American Homicide - S1: EP 11 – Who Killed Carol? Part 3

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

In the conclusion of “The Rabbi’s Wife,” the trial of Rabbi Fred Neulander reaches a dramatic climax. As Neulander defends himself on the stand, the prosecution's star witness, Len Jenoff, faces intense scrutiny. Before the high-stakes trial is over, someone finally breaks their silence.  Reach out to the American Homicide team by emailing us: [e-mail]. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF, and me, Mandy B. As we dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. Tune in and join the conversation. Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarchi. And I'm Holly Frey. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

Each season, we explore a new theme from poisoners to art thieves. We uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching. And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story. Listen to Criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro,

host of the hit podcast, Family Secrets. How would you feel if when you met your biological father for the first time, he didn't even say hello? And what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child. These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our 11th season of Family Secrets. Listen to season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Rabbi Fred Newlander was on trial for the murder of his wife, Carol Newlander. He's accused of hiring Len Jenoff as his hitman. As the trial came to its climax, Rabbi Fred Newlander decided to take the stand in his own defense. Fred had virtually hung himself when he took the stand. He was his own worst witness. But the prosecution struggled with their own star witness,

Len Jenoff. To convict this man, you have to believe what Len Jenoff told you is the truth. Having him take the stand was very risky by the prosecution. And the defense did a great job of attempting to shred Jenoff to pieces. The whole case boiled down to who was more credible, the adulterous holy man or the lying hitman.

We are in South Jersey today for the conclusion of Who Killed Carol? I'm Sloane Glass, and this is American Homicide. Just a note that this episode contains some graphic content. Please take care while listening. After three and a half weeks of heated testimony, the case of Rabbi Fred Newlander went to the jury. At the same time, a curious book debuted in bookstores titled Keep Your Mouth Shut and

Your Arms Open. The book explored how to be a good rabbi and was written by Fred Newlander. By the way, I looked, and that book is still available online. Counsel, we've received a note from the jury. On the seventh day of deliberations, Judge Baxter received a handwritten note from the jury's foreman. It reads as follows, Your Honor, after revisiting evidence and testimony, we the jury have concluded that a unanimous decision on all three counts is not possible. On that note, I am going to declare a mistrial. I was stunned. Everybody was stunned.

How could this possibly be? Arthur Megida, who wrote extensively about this case, was sitting with Carroll's family when Judge Baxter called a mistrial. I did not want to turn around. I did not want to look in their faces. How dare they let him go out on the street? And they didn't. I know what I felt and I know what I thought and

it had to have been just a fraction of their emotions." Judge Baxter ordered a retrial for Rabbi Newlander. This time, the trial would head about an hour north of Cherry Hill to Freehold, New Jersey. Freehold is where Bruce Springsteen grew up and even sang about it in his 1985 song, My Hometown. The reason Judge Baxter moved the trial was to find an impartial jury. It was difficult finding a jury because this case had been so well publicized. Megida was among the dozens of journalists who packed the tiny courtroom. There were reporters, there were cameras, it was a madhouse, it was a frenzy.

Just like the first trial, The Rabbi's Retrial was aired from start to finish on court TV. This allowed people from all over the country to play armchair juror and debate the guilt or innocence of Rabbi Fred Newlander. But back in Cherry Hill, most had already made up their minds. A majority of the residents of Cherry Hill of South Jersey, majority of the congregants in McCrush alone, believed that Fred Newlander had a hand somehow in killing Carol. In the first trial, jurors heard from Rabbi Newlander's mistress

and four witnesses who said the rabbi wanted his wife dead. Three of the 12 jurors didn't believe the state proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt, which resulted in a hung jury. I could not believe that so much evidence against the rabbi was eliminated, discarded, disgraced by the jury. In late 2002, most of the players from the first trial returned for the retrial, including the prosecutor, James Lynch. You're going to hear that Fred Newlander, the rabbi, was a man of God

who acted in a thoroughly ungodly fashion. A year had passed between trials, and Rabbi Fred Newlander appeared much thinner and his gray hair shorter. He also had a new lawyer named Michael Reilly. Let me tell you something, ladies and gentlemen. There is no evidence of Mr. Newlander's involvement in this case unless you listen to the words from the mouth of Len Jenoff. There is nothing.

There's nothing physical. There are no business records. There's no bank records. There is nothing except the mouth of Len Genoff." Just like in the first trial, the defense said Len Genoff could not be trusted. And frankly, from everything we've learned so far, Len was not credible or trustworthy. "... Len Genoff's life is nothing but lies. He even, in an effort to support this belief that he is a CIA agent, had a picture

of Ronald Reagan ostensibly autographed, Dear Lenny, from Ronnie." Many said the handwriting on that photo looked more like Len Jenoff's than Ronald Reagan's. "...there's nothing real about this man. He's a liar." The defense argued it was Len Jenoff who came up with the plan to rob and murder Carol Newlander. Len Jenoff became aware that she would take large sums of money home from her cake company. Len Jenoff went to the Newlander house that night to kill her and steal her money.

The defense also suggested the rabbi's ex-mistress, Elaine Suncini, had framed him. Does she have a reason to be angry at this person who betrayed her too? He was seeing other women. He was not only cheating on his wife, he was cheating on his girlfriend. Just like the first trial, jurors heard testimony from Elaine Suncini, Pepe Levin, Len Jenoff, and Paul Michael Daniels. Their testimony was nearly identical to the first trial, except for one witness, the rabbi's son, Matthew. By then, Matthew was a doctor,

and the prosecutor referred to him by his title, Dr. Newlander. Back on the night of his mother's murder, Matthew was working as an EMT. In fact, he was one of the first responders to his mother's murder at their home. I bring that up because of how Matthew's testimony began. Listen closely to his testimony as he describes arriving at his house.

There were two large guys and they physically grabbed me and brought me back down the driveway to where I finally suffered. Did you catch that? It was so subtle that you may have missed it, but Dr. Matthew Newlander referred to his father as Fred. That testimony caused Fred Newlander to immediately whisper into his lawyer's ear and ask, why is he calling me Fred?

But calling his father Fred was just the beginning. When I first saw him, he looked kind of the way he looks right now, sort of blank and unemotional. He said nothing to me. He wasn't breathing heavily, wasn't crying or showing any outward sign of grief or remorse at all. He didn't have a drop of blood on his clothing. Matthew didn't hold back about his father's lack of emotion or perceived lack of emotion

over his mother's murder. Never at any time did he show any signs outwardly of grief, remorse, and never in all the times that I've seen him in the years since as he ever cried, ever had a pleasant memory of her, or seemed to grieve or mourn her in any way. What you're hearing is the one huge difference between the first and second trial. Dr. Matthew Newlander was no longer protecting his father. I asked him, where's mom? What happened?

Is she okay? Is someone taking care of her? His answers were really just one, repeated over and over again. Everything's going to be okay. Everything's going to be okay. Matthew said he and his dad had had many conversations about the night of his mother's murder. So he was repulsed by what he saw,

too repulsed to go in to see if she was okay. I found my wife or child on the floor. I would want to go try to help. And you know, if he couldn't help, fine. But at least you're there. A couple of the jurors wiped away tears as Matthew struggled to choke back his own. Ironically, it was while talking

about his dad's lack of emotion. I would have given my right arm for five minutes just to sit there with her and hold her hand and tell her that I was there. Matthew's heartbreaking testimony stunned the defense, but would it be enough to overshadow the jurors doubts about Len Jenoff? Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF, and me, Mandy B.

As we dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. That's right. Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, we share our personal journeys navigating our 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engage in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that'll resonate with your experiences, Decisions Decisions is going to be your go-to source for the open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world.

Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections. Tune in and join in the conversation. Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. podcast network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia podcast. I'm Maria Tremarchi. And I'm Holly Frye. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true

crime. Each season, we explore a new theme, everything from poisoners and pirates to art thieves and snake oil products and those who made and sold them. We uncover the stories and secrets of some of history's most compelling criminal figures, including a man who built a submarine as a getaway vehicle. Yep, that's a fact. We also look at what kinds of societal forces were at play at the time of the crime, from legal injustices to the ethics of body snatching to see what, if anything, might look different through today's perspective.

And be sure to tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in custom-made cocktails and mocktails inspired by the stories. There's one for every story we tell. Listen to Criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenny Garth, Jana Kramer, Amy Robach, and TJ Holmes bring you I Do Part 2, a one-of-a-kind experiment in podcasting to help you find love again. If you didn't get it right the first time, it's time to try, try again as they guide you through this podcast experiment in dating. Hey, I'm Jana Kramer.

As they say, those that cannot do, teach. Actually, I think I finally got it right. So take the failures I've had, the second or even third or whatever, maybe the fourth time around. I'm Jenny Garth. 29 years ago, Kelly Taylor said these words, I choose me. She made her choice.

She chose herself. When it comes to love, choose you first. Hi everyone I'm Amy Robach and I'm TJ Holmes and we are well not necessarily Relationship experts if you're ready to dive back into the dating pool and find Lasting love finally, we want to help listen to I do part two on the I heart Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. If there was one major difference between the first trial and the retrial of Rabbi Fred Newlander, it was the testimony of his son, Matthew. While on the witness stand, Matthew Newlander only referred to his father by his first name, Fred. It was something even the rabbi's defense lawyer did not ignore.

Did he call his father dad? No. Did he call him father? No. He called him Fred. Right from the beginning, Fred this, Fred that. The anger of that young man and the sadness was overwhelming. Interestingly enough, the defense did not put the rabbi back on the witness stand.

Instead, they focused on Len Jenoff's long history of lying and urged the jurors not to let emotion cloud their judgment. Ladies and gentlemen, emotion is not evidence. Passion is not proof. Prosecutor James Lynch had the final word. Mr. Leonard Jenoff is not being held up to you as a model citizen. He is a man who took money to kill someone. The case went to the seven men and five women of the jury on Friday, November 15, 2002. The following Wednesday, Judge Baxter received a note

from the jury's forewoman. I understand from your note that you have reached a verdict. Yes, we have. After 27 hours of deliberations, the jury's forewoman stood before Judge Baxter. When she spoke, her voice quivered. And there was something else. She had tears in her eyes.

Before anyone could guess the meaning of those tears, the verdict echoed through the courtroom. Guilty. Nearly eight years after the murder of Carol Newlander, her husband, Rabbi Fred Newlander, was found guilty of capital murder. In the back of the courtroom, Carol's siblings all locked hands, put their heads down and started to cry.

Meanwhile, the rabbi stood there in a daze as Judge Baxter addressed the jury. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, having found the defendant Fred Newlander guilty of murder, you now have, as you know, the added responsibility of determining what penalty for that crime is to be imposed upon him. A guilty verdict in a capital murder trial triggers what's known as the penalty phase. This meant these 12 jurors, one who already had tears in her eyes, had the added responsibility of deciding the rabbi's fate. And at the time, New Jersey still had the death penalty.

Under the law enacted by our legislature, the penalty may be either death or a term of years between 30 years and life imprisonment, of which 30 years must be served before the defendant is eligible for parole. Much like the trial itself, the prosecutors and the defense both presented their arguments for what they considered just punishment. And that included testimony from the rabbi.

I am here to offer a plea for my life. Fred Newlander was 61 years old at the time and delivered what was arguably the most important sermon of his life. If I look at the days of the years of my life before the first of November of 1994, they were filled with great blessings. First and foremost, I had my wife Carol. She was a remarkable woman. And I miss her, and I loved her, and I love her. Now, there are those who I'm sure behind their hands would snicker.

I have acknowledged for the longest time my behavior that was reprehensible and my behavior that was disgraceful. And yet, you must believe I loved her and love her. There is another sense of the days, of the years, of my life that will unfold. I do not know where I will be. Quite obviously, don't know now. But wherever I will be, there will be men who cannot read. The rabbi explained that in Hebrew Hebrew the word rabbi means teacher. I'm a good teacher. I was a good teacher.

I can be a good teacher and I want to help that young man. That will enhance the days of the years of my life by helping the days of the years of that young man's life. That's all I want is that opportunity to teach. I beseech you, I importune you, I beg of you for that privilege. And I promise, I promise that I will do whatever a teacher should do

to enrich the lives of people that come in contact with that teacher. The rabbi smiled and nodded to the jury before slowly walking back to the defense table. He sat down, removed his glasses, and looked exhausted. Two full days passed before the jury returned. That's when the forewoman handed a note to Judge Baxter. After due deliberation,

the jury cannot unanimously agree upon punishment. This shifted the responsibility back to Judge Baxter, who now had to impose a sentence. At another hearing in early 2003, witnesses from both sides stated their case for punishment, including the rabbi's sister-in-law. He is truly a monster beyond human comprehension, and he should never, ever be free again.

Carroll's brother also didn't mince words. You are the lowest form of humanity. You dishonored Carol, yourself, your children, this court, your congregation, the rabbinate, and Judaism. Absent from the hearing were the rabbi's son Matthew and daughter Rebecca. Instead, they sent letters to the court. Rebecca wrote, I'm not sure that he will ever fully comprehend what his ego-moniacal and selfish acts did to my family and me. Matthew went a step further and called his father a sociopath and a worthless, soulless, pathetic shell of a man.

Throughout both of these trials, the third Newlander child, Benjamin, steered clear of the courtroom. Until now, Benjamin had refrained from commenting and testifying about his mother's murder. But that day, all eyes were on him as he walked into the courtroom and broke his silence about his father.

Things like soccer games, swim meets, school events, at as many as he could, I remember seeing him there. And those were the good times. I knew that when I needed somebody to be there for me for any particular difficulty that I was having, he and I could relate on a very special level. And I knew that as busy as he was, he would always be able to find time to just guide me

through whatever issues that I was having. That's what he did for many people, was to guide them. And I knew that I could always count on him to be around for that. Benjamin Newlander was now returning the favor for his dad. I'm a teacher and one of the biggest reasons that I'm a teacher is because of my father. So I think that speaks for just his influence on me. I think he led me down an amazing path and I think that there are other people that he can do that for. Just give him the chance to show that he can still do that, because I know that he can."

Ultimately, Fred Newlander's fate was in Judge Baxter's hands. And after careful consideration, she spared him the death penalty, And after careful consideration, she spared him the death penalty, instead issuing the maximum sentence short of death, 30 years to life. Here's his former lawyer, Jeff Zucker. He's in a prison where almost everybody in the prison is serving tremendously long sentences or life sentences. The last time I saw him, he still professes his innocence. Says he had nothing to do with it. Rabbi Fred Newlander was incarcerated in a maximum security prison in New Jersey.

It's one of the country's oldest facilities. I feel horribly for the family. I mean, I don't think he's had any contact with his children. I spent a lot of time with each of his children preparing for this trial. They were all nice kids. They really were. It's a horrible tragedy for them. I think Matthew was legitimately horrified by his father. First your mother's murdered, then your father's convicted of the murder.

Can't get much worse. Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF. And me, Mandy B. As we dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships

and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. That's right. Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, we share our personal journeys navigating our 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engage in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations.

From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that'll resonate with your experiences, Decisions Decisions is gonna be your go-to source for the open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections.

Tune in and join the conversation. Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarchi. And I'm Holly Frey. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

Each season, we explore a new theme, everything from poisoners and pirates to art thieves and snake oil products and those who made and sold them. We uncover the stories and secrets of some of history's most compelling criminal figures, including a man who built a submarine as a getaway vehicle. Yep, that's a fact. We also look at what kinds of societal forces were at play at the time of the crime, from legal injustices to the ethics of body snatching, to see what, if anything,

might look different through today's perspective. And be sure to tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in custom made cocktails and mocktails inspired by the stories. There's one for every story we tell. Listen to Criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenny Garth, Jana Kramer, Amy Robach, and TJ Holmes bring you I Do Part 2, a one of a kind experiment in podcasting to help you find love again.

If you didn't get it right the first time, it's time to try, try again as they guide you through this podcast experiment in dating. Hey, I'm Jana Kramer. As they say, those that cannot do, teach. Actually, I think I finally got it right. So take the failures I've had, the second or even third or whatever, maybe the fourth time around. I'm Jenny Garth.

29 years ago, Kelly Taylor said these words, I choose me. She made her choice. She chose herself. When it comes to love, choose you first. Hi, everyone. I'm Amy Robach. And I'm TJ Holmes.

And we are, well, not necessarily relationship experts. If you're ready to dive back into the dating pool and find lasting love, finally, we wanna help. Listen to I Do Part Two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. More than eight years and two trials later, Rabbi Fred Newlander was convicted of hiring a hitman to kill his wife, Carol.

In 2003, Rabbi Newlander agreed to an interview with Barbara Walters. And once again, the rabbi declared his innocence. If you were innocent, why would God do this to you? I don't think God is a great puppeteer. I think what happened to me was driven by human beings. Rabbi Newlander said law enforcement was under an enormous amount of pressure to solve the murder and used his infidelity to label him a murderer. Rabbi, as God is your witness, did you have anything to do with your wife's murder? No. He said that of all the victims. He cried the most for

his children. He added that he was devastated that two of them wrote him off. Aren't you tormented if you're sitting here an innocent man? You have no idea how much rage I have. Show it. You know, one of the things that I have been trained to do is hold on to my emotions. The rabbi explained that there's no book that says this is how a guilty person acts and this is how an innocent person acts. I can't express remorse for a murder that I did not commit.

I can't express remorse for a murder that I did not commit. Afterwards, Barbara Walters called their interview eerie because the rabbi, who claimed to be enraged, displayed no emotion throughout their interview. As for Len Jenoff and Paul Michael Daniels, the two who actually carried out the murder of Carol Newlander, both pled guilty and were sentenced to 23 years in prison I've dealt in one way or another with the Newlander case since 1999 Arthur Megida wrote the book The Rabbi and the Hitman and there was one final and bizarre twist in this case in May And there was one final and bizarre twist in this case. In May 2008, Len Jenoff filed a motion challenging his sentence. In that motion, he claimed ineffective counsel and stated that his lawyer slept through most of his court proceedings.

He also alleged he had been promised significantly less time than 23 years. Len Jenoff was such a dubious and questionable character. And in the best of all worlds, nobody should believe anything he ever said. And then in 2009, Len Jenoff said he had given a lot of thought to what happened and wanted to set the record straight. In a signed affidavit, Len wrote, "'Fred Newlander never asked me to kill his wife,

and to the best of my knowledge, he never had any idea of any attempt on his wife's life.'" In other words, Len Jenoff recanted and said the incident at the Newlanders was a robbery gone bad and not a murder for hire. He said he made up the story that implicated the rabbi because he was promised leniency if he cooperated with the prosecutor's office. How could Jenoff be believed now?

He's lied over and over again, he admits, but he claims he's telling the truth just this one time. Well it turns out Len Jenoff wasn't done lying. Three years after retracting his confession, Jenoff flip-flopped yet again. In 2012, Len told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he regretted recanting his statement. He said, I testified at two trials that Fred Newlander did hire me, in fact, to kill his wife and make it look like a robbery. And that is the truth. Len called his actions immoral and

again reverted to his initial testimony at the trials. Lenor Jenoff was not a man of his word, had never been a man of his word, and absolutely nothing coming out of Jenoff's mouth could be believed. In 2014, both Len Jenoff and Paul Michael Daniels walked out of prison free men. They both had served more than 14 years before being released from prison. Throughout the years, Rabbi Fred Newlander has appealed his conviction and petitioned for a new trial, each time he was denied. In a 2012 interview with NBC 10 in Philadelphia, the rabbi admitted his behavior in his marriage

was appalling. He called himself an embarrassment and said he should have behaved better, but maintained he did not kill his wife. I would hope that there was some deep core of Fred Newlander that was speaking to him, nagging at him and telling him he was a shame and a shambles of a human being. We'll never know what happened.

He's right. We will never know the full story about why Carol Newlander was murdered. Because in April 2024, the rabbi took those answers to his grave. Fred Newlander, a former Cherry Hill rabbi who was convicted in the murder for hire of his wife has died in prison at the age of 82.

Correctional officers found Fred Newlander unresponsive on Wednesday after performing CPR and using an AED. Newlander was pronounced dead in the hospital. No cause of death was released to the public. And according to one of the rabbi's former lawyers, up until the time of his death, the rabbi had been counseling other inmates on religion. Next time on American Homicide, when a popular teenage artist goes missing, her community jumps into action. But when police discovered a secret box full of cash, questions are raised around if police were looking for a crime scene

or the trail of a young woman who planned her own disappearance. I'm Sloane Glass. We head to Neptune City, New Jersey for the case of Sarah Stern. That's next time on American Homicide. You can contact the American Homicide team by emailing us at americanhomicidePod at gmail.com.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF. And me, Mandy B. As we dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships

and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. Tune in and join the conversation. Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast.

I'm Maria Tremorchi. And I'm Holly Frye. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime. Each season we explore a new theme from poisoners to art thieves. We uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures from legal injustices to body snatching. And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story.

Listen to Criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro, host of the hit podcast, Family Secrets. How would you feel if when you met your biological father for the first time, he didn't even say hello? And what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child? These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our eleventh season of Family Secrets. Listen to Season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts.