American Thought Leaders - Former Air Force Engineer on a Mission to Investigate Rise in Unusual Blood Clotting: Thomas Haviland

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

“The lack of response I’ve gotten by the FDA and the CDC leads me to believe that those agencies are captured. They should be doing this job. They should be out there surveying all the funeral homes and the embalmers around the world and trying to find out if this is a COVID problem. Is this a COVID vaccine problem? What’s causing these things? You can’t deny they exist, because here they are.”In this episode, I sit down with Thomas Haviland, a retired Air Force engineer and data analyst. After being fired from the military for refusing to take the COVID-19 genetic vaccine, he noticed that embalmers and funeral homes were speaking out about large, abnormal blood clots.“We should stop injections immediately, until Big Pharma can prove that these things really are safe, because the information I’ve gathered in this survey, I think, puts that greatly into question,” says Mr. Haviland.He conducted two worldwide surveys of hundreds of embalmers.“We got 179 responses to that first survey. Of those, 119 of the embalmers responding were seeing these strange white fibrous clots. Almost exactly 66 percent, two-thirds of the embalmers responding to that first survey said they were seeing these white fibrous clots ... They were seeing them in up to an average of 30 percent of their corpses, with some of the embalmers seeing them in up to 50 percent,” says Mr. Haviland.Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

The lack of response I've gotten by the FDA and the CDC leads me to believe that those agencies are captured. They should be doing this job. They should be out there surveying all the funeral homes and the embalmers around the world, trying to find out, is this a COVID problem? Is this a COVID vaccine problem? What's causing these things? You can't deny they exist, because here they are. In this episode, I sit down with Thomas Haviland, a retired Air Force engineer and data analyst. After being fired from the military for refusing to take the COVID-19

genetic vaccine, he noticed that embalmers and funeral homes were speaking out about large abnormal blood clots. He conducted two worldwide surveys of hundreds of embalmers. We got 179 responses to that first survey. Of those, 119 of the embalmers responding, almost exactly 66%, two-thirds were seeing these strange white fibrous clots. This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Jan Jekielek. Thomas Haviland, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Jan, thanks for having me on the show to talk about this very important topic. When I first found out about these fibrous white clots, you know, I heard kind of rumors about it. There was a film that showcased them. I have to say I was very suspect. There were a lot of kind of crazy things going around. And, you know, subsequently I was introduced to your work and we actually had one of our reporters, Alan Stein that you reached out to. And it turns out that a number of them indeed said they are seeing these things. So we knew we kind of, we did a little bit of our own due diligence, I would say a lot of our own due diligence. And this is a real thing. You know, it really is. And it all started for me on, like you said, I watched that movie,

Died Suddenly. It premiered the week of Thanksgiving of 2022, Monday of that week. And I almost didn't watch the movie. When it started, it was kind of crazy. It had Bigfoot and the moon landing and some other things. And I almost turned it off, but they said, you know, I'll stick with it a little longer. And I'm glad that I did, because at the 13 minute and 15 second mark in that movie, an amazing statement was made. An embalmer from the state of Indiana, Mr. Wallace Hooker, was lecturing at an embalmers association conference in Columbus, Ohio on the 26th of October in 2022. He was lecturing to a room of about 100 embalmers. He showed him photographs of these white fibrous clots like these that he'd been pulling out of his corpses

for the last couple of years and he said by a show of hands are any of you seen these same white fibers clots and he said almost the entire room of 100 bombers raised their hands yes he then asked him when did you start seeing them and they said all agreed it was in the middle of 2021 about six months after the Covid-19 vaccines rolled out so you know whatever else went on in that movie and I know there's some problems with it that statement is either true or false right either those embalmers raised their hands or they didn't so I got up the next morning it was Tuesday of the week of thanksgiving and I decided I don't think any reporter is going to chase after the story. So I decided myself to contact the Ohio Embalmers Association located in Cincinnati, Ohio. I talked to their president, their vice president, and their secretary. And I asked all

three gentlemen, hey, did you happen to be in the room at the time those 100 embalmers supposedly raised their hands saying they're seeing these clots. Well, unfortunately, none of the three gentlemen happened to be in the room at the time. But the vice president, who runs his own funeral home in a small town a little bit north of where I live, and he does his own embalming. A lot of funeral directors do their own embalming. He said, Tom, I'm seeing the white fibers clots too. So that was an aha moment for me, right? Now I had an official officer from the ohio bombers association their vice president saying that he was you know corroborating these six or seven embalmers in this died suddenly movie that I thought might be kooks so right

there and then I decided I'd need to do a survey a worldwide survey to find out how big this phenomenon was. Right. Well, so what before we continue, you know, you've done some pretty remarkable work. I mean, but this isn't really your kind of your field of expertise. So tell me a little bit about yourself and you know, kind of where you come from. I have a bachelor's in mathematics from the Ohio State University, a bachelor's in electrical engineering from Louisiana Tech University, and a master's in computer resources and information management from Webster University in St. Louis. I spent 20 years in the United States Air Force working with aircraft like the F-16, the F-22, the F-117 stealth fighter. Loved my career, really enjoyed it as an engineer and a data analyst within the Air Force. After I got out of the Air Force, I did 16 more years as a defense contractor with the Air Force. So 36 years in and with the U.S. Air Force. But yon, it came to an

abrupt halt in October of 2021. Joe Biden came out with the vaccine mandates for not just the U.S. military and the government civilians, but also defense contractors, of which I was one working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. I had already done some research during that year and saw that even though our CDC wasn't putting out good information, the U.K. was. And they had a document called SARS-CoV-2 Variants of Concern. Technical Briefing 23 was the one I was looking at, put out by Public Health England, their version of the CDC. And in Table 5 of that document, it showed hundreds of thousands of breakthrough cases of COVID amongst the fully vaccinated by the early fall of 2021. I knew about the Nuremberg Code. We were not getting informed consent.

So based upon ethical reasons and the data, because I'm a data guy, I decided I'm not going to get this jab. So a three-star Air Force general had sent out an email to the base in early October and basically telling everybody the dates they had to get the shot by or else get kicked out. So I sent him back an email, Jan, and I said, shame on you. Instead of standing up for our right to decide for ourselves whether or not to take an experimental drug, you spent your time trying to guilt us into taking the jab. Shame on you. And I knew what was going to happen. First of all, I didn't just send the email to him. I cc'd all 30,000 people that work at Wright-Patterson Air Force

Base, Ohio. So then I really knew what was going to happen. I got a call a half hour later from my defense contractor boss, and I was fired from my $165,000 a year job as an electrical engineer because I shamed the Air Force General in front of the entire base. Somebody had to do it though. I mean, somebody had to push back. None of the colonels, none of the generals at the base were pushing back on these unlawful mandates. So I made a stand right there and then, and I would do the same thing again. I consider those senior officers to be either cowards or tyrants because that's not what our country is based on. It's based on individual freedom.

You should have the right to choose for yourself whether or not you want to take an experimental drug. It's interesting in the military. I have a number of relatives in the military, but sort of chain of command. Of course, you knew it was going to happen because chain of command is kind of what it comes down to, right? Yeah, and it's bred in us to obey lawful orders the only problem with this was it was an unlawful order was given it wound up to be a blessing though because i just retired early you don't have to cry for me i i'm drawing a retired air force major salary i was also just one year away from taking social security early at age 62.

And my wife's about 10 years younger, and she still works. So we were able to make it financially, even though we have a couple of kids in college at the time at pretty expensive schools. But like I said, it then gave me the opportunity to do this, in fact, two worldwide and bomber blood clot surveys that we're going to talk about. So you've done two surveys now. Give me a sense of what you found. What I did is I used a two-pronged approach for distributing the survey. I got to give a shout out to my assistant, Laura Kasner from Northeastern Ohio. She's a wonderful friend, and she also just happens to be an expert in SurveyMonkey, which is the tool that we use to conduct the survey.

So I came up with the questions for the survey. I made them as unbiased as possible. In neither survey that I did, do I ever mention the words COVID or COVID vaccine? I did not want to lead the witness. I only asked the embalmers, you know, what did you see? When did you see it? And how much? In other words, what percentage of your corpses are you seeing these phenomena? So the embalmers are not qualified to answer the questions like why or how these clots are forming, but they can answer the questions. They can tell you what they're seeing, right, when they saw it, and how much. So I developed the questions, gave them to Laura. She put them into SurveyMonkey, and the next thing I had to figure out is how to distribute the survey. I wanted to get as wide a distribution as possible.

So I used a top-down approach by sending it to 50 national, regional, and state funeral director associations around the world. Each of those with hundreds of member funeral directors and embalmers under those organizations. I also then used a bottom up approach. I actually looked up the email addresses for over 1,700 funeral homes around the world, and I sent the survey to them directly to have their embalmers take. So using this two prong approach, I was hoping to maximize my number of responses. So in the first survey, we got 179 responses to that first survey. Of those, 119 of the embalmers responding were seeing these strange white fibrous

clots. Almost exactly 66%, two-thirds of the embalmers responding to that first survey said they were seeing these white fibrous clots. The next important question we ask them is what years did you see them? And I had a question that actually had one of five answers and I asked them, you know, what years plural did you see them? Because I wanted them to mark every year that they were seeing the clots. I had 2018 and 2019 on there as control years, not expecting to have anybody answer that because I believe these are a new phenomenon I also had 2020 on there because it was a year we had COVID but no vaccines yet and then I had 2021 and 2022 that time because those are the two years you know up until the time I ran my first survey

which are obviously years that we had both COVID and the vaccines what was interesting we did get a couple of answers, a few responses from a moment saying they were seeing these in 2018 and 2019. I was expecting to get no answers there. And I think when I went back and looked through those answers that came in, those responses, Jan, I saw that a lot of them, they only responded or they did the entire survey within like less than a minute. I think they may have hurried through the survey. They may have misunderstood the question. It's possible they may have missed my instructions.

My instructions to the survey said, make sure you distinguish between these white fibrous clots and what embalmers have been seeing for a long time, which are chicken fat clots. They're much smaller, they're yellowish in color, and they tear very easily. Much different than these long, large, white fibrous clots. They're much smaller, they're yellowish in color, and they tear very easily. Much different than these long, large, white fibrous clots that are rubbery, elastic, and tough. So I suspect that some of the embalmers that responded to the years 2018 and 2019

may have hurried through the survey or mistaken the white fibrous clots for chicken fat clots. What was interesting, there were about 44 embalmers that said they saw these white fibrous clots in the year 2020, which is the year that we had COVID, but no vaccines yet. So that leads me to a possible conclusion that the COVID virus itself can be partly responsible for the formation of these. Because the COVID virus has a spike protein on its surface, and that spike protein can lead to the formation of what's called amyloid proteins, A-M-Y-L-O-I-D, which are basically, it's a fancy term

for a misshaped or misfolded protein that then we believe can build up to the point where it causes a heart attack or a stroke. But many more of the embalmers in that first survey said they started seeing the clots in the year 2021 and then it continued into 2022. The data is leading me to believe that the spike protein is the problem, whether it comes from the virus or it comes from the vaccine. But like I said, the embalmers, it looks like many more of the embalmers saw it with the vaccine or the years the vaccines came out.

I have to be careful here, right, because correlation is not necessarily causation. The bottom line message is, you know, you went out to try to establish that is this real or not? It's pretty simple. Yes. And so what prompted you to do the second survey? Well, I wanted to see what the embalmers were seeing in 2023. By the way, the next question that was still from that first survey that we probably need to talk about is that the embalmers were seeing these in an average of about 30% of their corpses.

So this was not a rare phenomenon. They were seeing these white fibrous clots in a high percentage of their corpses. So that's the three main conclusions of the first survey, that the embalmers are seeing these white fibrous clots, they are indeed seeing them, two-thirds of the embalmers. For most embalmers, the main consensus was they started in 2021, although we saw some that saw them in 2020. But then the other conclusion is that they were seeing them in up to an average of 30% of their corpses, while some of the embalmers seeing them in up to 50% of their corpses. Looking at your data, there's, frankly, lots of questions I had, right? Absolutely. Which aren't easy to answer without having something a bit larger.

And this is important, too. These are anonymous surveys, right? That's right. This is something that we found when we were basically following up with these 1,700, right? This is something that we found when we were basically following up with these 1700, right? They were a lot less, what's the word, enthusiastic perhaps. Well, and a few of course said these are conspiracy theories, don't talk to us anymore, right? But in anonymous circumstances, I mean that's interesting, right? Yeah, we turned off the IP tracking feature in SurveyMonkey to try to make the embalmers as comfortable as possible. So our first question

of both of the surveys was, what state are you from? Or in Canada, what province are you from, for example? But that's as far as we went, because we wanted them to feel comfortable that they're, hey, we're not going to track them back to your computer and identify who you are. So that was important, yeah, that we did that. One of the things that led me to do the second survey on is the lack of contact that I got by the FDA after I completed the first survey. Because when I had the results of the first survey done, I immediately sent the results of all my Survey Monkey files and the data I collected, a PowerPoint presentation that I had made up to the FDA. They had a meeting of

their vaccine and related biological products advisory committee on the 26th of January of 2023. And I actually asked to speak at that meeting. They had an hour set aside for oral presentations and they gave 20 speakers three minutes a piece to talk. So I prepared a real nice, short three-minute speech with the three main key results of my survey. And unfortunately, a lottery ensued, I was not selected as one of the speakers. But I did submit all of my information in a written format. And I got a tracking number from the FDA. But Jan throughout the entire year, the FDA nor the CDC ever contacted me not once through the entire year. And that told me that I think I need to do this again because they're ignoring me, all right?

So I said, we need to keep getting data because if they're not doing it, I'm the only person in the world that's collecting this information and trying to quantify this because without the surveys, all you have is anecdotal information from just a dozen or so embalmers. It's also, it's difficult because these do seem like, for a survey type situation, pretty low sample size, right?

I'm sure you would agree. Yeah. I was hoping by sending out to 1,700 fewer homes and then the 50 associations, each with hundreds of members, in total that probably could have reached 3, thousand to five thousand embalmers the fact that it only reached and and talk about our second survey now i got 269 embalmers to respond to the second survey which is good that's better than the 179 the first substantial increase from the first round you know i would have loved to have you know at least 500 or so or i would love to have like 3 000 would have been great right because the more data you have the more confidence you have in the results i know that as a data analyst

but i i still believe that even the first survey of 179 and certainly the second survey of 269 responses is enough to say houston we have a problem because like you said i think what you've been going at with some of your questions is what is is your real goal, Tom? My real goal is to get the CDC and the FDA to look at this for themselves. I'm a retired Air Force guy. I shouldn't have to do this. I'm doing their job for them, Jan. They should be out there doing this work, right? They should be looking at the potential link between the COVID-19 vaccines

and this unusual clotting, these white fibrous clots, and another phenomenon we're going to talk about in a second called microclotting. You know, when you see certain things which are troubling, new, different, right? There's certainly been all sorts of adverse events that have been documented in the VAERS system, quite a number. And then there's this. This is also a kind of a signal, I would argue. Absolutely. That deserves some sort of follow-up. And it's an interesting one too, because unlike myocarditis or tinnitus or some of these other things, this is a side effect you can see. And John Campbell, he's looked at through five or six of his medical books. He says, Tom, I can't find any pictures of these. All I can see is grape jelly clots and chicken

fat clots. You keep holding up the vial of of these where did you get that this was supplied by a richard herschman you know richard's a trade embalmer and he uh will embalm hundreds of bodies a year he contracts what does that mean a trade embalmer trade embalmers don't uh don't work for one particular funeral home they actually contract out with i think richard works for almost a dozen different funeral homes i see so so they basically do they they work more. They work more. Right. So he sees more bodies. Yeah, absolutely. And he's actually sent samples of these all over the world to our good friend, Dr. Ryan Cole. Ryan has looked at these under the microscope and he's determined that these white fibrous

clots are made of basically fibrin. We have a fibrinogen in our system in the liquid form that then when there's damage done to the vascular system, converts from a liquid into solid fibrin, and it's white in color. Ryan said they also contain platelets as well, and then this strange amyloid or amyloid-like material. And there's a few theories for how that's being formed. One of them comes

from a paper that came out of the University of Cambridge a few months ago. I think it was talked about at the conference we were at today. It's called frame shifting. It's where our ribosomes may be misreading the modified RNA code from the vaccine about one-tenth of the time. And instead of producing the proper spike protein, which is supposed to, is producing what's called an aberrant or nonsense protein. And the late Arne Burckhardt from Germany had some of this material and looked at it. And I believe he found 139 different proteins in the sample he looked at. So that would tend to support the aberrant or nonsense protein theory of ribosomes accidentally producing the incorrect proteins of different lengths about 10% of the time. Because what it's doing is it's skipping the nucleotides on the code once in a while.

And then it causes you to produce the incorrect amino acid, which then in turn produces the incorrect protein. Yeah, you're referring to this, frankly, paper in Nature magazine that talked about this. And I think it was 8% of the cases. They showed that 8% of the time. The thing is, this wasn't in vivo, this was an embodied. This is another thing that needs to be actually explored. Like what is actually happening in people, right? Whether or not it's actually eight percent or what percent is it that this these kind of unknown proteins. Yes, that's just one of the theories. And so Richard's been good enough to collect samples and send them to laboratories all over the world where scientists are

trying to work on this very issue of how or why the clots are forming. That had nothing to do with my survey though, the survey was just, hey, what do you see and when did you see it and how much are you seeing? Sure, well, so tell me, so what did you do? You actually kind of upgraded a little bit in version two, you got a bit more data, so tell me about that. We asked the embalmers again this year,

are you seeing the white fibrous clots? And of the 269 embalmers that responded to the survey, 197 of them, 73% this time said they were seeing them in the year 2023. So it's about the same, last year it was 66%, now it's 73%. So it's still about seven out of every 10 seeing them. We asked them, and what percentage of your corpses are you seeing them this year? And this year, the average was about 20% of the corpses, which is interesting

because that's down from 30% last year. But you might expect that as you get further and further away from people taking their last COVID-19 vaccines, if the vaccines are what's causing these. Because 80% of American adults over the age of 18, according to the CDC, took their last jabs way back in 2021. Only 20% of Americans took the BA4, BA5 bivalent Omicron booster in the fall of 2022. And then this last fall, less than 15% of Americans took the XBB1.5 booster that came out the fall of 2023. So as you get further and further away from your last jabs, you might expect the percentage of these in your systems to go down if the vaccine is the cause.

That's what the embalmer saw, a decrease from 30% last year to a 20% average this year. Still, though, there were a lot of embalmers that were seeing them and up to 50% of their corpses. So again, like I said, this is a prevalent issue. This is not a rare phenomenon these things are prevalent why do you think uh more responded this time i have an interesting story about that um i started this year's survey on the 8th of december

and i ran until the 8th of january i always run it a month and i start off sending an email to the entire world on the first day then about two weeks into I start off sending an email to the entire world on the first day. Then about two weeks into it, I send a second email to the world saying, hey, there's still time to take the survey. The world meaning the 1,700. The 1,700 funeral homes and the 50 associations. Okay, right. And then I'll send one about a week before the survey closes. So I give them three chances, reminders, hey, survey's still open, you know, still time to take it. Well, after I sent my first email out, I checked my Survey Monkey collectors five days later from on the 13th of

December. I only had about 14 responses in my Survey Monkey collectors. I said, oh, this is terrible. I need to get more responses than this. So, I had a list made up of all the 30 U.S. state funeral director associations I had sent both surveys to I said by the way I sent the surveys to the same group last year than I did this year because I wanted to have a consistency that way as well so I call up the 30 U.S. state funeral director associations and I talked to either their president or their secretary or somebody else in their office I said hey could you please forward that email that I sent you last week to all your embalmers so they can

take this survey well God bless the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association Jan they did exactly as I asked and I know that because the next day I got up and checked my Survey Monkey collectors I had 93 responses from embalmers and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania. I then got up the next day and I had 32 more responses from embalmers and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania. So in two days, Jan, I got 125 responses from embalmers in just a single US state and that told me two things. It told me, first of all, that embalmers want to tell you what they're seeing in the embalming room if they feel like they have

the permission of their funeral director boss or their state funeral director association. But remember, I also sent that email to 29 other U.S. state funeral director associations. What do you think they did with my email? They didn't even forward it down to their funeral directors or their active embalmers. So they probably never saw this survey to take in the first place. And I have two reasons why I think that might be happening. One is that a lot of these funeral director association presidents, they're funeral directors themselves.

They usually elect one of their own as the president of their association. Well would you want to participate in a survey that might show a link between the COVID-19 vaccines and these white fibrous clots and these other issues like micro clotting if you had mandated all your employees of your funeral home, including your embalmer, take the COVID-19 vaccine? If somebody gets injured in your funeral home, one of your employees, you might be setting yourself up for a lawsuit. The other reason, as we mentioned earlier, 80% of Americans took at least the first two jabs back in 2021. So there might be some personal cognitive dissonance on the part of these funeral director association presidents and funeral directors not to want to

know the answer to the survey. These types of issues are not to be discussed. Correct. Yeah. So I mean, everybody knows that. Yeah. And you're right. The embalmers, they've seen doctors get their licenses pulled, their board certifications taken away. Yeah. And the embalming business has always been a private business, the funeral business, right? You don't talk about the dead. You keep things quiet, right? So there is that going on as well, right? There's a sanctity to the embalming room. Well, and tell me a bit about the microclotting. I recently had Dr. Jordan Vaughn on the show, sort of an expert at treating microclotting in people who are experiencing that. It's kind of both long COVID and injury and symptoms relatively common on that side of things. So

what did you find with respect to this microclotting? Yeah, and I'm familiar with Jordan Vaughn's work, and God bless him for doing what he's doing. This year, the involvement mentioned to me, hey, you need to ask about this microclotting issue. And they don't call it that. To them, it looks what they call like coffee grounds. They call it coffee grounds or dirty blood. And the drainage coming off the corpses, they're trying to get the formaldehyde in. it looks what they call like coffee grounds. They call it coffee grounds or dirty blood. In the drainage coming off the corpses, they're trying to get the formaldehyde in. They see what it looks like, coffee grounds in the blood. So we asked them, did you see this phenomenon in 2023?

And of the 269 embalmers that responded to the survey, 212 of them saw this phenomenon. So that's 79%, almost eight out of 10. So the next natural question is, okay, well, in what percentage of your corpses are you seeing this? Well, the average was 25%, with some of the embalmers seeing this microclotting and up to 50% or more of their corpses. So again, this is not a rare phenomenon. And this is something, embalmers in the past have seen this, Jan. Well, that's my next question. They have seen, but particularly they mentioned to me in like patients that had heavy chemotherapy, but definitely like less than 5% of their corpses.

So we've had at least a quintupling from less than 5% of corpses to 25% of corpses having this micro clotting issue. As you know, this can be just as dangerous as these large white fibrous clots because micro clotting occurs at the capillary level and it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs and then they carry in that oxygen into all your major organs of the body you know including your brain your eyes you have very small capillaries in your eyes. The results I've gotten is saying I'm not happy to report them they're disturbing. Some of the other issues that we've looked at this year is an increase in infant deaths.

And the good news here, Jan, is 80% of the embalmers that responded to this year's survey said they did not see an increase in infant deaths in the year 2023 compared to the years prior to COVID. Again, I didn't state the question that way. I said in the survey, I said in the years 2019 or prior, because I never mentioned the words COVID or vaccine in the questions. Some of the embalmers are actually explaining that to a certain extent. They're saying that there seems to be a lot more cremations of infants these days. So if there are more cremations, and obviously if there's any evidence

of anything wrong with the child, that evidence is being destroyed through cremation. And then some of the embalmers have also told me the hospitals are now more prone to ask the couple, hey, would you like us to dispose of the remains for you at the hospital, as opposed. So that seems to be happening more as well. So the boulders may not be seeing as many infants as they used to. But of the ones that did, the next question we asked, what increase did you see in infant deaths in 2023 compared to 2019 and prior? And the average answer for those that were seeing that phenomenon was about 25%.

They were seeing a 25% increase in infant deaths in the year 2023. And we know that the spike protein from the vaccine is getting through mother's breast milk to the child. There's been papers out on that. We also recently, a paper came out saying that the spike protein from the vaccine has been found in the placentas,

the liver placentas of women after they have the child. The last question we had on this year's survey dealt with age stratification. We did not get a chance to ask about that last year. So we asked the embalmers, and this one we allowed them to answer in all age groups. They could mark multiple answers on this one. We said, have you seen an increase

in all different types of clots, whether they're grape jelly, white fibrous, or this micro clotting in any of these particular age groups? And we had it set up like by 0 to 5, 5 to 20, you know, yeah, 15-year periods, basically. And unfortunately, the embalmers were seeing an increase in all age groups the largest responses were for the older age groups I think the 66 to 80 year old uh category was the one that had the largest number of responses there was a fairly uh large number of embalmers I believe it was 89 embalmers that said they were seeing an increase in the 36 to 50 year old category

and that disturbs me because these are people you usually don't associate with having heart attacks or stroke at that age usually that doesn't start happening until you're in your late 50s early 60s at the earliest and what's interesting about that is it tends to dovetail very closely with the work that edward dowd's doing you know he's been taking a look at the insurance death and disability data, and he saw an explosion in death and disability in this 36 to 50 year old age group starting in the third quarter of 2021, which just happens to be after the vaccines were mandated on a large portion of the population in the United States. So the embalmer data that I've gotten seems to be dovetailing very closely with the information that's being collected via the insurance death and disability data by Edward Dowd.

What do you think about, how do you know that these surveys were filled out by the right people? I mean, I send it to funeral homes, and I send it to state funeral director associations or national ones as well. Unfortunately, the lack of response I've gotten by the FDA and the CDC leads me to believe that those agencies are captured. Like I said, they should be doing this job.

They should be out there surveying all the funeral homes and the embalmers around the world and trying to find out, is this a COVID problem? Is this a COVID vaccine problem? What's causing these things? Because you can't deny they don't exist because here they are. It strikes me that it would be very valuable to have other data sets with other information to kind of map onto what you've found. I know some other gentlemen have been asking for vaccination records. Steve Kearse has been asking for them, some of the people that work with Steve Kearse.

And none of the state's health agencies seem to want to give that kind of information out to the general public. And they always claim privacy reasons why they don't want to release the vaccination records of people if they're even deceased, which is kind of strange because once you're dead, I'm not sure why you're trying to protect privacy. But it would be nice for me to have the vaccination records of all the people where the white fibrous cloths were showing up. Embalmers usually do not get a chance to talk to the families of the deceased, but there are some embalmers who are also the funeral directors themselves, like the vice president of the Ohio Embalmers Association that I mentioned earlier one of the women that was in the died suddenly film

she's in that unique position she's the funeral director and she's also the embalmer so whenever she finds the white fibrous clots she will ask the family she says, did your loved one happen to take the COVID-19 vaccine? And she says 100% of the time, Jan, without fail, the answer is yes. I know that's anecdotal, but that's an operational hypothesis, right? That's something we can start from and move from there. It's kind of shocking. What you've found raises a ton of questions that one would hope would lead to a number of studies, formal studies, that could kind of tease apart some of the answers to these questions in a formal way with statistical significance and so forth. I totally agree with you. And I would love to see the FDA and CDC go out and do their own survey of embalmers and funeral homes around the world. And if they come

up with statistics that are totally different than mine, so be it. I think they'll come up with something very similar to what I've come up with because I've run the survey as unbiasedly as I could. And I kept every answer. What was interesting is at the end of the survey, we, at both surveys, we had an optional comments box that the embalmers could write any more information about what they're seeing in the embalming room if they wish to. They didn't have to. But even though I never mentioned the words COVID or COVID vaccine anywhere in the survey, many of the embalmers in their comments either implicated the vaccines as the cause of these white fibers clots, or they staunchly defended the vaccines

as not causing these white fibrous clots. So the embalmers really had, they were very opinionated. So fascinating. A final thought as we finish? I think this is a serious issue because if, and I say if the vaccines are causing these white fibrous clots, the success of micro clotting we're seeing, other side effects like myocarditis, nerve damage, miscarriages, turbo cancers, then, I mean, Big Pharma is ready to come out next year with more shots for us. They've got an mRNA based shot using the lipid nanoparticle

technology for the delivery system for the RSV virus, for the shingles. They want to do the flu shot with that. Moderna has 40 of these mRNA based vaccines in the pipeline to come out over the next several years that they want to pump into not just hundreds of millions of arms but billions of arms with a bee around the planet. I'm calling for a moratorium. I think that we should stop injections immediately until Big Pharma can prove that these things really are safe because the information that I've gathered in this survey I think puts that greatly into question. There's a significant number of medical professionals and experts who are calling for the same. It's not an unusual request at the moment. Well, Thomas Haviland, it's such a pleasure to have had you on.

Thanks, Jan. I really appreciate it. Thank you all for joining Thomas Haviland and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I'm your host, Jan Jekielek.