American Scandal - West Memphis Three | Beyond a Reasonable Doubt | 3

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin are put on trial for murdering three 8-year-old boys in West Memphis, Arkansas. Though the police have limited physical evidence, they’re confident they can convince the jury that Echols and Baldwin are part of a Satanic cult. The explosive verdict leads to a controversy that lasts over two decades. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Listener discretion is advised. It's the evening of February 17, 1994, on a highway in rural Arkansas. 30-year-old attorney Dan Stidham races through the darkness. His eyes occasionally flick from the road to the clock the dashboard. He doesn't have much time. Earlier this evening, he had a call from a deputy prosecutor in the small town of Rector in northeast Arkansas. He told Stidham that his client, 17-year-old Jesse Miss Kelly, was going to make another statement about the murders of the three boys in West Memphis. But this was news to Stidham. Miss Kelly has recently been sentenced to life behind

bars for the killings, but now that the trial of the other alleged murderers, Damien Eccles, and Jason Baldwin is approaching, the authorities have taken. mistaken Miss Kelly out of prison and brought him to a law office in Rector to talk with prosecutors. And Stidham fears that unless he stops him, Ms. Kelly is about to do something he'll regret. So after a frantic 45-minute drive, Stidham speeds into Rector. He storms into the conference room at the law office, his face red with rage. Stidham finds Miss Kelly in handcuffs, chatting casually with prosecutors. Jesse, don't see another one.

word to them. Gentlemen, I demand to speak to my client in private. The others file out of the room without a word. Ms. Kelly gives Stidham a confused smile. Hi, Mr. Stidham. Are you everything all right? No, Jesse, it's not. I told you not to meet with the police or anyone else unless I was there. Well, they said if I talked to them, my girlfriend could come see me. When did they tell you that? They've been coming by myself. What? For how long? Miss Kelly shrugged. A while. Jesse, God, you should have told me about things like that. We were just talking. Are they trying to convince you to testify against Damien and Jason next week?

Yeah, but I thought you didn't want to testify. That's what you told your dad, isn't it? But Mr. Stidem, I don't like jail. Oh, Jesse, I know. I'm already stuck there for the rest of my life, and the cops say they can make it easier on me. I just want to see my girl. Jesse, look, if you testify against Damien and Jason now,

it could make it harder to appeal your conviction. Don't you understand? Ms. Kelly stands up in frustration. God, anything I do, there's always someone telling me I'm doing it wrong. I'm not telling you you're doing it wrong. I'm just trying to help you, Jesse. Well, that's what the police say too. But I'm your lawyer. I'm on your side. So let me ask you again, did you kill those three boys?

No, I told you that a thousand times. Did Damien and Jason kill those boys? No, I mean, I don't know for sure, but I wasn't there if they did. Then you can't go saying otherwise, Jesse. That's all there is to it. Well, what difference does it make? What difference does it make? I told you, what about your appeal?

As your attorney, I'm strongly advising you to rethink this decision. Well, all I've been doing is thinking, Mr. Stidham, I'm sitting in that cell all day long, and people are yelling things at me, and I can't see my dad, and I can't see my girl, and the police won't leave me alone. There's a sharp knock on the door, and Stidham scowls. We're not finishing here. No, I think we are.

I know you're trying to help Mr. Stidham, but I've decided. I'm going to tell them whatever. Then I'm going to see my girl. and then I'm going to go back to prison forever, because none of it matters anyways. As Jesse Miss Kelly is led away, Dan Stidham sinks into an office chair, shaking his head. Miss Kelly doesn't understand what he's doing. He's just a kid, and it's Stidham's job to protect him. So after allowing himself a moment of despair, Stidham goes looking for a telephone. Maybe Miss Kelly's father can get through to him. Somebody has to be able to stop this.

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Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondry's American Scandal. In our latest series, three teenage boys from West Memphis, Arkansas, are accused of a vicious triple homicide. There's no real evidence linking them to the crime except rumor and fear, and that'll be enough to convict them. Listen to American Scandal on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. From Wondery, I'm Lindsay Graham, and this is American Scandal. In early 1994, Jesse Miss Kelly was convicted of the murders of second-graders Michael Moore, Christopher Byers, and Stevie Branch. Because the crimes had been so brutal, police in West Memphis, Arkansas had jumped at the conclusion that the boys were tortured and killed as part of a satanic ritual. But the case had all hinged on Miss Kelly's confession. He had told police that he killed the boys along.

alongside two other local teenagers, Damien Eccles and Jason Baldwin. Ms. Kelly's attorneys had argued that he was coerced into talking and that the police took advantage of him, but by then it was too late. The confession had been made, and now, a few months after Ms. Kelly's conviction, his alleged accomplices were preparing for their own trials. And just like Miss Kelly, Eccles and Baldwin would face an uphill battle against a public and police who were already convinced they were guilty. This is episode three,

beyond a reasonable doubt. It's February 1994 at the county jail in West Memphis, Arkansas. Attorney Paul Ford is escorted through the echoing halls to his client's cell. Ford is representing 16-year-old Jason Baldwin in his upcoming murder trial, and since Baldwin's arrest last year, Ford hasn't been able to bring him much good news. But today, not only does he have good news for Baldwin, he also has pizza. Hey Jason, how are you? Is that pizza?

I have a slice. You look like you need one. Baldwin grabs a slice and eagerly takes a bite. Oh, this is amazing. You have no idea how bad the food is here. Well, I'm bringing it to you because we have a reason to celebrate. Actually, two reasons. One is that Jesse Miss Kelly has changed his mind again.

So he's not going to testify against us? Apparently his dad sat him down and made him see the line. So this is a major win for us. All right. Jesse, I knew he would do the right thing. But what's the second reason? The second reason is that the state wants to make a deal. What kind of deal? The prosecution is willing to ask the judge for a reduced sentence for you, maybe 40 years. And that's good? Well, it's better than the death penalty. What would I have to do? You'd have to testify against Damien. Well, no way. It's not as bad as it sounds. No, no, I won't do it. A few minutes on the stand could change everything. I'm not going to get up there and lie. Well, Jason, they just sentenced Jesse to lie. life, and you're only 16 years old. That's a long time behind bars. But we're innocent. You believe me, right? Look, you and Damien are being tried together. I hoped I could get you two separated, but they're not going to have it. And that means the jury is going to hear how Damien's been in mental

hospitals, how he's a witch, and God knows what else. He's a Wiccan, not a witch. Jason, you know as well as I do that people think he's weird, witch, Wiccan, it's not going to matter. And I'm sorry to say, but that might be enough to convict and take you down with him. I don't want to talk about this again. I know Damien can be odd. I don't know why he is the way he is, but we didn't kill anyone. So I'm not going to go in front of the court and say we did.

Are you asking me to lie? No, no, of course not. But do think this through, please. Talk to your parents. Without Jesse to testify, we've got some real leverage for the first time. What if I talk to the prosecutors again? Maybe we can get them to knock the sentence down even more. I mean, 20 years sounds a whole lot better than a life.

time, right? Look, Mr. Ford, I don't care if they offer to get me out right this second. I'm not taking a deal if I have to lie. Thanks for the pizza, though. On February 19th, 1994, the trial of Jason Baldwin and Damien Eccles gets underway in Jonesboro, Arkansas. The town is 60 miles north of West Memphis, and the hearing has been moved there at the request of the defense. They feared it would be impossible for Baldwin and Eccles to receive a fair trial in West Memphis, where almost everyone in the local community seems dead set against them. Jonesboro is about twice the size of West Memphis, home to Arkansas State University. It's slightly wealthier and better educated than most other places in the region. But if Baldwin or Eccles hope that people in Jonesboro will be more willing to give

them the benefit of the doubt than they are soon disappointed, finding 12 people willing to act as jurors doesn't prove easy. 150 locals or summon for jury duty, but only 62 show up, and many of them are soon dismissed. With all the rumors of cult activity and the horrific nature of the crimes, the potential jurors tell the judge

they simply can't be impartial. The jury selection process ends up taking most of the first week, but finally, on February 28, 1994, a group of jurors is seated and testimony in the trial can begin. That morning, Damien Eccles, takes his place at the defense table. He's wearing a striped shirt, buttoned up to the collar

without a tie. His long, dark hair has been cut since his arrest, but it still hangs in curtains around his face. He pushes it behind his ears as he looks around the room. There's a soft murmur of tense conversation. Lawyers huddled together, making last-minute plans. The families of the victims cling to each other for support. And off to one side, leaning against the witness box, are two children's bicycles with evidence tags hanging from their handlebars. At the other end of the defense table is Jason Baldwin. With his hair also cut short and a baggy shirt that almost hangs off of him, he looks even younger than he usually does.

The pair's eyes meet for a moment as their lawyers take their seats between them. Then a door opens, there's a shout for everyone to rise, and the judge David Burnett sweeps into the room. From the outset, it's clear that the state knows the physical evidence against the two defendants as thin. At the scene of the crime, the police only found a few fibers that could be linked to either Eccles or Baldwin, but these come from mass-produced clothing

that's sold in stores all over the country. There's also a knife that was found in a lake between the two boys' trailers. It has a serrated edge, which is consistent with the victim's injuries, but there's no way to prove it's the murder weapon. And although Damien Eccles has been seen carrying a similar-looking blade, there's still no proof that this particular knife

ever belonged to him. So with such little physical evidence to call on, and with Jesse Miss Kelly now refusing to testify, it's the allegations about Satanism that form the backbone of the prosecution's case. This is where fractures start to appear between the two defense teams. Lawyer for Damien Eccles know his occult interests are a weakness, and they plan to counter the prosecution's claims head on. But Baldwin's team wants to bar the prosecution from mentioning the occult at all. They point out to the court that unlike Eccles, Baldwin is not a Wiccan. In fact, he has never shown any interest in the occult, alternate religions, or magic. There's no reason to believe he's anything other than an ordinary Christian boy,

and it's unfair on him to imply otherwise. Judge David Burnett can see their point of view, but he still refuses to bar the prosecution from mentioning cults. He accepts the argument that it's crucial to the case against Damien Eccles. But what he does do is instruct the jury to disregard any testimony about the occult when it comes to Baldwin. They are only to consider Satanism when contemplating Damian Eccles. Baldwin's defense doubts the jurors can follow these directions. Their biggest worry has always been that the jury will convict Baldwin purely on his association with Eccles. That's why they've repeatedly requested severance for Baldwin to be tried separately from Eccles. But again and again, Judge Burnett has rejected that plea.

Now Baldwin's attorneys have no choice but to make the best of a bad. situation. Among the first witnesses called is West Memphis Detective Brin Ridge. He was on the scene when the bodies were discovered in the creek, and he describes to the court how the boys were found tied and mutilated. Under cross-examination, though, he's forced to reveal that the West Memphis Police Department's handling of evidence was far from ideal. Two exhibits submitted as evidence in the trial were only recovered from the scene months after the murders, and the defense implies that this is proof that the investigation was inept. Detective Ridge is followed on the stand by the medical examiner who performed the autopsies on the three boys.

Aided by photographs and diagrams, he gives detailed and often disturbing evidence about the injuries suffered by the victims. But when the discussion turns to time of death, he takes the court by surprise. When he appeared as a prosecution witness at Jesse Ms. Kelly's trial, he refused to pinpoint the time of the killings. And at first, in this trial, he sticks to that approach again, calling such calculations more of an art and not a science. But under pressure from the defense, he eventually gives an estimate telling the court that the killings likely took place on May 6, 1993, at some time between 1 and 5 a.m. That's radically different from any timetable suggested by either the police or the prosecution, and the state's lawyers are left seething. In the first few days of the trial,

the defense has introduced doubt about both the competence of the police investigation and the accuracy of the prosecution's timeline. So sitting at the table alongside his defense team, Jason Baldwin, feels a glimmer of hope. The prosecution evidence against him seems slight and circumstantial, but then, on the third day of the trial, a witness he doesn't recognize takes the stand. 16-year-old Michael Carson pushes his sandy shoulder-length hair away from his face as the prosecution lawyer begins his questions. Carson tells the court that after being convicted a burglary back in August of 1993, he served a week at the same jail as Baldwin. Although the two weren't cellmates, he claims he spoke to Baldwin in a common area twice.

He says that on both occasions, they played cards together. The first time they met, Carson states that he asked Baldwin whether he really was a killer. Baldwin denied it. But according to Carson, during a second game the following day, Baldwin casually confessed to murdering the three eight-year-old boys. Carson says he then went into gruesome detail. Baldwin allegedly told him about how he dismembered and disfigured his victims and how he sucked blood from their genitalia.

There's shocked silence in the courtroom at that remark. At the defense table, Baldwin can only stare and disbelief at what he's hearing. He doesn't even remember meeting Carson, let alone talking to him. And if this conversation they supposedly had was so shocking and memorable, it seemed strange Carson didn't mention it to anyone else until just recently. Recently. Anticipating exactly this point, the prosecutor then asks Carson why he didn't come forward sooner. Carson explains that he initially kept the information to himself, but months later, he saw the families of the victims at a press conference on TV. The sight of them

grieving broke his heart, so he told his father about the card game with Baldwin, and his dad encouraged him to report what he had heard to the police. Sitting beside his lawyers, Baldwin shakes his head. It's all so absurd. He wants to get up there on the stand and tell everyone that this is nonsense. He was mowing his uncle's lawn when the murders happened. He's not a Satanist. He's not violent. He's just a regular kid.

But he knows he can't say any of this. His lawyers have advised him against giving evidence. They say the prosecution will twist his words and use them against him. So all Jason Baldwin can do is sit and listen and try to contain his anger as his fate is decided without him. I'm Indravama and in the latest season of The Spy Who, we open the file on Oleg Gordievsky, the spy who outran the KGB. A rising star in the heart of Soviet power, Gordievsky is secretly feeding MI6 the Kremlin's deadliest secrets. For 11 years, he walked a razor's edge, exposing KGB threats that hastened the Cold War's end and helped prevent nuclear annihilation. But the KGB have a mole of their own.

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rumors soon spread that the killings were the work of a satanic cult. Suspicion landed on three local teenagers, but there was no real evidence linking them to the murders. Still, that would not protect them. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondry Show American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history, presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, three teenage boys are falsely accused of a vicious triple homicide,

but their story doesn't end with their trials or convictions. Instead, their plight will capture the imagination of the entire country and spark a campaign for justice that will last for almost two decades. Follow American Scandal on the Wondria, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of American Scandal, the West Memphis 3, early and ad-free right now on Wondry Plus. It's early March 1994, and much of America is transfixed by the sensational court case underway in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Two TV cameras have been set up in the courtroom to capture every moment in the trial of Damien Eccles and Jason Baldwin.

From Arkansas, the footage is relayed to Brock. all across the country, including testimony for the prosecution from over a dozen witnesses. These include occult expert Dale Griffin's, who explains why he believes the murders were committed by Satanists. He cites the defendant's dark clothes, the murders taking place on a full moon, and even the fact that there were three victims, a sacred number to Satanists. Griffin calls it the root of six, and as everyone knows, 666 is the devil's number. The defense tried, to have Griffin's evidence thrown out. It's revealed in court that Griffiths secured his PhD

from a non-accredited institution without taking a single class in his supposed expertise. Even the prosecution is surprised by that. But Judge David Burnett once again rules against the defense and allows the testimony to stand. More damning, though, is the evidence from a pair of children. 12-year-old Christy van Vickle and 15-year-old Jody Medford both claim they overheard Eccles bragging

about committing the murders at a softball game. Eccles has admitted to alluding to the killings at different times, but he's always insisted that at worst, he would have been making a joke in bad taste. The jury, though, doesn't seem to share his sense of humor. And despite the best efforts of Eccles' defense team to cast doubt on the girl's evidence, it's clear that their words have hit home.

Hoping to undo some of the damage, on March 9, 1994, Damien Eccles takes the stand in his own defense. Led by one of his lawyers, he talks about his early life and his interest in heavy metal music and Wicca that he insists have been misinterpreted by the prosecution. The last question posed by his lawyer is a simple one. Eccles has asked whether he killed any of the three boys. Eccles answers, no, I did not. With that, the defense completes its questions and gives up the floor. When he begins his cross-examination, prosecuting attorney Brent Davis doesn't hold back.

He quickly focuses on the interview Eccles had with the police investigator shortly after the murders, before he became their main suspect. Now, Mr. Eccles, do you remember who asked you those questions? I think it was Detective Ridge. Okay. And he asked you on question three, why would someone do this? Do you remember him asking you that? Mm-hmm.

Okay. And your response was that the person was sick or a Satanist. Isn't that correct? Well, he asked me if it was... possible if they could be a Satanist? And I said, yeah, I guess. Okay. So it's your testimony that you didn't say the person was sick or a Satanist that Mr. Ridge, the officer, is the one who made those statements, and you just agree. That's correct. Let's turn our attention to question number 11. How do you think the person feels that did this? Your answer was probably makes them feel good, gives them power. Now, I guess Officer Ridge said that too. No, I use common sense on that. I mean, if someone was doing it, that they must have wanted to. And if they were doing something they wanted to do, it must have made them happy somehow. So in your mind, the person that killed these three kids, it's just common sense that it made them feel good, that it gave them power. It's a common sense perspective from you.

Well, pretty much. Killing three eight-year-olds gives you power. Okay. Now, Officer Ridge has it that the number of victims was symbolic because three is a special number in some religions. Was that your response? No. So that wasn't your response. You are saying that Officer Ridge made that up and you just went along with it? I agreed with him so he would leave me alone. Did you also tell him that each person had a demonic side to them? I believe every person has a good side and a bad side. Yeah. Were those your words when you stated there was no control of the demonic portion of people? He asked me, did I think there were some people that could not control that side? And I said, yeah, I guess there is. Is that something you've read about in some of your books?

No, not really. It's common sense. Davis shares an incredulous look with the jury. Common sense again. Is it not correct that you said the killer and knew the kids and asked the kids to meet out there? Is that what you told him? He asked me if that was possible again, and I said, yeah.

So once again, you were saying that you didn't say this, that he just threw out the idea and you agreed to it. Yes, right. And if he says something different, he would be lying about it, right? I wouldn't put it past him. Did you tell him about the killer or not being worried about the victim screaming? He asked me if I thought they would be worried about screaming, and I said no, and he asked me, why not? And I said, well, they were out in the woods. Right. And did you also tell him

that the killer would probably want to hear the kid screaming? Well, if he's getting off on killing people, yeah, he probably would like to hear them scream a bit. And those were your words, though, right? Yeah, right. So is it also common sense that whoever kills eight-year-olds can feel good? and whoever kills eight-year-olds would like to hear them scream? Is that part of your common-sense philosophy? It was a risk for Damien Eccles' lawyer to let him testify. Perhaps they hoped it would give the jury a chance to see the real man behind the monster created by the media and prosecution.

But in the eyes of many in the court, though, Echle's appearance on the witness stand had only damaged his prospects. His answers might have been common sense to him, but to the jurors, it seemed like they sounded more like the words of a killer. On March 18th, 1994, after a day of deliberations, the jury finds both Eccles and Jason Baldwin guilty on three counts of capital murder. Judge Burnett's announcement in the courtroom is almost drowned out by the cheers of the victim's families. John Mark Byers can't stop himself shouting out in celebration.

Others just hug their loved ones and sob with relief that it's finally over, because while their pain will never go away, the knowledge that their son's killers have been convicted provide some sort of comfort. Elsewhere in the court, though, there's devastation. At the defense table, Jason Baldwin bursts into tears. Eccles just stares ahead, numb. Deputies then come to lead them away.

They're handcuffed and given bulletproof vest to wear as they're marched out of the courthouse to a chorus of abuse from the crowd. Three days later, their sentences are confirmed. Baldwin must spend the rest of his life in prison, and Eccles will be executed by lethal injection. After the sentencing, Eccles is transported to a maximum security facility in Varner, Arkansas. That prison is like hell on earth.

The noise is constant. Inmates scream at the top of their lungs or rave to themselves in angry whispers. Guards shout, arguments often escalate into fights, and the air is heavy with a constant threat of violence. Around six weeks after Eccles is booked, guards find a knife in his cell. Eccles claims he doesn't know how it got there, but regardless the punishment is severe, one month in the whole. Solitary confinement is even worse than regular prison. According to Eccles, when he's locked in there, he's denied food and regularly beaten.

His only source of solace is the letters of support he starts receiving from the public. He may be shut away, but it seems the outside world has not forgotten him. His defense team is already mounting an appeal against his conviction, and Eccles clings to the hope that all three of them can still be proven innocent. By now, though, Eccles' so-called accomplice, Jason Baldwin, has lost his faith. Still only 16 years old, he believes his life is effectively over. From the courthouse in Jonesboro, he was sent 130 miles away to a penitentiary in Pine Bluff in central Arkansas.

His first day there played out like a scene from a nightmare. After being stripped-searched, Baldwin was taken to a prison bathroom. him. He kept his eyes fixed to the floor, but he could feel dozens of other inmates watching his every move. One older man squirted a glob of de-lousing shampoo into his hands, then pointed to the showers. Baldwin shivered at the thought of bathing in front of everyone, but he had no choice. As he stepped under the icy water, he noticed the older inmate watching his slender body with a face like a wolf. Eventually Baldwin mustered his courage and told the man to back off. He was in prison for capital murder after all.

The old man just cracked a sideways smile and said Baldwin didn't look much like a killer. It sounded like a test, and Baldwin realized that if he was going to survive this new life in prison, he had to be strong. He stared the other inmate down until he shuffled away. Baldwin then muttered something to himself that has become his prison mantra since that day. Be tough, be tough. As he sees it, the police, the media, and the court have all made him out to be a villain. So now, to stay alive, he may have to act.

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Can they close the supply gap before one bad vial destroys everything? Make sure to follow Business Wars on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Business Wars early and ad-free right now on Wondry Plus. While Jesse, Miss Kelly, Damien Eccles, and Jason Baldwin tried to come to terms with their convictions and sentences, outside the prison walls, their families and defense teams have not abandoned them. The guilty verdicts have done nothing to persuade them that Ms. Kelly, Eccles, and Baldwin committed the crimes. Instead, they remain convinced that the young men are the victims of a terrible miscarriage of justice, and they're determined to prove it. On Eccles' defense team is Memphis Private Investigator Ron Lacks.

Since the convictions, he hasn't been able to get the case off his mind. He's continued to investigate the murders, obsessed with what he believes to be flawed police work, and he's not the only one with doubts. Outside of the police, no one did much more to put the three teenagers behind bars than 33-year-old Vicki Hutchison. She went undercover to spy on Damien Eccles and later testified against Jessie Miss Kelly in court. But in the week since the trial, even Hutchison seems to be having second thoughts. So she reaches out to Lax's office, and in April 1994, he pays her a visit at her home.

Mr. Lax, please have a cookie. Vicki Hutchison gestures to a plate of chocolate chip cookies and smiles nervously. It's my mother's recipe. She always does them better than me, though. I just can't get the consistency right. We're not here to talk about cookies. No. What exactly did you call me about, though?

You were a little vague over the phone. He said something was bothering you. Do you happen to know who received that reward money? It was like $35,000. It was supposed to go to someone who helped convict the killers. Well, now that you mention it, no, I have no idea. I'm not sure anyone ended up with it. That's a lot of money.

It certainly is. But that's not the reason you got me all the way out here, is it? Well, people say I should have gotten it. Me and my son Aaron, we broke the case for the. them. And it burns me up thinking about it. Thinking about what? The reward money? No, the entire thing. Ever since the trials, more and more, I've been thinking that investigation was a little fishy. Lax takes a cookie and pulls out his notepad. Fishing, huh? Well, how so? Well, I guess I've been reconsidering some things, you know? Remembering some stuff I might have forgotten. I see.

Like, for one thing, do you know the cops put a tape recorder in my trailer? They wanted to record me talking to Damien Eccles to catch him talking about being in a cult. Uh-huh, if I remember Remember correctly, they said the tape was garble, too garbled to use. Yeah, well, I never signed a release for that. They said you did, but I didn't. Mr. Lax, you have no idea the kind of pressure I was under. The same time all this was going down, my last job was trying to get me arrested for overcharging the company credit card. I mean, the stress, you can imagine, I was hardly sleeping. Yeah, this credit card business, the police ever used that against you? I shouldn't say. They made me swear not to tell. Vicky, what did they do? Come on, this is important.

Hutchison leans across the table. The lowers her voice. They said they would take care of the credit card charges as long as I agreed to testify against Little Jesse. Are you saying you committed perjury? What I'm saying is I'm another victim here, Mr. Lacks. Ms. Hutchison, if you're telling me that you did not tell the truth in court, that's a serious crime.

You understand that? Well, no, then I'm certainly not saying that. Then, Ms. Hutchison, what are you saying? I'm saying I don't think they did it. In fact, I reckon there's plenty more evidence against certain other people than any one of those boys. And maybe people should be taking a closer look at them instead. Over the next few months, Vicki Hutchison calls Ron Lax's office repeatedly. Each time she shares more troubling information about her interactions with the West Memphis Police

Department. Her statements only cement Lax's belief that there were deep flaws in the original investigation. Soon though, it won't just be Lax and the rest of the defense team expressing doubts, Because in 1996, just over two years after Jesse Ms. Kelly, Damien Eccles, and Jason Baldwin were convicted, HBO, finally releases its documentary about the murders. Title Paradise Lost, The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills, the film doesn't directly contradict the case presented by the prosecution at trial, but it does challenge the notion that Ms. Kelly, Echols, and Baldwin were violent and depraved Satanists. And it highlights the factual errors in Ms. Kelly's crucial confession, details that weren't always. fully explored in contemporary media reports. The documentary is an instant success. There's a surge of new support for the convicted men who are now dubbed the West Memphis

3 by those convinced of their innocence. And with the internet exploding in popularity, fans of the documentary from across the country joined together to create an online support group. They start corresponding via email and launch a grassroots effort to overturn the verdicts and secure a retrial. High-profile celebrities like actor Johnny Depp and Pearl Jam singer Eddie Vetter join the movement. But the campaigners don't just fight to clear the names

at the West Memphis 3. Some of them take a closer look at other suspects who might be responsible for the murders, and one name crops up again and again. John Mark Byers is the stepfather of one of the murdered boys and the former unofficial spokesman for the victim's families. He features prominently in the HBO documentary, but many viewers find his actions suspicious.

There are suggestions that he enjoyed the attention of the documentary makers a little too much. Then there's the mystery of the hunting knife he gave to one of the film crew. He denied ever using it, but forensic tests revealed the presence of human blood on its blade, blood that was consistent with that of his stepson Christopher. Byers has always said that he had nothing to do with his stepson's murder, and though West Memphis detectives interviewed him about the knife,

they insist he was never a suspect either. But the doubts about Byers are about to deepen once again. Since the trial, the Byers family has moved about two hours north of West Memphis to the city of Cherokee Village, but they haven't been able to escape their troubles there. In September 1994, Byers and his wife, Melissa, were both briefly jailed for their involvement in the theft of more than $20,000 worth of antiques. Then a month later, a neighbor filed a restraining order against Byers, after he spanked their child hard enough to leave a bruise.

And then, on March 29, 1996, another neighbor named Norn Metz answers a frantic knock at his door. It's John Mark Byers, and he's panicking. Mets can hardly understand a word he's saying, but eventually follows Byers next door to his home. There, in the main bedroom, Melissa lies still on the mattress, her face deathly pale. Byers tells Mets she won't wake up, and he doesn't know what to do.

Mets checks her pulse. but there's nothing there. So he tells buyers to start CPR and then runs to dial 911. The EMTs arrive a few minutes later and discover Melissa unconscious but still alive. She's rushed to the hospital. Doctors can't figure out what's wrong with her, though. She hasn't had a drug overdose and there's no signs of trauma on her body. Then, just over an hour later, Melissa passes away at the hospital.

Her death baffles the authorities. Even an autopsy can't determine why she died. At one point, police start investigating the possibility that Melissa was smothered, but they find no evidence of that either. In the end, it's never established whether foul play was involved or not, and no charges regarding the incident are ever brought. Still, Melissa's mysterious death thrust John Mark Byers right back into the spotlight. Combined with the HBO documentary, to some people, Byers suddenly looks like a plausible suspect in the murders of the three little boys and the campaign for justice for the West Memphis 3 is growing in strength.

But winning in the court of public opinion alone won't be enough for Jesse Ms. Kelly, Damien Eccles, and Jason Baldwin. If they are to clear their names and reclaim their freedom, the West Memphis 3 will have to convince a far more skeptical audience, the same legal system that convicted them in the first place. From Wondering, this is the third episode of our series on the West Memphis 3 for American Scandal. In our next episode, Damien Eccles, Jason Baldwin, and Jesse Ms. Kelly desperately attempt to appeal their convictions. But a series of setbacks leaves them on the brink of despair before at last some form of justice is done.

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executive produced by me, Lindsay Graham for Airship. Audio editing by Mohamed Shazi, sound design by Gabriel Gould. Music by Thrum. This episode is written and researched by Terrell Wells. Fact-checking by Alyssa Jung Perry. Managing producer Emily Burke. Development by Stephanie Jans. Senior producer Andy Beckerman. Executive producers are William Simpson for Airship, and Jenny Lauer Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.