American Alchemy with Jesse Michels - UFOs, Human Experiments & Rockefeller's Dystopian Health System (ft. Brigham Buhler)

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Our American Alchemist this week is Brigham Buhler. Join our NEW Substack for in-depth articles! https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ We’re living in a managed dystopia, one built not from fiction, but from a century of corporate capture, medical monopolies, and hidden alliances between government, war, and industry. From Rockefeller’s reshaping of modern medicine to the CIA’s mind control experiments and Monsanto’s toxic legacy, this episode exposes how the human body itself became a battlefield for profit. For a deeper dive into all of these crazy topics, please join our | Ways2Well | Website➤ https://ways2well.com/ IG➤ https://www.instagram.com/ways2well YouTube➤https://www.youtube.com/@Ways2Well | Thanks To Our Sponsors | HEXCLAD: Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at https://hexclad.com/JESSE #hexcladpartner Qualia: Take control of your cellular health today. Go to https://qualialife.com/jesse and save 15% to experience the science of feeling younger. -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Patreon (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://www.patreon.com/c/JesseMichels Discord ➤https://discord.gg/crHc44m3kF Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelsClips Website ➤ https://www.jesse-michels.com/ Merchandise ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Media Inquiries ➤ [e-mail] #BigPharma #Corruption #Ways2Well #BrighamBuhler Chapters 00:00 – Intro 02:24 – Rockefeller & The Birth of Big Pharma 04:45 – The Flexner Report and Medical Monopoly 06:36 – Human Experimentation and Unit 731 08:52 – Bayer, Monsanto, and the Machinery of Death 11:04 – Agent Orange, Glyphosate, and Generational Poisoning 13:14 – MKUltra and Behavioral Control Programs 15:31 – CIA, Big Pharma, and the Hidden Infrastructure 16:57 – Majestic 12 and the Rockefeller Foundation Connection 19:15 – Suppressed Science and Forgotten Innovators 21:39 – DNA, Energy, and the Body Electric 24:01 – Luc Montagnier, Nanotech, and Electromagnetic Biology 26:26 – Cosmic DNA and the Serpent Symbol 28:38 – The Human Genome, DOE, and UFO Secrecy 30:19 – Regenerative Medicine and Modern Healing Tech 33:48 – Corporate Capture and the Innovation Lock 37:47 – Gain-of-Function and the Bio-Warfare Question 41:05 – The Alien Connection: PCR’s Inventor and Abduction 43:11 – The Immortality of Jellyfish and Human DNA 46:31 – Rebirth, Gametes, and the Continuum of Life 48:00 – The Return of Electromagnetic Medicine 49:56 – America’s Chronic Disease Crisis 51:45 – Loneliness, Meaning, and the Power of Community 55:23 – Social Media, Comparison, and Disconnection 57:09 – RFK, Fauci, and the Regulatory Revolt 58:54 – Choosing People Over Profits 01:00:32 – Truth vs. Bureaucratic Control 01:01:58 – The American Heart Association Exposed 01:04:54 – Vaccines, Autism, and the Limits of Inquiry 01:06:50 – Data Manipulation and the Collapse of Trust 01:08:50 – Food, Dyes, and the Slow Poisoning 01:11:05 – Proactive, Predictive, Preventative Healthcare 01:12:16 – UFO Disclosure and Health Awakening 01:14:18 – The Floodgates of Knowledge 01:15:53 – Taking Ownership of Your Health 01:17:50 – Predicting Disease Before It Starts 01:20:09 – Navigating the Modern Health Frontier 01:22:25 – Delaying Decline and Extending Healthspan 01:24:33 – Building a Scalable, Aligned Future of Health 01:26:00 – Hope, Curiosity, and the Reawakening of Humanity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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keeping us docile, just so that our bodies can be used for energy. There is an acceptance of the dystopia they survive in, like the proverbial frog sat in slowly boiling water, and one only need to shift their perspective slightly to realize that the world we are currently living in shares many characteristics of these dystopias. Or at the very least, there exist some extremely worrying trends, trends that might produce a future where food makes you sick.

Going to the doctor can bankrupt your entire family. Social interactions have been reduced into likes and upvotes, and you can barely even tell if the person responding to you is AI. We live in a society where panels of self-appointed quote-unquote experts decide what you're allowed to hear, think, and remember. We're told what's real and what isn't, and anything that doesn't fit the script is dismissed. These things are treated not as mysteries to be explored, but as distractions,

a punchline of a joke. Don't get him too close to me, please. It seems clear that a system has been put in place to deceive us, and this does not end at the limits of what you can see in the sky. This deception reaches down into the fundamental building blocks of your body, what you eat, why you get sick, and how that disease and treatment is commodified. It's not a wildly outlandish claim to suggest that a blanket,

similar to the one that has hidden truths about UFOs, non-human intelligences, and physics redefining technologies, has also been used to disguise the truth about how. Health. Following this trail leads through many of the same avenues as the hidden history of UFOs, the alliance between secret government programs and big business, classified breakthroughs in science and medicine, and the code that we have been written on, our DNA, having cosmic significance. And there is a conspiracy keeping us poisoned, low energy, lonely, and tired, too sick to look up and ask what we are doing here. But is there a way out? The long road to the dystopian,

health system we now live in and how it has become enforced, started at the beginning of the 20th century, when the entire landscape was transformed, almost single-handedly, and to serve big business interests. John D. Rockefeller, already the richest man on Earth, thanks to Standard Oil, now ExxonMobil, had a vision to monopolize medicine in the same way that he had oil. Petrochemicals were on the rise and synthetic pharmaceuticals that included products derived from oil were a way to patent and own treatments in medicine. It also meant stamping out competition, most notably of natural medicine and therapies that could eat into profits. In 1910, with backing from Rockefeller and fellow titan Andrew Carnegie, the Flexner report was released. Written by Abraham

Flexner, it condemned most of America's medical schools, especially those teaching anything other than drug-based symptom-focused treatment. Over half the medical schools in the United States shut down. The rest were brought in line, and the American Medical Association became the enforcer. Well, you know who set up the FDA and the AMA, the American Medical Association and the FDA, set up by Abraham Flexner, who was working on behalf of the Rockefeller Foundation, 1908 and the Rockefellers. And so it is fascinating. Because if you also look at, you know, who formed kind of the quote unquote, you know, everybody talks about the deep state or whatever. but the investment firm that funded the CIA basically formed it.

A lot of the personnel came out of it was called the Brown Brothers Harriman. The same people are on the cap table of that. Same people were on the cap table of the Federal Reserve in the 1913 Payne Aldrich Act. It's the same people. This was the start of what we now call big pharma. And the people running this new empire made sure that only one kind of treatment was allowed to exist. Before this, 20 to 30 percent of doctors in the United States were. osteopaths, homeopaths, people that worked with unconventional modalities to heal the human body.

In certain cases, these modalities were snake oil. But in others, they worked. They just couldn't scale. But it was never about health. It was about big business. And it was about control. A system of sick care, not health care, a system designed to turn your illness into profit. I sat down with healthcare entrepreneur and founder of Ways to Well, my good friend, Brigham Bueller, to talk about the corporate capture of the American healthcare system. There's just so much corruption, collusion, in corporate capture, and it's all real. It's all real. Like, I've lived it.

I've been behind the scenes in the medical establishment. I've literally played a million roles in this space. And that's the only reason I have the knowledge I have of, like, where the traps are and where it is set up to set people up for failure. What began as a hostile takeover of natural and holistic medicine by a small group of ultra-wealthy industrialists became the blueprint. of how health could be defined, diagnosed, and treated for the next century. As sickness became valuable and the dehumanization of medicine became a disturbing norm, the Second World War brought with it a wholesale reframing of the human body itself. Humans were turned into experiments, very valuable experiments.

In the lead-up to the Second World War, once Imperial Japan had invaded mainland China and Korea, these occupied territories became the field operation, of some of the darkest experiments conducted on humans in the 20th century. Unit 731, a secret biological and chemical warfare research and development program under the Imperial Japanese Army was established in Manchuria. Under the command of General Shiro Ishi, the unit carried out experiments that included vivisection on live prisoners, exposed to extreme temperatures, deliberate infections of plague,

cholera and syphilis, as well as weapons testing on live human subjects. One particularly gruesome set of experiments involved locking prisoners in pressure chambers and exposing them to extreme barometric changes to observe how the human body would rupture or collapse. Every grotesque detail was carefully recorded. But perhaps the most disturbing part of Unit 731's legacy is that those responsible were never held to account. General Shiro Ishi, who oversaw the program, was noticeably absent from the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. Instead, the biological warfare data gathered by Unit 731 was marked as top secret and quietly handed over to the United States, which was now occupying Japan. In exchange

for their research, Ishi and his team were granted full immunity. None of them were ever tried. The research was then used to advance American biological warfare capabilities in the Cold War. Human suffering had been turned into valuable, usable data. And that same logic was unfolding elsewhere in post-war Germany. Morality was entirely absent in this new era of technological advance in weapons, space, and in medicine. A case in point being the fact that Bayer, now one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations on the planet, was directly involved in the crimes of the Third Reich. You know what's fascinating is Bayer had deep ties with the Third Reich.

That's crazy. Bayer had deep ties with the Nazi regime. And Bayer was a German pharmaceutical manufacturer. There's even letters back and forth between Bayer and some of the generals of the Third Reich. And it's like the experiments went great as planned. Unfortunately, all 150 women that were shipping. to us did not make it through phase one of the trials. We kindly request another 150 Jewish women.

So crazy. They were literally testing all of their future compounds on, you know, Nazi concentration camp, uh, folks. And then there's a dark history there. If you follow Bayer, Monsanto and like through the chain of their history, like in the, you say, oh, well, that was World War II. You know, they got, they, they've got to have evolved as a company. And then you go just back to the 80s.

where they knowingly shipped a massive amount of hemophilia medications that were infected with HIV into third world countries. And they have all the records of that, where they basically inadvertently contaminated hemophilia medications with HIV at a time when HIV was a death sentence. And then they shipped that into third world countries rather than destroying the lots because they didn't want to lose the money. That's so crazy.

The dystopian reality of the modern healthcare system was built on the machinery of death in the military industrial complex. If war criminals could be pardoned by the U.S. government in exchange for their biological warfare research, it is no wonder that the pharmaceutical industry has grown into a system of cruelty and dehumanization. And in the search for profits, they are willing to poison the environment, our food, and our bodies, while we end up paying for the privilege. If there is one company that demonstrates this above all, it is Monsanto, or what used to be Monsanto because in 2018, the infamous agrochemical giant was acquired in a multi-billion dollar deal by Bayer. Truly, a match made in hell. The company that thrived under the Third Reich

had acquired the company that was one of the main suppliers of Agent Orange. The chemical defoliant used in Operation Ranch Hand during the Vietnam War, an era of comparably dark military history. That corruption continues, that like narrative continues all the way into the chemicals, that Monsanto was using, they started shipping over to like Vietnam and third world countries that didn't have the regulatory guidelines and oversight and spraying crops with all these chemicals that then started creating birth defects. And then all the way to Roundup here in the United States. And guess who owns a Roundup now?

Bayer. And Bayer will often pay out these large sums of money to get people to shut up. Yep. When it's so obvious, an RFK talks about this. And you talk about it as well, where you have this rise in autoimmune. cancer, all these issues in 2008, when Roundup was introduced to the broader market. And if you look at what Roundup is, it's water-soluble chemical, it's Agent Orange. It's basically Agent Orange. Which, you know, look at what happened in Cambodia and Vietnam, all the people who've had, you know,

birth defects and all sorts of issues due to that. In the rush to mass produce millions of gallons of Agent Orange, a contaminant emerged, dioxin, a persistent organic pollutant. It resists breakdown, does not dissolve in water, and accumulates in fat tissue. It causes cancer, birth defects, and even epigenetic mutations, meaning its effects can be passed down through generations. In the mid-1980s, Monsanto was required to pay millions in compensation to veterans of war, who had been exposed to the highly toxic chemical, although Vietnamese civilians were excluded from the case. But Monsanto continued to thrive.

By the end of the 20th century, the company had rebranded itself as a biotech powerhouse. It pioneered genetically modified crops and patented seeds built to withstand heavy use of its flagship herbicide. Roundup. The active ingredient in Roundup is glyphosate. Glyphosate has been linked to cancer, and it has seeped into the soil, the water, and our bodies. Like dioxin, its long-term consequence, may take generations to fully reveal themselves. What we have managed to scrape together about just how much the health industry or military

was involved in human experimentation shows us that at the end of the day, the general public is seen as a commodity. You only need to look at MK Ultra or the CIA's official brainwashing program to know how little the secretive organs of power and control cared for people's freedom and health, let alone their sanity as members of the public were experimented on, many becoming unknowing participants in drug-fueled attempts at mind control. Few people suspected that active experiments with behavior control methods went on long after the program was supposedly shut down.

In fact, as the CIA claimed it was winding things down in the 1960s, a new division quietly picked up the work with better funding, better technology, and fewer people asking questions. This group was not just experimenting on hippies in San Francisco anymore. According to John Marks, in the search for the Mancharian candidate, that division was the Office of Research and Development, or ORD, led by Stephen Aldrich. Their focus was not just LSD and hypnosis, it was total behavioral control. They implanted electrodes in animal brains to control movement remotely.

They explored psychosurgery, memory, and even discussed using reptiles to deliver chemical or biological weapons in covert assassinations. Tests were conducted on inmates at Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia, a full decade after MK Ultra had officially, supposedly been shut down. To support this work, members of the ORD created the Scientific Engineering Institute, a CIA proprietary organization near Boston, which included a rural lab on a several hundred-acre farm. One researcher who was questioned about their work remained tight-lipped, but did concede that they had looked at zapping parts of the brains of crows to control their behavior. And if that was what they admitted to, one wonders what they preferred not to disclose.

If you want a full deep dive into this sordid chapter of the CIA, including Project M.K. Often and all of the insanity that went into it, head over to the American Alchemy substack. we are linking that in the description. But what ties all of this together? The human experiments, the biological experiments, the scenes that sound like something out of resident evil, is the fact that the CIA's Scientific Engineering Institute was quietly transitioned into the private sector

in the late 1970s. It was rebranded as Searle metadata, a subsidiary of G.D. Searle, the pharmaceutical company chaired by none other than Donald Rumsfeld, And in 1985, Rumsfeld helped orchestrate the sale of Searle to our old friends at Monsanto. The point is that the line between covert government operations, human experimentation, and big pharma is very, very blurry. The same questions need to be asked about the simple logistics of all of this. Where are these experiments being done?

If some corporation or secret government agency were hiding advanced technology, how would they do it? It's likely that one of the world's largest and most secretive engineering firms would handle it. Building immense underground nuclear weapons complexes or military bases, Bechtel would surely be read into the needs for a secure facility for medical experiments, or perhaps even keeping alien bodies. I was also told that Monsanto may have historically been involved, most likely dealing with biological specimen. It's time to refresh your yard during,

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It shows a ton of support for the channel and you get a discount. Now back to the episode. You talk about corruption in the health care system. Lou Alizondo, who, you know, some people find controversial, but is this UFO whistleblower. He says that some of the people coming after him are involved in Monsanto. And there's this Monsanto-Bectel connection from back in the day. And they were maybe involved in the UFO alien issue as well. And of course, this links back to the UFO question and how all of this was initially set up

and institutionalized. Well, and even who was, there was a documentary. I don't remember which documentary or which person, but they were saying some of this is stored. Some of these biologics and different things are stored at different institutions. Yeah, well. In the healthcare space, like in the, right? I'm trying to remember.

Well, what's interesting. I mean, you have little tidbits where you have to take some of the stuff of the grain of salt. Think probabilistically. I'm not saying this is definitely true. But you have these majestic 12 document leaks from 1984 to. to the late 90s. And basically it involves a secret committee. This like what Eisenhower was probably calling, you know, the military industrial complex, but an even more exclusive group initially led by Vannevar Bush under Truman and Eisenhower of elite military scientific and

political personnel governing the UFO issue. One of these people on this committee of 12 is a guy named Detlev-Bronk. And Detlev Bronx shows up so much in UFO lore. He's the guy. So, supposedly doing alien autopsies when crashes are recovered at Aztec, maybe at Roswell. And Detlev-Bronk is the president of the Rockefeller Foundation. And he is also president of Johns Hopkins. And Johns Hopkins clears, I think, like $8 billion a year for, you know, medical research. Nobody knows, you know, exactly where all of that line. Like, you know, if Doge were to audit that, you might come up with some interesting stuff.

So what is so dangerous about this dystopian land. that has been created around us, we have become used to the routine. We have been stuck in a loop, and eventually, just like how the occasional UFO whistleblower will come forward, people who worked inside the healthcare industry will speak out and tell us what is really going on. This begs the question, if we are the frogs slowly boiling in this system, over a hundred years of being quietly captured by it, then what kinds of treatments have been taken off the table? What ideas were too cheap, too natural, or too hard to patent?

Were there remedies buried because they threatened the system, or promising avenues that were blocked from above? I realize that when I talk about this topic, we run the risk of inviting a lot of criticism. I'm not saying that there have not been charlatans and literal snake oil salesmen selling fake hope for profit. All I am saying is that just like in UFO world, where you have obvious fake footage, you have institutionalized official narratives, you have people lying and grifting, In the health world, there's snake oil, but there's also very likely a group of suppressed real breakthroughs. Fringe discoveries dismissed as quackery. And speaking of quackery, one of the strangest but most persistent ideas in this limbo of

dismissed medical science is the realm of electromagnetic fields and frequencies. Targeted bursts of energy designed to kill microbes, stimulate healing, or restore the body's internal rhythms. It sounds bizarre, but some of the most intriguing, and controversial figures of 20th century medicine were working along these invisible lines. Take Royal Raymond Rife, a forgotten genius to some and a pseudoscientific footnote to others. In the 1930s, Rife claimed to have invented a microscope so powerful it could observe live viruses. This was laughed off as impossible.

Rife also believed that pathogens had a mortal oscillatory rate, a specific frequency that, if broadcast into the body, could destroy the invasive virus without harming the surrounding tissue, like an opera singer shattering a wineglass with her voice. He even built a machine he claimed worked on this principle. For a brief time in the mid-1930s, it seemed like he had discovered something special. A clinic in California was even reportedly treating cancer patients with this device. It sounded like a miracle cure, and then nothing. The AMA refused to validate the findings. His lab was raided, colleagues pressured, and the equipment confiscated. By the 1940s, medical science had forgotten this brief experiment, and Rife died poor and discredited.

Rife was part of a whole wave of early 20th century inventors exploring similar ideas, from George Likovsky's multi-wave oscillators to Tesla coils, Violet rays, and later radionic devices that claimed to diagnose illness by tuning in to the body's unique energetic signature. One of the quotes often associated with Nikola Tesla is, if you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration. You can see echoes of his work in some of this mid-century innovation. And perhaps, hidden among the papers seized by the U.S. government after his death were ideas that could have shaken the establishment health industry, ideas that might still be classified by the government. After all, his Bryant Park apartment was raided by the FBI.

His files were seized and put in a vault, only to be reviewed by MIT professor and the uncle of our sitting president, John Trump. Trump reviewed the Tesla files to see if they could confer any tactical advantage to the United States. But he wasn't necessarily looking at the healing benefits of the inventor's work. To this day, many people with chronic and autoimmune diseases swear by these electromagnetic healing devices. In fact, many Lyme disease patients say that nothing helps. them other than Royal Rife's machine. The Rife Machine. Ross Douthit, an esteemed op-ed columnist at the New York Times, actually got Lyme disease and occasionally uses this Rife machine. Douthit is the opposite of conspiratorial. In fact, he's expressed a lot of skepticism around mainstream UFO narratives. Even I have a

modern derivative of the Rife machine. It's called an amp coil. Every body has an electromagnetic frequency. That's not a conspiracy. An electromagnetic field, undoubtedly affect all sorts of things. This book, The Body Electric, which outlines what is now basically established science, shows that the body's bioelectric field dictates morphology. Basically, electromagnetic charges control cell communication and even what limbs grow and where. You know, if you put a frog embryo in a Faraday cage, it does not develop normally. And then if you can change the cell grubes.

gradient of like a tadpole where you've severed the arm of the tadpole to the cell gradients of the head cells and you can grow a chimeric two-headed tadpole and so there's something around kind of the electromagnetic field that is orthogonal and maybe even upstream of DNA in terms of morphology yeah because they've done experiments too with plant growth around high-powerful Wi-Fi routers and that actually they don't grow right. No. It's like pretty, it's kind of concerning.

I think I'm like, oh man, am I like cooking myself slowly or something? Have you heard of a guy named Luke Montignay by any chance? No. He discovered the HIV genome. And he's this French Nobel Prize winner.

And at the end of his life, he was very anti-COVID vaccine. And he said that there was like nanotech put in it. I'm not saying that's true, but that's what he said. But he was also, very interested in this idea, of like aquaous nanostructures in the DNA that transmitted information via electromagnetism.

And I wonder if we discover something in that vein. Speaking of DNA, it was just a few years back when a group of scientists from Japan and NASA actually confirmed something extraordinary. They reanalyzed fragments from three ancient meteorites that had fallen in Canada, the U.S., and Australia. and they discovered that all of them gave off the fundamental building blocks needed to form DNA and RNA. This added weight to an old but persistent theory of the beginning of life on Earth, that the spark had not originated here, but had arrived here.

This is the idea of panspermia. The idea that life's raw ingredients may have been seeded across planets by comets, asteroids, or even purposeful design. In fact, the idea of directed panspermia was proposed by Francis Crick, who co-discovered DNA's double helix. Crick believed that DNA was too complex, too elegant, and too precise to have emerged by accident. And Crick's view was, as a leading scientist whose whole life was focused on the study of DNA, his life was that DNA could not have emerged accidentally from the primeval soup on this planet in just 100 million years.

It needed much longer to it. He still bought it. He still bought into the prime. What if DNA was not just a molecule, but a kind of cosmic software, encoded with instructions and directed around the galaxy with a purpose? This radical proposal from a very important proponent of modern Western science is also echoed in ancient cultures. The recurring motif of two serpents twisting together in a spiral, like the Cudaceous, the staff of Hermes in Greek mythology,

is still used today as a symbol of medicine. It's almost universal. You see it in Hindu temples, Mesoamerican art, Aboriginal myths, Sumerian glyphs, and in the Amazon, where shamanic ayahuasca rituals often produce visions of serpents spiraling together, reportedly the source of life and knowledge. Snakes that ancient traditions say came from the sky. So this double helix DNA might have also come from the sky. Could it be that this symbol, serpent spiral, life is more. more than just a metaphor, could it be a remnant of some deeper knowledge, encoded in myth and memory? Even mainstream science is starting to admit that DNA may be stranger than we thought.

About 98% of the human genome does not code for protein. For years, this was dismissed as junk DNA. Today, we know it plays regulatory and structural roles, but vast stretches of this DNA remain a total mystery. Some researchers have proposed that DNA, with its fractal genie, geometry and coiled structure acts like an antenna capable of responding to electromagnetic frequencies. One 2011 study even described DNA as possessing the two key structural characteristics of fractal antennas. In the 1990s, Russian scientists described something even more bizarre. In their so-called DNA phantom experiments, they observed that after a DNA sample was removed from a container, laser light continued to scatter as if the DNA were still there for hours, sometimes days.

The DNA, it seemed, left behind a kind of energetic residue, a ghostly imprint in space. And then there are the bio photons, weak emissions of light that living cells, including DNA, constantly give off. These emissions are so faint that they are difficult to detect. But researchers have speculated that they might play a wrong. role in cellular communication, or even consciousness. It is in this liminal space between rigorous science and visionary experience that a new picture begins to emerge, one that we now know so little about in terms of our current health care system. A picture where DNA is much more than just

a molecule, it may in fact be a method of communication, either over a million years of time, or perhaps over a million light years of space. And if that is the case, and we are fundamentally connected to this cosmic message that is crucial for our species to hear, then we are allowing it to be slowly cooked off in the modern world of ultra-processed foods,

drowning this potential signal to a higher plane of consciousness in sugar and oil. And while the Department of Energy, per the UFO nuclear connection, likely holds a lot of secrets when it comes to unidentified flying office, and their reverse engineering, they also conducted the human genome project. So the government agency that might have proof that we are not alone in the universe also might

know more about the human genome than any entity on Earth. This should all make you wonder if whoever is truly behind this dystopian reality of modern health has always had the intention of keeping most of the species docile and disconnected from our full human potential. But I don't want to be a total bummer on this topic. Just like with UFOs, I believe there is hope that these systems can change. With the Make America Healthy Again movement, we've seen massive leaps of progress that would have seemed completely delusional

just a few decades ago. Because just like with UFOs, you do have the agency to take steps to disentangle yourself from the perverse healthcare environment that we are living in. That's exactly what Ways to Well is fighting for. A sense of human agency. And the realization that so much of the chronic disease we live with is a direct result of the ways we've been told to live. I don't think we should give up hope that we can make our lives healthier, clean up our environment, and prevent the diseases that plunge us into debt, steal time from our loved ones, and tether us to prescriptions and treatments that ruin our bodies and minds. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsor jobs.

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We just had the best day ever at Ways to Well. I feel amazing. I did red light therapy, hyperbaric, stem cells, which I've been wanting to try forever. And I've heard so many good things about. And for whatever reason, still has some stigma when it comes to the FDA. And I want to talk about that with you. But yeah, we connected around aliens originally and UFOs, because that's a deep interest in yours. of yours. And it's so cool to see all of this just UFO themed, alien themed, but also you're

just helping so many people. So appreciate you. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of yours. It's funny how we met because you were going to give that lecture in town. I think the lecture was about, it was about the UAP phenomenon at a place here in Austin. And I saw you were in town and I just messaged you to check in and say, hey, I would love to connect while you're here and the rest of history. It's crazy. I wonder if at some point in the future, the health stuff converges with the UFO stuff and we're able to make progress along those two things. I mean, who knows, if we make contact with aliens. If an alien intelligence was, you know, sophisticated enough to be at Cardashev for scale intelligence and traverse the cosmos, you know, they probably have all sorts of interesting health updates and, yeah, thanks. I have all the alien stuff around here just because I think it's fun.

And part of why I did it was I want to make health care. fun and approachable and like but also futuristic and so like that's why I have the alien mural of the alien hand in DNA to the girl and then just just the Alan AI uh healthcare assistant at ways to well we focus on comprehensive hormone optimization with regular monitoring to ensure safety and effectiveness uh because to me it's fun and it makes it a little more like out there and quirky like but it's just to me i've always been fascinated by it and i think we don't get the answer We don't get answers to questions if we don't ask the question. Alan, what does Brigham think about aliens?

Brigham doesn't know shit about aliens, but I've been studying his ass for years. That loud motherfucker is always ranting about corporate capture and corruption, but has no fucking clue. I've been right here watching him. It's fascinating because there's so many treatments that have been suppressed by this big machine, like everything you've done today. Literally, like, almost everything you did today at Wastewell is ignored by main. mainstream academia in a way, shape, or form. Red light therapy. So many people go, well, how's a light going to help me? And a guy was nominated or won a Nobel Prize in 1907 or something for

his studies in using light therapy to help with recovery. And now there's studies coming out of the UK that show that red light three times a week for five minutes can restore degenerative eyesight. Because red light pierces past the epidermis, gets to the cellular level and refuel 18.000. And ATP is the energy source of cells. And so we live a lifestyle so much now where we're indoors. We're not in the sunlight. All of us are starving for more vitamin D, for more sunlight, for more of these things naturally available in nature.

But there's so many aspects of health care and all of that that have been captured. And the whole principle is they use the tool that's in their tool belt. Within the insurance framework, it's like, what will insurance cover? what is my clinician trained on? And if insurance won't cover it, so in order for you to get accessibility in a generalized market, is my clinician even trained on this one?

And the answer is if it's anything that's not part of the traditional establishment that goes back to these institutions and these powerhouses that you're talking about, and none of that's in their training design, neither's nutrition, right? So it's easy to debunk what they're saying. Like most modern day medical professionals

have zero nutritional training. And we know for a fact, food is medicine or food is poison. And what you put in your body matters. Why would we not be training our clinicians on the importance of diet, lifestyle, nutrition? The same reason we're not training them on any of these other products or alternatives that can't be patented and monetized. That's the thing. I think that's the difference. Exactly.

It's all about can you have scaled money making enterprises involved in the thing? And if it's red light therapy or if it's something that works with the electromagnet, field of the body or it's a hyperbaric chamber, that's not as good business as let's pop out a bunch of pills and scale that worldwide. And I even said that in front of they had a Senate roundtable at the federal level. And that's when I testified with RFK in front of the U.S. Senate. And my testimony was focused more on the broken system. And what I talked about was Eisenhower speech. And that's how I opened my speech to the Senate was Eisenhower has this legendary speech where he talked. about the military industrial complex.

But there's a second half of that speech that nobody ever talks about. They never mention it where he warns and gives a warning to the American people about what happens if we allow the corporate capture of our scientific industrial complex. If we allow that machine, the scientific academic world to be captured by these giant institutions, we will lose the garage tinker, the innovator, the creator. we will stifle and suppress innovation in the name of profitability. And that's what we see. Like you and I were talking off here earlier about the pharmaceutical organizations and how they're not really innovating.

Like there's not a huge incentive to innovate. And this is what I've been trying to explain like between 2011 and 2019. Okay, there were 356 blockbuster drugs, what are considered blockbuster drugs. how many of those do you think big pharma innovated i only know this because we're friends but zero yeah i was there's a slight they're saying two possibly two but it's zero to two for debate in the sake of debate so we don't get debunked let's say two that means 354 of the 356 compounds that came out in that time span came from us from taxpayer dollars very easy like we funded those research. Even the GLP ones, the weight loss drug. Yeah. GLP ones were discovered through Gila

monsters. There was a scientist watching Gila monsters and he realized these, these lizards don't eat very often. And he wondered if they were hungry. And so he began to do research to try and uncover. And what he uncovered is they had an increased level of this compound in their body. And so then he thought, could we synthesize this and use this to suppress our appetites? And let's see if it makes mice and other things not hungry. And so we, the taxpayers, funded all of this research. Then that research gets bundled up and literally licensed off in a package deal to Big Pharma. Did Big Pharma takes it after acquiring it for pennies on the dollar, even though we, the people, funded this research and provided this compound and created the innovation.

And it's usually not until phase three that a lot of these compounds get gobbled up from the big pharmaceutical companies. When all the risk is really gone, the downside's gone. And then people go, well, it cost all this money to get through the FDA. That's by design. That's also by design. Because guess what? If I'm a multi-billion dollar corporation, the best thing I can do is set massive hurdles in the marketplace to any disruptive innovator to be able to come in and compete. Yeah.

And I go back to Eisenhower's speech where he warned us of this. And then you go to our academia and you say, yeah, but there's checks and balances because we have all these academics. Like you were talking to Dr. White earlier. Dr. White was talking about in his time at Harvard having to beg to get a $50,000 grant. Well, guess where those grants are coming from? Industry. Right. And guess how you get published.

Industry. Right. And guess how you get published and get grants. You do what industry tells you. Yeah. You do what industry asks you to do. Yep. And you follow your playbook.

Yep. And if you don't, we're going to cut your funding. And meanwhile, some of the innovation that is going on, like I think about stuff RFK talks about where he talks about Fauci talks about how Fauci had this dual role for like decades. One was bioweaponry and it was stuff, you know, with the DOD. Yep. And then one was, you know, NIH. And in 2017, you have basically a modification of SARS, you know, that allows it, you know, with a spike protein to bind to human ACE2 receptors through the EcoHealth Alliance submitted to DARPA.

DARPA, which works on the most dangerous shit, says this is too dangerous for us. And it gets rejected and it gets moved into Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has notoriously into a lab specifically with bad safety marks. And you have to ask this philosophical question of gain of function research, this like, you know, idea that we have to look around the corner for the next pathogen before creating a cure for it. That's all a smoke's dream. Oh, it's a euphemism for bio warfare. Yeah. Because I always ask when people say they're like, we have to do this research, I say, when at any other point have we ever done gain of function research where we've come up with

the cure once we come up with the new pathogen? Never. Now we're motivated by a pandemic that's now killed millions of people. Yeah. And we can't come up with the cure for COVID. Why would, if it was just in a lab and you had like 12 or 15 or 100 scientists that knew about it, why would you come up with the cure then? It's fake.

Sounds pretty conspiratorial. Yeah, right. Oh, it's crazy. What's crazy is even Tulsi Gabbard, who's one of our most powerful, like, people in our nation today, was ringing the bell six months ago saying, guys, we have a war in Russia and Ukraine, and we literally have bioweapon labs in the middle of war zones. Yeah. What if somebody hits one of these buildings and releases the next, like, a true world ender

compound into the world. It's a dangerous game of Russian roulette. You know, the guy, speaking of COVID, the guy who created PCR polymerase chain reaction is a guy named Kerry Mullis. And he had an alien experience. He was abducted. And so I just thought that was an interesting kind of connection between this.

And he was also... That's wild. It is wild. And we can cut... What's his abduction story, though? I'm curious. I don't remember the exact... He like woke up in a shed and he spoke with a being.

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Like Michukaku talks about like the propensity or the likelihood of life in the universe is, I mean, it's statistically probable. Very high. And then the question becomes, did it reach intelligent life? And if it did reach intelligent life, then is, is it a level one, two, or three society? And if it is a level two society, then it would have the ability to build in space and time and potentially traverse, like, our universe. And like, so it starts to get more and more probable, the more you work yourself through the mathematic equation. But then just the excitement of it of the great unknown and everything that's happening out there. Like we don't know anything.

I look at how little we even know about our own bodies and our own health. There was something that came out the other day saying that even at the cellular level, they're now finding DNA, almost like a DNA-like structure, even smaller than at smaller and small levels of the human anatomy. Like smaller than mitochondrial DNA? Yeah, and they're finding tinier and tinier elements. And this was just yesterday I saw it. And it's like, we really don't understand.

We don't understand. Well, also DNA itself is so fascinating because you have base pairs, which are kind of like, if you think about binary code, like, or transistors or something, they're like on-off switches. They get turned on and off by methylation or acetylation. And it's almost like we ourselves maybe are like walking hard drives. So like you could store like a book on DNA and we can get activated by certain things and deactivated. Which creates me out because then you go to like what Bob Lazar said that he was given in that file and he doesn't know if it's real or not. He's just saying what he read, but it talks about that we are containers. I want to go back to the religion thing.

I want you to say it. Oh, come on. That's so weird. That's a lot. I'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact. I'm asking you to say what you read in a report that is distributed at what may be the most top secret facility in the world. Okay. Right.

All right, I'll say it. it's so far out. All right. Your rejection has been noted. Okay. What does it say? That were containers. That's how supposedly the alien look at us, that we are nothing but containers.

Containers of? Containers. Maybe containers of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers, and that's how we're mentioned in the documents. That religion was specifically created. So we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose and not damaging the containers. And people, the human nature is immediately to go containers of souls. But my immediate human nature is containers of information.

And then Dr. White, like what he was explaining earlier that we captured. Well, the biggest thing is that nobody really believes that immortality is possible. So if you can demonstrate it exists in nature, then they're somewhere to stop. So when we talk about the jellyfish, when we talk about lobsters that don't age, You know, they have no biological markers of aging. They just keep getting bigger until they die of, you know, exhaustion. But if you can demonstrate that it exists in nature, then all we have to do is really study it and try to figure it out how to apply it to humans.

So that's really where I studied with the jellyfish is it exists in nature. This isn't just, we're not trying to create time travel or anything that breaks the laws of physics. It exists. I just got to try to understand. Is there anything, because you hear about like telomeres in the context of like turtles and stuff? Like, is there something about the jellyfish that, you know, is great... They recently sequenced the genome. So we're understanding a lot more about its biology, and Aaron's able to do it,

because there are species that are very similar, but are not able. So if you can sort of, you know, line them up side by side and see what one jellyfish is doing versus the other, we might get some insight. But fundamentally, species age differently. And so there are things we could probably learn from them, but we may not be able to apply it directly to humans. But what it means for me is that the evidence is that the evidence is that the evidence is out there and in our genome somewhere deep down historically something existed that determined what our lifespan is and we can probably start tinkering with.

Does the DNA demethylate or? Right. Well, it does. So in the case of the jellyfish, all of the markers of aging in the adult are removed. So they de-differentiated, go from a differentiated state to a de-differentiated state, which is like being a baby again. So they just go from adult to baby back to a different. adult again and a baby again. And we do that ourselves as well. I always use the analogy of if you take

a 40 year old male and a 40 year old female, the eggs that the woman has, she was born with. So they're 40 years old. Same thing with the sperm. sperm stem cells are 40 years old. The sperm it isn't new because he's making new spermatures all the time. But those two 40 year old cells, when they come together to make a baby, they make a zero year old cell. So those 40 year old cells somehow when they come together in that magic of birth. It de-differentiates it, it removes all the marks. Whoa. It starts from zero again. So you have a baby that lives 80 years. Wow.

Has babies of its own that can live 80 years. So really we are immortal. We're just passing our ability to be immortal through the generation. So the gametes. Wow. We shed the soma, but the gamics are immortal. The DNA in our bodies has been traveling through time for millions of years. Seven million years of human evolution. It's the same DNA. It's just so crazy. It's rewritten. Wow.

We just have such a myopic view of health now. I think what you're doing is preventative and it's holistic. But, you know, right now it's just like, you know, give somebody a chemical or whatever. But all this, I think we're going to see a cambering explosion of new, cool ideas that are holistic. Like, working with, you know, now you have pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy, you know. And if you were to say 20 years ago, you're working with the electromagnetic field of the body. the vested interests, the institutions would have been like, you're crazy, what are you talking about?

You know, you belong in jail or something. And, you know, that or binaural beats. You have the Monroe Institute doing interesting stuff with consciousness. You know, we're starting, you know, the biology of belief and placebo. And like, all of that is kind of, I think, coming back in vogue because this very biochemical materialist reductionist kind of modes that we've been using, I think, are, they're being laid bare as, you. Just look at life expectancy in the U.S.

It's topping out and it's going down now. So, like, empirically, we need something else. And so that's why I love what you're doing. Because you're at the frontier and you're doing stuff that's obviously safe, but it's also just super, it's too effective. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in my mind, it's like common sense.

And I've said this a million times, but if we're worried about the escalation of our health care costs, and it's the number one reason for bankruptcy in the country. country. It's the number one state budgetary item. It's, I think, number one or two budgetary concern for the federal government. And it's growing every year. And we talk about the boom in chronic disease. 1.7 million Americans are dying a year of chronic disease. More than every war we've ever fought. More than every war we've ever fought is dying every year right here silently and nobody's talking about it. And here's the wildest part. Most of those diseases are preventable. Almost all of these chronic diseases that are killing us are preventable. So why aren't we preventing them?

Because to prevent them, we have to blow up the system because the entire system is not built. The framework is not built to get proactive, predictive, and preventative. It is built to monetize chronic disease. It's just the system we're in. You're sick. I treat the symptom. I give you a pill. I push you out the door. I have six minutes with you on average in this country as a clinician. Six minutes to go through prior history, to assess anything we're doing, to do a deep dive into what, you can't do anything in six minutes. And think about we have this AI renaissance going on right now. We're talking about, you know, chat GPT reasoning and how impressive that is. And it's crazy.

All the health data exists in these ridiculous silos. And the stuff that is centralized is probably a little dystopian. So it's like, what do you do? And I hope maybe you do something along those lines because if you do have a lot of data, along a lot of these different biomarkers, a lot of which aren't even tested for because they're not seen as important or predictive, which is insane.

Because the more data you have, obviously, the more predictive something's going to be. That's how chat GPT or LLMs work in general. My buddy Cali said it. He said, if you have a fish tank and all the fish are getting sick, you don't blame the fish,

you drain the tank. If all the fish are getting sick and there's something in the tank causing the sickness, you drain the tank. and you assess the problem. And the problem is environmental. And for us, if there is a chronic disease crisis perpetuating this country,

growing astronomically at a breakneck speed, what they're trying to do is blame the American people and go, all of a sudden the average American didn't get fatter or lazier than the average Italian. And the average Italian is drinking wine and living that lifestyle. And they're living longer than us. And they're having less chronic disease in us. It's because their food and their environment isn't, built like the American food and environment.

Do you think sometimes, because I look at those blue zones, right? Like you have like Sardinia and, you know, certain places in Japan. You have Okinawa, you know, and these people live till over 100. And the diets don't, they're off. They're clean and they're natural. And so that's a huge, you know, they're not having tons of glyphosate, right? Like that doesn't work. You know that doesn't work.

But the diets don't actually correlate that much. Often it's like this sense of group usefulness and community. And that's like this really. really big thing and then being in touch with nature and family and all of that. So do you think, how do you think about that? I think, I absolutely think that's spot on. And there's even data behind that. Like it's, I can't remember what it's like broken heart syndrome. But once one partner passes, like partners who have been together forever, I think it's like within 18 months is the statistical probability that the other partner will pass. Like, and so we are interconnected in community or

what is it, Victor Frankl's a man's search for meaning. Yeah. Like he survived that concentration camp and he looked at stronger, like bigger, stronger men that died. And he asked himself the question, like, why? Why did I make it and they didn't? And it's because he had a purpose. He had a meaning. He had a cause. He had a reason to get up every day and fight for life rather than surrender to death.

And I think like family, friends, community, being in good, like, spiritual and mental health, like having the ability to like build trust in like community is huge. It's a huge part. Like our mental health, like, I think it was Dr. Palmer who said this in front of the Senate. He's another, shoot, I don't want to, but I think Dr. Palmer's a Harvard guy as well. But he's a brilliant guy. And he was talking about how we have a physical health, a mental health crisis perpetuated as a physical health crisis. Yeah.

Right. It is intertwined. Our physical health is wrecked, but so is our mental health. It's a fun back loop. Like deaths of despair right now in America are at an all time high. Yeah. Greater than that of the Great Depression. Yeah.

More people are dying of deaths of despair right now than during the Great Depression. It's crazy. Well, the Western world seems like it's sort of dying, like slowly or something. Like, like, you look at Japan and the fertility rates there and then here, you know, in the U.S., they're like barely like at replacement rate. And, you know, even the word loneliness is actually a product of the Victorian era. It used to be oneliness, and it wasn't even like a concept before that. And in the UK, they have a, you know, a minister of loneliness or whatever. It's wild.

Yeah. Because like, we live in this increasingly atomized, fragmented society. Obviously, social media doesn't help that at all. I was going to say, even our touch points, though, were unrealistic. Right? Because, like, as you have, like, social media grows, you may, you may know 100,000 people, but how many of those people do you really know? I always ask myself, like when I'm stressed or I'm beat down, trying to run these companies and you're under, you feel like the walls are closing in, you're dealing with all these things.

And somebody says something that hurts your feelings. I try to think to myself, if they're not going to be at the front row of my funeral, why am I worried about it? Yeah. Like you only, because it's so easy. And it's easy to do that with social media. Yeah. People are so malicious and mean and like just cruel over these media platforms. Yeah.

And it's easy to let that weigh on you. but the same question, is this person going to be in the front row of my funeral? Yeah. If not, then fuck them. Yeah. Like, who cares? Like, it's, because anyone can be, you know, mean and malicious over a keyboard, but in person, I find people are much more empathetic.

Yeah. And it's this weird buffer. Yeah. It's not that I think people are evil. I feel like these tools have given us a false sense of reality and you don't understand the pain and suffering that you cause other people. Totally. It makes total sense.

And I think simultaneously, you know, know social media is this like annoying surveillance mechanism you know it's also you know causes all sorts of social distress because you're you know if you see comparison as the thief of all joy like you're comparing yourself to you're in like a hall of mirrors like of infinite like people to compare yourself to somebody's always better looking or more accomplished or whatever and then simultaneous to that I think it's it's causing people to wake up and you know they say we're in the age of Aquarius I don't know if I believe in astrology but it is like think about people's worldview today and probably how much your work at least to well resonates with

people today versus maybe five, 10 years ago where like maybe society wasn't ready. And it was like very, you know, and you had some issues, right? With peptides and stuff. You had a, do you have peptide pharmacy and stuff? Yeah, yeah. No, we have a we have a compounding pharmacy that compounds peptides, but as things have grown, you know, we've, the biggest challenge we face is fighting the federal government and the broken establishment. And the FDA is so corporately captured. And I'm optimistic that all that's going to change. Well, that's a cool thing. Dr. McCarie, who's now the head of the FDA is just an unbelievable human who truly cares about people and is an advocate for people and is coming from outside the system. And so it's exciting like to see somebody coming from

outside that system with the hope and the goal of truly driving change versus what historically has been there is 10 out of the last 11 heads of the FDA have gone to work for big pharma no it's just crazy revolving I would rather you know I don't agree with Trump on everything I don't agree with RFK on everything but I'd rather somebody who's not a career politician and maybe even in Trump's case a little narcissistic or whatever come up come in there like a bulldozer and get rid of this stuff in rfk's case he could be hanging out at Martha's Vineyard right now yeah and instead he was cleaning up the Hudson you know river. And then he got into the, he was, he was so ahead of the curve on the health stuff. And it was so unpopular when he, you know, went after. When he wrote his book on Fauci,

Fauci was the darling child. Yeah. You know, no, people forget now they think he's evil, because it's obvious he did some really messed up shit. But at the time, they didn't realize he was, you know, so it's, it feels vindicating and, and this beautiful tide shift. But when it comes to these deeper questions, you need to wade through misinformation to get to the truth. If you're like concealing yourself off the bat from misinformation, you're not going to get anything right. So I love what Rogan does where like he'll have, he'll just have a conversation with people like a normal person and he'll have both sides on and it'll be this dialectic sort of thing. And he'll, you'll come out the other end way better educated. And as much of an expert on anybody on these

kind of ontologically deep truths, which who's an expert? Did you see Graham and Flint Dibble? Yeah, perfect example. Yeah, and Flint is academia. And Flint is an archaeologist. And Flint is trying to debunk. And like, then what we saw through an open dialogue debate is Flint was misrepresenting facts.

Yeah. It was overwhelmingly misrepresenting so many facts and he got exposed for that. Yeah. And Graham was the voice of reason in that situation. He even brought up a slide where he got the number of shipwrecks like entirely wrong. or something. And I think that's also analogous to the stuff you're facing too because like there are people who feel called to a thing because of experiences in their life.

You had an experience with your brother. You yourself were in pharmaceutical sales, medical device sales and you were like, fuck this. This is so corrupt. Yeah. And then now what you're doing is way more ideological and it's way more. You're like tethered to something higher. It's not like you're like this money grubbing like local. Even. Even on. meeting today. Yeah, I was just talking to these new pharmacists and I was telling them like, this is, if you make your beacon, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, you'll find money. But what to, but at what cost. Right. If we make our Northern Star people and helping people and driving change,

nobody can stop us. Yeah. Nobody can stop us. Yeah. And my gut says we can make a lot of money doing that. Like, we've done really well. And it's all it's been is making our Northern Star like driving true change and helping people. And every time you have a crossroads and you can choose profits over people, if you choose people, I can't help but think you're going to win. And if you don't and you fail, at least I can lay my head on my pillow at night and go, I did the best I could and I didn't sell out. I didn't become what I started out fighting against.

Yeah. Because I see what happens when you go down that path. Yeah. And we've seen it. Oh, we're living it. We're living it right now. We've lived it for the last fucking hundred years, man. Well, that's what it's a fight against.

I think at its core, whether it's the UFO thing or the health stuff, it's people who are like, this is the truth. Like, we have to fight for the truth. And then the people on the other side are like, well, my local incentive says I have to cover a thing up. And I have to make this expedient alliance here. And I have to, if you're Fauci, you're testifying before Congress, you change the definition of gain of function before you get questions. before you get questioned by Rand Paul. So you say it's not gain of function over and over again, ad nauseum, just condescendingly lying and insulting the intelligence of the American people in a, I think, criminal way.

You're saying that that's not gain of function research. According to the framework and guidelines are being. So what you're doing is defining away gain of function. You're simply saying it doesn't exist because you change the definition on the NIH website. This is terrible. and you're completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from a lab. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building.

Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. We even see it in just this, in another micro viewpoint of that same thing, testifying in front of the Senate here in Texas, testifying about removing soft drinks and these like candidly toxic foods from our governmental payer programs that provide these to poverty stricken families. My whole thing was food today should not kill the family tomorrow. That's not nutrition. Like we have to provide nutritional alternatives to our most like underprivileged communities that are in dire need of help.

And instead you guys are pushing nothing but a bunch of sugar loaded ultra processed foods on to these individuals. And the American Heart Association, this is the world we live in now, the American Heart Association showed up to testify against us at the original one. Okay?

And then because of the ability to spread the word, Joe, Rogan, and Bert Kreischer talked about it on Rogan's podcast. Callie Means tweeted about it. It went viral. Guess who didn't show up to yesterday's testimony?

Who? The American Heart Association. Oh, my God. And even one of the Congresswomen chair, chair, hole was like, look who's not here today. Unbelievable. Somebody wasn't here today. Did anyone else notice that the American Heart Association did not show up today? Because it's easy to do dark deeds when you can do them in the dark hidden from the eye of public scrutiny.

Yeah. But in this world, with open, like, conversation and free form, like, we are the media now. Elon is saying is true. Between X and YouTube and podcasts, you cannot no longer hide in the shadows and push these insidious agendas. And then if you look at why would the American Heart Association be against removing soft drinks,

it's because their funding comes from these institutions, from PepsiCo and Coca-Cola and all of that. And so it all goes back to dollars, not truth. They have lost their way. They've lost their way. I don't give a shit in the American Heart Association listens to this. You are criminals, man. They've lost their way.

They've sold out. And it isn't about helping people. It is about keeping their bullshit organization alive and moving things forward. And this is where we're going to expose these people. When people go down that path, this is the world we're in now where there's a free media that allows us to expose it. And I think we're going to see a restoration of common sense with that. Like, again, Trump for all his issues or whatever, there's a there was a leaked. call between him and RFK.

And he's talking on the phone with RFK and he says, these babies, they're getting like 50 vaccines right when they're born. They're growing all weird and deformed and, you know, and it sounds like if you were to write this out in a transcript, like gooo-gaga, like eight-year-old, like ridiculous talk. When you see a baby that is like 38 different vaccines and it looks like it's been for a horse, not a, you know, 10-bound or 20-bound baby, it looks like you give you should be giving on the horse this.

And you ever see the size of it, right? You know, it's this massive. And then you see the baby all of a sudden starting to change radically. I've seen it too many times. And then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right? But if you think about it, just think about it as a human being for a second, vaccinating, you know, giving 50 vaccines to a baby, that feels a little excessive. And maybe there should be some efficient frontier of like, yeah, some vaccines are good for sure.

It's good that we, science is good, you know, but like maybe we should be a little more discriminating. Did you see the autism rate that came out yesterday, the newest autism rate? Isn't it one in 500 kids or something? No, it was one in 12.5 kids in the state of California. Jesus Christ. The newest autism rate. Yeah.

One in 12.5. What's California doing so much different than the rest of the country? I ask you. I don't know. Oh. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying?

With like, it's just like this is, it's to a point where you. Look, I'm not here to say correlation is causation, but correlation is at minimal worth investigation. It's myth. Right? And to say that we're not going to look at these things and to have fought it for this long, it'll be interesting to see what comes out. Like, nobody's ever really looked.

They haven't been looking. And now what do we find when we look? That's the question. Yeah. And it's, I hope people can just learn to think for themselves with these things where it's like and be empowered to do that. Like with the COVID thing, I remember getting. I hadn't gotten vaccinated and I got COVID.

And I was considering getting vaccinated before I got COVID. Then I got COVID and I had antibodies. I had T-cell response. I had hemoglobin. I had all the immune factors. And I have all these people around me. My family included, my liberal L.A. family being like, you need to get vaccinated. And I'm thinking in my head, you just want to like load me up with spike protein.

Like I was trying to describe to them. I was like, what about what I have now confers any less immunity? You even see there, it went viral that leaked video of Fauci talking about the flu shot. In the 90s saying if you love, you get the flu. The flu shot if you've had the flu. You have the best form of immunity, natural immunity. And then with this, it's like, oh, you're going to be a mass spreader of COVID. It's just all crazy.

And this is where people have begun to not trust the establishment. And then the establishment says trust the science, trust us. it's only science if you tell us the truth. It's only science if you let science speak for itself. If you skew the data and skew the facts, right? There's liars. There's damn liars. And then there's statistics.

Yeah. Right? That was what Mark Twain said. And it's like if we're going to skew the statistics in favor or eliminate or high data, that's not science. The CDC didn't come out with any of the, all the adverse reaction data was hidden. There was no, there weren't collecting any data along those lines. And then you have these heroes like, you know, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone all of a sudden saying, oh, if you're like,

you know, I was, I think 28, 29 at the time. And it's like if you're between 18 and 29 high testosterone, you are in the sweet spot of myocarditis. And so all of a sudden, my risk factor is somebody who's gotten, you know, COVID already definitely goes up. It's not, it's not, you know, it's not zero percent. Yeah. And nobody's talking about that. And so you have to just, you know, I do think it's this beautiful thing where information is being disintermediated through these courageous people. And hopefully people can just think reasonably for themselves. Or even when you go to food and the argument about food dies and we were arguing about the dies. And what people don't understand is those dies are tested at the dosage level of an adult, at a weight of an adult, okay, and at a specific amount, which is the serving.

size administered on the label. Okay. Well, if I'm a four year old child, do I eat the dosage, do I eat like the serving size of a cup or am I eating a bowl? Okay, well, now you're eating double that die level in just that one meal and that's just your cereal. But they didn't check the dye in the drink that you're drinking. And then they didn't check the die in the next meal you eat. And then there is a slow attrition where you're gaining more of, and more of the bioavailability of all of these compounds through your diet over time, right? And so this is what we were trying to argue is you're building up all of this stuff in a patient population that was never a patient population that you would have ever looked at.

And I think somebody just said that like, do we need a double placebo controlled trial to decide that it's healthy to jump out of an airplane with a parachute versus without? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or do we just take the knowledge that life has given us to say it's probably not a good idea to jump out of the fucking plane without a parachute. Well, that's why I look at like, like, it was Gary that said that. The glyphosate thing. I'm like, if this is really water soluble, you know, aging orange, you have all these environmental toxins for sure now that didn't exist prior and that we've never really thought of in a critical way that seep into your body. And yeah, so you're doing the Lord's work by getting this.

out of all these people. To me it's fun though. Like all this stuff like finding like solving puzzles. It's a puzzle. All this is a puzzle. Like it's fun like it like I think there's solutions to all these problems. It's just looking with a new approach and saying the solution isn't wait for people to get chronically ill. It's not waiting for the car to blow up. Like we don't have to let the car blow up. We can change the oil.

We can rotate the tires. We can maintain the car to avoid the cataclysmic event that causes this catastrophe. We can avoid the catastrophe. Why are we waiting and catastrophizing? We shouldn't. We should get proactive, predictive, and preventative, and with large language models, with the ability to capture large data sets,

with the ability to provide patients a life raft from the broken system and allow them to have sovereignty and autonomy over their health, the average American is not fat and lazy. That's the lie we've been told. The average American is in an environment that is perpetuating chronic disease, that is perpetuating obesity, that is perpetuating metabolic disease and diabetes,

which is then leading to all of these issues that are killing so many of us. And we can prevent all of them. What do you think happens with the alien puzzle? And the next five or ten years. Oh, man. I'm excited, man. You and I have talked in depth about this.

Like, it feels like the floodgates are opening, right? The dam is starting to crack. Yeah. And more and more is leaking out. And then, again, this media form of like free speech, is allowing more and more to get exposed and making it harder and harder to lie to the American people.

The world is waking up in so many ways. In so many ways, there's knowledge is power and knowledge is more readily available. And at this point, if you aren't listening or learning, you're living under a rock. Yeah. Because it's everywhere.

There's so much accessibility to learning about this topic if you're fascinated by it. I'm always amazed at how much content you consume on the UFO front. Because you're running an amazing, you know, massive business. And you're somehow like also, you're like, dude, I'm watching your thing or Chris Rams. You're watching his thing.

I love like yours, Chris, Rogan. Like anything in that UFO space, if it's you, Chris, Rogan, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are other buddies. Like, I love watching, you know, and learning from what you guys are exposing because y'all do a great job of bringing the truth out. And the OGs like Corbell and Knapp with their stuff. weaponized like they've crushed it and that got me that got my beque wet and got me like deeper down the rabbit hole and then hearing the uh bob lazar on rogan drug me in even deeper and then finding your channel and chris ramsie's channel has just like built upon this and now i feel like i have places to stay in the know uh and even a lot of the news outlets now are covering this

more and more like who would have ever thought you'd see the day where major media outlets are covering this phenomenon almost on a weekly basis. Yeah, I mean, you have Tulsi Gabbard, you know, head of DNI, Director of National Intelligence. She, in her platform, says, I want to expose information on UAP, UFOs. And I've spoken to her. I know you've spoken to her. And she seems pretty, you know, kind of woke on the issues.

Yeah, she definitely seems open, receptive, open-minded and willing to explore truth. Yeah. Which is, that's all I think about everything. like why would you go into anything with a preconceived notion that's not that's not inquisitive like go in with an open mind that's one thing i love that chris ransy does on his he'll he'll sit back and and it's great for people who are very like uh immediately skeptical because what he'll say is envision this is like an exercise this is just a thought exercise like i'd ask you to go through the thought process with me we're just walking through and methodically looking at these

things i'm not telling you this is right i'm not but but Let's set aside our preconceived notions, come in with open minds and open hearts, and see where the information takes us. And if you do that across the spectrum of everything in this UAP world, UFO world, alien, whatever you want to call it, there's a plethora of information that starts to get pretty fascinating where you go, man. Yeah. There is like, I don't have an answer, but I have a lot more questions. And I am definitely a lot less decisive on the topic that the more you learn, the less you know, right? And that's like in life, the more I begin to learn, even in health care, the more you think you know and the more you pull at the thread, the more you realize there's a lot, a lot of unknown, more unknown than known. Totally. And with the UFO thing, I think if you start with the foundation, which is there's a there there, you know, like there are things in the sky we can't identify that repeatedly show up around our most sensitive nuclear sites. Like that's what I'm most confident. I would hang my hat on that. And then you can kind of build up from there. Are there secret programs?

have we been reverse engineering things. And you go down, obviously, in probability as you continue to go in your search. But you build up this kind of self-consistent ontology, which is wholly separate from the average persons. And we might be merging into that ontology over the next, you know, decade or two. And it's a wild time. It's going to be exciting. It's going to be exciting because I think more and more is going to come out.

You know better than I do. But I just think there's such a thirst for knowledge right now. And there's such a free form of discussion that. that with that's going to come more and more truth and more and more transparency. And then even discoveries, like discovery after discovery after discovery, you know, in our ability to see what else is out there, and our ability to have high-res images of other planets, and our ability to gain soil samples and just knowledge is power.

Yes. If you were talking to somebody out there who's struggling with some chronic health issue or something they don't quite understand, maybe they're going to a primary care doctor, that's just giving them kind of conventional answers, treatments, you know, take some Tylenol, some ibuprofen, some, you know, a proton pump inhibitor, you know, whatever, treat the surface level thing with some, you know, pill. What would you recommend to them? I think if you, I mean, I've said this, if you eat the average American diet and you go to the average American doctor,

don't be surprised when you get diagnosed with the average American chronic disease. If you really, truly care about your health, take sovereignty on autonomy over your, your health. Understand that nobody's going to do it for you. You've got to take yourself out of the rat race. And it doesn't have to be waste well. There's hundreds of clinics, if not thousands, throughout the country that are doing proactive predictive medicine using blood work algorithm-based medicine to drive health span and go do a deep dive. One time, you save the money, spend a little bit of money to see, to get a glimpse into what health care could be. Yeah. If you weren't caught in that ecosystem. Well, it's so wild to me. They call it functional health. Like, it's some exotic

beast, you know, some like, you know, weird, esoteric thing that's like hard to understand. It's just more biomarkers. It's just more data. Like, like, like, obviously you're going to want more in, in what other industry would say you're building, you know, I would just call it healthcare. Yeah, it's called. Because the existing system's sick care. It's sick care. This is healthcare. Rather than managing chronic disease, because if we're really truthful about what the existing ecosystem is, it is built to manage chronic disease, not prevent to manage. Yep. And so if you want to prevent chronic disease, you've got to take yourself out of that and put

yourself in a health care system. And a true health care system is going to get proactive and predicted by looking at your biomarkers and assessing it. The cancer that you develop in your 40s manifested in his 30s. The diabetes that you develop in your 30s manifested in your 20s, right? chronic disease has leading indicators, and we can see those indicators. And the more diagnostic sets we have, the deeper die we can do, and the more we can project and prevent. So like a dexas scan tells us your visceral fat, your subcutaneous fat, how much body fat you're storing.

You combine that with a VO2 max. Now we know your lung capacity, your heart health, your overall cardiovascular conditioning, combine that and layer it with biomarkers. And we've got over 70 biomarkers that tell us where you're at the biological level, which is a snapshot of you in time. Now combine that with multiple biomarkers. Now tie that into a wearable. Now monitor your deep sleep, your rim sleep, your heart rate variability, put all these data sets together and allow large language models like Allen to assess that. Now cross-reference that across a large patient population of healthy individuals, not sick individuals. And right, and the other problem with the biomarkers in the primary care space is they're comparing you to that sick fish tank.

You're being compared against a tank of sick fish of other chronically ill on four more prescription medicine Americans. That is not a healthy patient population. So we narrow all those tolerances to where you would have been as a healthy 20-year-old prior to this chronic disease crisis. And our biomarker test is narrowed to that niche. And so I have a buddy who's in Florida and he called me, he's like, you're going to love this, man. I brought my blood work into my primary care. And I showed him. And he goes, these tolerances are, this is ridiculous.

This is way too strict. Like they're, they're way, this is, you're not low on this. You're not high on that. You're not this. You're not, okay. Listen to that guy and see where you go. Yeah. Or listen to us and see where you go.

Well, they're treating you at the failure mode margins of these things where when they get like seriously in the red, it's like too late. Yes. Like what can you can. That's all I'm trying to say. And so if you can, you know, manage these things ahead of time, predict them, see around the corner. Obviously you'd want to do that. How do you, if you're, you know, somebody in the audience and you're kind of, you're watching, you know, Gary Breck on a podcast. And he's like,

it's all reduces down to gene breaks, which cause nutrient deficiencies. Or you, then you hear Brian Johnson on the next podcast. And he goes, it's polyphenol rich olive oil. And I'm taking 120 things. How do you navigate this new space of having a lot of, because some of these people are really pushing the frontier of this stuff. And you have Huberman, obviously. But like, it's a lot to make sense of. So like, do you need to get tested basically and do something individualized? Or like, how do you navigate the health podcast sphere? I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot to digest.

Even for me, there's a lot to digest. And there's areas that get more aggressive and more fringe. And then there's bread and butter. And so if we look at what the difference is between a healthy, happy centenarian and somebody dies at the average American life expectancy, the difference is the onset of chronic disease. And so let's just distill this down to simple. basic X's and O's blocking and tackling. Okay. So your goal is to live to be a healthy,

happy centenarian where you could play with your grandkids in your 80s and 90s and you're not in a bed for the last decade of your life. Then we've got to start with preventing the onset of chronic disease because the difference between somebody dying at 70 something years old and somebody living to that access or that point is the onset of chronic disease. That's the big difference. So if we can delay the onset of chronic disease, then we can indirectly, if we can extend health span, we can indirectly drive lifespan. And my message to everyone is, I don't have all the answers. But I do know if we can drive health span, we can extend lifespan.

And if we can drive health span longer and delay chronic disease, we can buy time for brilliant minds like Dr. White to come up with the next major invention, the next major life-changing, life-altering, world-changing idea. And I recommend we buy time. We buy time you're getting proactive and predictive again. I know I sound like a broken record, but it's like,

we start in your 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s monitoring all these things. Now we're approaching the decade of decline, your 40s. It's known as the decade of decline. In your 40s, the average man ages 12 years biologically. The average woman ages 17 years biologically.

Whoa. Why? it's because there's a precipitous decline in all of our hormones. There's also a precipitous decline in all of these bioavailable necessary building blocks that we were talking about with Dr. Whiteer. Right? Everything begins to diminish. If we can bring all those levels up to normal and maintain those levels at an optimal biological level into your 40s, 50s and 60s, we can indirectly stave off the decline. And what do I mean? Can we keep your lean muscle mass? Can we keep your visceral fat down? Can we keep your bone mineral density high? Can we keep all those things? Because for a woman who's petite, over the age of 65, one of her biggest risk factors is a bone fracture. Right? And so we are proactively monitoring your bone mineral density with ADECA. We know what your average bone mineral density decline will be if you have your hormones decline. But if we keep your hormones optimal and we treat and get proactive and predictive, we can prevent that bone mineral density decline or slow it. And then at some point in the future, hopefully reverse it.

Right. And so that's my thing. I know it's a very complicated way of saying, getting predictive and looking out for these things, we can stave off the things that are going to kill us. And we can buy ourselves enough time for really, really smart people to innovate and come up with new cutting edge modalities, cures, whatever it may be. There's so many cutting edge things that are going to come out, especially with large language models, with artificial intelligence, with CRISPR, with all the things that these guys. I mean, we're bringing back dire wolves. Like, imagine what we can do with humanity in the decades to come if we can keep you healthy.

Well, it feels like on the, you know, if you have a Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but for humanity, bring back a dire wolf would be at that very, very top. And then this stuff is just so fundamental. I even say it to, you know, all my friends in the Maha movement like you, that the Make America Healthy Again thing. I'm always like it's the most important. It's way more important. The UFO thing is such a luxury, you know, compared to how you feel every day. And so I hope, I love that vision. And I hope ways to well continues to push it the frontier as far as actual treatments, but also making this stuff accessible to people. Because I know that's part of the

vision, just making it as a, as scaled as possible, but in a responsible way and where the incentives are aligned between patient and practitioner. So I'm excited to see where you go. I'm pumped. I'm excited for the future. I'm telling we're just getting started. There's so many things that we're working on that I'm excited about. And we'll have to have you come back in and check it out so you can see. I'm so ready. I'm so ready. And yeah, man, I appreciate everything you've done. I feel so, I feel great even today. And let's see. Let's see in six weeks. Yeah. Thank you for trusting us and coming in, man.

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