American Thought Leaders - Exposing an Illegal Chinese Immigration Hub Run by a CCP Police Officer: Philip Lenczycki

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Sponsor special: Up to $2,500 of FREE silver AND a FREE safe on qualifying orders - Call 855-862-3377 or text “AMERICAN” to 6-5-5-3-2“In the last four years, there has been an unprecedented surge in Chinese illegal immigration, so an over 1100 percent increase. … There is a large underground economy tied to this network,” says Philip Lenczycki, a senior investigative reporter at the Daily Caller News Foundation.He has been investigating Chinese illegal immigration networks, in particular an online Telegram channel with thousands of users that has apparently served as a hub facilitating illegal crossings with travel guides, specific border crossing points, detailed routes, and scripts for interacting with Border Patrol agents and applying for asylum. Lenczycki discovered the channel was run by a self-identified Chinese cyber police agent.Lenczycki has also found key figures in the network promoting prostitution and sex trafficking in the United States.In this episode, he breaks down his key findings.Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.*Big thanks to our sponso

This is a Chinese language telegram channel serving as a hub for documents, travel guides, and routes in the United States. It identifies specific border wall crossing points and also has scripts detailing how to interact with Border Patrol agents. This entire channel and related channels were being run by an individual who identifies himself as a Chinese police officer. Philip Blanchitsky is a senior investigative reporter at the Daily Caller News Foundation. He has been investigating Chinese illegal immigration networks, which he found to be promoting prostitution and sex trafficking in the United States. In the last four years, there has been an unprecedented surge in Chinese illegal immigration, so an over 1100% increase. There is a large underground economy tied to this network, and I believe that it is

just the tip of the iceberg. This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Jan Jekielek. Before we start, I'd like to take a moment to thank the sponsor of this podcast, American Hartford Gold. As you all know, inflation is getting worse, job numbers are a lot worse than previously forecast, and many Americans are worried about a coming recession. But there is one way to protect your savings. American Hartford Gold makes it simple and easy to diversify your savings and retirement accounts with physical gold and silver. With one short phone call, they can have physical gold and silver delivered right to your door or inside your RRA or 401k. American Hartford Gold

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What occurred was that in around January of this year we were contacted by a individual in California who lived about 50 miles to the east of San Diego by the border and he actually had discovered a cell phone an operational cell phone near a known crossing point and by sheer dumb luck was able to guess the password, which was 123456. And after gaining access into it, that's when he learned it had belonged to a Chinese illegal immigrant.

And that soon thereafter, he contacted our organization. You know, before we dig deep, just tell me the general picture. I understand there's been a huge surge of illegal immigration from communist China. Can you just paint that picture for me before we go into the details of the investigation? Of course. In the last four years, there has been an unprecedented surge in Chinese illegal immigration. So an over 1100% increase. The numbers have tripled in the last three years from around 20-some thousand now to the latest numbers for this fiscal year are 72,000 encounters. And so we're seeing this coming in predominantly across the southern border, but of course there are also crossings at the northern border. Tell me what was on this cell

phone. Well, when we began to look through its contents, the first thing that we noticed were the photos showing the actual route that this individual took. The trip likely began in China and then went to Thailand, then Morocco. At this point we found that it appeared that the individual was deciding on either going to Spain or France. He ended up going to France. From France, he flew to Panama. Now, at this point, you'd imagine that he would be going north, but he did not. He actually went then to Ecuador, and he met up with another group of individuals who were flying in from Amsterdam. And together, they traveled from Ecuador to Colombia. They went into Panama through the Darien Gap, the jungle there,

and then on the other side arrived at something called Camp China, which is otherwise Camp San Vicente, which is a UN and Panamanian government-run refugee camp. And then they continued on through Costa Rica and all the way up. You know, one of the sort of really amazing findings on this cell phone was the American Self-Guided Tour Telegram channel. So tell me about that. After sort of digging and digging and digging into what we had, there was an itinerary, a photo of an itinerary on the phone. And through another stroke of luck, we found out that this was linked to a telegram channel.

And this is a Chinese language telegram channel called the American Self-Guided Tour Channel. This channel facilitates Chinese illegal immigration by serving as a hub for documents that detail travel guides and routes into the United States. It identifies specific border wall crossing points and also has what we might call scripts detailing how to interact with border patrol agents. And furthermore, one of the most striking discoveries was that this entire channel and related channels were being run by an individual who identifies himself as a Chinese police officer. Right. So Jack W., you know, tell me about this Jack W. What made you think that this is credible, that he's not just sort of tooting his own horn, so to speak?

Right. That's a good question. He made statements explicitly stating, I am a police officer. Cyber police, if I believe. A cyber police officer, correct. And on multiple occasions, he has banned accounts in the channel who have said derisive things regarding the Chinese Communist Party. He's also spread Chinese Communist Party propaganda. And he's even at times sort of explicated his own duties as a Chinese police officer. So it's very clear that that's how he at least wishes to be seen. Tell me a little more about the types of maps or, you know, root notes that you saw in the channel. Of course.

What we found were more than a dozen different what you might call travel guides, and they varied in their scope. Some were focused in on travel through a specific country. So we saw, for instance, one that was focused on travel through Mexico. It would show a series of more or less Google Map screenshots showing how to get from point A to point B to point C. And it was very, very granular in its scope.

And then there were other, what you might call travel guides, that were looking at international travel between multiple countries. And this type would be the one that we found on this individual's phone. And tell me a little bit about the border gaps that are identified, that you found identified in these guides.

We found more than a dozen border gaps identified in this network. And the majority of these border gaps were in California, but there were also crossing points in Arizona and New Mexico. Texas was regarded as being just so easy to cross, so wide open in certain places that having a specific guide wasn't even really required. But as for the locations that they identified in California, where we visited, Most of them are about 50 miles to the east of San Diego

in an area called Hacumba, Hacumba Hot Springs, in that region. And there are a number of other locations a bit to the west that are just to the northeast of Tijuana in what's called the Ote Mountain Range. And so let's talk a little bit about these sort of methods of evading the Border Patrol or the questions. There's this whole dimension. The network has a number of documents and they both show sort of the structure to the immigration system, sort of cluing folks in about what they might encounter once they cross the border. So there's a very detailed number of charts and it's really quite sophisticated. So at one level there's just a deep understanding of our of our process. And secondly there are these scripts that actually are sometimes presented in the form of a dialogue between a hypothetical you know arrival and Border Patrol agent. And the statements are trying to establish a credible

threat of fear in order that they will successfully gain asylum in the United States. And that can manifest in a number of ways. There were examples where they would have, you know, sort of a soliloquy saying that I've escaped communist China because I was facing religious persecution, or I was being discriminated against for my sexual persuasion, or things of that nature. And there were many documents. Gender was another one, right? That I've been gender discriminated. Correct. All types of different dimensions to it that would map onto what the UN or the United States would grant asylum for. And so I believe it's reverse engineered. Tell me a little bit about how that works.

I mean, there's a whole oversight hearing about this. I remember after sort of your initial revelations. What do people actually need to do to gain entry had received a tip from a former federal employee. And this was an email that was leaked to us that showed that the vetting process for Chinese illegal immigrants specifically, the process was simplified and that they were required, Border Patrol agents were no longer required to do phone downloads to look at the contents of the phones that were coming across and that they were not required to ask as many questions. They reduced the number of questions from 40 down to just five. And there was a hearing that occurred after that report. And what we learned is that there has been an explosion of arrivals since that

simplification process. So the simplification process occurred in March, February, March of 2023, and the numbers have spiked since then. And so in order to gain asylum now, you more or less just need to show up and cross into the United States. At that time, my understanding, and from interviewing folks on the ground there, it is almost taken for granted that they are in fact genuine asylum seekers. And the questions are effectively yes or no questions. And more or less as long as they say, no, I am not a member of the Chinese Communist Party. No, I don't have military ties to the Chinese government or government ties otherwise, no, I did not attend a sensitive university in China, and no, I'm not from Xinjiang province, then there would be allowed to remain. There would be no further questioning.

And so, you know, people will just gain entry after that set of questions is answered according to the, in these documents that you found. Do I understand that right? Yeah. After they arrive, they would, what we've seen is that they gather at specific makeshift camps right across the border and then are transported by Department of Homeland Security as well as it appears to be Uber to Border Patrol agent compounds and processed and then given a court date to return for additional hearings. And this is now because of the number of individuals coming across. Some of these court dates are something like almost a decade out. And they are then brought to a transit center

and then released into the interior on their own recognizance. We reached out to U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, and a spokesperson replied via email. CBP screens and vets all individuals encountered. We do not disclose details about our vetting processes. Our multilayered border security efforts include various screening and vetting processes that work to detect and prevent individuals who pose national security or public safety risks from entering the United States. Can you just give me an overview of one of the scripts that was provided for dealing with border patrol officials? Yes. The scripts would break down how to answer questions that would be commonly asked,

and they would try to establish a credible threat of fear. So, for instance, they would state that they had been living in China. They began to suffer oppression, potentially at the hands of their husband or family member. then they would try to seek legal recourse through the local government, that that effort would be rebuffed. They would then face no alternative but to flee, and that they were seeking asylum in the United States based on discrimination against women, something to that effect. Others would state that because of their religious beliefs, they and their confreres were being persecuted in China, and they had endured some type of torture or punishment. They had spent time in prison, potentially, and then they were forced to come here. Why do you see Chinese illegal immigration

as a particular problem relative to other countries? There's a number of different concerns. First and foremost, China is obviously our greatest adversary on the world stage. Secondly, because of the way that the Chinese Communist Party operates, it's possible that these arrivals who are coming in under the umbrella of an organization beholden to the Chinese Communist Party could present a danger to Chinese Americans living here who have long escaped that. And so we need to protect those who are our fellow citizens. The Border Patrol agents with whom we spoke and others told us that this is not the way that this has been run in the past. Were they to encounter someone from China, they would be interviewed for many, many hours and the majority of the time deported. Things have changed now, and it seems that common sense has been thrown out the window.

If an individual can't substantiate their background, this should be a red flag. We are seeing that there are individuals coming across who claim to have ties to the Chinese military, to the Chinese Communist Party, to the Chinese police, so on and so forth. And we're seeing that both in the Telegram channel, which we discovered, and online. There are folks who are proudly showing off their own allegiance to China after arriving in the United States. I actually pulled a quote from North Carolina Congressman Dan Bishop, you know, chairs the House Homeland Security Oversight Investigations Accountability Subcommittee. So he described it like this. He said, we're allowing an element that is completely beyond our law to be established firmly as a beachhead in the United States of

America and the people of America are going to pay a severe price much worse than we are paying even now. Your thoughts? First and foremost Representative Bishop is doing a great job looking into this in my opinion, I believe that he grasps the inherent and over 100,000 maybe closer to 200,000 in the last four years does not account for the number of gotaways and representative bishop and I had a talk once and he said as much we can only imagine how many are coming across that are not being encountered. And we know about the fentanyl epidemic, and we can only imagine what else might be brought into our country. We hear a lot about the way that the cartels work with the smuggling organizations. And oftentimes what we're led to believe occurs is that they will deliberately direct a large group towards a location to encounter Border Patrol,

and at that same time direct groups that do not wish to encounter Border Patrol at another crossing point, and among them might be those that carry with them illicit contraband. Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about 100,000, 200,000, we don't really know the actual numbers, but they're sizable. Even if most of those people are actually genuine refugees, and we know through

some of our own investigations that some of these people are real asylum seekers. On the other hand, it doesn't even have to be a small percentage for it to be a significant problem. That's what strikes me anyway. Correct. I agree. And we know, unfortunately, that the way that the Chinese Communist Party operates is that it's very adept at coercing individuals who do not wish to even cooperate. So it doesn't even require that there are large numbers of sort of die-hard supporters of the regime. Rather, through China's United Front efforts, they can monitor and control those to serve their purposes. Well, and so let's get to more of your investigation here, because what you've uncovered

is this astonishing network of basically illicit activity. You had another piece that focused on human trafficking and prostitution rings and so forth. So give me a picture of what you discovered there. So among the accounts that are most active in this Telegram channel, one of the accounts who also happens to be an administrator of an identically named and stylized Telegram channel. This individual, he presents himself as being a snakehead. So this is someone who is involved in human smuggling.

And furthermore, in addition to offering his services for a consulting fee, he also has stated and we can say advertised the women that he is bringing across as prostitutes to work in massage parlors in California and elsewhere. And so there is a large underground economy tied to this network. And I believe that it is just the tip of the iceberg and that we're just getting a small glimpse as to how far reaching this is and what all the implications might be. Well right, so this whole network is really focused on, correct me if I'm wrong here, but on a town of about 60,000 Monterey Park. Why don't you give me a broader picture of what's happening in that town? Sure. To be clear, the Telegram channel is also directing individuals to, for instance, Queens, New York. And there are other tendrils it has. But yes, it seemed that the majority of individuals were being directed to northeast L.A.

and to specifically Monterey Park and nearby areas where there are high Chinese populations. And so specifically in Monterey Park, there is a big parking lot that is locally called and taxis that are arriving, dropping off recent arrivals. Some of the taxis that are waiting there are to take recent arrivals, assumably, elsewhere and beyond. And the area is surrounded by a number of streets that have both residential housing and apartment complexes where these recent arrivals are staying at something called family hostels or what we might think of as potentially stash houses. Some of these places are charging around $15 a night. And from our investigation, we found truly deplorable living conditions and, frankly, what appears to be potentially exploitative living conditions.

All right, what comes to mind off the top of my head is you found doors that had padlocks on the outside to living quarters. That strikes me as a big red flag. Correct. And so at an apartment building that is directly to the east of Fat-Eating Plaza, we found that the city of Monterey Park has been looking into this complex and I believe some related other addresses. And what they found was that there were a number of code violations. They were keeping as many as 15 people to a room. You can see photos from the city showing beds, mattresses,

stacked on top of paint canisters in the living spaces, even in the kitchen you can see that there are dangerous living spaces in the restrooms with clothes washers inside of the bathtub with electrical wires exposed and because of the sheer number of people living in units. The residents have been forced, compelled to use the restroom outside in holes in the ground. And as you mentioned, in fact, what they found was that there were at least one room in this complex that was padlocked from the outside and that individuals were locked inside and that someone else who owned the unit was the only person with the key to let them in and out. This certainly smacks of what we hear about stash houses. And when we pair that with what we know about what the rest of this network is doing, and that is sending women, apparently, to work as prostitutes at massage

parlors, we can only imagine what the individuals in that room were faced with. So to your point, from the Monterey City Council report, on the south side of the property, I'm just going to quote from there, on the south side of the property between the building and property line fence, we located a hole reported to us by occupants of the property that is used as an outdoor toilet due to the overcrowded conditions of units. The hole smelled of feces. One of the units had the front door barricaded with plywood screwed into the doorframe and a padlock on the adjacent sliding

door. Using the contracted locksmith entry, we discovered four men were confined inside and unable to leave the unit unless let out by another person who appeared to be in control of the unit. Yes, and it doesn't seem to be an isolated incident. Rather, the city itself reports that it has been trying to deal with this problem for a number of years. And from the Telegram channel itself, there were complaints about other properties. And specifically, at one property in northeast Monterey Park, they were stating that the landlord was abusive and that he would confiscate the tenants' passports. And furthermore, the photos from the interior show that there are maybe five or six bunk beds per room in this home. It looks like a veritable barracks.

Tell me a little more about this, this network, of course, in this Telegram channel, doing this, facilitating human trafficking, basically. It's unclear exactly what the relationship is between the Telegram channel and, for instance, the aforementioned apartment complex what we do know is that the apartment complex's address is mentioned a number of times as a place to go its address is given and whatnot as well as other residences in the area and And we looked into these locations, and they each have their own story. But what it seems to be is that the Telegram channel is a way for different elements, both outside of the United States and within the United States to work together to

provide a means by which these Chinese immigrants can arrive and then exist here. I wouldn't say live here because it seems that that might be too generous as to what some of these people are facing. It's unclear how much communication occurs between the leadership of these, you know, different organizations. For instance, it's certainly clear that this one account who identifies himself as a snake head and is directing women to certain places and directing Johns to visit them, he seems to have some type of relationship

with these various massage parlors. That seems clear. But what's unclear is if they, massage parlors, are also then in communication with, for instance, the individual who runs the entire Telegram channel, this self-identified Chinese police officer. It's unclear if the connection is that is made throughout the chain. You know, what strikes me right now is, you know, some of the reporting and investigative work that's come out of Canada from Sam

Cooper and Scott McGregor and others about this. I think they call it the unholy trinity. Basically, the unholy trinity is Chinese state security, wealthy business tycoons, and then organized crime. And that all three work in tandem together. And you need to actually look at it that way. And you'll see a very different picture than if you believe that they're kind of independently pursuing purely their own interests. So what you're describing, given that, isn't that surprising if you understand it from that vantage point? It was very clear by looking through the comments

made by the self-identified snakehead about the money that's involved. To be a snakehead is extremely lucrative. This gentleman stated that his uncle was involved in the business, and I believe for bringing over a dozen across, he made something like $700,000 or $800,000. When we think about 100,000 people or more coming across in the last couple of years, that's a lot of money to be made. Secondly, we found, to speak of this Trinity and the different sort of levels that are involved in this, there were job advertisements, if you will, and some were for massage parlors, as discussed,

and some were for restaurants and whatnot. Well, we found that there was one for a restaurant in a very upscale neighborhood or city in California to the southeast of Los Angeles called Tustin. And a very beautiful restaurant there. And they were hiring specifically from this group. We found their job advertisements. In fact, we went there, we interviewed the manager, and

after sort of playing dumb, we showed him the job posting. And he admitted that he himself had written that. So what was interesting about this, and to your point, is just sort of the different socioeconomic levels involved. You've got something as as seedy as a, you know, sort of back alley massage parlor all the way up to a fine dining experience. What would you say was the most stunning revelation from your, you know, you've spent months on this work, and, you know, I want to commend your work because it's extremely detailed,

you know, referenced across each piece, very valuable to people who want to kind of see the goods, so to speak. What was the most kind of stunning revelation of all of this for you? I think personally the most stunning revelation was the direct connection, smoking gun, if you will, that we made between the most active accounts on this Telegram channel and then the massage parlors. We visited a number of these locations, sort of staked them out, if you will, and watching the operations sort of change from day to night. During the day, things seem fairly normal. But once evening comes on, we would begin to see women in the windows

sort of presenting themselves to gentlemen. And the whole feeling begins to change. And knowing that these locations, some of them even advertise themselves in a way that makes it quite clear that other services would likely be provided. I think seeing that was the closest we got to a smoking gun that, yes, we're truly involved in looking at some type of criminal enterprise at the very least. Now, beyond that, what is the connection? What is the reason why a Chinese Communist Party-tied network would wish to promote that in the United States? That begins to raise a number of concerning and frightening questions. We spoke with a number of lawmakers about this and asked them about what they thought might be the reasons.

They stated it could be some type of setup where they're hoping to catch certain individuals, blackmail them. That's possible. Another thought was that it's a means to launder money, and that those illicit funds would be then used to support other operations. So a lot of different things could be going on. There could be agents coming through. There could be a money laundering operation.

It could be a way to conduct some type of honeypot, so on and so forth. To see that those possibilities were within the realm of possibility for a lawmaker who knows as privy to information that we are not, I found that to be quite astonishing. Well, and I think once again, it's worth thinking about this unholy trinity structure, where the Chinese state security works with organized crime,

works with various business tycoons who are all under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party, wherever they are in the world. If you understand that connection, everything you describe, I don't know, takes a whole higher level of meaning of sorts. At least that's what strikes me. Absolutely. And so Scott McGregor, Sam Cooper, Canadians generally, because you're doing some great work looking into all this, and certainly that entire structure is likely being replicated across our country. When we consider that this is an operation that is global, that they have contacts, at the very least, all throughout South and Central America,

all the way into the interior of the United States, that gives a hostile intelligence service a lot of, how shall we say, inroads and avenues of attack. We look at one specific country, and I'm by no means an expert on this topic, but Panama. A lot of activity going on in Panama. And one of the most important places in the world is in Panama. Controlling that and having a lot of influence in that area could turn into a serious national security concern.

I just want to jump in. I think you're referring to the Panama Canal here, right? That would be the one. There are a number of United Front organizations that I'm aware of operating in Panama and generally in that neck of the woods that are also simultaneously involved with facilitating illegal immigration. And we can only imagine if that is the case all the way up, then that might be a reason why the cartels are so close with Chinese syndicates and whatnot.

So there's a lot of different ways that this can manifest. Yeah, and of course, the United Front being the tens of billions of dollar funded effort to influence not just overseas Chinese communities, but also people in the West. We hear a lot about single military-aged men of Chinese origin being the ones coming across predominantly. Can you just speak to the veracity of that claim, the reality of it? If you go on to, you know, Customs and Border Protection, their website, and you look at the statistics that they have for encounters, what you'll find is that it will break down the encounters by nation, but it will not provide the gender, or the sex rather. And that has been left to those who are actually on the ground to report back to us.

Now, I can say that from my experience being down there and seeing who's coming across, yes, I did see several Chinese women, but the overwhelming majority, talking 95%, 98%, whatever, are, as they say, quote-unquote, military-age males. We've all seen, by this point, likely videos showing these gentlemen who have a certain type of, how shall we say, bearing. They have a very uniform haircut even. And ultimately, we just don't know, I guess. That's the bottom line. We don't know because we're not asking. We're not looking into it. That's the reason why we don't know. And not knowing, we shouldn't then just automatically, by default, allow them into our country. Rather, we need to err on the side of caution because the threat is so existential.

So explain to me what you mean when you say the threat is existential. Best case scenario is that there are zero individuals who have come across with nefarious intent. That doesn't seem to be likely. So then what is the number that would make this a serious threat? Well, we can look to our own history, looking at 9-11, for instance, speaking with Representative Dan Bishop, and he brought up the 9-11 Commission report. Now, how many individuals carried out those attacks? Less than 20? It doesn't take that many committed individuals to radically change the course of American history.

Now, if we're talking about a number in the hundreds or thousands, then we can only imagine how horrible it might be were we to have a committed enemy have an opportunity to bring in that number of agents. There are certainly, there's certainly been reports raising questions about what is the intent of some of these individuals who have come and within a few weeks are then seen shooting guns in the desert and things like that. There's a number of accounts on social media showing just that history that you can find. So what's happened to this Telegram channel since you did your reporting, since you did your exposés? The Telegram channel is still operational as far as I know. After the first article came out, there was sort of a

recognition that the article had come out in the group. And it's interesting to see how that went down where new accounts would come in and say is it true that this channel is being run by a Chinese police officer? And folks in the channel would say yes, yes, yes, we've known about that, go away more or less. And they've carried on with their business. Telegram did not respond to any of our requests for comment or anything like that. This is only one channel. There is an entire ecosystem of related channels of varying

size, and they are also still operational as far as I'm aware. And I can only imagine that the same thing is likely to be found on other encrypted platforms. Well, right. And this channel is about 8,000, right? Correct. Again, it would be hard to imagine that this is the only one,

or this ecosystem that you described is the only one. I mean, do you have any indications of how much more of this there's out there? I don't know. I don't know how many there might be. And it's a rotating cast of 8,000 or whatever it was the year before I visited. And so you can go through and see accounts have been deleted. Once people arrive, they no longer need it once they're

established in what they're then engaged in. But no, I have no sense of what is going on elsewhere, but more work certainly needs to be done looking into what might be occurring on WeChat or potentially even places like LinkedIn and Facebook and who knows where else. It might not even need to be hidden. The Chinese language itself presents its own natural type of encryption because there's just far too few people looking into this.

So what do you hope will be the impact of your investigations? Well, I think the goal of all of our investigations is to raise awareness about the topic. And hopefully, lawmakers will take action in lieu of that. We hope that, at the very least, that we will spur on other journalists. And even as we saw in this case, we can't take credit for the really phenomenal work that this gentleman in California did in finding this discarded cell phone.

He deserves a lot of credit for bringing that to our attention. And so hopefully our work can encourage others to keep tabs on their own neighborhoods, because that's what it's going to take. It's going to take a group effort. Should someone find something like a cell phone of this nature or something else, some other device or information that might be useful for your work, how do they get in touch with you? Please contact us at the Daily Caller News Foundation. And my information can be found on the website,

philip.dailycallernewsfoundation.com. Well, so what's next for you? Well, this is still a subject that we're going to want to keep digging into. I think that more work needs to be done in trying to understand how this network has penetrated into our country. I believe that there are going to be revelations as to its connections with things such as the illegal marijuana grows that we've heard about. There's a lot of other likely

ties that it could have. So in that regard, I think that that's a worthy subject of continued investigation. And we'll all, of course, continue to dig into all things related to how the Chinese Communist Party is seeking to influence U.S. domestic affairs. Well, Phil Lynchitsky, it's such a pleasure to have had you on. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you all for joining Philip Lynchitsky and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I'm your host, Jan Jekielek.