIA central scripting casting. Not that Will Smith is, he's a great guy, but it was reached out to us and very interested. But I think that the trajectory of this goes back to the late 50s, probably earlier, but definitely the decapitation of the presidency happened on Eisenhower's watch. And we know that Jackie Gleason knew this and some people that in my early days as a young doctor when I first started this, I got to know some people who had known Eisenhower.

And like one of our whistleblowers way back then, when we kicked off the whole disclosure project effort in the mid-90s, It was called Project Starlight code name. We were private. And then it went public in 01 with the National Press Club that had 800 million people see it. And then 9-11 happened a few months later as a direct consequence, which I don't want to get into that much. But this was going to get blown wide open. Interesting. They needed a diversion.

So they created something called 9-11, and they're sort of stuck in that world for 20 years. But what's fascinating about this so-called deep state is that it was a carryover out of World War II. And it started when a man who was one of the original founders of CIA, Alan Dulles, it was OSS during World War II. The other thing was a guy named Paul Mellon. And Mellon was one of the few billionaires in the world at the end of World War II. I mean, having billions of dollars in 45? Amazing. So Paul Mellon's grandson, who is John Warner the fourth, the son of Senator John Warner,

I got to know years ago. And he said, look, the first time I walked into his house at the water gate is to a huge place on the water. And John Warner, the fourth, not his father, the Senator Warner, but John Warner, He can I walk in and he goes, oh my whole family are fascists. I went, well, I said, oh yeah. So his grandfather, Paul Mellon, so Warner, his father had married Paul Mellon's daughter. So it's very familial. This runs family back, way back. And he said, yeah, I mean, he was a huge supporter of Adolf Hitler and fascism. So was Henry Ford. So was Watson of IBM. So these were all hardcore.

It was Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's dad. They were known to be big supporters of fascism. They were at Union Bank, Brown Brothers Harriman. Yep, all that. Chase Manhattan, the whole thing. So that was put into kind of stasis for a few years until we won, I call it the Battle of World War II. And then those people sort of covertly surfaced after World War II. There's a story of John Warner the Fourth and he's having martinis, I believe, with with That's what I'm talking about. And he admitted this and admitted going over and getting a Nazi disc. That's right.

That was not a ramjet. It was actually electro-gravitic. And my grandfather said, look, we were in a facility, a hangar, and we saw a German flying disk. And I said, you know, oh, is that the one that was cobbled together with six BMW jet engines? And he laughed and he said, no. Now some of them are extraterrestrial. Yeah.

I don't use the word alien because people think it's. someone from Guatemala or something, but an ETV, an extraterrestrial vehicle or NHA craft, non-human intelligence craft, that's not what he brought back. It was a Nazi early prototype, but it wasn't stable. It took us from 1945 to 1954 to master what's called gravity control. Yeah. And I have a man who is a whistleblower, but privately, who is the top scientists at the Naval Research Labs, who has passed away, so I'll say his name is Richard Foch, F.O.C.H. Rick had been in the vault and saw the documents for the date we mastered gravity control, and it was October in 1954. So beginning in the late 50s forward, many of the UAPs, UFOs, whatever the

new fake word is they're using for these things. That's also out of CIA. We'll talk about the word usage and how it's a mine colonization. It's a mine fuck, excuse my language. But to think how these guys think, right? You had to have to get at their level. And so from there forward, they said they had captured or shot down a couple of ET craft, but they weren't starting from zero. They already had that, right? The Nazi disc. They had the T-Towns in Brown, electro-revittics, which became the foundation of RAND Corporation, by the way. And so, That's interesting because I know Townsend Brown did some experiments in the 60s, right before his work got kind of covertly transferred to Northrop Grumman for the B-2,

and he did a presentation for Rand Corporation, and then something happened. And so... But that started in the 20s. Well, his experiments, yeah. Okay. So late 1920s, they were using very high voltage material resonant frequencies, certain frequencies of very high voltage, but low power. Not a lot of current.

Yeah, low current, yeah. Low current. If you understand electromagnetism and power is, you know, the current times the voltage, right? The fact is that he was able to hit a sweet spot with certain crystalline materials. High K-dialectrics. Yeah, that would then levitate. Yeah. Float.

That was 28, 29. It was reproduced in Germany in the Kalski-Frost experiment. All this is in, by the way, the Disclosure Project in time. Intelligence Archive, we've released it all, DPIarchive.com. Is that it? DPIarchive.com. And so I go, anyone who wants to see it, it's there. If you can read, you'll learn it.

But, so that percolated along. So the covert programs with this go way back to the turn of the last century. Yeah. Late 1800s, early 1900s. There are still top secret files on this issue from the late 1800s and early 1900s. We know this. Wow.

way back. Fascinating. Yeah, it is fascinating. And how do you know that? It goes that far back. Because one of the very top people since 1979 at the CIA who's worked this issue is an intel source for me. So what is the secrecy? Because we think we associate it with the CIA, which was formed in 47, even OSS was 42 through 45. Yeah. So like if this was like late 19th century, is it Office of Naval Intelligence? Is it secret societies? Is it both? What's up guys? I want to tell you about my new favorite. boots. These things are epic. I've been wearing these everywhere. They're called Brunt. They're insanely comfortable and durable. These things last for years and they're super versatile. I wear them for hiking, for hanging out. They look pretty swaggy if you're going out.

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See, people forget Nikola Tesla, not the fake Tesla cars with a little toy battery, you plug in. Now I'm not talking about the fake Tesla. I'm talking about Nikola Tesla. You know, as Einstein was asked, what's it like being a genius? And he goes, I wouldn't know you should ask Nikola Tesla. See, I think that was the real genius. I agree with you. Of the 20th century. Him and Townsend Brown in my mind. Yes. And Faraday, Maxwell, they all had stumbled across this electromagnetic effect. So this is when I say we have a hundred, the last century, Everyone goes to see this documentary.

It's a documentation of 100 years of lost technologies that are really advanced. And I don't mean the crap out of Silicon Valley. It's just peripheral garbage, iPhones, all that stuff. That's not high-tech. None of it. So the really high-tech stuff, they slammed into a box. Because it would liberate, this is a libertarian's dream. It would liberate every home, every car,

factory, every country, into energy independence, no pollution, and no poverty. But then that undercuts this Uber elite oligarchy, the super powerful trillion dollar. I'm not talking to Elon Musk, a couple hundred billion. Nobody cares about $200 billion. We're talking hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets. Can I say where I might disagree with you? I think we have these novel effects in the black around Townsend Brown, electrogravatics, things like that, extended electrodynamics. And then I'm not so sure, you might be right, but I'm not sure that we have like scalable zero point energy that could like take out the grid.

Do you have high confidence that we have? I have 100% knowledge of it and absolutely. Really? Absolutely we have it. And you know what? The CEO of a Fortune 50 company, I'm sorry, chairman, not CEO, who's retired now, has approached us. Last year, as soon as he did, he had a wet-works assassination team threatened to kill him and his entire family and grandchildren. So he's 80 now. But he wants to come forward,

and the first thing he said is, we could have had free energy for the world, and quote, decades and decades ago. Absolutely true. Is this company a defense prime, or is it? I won't comment except it is one of the, it's a household name in the United States. Wow. And this is the former chairman. And he came to you saying, Yes. I want to get this out. Yes, but of course, this is why we'll get to this in a little while,

why some of the executive orders and things in Congress we've been working on provides ironclad protection, not just legal, but physical, like federal martial protection or Secret Service, to the HVT, high-value targets, very high-value whistleblowers. Because we have several categories of whistleblowers. I have 760-some whistleblowers that I've debriefed. Some of them are at such a high level that they're in serious risk.

It's not a conspiracy theory of just being whacked, right, killed, and their families. And we have to protect them. So the president needs to sign an executive order and the Congress needs to enshrine in law, which they almost did in December of 23 a little over a year ago. But that got gutted in the reconciliation. of the National Defense Authorization Act, and the part of it that I had helped consult on for Senate Intelligence Committee,

because I've been in the skiffs there and done things for them, that got taken out. And the reconciliation by some devils who are in the House of Representatives. We know who they are. And one of them got removed. Mike Turner.

He got removed because I blew the whistle on it. I said, that guy out. Because here's the problem. If you are carrying water, for a criminal conspiracy, a transnational corrupt organization, which is what this is, that is committing murder abductions. Alien abductions are covert human programs, by the way, 100%. I mean, that's the other big secret nobody knows. Then you're also committing embezzlement of monies, black budget money that's being embezzled that the president and Congress have no

knowledge of, you're murdering people, take the whole federal penal code, throw it at these people. So where I am at this point, because in June I'll be 70, so I've been doing this for one hell a long time since I was 35. My view of it at this point is we're going to have to get serious against these criminal elements, but if you're carrying water for them, if you're one of their shills or cut out, whether you're in Congress, the Senate, the public, or someone on your podcast, they need to be arrested and tried for treason and sedition against United States. I'm going on the record and say that, and this is seriously being discussed. So I'm issuing this as a warning. This chicanery and nonsense, one way or another, is going to come to a screeching halt because there are people,

not just me, I've been saying this for 30 years. You go back and see what I saw in the the meetings with the Clinton people back in 95, 93, 94, 95. I briefed the CIA director for Clinton in December 13th of 93. Wow. So, I mean, before probably you were born. But the point I'm making is that this is a really huge problem. So even if you're a low-level operative, you're just carrying water for this messaging, right? And disinforming the public or blocking bills, you are part of a criminal.

operation. And RICO, racketeering-influenced corrupt organization, conspiracy, can be invoked and grab them all up. Speaking of Clinton, his Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon, has been responsible for pushing a lot of, you know, disclosure post-2017, this article with Leslie Kane, these videos that have come out, he and Lou Elizondo in the New York Times. how do you square that with Paul Mellon being one of the founders of the CIA? Because all three of the people you named are being told to tell part of the truth. And the partial truth is actually more damaging than saying nothing. So if you tell people, one, we don't know what these are.

So all three of them say, so UAP, we don't know what they are, both malarkey. We're in Texas cowpods. I mean, it's just nonsense. We know what they are. There are extraterrestrial vehicles, N. H.I. vehicles. There are man-made ones. That's the majority that are seen now. That's the biggest secret.

And then there are things that are extra-dimensional. They're not from another star system, from another dimension. They're not craft. There are beans. All that gets put into a blender and confused on purpose. Are there any time travelers? To gas. Well, time and space is fungible.

Right? But I'm just, well, just stay on this for a minute. So if you're told, say this, but then misdirect the public on that, let me tell you how great counterintelligence works. You take truth, put it on the outside like a sweet coating, inside this nice little piece of candy is the poison pill. So they'll come out and they'll say, these are real, but we don't know what they are, and we don't know how they fly.

Big lie. Or they'll say they're a threat to the national security. Well, the man-made ones are because they're running by a transnational criminal organization out of the control of the White House and the Congress. What is that organization? Do we have a name for it? Oh, it used to be called Majestic 12. The last good name I can pinpoint on a document from the 90s from the NRO National

Reconnaissance Office was magic. Magic. Which is the majority joint intelligence committee, or just Magi. And they're a global, they're transnational organization. Oh, absolutely. That coincides with different governments, national governments, but basically has supersedes them, has power over them? Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's what, Senator Inouye, who is a Democrat, who is the chairman of the committee looking into Iran-Contra back in the 80s during the Reagan years, Hawaiian. And he said, but where, now he's the one who said, there exists a shadow or secret government

that's above the U.S. government. That has its own funding mechanism, its own Air Force, its own Navy. That's above the law and free from the law itself. I'm almost quoting. You can look it up. It's an archive. How do they stay coordinated in the world of like smartphones and stuff where, you know? How do it?

The regular guys at NSA don't have the level. to keep that organization out because they have technologies that penetrate time space that go beyond electromagnetic conventional encryption so do you think you've met any members of this majestic 12 or of course sure sure i have for sure interesting and that's why you know back in 92 yeah well i was on patrick david's show a couple weeks ago and he said you know what kind of i said well in 92 general stubblebine offered me two billion to to be part of his little cabal of goose-stepping fools. What did he say?

So Stubblebine is, what, Army Counterintel? He was, I think at one time he had been of Army intelligence and special forces. And his career dealing with UFOs goes back to the 60s. Really? Yes. So when did Stubblebine? I had an intel source who had worked with him way back then. Now remember, this is 1992.

So this is 33 years ago in May, this May. And Bet David thought, there's no way that was a serious, I said, oh, yeah, it was. Because he knew I could make a lot of trouble for them. And that would have been a bargain, $2 billion, because I've caused a lot more trouble. Did they ever offer to show you a UFO so that you would stop talking? No. I mean, look, no amount of money or threats are going to get me to stop the mission I'm on. That's to bring the truth out of this. and let us start a real golden age where we have all these technologies,

you know, with a super advanced society. Have you ever seen a UFO, not in the air, but in a hangar in like a... Oh, taken to one of those places? I've been in places where they have been. I have not seen this. Yeah. But I have many, many whistleblowers. See, one of my gripes with the House Oversight Committee,

they have not had a single legitimate whistleblower up there, who's a direct firsthand person. And I find it very, very, very odd. Yeah. Because I've met and discussed this with Grush and Luna and others. And I go, here's a hard drive. Yeah. Unredacted.

Well, you've spoken to David Grush? Yeah, well, I met, okay, let's go back a little bit. Yeah. I met with Grush when he was still an undercover operative. Okay. And no one knew he was. His bosses were the ones I was providing Intel to that helped him and other people get to find what he found. Who were his bosses?

I can't talk about that. Okay. There are people in, look, the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Armed Services had authorized, and a bill had been written the form, Arrow at the Pentagon, and have investigations on this. So the bosses in charge of that, at that level of intel, were the people who wanted him to go out. And one of them set up this meeting between me and Mr. Grush. Do you like David Grush? Do you feel like, do you find him to be an honest actor?

Oh, yeah, he absolutely, what he said about what he found, but again, he's secondhand. My whistleblowers are direct firsthand. He has said that he's actually had firsthand knowledge since getting that critique. So, and I don't know exactly what that is, but. Well, he's been pulled into sum up, but the problem is he got attached to a gentleman named Luis Elizondo, who is mainly there to provide partial truths. And this is what I was talking about earlier. So if you put out some information and then attach the disinformation to it, there's a threat.

We need to go to World War III in an alien battle. We don't have these technologies ourselves. We've never developed that advance. When I have direct people who've worked on built and flown the man-made UFOs. Right? So these are your high-value target whistleblowers. You have a whistleblower who's flown an alien reproduction vehicle, a UFO that we've Yes, and more importantly, the man who managed all the pilots, who flew them out of Edwards Air Force space.

Did he say what? Did he say what it was like to fly in a UFO? Well, they're control for 1G. Wow. So in other words, they could be going 200,000 miles per hour, stop, make a turn. And now, if you were in a conventional aircraft, even if you could go that fast, your brains would come out through your nose. Yeah, you'd tell you. Oh, yeah, G forces would just splatter you.

but they can control. So really what they are, they're moving in an electromagnetic field space-time bubble so that they can move as if there's none of that gravitational effect. Did he say he was feeling, like he would feel like he was going fast? You can feel mostly like 1G or a little lighter. Wow. So, yeah, you don't feel that centripetal force or centrifugal, you know. Aren't you ready to hit something at that speed? Like it's just so.

Well, if they do it right. They have. They've had some terrible disasters. I know two different people who've been on the retrieval teams of the triangular ones. So North at Grumman, my uncle, was on the team that designed the lunar module. Really? The first man on the moon. And his whole career is North at Grumman. Now, this was not his portfolio. But he heard things, right, because he was a senior project manager. Eventually moved out from Long Island, Bethpage, where they actually designed and built the lunar module. Land them. on the moon with Neil Armstrong to California. But he was, this was not his. Because you know, those special projects that call him within Northrop Grum and Lockheed Skunk Works are hermetically sealed from their normal business of jets and rockets and whatever, you know, the normal stuff. That's true of all these corporate contractors. It has to be because, I think about like, you know, Chinese eating our lunch in hypersonics right now. So like, how is that possible and consistent

with the fact that we have hyperlight drive ships, you know, like those two things. So they just don't talk to each other? You have these secret black programs. They don't even know each other exists. They don't know each other exists. And so the problem with that little of secrecy that Eisenhower are foretold is that that entity can then take on a life its own because of their technological capabilities, but not only in energy and propulsion, but in surveillance, right?

So we haven't talked about that yet. And this is where you get into the really high end of psionics that Jake talks about a little bit, that I've been talking about since 1990. So the cheap end of it is the remote viewing program that the CIA had, right? That's just the innate abilities and what Bob Monroe had with hemisink, remote viewing. What we do with CE5 contact. But the high end of it's an electromagnetic transdimensional interface with, consciousness and mind and technology.

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But, I mean, it's not like, you know, it's not like some science fiction. You hit a button and someone becomes an automaton. Right. I mean, the automaton's like Jake talked about, Jake Barber talked about, who are these P-3 operators, go through a rigorous training program so they can become. almost like a machine, human machine interface between the people controlling them and the ET vehicles. That's a very elaborate program. But what I tell people is that in the mid to late 50s, I had met a man who invented kind of a headset like he's wearing

that would basically put you in a state in consciousness so you could remote view distant places. 56. Wow. And he offered it to me, I said, this is going to be too hot to handle. It's dangerous enough what we're doing. If I have that, I'm a dead man. But the man was in his 80s by then,

because that was 50s, 6. This would probably have been in 93 or 4. All kinds of people started coming to me in the early 90s after we had 4 ET craft materialized in the air in Florida near Pensacola. Yeah. My whole intention was simply to go out and attempt to make peaceful contact with groups of people with the ETs.

But once the intelligence community saw that we knew how to do that, they came after me like a pack of rotwires. So, yeah, I want to tell that story. Like, how you got a nasty bit of business. So you were an ER doctor and then you just, did you just feel inspired to start going out and doing CE5 protocols? Or how did this all begin? Well, that's a very long story. Excuse me Just so people know

I just had emergency surgery last night For a ruptured appendix Yeah it's amazing that he's here It's a I mean I'm an open book folks But I mean it was like oh my God And as a doctor emergency doctor I go

This is bad my assistant Raven We go straight from Houston And drive to the Texas University Hospital I can't believe it And a friend of a friend knew a doctor, a surgeon there Who could like open me up and do it

But, you know, it was, you know, I got home from the hospital. You seem great to me. Oh, well. People say, you're a fucking machine. Anyway, but, well, you know what I told, I texted Jake before I got here? Yeah, and I said, Winston Churchill said, never, never, never give up. Yeah, I love that. So you just keep going.

Always. Yeah. But no, it's, I've been a little woozy. Hopefully I'm being coherent here. No, you're being super coherent. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

That's why I'm having some macho. Yeah, there you go. You're good. You're on point. So, okay, so the origin story. So you're an ER doctor. Well, I had a sighting first. Okay, you had a sighting. Well, I was eight or nine.

Wow, yeah, that's right. And with a bunch of kids in neighborhood, my twin sister in Charlotte, North Carolina, where I grew up. And I did a chapel residency, so I'm a North Carolina guy. And broad daylight, perfectly seamless disk. About 1963, probably. Wow. See, three, four. around the time Kennedy was killed.

And I went, wow, that's a UFO. I was a little kid. Now, my parents thought we were just like making stuff up, right? Parents should believe their children when they see stuff. Anyway, so I ignited an interest that I had lifelong. Then my uncle, I just mentioned, was working on putting the first man on the moon, which happened in 69 when I was 14.

I just turned 14. and so I got very interested in all of that. And then when I was 17, it was my last year high school, I got very sick. I had an injury and got infected. And I grew up, people don't know this, in a shack, very poor, no heat, no air conditioning. I had a kerosene heater in the floor. We were starving on the streets, literally.

We had all kinds of problems. So I ended up getting all my own and had an apartment in high school. I was tall and hairy, so everyone thought I was 20 when I was 16. A hilarious story. And so I washed pots and pans at a red lobster to get through high school and then would bicycle to school, but I got worn down and I got very sick. I had a near-death experience. So my parents were, didn't believe in God, didn't believe in anything, didn't believe in a soul,

didn't believe in an afterlife, didn't believe in consciousness. And then this, I went, well, are they wrong? There's a whole new cosmos out here. So I had this amazing near-death experience, which introduced me to the whole science of consciousness. Right? So about a month later, or a couple months later, on my 18th birthday, I learned meditation.

Back in the day, now I'm dating myself, 1973, when the whole zeit guys was transcendental meditation. meditation and the Maharishi and all that. So I learned to meditate and I had these amazing experiences in consciousness like cosmic consciousness, beautiful experiences. And that's where the near-death experience was, well, thank you God, that actually helped get me on a path. But six months later, October of 73, I'm up in the mountains of North Carolina if you're in the Blue Ridge Mountains up near Boone. And there's a, so I climbed up to mountain up over 5,000 feet and I'm up there before sunset to meditate and I look up and

that same craft well it looked the same I can't say it was the same one that I saw on when I was a kid when I was 8 now I'm 18 just turned 18 appears in the afternoon sky crystal clear October day what the craft look like it was a disc a seamless disc not a thin disk, but like, you know, kind of that shape. And seamless, the sun shining off of it, fully materialized, and then it didn't move off, it just disappeared. Wow. Because the interstellar ones could do it. They can be here and just boom. So I went, oh, they're back. I didn't think anything about it, right? I said, oh, that's cool. Another sighting. So I sit to meditate and go into deep meditation. And at the end of it, I come out of it, and it was very long, the longer than I thought

had gotten dark. So there was near sunset when I saw the craft, and it's October 73. And it was kind of beautiful because I looked up and you could see the whole Milky Way galaxy. It's crystal clear. And you're up over 5,000 feet up in the Blue Ridge. And at that moment, a beautiful thought came and said, beware what a beautiful universe God has made. And with that, I'd noticed over the rise of the top of the crest of the mount where I was, there was a fire tower I was sitting at the base of. The local was called it a fire tar. North Carolina, it's a fire tar, not a fire tower.

I looked, there was a glow, and then there was this creature that came over. And he, she, I don't know. was maybe about five feet tall, beautiful deer-like eyes, came over and touched me on my right shoulder. And at that time, I had a long hair and a lot of hair. And my hair went boing and it just stuck up. And then I boom, sort of vanished on this craft for about, I thought it was 40 minutes or so, or half hour to an hour,

somewhere, and it was like four hours. Wow. Because time space is different. And that's where we sort of co-created and invented the CE5 contact protocols we used. So you kind of downloaded it from that experience? Yeah. It was collaborative. It was like me experiencing that state of consciousness as a human in 1973 and them understanding

humans from where they are, which is thousands of years in the future. Wow. Right? So it was this very, people say metaphysical. It was very physical. and very real, but very, almost like a lucid dream. Because when you go into that state, it's almost like a lucid interface between 3D and 4 and 5 and 6D. You know, I mean, it's very abstract in a lot of ways.

Are there ancient versions of this protocol? Oh, sure. Okay. Native peoples, I think this is all such a revelation to just the last few hundred years since the scientific revolution where we threw the science of consciousness and spirituality out with the bathwater. Right. Right? Because it fell into the Middle Ages as a superstition and then burning witches at the state and all that,

that the scientific revolution said, and we don't want any part of that. But I think we're going to come into a time where the science of consciousness and this understanding is going to merge. And I know Jake Barber and others understand this with what we call science, because it is a science. and that's what I discovered by studying the Vedas and the ancient Sanskrit from India. It's not Hinduism, by the way, predates Hinduism and Buddhism. And so after this experience... Don't they have flying saucers in the text as well?

Oh, absolutely. Bhagavagita and the ancient divamanas. And these are thousands of years old. They predate Christ, Krishna. They predate all those. And there's like spinning mercury at the center or something? Well, that's maybe. Okay.

But definitely there were objects like that recorded thousands of years ago. So I said, well, there's really nothing that new under the sun, right? So at what point do all these intelligence and military people enter your life? So you have Colonel John Alexander who has a long history in UFOology, often debunking things, trying or attempting to debunking things. Well, that's his job. People do what they're told to do. Okay, okay.

Look, I mean, if you're someone on the payroll, And you're told you do this or we kill you or if you do it will make you very wealthy and comfortable for the rest of your life. Yeah. Most people aren't going to do what I'm going to do. Is that why? I said sit on it and rotate to stumble by. I'm sorry, it would be vulgar. The two billion. Yeah.

Do you have that in writing the offer? Oh, God, of course not. Don't be naive. I have witnessed it. I mean, he then went to my wife, tried to convince her. What I'm saying is that most people have a price. Yeah. in either blackmail threats or money or position or power.

Like I've known a couple billionaires. All they wanted to do is get access to the secret technologies and understand and see stuff. Bigelow was one of those. But I knew him at the Rockefeller Ranch in 93, right, when Rockefeller hosted all these folks. Lawrence Rockefeller, right? Yeah, yeah. Did he fund some of your work as well? Early on, he did.

And he got intercepted by some people on his team who were Knox, non-official covers for the CIA. It's so interesting, though, Rockefell, you have Mellon, Rockafel, like all these old families seems very interested in this sort of tech. Not just interested, but involved. Involved, okay. Lawrence was the philosopher king of the family. David. He seemed like a good guy, Lawrence. Totally.

But he was surrounded by devils. These people get, they don't know it. They get surrounded by these operatives. And it's like, you know, the expression, smile, smile, and be a villain. I've never heard that, but interesting. Well, in literature. Well, we need to re-institute education. Sorry.

Catch me up. I know. I'm terrible. Imagine growing up. My four daughters are, oh, my God. If I used the word they didn't, no, I say adivistic, I think. Go look it up. I think we need more shaming around cultural illiteracy like I just displayed, so I appreciate that.

I'm now extra motivated. No, no. I'm just ribbing you. Don't take me too seriously about that. But you're a smart guy. But, you know, it was quite clear that Lawrence had greatest intentions. But he also, he had said this to me. His brother, David Rockefeller and Jay Rockefeller, who had been chairman of Senate Intelligence,

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And that's where the Clintons would go in the summer for vacation to learn about this. But the ranch had this beautiful cabin on at Lodge. And we were late one night out on the deck. And he said, I asked him. I said, look, now this is September of 93. And remember, I'm very new to this, but I got pulled in very quickly after the intelligence community realized that we could make contact. but there were people who were friendly to this.

So you have the white hats and the black hats, let's say. There were people who wanted this to get fixed and people who never wanted this to come out, right? So the ones who don't are implacable enemies, the ones that do try to help, whether they're doing it overtly or covertly. And Lawrence was trying to help? He was trying to help, but his nephew

the Senator Jay Rockefeller and his brother, Chairman of Chase Manhattan. David Rockefell? Yeah, which came, yeah, David. They didn't want. He said, they are already jumping up and down on my nuts. That's what he said. For even having this meeting with you.

So I said, no, because I'd asked him, I said, we need help. And you can help us. So you feel like he got kind of stymied by his family? Family and later by people on his team that portray. Because he was funding John Mack as well, right? Yes, that was part of the betrayal. And he, I think he was, he was moved his funds over into people who meant well, like John Mac.

I knew John Mack pretty well. Did he like John Mack? Did he find him to be an honest actor? He was doing the best he could with what he knew. Yeah. So, but he's kind of a hero of mine. I think he's great. No, but if you're working with only two cards out of a 52 card deck.

Yeah. So he had two cards out of the 52 cards. For the audience, John Mack, head of the Harvard Psychiatry Department. They did all work with the abductions and stuff. Exactly. Childhood friend of Bud Hopkins who got into all these, started regressing people. But what they didn't know, every one of those cases that were being funneled to him,

were all done by humans. None of them were exorcretchen. I want to get into this with you because you've said, so one of the most famous cases, abduction cases in U.S. history, that I think the Obama's production team is now making a show on for Netflix or a movie on is the Betty and Barney Hill case of 1961. And you say that that was perpetrated by humans and not aliens. Well, it very likely was, but only because the mechanism how it happened would not be consistent

with interstellar transdimensional technologies. We also know that by that date, I think when that's 61 or something like that, We already had fully operational man-made electro-gravidic craft with people who were made to look like aliens and stage, what's called stagecraft, doing this. Now, John Mack didn't know that, but Hopkins didn't know that. You think we could do that, 61? We absolutely could have. Really? So what I'm saying is, here's what I'm trying to say.

I want to be very clear on this. I'm not saying no one's had contact with ETs. I did. I wouldn't be here if I hadn't had that contact. Jake had that consciousness contact with the egg he picked up. Profound, and I did too in 73. But, and it was beautiful. And these civilizations are completely, not only are they benign,

they be closer to an angel than a demon. But... That's what some of your critics say is you summon stuff and it can be not always good, you know? Oh, well, I mean, those are the religious nuts that are like, you know, end of the world eschatology fanatics. But there have to be some bad, like just like us, right? Oh yeah, I'm sure there are, but they're not allowed out of their solar system. You think so?

It's like, oh, I know that. So you think that's like... I know what the protocols are for, let's say, real space command, not the US Space Command. Do you believe in anything demonic in that world, in the world of the ET thing? See, now you just mixed up two of the three categories that I elucidated. There are extraterrestrial vehicles. or N.H.I. Craft. There are man-made lookalikes in facsimiles. And there are things from other dimensions that are really nasty. Okay. That are not extraterrestrial. And you're saying if you're

but they're being deliberately conflated by people like Jim Semiband and Elizondo and others to gaslight people in Congress. But wouldn't Jacques Belay have said that to you? Wouldn't he no because in the 80s he got taken in by that organization? You think Jacques Valet is is co-opted by He absolutely did get it. Really? 100%. We know. Who did it, how they did it, what he got.

Can he say anything more? No, I won't. I'm just saying we are not going to tolerate people who spread knowingly or unknowingly disinformation that could lead to an interplanetary war and the termination of life on Earth. That's what that agenda is. Don't be naive. How do you get the minds and hearts of people to unite against some totality? global threat unless they've been brainwashed for decades with abductions and mutilations and

false images and Hollywood movies that's what that is it's a CIA psychological warfare operation I don't get that vibe from Jacques Ville though I think he's a little deeper as far as he's much deeper now yeah no he's he's completely come out of that okay but back in the day uh-huh Like, astronaut Edgar Mitchell invited me to brief the Board of Noetic Sciences back years ago. And Jacques Valle and I were there for this weekend of this retreat. Eventually Claiborne Pell, Senator Pell came. That's really interesting. Claiborne Pell is, you know, Senator who is Biden's closest mentor.

And he was part. And Claiborne Pell, I found out later after he died, was part of this cabal. Well, he was interested in all this stuff. Yes, but he was also carrying water for that organization. Interesting. Yeah. So now, look, I mean, this has been a 35-year thing. When you say that organization, is that magic or what was there?

This covert transnational thing that we gave you the graphic for you guys and showed it to the bubble. Well, it is interesting what was rumored. So the MJ12 documents came out from 84. It was a string of documents, 84 into the 90s. Yeah, I'm aware. And in the Majestic 12 was a guy named Detlev-Bronk. And Debtlev Brank was, I believe, president of the Rockefeller. foundation for a little bit.

Yes. Look, all the big industrialists. So first of all, let's ratchet this back a little bit. Yeah, sure. What the definition of fascism is. Nowadays, if someone disagrees with you, you're a fascist. Everyone's a Nazi. Everyone's a fascist.

Let's put that aside. The actual definition of fascism is very powerful industrial corporate interest taking over and overly influencing the government are we the people and corrupting and are moving it in the direction so that the government is serving the interests of those large oligarch corporate interests.

So in the industrial revolution in era, it would have been that crowd, JP, you know, Morgan, Rock, now it's the big tech companies and others. We know how it works. You know, I have a guy who's with NSA who was in meetings with some of the senior C-suite people it a major tech and telecommunications company sort of colluding. Well, we know from Snowden.

Completely illegal stuff, right? We know from Snowden, they had backdoors, they had Bull Run and Prism, and I don't think this was done unbeknownst to Google and Apple. And so we know that they're- Oh, it was worth of cooperation. Yeah. All right. But it reaches a point where it also becomes collusion between the element within what is being called the deep state, which is a misnomer in a way.

But let's just call it that and these corporate interests. Because they have an interest in not letting the public know the truth because the truth leads inexorably to the release of the tech that's going to terminate oil, gas, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelectric, all of it. What do you think of Bob Lazar? So Bob Lazar, obviously, famous UFO whistleblum. Claimed to be at S-4, a special compartment of Area 51, in 1987, some files get put on George Knapp's desk from this CIA cargo pilot named John Lear saying,

here's this guy, Bob Lazar, and he's been reverse engineering craft, and the craft looks like Billy Myers' sports model, it's this UFO. Do you think Bob Blasar is legit and actually worked at Area 51 on reverse-engineer craft? You know, I have had no one corroborate that. So if you follow what I do, if I, have information on the UFO's interest in our nuclear programs, I'll have half a dozen, a dozen guys who don't know each other, who have not colluded or synced up their stories to confirm that. I've not had anyone confirm his presence there at that time in what he actually

saw. Now, I think he probably saw something. He was there a short time. So what he must might have been provided was part information and part disinformation and a controlled leak happened. I think to gaslight. Okay, let me explain how very sophisticated counterintelligence works. Again, you have information as that's the sweet candy on the outside. But then quite unwittingly, I think he could have been given some false information because things were beginning to come out and they wanted to gaslight people off the path. He admits that. He admits that. He says maybe, because he was, to drink a liquid.

Yeah. And then he was given information that looked like the same information Rick Doty gave Linda Moulton Howe and Paul Benowitz in 79. Happens all the time. Yeah. Happens all the time. Interesting. So you think that's what's so tough about this topic is there's always disinfo riddled in

the info and then you can always- But that's been my job is to pull that together. I call it the disclosure matrix or the disclosure mosaic actually. The mosaic is like you want to create an accurate picture. And you have to get a thousand, billion pieces. It's just so hard. It's so hard to talk about it. Because even like, you know, bringing up the Majestic 12, that's like seen as a joke.

But then you could say, oh, maybe James Jesus Angleton, who's running counterintel for the program for decades, actually kind of pushed this. And there were elements of, you know, falsifiable things sprinkled in to some truth. There are. That's what I think. We know that. Yeah, I know. But like, what, and then you say it, but it has this, like, jokey connotation. MJ12, like, come on, MJ12, you know, it's a great tactic. But look, that whole operation, everyone says military intelligence is an oxymoron.

It isn't. I mean, there are some incredibly brilliant people, particularly in these ops, siops, dealing with this. What's your process? And they're very, very slick and they're very good. How do you know? So, like, somebody, you know, like Randy Anderson, who I've interviewed, who, you know, said he was taken down to an underground facility at crane and he again came to you first and so I want to you should have you should be given a lot of credit for all these whistleblowers who were coming out or Jake barber who said he was

red teaming you initially he came to kind of infiltrate your camp how do you verify that somebody is you know actually has your best interest at heart and is being truthful to you because for me on just being very real often it's like I think I've gotten certain things wrong And I think I just try to, you know, suss out people's energy. But then also obviously look for as much cross corroboration that isn't correlated with the source. But like I have to have, you know, a certain percentage of humility where it's like I've probably gotten things wrong before. And so you feel the same way? Look, the 1997 briefings we did for Congress off, all site at the Western Hotel, we had somebody made it very far into that process who,

and thank God my military advisor and I think it was Edgar Mitchell and one of my other whistleblowers were at the bar with this guy late one night the night before we had the meeting for Congress and the day before we had a gathering so all these whistleblowers could get to know each other creating an espree decor, you know,

kind of make them feel safe because they're all doing it together because it's scary and this guy that we thought was legit, started praddling on with some absolutely provable false information. And some of his information was true, but he was going to fold in and embellish it into things that were false.

And I got a knock on the door at 3 a.m. and said, this guy is putting in stuff that we absolutely know his fault. I said, ask him to go home. So I pulled him out of the meeting. So the guy hates my guts, right? because this was going to be his thing to stand up from. I mean, Dan Burton, who was chairman of oversight committee for the House,

who issued a thousand subpoenas for Bill Clinton, right, during the Monica Lewinsky and all that nonsense. So I said, no, he's out. So, look, yes, of course. I mean, I'm one man, and I have mostly a volunteer team, the high place, the Wells Place people. But, yeah, I mean, I've been gaslit and deceived and betrayed.

Ultimately, it's like, what is saying? You shall know them by their deeds. But what do they do? Eventually, someone's going to show their ass, right? And then they're out, you know? And for me, I know it sounds rough. You get one bite at that apple. Because what we're dealing with at the level of, say,

a president or Congress or the public information is that this is too important a matter to be, allow someone who's in there sort of telling half-truths and this is why I will immediately separate with someone who commingles known false information with information. Now if they do it unwittingly it's okay so once they correct it. If they're doing it deliberately like Louise Elizondo, it's a bridge too far. I'll forgive anything if someone comes clean. What's the daylight between you and Lou Elizondo as far as the substance you were, because I mean, I think you're putting out

more. You keep interrupting me, but I will tell you if you'll let me finish. Yeah, sure. Number one, he tells people, and has told people consistently, we don't know what these are. Now he's changed that a little because he has to. Then he said there are a threat to the national security. The implication being the NHI, non-human, are a threat. If that's the case, then we're going to go to World War III in a Star Wars fiasco. And it's a complete false narrative. He's kind of walked that back then.

Well, he has to, because we're going to, we're done with that. And then he would also say, we don't have anything that flies like that. So like when David Fravor and I first spoke, who was the F-18 Hornet pilot, and it was a serendipitous meeting because there's a band called Godsmack that's a heavy metal man. And the lead guy, Sully Arna, is a friend of mine. And it turned out he lived across the road from David Fravor. Because his daughter had backed into his mailbox and broke it. And they went, oh, it's David Fravor.

Really funny. The universe works in strange ways. That is of crazy synchronicity. So Sully Arna calls me up, says, this Godspat, lead singer guy. And I go, really? He's your neighbor? Well, get him on the horn. Let's talk.

Yes. There's some years ago. And David goes, oh, yeah, that was, you know, it had to be alien. It said, sir, with all due respect. That was how the Lockheed Skunk works. Really? That made the craft. Yeah.

That was one of ours. And he is, now. Because Fraber wouldn't say that now. Oh, he did say so recently. But in front of Congress, he says it. Well, he's been told since then. He's corrected. So I said, no.

That came out of the Lockheed Skunk Works. It's one of ours. It was something that they did on purpose to see this global organization to see how our military would react. So you think that Tick-Tack was Lockheed Skunk Works? Wow. In the book, we're going to give you, there is a, a very good account of it from 1967 over Pennsylvania,

and we have a whistleblower who saw it being offloaded out of a big ship out of the, in 1991, I believe. So yeah, but that's ours. That was in the years. And then later, very recently, a Lockheed executive admitted to David Fravor, that was theirs.

But I knew that, from the first time I saw it, I said, it was all we were seeing, and I go, that's not extraterrestrial, it's one of ours. But David Fravor feels pretty no nonsense to me? Do you think he's knowingly lying? No, he is a totally straight up guy. Yeah. But let me unpack this a little bit, if you'll let me and just stay with me for a minute.

If you're a pilot flying jets, which are circa 30s, 40s, 50s, or a guy doing stuff with rockets like Mr. Musk, which is circa 1940s, right? The V-2, Vernon von Brown. So a rocket, they're fancier now on better computers. The technology is very old. It's a Roman candle, a Chinese candle, going up, and blowing up periodically. So this is primitive junk. I mean, it's all junk.

So it is compared to what we have out in these covert programs. So you have no foundation to have been read in. If you're a F-18 pilot, why would you be read into something the President of the United States isn't read into. And so the same is true if you're working for an aerospace company, but you're working on the conventional end of it. So they're not, they're saying the truth as they know it. And the danger, here's the danger.

I want to get to this big key point. If you don't know there are three major things going on, ET, man-made, and this weird, stranger thing, sort of extra-dimensional, spooky stuff, and that they're deliberately being commingled to obfuscate, hide the truth, you're going to get it wrong. So that is the core of how the psychological warfare operations work. Because most people, and this is from whether you're the president or the king of England, you're not going to know enough unless you've done a huge deep dive into this, which has been

my task to try to unravel this mess. Because when I started out, I thought everything that went bumping the night was alien. I did. You know, early on. And it wasn't until I started having people come forward who said, oh, we piloted these. And then I had guys come forward who had actually been on the abduction squads. Made to look like aliens. Whoa.

And they said, oh, no. You met people who like committed those crimes. Yeah. And they feel terrible later in life. So if they were very young, they were young guys doing it. Now they're like 70, 80 years old. They feel terrible about what they did and they regret it. But they said if we talk about this publicly, they will absolutely kill us.

Because that's the heart of the secrecy. It's the mind control stuff. The sort of psychological world, they want everyone to believe there's a threat from out there. Because the card they want to play that Werner von Braun-Brown warned about on his deathbed to my friend Carol Rosam was, they want to create an alien threat to unite the world in this sort of dystopian. not a golden age, but a dark age of militaristic totalitarianism. So if Lou and his guys move in that direction, I got to call it out. And people say, well, you're not very friendly.

I said, no. I said, we've got to protect the human future. I mean, where are we going to end up? And where's the end of this algorithm going? You run this algorithm like they're doing it. Oh, we don't have any craft like that because they don't want the National Military Command structure to know that something they encounter like Mr. Fravor did was ours. And therefore, they'll say, oh, it's alien. Oh, therefore we're going to engage in this war. This is how you start wars.

This is how you get in disasters like after 9-11 when we went into Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with that. And he didn't have the weapons of mass destruction. This is how you can connect the next big war. This is what happened with COVID. They took a dangerous virus. It got loose. and then they shut the world down, even though the World Health Organization emits now, that was a big public health mistake. So the problem becomes this being mishandled by this president

in Congress, because this is all going to come out in the next year or two, will be a thousand times worse than with the mishandling of COVID, or 9-11. So we're out of time to get the information out in a truthful way, but a truth that can lead to a future that is a golden era,

of peace, prosperity, a pristine planet that gets fixed, the end of poverty, and peace here and in space. You cannot have peace on Earth and engage in war in space. I would hope, agreed. Well, I would... But that's... Stop. But the people that you're talking about, it's the inescapable conclusion of what they're saying opens the pathway to that. This, see, protecting the human future and consciousness of what kind of world we're going to have, that's actually my central mission. It's not the disclosure project. I would hope that if David Fravor got told by Lockheed exec, hey, this is one of ours, he would come clean about that.

Well, my assistant can look it up. I think it did come out somewhere. Okay. Interesting. But that, yeah, that makes me disappointed in Fraver if that happened because I would love for him to update his view. No, no, he's a great. See, that's wrong. Okay.

Don't be impetuous. Trying not to be. Don't be impetuous. You have people who speak the truth as they know it, right? But they're only given... So he didn't trust the Lockheed executive? He's hearing other sources telling him other things. No, no, I'm saying before that, his comments, what he said.

But I would hope that he'd then correct the record. He'd then say... I think he probably has by now. Oh, interesting. But I think he has. He's a stand-up guy. Seems like it to me. Yeah.

And the problem is many of these people who are great guys get intercepted by people who are slick, counterintelligence operatives. Anybody else you think is a bad actor? Look, it doesn't matter. Here's what you. Here it, for your audience, keep it simple. If they're denying that we have these objects, they're either uninformed or they're disinforming you deliberately. If they say there's a threat from these objects that are not ours,

now the ones that are man-made, huge threat to national security because they're not under the control of the U.S. military, legal military, or White House or Congress. Very dangerous. If they say that the aliens are here for some malevolent purpose, there may be things from other dimensions that are quite malevolent, And those deliberately get mixed in with the aliens. But no, they're not. Because if they were, you know, it's like what Congressman Burchett said.

We'd be a charcoal briquette floating through space. Because visualize for a moment, take what Jake said about, because he's been on your show, I'll reference him. So he's been a site where we've targeted these ET craft and down them. Now, I know I've been at multiple sites where this is going on, and I know where they are around the world. They're in the briefing document I gave you. It was a map. Now, they have electromagnetic pulse weapons.

So an electromagnetic pulse is like when you explode an atomic bomb, right? And there's that pulse that goes out that they can knock out your whole electric grid. The nuke without the nuke. But we have taken the nuke without the nuke. But embedded within that is something called a scalar signal. Scalar, Tesla described it. It's basically, instead of electromagnetic, is a waveform like this, right? And coherent light is a laser.

We sync up the wavelength, instead of it being waves like this, like on an oscilloscope. A scalar is a point that goes out longitudinally, faster in the speed of light. So there is a scalar part within the EMP signal that is very disrupted the interstellar communications and travel. This is why, after we detonated the first atomic bomb, the ETs came in on force en masse. Because it only signal that we were in trouble, that we could go to a point where we could destroy our life on Earth, but it also, it disrupted their systems. Do you think Reagan's Star Wars, the Strategic Defense Initiative, had anything to do with UFO crash retrievals? Oh, sure. It was just a front. It was a black budget front. So the whole Star Wars thing and brilliant pebbles was just an expensive boondoggle. Most of the money for that went into these black projects. the illegal black projects.

We'll get into that in a minute. But what I'm saying here is that these technologies have been operational since the late 40s. So don't, see, everyone's fighting the last war. We figured out, I mean, Tesla,

T-Towns and Brown, 20s, 30s, 40s. I mean, Tesla was killed in 43. Right? But so there were massive breakthroughs in electromagnetism and things that are to this day still covert Those began to be weaponized and they realized hey there are these craft that are from here Let's get see if we can knock some down Yeah and reverse engineer them the the problem is

Doing so is an act of war because we're targeting them now civilizations that are ten to the six to 10 to the 8th years more advanced when we are, 100,000 to 10 million years more advanced. If they were hostile, we would have been done. August 1945, over folks, hey kids, you're done, right? They're not. I know this from having had contact, and everyone I know who's been on a crash retrieval team like Jake, who's had a close encounter with the consciousness of those beings, they're not hostile.

The bad ones might not want to destroy us. They might want to enslave us. Oh, you're so brainwashed. I'm just saying. I'm just hypothesizing. I don't know. You look at too much nonsense, man. I mean, look, if they, none of that, that could be done with the flick of a switch

if they wanted to turn this planet into an automaton planet or whatever. I mean, the technologies are so advanced. You know, this book is amazing, by the way. And I do recommend everybody read it and buy it because it's, It's a treasure trove of excellent documentation across decades. One guy in this book is a really interesting fellow named Bob Beckwith. And Bob Beckwith wrote about levitation, teleportation, and time travel. And he also claimed to be involved with the Philadelphia experiment in 1942.

I knew him. So you knew Bob Beckwith. Oh, yeah. Wow. And my military advisor was owned as board of directors for his company. So who, because you hear, so the Philadelphia experiment for the audience. is, you know, you have this ship, this naval ship stationed, I believe, at Philadelphia. Happened in Rhode Island. That was the cover story.

Oh, well, let's hear it. And here's what's really interesting, that this you might not know about, because as of this last month, there's a guy named Harold Malmgren. And he's a presidential advisor for JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford. And he has come out, he's been tweeting a bunch about things that he learned in that capacity. And getting briefed by Richard Bissell, who was the deputy director of the CIA, who basically founded Area 51 on quote-unquote other world technologies. Yes. He said that a contact of his, a high-level intel contact of his from abroad, talked to him about classified work that Tesla and Townsend Brown did on submarines together.

Yes. You have uncovered collaboration between Nicola Tesla and Thomas Townsend Brown. Yeah, but I said to you informally, I did not get that from any U.S. source. What source did you get it from? Foreign intelligence. Do you think it is a good source? Do you think it's real?

No reason. Why would somebody tell me that? And so I wonder, because I always thought the Philadelphia experiment was kind of quacky, even though I've gone very deep on Towns of Brown. I think there's a lot, two Towns of Brown stuff. Oh, yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, brilliant.

Yeah, an amazing. figure. And also for the people that say, oh, it's all electrogravatics and it's not, you know, there's no ET component or there's no UFO component, he had a UFO interaction that inspired the rest of his work at the age of 17. And so did Tesla and his mentor, Dr. Walter Russell, the Swarillo Institute. My house in Virginia is 10 minutes from Swananoa. Oh, amazing. That's so cool. Weird coincidence. I didn't know that when I bought it. It's a farm. And now you have Terrence Howard carrying the mantle of Walter Russell. Yeah.

But so do you think anything happened in the Philadelphia experiment? And what was your interaction with Bob Beck with? Like, can we, do we have time travel? You know, I mean, he knew the stuff I already knew. What I didn't know is what I wanted him to share with me. Uh-huh. So he had invented something called a neutrino light detector. And now let me explain what that is, you know, a neutrino, you can Google what

neutrino is, but these subatomic particles and whatnot. But what he had invented was a detector that would pick up neutrino light, a burst of neutrino. He got a national security order from the NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, that runs all the super secret spy satellites, so they could seize that technology to put it on the SATs. Because what that's used for is when a non-human craft moves out of, let's call it, transdimensional space time into 3D, there's a burst of this neutrino light. That enables them to pick that up,

triangulate it, and strike the craft to down it. So it's part of a weapon detection system. And so this genius, Beckwith, but he never got to utilize it because it got seized. Now we have a witness who came forward Eric Hecker a couple years ago, who worked for Raytheon, and they were put in a new Trino-Lite system, a mile under the ice at the South Pole. True. And so one of the prime bad actors in all this is Raytheon. And, you know, along with Northrop Grum and Lockheed Skunk Works and others.

And he said that caused the Christchurch earthquake in New Zealand. Hecker did. When they flipped it on the first time, because who knows if they got the frequencies right. So it's both an active and passive system. It can pick up these odds. when they let's say step down out of trans-dimensional space time into 3D, but they can also be an active weapon system, a carrier for hitting them at very powerful pulses. So this is the other problem. If you're in the National Military Command structure and you're not read in to the technologies that this clandestine criminal organization has, you're behind the curve very badly. And my coming of age on that was first with the director of the CIA for Clinton. Then in 1997, and many other people, but in 97 I briefed the J2, the head of intelligence joint staff, Admiral Wilson. And you may know about that.

A memo leaked out from Eric Davis. I know a lot about it. Well, I was briefer. So I was in charge of the stand-up briefing. It was supposed to be 45 minutes, went on for two or three hours, and the Admiral kept canceling meetings. But prior to the meeting, my military advisor who knew him, he had been a senior naval intelligence guy, good guy, wonderful guy,

got a briefing document to the Admiral and materials prior to our meeting. And based on that, Admiral Wilson was able to run to ground and find some offices where these operations were going out. He knew nothing about it. And he was the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Meaning you're putting the equivalent of the presidential daily briefing intelligence brief together like the director CIA does for the president or DNI does, but for the joint chiefs of staff. He had no knowledge of the subject. And when he began to hit pay dirt, he got threatened.

He was threatened with being demoted and taking a star off his lapel, which means a huge pay cut in retirement. And by the time I got to the meeting, he was a combination of furious. and scared. All right. So, which I've seen this a thousand times. I call it disclosure PTSD, which we all have. Right. It's serious stuff. I mean, if you have that level of responsibility, you find out this is going on, a whole universe of this, and you're in charge of the security of the United States and most of the free world. Speaking of scary, right? So the meeting went on for a long time, But, you know, one of the existential things at the end of it was I said, well, we really need your help. Now, this is 28 years ago in April, it's 97.

We really need your help fixing this problem. He says, well, I don't have access. I've been denied access. And they flat out said, you don't have a need to know, to which he said, I think, paraphrasing, if I don't, who does? I'm the head of intelligence, joint staff. Head of J2. It blew them off. So the problem became, I said, look, he said, who else have you briefed to not being allowed

to know or control this? I didn't meet with Clinton personally, but the president, the CIA director, and the Secretary of Defense Cohen and a bunch of other people. And I went, oh, my God. I said, yes, now you know how big the problem is. It's an existential constitutional crisis. much bigger crisis for the United States and China, Russia, Iran, Middle East. No one's doing anything about it.

It's dangerous that no one's doing anything about it. If anyone's listening with the administration, this should be on your front burner, not on the back burner. Speaking of the administration, bizarre connection between Donald Trump, the sitting president and the Philadelphia experiment, is... His uncle. Exactly. There's not a lot of archival footage of John Trump, who is the basically country. lead in radar at the time at MIT. Oh, he was a brilliant guy, MIT.

And was tasked with going into the FBI vault that had confiscated all of Tesla's files looking at whether any of that would be of service to national security. Yep. And so do you think Donald Trump, due to that, might have some special knowledge on this matter? I don't. I don't think his uncle would have ever shared that with his... It's like my uncle, who is with Northrop and, you know, the things he told me about the things, I mean, working on the thing that landed on the moon. In 69, when in the late 50s, we had things that could go to the moon and back without a rocket, right? But if he knew about it,

I don't think he would have even told me about that, because everyone knows that lethal forces use. Northrop Grumman have wetworks people who kill people. So does Lockheed, so does Raytheon. So, I mean, these are thugs. And, you know, Grush's guys, the guys, who kind of sent him out to look into this. Three years ago, when I pulled into the SCIF at the Senate Intelligence Committee, first thing I said is that you're dealing with thugs here. Think of the mafia on super steroids.

It's the largest criminal, corrupt organization in the history, known history of the earth, period. And they have the technology and the means to make your life a living hell, which mine has been since 1992. too. But I said, just be prepared because I believe in informed consent as a doctor, right? So I said, you have no idea what you're walking into here. And boy, within a day or two of that meeting, the main investigator for Senate Intelligence had two Blackhawks over his house unmarked,

and he had access to all flight plans, no flight plans, over his house, shaking the house with his four children in it, with this guy looking out with the death stare, like you're a dead man staring at him. So it's a very dangerous business, not if you're talking nonsense. If you're spreading false information, half information, disinformation, no one's going to care. But if you're actually getting to the truth like that man was for Senate intelligence, because he was assigned to the co-chair and chair of Senate intelligence to get to the bomb of this, Rubio, who's now Secretary of State. I tell people, they're going to throw up. what they can at you to intimidate you, right? So, you know, this is, I mean, for a lot of people,

it's a frickin hobby. But when you get cut through all that, it's deadly serious stuff. But, you know, most people, they're not going to make it that far because what's going to happen, they're going to start on this path. And very quickly, they're going to be intercepted by really professionally well-trained counterintelligence people, and they're going to go off the mark. I believe to this day. That's what's, that's, that's Elijont Sando's. That's Chris Mellon's job. That's, you know, frankly, how put-all's job on energy. That's their job is to divert people into that dead-end cul-de-sac.

I believe that would be sad about how, because I love how, so I hope that's not the case. Well, I know for a fact. I mean, he has to do what he's doing. Okay. One of his closest friends is on my team. I know exactly what they said and what they did to get him to do what he's been doing. The only, you know, the, so this is interesting. I did, you know, I came out with this.

I'm sorry. I mean, I'm at the point that I don't think people, here's what I think. Yeah. I said this to your producer or friend before we came in here. This, the folks who know about this, they need to come clean truthfully soon

because there is moving through the system, the ability for a law enforcement entity I can't name that I'm providing intel to to go to these folks, get their information, interrogate them, and God forbid they lie, they're going to prison the rest of their life. This is getting very serious right now. So people need either be quiet and not lie or speak the truth. Yeah. And this is, I am making an explicit advisory here.

Well, I love that message. And I, you know, I made this deep dive on Thomas Townsend Brown. I think he's this amazing figure who deserves to be vindicated. And right before I did it, Eric Davis got in touch with me and was like, Townsend Brown is a phony. And I was, I had known enough at that point. Well, he's counterintelligence. I didn't, so I don't know. We know that.

But you know that? Oh, I've known that since the early 2000s, 90. I mean, yes. Oh, man. Such a bummer because all these guys are, you know, there's so much brain power. And so it's a. Yes, but think about it. You're going to put really good people out there to carry the water to make.

to miss message, misdirect, what have you. I can put myself in anyone's shoes. I'm going to put myself in the shoes of sort of the ruling Politburo of this covert group. You're going to send people out who are very well trained. Some of them go through something called the farm where they're professionally trained to lie, pass lie detectors, da-da-da.

They're very well trained at social engineering. I'm your best friend, trust me, wink, wink. And then gaslight. to misdirect you. So none of that surprises me. It's what you would expect if you took seriously what Wilbur Smith said in the 1950 document. It's in the briefing document that was top secret from the Canadian government that I think accidentally got declassified.

And he said, you know, about us reverse engineering the ET craft. But one of his conclusions was he said, no, not a conclusion. He was told directly that this issue. was more secret than the development of the hydrogen bomb two levels higher and that was in 1950 two years before we had it and that was that is how seriously the secrecy is because they were trying to figure out the opus operandi the modus operandi of the ET craft which means how they operate that and they had not done that yet see it was 54 is when they had the breakthrough this is 50 so if you're trying to keep

something like this secret you're going to deploy every asset you can, up to and including the president of the United States, right? Never mind putting out to, no offense, people new to the subject who have no intel background, where you can gaslight people over and over again. And that's true whether it's you, Joe Rogan, ABC News, 60 Minutes, whoever it is. So that is the Achilles Hill of Disclosure, is that for every great person, who comes forward trying to tell the truth, there are 10 people who are going to say part truth, part fiction. And so I'm just saying that I'm becoming less and less patient with that.

I used to be a lot more diplomatic than I am now. I guess I'm getting old and crotchety while I'm just out of surgery too. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. I mean, I have a little bit. I'm some pain. I don't take any opioids or narcotics. I'm amazed. Well, that wouldn't let him get me, he'm going into I said, no, give me some torridal, non-steroidal. It's incredible. Well, to this day, RFK Jr., Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he's great. He's amazing, and he's in the current administration as FDA, or Health and Human Services, right? HHS, yeah.

He says that his father was not killed by Sir Han, Sir Han, but by this guy Eugene Thane Caesar, who I believe was a skunk work security guard or something. Look, you know, I have a letter. It may be in the book. It's in our archive. Yeah. And it was his dad writing to a UFO researcher back in 68. It's dated one month before they killed him.

And it opens saying, I'm a card... Excuse me. It says, I'm a card carrying member of the amalgamated... flying saucer Association of America. There was such a thing. I went, oh my God, I was so iconoclastic, an anachronism. And I go, wow, you know, and I get this letter. And so, you know, years ago, I ran into RFK Jr.

at Sundance, and 50 Cent was, I was given a talk, and RFK Jr. had done a documentary about mountain top removal mining, coal mining in West Virginia, what environmental disaster. And called the Last Mountain. I think it was called The Last Mountain. It was great. And I told him just briefly, because we were in this crowd,

I have a letter from your dad about this UFO issue dated a month before they killed him. And that's why, because he was going to get the nomination, and he would have won. But his dad was super interested in this. And also, I'm convinced, knew that his brother, or Jack, The president was killed over this. You think he was killed over UFO specifically? Oh, yes. So the data points that I have around that are, I don't know if this letter is real.

Maybe you would know if this letter is real. There's a letter dated November 12, 1963, 10 days before he died to John McCone. John McCone is the acting CIA director because he had just fired Dulles. Right. And McCone also was the former head of the Atomic Energy Commission. So he would probably know a little, a thing or two, about the UFO. issue. Oh, he would have. And JFK is saying to John McCone, we need to coordinate better with the Soviets on this issue of quote-unquote unknowns in Soviet airspace, so they don't mistake these unknowns as acts

of American aggression, exactly. It could trigger World War III. So do you think that letter is real? I don't know the provenance of it. I think it likely is. It comports with the facts. But here's the other thing. We have a man who's interview, we have on the audio tape named Bill Holden, who was the chief steward for Air Force One when Kennedy was flying over to Berlin where he gave the famous I am a Berliner speech. And I debrief this man. And on that flight, he brought,

there was some papers, and on one of the papers, there had been a big UFO sighting. And so he brought this up to the president, Kennedy. And Kennedy said, and the man broke in the tears when he said this. Kennedy turned to him and says, I know this is true,

and I know these are real, but the whole matter is out of my hands, and I don't know why. He admitted he had no control over the issue, which is why he fired Dulles, because Eisenhower had lost control in the late 50s. That extended into the Kennedy era, and really no president except people who have been part of that organization, like George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, by extension, W,

have really had any control over it, or any detailed knowledge of it. the current president has virtually no knowledge. It's fascinating. And so President Clinton, you know, his friend of his, Webster Hubble, who was in the Department of Justice, wrote a book. Forget the name of the book. In it, he admits that he and the president were trying to get to the bottom of a couple things. One of them was who killed Jack Kennedy and why and what's going on with UFOs.

Of course, they're related. And then something about Marilyn Monroe. And, of course, I have a CIA document. This top secret not been declassified that describes James Jesus Engleton signed it. Wow. That's a basic, it's in the briefing document. It's a wiretap of Marilyn Monroe in 62, a couple days before they killed her, threatening to hold a press conference.

And that's a real document. Oh, it is. That's insane. Oh, it's real. I know the guy who took it out of the vault from NSA. It's an NSA guy. I got folks who now people say why aren't you arrested I said because once we briefed all these people like at the level of the president and Senate oversight committees and we concluded that these programs were being run illegally

outside the Constitution we declared them all illegal therefore anyone listening if you're in those operations or have been they cannot prosecute you for going around your nondisclosure agreements. If you bring out documents, tapes, material, they're open source and I will release them. Because all that material, and I've told Jake this, are being, have been accumulated under an illegal operation abusing the National Security Act and national security provisions when they are in fact have no protections. So we need to flip the table here. Instead of these whistleblowers being prosecuted or people being killed for trying to get the truth out, we flip it around. Where U.S. law enforcement operating legally under the Constitution go after the bad actors, right?

So this is where it's going to have to go. And I think it needs to be non-kinetic, not violent, but it needs to be done by any means necessary. But if this is the foundation, I want to unpack this a little bit, the foundation of disclosure project So not in this book, but in our archive is what's called a UNOD, unless otherwise directed. It's a military technique used that you write to a senior person. And it says, unless otherwise directed, this is my assessment, and this is what I'm going to do. They don't have to write back because then there's no, there's plausible deniability to a sink, a commander-in-chief, or, you know, a four-star or something. And it's used.

And so my military advice is said, you know what we need to do? this is by late 97. And after the debacle with Admiral Wilson and finding out we had one data point after another after another that this was an illegal, unsanctioned, rogue criminal organization. At that point I said, well, we need to declare it as such. And therefore, we need to vitiate everyone's

non-disclosure agreements so they can come forward. That's what we did. So that is 1997. I put I think a two or three month clock on it. So I said unless we're notified otherwise, our assessment is that these programs are illegal, corrupt, and unconstitutional. Based on the following facts.

The president has been denied access. The CI director was denied access. The head of intelligence joint chiefs of staff and other senior flag officers have been denied access. Senior members of the Senate and House oversight, relevant committees have been denied access. because by then I had met with all that personally. This is not internet, Google,

crap, conspiracy theory stuff. So at that point, of course, it flipped my whole world upside down as a doctor. But I said, no, at this point, we're declaring these illegal. And so if you're someone at Lockheed, Northrop, Raytheon, CIA, DOD, NSA, the whole alphabet soup, FBI,

and you know about this, you want to come forward, they can't touch you. Now, the good news is now there's a law enforcement entity that is going to extend immunity to them and will protect them. So we have that in place right now. So anyone listening, contact me. We will keep your name.

Look, 80% of everyone's ever come to me. They're in our archive blackened out and redacted, right, for a reason. Because I don't disclose someone's name unless they say, I'm willing to come forward. Like Michael Herrera, willing to come forward. So he did. He's the only person I ever have met who saw something like that who lived to tell the tale.

It's remarkable that Herrera wasn't killed. It's an amazing story. And a true one. We've had three separate senior intel and military people confirm that. So for the audience, this guy was part of Operation Kitsana, and he was supposed to go to the Philippines. His unit was diverted. This Marine Corps unit was diverted.

Put in Indonesia, they see this eight-gone octagon, vanta black craft hovering above the treetops. They're closed in on by these seemingly S-1 special forces. They don't know if it's special forces, but nondescript, guys who are very smooth with their guns, and they have bioscanters and all this kind of high-tech. And he later learns from Jake Barber that this was maybe a human trafficking operation. And that they were putting these sites. Cyanic assets, these people who were meant to be shipped back to the U.S. to summon.

Perspectives. Sionic assets. In other words, they were people who had been identified with the predisposition to have those psionic abilities. And those were being crated up and moved back to some covert places where they'd be screened tested. If they passed a certain level, then they would go through a rigorous training program. Most of them end up in comas or die, by the way.

by the way, but the ones that survive are very good at what they're doing. But they're basically human tools for these really evil covert programs to essentially hack into these non-human craft communication systems that are interfacing with thought and consciousness. Do you think they're... It's like a super high-in version of neural link and move them over into range and hit them with an electromagnetic pulse weapon. There are rumors that like the, the most of the most...

the show on Netflix, Stranger Things, is like real. Oh, of course. I've talked about all that stuff for years, Montauk. Montauk and gifted and talented education programs that I recently met with a pretty senior person in government who all anonymized because I don't think he wants to be on record on this. But he mentioned a link between Battelle Memorial Institute and these gifted and talented education systems.

Sure. And the cabal running these UFO programs. Which is that. That is one of the institutes on our list of... Yeah, and they manage all of the nuclear sites, all of the U.S. And so if they're... And what's interesting is you often hear stories of people making it past checkpoints in these gifted and talented education programs where you prove that you have, you know,

some mind-matter capabilities, and then you get to the next thing, and then they'll show you a piece of material, and who would have the material, would be, Patel Memorial Institute. Amongst others. I mean, look, there are many. there's a whole military industrial complex component to this, right? Yeah. They're institutes. They're all kinds of foundations.

You know, it sort of is, it's like a metastatic cancer that's gone. Because look, they have a lot of money to spread around. Yeah. You know, I met with a man in 1997 before I was over at the meeting with the CIA director in D.C. who said we have given at least 10,000 people $10 million each or more to secure their cooperation with what we're doing. Now, that was 28 years ago. And I know he said at least, so I said, yeah, I'm sure.

So, you know, what's your price? And if you have the ability to either be troublesome to them, you're either going to, it's like Gordon, that guy used to publish a flying saucer magazine. Gordon Cooper? No, not Gordon, Crighton. Oh, Gordon Crichton, yeah. Yeah, he interviewed him.

He's one of our witnesses, because he had been military intelligence, and he published this, and all that used to go over to the palace, and Prince Philip was very keen on all of this. I've heard that. Oh, I know for a fact. Yeah. And so, because I know the people involved. He said, if you become too worrisome, you see this interview, it's in our archive, there's

certain people who they will erase or do whatever. So, you know, I think people kind of way underestimate the reach of this organization, and to extent it has operative embedded. But, of course, the grand conspiracy theories are false also. Bohemian Grove. You know what? Maybe two of those guys know anything about this. trilateral commission, maybe two or three do.

So I think one of the problems with these conspiracy theories is that they're not nuanced and they're all pretty dumb. From the point of view is you can't keep something like this, this secret, with a huge number of people knowing. The number of people read in or read on to anything like this in any detail is going to be very, very tightly controlled. But those assets, well trained, well compensated, well placed. And so, look, I mean, you know, and they don't mind killing one of their own.

You know, when Bill Colby, who had been read into this, tried to get a zero-point device to us, and about just a small amount like $50 million in seed money in 95, I think. The week he was going to meet with a member of my board, they found him floating down the river south of D.C., made it look like a canoeing accident, and his wife knew that he had been killed. You know the Stan Meyer's story, I think you talk about it in your movie, The Lost Century, just like a car that like ran on water? Yeah, he did. Is that, so was he taken out he died of an aneurysm?

And do you think he actually, is that real? His twin brother, who we've met with and who was really the electronics guy behind all that, Stan Myers' twin, Steve, absolutely is convinced he was poisoned and killed. And you think that that... Well, we have 150 substances that can kill people or poison them. You know, so... What about pawns flechmen? The, you know, they...

Cold fusion. Yeah, cold fusion, exactly. I never met them. I certainly, they were on to something. And I know people who did much more souped up versions of that. All those devices have ended up being confiscated with the people erased. The guys who bought Stan Myers' archive and all his devices, We were trying to get it, but we didn't have the funding.

It went to an engineering group up in Michigan. And there was a man who I didn't know who the money was behind that. So my science advisor, Dr. Loder, went and saw this warehouse full of floppy disk and devices. But he had one thing of great interest. We have a picture of it. It's in our archive, DPI Archive. DPIarchive.com. And it looks like a sort of a

teroidal electromagnetic and had a magnetically charged fluid in it and it was a complete free energy system. So it had a national security order slapped on it way back but it was sitting there to acquire. And we were going to try to get it

and then open source it because memo to Peter Thiel and everyone else, if you try to patent this or release it in the normal let's just say traditional venture capital way, it'll never get out, ever. You have to dump it open source off blockchain to a two, three billion people all at once. That's my belief.

I mean, like... Well, there's no way. We know. I mean, this is the whole point of the law century was to prove. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I meet with these kind of geniuses. I just met with a Fortune 10 company senior scientist a couple weeks ago. Uh-huh.

And he came to L.A. to meet with me. Uh-huh. I was on, there's a podcast, sweetest lady ever named Chloe Kardashian. She was so sweet. She's so sweet. She just released yesterday a podcast I did with her. But she was so much fun.

So sweet. Yeah, she loves your work. Yeah, I had never met her. She was very, very kind and a beautiful person, really smart. I thought, very smart. But she, so I was out there and this guy flies in. Super genius. He can build free energy plasma things. He can do teleportation. But the major corporation he works for while he even do it. So he wants to work with us, bring it out.

And I said, look, don't try to do it through patent. You have to open source it. But if you open source it and you have a reach of a few hundred thousand people, no one cares. So I have a network of various influencers and celebrities and can get it to two, three billion people all at once. In which case, you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube so hard, can't put it back in. So these fascists, they want to keep us dependent on earth-destroying energy systems forever, you say, audios.

Now, he has the ability to build things that teleport and levitate. I said, nope, don't touch those. So where I think that people in the administration I've spoken to are mirroring what I'm saying about to tell you. And that is, this needs to get disclosed. We need to do it in a way where there's a pathway for the people involved to come clean, but not be imprisoned and not be executed. Because an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind. Now, if you go back to 93, 4, 5, you'll see what I wrote to the Clinton administration.

it was the same set of recommendations. Hardcore people in disclosure say, oh, we should round them up and Nuremberg-try. I said, no. These guys are holding technologies that are the trump card against everything the Pentagon has. Yeah. And plenty of them are just taking orders under threats of, you know,

their families' lives. Yes, but I mean, we have to have compassion for that, but even the worst of the actors, they either need to come forward or put on a leash, right? And stood down. Now, to do that, you're going to have to have a group of people who are special forces trained.

And that's the other part of this we can talk about carefully. Interesting. So is there, there's a plan maybe to do that? Oh, yes. It's already been in place for about a year and a half, two years that we've worked in. So what does that involve storming Area 51 and Dougway and the right pad? Or what is this involved? Literally.

Wow. Okay. Well, they either capitulate to the legal government of the United States. Yeah. Or they're declared treasonous operations, and then they're put under proper authority and oversight. Don't they have the secret weapons that can, like, aren't we unmatched? That's the reason I haven't. So let me finish the story with Amber Wilson.

We keep getting diverted. So at the very end of the meeting, he said to me, I asked him, can you help? He says, well, the best thing I have is a B-2 stealth bomber that I know about. And I have learned, he didn't say not from me, but what I've learned directly is that there's an organization that have things that can do circles. The man-made UFOs, the ARVs, around my B-2 stale. So he says, so it's checkmate. It's point-set match. It's over.

I said, no, sir. We cannot. It is David. The entire United States legal, United States of America, constitutional government is the David. And this organization is the Goliath. You remember that, which is why so many presidents and so many senators and so many military guys that meant, would they get to the edge of this precipice? And they go, God, mother of God, and they back off.

But there's a way around it. So where the Achilles Hill of that organization is is that their numbers are very thin. The subject's coming out, and they know the public opinion, going to go against them, and because their numbers are thin, they can be overwhelmed in a tactical operation. The other thing is their obsects are very good, operational security, but they cannot withstand the full force of a serious, quote, investigation, an operation, tactical operation. Now what they do have is technological superiority.

That can be vitiated through some technologies I don't want to talk about, where basically you can go in and neutralize. It's fire against fire, but I'll just tell you, you can go in and neutralize the facility without a bomb. And again, it deals with electromagnetic systems that are advanced scalar systems. And, you know, there's a scientist who talked at our 2023 conference right before the National Press Club event we did, where Herrera spoke. And he was a senior GE physicist and scientists who specializes in scalar.

So look, we have assets where I could say, all right, go in. So you could just, you know, their man-made UFOs and all their other stuff, can neutralize it. That's all I'm going to say. But I'm just saying that you have to have an executive order from the president

to provide the, protections to these high-value whistleblowers. You need personal security. You need to authorize a law enforcement operation, both CONIS and O'Conus, United States and outside continental in the United States, it's O'Conis, which can be done. And then you need to fund it. It would be, you know, classified funding. And then you also need to have a pathway for when you acquire all this material out of Doug Way and the Edwards complex and Lockheed Skunk Works underground and Northrop's Underground and Raytheons what do you do with it and are we're recommending the stuff that flies is kept secret in terms of it being

it has to be acknowledged we have it we all know we have thermonuclear weapons but you can't go to East Hardware Store and buy one so it has to get acknowledged properly. But we just say, right now the world is too unstable to let every 10-pot dictator or terrorists in the world have something that can go from Mogadishu to D.C. in three minutes and drop a dirty bomb, right? There are valid national security concerns about some of these technologies. And the world is not at that place. The world is at the place where something that could sit on this table that would run this building without pollution. And what happens then?

The Malthesian problem gets fixed. The Malthusian. The Malthusian problem gets fixed because you have something where you're going to eliminate in about 20 years global poverty. Much of terrorism and radicalization is to have and have not problem.

Because we're so narcissistic and self-turned inward-looking in America we don't realize 3 billion people on the planet don't even have energy to cook their food. That's why they're chopping down the rainforests or chopping down the brush and the deserts keep growing. Because it's like a locusts that are just ripping everything out. But it's because of the severe, mind-numbing, inhumane, I tell Christians, un-Christian poverty that we've imposed. But that's based on the energy system. You're never going to fix it with wind and solar, ever.

or with a plug-in electric car. It's never going to get fixed. Now, these new technologies will fix that. It'll fix the biosphere, fix pollution, in poverty, stabilized geopolitically. Now, they're going to be losers, hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets and commodities. But again, it isn't going to happen like this. It's not like downloading an app. These are heavy industries.

It's going to take at least 15 to 20, 30 years. to transition from our current cars and electric grid to what I'm talking about. And I don't know that we have 30 years, so we need to get going. So my point to people is that in the administration, and I had this little debate with Patrick David on his show, is that taking decades to do this

could have been done in the 20s, 30s, 40s. This is 2025. We have 8 billion people on the planet living like in the 1800s, energy-wise. Oil, gas, coal, blah, blah, blah, wind. The Dutch had that ages ago. Okay, so we have a little bit of extra nuclear 1940s. So are you telling me the whole world has to run on stuff that's 80 to 120 years old?

This is ridiculous. But it benefits a very, very tiny oligarch ruling group of people on the planet. Energy, banking, petrodolar, very, I mean, we're not, again, we're not talking about a few hundred billion. We're talking about several hundred trillion dollars. But if we're destroying the biosphere and what their solution is, well, let's just keep diverting people with shiny little problems. In 9-11, aliens that are scary. See, that's the next big thing. This is what Verno von Braun.

This is why when people spread that kind of nonsense. I am going to go after them like a goddamn Rottweiler. Because that is how we end up in World War III. That's how we end up in a totalitarian militaristic super state. The opposite of the Golden Age, the opposite of an Age of Enlightenment, the opposite of a sustainable world. That's the end of the world as we know it. And I tell people, even if there are some ETs,

that are really are ETs and not from another dimension or a man-made diversion, that are troublesome. You think you're going to win that war down the barrel of a gun? No, you're going to do CE5 contact. Go get the app. Anyone can get it. It works.

William Shatner has it and did it and went up in space. So go get it. Barber and others will tell you that concept absolutely works. Because what we have to do is figure out if we have in any kind of conflict, Is it always going to get solved through a kinetic war? Well, that's the end of the world, because you're not dealing with thermonuclear weapons. You're dealing with weapons that would make a hydrogen bomb look like a tinker toy.

So when you start getting into technologies that can affect space time, where you could dissociate the basically the material of an entire planet, poof. No, you don't go there. So this is a serious... See, from most people, they look at it. look at too much science fiction in Hollywood crap and way too much UFOology, where it mixes in all these rubbish and false narratives and myths with the truth. But if you think about this as a thinking, a really serious person, even if there was a civilization or one or two, that

might be troublesome. And I don't think there's any evidence there is, but you can't prove a negative. So let's be devil's advocate. No, I'll be the advocate of what 99% of my colleagues say there are these worrisome aliens that we have to fight and blah. Were you going to fix that? How are you going to fix that? Through a war, through conflict, well, it would last about 0.1 nanoseconds. No, this is stupid. That is a suicide mission.

So if we're going to be serious about this, then we have to think, well, even if that were the case, and I don't think it is at all, neither this Jake. But here's the thing, too, every man, and they've all been men so far, who have been operational on those retrieval teams that I've been meeting with back all the way to the early 90s, not a single one of them when they encountered a living one, said they were anything but very peaceful and very enlightened and very kind, but very concerned about humanity and what we're doing to the earth and to ourselves and potentially to them. Because remember, now here's, let's cut this to the bottom line here. The reason we're running out of time is that the technology curve from the 40s to now is gone like that. So right now, and Jake will admit this, the non-human ET craft and the really advanced ones from Raytheon and some of the other companies are virtually indistinguishable. But that also means the technology that can be weaponized is at that level. which means humans, this corrupt organization, not under the control of the president, the Congress, and the Pentagon,

is becoming a threat to other worlds. This is where we cross a red line. And I've known about it for 30 years. And I'm telling people we are right there. We're right at that point. And that you do not want to cross that red line to a point where there has to be an intervention from out there. Right? but I think there are people in this crazy corrupt organization,

this transnational corrupt organization that runs this and a bunch of other stuff, who would like to see that because I learned this in 94 from the crown prince of Lichtenstein, Hans Sodom. He seemed super into this topic. He's popped up a few times. Didn't you take all the Roswell witnesses and fly him out to Europe and meet with them? So you've met him too? Oh, yeah, yeah, I spent a whole afternoon with him. And he's very...

No, he's part of the organization. He is. Oh, he was Opus Day. He funds Opus Day, a really far right-wing group at the Vatican. And I spent a lot of time with him. But you see you like him? You find him of pure intention? No, no, his intention.

I was going to tell you this. Listen. So this long meeting was very disturbing. And it was at the pier four seasons in New York. They were from Fifth Avenue, across from Central Park. He had a suite. We wanted to meet for a while, and I couldn't de-conflict my schedule as an emergency doctor

and his schedule. We finally got together in New York because he was coming to visit Lawrence, Rockefeller. And so we had this long meeting, and he told me, he says, the reason I'm funding Bud Hopkins, and even back then John Mack and some other people,

and David Jacobs, He had the threat narrative, David Jacobs. Is that we want the public to hate the aliens so bad that we can have an interplanetary war so that we'll have Armageddon so Christ will return, I'm quoting. That's that agenda. So it's an eschatological eschatology is to study how the world ends. So from that point of view,

instead of having a future, a new world, world, if you can take it, as the E.T. said, the Colonel Corso, that story is great. A new world that we could go forward for hundreds of thousands of years as an event. Let's end the world so Christ will come back, the Messiah. So there's a weird part of this organization that's corrupt that has this firm belief that we have to provoke an interplanetary conflict. And that's how the world comes to an end, and that's how Christ comes back. when I heard this, I just listened. And I was, of course, horrified and stultified.

I went, what the fuck? You know, WTF, I didn't say it. But I just wanted to hear, where are you really coming from and the organization you're part of? Because he was part of that. Oh, sure. So he wanted to speed up the end of the world so Christ could... Which is why he was funding all the abduction groups and researchers.

You know, I've heard... He was funding them because those were the frontline people So a lot of those were innocent people. They would have someone who, a CIA special operations team or some other group that had one of these man-made flying saucers or discs would abduct someone. That case would then be channeled through a couple cutouts to David Jacobs, about Hopkins or John Mack. Now, they didn't know that I was debriefing people who were the ones operating the abduction program that was human. Same thing with cattle mutilations. Linda Moon, Howth thinks those are aliens? No, we're doing that.

So there's all this talk now of disclosures. You have disclosures around the JFK assassination. People want the 9-11 records. They want, you know, all these things. They want Epstein stuff. And so, you know, do you think we get any progress on UFOs? And then maybe even the better question, because UFOs are such, you know, it's so complicated. It's this gangly octopus. It's so hard to kind of find where the bodies are buried, so to speak. No, it's not. Well, yeah, maybe not. So you think it is? It's easy.

Oh, but what I was going to go is. Here's what we're doing. Yeah. The actual intelligence that they need, that like Mr. Grush was provided some of. Yeah. That could lead to hitting pay dirt. Yeah. We have a huge amount of it.

Other people I'm working with who have been former or current special forces have a lot of it. that can be provided to the operation I'm talking about that's being looked at, but that needs an executive order from the president. This is the one-pager for the president. Is that going to happen? Do you think he's going to listen and sign an executive order? His son seems very into the issue. Oh, Don Jr. I spoke with him briefly.

No, they're very interested. Unfortunately, Don Jr. got gaslit about a lot of this by Elizondo with false information. Joe Rogan has totally been misled. Your episode with Rogan got deleted or something? Well, in order to get his money from Spotify, they had to take it out. Really? Oh, of course. It's like when Sean Ryan had on a show in Herrera.

Shortly after that, he got threatened. I can't be on that show anymore. Really? Am I going to get fucked with? No, I mean, you don't have the numbers. If you had 20 million people, maybe. I guess that's good. Or the question is, what dirt do they have on you?

No, I think I'm pretty straight up. So if you don't care about being bought off with money, I'm assuming you have some assets. Yeah, they're doing all right. And, yeah. So if you're not corruptible with money, and if you're not somebody who's going to try to jump the shark by getting on the inside for the technology, is what happened. That was Bigelow's a Kelly's Hill, Bob, Robert Bigelow. And you're not, you know, afraid. And you don't have something they could blackmail you with.

Do you think Bog Bigelow has a warehouse with UFOs in Vegas? No. You don't? No, I can tell you that Colonel Alexander, who was his conigliate, that was all set up so that the $22 million at Harry Reid helped get to Bigelow Aerospace to research this would be. Here's what that operation was. Send the money to that. A Bigelow didn't know this. He really didn't.

He was innocent. It was Alexander who did all the gas. lighting, send the money to there. They get the money. The Pentagon thinks they're going to get a serious research effort. You might as well have opened the toilet lid flushed $22 million down to the sewer because that was a setup. And I spoke to General Bob Herbert, who had left the military and was right-hand to Senator Reid about this a few years ago during COVID, and another senior operative who worked with him. And they said to me, we didn't get anything of any value. out of all those millions of dollars.

I said, no, because the person who is actually directing that operation is someone who has been key to covering this up for decades as part of this rat pack of guys named Colonel Alexander, who, by the way, is the Consigliaria mentor for one Lou Elizondo. Okay, so look, you know, I'm not going to mince words with you. I know you've gotten all submerged in this stuff and it's all mixed up in your brain, but I'm trying to give a little clarity.

I know I'm a very, people hate that I'm so direct about this. But, you know, I'm the kind of, I tell people, if you have a brain tumor, I'm not going to tell you you have a migraine, right? I'm going to say, hey, bro, I'm sorry, you got a brain tumor. It's got to come out. But that's just how I run. I'm a very direct person. But the, the, so, so that operation really was sad because,

and I really think what Bigelah wanted to do, and I remember meeting with him privately after the Rockefeller, meeting is that he wanted to get on the inside of the tech and what was really going on with the intelligence community. Because, you know, he was a Las Vegas billionaire. He was an heir to a real estate fortune in Vegas. Budget suites, right? And all that. Yeah. So he had the money. So he didn't need the money, but he wanted to access. So they find what your soft spot is. You know, where's your soft underbelly? Some people, they just want to get rich. Some people, they just want to get in a position of power. Some people, if they're already

rich and powerful, they want to get on the inside of this big secret. So that's how they got their hooks in him. And I warned him of that. Same thing with Joe Fermage that got pulled in and was this tech entrepreneur who got super into anti-gravity. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he got totally gaslit and pulled into an operation. It ruined his life. And then he got put in prison for something. And I warned him, this is going to be an op. You're going to spend your money. And you're going to spend your money and all this time because he took the same bait. He was wealthy. And I met with him at the Mars Cafe in South of Market in San Francisco way back in the 90s. And I warned, I said, Joe, you're going to, you're a mark for these guys. And sure enough, that same group of people

intercepted him, Peter Till was almost intercepted by some of these people. Really? For energy, technology stuff, yeah, with the help put off and some others. Peter? Yeah. They were going to get a hundred. The guy that I've worked with? Yeah, they were going to get $150 million of his that would be flushed down the toilet. Hal put off? No, I don't think so. Yes, sir. I got a heads up from the senior most CIA guy,

and I back channel that information that Eric Weinstein. Yeah, but I've met with, because I'm open about this, I've brought Hal into the office, but it didn't, nothing ended up happening. So he's sort of like, you know, they're putting him out, you know, like he's up in his, what, 80s, I guess now. Yeah. It's like a lot of these guys, they have to find a replacement. But no, he was an operative that was, you know,

look, probably his closest friend ever is on my team. I know the whole backstory. Same thing it was Jacques Valet, great guy, brilliant guy. But at some point he got too far involved with that saying of all of people and got corrupted. And this is why, you know, in our documentary, we talk about the, document that he admits to having. It's in his 1992 book that Jacques Folle wrote. I forget the name of it. And there's an entry where he talks about having a

1985, that was when he was really got involved with the Colonel Alexander types and stubblebine types. The advanced theoretical physics working group. No. Oh. Well, just let me finish. The document is a description of CIA operations in Argentina and Brazil to abduct peasants so that they think they're being abducted by aliens for its, quote, I'm quoting, psychological warfare value. Now, we've asked Jacques Foulet to release that document. He got very agitated against my research producers and said, no way.

Because I think he knows that that is the core of the cover-up is the false convincing of the public of an alien threat. But this is a black-and-white CI document Jacques-Faulet has, and I know a couple other people have it, but they've been threatened that outlines that operation. So these abduction programs have operated not just U.S. but also overseas for decades. Remember, that's a 40-year-old document, 85. And those programs were started well before then. Well, I will say Charles Douglas Jackson, ran psychological warfare for the country and was operated in the Psychological

Strategy Board under Gordon Gray. he showed up at Betty and Barney Hill's house two weeks after they encountered what they encountered. So I've always found that to be kind of interesting. And then he went on to work for Life in Time magazine, and he was responsible for putting out the Zeprooter film of JFK getting shot with missing frames. So maybe there's something kind of weird there. I don't know. Well, I'm telling you there is.

I mean, this is the part of this. I call it the myth. In the briefing document for the president, I take out some of the names that I know are the operatives doing it. But it's a one sheeter. On one side is the myth and the other is the truth. And who are the purveyors of the myth and what is the actual facts of it? Yeah. And unpacking it is a very arduous, complicated. And I'll admit, I didn't know what I'm just telling you back in 1990, 94. It came from being pulled in by people who wanted me to know the truth, who are these deep

throats. Some of these 800 people have debriefed. But there are documents that would prove this. Like, Jackfully has that document. The law enforcement and the president should say subpoena that. Do you think Nixon was taken out over this issue with Watergate? Because he said deep throat, the real deep throat is a guy named Mark Felt, who's a deputy director of the FBI. In his biography, he talks about Nixon being shown covert technology. And then there's this famous story. of Nixon showing up at Jackie Gleason's place in 1973 and telling him we have secret UFO technology taking him to Homestead Air Force Base. And then Jackie Gleason gets obsessed with UFOs.

His house becomes shaped like a UFO. I know. So is that story, is that all true? 100% true, but it goes back further. So let's explain how national security in the 50s, maybe from the 50s on, the chairman of what's called the Space Council for the United States government is the Vice President traditionally.

Now they have a professional director, but the Vice President is chairman. So Nixon was chairman of Space Council during Eisenhower. He was part of the team that betrayed Eisenhower, along with these others. So they circled their wagons and their limousines and pushed Eisenhower further out of the picture.

So they're very upset. I mean, obviously, So Nixon, of course, lost the election with Jack Kennedy, and then he won in 68. So when he was going to be in his second term, he was going to be the person he thought would disclose all this and start bringing it forward. But the organization that's way more powerful than the presidency said, oh, no, you're not. Oh, yes, I am. Oh, no, you're not. So Watergate did happen. But, I mean, there's kind of black bag stuff happens all the time in politics.

I mean, it's not, I'm excusing it. It's just, it's a dirty business, a filthy business. So what happened is that there was a young reporter named Bob Wardard, who was actually naval intelligence in Pentagon. He was not a journalist. He got moved over to the Washington Post, happened to have this whistleblower who then gas, you know, the cover was less exposed the corruption that Nixon. did, which he did.

But it was really to remove him because he was hell bent, I'm bringing this stuff out. So a similar thing, of course, happened to Bill Clinton, the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. Linda Tripp was an Army intelligence NSA person, was put right beside Monica Lewinsky at a cubicle to get through social engineering befriending her the information about that affair.

And then it was set up, because when he was asked about it, Clinton lied about it under oath, which it led to his impeachment. That was also, and so when Hillary said, and I'm like excusing any kind of behavior, I'm not trying to, but I'm just telling you, this is how it is done, all right? So they can either kill you, they can threaten you, they can do all kinds of stuff, or they can set up something like that, because very few people get at that level of national politics that are squeaky clean. And they're going to know that, and they can use it against you. So this is where people talk about lawfare and all the stuff going on.

It's been done for decades. I mean, let's face it. Nixon weaponized the IRS and the DOJ long before the people in the Trump circles are talking about lawfare. That's a proven thing. Do you think there's any connection? And Nixon was a Republican. Yeah.

Right? So, I mean, you know, this kind of dirty trick stuff's been going on since forever. Speaking of dirty trick stuff, is there any connection between Jeffrey Epstein and UFOs? I have no idea. And I actually, the salacious stuff related to that, it's like, oh, my God. I'm not excusing any kind of underage, whatever. But, you know, I think that that was probably an op to try to pull in certain people and then have a blackmail file on them. Yeah, that seems like.

And I'm speaking with some absolute knowledge about it. Because there's a very senior person in the national security apparatus who was part of that, who's being kept on a short leash because they have a blackmail file on it. And so that's how it's done. So, you know, I could do a whole five-hour podcast with you about the techniques of counterintelligence and disinformation on this and the kind of dirty tricks run on people.

And if they can't get something real, they'll make it up. Because with AI and deep fakes, I mean, they could show that everyone in this room having an orgy together. Right. They can take my voice and make me say anything. They can create any docs they want. It'll look absolutely authentic. In fact, I just had that happen last week. My iPhone was hacked into and all kinds of stuff.

I was threatened. Oh, now. Oh, this has been happening since 91. Do you think that aren't, isn't Tesla's stuff still classified by the U.S.? And then I know Towns and Browns is classified by the Navy. So we're talking about classifications of all these other things and declassifications of all these other things. What about the science? Like fundamental science shouldn't be classified.

Can we get Tesla's work open source? Here's the problem. All of the, everything that doesn't fly or teleport should and could be, a lot of it be medical. I mean, I've seen some technologies at a underground lab on the Mexican-American border, El Paso, that you can regrow a limb, a severed spinal cord could be corrected. Are you serious? Yes. But that's not being widely distributed? No, because the physics behind, I don't know if you have a physics background. The physics behind that. Scalar. No, transdimensional physics would be able to also quickly to any scientist,

be converted to, oh, I can generate energy from that. All right? So in the energy sector that runs the planet, where everyone's dependent on this line of super tankers and power plants and all of that, the whole Bretton Woods with the petro dollar, the dollar being the reserve currency because of petroleum, basically.

A Ramco, and Saudi Arabia was basically set up by the CIA. So all of that integrated macroeconomic, issue is really one of the core reasons for the secrecy. And so any technology that would open that door, they don't want out because it threatens the current order. And when I explained this to the Honorable Paul Hillier, who had been Minister of Defense, I was one of the reasons why he came out publicly. We did a press conference together in Toronto. His, before he contacted me, he contacted a four-star general in the United States, because he read a, book called The Day After Roswell by Philip Corso.

And then he realized this four-star general, he said, is this three, he says, oh, yeah, that and more. That general had been read on to it. And so he called me up, and we met. And I spent a lot of time at his place in Toronto. Choice Hotels get you more of what you value. Comfort in, it's calling your name. Save on the state. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim.

Book direct at storeshiltails.com. And I explained to him the whole macroeconomic order, how it runs, who runs it, etc. And it turned out he was a macroeconomist. I've never connected UFOs and ETs to the science and technology part dealing with energy. I say, well, bingo, that's the heart of it right there. That and the militarization of the relationship between humans and non-human so that the military industrial complex and be this global behemoth that keeps sucking money out of the people and governments in endless war. Have you heard the name Tim Taylor ever? No, I don't know him.

What about Ron Pandolfi? Have you heard that name? Oh, sure. What do you think of him? Because he comes up a lot in this topic as somebody interested in it. and yeah, she... You know, look, I mean, you bring up names a lot. You know what Eleanor Roosevelt said? Yeah, she did.

So you're insulting me. Small minds talk about people, mediocre minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas. So you don't want to talk about Pandolfi. Well, there are a lot of... You can name a list forever. Yes, of course he has been involved in those things. And I think he's another person who's...

very knowledgeable and had been read on very early on in his career and who I think really I believe really wants a correct outcome okay okay so I think there are a lot of people that are you know what one of one of Jake's guys said to me wonderful man brilliant a name Don Paul I don't know if you Don Paul. Yeah, I've heard great thing. I saw him get interviewed and Jake's just a wonderful man. Yeah. He had picked me up once in LA when I was doing something and and he dropped me off. I don't know. I did it at Airbnb where I was staying and he said, he said, Dr. Greer, thank you for what you're doing for those of us stuck on the other side. And what he meant by that, we're stuck on the, in the side of these illegal. run shadowy legacy programs, but they're patriots, they're good men and women. They want out,

but they need a way out. So that's what I'm trying to get the president through these five executive orders. Here they are, one page. It's putting his hands. He has this. Very cool. Is that one of them has to be this complete amnesty and immunity and physical protection of these people so they can come forward with everything they have. Right. But you can't expect people to do that naked, uncovered. If they're doing so, it could result in their families being killed or they're being imprisoned under false pretenses. So I tell people why, what good is there having an FBI? is what I'd say to Mr. Cash, Patel, if it's not going to be used against the worst criminal enterprise

within the U.S., the true deep state, that is victimizing patriots and heroes, trying to come forward. I mean, this nonsense needs to come to a screeching halt. And a lot of these men and women, that's what they're waiting for. And we got really close to it when Congress was supposed to pass that bill to give them safe, harbor amnesty and protect them, but it was gutted by Turner, Rogers, Pelosi, some other people. For the skeptics out there, do you have a most kind of visceral, convincing piece of evidence that you've seen in your life or you're in possession of either a document or a piece of material where you're like, this is disclosure for me? You know, this is kind of obvious?

It was the weight of the evidence. And, you know, I don't have. a dead ET body or a craft I can haul out. But that's what I'm hoping this special operations team can acquire. Well, there you go. Because we know where they are. Do you feel like you're being... So I know where the under... You know, if you look at our map that's in...

Hold that up. This is the brief... There is a map in there that actually has where all the key black sites are and where all this stuff is. We'll throw it on. But it's all based on, frankly, intel from all these whistleblowers. Yeah, well, you had deep under... underground military bases are across the U.S.

And Bechtel has built a lot of them. I think we used techniques used by the Nazis, actually, after in World War II. Because in our archive, we have the actual 1960s patent for a nuclear power tunnel-y device. Let me explain how it works. It goes through bedrock and basically turns it into glass. Whoa. And so you have connectors from Nellis, Area 51, to Edwards, go underground, boom. from the capital out to the mountains in Virginia.

These have all been built. Now, of course, they don't want to disclose because it's a nuclear-powered thing if it malfunctioned, but it's a nuclear-powered device that Bechtel and other corporations have used to build not only the connectors but the deep underground facilities. Most people call them stiffs, subterranean facilities.

Some people call them Doms, deep underground military bases. But it's a bit of a misnomer because military would connote the legal military. So you have the shadow government military, the NEOI, Senator Inoui talked about, and you have the conventional. Now when I was briefing the senior investigators for Senate Intelligence Committee, when I first started meeting with them, they didn't know we had these facilities. They didn't know we had man-made UFOs. They didn't know the NRO had neutrino light detectors on, I'm picking up the signature of the ET craft and knocking them down. They didn't know, and the list,

goes on and on. And interestingly, the main guy was talking with in his portfolio of oversight for the Senate Intelligence Committee was the NRO, CIA, and NSA. Totally had no knowledge of it. So I tell people, this is where it gets scary for me, as a young doctor, when I discovered something this important is being taken out of the hands of the oversight of we, the people's government, the government that we elect and the people we appoint. And then the people who are in that system, because they're there, are basically not answering to the Constitution, the president, or the will of the people, and the Congress. They're answering to this cabal of corrupt enterprises. And that is a very dangerous thing when you're dealing with technology at this level and the human

future. And this is where I'm fiercely defec-you know what it is. I feel like I'm a one-man anti-defamation league for ETs because everyone out there wants to have the good ones and the bad ones where we're going to have Star Wars and Cowboys and Indian in space and an endless war of I'm going oh my God, can you just grow up out of that? I mean this is so first of all it's so stupid. I mean it's dumb. Dumb I mean it's like but it's hard to speculate on these things. No, it isn't. We don't have great data. You know, because you haven't studied my stuff.

We have great data. I've been looking through it. Go look up this reference that Jacques Valais's document from the CIA has. Black and white says we're conducting the abductions. But it's not just in the United States. These operations are global. So again, the other thing I said, so in the SCIF, a secure compartment information facility, I'm in there,

and there's a map on the wall. And it's a normal map of the world with all the geopolitical boundaries. I said, see that map? The boundary between America and Canada, erase it. The boundary between Mongolia and China, erase it. The boundary between wherever, India and China. It's gone.

This organization moves with alacrity across the globe because their technologies allow complete covert movement, invisible movement. And they have assets everywhere. We know that there have been apparently a man-made UFO that went down in Russia. We've gotten that confirmed recently from the Special Operations Team. Wow.

And there was one that crashed and went down in northern Iran that we had to try to go in and tomp down. But this is the next one that just came out. Ouch. It hurts the bend. I have these three big puncture things in my abdomen. So this is disclosure and illustrated history. And it's a 220, 30-page book that has all the... I wonder where the Herrera one is.

Yeah. So they have all these cases. Oh, here's... It's amazing. Here's the Tic-Tac. Oh, there you go. San Diego, California, 2004. Yeah, but we have one in there as a contrast from 1967 in Pennsylvania and 1991 off the Azores.

Here is the Raytheon triangle at Fort Irwin. That is man-made. And the guy who saw it in detail, because he picked up some night skits he was told not to, saw that there was this one, and then they were holographically projecting several others. This could be used in a false alien invasion, like a hoaxed invasion. And then that later, he and his wife got abducted by this thing and tortured. Whoa. And it was Raytheon.

And everyone, I would say I have a million people. Do you have proof that it was Raytheon? Oh, yeah, because he said the men who took him there were Raytheon operatives. They took him aside, wanted to show him this. But not without the night's scope. So he saw more detail than they wanted. And for that reason, it ruined his life. Stephen Dignor, wonderful man.

Wow. And Wernher von Braun was convinced that there would be this sort of false flag operation? Sure, because he knew when he died in 74, that was all fully operational. You work with his assistant, right? His last spokesperson for his life, Carol Rosen's on our team. Wonderful woman. She's been trying to get a treaty signed that should have been signed decades ago, keeping these weapons out of space.

Didn't she also tell you, though, that... I'll let you find the one. That Warner von Braun used psychotronic weapons technology against her or something. Use some psychotronic technique. With it against her, it was for him to transmit to her a speech he wanted to give to a big conference. Wow. And he used like a mind interface, yeah.

Neurolink sort of thing, but without the wires. You know what Elon's working with with neuralink. Think of it, what Jake's talked about with psionics. Think of being able. This is where my specialty came in back after my contact experience in 73. Is I realize that these civilizations have technologies that interface directly with coherent thought. So not just any scattered thing. But like if you like, the consciousness field is not limited.

by space time and which means it is essentially omnipresent so if you operate at a level of understanding that and then with thought intend you can reach any place in space time but also you can transmit information that way and it can be received but they're not just doing it telepathically like like gurus they have technologies it look like a little box or a little device that can receive directed thought, consent, and transmit. So in 1991, I wrote a paper went all through the aerospace industry and CIA, which kind of also put me on the radar, talking about technology-assisted consciousness, right, where that your technology can assist you and the ability, but also consciousness-assisted

technology, where your thought, bioelectric field and thought can actually turn on a computer or affect remote places. But it can be done innately, you know, just through those powers and abilities that some telepathic and telekinetic people have, but it can be done technologically assisted. So that's why I call it TAC and CAT. So that's in my first book, extraterrestrial contact

the evidence and implications, but it's from 99. You can still get it. But I think that that describes this, And that is exactly what they have. So interstellar communications don't involve a smartphone going at the speed of light. They involve node-to-node quantum entanglement. So if you know what quantum entanglement is, every point in space is connected to every other

in sort of a holographic non-locality. And so whether you're an Andromeda galaxy and you're here, two and a half million light years, you're not going with a you know a Verizon signal at the speed of light because it would take two and a half million years to go one way

answer the call it'd be another two and a half million years it's going node to node through entanglement but there are technologies that assist with that but when you get to that level of physics you also get into the

telekinetic psionic telepathic capabilities which can be interfaced technologically so that's actually what we're doing with CE5 contact. We're not using any technologies,

but we know our friend, the visitors, they have it. So if you can remote view them, connect to them, and then invite them. We don't summon them. I told Jake, don't use the word summon. You summon your butler. If you're the king of England,

you summon your ballot. These are not your servants. It's a disrespectful term. We invite them. And so we say what we're trying to do is create a rapprochmal and a contact between human and non-human for peaceful purposes. We're not here to summon them over and kill them. So that's the philosophy, let's say, or ethos behind CE5 contact.

And, you know, there are millions of people around the world doing that, and amazing. That gets me the most grief, you know, Jake and I've talked about, other people have talked about. But it's also why the CIA and military intelligence took us most seriously. Yeah. Because they knew it worked. I mean, they knew when we had this group in 92 on a beach near Pensacola, and we had this 60 people for a week in demonstrating this, four of these craft just pop up right into the, right there.

They seem to take intense interest in people who attract UFO. So in you, this Chris Bledso, this case in North Carolina, where Hal Pauvinmeyer this long time now. Oh, and then he's been intercepted by Jim Simivan and other disinformation people who are eschatologists. So do you think he... They're fanatic. who want the end of the world. Do you think Chris Letso actually saw something? Oh, sure, I'm likely. I don't know him.

I don't know because by the time I learned about he had already been intercepted. But you think he got intercepted? He saw something and then... Absolutely. Absolutely. Most people are, you know, you know, legit. And you think their interest, these military intel guys, their interest is in eschatology. Is in like... No, not all. I mean, like I said, you know, don't, you can't be simplistic here. Some are about macroeconomics, power, control, military industrial, endless, for others have this sort of belief system that we have to have some kind of endgame Armageddon nonsense in order for Christ to come back or the Messiah if you're Jewish or whatever or the

Mitra or Buddhist you know all of that is of course I think a misinterpretation of things I don't think it's the end of the world is the end of this era the opening of another a golden age so I think if you look at what the so-called current cycle of the last 400,000 years, that's one cycle. I think we're coming to the end of that cycle and opening a cycle that will be universal. That'll be about another 500,000 years. That'll be marked by universal peace, not just world peace, interstellar travel, a very advanced society here. And people being liberated financially and by the means of work.

So their work week will become 10, 15 hours, and they'll be pursuing the development of higher states of consciousness and all these other abilities that are innately within us, the human potential part. So I think that's where we should be going. Now there are other people when it's just a, it's like the Hopi prophecy. One line goes up and the other one terminates. The question is, do we want to be on the termination line? In which case, the only way to go forward is for our civilization and come out of the dust, like at the Phoenix out of the ruins. Rise from the ashes. Which can happen, but why choose that when we can choose something else?

Yeah. So right now, the door is open for us to make that choice, individually, collectively. The people who are proffering false information about the alien threat that we don't have these technologies, if you say we don't have them, then everything going on, you can ascribe to aliens when it's not. That's the false flag. That's what I'm going to go after. Because people who say that, they're lying. They're either ignorant or they're lying.

Now, Elon Musk recently said on Joe Rogan, he has an all-access pass through Lockheed and Northrop, and we don't have any of these technologies. The best technology out there is his rocket. To be honest with you, I don't know the gentleman. I have no idea if he's not been read on or if he's deliberately deceiving. What would be your guest?

I wouldn't wager one, because I could see it either way. Because of the level of people I've met with and I met with recently. He's got to know. If in the world in which UFOs and zero point energy, all these things are real, he's got to be the, you know. No, but here's the problem. He doesn't have an all-access path?

I was once at a meeting with a chairman of SRI and AT&T. Do they have compartment operations that have dealt with this? Bell Labs and all that. This was back in the 90s. And they said to me, we suspect there are projects in our companies, Stanford Research Inter-Rat, dealing with this, but we're read onto them. So there's a very big mistake people make. Oh, he's the president, he's chairman of Senate intelligence, he's another general I briefed

was the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Now, for people don't know, DIA, Defense Intelligence, agency is the top military intelligence organization for the whole Pentagon and military like CIA is for civilian. And I briefed a three-star general, Patrick Hughes. He had absolutely gotten him briefing materials before the meeting like I had for Admiral Wilson and these sort of things. He had no knowledge.

And when he made an inquiry, he just got brushed off. And yet I have a disclosure project witness at work for DIA and with an also. also NRO imaging these objects, okay, out in space. And he was very upset, General Hughes, because I'm in the conference room for the general. And I said, look, there are people on your staff who absolutely have been read into this, and they're lying to you. How does that work?

Like, just as far as there being no clear chain of command, like, how do you have pockets of middle management that are read in? It's corruption. And then higher up, you know, their superiors don't know what's going on. Because I've heard stories like that. They're huge organizations and the people who are corrupt who are getting money out. They get kind of paid backdoor by the international transnational. They're cutouts.

They're operatives. And, you know, I mean, there are all kinds of knocks, non-official cover people. So this is really an issue of both corporate and American sovereignty because it's you're sort of, you have this like backdoor funneling of money in many cases. Yes. There's the legal black budget of the United States. that the president and a gang of eight, the top people in the Congress know about. Sure.

Not all the congressmen. And I deal with those folks, but then there's the illegal black budget. And I tell people, let's make it simple for the average person. You know, if we get billed $2 $2 stealth bomber, it's probably costing less than $100 million to make it.

I mean, come on once you've made a few of them. Does B2 stand with a bi-field brown? Do you think it's town of the round? Wait, let me finish. The rest of the money goes out the back door, the other $1.8 or $1.9 billion, the back door into these clandestine illegal man-made UFO projects. So, you know, I've been over sites where these objects that are man-may

come up out of the desert, up to an opening, come up into the air, and they're 100% man-made. And I would say that almost everyone in the normal government, let's call it the regular, would think it was, oh my God, it's a UAP. Well, I guess it is. It's unexplained to them.

It's an unknown to them. But see, that's where it's dangerous. Because one of the reasons I had the meeting with General Hughes was one of his colleagues, If you look at our disclosure witness, Merle Shane McDowell, look it up, it's in here. He was working under Sink Atlantic Command, the Commander-in-Chief Atlantic Command in Norfolk. And they went to a full-code zebra alert, which means the facility shut down. You had to have zebra stripes on your badge, or you were shocked by the Marines service M-16s.

Everyone had to be cleared out. I've been there. It's an underground place. It's where World War III would be fought. all the nuclear submarines that we have. I've been in there. My military escort took me in. Admiral Train, Admiral Harry Train back then,

this was in the 80s. An object came in off the coast of Newfoundland, and it was what you said about Jack Kennedy trying to de-conflict this problem with the Soviets. We thought it was a Soviet object or missile. And so he picked up the red line to the Soviet Union. This was the 80s. It wasn't theirs.

It wasn't ours, or that he knew of. It came off down the coast, ended up being on five radar stations. We deployed an aircraft to shoot it down. And it couldn't, but it took, had gun camera, and the admiral and this gentleman saw that footage. I don't have it. It's somewhere.

And, but the admiral was shaken to his, he had no idea what this was. We could have gone the nuclear war over this, mishap. Think about it. The guy sitting there in some commander-in-chief Atlantic Command, four-star admiral, not read into this. So when I found out the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency wasn't red on, he's the top of that whole system for military intelligence, I realize this is really dangerous that people at that level of our government are completely unaware of this and could mistake a man-made UFO with an alien one or something from another country and trigger World War III, either on off planet or on planet.

So this information is of enormous national security consequence, but it's never been treated that way. See, this is the problem. You know, it's movies, it's podcasts, it's entertainment, it's, but no, this is of the gravest level of national security of anything I've ever heard of. And I've been around a long time, looking at a lot of spooky stuff. So, this, That is where, this is how a country like ours or others get, they get sort of stumble into a war. Is what happened with Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So we have to be careful here. Because here we're not talking about a kinetic war with boom boom, you know, bombs and cannons and the meat grinder of Ukraine and Russia.

We're talking about something that's very dangerous. Orders of magnitude more dangerous. and it simply is not being looked at and managed in a way. Now, these executive orders that, one, I mentioned the ones about the whistleblowers and having an operation to get these stood down, like the facilities that have been targeting these craft that are E.T. and knocking them down,

that needs to be stood down because that could lead to World War III. And we need one that requires all these operations to fully disclose within six months or the people involved would be prosecuted for treason and other crimes. We need an executive order to authorize an advanced diplomatic team based on CE5 contact to make peaceful contact with these non-human. Because there has been no response from humans that has been anything but denial or violent? Very ridiculous. That's why I started this whole project in 1990. It was to address this issue that they're there, but how are we reaching out to them? Nobody is. Not the United Nations,

no foreign ministry, our State Department. It's all off. It's an unknown subject. So that has to be done. And we need an executive order authorizing the review and release of the technologies. as I said, but excluding things that could be used as a weapon system, right? But things that would ameliorate the environmental problems and poverty on the planet and eventually give the whole world what this executive chairman of this big corporation said, free energy for the whole world because you're pulling energy out of this subatomic field. Hydrogen atom is key to this, by the way. Interesting.

Yeah. Well, we're getting to the weeds through physics, but... If you were able to separate the oxygen and hydrogen bonds... Oh, the hydrogen atom. I'm talking about the atom. So what people don't... Here's the secret about Stan Myers' little giddy. He didn't know it at the time because they didn't have the tools to measure it.

It was an empirical observation. I mean, it was just observed in the real world. So empiricism is the foundation of most science. You know, like we can observe the effect of something like, a substance that's in Foxglove, the herb, digitoxin, which actually is used in medicine for congestive heart failure. Well, it was discovered a hundred and some years ago. We observed the effect, but it was only very recently that we knew what the actual mechanism of action at a molecular and physics level was of this 100-year-old medicine. Same thing with aspirin. We knew it had these

effects. We didn't know how it worked until not that long ago. So this man, Stan Meyer observed an effect that at certain frequencies, water would dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen at less than the Faraday constant. The amount of energy needed to dissociate it. What he didn't know, which has been documented, we mentioned this in our documentary, The Lost Century, if anyone wants to look at it, go to Tubi, it's up there for free. And it describes that when you do the very electrostatic high voltage

system he was using at certain frequencies, it creates these tiny little like ball lightning effects that it kind of tiny little explosions that activate and perturb, stimulate that zero point quantum vacuum field. And that's why the energy that he was getting out, in other words, if you just took the energy of oxygen and water, I mean oxygen and hydrogen, that if you separated them into the Duke gases and burned it. He was getting much more energy than that, but he didn't know where it was coming from. That's where it's coming from. So now we know the physics of that. And I would like to see if anyone's listening who's actually venture capital, let's start a venture capital fund to do this. Because I've got the people who can do it,

but we don't have the funding. But here's a warning to you money-grubbing horrors. It's going to be open-sourced. It's going to be like GitHub. It's going to be put out openly to the public. We have a mutual friend, Adam Curry, who's super deep in a lot of these technologies. Oh, yeah, he's a wonderful guy. Yeah, he's great, yeah, a big fan of his. But someone's going to have to actually set up a secure lab that would be, you know, blockchained, open to the Internet. Everything going on is known in real time, no secret sale back.

So you're not going to do the whole, here's the problem. People think they're so clever. They're going to work on this and it'll be secret. Yeah, until they kill you. The Stan Meyer guys, you know, those guys who got the Stan Meyer collection and that Torroid, all of them at one were killed. And before they were killed, that Lord, I won't say his name, Lord So-and-So, out of the United Kingdom, who was a funder, called me up and said, Dr. Greer, we need your help,

day late and a dollar short. They're after them. They figured out how these things work, and they think they need to move their lab from Michigan to another country. I said, bro, you're going to have to move your lab to another star system. This organization will hunt you down anywhere. And what they need to do is dump everything they have through blockchain on the internet and out to the public. But see, they had such a, excuse my language, they had a hard on for getting the money and monetizing it and pat and keeping it, you know, their own little secret thing. Next thing I, so I wrote a whole pay, I, I, I,

I don't know, a couple-page things, strategy for them. I think it's in our archive. It is. But taking the name off of the Lord, so-and-so, because he doesn't want to be known publicly. That's amazing, though. Somebody in the House of Lords was funding this free energy project? Well, I mean, everyone's interested in this,

if you've got a thinking mind, and you're concerned about the world, if you care about the world at all, but it was done incorrectly. And I warned them at the front end of it. I said, if you do this the way you're planning to do it, you're dead men walking. Sure enough. A few years later, I meet with a guy in Orange County who knew the one survivor of that.

And the guy was crying like a baby. He said, all the rest were killed. I said, of course. What do you think would happen? They were obscure, secret, unprotected. And you don't, I don't care if you're Elon Musk, you don't have enough money to keep yourself safe from that crowd. How do you think you... So you have to open source it.

How do you think you've been able to survive? attempts have been made on your life, right? Oh, sure. Yeah. And do you feel protected by the ETs? Yes. You do? Yeah.

Even guided by them? Yep. Wow. That's fascinating. They have a security team. Wow. That's amazing. Like a physical security team, or it's more like sort of ephemeral as far as how they...

No, it's both. Yeah. But, I mean, look, they can move between dimensions. Wow. You know, I put... Look, when I died, one of the great things of having been so... sick and died, this is kind of worse because I mean, but you, if you have that kind of experience, I'm not particularly religious at all, but in terms of organized religion,

but spiritual, yes, and Jake and I've talked about that, is that what you're afraid of what? you know if you know that your conscious self continues in higher and higher states of consciousness forever why are you so you know make my day and kill me i've seen the other side it's beautiful so i don't want to i mean look i have 12 grandkids and four daughters i mean i'm not going anywhere unless it's my time my ticket gets punched i'm out you know but um so i sort of like give it to the great spirit you know and say well what happens happens. But what it means is it liberates you from having your life guided through

fear. So remember how controlling fear is. Fear of the aliens, fear of Armageddon, fear of being tortured, fear of poverty, fear of having your secrets exposed, fear, these evildoers, these thugs control through fear. But remember, fear is the mind killer. It makes people, take leave of their intellect and their spiritual faculties. So that is why demagogues, religious, political, what have you, they're very adept at utilizing fear for control. That's my big concern and my beef with most people in the UFO subculture who put out these fearsome, dystopian views of the ETs,

but also at the same breath cover up the fact we have the technology to stage everything that would look E.T. that isn't. So with that being said, if it's just at a UFO conference with a few hundred aficionados of this, that's one thing. But when it gets to where someone like that is in major media or talking to Don Jr., this nonsense, I have a problem with that because that has consequences. So people need to be very careful about that

because there's a whole team of people who are attached to senior national security now who know that's going on. And if we can get a law enforcement operation stood up, not just investigate because we're doing that, but to actually act, take action, anyone on the wrong side of this, wittingly, knowingly, is going to be in a world of trouble. Because you're really talking about colluding with a treasonous group of people who are an imminent threat to national. security. So I say that, and people say, are you making a threat? I said, no. I'm just saying that it goes to follow that once people at a certain level a government realized that they've been had and they've been deceived and lied to, they have the mechanism to fix it. Now maybe it would

be fixed clandestinely, we wouldn't know about it. Fine. But I'm saying to the public, anyone who has actionable intelligence needs to come forward to us very soon. If you're on the wrong of this, we can get you on the right side, and we can get you immunity, right? We can't. Now, even without an executive order, law enforcement at a certain level has the ability to immunize people. If, big if, they completely come clean. So it's transactional in the sense that you would have to come clean with everything and not be involved any further into illegal operations. and then you would be immunized. So I was told a few months ago that can be done.

So I'm making an appeal to people. Now if you're going to do it, now's the time to do it. You want to be on the right side of history. You don't want to be on the wrong side of this. Because ultimately truth will come out about it. And it's going to be better for people if they do what Jake and his guys are trying or just starting to do a little bit and step over into the correct side of it.

What do you think of his new private venture, his company? Oh, I don't know. I mean, you know, wishing luck. I mean, so long as it's non-kinetic against the ETs, it's fine. I think mostly what they're encountering are our stuff. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, because it's on a range that where our stuff might fly or something. Look, remember 80, 90% of our stuff,

everything people see out there, they're calling a UAP is our stuff. Uh-huh. I mean, and a lot of it is so advanced now, it can mimic an ET. Wow. So it takes a lot of information and experience to distinguish the two. But he would have the experience, right, to distinguish? No, he even admits that it's at the point that I will admit that, as I said earlier, this technology curve keeps going up of human reverse engineering.

So when you've had some of the highest IQ brains in the world, gifted, who worked in these programs, studying the real ET material, material science, physics, all of it, you're going to eventually be at a level of close to parity, where what happens is that even a very experienced operator, like Jake and his guys, or me, and I've been involved in contact with ET since I was eight years old, seeing them, you know, and then even more intimate contact, you can be easily deceived, and this is dangerous. So this is why 30 years ago I raised the alarm bell, this is going on, but technology doesn't stand still. It's not like we got the ARV from 19, late 50, 60s, you know, that Mark McAllish's drawings and, you know,

Brad Sorensen went to this air show in 1988, that's in here. Yeah, you have the mama bear and papa bear, acorn-shaped UFOs. Yes. And he was shown this video, and he was with this Italian financier, and they go to this sort of back-of-the-house thing. And then they have these magneto-hydrodynamic drives underneath. Yeah, but the hangar at Norton, which has been decommission, 88, that was an air show to get more money from the Reagan era people.

And there were three of them. There was the baby, the mama, and the granddad. And those three, that was real. But you know when those were built? When were they built? Late 50s, early 60s. Well, they had a lot of weird tear on them, according to Brad Sorens. I have a full transcript of Brad Sorensen talking to an aerospace writer.

And those components on the inside were from the Mercury Space Capsule Era. Wow. Late 50s, early 60s. But then James Allen, the creator of the movie about Mark McCandlish Zero Point or whatever, He died of an aggressive form of cancer, and they found heavy metals in his autopsy. I don't know if you're familiar. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, a lot of people in my team, I've had, I was me and my best friend and assistant at the time,

and a member of Congress all got aggressive metastatic cancers. Jesus. Yeah, I almost died. I had metastatic malignant melanoma. You think that was brought on by this topic? Oh, yeah, absolutely. We know how it's done. I've gone through hell.

But the point I'm making is those the folks involved in these programs who want to come forward, you know, they are at some significant risk until the government of the good guys, let's say, in government representing we the people who aren't read into this, stand up an operation to stop it. Because otherwise it's an unchecked rogue power, unbelievably malicious intent. And you know, you can't let that go on for, I mean, it's been going on for 70 years. Yeah. Can't go on for another 10. I don't think it can go on for another 5th. This is why I think whether you love or like him, the current president in that administration is going to have to deal with this. If we're at technological parity, whether they like it or not. If we're at technological

parity with these extraterrestrials, how can we be sure that the crashes that, or not even crashes, the vehicles that Jake, Barber, and his team retrieved were, in fact, of extraterrestrial origin, the egg and the egg and the eight-gone at these test ranges in California. If we're at parity and it's hard to distinguish, how do we know? Well, you have to actually get to the point where who's on board. And is it a man-made alien or a real one? Because we have man-made ones that are both robotic and partially biological.

Is there anything about his testimony that makes you confident? You know, I think he seems very sophisticated and experienced, Oh, no, I'm, no, he has definitely dealt with retrieving the non-human, but he's also has seen and seen the testing of the man-made ones. Okay. And so it's his experience with both that gives him conviction. Yes. And then it's hard to say because a lot of this stuff is classified as far as the differences or whatever. Because I'm just trying to think through it first principles for me. Right. And I'm like, I don't.

And I go through the same algorithm when I'm out there with my team looking at something. Got it. You know, is it real or is it Memorex, like the old commercials? You know, is it a well-done human facsimile? Yeah. Or is an actual extraterrestrial vehicle or NHI craft. Now, the best way to do it is if that object responds very clearly to what I call the coherent fault intention, that ain't ours. That's ET.

So one of the tests we do is conscious mind. matter consciousness technology interface and if that is gets confirmed very likely it's ET if it doesn't I'm kind of agnostic about it and say well that might have been ours it might have been theirs and it without enough data who knows and we have had experiences where the ETs themselves have teleported right into our circle or near our circle we have a couple great photographs of them. Why are you so controversial? I tweeted today that I'd be speaking to you. I was very excited for this. For me, this is a long time coming. I was really excited to just that

deep with you. And I want to say most people were pretty positive on Twitter, but there was a subset of people that were like, ask them about the flares at the CE5 thing. Like you see put out. Yeah, you know, that was put out. I'm going, I don't know anyone who's ever done that at any of our events. And I certainly have it. So you're on record. That's, that's fake according to you. Oh, 100%. 100%. But here's what's going to happen. Anything like that could be an orb.

If you want someone who wants a defame, you're just say, oh, well, that was something Greer paid someone. First of all, I don't have the assets to do that. And secondly, I've never done something like that. Put me under a sodium pentothal. But those things are put out there to discredit someone who's actually telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That's what they don't want to hear. They want you to tell a partial truth that complies.

courts with the false disclosure. So there's two disclosures trying to happen. This is the actual truthful disclosure. And there's the truth that serves the secret agenda. In 1999, go look it up. I wrote a paper. And it's called when disclosure serves secrecy. So when a disclosure is spun in the direction,

a la Elizondo, a la Sheehan, a la Gary Nolan, a la Sheehan, you know, like Sheehan? Well, he was our lawyer, but then he went over to Elizondo. Would you ever debate Elizondo? Oh, sure, no problem.

I think he's going to be in town tomorrow. Yeah, all the time. Do you have any? I'm on another show, and then I fly up tomorrow night, and I've been injured. Okay. But this is the, I don't know if you showed this when Mr. Herrera was there. Oh, yeah, he had a model of this. Oh, good, good, good.

Yeah, so just so to. So this is one of the cases in this new book. By the way, everyone can order this. It's hard and soft copy. That's an awesome book. Yeah. Yeah. And Michael Schrat is a great illustrator.

And research. No, he didn't do the illustrations. Oh, he didn't do the illustrations? No, those were done by a professional artist. Okay, okay. And some of them he had done before we had paid to go. Well, he helped organize your archive, right? And he's a former Lockheed, Martin?

Yep. Yeah, but not doing this stuff. He was drafting and doing stuff that conventional went. Okay. You know, Mr. Schrat was not part of the skunk works. Got it. Got it. By the way.

Yeah. James Goodall, Jim Goodall's friend of mine. And he probably was the last man to talk to Ben Rich. Ben Rich, for he died. He said, you know, Ben Rich said, anything you can imagine that you've seen at Star Trek and this and that, we already have done at the Skunk Works. And then he said, it's not at Area 51.

It's out in the desert there. If you want to talk regarding Jim Goodall, I'll be happy to get him on the phone right at this very second if you want to. We'll do this live. Let's call. This is awesome. Hey, Jim, are you there? That's okay.

That's okay. So just a quick review. I'm doing this in real time. I'm in Austin, Texas. I'm with Jesse Michaels. I'm doing an interview. We were talking about John Lear. We were talking about your good friend at you nowhere.

So could you talk about, you know, paraphrase here, talk about what Ben Rich told you at the hospital just before he. passed away. End of a 45-minute conversation. He said, Jim, we have things out in the desert, and he wasn't referring to Area 51. We have things on the desert that is 50 years beyond what you can comprehend. I can comprehend a hell of a lot. And he said, if you've seen movies like Star Trek or Star Wars, we've been there, done that, or decided it wasn't worth the effort.

I've been to that site. I have videotape and photographs from my iPhone flying in a chopper over the Lockheed Skunkwork site where the man-made stuff comes up. Wow. So when I gave that to Senate Intelligence Committee in September of 23, about a year and a half ago,

about three weeks later, someone sawed through the bolt that holds my mountain bike seat on and it fell. And I went down and my, left leg came off. My foot came off. You see the pictures. And these two bones are in the air. My left shoulder was ripped off and my right lower abdomen was split off. I had four surgeries in three months. So it was an attempt on your leg. And who know? I mean, somebody messed with that. So, but, you know, I went through rehab and physical therapy and I'm back working out and I was

fine until this happened because I leg press 700 pounds and I work out hard. 700 pounds. Oh my god. Yeah. That's amazing. I work out. I mean, I'm an old guy, but I try to stay strong. Most of the people I... You're 70 and your bench, your leg pressing. Yeah, in June, June I'll be 70 and June 28th. That's impressive, man. So I just work out hard, but luckily because I work out hard, you know, I was in good enough shape that the rehab period, you know, it was hard. I mean, and because I had no arm or leg, I was in a wheelchair and And anyone who knows me knows I'm very active, and it was like, that was torture. So, but I recovered and been fine until my appendix ruptured yesterday.

You don't need your appendix. It's a vestigial. Vestigial organ, snip, snip. That's right. When the nurse was rolling me out last night at about 10 or whatever at the hospital, I'm in a wheelchair because I'm still kind of a little loopy from the anesthesia. And she says, have you forgotten me? anything because I had to get dressed and I said well I think I forgot or I've left my

appendix back there and I said go get my appendix I was joking that's gone for good oh we cut up a lot I mean as an ER you know I'll tell you when you're dealing with major emergency trauma like I did you got to develop a sense of humor yeah or you're gonna eat your gun you know I mean this stuff when you deal at this level you got to have a sense of humor I mean yeah and you got to have fun Yeah. And you got to have, I mean, my assistant here, Raven, and is an angel. She's 27 years with me.

My wife and I, 46 years together. Congratulations. I have dear friends that I've been with for 50 years. So, you know, you have to develop a support team. Yeah. A network of people who, you know, and you have to learn to have fun. Yeah. I'm a party animal.

If you ever go out partying with, I'm wild, man. That's funny. I feel like I've become more... Oh, I'll be out three or four in the morning having a great time. I've become more lame since... All my... You know, whatever partying I used to do

has gone into the craziness of the topic. The topic is so crazy that I'm like... You've got to bring balance, man. You have to balance, yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. Balance. Mind, body, spirit. You have to balance that all. That's true. Yeah, always.

Yeah, everything in moderation, including moderation. Everything in moderation. Oh, no, I've never done drugs or anything, but, you know, I was telling someone, Someone once bought me a third tequila shot. Yeah. Oh, my God, wasn't tequila?

I got so wild. It was on Halloween. I never had had a tequila shot. I never drank that liquor. But it was like, whoa, you know, I was like, wild man turned loose, you know. Well, maybe at some point we'll be partying with the E.T. Yeah, man. They have, actually, they have a great sense of humor.

Uh-huh. They can be very playful and childlike. Uh-huh. And very into high cues, if we had a scale, 450 in that range. Do you think they're hybrids among us? Well, look, I think all of life in the universe is a hybrid. We're going to get into something here that's very complex. Okay.

But if you understand Rupert Scheldricks and morphogenic fields. Oh, yeah, he's a friend of mine. I love him. Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant guy. Yeah. So anything that starts to happen through non-locality and the conscious field can begin to replicate. So look at the entire creation that way. Yeah. So I look at this from a very, you know, conscious quantum holographic point of view, which integrates, it's integrative. Now,

there's a place for reductionism where you break everything in the parts. I mean, medicine, science, you have to do that. But there's a place to also bring in this more holistic and the whole, that's a totality of it that has to do with the conscious holography of the cosmos. And that's what's fascinating. I think civilizations that have survived this sort of crazy time we're in

and have made it through the nuclear threshold and the trans-dimensional threshold and become peaceful, one of the reasons why I don't think they're hostile is that if you have that consciousness that humans have, you're going to destroy yourself before you get out of your solar system. Look at us.

On the brink of World War III with Russia and China. You know, if you don't evolve a certain level of peaceful consciousness. So I always tell people we have a lot of problems, but the root of it is very, not religious. The root of it is social, spiritual, conscious evolution. Because if we don't evolve to a certain level of that consciousness, a peace and seeing the oneness of life here and out there, there's no future for humanity because we're not using just muskets and bows and arrows or even whatever.

Now we have weapons of mass destruction that can destroy the planet. And in these covert programs, they have technologies way beyond a hydrogen bomb that are supercharged quantum potential scalar type weapons. So you really can't go forward as a... the people. And I think that other civilizations have passed this way before. And if they survive that threshold, or maybe they crashed and came back out of it, they've learned a very big lesson. What I'd like to see is humanity come out of this era where we are now instead of crashing completely, transforming into a new civilization and a new awareness about this. And I think it can happen,

but we need to articulate it and sort of show that vision, that path forward. And it isn't going to happen by just continuously stirring up hatred. See, the alien hatred thing, you know what I think it is, is an exploitation of the original sin of humans, and that's tribalism. So if you look at chimpanzees, we're 98% identical. They organize in the troops and engage in war.

We have that proclivity. That's where racism, homophobia, misogyny, ethnicity, everything we fight over, it's demagogues being able to trigger that impulse. Now, the big one to trigger would be human versus non-human, right? You pull the whole world together as demagogues and people wanting power against another intelligent life form. Is that what Reagan was referring to in his speech when he said? Yes, because he had been gaslit. I knew the people who did it. Wow.

General Holman, I'm sorry, Colonel Holman, where he died, he was the one who sold SDI Star Wars to Reagan. And he told me before he died, he said, he was a full bird colonel. He had been on that committee selling Star Wars to, first tried to sell it to Carter, and Carter was too smart, didn't buy it. Then he told Reagan, so he said, we had a lot. Soviet Union, these other threats, da-da-da-da-da.

And where he really got him is that he convinced him of the alien threat. Now, he told me, he said, we knew that was false. But it got billions of dollars for SDI. So here's the other risk with President Trump, is that he could be shown a lot of false evidence. For example, you're going with a portfolio of gruesome vivisections and mutilations and abductions and other scary things, all done by Psiops from CIA and other cutouts.

But aren't some of these pre our ability to even, like my buddy Chris Ramsey, who runs a great channel called Area 52, he's an admirer of your work and consumed it for a while, but he always points to these, he said there's like in 1904, there's like this Chilean cattle mutilation series, and it's like,

we didn't have the ability to do this back then, did we? In 1904? Yeah, but see, I don't know what the evidence, how... Pre-My lab, you know. Who knows what that was back then and what technologies were used? If you have those capabilities, what are you using it for? I mean, obviously, if they wanted to overtake the Earth and humanity, they could have done it before we had the technologies we had by time we detonated the first atomic bomb.

Yep. Okay, so there's no internal logic to that thesis, is what I'm saying. Yeah. Now, there's a lot of reason to believe maybe there have been other civilizations that have done things where they're monitoring our evolution because they know in the future we could be friend or foe or we could go one way or another. And so some of this I liken to imagine if you're, well, here's a good analogy. Imagine you're me as an emergency doctor. Someone comes in, he's a two-year-old child with the symptoms of men and children. Right? Which can be fatal. All right. So I have to do a spinal tap and I have a needle this long, you know

So to the child, I'm a monster Who's having my nurses hold the child down in the fetal position that go in and get the cerebral spinal fluid off from around the spine to test it To see if there's bacterial or infection But to the child I'm torturing that child and I'm trying to save its life. I'm there with the best of intentions, doing everything I can to be sure this child doesn't die of meningitis or have brain damage and hearing loss. So I think we have to also be careful in taking just an empirical observation, let's say, in an ephemeral superficial way, and ascribing motive to it. Right?

Because think of how many things I've had to do as a doctor. Doesn't that flip the other way, too, though? Like, how can we know they're positive? You know what I mean? Because, as I said, the colonel in charge of the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base operations for this. Colonel Canola, when he said to me that. I went from the Rockefeller Ranch to there. Wow.

He was head of the foreign technology? FD. Well, at that time, it was called FASTIC, the foreign aerospace science. and technology center. They keep changing the name of it. You spoke to him directly. Oh, yeah. That meeting was ordered by the head of intelligence joint staff, not Kramer, but another one.

Not Tom Wilson, but Admiral Kramer ordered that meeting. You met with all these fascinating people. I don't know. Like, you know, I'm a fan of Joe Rogan, but I don't see how anybody can just write you off. Like, you really like. No, no. I mean, it's threat. That was a money thing with France or something.

I mean, look, I don't know. I mean, you ask Joe, he's a neighbor. yours, you know, fine. I'm happy to go on his show any time. I have no grudge against him. I just know that I'm blacklisted off of it. That's stupid. That's weird. Well, who cares? I mean, you know, I mean, I can reach a lot of people other ways. So what was your conversation like with the Well, you know, he thought I was coming there to see what he had. So I said, and I had my military advisor there and a guy who was a former state department, actually CIA guy there. And this meeting had been ordered from way above his pay grade. Now the head of Air Force intelligence

didn't want to do it, but the head of intelligence, the whole joint staff ordered it. I can talk about this now. So it happened. And the conversation kind of went like this. He went, well, you know, I really, I said, look, I'm not here to see what you have here. I already know what you have here. I have people who worked in your facility. Now, this is September. So I said, I don't need to see that. I know what you have. I'm here to let you know that we have an operation, CE5 contact, close-acters of it, and we want to de-conflict what we're doing with anything you and your colleagues are doing so that you don't interfere with us and we don't interfere with you. A lot of people don't know this. That was 93, really early on. So you kind of came to

them in peace. You weren't like, let's just all out. Yeah, but I also said, The Clinton administration is keen. He'd just taken office in January, this September, and this may come here. So you need to be prepared to cooperate. Yep. And then he said it one point, well, what makes you think that these civilizations aren't a threat?

You know, the whole party line. He was a colonel. He brainwashed like everybody else. And I go, well, we're having this conversation, aren't we? We're breathing the free air of earth. and the fact that we're still breathing the fear, the free air of earth, given the galactically stupid things we've been doing, targeting and downing their own craft and killing their own people, if they were hostile like you think, we'd be done.

Right. And he just looked at me. So I said, the proof that they're not is that you and I are still breathing Earth's air. What if they're impervious? What if it's like these biological drones where they're like, you know, This is sort of like disposable stuff. Oh, some of them are. Like the little von Neumann replicators to like, you know, pro-book.

Some are, some are organic, indigenous ET. Some are kind of robotic. They have integrated circuits in their cerebral cortex. But we have man-made grays and man-made-looking ones that have that. Because we've studied them. Do you believe in different alien races, the grays, the nartics, the reptilians, things like that? Well, no, all those names are just racist appellations. I mean, remember, I was talking to you before.

So it's all one? The foundation of all of UIFology is, let's say call it interspecies racism. That's the, everything that you're mouthing, they've just been able to trigger the innate racism within everybody. Everyone's, we're all monkeys. We all have this sort of monkey mind. But are there ones that look different characteristic? There are dozens and dozens of them. Okay.

I know that Clifford Stone said in the 60s. And they're all good. All of the groups. There's no indication any of them are hostile. Okay. There's indications that some of them are extremely unhappy. Okay. With what we're doing to the planet and what we're doing to them.

So, but there is a universal right to self-defense, number one. Number two, let's say your species has been monitoring this planet for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. In a hundred-year period, we go from horse and body. to thermonuclear weapons. We go from a pristine environment that was an agricultural civilizations to an industrial civilization that suppresses the natural evolutionary breakthrough in electromagnetism to have free energy, and we're destroying the biosphere. We're killing the oceans.

We have thousands of species of plants and animals going extinct. And so if the earth had been somehow bioformed or assisted in its evolution, they would be less than amused, not with humans per se, but with the captains of human civilization. So they would be right in saying that we're mad. You know, it's like as an emergency doctor, you can commit someone if there are a danger to themselves or other mentally ill or substance abuser.

I believe that some of these civilizations view us collectively insane, that humans, given what we're doing to the planet and to each other, and now to them, are sort of mad. Like, what's the heck's going on? So I encourage people to step out of the anthropocentric, you know, self-centered view and begin to look at the world and what we're doing through the eyes of a non-human, intelligent species, who would rightly be appalled at what we've been doing to the earth and to each other. Endless world wars.

the Earth's biosphere, the oceans dying, the coral reefs dying, unnecessarily, because we've suppressed the genius breakthroughs of Nikola Tesla and others in energy generation, so that a handful of Uber oligarchs and control freaks can benefit from that system. Right? In the whole planet, only 0.83% of the population has any involvement with energy energy, generation at any level, green or otherwise. And for that, we're sending the planet over a cliff. Have we made agreements with the aliens? Like there's this rumor in 1954 that Eisenhower was, I think, at like Palm Desert in California, or whatever, it was at Palm Springs.

I think it was 56. 56? I might have. I thought it was 54, maybe it was in Murat. It was in Murat. Yeah. And he says, you know, it was under the cover of a dental exam, but he, he He might have actually made an agreement with some alien. It was an agreement. It was a meeting. It was a meeting. And the ETs wanted us to stop the nuclear Holocaust potential. And we were to then do so.

Do you believe this? Do you think this happened? Well, I got a series of reports from the French Ministry of Defense indicating that meeting did happen. But it wasn't the mythology you're referring to. And it was really an attempt by the ETs before we went full. on dangerous proliferation of tens of thousands of thermonuclear weapons to try to change that direction. And Eisenhower was inclined to do so.

This cabal of war-mongering sociopaths like Alan Dulles and Paul Mellon said, no, we're not. And they're the ones who then cut the president out of the loop. This is why one of our whistleblowers was a young army guy at the White House and Eisenhower in the signal. Corps, I think 5960 named Stephen Lovekin. You can read his testimony in our material. And he said that Eisenhower would doodle pictures of these, you know, ET craft, and he was fascinated. And he brought the issue up to Eisenhower and said, Eisenhower said, well, I don't have control of this

anymore. So I think that because Eisenhower, he knew the dangers of endless war. He had been a five-star general World War II. And he wanted peace. I think he wanted a golden age. And I think about the time, I was born in 55, I think this happened and could have been 54 or 56. But around that time, this could have all gone another way, you see. So what a waste. And so instead, he got pushed aside. That group of sociopaths and control freaks then took over those operations, and those have been illegal operations ever since.

And so the president, I think Eisenhower, what I understand, died a very bitter man about this. He never spoke of this in particular. But he also knew that there was an organization that had moved him to the side. Jack Kennedy said the same thing to Bill Holden, the chief steward on Air Force One. But I have many data points for this. And so, you know, my concern is, you know, how long can that continue with an unchecked group, with that kind of power. I don't think it can go on much longer

because their technological prowess has reached a point that it's not only a threat to earth, it's a threat out there. And so I think we have to resolve it. My recommendation is resolve it peacefully. Well, let's see what happens, Dr. Greer. I mean, we have, we're kind of on the verge of like this deep politics civil war right now.

It feels like with U.S. aid and Elon and Trump on one side and kind of bureaucracy on the other side, They're really clashing. And so it's an interesting time. And I hope that all of the political capital spent on all the other disclosures do not cut against UFOs. And in fact, they cascade into UFOs. So I would take there, yeah. I think all of that's a sideshow and a waste of time.

Here's what I think. You know, it's fiddling while room burns. So all those other things, I'm not saying there's all. There's all manner of corruption and waste and fraud. But the big one is this stuff. UFOs? This is where 8 to 12 trillion minimum is gone. And it's still going.

And so the question is, you want to get serious about this? Same thing with the criminalizing, illegally using the criminal justice system against people. You know, and also letting people get away literally with murdering, abductions, and kidnapping. One of our whistleblowers whose case is in here, who we don't name, he's by initial, he was on a crash retrieval team in the northern Nevada desert way north. It used to be called the Nevada Test Range. And about, I think it was 2009, somewhere around there, he was on a team retrieving these objects.

And it's a very long story, but cut a long story. short. When he reached out to us, I was going to bring him to Senate Intelligence and Armed Services and then over to Arrow. And we were getting, in the process of actually getting his ticket. Yeah. So those are you kvetch about the fact you have to pay money for this book like you do a latte at Starbucks. I don't, I'm retired and I don't, I don't get money from all this. It's paying for whistleblowers to go to D.C. and provide security and all that. So, you know, all these naysayers and say, why is there a tuition? I said, well, how do you put on something?

If it costs $200,000 to run a facility to put on an event, who's paying for that? Me out of my, I'm a doctor, not a tech billionaire. Anyway, you know, but so we're getting his ticket. We're bringing him to D.C. A van pulls up SUV out in front of his house. His wife's at work. And they have two young kids, boys.

And they say, look at your phone on your computer. And they had embedded child pornography all over it. No way. Yeah. Happens all the time. They said, you take one more step towards this. You're going to spend the rest of your life in prison and never see your children. So I have said this to people in law enforcement.

I said, why should someone who's a hero of the country be afraid for his life and afraid of false imprisonment and entrapment? where is our justice systems? Where is the Department of Ms. Bondi? Where, Cash Patel, where is federal law enforcement? When you have this kind of thuggery, but we've had this thuggery used against even folks like the senior investigators for Senate Intelligence Committee. So at what point does someone grow a pair

and stand up to the Goliath? Now granted, it is a Goliath. And they have enormous power and enormous technology, and they're very corrupt. And they're ruthless. They will kill their own. But I don't think that that is any excuse for putting your tail between your legs and running away like a coward. Maybe Elon's engaging in some sort of encirclement strategy where you go for the less important stuff first and then you close in. I don't know.

I mean, again, I don't know Mr. Musk, and I wish him well. And what I do know is that there are very senior people around the president who are taking this seriously, which is a good thing. Yeah. And there are some wonderful people in there, like RFK Jr.'s son's wife. Amarillo's Fox. Amarillo Fox Kennedy is a friend of mine. And she's on the White House Intelligence Advisory Group now. And I will also work closely with Tulsi Gabbard.

Yeah, I've met Tulsi before, and I think she's great. And then I've heard great things about Amarillo's Fox. Oh, she's one. Amarillo's is wonderful. She's very smart. She understands everything we've been talking about. And I think RFK Jr. does too in my conversations there. But not at a granular level, not at a, you know.

But I think there are people in place who I think can help guide the administration to what the facts are and what the truth is. But more importantly, we need to get past this thing of just endlessly yacking and investigating the issue. Yeah. We need to action. No, I'm with that. Yeah, we have to, at some point, the federal government of the United States and others are going to need to take action to get those operations under control, stand down the malignant ones that are targeting ET craft and victimizing other humans with abductions, mutilations, threats. And then we also need to have somebody with enough vision to say, wow, well, if we're not alone in the universe, maybe we should reach out. I mean, Mr. Trump reached out to Putin and Zelensky.

Maybe we need to learn to reach out there. So let's reach out to these civilizations and begin a Rothschmahl and a dialogue. That's the whole concept. The reason I started this whole project was for that reason. And I got diverted into these other. things. But that's the real purpose is let's go forward in a world where we're at peace and we're in peace and space. We've transformed our whole civilization into a new high-tech society and poverty vanishes within a generation. I mean, you will. My children will.

And let's have a new world. That's a beautiful note to end on. Let's move forth into a utopia, not hit the great filter, let out all this suppressed technology. technology and commune with the extraterrestrials. Thank you so much for your time, Dr. Greer. I really appreciate it. This is an honor. Thank you. Yeah.